general-feedback-discussion

[woeful latch]

they expanded south plains, now we got new giant flat biome

where south beach sanctuary is

[normal shuttle]

most of it is an open area. And south plains (savannah now) is still largely open but with plenty of visual cover that helps guess who: carnos, omnis, ceras, troodons, dilos, rexes

and every carnivore to come save for spino, deino and sucho

[woeful latch]

we also got west rail and north plains as well plains

[dire bear]

Not like those dinos were struggling

[normal shuttle]

because now you cannot be spotted from a mile away. Now people have to use their eyes and awareness

[dire bear]

But more ponds not connected to rivers means deino is dead

[woeful latch]

making the map too flat is actually a bad idea, it’s what people use for endless deathmatch

[normal shuttle]

deino has always been in its death throes. Regardless it has a planned rework and mechanics to make it not abysmal

[woeful latch]

good, they should stay in the rivers where they belong and can actually travel and sustain themselves

[lilac bolt]

its also (most of the time) visually boring in my opinion

[woeful latch]

pond deino is more of a gamble and risky move

[dire bear]

Jungle is even more boring and hits on performance

[woeful latch]

yeah i agree, that’s why adding rocks and at least somewhat uneven terrain is good imo

[woeful latch]

don’t go there

[dire bear]

?

[woeful latch]

good thing they added patrol zones, you don’t have to go to places you don’t want to go

stay at the plains if you like plains

[dire bear]

What is that logic lol

Bad map design is ok because players can avoid it? Lol.

[woeful latch]

it’s quite obvious to erm.. rest of the community

[woeful latch]

it’s not a bad map design tho lol

[wooden agate]

"bad map design" and its literally just them moving around where the plains are lol

[dire bear]

🤓

[woeful latch]

so the good map design should be just plains?

[lilac bolt]

yep

[woeful latch]

👹

[dire bear]

Good map design should be everything

[lilac bolt]

what?

[woeful latch]

that totally makes sense xd

[normal shuttle]

look, this is the open area of south plains now. Does it look like a swamp or jungle or anything that wouldn't benefit carnivores and enrich gameplay?

[dire bear]

Im genuinely confused how ppl are disagreeijf with me. Do you guys just hate variety? I just dont get it. If the devs added a new plains biome yall would be hating on anyone who said it wasnt good either. Bizarre

[woeful latch]

new biome is really good, i’d also like some rocks and little bit less bushes around

[wooden agate]

they just added a new plains biome and we're saying its good....

im so confused lol

[normal shuttle]

okay, argue with non fallacious arguments why variety for the sake of variety is good

[dire bear]

Its not worth it tbh

[lilac bolt]

variety in a map isn't always important. it can be part of what can make a good map but it doesn't determine how good it is

[woeful latch]

no one hates you, well not me.

we got south plains, new savannah plains, north plains, highlands are mostly flat, west rail, there’s so many plains on the map

[lilac bolt]

theres more to it then that when it comes to map design

[woeful latch]

whole delta is also flat

like how come you can’t find those on the map..

[normal shuttle]

then no one can agree with you, if you won't care to explain why is it an inherent positive to have visibly and completely different biomes when a) the new biome objectively makes gameplay more engaging and b) it literally is a biome we have never seen before over the grasslands we have seen since Isla Spiro

[woeful latch]

same ahaha

[dire bear]

When u showed me the picture i literally couldnt tell it was new thats how samey it looks but whatever

[woeful latch]

🫥

[limber hull]

i love variety. they literally added more variety in this update. there's so much varying biomes and places. the new south savannah type area is insanely unique

[normal shuttle]

what's samey about it? the palette?

structure wise we haven't had a map like that since some section of early legacy lol

[limber hull]

"we want a flat field"

you got a flat field. the new south is literally flat, bushy savannah area, and we decided we hated it

[woeful latch]

i genuinely can’t tell if he’s just trolling or actually thinks the map is just jungle

[dire bear]

Its the exact same bushes, shrubs and trees that are everywhere else. There's literally no difference to it. Just a slightly altered placement of those shrubs then usual

[wooden agate]

this is how i know you havent actually visited that area of the map because there is infact unique and new foliage in that biome

[normal shuttle]

it's been a hot minute since we ever got a savannah and now this time there's cover that:

from the prey's perspective, forces you to remain aware and not just turn off your brain in the open

from the predators's perspective, makes plains no longer a fully safe haven for large herbivores AND your very cover is also an obstacle that works against you.

[dire bear]

Well yeah cuz I havent lol

Show me new assets pls

[wooden agate]

brother hasnt even been there and hes trying to say its bad 😭

[limber hull]

LMAOOO

[wooden agate]

this is just "magy bad animal" but map edition

[woeful latch]

well if you payed more attention you’d know that trees you see at the highlands don’t look like trees you find at the swamps, it’s just one example but most biomes got their own set of trees/bushes you can’t really find anywhere else on the map

yes, i spent some time looking at the different trees, i actually did it

[dire bear]

Literally the only example of variety

[woeful latch]

what else do you want?

[normal shuttle]

IT IS A GREAT CONCEPT

And neat to accomodate not only rex, but also benefits allo, carno, cera, giga, acro, bary, rugops, mono, dilo, omni, troodon and maybe sucho

How is that bad? It has forward compatibility unlike spiro with its infinite revamps and actual two biomes

[barren crater]

That area was mostly jungles btw. South plains is largely the same lol

[woeful latch]

the palette looks different depending on the biome too

[dire bear]

Is there actually something new in the "new biome" or are yall just saying just to say things

[woeful latch]

well you should play the game and you’ll know

grab a galli and explore

[normal shuttle]

I am telling you the value it brings

[lilac bolt]

yeah its just a place that can actively add to the game its nice

[dire bear]

I never said spiro was good lol

[woeful latch]

the devs mentioned in the patch notes what exactly they changed so you don’t even have to guess, run around the map and explore

you will be surprised but it’s not just jungles or swamps

[dire bear]

Literally in all the screenshots i see of the new biome its the same assets so idk what to tell you

[junior nymph]

facts this was the new area

[normal shuttle]

never said you did, but I was implying there has been improvement and the direction they have been taking is good

[woeful latch]

is verity of biomes

[woeful latch]

they’re not

[barren crater]

^^ they just made that area playable lol

[woeful latch]

people were asking for water source for so long, i’m glad they finally added one

and it’s safe as well, you don’t have to fear deinos

[barren crater]

They turned a jungle into a Savannah pretty much. How is there any complaints?

[woeful latch]

looks like a good spot for the potential communal nesting zones

[barren crater]

South plains is also the exact same look

[woeful latch]

yeah, they removed one of the hills, but that’s it

[barren crater]

I’m happy with the area

I never had any need to go there before

[woeful latch]

the water is so dirty tho😭😭😭

[junior nymph]

where else can you get this

[normal shuttle]

not only this isn't really true but you are also judging something simply based on the tiny individual pieces- no, not even that, but instead the cover of those pieces

It's like saying a building isn't special or unique when it could be completely different and innovating compared to another, and all because they have the same color and material.

Your observation feels overly superficial, and overlooking the major implications and value to gameplay that has to create a biome where your very camouflage is your obstacle and fundamentally alters how predator stalks and prey is aware of threats. It has brought a change in something we have been doing for almost a decade

[limber hull]

"same assets" but utilised in a brand new way that we've not seen before

so it's not the same

[normal shuttle]

exactly!!!

this is actually great as an addition in every conceivable way

[junior nymph]

or this

[normal shuttle]

and without trying to downplay Kyrill's arguments, all I am hearing is that the colors and maybe the appearance of some plants is similar

[junior nymph]

its a biome done RIGHT

[normal shuttle]

despite completely changing how you interact with it

[woeful latch]

has anybody else noticed the night vision improvements

[normal shuttle]

yes

[junior nymph]

yes

[woeful latch]

and sun doesn’t blind, that’s so good

i was shocked when it was a nighttime and i could see things as galli

trike still got terrible one, but i mean.. that makes sense at least, it’s not pitch black and i’m happy

[dire bear]

Idk what to tell you bro its the exact same ctr c ctr v assets. There is so many new assets on unreal marketplace idk why they just dont use them. For some reason, despite the glowing reviews by isle discord, I just cannot get myself to care about another marshland / swamp. If it replaced the thick jungle that was there than thats good I guess? But its such a low standard to be impressed by. I cant really convince u guys anything and yall cant convince me so no point in really talking about it, its just some people are happier with different things I guess

[normal shuttle]

why are you so fixated on calling it a swamp

[dire bear]

Because it is. As someone who lived in florida I know what a swamp looks like lol

[normal shuttle]

and I am telling that if you could explain what gameplay value does it bring to do as you say, then maybe I could agree

but so far I am the only one giving reasons as for why it is a positive

[dire bear]

No gameplay value, I just want asethetic value. Graphics and visuals are also important

[normal shuttle]

I have more evidence to see this as a positive. Also, does that imply the new biomes are ugly? why?

[limber hull]

it isnt even a swamp. you haven't seen the biome yet so i guess you wouldn't know tho lmao

[dire bear]

They arent ugly on their own, but im just disappointed to hear that they added a new "biome" without anything new in it, so visually it looks very similar to everything else. Consideirng how huge gateway is it would be nice to have a break from the same coler pallete (highlands is good but its not enough)

[normal shuttle]

I think there's no better and more clear way to put it than ticking boxes

[latent olive]

i think thats the beach that changes your skin

[junior nymph]

💀

[woeful latch]

hm.. what biome would you want to see in the game?

[latent olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1360594504360656926/camouflage_gallimimus_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.mp4?ex=67fbafe0&is=67fa5e60&hm=2a22d94620dc2cafa5ec53668f8367b1b519f907864d7a368e91d3ee1e60647c&

dont worry guys, its definitely a swamp
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1360590906654200100/gamimussavannah_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.mp4?ex=67fbac86&is=67fa5b06&hm=dc6f4abafee72ca465337e4a8e9002237cf7bfa7591e5782f94123d143ea0beb&

[dire bear]

Desert would be epic

[junior nymph]

it is. it has water clearly swamp

[latent olive]

im hopping on just to check out that section of the map some more

[normal shuttle]

Completely new type of biome despite usage of similar plant assets to craft a landscape that we haven't seen since 2016 and even then it was vague back then ✅

Innovating side mechanic to make ambushes more strategic in a way never seen before in these games ✅

Preys can no longer rely on grasslands for the most part as safe havens where you see a predator coming from 400m away ✅

Accomodates future playables and doesn't make their existence countered entirely by open areas ✅

So...I have my reasons to believe this change benefits the game and is the right direction to go

[normal shuttle]

how do you even shoehorn that into a map with jungles?

