easter-eggs

[fresh quiver]

they are Aprobably locked to lowercase ascii.
Ascii i am very sure about.
Only lowercase was atleast true for the previous Levels

[surreal sinew]

fr but have you seen the name testing things i did recently

well not necessarily remeber he said that att first it was near impossible but eventually it would be easier

dont quote me on this att all but i played in cb1 and i feel like i remeber seeing this but im not sure att all since it was a long time ago

[crisp eagle]

I don’t know if he said that directly about roses, but I believe he’s said that about EE’s in general. So it probably includes that. As well as the hints about an EE that grows with the seasons. Which I think the general consensus is that EE is the roses.

[surreal sinew]

okay because im was thinking about smth related to swedish yesteday but i forgot :c

[crisp eagle]

It’d also be worth assuming whatever we’ve gotten only up to season 9 would help us since he’s gone and probably the only person who managed that EE

[surreal sinew]

wdm by ee is the roses?

[crisp eagle]

We’ve even had only numbers as passwords, like “1064”

[fresh quiver]

he did iirc.

Something along of "it will grow over seasons and will get easier over time"

[crisp eagle]

Meaning when he said there is an EE that grows with the seasons, I assume he’s talking about the roses

[surreal sinew]

but yeah i feel like maybe before you had to manipulate things or move things while before it was hard to do that like winch and grav didnt exist but goo gun could push around but now we have antigrav and hover pads winch etc (just example not saying we have to move things)

[surreal sinew]

okay thanks still tryna think what it was

[surreal sinew]

ah yeah would make sense

[fresh quiver]

hehe. Melting point of Gold 😄

[crisp eagle]

I’d trust Sam’s memory over mine haha so I bet you’re right. Roses get easier over time. But that may have ended with him being gone now. I doubt it’ll continue to change at all

[surreal sinew]

yeah unless its a physical rose growing somewhere and by season 100 it just covers a map lol

[fresh quiver]

lemme find

[surreal sinew]

i keep thinking i really rejoined the hunting att the worst time possible lol

im just happy i got that one hint from rob att the majors (even though we havent been able to do anything with it)

[fresh quiver]

"old"

i think old irritated us back then also

[surreal sinew]

intresting how it says old be found alone why old not all (can old smth bean related or ospuze can?)

[crisp eagle]

Yea it’s gonna be rough now. A disheartening thought I had last night was how we won’t get hints through art anymore (most likely). Which is how we’ve managed to solve things. Let’s say we do solve a password for L3. It’ll probably lead us to a picture packed with some clues. But that’ll be it. We won’t get more released in official art channel to further help us along. And we’ve never been able to solve a password yet just from the single image that a password leads to.

[crisp eagle]

I believe it was a typo and he meant to say “all be found alone”

[surreal sinew]

didnt see this one lol

[fresh quiver]

Dont think rob would do the typo all = old

[surreal sinew]

but how do you typo all to old rember that rob often meant it

[fresh quiver]

rob is not the typo guy

[surreal sinew]

like his wierd spelling was for a reason

[surreal sinew]

yeah thats my job lol (i really gotta fix that habit)

[crisp eagle]

Yea you’re probably right. Especially since the sentence would read “before all EE’s could all be found alone”

[surreal sinew]

wait or it was meant to say Before all EE's old can be found alone or Before all old EE's can be found alone
but i think there must be a reason its like it was

[crisp eagle]

He probably did type it correctly, and it’s just sneaky like normal Rob fashion haha

[surreal sinew]

ye

[quasi path]

Why are we assuming there's no one working on it/at embark who knows how it works? When we have an Embark dev doing similar things atm (Plume). (Has there been confirmation either way? 🙂 )

[past karma]

I still hold a theory that if it's not hinting on something actually growing, then it can be related to the amount of maps roses/beanstalk can be triggered on

If roses EE was depending on specific gadgets/weapons, then it feels like the more of them are added to the game with new seasons, the "harder" it becomes to find the right combination, even if marginally

Maybe an indirect clue to look at something that is common to all the maps - the cashbox, cashout stations, etc. etc.

[quasi path]

What are the communities thoughts on the plume logo appearing in the latest dev blog?

Just a singular EE?
Or hinting at us to look further/part of a larger EE?

@harsh violet any hints? 🙂

ICYMI

[robust junco]

What is the hint

Is rob still active here btw??

[surreal sinew]

Nope

[surreal sinew]

It’s on the miro board

[robust junco]

Where the miro board

[quasi path]

https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVK0idxbU=/?moveToWidget=3458764596714583146&cot=14

[quasi path]

Usually you can find most links in #egg-hunt-onboarding 🙂

[soft socket]

I think you're seeing what I'm seeing

I think you're seeing things ;P

xD

[surreal sinew]

i think so to lol

[surreal sinew]

he meant where on it X

[surreal sinew]

https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVK0idxbU=/?moveToWidget=3458764650652955294&cot=14

that link should zoom you onto it

[quasi path]

Ohh, 'where is it on the board?'

[surreal sinew]

the link should take you to it

[quasi path]

No, im asking, if thats what he was asking

[surreal sinew]

oooooo

[quasi path]

Also, I dont see what could be causing those artifacts to appear, as in:

When you frame by frame through that glitch effect, some of the text and img gets distorted and moves around the frame. (If you watch the work KYOTO for EG. It gets warped around and it gets glitched and make multiples of itself that then collapse back into the word KYOTO/dissipate as the glitch wears off)
There isn't anything in screen that THESE artifacts seem to come from. They dont appear from another bit of text, or look like the BG img at all. They're there for only 1 single frame, right in the middle of the glitch, and then dissappear.
It's odd and stands out if you go frame by frame.

[keen wind]

also at 8s, could those slots be important? I think I remember Rob talking about interactable slot machines on Vegas at some point

[crisp eagle]

If you’re referring to discussing The Big Whoop, I believe Rob was the only one who really created it and knew the passwords. Other EE’s I’m sure other Embarkers got envolved or at least knew some stuffs

[velvet narwhal]

yeah rob was the only one who knew stuff about the big whoop.

It could be that he gave some info to other devs when he left but I doubt it

[surreal sinew]

well what about the one infront of the monitor?

[quasi path]

Would we not assume, just like with any work he will have passed onto others when leaving, that hed do the same with this stuff?

Or to phrase it the other way around, what reason do we have to assume he wouldnt? Surely thatd be the default?

🙂 itd be so nice to get some clarity from Embark on this cc @harsh violet

[crisp eagle]

He may have. But that also requires proof. I’m going based on just what I’ve seen over the years of The Big Whoop, where other Embarkers seemed to be in the dark about most of it. It’s entirely possible that he passed it on. But it’s also entirely possible he didn’t, especially how abruptly the separation was.

[quasi path]

Yea i know either way is possible, and we have no proof either way, so im just talking about the most reasonable assumption/null hypothesis.

Seems super odd to me that a guy who is famously planning out all this stuff, made 0 plans for if he had to leave, wanted to leave or got ill. And then once he knew he was leaving took no actions re this either.

[crisp eagle]

But he’s also been known to do that at DICE with BF I think. People still figure things out that he put in those games. I can’t remember exact clips, but he’s also talked like he would take some EE’s to the grave if nobody ever solved them. Obviously I’m just paraphrasing. I think we’ve got a clip of him saying something like “even if I retire, the big hunt can’t still be solved. Even my sister who doesn’t play the game could solve it with all the clues I’ve provided.”

Part of me also thinks Plume is Rob, though. My mind cooked a long time ago haha

[ruby prawn]

only just noticed the heart and square/cube shaped reflection in the PR no idea what this could mean or if its benign & someone has already brought this up. Looks cool though

[surreal sinew]

well he said he never was going to leave :c

[quasi path]

I think its the skylight reflecting, but cant get in game to check till later

[surreal sinew]

yeah i belive its just the light sources

[quasi path]

(Makes sense that the pointy edge of the building is creating the heart shape, and the reflection 90° isnt)

Ill check sometime and confirm for sure though unless someone does before 🙂

[ruby prawn]

ur right it is the edge of the building, looking at it close up with max settings you can see its the edge thats blocking out a part of the light source. Its not consistant with the square one though but they're probably just pre-placed reflections

[quasi path]

Yea i double checked

Also checked

Basic interactions with the Make it rain/the one where you place a rose/the one where you thrown down and stomp a bouquet of roses, with the roses with no results.

Basic stuff like emoting onto one of em, all of em, groups, with them all ontop a cash box etc etc.

Tried using all canisters on a patch of grass with flowers growing, then placing roses and doing the above with no effect.

Tried placing a rose in each of the cash vault scoring holes, and also emoting on them all to no effect

Tried placing singular roses under dummy's and killing them to make them rain coins, no effect.

Haven't tried that last one with all of em, nor variations (like one with a S,M,H dummy, or killing every dummy possible and getting them to rain onto a singular/all roses) yet.

