general-feedback-discussion

[woven bane]

not weak enough to instantly die to something that just spawned in

[woeful latch]

i guess it is

[woven bane]

btw answer this @woeful latch

[woeful latch]

so basically what you want is herrera to not die even on land? to basically the only predator that is capable of ambushing it and killing it effectively

[indigo gulch]

And the idea that it doesn’t matter whether you kill the adult or baby omni to prevent dying sounds like an awful way to limit skill expression

[woeful latch]

you asked this question before and i said "no, its not the same"

[woven bane]

strawman fallacy, herreras should be vulnerable to predators not to a hatchling. you’re acting like i’m suggesting for herrera’s to be able to brawl dibbles

[indigo gulch]

That’s not what he is saying. He is saying it shouldnt just die to any baby just because the herra touched the ground.

[woven bane]

explain how its not the same? just seems like double standards

[indigo gulch]

It’s perfectly fine if he dies to something bigger than it.

[woeful latch]

again, we're talking about 176kg animal that pounces 175 kg animal, what do you expect to happen?

[indigo gulch]

Not a onetap

[woeful latch]

why?

[indigo gulch]

Because it’s not the point in its lifecycle that it’s supposed to be strong

[woeful latch]

hatchling? hows 175kg a hatchling?💀

[indigo gulch]

And it’s a carnivore

[woven bane]

hyperbole

[woeful latch]

omni ambushed you, if it managed to do so thats on you, thats not playable issue, thats you issue lmao

[indigo gulch]

That’s literally not an ambush

[woven bane]

we’re talking about an underdeveloped juvenile who dosent have the physical strength to pin and kill a fully grown dino

[woeful latch]

i never got pinned by an omni as a herrera lol, that sounds like you issue

[woven bane]

then if a juvi herrera manages to ambush a fg raptor it should be rewarded the same away, its on you if u got ambushed

[indigo gulch]

The scenery you described was: herra pounces an adult omni next to a baby-> herra dies to a BABY omni pin

That’s not an ambush in any form

[woeful latch]

wdym by that? so if we follow that logic same omni shouldnt be able to pin a hypsi, because hypsi is a fg animal with better muscles or something lol

i just dont see how that can make sense lol, how in a world fg or not matters

[indigo gulch]

I mean I don’t see how it doesn’t?

[woven bane]

yea forgot to mention, this omni problem isn’t just about the herrera matchup its vs every playable

[woeful latch]

no, because its weight is miserable compared to omni, it still does the damage but it wont instakill

[woven bane]

it will lol, it has enough stam to do so

[woeful latch]

because we're talking about something heavy pouncing something less heavy = pin

[indigo gulch]

And onetapping?

[woeful latch]

wait what? what stam has to do with that?

[woven bane]

heavier by 0.1kg

[indigo gulch]

Are you implying pin should kill anything less heavy regardless of growth of the pinner?

[woven bane]

if a 175kg juvi omni pounces a fg herrera it WILL die to the dmg

[indigo gulch]

That’s slightly overpowered

[woven bane]

i just find the double standards funny, a juvi herrera shouldn’t be able to kill a fg omni but a juvi omni should be able to kill a fg herrera because?

[woeful latch]

yes. again, we're talking about playabale that is UNTOUCHABLE 90% of its life, nothing in the game can kill it or even do any significant damage to it. and you're trying to prove me that it being vulnerable and dying to omni on land is a bad thing? cmon lol

[woeful latch]

sorry, but you're delulu

[indigo gulch]

To a JUVI omni? Yes!

