general-feedback-discussion

[vestal vapor]

Yea good chance. Funny the only interaction I had with them yesterday was about dlss.

[frank tapir]

you were blocked before that, can't remember why, I blocked a bunch of people that voted yes on increaseing ai spawns, so it could have been from that

[normal shuttle]

Damn

[vestal vapor]

Seems a bit odd to block someone for having an opinion.

Regardless, AI spawns have their own issues lol

[normal shuttle]

@prisma copper latency and git gud

that's the cure

[vestal vapor]

@prisma copper I feel you, I'm not a fan of how carno, cera or dibble's charge works.

It's hit box is a bit wide but it's not that long. The rework I propose is that it should miss small dinos if they already pass the target area. This would stop a lot of the bush chewing.

The Alt attack is even worse, (especially for troodon)

I recommend using f2 in game, record a demo and rewatch it. If it's lag you will see they were close enough, if not it may be an other issue.

[torn void]

Yes, what does my suggestion have to do with the chin?._. he has it in both models

[normal shuttle]

I like inaccurate and uninspired reptiles

so ur take is bad

[torn void]

Wdym?

[normal shuttle]

that I like when giga looks mid

[torn void]

Biggest jwd fan

[normal shuttle]

indeed

I love joker giga

I am tired of the carno buff requests

no, we don't need to give carno 500 extra health and make it able to knock over ceras

#general-feedback message I still think I was overhated for this

[wooden agate]

infact id argue you didn't receive enough malice and hate for it

[urban flax]

I still think you were high when you posted this

[normal shuttle]

maybe

I just wanted to have a laugh and I was tired of deinos being walked down by other 7 tons heavier effortlessly

[green niche]

that suggestion is hilarious

[normal shuttle]

this made me cry when I first read it

[green niche]

like dang im almost inclined to vote yes just because i would die laughing at it

voted yes just because it would be the funniest possible thing to see even though even the smallest baby croc is waaaaaay to heavy to logically do it

[normal shuttle]

I know

although I think that isn't my most downvoted feedback ever

I need to check it out

[urban flax]

good

[green niche]

nods sagely sometimes its not about realism, its what makes you fall over howling with laughter

[minor field]

That’s fire

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message second place I believe

#general-feedback message this one's funny too

[green niche]

okay but that suggestion is also hilarious

[minor field]

We should have Acro store nutrients in its tail actually

[lucid mauve]

that troodon was actually a good one lol

[green niche]

and it only makes sense, doesnt it? if troodons can mimic dino calls, then surely they can accidentally speak some words in it, like a parrot
although if they did have something like that, perhaps rather having a set and limited vocabulary based on the words 'said' most often around them would be more plausible

[normal shuttle]

we should have acro getting instantly killed when near treadmills

[indigo gulch]

I think I got 1 feedback post

[green niche]

lmaooo

[indigo gulch]

And that was before muts

[green niche]

these all have one thousand upvotes in my heart

[indigo gulch]

Oh no 2

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message okay no this one was bad too. And also I am having a hard time because most of my suggestions have like +40 upvotes and less than 10 downvotes

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message this is the one I was talking about tho

[normal shuttle]

#balance-feedback message I just get mogged by others bruh

[unreal ridge]

@minor field that’s planned

[normal shuttle]

I only have two massively downvoted posts in recent times

[unreal ridge]

Hyspi spit will cause herreras to fall

[indigo gulch]

The deinosuchus one there is just ridiculous🤣

[normal shuttle]

hypsi juvi herra hunter niche

[indigo gulch]

What

Wait is that confirmed?

[normal shuttle]

planned

[unreal ridge]

Yes, in order to clear its eyes Herrera has to be standing

So you’ll either be climbing blind or just free fall

[green niche]

look, i wouldnt worry about the downvotes. it can be for various reasons and it can also be wholly dependent on who is on at the time. there are people who suggest almost the exact same thing and the number of upvotes and downvotes those same suggestions get vary a LOT

[unreal ridge]

A lot of people downvote without reading the actual suggestion

[minor field]

Perfect

[green niche]

and tbh, at times when ive made suggestions that i thought were really good and really should be implemented, they received far more downvotes than i thought they deserved, especially compared to suggestions of my own that i thought were mediocre but turned out to be popular with people

[unreal ridge]

Yeah I’ve had people disagree with me but then after I explain it they come around

[normal shuttle]

Add the pervatasaurus

[green niche]

people in the game also.... they absolutely hate the thought of the game being in any way harder, and a lot of the loudest people also seem to be under the impression that this is a pvp game and not a survival game
people also tend to want their favourite dino to be the 'best' and the strongest

[unreal ridge]

I already play the game wym

Yeah dude that’s why malnutrition was removed, people would sit around without any diets and not play the game and wonder why they weren’t being rewarded

Granted it was a wee bit harsh but still

That’s why people so adverse to herbivores being stronger
Since they are OBVIOUSLY just carnivore fodder

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message this has to be bait or a kid right?

biggest predator that would walk on the island he is bigger than Giganotozura and he grew up to 12m and 5 tins

No punctuation, "HE'S THE BIGGEST AND BADDEST" but still almost half the weight of rex

[green niche]

people just dont realise that you dont actually have to be able to kill the adult herbivores as any carnivore

[unreal ridge]

Not even mentioning trike could easily one shot (and should) one shot most of the mid tier carnivores if it stabs them in the chest

[normal shuttle]

oh wait...It is a REPOST

[green niche]

like, as a carnivore, you are meant to be going after the weakest. which means the babies, usually

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message

[green niche]

or the solos

[normal shuttle]

LMAOOOOO

[unreal ridge]

Yeah another reason the carno diet complaining doesn’t work

Small game hunter, ram and eat the babies
Don’t ram the fully grown diablo

[green niche]

yup

[unreal ridge]

71 X is CRAZY

[green niche]

but even then.... ive met carnos that can solo adult maias

[minor field]

I love the feedback channels

[normal shuttle]

I've seen suggestions with +120

[unreal ridge]

Maia is one of carno’s easier and harder prey at the same time

[normal shuttle]

same, hence why I mostly hang around here

[green niche]

not an adult dibble, granted, dibbles are made for defence

[minor field]

That’s cause most maias can’t even control their playable correctly

[unreal ridge]

if you aren’t dumb and actually treat it with some hesitancy Maia will quickly crumble

[green niche]

yup

[minor field]

Against like, a good maia carno has to go away

[unreal ridge]

dude whenever I see people play troodon and Maia poorly my heart dies inside

[green niche]

has the buff maia is meant to recieve come out yet?

[minor field]

I main maia and other maia players make me really sad

[unreal ridge]

I’ve made guides on how to play Maia correctly, I’m going to make a stun guide to show people what they can and can’t stun

[minor field]

I’ve figured this out, turns out they can stun full grown dibbles with the shove

[unreal ridge]

Dude I nested in a horde of maias
I watched 3 of my FULLY GROWN kids die to a Cerato duo 💔

[minor field]

Me and my friend found that out two days ago, and we bullied a bunch of cocky dibs

[green niche]

what people seem to fail to understand is that the herbivores are big - and that carnivores will almost never take on anything even near their own weight. because its dangerous

[unreal ridge]

Out of like 25 stomps they hit maybe 2 between them

I had to intervene and ended up killing both Ceras

[minor field]

Yeah

Most people don’t know how to play against maia properly either

[unreal ridge]

Dude I cannot wait for Shant
So many apex mains are gonna CRY

[minor field]

If they do maia is significantly weaker than most other playables

[unreal ridge]

18 tons of f around and find out

[minor field]

I haven’t figured out how to fight maias well as cera (mainly cause I keep getting ghost hit when my friend and I 1v1) but it’s not as hard as people think

[green niche]

and like, i just play whatever im in the mood for atm - currently dryo xd - and switch between things

[minor field]

Like at most a good maia can 1v1 a good cera but its gonna be close

Especially if you intend to do it to the death

[unreal ridge]

I know how to 1v1 Maia as Omni

Keep biting the tip of their tail until they keep wasting kick alt attack stamina

Then just do as you please

[green niche]

if they ever added mosasaurus i suspect i would main that though.... and i def think im going to end up playing a lot of theri when it comes out... fell in love with those guys from ark

[unreal ridge]

in a pack I exhaust the prey by baiting them then my pack jumps and pins them

[normal shuttle]

@thick ivy WHAT

WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT??!?!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??

[green niche]

people also dont realise that a lot of fights are terrain dependent

[untold geyser]

12/10 bait

[green niche]

or well, the herbivores realise it

[minor field]

If you really want to kill then there’s not a whole not a maia can do against agile predators

[unreal ridge]

I love sending omnis off cliffs as pachy

[green niche]

but carnivores think they should be able to kill everything regardless of location

[normal shuttle]

yeah let's just allow dilos to outmaneuver everyone and kill them with two bites more easily, what could go wrong?

[minor field]

I hope the buffs allow it to cover itself better because in live you only have like a couple options that are worth going for

[untold geyser]

I think they swim too slow.. give em maia's old swim speed

[minor field]

Despite having the most attacks of any playable maia has some of the most useless ones in the entire game

The biped slaps….