[latent olive]

spinosaurus in the savannah is going to be such a vibe

[dire bear]

Map can easily fit multiple climates

[gentle rampart]

delta & coast**

[normal shuttle]

...

[dire bear]

I mean i dont disagree I just wanted more I guess

[normal shuttle]

unless you make it the size of a country, not at all

[dire bear]

Oh we care about realism now lol

[lilac bolt]

i think it would just look out of place

[dire bear]

How come rdr2 has vastly different climates in a short area and NO ONE COMPLAINED

[gentle rampart]

we already have enough issues finding each other without hotspots, expanding the island to accomodate that would be a terrible idea, and forcing a biome shift like that would turn gateway into a fortnite map without expanding the island

[dire bear]

Yall are making up problems just for fun

[lilac bolt]

rdr2 has a massive map the size of an entire state?

[normal shuttle]

I am all for prioritizing gameplay over realism. But that's just like putting a polar bear in arizona. Those two (jungle and desert) in an island so small are completely incompatible unless you made some truly bizarre geography of the map, and all for what? to have a third of the map unavailable and unusable for a large chunk of the roster?

[dire bear]

Its about the same as gateway

Horses are just slow in rdr2 so it makes map feel bigger

[normal shuttle]

rdr2 doesn't have a desert and an Amazon jungle in the same 15x15km map

[gentle rampart]

also has issues with players meeting organically, rdr2 doesnt have an ecosystem in place where players require other player deaths to survive

incomparable

[normal shuttle]

or maybe we are providing reasons as for why an idea is not very sensible or feasible

[dire bear]

Rdr2 has : Snow biome, east lush swamp biome, northern boreal forest biome, desert biome, savannah biome, plains biome, temperate forest biome and prolly more are missed. There is no good reason as to why gateway cant have these too

[limber hull]

lmao thats rich as hell coming from a dude who's arguing the map changes are bad despite not playing them

[normal shuttle]

in fact tell me. Tell me who would get value out of a desert in the roster. Deinos? Spinos? Austros? Rexes? Camas?

just tell me, don't back down

you want a desert. Let's imagine you are Don's nephew and you get it

[barren crater]

It’s a discussion bro chill

[gentle rampart]

POT is the same way, the biome shift isnt smooth and their gondwa map is too big for players to organically meet to survive in the ecosystem. a part of why i think they dont have diet requirements and much more ai

[dire bear]

Many fast animals like galli

[dire bear]

Pot map is insanely good sorry

[normal shuttle]

now what, who can use the desert now?

AND NO CHILL BIRD /lh

[dire bear]

So much more interesting

[gentle rampart]

far from it

[normal shuttle]

good, galli. 1/60

Who else?

[woeful latch]

well that’s a good point i guess, they’re working on redwoods and we will surely get more biomes in the future, doubt we will get some crazy stuff like snowy biome but nothing stops them from creating a new map in the future

[normal shuttle]

who else can use that desert?

[dire bear]

Put all herbivore diets in there so it will be a good spot for herbis, but also dangerous cuz open area. Would make it fun

[limber hull]

why would all herbi diets be in a desert???

[woeful latch]

i’d like desert one too, if they make it hope it’s not going to be too flat, i want some ravine

[dire bear]

That would be really good too

[gentle rampart]

maybe if they made a second island with more highlands style biomes where a desert could be feasible and you could just pick that server but thats still asking them to take the time (a lot of time) to make that and create the assets for it

[woeful latch]

i think that’s a bad idea

[dire bear]

Isle devs dont create assets as far as I know they are from marketlace (nothing bad about that btw)

Atleast the vegetation

[woeful latch]

i can see them adding small oasis areas with diets, but i’d expect to see some plants like cacti all around the desert

[normal shuttle]

why would you put papayas, brazilnuts, agaves, banana plants, fireweed, radish roots and pumpkins in a desert...?

Also open areas are not dangerous unless you are slow and/or outnumbered. It would be the most free place ever for hadrosaurs, galli, dryo and all of those lol

[gentle rampart]

i thought they were moving away from that and doing it all in-house?

[normal shuttle]

So...what about a deino? What is it supposed to do in the desert?

[dire bear]

Well currently all vegetation on map is marketplace so

[dire bear]

I dont like your arguments bro. Just because a biome isnt advantageous to half the roster does not mean it shouldnt exist

[normal shuttle]

????

[woeful latch]

well.. nile river.

[dire bear]

Your literally saying that if certain dinos arent going to thrive in a desert so desert shouldnt be added

[icy lion]

They create their own assets

[gentle rampart]

gateway doesnt have room for a desert and expanding the island is a bad idea

[dire bear]

Source?

[woeful latch]

what’s your source tho..

[icy lion]

The developers, old #phase-two-archive posts showing off custom assets, devblogs

[normal shuttle]

this is so wrong

Please, consider the implications of that. You would be creating a section of the map (probably large so it doesn't look awful) that part of the roster cannot access or they get absolutely nothing out of it. That means that you are creating safe zones for many creatures to artificially avoid bad matchups or main predators.

It absolutely shouldn't be added if you are just going to create a glorified sanctuary but for adults and elders lmao

[barren crater]

Yeah and it’s been shown in devblogs

[icy lion]

Not everything is custom, like the ai, but those may be replaced with bespoke models

[normal shuttle]

like bruv 😭 how can you say that

[dire bear]

Are you talking about buldingd and structures? I specifically was talking about foliage. You are being disingenuous and dishonest for no reason so im not gonna bother

[normal shuttle]

it's like if they turned a quarter of the map into a sanctuary and most have it inaccessible. Why adding it?

[icy lion]

I am talking about foliage

[dire bear]

Link me the post in phase 2 where they show custom foliage

[icy lion]

It might've been in a devblog, but the swamp trees and a variety of the diet plants we currently have were showcased

[dire bear]

Diet plants are one thing im talking about the shrubs, trees, grass texture, misc foliage etc. im not sure about swamp trees tho tbh

[normal shuttle]

Parasaurolophus casually going into the desert magically inside a tropical island, where it can find all of its diet, water without deinos or spinos, and since it is a desert it cannot get ambushed by apexes

Amazing game design.

[dire bear]

That dino does not exist

[icy lion]

#phase-two-archive message

[normal shuttle]

not currently but it is planned and not too far off. So...would your plan be to remove the desert then when para comes to prevent that from happening?

[dire bear]

Ok then I admit not all foliage is marketplace but still 90% is (which is perfectly fine, I just wished they used MORE marketplace assets for more variety)

[woeful latch]

that was just an example and actually a good point..

[normal shuttle]

but hey

Savannah bringing in new mechanics is bad

[woeful latch]

maybe not 100% desert, but desert-ish area could work on gateway, but only if they make the map bigger ig

[normal shuttle]

[dire bear]

Even if we are talking about a dino that doesnt exist yet, its ok to have some biomes be good for some dinos

[woeful latch]

because i honestly don’t see the part of the map that can become desert, we need a new island for that or just bigger gateway

[dire bear]

Literally half the map can be nuked and I wouldnt care at all

[woeful latch]

i would..😔

[dire bear]

Theres only south plains and highlands as far as im concerned

[woeful latch]

there’s only few tiny places that can be changed, because the rest already looking good and unique

[dire bear]

In fact id actually be happy if they did that because smaller map means more player interaction

[woeful latch]

this is just trolling, okay

[normal shuttle]

good is one thing. But a proper desert done in a way that doesn't look like God just poured some sand over a corner of the island would be flat out UNUSABLE for many playables in the roster. Apex carnivores would be doomed, especially deino and spino, and then also animals like pterosaurs who rely heavily on big elevations within the same area

Also I'm guessing hypsis, herras, anky, minmi, and cheirus

swamp is more advantageous for certain playables

[woeful latch]

at first i actually thought you were serious

[normal shuttle]

but it doesn't make 20 playables useless

[dire bear]

I dont see any players in the swamp like ever. Its not advantageous for anyone if nobody even stays there

[woeful latch]

that’s a wrong way of thinking.. don’t make the map smaller to force players to interact more often, make the map even bigger and increase the player count significantly to get an amazing ecosystem

let’s be real when game gets its full roster no way there’s gonna be 100 player slots servers around

[dire bear]

Sure but the devs refuse to add more player slots

They have been asked and said straight up no

[woeful latch]

they don’t, they experimented on HT and some servers have 160 players

not to mention community servers with 300+..

which is a lot even for gateway imo

[dire bear]

I remember kissen saying that they have "no plans" for more server slots

So if u take that as a yes then go for it lol

Im not holding my breath

[woeful latch]

well apparently they do plan

which is good

[dire bear]

Hopefully but its not what she said

[woeful latch]

doesn’t matter, that’s what they do

we already got 110 on officials when it used to be just 100

[junior nymph]

the servers they use cant up it without lag I think (from a felipe stream with poutine)

[woeful latch]

at some point it will be 200.. and more and more

[dire bear]

Then get better servers

If petit pieds can do it so can the company

[normal shuttle]

unrelated reasons

Swamp is not used frequently for other than smart herbis because it didn't have the luck of becoming a popular iconic place, and its layout takes more learning than that of north lake, highlands or south plains, but it is not something inherently about the swamp. People just feel deterred from sticking for too long because it is a giant labyrinth.

