📕┇lore

[supple solar]

That’s what the achievement is but I think he just never died

[wet ibex]

that seems like scotty propaganda

[clever sable]

I mean, they are basically an NFT marketplace version of fast fashion. Possibly more eco-friendly, but still exploiting vanity or emotional insecurity.

In-lore? It's a game show, in the future where everybody lives in VR full-time. Specifically, it's the world's most popular e-sport/gameshow. Sort of a hybrid between the concepts of "old media" and "new media", it's lowest common denominator television for the metaverse. Hence the sponsors and stuff. But hey, for mass market reality TV level bs, it's actually fun to play. I'd imagine in-universe there are more contestants than fans, or that the world is "secretly" a dystopian hypercapitalist cyberpunk hellhole and the unwashed masses wish they could be contestants but they're too poor... Now I'm sad about implications again 😦

[wet ibex]

in all honesty the 3 sponsors this season all kinda evil

actually ALL the sponsors are evil if you think about it

[vale yew]

are you copy pasting in every channel

[wicked monolith]

I think we will see real life sponsorship in the game. Like coca cola skins or Pepsi events. And the finals it's just a way to show these real life brands a way to capitalize even further gaming. So the whole game and commenting becomes a huge add.

[vapid portal]

CNS is actually tring to save us fron june and scott, witch are scamers or something like that. It could be a cool plot twist. And have different comentators for a season

[scenic nebula]

I want Scotty & June to be wholesome though 😫

[vapid portal]

yeah, but some cinematics and voicelines really got me thinking they are hiidng something...

[vapid portal]

thats waht im saing

we need a the finals story mode

[vapid portal]

i mean, am i the only one that gets the bad vibes in sponsore adds?

bro really went to promo

nevermind

[clever cloak]

Sparka Digital Entertainment, Inc.

[vapid portal]

ok EGGBOY

[trail wren]

*Sparks

[clever cloak]

oh lol

[trail wren]

#easter-eggs message

[clever cloak]

read it wrong, but anyway
new company for the lore lol

[empty timber]

what with the year 2102

[trail wren]

another case of "we don't know"

[empty timber]

what if it's the current year of the finals right now

[river rampart]

All of them are just subsidiaries of MultiCo so yeah

[trail wren]

don't think so

[empty timber]

yeah "we don't know"

[sturdy crag]

This seems pretty accurate

[trail wren]

#📂┇the-finals-wiki message

[sturdy crag]

Ok I'm using Google to put that in to imperial

Light: basically 5'3"
Medium: close to 6"1'
Heavy: a little over 6'10 1/2"

[gilded cloud]

I thought medium was an average height of 5'9

[sturdy crag]

This is just what it converted to

[warm pivot]

wow didn't imagine those numbers

[rose kelp]

Not at all

[tranquil shadow]

Nah,
Light: 4'10
Medium: 5'11
Heavy: 7'00

[lyric pier]

Light 4'7

[fast kindle]

Light: 2'4
Medium: 4'7
Heavy: 9'5

[vapid portal]

Literally, the difference between heavy and light is like a gym bro bulking vs a 6 year old

[teal blaze]

The six year old does have an uzi and can go invisible, to its credit

[vapid portal]

yaeh, dont forget about his spiderman skills

[lusty flame]

It's a shame that the developers are no longer interested in the game, they don't listen to the community and they don't fix the countless bugs that the game has, it's noticeable that they are abandoning it and prioritizing the development of Arc Riders which will not be a game that will be very successful since it looks very generic and is not meant to be played for a long time like The Finals is.

[low stratus]

Don't worry buddy, Holtows got insurance for that

[robust sleet]

Do we think that Dissun actually has a dyson sphere, or a dyson swarm and/or giant solar arrays

[long urchin]

Dyson sphere would take multiple generations to complete, well over 100 years, so I doubt it. Probably a solar array

[gentle bronze]

Is there a lore reason that the iseult commercial was French

[serene otter]

france is the birthplace of civnat thinking, it's definitely the best language for the kind of message ISEULT is pushing

[gentle bronze]

What is civnat if you don’t mind expanding?

[low stratus]

It's probably just word play implying that they are a reliable energy company.

[serene otter]

like anybody can be french, "nationality" not being tied to blood or history

[gentle bronze]

Ohhhh that makes sense, you’re the best

[sour turtle]

Is this part of finals lore

[oak oracle]

Theory: What if the finals wasn't about the cash, fans or sponsors.... but the friends we made along the way?

[sharp gorge]

Wait I thought French people didnt exist?

[fast kindle]

wait have we heard anything else about 'Merciless Marcel'?

[nocturne turtle]

No, but Rob teased that S5 might have more lore about/related to him

[fast kindle]

ah ok

[umbral pollen]

Amen

[round mirage]

ew

fench

[solid wedge]

How about we delete the light?

Everyone knows people under 5,4 Don't exist

[robust sleet]

infants

[solid wedge]

What the fuck are those?

Holtow doesn't have insurance for those, therefore doesn't exist.

[daring jay]

Bro...

What's a french

[fast kindle]

news just in: everything except for the sun and aliens does NOT exist

[uneven copper]

Sounds like Bungie advertising Destiny

[solid wedge]

The HOLTOW way

[ember citrus]

Yep

[fiery adder]

'

[indigo flare]

Whats the lore behind June being kicked out of her friends inner circle?

[empty timber]

June what again?

[boreal vapor]

June has a line that goes “Yeah, that stings like being cut out of your friends’ inner circle.” Supposed to be a reference to the Socialites team, but maybe there are some lore implications

[empty timber]

never heard of that

is it when the team wipes?

[boreal vapor]

Yes

[indigo flare]

Its far too specific for it not have have lore

[twilit tinsel]

Wait I once met a person named June does that count as lore?

[fiery adder]

what commercial?

[toxic sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XD7OFsFltI&ab_channel=THEFINALSSKINSHOWCASE

[final willow]

ok sso uh

i got a sponsorship from holtow

however i didnt read the contract

what did it say?

[final willow]

Added to the wiki.

[nocturne turtle]

You're not allowed to question the effectiveness of the sun insurance. #📕┇lore message

[rare solar]

its like Super Earth from Helldivers 2.
Free your mind of Undemocratic thoughts... or Face the Wall.

[woven heath]

how do we get multibucks?

[cyan heron]

Molar

[final willow]

one of the guns in the emerald skin reveal has "season 5 contestant" on it. is this a joke or lore?

[trail wren]

not everything is lore related. sounds like an oversight tbh

[blissful monolith]

im not so sure either very intresting

[final willow]

the only thing wrong with this theory is that holtow is an insurance company, and home depot is a hardware store.

[ornate hearth]

is iseult just supposed to be the general concept of malls?

[fossil shadow]

Fast Fashion / Clothing

[fast kindle]

what does enigmo actually do

[serene otter]

seems like the endgame of a social media company

[fast kindle]

ah ok ty

[serene otter]

https://xcancel.com/UNICEF/status/494903555082690561 some real UNATCO shit right there

[wet ibex]

is this anything relevant on the lvl 2 data reshaper reward?

[wise plaza]

update？？？

[spring gate]

hell no

i love my shorty guy

[dreamy mirage]

Hiiii

[indigo flare]

yay 🎉

[unique pasture]

yo

[empty timber]

ivada lore?

[trail wren]

crumbs, but yeah

[hushed hemlock]

new cosmetics has seoul map blurred out

[trail wren]

Seoul doesn’t have a theatre. this is most likely a hint for S5 or above. check #easter-eggs

[hushed hemlock]

unless its a teaster for S5 map, the thing has too wide of characters to be seoul, unless im overthinking it

ahh

[nimble kelp]

CNS collage?

[pallid rover]

Coming here after reading the game main chat is like going from a theatre of war to a paradisiac tropical island

[verbal pagoda]

seems like there's a connection between Ivada and the 401st Kilowatt brands. this is from the Synthronium Forge set

also i'm not sure if "Synthronium" is an actual in-universe metal in the meatspace or just a fictional material for the skinline

the Qm. Co. at the end might mean Quantum Company. that's a stretch tho #easter-eggs message

[agile scarab]

yeah

[nocturne turtle]

I think there's a connection between every brand that has that X in a box

[empty timber]

look at the gun

[agile scarab]

nice

[sturdy crag]

With the music gone, I just noticed you can hear the crowd and announcer

In the menu

[feral wind]

Is there a reason the wiki doesn't have the sponser-related sites like https://www.ospuze.com/?
Or am I just missing where they are?

[trail wren]

just hasn’t been added that’s all

[ripe stratus]

theres lore in the finals???

[obsidian thunder]

Nope this is all in your head

[long urchin]

What if the actual map locations had secret Easter eggs related to this 0-0

[solid wedge]

i really think it's just a kick to the socialites for being wipes, like saying " sorry you're so garbage "

[solid wedge]

i like to think of them as Tencent, a company that owns a whole lot of online media games, movies, streaming apps, mobile companies, and maybe even a co-owner of THE FINALS.

