beta-discussion

[sullen relic]

I'm a little in two minds about how to feel about more wax spots being added. On the one hand, it's to balance out the drop in candles with the way the chevron system currently is...but on the other, the places where the wax gets added to has the potential to prolong candle runs even further. I guess we still haven't seen what other things are being implemented as part of the CR overhaul, but there's a potential drawback depending on how it's done.

[lyric kite]

One thing they could do is maybe add some wax in the places where old seasonal spirits from before Enchantment used to be. A lot of those are kind of empty places that new players are always asking "what is this random tunnel with nothing in it for?" and stuff like that. Maybe put some wax in those to give it a new purpose other than just when those spirits come back as TS

[mighty sedge]

Forge system would increase the total gained immediately, circumstantially but indeed delay the full run depending on how sparsed these waxes are

[slim kayak]

oh, i didn't think of that spear. adding more candle spots wouldn't necessarily deter candle runners from running every realm. they might just run for longer to feel like they've maximized their earnings for the day

[gilded talon]

I’d really want to see more candles in Isle. it’s just such a beautiful place to explore and hang around and have fun, however people don’t go there anymore once they are past the moth stage cuz there are so little wax there and no quest there at all. That’s sad Vault at least get visited because of occasional quests but Isle

[random gull]

more wax past the 8 player gate and vault definitely needs love too. there’ used to be more candles there and I occasionally go to those old spots out of moth instinct even though it’s been AGES since they got removed

[slim kayak]

why did those candles in vault get removed in the first place?

[random gull]

I honestly don’t remember. it’s been so long

[tiny umbra]

Vault archives, behind the boxes, just stack an entire wall of candles by the opening where the purple light usually comes through
Or lay single candles in a grid formation through the whole prairie butterfly field

[slim kayak]

the candles by the golden vase

[sick pendant]

**Isle of dawn **

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In the pointing pilgrim's tunnel/cave

That's where we are first introduced about candles, so might aswell throw some in there for ppl to practice

A cake next to the ushering spirit's initial location under the platform

Praire

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Is already full enough, thank you

Forest

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Several in the kabuki tunnel (start /middle w crab / the other end)

On the/next to Easter eggs

Valley

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Village of dreams

On top of the building right in front of the dancing performers location

Several in between the buildings of the main village

And worth of 1 full candle small groups of candles on the slides of hermit valley and the 2nd quest.

This will make players go up for the cake and slide down while collecting wax and enjoying views till the bottom

Part 2 coming soon

[drifting eagle]

thats a big wall of text

[kindred fossil]

probably for the same reason? so people force themselves less to go into vault

[sick pendant]

Sry((((

Sry guys i just started typing and got carried away

[random gull]

woah text wall probably should go in feedback channel too

[tough oracle]

It’s difficult to deter full cr runners from adding that into their runs, it’s an interesting balance that TGC is trying to strike

[vapid briar]

It shouldn't. There is a hard cap to the number of candles that can be earned in a day to preserve economic balance. In the current Live system that number is not actually achievable. With the new system, there will be more wax than the cap permits collecting, so at a certain point you will genuinely be unable to CR every single piece of wax. This means players can choose to run their favorite spots instead of the most efficient path. Of course some folks will minmax for the path of least resistance, but the focus is creating the option to do what you enjoy.

[sullen relic]

ooh, a hard cap would definitely address that concern of being compelled to try and get every last thing just because we can

[vapid briar]

We balance things in terms of the amount of time it takes to collect X amount, not necessarily just the number of candles obtained. These targets are supported by player data in terms of number of candles farmed for time played.

[random gull]

watch the sanctuary plant become a spot that isn’t frequented anymore those crabs are MEAN and skipping that plant would be a blessing

[slim kayak]

ooohhh i see. having a hard cape is a pretty good idea. please ignore the second half of my feedback then lol

[tough oracle]

Ahaha I was just thinking how in that case I’d only farm prairie (including sanct) and choose between GW and forest haha

[vapid briar]

Of course people who say, oh well it doesn't take me 4 hours to get 15 candles it takes me 2 hours, that's factored in because some people might take 6 hours to get 15 candles.

[sullen relic]

the sanctuary plant would actually be a pretty interesting example of the choices we're being offered here: you could run more spots to make up for the lost wax instead, or focus there and get the giant payout all at once (which i'd still be inclined to do so if it keeps getting merge-burned by the time i get there )

[tough oracle]

It’ll be just me and the sanct tree, although I can usually burn that in beta as well. The GW trees however.. 😂

[random gull]

last time I ran a full realm solo it took me an hour. for that one realm. I am probably one of those 6 hour candle run people if I didn’t get an uber

[vapid briar]

We'll also be looking at things like the valley races and how that plays into the system. We don't want people optimizing for doing things in a certain order because it is the most efficient.

[sick pendant]

Side note:
In my opinion the wax amount and positioning in sanctuary is perfect

P. S. Oop missed the word sanctuary

[slim kayak]

vault is such a pretty realm, but it's tedious to go through, especially since it's a one way trip. i'd like for there to be more things to do there (already mentioned in feedback). please add more trees i like trees

[tough oracle]

Oof so the system in mind, is not simply a new forging way that’s layered in terms of how much you get. But rather a complete overhaul of the candle running system?

[vapid briar]

Related,

if we could get feedback on the look of the UI for the Daily Light system, that'd be great. I only saw a small number of folks even mention it. Just tell us what you like/don't like/find confusing/find easy to understand about it. You don't have to think of suggestions to fix it, we'll work that part out based on how you feel about it as it currently is.

[gilded talon]

Or maybe people take 6 hours to get 15 candles just because they stopped midway to play music/chat with friends, or just go on game and fall asleep with the game sounds like I do cuz I just love it

[vapid briar]

correct

[sick pendant]

Ok crazy idea

As above so below

A portal in vault that goes under 6 levels and has lots of wax

[drifting eagle]

Sorry if I am misreading, but does this mean that even if we collect every single piece of wax, some pieces won't 'count'? Like people who collect every piece vs people who leave some behind will get the same amount in the end no matter what?
(ping is off pls dont me lol)

[kindred fossil]

going into super hell vault

[random gull]

Dark go to sleep

[timid basalt]

oh right usually i leave out races until i hit 0 chevron since those give 1 full candle each
i'm usually way too tired to do them tho and just let my sky kid slide down by itself :SkyLOL: this is when i'm in the mood to do kinda full cr in beta

[vapid briar]

Creating new areas is a completely different ask than how you feel about the wax available in existing areas and would best go in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived

The idea is that people do the races because they're fun, not because they're lucrative.

[random gull]

did the circle around the chevrons disappear

[tough oracle]

They give wax according to chevrons now right? Or is it still one candle no matter the amount of chevrons? I’ve just been doing one to get to the temple hehe

[vapid briar]

You'd have to boot up the latest build and see. the Designer is making periodic changes to it. afaik the circle is still there though.

[late mountain]

I’m very interested to test this system out more in the off season, where quests are worth wax rather than seasonal candles. I understand for now season testing is much more important for bug solving, but I feel like how the off season works will be a vital part of this system too when we get the chance to see how it feels.

[tough oracle]

Not sure, but they’ve gotten less flashy in your face bouncy click me like. If that makes sense

[vapid briar]

Quest rewards won't impact the buff system.

[timid basalt]

haven't tried the races lately tbh
i just shortcut from social to village to stadium if i want the wax at the end

[vapid briar]

same for new players who get the candle reward for collecting a non-seasonal expression for the very first time.

[sick pendant]

I usually skip Isle bcuz it's a long long way till u reach the wax and the amount isn't much.

I also sometimes skip vault for the same reason. Ive already suggested some new locations for isle. It's understandable tgc can't put much candles there right from the start bcuz moffs will get confused.

But as if vault...

[vapid briar]

not all light in the game is earned through the same system, there are underlying systems that determine different rewards value vs wax pickups from candles.

[slim kayak]

i used to do the races pretty often. now i don't like going through them, and really, i'm not sure why anymore. it's not really about the candle for me. i'm glad that the new candle system addresses this feeling of obligation, but i wonder if there are other ways to engage more players with the races, or even vault

[late mountain]

So they’ll still give a single candle regardless of chevron level and candle collection hard cap?

Also good morning everyone! Well anyone it’s still morning for otherwise good afternoon!

[opaque swan]

I can't play live or beta without a complete crash to the entrance of vault, sanctuary and scattered areas across the whole game, it's become an issue but I can't say if it's a bug or not

[vapid briar]

The best incentive is always going to be what the reward at the end is, whether that items or currencies.

[spark lance]

I really like the buff system though cause at least I can speed up my candle runs

[slim kayak]

crashing is definitely bug report worthy

[vapid briar]

fill out a bug report, the team can determine if it's a bug or not. If you're unsure, always err on the side of caution and report it as a bug.

[sick pendant]

Fun fact:
Sanctuary islands alone have more wax and the same amount of wl than the whole realm of vault

And that's exactly why I love sanctuary

[tough oracle]

Yea I was just thinking, in the end for many full time players the pressure will come more from being able to buy your fav ts items for sure. Idc if I do a 10 candle or 18.smth candle run. I just want to be able to buy the next ts and spend some on friends

[late mountain]

How much wax is the first living of a spirit meant to give? 0.75 right?

[opaque swan]

I have the thing of that it's been going on for 3 weeks, my other device is completely fine but my phone just force closes the game if there's the slightest.. Stop? I can't describe what it is

[slim kayak]

i am scared of the day when dreams performer becomes a ts (if the new system isn't implemented by then)

[drifting eagle]

With the new system, there will be more wax than the cap permits collecting, so at a certain point you will genuinely be unable to CR every single piece of wax.
does this mean that someone who collects every available wax piece and someone who leaves some behind will get the same amount of candles regardless?
will there be a point to cr'ing every piece of wax if so?

[vapid drum]

I somehow miss the feeling i had in old beta , i played because i could hook on to friends and earned candles along the way . One thing that really was fun , were the collect the light quests . It made earning candles fun and rewarding . The dragging thing atm is burning plants with such a delay(compared to beta )that its almost like a ritual you have to do daily. I’m one of the few that play solo cause it sets my mind at ease and lessens the stress of daily life , but also love it when friends join to have real convos. It would really help if the server delays were fixed first.

[gilded parrot]

@vapid drum, to join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-signup-info! You can learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.

[sick pendant]

Won't their mother be the ts then?

[tough oracle]

And for part time runners even more. If you only pick up 10 candles a day, atm that means you cannot spend ANY candles in order to prep for next ts. With luck it’s a cheaper one that’s around a 100 candles, which means some candles to spend on friends and constellations. But with ts being closer to 150 lately it’ll still put on a lot of pressure no matter what foraging system exists

[slim kayak]

no, the dance spirit, the one with the pipa. it has 4 cosmetics

[gilded talon]

You mean the mini games?

[vapid drum]

That skater bot ??? Hahahaha, the names that pop in Alex’s mind 😂

[tough oracle]

Looking for group live will become so quiet

[vapid drum]

Yes, the mini games are great to get a daily candle amount with not to much time but socialize anyway

[sick pendant]

IDEA!!!
MINI GAMES GIVE CANDLE BUT ONLY ONCE PER DAY

[drifting eagle]

this is how it is already?

[late mountain]

It might be device, wifi or performance setting dependant too. I have mine on high performance at 60fps and the plants burn up quite well, I’m a bit iffy on if I should bug report it sometimes because they burn too quick. No matter what it is though I hope it can get better for you

[sullen relic]

to give an example of that, it's like saying that there're 500 pieces of light that can be found in the game every day, but only the first 450 you collect will actually contribute to forging candles -- the remaining 50 will either disappear after you hit 450, or they just won't count to anything when you collect them; it's specifically to discourage people from trying to go out and collect every last piece as they keep adding more wax spots in the game, so candle runs don't just keep ballooning out and getting longer (this is also so they can add new areas with wax spots without needing to rebalance the economy or chevron system all over again each time)

[lapis ore]

Ok so I just backread and I think the hard cap does help break the mindset of having to run everywhere. I burned myself out making sure I ran everywhere I could for the Feast table in live, but I think going in with the knowledge that it's okay to miss some wax helps take off some of the pressure I definitely think isle and vault could use some love

[drifting eagle]

ah, so there will not be a point to cr'ing the remaining wax if we wanted to do so. thanks! i asked twice already and nobody explained it so thank you for the clear answer @sullen relic i forgot to use the reply feature sorry!

[tough oracle]

Oooh imagine isle filled with random players like the other realms

[austere merlin]

I think this is a good change cause like ktjn said you can get candles and not get burned out

[vapid drum]

Neh , this really is a server issue , i play on 3 different devices and they all have the same thing in common. Beta server when its empty burns things down at an instant while live version i just have to keep burning to make it work , even when in group. A solo run takes me about 1,5 hours because most things are burend already. While group run takes me an hour extra because gates dont open or plants take so long to burn

[slim kayak]

I think currently, once you get to 0 chevrons, your light does count, but its so small you won't even get close to a candle. So in a way, the system already has a cap.

[gilded talon]

Me and my beta friend definitely had a whole lot of fun with the mini games when they were accidentally activated on beta. It made cr feel like a little friendly race between us, rushing to collect the lights. It takes the tedious feeling away from our routine cr. But maybe I didn’t get to play the mini games long enough to see if it could turn into tedious must-to-do tasks in the long run.

[bold moat]

I may have accidentally missed where it says this but will the hard cap be increased (as in you’ll be able to get more candles) as time goes on or will it stay at that cap for the rest of Sky’s life?

I assume it will but I don’t want to... well assume

[late mountain]

Yes assuming the hard cap is sent nice and high somewhere around 20 candles as a guess I think it’s a great idea. If it’s set to 19 i just know I’ll somehow convince myself it was to keep the prime number trend from discord going and it will mess with my mind

[sullen relic]

that's the concept of softcapping, where there isn't a specified hard limit, but the rate of gain decays so much that you've got an effective limit anyway

[gilded talon]

I remember when I was moth, although I really enjoyed flying around, having to collect wax and the urge to save candles for ts and calculate every use of them caused me to enjoy the game a lot less than I could have. I even got friends that refused my heart gift and advised me to save for ts instead, but I just really wanted to gift them

[late mountain]

How much delay are you usually getting? That could probably still be a wifi issue if they’re all with you on the same wifi. Or it could be a mix which is where things get confusing.

[craggy bloom]

I need a way to pass wind barriers soo many stuff protected by wind i wana explore more

[slim kayak]

I do hope that the candle system goes to live along with what tgc plans with the ts overhaul. I dont know what adding the cap will do with earning candles for ts in live. I'd assume it'd be the same, except for the most expensive spirits, where most players cant get everything even with 2 weeks of candle running. Or maybe its designed that way, idk

[vapid briar]

correct, that what it means to have a hard cap. after a certain point you won't be able to collect anymore. that's essentially a subtle way of the game telling you to take a break and do something else.

Keep in mind the hard cap i'm talking about Has Always Been in the Game however it is currently unachievable in Live.

[sullen relic]

i'd ask if there's a visual indicator of when we've hit the hard cap, but i'm guessing that probably hasn't been designed or programmed yet since we're not actually able to hit it yet

[late mountain]

Are we allowed to know how many candles it’s at Ktjn? Or is that private info? I assume it may be subject to change though since it will now be getting implemented as a feature?

