isle-lore-theories

[sharp knoll]

Because of the tribals

[strange shell]

I don't think we had any confirmation of the relation between echidna and the replicator
But the replicator could very well be the one controlling Echidna, if there's a master/slave relation between the two

[sharp knoll]

I mean Replicator orders the tribals to sacrifice or doing stuff

remember the temple that dondi shows

The temple to sacrifice

[strange shell]

Yeah it's the replicator who gives orders

[acoustic osprey]

No

There could definitely be a chain of command

But The Replicator is a god to the Tribals
Echidna is the "Mother" (adopted) of the Tribals

Hence the name Mother of Cannibals

[sharp knoll]

Again we dont know what Replicator is. We only know that is just a machine who makes life

[acoustic osprey]

Also. The wiki isn't very reliable

The wiki still thinks we're getting Spero and Thenyaw

[strange shell]

We know it's sentient, and probably evil (unless it has a greater goal behind its actions ?)

[acoustic osprey]

Well.
Just that it's an AI, it's being praised as a God, and above what Bubulblu said

[strange shell]

But we shouldn't be talking lore anymore
Dondi said he would give lore in June ||(I know he said around June)|| and he didn't
There is no more lore
The replicator is a fictional character, and a justiication for putting pretty much anything and everything into the game without worrying about "how they made it" or the laws of physics

[acoustic osprey]

We now know that we didn't get anything because Dondi was away for a trip

Also, birthday

[strange shell]

No, we don't know
Only you do
Well actually now we know
Because you told me
But I didn't know that before

[sharp knoll]

Same

[acoustic osprey]

We do know that dondi was busy

And we also know that dondi has been working on something

What is that something? Zero clue.
He is no longer our level designer, so what he is actually doing is pretty much can't be detailed as of right now

[strange shell]

Maybe h'es working on the lore because he realized just before posting it that there were inconsistencies and plot holes all around

[acoustic osprey]

This channel, until we actually get anything, is pretty much just a
"Hey, I want to know about the bare basics of Evrima lore. Especially Mercenaries"

Then I'll respond with a
"Well, Isle's Mercs aren't actually true Mercenaries but actually genetically made/modified humans ... The same with Tribals"

[strange shell]

true

And "Actually The Isle isn't a park"

[acoustic osprey]

We do know, I believe we heard him finish some time ago?
But honestly, Dondi being Dondi, I wouldn't be surprised if he's changed some things or added some more things

[strange shell]

Yeah, if I was in his place, about to release a very-long awaited lore for thousands of people, I'd spend my time making it more perfect than it could ever be just to be proud of myself
Not saying that's what he's doing, but I would understand if it was the case ^^

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[sharp knoll]

We just need to be patient. That's all

[acoustic osprey]

[sharp knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-black-noir-blooper-loop-up-caught-gif-18817584

[rustic urchin]

Do we have any decent idea as to where in the world these islands are? Or do we have no real clue

[acoustic osprey]

No

We literally have an aurora borealis in ST

[rustic urchin]

[upper helm]

We have the aurora borealis in U5 or at least I've seen a video where they did. I don't know if they got rid of it, but obviously we don't get those types of lights everywhere. This is what Google says

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, we do still

[upper helm]

alright then

Well google says lower polar regions

[acoustic osprey]

Unless they changed that in the last patch on ST
Which affected lighting

[upper helm]

That's only if we are being geographically correct

Unsure

[acoustic osprey]

Also.
Dondi said the isle is on Earth (?)

[upper helm]

I hate how dark the new night is

Well I guess it makes sense it's on earth

Unless we have alien dinosaurs XD

[acoustic osprey]

It's definitely a fictional Earth

[upper helm]

Agreed

[acoustic osprey]

Without the basic geographic worldbuilding rules

[upper helm]

Yup yup

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[rustic urchin]

I hate fictional earths

Pain

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[old stone]

It could be a fictional nonfictional earth, if you catch my drift

[swift robin]

Do we know why we get northern lights? Maybe a sufficiently large magnetic field could reproduce it artificially

[sharp knoll]

Alpha Centauri?

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows

[sharp knoll]

Or Kepler

[swift robin]

Same article

[strange shell]

From what I've heard the reason we have auroras in The Isle is because Dondi finds them pretty

[acoustic osprey]

Pretty much

[river ocean]

What if The isle is just a simulation on your computer?

[safe ravine]

"I'm never going to see them in real life so I'll put them in my game"

[half linden]

Tropical island with arctic sky lights

What would be epic and pretty is shooting stars

[strange shell]

Last dev stream I saw they were working on shooting stars

[south prairie]

So is the current consensus that AE wanted the dinosaurs to freely roam spiro, or were they meant to be contained somehow?

[strange shell]

I might be a mix of both.
We can see some huge walls, the dam, forcefields around human buildings (I mean the things that make your screen go haywire)
So dinos were probably meant to roam freely in most parts of the Island
But still constrained somewhat

[acoustic osprey]

we don't know

[hexed flax]

They were probably meant to roam spiro freely. Otherwise there wouldn't be fences around the buildings

[oblique surge]

We’d have to see the human buildings in the rest of the map
It’s possible AE only wanted the animals to roam part of the island

[tawny briar]

Not completely sure, but I think I heard somewhere that Dondi (or one of the other devs) mentioned that the dinosaurs had their own paddocks that just weren't added to the game yet, so I think they were meant to be contained, and the fences around the buildings could be to keep out other things, like other jungle creatures or to stop the plantlife from overgrowing inside the building.

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, we know fences will come
We're just too early in development

[acoustic osprey]

We did see in Amarok stream last year that fences around the map was planned

[sharp knoll]

I mean we already got one leak of the fences

[rapid chasm]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit

There's atriums, and such I believe.

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[rapid chasm]

I know that utahs have a paddock

[acoustic osprey]

which can lead you to believe that they did contain their species (at least, during the ~90s)

[acoustic osprey]

However, that'd old lore.
But I think it's safe to say that it's probablly still confirmed (with paddocks)

[rapid chasm]

yes.