[unreal ridge]

Don’t diss the slaps
I’ve killed a Diablo just by spamming those lmao

[minor field]

Like I’ve found niche uses for every attack but so many of them are honestly not worth it

[unreal ridge]

I was trying to kill my Maia it turns out he was just terrible

[minor field]

I’ve killed like, a cera once with them only after I made him eat the curb

If they stand still and take every tick of damage the damage is actually pretty good

[unreal ridge]

Stun, slap for 4 (100 damage) he doesn’t get any tactile stamina back since it’s 25 damage a hit

and if I do need to stun him I’ll stamp him to the ground

[normal shuttle]

I think dilo needs verticality, give it flight by creating its own leverage out of thin air

[minor field]

But the problem is landing all 4 ticks in the first place

The quad headbutt I honestly find more useful

[untold geyser]

bites too slow

[minor field]

It’s like tenos bite but slower if that makes sense

[unreal ridge]

That’s what the crests are for, they flap to give dilo flight

[normal shuttle]

18 bites per second, now it can do some damage

[untold geyser]

don't change it though
I want to stay mad at it

[minor field]

You use it the same way as you would use a teno bite

[unreal ridge]

Why does stego even have that trash ahh bite still

[normal shuttle]

they accelerate particles to shoot them at high speeds as alpha particles to inflict radiation poisoning

[untold geyser]

BECAUSE ITS FUNNY

[minor field]

The alt attacks in quad are kinda underrated, the forward facing ones come out pretty quickly with cc and alright damage

[minor field]

It just sucks that they leave you in like, 2 and a half seconds of endlag

[unreal ridge]

Dilo spitting cobra niche!!!

Give juveniles venom they can spit like primal carnage!!

[untold geyser]

👀

[minor field]

But all in all maia is like, pretty decent. Just has more weaknesses it has to play around.

[normal shuttle]

...oh

[unreal ridge]

why is it white

Freaky dilo

[normal shuttle]

dilo can eat radium now to boost its venom and kill you inevitabaly in 1 week

[untold geyser]

sorry that niche is taken by tisso dilo 😔

[normal shuttle]

and also fart chlorine gas

now dilo is viable. B tier tho

[untold geyser]

low-mid C tier honestly

[unreal ridge]

dilo can now pounce and pin creatures and climb trees

[minor field]

Hypsi should be able to explode and give the victim it explodes on radiation poisoning

[unreal ridge]

Hyspi should be able to detonate if captured

[untold geyser]

hi soldier boy

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message tell me you don't know what intellectual property is without telling me you don't know what intellectual property is

[unreal ridge]

We’re getting after thought sued with this one!!

[untold geyser]

4 year beef 🙁

[minor field]

We have better things than that in this game anyways

[green niche]

Surely having omniraptor is already a bit dicey?

[untold geyser]

arboreal magy

[normal shuttle]

real, can't let go smh smh

[green niche]

Like. Omni is already very clearly jurassic park based

[untold geyser]

Ehh JP doesn't particularly own raptors

[normal shuttle]

magy should be voiced by Matt Damon

[untold geyser]

Indominus and Indoraptor however are original creations by them

[normal shuttle]

JP didn't invent featherless raptors

[green niche]

Ahhh, makes sense

[minor field]

I mean it’s call is literally the jp raptor

But like, edited a bit

[normal shuttle]

tricky copyright stuff

[unreal ridge]

jp raptor = jhe psle raptor

[untold geyser]

erm thats the sound the replicated trachea made??

[unreal ridge]

instead of giving Rex vocals, just give it different Michael cera voice lines

instead of broadcasting it goes “OVER HERE GUYS!”

[minor field]

Scott pilgrim trex?

[normal shuttle]

what?

[untold geyser]

michaelceratosaurus

[unreal ridge]

3 call it just censors its mouth

[normal shuttle]

ur joking right?

[untold geyser]

no..

[normal shuttle]

source

[minor field]

I have my serious cap on

[untold geyser]

no!

[normal shuttle]

liar!

[unreal ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/swagger-billions-must-die-chud-wojak-soyjak-gif-9373396409961113206

Millions must play Rex

[untold geyser]

but it is like saying that piano sounds like guitar when you specifically played it to make it sound that way

[normal shuttle]

they should put Zendaya in game somehow just like Shrek 5 did

[untold geyser]

whoever used the larynx was very obviously trying to replicate the JP sound

[unreal ridge]

Tom holland as herrerasaurus

Sam Elliot as shantungosaurus

[normal shuttle]

Dondi should sell the game to Hollywood or Activision

[untold geyser]

SONY

[normal shuttle]

Bethesda

[indigo gulch]

I don't think activision can afford to buy it rn

[unreal ridge]

Sell all the assests to aldian of ancients

[untold geyser]

EA

[indigo gulch]

TENCENT

[normal shuttle]

ME!!!!

[unreal ridge]

No

[indigo gulch]

no

[untold geyser]

bankruptcy 😔

[normal shuttle]

Sell the game to me and I will add quad carch...

and delete dilo

[untold geyser]

GET THIS MAN THE ISLE

[indigo gulch]

basic discord sticker btw

[normal shuttle]

broke

[unreal ridge]

Add tarbosaurus

Trust me bro

[untold geyser]

add nanotyrannus

[normal shuttle]

cuckoo niche tarbosaurus

[normal shuttle]

yes

also nigersaurus to have a medium sized sauropod

[unreal ridge]

Cuckoo niche beipi
Slip the eggs into a theri nest

[untold geyser]

dakotaraptor

[indigo gulch]

a what now?

[unreal ridge]

Just pretend he has dwarfism

[normal shuttle]

medium sized sauropod?

[minor field]

No the guy on Reddit is a better candidate

[unreal ridge]

Ni- jher- saurus

like the country

[indigo gulch]

aaaaaah

cuse the bones were found there I assume?

[minor field]

Yeah

[unreal ridge]

Yuppers

[normal shuttle]

Dondi should start working with Hidetaka Miyazaki

[indigo gulch]

makes sense

[unreal ridge]

Dondi should start working with the day of dragons devs

[indigo gulch]

he's a little busy xD

[normal shuttle]

Dondi should buy Day of Dragons and Beasts of Bermuda

[unreal ridge]

Dondi 1000kg galli please

[normal shuttle]

true

[minor field]

Dondi should buy path of titans

[normal shuttle]

Dondi mach 4 galli pls

[unreal ridge]

Dondi gigantoraptor huge land omnivore please

[indigo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/x-do-not-want-no-nope-penguin-gif-1541816072889835675

[normal shuttle]

I agree

[untold geyser]

then they win.. 😔

[normal shuttle]

and put pot devs to work on Pervatasaurus

for pot ofc

[minor field]

Make the game free and have a battle royale and uhh um idk

[unreal ridge]

it has grapple but it’s more intimate instead of violent

[minor field]

I don’t think anyone wants to animate that

If you want to I mean, go ahead

[normal shuttle]

forces you to nest

[minor field]

[normal shuttle]

and hybrids are born, all loyal to the pervatasaurus

[unreal ridge]

you can struggle to break free before pervertasaurus reaches your inner thigh 😭

[normal shuttle]

creating an army of mixpackers

[unreal ridge]

I feel itchy now I need a shower

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-13148928981517710530

okay enough Perv talk

[unreal ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-bird-trap-bird-trap-bird-cope-gif-9878295031528154539

[minor field]

Pervatasaurus has a critical weak spot in between its legs that will insta kill the thing

[normal shuttle]

now, guys, I need you to comment on an idea I had once

[unreal ridge]

do tell

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback-discussion message

you too Mrs

[unreal ridge]

Pervertasaurus used “you are so mature for your age” and slowly puts the back of its hand on your cheek

This but dinosaur tranquilizers
Eat a bunch of ketamine and trip balls

[normal shuttle]

no

[unreal ridge]

just imagine as a human, you walk in and see a raptor foaming at the mouth on its back trying to claw at the ceiling

[normal shuttle]

kreatine, protein powder and all that

[minor field]

They should do this but have the brands be named after terrible dino puns

[normal shuttle]

since mercs would use it for getting buff and being manly strong jungle dudes

[minor field]

Kreatenontosaurus

That’s how you skirt the product placement allegations

[unreal ridge]

Jurassic strength anabolic steroids

[normal shuttle]

or I also thought about having a human building with a gym where some dinosaurs can work out

and become stronger after a long time

[unreal ridge]

This is how we will make Magy viable

[minor field]

I had a really bad idea that I think has been suggested before which would be to allow dinosaurs to spawn into human bases and either choose to “cooperate” with the humans or choose to break out and escape their base with different benefits for each thing

I think it was pretty bad

[normal shuttle]

stuff like pull up bars

dumbbells

treadmills

[unreal ridge]

The humans can just capture you and fit you with a control collar

[normal shuttle]

a bench for the presses

[unreal ridge]

Like the drone strike quetzal

[minor field]

I imagined that but the control collared player still had some like, agency. And then be given an incentive to cooperate with humans.

I tend to have pretty not great ideas for this game so I don’t post them too often

[minor field]

I feel like I’d be excellent at bait posting, but I don’t want to

[unreal ridge]

You take a nearly dead quetz, remove its frontal lobe and replace it with an antennae

[normal shuttle]

like

Imagine how cool and rewarding it would be to fight for a gym where your omni can do a 80kg bench press 8 reps and 4 sets

[unreal ridge]

It’s a prisoner in its own body

[normal shuttle]

so people both interact with the gym

and also get rewarded

thus creating a hotspot

[unreal ridge]

Add scooby snacks

[minor field]

What about that but music instead.

[normal shuttle]

give dancing emotes to dinosaurs

[minor field]

The dinosaurs and the humans can form a band together and incentivize others to join instead of killing eachother

[normal shuttle]

troodon mating ritual is to start dancing like crazy

breaking its rig too

[minor field]

And the instruments will control like their real life counterparts

This will be playable by using the isle patented flight stick and guitar controller combo, which will also be compatible with path of titans.