[timid glen]

Nice. That's what i was wondering, props for being the one to actually do it

[fading vigil]

When I was lurking miro board, specially photos from rob, two of them catch my attention:
drums that look like from donkey Kong- maybe this “best platformer” was mentioned by rob?
And second one with pink flamingo on the ceiling lamp - remember flamingo ee?!
Def it can be a clue - something somwhere on a lamp or you should be on it and look down

[silk wolf]

I was looking at the one uploaded in official art and I feel like I see the practice range in his goggles and like rose colored blots on his cheek

The name of the image is also convenient

[surreal sinew]

i belive the platformer was semi confirmed to be jack and the beanstalk by thor entertainment software for commador 64 (i think it was c64 might be wrong) and i remberer it only got eyed after specefiying thor entertainment software

[fading vigil]

I thought so too, but what if it’s a separate things? Like, all the beanstalk theme -> thor computers
And the best platformer -> dkong?

[surreal sinew]

maybeee

[fading vigil]

Beanstalk game wasn’t great tho 🙂

[spring thistle]

Probably already discussed but I find it interesting.
Apparently Odelia is not too fond of Scotty.
Apparently she might make some sort of appearance in the future as a commentator.

[surreal sinew]

ye i heard that intresting

[quasi path]

Do we have a higher rez version of the team wipe img thats hung on on that....hang on, ill screenshot it, way easier than describing lmao

This

Always struck me as odd. Does this happen in game in the scenery of the map when we team wipe?
I dont think ive ever noticed that big blue hologram effect nor those words appearing as they seem to in that img. So would be good to have a more detailed version to look at if anyone has it? 🙂

[surreal sinew]

is it just me or does it look like WEAXWIPE

or maybe TEAXWIPE cus the M just looks like an X

[soft socket]

I thnk that's just the resolution. In the full img it says teamwipe.

Can somone update that mirro board link please, it links to the wrong img, it should link to: #easter-eggs message :)

[soft socket]

But it's odd. The other imgs show early designs of the map, so it could be something that was cut. But I was wondering if this img was ever seperatly posted in full, rather than contained within the bigger img linked above, so we could get a better look at it.

[surreal sinew]

yeah now i see its just teamwipe

[surreal sinew]

the low qual fucked it up

(damn this message never sent)

[robust junco]

Or an IE at the start. Or a Y

Nvm

[surreal sinew]

check the message link above not the raw pick

[robust junco]

Lol

Mb

[verbal owl]

Have we ever checked the trunks of trees for anything like in red dead redemption for the telephone poles

[unkempt dune]

Adding onto this a bit later, but S can play into 123 in morse code since it's ...

[silk wolf]

At this point idc tbh

It feels like they dont gaf about this community or like they think this Easter egg is too easy so we require no help

Either way it’s selfish

I have over 2k hours in this game and nothing seems to click lore wise as much as I look for it

I appreciate the nods and homages but at what point does it become too niche to the point where nothing makes sense?

If we can’t contact Rob anymore then what’s the point?

Where’s his sister?

Am I gonna be 50 by the time it’s all discovered and I dgaf about the game anymore?

[alpine junco]

😆

[eternal violet]

tfee claims another soul

[white patrol]

"where's his sister" 😭 we are ee hunters not manhunters

[fading vigil]

Easter eggs isn’t a part of game progress or “100% competition” needed thing.
It’s a Rob’s passion and love to a project, hidden in the game. Lots of games still has unsolved EE’s decades after releases and it’s not a mark that “developers dgaf”, they are MEANT to be hidden and to be a surprise and reward to the most curious players.
Rob built this community because he wanted to involve us and to share his work. But also it wasn’t made easy and he could give us only one clue: there is a lot of things hidden, so we could still be on lvl1 without any other hints.

Emote bombing by @robust junco :))

[robust junco]

Hahaha

[fading vigil]

We got used to make theory crafting for getting 👀
Now this is gone.
Plume can give us 🪶 but only related to her own work.
So our main plan should be more experiments and ingame searching, cause theory spamming isn’t working anymore.

[past karma]

I'm sorry, but for me this rant sounds extremely entitled to the point of being rude and disrespectful to the people who made this game and worked on all the EEs.

Selfish you say? EEs exist to be solved by the community, doesn't matter if it's done in 5 days or 50 years. This is the opinion I hold, and it's demoralizing to see people treating devs as someone who must give them a hint or a path to the solution the moment any struggle begins

We are not entitled to a solution of an EE, the difficulty of said EE does not play any role in this. I entirely agree with @fading vigil reply, and again, the solution is on us to find. EEs are already there, they are implemented, maybe hidden in the plain sight, maybe we have missed some of them because they were time limited, maybe we have the solution for a number of them but we just don't know that. What else can we ask for?

It might be a cliche, but for me EEs are and always have been about the path - looking for the solution, interacting with likeminded people, analyzing every pixel and every corner of the map, etc. This is what I seek from EEs and this is what the Finals already gives us plenty. Asking for a helping hand in such a manner is simply very, very mean

[robust junco]

YAS QUEENS, I know I'm not the most helpful, and repeat things that have been said, but its the people you meet along the way, the things you accomplish, the things you see/experience, the things you see others accomplish and share that with them. And for every ounce of struggle we face, is another ounce of worth, joy, and satisfaction we get to have once we solve this. NOW LETS DO THIS GURLS!!!!!! CHARGEEEEE!!!!!!

(It could still tale years but that's ök is what I'm saying)

[alpine junco]

was the last clue we got from that one church?

[fading vigil]

I think it`d be better, if we try to find how to use that link:

[quasi path]

Yes, we found stuff in em, (trying to find a vid to link you)

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1kfcwwb/accidentally_found_an_easter_egg/

As well as
https://youtu.be/6L2d__QUVrs?si=sfFexYMou-dKU9Lh
For more detail

[quasi path]

Its confirmed that she can only give hints related to her own work and none of the previous EEs?

If so can you link/SC this confirmation so I can see the wording? 🙂

[fading vigil]

No, but so far, the statistics tells us so

[quasi path]

Okay. I refuse to believe he left without passing anything on, as per my convo yesterday and me making the case that I'd be extremly odd to do so. So unless I get confirmation I am airing on the side of this not being the case

Thanks for confirming though!

[fading vigil]

I understand and as experienced in game dev inside processes, rob should assign his work to someone else. But, while we haven’t have official answers, we don’t know how it was done and was it.
And all we got confirmed: Plume operate as standalone EE dev, while other info proved.

Maybe rob told plume to give us a hint to a main EEs once a year, we don’t know)

[robust junco]

Ik someone at dreamhack knows

The tgm25. Someone asked him and he told them

Maybe they give cryptic hints

[fading vigil]

While plume_main_ee_hints=0:
Plume_hints_only_own_ee=true;

[quasi path]

Agreed, also worked in AAA game studios and it seems bonkers that itd all get left with no notes, to someone. Even just from a legal perspective.

Comparing to how other transfer of EE/ongoing lore has happened when somone left (Blundell and cod zombies as just 1 EG) and it seems insane...

Take into account that im told Rob is a genuis planner, who plans everything, but apparently didnt plan for if he had to/wanted to/ take time away/leave. Well he either is a genuis planner and planned it, or he isn't.

Add ontop of that his apparent love for the community and (as well as his personal wanting the egg to be completed for his own gratification but also him) him wanting us to do it for us, because he cares about this community, and it makes absolutely 0 sense that he just yeeted it all and left.

If it is the case that that happened then personally I dont think very highly of that, and im much more inclined to put more effort towards Plumes eggs as a priority than Robs until Plumes are complete.

Just my 2 cents, I know people will feel otherwise.

Again, would be really good to have some actual communication about this from a community manager to alleviate tension/confusion/worry about this (overall is it ((big whoop)) still ongoing )

[dull marsh]

At the same time the Big EE hunt is his own thing with basically no one else knowing the answers, and given that we're already supposed to be able to solve it, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't tell anyone about it
It doesn't really have any impact on the game itself so it's not like he has to handover that responsibility else something breaks

[quasi path]

While this "fits", practically it makes 0 sense and is just incredibly risky. Vs just, having it in a document and passing that onto who is filling his roles.

Makes no sense.

Like, even here you give a counter eg... what if something breaks?

[dull marsh]

As far as we know, most of the big hunt (except WR, Dolphins and 3HM) is basically outside of the game so that's not really a risk 🤔

[quasi path]

There's a million others but my msgs are already too long 😆

But like just think continuity. Thats a HUGE reason to pass it on. There 50 HUGE reasons and 0 good reasons to not.

[quasi path]

Its a risk not to the integrity of the game or balance or whatever, but to community sentiment

[fading vigil]

Iirc, he has his own Miro/excel/big file with all the EE nods, so share it with someone isn’t a hard stuff

[dull marsh]

I mean he's fine if it's never solved, so with that in mind I don't see much reason why he would have to give it to someone else 😄

[quasi path]

And to the completeness of the game (but I weight that a lot less)

[quasi path]

Yes but us never knowing if the last update broke it and not knowing if anyone at embark knows its broken and needs fixing causes community unrest/bad sentiment for EEhunters, that could EASILY be avoided if he passed it on, and they were able to confirm it

(Sorry, misworded something so edited)

For all we know, it could have broken the week rob left, some chain of interactions we need, and no one at embark knows cos rob hasnt passed it on, and we are here wasting time endlessly on it vs doing something else.