[tender oasis]

0 chevron still counts but painfully slow (and barely visible, like citadel pole wax if its 0 chevron i dont even know if i collected it or not unless i stop on every pole) I would much more prefer a hard cap than the soft. I’m really curious what will come tho, cause a different perspective might totally change how i feel about daily lights system.

[vapid drum]

It’s not a WiFi issue since i play on several WiFi acces points that all have a good reception with no download/upload speed drops (work related ). Tested it thoroughly.

[late mountain]

How much delay would you say you usually get?

[random gull]

gp to check chevron and candle forging in beta. get distracted by bearhug fest instead XD

[vapid drum]

In getting plants burned ? In beta it goes ...burn it and its gone , in live its like burning one plant takes forever (3 -4 seconds if everything works well )

[late mountain]

Are you burning in high performance? Mine usually take 0-1 second for the server to catch on then pop in about half a second. It’s super fast with big plants since it only needs to catch on I’m burning once then each limb is half a second or less if I manage to stay on.

[vapid drum]

That’s interesting, i always use the middle performance option in game (default setting for iPhone 11 max pro and iPad Pro 11’’ 2018 )

[late mountain]

There’s 4 power modes, do you mean middle as in 2 lightning bolts are lit? That’s high performance.

[vapid drum]

I only have 3 options ?

[tender oasis]

0 -1-2-3 are the options on my ipad

[late mountain]

Ah, you’d be missing high definition mode then, the final lightning bolt. And yeah you’re burning on a lower speed then because the middle setting for you is default (sorry I forgot it was literally called default mode). That runs at 30fps while the next setting runs at 60fps. Someone did some intensive testing a while back but the basic conclusion was since the game is checking what you’re doing more it burns faster because it’s registering the candle on the plant more often. I don’t know the specifics.

The ping is at high performance 60fps though

[vapid drum]

I can turn on that option too , like , the 3rd lighting bold , but never seen the added value of it. I’m gonna try that too, thanks. But nether the less, fact is that beta servers who I are empty makes gameplay way more fluent then live server

[analog citrus]

LOL... Ktjn showed up today and chat go zooom

[late mountain]

Oh okay, the third one is good for shots and sometimes recording since it’s the best graphics, it’s only in 30fps though so it’s slower than the high performance 60fps mode server wise. I used to have it locked on my old device presumably because if I had the option to turn it on I would melt my device XD

Hopefully they can find a solution to make it more stable if possible

[desert token]

depending on whether you can access 60fps the lightning bolts will mean different things. high def mode is the second bolt for those without 60fps, while it's the third bolt for those who can access it

[tender oasis]

Ohh 2 bolt usually burns faster for me (aka high performance) or feels like it does, so it's interesting you have such a big delay even with using that. My battery and eyes hates it tho so i only use it for wasteland big plants. Also not sure if size should effect burning speed but i think chibi is faster on smaller plants than my usual giant avatar.

[vapid drum]

It’s like playing beta and why tgc needs fresh blood in the testing program. Things that are always there tend to stick to you and turn you blind cause you get used to them. That’s why it doenst really bother me to an annoying point , its just there 😂 if i got the time , i will try to make an compare vid

[desert token]

I also experience burning plants faster on the beta app than I do on the live one - though sometimes the difference is almost unnoticeable. I usually play on 60fps (high performance mode) on both beta and live too

[sand dawn]

I’ve never given it much attention as I always play on the same performance setting..
But ideally performance really shouldn’t impact burn speed

[dire escarp]

I have a feeling it may be to do with server merges.
E. G. With 8 players in live, plants burn as fast as in beta
No proof, but speculation

[late mountain]

Ooh yeah never noticed that.

On low end devices it goes:
Energy saving mode (low resolution) | no bolts
Default mode | one bolt
Boosted Def mode | two bolts

On high end devices it goes:
Energy saving mode (low resolution) | no bolts
Default mode | one bolt
High performance (60fps) | two bolts
High definition (30fps) | three bolts

[opaque swan]

I have high definition 30fps as my second bolt,, I can't get to three

[random gull]

so I just looked at mine and I have 3 lightning bolts on both my phone and ipad and WOW. I wonder if switch will have this option too

[spark lance]

can i ask what bolts you are all referring to??

[opaque swan]

Yknow the battery in settings? The different bolts are different definitions

[carmine thorn]

Due to how the switch auto clocks (cpu and gpu frequencies) depending on dock status, charge status, etc. I assume quality will change depending if docked, charging, in tablet mode, etc.

[spark lance]

ohhhh okay thanks!

[random gull]

ah minty sorry I just realized I tagged the wrong person in screenshots channel meant to tag egg

[opaque swan]

I made a mistake I'm on the low end device apparently but my game looks really clear and smooth nonless

[gilded talon]

Staying too long on one bolt or two bolt or three bolt will get my phone heated up too much and use my battery as crazy so I mostly stay on no bolt anyways

[opaque swan]

Ha I do the same, I alternate between them all depending on what I'm doing in game

[vapid briar]

We won't be disclosing the hard cap, I'll double check on what the visualization of hitting the cap looks like. It's a live game so everything is subject to change, which is why we don't talk in specific numbers. The hard cap has always been there, so there's nothing to implement in that regard. The hard cap is to avoid damage to the game economy and prevent exploitation, it's not meant to be a goal to achieve on a daily basis.

[sand dawn]

It’s probably fairly high as I recall collecting like 40+ candles a day during that event where forging candles was twice as fast.
Unless the cap was also temporary raised for that event...

[vapid briar]

Special events don't follow the same rules.

[clear dove]

so from what I'm understanding is

• there has always been a hard cap coded into the game to avoid exploitation
• max daily light total does not change, but light collected earlier on fills up gauge faster
• the cap in question is being adjusted to fit the new system

Question :) does this mean that you can still get max wax for a day without completing a full run?

[tropic python]

When the hard cap becomes acheiveable in live, it would be nice if there was a little x over the candle meter so the player knows that they've reached the limit. It would suck if you went on a full cr only to realize your last 20 minutes were useless, or if you wait a long time before converting your candles you wouldnt even know when you reached the limit.

[fathom river]

in live my hard cap is a good 5 candles cause I'm too lazy to do candle run. lol. i'm not lazy goofing off tho

[mossy glacier]

Is it still possible to get the ult? I just played again in beta lol

[plain depot]

-_-"

No need fix camera bug?

[fathom river]

yes you can. we get 25 sc candles a day.

[mossy glacier]

Thank you very much!

[wary star]

im just saying it probably shouldn't be released on switch due to modding and easily being able to download contents of the game

[fathom river]

they are currently fixing it. see #beta-announcements . you can send bug reports if you ever encounter any.

[slim kayak]

Well, no matter what platform tgc releases sky on, people will try to break tos unfortunately. But we should probably drop that topic glowkitten

Also, please dont ping people for a conversation that happened hours ago they might be sneeping or something

[finite meteor]

9:55PM moment

[carmine thorn]

It isn't that easy since there was only a 1 year window of getting an exploitable unit and it isn't that easy of a process to do it. As said earlier, we should drop the subject though. Google is your friend. 😉

[pine remnant]

Random question: are Mainland Chinese players able to join the Beta Program ? I believe they are but I just want to make sure

[vapid briar]

They shouldn't due to internet laws in China, but we know people do things they shouldn't to work around that restriction.

That being said, just because someone speaks Chinese, doesn't mean they're doing anything wrong by being in beta. It's important to avoid assuming malice or applying preconceived notions to a situation without knowing all the details. It's a slippery slope that leads to unfair stereotypes and potentially xenophobic behavior. Treat others with kindness first and foremost.

[shrewd needle]

Has anyone else had trouble with the third spirit mission which starts at the Hermit's cave? I have done that multiple times and picked up all the checkpoints, but when I go back to the main area it does that cutscene showing the air boats leading up to that area.

I have also tried doubling back and slowly climbing all the way up the mountain to the starting point, but that did no good either.

[storm vessel]

Is that the third quest? Last spirit mission you take the boat to the colosseum.

[hollow compass]

Is the timer working correctly for you?

[shrewd needle]

Yes, sorry for getting it wrong.

[shrewd needle]

All the blue slots in the circle get filled; there is no countdown on that tiny white line that goes around that circle.

[hollow compass]

Sounds like a bug. I could double check if it works for me soon, but I've already completed all quests, so I'm not sure if it will have the same result.

[shrewd needle]

Something else that is wrong on my side is even though I get told to do the mission, the girl's spirit appears grey and I get asked if I want to revive the mission.
Edit: should I make a screen video so the text and icons can be seen, then upload to YouTube and share in a report here?

[hollow compass]

Yes, that sounds like a good idea. I'm heading to the area now to check it out for myself.

[storm vessel]

Have you tried reporting back the the quest giver and claim the heart?

[shrewd needle]

Yes. When I go back to the quest giver it shows me that cutscene telling me to go up there.

[hollow compass]

Hm, I just did the race and the circle also has only the white ring for me, which I think means that I have completed the quest already. Are you able to move on to the next quest at all? The ring should be red otherwise.

[storm vessel]

Nah, there was no timer when I first did it as well, just white ring around it.

[hollow compass]

Oh, wait! I did the 2nd quest just now and the ring was red while counting down! So, something is wrong with the yeti quest, probably.

[shrewd needle]

And something else is wrong now. In the tunnel of the yeti race, the graphics went all strange. The lighting changed and something like a horizontal static bar showed up. The walls were also disappearing like what used to happen in that small tunnel up to the star child inside that small mountain in Isle.

[shrewd needle]

Hm, just looked through the reports and someone reported the same mission bug yesterday. This seriously has me not wanting to get into the season missions and spirits on live until things are fixed in beta and updated in live.

[hollow compass]

But this must have been a late bug to appear, since I haven't heard of any issues with it when the quest was new in beta a few weeks ago.

[shrewd needle]

Here, take a look at this video that I included in my second report.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PcdiwTz_oS6UKb_OAZRbTjWnjoZIQYsv/view?usp=drivesdk

[tender oasis]

I reported bugs about 2nd and 3rd quests which never happened before when i did those in the previous builds.

[wary star]

why is google my friend,,,, whos google

[storm vessel]

Your friend who is not in harmony

[gilded parrot]

I heard a great call ring out in the skies...

[gleaming yacht]

So, I only encountered the camera bug once, and all the spirits and quests seem to be working properly. Yay!

[gilded talon]

I encountered plenty of times both on Live and on beta RIP

11 bug reports handed in since yesterday lmao

[kindred fossil]

i encountered in prairie only but can't get a recording

[gilded talon]

Most of my recordings were from Prairie, and I got some in Valley too. Now I turn on in-game recording once in a while when I do cr just in case I should encounter some bug. And if I didn’t, I could always choose not to save the recording anyway.

[gleaming yacht]

I observed that the bug happens briefly whenever the server merges. For example, it occurred in the Sanctuary crab cave after the large plant disappeared, and the Valley ice rink after the seasonal candles suddenly lit up.

[gilded talon]

Yes mostly, but there are also some cases where I don’t see clear server merge signs but I still got camera lock. Dunno if it could be caused by anything else other than server merge

[gleaming yacht]

At least the spirit and quest spirit bug in the village of dreams is fixed (based on my observations yesterday and today)

[gilded talon]

Oh I didn’t think of testing the Dreams spirits and quests, maybe I should do it at a later time. I still got the “gondola freeze” thing on beta tho.

[tender oasis]

Quests weren't working properly for me yesterday, but spirits did.

[gilded talon]

I guess the beta experience could also vary a lot depending on what time of the day you play too since we got a much much smaller player base than Live.

[gleaming yacht]

Exactly.
However, I find a trip to the office a quick method to test the spirit bug fix. You see, the spirits get affected by it and become blue lights wandering around the activation point, while this fix causes them to work properly.
Also did a new spirit become added in the office or had I not seen it before? A spirit whose phone is ringing
oh nvm I just checked and it was already there

[gleaming yacht]

w h e r e a r e t h e p e o p l e

[lavish hill]

Hello there

[radiant drum]

Beta channels get a lot quieter once the season is out in the live version

Hope everyone is having fun testing! This is one of those super important but not exactly super exciting features we get to test

[hollow compass]

Speaking of which, I got the camera glitch again just now in Sanctuary. 😕

And I got company by Chill Sunbather all the way to the geiser up to the quest giver.

[valid terrace]

aaaa I’m feeling drained
I want to do Beta stuff but I feel drained

[random gull]

got the camera freeze in butterfly fields in prairie again. and immediately after my friend server split from me

[sullen relic]

no camera freezing for me so far in a session with 6-8 players, but we had a couple of nasty splits where everyone got thrown into their own instances

[gilded talon]

Take a break if you need to. Health is much more important

[random gull]

no splits or camera freeze in any other realms with just the two of us but I did merge with a friend several times who was running solo I didn't go into dreams village yet for testing today. might do that later

[sweet mist]

you could adopt this philosophy for the trials 👐🏻

[random gull]

Lotti the reply feature does have the option to turn off the ping before you send it so you know for the future. the post you replied to was from about 16 hours ago and people generally prefer not to be pinged long after the conversation has ended here.

[faint rose]

Have we gotten any word on when the next of the ascended capes are to come to live?

[random gull]

no info yet! It'll probably be in #news or the patch notes when it does arrive. Beta testers really don't know when things will happen ahead of time though. We just test until the need for testing is over so our schedule is even less predictable than live

[faint rose]

Thank you!

[wary roost]

am i the only one who cannot login beta right now

[random gull]

I was able to log in about 2 hours ago hold on lemme check right now

yeah I was able to log in just now and landed in homespace where at least 4 of my friends were logged in already

[wary roost]

thank you so much

[tender oasis]

Camera lock didn’t happen at 7-8 person groups today, but did 2x with 3-4 person ones one in sanctuary one in ark.

[random gull]

yeah. camera lock happens a LOT to me solo. and happened twice in prairie butterfly fields with just one friend. I haven't gone in a big group since the patch though

[mossy glacier]

I think cam lock (and spirits not loading in live) is affected by server merging

[shrewd needle]

You know... All of this talk about server merging and switching really makes me feel bad. Back when I joined late beta in June 2019, there was no server switching AT ALL. The server problems started when Android was added to beta, then to live, and have only gotten worse.
Even though I am interested in potentially being able to play Sky on console and PC, it makes me afraid that things could keep getting worse the more systems it is added to.

[random gull]

Server merging was a thing before android too. Maybe far less noticeable since there were far less players but it was a thing before Android.

[shrewd needle]

Really? It never happened to me before that time.

[sharp talon]

Today i got a lot of cam locks in live and this all happened near past seasonal spirits, atleast where they were supposed to be

[slim kayak]

yes, server merging has been a thing for a while, but the issue may be because there are just so many players trying to play all at once? that would explain why beta hasn't seen the same issues as live, or at least to the extent of live.

i couldn't tell you about server switching when androids were introduced to beta in 2019. all i remember is crashing every 5 minutes

[shrewd needle]

Hm, yeah, I think they passed the 50 million download mark before the one-year anniversary.
Before Android was added, I had gotten so much into Sky that I was playing on my iPhone and my iPad mini (my original account). I didn't have any serious problems when I added my phone, but after Android was added it was common for me to be switched off the server my friends were on, but somehow my alt was likely to stay.
Since July, it has gotten so bad that sometimes both of my accounts are switching servers, staying there for like ten seconds, then returning to the previous server where all of my friends are.