[woven bane]

it isn’t untouchable 90% of the time, it comes down quite frequently because of core things in its gameplay loop. herreras aren’t glued to the trees

[woven bane]

nah you’re just hypocritical

[woeful latch]

they're literally are, once in a while you go for a drink and to eat stuff. thats it lol

nothing stops you from staying on land, but that means you should expect to die if you wont see an omni and run to the trees before it kills you

again, if you didnt see an omni coming thats on you lmao. you have permanent safe spots all around the map, literally everywhere

if you got ambushed thats on you

[woven bane]

herrera has the fastest hunger and water drain, they also can’t nest in the trees only on the ground, during hunts they also come down from their tree.
there are so many scenarios but you just look at it from a 1 dimensional perspective

[wooden agate]

i kinda just... dont care that its unfair. you pick a smaller animal, you know you run the risks of having smaller predators as well. herrera needs that punishment, even if its 'unfair' from a growth standpoint

[indigo gulch]

Once again, the situation you described is NOT an ambush cheesy

[woeful latch]

exactly

[woven bane]

too high of a reward for the omni

[woeful latch]

doesnt matter? if you got pinned that means you didnt see omni coming, which means that on you

[wooden agate]

now i will say that the instant a raptor hits 175, its able to output the damage to kill in a pin is a little weird. but something around 240 should def

[woven bane]

even if you see it coming you prob won’t make it back in your tree, friendly reminder that they run 50+kmh

[woeful latch]

good, again, if you didnt see an omni before it pined you thats you problem

[woven bane]

yes i don’t really mind that a sub omni does that but a juvenile like…

[woeful latch]

if you see it before it gets too close to you you will have plenty of time to run away

[indigo gulch]

😭no you can literally see the omni coming and pounced because you JUST jumped the adult

[woven bane]

then a juvi herrera should be able to 1 tap a fg omni, they have awful range anyways so it would require for the omni to be directly under your tree, seems pretty fair right? that’s on you if u get ambushed just look up!

[woeful latch]

never ever that happened to me

[indigo gulch]

We’ve been over this and you still haven’t debunked that

[indigo gulch]

Is that the point? No?

I’ve never died to a deino in the ponds

[indigo gulch]

Does it mean it doesn’t happen?

[woeful latch]

if you got pined you got pined, its you problem and your own fault

same with the galli, its fast enough to run away, if it got pined that galli problem

[woven bane]

btw can you answer my counter point to that😂

[indigo gulch]

Alright I guess you can’t hold a discussion when your arguments become “didn’t happen to me, therefore it’s a skill issue”

[woeful latch]

which one?

[indigo gulch]

You’ve run out of rebuttals

[woven bane]

@woeful latch fair right?

[indigo gulch]

Tbf he did reply to that

[woeful latch]

you asked this lik third time at this point? lol

[indigo gulch]

That was the point, ye. The immediately jump

[woven bane]

all it said was “its different”

[woven bane]

u haven’t explained it yet

[woeful latch]

well look what we have in the game, it clearly doesnt one shot hehe

id say it wont be fair, but it should deal the damage

[woven bane]

but do u believe it should and if not why?

[woeful latch]

it should not, because juvie herrera is too small to actually do any damage

and juvie omni is biigger than the herrera thats why it can pin it

[woven bane]

are you arguing from a realism standpoint or?

[woeful latch]

i hope you understood my answer and wont ask this question again lol

[woven bane]

because being 0.1 kg bigger dosent enable something to pin another thing without a chance of breaking free

[indigo gulch]

And it’s still not stronger than a fg herra

[woeful latch]

are you just trying to argue for arguing at this point?

[woeful latch]

who said that?

[indigo gulch]

No, you haven’t disproven his point yet

[woven bane]

juvenile

[woven bane]

just say you’re wrong🤷‍♂️ i pointed out your double standards and you just refuse to acknowledge

[woeful latch]

so if herrera an adult and omni is a juvie that means omni should be weaker?

arent you the one who talks about the realism now lol?

and the funniest part is that if we use the same logic that means juvie omni should not be able to kill a fg hypsi, because hypsi is fg

and omni is juvie

[woven bane]

i’m not, i was discussing from a game design stand point the entire time until u brought up realism.
“its 1kg bigger and therefore is capable of pinning a herrera”