If I were a rex at the swamp, I could still take advantage of the many shallow areas and also dry land to move around and even use the copious amounts of cover to hunt effectively. On the other hand, a rex in a desert can only hope to scavenge because it will be seen coming from far away and hadrosaurs will just start getting away well before you can get in killing range with your ambush

a swamp doesn't make a creature inherently useless or impossible to keep alive like a spino in a desert

[junior nymph]

petits is a EU and NA based server TI needs to account for every server

[dire bear]

No you wouldnt if you were a rex because there would be nobody in the swamp to hunt except fresh spawns who are desperately trying to leave. A place becoming popular has NOTHING to do with luck, its all about how enjoyable players find hanging around there. Swamp is a death maze that cant be navigated

[junior nymph]

in every area they have them in

[normal shuttle]

with due respect, the point flew over your head

[dire bear]

You know that upgrading servers isnt a hard thing to do right? I run my own server in malaysia lol

[normal shuttle]

there is nothing about the swamp that makes a dinosaur inherently unviable

but a desert? absolutely

[woeful latch]

the only reason south plains is a hotspot is because majority of dinos spawn there most of the times

[dire bear]

No players does that

[woeful latch]

it’s between sp and west rail

[normal shuttle]

because if there were players (which can perfectly survive btw) in the swamp, then something like rex would survive just fine

[dire bear]

You can talk about theory all u want but it doesnt matter cuz players love plains and will always leave other biomes to hang out in plains

[woeful latch]

they just need to work on spawns and hotspot problem will get fixed very soon

[junior nymph]

honestly with spawn codes coming in just make it completely random

[dire bear]

But there isnt so

[normal shuttle]

but what is a spino supposed to do in a desert whether or not it is populated?

[normal shuttle]

IT DOESNT MATTER. IT IS UNRELATED

[junior nymph]

or forest animals spawn in forests and plains animals spawn in plains and semi aquatics spawn near water

[normal shuttle]

[dire bear]

It is related broski

[woeful latch]

that would be fair, but i still want herbivores to spawn at least where their migration might spawn, not completely random

and like if it’s something semi-aquatic then it needs to spawn in swampy area or delta or something like that

[normal shuttle]

not in the slighest. Or well, we could use that same logic with the desert. I guess we could imagine that no one would use it, thus every carnivore is inherently bad there becaure there's just fresh spawns willing to leave

[woeful latch]

honestly, they should delete every biome and add giant redwoods instead, can we all agree👹👹👹👹👹👹

[dire bear]

The isle isnt singleplayer

[dire bear]

Would be preferable tbh

[woeful latch]

xddd

[normal shuttle]

instead of talking about the intricacies and properties of different biomes, let's judge them based on player activity. Completely disregarding that a spino in a desert oasis would die whether or not it is populated

[dire bear]

I have been enjoying legacy so much lately just because the map is so much better

I mean thenyaw not v3

[normal shuttle]

[woeful latch]

oh well thenyaw is mostly dense forest

[normal shuttle]

thought you liked map variety

[dire bear]

Its not jungle tho atleast

[woeful latch]

doesn’t even have any open plains really..

[woeful latch]

well i’d expect you to like v3 more since its more “open”

[dire bear]

I like thenyaw because its small, looks nice asthetically, (much nicer than evrima jungle) and has 1 good lake and hotspot with a plains around it

[normal shuttle]

I love how V3 is just shattered into shards by that massive swamp/jungle/river that conditions all of your traveling

[dire bear]

So like gateway

[normal shuttle]

not at all lmaoooo

gateway is nothing like v3

[woeful latch]

no…

[dire bear]

Oh nvm u forgot to add the massive mountains blocking every step

In gateway

[normal shuttle]

there's nothing blocking you

like, ever

[dire bear]

Even ptera gets blocked in gateway thats how blocky it is

[woeful latch]

i’d agree with you if we would talk about old gateway, but new one doesn’t really have any mountains blocking you

[limber hull]

V3 has that. Gateway isn't nearly that bad

[normal shuttle]

only roadblock ptera has is the highlands period.

everything can run almost in a straight line

[woeful latch]

and tbh my only issue always were the domes that were useless and i was forced to go around them, but most of them thankfully got removed and now it’s not a problem anymore

[dire bear]

I heavily disagree I cant play gateway without a third party map or I just end up taking horribly inefficient routes

[woeful latch]

i don’t see any “mountains” blocking.. if you disagree then show it on the map at least

[junior nymph]

learn locations

[normal shuttle]

because highlands can be accessed from ANY major location except swamp and you can go anywhere through there. Heading from north lake to south plains is almost a straight line in gateway. Meanwhile going from hidden lake down to twin lakes in v3 required you get around the awful canyon with jungle and river around and then part of the swamp until you finally had to run through the forest for a while until you got there

[junior nymph]

I dont even use a map anymore its just a skill issue

[woeful latch]

i hate that canyon, it’s so bad

[dire bear]

Highland mountains to the south of it, the area below south plains, the entirety of swamp and the area between south plains and highlands

[normal shuttle]

there's a clear, quick path from sp to highlands with a bridge included...

[dire bear]

Also delta

If ur a land dino

[woeful latch]

i’ll be honest i never really had any issues with that.. but if you do just use the map once and then you’ll remember route

[woeful latch]

it’s not bad, i don’t think so

[normal shuttle]

two bridges and only two river crosses needed at best if you have any knowledge about the layout

[woeful latch]

the swamps are confusing, but that’s the point of swamps

[latent olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1360813410387759114/gallimimusinthesavannah2_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.mp4?ex=67fc7bbf&is=67fb2a3f&hm=658e46312c8bced5dd0ec02369cf700e9b7a18da183d477abb4d2cc25a4d5c34&

[dire bear]

Two bridges that herreras camp

[latent olive]

dont worry its still a swamp
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1360814035406160044/ceratochasegallimimer_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.mp4?ex=67fc7c54&is=67fb2ad4&hm=117298d36ffd91e683f30583083b1a8b88dcaaa215d9c2ddbb16350a9c27c3e3&

[normal shuttle]

mfw I look up or dodge pounces

[dire bear]

Thats what a real swamp looks like yes

[woeful latch]

just look up if you expect to find them there and try to bait or run left and right like crazy so they can’t predict your next move

[normal shuttle]

clearly a swamp

[dire bear]

I guess u could also call it a "marshland"

But swamp is more accurate

[latent olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1360814528715034634/galliflock_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.mp4?ex=67fc7cca&is=67fb2b4a&hm=3e714a03c8cf1415746783c16e30870f8f8ec0c976b15938e85b313d3564689f&

how is this a swamp

[dire bear]

In real life swamps look like that

[junior nymph]

fr

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/you-bait-bait-you-bait-like-a-you-bait-like-a-pro-gman-gif-7874375902077166871

[dire bear]

Tall grass and shrubs with bodies of shallow water everwhere

[latent olive]

there arent bodies of water everywhere

[dire bear]

Its a very accurate swamp

[latent olive]

theres a few watering holes sprinkled around

[normal shuttle]

uh.......................

(wetlands and savannah respectively)

[woeful latch]

mhmm swamp

[latent olive]

i see what he means though
https://floridahikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Kissimmee-River-floodplain-1-1600x900.jpg

[woeful latch]

yeah but the new biome looks nothing like this

[dire bear]

I literally lived in florida yes thats what I meant

[normal shuttle]

I see so many puddles in your vid

[latent olive]

if there WAS shallow water everywhere though that would be fine

[woeful latch]

there’s only one water source and like a little puddle

[lilac bolt]

there isn't enough water

[latent olive]

yeah cos i highlight specifically those ponds as a way to show where the game trails lead

[dire bear]

So its settled its a florida swamp

[limber hull]

dude literally just follow the path

i have the worst sense of direction in the world and i dont need a map for gateway

[dire bear]

Maybe ur a god pro gamer then idk 🤷‍♂️

[limber hull]

im not

[normal shuttle]

maybe he cared to get gud

[dire bear]

I always run into annoying cliffs

[normal shuttle]

instead of MAKING UP EXCUSES

[woeful latch]

i’d be terrified, we all know florida yoink man

[dire bear]

Orrrr instead of learning gateway i can just play thenyaw lol

[normal shuttle]

enjoy it as it lasts

[dire bear]

I will 😭

[woeful latch]

good luck

[normal shuttle]

finally legacy will die soon

[woeful latch]

i’m happy if that makes you happy

[dire bear]

Legacy still unmatched

[lilac bolt]

im looking at swamps around florida rn the new biome doesn't have enough water on the ground but i can see some similarity's yeah

[woeful latch]

i hope they will delete it to make legacy players mad.. or alternatively not delete and let legacy players keep spending irl money to buy in game dinosaurs

[dire bear]

Ok glad u see my point atleast

[normal shuttle]

assriding fan?

[dire bear]

Peak

[woeful latch]

that’s what i call a real combat

[woeful latch]

face tank and tail ride 💪💪💪

[dire bear]

Legacy has rex tho so its an automatic win for legacy

Once evrima has rex then we will talk

[woeful latch]

i once showed legacy player my tenonto gameplay, bro was SHOCKED when he saw teno kicked that carno, spent 5 minutes trying to understand how it died when it was behind me

it’s like when you show a monkey a magic trick

[dire bear]

Idk legacy combat is just so simple and nice i like it

[limber hull]

its so dull lol

[dire bear]

Also immersion in legacy is unmatched

The weather the footsteps the broadcasts

Evrima is technically better in dino design tho ill give it that

Like each dino in evrima is unique

[limber hull]

i find evrima far more immersive

[lilac bolt]

to each their own i guess.

[barren crater]

Legacy had better ambience and the NV was spookier

[limber hull]

the moment i encounter a dinosaur in legacy, all that mmersion gets obliterated

because lol funny crouch battles and tail chasing

[barren crater]

evrima is also missing a proper ambush predator on land but soon

[normal shuttle]

dinosaurs did that in the fossil record tho

an edmontosaurus got bitten in the tail by a rex

[woeful latch]

😱

[normal shuttle]

they were tail riders

[main orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/phteven-gif-13079364

@eternal moss the Rex fr look like this

[gritty heart]

yeah, because when someone is running from you the tail is what you tend to be closest too

[normal shuttle]

not true

#general-feedback message I wonder why this guy would block me

[normal shuttle]

couldnt vote

[signal wyvern]

u bullying us

[signal wyvern]

must be trolli

[normal shuttle]

#balance-feedback-discussion message oh okay he blocked me after this lol

because I pulled out the funny omni card image

[normal shuttle]

@onyx scaffold so...is it not a good system that encourages stamina management efficiently when it gives you a minor penalty for failing to manage your stamina?