[fast kindle]

ah

[boreal vapor]

They’re an ISP I think

[sturdy crag]

They broadcast the finals im pretty sure

[meager nebula]

Hey random question, what's the meatspace supposed to be like?

[sinful forge]

Besides it being irl, we dint have much information although it can be speculated that it's not in the best shape because everyone spends their time in vr

Also for other reasons (more Easter egg based) that RockhoundBlack explains well in one of his beyond the walls videos

[sour turtle]

Is there actual lore

[shell lily]

brazil.theatre????

[thorn hedge]

i am curious as well.

[sour turtle]

Fr

[lethal igloo]

Yes

[serene otter]

Basel
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lGz2RA9zWlQ

[red spade]

Has anyone seen this like outline thing on the jump pad in sys horizon? I noticed it earlier today when I got on

It doesn’t stay forever it was there for a moment and then it disappeared and the smoke that was there also stopped emitting

[weak sage]

um what

[red spade]

You don’t see the body outline inside the pad?

[red spade]

look, there’s a body hidden in the pad, it faded away after I took this screenshot

[empty timber]

known bug

[tardy spoke]

it's not a bug

they're trying to escape by letting their virtual bodies perish..

[summer cradle]

Nice

[urban pilot]

The hologram of this corpse is an old death animation.
Embark has chosen to make a coin explosion for the death animation instead of this

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1g1kcgx/hologram_dead_body/

[empty timber]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[undone verge]

hey

cute

I should be ranked soon

[raven leaf]

cool...?

[icy coyote]

Wait how do I get the isuel t role

That's what I'm in

[raven leaf]

roles

[stuck belfry]

id:customize

[icy coyote]

Ok

Thanks

[tardy spoke]

Holy shit I don’t mean to cause a huge scene on this but the Mayan season 5 theme is SO COOL! GUATEMALTECO REPRESENTATION LETS GOOOO

Or Aztec!! I don’t know which one. I’m just happy a game is living out ancient Central America 🙏

[peak prism]

Hope it's more cns shenanigans

[round sluice]

So how do we go from sponsors to aztec

When s3 happened it made sense because of CNS and arena rebooting but like now we have all these sponsors and go "fuck it Maya time"

oh yeah is trentila a new sponsor

[trail wren]

it’s a cosmetic and we have no other info. i think it’s way too early to jump into conclusions regarding the lore

[round sluice]

ok yeah true

[gilded cliff]

Tacticool Aztec is a choice

A pretty good one, I'd say. I like it a lot

[kindred hatch]

Bro the Aztec cover art for season five makes me think this true

[kindred hatch]

Still it’s also cover art, and potentially the main battlepass skin, so I’d say it be at least a little significant, plus you can almost make out brazil on the back of the rock and T shirt sooo…

[trail wren]

what i mean is we don’t know the lore behind it, which is what they were asking about

not saying it’s not possible, just that we still have to see how they tie it to the lore like they did with S3 (AI reboot sending us to feudal Kyoto)

[rough flare]

I think it says brazil too

All caps

[pallid rover]

Rio 2025

[distant island]

oh god, the numbers are still here (on the teaser). WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS

[round sluice]

Does anyone have the wip version of the season 5 keyart? just wanna see how it looks like

[weary cedar]

Mexico city is know as the city of Theatres

[undone snow]

Then that could be a possible location because the text on the back of the new death by rhodent shirt appears to say theatre on it as part of an upcoming map with the rest blurred out.

Also I think it's possible that while season 5 won't be hijacked by CNS, we'll start to see signs of their reemergence approaching season 6

[gentle bronze]

hopefully...

[ashen patio]

Can't wait to hear the jungle music and explore the mysterious map! Temple ruins, perhaps? The finals hold secrets... 👀

[hushed hemlock]

any sponsor identificatin

[trail wren]

Trentila

we've known about their icon since the Closed Alpha

[hushed hemlock]

never even seen them

[teal blaze]

could dissun iseul-t and vaiiya be next season's sponsors i wonder

[raven leaf]

when cns comeback

[hybrid sonnet]

I was curious if anyone's figured out what's up with the numbers on the memo mayhem skin, it seems to be a phone number and a string of other numbers, like a code?

[peak prism]

when they come out with a new game mode

[raven leaf]

lmao perfect image

[warm kettle]

I've been saying a grifball type game would RULE

[dark jay]

Yo, the new image has Dissun ISeult Vaiiya as the 3 sponsors, what happened to holtow and engimo?

[empty timber]

it could be battlepass sponsor

[blissful ridge]

What is a new shotgun on leaked picture?

[empty timber]

three barrel shotgun for medium

idk the name you can search it up

[blissful ridge]

Ill tell u more
Ivada, dxz, and x7//av they all in 90% work together and got connections

[empty timber]

yeah ivada do the engineering for other brand

[grizzled berry]

im so hyped for vaiiya

definently im gonna chose it as my sponsor

[rare solar]

sad that most of these barely have any cosmetics in game

[fast kindle]

same

[dreamy mirage]

hey you!

[dusk hedge]

They’re probably my favorite company

Them and cns but they ain’t never gonna get to sponsor the games

[nocturne turtle]

They could just hack them and insert themselves as sponsor

[dusk hedge]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking, but do they want to bring attention to themselves?

The whole point of a sponsor is to bring attention to a company through the means of a celebrity/event

[nocturne turtle]

I think so, at least they aren't shy of attention. They were really active in S2 and they've also hidden multiple messages on Kyoto.

They could also not like one of the sponsors and insert themselves just to remove that one from the sponsor list

[boreal vapor]

Same here

[dusk hedge]

But they aren’t really like “hey, look at us, we’re hacking your gameshow, hahah” right?

[dusk hedge]

That could have interesting lore implications

Are there companies that are so evil that even cns doesn’t want them to advertise?

[nocturne turtle]

I'm not sure... most of the companies feel pretty evil. I guess we'll only know when CNS leaks something about a company

[blazing lotus]

They created a whole new gamemode, map, and Ariad exists in the battlepass, they definitely wanted to be known

[sudden cape]

"Chiappa Triple Threat"

A triple barrel shotgun that behaves like the double barrel, but with 3 barrels + 3 separate shots instead of 2

[tranquil shadow]

I'm so excited, season 5 is going to be so peak

[sudden cape]

This game is peak

[tranquil shadow]

It is in fact, peak modern fps
Let's pray that it stays that way
EMBARK! KEEP BEING PERFECT, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

The world is healing
Hopefully one day AAA game studios will be nothing more than a memory
(EA, Nintendo, blizzard) Cough cough

[grizzled berry]

?

[meager nebula]

Scotty and June are sponsors? How's that supposed to work?

[fast kindle]

says who?

[neat quest]

Hi, found some new stuff on the cover art for the Iseul-T single:

• On the side we have "Sparks Digital Entertainment", which is fictive company from the finals universe
• And also Multi Co.
• Also the current year in game which is 2102

Can't upload images so y'all need to go check, it's written in small on the right corner of the cover art!

[white mesa]

i hope they do something goofy with it like making one of the barrels fire slugs while the others fire buckshot

[light flume]

Or just an option to shoot 3 at once for just a stupid hail Mary XD

[sudden cape]

Most likely gonna all be buckshot

[white mesa]

agreed, but i can dream

[sturdy crag]

why do scotty and june have their own logo

[sturdy crag]

hope its for medium

[sudden cape]

It is

It'll allow for all 3 classes to have 2 different shotguns

[sturdy crag]

lets go

[crisp dome]

The pirate skin will still be available and have those 2400 multibucks even after season end or no? Or no way to know

[empty timber]

yes still avaliable

[lunar vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/hidden-temple-gif-9053475

[round sluice]

what's up with the number 94

like why is it on every bp cosmetic

[slender gulch]

it's your personal jersey number.
it's different for everyone

[viscid sinew]

Who knows what will be in 5 season

[analog crane]

what is this channel for?

[haughty wraith]

lore

[round sluice]

ohhh that's neat

[placid night]

how is ‘meatspace’ described? I’m not asking about its actual definition, but how it’s portrayed within the game’s universe. Is it depicted as a dystopian, chaotic environment, or more like a normal, futuristic city?

[low plover]

i dont think theyve showed any actual footage of the real world

[nocturne turtle]

Yeah we don't know much about the real world

[ember copper]

is there a lore reason the casters use AI instead of actual voice actors? i originally thought it was to make them sound fake since they were supposed to be AI but theres evidence theyre supposed to be real people

[tacit copper]

I’m pretty sure Arc Raiders takes place in the same universe as The Finals so some part of the real world looks like what’s in the game

[full hound]

[Scotty Files] - Message Decryption 1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1gy965s/scotty_files_message_decryption_1/

[sinful forge]

No lore reason revealed, probably just to cut costs

[ember copper]

wasted opportunity

[rare osprey]

I am not quite sure, but couldn't you just use some of the workers of the company to make the voices?

[rare osprey]

And is it also that expensive? I dont know anything about voice actors, but shouldn't it be cheap ?

[pearl meteor]

I didn't even know they were ai until I saw something saying they were today.