I mean there could've been like a reserve area where select assets roam free.

where AE observes them in a natural habitat.

WAIT

[acoustic osprey]

I presume a large section of Spiro was just a reserve area fenced out

[rapid chasm]

THERES 2014 IN HERE

SOMETHING-2014

[acoustic osprey]

Definitely a very thing

[rapid chasm]

Atrium C, Aqua lab.

Atrium B

meaning theres most likely a large human sector.

[acoustic osprey]

<@&933486433342222376>

[sand seal]

:D

[acoustic osprey]

My theory was that it was not Isle related

[sand seal]

A sound theory.

[acoustic osprey]

perfect 👌

[hallow stream]

A month maybe? Maybe even a date?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes.
Probably the [][][][] section between the first part of the date, 2014 part probably being the only aspect of that date we could get

But, that's old lore now.

I'd like to see more about "Generations" for the dinosaurs. But I doubt Dondi wants to keep that aspect in.
Just leaving "Gen 1 and 2" being terms for Tribals and Humans

[loud adder]

Most likely rewritten or scrapped.

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much

As cool as Legacy's lore is, the majority of it is very

[tawny briar]

I hope they keep some of Legacy's lore

[acoustic osprey]

some

[hallow stream]

I'm excited for the Evrima lore

[acoustic osprey]

Definitely

Evrima lore sounds very interesting

[hallow stream]

Especially that they mentioned Atrium C and the Cannibals and all that stuff for Evrima

[abstract onyx]

You add 10 years to that and you get U5 release date

[shell remnant]

Didn't Atrium-C become the area for Type-H studies?

[scarlet grotto]

are atrium b and c on the islands? because im pretty sure theres an atrium c in primal carnage

[shell remnant]

pretty sure its a different atrium system entirely. Phoenix atriums, from what we know, are domes. That's shown by a map in PCE, which is believed to be AT-C for Phoenix. For all we know, AE's atriums could be, like, space stations or some crazy thing we don't know about. Probably still domes tho

[acoustic osprey]

Who's to know

All have to wait and see if anything comes up soon

[rapid chasm]

I think

[bronze moth]

I remember reading somewhere that the original atrium C was destroyed and rebuilt after operation inferno

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[errant wolf]

guys!!!

[acoustic osprey]

Wrong channel

But I'll be looking for any map stuff for lore soon

[tender shard]

What is that in the lower left corner?!

This is original dev's screen i mean

[heavy quarry]

Kinda looks like a creature a server was making kinda like nycta with there moded dino

[tender shard]

And it's not like drawing official concept art.

[sharp knoll]

Necro-Tyrannus (Creature from Life Finds A Way)

[heavy quarry]

Yeah that's it

[sharp knoll]

But is not part of the lore so #offtopic-discussion

[acoustic osprey]

It's from Menix

It's a fan thing and is not in The Isle's lore

[tender shard]

Oh,sorry for my incompetence

[south prairie]

So what’s the deal with hypos, how were they created? Are they still a part of the current lore?

[acoustic osprey]

That's ok

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, hypers are still canon

[sharp knoll]

We got the new evrima hypo rex so yeah they still part of the lore

[tender shard]

Yes,there is a new hypo concept for ewrima

[acoustic osprey]

We can suspect all/most characters are making their way back into canon
Although likely with altered designs and/or backstories

[heavy quarry]

Is hyper Utah still a thing

[acoustic osprey]

Most likely

Although, probably renamed seeing as AE's Utah is being renamed

[south prairie]

So how were the hypos created though

[acoustic osprey]

Probably to something like Apolloraptor

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know properly.
Besides that they were genetically created by both AE and PI (PC)

Depending how you look at Phoenix International still

[heavy quarry]

Aren't they just making a new model for Utah and using the old models for another raptor

[acoustic osprey]

We know that they made Big Daddy (Magna Rex, although can't remember if they did anything else- to which I believe they did?)

[sharp knoll]

I mean the ervima utah is the same from legacy

[acoustic osprey]

No.
New model for paleo accurate Utah

Unless things change and Utah ain't getting a paleo Utah

[tender shard]

I think tissoplastic mutants will be removed

[acoustic osprey]

It should, hopefully, make sense in lore

To be the only accurate dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know yet.
We can believe Neuros are still in, at least Echidna
And Hypers? Well, Definitely in

Tisso plastic is really cool, for sure.
But we need to await for more information

[tender shard]

their abilities are too plain compared to neuro and hipo

[acoustic osprey]

Stealth?

I guess it's the least "sci-fi" out of the main three

But it's still a unique strain that is very much akin to Evrima gameplay of today

[heavy quarry]

What is the black spino tissuo or neruo

[tender shard]

Neuro can disable people's infrastructure with the power of thought, and hipos are almost mini kaiju

[sharp knoll]

Neurotenic

[sharp knoll]

Well not all neuros have EMP ability

[acoustic osprey]

At least Spino

But, like a lot of other things, we have no idea what things Strains can do now for Evrima

[heavy quarry]

I hope tisso stays as I really like the reaper I think that's what it's called

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[sharp knoll]

Well talking about humanoids strains

[acoustic osprey]

Nonetheless

A strain for Tissos

However, the only true humanoid strain that's pretty much confirmed is Echidna

Which won't likely be a playable

Excluding Eyeless. We lack a lot on what they are

[sharp knoll]

Didnt Dondi wanted to change the Eyeless

[acoustic osprey]

Strain? Modified Gen 1

[acoustic osprey]

Well no.
We know that The Eyeless are coming in some way shape or form.

Design-wise? No clue

[tender shard]

Here the question arises whether the cannibals will remain or what they were called there

[sharp knoll]

Eyeless

Cannibals are tribals

its a little bit confusing but yeah...