Thats not a good position to be in as an EE hunter tbh

Ama stop rambling now though 😆

I know this is super subjective and likely contentious topic and ive said enough.

[dull marsh]

That would apply to other ingame EEs which I'm pretty sure have other people involved, the big hunt is 99% wikipedia and internet stuff

[quasi path]

I disagree, all the EGs I think are most relevant (say, BO zombies, BF4 EEs etc) all had people actively working on and maintaining them. (There were times when things would bug with the phantom EE and needed patching....as a very relevant eg) and this gave EE hunters confidence that certain things were solvable still.

Id agree with you in the age of offline EEs. But these are complex live service EEs that need crazy interactions and planning and often maintaining. Not knowing if this particular type of EE is still dooable, is not a common situation, id argue.

Things like

Triggerable events spread across maps and other variables that rob has hinted at and we have had a (1 map contained) version of already (see dolphin EE)

When talking about BF4 complex EEs and map triggerable interaction type EEs Rob has compared parts of his EE to that and made out that this EE is way crazier in those aspects.

Either he was misinforming us, or, his EE involves very very complex map intractable (as in, takes place in game) triggers, that are way more complex than the megaladon for eg, and take place spread across different maps and their variants......

That shit need maintaining.

BF4s needed it and patching, then something way more complex spread across multiple maps does too.

Unless im just being really stupid (very possible, happens multiple times an hour 😆)

Okai i SWEAR ill stfu now

[silk wolf]

Sorry yall I was drunk and mad as hell in the practice range tryna figure stuff out for like 2 hours lmao

I literally had a dream that the roses were in a tree

I’ve been looking at game assets daily tryna piece stuff together

[silk wolf]

That’s why I said where’s his sister lmao she’s the only other person who knows how to solve the big whoop

[robust junco]

Like the pr update messed the roses up somehow. Like rob had his employees fix that. So its definitely possible he needed someone to maintain it

[silk wolf]

I was gonna rant again but I decided that we should all just spend hours on the miro board until we get the hamster to start spinning again

[silk wolf]

I feel like the finals needs its own mrroflwaffles lol

[soft socket]

If I'm not mistaken I think he said with the clues, his sister could work it out (or his GF) or maybe I'm mixing up two quotes?

[soft socket]

Exactly this.

[soft socket]

We have/have had them, my personal fav was RockhoundBlack, but there are up and coming EE/lore explainers atm :)

[odd sequoia]

To my understanding, the roses Easter egg is the biggest in game Easter egg he’s worked on. If I remember correctly, no one knows it except him and possibly Stigson who (if he knows) only placed things. I could be wrong though.

[dull marsh]

I think you're confusing the last part with the 3HM? I remember Rob saying he just told him where to place them, if the roses EE is that big I would be very surprised he did it all by himself

[odd sequoia]

Ah true! That was 3HM for the placement bit. My apologies. Although unfortunately the fact remains that, at least as far as I understand no one else knows it.

[odd sequoia]

That’s kinda my worry. If only he knows the steps and other employees just placed things etc. No one would know if something broke along the way.

[robust junco]

Yup

So I think embark needs to specifically clarify this soon, bc if not, then we are gonna lose hunters and our joy and certainty, and if we lose that, then its just never gonna happen realistically. So we kinda need Embarks attention and ask them to clarify this. They dont need to reveal anything just that there is people constantly maintaining Rob's work and EE's for us. Or just somehow have rob join in the EE with us. Or have a mediator to give them clues, then they paste those clues here. Otherwise just have rob try the stuff out to confirm it works and sends a verification every month

How do we get Embark's attention for this?

[quasi path]

We could petition and ask Plume very kindly to raise it?

Or just continue to be vocal, point it out whenever we feel that uncomfortableness.

If the CMs are doing their job well, they will scrape community sentiment and see that mixed in and action upon it.

[alpine junco]

ask a fellow Embark employee who knows Rob well enough to ask him

[robust junco]

Does anyone have contact with Rob? @crisp eagle or @dull marsh ? (Sorry for pinging)

[dull marsh]

Not that I know of

[robust junco]

If Embark reads this, we can like constanlty bring this up

[quasi path]

Initial reaction is: I dont think us contacting Rob is the best route tbh.

[robust junco]

Idk pin, or ping, or paste it to keep it prevalent enough that they read it and see the support behind it

[alpine junco]

the last "hint" we had from Rob

[quasi path]

We know they do read it periodically, eg. Plume reacts.

Not sure if that means she checks everything when she comes in and catches up, or if she just reads a few recent ones and then engages with whats activly being posted.

[robust junco]

So we paste or pin it?

[alpine junco]

this one as well, guess there is more than one hint

[robust junco]

Also I know ardy is friends with him on discord, a stretch but maybe he can reach out respectfully and to the point within boundaries for everyone to be comfortable. Bc we need to make sure everyone including Rob/Embark/us is comfortable, but simultaneously we need to make it clear and be firm what we need

[dull marsh]

I would honestly avoid that, as much as I love EEs and want to solve them, I think it's better to respect boundaries, if he doesn't want to engage here anymore then it is what it is

[robust junco]

Has he said that?

[quasi path]

I honestly think we try via embark 1st, set a goal/date so its not endless, and then resort to this (if at all - just due to unclarity of curcumstances around him leaving)

[dull marsh]

No but if he wanted I think he would have already?

[alpine junco]

oh, we also have to find that one castle in Germany

[silk wolf]

I think we just gotta look at old clues again and just hope new wheels start turning

[quasi path]

This doesnt solve some of the issues we're discussing

(Like confidence in them being solvable)

[robust junco]

Probably, like I said I'm not trying to make anyone uncomfortable or push boundaries. Just think we should be proactive about confirming this stuff

[alpine junco]

i've taken such a big break from this i forgot we never solved this

[robust junco]

What is it

[quasi path]

Agreed, I personally feel like we are starting to need clarity on old EEs, and if new EEs are a continuation, cannon of old ones etc, we need Vaiiya C L A R I T Y... sorry, dont know what came over me there for a sec... I just really think we need that communicated to us via Embark, and for us to exhaust all routes with that 1st.

[robust junco]

Where did peaches go....

Did he change his name?

Or leave?

[crisp eagle]

Not me personally, but I know some who were before the separation and he hasn’t responded. I assume he gave up access to that specific account. I don’t wanna pry either. He would make his presence known if he wanted to haha
CNS 4 LiFE

[dull marsh]

Spelled Pietjes

[robust junco]

Thx I couldn't find him

[crisp eagle]

Are we freaking going for it?! Ya’ll tackling L3?

[dull marsh]

Yes we're solving it tonight

[swift mulch]

Ez

[crisp eagle]

Calling into work now. I’ll get the OSPUZE. eGGz

[robust junco]

Can we ask plume directly

Or an embark worker

Within boundaries ofc!

[odd sequoia]

I really don’t see why that would be wrong necessarily.

[robust junco]

[alpine junco]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hohenzollern_Castle

i have a feeling this is the castle

[robust junco]

Idk i feel like everyone tries to avoid talking directly with embark. Pinging I totally understand avoiding. But I think this is important enough where enough of us want this to be in their attention somewhat as soon as possible......

[robust junco]

313? 3rd of 3. 3 1/3

[robust junco]

I wanna know what everyone is thinking tbh.... like what can we do within the next few days

[odd sequoia]

Yeaaaaa I’m not understanding that either? I could understand pinging or harassing them for hints etc. obviously that’s bad.

But at this point all I personally want is just for them to say “hey these Easter eggs still work, we’re maintaining them” or “they’ve been disabled/were not sure if they work”

I don’t think that’s unfair to ask.

[alpine junco]

zollern > solarium > sun

[swift mulch]

I think you should not be worried too much, and we should not reach out

[quasi path]

I feel like maybe an open letter to plume/Embark might work

If we take the time to gather and agree on our main points and wording

[odd sequoia]

Why is asking for just a simple yes or no if they still work so bad?

[quasi path]

If we show that we actually really care and reason our issues and why, maybe it'll show that we are genuinly asking for a good reason, and be taken more seriously

[swift mulch]

Why would you assume they don't work anymore?

And like, yea you can always write Embark an actual letter and see if they get back to you

[quasi path]

An open letter

[swift mulch]

But all the pinging in Discord because we panic over nothing confirmed yet is just not the way to go I think

[odd sequoia]

Because like I said earlier, other than Rob we don’t know who (if anyone) knows about the in game Easter eggs. Particularly the roses in my case. If something breaks (which it has before) and no one is maintaining it, how would we ever know? There’s no harm in asking.

[quasi path]

We'd maybe write out a text document, and post it here eg.

File upload

Dear (tag plume and all cms) please read this important open letter from the community to Embark, from (tag all contributers to letter)

We only do this once, and pin it

[snow walrus]

ask what

[quasi path]

If we get no acknowledgement at all after say, a week, multiple members of the community copy paste it

[swift mulch]

I'll just repeat myself if I reply to this. There's no reason to assume that any of this will not work anymore, or that nobody at Embark knows about these easter eggs and will accidentally remove / break them.