[slim kayak]

i think with the new patch in beta, you are way more likely to merge and stay in the same server as your friends. i went to sanctuary, and then merged with a group of my friends. even when we were on opposite sides of the island, we stayed on the same server. hopefully that fixes some server issues.

[random gull]

It's not an android problem though. It's a "too many people at once" problem. If every one of those 50 million downloads were ios only it'd still be the same issues. The servers try to minimize the amount of running instances at once so they will merge small groups of players together into the same instance. when there's a LOT of people then sometimes those merges split friends while trying to optimize

[shrewd needle]

Ooo, I hope you are right, Aeras! Thanks for letting me know. So many of my beta friends have dropped off that a lot of the time my only friend on beta is my alt.

ice, Why do some of us have such bad problems with server switches whereas others have no problem, though?
Edit: the stupidest thing is when there are eight of us together, and I keep getting switched then.

[slim kayak]

issues with server switching could be caused by a lot of factors. internet connection, how far you are located from your friend irl, and the number of players on that one server, for example. i don't think any of us players can get into too many specifics since we aren't devs, we just take the info we get from them and try to interpret them the best we can. it's also the weekend, so i don't think we'll get a dev answer for server issue today.

[tender oasis]

I don’t think i really have server switches unless we go too far from each other, but splits (at least that’s what we call them) are pretty common. It’s not rare i play in big groups in beta and live and its a daily thing we all end up on different empty servers once or twice during a candle run. Also we don’t merge back unless we go home and join back to one of our friends.

I don’t remember that being a problem in enchantment ( i spend half of my moth life falling into oob when i was with groups in rythm so i don’t have much memory on that) but i think it got more frequent around the time the moth bug had been fixed.

[timid basalt]

weird that the camera forced pan on me at wasteland lol caught it on vid but i have no idea how to upload vids in #beta-screenshots-videos
edit: to youtube then

[tender oasis]

Open the video on your device, click share, chose discord and the channel you want to upload it. That should work

[carmine thorn]

Aeras, how far you are doesn't really matter. My GF and I server split a lot of times and we're on the same public IP.

[slim kayak]

oh really? that's good to know. i found that i split far less with friends closer to where i am than those who live farther away, so i assumed that distance could have been a factor. my bad

[carmine thorn]

All good, just thought I'd throw that out there. The odd part is we also run the same device, a pixel 3a, and we server split at least once a day while on the same WiFi network.

[latent palm]

the camera bugs in isle are fixed

but my question is why cant they do the backend update on live as well

[gilded talon]

Cuz maybe that doesn’t fix the bug for everyone? As some of us still experience camera locks on beta and pushing another possible fix to Live would get expectations high again. Maybe they just want to be sure before applying a possible fix?

[sweet mist]

So??

[gilded talon]

Better not ping people for messages from hours ago and don’t ping devs unless urgently necessary. And Kai was just giving a kind reminder you don’t need to particularly ping them for that.

[pulsar veldt]

is there anywhere i can find about tgc says don't get through the wind wall? Recently some people get through wind wall with glitches, but i don't think thats tgc want or intended behavior

[hasty whale]

Hello guys - since most of u were doing beta test i wanna ask a question is there a specific quest u may able to get inside hermit village or.... U can get inside there now? haha xD

[gilded talon]

Yes it’s related to the third quest (possible to change before going live). So it’s not possible to get inside there on Live now.

[hasty whale]

thank you so much 🥰

[spark lance]

At the beginning of the update here I didn’t get the camera lock but now everytime I go to Sanctuary, Butterfly field or even Valley I get the lock

[desert token]

apologies for the ping, but I thought I'd make sure you'd see this since I'm typing it out lol. here's a basic statement on how tgc feel about going oob (i.e. going past the intended limits of the game): #beta-discussion message generally speaking bypassing wind walls should be okay as long as it doesn't give the player an unfair advantage over others. examples of non-okay oobing would be entering the secret area - or a wholly new map prior to release - for instance

[spark lance]

Getting pass wind walls is nearly impossible I’ll be impressed by those who do get passed them

But yes they use wind walls to prevent players entering something important or use them to genuinely make life hell for those trying to get in it’s fun

[pulsar veldt]

Na its possible for some place, out of discord, starts to find out how to get through the wind wall with glitch, its not a surprise because somepeople very sirious about oob, even use old devise to make leg and found light awaits thingy, they are very passion

[spark lance]

That’s crazy is that why they got Into the new area when the season was not even out yet

[pulsar veldt]

Idk far enough for knowing that, cause im not oob person, but all i khow is they starts to find out too far, i ask for obb person and she says they just tryna hide it and don't spread too much, because tgc might block that way too.

[pale junco]

This chat moves so fast when a season isn't going on

[pulsar veldt]

yes cozy

[fleet sorrel]

!ts

[gilded parrot]

The next Traveling Spirit is here and will be in Home until 11:59 pm Sunday Pacific Time!
You can read how Traveling Spirits work here: http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits

[fleet sorrel]

No it isn’t 

[spark lance]

The Ts is not going to be in beta this time

[ruby knot]

!tsbeta

[gilded parrot]

Traveling spirits in beta have different scheduling than in live, and have no bearing on future traveling spirits.
Check #news for announcements and save up your candles!

[steady pond]

#beta-known-issues message

[oblique mica]

Guys you have something to talk I wasn’t here long time

[steady pond]

regarding beta, or?

[warm marsh]

So umm (Eden spoilers), I think I might have found an unused area in Eden from the early betas ||(what we know as the point of no return in specific)||. I wasn’t in the early betas, but I have seen footage of them. The area looks disturbingly similar from the view I got. I wasn’t able to get a good screenshot since when I got close it I was warped back in bounds. If I can get a good screenshot, can someone who tested those version verify if this is the case?

[finite meteor]

do you mean the blue eden oob from prelaunch? or something else in the old eden because if its the blue eden i will SCREAM

[warm marsh]

Yea from prelaunch. It looked indoors

[kindred fossil]

did you find this in beta?

[warm marsh]

No I found it in the current release

[kindred fossil]

then that belongs to #eden-spoilers or #general-sky-discussion, any info about old beta/light awaits is already publicly available. it might get more attention there since beta channels are usually dead around this time

[warm marsh]

Oh ok. I thought it would go here since it was from a beta version. Thanks for letting me know

[kindred fossil]

it's okay, here's another to look for: the old darkness model from old beta is still hidden at current eden 🙂

[finite meteor]

oo wait really? i’ll have to see that when i go do eden tomorrow

[kindred fossil]

it's hidden really, really well 👀

[hollow compass]

I don't even remember what that looked like anymore.

[finite meteor]

that wont stop me because i cant read

[drowsy wave]

Today I did a full CR in beta A-Z and do you know how many candles I got? 12!. I was playing near the reset time and my candle metre was in the second stage from yesterday. When reset happened I came home but didn't restart my game. When I started collecting wax again I noticed that my candle metre was not on 3rd stage but in second stage just like how it was before reset. I restarted the game but nothing happened. So I had to CR like that and got 12 candles. Wow. This new candle system is very very very poorly executed tbh. Anyone experienced this?

[hidden quarry]

that doesnt sound fun. have you considered a bug report so the devs know of this problem?

[wild shore]

The light orbs on the candles respawn every time you restart your level/ runs. You probably have collected the wax before. Have you check that you ran twice today?

[mighty estuary]

Same for me when i haven't forge my candle yet. The Chevron won't be back to normal, it was 2 amd stays 2 even after reset

[radiant drum]

A full CR doesn’t give the same amount of candles in beta as it does in live with the new system because it’s not balanced yet

For those interested I would recommend backreading this conversation from earlier: #beta-discussion message
Either way, those changes will probably be introduced in beta and explained in #beta-announcements in the future so we can test it

If you’re having trouble with the chevrons resetting, please submit it in either #beta-feedback or #beta-bugs-ios/ #beta-bugs-android (when applicable) so TGC is aware

[gleaming yacht]

As Mirian explained, the Daily Light system is still under development and subject to significant change. Any feature that comes to the beta is most likely to be adjusted and polished in order to correspond with the preferences of the public and fix any bugs that occur. When testing something in the beta, especially something new, please keep in mind that it is not necessarily final yet; otherwise testers like us wouldn't be needed.

[random gull]

I’ve noticed when the camera force pans now I can immediately take back control as opposed to being stuck for several seconds now :0 camera panned on me in butterfly fields and in the area just before broken bridge in forest. Still get stuck for the entire duration of the cutscene in dreams village if someone activates boats though

[tender oasis]

Ohh i couldn't, i can move but can't adjust the camera until it releases after a few seconds on its own. Dreams is total hibernation tho.

[sinful wind]

has anyone else had issues taking the boat to forgotten ark in portrait mode? the boat won’t activate at all for me if I”m in portrait but if I go to landscape and sit again it goes immediately

[slim kayak]

Woah that's an interesting bug. Is it just the boat or are other meditation circles affected?

[tough oracle]

Has anyone else had issues with the second quest? I've been trouble shooting, and ran into this bug where you can't complete the quest if someone else starts while you're doing it . It's hitting live tomorrow right?

[sinful wind]

I've been able to do the daily meditate quests in portrait in the past. haven't tried anything else yet but now I'll have to check when i get home again!

[slim kayak]

Yeah, its a good idea to check if the issue is just with the boat or if there's a bigger problem. Good luck

[hollow compass]

I was worried about those quests and how they would work with multiple players doing them in the same instance. Not good if there is even more issues now.

[tough oracle]

Ye I'm pretty nervous about people getting angry tomorrow again if this issue persists 😦

[hollow compass]

There is still no real solution to the bigger issue and I fear many just missed out on the TS. But it’s hard to catch these type of things in beta with a smaller player base.

[tender oasis]

My issue with second quest was when i lighted the spirit, i couldn’t see the next checkpoint. I needed to go back to the starting point of the spirit. Ghe moment i arrived there, the checkpoint appeared Probably i should try again a few times. Uhh and Ts is a good point.

[sinful wind]

ok so I went back and checked on this. I can use all the home meditation circles and today’s daily quest meditation circle just fine in portrait mode. It’s only the boat leading to forgotten ark that stops functioning when I use portrait mode gonna try to record a video of it not going for a bug report but I’m done for today at least

[drifting eagle]

The boat is super buggy in general, it may be that!

[sinful wind]

weird that the exact same thing happened three times to me while @random gull was able to use it and kept going and server split from me. I think Kai’s on android so no portrait mode.

[drifting eagle]

I have issues with it in live as well as beta. For some people it just...waits at the dock while others get to go ahead. Then we get split up and people have to tp around

[random gull]

ping!
ah yeah I'm android. i rarely have issues with that boat unless i sit without breaking hand hold first

[fathom river]

that moment when someone somewhere is enjoying a cutscene and you were caught up in it and be like 👁️ 👄 👁️

[toxic fable]

Are there any info when will new candle system be released?

[faint hazel]

sometime this year depending on how beta goes

[spark lance]

yup, there's no official or estimated date at the moment.

[toxic fable]

And what about that new traveling spirit system with passes? Any info about that change?

[spark lance]

as far as i know, there aren't any plans to introduce it into live at the moment either. it may not even come at all, actually
personally, i would just wait until TGC announces it themselves. my assumption is that they'll let players know in advance when/if they plan to implement either systems

[edgy nexus]

Maybe Tgc shouldn't have announced the new grinding system so early in news since there are still a lot to change and patch.

[fathom river]

hmm I think it's alright. i'ts still in the early testing phase.

[steady pond]

i think the announcement is fine since its to let people know they're addressing a core issue with the game tbh! its a nice assurance that TGC is indeed listening to its playerbase

[minor falcon]

I think it's wonderful that the news post laid out the basics of the changes to the wider community, think of the rumor mill if testing had begun and only the beta community had easy access to info like that, that's all people would ask about

[gray forum]

I can’t figure out the third spirit memory in dreams

Anyone can help explain?

[steady pond]

the questgiver's 3rd quest? i remember having to take a boat up to the yeti slope... 🤔

[fathom river]

what spirit memory? the third quest?

[gray forum]

Yes how do i finish the third quest? I try to collect the light but nothing happens...i don’t understand

[tough oracle]

Yea it’s bugged, just like the second quest which is going live in an hour or so

[steady pond]

huh, quests are bugging in beta too? o_o this is news to me

[fathom river]

really? you're supposed to do tricks automatically whenever you relieve the spirit at the slope

[tough oracle]

They have been bugging for a while, same as the seasonal spirits btw. The last hot fix did somewhat solve the seasonal spirit issue

[fathom river]

beta is somewhat smooth compared to live rn. it's just sometimes you get stuck when someone is in a cut scene.

[tough oracle]

Except that the quests are bugged for us as well

[fathom river]

weird. during their early testing it's working properly.

[steady pond]

huh, i see. i wasnt aware of this happening in beta, since it never happened to me when we first started testing...
or was it the hotfix to fix past seasonal spirits lingering around the game, that caused the bugs
edit: same here ryuukun 😔

[hollow compass]

There are no lights to collect in the third quest, as far as I remember. You just go down the slope after the yeti and the girl.

I did this quest a couple of days ago and had no issues.

[gray forum]

Ok so I’m not the only one who can’t complete it?

[fathom river]

yes. no lights, just spirit memories. then you do tricks

[tough oracle]

Probably, the village of dreams is running into the same issues as live has. It’s just more difficult to find them —> yesterday i made friends with a random player and asked them to do the quests with me a few times. Also it has been said several times before here already, so I’m not sure why people are so surprised?

[hollow compass]

Are we talking about the hermit slope quest?
Ok, I was just confused when you said "catching lights".

[steady pond]

what i do remember being bugged for the 3rd quest were apparently the doors that opened, and the bridge that comes down as you're going down the slope, which honestly seems to be so intentional that i wanted the bug to stay lol

[gray forum]

Is there a 4th memory to collect?
I need help with memories I’m confused 🙈🙈🙈 @hollow compass i think so... I’ve never seen the doors open. I haven’t seen the third memory to give back. 🥺

[steady pond]

probably because we did the quests early on when they werent bugged and very few of us do quests now that we've completed them

[hollow compass]

Someone else wrote about the third quest not completing the other day! That's when I also went and redid it, but noticed that the countdown didn't have the red circle. Is that the issue for you too, Auti?

[fathom river]

weird. really? I answered someone yesterday I think why he's not at 100% for the season of dreams

[tough oracle]

Yea but that’s why to keep up, it’s kinda our task to do these things every now and then right? But maybe I’m just overreacting, we’ll see how it goes in an hour

[gray forum]

Yes no red circle! It’s just not...doing anything? It’s so weird and frustrating bc i feel like I’m doing something wrong hah,

[hollow compass]

Well, we haven't really had any big update for a while, so there hasn't been much else to focus on than the new forging system. So I think people just left the Dreams area alone, especially now that the season has started in Live.