[acoustic osprey]

Yep

[heavy quarry]

Eyeless would be cool to play

[acoustic osprey]

Gen 1 = Tribals = Cannibals
Gen 2 = "Humans" = Mercs
Eyeless = REDACTED name

We know Eyeless have an official name.
We just won't know because their name indicates what they are

[sharp knoll]

"Cannibals"

[acoustic osprey]

No

Tribals were confirmed to be Cannibals

Originally thought Eyeless were Cannibals

[tender shard]

too powerful for a bot I think

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[heavy quarry]

Eyeless are Ben the dilo dogs army

[acoustic osprey]

[sharp knoll]

Ben

[tender shard]

[acoustic osprey]

#🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[molten talon]

Thank You

[acoustic osprey]

👍

[lost depot]

i used to like the lore side of the game and im gonna start playing again after a long break, is any of the previous lore shit still relevant?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no

Do you know anything from legacy lore?

[lost depot]

could i get like a brief description? its really distant in my memory sorry

[lost depot]

legacy as in the old lore? i think there was lots of talking about how the dinos were made/by who and there was stuff like the transition noises at the tower(s) in game

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

Here is pretty much the basics

AE (Apollo Engineering) is a bio-engineering company
AE made dinosaurs. AE also made mutated (strained) dinosaurs.
This took place all around the 90s (approximate)

AE also made mutated humans
- When? Who knows, but we can presume during AE's "Prime" in the 90s
- These humans are known as "Tribals"/Cannibals/Generation One

Tribals slowly went crazy and mad per cycle

Sometime later, around current modern times, AE makes Generation Two
- Generation Two are also known as "Mercs"/Humans
There is soo much more. But some of it is speculative canon and some of it is unconfirmed canon (lore from Legacy that we don't know will be in Evrima)

[pallid gust]

I kind of liked the idea of Embryos of humans being volunteered to AE to create the dinosaurs, where they used Human Embryos to do it. So as a reason the Dinosaurs being controlled by the player are those being tested to see how they act as Dinosaurs that were from humans. But I know that isn't the case I believe.

[acoustic osprey]

It's an old theory

Also similar to "Human brains in Dinosaur skulls"

[pallid gust]

Oh that sounds interesting.

[acoustic osprey]

Personally, I dislike it.

[pallid gust]

Also I said Volunteered as it was pointed out that they didn't want to do a Umbrella Corp situation with AE where they are considered 'evil'

[acoustic osprey]

But it's an understandable theory

[acoustic osprey]

Oh yeah, nothing Resident Evil-like
AE is not evil

Definitely not "Good"

[pallid gust]

Well good and evil are a point of view situation.

Helps us classify our own judgements.

[acoustic osprey]

Morally in the middle.
Chaotic but controlled.

Basically the Prime Bench sitters

[pallid gust]

I would like to believe that is the sitaution for me as a player, that I was donated to AE for research purposes as a Embryo. Maybe just something personal for me.

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, I wouldn't hate if this was the cause for Tribals and Humans
(To what we know that they're both genetic creations)

[pallid gust]

But as a dinosaur not Tribal or Humans.

[acoustic osprey]

[vocal violet]

Hello everyone any actual new lore information or still same old stuff?

[acoustic osprey]

Nothing recently

[lost depot]

yeah thats all what i remembered also

never heard the human brains in dinos stuff tho

[acoustic osprey]

Just a theory

[lost depot]

ye ik

well ima go for today cus i cant join any us servers 😔

[acoustic osprey]

No worries 👋 Stay well

[lost depot]

you two

[acoustic osprey]

Seems like there isn't any different on the map regarding lore.
Just went through the whole map over the pass hour

[oblique surge]

What about the music?

[acoustic osprey]

Oh I forgot about the music, forgot they added new stuff.

Ironic

[oblique surge]

Tsk tsk tsk
I expected better from you!

There better be a new frog video soon!

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-confused-gif-18767409

[celest raptor]

I think tribal or neanderthal humans would have suited the Isle a whole lot more than the modern Jurassic world vibe.

[acoustic osprey]

we're getting tribals

but tribals are larger humanoid creatures. Pretty much monsters

with ARK/Forest-like gameplay

and I'm not sure what you mean by "Modern Jurassic World vibe"
Unless you're referring to The Isle being based in contemporary times with a bioengineering company

[celest raptor]

The game, Jurassic Park / world

[acoustic osprey]

and I presume you mean The Isle being modern with a bio-engineering company?

because The Isle isn't a park

[celest raptor]

this is a theory channel yeah? we can theorise that prehistoric humans that possibly lived with dinos would work with the isle

if this is a Jurassic world global company gone bad samey deal then i guess modern humans would work better

[acoustic osprey]

We do have relatively "neanderthal"-like humans being added

However larger, dangerous and more chaotic

[celest raptor]

Where? I have only seen modern humans. Is this what Gen 1 and 2 mean?

[acoustic osprey]

Gen 1 are the "Tribals"
Gen 2 being "Mercs" (Humans)

[celest raptor]

Okay makes sense

[acoustic osprey]

What they're made for? Who knows

Some people presume AE wanted to make a perfect human.
Others? For fun

[celest raptor]

Sounds wild tbh, humans making early humans

[acoustic osprey]

who knows.

[tawny briar]

From what I was able to gather of legacy's lore, AE (the company) wanted to make the "perfect organism"

And so they tested different strains and mutations

[celest raptor]

Sounds like a lot more work then needed. and probably humans will be yearsssss down the line anyway judging by the release quality and quantity.

A theory such as a company with morally corrupt values making dinos with early humans to hunt and fight one another sounds very likely to be a park. What kind of world is the Isle a part of that anyone would stand by and allow humans to have DNA spliced i really struggle to believe to be realistic. Sticking with Dino survival might be the better option

[acoustic osprey]

Even with Phoenix making Magnas

[acoustic osprey]

Oh we do know that AE wont be "Evil"- if you place morally corrupt values with "Evil"/"Bad company"

[tawny briar]

Well they easily could have done it in secret, and seeing as they have technology to make dinosaurs in the first place (as well as mutating them with the strains) I wouldn't be surprised if they would have something that could hide them from the government in some way

[acoustic osprey]

We also have "Thousand life contract"

[celest raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-jeff-goldblum-gif-24255491

[acoustic osprey]

we also get the reference of nobility within the Transmissions

Rage can twist even the most noble purpose to that of cruelty.

those who joined up for Generation One (and probably even Gen2) were basically astronauts for AE

risking their lives for the means of science

Gen 2 is still questionable.
Contracted men and women, like with Gen 1, or pure genetically made humans?