[woeful latch]

which probably means it should barely walk

[woven bane]

omni spawns in much heavier than a hypsi though, in this case its 0.1kg difference apart

[woeful latch]

you're the wrong one tho, that happens every time and you just keep going and going and going, arguing for sake of arguing instead of actually admitting you were wrong

[woven bane]

“juvi omni should be able to pin and kill a fg herrera because uh it looks right!”
“ a juvi herrera shouldn’t be able to 1 tap a fg omni because i said so”

[woeful latch]

this is your quote, not what i said

alright, it will take you like few weeks as usual to actually understand you will wrong and accept it lol

[woven bane]

what makes you think you’re objective correct lol, anyone who disagrees is just arguing for the sake of it ig

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback-discussion message basically this will happen lol

arguing over something and then admitting you were wrong is like the most you thing

[indigo gulch]

Man I’m so glad I can use the “it never happened to me so skill issue card”

[woven bane]

same guy who thinks deino is OP btw

[woeful latch]

who said that?

[woven bane]

the other day

[woeful latch]

me?

[indigo gulch]

Oh right and how the lack of ai made them canni

[woven bane]

yea implications u made

[indigo gulch]

As if they haven’t canni’ed 24/7 since the beginning of gateway…

[woeful latch]

the thing is, you're talking about something theoretical, like if you pounce an omni the other one will pounce you, im talking about the actual game and players not always staying that close to each other, they never react instantly, so if that happened to you thats on you and you problem

time your ambushes right and you'll be fine

[woeful latch]

i never said that, find me the message

[indigo gulch]

What I said was also taken from in game

And not theoretically

[woeful latch]

again, thats on you

you made a mistake

[woven bane]

i can later, anyways can we go back to the point

[indigo gulch]

?

[bleak agate]

flows out here getting packed by a 50kg omni as an fg herra 💀

[woeful latch]

alright, good luck finding something i never said tho

[indigo gulch]

I’m sorry, are you implying that not judging the reaction speed of another player, that I’m AMBUSHING and haven’t seen before yet, is on me? You’re joking right?

[woeful latch]

yes? your ambush failed, its on you

like how come its playable issue

[indigo gulch]

???? Without anything you could do about it?

[woeful latch]

you could? not ambush lol

[indigo gulch]

With what info??

[woeful latch]

if you ambushed and got killed thats yoru fault

[indigo gulch]

The air?

[woven bane]

sure but you believe a juvi omni deserves the win against a fg herrera if it got the ambush on it, but why can’t the same be done for a juvi herrera ambushing a fg raptor? and don’t come at me with this “its lighter” realism argument bs, explain from a game design standpoint

[woeful latch]

you mean you didnt see the omni before you ambushed? well tahts 100% your problem

[indigo gulch]

Okay cheesy tell me then. How was I supposed to know the reaction speed of the other omni, that YOU YOURSELF implied should need time to react?

[woeful latch]

because it doesnt do as much damage and bleed to kill fg omni? because whats the point of growing fg herrera if even a juvie could insta kill an omni?

[woven bane]

this ain’t spiro, this map is filled with hills, extreme and dense amount of foliage, 99% of the time you won’t see an opponent coming but even if you do see the juvi omni coming it dosen’t matter since it can run at 50kmh

[woeful latch]

wait till omni drinks/eats. wait till you see the other pack members, wait till the're all spread out and then ambush when you're 100% sure they wont be able to chase you down and kill you after your pounce.

[indigo gulch]

Your words btw

[woeful latch]

not to mention that trees and everywhere and you're also pretty fast

[woeful latch]

okay? what playable has to do with that?

[woven bane]

but it should, just tweak a few numbers and allow it to do that. what’s the point of juveniles being vulnerable if they possess such power to kill adult dinos?

[indigo gulch]

Well according to you, that wasn’t necessary because they need reaction time

[woeful latch]

so you want it to get nerfs because you cant see it in time?