[low sundial]

If I remember correctly the reason the devs gave for using Ai is actually speed. By using Ai generated voices they can produce voice lines for new game modes and events faster

[rare osprey]

Aaahhh makes sense thx!

[fringe bobcat]

finals lore

[pure gate]

anyone else hear the EAS going off at the end of the bank it academy video that released? It astarts going off at about 5:51

[stray crystal]

pretty sure that’s just the team wipe sound

[pure gate]

🤔

[pure gate]

I personnally think that it is an EAS, since you don't hear the 5 dings before the buzzer sound, and also, the buzzer/EAS sounds are regularly spaced between the shots.

EAS sound for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpWM2v_8Q1o

[floral mural]

Hello where do we post questions for discussion? I am new here

[steady wadi]

i want to be able to load the tripple barrel with sulgs and buckshot in an order of my choosing

[raven leaf]

sulg

[cold pumice]

whats this lore section about?

[serene otter]

I think the endgoal is to have maybe even live generation of commentary eventually but they don't think the tech is quite there yet

[ember copper]

weve already somewhat got that. i was being called out for having tons of coins in bank it, but as i was being called it, i made a deposit. one of the announcers interrupting the one calling me out saying "sorry, that player made a deposit". it was actually insanely cool

[raven leaf]

the finals game is a social experiment to see how pissed the playerbase will get from shitty developer descisions. thoughts?

because i think im totally onto something here

i may be a damn genius

[zealous verge]

If we get a new map with the mesoamerican theme, wonder if it'll be Tenoch or Chichen, maybe even Machu but that's not likely

[robust sleet]

Keep the toxicity in #👂┇game-feedback where everyone is complaining, and leave the peaceful channels alone

[rare osprey]

Hey guys!, I've noticed lately that more and more pixel corpses are lying on the ground in the arena after eliminations of players. Is this a bug or is it part of the lore?

[empty timber]

bug

seen lot of people posting image of this for years lol

[rare osprey]

ah okay, because lately more and more of these corpes generated in the arena and I never saw one of those in the last seasons

Thats why I thought maybe some lore wise stuff for s5

[empty timber]

yeah it was stop appearing for a while, but i see people posting this alot lately

[rare osprey]

Ah alright thanks 👍

[trim thorn]

that has to be a bug or smth cause i haven`t seen it yet in my games

[raven leaf]

just joking, mainly

[keen fossil]

[fast kindle]

theres nothing stopping them from saying its not a bug its a feature

maybe the virtual reality is messing with peoples brains and health who knows

[rare osprey]

Uhhh nice theory

Maybe, I also saw on reddit some real corpses of contestants

[fast kindle]

oh yeah i remember that

it was creepy

[mild glen]

.

[daring crystal]

Does anyone know what Ivada actually does as a company?

[modest sandal]

no

[kind path]

I would know too

[slate summit]

I think ivada makes tactical gear and military equipment.

Weren’t that also the ones who tried to stop cns so I assume they’re also security

Wait no that was vaiiya that does cybersecurity

[low sundial]

Personally I think its more likely that IVADA makes LED billboards like the ones you see in the arena, the majority of their skins have the LED dot pattern and some have LED in the names

[slate summit]

That’s possible. I’m just going off their slogan “IVADA: EQUIP. ENGAGE. EXCEL.” So I imagine something tactical or along gear

[zenith mural]

I wonder if the Finals and Arc Raiders lore will overlap

[raven leaf]

i think the finals is within arc raiders

[vernal steeple]

This has been covered a bit, including by me, but I think we probably need to wait until we know a bit more about ARC Raiders lore. Seeing as it's still in development, the lore for it could change a lot between now and launch/early access.

[mild glen]

hello

[hoary flare]

seems like digital metallurgy

[native bane]

Woah woah woah

The Finals has lore????

[haughty wraith]

really almost any game does if you think about it

but the finals got some funky stuff too its cool

[sturdy bison]

[sudden cape]

CNS is apparently the sponsor for Fortune Stadium now?

[teal blaze]

Maybe they didn't want to choose a favorite among the main three? Tho idk why it isn't OSPUZE or something given that they sponsor Horizon now..

[sudden cape]

Part of me is kinda hoping CNS is making a return especially now that they're sponsoring the new stadium

I hope this is a small teaser and not js a bug

[native bane]

Damn, I needa pay attention now lol

[sudden cape]

There's also tons of easter eggs that are next level hard to find, if you want, you can see what easter eggs have been found or check in with the current hunt going on over at #easter-eggs

[native bane]

Ahhh ok ok thank you

[sudden cape]

Anytime friend

[empty timber]

Its a bug just like last week where holtow sponsored isuelt world tour

[sudden cape]

Found this in a ranked game tho

So sad 😦

[haughty wraith]

name a game and i can probaly tell you something about it

[void depot]

Euro Truck Simulator

[haughty wraith]

almost any

thats just pure gameplay

[clever cloak]

felt like it was supposed to say "Multico" but its just my hunch or opinion lol

or embark hasnt programmed the text to include all 3 sponsors

[trail wren]

UI bug

[chilly veldt]

NICE

[hushed hemlock]

wait where do we know that

[sudden cape]

@hushed hemlock

[hushed hemlock]

oh i thought you meant S5 new not S4

[nocturne turtle]

I think it's just bug

We'll see if cns really returns in a few days (or weeks...)

[fossil shadow]

They will definitely make -a- return, maybe this is the beginning of it

[mild glen]

hello

[cold pumice]

hi papers

[gloomy marten]

Im sure cns is returning, definitely the beginning without a doubt.

[fossil shadow]

I'm sure Rob mentioned somewhere that CNS is a major story element, not a one off

[gloomy marten]

Dont really discuss finals lore but i really hope they dont show June or Scottys face. Maybe drop some info lore but thats it. Would be cool to see a thing that changes your voice to scotty/june but not sure if that would conflict with the actual annoucers lmao

Again, scotty and june should just be faceless. If they dont do that, its fine but at least wait for a long period.

[knotty fractal]

I bet they kiss when off air

[gloomy marten]

Hell naw Scotty is a loyal man with OSPUZE

[empty timber]

he wearing isuelt shoe

[gloomy marten]

Isuelt the side bitch leave him alone ok

[fossil shadow]

CNS Season that doxes Scotty or June's real identities by putting them in as playable contestant faces

[rapid venture]

CNS is the best... I wish they would sponser the Finals

[sinful forge]

I can't wait until vaiiya is our sponsor next season

Take down those cns cyberterrorists

[flint mist]

Me when iseult helped CNS 💀

[mild glen]

hello]

[gentle bronze]

didnt know the finals had lore fr

[rare osprey]

If you wanna know more about the lore, go to the wiki! Its good explained

[round beacon]

A while ago, I thought it said it was sponsored by , , and

[serene otter]

This isnt taken as seriously as it should be

[empty timber]

cuz it's a ui bug

[serene otter]

I'm talking about lore in general, oh why are we going to weeb mania land? cuz glitch, bet cartel map is gonna have the same explaination

[empty timber]

oh yeah lol it's not much on the finals lore they give us really a little piece of it

https://tenor.com/view/tiny-text-cant-see-ken-jeong-gif-5957945

[serene otter]

https://tenor.com/view/deus-ex-unatco-fact-fact-checked-true-gif-26889068

[dawn scarab]

i wonder, if embark might take a more sinister direction with i-seult, having the sponsor start culturally appropriating with their clothing, instead of hip modern clothing

would be quite an artsy way of showing how corporate tampering ruins and further homogenises cultures

i find it quite interesting how i-seult is a korean brand, yet uses french in lyrics for their advertising and music

[empty timber]

ceo is korean doesnt mean theyre korean brand

oh wait it is korean brand?

[dawn scarab]

true, but isn't seoul where the i-seult hq is located?

[empty timber]

oh yeah sorry they're korean

[dawn scarab]

regardless, i think embark have a lot of opportunities to critique a lot of current brands with their sponsors. i hope they full send with more dystopian themes

s'allright! no harm done

[nocturne turtle]

Yeah, Iseul-t has a building in Seoul, as well as YBS and Tristan. Which are probably related to Iseul-t

[dawn scarab]

ospuze, jokes aside, really does echo people's relationship with energy drinks

what, with the overconsumption and normalisation of what's literally a psychoactive drug [caffeine]

it's heavily encouraged to drink copious amounts, replacing water, even, which links back to idiocracy, and brawndo

it also screams heavily, with what embarks done with ospuze's advertising, of prime, which may or may not be intentional, but if it is, good job on the critique of that horrible drink

sorry guys, the voices came

[clever cloak]

any new teaser?

[pallid rover]

Yes new cutscenes at the start of the game

[carmine hawk]

Interesting video

[empty timber]

damn how do i watch video again

[pallid rover]

I think it will be out on YouTube shortly

[trail wren]

#easter-eggs message

[rare osprey]

Finally a lore cutscene again 😄

[regal oxide]

If anybody has a full recording or the file itself, please do post it

[trail wren]

had to compress but here it is

[zealous verge]

June sounds so depressed in that one

[paper canyon]

What is "Sponsor Showdown" ?