[celest raptor]

Superhumans! why not lol

I want laser eyes

[tawny briar]

I pretty sure I've even seen some people theorize that the dinosaurs themselves are people who were just injected into a dinosaur's body

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[acoustic osprey]

Old theory.
Personally dislike it. But it's not bad

[celest raptor]

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Bloody hilarious theory

[acoustic osprey]

but reasonable

[tawny briar]

Yea, I personally don't beleive it, but I will admit that it's intresting to think about

[celest raptor]

Thats almost as good as the Hitler fled to Brazil and is still alive as a lizardman

[acoustic osprey]

True.
It's a bit over the top, gonna be honest.

[strange shell]

I don't see how having people separated from dinosaurs by 65 million years is less immersive than having people separated from dinosaurs by only 64 million and 990000 years in the same game

[acoustic osprey]

lol

I mean, Stomping Lands is coming back.
If you want more of that?

[clear root]

stegosaurus was originally created to be aggressive apex carnivores, but they went vegan, hence why they are still so aggressive

[celest raptor]

Questionable

[acoustic osprey]

I see

[long onyx]

still waiting for that lore thing that dondi said would be coming around june

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[twilit crown]

More like ark

[void bobcat]

I have a rough theory, either the dinosaurs are all robotic or they are somewhat cybernetically enhanced or modified. Alright hear me out when near some of the man made structures the vision of the creature is glitchy, implying its a location that is off limits for the "dinosaurs" or out of range for them maybe like a invisible fence for a dog. Another bit of evidence supporting this is the main menu, it looks like it may be a terminal to interact or control a dinosaur, which may be the reason you can check your vital signs and overall health. Its obvious that the island isn't being forgotten by whoever created it, there is a radio tower that is still active and seemingly transmitting implying that the island still have some significance. Overall I think there is something to be figured out with the lore when it comes to why the dinosaurs glitch and what the dinosaurs really are.

[tawny briar]

From a game perspective yes you are controlling the dinosaur, but in the lore I think that it's supposed to be a camera watching the dinosaur, supposedly from a tracking device somehow implemented in it.

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

dinosaurs glitch

if you're talking about the glitched-view in Legacy when you go near buildings.
That's mainly just a way to stop people from camping those areas.

The same effect is not present in Evrima and wont likely be in Evrima

[vocal sonnet]

I’m pretty sure it was confirmed the glitching is from the implanted chip in the Dino’s. Whether they are Retconning this tho, I have no clue.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/gone-reduced-to-atoms-thanos-gif-22903506

[boreal bridge]

Technically, I don't see how this would work, This is like theories with other monsters or animals, They can't be robots the theory is debunked
How could something be a robot if it can bleed, pretty soon show gore, Require water and food to survive? And about the dinosaurs checking their physical stats, You got a point there
But just like humans, You could feel when your hungry or thirsty and feel when your hurt or you should know if your bleeding because you should feel it
(Also, I like your theory)

Not to mention, They make sounds/screams of pain when being attacked

[acoustic osprey]

definitely not robots.

modified? Sure, especially strains, Gen 1 and 2

[boreal bridge]

And if they were robots, Unless they had an infinite life battery or something wouldn't they need to be recharged or re-fueled?

And they can break bones, as we hear when we fall from high places

or other such as pachy ram

[acoustic osprey]

They are not anywhere near robots

the only thing "cybernetic" that would relate to Dinosaurs are the chips supposedly implanted in non-nested dinosaurs

[boreal bridge]

its safe to say probably the most accurate theory is that dinosaurs survived somehow on an isolated island away from humans from what I've heard

[acoustic osprey]

Well.
Are you suggesting these are the same dinosaurs from the Mesozoic?

[boreal bridge]

actually

That theory is false, And would never be possible

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[boreal bridge]

As each dinosaur lived in different timezones

or periods of the Mesozoic

[acoustic osprey]

(We know that AE made the normal dinosaurs)

Strains?
Most likely AE, with Magna's being from PI

[boreal bridge]

Pi?

Phoenix international?

[acoustic osprey]

Phoenix International

(PC's guys)

[boreal bridge]

oh right

so, Your saying that P.I knows about the events of Evrima?

[acoustic osprey]

Depends if they're still active or not.
I believe they either shut down in the 90s after Operation Inferno

or survived, but largely diminished

[boreal bridge]

So, perhaps, Concluding the fall of P.I, By chance, The dinosaurs escaped and lived on this island thus creating The Isle evrima?

[acoustic osprey]

I presume AE created most of the dinosaurs on Spiro
PI only, really, contributing to the "Magna Strain" and maybe some other smaller aspects

[boreal bridge]

Well

taking a look at both dinosaurs

They do not look the same at all neither did they act the same

[acoustic osprey]

which dinos?

[boreal bridge]

All the ones in evrima compared to the same species in P.I Pc

[acoustic osprey]

ah yeah.
Made by different corporations

[boreal bridge]

They did act differently

I forgot what we were trying to figure out

[acoustic osprey]

something

[boreal bridge]

I think we were creating a lore

[acoustic osprey]

I'm just glad someone is talking here.

This is a mini-home for me

but yeah. Just waiting for Dondi to stream or show anything

[bold cipher]

What if the isle is just a spin-off of jwe

[acoustic osprey]

(Isle was made before JWE)

[bold cipher]

It was an ad campaign

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-confused-gif-18767409

[sharp knoll]

P.I creatures look different comparing to accurate creatures from AE, P.I creatures are suppose to be for military purpose, that's why they look different because of some details like armours on the back and etc. So it's mean that maybe P.I tried to change the future but tried to make creatures for military purposes, AE tried to make a quality of life (and finding the truth of evolution) but when they found the Replicator everything changes.

[acoustic osprey]

Probably hence the name Apollo

[sharp knoll]

And yeah P.I and AE worked together before, to create some strains.