[steady pond]

i think we just didnt expect a hotfix for the spirits to affect the other quests this badly... plus it wasnt mentioned in #beta-known-issues either
hopefully a patch update will come soon for live though

[gray forum]

Yea I’m not 100% and trying to do third memory but when i ride the slope up, i come to an empty arena, sometimes lights appear and i gather them...then always nothing. As if I didn’t do anything or nothing was there, maybe the server switched?

[hollow compass]

Wait, that's not the third quest. The lights at the arena are from the regular races.

[gray forum]

Thank you @hollow compass that makes sense! Hey number is #5444 wanna be friends?

[tough oracle]

It’s frustrating to see that people as a result claim that beta is more stable, even when it has the same issues as live 😅. Ah well, like I said, we’ll see how it goes in an hour. Maybe everything will work perfectly

[fathom river]

i think they are adding some codes from live so that we may test what is happening there. i dunno hehe

[steady pond]

if beta isnt stable why my plant burn at 120fps? /j

[gray forum]

@hollow compass i thought so!!!!!! But nothing else happens, no spirit no nothing i keep asking others but haven’t found any solutions. I think you’re right, it’s on the back burner for tgc

[hollow compass]

The third quest is when you take the first gondolas up to where the girl's race starts, then the second gondolas beyond that.

[fathom river]

lol.. have you guys tried spinning at the hotspring in live? you get an abstract lights, so funny

[gray forum]

@fathom river the new hot spring?! I wanna try

[fathom river]

haha it's not new. it's just the hotspring. it's so buggy that whenver you spin the lights go brrrt

[gray forum]

Where?

[steady pond]

its in dreams village, you might wanna go to #questions-and-help or #seasons-events-chat for this though, since this is regarding content available on live !

[gray forum]

Oh yes that one, sorry my mistake 🙈

[hollow compass]

So, Auti and I went to check the third quest out and now I can't even see the girl up at the hermit house. 😮

And I also can't see her in the fourth quest at the stadium. She's just gone. I need to go back alone after helping Auti and see if this is just a fluke. Oh, and now I lost Auti. sigh
Wait, now the girl is back at the stadium!
ETA again, because Auti is back and we're heading into the finale. Which I probably also can't see.

[steady pond]

i guess it really was the seasonal spirit hotfix that caused the slew of issues, which is ironic, since it was supposed to patch out lingering old spirits and instead brought them back and poofed the current quests instead

[gray forum]

Omg

[hollow compass]

I don't know if the girl wasn't visible because I was with someone who had activated the quests, although that doesn't really make sense. But the girl reappeared in the stadium at least. I might go check again later today.

[gilded talon]

I did quest 1 to quest 4 again and I haven’t encountered much problem except that quest two took a pretty long while to register its completion. I got a gondola freeze in between so it might be that.

[steady pond]

most of the quest bugging seem to relate to server merges too, and since beta has much lesser people around, it could be why it occurs less in beta

[pale junco]

When will days of love begin in beta

[kindred fossil]

my future beta event schedule that is given to us beta testers since we are pry to top secret information from TGC tells me... we don't know!

no but really, i can't answer that. we're only here to test what becomes publicly available to the (beta) community

[radiant drum]

And TGC usually reveals events in #news now before they are even close to beta testing

[wild shore]

Live is chaotic.

[hollow bolt]

I’m super late to the party, but I want to try spinning at the hot spring now

[austere merlin]

Days of love?

[radiant drum]

Days of love was the event in Sky last February that had the swing as IAP

[void mica]

👀

[tardy dune]

what was the price of the swing?

[random gull]

around $20 iirc but it came with a gift AP (couldn't use on yourself but could give to a friend)

[hollow compass]

I thought it came with candles? Lol, I really have the worst memory! 😆

[random gull]

it might have come with candles too. i was still moth-adjacent when that came my one year anniversary is 6 days away

[jade dirge]

Are the people from sky working on all of these issues currently on live?

[slim kayak]

Beta got a patch a few days ago to try and fix the camera and server splitting issues. Although they're not completely fixed yet, the devs are most likely working to push out more bug fixes right now

[drifting eagle]

yes, the TGC team is small though and currently backlogged from the holidays. give them time and patience, it takes a lot of work to isolate causes of bugs and fix them :)

[analog citrus]

Its too bad too cause its really killing the vibe for the new area with the spirits all bugged out and the camera freezing like every few min.

[spark lance]

I have gotten the swing i carry it everywhere I go it’s a cute little Heart backpack

[gray forum]

Do the doors in the coliseum ever open?

After you complete all the memories i thought the second set of new doors would open but they didn’t

[drifting eagle]

Only the door to the temple & the doors to the village open

[gray forum]

Thank you! So the other door is for future fun I’m assuming

[drifting eagle]

Maybe, maybe not! We dunno yet

[analog citrus]

Question for the OOB explorers: When did the sparkles go away inside the village stadium? Went there in beta and they gone - same in live. I cant remember when I went and they were there. Is it tied to one of the quests or are they just not there any more?#beta-screenshots-videos message

[slim kayak]

they were taken out of the oob after an update in beta. one of the earlier ones i think. they turn back on for the last quest

[drifting eagle]

Are they active only for the last quest? or active forever after that?

[slim kayak]

i haven't been oob after to check

[spice spoke]

last time i checked in beta after the last quest they weren't there

[gilded talon]

It’s possible that they are just gone. I went there on December 8th on beta and there were still sparkles. I finished only quest 1 and 2 at that time. So I don’t think it’s tied to any specific quest. It seems that they just disappeared after a certain update

[quick galleon]

• enters channel with eyes closed * hello beta people do you have a chart for tier 2 heart capes prices?

[random gull]

they’re just 3x the original cape cost. Wren because I am NYOOM!

[prime lintel]

second tier is 3x the original cost kai whyyyyyy
so second tier red cape would be original price x 3 (10 hearts x 3 = 30), for example

[drifting eagle]

not all of the tier 2 capes are out in beta right now yea? so when black cape tier 2 comes itll be 150 hearts

[slim kayak]

some players got black, white and pink tier 2 already, before they were taken out

[random gull]

some people have the black and white and I think pink too because they were available for a short time during a glitch. but in general they aren’t available right this moment on beta

[finite meteor]

whoever has tier 2 black and white has too much time in their hands if they had 150+ hearts laying around in beta

[slim kayak]

some people got invisible cape, what do you mean

[drifting eagle]

Oh, I forgot about that! does anyone have photos of those 3 still?

[gilded talon]

And buying those items not even knowing what it is applause for the courageous pioneers

[lyric kite]

Photos of the white ascended cape from about a month ago - #beta-screenshots-videos message

I haven't seen any screenshots of the pink or black ones yet though

[rain hawk]

Which Dreams module opens up Hermit Valley
--curious live moth

[agile lagoon]

shouldn't it be available when the task with yeti starts?

[gilded talon]

Normally it’s the third seasonal quest in beta

[austere merlin]

👀

[hollow compass]

Let's go!

[random gull]

updoot who wants to go exploring with me lets GO

[austere merlin]

I’ll come kai

[hollow compass]

Can we agree to not use that emoji, please? It's really taxing on the eyes.
thank you, Rose!

[slim kayak]

yay updoot!

[autumn spindle]

Anyone having troubles yet? I don't have any, so I hope it's working for everyone...

[hollow compass]

no, everything seems ok so far

[slim kayak]

i'm headed to prairie after dailies, hoping that there aren't any camera locks

no camera locks in prairie so far!

[hollow compass]

I'm going to assume that the screen still freezes for everyone in Dreams when someone activates the gondolas, because of how the cut scene works, similar to Prairie village.

[tender oasis]

Yes still freezes, just tried with Aeras

[hollow compass]

I think it's just how it works, like the mantas in Prairie. Unfortunately.

[tawny badger]

All seasonal main story quests worked for me. It might been me activating the gondolas. Sorry

[hollow compass]

Lol, don't think it was, but it's ok.

[random gull]

so the boats in dreams village are still locking the camera but now me and my friends server split if one of us starts the boats and the other doesn’t

[hollow compass]

Interesting! Btw, I lost you in Forest river area suddenly. You all just poofed!

[tender oasis]

Second quest spirit’s first checkpoint still doesnt appear for me after lighting the girl oh yes Kai that happened to us too

[random gull]

we went home to check out valley sorry Belpita I thought I said to meet at home. Rose didn’t come either so maybe I forgot to

[hollow compass]

Oh. Um, maybe I was somewhat afk. Time for bed now anyway. Have fun!

[tender oasis]

And third quest isnt working either for me but it does for Aeras next to me

[random gull]

hmm lemme drag mochi and see if either of us has that issue

[slim kayak]

so, i haven't had any issues with spirits whatsoever, but pakka hasn't been able to see them at all, and we're in the same server

[random gull]

I can’t get the second quest to activate AT ALL and mochi has been able to activate it but the light fades long before the timer actually runs out. I can see why live players are complaining now

[lapis ore]

Oop I only got pinged for the update an hour later

[hearty spear]

how can we enter in betas?

[gilded parrot]

@hearty spear, to join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-signup-info! You can learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.

[unique pagoda]

I don’t know if it’s an issue but... isn’t the second story quest going a LITTLE too fast? I barely managed to get to it and I was still like barely one fourth of the way to the end of the timer.

Short of it: You have to restart the quest again even though you still have plenty of time. That needs fixing I think.

[lapis ore]

I think they adjusted it already, I know I had to take a few tries the first time in beta on my ipad and sent feedback for an android friend. I tried it in live and oh man the lag is bad on my phone

[random gull]

ok so after like 12 attempts BOTH Mochi and I were able to activate and relive the second seasonal quest from the questgiver. My camera got locked at the end and Mochi’s didn’t boats were already activated in this instance so it wasn’t boats

3 min 30 sec video too powerful for discord

[tough oracle]

Lol I just went in discord to see if anyone else had the loneliest candle run on beta ever (i.e. I was solo running and didn’t encounter even one burnt server ) just to see that there had been a new update. Sooo is this new update making the merging of servers less frequent?

[lapis ore]

Hmm maybe since they mentioned adding a new server before? Also is finishing the second quest supposed to have the cutscene if you've done it before? I did it just now but there was no message saying it faded and it looked like i completed it but nothing happened

[tender oasis]

Same with the third i heard the ‘end’ sound but no completed message or anything.

[vapid briar]

it's a separate camera issue than the ones we're trying to address with these back end updates, i believe that particular issue is one that requires a new patch.

For context:
There's 2-3 different camera-related bugs we're working on fixing.

@lapis ore @tender oasis those sounds like great bug report candidates if you haven't submitted them yet.

[slim kayak]

Woah that many?
These updates are for the random panning and locking in certain realms right? Cause I didn't encounter those for this patch

[tender oasis]

Working on it, just trying to cut off the long flying parts from the vids.

[lapis ore]

So they are supposed to have an ending cutscene each time you relive them? Also wow that’s a lot I’ll see if I can trim down my recordings enough or I’ll just attach a link

[slim kayak]

I remember there being a big "complete!" After you relive them the first time. Any time after that just plays the sound, unless we're supposed to see complete every time?

[valid terrace]

right it’s time to test soon

[dusky tundra]

I wish live was as smooth as beta.. Beta actually feels like 30 fps and buttery smooth.. Live feels like 20-ish

[visual island]

So wait, all seasonal spirits are back in beta at the moment? Or am I misinterpreting something?

[random gull]

I was actually just getting ready to submit a bug report because mine and Mochi’s videos uploaded to youtube after what seemed like an hour

[dusky tundra]

I think they were saying about the current season

[random gull]

man idk where to even begin describing this bug report procrastination goes brr

[dusky tundra]

Home still bugged for y'all? Teleport to the same place?

[tiny umbra]

The yeti stole the camera and now the regular cameraman is negotiating for its safe return

[austere merlin]

old but Sorry for leaving ya suddenly kai, smth came up

[vapid drum]

The clipping is back in the yeti race ☹️

[random gull]

it’s ok Rose!

[austere merlin]

I opened sky beta and my Bluetooth headphones stopped working temporarily

[gilded talon]

what do you mean by clipping rob? Can you tell more?

[vapid drum]

The same what happens in ship area in Wasteland. The image clips / flickers and shows underlined space. Ugh , it’s hard to explain when English isn’t a native language. I do know that it’s usually device specific and power mode setting specific.

[tender oasis]

Ohh when you don’t see the wall of the tunnel but something beyond it, like the sunset sky of Dreams?

[vapid briar]

@empty stream I saw your post in beta feedback, can you please send your beta sky ID to @hardy carbon so I can look into it.

[gilded talon]

oh I see thank you rob I wasn’t aware that there was clipping in yeti race. Never had the bug

[random gull]

Rob do you mean that the textures disappear sometimes and you can see OOB?

[spark lance]

I keep hearing someone repeatedly buying iap, is this normal?

[white latch]

Oh no its a hack

[finite meteor]

in beta, no. you can only buy ap once since its free for everyone(in beta bcuz its testing), also you cant buy candle packs in beta anyway

[spark lance]

Ok, thank you!!

Today I didn’t get any camera locked neither in butterfly field, Sanctuary or Valley. Haven’t gone to Village tho...but I did notice that now beta isn’t smooth for me like it’s laggy, maybe my phone tho

[pulsar snow]

is there a fast way to buy capeless

i really want it but only have 35 hearts... it’s my dream... but i don’t have heart giving friends

[finite meteor]

well no
because u need to buy vault elder hair after completing vault constellation
and then buy invisible for 999 hearts after the hair lock

[civic cedar]

Whenever I log into the beta version, there is always a hacker at home. Could it be that all the Skykids are hackers

[mighty estuary]

Not really tho

[faint hazel]

is the capeless cape capeless or can you fly? are there just floating wedges?

[civic cedar]

I'm kidding! But I'm enough to really think so

[mighty estuary]

You can fly and there's no floating wedges, it's invisible

[finite meteor]

invisible cape is just an invisible cape
u can still fly
i had meant to say invisible cape god my wording is getting worse the more typos i make

my phone now autocorrects going to goig btw

[slim kayak]

you should check out the pinned video in #beta-screenshots-videos

[faint hazel]

imagine leading a fresh moth and they take off into the sky

[finite meteor]

“oh cool someone joined through the recent invite wave i guess, they have no ca-“
”moth” proceeds to flap 11 times with no cape

[civic cedar]

I want a capeless cape for the live version.

[random gull]

even back when it was in the forest constellation it wasn’t easy to achieve. I have friends who’ve been on beta since before rhythm who were aggressively trying to get the capeless cape who only got it when we got that infinite season pass bug. there was a brief few hours between those candles converting to normal ones and the devs nerfing the candles that people went absolutely nuts friending and heart trading everything that moved. capeless is intentionally difficult to obtain for reasons that are better explained in the pinned messages here than I can. you can set your sights on it if you really want it but if you do, make sure you are prepared for the idea it might take over a year to get AND beta does still have the possibility of our progress being reset at any time if the devs have a need for it.

[carmine thorn]

Imagine working that hard for capeless then, within a week, progress wipe.

[random gull]

reasons why I own almost nothing besides seasonal stuff on beta despite being here for nearly a year if I’d put the same effort on beta as I did on live I’d have 11 wedges and 100% completed base game too. I just decided my candles were better spent on friends

[ebon sable]

!reportplayer

[gilded parrot]

do you mean !reportfaq bruh?