[indigo gulch]

Once again, you are refusing to use an argument that isn’t “skill issue”

[woeful latch]

but who said juvie omni should be weak tho? like is there a dev quote or something? its not a juvie rex to be weak

[woeful latch]

basically, the reason you got pinned is because of the reasons i named before.

[indigo gulch]

Again, you said that players need time to react. And then you said I died because I planned my ambush “poorly” since I immediately got pinned and died. There is 0 ways to know the reaction speed of a player. You know that.

[woven bane]

pretty much common knowledge that juveniles are MORE vulnerable than their adult counterparts. kinda the whole point of this hardcore survival game, a juvi omni shouldn’t get food on a silver platter served to it just because it clicked RMB

[woeful latch]

i also said that you need to wait till your target is isolated and everyone is spread out. no group always sticks together. you need to wait till they're away from each other, so even if they react they just wont be able to chase you

[indigo gulch]

And that just doesn’t happen.

[woven bane]

mate herrera only has 1 shot at hunting, opponents usually move away from the tree and herreras can’t pursuit them

[woeful latch]

i mean, its a game lol, not irl. you're bringing irl facts, find me a dev quote saying that juvie omni should be weak

[woeful latch]

good, dont ambush

you should not get perfect circumstances every time

[indigo gulch]

🙄

No body is asking for that cheesy

[woeful latch]

okay? what it has to do with anything?

aim for the headshot, insta kill it

[indigo gulch]

And then get pinned by the juvi

[woeful latch]

if you couldnt do that thats again.. on you

[woven bane]

juveniles in general are supposed to be vulnerable? it isn’t something explicitly stated to be for rex only.
rex will have the hardest time growing yea but that dosent mean every other playable will have it easy

[woeful latch]

no, if you timed your attacks right, as i said before

[indigo gulch]

oh?

But the juvi reacts immediately

[woeful latch]

like you're both trying to prove me that your skill issue is somehow omni or herrera problems

[indigo gulch]

Should have known about that

[woven bane]

mate the juvi can just insta pin you the moment u land

[indigo gulch]

Brother I main omni.

[woeful latch]

thats impossible, even if it did it should be pretty far away to not be able to chase you down. and if it did that means it was your fault

[indigo gulch]

I mean, I literally brought this point up earlier and you went skill issue

[woeful latch]

no dev ever said juvie omni should be weak, its still a killing machine, even tho its small, its a predator

[woven bane]

unless you jumped the omni directly under a tree the juvi can just chase you since its significantly faster before u can make it back in time

[woeful latch]

it is

[woven bane]

what’s your source for juvi omni being a predator

[woeful latch]

it needs time to react, no one reacts instantly, you can jump and then run to the trees asap.

like things you both are talking about are so theoretical, like actually never had that problem in my life. last thing omni needs a pin nerf lol. id rather want the grapple nerf instead

omni can only ever pin juvies or galli, thats it

[old spindle]

female jaguar sounds like dilo laugh

[woeful latch]

herrera can always run to the trees

[woven bane]

actually i’ve had opponents react instantly lol

[woeful latch]

if it cant do that in time thats herrera issue

[woven bane]

it is 5 whole kilometers slower

[woven bane]

if u can’t beat ceras that’s a you issue, cera is balanced.

[woeful latch]

wdym? hows it not a predator?

[woeful latch]

thats whole another talk and i never said i cant beat them, i can, but it doesnt make them balanced or good or fun to fight against or interact with them

dont bring cera talk here lmao

[woven bane]

so your answer to my question is to hit my with a question of your own lmao

[woven bane]

and is omni fun to interact with? HELL omnis can take away your ability to interact with anything lmao

[woeful latch]

i mean, omni is designed to be a predator, how its not lol? like hows that even a question?