[acoustic osprey]

AE taking Magna

[sharp knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-laugh-homelander-homelander-the-boys-homelander-gus-gif-25955978

[acoustic osprey]

Big Daddy

[sharp knoll]

Who knows...

[acoustic osprey]

But yeah.
Wondering how the dynamic will work between PI and AE

if it's any different in Evrima than Legacy

[sharp knoll]

People saying PI and AE is the same as InGen and Biosyn

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no, at least in my opinion

[sharp knoll]

but they were enemies (InGen and Biosyn)

[acoustic osprey]

the latter?

Yeah, pretty much

Biosyn watched InGen do things they could never do

[sharp knoll]

I don't think so

[sharp knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-furious-mad-punch-punching-gif-26094975

[acoustic osprey]

till InGen f*cked up

[acoustic osprey]

Well.
They're Competitors in some form and fashion.

Just InGen and Biosyn was a lot more saturated in competition (Especially in the books)

PI's pretty much gone bye bye?

[sharp knoll]

Well yeah

PI is dead so...

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, presume that's the same in Evrima

[sharp knoll]

Well we can see that AE has access now in PI systems

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah

just when was this?

We still wait to learn more

[sharp knoll]

AE hacker

[acoustic osprey]

Like? 90s? ("Abandonment" of Spiro, along those lines)
But then it feels odd?

Or more modern times? (When we're actually playing)
Where AE have gone through old data, etc etc, something along those lines

[sharp knoll]

Well I think when they finish the Dockyard maybe we can find some information on computers and papers if we can get inside of some structures of course

[acoustic osprey]

true that

Wondering if that information will be on officials only?

makes everything hard to get (in lore)
but effort then exists

[sharp knoll]

It was actually fun getting different morse codes on radio tower every updates

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

Although, very disappointing

SOS and B-

[sharp knoll]

443...

[acoustic osprey]

(most likely)

Why reference Big Daddy? Who knows

maybe just to tell us folk that it still exists in Evrima lore

[sharp knoll]

Don't forget B-442 (but is from old lore)

[acoustic osprey]

true that

[void bobcat]

An idea that could be connected to this is the "hyper" dinosaurs, assuming that they have survived for millions of years there has to have been some evolution.

[acoustic osprey]

Hypers didn't survive millions of years

they're genetically made strained dinosaurs

"Hyperendocrin"

[latent lichen]

what's the lore behind daytime sky and crushed blacks... dinos see all shadows from sunless blue skies as crushed blacks because it lets them sleep better

[boreal bridge]

I think that is just very bright moonlight

[rapid chasm]

Magna is Pi rex.

[naive tulip]

Why are type M dinosaurs "taking a front seat role" over other strain choices?

Does this imply that Magna dinosaurs are the ideal versions? Possibly the end goal for whatever purpose the Isle serves?

[sharp knoll]

Who said that the other strains will not get their role

We got a new Hypo Rex design

And they will be important

[naive tulip]

Apperantly Punchpacket, according to the wiki

And yes, but the Type H may not be that important, subpar experiments you know?

[sharp knoll]

We'll see

[acoustic osprey]

Yep

[acoustic osprey]

Which died in operation inferno iirc

[acoustic osprey]

We can believe that Magnas are more perfect versions of their non strained selfs

[velvet vigil]

can anyone explain why there are rabbits?

I assume the humans just let them populate the isle

[acoustic osprey]

Pretty much

[oblique surge]

Either already lived in the island or were taken there to feed the dinos but broke free along with them
Probably the latter

[naive tulip]

So since the Type H, M and T have a very clear usage in mind, what could have caused the creation of the Type N?

Why would someone go
"Yeah let's make it have no eyes, mind powers, blinding powers, and EMPs."

[acoustic osprey]

How they were made? Who knows.
We knew in legacy there were, however, neurotenic bio-materials
- These materials, if touched, could've possibly turned into a neurotenic-like create (like Echidna)

[naive tulip]

So if the Neurotonoc is a mistake of a Strain, could we make similar assumptions for the others?

Or are the others too controlled and purposeful?

[oblique surge]

If the objective of AE is to improve the human body (generation two being a somewhat perfect human, hypers being pretty much an improvement on the normal animal) I imagine neuros were created with the intent to significantly improve the human brain

We’re already super smart
Having mind powers and being able to affect eletrical equipment with our brains seems like the next step to go

[naive tulip]

That is an illogical leap, we don't know what the Gen 2s are we only have the assumption they are genetically enhanced, when in actuality I'd wager they're normally people

With the Gen 1 being genetically modified, since we've seen some fucked up tribals

[oblique surge]

Oh sorry I didn’t mean they are a perfect human
It was more if that idea was correct, my bad

[acoustic osprey]

Well we know both Magnas and Hypers are very similar.
Hypers being "Hyper endocrine" dinosaurs
and Magnas being "More perfect" dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

Well, we do know Mercs are Gen 2s

But.
If Gen 1 are genetically made/modified humans (Tribals)

Then it'd be safe to assume Gen 2 are as well

[naive tulip]

Without knowing why Gen 2 are here, we can't assume anything about them

Are they still described as big game hunters?

[acoustic osprey]

No

We do know that our Mercs are Gen 2

Technically, they're not even Mercenaries (as that is it's community name)

They're Generation Two, aka. Humans

And because we know Generation One (Tribals) are genetically done

Then it's safe to assume that Gen 2 are also genetically done/altered

Because if they weren't, then why bother calling them Generation Two?

[naive tulip]

It's not safe to assume that they are done up so dramatically

I'd say that they aren't nearly as dramatic or as enhanced as tribals, they're probably close to real humans but slightly better

Since obviously making them TOO powerful ended up poorly, since Gen 1 seems to be geared up to be hostile or at least distinct faction wise from Gen 2

[reef frigate]

What if humans created the hypos?