[quasi path]

Not to assume, but to be concerned about, there are lots of valid reasons.

[dull marsh]

That sounds like a terrible plan ngl

[odd sequoia]

But we know it’s broken before and he had to have someone fix it. He’s also never mentioned anyone else having the knowledge to trigger it to make sure it works.

[quasi path]

Just a suggestion to start the ball rolling on how to possibly approach them showing we seriously care

Happy to hear others

[swift mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/carta-handwriting-calligraphy-gif-14771338

[odd sequoia]

For what it’s worth, I don’t think it’s a bad idea. 🤷‍♂️

[quasi path]

I think having something to focus around, like a letter, that clearly and digestibly states our points, gives us utility.

If we want people to join our cause and understand quickly, link em the letter.

How do we get the top YT EEhunters involved and give em something to display? Link and talk to em about the letter. Etc etc.

Gives a bit more utility than just a discord msg would.

(We'd likely have to host it somewhere, like we do with the mirroboard stuff)

But doesnt have to be an open letter

If Rockhound were still around for eg, id maybe suggest a video made by him, instead, would be better.

[odd sequoia]

Maybe for now we can just try and ask on the next Twitch stream

Although I’m not against something more official.

[quasi path]

I don't think they (understandably so) respond well to chat spam

And I doubt one of us asking, something so long and complex, would get noticed/read.

We could maybe focus efforts to get a Q answered for the next AMA

[odd sequoia]

We could start small with a simple “hey, are past in game EEs still being actively maintained?” Nothing crazy.

[quasi path]

Hey, that sounds dooable. Wanna try next stream and report back to us?

(If not im happy to try but probs best if someone else tries tbh 😆)

[odd sequoia]

Gladly!

[odd sequoia]

I mean again, it’s not like we’re harassing anyone or being rude. A simple, small, polite question. Best case we get…literally anything. Worst case, nothing and don’t ask again that stream. I’m not sure why there seems to be some consensus that we’re not allowed to speak to Embark or something. They’ve always been very kind to us.

[quasi path]

No, that suggestion you gave is great, and your idea about how to go about it is great also.

I think (sorry gamers) (with a lot of this based on my own CM experience) a LOT of the majority of the time, even good hearted requests or asks from gaming communities in general can verge over into frustrating/ annoying to recieve and often worse, sent in anger and verge on harassment.

I think a lot of us dont want to go anywhere near that territory with these CMs and devs that most have extremly positive interactions with. Nor make them have a negative sentiment towards the EE hunters so they dont abandon us.

Especially with people online and from different cultures and all sorts of ages, its really easy to go from what you think is a polite ask, to sending something that upsets or frustrates, so we are just wary for those sorta reasons.

But the way you wrote it out sounds great and I can't imagine how it would possibly cross over those lines if you ask it the way you were saying 🙂

Sorry for the ramble.

(Edited to make stuff clearer)

[odd sequoia]

You make a solid point there, honestly didn’t think of it that way.

[robust junco]

Yes

@swift mulch I understand the messages. I just got work break to read/skim through this. The reason we are concerned is bc we know updates can mess up ee. The pr for example. It ruined the roses.

But asking questions is what embark is here for. After all, the do this out of kindness and love for all this stuff. Asking questions with clear to the point questions, respect and appreciation and heck we can most definitely and should state bluntly that we dont want to cross boundaries, that we lose them and grateful just have concerns

Structure:
Greeting/appreciate/gratitude/
Set boundaries and goals and reason
Identify our concern and show it as a community not just as 3 of us, maybe all sign it or something
Make sure everything is clear
Restate our thesis or concern and end with thankfulness and appropriate conclusion once again stating we dont mean to cross boundaries

Something like that.... just what I could think of during my short break😭😭😭

Definitely want others to help and have input. By all means feel free to change. We should probably do this within 1-3 days

[dull marsh]

Do we actually know if it "messed up" the rose EE? Or was it just temporarily disabled while they were adding the PR Dojo?

[odd sequoia]

Sorry but, considering you’re a mod I feel like degrading people’s ideas is not cool.

[snow walrus]

you are just doomposting things sorry

EEs are in game

[dull marsh]

I didn't mean it in that way sorry, I just meant that about the "multiple members of the community copy paste it" which can quickly get into spamming/brigading territory

[snow walrus]

Rob was here to help more

you can still find and solve EEs

[odd sequoia]

I agree with that part, absolutely! Just want us to all be motivated

[quasi path]

Yea thatd have to be VERY carefully done.

Maybe start with one or two of the most prominent posters/interacters with Embark first week. 2 weeks after that maybe add another 1 or two to the list.

Like SUPER slow and with more than enough time to at least say 'we see this and plan on responding'

But that idea can be dropped from the letter idea as a whole.

[dull marsh]

This sounds fine to me

[quasi path]

Its more just ideas on how to capitalise on the utility we are creating with the letter.

If we just post it once, and never follow up with them if they never acknowledged it, we waste all the effort. We dont know if they missed it, or if they dont think there is enough sentiment behind it to reply, etc etc etc.

Just a way to gently communicate this is something that is ongoing, growing (if people arent already leaving) in people and we would REALLY appreciate being addressed.

Again as always, happy to hear others ideas on how to do/communicate those things (mainly, capitalise on the utility/have a plan to make sure we feel satisfied they've seen it/not missed it) // just throwing ideas out there

[fading vigil]

Also, it would be great if all the newcomers (like who appeared and settled because of wpn-x program) to find some old threads about unsolved things, read them and try out new ideas.

[white patrol]

I knew something was up so I didn't comment on it xD glad you apologized :3 hope you take it easy, frustration of not able to solve things is relatable tho, take care

[robust junco]

Ofc. Im being open and honest and vulnerable, I have been diagnosed with autism level 2, and I have hard time saying and communicating what I truly mean. And it can be prevelent sometimes more than others. Im in therapy for communication. I say this to show when I have an idea, I might not communicate the details well. So I really really really didnt mean spam or anything. I meant it like we just have a go to thing that we can paste or recommunicate or even just forward to the current messages when we see active Embark employees. And to keep it prevalent, we could maybe paste it once per day and everyone can react to it with a or a 💯, you get the idea. And i dont think it has to be once per day. Its just ideas.

Of you guys ever think I misspoke or dont understand or something worse like being offended please please tell me so I can make better or clear it up. Losing friends and acquaintances and fellow hunters isn't worth me fumbling a thought or expression. Please dont ever hesitate to correct me

(Sorry for long message)

[keen wind]

we do know that rob documented his ee stuff(to some extent), had a whiteboard for the major ones, and had said something along the lines of "if something bad ever happens to me, the people at embark will be able to figure it out from my notes"

now given embarks apparent cost cutting/company restructuring of both arc raiders and finals, who knows if they have someone regularly(passionately) checking if the ee's work like rob did but they definitely wouldn't be too lost

[odd sequoia]

That’s the one part that worries me, but your other message gives me some relief at least. Thanks!

[snow walrus]

• bring a mercenary to **defeat **you
• then the mercenary does Bloomy Salute

.. but at where exactly

[snow walrus]

also walk in the park being mentioned in the bundle

Monaco's park where the lovers hugging maybe?

[lone wave]

The walk in the park was related to 3HM tho, no?

[lone wave]

Hired gun makes me also think about the “best men” for a wedding. Since we’re talking about roses, I still think about love

[snow walrus]

3HM WRs etc.. might be connected on the higher level as we know multiple map progression exist

[lone wave]

Ok good point

[snow walrus]

what's confusing me is the bundle is paid..

but Rob hinting many stuff from this bundle

I remember that he was pointing the snake tattoo too but I couldn't find it now

[fading vigil]

Take teammate figure and manifest walk somewhere?

Iirc, Monaco cannons was shoot cause of death? What if?

[snow walrus]

or kill an enemy and do the emote at "somewhere"

[fading vigil]

Enemy not lays in paradigm of love tho

[snow walrus]

and at TGM25 Moolah went on the stage and did the BLOOMY SALUTE emote

[fading vigil]

Also, do we ever tried something to figures? We tried Barely everything with maps/loadout/throwables
but figures?

[alpine junco]

There is only one mention of Arthur Schopenhauer who has the quote “No rose without a thorn but many a thorn without a rose”

[robust junco]

Which ssn trailer had people demat mines and explosives down a floor then salute as coins explode/rain everywhere

Moolah doing that reminds me of that

[snow walrus]

s4 on fortune

but that's another emote

[fading vigil]

Or maybe we should read salute not like an emote, rather like an explosion in the sky?

(In some languages salute = fireworks)

[robust junco]

It is? But the salute is the same, and the throwing of the rose mirrors the throwing of the mines and coins

Its a stretch just an idea

[inland hemlock]

egg/burrw?

[quasi path]

What about.... player statues?

Oops, I replied to the wrong msg lol

[quasi path]

Meant to reply to this

[quasi path]

Carrying a player statue around and reviving it?
Or... showing love to an enemy you defeated with their statue somehow?