[woven bane]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-evrima-the-isle-evrima-omniraptor-utahraptor-gif-1753601368928420624

[woeful latch]

its like asking the reason why teno is a herbivore? well.. it eats grass

[woven bane]

prove it is during its juvenile stages of life

[woeful latch]

only if you're a juvie or galli and both can usually run away or take like no time to grow

[bleak agate]

herra mains getting ready to explain why point and clicking requires skill

[woven bane]

dilo and troodon for example can’t even use their core mechanics untill they are sub adult, but rex is the only one who should be vulnerable when a juvi right right

[woeful latch]

becaue nothing stops them from being a hunter, they're still agile, strong. they can kill and hunt smaller things and juvies, they're also super fast

[woven bane]

i explained it to u this morning

[woeful latch]

cant believe i have to explain this to you flows

[bleak agate]

your explanation was flawed

[woven bane]

and juvi herrera’s are heavy so they should be able to 1 tap a fg omni

[woven bane]

yet you didn’t debunk it instead starting ranting about other things lmao

[indigo gulch]

Man, this whole conversation is going in circles….

[woeful latch]

i mean, its literally the same thing.

like herrera insta killing omni by pouncing is omni issue, because it didnt see the herrera in time, same way herrera dying to omni is skill issue because it didnt se it in time and didnt run to the trees

[woeful latch]

they're not tho

[woven bane]

yes they are, 80KG’s landing on you from 50 meters in the air on your head will kill anything

[woeful latch]

yes, we should stop

[indigo gulch]

This is your issue. Explaining everything like it’s a skill issue. Imagine irl situations being explained by that

[indigo gulch]

Yes, I’d like to go back to my monster hunter 😭

[bleak agate]

i dont remember your arguments exactly because i discussed it with a few people, but nobody i discussed with made any valid arguments that werent refutable

[woven bane]

not the same when a juvi omni can do it and a juvi herrera can’t do it.

[indigo gulch]

Agree to disagree?👍🏻

[woeful latch]

im playng the same game you do and if i dont have same problems and issues that means either im super special and cool or you're blaming sub omni for your bad plays

[bleak agate]

pretty much. i dont think omni pin is particularly skillful, my issue is that herras complain about getting pinned whilst they have a similar ability which has many strengths in its own right (as well as a higher dmg potential)

[woeful latch]

yes, lets finish this conversation finally, it gives me a headache

[indigo gulch]

Back to the “I’ve never died to deino, I guess it’s balanced or needs buffs?”? Guess that’s how I experience deino. But aight, you can reply to this and I drop it so you can have the lst word😁

[woven bane]

i don’t mind an omni being able to pin a herra, my only problem with it is that a 29% grown juvenile can do it

[woeful latch]

and i dont want to continue to argue with people on internet about in game dinos i dont even care about

id gladly discuss the teno balance lol

but not today, im too tired

[bleak agate]

omni is a bigger creature overall it is just something you have to roll with

[woeful latch]

yes

[woven bane]

lack of empirical evidence, you don’t play the dino yet you have strong opinions cheesy

[woven bane]

not the juvi

[woeful latch]

who said i dont? i said i dont care that much, never said i dont. i dont main anything, i play almost every dino

well i dont play hypsi if that counts

[woven bane]

kinda obvious when you bring out the infamous “herreras are immortal for 99% of the time” argument

[woeful latch]

because they are lol. they're only vulnerable on land and thats how it should be

[tight dove]

as herra you are really not supposed to fight anything on land, the whole gameplay is hide, jump and go back on a tree without getting killed. If a dino able to always easly go in a safe spot would be able to resist some hits of other dinos it would be too op

[woeful latch]

alright we should actually stop the conversation lmao, its going nowhere

[woeful latch]

yes

[woven bane]

they should be vulnerable to land but not to this ridiculous extent, is austroraptor and baryonyx going to be OP because they can evade semi aquatic predators by going on land and be able to escape land dinos by going into the water?