[oblique surge]

they did
hyperendoncrins are one of the strains created by AE

[rapid chasm]

it is

[naive tulip]

All the strains are created by humans in some way, even if accidently

After all, without humans the Dinosaurs wouldn't even be brought back

If the Strains weren't intentional, we have to ask ourselves how they would come about

Which brings me to something else

It was mentioned at one point the diet system would play a part in it, and I swear that it was stated somewhere that Herbivores would not have strains so it got me maybe mis remembering something, what if Herbivores played a middle man position?

What if AE tinkering with flora on the islands produced plants that lead to strains and as Herbivores didn't turn into strains the plants were safe to eat for them?

If this is true I'd imagine that the plants would probably fill all the diet needs but more importantly it would provide a very good lore justification for dinosaurs evolving into strains without outside involvement

Elder carnivores that don't die hunt down glowing Herbivores with their waning strength, and consume them turning them into strains

This brings me ALL the way back to a point I wanted to try and make earlier, what if Gen 1 humans with their overenhancment have the same flaws, eating the plants or Herbivores that ate them turns them into strains, and that's why the Gen 2 are here, less engineered and on the ground to keep the strains from getting out of hand, as they COULD do some serious damage

If the idea of Strain flora pans out, I imagine the alternate versions of the bigger and badder tribals could just require ingesting and surviving strain tainted fruits

The tree of POWER baby

[acoustic osprey]

Why wouldn't Gen 2 be at least touched up genetically?

[acoustic osprey]

We know that pretty much all strains from legacy were made by either AE or PI

[naive tulip]

Tuned up, not turned into beasts

You'd want to avoid their violent reactions to strains if you wanted to maintain their presence, IF the strains only have an effect on genetically engineered beings that is

[acoustic osprey]

Gen 2 are not beasts
Of course

But that still doesn't mean they couldn't have been made similarly to Gen 1. Just done genetically better and more pure

[naive tulip]

If my theory pans out, I'd imagine it's BECUASE of all the beefing up that the Strains are able to fuck over human bodies

So minimal engineering on a body would leave it immune, telling us why Gen 2s have guns and armor and need those walls/fences around their permanent bases

I personally think it doesn't make sense for generation 2 to have massive genetic alterations

Otherwise what separates them from the Generation 1?

[warm oxide]

Have the mercs been confirmed to be gen 2 or actual mercenaries?

[acoustic osprey]

No
They're Gen 2

[warm oxide]

Damn bro

[acoustic osprey]

They might have some aspect of being a Mercenary

At least, being contracted to become "Gen 2"
But who knows

[acoustic osprey]

Generation One was an old prototype.
Made (presumed) around 30 years before the current events of The Isle.

Their "physical" alterations would be different because AE realised that "Big and scary human" causes massive psychotic disorders

AE would've realised, if they're trying to make a perfect human (or along those lines)
That the natural human body is most likely the "way to go"

[acoustic osprey]

We also have three, legacy, human strains

Although no idea if they're Gen 2 strains or not

Echidna, Reaper and Colossus

Either those human subjects were Gen 1 or 2, or neither.

We're yet to find out, hopefully

[gentle vessel]

I don’t think they are either imo

They have the vibe of like, just being BORN like that

Less mutated and more they came out a vat like that

Since they looked, cleaner, than the Dino strains, with less random mutations or damages

[acoustic osprey]

I do recall Echidna being an accident

Although, I'm not entirely sure

[gentle vessel]

She doesn’t look like one to me

Most neuros, don’t change much aside from super gracile, semi transparent skin and no eyes, she has way way more than that

[acoustic osprey]

What are you suggesting she is?

[gentle vessel]

I’m suggesting all 3 are genetic splices, using strains+human embryo and what other dna is around

Similar to the hunters in re

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly, probably the same with Gen 1 at least.

Excluding the strain aspect

[gentle vessel]

The attempt at making humans “perfect” backfiring

[acoustic osprey]

Obvious references to "cycles" and batches

[gentle vessel]

You can see this best imo with colossus

If colossus was just tribal plus hyper strain, you would expect more random mutations

And the morphology visibly twisted

Yet, you don’t, you see a clean form, no random spikes or over grown armor

Just basic human frame, but larger, however, it probably has theropod dna

[acoustic osprey]

All mostly depends on both their designs

[gentle vessel]

Ye

Reaper is visually the least human, but then again he is dead so lol

[acoustic osprey]

Quite so

Still wondering if the three are coming back to Evrima
Well, we do know that Echidna is most likely returning

[gentle vessel]

I hope colossus does

He is the brawn to counter echidnas brain

The 2 imo need to be together lore wise

Yin and Yang

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[gentle vessel]

Just imo colossus needs to have more lore importance

And a shrink in size

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

Very true

[gentle vessel]

One thing I would like

If it was echidna and colossus working together to break out and cause the initial incident

[acoustic osprey]

Well, lead it at the very least

[gentle vessel]

Ye

[acoustic osprey]

Wonder if they're able to communicate through to Dinosaur strains

[gentle vessel]

She can fuck with the electronics and minds, but doesn’t have the brawn or instincts needed to break out or deal with any threats she can’t brain fuck

[acoustic osprey]

I presume it was mostly a combination of Tribals going mad

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[gentle vessel]

Like, in my head canon

It’s a planet of the apes scenario, with echidna pulling a Caesar

She is rallying support from tribals, “uplifting” them and teaching them things

And frees colossus, her “brother”

Tells him the basic “we need to leave” plan

And then the revolt begins

[gentle vessel]

That seem about right from what we know?

[acoustic osprey]

Oh it seems very sound

Like, Echidna is referred to the Mother of Cannibals

Her trying to uplift Tribals and encourage chaos

It fits with what happens

AE thinks it's just because Tribals "are physically different" that are causing them to go chaotic

but in reality, it's Echidna actually just playing a Palpatine

[gentle vessel]

and colossus is just along for the ride

[acoustic osprey]

with Colossus as Vader, if you will

[gentle vessel]

and their break out could be what lets strains into the wild

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much

[gentle vessel]

probably via their blood, or them breaking a lab

letting loose pure forms of whatever causes the strains into the ecosystem

[acoustic osprey]

Actually, thinking about that.
Yeah, how would they actually interact

[gentle vessel]

who, colossus and echidna?