Only thing I can agree with (which isn't mentioned here) is that it is too cryptic like so many things in the game

[onyx scaffold]

atleat in my opinion it just feels like a chore of manually checking to make sure you didnt go below 60 percent it would feel more natural and make mroe sense to allow people to go below that threshold but it would just take longer to regain stamina instead of outright none

[normal shuttle]

or if you go marginally below that threshold, you could just slow walk for a moment and then continue trotting once you are at the right place

right now it is a system that actually treats stamina like a resource, which adds a layer of strategic thinking to the game and also a need to know when it is better to keep pushing or to disengage

also gives more commitment to sitting down with the breakpoints

[onyx scaffold]

and also if your a diablo for example and you are being hunted and they have drawn out the fight and drained your stamina there is no way of you regaining it until you sit down which you obviously cant do i think in that situation the dibble should still regain some stamina just really really slowly

[normal shuttle]

that has a simple explanation

they outplayed the dibble

[unique gyro]

I personally quite like how stamina feels like a limited resource now, however i think it could use some tweaks in some areas

like sitting stamina regen feels extremely slow for too long imo, sitting to regen when you're above 60 feels just as slow as trotting which is a bit odd to me

[lucid mauve]

outplayed lol, you mean pushing H

[onyx scaffold]

if they get it down to that point then yeah the carnivores should be able to play around while it has no stamina but if they take too long to find openings still and manage to finish the kill i think the diablo should have a chance of being able to slowly build up some stamina which could be used in a pinch to maybe survive

[normal shuttle]

if a predator manages to tire a prey in nature, it totally outplayed it. So why wouldn't that be the same with dinosaurs when we have stamina recoveries so similar to those of wild animals and a needed to preserve stam as a resource?

[onyx scaffold]

also just makes no sense you could stand still for the rest of human history and not ever even gain a inch of stamina back

[lucid mauve]

Cus we have a human brain,meaning i can outplay you but i can also be 100% tired. But both will still get energy if you sit or not

[normal shuttle]

if you went below a threshold and were trapped in that situation, it probably was your fault burning more stam than you should or not making the right choices when you were in time

we are humans lol

we cannot be compared to animals when talking about stamina

they are completely different

[lucid mauve]

Thats what we do, your saying that. Why shouldt i get stam but you can ? Even if we both are tired

You still need to get the kill

[onyx scaffold]

this is made worse by not being able to see your stamina in a fight to a exact percentage like how the threshold works lets say your running around in a fight and you think your around 20 percent so you can gain some back from being still but you went to 19.9 percent your odds of winning fall down to a minimum

excluding combat as well it just makes travel much longer for no reason

[normal shuttle]

because you are trying to extrapolate the endurance of a human to another animal, ignoring the fact that they actually not only tire much faster, but also regain their stamina much slower. Sure, standing still panting would eventually help, but does it really matter in the game? would it really make the difference?

[normal shuttle]

you can also more or less memorize the marks since the stam bar isnt a flat line to prevent this from happening

and imma be real, I would rather keep stamina as a resource whose management is crucial to survival than to revert it and go back to the times where stamina mattered nothing to everyone except for three or four playables

if Master Oogway played The Isle he would be cracked, because he knew

[lucid mauve]

I know where you going, and i sorta agree. But doing a 2v1 just makes life to easy, run to a bush and push h. While other guy make sure the prey cant sit. Now im not saying that beeing 2v1 shouldt come with advantages. But if you are standing you should still get stam, but slower rate.

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-oogway-accidents-there-are-no-accidents-destiny-gif-16270886

[onyx scaffold]

but it did matter tho? and even then i want the old system with the thresholds but instead of not being able to gain stamina at different thresholds it just slows down by alot

[normal shuttle]

every death in this game except for cheaters is 100% preventable and there is always something that could have been done right

[normal shuttle]

or you should be punished in an allegedly hardcore game for making a royal fumble in a life or death situation

[lucid mauve]

this is not hardcore game lol, this is one of the easier one. And fumble? If im at zero stam and you are, im not the only guy fumbling

[normal shuttle]

this game's design philosophy is ruthless. It doesn't forgive anything, and I cannot why one of the most important stats in the game only behind speed should be one of the more forgiving ones

[normal shuttle]

yeah both fumbled in that case

and it totally is the aim of the game that has been said multiple times. To be hard

and this couldn't be more clear than with the arrival of apexes so soon with 14 hour growths and assuming that in the live branch you wont have everything served on a silver platter

[lucid mauve]

I just told you, in a 2v1 you neglect that. By zero skill, but the fact you can push h. Again, not saying 2v1 shouldt be with advantages. But i still need to have the skill to kill it.

[normal shuttle]

I am not getting your analogy

not fully at least

[lucid mauve]

This is one of the easier one, its about surviving. And its very easy.

[normal shuttle]

and the game isn't finished yet

[lucid mauve]

True, and i hope it will be harder.

[normal shuttle]

it will especially with the proper apexes in the game and elder system

[lucid mauve]

I mean it prob will be, just even with semi aquatic. Im guessing bary will kill alot of growing deinos etc.

[urban flax]

The only real issue with the stamina system is that it uses thresholds instead of curves

[gentle flint]

@thick summit I see what you mean but with that.. people would just likely find the nearest cliff if they were so unfortunate. It wouldn’t add much depth most likely because if you got an inherently “bad” skin color just by random chance, why live, y’know?

[thick summit]

People try to find the nearest cliff if they don't spawn close to a hotspot...so dunno

[urban flax]

So it's even more a proof that people would 100% suicide if they spawn albino

[thick summit]

I mean they spawn albino when taking an egg

[urban flax]

Still the cliff

As for the "should I trust that albino" part the answer is "no"

[thick summit]

They are too old when they can jump off a cliff

[thick summit]

Yeah I know! That's the neat thing

[urban flax]

or let themselves starve to deaht by not begging

[urban flax]

How is it neat
It's not a question or a strategic choice to trust an albino
The answer is just no

Mathematically

[thick summit]

True

[thick summit]

I mean.. realism

[urban flax]

When meeting an albino, there's a 50% chance that it's actually a cannibal (probably higher normally but let's make it simpler)
Even if they're not a cannibal, there's still a 50% chance that they want to kill me (again, probably higher in actual game)
Even if they don't want to kill me, there's a 50% chance that they will get me killed somehow (because ahhh isle players also they stick out like a sore thumb)

Which leaves a whopping 17.5% chance that trusting them will not lead to my death

[urban flax]

What does realism have to do with this ?

[limber hull]

could be interesting if albino was a mutation you can spawn with, and you also instantly get cannibalism

you lose a skin, you're obvious as hell, but free mut and interesting playstyle off the bat

[thick summit]

Okay that might actually be cool

[thick summit]

It's fun

[urban flax]

If realism was fun then that game would be realistic
But here we are

[thick summit]

I know

[urban flax]

I still don't like the idea of having both my skin and my plays session be ruined because of some RNG

To the cliff it is

[thick summit]

That's how albinos must feel

"Dang it! Why did I get albinism"

[limber hull]

albinos can't respawn though

[urban flax]

Real life =/= videogame

Also yeah I believe albino animals irl must be pretty bummed about being albino

[normal shuttle]

Yea it’s bad

I don’t like getting my whole camouflage and relationships with my own kind sabotaged by gambling

Also guys

Was doing some quick math as I was testing trike

And honestly I really would like to insist later on that they keep these long growth times

Feels like a great way to ensure the better players are the ones hitting adulthood if you combine it with exigent gameplay or diets

I really wish they don’t back down at all and keep that because it’s actually pretty good

I remember in this channel saying it as a joke how rex would take like 10-12 hours

[limber hull]

yea is trike like actually 10 hours

[normal shuttle]

But it may as well be an understatement because trike already takes- nope

[limber hull]

whats trike?

[normal shuttle]

I did two quick mathematic operations. I am still figuring out the growth curve, but after two checks I can more or less pinpoint its growth at the 12-14 hour mark on a 100% diet

Leaning more towards 13

[limber hull]

jesus lol

[normal shuttle]

Potentially more even since I’ve been running on a mega min maxed diet but also with zero predatory pressure

So when Rex is around I’m expecting trikes to take like 15 hours to grow

[normal shuttle]

They have toned down that growth curve (24% 4 tons before vs 3.1 tons now) but it is MUCH, MUCH LONGER

And I think some dev said that rex wouldn’t get less growth time than trike

And that one’s a carnivore

All I’m gonna say is that elder rex will be a true mark of commitment and skill

[limber hull]

god that's based ngl

[normal shuttle]

I appreciate that

Because that’s gonna be a huge deterrent

And also it is not necessarily bad if the younger stages remain viable

Such as rex. Who cares if you spend like 15 hours growing a rex if you get to enjoy all life stages for a while

I am 25% on this trike and I’ve been growing easily for like 3 hours on an average diet well over 140-150% lmao

In fact I am a little concerned about apexes despite this feeling like the right way to go

Because after that time and competing for resources, animals like trike better be absolute powerhouses who crush any other creature that grows in like 5 hours or less

[urban flax]

That's kinda the reason why I'm not a fan of super long growth times for apexes

[normal shuttle]

Oh no…

I just rejoined after a restart. And the patrol plants haven’t spawned

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[normal shuttle]

I guess you could also compensate with their gameplay quality and not just raw power?

[urban flax]

The amount of hours invested into a playable is definitely a factor of strength balance-wise

You can't make ptera 4 hours to grow because flying is so cool and fun

Nor can you reduce deino's growth time to 2 hours because of how boring and unfun it is

[limber hull]

i mean they did decent with trike

trike is pretty much unkillable, it just can't pick its fights

(honestly i reckon trike could do with a lil more power but maybe that's just me)

[normal shuttle]

It could, or with alt attacks speed and stuff like that

[normal shuttle]

To be fair, it doesn’t have to be purely a rule of three with balancing, right?