[unreal ridge]

The image didn’t send I’m dead

[normal shuttle]

no

bad, pot bad

[unreal ridge]

Yes pot bad

But I want better meat chunks

If I take out your spine

I want to be able to cleanly rip off your backstrap

All the raggedy strands of muscle fiber

Connected to the bones

[dawn hound]

@compact timber #general-feedback message rather better anti cheat

[normal shuttle]

I remember when I once saw someone suggesting that herbis shouldn't be able to do damage to carnivores unless they get hit first

[dawn hound]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-spongebob-patrick-bottlehead-powerpoint-template-gif-27163942

[torn void]

They shouldnt be able to body camp

[dawn hound]

they should be able to protect their young

[torn void]

Ye

I'm just pointing out something correlated that should happen

Body camp is annoying

[dawn hound]

Somebody suggested that there could be flies flying around corpses that would only attacks herbivores

[torn void]

They should get a Nerf for the smell

If they stayed close for too long, they would start vomiting or something.

[green niche]

why not just implement a disease system

[torn void]

Crazy stuff

[torn void]

Thats good
We can also remove stego forever

[torn void]

Im not biased against stego, Trust me

[green niche]

add to the realism, prevent body camping, could use the disease to make ceras bite a bit more realistic (you get a long term infection rather than insta-vomit) and so on

[torn void]

Thats needed

[green niche]

also, infections would allow for completely adult herbivores to be occasionally weakend enough that carnivores can take them out and pick them out from a herd

[torn void]

Yes, thats a great idea

[green niche]

particularly if disease can spread - because then uninfected members of a herd will want the infected individual to keep distance from them

also prevents overpacking, because too many in one area would increase disease risk

(and the same for carnivores, but this would mostly encourage carnivores to not overpack, not mixpack and to pick their fights more cautiously)

[normal shuttle]

Neither should carnivores

If carnis can, so should herbis

[normal shuttle]

So true

Actual eat grass and die moment

[dawn hound]

Is it just me or do others also just randomly vomit out of nothing?

I joined a server where I had a beipy a few updates ago, and it just randomly vomited even tho I have eaten nothing

[indigo gulch]

counterpoint: Gastro

[cursive summit]

add some ddos to ur damn servers, ill be walking with my friend both full cera & dilos watching. Bam, 2000 ping and im getting brutally 🍇 . Fix it

[indigo gulch]

ddos?

also you're in the wrong channel for that. This is to discuss feedback.

not a lot of people will see it here

[woeful latch]

never experienced that, you sure it wasn’t just bad internet?

sometimes server lag happens right after the restart or maybe it was on HT and HT has some performance issues

[dawn hound]

@unreal ridge #general-feedback message JWE2 has really good meatchunks, showing a skin/fat layer when torn out, which makes sence, and actually looks good.

[desert arch]

" 🍇 " 😭

[normal shuttle]

@scenic inlet let’s see if you can guess guess what is wrong with tying a debuff to proximity with other players

[icy lion]

Why talk like that?

Knock it off

[scenic inlet]

yeah i guess the other species can use it as an advantage

but there should be something to discourage mix packing atleast

[normal shuttle]

Okay yeah, I see it. Didn’t intend it to sound like that. Lemme rephrase real quick

Better now I think

Thanks for the heads up

[normal shuttle]

Devs are already working on something actually

But stress and stuff like that just wouldn’t work since it could be either a weapon for mixpackers themselves or cause so much collateral damage due to griefers

[scenic inlet]

oh ok

[normal shuttle]

We don’t know what

But they are aware and will do something that doesn’t cause copious amounts of harm to everyone else

[stark spade]

#general-feedback message
Since this idea has gotten rather negative Feedback, i must say that i am curious what about it you dont like, so please give me some Feedback

[normal shuttle]

because proximity debuff

[stark spade]

Thanks for the Feedback, but isnt mixpacking something we wanna avoid ? Or is it just me ?

[normal shuttle]

yes, but I would rather avoid collateral damage

or mixpackers themselves exploiting stuff like that

debuffs when you are close with another species isn't the only way you can address this

plus the devs already are planning something they didn't tell us, so at this point suggesting anything about it is kinda pointless imo

[stark spade]

I see, well im not totally up up to date about that, thanks for telling me tho

Asside from the mixpack idea, is the idea of Paranoia good tho ?

[ancient kestrel]

To be fair would be nice if creatures will automatically growl if other species in their proximity

[thick summit]

that'd make ambushing almost impossible

[stark spade]

That would make ambushing really hard tho as your dino would just growl if it gets close

[thick summit]

if not impossible

[ancient kestrel]

Make it not work if crouch - simple

[faint folio]

Yes, we want to avoid mix packing, but there's multiple issues with proximity debuffs. For example, as a solo juvenile carnivore, a lot of times you go to hotspots for food. While growing, you hide nearby. Last time I grew Utah, I was hiding in a bush growing, and a group of adult carnos came close enough that I could hear their F calls while they were chatting extremely clearly. They stayed there for a while just hanging out, and eventually I snuck away. They didn't know I was there, so I was safe. But imagine if I had gotten a proximity debuff and started biting or making noise? They would immediately know I was there and come to kill me. Same if there was a stat debuff and someone noticed the status effect in their menu. Debuffs give away stealth for animals that are in close proximity, but not actually mixpacking

[thick summit]

still

in the isle you have to and should rely on yourself

do you feel like you're being watchedd? run.

[faint folio]

Not all animals have crouches, for one. Second, not everyone crouches when they're hiding. It's fairly common to sit or even trot, depending on what your cover is and how fast you need to maneuver to set up an ambush (or hide)

[ancient kestrel]

Bruh

[urban flax]

Then you're succesfully doing nothing against mixpacking

[stark spade]

I see, thank you for the feedback

[normal shuttle]

also rex gets benefit from crouching

crouch overpack rexes like in legacy!!!

[faint folio]

The automatic making noise thing is a part of cera's kit, and chuffing causes problems for particularly juvenile ceras as well. Some other dino nearby just killed something? Congrats, you just announced your position to the player that just killed something because now you're chuffing

[stark spade]

Clearly isnt that Bad (at least for cera) since 50% of most server Populations are still ceras

[thick summit]

#general-feedback message

1. deino is supposed to be a pain to grow as it is an apex
2. It doesn't have to be a cheater just because they killed you
3. The mods can't take any action without any proof

[olive bolt]

Bro used
1: common sense

2: common sense

3: common sense

[faint folio]

I remember some tweaks to cera chuffing... I'm not sure if juvi ceras still chuff automatically or if that was removed?

[thick summit]

🔥

[stark spade]

Idk, didnt play it recently, only know that subadults start doing it automatically, never saw a baby do it

[olive bolt]

Do you think my suggestion will be downvoted into the ground for roster bloat?

I have one saved i could send

[faint folio]

Yeah so they patched that for babies because it was not good

When they first introduced cera even the babies chuffed

[thick summit]

"how are people not agreeing" because it's misinformation 😭

[icy lion]

Being unable to regrow someone doesn't mean the hacker wasn't banned

[thick summit]

that is also true

[stark spade]

Send it pls

[faint folio]

Going back to your suggestion though... I'm pretty sure that paranoia is an official mechanic for the Galli, fyi. The thought being as a flight animal designed to run away, they're more than a little spooky (just like horses). Mechanically, the Galli hears a lot more foliage noises than other animals that makes it seem like other players are nearby when they aren't

[olive bolt]

I cant for 5 hours but I'll dm you it

[stark spade]

Thanks

[stark spade]

Really ? Thats acctually interesting to know, i still think some herbivores and esspeacilly humans should get Paranoia

[normal shuttle]

it is but I wish it was more exaggerated

as a galli main you just get used to it because it is just an occasional sound of twig snapping or some bush moving when players in movement keep the sound going

[faint folio]

Agreed. It's currently not that dramatic and not hard to tell what is players vs background paranoia

[normal shuttle]

I need to make a suggestion about it tomorrow

galli my beloved

[faint folio]

What about galli also getting occasional random footfall noises as well as twigs snapping? And obviously should be at least short rays of noise that seem to move in a line, like a player would

Feet running would absolutely feel like paranoia and get the players attention

[normal shuttle]

I wanted to suggest stuff like noise muffling or even a heartbeat sound a certain hours of the day or night (so their transitions) to emphasize fear of the dark, and also having a much more extense library of sounds like footsteps of various animals approaching or even the sound a charging carno or a herra moving in the trees

stuff like that, constantly forcing you to look around and know you CANNOT trust your hearing

[faint folio]

That would be absolutely awesome

[stark spade]

And when we were already talking about Paranoia, ive Played a lot on these Auto grow tp Servers, and when i spawn in i still hear some 1 calls, even tho the closest dino is at the teleported zone killometers away, so are those Auto Played or did i just hear very far ?

[light mulch]

Define “Action”. I have proof from last night and zero admins or mods have said a word to me. Stop it. They dont care

[thick summit]

they are volunteers... give them some time

[light mulch]

👎

[thick summit]

[normal shuttle]

@frosty estuary no.