[kindred bluff]

Looks like some people dont like the sponsors

[native bane]

I’m hyped for it

[gentle bronze]

Probably like quick cash but each team represents a sponsor or something

[paper canyon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fallen flame]

Good point

[clever cloak]

the next event's gonna have blood spilled

literally
but a probable one

[rich orchid]

Ai generated lore

[dusty veldt]

hey quick question, I've heard them be mentioned a couple times, but who's Marcel?

[empty timber]

they are with multico marcel merciless

[lethal igloo]

I can convert the internal file to mp4 so it doesn’t have the esc to skip and build version overtop

Give me like 10m or so

[icy sleet]

It sounds like Marcel wants us all fighting amongst each other over sponsor identities. A distraction perhaps?

[trail wren]

no worries, i have that file too. not needed

[lethal igloo]

Oh okay cool

[lethal igloo]

Or maybe a commentary on how anger and division garners attention to media. He wants conflict because it brings views, even if it’s pissing off the players

[gray crane]

Maybe next last two sponsor slots for WT will be team sponsor based maybe, that’s what I’m getting

[empty timber]

nah they not gonna do that. the queue time will be 30 minutes lol

[pearl sky]

There's a column in the contracts menu called "sponsor showdown"

I can't access it though

It's greyed out

[trail wren]

it’s probably tomorrow’s WT stop

[rare osprey]

Funny enough thats already happening on reddit. (Holtow is the best sponsor)

[gentle bronze]

I hope we'll still be able to do normal circuits

I need to finish up the last Iseul-T one

[tiny wedge]

can someone explain me the new video please?

[low sundial]

I watched some of the community stream and it sounds like this is a lead in to some kind of clan/club mechanic coming next season

[tiny wedge]

who's marcel?

[low sundial]

Marcel was an analyst sent from multicorp to evaluate The Finals after the reboot at the beginning of season 3

If I remember correctly

you can still find the lore vignettes on YouTube so if you need to catch up I’d suggest watching those

Marcel is first mentioned in 3.12

[smoky arch]

Merciless Marcel

[exotic rampart]

I will blow up holtow headquarters

[zealous verge]

its fine, they're insured.

[gray crane]

Hell no

[long urchin]

I’ve converted to Holtow since Iseult betrayed me with its dogshit wt stop

[rare osprey]

Now thats some smart decision! Holtow is the best sponsor!

[rare osprey]

" We are already see groups forming " - June

Maybe we are getting clans in Season 5? Just remembered me to the community lifestream.

[sturdy crag]

Idea: "stings like being cut out of your friends' inner circle" could mean when Scotty got famous from being a good contestant, his friends stopped paying attention to him because he was acting like a big shot.

[visual zodiac]

this is the most newbie thing for me to ask but what's the in-general timeline off the game in general?

[timid hamlet]

Game is set roughly 100 years in the future inside of a virtual reality situation (similar to ready player one) where we the contestants compete for fame and riches in the worlds biggest game show

[peak prism]

anyone see anything good recently 👀

[rare osprey]

☝️

[peak prism]

could be a hint at clans or even larger teams, its ambigious

[rare osprey]

Exactly

[peak prism]

I wish for a big team battle, two teams of five to make a single team of ten and matched up another ten

[mild glen]

hello

[visual zodiac]

ah i see and that explains why you combust into piles of gold coins when you die and turn into a mini statue smash bros style

[timid hamlet]

There’s a fella on YouTube called Spear I think that did a lore video of the finals, you should check it out to get a more cohesive idea of what’s going on @visual zodiac

[visual zodiac]

oh sweet thanks

[median burrow]

I watched a video saying that almost all of the lore tied to the finals is all linked to Central Park NYC. https://youtu.be/Epr-x50rEig?feature=shared

[trail wren]

that'd be me 👋

[trail wren]

and that'd be RHB

[timid hamlet]

Lovely viewing, mate

[median burrow]

Yeah I've also watched your videos too. There really good 👍

[gilded cloud]

Have ya'll seen the new intro? Anyone record it?

[trail wren]

#📕┇lore message

[jade sand]

[upbeat plank]

[severe hound]

yes

[red charm]

sounds like hunger games

[woven sedge]

Yo how can I connect my physics teacher's iPad to mine Bitcoin for us every time he watches skibidi toilet

[unreal tinsel]

and how do we get the chinese servers in kyoto to generate bitcoin profit due to the severe lag

[gilded cloud]

Thank you!

[lapis kernel]

who the FUCK is marcel

[empty timber]

A guy from multico

[white girder]

multico?

[wet ibex]

he is a shell with shoes on

[empty timber]

the one who is the founder of thefinals

[dark jay]

Clans would be cool if they did it differently where ur Clan is a division in one of the sponsors, like you are the 14th Iseult Gang

[narrow anvil]

The server exploded, fix it quickly

[rare osprey]

Nice idea, Kind of like a army!

[fallen flame]

Nice one

[serene otter]

this is the most likely outcome

[jade sand]

[karmic spire]

Nama chan is a gentle lover

[jade sand]

🙂

[hybrid yew]

I really hope that if that does happen, I hope each sponsor will have exclusive crew gear you can both earn & purchase

[rare osprey]

Taht would be so cool

[vapid portal]

Some time ago i made a prediction the scotty and june migth be evil, but now i belive that marcel migth have something in stor. Could be cool to see that guy rlace scotty and june for a season as some king of take over of the show. and CNS being scretly a distraction made by marcel to make him look like the good guy

[sinful forge]

Vaiiyas counter-cyberterrorism squad will stop these cns agents before they get to far

[vapid portal]

well, coming from a fellow cult member such as you, i can xpect the best

[fast kindle]

vaiiya is where its at

[severe hound]

yes

[real adder]

Marcel sounds like a evil fella

[fast kindle]

he is merciless after all

[sturdy crag]

i think that there are other people in the maps besides the contestants, on seoul you can see an elevator going up (the lit up room on right building)

[sage obsidian]

There is traffic down below and the same on Monaco

Given that The Finals is in the future and that it’s a simulation, it could also mean people live and work in the simulation besides the real world

[teal blaze]

those are just details to make the map seem more alive imo, idk tho

[tight sapphire]

lore makes the game more alive idk man

[polar blade]

i love that lil guy sm

[smoky flint]

i think we, the players are the lowest levels in humanity which is used to be a player in the game and the worlds divided by two, the high levels and low levels. the high levels puts money , bets , controls the sponsors and games as opportunity for us, low levels, to get income to feed our family. as we play the game so much, the low levels have increased intelligence and strength and understand about the systems and one day the low levels will unite to take down the high levels. they will be in shock and awe because they thought they have control of us , hence, there will be a modern warfare using the highest of technology . the game simulation then is used as a weapon so soldiers like us can respawn . It takes us back to why is the game invented. is it just a mere entertainment for the high levels? or is it to find the best soldier to be used as weapons? or a system to divide power between the highs and the lows?

don't be distracted players , it might seems fun to play the game but we might be silently controlled. im afraid this message will be seen from the highs. i might get pruned like the TVA for spreading this awareness . stay low, my friends

[bright glade]

alive?

[smoky flint]

ĥ̷͝e̴͂̃l̷̀͂p̶͐̓ ̶̉͂ṁ̸̃e̸͝ they got ̵̈́̌m̵̿̿ê̷

[void wolf]

what year is the finals set in?

[empty timber]

2100 in the future

[void wolf]

ok thanks

[empty timber]

is this relate to quemby rutile?

[dark jay]

Yes. This is Rutile Rolls and the Holtow Helmet has 'cannot be worn inside rutile rolls' in its description!

[graceful creek]

Are CNS people terrorists?
Do they commit digital terror?

Oh lol, I mean terrorists as in hackers that terror the world of the finals

[trail wren]

they’re an unknown hacker group. currently under the radar but expected to return soon into the story

[graceful creek]

The UN should put them in the terrorists list

[quartz island]

New lore vid says the contestants are forming groups. Who says I can’t join CNS?
-with love

[twin oracle]

CNS sponsor next season would be amazing but we can dream 😔

[fast kindle]

vaiiya vs cns

[inland rover]

Love this take it’d be a super interesting sequel or campaign or something to have a sort of final battle where you have to work with other contestants to take down the upper class

[round beacon]

anyone know what Eno+Rino does?

[inland rover]

Meant to respond to this one

[empty timber]

no information for now. they only appear on level reward

[maiden steeple]

anyone know what it indicates? #⚡┇the-finals-chat message or Oscar is just joking lol

[ember socket]

There's a sticky note on one of the car skins that has a guy drawn on it it may be scotty

[ember socket]

Fcar skins

[cloud sable]

wasnt that basically terminal attack and still is

[fast kindle]

good point nvm

[empty timber]

where

[round beacon]

Now that I think about it, eno+rino could be a law firm, coz the name is similar to a real life law firm for exampple, Adams and Clarke

[trim wing]

who's the new sponsor volpe?

[twin oracle]

Volpe isn’t new they have been here for a while, they make the vr tech the contestants use

[trim wing]

Ohh that makes sense. They're just never mentioned or I haven't heard them mentioned ever. Ty!