Regardless of whether it is 12 hours or 7, trike can still roll two stegos or two deinos at a time quite easily

And also getting a crazy good diet with trike is very easy due to how slow the food drain is. You just need to be territorial about your patrols and migrations, use gastroliths and before 30% like I am right now, you can keep increasing your diet consistently and sit comfortable at +230%

So maybe if rex and trike (as well as the other truly gigantic apexes for that matter) are more rewarded for keeping a very good diet and can shorten their growth significantly, there shouldn’t be any major problem

Because trike on a constant 200% would be like…8-9 hours? Not that far off, pretty fair in fact

Maybe in practice it will be longer due to competition with other herbis, migrations and being pressured by predators, but seriously, trike is early on with over 200% boost is easy

[urban flax]

@dawn hound Even better idea : Make it so players can't be pinned on their tail

[thick summit]

yeah

[dawn hound]

Well, they cant get pinned onto the tail, the omniraptor will only latch onto it with its jaws, and then the omniraptor can get shook off or kicked off.

[urban flax]

No
I mean that pouncing on someone's tail just fails
Simpler, less stupid than a herrera stunning omni with a kick, less prone to being buggy or unfair

[thick summit]

Pin/pounce and carno's charge just shouldn't work/do damage on tail hits

[dawn hound]

omni cant even pin carno bru

[thick summit]

what are you talking about

I am talking about their abilities

[dawn hound]

oh mb, misunderstood, yea it shouldnt

[normal shuttle]

^

Why program that whole mechanic when you could simply shrink the pounce hitbox to make it narrower and then prevent tail pins

#general-feedback message a vampire

[muted flare]

Please fix holes. https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/k4T7bJHeC8oYIr4vr?invite=cr-MSxMbWEsMzE1MzQ0MDA3

[vital laurel]

@wispy abyss do you mean at west access with the new palms? Cus at south plains the deep jungle has been removed

[normal shuttle]

Bruh 😭 😭 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/1360931287006842880/Screenshot_20250413-1544353.png?ex=67fce987&is=67fb9807&hm=76cd4c55fd43615ffa61f259e2fe33625ef4a358850699bcb8ff3370d07e3aa0& just make the areas worth visiting

Instead of deleting the whole swamp

[scarlet ocean]

Ain’t no way bluda asked to delete the entire swamp and a major gathering spot like northwest ridge instead of the islands 😭

[normal shuttle]

That too

[limber hull]

make the islands have more stuff on them too

[dawn hound]

[wispy abyss]

yes, i mean west access. About south planes: you meand the jungle in the south, next to the sea? Is it now a more open area there?

[vital laurel]

Yes it is a more open bushland, a bit like highlands

But more height

[wispy abyss]

i see, good to know, thanks! so was my critic/question "unfair"....as it might be the ratio trees/open land has not been changed that much?

[wooden agate]

yah theres actually more plains on the map now

or well, more 'open spaces'

since west access isnt a complete forested area but more akin to a more bushy OG east plains

and that jungle area is just straight up savannah

[wispy abyss]

i see, thanks for that info! sounds promising 😉

[wooden agate]

@clever willow so does the massive plains area they added just... not exist

forks plains, north lake, the entirety south western part of the map, highlands (depending on definition), south plains, west rail access

hell west access itself isnt even true forest right now, its moreso a mix between plains/forest

[grand oriole]

@gentle rampart Not sure I understand- are you saying there is already a mutation? Or are you referring to how interacting with blood can highlight tracks? If the latter I'm aware- but blood has a smaller interval than tracks

[limber hull]

its so funny because ive been playing carno in south and its unironically the best part of the map for carno to absolutely thrive in

but no it has a few bushes so its evil and needs to die

[gentle rampart]

it’s the latter, but i hope my reply falls in line with what you were speaking about

[restive plank]

Hey someone help me 😭

[vernal jacinth]

?

[vernal jacinth]

Then you go ask in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 and read pins there. Not feedback

[restive plank]

Okay

[woeful latch]

i did similar map a while ago, let me find the gif

[eternal moss]

real bruh

[woeful latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/423939730544132096/1339339782706171924/e.gif

[vital laurel]

@thorn field There is no need for a mechanic to support AFK mechanics

[woeful latch]

HT changed a lot and situation is better now for sure

#general-feedback message removing is imo the worst idea, imo they should slowly make gateway bigger and bigger, this map won’t sustain whole roster in the future, its too small

[wooden agate]

@lone pagoda #general-feedback message you can use the F call instead, it turns into a honk lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iYNPIUrpzk&ab_channel=DeadlyDeath

[golden horizon]

That looks so cursed xD

[dawn hound]

@lone pagoda #general-feedback message Galli boosts packmates by pressing f, which doesnt do that much noise. Some just broadcast for fun

[lone pagoda]

oohhh thank you guys lol

[dawn hound]

np

[woeful latch]

i accidentally deleted like 2 random pzs at the north but besides that the map is pretty much feels like this

people just don’t visit places i erased, there’s usually no water/pz/mz and it’s empty in general

so the map is not as big as people say it is

it’s just it has a lot of unused spaces

[golden horizon]

It looks so unnatural without any islands. Just because places don't get visited alot, doesnt mean they need to get removed

Something i enjoy the most is flying as a ptera around the map and just enjoy the view, or swim around to the diffrent islands as a saltwater Beipi

I also think these areas will get more traffic once more semi aquatic dinos gets introduced

[woeful latch]

i never said that

i said quite opposite

[golden horizon]

Oh i'm sorry i just assumed from the gif, that you wanted the 2nd map

I see now, its just places you find no players visit

[faint folio]

@cyan totem Intel Iris is something known as an integrated graphics card. Most games require a dedicated graphics card. This is because most integrated graphics cards are less powerful than dedicated graphics cards, and share resources with the CPU, whereas dedicated graphics cards get their own separate power, memory, cooling etc and therefore tend to be a LOT more capable. The isle's minimum specs on steam do specifically say that integrated graphics will not work for this game.

[icy lion]

No one knows

[urban flax]

Yes, it's explained right under rule 10

[limber hull]

God defines

[rotund fractal]

ah ok

[faint folio]

When the devs believe it's ready, which means: all major mechanics and animations are done and polished, all balancing work has been completed, all testing is completed and all related bugs are fixed, all associated items required for viable gameplay (other food nodes, water nodes, map changes, other playables balance and viability is done), etc

There's a lot more that goes into getting a playable ready for release than meets the eye

[rotund fractal]

And I doesnt have hordetest installed, I dont play on Hordetest

[crystal osprey]

@rotund fractal Where/how do I report holes in the map then?

[vernal jacinth]

#🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[crystal osprey]

Thank you

[rotund fractal]

👍🏻

[icy lion]

@fading pecan They do

[cyan totem]

Okay. But I also have a GeForce RTX 3070 in there. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about it.

[fading pecan]

Where

[icy lion]

In #general-feedback

Dunno when the most recent one was, they usually use it for suggestions they want to bring forward to the entire team. Feedback is looked at regularly, it doesn't always get the emote

[faint folio]

Is this a laptop? For example if you go to task manager on the performance tab you see 2 different GPUs?

[icy lion]

@bleak jewel The application form is in #rules-and-info

[cyan totem]

It is not a laptop, a mini PC but the RTX is laptop version yes

[faint folio]

You might try looking up if your computer has a "power saver" and "performance" mode selection? That might help.

If that doesn't work or your computer doesn't have those modes, you could try telling Windows to set the default GPU for the Isle game to your RTX dedicated graphics card. Sometimes the OS tries to be "efficient" and use the integrated graphics card on programs that it really shouldn't

[icy lion]

Are you sure it has an Intel IRis GPU? Did you install it after buying it since I don't see it listed that that pc has an Arc

Also, what's the error you're getting?

[faint folio]

^

[icy lion]

Wait a second

Intel Iris are the integrated graphics, @cyan totem are you certain that the GPU is correctly hooked up?

Your pc shouldn't be falling back on the Iris integrated graphics unless the 3070 isn't working or enabled

[faint folio]

That's why I asked if they can see both in task manager

[cyan totem]

Okay I'll try that, thanks for the help

[icy lion]

I was under the assumption that they were talking about the Intel Arc dedicated GPUs, which I've seen have some problems in the past. This is not that

[faint folio]

I have had computers in the past that didn't automatically use the dedicated graphics card for games and you had to manually change the default

[icy lion]

Are you getting the "dx12 isn't supported" issue?

[cyan totem]

Yes this is the massage

[fading pecan]

They don’t mention going over the suggestions in the devlogs. I don’t see them talk about the suggestions anywhere. They need to do something to let us know they are actually reading our suggestions

[icy lion]

@normal steeple Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[icy lion]

#general-feedback message

[icy lion]

You need to update your GPU's drivers. You can do that either by using the Nvidia App which should be installed on your pc, or by downloading them directly from Nvidia's website

[urban flax]

They do it every now and then
But if they had to do that everytime someone claims they don't read suggestions, then they would spend more time doing it than actually developing the game

[fading pecan]

Yeah now and then as in once a year maybe

Show me where they have talked about players suggestions and reading them?

[icy lion]

#general-feedback message

[fading pecan]

Bro ain’t nothing in there except player suggestions lmao

[urban flax]

I don't have every dev quote on this server saved on my computer, as strange as it may sound
But I did have one or two conversations with Punch in this very channel

[urban flax]

Click the link maybe

[wooden agate]

just because something is suggested does not mean it will be implemented or even considered really. first of all, alot of the feedback is frankly bad, and second of all, we do not control the direction the game goes in. we are not on the development team, we are not paid by Afterthought, we really have no say in the things they do or dont decide to do

[icy lion]

I'm linking you to a specific message in the feedback channel, which is why the embed has the message bubble at the end of it

[faint folio]

It's a link to Kissen replying to a similar question previously in the channel saying they do read it (and they had to read it to know someone asked if devs even read it and reply)

[fading pecan]

Ah gotcha

[cyan totem]

@icy lion @faint folio

I have it, everything is up to date. I wrote to Nvidia support last week and went through everything. I reset the entire PC once, and unfortunately, the same thing still happens.

[icy lion]

The Nvidia App says your drivers are updated?

[cyan totem]

Yes

[icy lion]

Are you able to see the GPU in the Device Manager, not just the Task Manager? It'll be under Display Adapters

[cyan totem]

Yes

[icy lion]

Alright, there's another issue going on then. The specs your pc has are more than capable of running the game, this is some other issue

[fading pecan]

Kissens half assed response isn’t good enough. You know communication between the devs and players is a problem if people have been suggesting the same ways for the devs to let us know that they hear us for years and nothing has really changed.