The player statues are all mid emote right?... 🤔

And we have the pic of the golden player statues...

[fading vigil]

i meant that we never experimented a lot with player statues, yes..

and it`s hard to obtain it in the PRange, but much easier with friends

[quasi path]

I think in the same season trailer mentioned earlier, we see a statue being transported and then revived?

Ill try find a link brb

Hmm, no not S4

(I know where it is in my trailer remix 😆 ama try find it in official video though and link those)

Its the bit where theyre on the rooftops of monnaco

Just noticed in the s2 trailer, when they data reshape things it turns it into the menu thats found outside the PR Caffè lol

[quasi path]

I cant find the OG trailer, I THINK it was S4 or maybe some non main trailer trailer they made for s4, as it appears in that section of my vid.
Maybe I just scrolled too fast.

Anyway, if you skip to 3:36 in this remix you'll see the scene im talking about: https://youtu.be/v0i5v9gySFc?t=216&si=-CuscDKZ6Uo_kOBi
(I cut it down also to fit the pace, so would be good to find the OG clip to see if theres substantially more)
In my scan through and up to S8 (before I went to find it in my vid) there are a few moments where it shows revive statues being defibbed. But nothing that stands out at all.

There is a clip showing bernal where a cafe menu is shown that caught my eye, then the next scene after that shows a defib. Lol. Funny coincidence.

This one stands out in my memory as I think its the fist time they showcased you could move/throw the revive statues.

[white patrol]

hiiii dread :3

I'm bit confused what are you asking here, mind explain a little? I'm confused x3

[fading vigil]

We had a lot of circling around argon.
Argon is the 3rd gas in atmosphere.
123
Nitrogen
Oxygen
Argon
?

Argon was found by:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_William_Strutt,_3rd_Baron_Rayleigh

1908–1919
Preceded by
Spencer Cavendish, 8th ‘Duke of Devonshire’

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Cavendish,_8th_Duke_of_Devonshire

who’s Alma mater is Trinity college(!)

[keen wind]

3 heavy medium? 😭

[lone wave]

3 headed monkey hahaha but yeah I always think about the same thing when I write it that way

[quasi path]

Recently thought about the tree being shown to us in the trailers - is it one on the PR? - tried putting a rose in each of it's holes it has on it - no reaction.
Nothing re the usual tests with destroying it and canister interactions either sadly 😥

Maybe it's one in the TDM or Starlight Hollow maps?

This one

Last posted by Dread as far as I can tell

Is there just 1 tree being shown do we know?

Or multiple? And if so, any of em unidentified, or, identified as the one on the PR?

[quasi path]

Bernal signs close-up .
The one I mentioned seeing in the trailer is the green one.

And google translations

(I think ((most of)) the google translations are wrong for what its worth lmao)

[eternal crypt]

Well for what its worth nopal means cactus

[quasi path]

Google is wrong/lied to me?!?!....

no wayyyyy 😆

Ty for translating 🙂

[fading vigil]

If we look on horizontal lines from the first banner - it looks like - - - . .
In Morse it is 8.

However, the spacing between long lines and the small gap between shorts can lead to TTTI in morse

[quasi path]

Are there any other café signs on other maps?

Maybe we give a rose to each sign for a sign? 😆 (yes I have pushed through the crazy stage and im solidly in the land of delusional grasping at straws) (embrace it! ✊️)

There's a lil mini 🌵 you can wear as a lower back item if I remember right

There's the ceberus skin, and cacti on bernal ofc also

[fading vigil]

also random idea.. rob posted here a while ago a Master Oogway pics.. iirc, he could walk on the top of bamboo. did we ever explored somehow a bamboo in Kyoto? Or ever stepped on top of it?
(Also fun coincidence: Master Oogway - master goo?way)

…and another crazy idea about roses:
we had 5 throwables(?) and all they are alighted in line.
We have 5 roses.
But to water them - aren’t they supposed to be in a vase?
So, we need to put roses in the throwable barrels and then water?
(Except the glitch barrel - all others should have liquids inside)

Glitch barrel can have water inside too, like any battery has (distillated but still water)

[severe minnow]

and the Glitch barrel is blue 🗿

[white patrol]

some OBVIOUS "clues" I missed in Rose EE (want to mention it, just incase people forgot etc)

• mercenary set have rose related clues as everyone knows, but word "mercenary" is literally defined as professional soldiers or private individual who fight for personal profit (money), which basically kind of like contestants? I am thinking what's the connection here with "gold" elements in the game too (contestants turns into gold coins, player statues are the same model with "mercenary set" etc)
• rob mentioned rose's metal sound is "intentionally designed" gold is considered as "transitional metal" (lustrous metals with good electrical and thermal conductivity), since gold is good/ok conductor of electicity, I am wondering the connection here with rob's "rose the generator"?

Hmmm can someone confirm whether the Rose sound effect and the player statue sound effect are the same? (I don't think it matters that much, 60%sure a lot of props sound the same, but still want to know if its true)

[alpine junco]

metal on metal

[white patrol]

sorry oil im slow :p what do you mean?

[alpine junco]

generator = metal
rose makes a metal sound

[white patrol]

ahh icic :3

[unkempt dune]

metal squared

[quasi path]

Random thought

Was any thoughts put into if each seasons sponsors were a key or code or anything?

Cant remember the specifics but, if the first season with sponsors was say, Hollow and Iseul-T, then maybe we have "H" and "I" or something along those lines?

If something like that's been discussed then please let me know, otherwise ill dig deeper into it 🙂

[snow walrus]

has anybody seen any comment about this character <-> alfa acta connection. It seems important

[velvet narwhal]

Maybe it just means alfa acta (multico in general) = antagonist

[fresh quiver]

@velvet narwhal @worn rivet you both still remember the CDU Eierhaus action last month?

[worn rivet]

Ja

[fresh quiver]

apparently...

[worn rivet]

But shouldn't this be in off topic?

[fresh quiver]

i thought i was

[unborn pilot]

do you think old EE stuff is solvable if Rob is gone and he's the only one who knew and handled those things? I look in here once in a while now but unless someone from Embark clearly said this is all still worth solving I don't see the point in wasting time on it

[alpine junco]

i think it's still solvable but it's already taking longer without him

[dull marsh]

Likely solvable imo, it would probably be obvious once the answer is found

[quasi path]

Few of us discussed it here also:
#easter-eggs message

(Rough msg link, convo may have started before that link)

[regal flower]

Thing is Rob has said it before every is out there from google reviews, in-game clues to IRL magazines

[echo dagger]

hey everyone! i’m just starting to get into the lore/easter eggs but was wondering if anybody knew a good place to start? also, are there any in games cosmetics or rewards u can earn from them? thanks!

[crisp eagle]

Welcome! https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1100745453206786078 is a good place to start for basics, and we've earned a few cosmetics so far that can be found here https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1441228962800996474

[quasi path]

If you want vids I reccomend the RockHB ones listed in the onboarding, then once they stop you could catch up with somone like @zealous magnet for more recent theory crafting.

[zealous magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/do-not-ping-me-ever-mysteriousmrenter-mrenter-themysteriousmrenter-dog-gif-1807032614263527205

second embed fail this year i'm never talking in this server again

[quasi path]

Unsub creed

[rigid adder]

Why’s he aggressive lol

Uh.. is that some Star Wars meme or reference thing ? I haven’t seen watch them

[tawny wave]

Are the Rob Files real?

Seems like they are

He hasn't been active in 4 months... SUSPICIOUS

[inland hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-paul-dano-riddler-somarra-gif-835799788689308789

[sharp flame]

https://giphy.com/gifs/son-hello-neighbor-tEk7h2pP8A54qmTrGx

[quasi path]

I think its a meme 😆
Hence my memey reply to keep the bants ™ going

[rigid adder]

What does “Bants” mean ? English isn’t my first language

[quasi path]

Sorry, banter, meaning sorta.... lighthearted teasing and joking around:) ill get a definition:)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/banter

And then "bants" became slang, both used unironically and ironically, to basically mean the same thing 🙂

[rigid adder]

Thanks

[surreal sinew]

waít when was the pr updated that broke it after he left?

[surreal sinew]

if i can get enough people to think its okay i COULD go and drop off a letter or something similar to the embark offices but i would need help writing something good and meaning full that won't sound rude

[surreal sinew]

just saying i can do this 🫣

[quasi path]

NOT an in-person letter.
That crosses boundaries (even without those intentions)

[surreal sinew]

really?
i feel like it would show meaning i mean its just a piece of paper insted digital, personally i always felt like a physical object means more than digital be that a gift or a statement

[quasi path]

Absolutely 1000% really

[surreal sinew]

wait i never saw this and i was there whatttt

[surreal sinew]

would you mind explaining why, i just don't get it (might just be me being fried cus i had nationals yesterday and my rooms in disrepair so im couch sleeping)

[surreal sinew]

does it not kinda look like a bunny with its ears crossed or a chicken/turkey or other bird with its legs tied for cooking lol

[surreal sinew]

also kyoto is one of the few maps with water on it and its been around for a while but remeber they did remove a bunch of bamboo before so might be harder to walk on now

[quasi path]

It crosses boundaries. I 1000% would not want feedback/an ask/someone letting me know that they want better communication on a specific thing, delivered to me, in person if I were an Embark CM.