[robust sleet]

Volpe was the sponsor of s1, along with holtow if I recall correctly

They haven't been mentioned a lot since then, so if you're new to the finals thats probably why you haven't heard of them

[rare osprey]

Also when I remember corretear they are the makers of the jumpads in the arenas.

[robust sleet]

Indeed, and iirc the "official" sponsor of skyway stadium

[gray granite]

so i wasnt really sure where to ask this, but i figured lore wasnt a bad place considering the context.

So what are ANY of the metrics involved in sponsor contest? By any i mean literally that. How many people are on each "team", how many points are accrued and for what, where, when? There are daily map point updates, with absolutely no context whatsoever. Am i missing info somewhere? lol

[proven ether]

id recommend just asking in the main chat, youll probably get some answers

[cloud sable]

guys hear me out

Holtow: responsible for being able to respawn people by coining them (hence the credit card-ish background)

Iseul-t: responsible for clothing and outfits and maybe skin changing like plastic surgery (hence the be anyone be everything be iseul-t slogan)

Volpe: vr tech for the finals

Engimo: responsible for the connectivity of the finals

vaiiya: anti virus(which failed miserably)

dissun: energy for the finals stage and stuff

yall do the rest

[empty timber]

hear what you just say about the thing that we already know

[cloud sable]

oh

i made all that up on my own but oh well smarter people exist (totally not jealous)

[plush token]

is there any like confirmed lore or is it still all just speculation?

[uncut bay]

Check the wiki link in the channel description!

[plush token]

thank you kindly

[light oriole]

Working at my virtua-office when a stray heavy RPG comes crashing through my window, eliminating three of my coworkers

[fiery quarry]

d

[proper night]

Who else is goung vaiiya gang next season

Hopefully they arent S5's engimo

[empty timber]

trentila for sure

[proper night]

Im pretty sure the options will be Dissun, Iseul-t, Vaiiya

[empty timber]

why iseult again boooooring

[proper night]

There is a theory that Isueul-t will be hacked by CNS, making CNS the actual sponsor

[empty timber]

that way cooler, but i still think its trentila

[trail wren]

there’s also a chance that Trentila will be in the BP just like IVADA was in S4 but not be an “official” sponsor for S5

[empty timber]

damn didnt think of that but we,ll see

[proper night]

If iseul-t doesnt get hacked, i wonder will their sponsees keep their fans from S4

[rich orchid]

Ai generated lore

[storm bloom]

im ai generated

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1070806985026572378/1301570010472386610/IMG_2036.gif

[vast jungle]

iseult being responsible for plastic surgery would be a good guess because it’s a korean company and koreans are notorious for their plastic surgery skills

[gentle bronze]

just keep in mind contestants are fully virtual - we're not having plastic surgeries, we're just choosing a different avatar

[unkempt radish]

What year does the finals take place in

And im guessing where fully virtual on a hologram like stadium or smth cuz ppl watch I think

[proper night]

It takes place around 2099

[unkempt radish]

I’m guessing that they use older weapons for some reason

[empty timber]

they use older weapons?

[proper night]

Yes. Most of the weapons are 40+ years old now, in game universe they are at least 120 year old designs.

[cloud sable]

exactly my thoughts

[honest rose]

Anyone know if the numbers were assigned on skins have any significance

[cloud sable]

chat hear me out as scotty says that he is a former contestant and the just like scotty achievment i have a speculation that anyone who contests in the finals too much and is way too good is converted into AI

you may now roast me

[fast kindle]

oooo, maybe he was too good and they killed him off, but replaced his voice with ai and became a judge so nobody would notice him missing

[cloud sable]

could be

[empty timber]

why?

[cloud sable]

well if he was a former contestent

which he says so then how is he ai now

[empty timber]

he is ai?

https://tenor.com/view/thinkdeep-gif-25794036

[unkempt radish]

If it’s the year 2099 and these weapons are from now then yes

Like the 1887 or the akm

Unless their modernized

[hybrid cove]

So is June, although rolling with this theory she'd probably be made by multico for the purpose of commentating

[empty timber]

scotty and june use ai voice doesnt mean theyre ai

idk where you guys get this info from but they arent ai

[hybrid cove]

Again I'm just rolling with this theory

Never said I believed it

[empty timber]

im a short reader

[proper night]

I have a feeling next season will be more lore heavy

[grizzled berry]

no the game devs have not confirmed anything yet, but they said that they made it ai so they could make it a possibility that its an ai.

[trail wren]

i’d like to see the source of that

[grizzled berry]

bruh you want me too look through a year of dev logs

[trail wren]

dude, i’ve been covering the lore since the Closed Alpha so believe me i would know if they said that. that’s why i asked

[grizzled berry]

ok but they havent confirmed anything so its still a possibility

[trail wren]

in that case, it remains a theory

[karmic spear]

Just me or are scotty and June less mean to each other June seems to be getting better with her jokes

[proper night]

Watch season 5 have nothing to do with aztecs other than one outfit

[sacred latch]

https://fxtwitter.com/reachthefinals/status/1863634200823304239?t=nIz-BLeahV5KvRZ_yus30w&s=19

[hybrid cove]

Anyone think that may iseul-t had something to do with cns gaining access to the finals and their broadcast?

May be a little far fetched but the charm you get from the sponsorship has a glitchy sort of theme that CNS is known for and also seems to promote anonymity which CNS also would probably enjoy

[gentle bronze]

Is there any known significance for it to be "Edition 2000", or is it just seen as flavour text?

also, lol

[gentle bronze]

https://x.com/BIO19K/status/1863648428082749806

RG | Bio19K (@BIO19K) on X

@reachthefinals Which means this is DISSUNs official theme cause ty ate the same slogan! GOD I FUCKING LOVE THE FINALS.

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 6:16 PM

[trail wren]

yeah, it’s been theorized by others before

[sacred latch]

glad people are seeing it too 😀

[proven ether]

I feel like the glitchy thing is just part of the style, because they make clothes in the virtual and real world, so I thought that was just like a way to show they do both

[eager pewter]

what does dissum do?

[sacred latch]

They are an energy company!

[eager pewter]

ok

[eager pewter]

Is there a source, cuz phoneticly thats a kind of a stretch.

[sacred latch]

If you search up "Vossler surname meaning" it should come up as the first thing

I assume it's unintentional, but might be an Easter Egg or Lore related thing

[gentle bronze]

Yeah I think it's just a coincidence

[eager pewter]

1. thing on Google can still be wrong.

[gentle bronze]

Yeah that's why I said I think it's just a coincidence

[fast kindle]

does anyone know if june is meant to have a british accent? because it sounds like one but it isnt quite right, she can sometimes pronounce Rs at the end of words

[bright nebula]

im huffing alot of conspiracium but i hope cns pulls a bait and switch and iseult gets replaced by them in the next season for sponsors. i missed season 2 and i want more cns stuff man

[desert echo]

Guys, who is that “Marcel” Scotty and June where talking about in the intro for the sponsor showdown update?

June sounded really concerned about something

[trail wren]

representative that MultiCo sent at the end of S3

they went in to talk to the sponsors, and were responsible for the S4 changes in a way

[lofty nest]

A representative known as Merciless Marcel to tidy up the problems/loose ends from CNS’ hacking

[desert echo]

Basically a business man send for resolving all the fuzzle caused by CNS’s actions

Thanks for the answers btw

[lofty nest]

The first thing this instantly made me think of is the image of DISSUN’s logo on the ARC Raiders killer robot.

There’s been implications people live in a walled society (CNS info), that the real world isn’t something people would want to ever end up in from becoming offline (Engimo sponsor info) but also implied there’s people that live outside of it too, and CNS is trying to get people to see the truth (look beyond the walls/one night three dawns see the signs)

So if you look at what this is from a different perspective,

“Ours is making sure nothing gets in your way” - Killing off potential threats to the would-be walled society’s ensured veil on truth
“Without us, your favorite world wouldn’t exist” - Same gist as above, making sure nothing will ever threaten the current order of things

Also wherever the fuck DISSUN is getting all that energy from

Something as insanely demanding as The Finals would probably be an insane power hog, same with trying to run a virtual world 24/7

[sacred latch]

it's in the name and logo haha

the way I see it: Top half is the Sun, bottom half are the panels

[lofty nest]

ooh

That’s clever

With all the info Embark has given out through various clues and assets and so on, there’s no way the DISSUN logo on a killer robot from ARC Raiders is accidental or coincidental imo

[gentle bronze]

Given that the "ARC" logo only appeared on the rollerbot thing on the ARC Raiders website before it got retooled into an extraction shooter I'd say it's probably more likely they just reused the icon they weren't using anymore for DISSUN than it being an actual connection.

[vast jungle]

lmao the dissun logo looks like di sun rising

[proven monolith]

[rich orchid]

Ai generated lore

[exotic rampart]

Vaiiya failed and was taken out of the picture for season 4 as a sponsor, but from the photo of season five it's suddenly back? I wonder what this means

[clear vector]

I swear to God if I see that image again

[nocturne turtle]

Do we have any information about those lines?
They are on the Hazard Duty Set and the DISSUN Interruptor helmet. (and probably other skins)
Both skins have the numbers 016 512
There is no DISSUN logo on the Hazard Duty set. The only notable 'logo' are those lines.
It could be that it's a subsidiary of DISSUN.