[faint folio]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000090168/graphics.html

If you really do have both Intel Iris and the RTX 3070, you could try this? Maybe it's using the wrong one

The 3070 should be more than capable of using Dx12

[urban flax]

Where does the claim that "nothing has really changed for years" comes from ?

[cyan totem]

Thank you very much, I will try it

[fading pecan]

Players have been asking the devs to communicate better for years and they haven’t done anything to change that

The best we got recently was kissens post

[faint folio]

I think it would be kind of cool to have a feedback spotlight section of dev blogs where they pick 1-2 suggestions that got forwarded to the team and talk about it (with a written caveat up top that just because it's featured doesn't mean it'll be added to the game)

[faint folio]

Let us know if it works! We can keep trying to troubleshoot if it doesn't. Sorry you're having problems 😭

[urban flax]

I mean
If I was busy developing a triple-A title on a genre that does not exist yet with 30 other people I wouldn't care much about entertaining the part of the community who complains about the lack of communication either

[fading pecan]

Part of their job is to communicate with their player base lmao

But you are right, they don’t seem to care very much

[urban flax]

It is only Punch's job

[fading pecan]

Devs have a duty to their player base to communicate properly. I dont think it’s right to solo out one developer

[cyan totem]

I'll keep you updated

[fading pecan]

It’s a problem from the whole team

[urban flax]

Nah, he's community manager for a reason

[fading pecan]

Alrighty

[urban flax]

An animator has no obligation to interact with the community at all

[fading pecan]

Yeah even doing that would be a nice change

[fading pecan]

True, but whoever put one person in charge of all communication is as much to blame for the lack of

[icy lion]

@cyan totem Sorry to bother again but I just remembered something, what version of Win11 do you have?

[faint folio]

Y'all are both right. Devs do have an obligation to communicate with their players when they're selling an early access title. But Punch was hired to handle that communication interface between devs and the community at large.

I feel like a big part of the problem is it takes a long time to implement changes to the game (it's complicated to patch of course), which means that the feedback loop from suggestions to patch is slow enough that it's hard to see cause and effect. Players making suggestions want to see that their suggestions have an effect, and one way to accomplish this is to have devs acknowledge certain suggestions they liked or thought were well thought out or were particularly creative in dev blogs

[cyan totem]

Wind11 pro

[fading pecan]

Yeah definitely

[urban flax]

Wouldn't that motivate people do do a popularity contest even more, to have a chance at being mentioned in a dev blog ?

[lilac bolt]

they do communicate? dondi and a few other devs come and talk in the discord every few weeks or so?

[icy lion]

Is it on version 22H2 or higher? Out-of-date OS can cause that error too

[urban flax]

Maybe I'm just cynical
But I cannot trust masses of people to ever act smart

[fading pecan]

But people who aren’t on the discord at the exact time don’t see that they are saying anything so maybe there should be a channel where they tag what has been said. IE more communication

[faint folio]

Maybe, but not really. We already know that the suggestions selected to be forwarded to the rest of the dev team aren't chosen based on the number of agree reacts they get. Therefore, suggestions featured may not actually be the "popular" suggestions

[urban flax]

In mean it more in the sense of trying to get the devs attention towards their feedback whenever possible

[faint folio]

They usually talk in #isle-discussion, but the problem is that chat is insanely busy all the time. Their comments are buried unless you happen to be in that chat when they come in to answer questions. Unless someone screenshots their comments and responds to your feedback showing you what they said, there's no way for the majority of players to see that. Most people see what's in the dev blogs, announcement, and patch notes, and MAYBE a dev stream if their timezones match the devs or if they watch a YouTube video from a content creator who happens to have been able to attend that dev stream

[faint folio]

I'm not sure. I know multiple other games feature community members in their dev blogs, though. Valheim shows off 1-2 player created bases every dev blog from what's sent into the devs as fan art. DoD does this too. Lioden (browser game, I know) credits community members when suggestions are accepted and added to the game. In all 3 the system seems to work. Now, the isles fan base seems more rabid in comparison, so I don't know if that would work or not, or if some other system would help (maybe a Q&A section of the dev blog where devs summarize answers to questions they saw in gen chat so that everyone can see them would work better?). But I think a large amount of the player base is incredibly frustrated with QOL issues among others, and just posting in one of their main communication channels that they see it would go a long way. For example: we've seen a lot of feedback about a surge in alleged hacking attempts recently. We are looking into multiple options to try to combat this in our game

Half of PR is letting people know that you hear their concerns and you're looking into it

[normal shuttle]

@clever willow the new biome ironically does help carno and basically every carnivore

since now they won't be able to see you coming from the opposite corner of the grasslands

Prey are not forced to be aware at all times instead of chilling and lowering their guard in the open

[bronze matrix]

I see that people don't really want to talk about that in this discussion so I'm going to.

Although yes communication and transparency is extremely important for the development of a early access game, you also have to consider that the devs have to protect themselves. I know this sounds dramatic but as somebody who is part of this community for a while I can tell you that the isle community can become pretty vile. Aggressive rants / venting, rudeness that borders on insults, entitlement and misinformation can get rampant in the channels. And that's just the discord.
If you look at Youtube, you have the same stuff only dialed up to 11. For instance there was a case some time ago in which a youtuber made a drama slop video about one of the animators. Stuff like this can lead to harassment. And considering how the general "gamer community" is like on youtube (not very progressive nor thoughtful), that harassment can become extra nasty.

As an example on how this can affect the development, you can look at another IP: Project Zomboid. Harassment caused in some devs mental health issues which lead to delays and even considerations to sell the IP.

Just keep that perspective in mind. It get's overlooked a lot.

[normal shuttle]

The isle is a goated survival indie

[bronze matrix]

agreed

[normal shuttle]

YESSSS

[fading pecan]

Yeah for sure, I’ve been apart of it for about 8 years or so. But that is different then them just acknowledging our suggestions and taking the time to tell us that they hear us. Even just mention some in the dev logs or make a channel about some of the suggestions they are going to look into. Simple things like that

[bronze matrix]

oh agreed. That would be nice. I just wanted to throw that perspective in when it comes to directly communicating with the devs.

[fading pecan]

Yeah I gotcha

[hasty radish]

i have this also #general-feedback message

[normal shuttle]

Rex skin selection ain’t bad at all

Like the colors

[lilac bolt]

just needs a bit more options thats all

[thick summit]

how did you get that male display

[hasty radish]

it's me who did it, it's in my general feedback, I have just added a 3rd image#general-feedback message

[gritty heart]

triple-a is more of a dev/company related thing, and for blockbusters.

Afterthought LLC only has The Isle, and is for a fairly niche experience.

They are pretty much in the Indie to maybe double A range.

(doesn't change anything, if anything I'd say being smaller scale gives less of a duty in the sense that they have a very specific goal and don't answer to as many non-team higher ups expecting interaction)

[normal shuttle]

I wanna play with a pale brown or even a bit yellow rex skin

Savannah/highland rex

Everything is so brown and yellow now in some areas that maybe you’re better off with a dull yellow skin than green

[late flare]

plsss I hope the devs listen me

[normal shuttle]

Votes are meaningless

They will do as they like, only thing where I can see votes mattering is a dev skipping a suggestion if it has a laughably bad like to dislike ratio

However, its so widely requested that the posture thing might as well happen eventually

[golden horizon]

🇼

[full vessel]

do the devs actually look at the general feedback channel

feels like we all just talking into the void

they need to add a mark that shows they actually see it and consider it

[pliant elm]

Probably not, but maybe yes... The devs don't do what the community asks for, they do what they think should be done, just look at all this exaggerated addition of trees in any flat area of the map

[lilac bolt]

they do every once in a while but i haven't seen one for a while though

[icy lion]

@oblique hornet Are you talking about this? #isle-lore-theories message

[torn void]

Why not?

2 downvoted is a good amount since there's only 5 upvotes

Wanna hear those who downvoted's opinion

[oblique hornet]

yeaa

it was shown in a video as well

[gentle rampart]

#general-feedback message

@graceful kite the devs did this on purpose for testing.

[gentle rampart]

not a feature worth the devs spending time better suited to work on new playables, bugs and would result is janky looking animals. Map isnt big enough for that kind of genetic biodiversity

[wooden agate]

i dont think its a bad suggestion, it just feels kinda unneeded with Utah coming in the future. Troodon as a whole is completely separate from its ((most likely not real)) IRL counterpart so feathers don't make thaaat much sense.

i also don't think anywhere on gateway is cold enough to really believably induce feather growth, nor do i think anywhere is hot enough on the map where the animals would change significantly. they were designed to be comfortable in the enviorment they're in

in a perfect world, it's a very cool suggestion and would add a good chunk of player interactivness with the enviorment, but it's not a perfect world. the amount of work that would go into it just isn't worth the final product

[gentle rampart]

this^ visually diffrent specimens of the same breed is cool, but not cool enough to push off the long list of other playables, attention needed on bugs, balance changes, and newly added features

[wooden agate]

i do think the lip part of it was cool though, and probably the most feasible option (but still probably unneeded due to the change being so small alongside water being a requirement in game anyway)

[gentle rampart]

there are 19 current playables and an unknown list of others who have models complete and devs would have to tend to each of them, their lifecycle models, too many to go back to the drawing board on. but i def agreed it would be cool in concept just not in practice

[icy lion]

I don't like the idea of these being things that suddenly grow on your dino based on where you've spent a lot of time

Feels weird and out of place

Make them customization options before you spawn in, not weird growths

[latent olive]

have you actually seen what trike looks like in game

because it looks a lot different to the skin creator version for some reason

[late flare]

the neck looks just as bad

[latent olive]

I did notice the small dip on its shoulders still being there

[woeful latch]

maybe its using its spar mode posture in skin editor

[eternal moss]

@zenith pagoda Some of us wish this would come back, but I don't think it will sadly 😦

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah, carno now is decent but it could be much better, we will just have to wait until new playables come out like allo or bary, see if the devs buff carno a lil bit.

[thick summit]

1,800 tonne Carno

Perfection

[indigo gulch]

Carno is just fine tho

[torn void]

So your intention will be to live in an environment until you grow up, these dinosaurs will be somewhat unique, not stronger or anything like that, but a small design change.