[random gull]

!reportfaq this is new

[gilded parrot]

Here's some info on how to report players in the game: https://bit.ly/ReportFAQ

[civic cedar]

I keep saving up candles and hearts in the hope that one day Capelesscape will be implemented

[vapid briar]

Thanks everyone who took the time to test and provide feedback, we've since pushed the camera fix update to Live.

[random gull]

oops the bug report I was procrastinating on probably not relevant anymore

[vapid briar]

Not everything is resolved, but what we are able to fix from the back end should resolve the bulk of the problems. We'll have new beta builds soon™️

depends on the bug report, if it's still happening, submit a report.

[late mountain]

I'll take a look tonight to see if i find anything ^^

Edit: oooh, its in live already the push update? I hope it helps then!

[random gull]

I’d have to check again. it happened after this latest update. I wasn’t able to activate the second seasonal quest but my friend was. after about 12 attempts we both got it activated and could complete it but my camera froze at the end I have video of the last two attempts on two devices

[slim kayak]

Thanks tgc for working so hard for this community I'll be on the lookout for more bugs later tonight

[random gull]

would I need to submit that as two bug reports since it’s two devices involved? it was also multiple bugs that may have corelated with each other

[late mountain]

Would it be better to test in live specifically for the camera bugs since its easier to get merges with spirts and people in live and it has the same fix currently implemented?

[fathom river]

oh. i tested the spirits today. and no camera locks.

[vapid briar]

yes, at this point testing in Live would be most beneficial to hear if things are not resolved. The camera tilting toward the lifts is a separate persistent issue that requires a patch.

[late mountain]

Okay thank you! Good luck to the team with fixing the lifts

[restive fjord]

How do I get to beta

[wary timber]

check out #beta-faq

[gilded crag]

do yall earn all the candles or do you get them lol cuz you guys have 500+

[lyric kite]

Beta players have to earn candles just like live players. You can get a bit of a boost from the one-time purchase of the Founder's Pack, which gives over 100 candles like it does in live (it's free in beta). If you mean seasonal candles, it's possible to earn 25 candles a day in beta instead of just 5 or 6 so you can get more here

Also, people have been doing candle runs in beta a bit more frequently lately to help test the new candle system

[slim kayak]

but we don't have any other candle packs. the only candles we can 'buy' are from item packs we have to test in the store. after all, the devs kinda want us to play the game

[gilded crag]

ooo whats the new candle system?

[lyric kite]

You can read about it starting here - #beta-announcements message

It's still under development, so there could be some changes still before it goes live later this year

[gilded crag]

thxx

[hollow compass]

Very interesting reading through the night's convo. I'll go check in Live now, to see if it's better there.

[tardy mantle]

I have 9 resize in beta should I use ?

[tough oracle]

Resize party 🎊

[worthy tulip]

The new candle system has been helpful in getting more candles though, for me at least who can't play every realm every day

[worthy tulip]

In reply to to this, sorry I forgot to tag but I feel happier getting 15 ish candles a day from 3 realms which I enjoy going through rather then grinding hard for 15 in other realms I'm not fond of going all the time

[misty star]

Has the new update fixed the spirits and camera bugs?

[gilded crag]

hope it comes into the main game soon

[worthy tulip]

Same, I feel it is a brilliant addition

[gilded crag]

❤️

[tardy mantle]

Yay idk why size I aim tho. Big or small ?

[storm vessel]

How come poll doesn't include resize potions? Lol

Surely people would pick it more than spells.

[fathom river]

i have the smallest height in live and tallest in beta.

[lapis ore]

Aw man I finally got bunny mask in live but I’m so used to seeing my beta kid wearing antlers with it that it feels like something is missing
Also that reminds me, I should go and check the quest bug(?) that I was too lazy to submit a report for

[fathom river]

i'm obsessed with the white eyelashes in the no mask while wearing the yeti pants

[valid terrace]

May I ask; is the “spirits spontaneously appearing” bug part of this?
as in being able to see the stills

[fathom river]

hmmm i think they are meant to be still, "spontaneously appearing" means they disappear then appear again which is a bug

[valid terrace]

As in seasonal spirits’ stills appearing as the result of a merge
is it linked to this

[craggy bloom]

!ts

[gilded parrot]

The next Traveling Spirit is scheduled to arrive on January 21 at 00:00 Pacific Time (UTC -8:00)
You can read how Traveling Spirits work here: http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits

[spark lance]

@craggy bloom I see you

[worn trail]

After which quest does the hermit valley unlock?

[craggy bloom]

@spark lance your here too! owo

[daring parrot]

hi beta players
how are the bug fixes
any progress ?

[random gull]

they pushed a backend update to live last night that should have solved a lot of the camera pan/freeze issues in realms besides dreams village. they're still working on a fix for the boats cutscene though

[hollow compass]

We don't really know anything more than Live players about when bug fixes will appear, though. Any such things will be announced or sent out as a patch note eventually.

[daring parrot]

[tender oasis]

I didn’t have any regular realm camera issue so far in live today and beta when update note came out. So that’s good. I’m on a cr rn, but almost full server so i doubt i could see if it’s still an issue with this many ppl.

[hollow compass]

I did my usual round in Prairie and didn't have any issues in either. So that's promising!

[gilded talon]

Same. I did my cr in Prairie on Live but didn’t have any camera issue.

[wheat pumice]

Even at sanctuary, I didn't have experience camera lock in live.

[gilded talon]

That’s good sign

[spark lance]

yup, i haven't been experiencing many camera bugs in either version so far. very occasionally it still pans but i can usually regain control pretty swiftly when that does occur.

[spark lance]

Any theories about why the quest giver for dreams doesn't sport ultimate gifts in their outlook🤔

[slim kayak]

Woooo high performance mode in live is running at 40 fps instead of 60

Just checked beta and from what I gathered before gpu watch decided to crash my game, the issue isn't in beta. Or at least not as bad

Its part of the story manny. Kinda like how belonging spirits all had capes even if they didn't sell them

[lyric kite]

If you play through the season and do all of the quests, you'll see why. If you're in beta, you can do them all already. If you're in live, you can look through the #beta-screenshots-videos channel if you want to see spoilers, or just wait until we get to that point in the live version

[normal sundial]

Does anyone here see whether the lock view has been repaired?

[random gull]

they've solved as much as they can with it so far. there's still some things that will require a patch update that they are currently working on

[tiny umbra]

At least in live some of the camera locks are fixed and the seasonal spirits seem to have disappeared from wasteland, I still need to check the other realms

[lusty light]

!tsbeta

[gilded parrot]

Traveling spirits in beta have different scheduling than in live, and have no bearing on future traveling spirits.
Check #news for announcements and save up your candles!

[toxic oasis]

Hey guys, quick question: someone knows why the animation for the third quest was changed? You know when we are sliding down “the bridge” and the flames goes on the block came down.. that was really cool. I’m just wondering 💭

[vapid briar]

the later-stage content was unfinished and continues to receive polish/updates until it's made available in Live.

[buoyant wasp]

Those animations were really cool, I hope live players can experience them when the third quest becomes available

[toxic oasis]

Ooooh that’s a great news. Thanks for the reply 🙂

[austere merlin]

So the season being active in live does not necessarily mean it’s complete or final?

[slim kayak]

That's correct. The devs were still working on air and fire when prophecy released, and the enchantment ultimate was altered halfway through live's season. Anything can change

[vapid briar]

the archive area of vault was completely visually overhauled mid-season after belonging was released.

folks liked to complain it was android players' performance issues that caused the change but it was just a change in design direction.

of course it's not ideal that we make major changes after something goes live, but sometimes things don't play out as well as we had intended in concept once it's out in players' hands.

[random gull]

ooooo

[slim kayak]

oh right, i remember that. honestly i like the current version better. it makes it look like something broke through the wall, which is why there's water. wish i took screenshots of the old design though

[vapid briar]

staggered content gives us time to make changes before the Live audience sees it, as well as ensuring content "lasts" a little longer before people consume it all, grow bored, and demand more. It's a dual purpose tactic that's often used in game design for live service games.

because players will always consume content faster than it can be produced.

[slim kayak]

is that why the belonging spirits had a staggered release? to try and extend player engagement in the season? well, i guess quests are a better version of the staggered release. i remember many players didn't like staggered spirits

[vapid briar]

no, we were trying something different to change content up, we had done it previously for the original Winter season in limited live (most of you know as Rhythm) and it was successful. it played out well during that season, sentiment on it was pretty evenly split in the grand scheme of things. it's always a possibility that we may do that again in the future.

the seasonal quest system is certainly a different iteration of that design.

[random gull]

i love the seasonal quests and i absolutely love that season of dreams puts you in the story too! the last one was hard for me (i think i did feedback already) but the story is just really cool

[vapid briar]

Players liked the staggered content, it was something to look forward to each week, but not being able to access an expression or a specific cosmetic item limited personal expression if the thing you were looking for didn't come until very late.

It's important to keep in mind that decisions are made to tell a story or create a certain experience first and foremost. the details on how that content/story is brought to life and delivered to players is secondary.

[slim kayak]

i really liked the story for dreams. it was like my skykid was practicing with the skater spirit although it was a little confusing as to why i had to press emote buttons at first

[vapid briar]

it's like finding a $20 dollar bill in your winter coat pocket a year later when the next winter rolls around. having a little extra time to make even cooler content is a bonus.

[tiny umbra]

Dreams was and is extremely special to me, I’m so excited to wait and see what the bonus content is

[vapid briar]

The other thing is we want to save some reveals for later/live and not show our whole hand in beta. Think of the spell shop in enchantment, the bell tower world instrument and the giant manta in sanctuary.

[tender oasis]

I remember how amazed i was after almost each enchantment quest (except the fans) and we were all guessing what will be the next. Dreams gave back that feeling, even in beta where we could do those quests after each other.

[slim kayak]

oooooo i can't wait to see what's in store for dreams

[bold parcel]

Any plan to let player disable bgm?

Also is it possible to let player map their own controller bottom? Currently there is no way to use controller to teleport to friend, or open friend list at home.

[random gull]

you can put your ideas in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived so be sure the devs see it for consideration

[mossy glacier]

Woah, the discussion above was interesting to read

[placid summit]

If i Will join to the beta version, Will I need to pay money for this?

[random gull]

check out #beta-faq it answers your question and possibly others you might have. it also tells you how to join beta. currently there are no open invitations though. skybot every time

[gilded parrot]

@random gull, to join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-signup-info! You can learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.

[placid summit]

Thanks!

[gilded crag]

Can’t wait for new candles system

[spark lance]

welp. krills are officially broken for me. on the bright side, i can ride them now

[sly arch]

!whenisnextbetaupdate

[gilded parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/618885583330082836/723933779462455336/emoji.png

[hollow compass]

Super late ping, I'm sorry, but I use a PS4 controller and I can open both spirit and friend constellations at Home. I haven't actually tried teleporting to a friend, but I would assume it's just a matter of moving the "cursor" and then clicking the engage button (square for me).
However, I think the team is probably working on mapping solutions, since Switch release is planned for this year.

[bold parcel]

What button are you using to open friend constellations? I am on Android trying to use both Xbox one and Dualsense (PS5) controller but only able to select spirit one and slowly turn into friend list.

Also there is so much more that can be complain about the controller, for example there is only 6 button to press using instrument, unable to get pass the play button when get into the game, etc.. I will not call it useable and hope it can get fix soon.

#android-questions message
All this from me complaining 2 month ago, since than they change nothing.

[hollow compass]

I use the square ⏹ for most interactions, like entering game, lighting candles and sitting down at return shrine. You can also use R/L 1 and 2 for various things. The only thing I can’t seem to do at present is open a chat 💬 or take a photo.

You have to remember that maybe controller mapping isn’t top priority for mobile devices atm. You wrote something in a channel that devs generally don’t read, so there’s also that. But even if you also sent that to the feedback channel it doesn’t mean it suddenly gets done before lots of other pressing matters.

[bold parcel]

Press L marshrom head 2 times for chat, though u still need to use touch screen to actually type anything, and there is still no way to open friend constellations as far as I can tell

[hollow compass]

L marshrom?

[drifting eagle]

Mushroom head, they mean the joystick/analog stick

[tacit stone]

Wait....so wat we experienced in beta is not everything of Dream yet? reading the replies of Ktjn

[hidden quarry]

who knows

[tacit stone]

I hope they continue the current quest system. All the procedural quests in Enchantment, Sanctuary and Dream caught my heart 💙

It feels like we not only reliving the spirits memories but also the glory days of these places

[gleaming yacht]

this makes me... very very curious ktjn 👁️

[ruby kayak]

Has anyone actually gotten the invisible cape?

[tender oasis]

I have some friends with it yes. It's possible just takes a lot of effort and time

[lament mica]

I’m one of @tender oasis ‘s friends who got it 😊
Here’s a pic of me in Eden with the invisible cape

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/618891214527266846/798852058017955860/image0.jpg

[unique vapor]

sad prophecy noise

[daring parrot]

Hello beta players. The seasonal spirit with bunny mask. When the teaser was released they were shown with default moth hairstyle.
It has changed and now in live they Have that scared refugee’s one, that bun (which fits their tale-scarf very well, lmao)

I think I got flashbacks of them having that spinning bird dood hairstyle when season of dreams was released in beta. Are there memories true, or...

[kindred fossil]

nope, it's always been that bun

[late mountain]

Nah, its moth hair here, at least it looks like moth to me

#news message

[hollow compass]

It definitely changed, yes.

[kindred fossil]

i'm talking about once the season began testing, not the teaser. usually the spirits appear in a placeholder model, hairstyle, etc. but for the postman it's always been that afro-bun hairstyle

ida is asking wether postman had a different hairstyle from the teaser once the season began testing, other than the afro-bun

[hollow compass]

Oh, right. Well, one of the spirits had the default moth hair at one point. I know I noticed it. But which one...?

[kindred fossil]

i had access to the spirits a few minutes after release, i don't think any had: #beta-screenshots-videos message
they had rhythm placeholder models though

[ashen tundra]

What quest does hermit valley open? 3rd or 4th?

Thank you!

[ashen tundra]

It was peeking postman that had moth hair in the teasers

[valid terrace]

Performer seriously suited Actor boots though

[ashen tundra]

It seemed strange to me in my opinion, I prefer their look in live 😅

[kindred fossil]

again, we're not talking about the teasers

[valid terrace]

I mean in early Beta Dreams

[ashen tundra]

My apologies

[minor falcon]

blow kiss upgraded their disguise by changing the pants that gave them away

[valid terrace]

y e s

[pulsar snow]

hello so i need a bit of help...

i was wondering if anyone could tell me where i can find people who gift you hearts... i need them for invisible cape and i’m not sure where to go about it. could anyone help out??🙏🏼

[radiant drum]

Soliciting hearts and/or trades is not allowed in this server, if that's what you mean

[pulsar snow]

no no that’s not what i mean. i’m just asking if their is a server or group of some sort i could go to someone find people who are willing to get me to my goal of the invisible cape

[radiant drum]

Well advertising external communities is also against the rules here, so we can't help you with that either

It's also important to keep in mind that beta is for testing, and our progress could be wiped at any time if TGC needs to for testing. I know some people have bigger goals than I personally do even knowing about the wipes, it's just good to be aware of that possibility

[pulsar snow]

oh... now i’m gonna cry

that’s very upsetting😭 although i’m glad i’ve been able to bug search and help TGC through beta

[radiant drum]

it's written in #beta-faq, a good read for anyone joining beta

[spark lance]

@pulsar snow make friends from Beta looking for group.. meet lots of people.. eventually you'll find what ever you are looking for through sky kids.. but just remember "TOS" exists and if u adhere u are fine

[pulsar snow]

@spark lance TOS¿?¿?