[tight dove]

as an herra you can 1 shot a fg omni (and even a fg dilo if you have the fall dmg mutation) while hiding on a tree, where he can't see or hit you, you HAVE to be 1 shot on land

[woeful latch]

flows, im leaving this conversation lol and you should do the same, at this point we're just going in circles

[bleak agate]

omni opps in shambles after reading this one...

[tight dove]

Yes, and since they are fish eater they will probably not have the best bite force.. That mean that they will have an hard time fighting other dinos of the same size both on land and water... no perks comes without side effects

[woven bane]

there’s a difference between vulnerability and making something straight up a fodder

we might aswell let hypsi’s be able to take on herreras in a brawl

[tight dove]

and still, if you play in group you will not be that vulnerable, if an omni pounce you another herra can jump on him. I killed a lot of omni like that

[woven bane]

you will die in the process

[tight dove]

herra is not a fodder, with that jump they can avoid hits kinda well

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message

70 dislikes...

[bleak agate]

should be 70 more

[normal shuttle]

I think Omni pin is so unfun and omni is such a crutch playable, but man

deleting it isn't really the only option available

[urban flax]

Nerfing it or reworking it would be okay
But outright removing it makes no sense

[normal shuttle]

I would be fine with some rework or perhaps capping the amount of damage you can do from someone's health in terms of percentage with a high enough base cap to not allow tiny tiers to survive

but after all that work the devs are not gonna delete that at all

like for example

giving the pin/grapple a mandatory minimum of 300 damage you can do for free without being dismounted, but then as soon as you deal like 60-70% of a target's health in a single pounce it dismounts you so the omni is rewarded for a good pounce and it can still kill stuff like subadult gallis, leave adult ones bleeding very badly and destroy herreras

but not just jump a sub pachy and nuke it when it is like 20kg lighter

or grappling a late juvenile stego and locking it for like 30 seconds while it is unable to do anything about it

[worthy plover]

I think that the pin makes sense when knowing that one omni weighs about 1000 lbs. Even if pachy or galli weighs around the same, adding around a 1000lbs on your back will make you crumble.

A real world example would be llamas. They weigh 300-400 pounds but at most can only carry 80 pounds before problems start to occur, usually less.

I would agree though that unlike with deino where i don’t think it makes sense to be able to fight it off if it drags you underwater, it would make sense if there was some way to escape a pin on land unless there is a large weight difference. I don’t know how that would be implemented, but it would be nice if the possibility to throw off a pin was there. Who knows, with how many playables are gonna have pin mechanics, they might be adding something like that later.

[raven glen]

I personally think the pin system is fine how it is, most omni players are too uncoordinated and die too fast to use anyways, but its a fun gimmick and hunting strategy for more advanced and skilled players to use, ive seen only a couple, maybe 3 or 4, omni mains with focus bite a maia and bait it till it loses most if not all of its stam, half of its bleed, and some hp, while keeping themselves of 60% and then while its nerfed maul it to death with little to no resistance

[white elm]

That's grapple. Pin is the solo version.

[woven surge]

@teal kelp some idea for the droughts, the bonus is a mass migration, to a food rich oasis

[teal kelp]

yea but how does that have to do with drought?

[full pewter]

@left crypt Titanoboa has been brought up for the isle and even has art. But the most recent comments by the devs point to it either being scrapped or AI only. Things can always change though. IMO though, I don’t think it’ll be worth waiting for with Deino and Spinosaurs in the picture, it’d also likely be very mechanically complex and could take too long to add

[teal kelp]

cuz droughts is when everything is dry

[woven surge]

Thats true, but i think that would just make it an overall bad experience, something needs to make it a little balanced. Imagine being spawned in middle of a drought and then you are 90% doomed to fail each respawn

[teal kelp]

yea but it does not need to be full map

[woven surge]

yes thats nice also, ppl gettting pushed out of certain regions becouse of drought, that doesnt make it that bad then

yes its a very good mechanic then i mean xd

[river idol]

Lmao fine then don’t add a tutorial

It’s so idiotic that some of you don’t want a tutorial in the game lmao.