[icy lion]

Right, and I don't think that suddenly sprouting lips or feathers makes sense or is desirable

Lemarckian evolution, basically

[torn void]

Map must get a increasement in some places ofc, like New biomes and the changes would be small overall, like a small scar maybe? With the biggest ones being the ones I mentioned

[torn void]

As an evolution, overall, a bit exaggerated to make it more interesting

[gentle rampart]

not to be realistic they do not and expanding gateway is a terrible idea. harsh landscape changes look SUPER tacky and soil the realism of the game. evolutionary changes are in the game and are viewable in species such as diablo v trike v pachyrhino v proto and bary v sucho v spino and omni v utah v austro. making changes that players cannot change to fill the gaps would be a huge workload, wouldnt be good for the majority of the playerbase as we dont want it

[torn void]

When I saw it, the vote was positive, it would be a small feature that would change your creature little by little, being a different customization where you need to deserve it in a certain way.
It would be a cool mechanic to observe and see the changes of each creature and the player can change, he just needs to live in the environment he wants.

[gentle rampart]

sometimes good ideas are bad ideas. its a hard pill to swallow but it just isnt a good idea for practical reasons, plus it would work entirely against patrol zones and migration zones

[limber hull]

HT carno is unironically the most fun I've had with the animal, like, ever

go to the new southern savannah area, play a carno, get a pack, and it's legitimately the most fun you can have on that animal its SO good

[indigo gulch]

yeah but like I said, it was just fine good for the changes, but it wasn't bad

[dire bear]

#general-feedback message anyone who disagrees with this explain why

[woeful latch]

because it doesn’t affect performance as much as you think it does

i’d say it doesn’t affect at all

[dire bear]

Well you are wrong

Not much else to say

Each of those islands has fully rendered trees and grass and vegetation which is like half of where gpu processing power goes

[limber hull]

no they don't lol they have like nothing on them

also render distance means you literally are not renderring that grass

removing them would change nothing about performance. there is nothing on them already

in fact, i can guarantee removing those islands will have an exact 0% impact on performance, because all that will change is the above water dirt will turn to below water dirt. Nothing is actually "removed" besides some grass your GPU never renders

[dire bear]

You are objectively wrong dont know what else to say

Those islands have trees and vegetation

You can fly with ptera and see it

[limber hull]

what, like, 2 trees

a 50% performance boost indeed

[dire bear]

Are you fr rn

[limber hull]

show me the trees lmao because i've been to those islands many times

they are basically barren

[dire bear]

not just trees but other vegetation

[limber hull]

it's grass. grass your PC doesn't render from a distance

[dire bear]

not just grass

your pc still renders the shrubs

[limber hull]

you know what has a lot more vegetation? literally everywhere else

[dire bear]

It has trees

[limber hull]

remove the main island and you'll get a 50% performance boost

remove the side islands and you MIGHT be lucky to see 5%

[dire bear]

I dont know why your arguing

You will see like a 50%

[limber hull]

because you're wrong lol

[dire bear]

considering how big the islands are

[limber hull]

they're tiny and barren lmao

i honestly think you just haven't actually gone to them

[dire bear]

Your the one who's objectively wrong and claimed there was no trees lol

Yes I have I flew there as ptera

[limber hull]

ive swum there as beipi, teno, flew there as ptera, and it's always desolate and basically just effectively a desert island lol

besides the grass, there's no water, food or plants

it's a fun visit but it doesn't have literally anything there

[dire bear]

No food yeah but theres trees

[dire bear]

Thats exactly why it should be removed because performance is more important than dead islands

[limber hull]

i can remember maybe, what, a few dozen trees, compared to the literal thousands on the main island

they do not matter in the grand scheme of things

[dire bear]

Its not a few dozen its a thousand atleast just from guessing

[limber hull]

tf are you on about lmao

they're literally too small to have that many

[dire bear]

Bottom right and top left have many trees

[limber hull]

not last i checked lol

[gentle rampart]

you're absolutely wrong. tbh if you went and counted there are like 50 trees on them all combined.

[dire bear]

Top left fot sure I know

Because i went there as ptera for crabs

Didnt find crabs but still

Lotd of trees

[woeful latch]

none of them even have trees or bushes, and no, they don’t render the grass

[limber hull]

lmao true

genuinely idk where this dude went

[dire bear]

Wrong

[limber hull]

send some actual photo proof lmao

[woeful latch]

well show me then

[limber hull]

because everyone else in the world but you remembers the island having little to no trees

[gentle rampart]

i've been there too and you couldn't cut them all down to build an ikea chair. though there is a salt lick there for no reason if i remember correctly

[radiant nest]

Most of those islands have palms and obviously grass, but neither render from the main island

Not sure if unrendered trees could affect things still though

[gentle rampart]

borderline misinformation atp

[limber hull]

okay i've literally just found a video to see this dude's claims

it has, what, a few dozen palm trees. you'd find more in highlands than on these islands

[woeful latch]

i’d say even that is a lot.. i’d expect close to 0%..

[radiant nest]

And a GUTS entrance or two

[limber hull]

so yea, there's some trees. but not enough to even matter in the grand scheme of things

you'd see not even a 5% boost at the cost of losing a fun little area

[dire bear]

Bruh this is diabolical

[gentle rampart]

likw 0.005% lol

[woeful latch]

it’s the closest island, the big one doesn’t have anything on it as far as i remember

[dire bear]

Thats like the smallest island are u fr right now

[woeful latch]

yeah the big one literally doesn’t have anything on it

[gentle rampart]

and has the most foliage

[dire bear]

Go to the one on top left

[limber hull]

that's also one of the most dense islands in terms of foliage

[dire bear]

Even then should be nuked

[limber hull]

no

[dire bear]

Yes

[limber hull]

literally no reason to

the performance boost would be negligible

[dire bear]

No reason not to

[limber hull]

you'd just lose fun spots to visit and explore

not worth

[dire bear]

Whats there to explore lol

Just nuke it

[limber hull]

they also make the game look nicer. i love seeing the smaller islands off the shore, it's super cool

[dire bear]

Or bare minimum remove ALL trees

[dire bear]

literally i dont care about some barren islands they could nuke it I wouldnt notice even

[limber hull]

i would

[woeful latch]

there will be no impact on performance

[limber hull]

it ain't about you buddy, they want the islands around

[woeful latch]

god the typo..

nvm it got autocorrected hell yeah

[limber hull]

saved

[pliant elm]

@dire bear I agree with removing these islands. Even if they don't affect performance that much, they're just taking up unnecessary space, nobody goes there and there's no reason to go there.

[woeful latch]

i always mistype “performance” 😭

[limber hull]

they're fun. and the devs have something planned for them. reason enough to keep them

that's why GUTS tunnels exist on them

[pliant elm]

Of course, keeping something that negatively affects the game's performance for something that will only be added 2 years in the future xd

[limber hull]

"negatively impacts the game's performance"

you ain't even losing 1 frame per second over those islands be real

[woeful latch]

“no one goes there” is honestly not true, i was there multiple times, it’s just cool place, not to mention it’s just not finished, they will 100% make gateway bigger and bigger because it’s too small to sustain whole planned roster

[lilac bolt]

this is just making an issue out of something that was never an issue in the first place

[woeful latch]

the map will get new content eventually, even tho those islands don’t have anything on them yet

[pliant elm]

The game has poor optimization, so any extra fps is good.

[dire bear]

Thanks atleast someone agrees

[limber hull]

you won't get any lol

[dire bear]

Yes we would

[limber hull]

literally you will not get extra FPS from those islands being gone

[woeful latch]

yeah

[dire bear]

We would tho

[lilac bolt]

there's literally no reason to delete the island

[woeful latch]

you wouldn’t😭

[dire bear]

Theres no reason NOT to delete it

[dire bear]

yes we would

[woeful latch]

there’s no reason to delete it

[gentle rampart]

if they didnt want them there then they wouldnt be there

[limber hull]

literally harmless spot that adds more life to the map? kill it i simply MUST placebo myself into thinking i'll get more frames for my epic combat gameplay

[woeful latch]

you might get + 0.00000000001% fps boost tho

[dire bear]

Yall know the devs had 80% of spiro be inaccesible yet still having fully rendered trees right. Gateway has the same with the islands

[limber hull]

yea but those areas were actually dense with trees, and the plains were still worse optimised somehow LMAO

[pliant elm]

If the amount of trees on the map were reduced instead of increased as is being done in the hordtest, the performance would be great and there would be no need to do this with these Useless islands

[dire bear]

Still no reason not to nuke the islands

[dire bear]

Best solution just nuke trees in general

[limber hull]

the amount of trees got reduced in the hordetest. they literally nuked one of the densest jungles in the game for the new savannah type biome

[woeful latch]

still no reason to nuke

[dire bear]

Way too much foliage

[limber hull]

tropical islands do tend to have foliage, yes

[dire bear]

Thats a good thing

[limber hull]

did i say it was bad?

[dire bear]

Who knows

[pliant elm]

They literally filled west access and west rail with trees man xd

[limber hull]

it made an unlivable space livable. that's good

now they should do that to the offshore islands

[dire bear]

Thats bad then

[lilac bolt]

let people have things to explore even if you don't get any fun out of it others might

[dire bear]

Only 1 dino can explore it

[woeful latch]

not at all, majority can

[limber hull]

i think my favourite thing is the fact so many isle players get so angry when they see more trees, bushes or grass

it's a touch grass meme writing itself

[dire bear]

I mean good luck exploring those islands with a cera lol

[limber hull]

it's actually quite doable

[dire bear]

More like we see grass in real life, and dont need to see more in game, unlike you 😂

[limber hull]

AI spawns on the island, and cera is an exceptionally good swimmer

combine that with a saltwater mut and its quite easy to live there

[woeful latch]

yeah it’s an amazing swimmer, you can easily get there and swim back if you won’t be able to find ai to eat

[dire bear]

Ai spawns there? Thats even worse

[pliant elm]

There's a good reason why they're so mad about this over-addition of trees in the flat areas lol

[limber hull]

you played a game about a tropical island what did you expect

[dire bear]

Its unnecessary

[limber hull]

given the area looks and feels better, no i dont really see it

i've explored all the new areas and it feels so much better

[dire bear]

Performance is more important than "immersion"

[limber hull]

no

[lilac bolt]

what?