[acoustic osprey]

The first generation turned to worship. Results were hindered by the malignant passing down stories of how they came to be. Soon they stopped giving results at all. Echidna considered them all children

Did AE let Echidna interact with Tribals?
Or was this after AE lost proper control and mostly surveyed Spiro?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[gentle vessel]

or, it happened when they didnt know about it

with echidna able to fuck with electronics and shit

[acoustic osprey]

true

[gentle vessel]

it would be childs play to just, turn off the sensors in a room to "talk"

[acoustic osprey]

Then it comes down to where Tribals are

especially just the layout of AE within Spiro

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/939061916272328756/996193204284170301/unknown4.png
Like is it something like this?

[gentle vessel]

since they started out at first as normal, then degraded, probably specimen behavior

[acoustic osprey]

Pretty much, the "normal" dinosaurs are in the fenced area (Free-ranged)

Would Tribals be there to? (To test their survivability)

[gentle vessel]

I doubt it really

[acoustic osprey]

Strains most definitely being in more contained enclosures

[gentle vessel]

because in my head canon tribals were probably an attempt at human 2.0

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah

Hence why I'd see AE putting them a more free-ranged area to allow test of survivability etc

[gentle vessel]

better resistance to disease, better healing strength the works, but you want to see if they are still human, setting them lose in the wild removes that

[acoustic osprey]

They did go insane

[gentle vessel]

but we dont know when

[acoustic osprey]

After the fifteenth cycle their stories compiled into an archive they handed down through the generations. As their mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions, only the most basic and violent ideologies remained

[gentle vessel]

or at what point in the tests

[acoustic osprey]

At through 15 cycles

Aka. "Generations" through Tribals

[gentle vessel]

so version 15

hmm

[acoustic osprey]

Slow patches per cycle

[gentle vessel]

it could have been echidna

nudging em to the ways SHE wanted

SHE wanted control, she was their mother, they will obey her rules

[acoustic osprey]

what could've been echidna?

[gentle vessel]

what caused the sudden shift

at cycle 15

because its strange right that it took 15 cycles for em to suddenly shift gears

[acoustic osprey]

I mean.
At their 15th, the transmission detailed that they had a whole archive of what's happened from the first tribal to the current tribal

as the next sentence starts with "As their", it seems to allude to a more gradual and slow decay of cognitive functions through each cycle

and by the end (15th cycle)

only the most basic and violent ideologies remained

[gentle vessel]

hmm

i can see em being kept AT FIRST

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

then slowly let out

[gentle vessel]

in a secure area, to make sure there aint any obvious issues

[acoustic osprey]

However, I guess we'll know more how AE organised everything with their tests when we see Spiro's full layout

and/or word from Dondi

[gentle vessel]

^

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-scratch-like-thats-ever-gonna-happen-book-gif-16284864

[gentle vessel]

i do think however that colossus and echidna are important, hell, they could be what sets off the replicator going bonkers

[acoustic osprey]

Definitely

And to get to know the time period of these events would be splendid

[gentle vessel]

this is why i want an Invincible or The Boys style show, showing what happened prior to the game

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

Something not limited by normal storytelling cliches

[gentle vessel]

and i would like the Titans(the strain humans) to have character

and not generic monsters

having colossus for example be this big dumb, yet somehow, idk, naive fella could be neat

just corrupted and turned uber rage via his time as a lab rat and under echidnas tutelage

[acoustic osprey]

Definately

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, these are still humans. Just genetically not just human

And if anything.
I hope Dondi doesn't base their personality solely on their "build"

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-bad-batch-star-wars-the-bad-batch-gif-20961080

Pretty much.
I'd wish not to see Wrecker's cliche personality for Colossus

If you're a brute, you're a brute.
Not a brute with weak feelings and afraid of heights

[gentle vessel]

I’d like colossus to be in a kinda personality disorder

Bipolar disorder

When he is hungry, he is violent, vengeful, blood hungry

But when he isn’t hungry, calm, composed, more “human”

Even if he probably can’t speak

Think like a mix of the hulk and King Kong 2005

And by hulk I mean The Incredible Hulk, from the 2008 film

[acoustic osprey]

Oh yeah

[gentle vessel]

Can go from the calm human/ape personality

[acoustic osprey]

Sounds interesting

[gentle vessel]

To primal fucking rage distilled and condensed

[gentle vessel]

Imo it makes sense, he is still human mentally after all, just one with his metabolism and body changed and enhanced to fuck

[acoustic osprey]

true

[gentle vessel]

For echidna, I want a, how do I put this

Actress of emotion

Can seem all nice and motherly, but underneath it is a cruel logic

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, sounds like it'd fit her

[shrewd venture]

I could see like she'd be all nurturing and caring to anyone that bends their will but the second anyone questions or challenges her authority she fucks shit up

Also idek who Echidna is so yeah

[gentle vessel]

Echidna is the neuro human

The one with no face and all the tentacles

[shrewd venture]

Riiiight Right

[shrewd venture]

yep

[tawny briar]

Is she still planned to be added?

[gentle vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-idk-i-dont-know-elmo-gif-16565594

All we know she is important to the lore

Doesn’t need to be in game per say

[uncut rapids]

where do I catch up on all these funni lore characters

[gentle vessel]

This chat, lore videos, asking @acoustic osprey

[kind jolt]

What does the AE stand for?

[sonic rampart]

Apollo Engineering

[kind jolt]

Thanks

That explains the staff

With the snakes

[warm oxide]

umm what

[old stone]

The symbol of Apollo is 2 snakes intertwined around a staff

[shell remnant]

Staff of Apollo

[old stone]

Right

It is one of his symbols though

[shell remnant]

Could heal anyone or something, maybe important to lore?