Ptera isn't meant to do that and we don't need yet another pouncer but this time marginally smaller than troodon and winged

also no please

no more talk about ptera snatching things with its feet

they literally couldn't do that and you can clearly tell by looking at them in game or a skeletal reconstruction

it makes as much sense as seeing a horse doing a handstand and standing upside down

[frosty estuary]

ure just hating

[normal shuttle]

true

[stark spade]

Wouldnt make much sense since Ptranodon is very light and wouldnt be able to fly if it was just a few kg heavier

[frosty estuary]

its just a game and they are meant to do things that arent possible in real life

[light mulch]

yeah like fix hacker issue. Not possible keep dreaming

[thick summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1190479571762548807/1344147426247704656/QUIT_HAVING_FUN.gif

[normal shuttle]

so true

[dawn hound]

the one behind the chair might aswell be pot players

not saying pot is bad, but golly i cant stand most of their community

[gritty heart]

No the one behind the chair is the average isle player, just read the average discord message smh

[dawn hound]

no its a pot player, cuz they always be like ''nieh nieh nieh, the devs of the isle are evil! they commit bad stuf!! you support bad guys!! dont play that game, go play path of titans, cuz its the good guys!!''

[gritty heart]

So they say the same things as every other isle player

Anyways, that’s nothing unique, it happens in every vaguely similar “rival” community. Same thing occurs in WoT vs Warthunder etc.

[dawn hound]

Its different

some pot players might be chill, but some are legit just playing the game cuz they always say: ''The isle devs are super bad!! They do bad stuff!! The path devs are really good and cool because theyre good guys!!'' Since, y know, the coder of legacy is now the owner of pot

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-spongebob-patrick-bottlehead-powerpoint-template-gif-27163942

[normal shuttle]

a considerable handful are angy former isle fans

[dawn hound]

legacy players?

[light mulch]

Talking like this game isnt infested with hackers and the devs dont give a f

[icy lion]

Do not spread misinformation. The recent hotfixes for the game were to address hackers

[light mulch]

So what about the players affected by hackers?

“Sorry not sorry?”

[icy lion]

I'm not sure what you mean

[light mulch]

Of course you don’t.

You’re talking to one right now and you literally could care less. 100’s of deaths yesterday reported due to hackers and nothing is done. Stop lying to your community saying something is being done

[icy lion]

Hackers are banned daily, even if you don't believe so. Unfortunately given that we're all volunteers, there are timezones in which our availability is low. We're always looking for more admins, especially to fill those tomezone gaps

[light mulch]

I’m not unaware that hackers are banned and caught daily. Why even have a report mechanic in the first place? You report/and record the incident and it changes nothing. My 8hrs on a croc go down the drain because some cheater decided to boot up the game 5 minutes ago. I love this game man. But the fact that I cant even find reason to press play anymore cause I’ll just lose all my progress to a hacker is disgusting. The fact that nothing is done about that pisses me off. Sorry for all this it really is just frustrating. I just want to play the game.

Not only did I lose 8 hours on a croc to a baby carno hacker who booted the game 5 minutes ago, I record it report it and what do I get for buying your game and playing it fairly? Jack 💩

stop lying to the community

[gritty heart]

Imma be real, I know they exist but I haven’t been personally plagued by them. Might depend on the server though

[light mulch]

It is what it is. Like I said I would love to go again. But I spent my entire off day bringing a croc to West Rail Access (if you know deino you know that is the hardest journey for a croc) just to lose it to a baby carno in one bite. Nah. Im done

But alas, they dont really care about the players affected. Just the hackers getting booted. (who will pay $3 on a new steam account and come back) Who cares if the player affected never returns to the game? They already paid for it

[urban flax]

I'm sorry to inform you that the past cannot be reverted

[gritty heart]

Another fiend rejected from west rail access

[light mulch]

Bro its so sad lmao

[light mulch]

West Rail is like heaven for Deinos It genuinely felt like I died and went to heaven and then god said “no” and just teleported me back to like…an Arby’s or something

[normal shuttle]

I was trying to be nice

[gritty heart]

I prefer raw west rail to access, but access is nicer for Deinos for sure, more of a hotspot

[normal shuttle]

But it just feels like you’re spilling a substantial amount of gamer rage over this and trying to project your frustrations for an unwarranted death for ONE VIRTUAL DINOSAUR anywhere else

Devs are trying their best and do care

[light mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/conceited-face-sure-are-you-gif-10107755

[normal shuttle]

I guess you started believing that right after it affected you personally

[lilac bolt]

if they didn't care they wouldn't try anything at all but they are we know they are.

[light mulch]

"I can't belive you're spilling so much gamer rage over a little hacker.. take it like a man. Don't complain."

Cause I can sit here and type all day about all the good Evrima has but I can't complain about the one thing they fail to do.

[normal shuttle]

*”Dont bash the devs and say they are doing nothing when they literally have been working on that and releasing anti cheat hotfixes, as well as saying multiple times they know the issue and want to address it”

And all because YOU lost a croc. Now they are doing nothing about it and they have fallen and will rot

That is how you sound

[covert tiger]

@thick ivy I've seen all sorts of posts on this channel but yours has shocked me to my core
Dilo is the most ridiculously overpowered and strongest carnivore in the game right now and needs a massive nerf
Either you are trolling/baiting or we don't play the same game

[normal shuttle]

Based Esbi

Although he’s talking about the turn b it honestly dilo needs no breathing room

Deserves no mercy

[covert tiger]

I'm more than happy with a turn buff if they reduce its hp to 440

[woven bane]

lmao

[normal shuttle]

So omni

[woven bane]

just enough for an omni to pin it

[normal shuttle]

But dealing over 1k damage for one bite

[normal shuttle]

Deserved on dilos actually

[covert tiger]

Yes I chose that number specifically for the lols

I'm trynna make a point

[gritty heart]

They probably play main branch

[woven bane]

funny coincidence that you as an omni main want it to be just below the pin threshold

[gritty heart]

Unless the also “fixed” the venom there finally

[normal shuttle]

I don’t care what metta says about “people just want to play the night dinosaur”. If you play dilo you are just a scrub and a meta slave

That’s all that needs to be said

[thick summit]

nerf everything's weight to 449kg

[gritty heart]

I played dilo in legacy, dilo with bad venom, dilo with good venom.

I’d even play it if he looked like this dude

[covert tiger]

They 'fixed' the venom on evrima yes but it's not really fixed
Clones are invisible, do instant damage and are spammable
It's free 1k+ dmg at no cost or risk

[thick summit]

I play dilo every now and then but that's because I like the animal

[normal shuttle]

Built like the new Marvel Rivals character

[light mulch]

I wasn't the only one complaining about dying to hackers last night. or every night for that matter. You wanna sit here and tell the comunity the devs are doing a great job against hackers be my guest. If you wanna clown me cause im complaing about losing "just one" croc to a hacker that's completely fine with me. But if you're just gonna let hacker victims "deal with it" you really can't say you care....

[gritty heart]

That’s why I said “fixed” yeah. Now it functions but is broken in the op sense

Personally I’d prefer if the venom was capped and hallucinations separate

[thick summit]

but it's awful to play against dilos

[gritty heart]

Emma Frost. I wonder how many people actually remember her from First Class

[covert tiger]

Agreed
Venom should last much shorter, can do constant ticks of like 10 dmg for its duration
And the clones should be purely for distraction

[thick summit]

the current venom could work

[gritty heart]

Yeah. High damage clones means you need to be able to counter them. But being able to counter them means people want to attack the clones, which means they don’t really distract for you to jump in.

Capping the venom would also mean more people can’t stack their venom damage (or not by much), and would all have to be active

[thick summit]

if the dilo has to refresh it every 10-30 seconds

[normal shuttle]

I do care, but you can be civil about it and acknowledge that this issue is hard to solve. Instead of proclaiming that devs are doing nothing just because you went through that even though that hacker could probably be banned already.

I am just kindly asking you to show some respect towards people’s work and understanding that things cannot just be fixed with a finger snap

[gritty heart]

Plus, I feel it would make more sense for the venom to deal damage passive, instead of being a weird mechanic where the dilo can activate it like a placed charge

[light mulch]

I don't think I ever said anything about the hacker not being banned already. My main issue is the fact that nothing is done about the time invested to the victims of hackers especially ones with CLEAR proof on videos/streams etc... i promise you if I was a big streamer or a youtuber i'd have one of the admins in my dm's offering me a free regrow in West Rail

[normal shuttle]

Nope

Bigger content creators of the isle die to hackers and it is what it is. They know that the best they can do is keep playing and that it really isn’t that big of a deal to lose even an apex

[gritty heart]

The big YouTubers just go and grow another. Death comes eventually, even if it’s a cheater

[normal shuttle]

It sucks in the moment. But it is inconsequential in life

[gritty heart]

Plus, it gives them more content

[normal shuttle]

Posts like these are just cringe. Shows so little understanding or just pure impulsiveness to one’s frustrations, as you have apparently convinced yourself that nothing has been done about it (even though you are not an official admin, and the announcements with anti hacker hotfixes have been shown) and that things will remain like this forever

I wanted to be nice but bashing volunteers and developers for something they are struggling to fix is just not it

That is flat out insulting. It’s like blaming the medics because they cannot save a patient in a tough situation (clear analogy, not the same gravity)

They are trying (or tried in the analogy)

[light mulch]

Again... hackers are an issue in every game. It's how it's (the victim's side) handled.