[gentle rampart]

do you know how rendering works?

[dire bear]

Vast majority dont like it

[limber hull]

you can have both

[dire bear]

Yes

[gentle rampart]

explain then

[woeful latch]

never seen ai there tbh👀 i saw some crab spawns near tho

[dire bear]

No

[woeful latch]

but crabs spawn only when there’s beipi nearby

[limber hull]

its rare and you need to actually be ON the island for a while

[woeful latch]

ahh fair

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[dire bear]

🗿

[gentle rampart]

bc you're going to give some incorrect statement on how the game does not actually render random trees when noone is around them

[dire bear]

Game does actually render all trees at the same time. Trees in the isle does not work like grass

[pliant elm]

Placing these trees in these areas will only make players focus even more on the remaining flat spots... And the only reason I see you Liking all these exaggerated trees around the map is because you have a good PC

[gentle rampart]

the statement is so incorrect and senseless its almost like youre trying to ragebait over some trees lmao

[limber hull]

my PC is okay

[dire bear]

Yea what PC do u have?

[gentle rampart]

false

[limber hull]

i haven't felt any performance changes idk what you're on about

[dire bear]

Its not false

[limber hull]

the game runs about exactly the same for me

[gentle rampart]

🇺🇸 custom🇺🇸

[dire bear]

Not an answer

[lilac bolt]

it is

[dire bear]

No one asked u

[gentle rampart]

but my graphics card is an nvidia if you mean brand

[dire bear]

Well it depends on the model

[pliant elm]

If you haven't felt any change in performance, you don't have an "okay" PC, you have a Good PC.

[dire bear]

3060 or 5090 lol big difference

[gentle rampart]

the game doesnt pick and choose what to render based off your gpu

[dire bear]

You just said you have no clue how graphics rendering work

[gentle rampart]

its your position in the 3D space

[dire bear]

Im done arguing nvm

Theres no point arguing about graphics rendering when theres ppl who dont even know how gpus work

[pliant elm]

My fps in west access is around 50-70 in public branch, but in hordtest (in the same location) it drops to 40

(With the addition of these trees)

[dire bear]

Thats seems right

Trees are hardest thing in many games to render except for raytracing

And considering this is a ue5 game it is

[pliant elm]

That's exactly why I've been complaining so much. Players like Mr. Alphonsen won't notice this because they have an obviously above average PC.

[woeful latch]

one wrong thing…

he’s Mr. Alphonsen’t

[gentle rampart]

https://gamersnexus.net/guides/2429-gpu-rendering-and-game-graphics-explained

[woeful latch]

avengers theme starts playing

[gentle rampart]

https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/guidelines-for-optimizing-rendering-for-real-time-in-unreal-engine?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/hierarchical-level-of-detail-in-unreal-engine?utm_source=chatgpt.com

dont tell me idk how processing works when i used to be a fivem developer lmao

[dire bear]

You have no clue if you think the gpu does not affect tree rendering. No clue

[gentle rampart]

when far far away they arent there, when far away they are there with low poly models (kinda like the clay buildings on GTA) and when close they are high poly models

^simplistic for you

[dire bear]

That depends on the GAME

Not in the isle

Isle does not use LOD's

Big budget games like gta or rdr2 do yeah but not most indie games

[gentle rampart]

brother there are two UE5 info pages from epic games, the owner of Unreal Engine

read them and come back and tell us you're wrong

[dire bear]

I just told you why you are wrong

It is up to the developer to create LODs

What part of that do you not understand? I used to make games in unity I know what im talking about

Dont try to convince me on things I already know

[gentle rampart]

I'm not gonna waste time attempting to logic with someone who knows theyre wrong when I provided you with the information from the engine owners

[dire bear]

Game assets dont magically create different versions of themselves for LOD rendering its up to the devs

Please go watch a video on how lod's work

[lilac bolt]

https://youtu.be/fk7mTsgYSI8?si=JDpNqiiC8PTUjj_P the isle has a culling range for trees go to view distance kyrill.

ik you didn't ask but I figured I'd say it anyways while the topics here

[dire bear]

If you fly up as ptera high you can see ALL trees on the island

[icy lion]

The devs made LODs in this game

#isle-discussion message

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Nanite is in use now that the game is in UE5 #isle-discussion message

[dire bear]

I checked all your links and they are talking about adding LOD's in the future

Nanite isnt LOD and doesnt perform as well

[icy lion]

Did you look at the dates they were sent

[dire bear]

Doesnt mean they added them

[woeful latch]

😶‍🌫️

[icy lion]

And they don't say "we're looking to add LODs" they say "we're looking to improve our LODs"

[dire bear]

I think what they mean is the grass nanite rendering

[icy lion]

"[the screenshot] shows what the [game's] tree LODs look like"

The screenshots in question

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#general-feedback-discussion message

[gentle rampart]

all quiet on the western front now lol

[junior nymph]

@azure ruin Psittacosaurus pick them up causing them to bug out and cant be eaten or grabbed

same with frogs and sometimes troodons

[azure ruin]

I thought I was experiencing the weirdest voodoo LMAO

[dire bear]

The one without nanite has no LOD's, nanite is the "Lod" they are referring too

Read pls

[normal shuttle]

Grabbing a troodon is crazy

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

I swear to God this dude is an AI

[normal shuttle]

[woeful latch]

"it is recommended" guy strikes again

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
Someone doesn't know how game engines work

[normal shuttle]

Oh yeah lmaoooo

As if deleting 5% of the map would make you go from 40 to 60 fps average 😭 😭 😭

And also when water is also part of the map, and plants…and AI, and playables…

[limber hull]

He changed his argument up from "optimisation" to "i dont like them" midway through btw

Literally said he doesn't visit them so they shouldn't exist

[normal shuttle]

The day when he said that he would like a desert and when debunked said

I dont like your arguments bro. Just because a biome isnt advantageous to half the roster does not mean it shouldnt exist

Like what

[limber hull]

I think he's doing like some kind of "voice of the people" bit, hence the "player representative" thing, but it just seems to me like he suggests something in a formal way and just pretends everyone else wants it lol

[normal shuttle]

And by not advantageous = unusable

I gave a good hypothetical using para as for why that would be bad and just went “nuh uh para ain’t yet in the game”

[limber hull]

Desert and snow biomes are both equally bad because there's
A: No real way to realistically add them in a space that isn't immediately jarring
B: Seriously invalidates huge swaths of the roster, not just 1 or 2 animals

Like yea, the new savannah is a real hard blow to deino, but its not like the rest of the roster can't interact with it. Like how south plains isn't the best for herrera, but makes for a good transition between more advantageous areas for it

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[limber hull]

Paleontologists got it wrong yet again

Para actually was never real, what a blunder

[normal shuttle]

No no, he meant it as in “it’s not in the game yet so why use it as comparison”

😭 😭 😭

When it is a perfectly valid and reasonable point with an upcoming playable

[limber hull]

I love how when discussing a biome that doesn't exist in-game, using a dino that doesn't exist in-game to counter an argument is unreasonable

[normal shuttle]

Lmao

[normal shuttle]

And yeah I agree with that. Deino is terrible anyway and needs a rework and also mechanics like droughts and discouraging people from drinking still water to not be garbo, but for the most part there’s no area in the game that is completely unusable for any playable

No even in sp herras can perform well, or in west access

It’s not like they’re COMPLETELY countered by a biome that just makes no sense to put in a damn tropical jungle unless you make the map 500x500km at the very least

[limber hull]

One thing I do like about the new savannah is it looks like it won't be as safe as people think. Carnos roam there and basically dominate as the environment is near perfect for them

[normal shuttle]

And with a very forced topography

[normal shuttle]

Yup, I really like it because not only you cannot really run through the bushes for cheap cover since they are obstacles, but on top of that you can no longer stick to the open and be able to see someone coming from a mile away like you could in grasslands previously, so people back then could just turn their brain off and just look around every now and then because not even a juvenile omni could ambush you there

[limber hull]

Like I went there as a galli and HT carno is a MONSTER in that environment. On top of the area completely supporting it, its new stam means it can endurance hunt a galli pretty damn well and keep on its tail

1800kg carno would struggle, but thanks to 1300kg carno's higher max speed with charge, it can keep pace with galli quite well, and on top of the stam and lack of obstacles/deep water to slow it down, you basically need to gtfo or you WILL be killed out there

The shallow water is unironically another huge boon to carno. It hates deep water, but in this environment there's none of that, there's effectively no good way to get away from a carno. I imagine it'll be a pretty carno-dominated environment for a while

[normal shuttle]

And my favorite part about the Savannah and all the new bushes: makes ambushes especially with thinks like rex a lot more skillful, or at least that is what is surely going to happen

Without being totally countered like it would have happened with the old grasslands

Savannah adult rex having to sneak its way around the bushes rather than through them is gonna be so peak

[normal shuttle]

Juvi rex is gonna be cooked unless they are absolutely cracked and also subtle

(I love that)

It’s pointless to suggest this right now but…

Please, I really wish they do Rex growth as shown by Dondi where it is deino curve but more comically extreme with 40% growth (like…5 hours on 100% diet) Rex being 900kg

🙏 🙏 🙏 make it the most hardcore thing ever

[dire bear]

Nah i want snow and desert

Just add a mountain and use that as an excuse for snow

[cyan totem]

version 24H2

[urban flax]

Mountains are considered dead space for a lot of people
But a snowy mountain ? Dead dead space

[dire bear]

Unlike the endless jungle

Whoch is totally not dead space

[limber hull]

compared to a literal mountain? in this game where both climbing and surviving falls are a consistent hassle?

yea no it's hella dead space

we already have a volcano, and additionally, a snowy mountain on a tropical island would look absurd. you know how tall/much space you'd need to allocate just to this mountain?

[urban flax]

True, the jungle is not

Can't wait to go to a mountain to
-Waste all my stamina climbing up there
-Can't find any food
-Freeze to death
-Have nowhere do hide because I stick out like a sore thumb
-Risk falling to my death at every step

[limber hull]

no food, no water, no good way to ambush, need to constantly watch your step (so basically don't sprint), it's FREEZING, takes up a colossal portion of the map, cuts off travel for basically everyone