[clever ingot]

I’m guessing from what we’ve seen is austro is going to be the next Dino to the rooster and then hopefully hpysi climbing

[normal shuttle]

@left crypt I know this may be biased, but no, just no

going to the facts, it is not allowed to suggest roster additions UNLESS you provide a good, detailed explanation of why they should be added, and then we have all the other issues such as titanoboa and snakes just not working in The Isle

[normal shuttle]

also megalania is just anything a snake could be

[clever ingot]

I learnt how to play by watching gaming beavers legacy content not even telling you how to play

[normal shuttle]

the new UI

most of those things ARE planned

or in the works rn

hence why I personally abstained myself from voting there

not like voting does anything tho

[sick hatch]

for the love of god fix the queues for officials, either open more servers or figure somehting else out, your players shouldn't have to find an unofficial server just to play the goddamn game.

[normal shuttle]

wrong channel if you want to be heard. It's the one just above

[sick hatch]

there's already a post in there for the issue, just want to vent frustration tbh

[river idol]

They don’t look at that anyways, dondi is too busy kissing a mirror to actually listen to us, but whatever, I’m just mad.

[normal shuttle]

@river idol also, I just watched that video. And most of the criticisms raised, while still fair, are things that are planned to be addressed in the future in some way or another

they are very much aware of the things you can fix

[river idol]

Still doesn’t make what that fool of a lead dev has done to the game and his team, and his playerbase. Not to mention the way he treated the wikia editor

[normal shuttle]

other than the "no humans thing" (despite those being something servers can toggle) since developer vision is a priority in game design

[normal shuttle]

he has been doing pretty nicely lately

and by lately I mean a rather long time

[river idol]

Honestly I just wish the maps weren’t so cluttered the whole MZ thing really pisses me off, especially since AI is too difficult to have it spawn for whatever reason

[normal shuttle]

AI can be found with relative ease if you know where to look for it. Sometimes they appear scarce due to certain problems after a long time without a restart AND especially high player caps in a server. Officials and anywhere with 100 player cap has so much AI

and MZs are not finished yet (hence why I also said above most criticisms of that video have planned solutions)

I actually agree withmany things that Zenny mentions, but there's just stuff in the near (or admittedly not so near in some cases although it doesnt that much anyway in the case of ecosystems) future meant to fix that

[full pewter]

Pretty much yea, a venomous one at that

[ancient reef]

Hello I'm actually stuck on the map, Is there a way to unblock me please?

[icy lion]

Try /unstuck

[ancient reef]

Yes nice thank you !

[frank tapir]

@olive merlin #general-feedback message the burrowing they have planned is not a simple mechanic, unless you mean just giving it legacy burrowing for the time being?

[white elm]

#general-feedback message remove it from the game is a new one

[warm blaze]

yes with all the debuffs that are caught in the mouth we might as well remove it from the game

[desert arch]

Omni is NOT weak lmao

[warm blaze]

oh yes is weak

I play it all the time so I know what I'm saying

[desert arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102619485334143006/1320058359168106526/omni_is_trash_fr_A_Clipchamppel_keszult.mp4?ex=67a0e826&is=679f96a6&hm=568d88da8ccc0ca0880f8e92ceba32ee2b79e7c9a4442cdaf0174be64d44c2b5& look at this and tell me its weak

None of us were fully grown btw

It has a pounce that deals 1000dmg, incredible bleed, the ability to pin animals bigger than itself in groups and heavily slows down the things it pounces

[warm blaze]

wow 1 against 4 or 5 yes it's sure it's easy go fight against groups of 4 cera or 3 carno we'll see if he's strong

[desert arch]

3 sub omnis vs 1fg cera

[desert arch]

Cera is supposed to be a bad matchup, and a large pack can definetly take on 3 carnos

[warm blaze]

I agree with you the omni in a group against 1 single species is easy but go and fight against groups of 2 or 3 you will see it's not the same

[desert arch]

Is it harder? Yes. But its not unwinnable

[warm blaze]

in addition I have now seen that the dilo has become faster than a troodon and an omni

[desert arch]

Dilo is far less agile than both of them

[warm blaze]

stop most of the time if you don't run away the pack gets decimated

[desert arch]

If it was slower it would die on sight

[white elm]

If Dilo was slower than Omni Dilo would just lose

[desert arch]

I genuinely dont want to sound condesending or insulthing, but those may just be bad players.