[spark lance]

Terms of service

[hollow compass]

You should also remember there is no guarantee you will get into beta every wave.

[stark wadi]

I already posted this in live-feed back and wishlist, but do anyone here ever discussed about a option allow player watch again the cut-scene after completed seasonal quest? Those cut-scene, especially in Sanctuary, are generous and I guess must be done with a lot of efforts from TGC. It so waste if we only can see them one time after complete quest, and the only way to see them again is... YouTube.

[hidden quarry]

i think thats a great idea

[buoyant wasp]

iirc this discussion briefly happened here 2 or 3 times, couldn't really find it so can't redirect you to it (sorry ), but, there's a little description about Dreams seasonal quests in the 159154 patch notes (https://thatgamecompany.helpshift.com/a/sky-children-of-the-light/?l=en&s=patch-notes&f=patch-notes---december-15-2020---0-12-0-159154) that quotes:

These quests can be repeated, but only give a Regular Heart reward the first time they are completed
No plans to make quest from old seasons repeatable at this time
Which probably won't let you see the end cutscene either?

Personally I would love to relive the ending cutscene of Belonging too, also wish newer players had a chance either, it's so cute (except there wasn't this type of seasonal quests back then, so I doubt that would ever happen)

[stray elk]

There are so many people with enough stars to be over 7 wedges, I miss seeing moths with 7 stars people would have 10 wedges really soon!

[daring gate]

Yeah winged light has become wayy too common and everyone can zoom in their 9th wing sooner enough even a fresh moth could if they just played the maps 2/3 times at this point

I’m not sure if wl should be difficult, to some it is already. But I really do miss the struggle of working with what you had- be it 5th wing or less or more

You had to get creative about flying I guess now you kind of just get a small speed battery with a possible 12th wedge and further if those get implemented

[tender oasis]

I have seven wedge if that couts i’m just way too lazy now to collect back wl, because it takes an eternity to die in case i want to try something in ede, or just get the statues. Plus i enjoy the little challenge of flying with less wings.

[finite meteor]

too lazy to recollect wl even though we know we have enough for 11th wedge moment

[gentle jetty]

What is that shepherd thing with a heart over players heads?

[timid pelican]

Short question... what happens if you somehow don’t manage to get into beta after you‘ve been for a while, miss a month(or how ever long the phase for invites is), and then rejoin beta? Do you lose progress?

[gilded parrot]

@timid pelican, to join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-signup-info! You can learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.

[random gull]

screaming: it’s mysterious so nobody can tell you exactly how it works but from what we can gather it’s just a way for older player to know who is new and might need help so they can offer help.
UvU: you won’t lose progress unless they have a progress wipe so you’re good if you miss an invite and rejoin later!

[gentle jetty]

If that's the case you can't fool people into thinking you're new huh? Now I can be certain of who is moffy when it rolls into live! I love guiding moths!

[hidden quarry]

haha, yeah. its also been around for quite a while without any change, so it might not be a priority feature pretty interesting though

[pulsar grove]

Beta testers

[lapis ore]

You're in the beta general chat, so yes watch out for spoilers btw

[tacit stone]

If spoiler has to be spoiler tagged in beta chat, the whole chat would be black

[lapis ore]

Oh jeez if we had to tag everything about the season too

[slim kayak]

spoilers! the end of dreams has ||a cutscene||

[gilded crag]

you guys love the new candle system?
i hope it comes out soon

[sullen relic]

it's still incomplete in its current form though, in a way where the maximum number of candles that can be earned in one day is fewer than what you can earn in live right now; until it's adjusted in such a way where we can earn the same number of candles without needing to run for longer compared to the current system in live, i can't really say i want it coming out yet

[uncut bolt]

are all the bug got fixed yet?

[hollow compass]

ALL the bugs?
We are just regular players here in beta. We test and we report. TGC devs do the bug fixing and whenever they have worked some of the creases out, they will let everyone know and sometimes post a patch update.

[kind pelican]

hello

[spark lance]

The third quest is buggy oofsies. Me and my friends went to do it earlier today but it wouldnt work. It worked eventually but only for me >.<

[craggy bloom]

!ts

[gilded parrot]

The next Traveling Spirit is scheduled to arrive on January 21 at 00:00 Pacific Time (UTC -8:00)
You can read how Traveling Spirits work here: http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits

[scenic lynx]

Hello everyone, how is it possible to get 300 seasonal candles in 10 days ?, how is it possible to get that much ? (Im not a beta player)

[slim kayak]

in beta? 12 days. in live? 50-60 days

[scenic lynx]

Ok

[slim kayak]

beta gets 25 candles a day for testing purposes

[hollow compass]

Beta has a lot more seasonal candles each day. It's just for testing purposes.

[lapis ore]

in live you could get as many candles as you want if you have the money to throw on candle packs too

[dense copper]

I was holding that back too, easiest way: haha money go brrrr

[tender oasis]

I'm gonna miss the daily 25 candles a little when we get back to off season schedule.

[random gull]

those candles are much faster and easier to gather. like 20 minutes vs 2 hours for a normal candle run that gets you 18ish candles. I hope the overhaul plans for the candle system make it more like that where you can get a decent amount of candles in a shorter amount of time and still have actual fun in the game too

[tender oasis]

I like cr in general when I'm with friends, but the those seasonals are nice additions when i dont have much time i still feel i did something just by getting them everywhere and the wax from the areas they are. It's a little bit like putting your wax in a bank which will give it back to you eventually.

[random gull]

I definitely haven't been collecting every day and have around 400 candles. I will have bearhug with 2/3 of my friends list when dreams ends

just gonna put the mental image of me chasing my friends around yelling "take the candle" in yalls heads cuz that definitely will happen

[tawny badger]

I must confess, that collecting that fat, juicy season light is strangely addictive.

[finite meteor]

but seasonal candle wax

[valid terrace]

giant wax
it’s satisfying

[stray elk]

the sad thing is some bugs in live aren't in beta- ;-;

[vapid briar]

It happens

millions of people can cause a lot more wreckage than a few thousand

[late mountain]

Would it be worth sending a success report somewhere to help the team work out some of those known issues and when they don’t occur? I experienced no issues with the second seasonal quest in live and can load the game while listening to external audio with no problems. I’ve not seen a spirit husk fail spawn for lighting either when I did the spirit quest yesterday.

[vapid briar]

Sometimes they can be valuable, usually it helps if we have a ton more details that may lead to the success of your experience when others are seeing issues. Things like time of day, number of friends that were with you, server merges, how long you've been playing or in a specific level. Of course we don't want to clog up the bug channels with non-bug reports, but extreme cases can help and we would specifically ask for those reports. Normally QA doesn't have issues getting a successful experience, it's producing the conditions that caused a bug.

[late mountain]

Okay thanks ^^ Well I’m here if you need it then Good luck!

[slim kayak]

would it be helpful to send those reports in the feedback channels? i've done that a few times, but i want to make sure that would be ok in the future

[vapid briar]

Yeah, feedback is a better spot.

[vocal crescent]

when will you release new vacancies for sky beta ?? I really want to be a beta tester

[vapid briar]

When we're ready to do so. You can get of an idea when that will be by reading #beta-faq

[solid dune]

wait a minute did they remove the headphones?

[vapid briar]

no

[solid dune]

oooh. you just have to take your head accessory off the wear them

[random gull]

the headphones just won’t make your head accessories go away anymore which I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT

[shy geode]

oh my god yes!! i’m so excited about this, i hated wearing earmuffs and then having the headphones cover them

[fathom river]

i want me some headphones, maybe someday on android

[tropic radish]

Ooh, I'm curious on how earmuffs with headphones will look like ^^)

[solid dune]

The headphones and head accessories wont be worn at the same time.
if you have a head accessory ON, the headphones wont appear.
if you take the head accessory OFF, the headphones will appear

[late mountain]

Ooh yes! They changed the headphones, my antlers will work now if I want to listen to music!

[vapid briar]

things like this are why constructive feedback is so important!

[hidden quarry]

woohoo! no more headphone dilemma

[slim kayak]

I'm late to an updoot?
Honestly I thought beta would be more lively for an update

[carmine thorn]

Android update is live on playstore for those who were waiting.

[random gull]

oh I was still on live version of the game so I didn’t notice update was in playstore thanks Uzephi

[small swift]

Why does Discord ping me an hour laterrrr
At least now the update most likely available for android

[deft belfry]

^ SAME

[spark lance]

Yo this means that I’ll be able to wear my antlers and listen to podcasts at the same time Can’t wait to distractedly slam myself into walls in ✨S T Y L E✨

[lusty dust]

Same-

[tiny umbra]

Antler headphones though, like cable antenna

[terse notch]

Excuse me, when can I get the exchange code for the test suit?

[runic path]

#beta-faq has the answer. And you may need to wait until this season concluded in live for nest beta invite

[terse notch]

OK

[spark lance]

Still can't fiqure out a way to get headphones for external audio on Android too? 😢

[vapid briar]

To my understanding from the engineers, due to the way audio is detected on Android compared to iOS, adding headphones when listening to external audio is not possible.

[tribal grove]

Sorry may I ask if the no headphones while wearing accessories was intentional or were both supposed to appear on a avatar?

[terse notch]

Android doesn't seem to be able to do it.

There can only be one.

[tribal grove]

Thank you so much!

[spark lance]

Has there been any thought about a bgm switch?

[terse notch]

[vapid briar]

If you are wearing an accessory, headphones will no longer appear on your Skykid when listening to external audio.

Let me edit the beta updates to clarify since you're not the only person who has stopped by to ask.

[steady pond]

i guess it cant be helped since sky was developed for apple products first and foremost, and android is in itself a whole nother beast to deal with...
hopefully one day we can get UI toggle so android can at least record videos the same way apple is able to though. in the distant future

[spark lance]

Oh well, ||Apple always gotta be the better company, Hmph.|| thanks anyways tho

[steady pond]

ive never been interested in apple, but skys got to be the first app that made me come close to buying an iPad a couple of times

[slim kayak]

i would have downloaded sky on my ipad ages ago... if it wasn't 10 years old

[empty inlet]

Is it not possible to make use of the AudioFocusRequest class?

[graceful bluff]

Some pretty cool updates

[runic path]

In this case it will require sky app periodically check the audio focusing status ||potential performance issues?||. Also other external app need to request the audio focus first in order to let sky detect a external audio||which some apps might not I guess||. But IDK I'm not the guy build sky Android

[carmine thorn]

Android 11 has a new API call for audio listener that might help get it to work, at least for A11+

[tight bloom]

Just read the update note. Happy that gifting passes to friends no longer requires owning current AP

[empty inlet]

Maybe set up an OnAudioFocusChangeListener would save the trouble. But yeah some apps won't request audio focus, which they should do for background music

[royal shadow]

Android doesn't have headphones, so I really want headphones that Android users can wear

[spark lance]

Exactly!

[steady pond]

maybe android users could be given the cosmetic for free

[slim kayak]

the headphones aren't really a cosmetic though. it's a feature to show that you're listening to music or on a call. you can't exactly equip it the same way you do with other cosmetics

[steady pond]

makes sense, although i just think headphones are neat in design and it would be nice if everyone has access to them, if possible 😔

[desert mango]

Tgc have done awesome with these fixes ... I appreciate their hard work especially at times like this .. 🤍

[dusky tundra]

About Android's external audio changelog in the update patch.. does that mean Android supports external audio now like iOS?

[ripe flax]

just a question! i heard there’s smth like a “shepherd” in sky beta? what does this mean?

[slim kayak]

the shepherd system is a way to rank friendliness. if you are helpful to other players, then your bar increases. once it's full, then you are a shepherd, where you'll be able to see a heart icon above a new player's head. it makes it easier to know which players might need some extra help.

it's been in beta for over a year now, so it's probably not going live any time soon

[gleaming yacht]

once again... thank you so much tgc

[desert token]

somehow I remained a shepherd for the entire prophecy testing cycle without being active in beta at all. I’ve heard it decays over time for some people, while others share my experience. it truly is very mysterious, and it never really appears in patch notes so I have no idea when it was last tweaked either

[slim kayak]

it's gone down twice for me. but that was from last april so the system probably doesn't work the same anymore. or maybe it's bugged and none of us are aware of it

[hollow compass]

Wait, wasn't the issue that the third quest wasn't working, not the second?
And the camera still orients towards the ski lifts.

[tender oasis]

I think third just didn't worked for some, like me. Whenever i went with friends most of them didn't have any problem with it.

[hollow compass]

The timer on the quest circle wasn't red, like it is for the second quest. I know that the second quest isn't working properly in Live, but possibly for other reasons.

Btw, it's almost impossible to complete those slide quests using one-handed mode. I am so happy I discovered using a controller.

[drowsy escarp]

what is “AP”?

[hollow compass]

Adventure Pass, ie the seasonal pass.

[drowsy escarp]

i am stupid thanks

[tender oasis]

Should we get the Complete message after finishing a quest,even if it wasn't our first time doing it? I did second and third, every spirit appeared, timer was working too, even got the little ☑️ on it, but I'm not sure if we suppose to get the message too or not.

[vapid briar]

If it were that simple, the engineers would likely have done these things.

[hollow compass]

Did you get the ✅ after the third quest? I only got it for the second.

[tender oasis]

I did get it on both second and third. But i will redo third just in case.

[hollow compass]

Because the circle timer with the red marker doesn’t work on the third quest for me and I reported that.

[vapid briar]

Part of the challenge is android hardware is broadly different across device manufacturers, depending on what version of OS and the device's specific functions. We have to make decisions that are inclusive for the broadest range of devices possible. Furthermore, due to the extended development of Sky, the android version had to be scrapped and rebuilt from the bottom up more than once to accommodate both soft- and hardware changes between 2012 and 2020.

[tender oasis]

I think red timer never been in the third, or just the very first build, but my memory never been the best so i might be wrong.

[vapid briar]

Smaller studios will often outsource additional platform development, often referred to as a port, to external partners. Think of the iOS and PC versions of Journey published by Annapurna. We did everything in-house with our small team, mean often only 1, maybe 2, people work on the project from start to finish.

So hopefully that helps give some perspective into how or why things are the way they are. Choosing to do everything ourselves comes with some challenges, but it means we maintain full control of everything.

[lyric wadi]

Not that it matters...it wasn't there for android ;-;

[wheat pumice]

There are some update on the candle forging as shown on the list in Google app in Beta Sky. How was it? I still unable to try now cause busy.. hehe..

[dusty crystal]

You mean when you get more candles at the beginning of your run and less at the end ?