We aren't delivering them a Christmas gift.

We haven't been invited or asked for this feedback.

It could scare or upset somone.

I cannot stress enough that hand delivering a letter is A) not at all what I was suggesting B) could go counter to our goals C) is a very bad idea from a boundaries perspective, and if it were to be done in 'our' (my) name, I'd immediately leave the server.

(Sorry if this comes off as harsh, but its that serious. Id have a totally different attitude, if , say Embark has invited this feedback, but given the curcumstances, I cannot stress enough how much I disagree politely with that suggestion.)

[surreal sinew]

but also aint this the ultimate pass one isnt the ultimate pass sponsored by ivada

[surreal sinew]

okay yeah thats fair but its not like im delivering it to somebodys house but yeah i get it and valid it was just an idea :/ (just fyi from what i know the CM's don't live in sweden/not needed to im also not sure if even marshall is in sweden even tho he also has the embark employee skins)

[fading vigil]

Well, the mail is made for contacting people, without awkward stalking.
It was meant to be used without “invitation” 🙂
(your monthly bills aren’t invited too, but still come every month). It’s not a personal meeting or phone call. It’s an official contact channel and public.

[quasi path]

An open letter posted on this discord (what i actually suggested) is not the same as going to someone's place of work, which indirectly let's them know that you are within range and willing to do so. It can be very worrying.
An open letter posted on here has none of the implications that visiting the studio does.
To compare the two is disingenuous. I was suggesting one, and not the other.

Your monthly bills are invited when you take product or services from a company......

Hand delivering a letter asking for more communication is not an official channel of communication.

This should absolutely not be entertained any further and I won't talk about it further than to clarify that hand delivering a letter is not at all what I was suggesting and that I want no part of it and tried to dissuade you....

Honestly insane to keep this convo going.... like... we have way more, better options.... just stop.

If this is discussed much further I will remove myself from this Discord as I want it to be VERY CLEAR that I have nothing to do with this. And I feel that this very convo could go against our goals of them seeing us as friendly, good intentioned, and worth communicating with (as communication at all comes with risk.)

[eternal violet]

countries usually have services that deliver letters for you

[quasi path]

There are countless way better other options to try and exhaust before even considering personally hand delivering.

Look, I DO get your good intentions. If we focus SOLELY on them, then hey, its a really nice gesture, it shows you care, itd be a cool experience for you and im sure in a perfect world the whole team would love it guaranteed and feel comfortable with it even if not solicited.
I just want to be realistic.

I've seen lovely stories written by fans on the sub reddit, of Dusty (cm) reaching out to them and inviting them and their kids into studio. It's not as if they arent open to inviting fans in, nor that im not aware that they do that even. But that's still very different to just turning up in person with a letter of grivience about communication which asks something of them.

Hell, contact Dusty and ask if youre okay to hand delivering and wait for her response, and im all on board.

Just please don't do it unannounced.

I know I'd be very wary if I heard it'd happened at my old studios, and I know for sure there would be some ex colleagues who would be freaked out after it (innocently and very normally/vallidly) gets condensed down to 'did you hear that some guy came to the studio with a letter asking for us to help the EE hunters?'.

Please don't.

[past karma]

It's always so interesting to hear different opinions on relatively mundane matters!

Personally, I do not see ill intentions or a basis for being worried or freaked out from receiving a well-written letter from EE community sent to a name of game studio. I do agree that walking into the office in-person to deliver a letter like this is way too much and breaks some established in the society boundaries, but sending it through a postal box does not feel wrong to me.

If it's a well-written letter that does more that expresses our demand for guidance, that is...

In any case, I myself don't see any necessity in such letter. It's not like we have tried everything and anything, it's just that due to relatively small community it's relatively hard to remain active while gathering enough people to test different things and continue to dig deeper. I'm sure we will have progress sooner or later

[past karma]

And again, personally the last part about "Did you hear that some guy from EE community delivered a community-made letter to our office!" sounds exiting, absolutely a highlight of the day. But I get your view and your position

[fading vigil]

Well, the office isn’t a hidden place, and you literally can google address and find it right on the official webpage.
And leave the letter at the reception is ok as for me. You’re not rioting, breaking the door or doing anything “worrying”.
But I only was talking about sending it, not deliver on foot by yourself.
But in online era, I think making sort of online petition with “votes” counter is the best option, imo.
Literally, you can see the size of community for whom it matters.

[surreal sinew]

I don’t know if you know this but I just live here and they know me I went to the pre dreamhack thing in gallerian (where Rob personally gave me the first signed can of ospuze) I went to dreamhack and heck Iv even had a damn dev over for dinner (how I got cb1 keys) it’s not malicious I don’t like how u phrased it like I am in range like I’m a danger like Iv lived here for most of my life. I would also say that hand delivering is less of asking for communication than a message they can reply to because they can ignore a discord thing and say they never saw it but with mail they at least know they have it and fyi the doors to the HQ are closed I would either have to speak to somebody before hand or get attention of somebody inside there and fyi my first reply about this topic was not about what u sent I was saying I can do a letter but originally I was replying to @robust junco

(Just read ur message before sending unaware of any more speaking)

[surreal sinew]

Oh and ur thing about official channel the rob leaving was through a news thing not an official channel and embark never confirmed that news letter when we asked about it so for all we know that might just be bs(not saying it is)

[surreal sinew]

I agree about that it should not be a first thing to do but let’s be honest we have tried getting clarification a bunch atp

[surreal sinew]

I would contact dusty first ofc if not just to be able to deliver but I (us we whatever u call it) would not phrase it as a letter of grievance I would never go with a letter just about complaining but I see no issue with a bit of questions and or wishing for clarification I would not call asking for clarification as grieving

[sharp flame]

I'll give my take on it briefly - there are definitely ways of getting Embark's attention to the matter, but I don't think it's as serious as you make it out to be. We're yet to be 1 Season without Rob, and it's not like this specific EE has a time limit

[surreal sinew]

Im unsure how mailing them works I haven’t mailed a bunch in my life I was just saying what I know to do and like I said this would not be a first resort

[sharp flame]

Please don't argue about sending this thing. It's a decent idea that should be considered months from now.

I can just feel that it's not the right time right now.

[surreal sinew]

But I do think that sending stuff in discord then doing smth like a letter would be annoying it’s kinda like one or the other and I feel the one with more effect would be a letter hand delivered or not

[surreal sinew]

That’s a valid thing to say I agree but how long is not the right time

[sharp flame]

months, like I said haha

if we reach a second season without EE interaction, I can imagine we can have this discussion then.

[surreal sinew]

(Don’t wanna seem impatient cus I know ee takes time and I’m fine waiting but I just want any clarification because I don’t like how we where left in the dark)

[sharp flame]

but rob leaving is relatively fresh. for an oldhead like me, anyways 🤣

[surreal sinew]

I might be stupid lol

[sharp flame]

I've been here since Season -1, and we often went a looong time without any help

[surreal sinew]

Maybe who knows

[surreal sinew]

Yeah I was staying up to date with messages back then (didn’t interact cus shy) but then took a long break till after tgm when rob gave me a hint

[sharp flame]

That's my take, anyways. Plus, I think the people at Embark deserve some time to start working on their own EE, or to step up to take over Rob's EE hunt

Rob had years to plan his... we should give them a Season or two at least

[surreal sinew]

Ye I just said I could cus idk how mailing would work and even if it where to be mailed I would have the cheapest price if it comes to that

[surreal sinew]

I mean clearly they have done ee stuff going on with plumes hunt for example but yeah some more time is fine

[sharp flame]

Exactly! But Plume is not Rob. Plume has not really touched anything of Rob's, and she made that part clear.

[surreal sinew]

Yeah also can somebody clarify the broken rose was there a second one after rob left?

[sharp flame]

was this her last message? :(

well look, you guys do what you want. You know my stance.

[inland hemlock]

Lilly said that they were going to leave the discord if the discussion on the topic continued because they didn't want anything to do with it

[surreal sinew]

i dont wanna be told im responsible for her leaving because all i did was talk i never said i would just do it if they want to not be assiciated but by speaking they are interacting you cannot expect somebody to just take whatever they say and have no defence this was not some big imoral thing to do actually imma ask dusty on stream rn

[surreal sinew]

is that not a bit of an overreaction for a hypothetical

[inland hemlock]

I get the intentions but i cannot say i like the idea, this topic is still a very hot one and we dont even have half of the full picture, hunters that wanted to leave did so already, and its fine, instead i think it would be better to catch Dusty online one day and ask her if she can verify the current status of the EEs.

In reply to your last message @surreal sinew i will not judge Lilly on their decision to leave

[robust junco]

If I understand what your saying, it sounds like you misunderstood my idea. It doesn't have to do with whether or not we solve the ee, rather if it is solvable now that rob is gone. All we need is embark to tell us that they are aware of the ee and how it works and will do their best to maintain its state for us. Because if they just make their own..... that's great and all..... but what about the several years and effort we put into robs? Not a waste, but certainly heart crushing.