Also: please tell me other skins you find those lines on

[empty timber]

i think it's like ivada premium tag

or it could be their small logo

like ivada, they use X in a square

[nocturne turtle]

I think that x in a square isn't just Ivada. It can also be seen on DXZ and X7//AV iirc.

That X could be a parent company of all 3 or like you said it's a small logo of Ivada and the other 2 are subsidiaries

[empty timber]

so any cosmetics that have these barcodes are engineered by ivada, right?

[nocturne turtle]

Possibly

[empty timber]

so x in a square is ivada

[nocturne turtle]

Maybe, we don't really have confirmation for it yet

[empty timber]

401 premium tag isnt confirmation?

[robust sleet]

Also Dyson Swarms / Spheres. Its a clever wordplay, for sure!

(The upper part - dyson sphere, lower part - dyson swarm)

[trail wren]

best to [always] check in #easter-eggs first as there's a higher chance we've already discussed it there. i remember thinking it spelled MC (as in MultiCo)

[nocturne turtle]

I'm not sure but I think someone has interpreted the lines as MG. III = M; Ii = G

[potent crow]

Anybody here? Got a question

[trail wren]

yeah that too. i don’t see it’s relevancy yet so i don’t mind it

[robust sleet]

Go ahead!

[tidal pine]

Guys I have a theory. What if the Aztec Empire didn’t get destroyed in the timeline of The Finals? Instead, it survived into the future and became an advanced civilization. This could explain the rotating things and the gear seen in the official imagery. In this context, the Aztecs could have developed a chainsaw-like weapon with obsidian cutters. The weapon could inflict bleeding damage, aligning with the sharp, deadly properties of obsidian. This could be the advanced version of the Macuahuitl.

[robust sleet]

This Thoery is EXTREMLY far-fatched, and very unlikely.

Im 90% sure The Finals is NOT on an alternate timeline, and is simply in the future

[tidal pine]

@robust sleet why do they have advanced gear.

[nocturne turtle]

Because the game is set in ~2100

[tidal pine]

@nocturne turtle but the Aztecs are dead. It would make no sense to use an ancient civilization.

[nocturne turtle]

Kyoto 1568 also doesnt exist in ~2100 but it's still a map. THE FINALS is a vr game. It can be set in any time period

[trail wren]

it’s the VR world. everything they use is based on IRL. no alternate timeline has been confirmed

[tidal pine]

The Kyoto was like a mix of the present time and the past. The weapons were also not advanced. But the guy on the official imagery has a modern weapon. That means it can be the past

[robust sleet]

Yet with Kyoto also came thermal bores, which Im sure existed back in the 16th century...

[robust sleet]

Nothing in the Finals happens "in the best", as seasons continue so does the official timeline of the games universe, which splits from ours through a theoretical future but keeping the same past

[tidal pine]

What your theory then

[nocturne turtle]

The Finals is a VR game. We are only able to play in the VR world but IRL it is ~2100.
The VR game is mixing past and future elements for entertainment.

This isn't a theory. It's pretty much confirmed

[gentle bronze]

Given that S5's slogan is "Next stage", the DbR shirts says "Theatre", I think the Aztec theme may be moreso a play, not the actual timeframe?

Unless by theatre they mean Cruelty of Spaniards in Peru

[nocturne turtle]

Yeah, I think the Aztec theme is only a smaller part of the whole S5 theme.

Rob has repeatedly mentioned that the map or something in the map is rotating.
Maybe a part of the map (the theatre) is rotating through different themes.

[gentle bronze]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking

[robust sleet]

Refer to Nova's message below your own

[gentle bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhfDBsgmqmk I imagine something like this, but obviously bigger

[nocturne turtle]

uhhh this would be cool

I was thinking more of different Map Variants where one is Aztec themed and another is DbR themed, but this is also very cool

[gentle bronze]

perhaps? I assume the map may feature random themes, two per round

[pallid rover]

What if they made an Aztec or Mayan pyramids who rotate and open different paths into it, changing the defensive and attacking strategies of the team

[robust sleet]

Personally I just hope we get more variants for maps in general

Tough related to the topic, I personally think that it may refer to having certain areas actually rotate and add some more fun physics to it

[spice thunder]

Heavy rain 🔥🔥🔥

[nocturne turtle]

I'd love if they returned the Tripwires and Turrets variant for Las Vegas

[robust sleet]

True! I only got to play it once (came in late s1) and I think it was very unique.

(Tough maybe keep it to casual modes)

[cloud sable]

maybe we get tripwire mines as gadgets thta would be cool

[nocturne turtle]

Yeah, it should probably be banned from ranked. At least until people learn how to play in that variant

[empty timber]

IT IS TRETILAAAAAAAAAA

[fast kindle]

in the s5 trailer could it be merciless marcel walking through the corridor?

it is also the corridor we see when you respawn and go into the game

[empty timber]

look like a girl to me merciless marcel is a guy

[trail wren]

no. it actually looks like the woman from the early trailers (knows as Dede on the PSD files)

[fast kindle]

ah

oh yh mb i just rewatched the trailer i see what you mean

[knotty fractal]

Are the sponsors gonna be dissun , Tretila, and ospuze?

[trail wren]

according to the blogpost, ISEUL-T, VAIIYA and DISSUN. the rest will most likely be in the BP and/or store

[arctic portal]

THE PERSON IN ALL THE LOADING SCREENS you know that girl with the oni mask on the side of her head I SWEAR THAT WAS HER WALKING TWORADS The Finals

[peak prism]

https://youtu.be/QGgGCvuez14?si=DmOQD3PPKQVHJs5o

[knotty fractal]

Can someone send a pic of the the ceos ?

[round sluice]

i wonder why iseul-t continues onto the next season

[knotty fractal]

Because “you can be anyone and everything if your with iseul-t”

[round sluice]

so true

glory to Yun Beom-seok

[knotty fractal]

Glory to Yun Beom-seok

[empty timber]

No ceo image yet only name reveal

[rare osprey]

Looks really pretty similar! Would love to buy that skin!

[round sluice]

crack theory

we know how scotty was a contestant at some point

clearly teased throughout the game

it's him fr

[rare osprey]

The girl?

[round sluice]

yup definitely

[maiden steeple]

s1 tralier also have this charater, but... hope we can get it this time

[gentle bronze]

okay so

[round sluice]

also surprised we actually never got her as a skin i thought i just missed

[gentle bronze]

and whatever is here at 0:21

[rare osprey]

I would rather guess june as the girl

[gentle bronze]

more visible

is it just a typical glitch effect?

[round sluice]

the blue square clearly represents cns coming back and messing with the arena leading to season 3 1/2

[gentle bronze]

that's what I'm thinking and hoping for

[round sluice]

think so? there really isnt anything hidden in it

[arctic portal]

i want the egg mask

[rare osprey]

I want her! (The Outfit)

[shell lily]

two parts of the new map, they look fun to play

[gentle bronze]

anyone recalls if it's a symbol seen before?

[rare osprey]

Looks a bit like the devil mask from a skin, cant remember really which one

[arctic portal]

thats a pug

[quartz island]

Blogpost? Where?

[gentle bronze]

https://www.reachthefinals.com/patchnotes/s5teaser

[quartz island]

Wait I found it

[round sluice]

ok no yeah that's definitely the girl from the promo materials

[quartz island]

Thanks Wurl lol

[gentle bronze]

yeah, both the mask and the helmet confirm it

[shell lily]

where did you find this

[gentle bronze]

#game-announcements message

[trail wren]

signature from video editor

[rare osprey]

Hold one theres a number on the ellbow, does that means we get more of the random numbers skins?

[shell lily]

im blind mb

[round sluice]

probably yeah

[trail wren]

y’all will find #easter-eggs better suited for this kind of stuff btw. we usually analyze trailers there

[gentle bronze]

I assume so

[shell lily]

best fature of new season by far

[round sluice]

don't have embed perms so

who's there on 0:18 of the teaser

like last 2 frames before REACH

[patent valve]

What is Dede’s importance other than the key art

[trail wren]

atm, nothing other than cosmetics. we’ll see if she’s an actually character or not

[rare osprey]

Now that I remember, did had Avren, or something (forget his name) at the end of s2 battlepass a purpose? He was a CNS guy- cant remember right anymore

[gentle bronze]

what do you mean exactly?

[patent valve]

Like if she has a role in the story or not

[gentle bronze]

oh wait wrong one

[gentle bronze]

I asume it shows the new heavy weapon?

[fossil niche]

You mean Ariad?