[tawny badger]

that is what i really like about TGC, thumbs up

[wheat pumice]

What I mean is that they balance/they tweak the forging system.. at least we can get candles the same numbers with the live

[dusty crystal]

We've always had the same number of candle

[crude crystal]

nah there is a glitch before when new forging system comes out and beta player get less candles (~14 full cr)

[latent plinth]

uhm i dunno why i couldn’t update the new version do you have some solutions 😭

[dusty crystal]

I didn't even noticed, I rarely do a whole run in beta so... My bad ^^`

Uuh ? Could you download the other versions ?

[random gull]

you cam download but they wont work if you do.

[civic cedar]

Is there one Light wing on Hermit valley now?

There was have two, but now I can only find one when I look for it.

[vast basin]

I didnt really understand this one:
Using gift passes on friends no longer requires you to own the current/upcoming season's AP

[kindred fossil]

meaning you can now gift whatever leftover gift pass you had from the previous season without owning the current/upcoming season's AP etc, etc

[spice spoke]

ooh could this potentially also mean that we can buy gift passes without buying ap for ourselves?

[kindred fossil]

probably not, i think this only applies to leftover gift passes

[blazing sail]

Yay can finally use accessories in videos?

[kindred fossil]

yes

[civic cedar]

Is it possible that the lack of an answer to this question is because I'm saying the wrong thing?

[crude crystal]

1 behind the house window and 1 in race ( when u slide down

[civic cedar]

Thank you so much !! I'll look harder again!

[pale junco]

So i'm never going to get headphones 😢

[vast basin]

So for example i had the pass for prophcey just laying there and dream came before i used it , it becomes a dream PASS!?

[kindred fossil]

yes, it becomes the gift pass for the upcoming season. can't gift it to yourself of course yadayada...

[vast basin]

Woah thats really cool, thanks for explaining!

[blazing sail]

They moved it?

[hollow compass]

No. Or at least they’ve been there a long time now.

[hollow compass]

Gift passes have always transferred to the next season if unused.

[blazing sail]

Ok so it’s still in the ||ice cave||?

[low kindle]

hmmm beta update

[formal lintel]

I update beta. Whats new? 🤨 🤔

[kindred fossil]

just updates to ongoing issues, no shiny new stuff if that's what you're asking. read #beta-announcements

[hollow compass]

You can read that in the patch notes in Tesflight or Google Play. Ktjn was kind enough to write them out this time in #beta-announcements also.

[sullen relic]

the gift pass change sounds pretty neat though, now you don't need to buy or get gifted another pass to give away your second gift pass if you bought a bundle and could only give away one during season

[abstract lotus]

yayyyy i can use accesories and listen external audio ✨now I can use anniversary hat for celebrating with friends :3

[wild shore]

..

[sullen relic]

the ski lift cutscene thing seemed to be resolved during my trips there earlier, i was still able to move my sky kid and camera freely when someone in the distance had activated one of them

[keen quest]

Hi so um just because the stuffs jn beta are free doesn't mean anyone can hack it right? This seems to be the argument of those hackers I met

[slim kayak]

beta has the same terms of service as live, so you'd be correct.

[orchid nexus]

hacking is not allowed, and discussions of hacking including justifications for it are not allowed in this server

[iron geyser]

i’m very excited for the season to end in beta bc i’ll get over a thousand candles but i worry that a wipe back to 50 candles will be put in place like it did in between the change from enchantment so sanctuary? from the unlimited adventure pass bug

[opaque swan]

I don't know what they did in the update for beta but I got through vault with no crashes 😭👏 my game usually crashes all the time there

[random gull]

it's gonna depend on their testing needs. I can't imagine they would wipe legitimately earned candles unless they had a specific need to because that is work on them too. the candles that got wiped after sanctuary were from a bug that players exploited

[iron geyser]

yes i see you’re right

[lusty light]

@frail pilot #wishlist-and-ideas-archived is for things you’d like to see in game, if you have questions about beta content please ask here

[frail pilot]

OK can anybody tell me a little bit more about this invisible cape where is it when you get all the 999 hearts

[opaque swan]

You need to complete vault I think

[frail pilot]

So the invisible Cape is not in live only in beta?

[carmine thorn]

It will only be in beta until they make an official announcement about it coming to live. Which I don't see happening for awhile.

[random gull]

yeah in the pins it does say that it exposes the rigging wonkiness of the skykids so it's just an easter egg for now

[carmine thorn]

Yeah, hitched a ride with someone who has invisicape and flight does look weird.

[sullen relic]

there're also probably some animations which just look bizarre without a cape to hide things: try going to orbit or the prophecy trials and doing the peeking postman's Lv1 emote, your neck stretches out of alignment with the rest of your spine

[random gull]

I have pics of peeking postman emote in stormlocked homespace it's great

[tender oasis]

And the failed piggyback poses look even weirder that way. illustration in beta screenshot channel.

[finite meteor]

"should we make the skykid's necks stretch out for peeking postman's emote?"
"yeah sure i dont think anyone will notice"
3 weeks later:

[drifting eagle]

i haven't been up to yeti's bed in a while, does it still Bounce?

[kindred fossil]

no

[vapid drum]

Its still weird to see the boats in the cut scene for the yeti slope , go in the opposite direction

[spark lance]

is the invisible cape still 999 hearts?

[wild shore]

Heard hearts send over mails are bugged

[autumn gale]

When can we go into hermit valley

[gilded talon]

It’s tied to the third quest. But might change before it go live so just take this as a reference

[autumn gale]

Ok

[carmine thorn]

"I'm not stealing from you, I'm stealing from your bank. It's not your concern." Is pretty much a good example in another subject of that lengthy paragraph.

[random gull]

sorry you experienced that but we’re really not supposed to talk about the hackers here and bring attention to them. They were lenient on us after invite waves so the new beta testers could learn the signs to look for but it’s best to report them in game and move on.

[lusty light]

@runic path please don’t talk about hackers, the person above you just said this

[wild shore]

If it's related to and is in another language, it probably mean a joke about candles. .

[buoyant wasp]

umm, idk if I should ping Ktjn but, in #beta-announcements it says "v0.12.0" but beta app is actually v0.12.2
this can cause some trouble organize bug reports, since skybot asks for the Sky beta version doesn't it?

[gilded talon]

i think along with the build number it’s ok tho. It seems to be unique regardless of the version number

[buoyant wasp]

ah indeed, skybot itself will still be getting v0.12.2 reports since beta players will check the app, not the #beta-announcements before answering (which is the correct version) little overthinking by me

[vapid briar]

we look at the build number more than the version number, but it's okay to poke me about a typo.

[tight nymph]

Can I use the secondary card of last season

[hollow compass]

No, you can't use a leftover gift pass yourself, but you can give it to someone else. (I think that's what you're asking?)

[wild shore]

Thanks for helping, Umara.

[sly arch]

!whenisnextbetaupdate

[gilded parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/618885583330082836/723933779462455336/emoji.png

[opaque swan]

Helloo what do I do about hackers? I had come across one but didn't realise it was too late (hacked items)

[random gull]

!reportplayer all we can do is report them in game. if you didn't have a chance to, it's ok but it's best not to talk about them here and bring more attention to it. they were lenient on us after the invites so new beta players knew what to look out for but we're really not supposed to discuss them. dang my command broke

!reportfaq it changed!

[gilded parrot]

Here's some info on how to report players in the game: https://bit.ly/ReportFAQ

[finite coral]

I want new content

[hollow compass]

Daw. Next wave maybe.

[slim kayak]

New content will come when its ready™️

Also the season has been live for like, 2 weeks. New stuff probably isn't ready yet

[dapper ginkgo]

Anyone here able to answer a question? We suddenly got locked out of beta. More so like my sister did since I don't have a device to play Sky at the moment. She went into Testflight to update beta but when she opened it it said there were no apps available. Does... anyone know what happened?

[hollow compass]

When was the last time she updated? When did she join?

[dapper ginkgo]

We joined-- OH WAIT I KNOW WHY OKAY NEVERMIND THANKS

[random gull]

I tested the cam lock with the boats several times and success! whether a friend or a stranger activated them I got no cam locks

[slim kayak]

nice kai! i've yet to test the cam lock for the boats, i gotta do that later
maybe you should relay a message in #beta-feedback so that they know the patch worked

[sudden flower]

how many wing buffs were added to regular spirits? 9?

[hybrid coral]

||||

[fallow perch]

Hey beta players....i have a question....if we run vault first for ten minutes, would you get the same number of candles as if you run prarie first for ten minutes?

under the new chevron cr system that is?

[carmine thorn]

Currently, no. Wax gets a buff and since prairie has more wax in the first 10 mins than vault, you'll get more candles in prairie.

[fallow perch]

wow...ok...i,fear the death of vault coming!

[vast bay]

Ktjn

I think it might be helpful to throw out your current perceptions of how to best/most efficiently farm Light on Live, and determine the best way for you personally to obtain the number of candles you want to collect per day. It's intentional that the Races don't reward 2 candles anymore, so people can choose to do races because they want to instead of because they feel they have to to optimize efficiency.

Regarding concerns about places that, in Live, are inefficient in for candle farming (e.g. Vault and its multiplayer door challenges) we will be reviewing other ways to incentivize players going to those places. However, those adjustments are not yet available for testing.

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Sent in #beta-general-discussion | Quote requested by Seraph#2000 | 789230651831746630 · Dec 17, 2020, 8:40 PM

[carmine thorn]

Imagine it this way, do a candle run in live, get all wax. Do a half candle run in beta. You should only be short 1 to 3 candles with the current system. This isn't happening though due to the chevron balancing being a little off as it is still in development.

[fallow perch]

i mean who will,want to honk,forever to get a multi player door open, or wait through the floors for a minimum of,wax.

ohhh i see....

it kind of makes sense, but i really like vault.

[slim kayak]

Tgc has said that they're going to add more candles in places that aren't really visited for candle runs, hinted at in the second paragraph above. We'll just have to wait and see what the devs will come up with, but rest assured, no realm will be neglected due to this system hopefully

[carmine thorn]

Yeah, it's in it's early stages. We are just helping figure out the chevron system. Once that is worked out, I am sure they will get wax count similar to each realm. I think the end goal is to select a few realms you want to visit that day without the must of hitting all realms and instead spend more time with friends.

[vapid briar]

The daily light change is only about 1/3 of the changes we have planned to implement. When the next stages are ready, they'll be on beta for a while.

Change tends to be scary and met with opposition just because it's different and unfamiliar rather than because it's truly bad. We're hoping that by introducing changes in stages so people have time to get accustomed to the idea before we add more things and start making balancing adjustments.

[carmine thorn]

I personally welcome the change. In live, I just CR three realms right now and cycle between them. So, once it is implemented, I'd actually get more candles out of my runs with the new system, I assume.

[tender oasis]

Probably it’s just me but i usually like to see the whole picture, because seeing only parts usually makes me feel very differently, if that makes sense. Eg. When new ts system came out in beta i wasn’t against it but didn’t see it as such a good thing either. After chevron system came out in it’s current form (which is demotivating for me to do a full runs) new ts system seems way more appealing compared to the live ts system. I’m curius tho what’s going to come and how my opinion will change with it.

[vapid briar]

We needed to make sure the Daily Light system worked correctly, which is why it was introduced ahead of other dependent features being complete. Introducing things gradually means we can ensure they're bug free, in addition to making things more digestible for feedback.

For context the build we released thursday had some very important bug fixes to address the major problems in live and getting feedback from beta testers was super important.

However, what everyone's focus zeroed in on was the change to headphones.

So while it can be a lot easier to form a well-rounded opinion of a system when all aspects are made available, often there's too much going on get a good gauge of feedback. I understand that it can seem counter intuitive, but it's a lot more effective for me to get the information that is requested by the design team back to them.

[analog citrus]

I think with a longer lead time for new changes going to live it gives us beta players more time to get used to features and we are less likely to give snap judgements for fear that they’ll be jumping to live ASAP

[slim kayak]

well, good news is that the frame drops i was getting in live aren't in beta at all, so yay bug fixes
and i understand giving us things to test in stages. less overwhelming for us and for tgc.

[tender oasis]

I just meant my feedback if I write now probably would’t be relatable or would be the total opposite after the next big feature comes out. And about the bug fixes, they worked for me and being camera pan free is such a relief

[lusty light]

No frame drops you say? 👁 I have to head over to the hot spring on native res mode and see how my iPad feels

[vapid briar]

Right, and that's totally okay for your stance to change when new information is made available. we hope that people would take the time to provide new feedback adjusted to account for new information. It's a continuous cycle of getting feedback, making changes, getting new feedback, making additional tailored changed to account for the new feedback, and so on.

This is called iterative design.

It's why your feedback is so important.

[slim kayak]

oh yikes. i'm completely stuck in the village now. what did i do. bug report time

i can't even honk uh... can someone else try activating the boats in the village, and immediately fly away from the cutscene? i think that's what happened to me

[proud sierra]

I just want to say that conversation was so insightful to me. There’s so much I haven’t considered

And also I’ve encountered that bug too, you can’t move even after the boat cutscene ends right?

[lusty light]

Native res mode in the hot spring and 0 frame drops HUGE poggers in chat rn

Or at least it’s not as bad as in live

Wait noooo it’s starting up

I’ll post a video of how bad it is

[slim kayak]

i have been freed!

[tender oasis]

Thanks for the detailed explanation Ktjn. Appreciate it.

[spark lance]

What is the easiest way to monitor frame rate on Android?

[slim kayak]

you can try gpu watch using dev mode, if you know how to turn it on. but have some caution with dev mode though, there are some weird settings in there. but i'm sure there are apps you can download instead too

[spark lance]

I'll try to take a look for apps. I really don't want to tinker with dev mode.

[slim kayak]

i willingly got stuck again for science

[analog citrus]

O yeah the hot springs is WAY less laggy than before. Even on high res on my iPad. Noice

[slim kayak]

aw, frame drop to 40 fps again. thought it got better but i guess not

[tender oasis]

Hmm it seems like jumping out of the boat activating cutscene is what makes us permanently stuck. Emotes work from emote menu, i could place table too, except calls. Those are totally not functioning even from menu. Seems like Dreams wants to teach us to wait for all the cutscenes to end .

[sullen relic]

So it’s behaving like the tutorial cutscene in Isle where you’re meant to fly up to the temple if you’re dragged away and don’t actually use a flap?

[tender oasis]

Which reminds me, i have to report that went up there last night after u left and got stuck And yes totally like that.

[south oyster]

Do y’all remember which quest unlocked hermit’s valley? I want to know to see if it’ll open in time on the live to take photos there for the challenge.

[lusty light]

The challenge ends in less than a week and the next quest isn’t going to be available for 8 more days

[runic path]

Hii ya. How to upload video bigger than 8MB while you do bug report? Can I send it in #beta-screenshots-videos and copy the link?

[carmine thorn]

Yes. I have had to do that in some bug reports.

[wheat pumice]

3rd quest I think.

[tight nymph]

yes,thankyou

[urban karma]

What is the design of the upgraded black cape?