[gritty heart]

In most cases you don’t get much back from hackers unless it is really really long term stuff. Usually you just die like in the isle

[normal shuttle]

Mhm

Not even players of many ranked games on professional elo get their points back

So it ain’t different in a game like this especially without elders, where death matters nothing

[light mulch]

Don't get me wrong. We're on the same side. I despise hackers. The fact that absoolutely nothing can be done about a character with over 8hours invested.. like nothing? really? that's just prepostorous to me

[normal shuttle]

Because you can grow very much anything except for deino in 3 hours or less

[stark spade]

On what servers do you guys play ? On my 150 hours of the isle ive never once met an hacker or cheater

[normal shuttle]

I play mostly officials and I’ve only came across two in +700 hours

[lilac bolt]

I thought you can get a regrow if you die to a hacker?

[normal shuttle]

It’s also their policy to not be unfair as they cannot cover everything and they might also need proof

And well, as I said, it’s very common in many games to not give things back since it would be a slog. And in the isle this is further accentuated because even losing a deino isn’t that big of a deal. Death is right around the corner at every moment

[light mulch]

They also said the moon landing was fake

[normal shuttle]

Nope, it’s just punch that he sometimes gives when he bans hackers afaik…And I did get one even though I never reported nor requested

[icy lion]

Generally speaking, admins can only offer regrows if they were able to witness the death

[covert tiger]

It's not nearly as common as the reports make it seem.
Most ppl only encounter one hacker approx every 200-300 hours or so, per my own experience and observation

[lilac bolt]

ah ok

[normal shuttle]

I thought I had died fairly but turns out that wasn’t the case and I did get a regrow. Lost the carno 2 hours later though, just to show you how it really doesn’t matter

[covert tiger]

#general-feedback message

I guess maybe people just like taking advantage of a broken OP skill-less dinosaur for as long as they can, which is a little sad

[normal shuttle]

You also have to enjoy the journey in the isle because that is usually your longest time alive with a dinosaur

No, it’s just that I am not a big fan of unavoidable damage like that either

Not necessarily because it can be overpowered (which…isn’t really?) but also because it feels uninteresting personally

Hallucination dilo is thematically cool despite being no skill and annoying as hell

[icy lion]

I don't think dilo's venom is fine, I just don't think your idea is a good one

[normal shuttle]

But this…eh

[gritty heart]

Only time I got a hacker regrow was like back in legacy, and that wasn’t even on an official Iirc. It was some community server I think (but it’s been like over 5 years so idk much)

[normal shuttle]

I would rather have some interesting thing for venom rather than pure dot for a while and only 1 minute of sensory disruption

[covert tiger]

I don't think my idea is the best either
But anything is better than it's current state

It's rare that I genuinely feel sad about something in a video game
But dilo is one of those few things cause of how beautiful it could be

[normal shuttle]

I would disable dilo honestly and give it a proper fix or rework

It’s just ass rn. Also uninteresting

You wanna stalk at night? Play troodon instead

[light mulch]

@icy lion @normal shuttle I apologize if I insulted or portrayed anything negative towards the work. Dying to hackers I think is by far the most frustrating thing i've encountered in this game. I may have said somethings in a mean wwording and I apologize for that. My point still stands. It sucks.

[normal shuttle]

And we understand that, at least I do since I want to put no words in Lunary’s mouth

But you gotta accept that sometimes it is going to happen and that it is not that deep

Thank you for that

[acoustic spruce]

@dawn hound nooo I actually really like hatching out of the egg manually !! Making it automatic would kill the experience

[pliant elm]

How you look at something that can kill a dibble with 3 bites and clone spam and not call it is op?

[icy lion]

Did you read the message you replied to?

[pliant elm]

I was sure there was an "op" instead of "fine"...

[stark spade]

#general-feedback message
the idea is creative, and would fit in the game very well, however the only Thing that would currently be affected by that would be omni, i wont include allo in this since it isnt out yet. But Omni is already weak in my humble opinion, and i dont think that omni needs a debuff like that since it couldnt kill a diablo right now anyways.

[bronze matrix]

but you could also turn this around and say that the omnis ability to pounce places that cannot be reached by the horns and its ability to change pounce spots would give it an edge over bigger pouncers like allo that would always be affected by the horns

[thick summit]

and it shouldn't

Omni is NOT weak..its entire stamina does 1k damage

2 omnis shred through a carno's or cera's health

[stark spade]

Yea it makes sense, but it would make omnis one good ability weaker

[stark spade]

Which is not enough to kill a carno, teno, cera, litreally anything over a dilo, and normally my mates arent as good to survive and do damage that long

[thick summit]

2 raptors can just use their damage pounce and whatever they're pouncing dies

Bucking doesn't really help either as it harms you more than it harms raptors

There are three counters though: tree/rock, water and mud

[stark spade]

I guess i just thought omnis to be very weak from my own experience with it, my bad

[thick summit]

A lot of omnis don't really know how some mechanics work

[unreal ridge]

yeah i chose diablo as a specific example because while yes this ability would be strong
omni really only needs 3 damage pounces to kill a diablo, and throw in some bites
the 3 remaining pounce slots on diablo's rear provide the opportunity to kill diablo

[thick summit]

So I don't really blame you

[unreal ridge]

however the front 3 slots are now more dangerous as diablo has the ability to retaliate, however if you really wanted to bring him down, you could pounce there

[thick summit]

The thing with dibble is that it can just block pieces without having to worry about a tap pounce

[unreal ridge]

some creatures are obviously going be better or worse at offensively bucking and thats just due to physiology

you cant throw someone off if you cant reach them

and it would incentivize omniraptor packs to go for prey that cannot retaliate as easily, while still having the options to bring down prey that can retaliate just more carefully

[thick summit]

I think bucking would be better if it were a mini game rather than rgn

[unreal ridge]

i personally would like to see it need to be taken into a person's own hands
because what happens (to me idk about you) is that I buck off a raptor, he does a little shimmy and relatches immediately

if i can send the message that im actually doing something without nerfing pounce, simply just buffing prey's ability to deal with raptors
i think id take that deal

[thick summit]

Yeah

Currently the only counter is to camp the environment or to be a dibble

Or a carno

[unreal ridge]

this would also make pins more rewarding as omni
when prey is totally exhausted and can barely do anything, now they are at your complete mercy
but for the prey's side its become "well i cant do anything anymore bro" but with these changes it will be "ive done all i can, my time has come" or something

again this is just my personal bias, i like having the control of what happens to me, if im terrible at it and i die i cant really be mad since i had the option to defend myself

[unreal ridge]

another thing i wanted to incorporate but couldnt was actually utilizing the environment
instead of just throwing omni completely off, running into things at higher speeds will deal damage to omni

I mentioned with the hadrosaur part, something like maia, if you were on it's shoulder and it did a shoulder bash directly into a wall
i dont see a world where omni just lightly gets off and can scamper away

you have the ability to move and dismount on prey as you choose, you gotta use a little forethought

[thick summit]

Yeah

[unreal ridge]

to rectify these damages to omni I would buff the PIN damage (group pin not solo) just to make actually working together even more rewarding
you beat the odds, your prey is exhausted and has thrown everything it can at you
now you all gotta come together and tackle it to the ground

i see a lot of brainless omni's get away with too much

[stark spade]

Thats pretty much the problem i have as well, most omni players are really bad, like really really bad, thats probably why i got the Implication omni is bad, omni is a playable that is very much relieable of teammates, which can be an issue sometimes, as most omni players i ever played with died 1 minute into a fight.

Not to Flame any players of course

[unreal ridge]

the way I see it is people use omni's pounce wrong currently
speaking from personal experience when you don't have the coordination omni does fall apart

ive started using the pounce as an exiting attack instead of my opener and its changed my success a lot

a lot of players open with the pounce to get a lot of damage/bleed but end up exhausting themselves early

the idea is that you use your superior speed, agility, and z axis mobility to zig zag dodge and bite the crap out of whatever you hunt until he is tired and you are still at 80% stamina

once they are tired and conserving themselves more, thats when you rally your pack and attempt to pin them

sure omni's damage pounce does 1k damage but how reliable is that when you are a sitting duck afterwards

[thick summit]

Omni is really good in the right hands

[unreal ridge]

omni and troodon have the potential to be the most lethal in the game

[stark spade]

That would be a good idea, just that it takes a lot of skill, and bites of omni does no damage at all, and its tail hit Box is massive

Not saying you shouldnt need skill

[thick summit]

But if I've pack mates that accidentally pin me, I actually get off the game

[unreal ridge]

i would practice on maias
since omni can hit maia's tail hitbox, just keep biting the tail making him use his alt attacks and drain his stamina

[stark spade]

Real

[unreal ridge]

get a feel for the dinosaur

[stark spade]

Alright, thanks for the advice acctually

[unreal ridge]

i play a lot of troodon, you gotta enter that flow state to not get eviscerated

if you struggle with omni i would also learn and play a lot of troodon

its like raptor but you have less room for error, it makes you better at realizing your fragility

then once you feel ready, omni's bulk and extra damage feels like a reward

[unreal ridge]

np man

[dim pagoda]

I feel like a fully grown ptera should do a little more damage, 20 is a little too low maybe between 50-100 and would be better... p.s. a Ptera can ALT attack from the ground... defeats the whole purpose of being a flyer considering you can get 1 hit by 98% of 20% grown dinos... please change it so we have ant ALT attack whilst flying

please consider these

[woeful latch]

no..

[stark spade]

I know im a bit late here, but wont ptera get an update soon that will make it more reliable on Land?