[round sluice]

no i meant the gas mask

[gentle bronze]

Ariad was, I assume the main guy behind the CNS attack

hmm good question

[round sluice]

man this shot is cool

[gentle bronze]

Maybe it's one of the Vaiiya members (same ones who restarted Finals after Season 2)

[round sluice]

wait they restarted the finals? i thought the arena restarted itself

[gentle bronze]

Oh well, I think so? They did something related to it

[round sluice]

they recommended rebooting the system iirc

[gentle bronze]

It's definitelly a new gasmask, none of the in-game ones fit

[round sluice]

awesome

[round sluice]

definitely gonna buy it when it comes around

[trail wren]

Ariad, what about them?

[gentle bronze]

from what I saw some poeple theorize he's the one who made Kyoto?

[trail wren]

that’s because we found msgs from CNS in Kyoto

[gentle bronze]

yes\

[trail wren]

ye i’m aware of the Miro board

[gentle bronze]

I meant as sending it to @rare osprey

[round sluice]

wait where can i see the board

[gentle bronze]

https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVK0idxbU=/?moveToWidget=3458764594092087664&cot=14

[round sluice]

this whole board feels like that one "my coworker going insane" meme

[gentle bronze]

totally

[nocturne turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/you-see-it-is-part-plan-explain-gif-20448886

[tardy spoke]

Time to put Nacho Libre on repeat because embark finally put in a luchador set

LETS GOOO!!!

[arctic portal]

anyone realise tristan+ is also a drink brand? BEEF WITH OSPUZE?!!?! HELPED CNS!?!?!?!?!???!??? THE implications are crazy

[coral edge]

Chancho... I need to borrow some sweats.

[dark jay]

Engimo+HOLTOW pack is SO LOUD I’m smoking it DAILYYY

[grizzled berry]

oh yeah i am getting that skin

[rare osprey]

A thank you!

[robust sleet]

I have a theory

[rich orchid]

Ai generated lore

[robust sleet]

It might be a bit of a far-fetch, but I believe that Dede might'eve been part of Scotty's team

Judging by the key art, she definitly seems to have been or be a contestant, but she has now faded into the background, but still watching, hence why I believe she is a former contestant

Additionally, her design just sortta screams "the finals" (clasic colors, nama tama, ospuze sponsorship ) hence why I believe she is important to the "previous" editions of the game, before the current time of the players.

[trail wren]

could be. but also i wouldn’t be surprised if she isn’t a character per se and it’s just a bundle like the pirate one

[rich orchid]

Why do you all keep rolling eyes me?

[robust sleet]

I think she's a character because with bundles, they don't hesitate to show the face. In fact, that's almost always the focal point. She however is portreyed with mystery, which I think is a sign of importance for the plot.

[robust sleet]

You keep on rage-baiting

[rich orchid]

I'm not rage baiting

[trail wren]

because you come in here spamming that msg every once in a while and don’t contribute anything. so yeah

[rich orchid]

I truly believe the lore is ai generated and the reason why they have this channel isn't for people to discuss what the lore might be but for them to keep people from thinking about the lore being ai generated

[trail wren]

cool, you said your piece

[rich orchid]

Yeah

[robust sleet]

Now can you stop repeating that message?

[trail wren]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[rich orchid]

Ai generated lore

[loud totem]

u are ai generated too

[robust sleet]

And here's proof he's rage-baiting.

[rich orchid]

I don't work for embark so no I'm not

[rich orchid]

Now I am but not before

[robust sleet]

Anyways lets just ignore this bum

[rich orchid]

Bum bum

[trail wren]

we’ll see how they introduce her, i’m just skeptical. i know Rob has said she might be important to the lore. we’ll see

[robust sleet]

Honestly with the amount of stuff Rob had leaked over time we might have to put togheter a collection

[trail wren]

we already do at #easter-eggs

[robust sleet]

Oh right. Been a while since I checked that one out

In any case my idea is just a theory. No real evidence besides speculation (tough I do think it's pretty well funded, personally)

[rich orchid]

Is there any confirmed lore?

[teal blaze]

What character are you talking about here?

[proper night]

This one, Dede

[proper night]

.

[rich orchid]

That is a girl

Oh wait I read wrong

[teal blaze]

Did new information come up about her? Js wondering why she's being talked about again

[proper night]

She features in the new trailer, in the entrance hall

The idea that she is about to enter the big stage means she may have more light shed on her this season

[teal blaze]

Ah

I was watching on my phone so I couldn't tell the characters that well lol

[proper night]

Yeam me too i could just barely make it out. I hope they add her face and outfit this season i like the look

[robust sleet]

@teal blaze here's the comparison
(Ty cookie for getting those two images)

While the jacket could just be generic, the helmet is something that will probably be unique to her so its likely no mere conincidence

[proper night]

She also has the same belt and in both shes wearing the headset around her neck

Maybe shes just meant to be a symbol of us, the player

[fast kindle]

so far we dont have any faces of significant people in the finals except this seasons sponsors and possibly the girl in the trailer

[vast jungle]

while we’re talking abt her we should have a revolver skin resembling the one she’s holding

[proper night]

Yesss dude it has that classic colt python vibe

[vast jungle]

i wanna be like rick grimes 🤑

[sonic shard]

so the old sponsors came back. Trentila is an entertainment wrestling company like WWE, or what ?

[sonic shard]

"Something's in the air contestant" meaning something floating, and by what Rob said himself something rotating too. So does it means.... ?

So ISEULT, HOLTOW, and OSPUZE as 3 primary sponsors on season 5 or what? I've tried to play the video 10 times on 0.25

[robust sleet]

The Primary sponsors of S5 are IseulT (first introduced in s0), Vaiiya (first introduced im s2) and Dissun (first introduced in s3)

[sonic shard]

Cool, now DISSUN is powering us

[robust sleet]

Yep

[rare osprey]

Why is Isuelt the second time a sponsor actually?

[worldly valve]

test

[rare osprey]

Test?

[worldly valve]

Just on my way to level 1 lol

[teal blaze]

well they are a pretty imposed sponsor, Ospuze is really the only one more powerful in the lore. it would make sense that they would come back then; they could afford to sponsor a second leg of the games.

[hardy berry]

I hope the issul-t being a cover for CNS is correct

Can't bring back viiya without there rival org

[long urchin]

I just hope that their next wt stop is any better than this season’s

[undone snow]

the glitchiness in the music right before the transition to snowy kyoto may imply cns's return

[sudden cape]

I was just thinking of this ahhh

[barren crow]

yeah i was thinking that too

[empty timber]

just like every other the finals videos? lol that sounds is always at the end of the video

[undone snow]

nvm bruhhhh

I do believe CNS will begin to reemerge this season tho

[still crow]

I guess you guys already found out about this but I just wanted to post about the advertising girl being on the trailer

[sonic shard]

tried to translate out the side wall kanji (thats rotated to right, on the left wall part beside dissun). Here what I got

[empty timber]

damn chatpgt

[viscid steeple]

it literally translate as high voltage beware

[viscid steeple]

i think it lost the transition because the last world "注意"

[maiden steeple]

dissun is a power&energy company?

[sonic shard]

alr, lemme recheck

[native bane]

Woah

[copper dome]

I thought this was JUNE is my guess. Anyways, My question is a Game Developer Lore-Type Question: Why do players respawn 150–275 meters away from the bank box/cashbox in the game?

[cloud sable]

plot twist this is june

[fierce fox]

dissuns description is lowkey villainous

[cloud sable]

"ITS ABOUT DRIVE ITS ABOUT POWER" 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥

[fierce fox]

new bad guys?!

[hoary mantle]

Oh shit I love that idea. Turns out their CEO was Ariad this whole time

[hardy berry]

Ment more so as a "CNS replaces issul t as a sunrise twist

[hoary mantle]

Anyway is the AI they mentioned in Season 3 just dead in the water or something

[solid wedge]

the AI is THE FINALS

the whole gameshow is a AI that had to be rebooted in between s3 and s4

[timid hamlet]

Drawing a comparison to irl, is it realistic to say Ospuze is embark’s version of Redbull then?

[solid wedge]

can ospuze start a annual soap box race?

[glass nacelle]

i have a question, in a recent video (i think it was the sponsor showdown one) both scotty and june sounded very robotic. was that ever explained? were they ais all along?

[robust sleet]

Ospuze is (arguably) more influential then Redbull but you could say that

[robust sleet]

There are some theoried about June being ai, but it might just be a mistake when producing the sound and not actually relevant

[lapis roost]

meaning?

[rare osprey]

Maybe birthday from someone?