[wild shore]

!whenisnextbetaupdate

[gilded parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/618885583330082836/723933779462455336/emoji.png

[spark lance]

went for an interesting time to see if the fps yeets out the window when i enter the hot springs

nvm i couldn’t come up with a punchline adios

[kindred fossil]

FPS is something i don't care for (using power saving mode for over a year), not sure how much i would be of help regarding that issue. i'll test the other ongoing issues later today though

[ebon sable]

!ts

[gilded parrot]

The next Traveling Spirit is scheduled to arrive on January 21 at 00:00 Pacific Time (UTC -8:00)
You can read how Traveling Spirits work here: http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits

[late mountain]

The upgraded black cape (and white cape) was only in the beta game for purchase briefly before being removed again. It’s likely to change from what we have seen given it has not been reimplemented yet in any of the more recent beta versions meaning it’s probably not ready yet. It may look similar to the other ascended capes, it may not, it might not even come out in the end. We’ll just have to wait and see.

[ebon sable]

Imagine how many ♥️ it will cost...

[late mountain]

Assuming it follows the current trend of three times the original price it will come in at 150 hearts. That’s subject to change though ^^

[grave wedge]

I want to ask something.
The eden candles we have to spend to get second wing cosmetic. Do we get a wing buff?

[tender oasis]

Yes those give us wing buffs too.

[grave wedge]

Wow that's great. Thank you for answering

[spark lance]

ha

[vast basin]

But did it ever have a look, and if, you got any phtotos?

[hollow compass]

I’m sure there at photos in #beta-screenshots-videos

[late mountain]

I don’t have it personally but there are some from a while ago in beta screenshots. I’ll see if I can find one.

[vast basin]

Thank you!

[minor falcon]

#beta-screenshots-videos message here's ascended white

[late mountain]

Here’s what they looked like in the past:
#beta-screenshots-videos message

Currently in live and beta they no longer look like this for the ones we have available, having shallower lines cutting into the wing and a colour correlated to the cape as the highlight.

[lusty light]

We don’t know if the swing will be returning

[spark lance]

If tgc is going to add more wax to balance the system.. does that mean people have to grind more than what they would now to get that 18/19 candle a day goal ?

[random gull]

I think they’re planning on adding more concentrated wax. i.e. we’ll have to collect more pieces of light but they will be closer together in the areas we run. Making it less time consuming and we can pick which places we like to run the most. Since there will be a hard cap on the max daily light we can collect (aside from special events that can go over).

[hollow compass]

Not according to what Ktjn told us. There is apparently a hard cap (and a soft one) in the game, so the total will only be dependant on how you cr.

[spark lance]

Can u rephrase please? What's a hard cap and a soft cap?

[lapis ore]

From what I gathered, Ktjn was saying that there will me more than enough wax to get the max daily candles so that people don't feel pressured to run everywhere and can focus on what they want to do (run 2-3 realms, etc)

So I guess the soft cap would be after you get to one or zero chevrons and the wax amount increases so slowly that people wouldn't want to continue cr?

[hollow compass]

Something like that. You can search back in the channel to find exactly what Ktjn said about it. But it’s important to remember that the chevron system is completely different to what we have now in Live, so the number of wax isn’t what determines your end result.

[faint hazel]

the old purple and white capes look cool, i hope that theyll look similar once they come to live

[spark lance]

Can you have fur cape in beta?

[lusty light]

The gratitude ones? Yes

[spark lance]

Thank you!

[hollow compass]

It is very rare, though.

[ebon sable]

There are many “new” beta players with that cape. Usually with the swing set.

[hollow compass]

Lol, yeah. Report them.

[ebon sable]

You kind of have to friend them first though right? I did report someone who admitted doing the wrong thing.

[drifting eagle]

You don’t have to friend people to report them- just tap them after lighting them up, tap where the report button usually is, and you can make your report.
This isn’t clear because the button isn’t there but the button retains function regardless. The only thing you have to do is light them so you can tap them.

[ebon sable]

Thank you! This will make my reporting life easier!

[drifting eagle]

This works in live too but i really wish they’d make it clearer that it’s possible to report without friending people
I’ve said in it the feedback channels before so I hope they make it a little more obvious

[tribal cosmos]

#other-tgc-games SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS

[spark lance]

#other-tgc-games is not related to beta

[carmine thorn]

Random topic of discussion. For those who have fiddled with the new candle forging system. Do you currently like how your flight refills fast on 3 chevrons, normal on 2 and slow on 1? I feel it makes the game more interesting, especially in places like forest and GW. Easy nyoom on 3^ normal play on 2^ and starving for flight on 1^ when solo playing.

Edit: can't see anything on it, but is that intended or just a byproduct of the current testing phase of it?

[slim kayak]

Wait, it affects flight too? I haven't noticed (maybe because I dont candle run beta very much)

[carmine thorn]

When you grab wax, you get noticeably more flight from 3^ over 2^, more flight from 2^ over 1^. CR with a friend/battery isn't noticeable but solo run is.

[storm vessel]

Not a typo flight and light?

[carmine thorn]

You know how your flight meter goes up when collecting wax? You get more "flight" the higher your ^ is.

[storm vessel]

Probably because higher chevron means more lights? So it gives higher flight power?

[carmine thorn]

I hope that's intended. Changes how you plan your solo runs in wax starved areas. Tried GW on 1^ and it was an interesting experience.

[storm vessel]

Imagine 0 chevron lol

[carmine thorn]

I think it would be like running the area after already collecting wax from that area, no flight increase except when standing on a light source. (Candle, lantern, etc)

[sullen relic]

If that's actually what's happening, then I don't think it'd be a good design choice: it encourages running wax-sparse areas first since those areas get the most benefit from it, while doing wax-dense areas first is likely wasting your light recharge since you're probably overfilling your capacity. That'd mean there's a clearly beneficial order to running the realms rather than encouraging people to explore the areas as they'd like, while also creating less incentive for players to continue collecting wax in a day if they started with the most wax-dense areas first.

[carmine thorn]

I think it is. I'll change my route over the next few days and see if my hypothesis is correct. I don't candle run in beta enough to drop below 2 chevrons often. I think I've only seen 1 chevron twice since this was introduced.

[spark lance]

I had noticed my flight being more robust lately, and I just took it as beta being more optimized in some ways ( I have considerably less wedges in beta and don't care as much about my wl there). Also I don't do much in the way of CR if I'm not in a group in beta so what I experience with flight is based on short stints there, I.e. when my chevron are still pretty high.

[glossy sedge]

Do you know how to do the crab walk? I really want to know

[carmine thorn]

That was an emote from Enchantment season. Only way to get it is when it comes back as a TS.

[glossy sedge]

I have that emote, but I want to walk with the emote. Just doing the emote and walk at the same time. My friend take me to do this but I really don’t understand how

[carmine thorn]

Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding. I honestly don't know. I usually use lvl 4 while waiting for 8 player elevator in live.

[glossy sedge]

It’s OK Waiting for eight players elevator always needs patience

[fringe arrow]

how do I get beta??

[tender oasis]

I think the only area where the charging speed really matters is wasteland, because there is barely any option to charge there. I’m rarely alone so i don’t have much experience with this, but doing wasteland with one or zero chevron is not worth it at all. (You can get like 1-1,5 candle for it) So I think you will eventually put wasteland on the beginning of the run or just skip it, aka slow charging speed wont really matter?

[carmine thorn]

#beta-faq you would need to wait for the next invite wave. I highly suggest getting the invite ping role if you want to help test content. Please keep in mind, beta is for testing only. Things will be broken.

[fringe arrow]

nvm i found out

[hollow compass]

Granted, I haven't cr in ages, but I don't understand this talk about charging speed being low. Do you all only fly everywhere? I remember especially in Wasteland, staying on the ground is safer, plus incorporating a recharge stop by a wl, if I did use up a lot of power.

[late mountain]

I think what they’re talking about is how wax refills your light meter. Whenever you collect wax you get flight power, most noticeable when alone as you’re likely to be missing enough flight power to notice the sudden recharges as you pass over a candle cake or burn up a dark plant. With this new chevron system they’re saying the amount of flight power received scales too.
So for example (may not be accurate entirely accurate) lighting a candle cake at zero wedges of eleven flight power with three chevrons may fully recharge 11 wing wedges from the wax collected, but if you light a different candle cake later with zero chevrons and zero wedges you may only replenish a few flight flaps from the wax collected.

The amount of wax balls collected was the same in both cases but the worth of the wax was much less in the second version, both for making candles and replenishing flight.

As for how much we fly it changes for each player, personally I fly most of wasteland so something like this would matter to me on a solo run.

[hollow compass]

Yes, I understood that's how it works (now, whether intentional or not). I was just surprised that people use up so much flight power, when Wasteland is usually safer on foot. But I suppose flying is faster.

[dapper nova]

Gotta go fast

[late mountain]

Yeah, it would change depending on the playstyle. With the home shield bug still working the danger is significantly reduced, but even if its patched in the future some people love to practice krill attack dodging, others are fast to hide and some can just afford to lose the wings and take the hit if it doesn't happen too often. Workplace Health and Safety just does not apply to some sky children in wasteland as they collect the daily wax and sometimes wings.

[tender oasis]

I'm definitely a flyer there and wax recharging is nice because you don't have to stop and wait around wl. Since spirits are not charging anymore thats also less option where you refill the flightbar.

[carmine thorn]

Or people like me who will reject the home method. I know people like using it, and that's their play style. It seems gathering flight power from wax isn't as drastic as I thought per initial testing. Going to try some more tomorrow though. 5 wax balls gave me 1.75 wings at 3 chevrons and 5 wax balls gave me 1.5 at 2. Need a more constant way of testing though.

Did the 5 candle wax bunches in bird's nest, so butterflies or birds might have caused an anomaly in the test. Will try a place where regen can't happen tomorrow, like gw.

[mossy glacier]

Ive been encountering people lately who seems to be getting iap multiple times. Are they hacking or was that possible?

[carmine thorn]

!reportfaq it most likely is one.

[gilded parrot]

Here's some info on how to report players in the game: https://bit.ly/ReportFAQ

[mossy glacier]

Sorry for the late reply

There's this bug where you that by doing this:

1. Do the emote
2. Press the ? on the emotes menu (located on the upper-right corner of the screen)
3. Scroll up to open an instrument

Your emote menu should automanically close and you should be able to walk with the emote

[mossy glacier]

Thankiees, i know how to report, just dont know if they're hacking

[hollow compass]

There is no iap to buy in beta currently, and when there is it’s usually only the AP or an event cosmetic that you only buy once.

[glossy sedge]

Ahhhhh!Thank you so much!

[silent lily]

I've never noticed that o.o thought it gives the same charge

[pale junco]

So part of a chevron goes down with 150 wax, right?

[wild shore]

roger.

[simple sparrow]

I can’t find a single person in beta

Omg when I say that a lot of people appear

When I converted my seasonal wax today it didn’t give me any candles

[lament belfry]

will the swing be back soon on beta?

[raw quest]

Hmm i pre-registered on sky but it wasnt compatible with my device 🥲

[radiant drum]

#beta-bugs-ios or #beta-bugs-android

[radiant drum]

We don’t know if TGC will bring the swing back at all, let alone test it in beta

It will likely return because of how past events are being brought back, but there have been items and events that TGC did not test in beta at all

[random gull]

they didnt test the healing flower at all before it went live that didn't go over well

[lament belfry]

thank you!

[finite meteor]

haha chair xylophone go brrrr

[random gull]

every-accessory-plays-xylophone glitch and the graphics glitch for certain android users that got introduced in the same patch. I still don't know if that was caused by the flower or something else in the patch

[craggy bloom]

If you saw many hackers with swing these days, that just means tgc added new swing pack after update in the shop for Valentine i guss.. Maybe???

[random gull]

well it was available in the past in beta. people have the jelly umbrella and deer mask in beta and those aren't coming back any time soon (if at all) because ults returning is so low priority with everything else going on. I wouldn't gauge "lots of hackers have this so it must be coming soon". It's best to just be patient and watch #news and #beta-announcements to see what TGC is actually planning for us than make haphazard guesses. Someone will take you seriously and be upset when it's wrong.

[radiant drum]

And let's not start a discussion about hackers here please. Report them and move on

It's also important to remember that beta isn't early access or a way to get IAP cosmetics for free. Don't be upset if we don't get to test things at all or have them wiped from us in the future

[hollow compass]

Deer mask and jelly umbrella were never available in beta.

[random gull]

swing was available in the past (so people do legitimately have swings in beta). I was using jelly umbrella and deer mask as examples that it isn't necessarily going to be available "soon" in beta for people to be able to get it by means of hacking. but this isn't a conversation that should continue like Mirian said.

[hollow compass]

It didn’t quite read that way, but I understand the point you were trying to make.

[random gull]

sorry for the confusion on wording then

[sour lantern]

Why is the invisible cape so expensive?

[random gull]

you can check the pins for a more detailed explanation but basically it's an easter egg. it exposes the rigging wonkiness of the skykids so they really don't want everyone flying around with it

[spark lance]

I’m still wondering is it possible to transfer your seasonal candles from this season to the other one if you don’t log in until the day the new season arrives?

[random gull]

it shouldn't be. people have had that glitch and work out in the past but we do still have things to test on beta between seasons so it's discouraged to purposefully not log in just to keep seasonal candles. you'll have plenty of time to earn enough candles for next season as evidenced by the fact that there can be upwards of 1000 seasonal candles leftover for active beta testers when our season ends.

[spark lance]

True I wouldn’t do it personally because there is some things in beta that needs testing

[random gull]

pakka I see you lurking you excited for candle conversion? I'm definitely gonna spend all my leftover candles on friend upgrades. I'll probably need some eden trips oof

[sour lantern]

Also, how does one get the beta invites ping role?

[random gull]

you can self assign it in #beta-faq ! click ont he reaction role

[tender oasis]

Oh I can’t wait, I never had 1000 candles in stock i wonder how much time it will take until they all add up to the regular candle icon right after conversion

[random gull]

oh I wonder if candle conversion will deplete a chevron

[tender oasis]

Theoretically it shouldn’t, but we will see

[random gull]

keep seeing people talk about "0.41 candles in x area" like man this system is going to upend all of that. I can see why Ktjn was talking about giving things to us in stages after watching beta go through the stages of grief over it and watching live still talk about the old system like it's a concrete fact I can't wait to see where else this system goes though

[hollow compass]

Yeah, all those charts and maps...all useless soon. But I think this new system will be good.

[random gull]

I think some of the maps will still be useful! they're definitely going to have to update them a lot with the wax that's supposed to be added in the future. I actually still haven't gone in and said where I wanna see more wax myself yet I should probably do that

[hollow compass]

Oh, we were asked to do that?

[mental ridge]

Yesss, Ktjn asked us in the chat over a week ago. I should send in my suggestions at last as well, aaa, I keep forgetting about it

[random gull]

let me find the original message!

found it! #beta-discussion message

[vapid drum]

That’s an easy one ...... vault 😛 the rest is equally divided imo

Oops , I forgot isle , I know it’s a tutorial but that area definitely needs some love

[hollow compass]

Um, well...I think there are other places as well, like little nooks and crannies within other realms.

[vapid drum]

I think it would be a great idea to bring back the races giving wax equal to the amount of lights collected. It would definitely make it a more social thingy again too. Instead of racing as fast as possible to finish the ‘race ‘ itself