[normal shuttle]

why should ptera be able to kill fg herras in 2-4 pecks?

that is so laughably overtuned

[normal shuttle]

yes

getting reworked

[supple spoke]

give ptera an ac130 loadout, 105mm & 40mm cannons and let frogs and fish refill ammo as well

[junior nymph]

thats asking for pteras to just kill everything

[supple spoke]

laser guided missile system

[dim pagoda]

you guys do realise a ptera has got to hit like 100 times in order to get a kill.. im just asking to drop that figure to below 40

[junior nymph]

they used to have that

[supple spoke]

a ptera is like an oversized heron, its not exactly designed to kill anything that it can't swallow whole

[junior nymph]

it was OP

that means a ptera with a brain can kill anything quite quickly

[dim pagoda]

damn I caused a ruckus

I tend to get 15 hits in before I die but it just aint enough

[supple spoke]

it will probably be able to kill humans in a few taps, but realistically a pteranodon in real life probably wouldnt even be able to kill you unless it hits vital zones like throat or eyes

& nah m8 youre not causing a ruckus, its just a chat

[dim pagoda]

i feel like hes really underpowered

compared to every other dino just cause he can fly

[junior nymph]

not for something that can be grown in under a hour

[junior nymph]

yes. that is exactly why people cant hit a good ptera

buff damage you would be seeing pteras killing stegos

[dim pagoda]

I would consider myself in one of the better ptera players, dno about ptera v ptera im not a dick to attack my own kind but ive taken down all sorts

its just so long and tedious

not to toot my own horn but i would say im top 5%

[junior nymph]

ive taken down ceras as ptera before it just takes time

[junior nymph]

no. if you are asking for a buff and dying after 15 bites you are not top 5%

[dim pagoda]

is that a challenge?

hehe

[junior nymph]

I mean

[supple spoke]

none of that matters really

would a heron kill a bear?

probably not

[junior nymph]

im in australia so ping issue

[dim pagoda]

Ive killed deinos, carnos all sorts just not a steggo yet

the spikes have some awkward hitboxes

[supple spoke]

everything but teno has awkward hitboxes imo

[dim pagoda]

I mean if you guys are good with ptera lets party up 1 day, I always join up with randoms ingame but they die within the first 2 mins 😦

and I usually die when im attacking 6 dinos as a solo cause why not Ptera is gangster

[supple spoke]

also im generally against cannibalism (unless deino or cera, in which i encourage it since i don't play either of them 🤣), but if you find another ptera with a death wish you should challenge them to a 1v1

ive got to watch them a few times and they're actually hilarious to watch, even tho it is a stamina battle most of the time

prolly the most fun u can have as a ptera imo

[dim pagoda]

yeah my main focus as a ptera is speed, i pick up both nocturnal and the daylight one then run stam 6-8 times for reduces stam usage mutation

the slow food is junk and if im going down to eat might aswell drink

[supple spoke]

i only pick up QOL mutations on ptera

usually salt water and then whatever food/water ones i feel like

[dim pagoda]

speed is QOL

that salt water does open up nice plays but not having frogs and stuff on islands messes it up

unless they added them 👀

[supple spoke]

there needs to be some more saltwater stuff

i dont think frogs are really built for that lmao

[dim pagoda]

we definitely need more AI imo

[supple spoke]

but hopefully we get some chill ai whenever the aquatic update comes along

[dim pagoda]

been on this game for a while and only seen turtles once im life

[supple spoke]

they need to make the turtles swim already so deinos can enjoy them

[dim pagoda]

dont say that! Deinos already steal my frogs when they swim

[supple spoke]

lool itd give more spots for them to spawn tho

i only ever see them on the western coastline

[dim pagoda]

for my it was south of water access before swamp

[supple spoke]

yup

thats the spot, only place i see tacos too

[zealous violet]

Ahhhh okay that makes a lot of sense, actually. For humans tho, I can see it.

[wooden agate]

@soft bane #general-feedback message they already have them

[junior nymph]

lol

[heady geode]

@dim raptor peak map design, I crave more delta plains, the top fork plains is the best looking spot on the map and yet doesn’t even have an mz, only thing that would need to be kept is a water connection from swamp to delta that isn’t ocean

Because swamp Blows, and the first thing you do when spawning there is Leave, without a river connection you gotta wade the water that dehydrates you

[dim raptor]

thanks mate yea i agree with you!!

[urban flax]

@normal shuttle PoT mentioned
I'm downvoting this

[normal shuttle]

😔 your hate towards pot is admirable, although a little too strong

[urban flax]

It's not hate towards pot
I was just looking for an excuse to downvote your post

[covert tiger]

@gentle rampart I 100% agree
In the meantime, we do have a third party site with all this info
quickevrimaguide

[grave iris]

#general-feedback message @vivid mason tbh playing dryo in general is a death sentence

[vivid mason]

no it isnt lol

dryo is one of the most viable species in the game

[grave iris]

i dont think we are playing the same dryo

i got to FG as dryo only to die by a single bite of a dilo

[vivid mason]

thats not possible lol

unless it was a headshot

[blissful oasis]

nerf dryo is crazy, let it keep the broken hit box. he needs this

[vivid mason]

and if you had congenital hypoalgesia you could survive a dilo headshot

[vivid mason]

honestly, if the side bites were changed to a side kick it would be more a buff than anything

[grave iris]

then you just die to clones 🤷‍♂️

[blissful oasis]

yesir

[vivid mason]

also wdym?

its easily one of the most viable species in the game- it has the best agility in the game, omni level nv which is best out of all the herbivores and omnivores, its fast and impossible to catch by everything but one carnivore, and its just.. really viable

[vivid mason]

you can stall out the venom long enough

youre faster than the clones

people actually think dryo is not viable? 😭

[normal shuttle]

@vivid mason you spoke facts. That bite sucks so much whenever I play dryo and I get that stupid thing instead of the kick which is actually good to destroy juvis

[vivid mason]

seriously its SO annoying

[normal shuttle]

Killed me when fighting a 300kg cera or so

When I was pummeling it

[normal shuttle]

eat grass and die?

[grave iris]

yah

[gentle rampart]

i know, i’m a manager there

[blissful oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/the-talk-tuah-podcast-family-guy-hey-peter-talk-tuah-hawk-tuah-gif-16513162795526546223

[normal shuttle]

that's bad

[red kettle]

so i spawned into this trunk

and cant move

[icy lion]

Try using /unstuck

[red kettle]

after waiting long enough i got unstuck by just growing i guess

[signal wyvern]

We need bigger fish, the only real option when there are no land creatures are other crocs. When there are no crocs, well guess what either you log off or starve. The fish probably will keep you from the brink of starvation if they spawn that is.

Also worth mentioning that with right muts and certain dinosaurs basically almost never need to drink, and there are safe spots that make ambushes not viable. There is no consistent food source as a FG croc, you just need to log off which is kind of lame gameplay.

[normal shuttle]

We need a deino rework tbh

[normal shuttle]

@vital badge

1. why should stego’s and dibble’s damage values be nerfed when A, dibble has one of the lowest damage values in the game on its attacks in a damage to total health ratio and stego is meant to be the glass cannon of the apexes?

2. Realism doesn’t have much of a say (not at all) in this game, it is all tied to intended niches and roles for each playable

3. Why should deino get fractures from a gameplay and balancing perspective?

@compact sequoia stego already has one of if not the highest bleed output in the game and the only thing that comes close is trike in absolute and relative (relatively herra and beipi are up there too). It really doesn’t need that with its current kit

And similarly to the one above, why give fracture and bruiser properties to deino when it really isn’t meant to be doing that?

[woeful latch]

meow

[cobalt cipher]

meow

[compact sequoia]

bone crush ability makes sense as deinosucus technical has the highest bite force.....also it can use it to hunt rex trike stego which it cant grab etc

[normal shuttle]

Realism doesn’t have much of a say (not at all) in this game, it is all tied to intended niches and roles for each playable

As for the second part, does it really need to fracture rexes and trikes (while rex very likely wont be able to do that)? It could also target younger ones or striking one as it crosses the water. But things up until a certain size should plainly be an uphill battle for the gator due to fairness reasons

Imagine being a 7 ton trike drinking peacefully and then you see a deino approaching but you don’t have enough time to simply recoil (unlike most things that Deino can snatch rn) and you get a head or leg fracture as well as massive damage

Doesn’t sound very fair to put things that literally cannot react in time in the menu

[modest dock]

Also, i also thought deinosuchus got a very higher bite force than rex but after some interesting discussions here with some people that argued and pointed to me that deinosuchus bite force estimation was most likely wrong due to it being calculated over a modern crocodile skull but oversized to the size of a deinosuvhus skull, which is not a proper way to estimate a bite force since many factors are not taken in that math such as skull shape, deinosuchus had probably a very high bite force but it could have been not very stronger than rex bite force. Now talking about game balance, deinosuchus isn't supposed to hunt on land, simply is supposed to drag and clamp its victims under water, thats it, its not supposed to hunt a drinking fg rex or trike, it can hurt them to defend or surely hurt but not hunt

#general-feedback-discussion message

Here

[normal shuttle]

And even then

Gameplay matters

If you give deino something to obliterate larger animals, who cannot really react in time to avoid a croc as it is right now, then if is super unfair to them and more punishing since they have been growing for a longer time than a cera or dibble

@karmic yacht Shadow nerfing dilo

[compact sequoia]

i understand that people want balanced gameplay plus trex fans want trex to be the most powerful dino to ever exist. But the thing is deinosucus is and will be the ultimate apex in history as a carnivorous amphibian except for large sauropods or marine creatures.

it is built as a tank and it was repeatedly given the highest bitforce estimated in different calculations.