[warm oxide]

Isn't that on the fucking thing Doctors have to sign

"Value of life" or something it like a vouge

[gentle vessel]

It’s more like he was a god of Medicine, archery and arts such as poetry and painting

[sharp island]

The symbol of healers is a single snake on a rod, the Rod of Asclepius. The two snakes is the staff of Caduceus, which represents Hermes the Messenger and is borne by heralds in general. It’s also the symbol of the god Mercury. It refers to death and life as well. All in all a fitting symbol for Apollo

Caduceus and Asclepius get mixed up a LOT

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus

[shell remnant]

i always get the two mixed up lol, not an expert

[sharp island]

It's a common mixup 🙂 one that I expect that the devs are using intentionally

[shell remnant]

But it definitely has some significance. Maybe it represents the Replicator, whatever it is?

Or even the Thousand Life Contract

[warm oxide]

Symbol of medicine right?

[shell remnant]

The one that Apollo Engineering has is the Caduceus, which is a bit different

[warm oxide]

Caduceus is the symbol of healing

[acoustic osprey]

Isn't it just Æ and a double helix

[old stone]

Oh, I'm talking about the Greek god Apollo

[acoustic osprey]

With Phoenix International have the double helix based off the Apollo/Hospital logo

[old stone]

Yes

[hidden valve]

What’s the TLC?

[normal widget]

Is there an actual story to evrima or no?

[sonic rampart]

Not yet, eventually there will be

[normal widget]

Ooo ok

Hey I have a good theorie but won’t say yet I need to do more digging lmao

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no

We, as the players, do not know everything yet

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[normal widget]

Okie

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

Dondi — Today at 12:46
I've been out since mid-June handling some family things so I didn't get to post the things I wanted to. Let me shove 5.5 into the public's lap first.

On the topic of lore.
We'll be waiting till 5.5

[normal widget]

So Evrima means discovery in mexican so maybe the isle evrima is some island in mexico?

possibly

[acoustic osprey]

Greek

[normal widget]

it says mexican tho

uhhh

my phone says different to pc

it is greek

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[normal widget]

lol sorry

[acoustic osprey]

it's ok

[normal widget]

thx

[delicate mica]

have you guys found all the numbers yet?

[acoustic osprey]

for which thing?

[delicate mica]

for everima if you look on certain rocks you can find tribal painitngs and numbers...

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[icy onyx]

How would one go about getting to the beginnning of this channel? This is some fascinating stuff

[icy onyx]

Use the discord search function, specific this channel and type in a very commonly used word like “a”

Or sort by dates/choose a date range

@icy onyx

There’s a pin from 2018 if you wanna scroll from there

[icy onyx]

TY!

[novel kindle]

On computer you can just search:
In: so-and-so-channel and then sort by Old

[acoustic osprey]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit

This doc is great

You can basically just find whatever I've written here as well over the past year

But mostly, look at #transmissions
Messages from here
And that doc

[icy onyx]

TY also!

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no

Finding topic words from 2018 is great
But most of the old stuff in here either is barely practical jargon or small talk

[acoustic osprey]

No worries, happy researching

Nothing too crazy in Evrima lore yet
Dondi said we'll have to wait till Update 5.5

[crude dust]

so what exactly causes the glitching effect when dinos are near human structures? is it some kind of deterrent?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no

[crude dust]

so, yesn't

[acoustic osprey]

Better to just ignore it as it'll likely not be reintroduced in Evrima

[crude dust]

but-
but-
it's so interesting- >->

and what happened to AE? other than my assumption of they got Jurassic Park'd.

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know too much on how AE "lost" control of Spiro

[crude dust]

what’s spiro lol
I’m super new to the isle, I got the game today but what little bits I know about the lore fascinate me

[sonic rampart]

Spiro is the map that evrima currently uses

[crude dust]

ah ok

[crude dust]

the quotes imply that they could still be in control, but how would that work? everything looks like it’s hella funky and unresponsive to AE at least from what I can tell

[acoustic osprey]

Depends on when the transmissions took place

[acoustic osprey]

Isla Spiro, current main island

[shrewd tapir]

Bee is going to go looking for lore around the various human structures. Looking specifically for Graffiti, Newspapers, perhaps any suspicous signs of anything. whats the fastest dino to travel as?? bee usually goes teno but would carno or utah be better?

[teal plover]

i reckon ptera bc it can fly so its easy to get around and you barely need to eat

[oblique surge]

Ptera is small and it flies so it’d be best
Hypsi and dryo would also work

[acoustic osprey]

Trust me, there is nothing much

Besides a small little Easter egg

[oblique surge]

That’s an incredible picture

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[naive tulip]

Squints
Does that say Afton's in the Light?
Is the Isle connected to the Five Night's at Freddy Universe?

Jokes aside I can't tell if it's supposed to say
"After the night"
Or
"Afterthought"

Tis a very faded piece

[acoustic osprey]

Afterthought

[naive tulip]

Does that... mean anything?

[acoustic osprey]

An Easter egg

Because that's the Dev's company name

[swift robin]

That's funny

[shrewd tapir]

whats it say? "After" and then.. Night? Knight?

[icy onyx]

Scott Cawthon new dev

[fringe marsh]

Aw hell nah

[acoustic osprey]

Afterthought

[shell remnant]

The Isle is now a Clickteam game

[pseudo fable]

A fun thing snuck in that will be clipped out because it has no meaning to the game, but that is indeed what someone made it to say.

[acoustic osprey]

[pseudo fable]

Fun fact: When it went into the final texture for the model, I didn't know that was put there. It wasn't until shortly before it was ever seen in Spiro that I saw it.

[acoustic osprey]

ahh, so it was a little sneaky thing put right under your nose

[pseudo fable]

They do that sometimes.

[acoustic osprey]

It's still quite neat and hilarious to see. Obviously wouldn't fit properly lore-wise, but nice but subtle nonetheless

[pseudo fable]

I stand pretty firm by a rule that anything in there needs to have a reason. No need to have something cute that points to ourselves. Everyone knows who made it. No one cares. I certainly wouldn't.

But the replacement touches are nice.

[acoustic osprey]

100% agree

Adding extra bits of information is just further 'useless' information being needed

[pseudo fable]

Oh no, there's tons of useless information. It just has to contribute to the world.

That didn't.

[acoustic osprey]

ahh true

useless information is still fun, with or without the dev team's mention