[robust junco]

Wdym why did lily leave

[sharp flame]

I do understand your idea. My stance still holds.

[robust junco]

Could you rephrase for me though, I think I dont understand it...

Not fully at least

[robust junco]

Do you mean if we need help solving?

[odd sequoia]

Well, I did what we talked about

[sharp flame]

This is the last thing I'm going to say on this:

There are countless less confrontating ways to ask the same question, and we don't need to ask it this soon.

I'm absolutely sure that if they had someone at Embark who wanted to give us clues about Rob's hunt, or even someone to maintain it, they would have told us if they wanted to.

Give it a season or two before even considering sending letters or showing up in person. I don't even think we're in a desperate position. We don't need to do this.

Please don't try and counter my points, even if you believe the complete opposite of what I'm saying. All I want is to explain what I meant, not start another "discussion" on this topic in this channel.

[robust junco]

I will be just honest as you, why should that be the end of the conversation, or "discussion"??

People have a genuine concern and you say "please dont try and counter my points, even if you belive the complete opposite of what im saying". No one said that to you when you voiced your opinion yet you are saying that no one can talk about this again

[fading vigil]

Well, it’s seems like EE community bothering about further destiny of the hunt.
It’s ok not to tell what’s happened and happening rn inside embark, but we could have something like “guys, don’t worry, we’re working on that”, or “no, we don’t want to proceed with ee’s before Plume made one. Focus only on the newest”. Any answer is better than no answer.
It’s not great option to communicate with community.
We are unhappy to be in state where we are.
Basically, Rob could disappear by his own and we could be here still with rob. But knowing that someone is “on our side” gives hope.
Zero communications - give no chances.

Just my own point and thing that bothered me a lot - when “rob’s thing” happened, messages about him was insta deleted on the live stream chat. And that was “a bad message” for me. But, it’s only my vision.

[cedar owl]

Hey folks

I am looking into things on our side. I don't have answers yet, though

[inland hemlock]

Thanks Dusty.

[cedar owl]

Please, while you wait, be kind to each other and know that this is something we know a lot of work and love and time and joy has been poured into. It might not be the full thing, but the spirit of this endeavor is something important and the energy and joy and incredible collaboration you have all brought to this hunt is something wonderful.

It's emotional to me to see your passion, and I just want to say, without knowing where we can take it next: thank you so much. You're a crazy group of brainiacs. Keep your chins up!

[rigid adder]

What’s going on.. ? Please tell me the hunt and lore stuff did NOT just stop

[inland hemlock]

<@&1381951895437971456> could we get a pin please? just to show that this topic is acknowledged

[sharp flame]

Lore =/= the Hunt haha

[rigid adder]

I meant these stuff

[inland hemlock]

no, there were some talks with some community members today that wanted to reach Embark and ask about what is going on with the EE hunt, the methods that were put on the table were a bit too much, at least for me, looks like Dusty was contacted and came back to us :P

[sharp flame]

we know Rob has been single handedly been the brain behind most EE that we know, and we know he's no longer with Embark.

Any further EE would have to be handled and taken over by a completely different person.

that's a lot to expect from anyone. Big boots to fill, and all. I don't think we should expect someone to take the mantle that easily.

[rigid adder]

Sad to agree

No one could do what Rob has done

[surreal sinew]

Thanks for the clarification dusty and sorry if I made anyone upset today while not an excuse I’m not good with social skills and I’m trying to get better so sorry if anyone got upset about how I acted

[inland hemlock]

Its ok, happens to everyone and we know there was no intent to do harm

[surreal sinew]

I felt bad about Lilly leaving and went to ask dusty about this whole thing and thought since Lilly said if dusty was fine with it that she would be fine with it so I wanted to try to find out and get her back cus I don’t wanna be the reason somebody leaves TFEE

[cedar owl]

Don’t worry honey! ❤️

[surreal sinew]

(Not sure if it was cus if me or somebody else but I brought it up in egg mail and asked dusty in twitch chat to check here idk if she saw that)

[cedar owl]

Someone let me know! But you guys can always reach out! I’ll always get back to you when I can.

[sharp flame]

thanks so much dusty! It's really nice to know we can reach out :)

Rob really left an impact. I miss him ._.

[dull marsh]

Can. You. Reach. Dusty
(yes)

[inland hemlock]

wooo

[sharp flame]

I'm too lazy to make that a GIF lmao

[odd sequoia]

Thank youuuuu!

[robust junco]

Why did all of this happen on my way home from school when I wasnt available 😭😭

Im glad that this got clarification though

[robust junco]

And when and why did lily leave..... I didn't know

[surreal sinew]

While me and fish where talking and why I’m not sure but probably cus we continued speaking after she said she would leave if people talked more

[robust junco]

Was someone mean to her? Or did she just not like the conversation?

[inland hemlock]

She preferred not to be associated with the current discussion, she also seems to have past experience so i do not judge nor blame her, also i feel we shouldn't pressure her to come back

[swift mulch]

Dusty for president

[odd sequoia]

I’m just glad my idea of gently asking got something going

[robust junco]

For sure..... just disappointing. Im not taking the credit/blame for inventing the idea to reach out to embark for clarification, however to my knowledge i brought it up first on the idea for a message to be pinned or to reach out to embark in a message or something. Ppl liked and didnt like it. The physical letter idea wasn't our goal really but people seemed to take it to heart....... the conversation was not the same as discussing EE idea. Very strong opinions came up... I have a hard time understanding these things. Especially why ppl can get worked up or offended easily.... I'm not discrediting feelings or emotions whatsoever though. I think I'm just oblivious and young...

[cedar owl]

I respectfully decline

[robust junco]

Its sad. I didnt mean to make arguments or people divided

I just really wanted clarification and now we do.... but lost some people

[inland hemlock]

people come and go and come back (hopefully) :P

[cedar owl]

I’m sorry I didn’t see earlier, my friends! Don’t worry though, it’s all okay

[robust junco]

I hope so, I know its not directly my fault, but I should've presented it differently. Is anyone still friends with her?

I could say sorry hopefully

[swift mulch]

You'd make a better CX lead anyways

[silk wolf]

Don’t worry about it jiggy, you are not responsible for the reactions of other people. If they truly care they’ll be back eventually.

[sharp flame]

Rob 4 Prez

[sharp flame]

STOP WITH THE NOSTALGIA!!!

[swift mulch]

I knooooow 😭

[dull marsh]

It's okay, don't overthink too much, we all have our reasons and ways to handle things, she'll come back if she feels like it, maybe she won't and that's alright too, we all have our path in life

[fading vigil]

So, guys, big thanks to @cedar owl ! WE have the long waited answer!
For now, it hink, we can calm down, take a deep breath and try out our crazy ideas and dont forget: Science is fun when you know its secrets!

[silk wolf]

Are there any games where the concept of canisters is similarly used like they are in the finals?

[sharp flame]

plenty

obviously red explosive canisters are universal

but beyond that, interactive elements were present in a lot of shooters years ago

[silk wolf]

I feel like the origin of them might have some significance, in-game and irl

[harsh violet]

But do they have an ALFA ACTA?

[sharp flame]

HI PLUME!

[harsh violet]

Hi there!

[silk wolf]

Also the fact that a lot of the arena assets have information on them makes me feel like theres something also there.

[white patrol]

what happened during my sleep? ;o;

[fading vigil]

Nothing big, Rin) just Embarkers showed us that we are not forgotten

[white patrol]

ohh oki :3 thanks for the summary 8!!

[rigid adder]

EVERYTHING

[swift mulch]

How dare you sleep

[harsh violet]

"Who dares disturb my slumber?"

[surreal sinew]

do you know what the rest of the lyrics in the dragons claim song cus i hear that but not whats next

[surreal sinew]

(is it just me who is sus of the alfa acta logo cus robs dissun)

[snow walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-sleep-sleeping-slumber-who-gif-20243460

[harsh violet]

I do!

This is pretty easy to find haha

[surreal sinew]

you mind sharing i couldnt figure it out when listening

[surreal sinew]

tnxs

[harsh violet]

Just stay safe from the fire...

[white patrol]

I'm sorry eni 😭

[hard current]

Ooo nice to catch up in here

At the end of the day… Rob said it could allll be done without him 🫡

[robust junco]

Wdym

[buoyant nymph]

What's the status on the egg hunt these days?

[surreal sinew]

Rob had dissun role as a hint for a long long time

[harsh violet]

[crisp eagle]

Cool. So we’ve missed something

[white patrol]

does anyone else see a rose (flower part) if we invert the Dissun icon?

[inland hemlock]

yuhu

[inland hemlock]

like this eh?

[white patrol]

xDD oh so it's old information I see :3 this is materpiece drawing btw

[inland hemlock]

nono, maybe it was mentioned before but i just made that hihihi

[white patrol]

I assumed it's old because I did NOT expect you finish a whole masterpiece in such short period badgy 😭 wth, also hihiii :3

[inland hemlock]

thank you thank you, soon it will be exposed in museums with a predicted price of 12€ and a bagel

[white patrol]

cost my whole life savings and my food, makes sense

[fading vigil]

New branding for secret ospuze herbal tea?)