It's not meant to eat fish and medium dinos.....it can hunt large dinos like trex ,trike , stego etc by injuring them severely with its bite.

[quartz summit]

@hearty horizon They already can

[hearty horizon]

o they can i didnt think we could even land on top of them

[quartz summit]

no no every tree in the game has collision 😄

[hearty horizon]

yea but i didnt think there was room to land and put a nest down

[thick summit]

AMPHIBIAN?????????????????

😭

also, you can't balance a crocodilian of this size if it can hunt larger animals

[normal shuttle]

I seriously do not want to be mean or anything but literally: no one in the dev team cares in the slighest.

If they want to give deino a certain role, it will have it regardless of accuracy. Because gameplay and balancing is what comes first AND realism is secondary

hence why carno is not 2 tons now

or why dibble is oversized to not overlap with ava in the slighest and have the role of a medium sized ceratopsian

[hearty horizon]

im sure once they add more apexes they will beef them up a bit anyways to fit the balance of the game

[thick summit]

that's not deinos niche though

[normal shuttle]

and I was telling you above: how can this ability be fair at all? Larger animals are slower, so if you just slapped fracture and massive damage to deino then things like stego and trike would be forced into using safe spots forever and guess what, deino gets even less interaction

[thick summit]

not to mention that a realistic deinosuchus would be busted

@vital badge You do realise that the largest deinosuchus specimens are around 12-13t

[normal shuttle]

not really necessary because playables are already balanced accounting for the future

[thick summit]

and do NOT nerf the damage of dibble and stego

[normal shuttle]

also two suggestions in a row suggesting fractures to deino is wild

[thick summit]

yk what, buff it

[thick summit]

I love Deinosuchus...but...HELL NAH

I know how busted Deinosuchus is and I do NOT want an accurate deinosuchus

only trike, sauropods and small stuff would survive deinos

[normal shuttle]

Troodon damage to health ratio: 25%
Stego damage to health ratio: over 25%
Herra damage to health ratio: 17%
Carno damage to health ratio: 11%

Dibble damage to health ratio: 9% and it is meant to be a brawler 💀

[normal shuttle]

I want a reworked deino because rn it is awful in every way

[thick summit]

50% for dibble would be peak

make cera mains cry

[normal shuttle]

1500dmg attack? hell nah

[thick summit]

hell yeah

nah, just increase it to 350

enough damage to make a grown cera cry

[normal shuttle]

350 on a basic attack is...maybe that for the sparring one

or well

nah, 350 seems not too bad really

considering it is a dibble

[hearty horizon]

honestly yea the way people aviod the water makes playing a croc feel like a all croc pvp

[thick summit]

not like it can catch stuff

[normal shuttle]

Deino is just a mess really

to me it is all a nice cover and nothing else

[hearty horizon]

i love the idea but yea over hyped

[echo kayak]

#general-feedback message

[normal shuttle]

even in spiro it was the same really

From the prey's perspective: you either gamble with your life whenever you go for a drink since there is no way you can see or hear them and water physics barely help, or you go into a shallow area to completely negate this apex predator with something as simple and unfair to your ambusher as drinking behind a log or rock

From the croc's perspective: it is all a gamble from the moment you spawn, hoping for fish to be plentiful and are at the mercy of other deinos, as they can swim, run and walk you down even when they are 6 tons heavier. Then you just pray for people to be either completely new or desperate because you have zero agency over what you can eat AND safe spots are unfair to you, and the most exhilarating moments of your gameplay are running up to someone and pressing rmb once

good idea, TERRIBLE execution

[hearty horizon]

most safe spots are pretty close to not being safe as well and will most likely become heavly hunted land pred areas and force people to take the risk in other places

[ancient kestrel]

You overexagurating safespot problem. I was getting grabbed even on supposed safe spots few times

It's especially more prominent on HT where every dino have a delay when stop drinking

[hearty horizon]

what is HT?

[ancient kestrel]

Horde Test - public testing branch

[hearty horizon]

o ok

[grave iris]

people here think dibbles need more dmg???

[spiral plank]

i hope tf not

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah because it actually have bad damage to weight ratio

Eve tho it's may be left as is since dibble can face tank things

[normal shuttle]

Yes

[grave iris]

lmao

[normal shuttle]

Its gonna need it with sub rex and allo

Damage of ceratopsians in this game is rather ineffectual

And it only feels significant because the main predator they have rn is a 1300kg animal

[grave iris]

im not talking abut the cera

im talking about not wanting dibble to one shot a FG omni

or dilo

[normal shuttle]

With a headshot, it doesn’t feel too bad

You could tone down the knockdown and it would be fine

So maybe they have to pick up momentum for maximum knockdown

[grave iris]

with such a hitbox that it has now, you realy dont need mroe dmg

just today i bit its hind legs and it just did a normal left click and i got vaccumed to its horns

[normal shuttle]

Latency is a fickle thing

[spiral plank]

#general-feedback message
This is agree with but I think it should be reserved to raptors in your group! Maybe increase group size too

[woeful latch]

yes

[normal shuttle]

Nah raptors shouldn’t get that privilege

They should git gud and face the consequences of their mistakes

Like how ceras can get hit by a charged bite of a teammate if they are terrible

Omnis should be punished as well

[spiral plank]

the pounce hitbox is way more miserable than any other group dino's attack hitboxes

[normal shuttle]

Miserable as in laughably inflated I suppose

Also, carno?

[spiral plank]

raptors and troodies depend on outnumbering and overwhelming their oppponent and that's what pounce is intended for

[drifting river]

The issue is that a bite is a bite, a pounce is a pin and damn near guaranteed death. And most of the time it's due to latency that it happens

[normal shuttle]

And they need coordination to do that efficiently, or having randoms that aren’t desperate to get a bite in

[spiral plank]

yes laughably inflated, that's what's causing them to attack each other

[drifting river]

It takes roughly 3 seconds roughly to cancel a pin

[normal shuttle]

Well

I agree with a fix to the hitbox

Since that would also make pinning less bs

But other than that, git gud to the raptors

[drifting river]

See that's the issue

You can git gud as much as you want, doesn't stop you from getting pinned from others or latency

[spiral plank]

that's the real issue with raptor friendly fire. it's pouncing other raptors who are not at all in the line of the attack.

yup

[drifting river]

Heck Id be fine with Raptors getting an instant option to slap their own teammates off too

[woeful latch]

not at all, in fact pounce hitbox is ridiculous

i love pouncing head and teleporting to the side

[normal shuttle]

remove one on one pinning and we will all be happy unironically

[drifting river]

I have literally never seen or done that, if anything Ive seen someone pounce a head just to fall at the dino's feet and get obliterated afterwards

[past crystal]

now this is just silly

[grave iris]

yea its just pure comedy material

wasnt even and alt attack

dude just pressed left click forward

[eternal moss]

its damage is fine as is imo. i does a lot of bleed damage tho

[woeful latch]

i remember when NV wasn’t that dark and stuff and someone was arguing with me that it should be a lot darker

well we got pitch black nightvision, i hope that person is happy now

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-cheesy-gif-19257011

[woeful latch]

shutupshutupshutup stop yelling AAAAAA STOP YELLING ASAA VOICES VOICESS HELP HELP AAA

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-gif-7021668960526349368

[unreal ridge]

one thing I wanted to add to my suggestion

the screams of the infant dinosaurs will always be just beyond the fog
you'll constantly hear them screaming, almost like they are pleading with you to go and save them
but no matter how fast you run, how powerful you may be, or how far you run

they will always be just out of reach

giving the venom a better feeling of helplessness

like your life isnt in your hands anymore

it turns all mighty dinosaurs into their infant selves
looking for their nest, crying for the warmth of their mother

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message
Lol its like they took the hitbox out of its bite and put it everywhere else

the regular LMB is so finnicky

[woven bane]

yea

and about this #general-feedback message, i dont think that dryo being able to stun is needed

[coarse spruce]

I would like some consistency between moves of every species. Every other kicker has it

[woeful latch]

i didn’t like the hitbox increase, but stun sounds interesting..

[coarse spruce]

wait for the bite?

aside from burrow, that's its most glaring issue for me

[woeful latch]

not like dryo needs it but it could work

[coarse spruce]

its teeny tiny

and delayed

[woeful latch]

yeah but i honestly want hitboxes to stay small

[coarse spruce]

You suggest that all creatures biteboxes should be reduced? I could get behind that

or at least to stay within the bounds of their skulls

[woeful latch]

i think all the hitboxes should actually be connected to the dinos model, not be increased

[coarse spruce]

so the long-snouted creatures (i.e. carnivores) keep their large biteboxes

[woeful latch]

so for example the bite damage should only be caused if head hitbox connects, not its neck or something

just look at this😭 i want this to go

[coarse spruce]

There is one flaw I see in that, and its the blindspot that's created under the neck. It's out of sync with the bodyblocking between players

Maybe every creature needs a look-down+LMB like dibble does. Everyone gets a "goring" move

[woeful latch]

hmm that’s fair, but what if neck hitbox worked only when the player looks down

but if it bites forward it’s only the head that does the damage

[coarse spruce]

but yeah raptor's hitbox has always been bigger than I would expect

[woeful latch]

oh right, that’s what i was thinking about

[woeful latch]

yeah, idk why they made it that forgiving, it’s very annoying

[coarse spruce]

troodon ptsd

[woeful latch]

👽

[signal wyvern]

hitboxes it 2025 Unreal 5 engine really should not be an issue. It's the bite hitbox that's the main issue, but not the actual dinosaur model collision shape. They could do a more in-depth biting/combat system where damage is based on body part and bites are much more localized instead of a big box/rectangle in front of your mouth.