[trail wren]

we don’t know. most likely #easter-eggs related as usual

[nocturne turtle]

The Sega Genesis released 29. Oct. 1988 in Japan which was supervised by Hideki Sato. No idea why it's a fossilized coin tho

[lapis roost]

Maybe its a treasure thats been buried under decades of video game history

[empty timber]

that buried atari game

[cerulean flare]

it's sato birthday from Ajin

[tired thicket]

The inauguration of the pyramide of the louvre for the museum in France in Paris, maybe with the stickers showing a piece of a map with an × inside a triangle is something to search

[lapis roost]

bro what is this 4 different explanations, who is right

[trail wren]

it’s not 4 explanations, but connection points. all of them could be right, best to check #easter-eggs

[torpid spire]

where is the beta girl

i mean there is a popular theory about beta girl like shes June

[round sluice]

in the teaser

[torpid spire]

i think world in the finals is collapsed

[round sluice]

we dont really know for sure but it looks like the beta girl

[torpid spire]

and scotty and june is ai

and THE FINALS or Mainfream is just a ai

[round sluice]

the arena might be an ai but scotty and june not really sure

[torpid spire]

i think that these simulations of kife

like here are 2100-2130 anything is possible

sad thats they fucked up cns storyline

i wish another finals

they inspired by japanese tv shows and F1 commentators

we might need another japanese theme season

also about the AI theory

rebooting the system showed how chaotic it is scotty and June were surprised that they ended up in Kyoto

That means they not control ai at all

[trail wren]

they were aware that VAIIYA’s reboot could cause that

[torpid spire]

sponsors are not interested in the finals

VAIIYA fucked up TWICE

at least they just restart the system

not beating the cns thats why horizon still in the game

last words

engimo is sucks

[proven walrus]

just looking up sato 1988 gets you eric sato in the 1988 olympic games, but it could def be something else. the treasure map seems to lead to the mountains on next season's map so i'm sure we'll know more when we have access to that

[hoary mantle]

They were surprised they ended up in 1500’s Kyoto. They were expecting modern-day Tokyo.

[barren crow]

her name is Dede

[gentle bronze]

Yeah June doesn't strike me as a contestant

[strange forum]

new lore ospuze is cocacola and pepsi combined whit monster + redbull

[proper night]

It kinda reminds me more of surge if you remember that energy drink

Its at least how i imagine it tastes

[fast kindle]

• uranium

[hybrid cove]

Be cool if they did a sort of mini live event with contestants equipment glitching and that face CNS uses appears

Not likely but it'd be cool nonetheless

[spice belfry]

10-29-1988 the “cashbox top 100 songs” was phil collins a groovy kind of love. Have no clue how it is related though

[median burrow]

I think I know the meaning of the new charm in this weeks store update possibly. The date on that one charm is October 29, 1988. 50 years before that was the start of the Great Depression in New York. This games lore has a lot tied to New York, and the fact this may be linked to the great Depression. Which was a bad time in the economy and everything about this game is to get the most amount of money.

[vocal ruin]

But why the finals coins. Those only show up when u die or complete/start vault/cashout.

[quartz island]

“Insert coin to play” maybe. I know the sega genesis isn’t an arcade machine but I guess one could consider them close cousins.

[vocal ruin]

What if the Sato is an abbreviation I know it’s most likely a name but there’s the possibility

[rare osprey]

Maybe it's not scotty lies (s lies) but Sato lies?

[vocal ruin]

Lies? I’m not caught up in lore but give me a summary on what Scotty lied about or something

[rare osprey]

xD I don't know if he lied but that's a script which was found in Monaco on a wall, And many thought S (Scotty) Lies

[vocal ruin]

Really where

[rare osprey]

Under the construction side behind a wall, I can show a Pic if I find one 🙂

[vocal ruin]

Thx I can prob find it

[rare osprey]

Here

My my the quality of that Pic is low xD

[vocal ruin]

Hahaha all good

Is there any voice line or something that could have Scotty possibly lying. Kinda hard to describe what I’m thinking but some voice lines seem hard to be a lie

[rare osprey]

That he was a contestant maybe, He sais that often in voicelines and it even gives an achievement but it's still not confirmed I think

[vocal ruin]

But why make an achievement a lie

[rare osprey]

True, but maybe he was a contestant but a cheater? And that's why he is not playing anymore?

[vocal ruin]

Wasn’t there the idea that the games that Scotty played where all real where death meant death

[rare osprey]

Because how it sounds trough the voicelines he was a really good contestant + in the achievment you have to win a round without dying, pretty hard

[rare osprey]

I dont know but interesting idea

[vocal ruin]

Thought that cause I think I heard it somewhere cause u see all these contestants from the ballerina and stuff but never hear of them only Scotty

[rare osprey]

Another S Lies Theorie is, that sofia petronelle (Ospuze CEO) is a liar maybe? And that it makes addictive, its bad drink etc, like she lies about the OSPUZE energy drink,
(A bit of like that ideocrazy Energy Drink, which they used to water plants)

[vocal ruin]

Question is the S lies thing written as A: S Lies or B: S lies

[rare osprey]

How do you mean?

[vocal ruin]

I’m thinking that maybe if it’s capped as S Lies it might be a name

[rare osprey]

Aaaah yeah maybe

[undone snow]

I don't think that that's actual lore but it could be possible because the finals may have been around since the 1980s

[hardy berry]

the date on the coin fossil charm is the relase date of the sega mega drive

dunno what that does for anyone

[fervent magnet]

I got a theory. Not sure if anyone noticed, but when you kill someone with the "Holtow Fine Print" skins on the different guns (AKM, M11, SR-84, etc), instead of the username in game, they seem to print a different name sometimes. My guess is that technically, since the gun is supposed to be by Holtow which is a insurance company, its printing the player's "real name" by using their platform account username (steam, PS, Xbox) linked to their embark account for the "insurance".

[sweet trellis]

I feel like the treasure hunter map could lead to something or just cosmetic as we see both pieces of the map with the newest edition in the AK skin that says “home sweet home”

[wet ibex]

people have probably talked about this but this seems relevant

[median burrow]

prolly gonna be something related to Terminal Attack

[wet ibex]

hopefully not

[sonic shard]

yep found an old poster of them from season 3

I found out that dissun is around on or before year 2000

and I'm still looking for meaning on 028404

the left bottom is translated to "Machine Trinity"

[undone mural]

Dissun is an energy company is it not?

[undone mural]

They are probably responsible for the power to run the virtual worlds servers

[sonic shard]

they are, but I'm still confused why they powered up the finals, and what else to power besides the finals ?

since "Machine Trinity"

[empty timber]

i think they are actually providing energy for everything in meatspace not for the finals

[native bane]

Chat, have we talked about the vault hunter set yet? By that I mean the coin where it says 1988?

[glass nacelle]

so dissun is an electic company? i thought they could be a weapon company. but doesnt work that well

"Power is power, and you want it." makes sense on electricity

and the show would need a lot of power

to work

[sonic shard]

Energy and weapon corp (should be) since they have tag "Power is power, and you want it." and "Powering your elimination."

Pretty sure thats how a "gravity energy thing" that light have exist now

[glass nacelle]

one of their charms is a capacitor

an energy key (whatever that is), a tv

a lot of their cosmetics names and descriptions are electronic theme

so yeah, a electric company

[viscid apex]

the new sticker in the chrome pack is an easter egg if i've ever seen one

[marble viper]

if only this game wasnt so shit

[empty timber]

go play your siege bro

[bitter shard]

can someone give me a quick rundown of the lore

[empty timber]

Discuss the lore behind THE FINALS. Catch up on our community wiki here: https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Lore

[bitter shard]

🫡

[long urchin]

Peoples houses and stuff?

[sonic shard]

yeah, but "elimination" doesn't suits residence, so I have a theory that they actually the inventor of gravity cube and black hole gadget stuff

[nocturne turtle]

I'd say that CNS made the gravity cube since it looks glitchy and was added in the CNS Season

[scarlet sigil]

To anyone looking for possible clues; the new weapon charm "fossil fortune" has the name "Sato" with "1988-10-29". On earthref.org it says something having to do with seismology. If that leads anyone anywhere.

[native bane]

Isn’t sato one of the CEO’s?

[gentle bronze]

Sato is a Japanese word if I remember correctly

[gentle bronze]

one of the best things about the finals we can all agree on is the lore, gives me such nostalgia for tf2 lore and watching that develop alongside the game

[winter umbra]

typing

[patent valve]

has there been anything discovered about the charm that came with the recent ak skin?

[rich orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-brother-true-smoke-gif-23157983

[warm light]

I have a lot of Loren

[sonic shard]

I'm reanalyzing the python code someone's use on the finals season 3 type shi, I've found that it says "Initializing neural pathways", "Compiling defense matrices", "Activating threat detection algorithms". So did VAIIYA doing something before rebooting it ? Ain't it seems dumb when you execute a code that activating AI defenses but you trying to reboot it (killing it) ?

[trail wren]

that was the AI preparing itself, not VAIIYA executing commands

[sonic shard]

so are VAIIYA a real cyber company, or just someone who doesn't know how some system react ? Seems like they're a bit outdated

[trail wren]

they’re cybersecurity experts brought to deal with CNS and this was their recommendation

[sonic shard]

alright, I get it. So The Finals must be the first on its own kind, they never get this big case

[trail wren]

yeah, this is only the 2.1 version of the VR build. so we could argue it’s still new

[eternal dirge]

When we getting the Merciless Marcel from corporate face drop??

[quick hedge]

What would the Walmart of the finals universe be like?

Maybe some kinda futuristic Uber eats since everyone stays inside and just get on their VR

[hushed hemlock]

so

[long urchin]

https://youtu.be/dHkETLWVNBE?si=hlQYhjIuekl_6zr1

[lethal igloo]

Crazy lore drop wtf