Power is power.
But tea is tea.

Did we have hydra q thread? Or is it forgotten already?

[fading vigil]

Looks like hint to go dive to alfaacta.net again..

[crisp eagle]

I don’t think we had a thread. They never really gave us much on that sponsor. It just kinda fell off

Maybe there’s something sneaky in here

[crisp eagle]

Someone with super computer skills hop on it! I couldn’t see anything, but I’m also stuck at work with just a cellphone as my hunting device

[inland hemlock]

is there an HQ version or only the one you sent?

[crisp eagle]

Some kind of logo appears over the other one in the top right corner around 3 seconds

Hard for me to get a good screenshot of it

[crisp eagle]

Try the one on AlfaActa.net. I just had to record it with my phone by screen capture thingy on iPhone

Might just be doubling the same logo, but it looks a little different to me. Could just be distortion effect too though.

Looks more like an X than the original toxic type logo

[inland hemlock]

6

[crisp eagle]

This description also has me sus for some reason. 25:1

[inland hemlock]

higher quality version

[fading vigil]

Get ready your kitchens, fellows!
We’re going to cook again!

[crisp eagle]

Where did you see the 6?

Meaning where on the video? I also see the 6 haha

[inland hemlock]

shall we make a thread?

@crisp eagle gonna post it in a sec

around 0:07 on the left wing while its descending

[crisp eagle]

Alfa Acta Dragon

Didn’t know what to name it for now

[inland hemlock]

i think its perfect

[crisp eagle]

Send that video and image then we can have someone pin them

[mental orchid]

67 dragon 💀

I am sorry my first message back in EE is that. But that's a nice find.

[fading vigil]

0:01 - six is visible too

[fading vigil]

How Plume can like dragons, if they hasn’t have feathers?!

[inland hemlock]

what about feathered dragons???

[harsh violet]

You have no proof!

[fading vigil]

They are chickens!)

[inland hemlock]

oop true ig!

join us plummmeeee #1507394441252704366 spectate the madness :P

[fading vigil]

But if I have enough Benzene?)

[quasi path]

Heyo, I'm back. I heard that Dusty came and gave a little announcement that theyd (Embark) heard our convo, and;
as the main reason for me leaving was
I didnt want Embark to think I was tied to the hand delivered letter, after I'd suggested an open letter posted here,
and Dustys msg meant that was no longer being considered,
and as long as everyone follows Dustys advice re being kind- I'm happy to be back 🙂

Ty to those who reached out, it was really sweet

Did I miss anything?

[inland hemlock]

Welcome back! dw, your situation and decision was understood, ITS TIME TO JUMP BACK IN THO!!! #1507394441252704366 GET IN HERE!!!!

[harsh violet]

You are back just in time!

[crisp eagle]

Yes! Get in here, soldier! We need more eyez

[quasi path]

Did your logo flashing up in the dev dairies lead anywhere? I still wanna know of i should spend time on that 😆

[fading vigil]

Plume, Plume, Plume!
6 and c, can it be a 6 degree Celsius?

Oh, nvm, we got another good clue already ahaha

[sharp flame]

asking Plume about every connection we make is gonna make her go crazy 😭

[fading vigil]

Well, you know.. it works in both ways 🙂

[rugged breach]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1507394441252704366 added to #1336838311305810130 under Media, Misc

[crisp eagle]

I was about to message you haha

[rugged breach]

https://giphy.com/gifs/nqYXNf3aK6EvK

[white patrol]

I had no idea you left lily 😭 welcome back

[quasi path]

Not a big deal, I only announced to clear up a small ammount of confusion as to why, and thanks , let's get these eggs hunted

[surreal sinew]

i have a simple message no exuses just im sorry

[quasi path]

Aww. I appreciate you saying that, but we cool. Let's get hunting!

[silk wolf]

Yall seen the new clip they dropped?

[quasi path]

#1507394441252704366 that one? 🙂

Or https://youtube.com/shorts/c9mKHXnCmNI?si=Z7NK9wlajzy9MZDv

?

If the latter, I was reminded of my scroll through earlier seasons and the Vegas discussion around signs ngl 😆

(Around here: #easter-eggs message)

[silk wolf]

The one where it all started

[soft socket]

So, this, just to make sure I'm following you? :)

#easter-eggs message

[silk wolf]

Yeah

Why do they show that blue logo when it wasn’t even in season 1 🤔

[soft socket]

It's shown in the S1 trailer stuff.

[silk wolf]

Maybe there’s more to it

[soft socket]

Loads of sponsors and lore stuff was shown early on that isn't a propper sponsor yet (or never made it)

[silk wolf]

I’ve seen the list of other sponsors but it’s weird that they’d just show that one and not the others

[soft socket]

I can't recall which sponsor logo that is, but they don't just show that one, they show others in that throwback/the OG trailers :)

(also show dissun, holtow, iseul-t etc etc )

[silk wolf]

Apparently it’s called cometa

[soft socket]

ahh yea, the blue put me off, but the S1 logos are weird colours lol

Red Iseul-t.... just no.. ewwwww lol

[silk wolf]

I actually really like that iseult color way lol

I’m gonna run the video through davinci and see if I can spot anything

[soft socket]

Cometa

[soft socket]

BLASPHEMY!!!

||yeahh me too. Looks siiick lol||

[sharp flame]

the beta trailer literally has that exact sequence of logos

[sharp flame]

this is from the beta trailer, that's where the red iseult comes from

Re: CALLING ALL EE HUNTERS! ACTIVE HUNT FROM PLUME!

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1507394441252704366

we are THIS close to solving the first stage

[surreal sinew]

its such a fucking vibe

[sharp flame]

S1 music is so nostalgic to me

I hope they go back to it in S12

[surreal sinew]

cb1 is for me XD

the gui was so bad but also the best

[snow walrus]

Seems like a leet word to me

[surreal sinew]

dangint i cant come rn

[knotty orbit]

I was playing ranked today when I saw this , thought maybe ask you guys if it's an EE ?

Why can't attach photos?

[inland hemlock]

hey! you need to be contestant role in order to post images

[knotty orbit]

Can I DM you?

[inland hemlock]

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[fresh quiver]

you could upload it to Imgur and send the link here

or send it to one of the green roles with the request to post it

[inland hemlock]

Either imgur or i will gladly send it for you!

[knotty orbit]

Sure one min

[inland hemlock]

take your time!

by @knotty orbit

yes this sure is one of the EEs! kyoto has these floppy disks in some trees

[knotty orbit]

Oh ty

[inland hemlock]

Its a reference to monkey island and the "Disk 22" although im not sure we have ever connected it to anything else, you can read more about it here https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1252315342328565760 in the pinned messages (you might need the contestant role to access threads)

[knotty orbit]

Ty again ❤️

[inland hemlock]

a pleasure!

[cold heart]

😄 good to see this again.. i was actually wondering if it was still here, or if it was seasonal, because the trees change color

felt like i havent seen it in ages! ❤️

[inland hemlock]

i wasn't too much into the disk search, but i agree, feels like an old friend showing up again :P

[sharp flame]

I remember it like it was yesterday

[surreal sinew]

man i really missed the good times of tfee :c

why did i take a break 😭

[sharp flame]

GOOD PROGRESS

[unkempt dune]

I must have missed it, but apparently jiangsuromagna.net was registered on the same exact day as alfaacta.net last year

[surreal sinew]

its not active XD

[sharp flame]

EE WAS SOLVED! FORGOT TO POST HERE

[surreal sinew]

was that the full ee or is there more?

[silk wolf]

I feel like we need to figure out what the vaiiya squares mean

[rigid adder]

Lots of 67

https://tenor.com/view/teambestb-gif-20183486

[surreal sinew]

well we need to dig into dissun

[sharp flame]

what made us look into dissun?

[surreal sinew]

rob said now we know where to dig

this message @sharp flame

and this one

[alpine junco]

and 2 years ago was this image

[surreal sinew]

yee

[alpine junco]

and 4RCUS

[fading vigil]

I’m still believe that A LOT of clues still there

Burrw high res, more multico docs…

[alpine junco]

100%

[severe creek]

actually, with the multico files, did we ever decide who L was in "L Lies?" Could it be Loretta mentioned in the recent Alfa Acta email release?

[fading vigil]

Wasn’t we considered about Lapis?

[severe creek]

it was considered yes, but I think it was iffy because of it not following S = Sofia (first name) and L = Lapis (Last name)

[fading vigil]

But we don’t have enough statistics to be sure that only first name used)

I’m not a big lore guy, so idk, maybe it can be another persona. Truck and Loretta is “new”

[severe creek]

oh definitely, it's all just speculation until concrete facts are implemented. But also with so many undiscovered clues with the multico docs still being MIA, there is the chance that these people aren't new, just new to us.

[full plinth]

you made me think that rob was back :(

[quasi path]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ByrguCGkvDE?si=dSbh9MvHlTmCsR__keyboard numpad symbols...

Also the loading tip is the one about player statues...