A much improved, elaborate biting system will fix hitbox issues, atm they rely on a box/rectangle on your mouth which leads to multiple bites when that shouldn't happen normally.

[soft bane]

Hardcore Servers (First Person Only, No Global Chat, Darker Night Vision)

[frank tapir]

officials don't have global chat

[woeful latch]

how can you make pitch black even darker

[woeful latch]

this is the current one

[unreal ridge]

what if dilo venom made you go into first person instead of spawning clones

[frank tapir]

it is not

[soft bane]

or n

i mean x lol

i changed my keybind

this is how i see at night

[woeful latch]

LMAO

it’s alt nightvision, like alt attack… but alt nightvision.. it’s real

[urban flax]

It's funny to me how with camera changes people were screaming thag NO ONE would ever want first-person in The Isle, but every so often I see people asking for first person perspective

[urban flax]

That's waaaay too bright lol, did you change your gamma settings on your computer ?

Even troodon normally doesn't have this level of nightvision

[wooden agate]

so much dilo feedback lately when the only thing you need to do is 1 bite = 1 charge abck

back*

wont matter for things like herrera that just die from the first clone bite (good), but for larger things it should pretty much fix the 'oh no the dilo is miles away and still killing me"

[woeful latch]

please

that would so good

[wooden agate]

its pretty much the only thing dilo needs imo

yes, clones should do damage. its venom

yes, the dilo should have the advantage at night with venom.

the problem isnt the venom itself but the charges 🙂‍↕️

[barren crater]

I mean the charge would need to come back regardless. What type of cooldown would it even be

[wooden agate]

match venom duration?

[barren crater]

hmmm why not

[wooden agate]

not for each charge, once the timer ends you get all of em back

[barren crater]

I do think the damage is overkill though since they'd just continue the facetank strat vs cera/carno/teno

[barren crater]

👍 seems good

I like dilos bite rate as well, I just think the damage should be lower lol

There's no need for it to be that high when it can bite so often

[wooden agate]

i wouldnt mind a slight nerf to their damage but it doesnt really need to be too low. 50-65 seems decent for it

keep its normal bite at around 85 though to encourage more hit and run tactics (especially with bite = charge)

i would also be open to clones doing bleed resistence damage in some way instead of damage and making dilophosaurus a bleeder again but i havent thought that all the way through yet

plus it would kind of encrouch on omni's bleeder niche ever so slightly

[barren crater]

fair enough

I think just adding the bite= charge back would be a good start though

Can work from there at least

[dawn hound]

#general-feedback message @covert tiger actually thought i was the only one that thought dilo was way too overpowered

[thick ivy]

How is my idea nad

bad

[frank tapir]

@lusty urchin please activate your windows

[lusty urchin]

Its better withought it

[frank tapir]

why

[bronze matrix]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1358354269383950356 @violet vessel
wait is Corythosaurus planned to be in evirma?!

[limber hull]

From what we know yes

[bronze matrix]

hmm thx for the info!

[covert tiger]

That's not the only thing
Duration needs a massive nerf too
I think it's currently like what - 8 minutes at night?
Should be 1 minute day and 2 minutes night
You want to keep the prey envenomated? Stay active

[normal shuttle]

I wonder before I do anything

Is strain gameplay meant to be extremely unique and different compared to that of the original version or just like in legacy where they are massively amplified creatures but with the same abilities and controls?

[normal shuttle]

@trim dirge use it then

[frigid mesa]

Hopefully but I don’t think it was fully fleshed out apart from the hypers which seem to be bigger tougher version of their smaller counterparts but were kinda of a flawed strain having them be constantly hungry

[thick ivy]

bro i generally hate trying to get back tothe spawn menu by falling off a cliff adn then being red and javing a broken leg

like add a end yourslef button alreadu

broooooo

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message almost every single herbivore in this game can be easily outrunned by any carnivore, if you messed with the monster you might get killed in a process

also why would herbivore get debuffs if it’s killing too much?

well let’s give that debuff to carnivores too since in nature carnivores hunt only when hungry, not just because 🤓🤓🤓

not to mention why should i get a debuff if i got jumped by omni pack and killed them

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message i dont like this idea to begin with but how many is... 'many?'

4? 5? so a diablo would get punished for properly defending against a normal group of omnis?

if you make it too many, it becomes pointless

if you make it too little, it becomes just another tool to hunt with

if the omnis are playing bad enough to have a decent chunk of them die, they deserve to lose that fight. they do not deserve to suddenly have their prey which they were failing at hunting suddenly get a debuff

hi wavepoole

[limber hull]

me when i get my ass whooped by a slower animal and want to nerf the animal for outskilling me

lol

maybe dont waste all ur stam or spend all ur time in the "killzone hotspot" if you dont want to be killed lol

[torn void]

Yes, i noticed that issues, I'm thinking of a solution
It will probably be a large number over a long period of time.

[limber hull]

i havent died to a herbivore where i havent asked for it

[torn void]

You dont expect a damn herb to kos you?
Also we got juvie stages and all wich is slower overall
Also, after a fight they can kill you, when you're injured and with low stamina wich happens most times

[torn void]

Yes, it wont cause they to win in these case and in gonna fix this suggestion smh

[limber hull]

genuinely no

herbis really aint that big a threat to me lol

[latent olive]

the gallimimus tho........

[torn void]

Whats wrong with Galli?

[latent olive]

its a lot stronger than people think

[thick summit]

If you can't fight a herbivore it's usually slower than you

And if it's as fast or faster you can definitely fight it

[torn void]

Juv
Injured
And the body stealers

[thick summit]

Well if you've a broken leg you're dead

Natural selection

And you can avoid body camping by just waiting in a bush

[torn void]

Low stamina
Broken leg
The point is that they shouldn't approach a dead body after you've defeated an animal, unless it's a carnivore wanting to compete, that's unrealistic and unfair

[thick summit]

It's not

[torn void]

No??? No you cant

[thick summit]

Also, if you're about to run out of stamina and/or have a broken leg you messed up and should accept your death

[thick summit]

You can...that's what I do literally every time

[latent olive]

if you walk away from the corpse as a carnivore, and wait a little bit, the body campers lose interest and also walk away

at that point, just wait a minute and they wont come back to camp the corpse

[torn void]

You've already done your hunting, and honestly only carnivores should challenge you at this point, not some crazy herbivore player who chases you down and kills you.

[latent olive]

they only stick around if youre actively engaging them

[thick summit]

Womp womp

Herbis shouldn't get debuffs for playing the game

[torn void]

Not if they are persistent

[raven sky]

Why would a herbi let an injured carnivore live lol? It's a massive opportunity to eliminate something that could come back and kill you later. It'd be stupid not to take it

[torn void]

They should be nerfed for doing illogical and overall toxic practices

[thick summit]

https://tenor.com/bKSwk.gif

https://tenor.com/bSjYP.gif

[torn void]

In terms of energy expenditure, especially against a pack, that is, like, when an inu is being hunted or even dies, what do the others do?

They help?
Do they camp over their friend's dead body?

This doesn't happen to any herbivore.
It's a risk that's not worth it.

[torn void]

When did I say they weren't?

[thick summit]

"They're just toxic when they kill carnivores"

"They should be nerfed for doing overall toxic practices"

[raven sky]

That's still a game. If you are a threat I will take any chance to eliminate you. Catching you while injured is not my fault and I will cease the opportunity

[thick summit]

Let's nerf herbis for defending themselves hell yeah

[torn void]

When they go out killing everything, it is not a TERRITORIALIST practice (found in animals like hippos) nor a DEFENSIVE practice (found in animals like buffalos) and not even a predatory one since its not for source.

[raven sky]

Also, if we talking realism, carnivores also don't kill multiple large herbivores at a time

[woeful latch]

they can’t do it, they’re slower, don’t fight if you don’t want to

[thick summit]

Natural selection

Yeah you don't have to fight

[woeful latch]

maia is the only possible issue, but even then it’s so easy to outmaneuver it lol

[torn void]

My change will include nerf to koser herbivores

[limber hull]

which is unnecessary

[woeful latch]

what about kos carnivores?

[thick summit]

And maia can't even one shot omnis

[limber hull]

frankly if ur getting ur ass whooped by "koser herbis"

lol lmao

[torn void]

Carnivores**
Will include Change to kosers carnivores too

[thick summit]

Nah

[woeful latch]

okay, why?

[limber hull]

unnecessary for both

[thick summit]

That's stupid

[limber hull]

neither side needs such a change

[raven sky]

Maia turns like a truck even cera can escape with ease

[torn void]

Hunt and kill everything and everyone?

[thick summit]

Limiting the ability to play the game is goofy

[torn void]

For no reason

[woeful latch]

yeah what’s the problem with that?

[woeful latch]

the reason is having fun

[raven sky]

So are you the fun police or something?

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don’t get me wrong, i don’t like KOS players, BUT adding mechanic that punishes for killing is very bad idea

[torn void]

They will still be able to kill

[woeful latch]

because the game can’t tell if you were defending yourself or not, what if you were forced to kill and etc

[thick summit]

If you debuff stuff for killing and defending themselves people will just play galli and dryo or simply quit the game altogether

[woeful latch]

not to mention that i love FREEDOM and everyone should have a choice to play the way they like to play