[white elm]

Omni turns better, jumps, etc

Lots of escape options against Dilo

Dilo does NOT

[desert arch]

Omni is very strong in the right hands, and I do mean VERY

Saying this from experience as someone who plays it a lot

[warm blaze]

so before the omni speed debuff and the dilo speed buff in 1vs1 the dilo is always sure to win

[desert arch]

Omni also technically 1 shots it with dmg pounce

But ig it goes both ways, dilo venom is basically a 1 tap as well

[desert arch]

The only hope the dilo would have is to camp terrain so the omni cant pounce, otherwise it dies

[white elm]

#general-feedback message this wouldn't cull the population, it would increase it, because there is more food for rexes

[normal shuttle]

Omni is a dinosaur that even a toddler could use effectively tbh

[warm blaze]

the dilo doesn't really need venom to kill an omni

[normal shuttle]

Makes next to no noise approaching, easy to maintain and with quick grow, varied diet list, and the infamous uncounterable cutscene

[desert arch]

Yeah thats true, but how is that relevant? Omni 1 shots dilo with pounce

If dilo was slower than omni it would just die

[normal shuttle]

^

[desert arch]

Not saying it wouldnt deserve it though, I hate dilos so much

[normal shuttle]

Only thing that makes dilo any better than Omni right now is its buggy venom

But otherwise omni is straight up better at everything

[desert arch]

Buggy venom makes it worse, imagine if it worked correctly and hallucinations would always spawn

Undodgeable 85dmg every 8 seconds, balanced

[normal shuttle]

Well yeah

But it is also unavoidable when they spawn unless you make use of convenient terrain or have enough range

Most things simply can’t do anything about it

And the fact that it stacks with groups and applies double at night is disgusting

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message jesus christ.

[desert arch]

Its not even double, its 5x last I tested

1 dilo bite gets a cera to stage 3 at night

While in the day in needs 5

[normal shuttle]

But if dilo’s venom was refined, then Omni would basically be better at everything other than theme (the concept is awesome and so fitting for the isle) and maybe solo hunter style

But omni at least doesn’t let smaller prey escape like, ever

And doesn’t allow bigger stuff to fight back when they’re in a pack

Ive seen a clip of some omnis pinning down something that looked like a 1.5-2 ton stego for like 20 seconds

It is so nasty

[warm blaze]

excuse me for being rude but you're talking nonsense the dilo was always stronger than an omni before the update which added speed to the dilo and lowered that of the omni the dilo even if it was slower that the omni he killed him ez

[desert arch]

I mean, if 2T worth of omnis somehow all get on a stego thats a deserved win 😭

Thats like 5 omnis youd need

[normal shuttle]

Bro

It’s just pressing rmb

[desert arch]

Dilo was always faster than omni wdym?

[desert arch]

5 omnis being latched occupies all pouncable spots though, that takes precision and quick coordination

[normal shuttle]

Hmmm maybe, yeah

[white elm]

We definitely need a store

[normal shuttle]

Lmaooooo

[desert arch]

Like, unless the stego is literally afk ur aint ever getting 5 omnis latched to it

[olive merlin]

I did mean the legacy mechanic as a substitute for the time being. thats really the only reason playing a dryo is fun is BECAUSE of the burrowing

[woeful latch]

if stego is out of stam it takes 2 omnis to pin is and that’s insane

[normal shuttle]

It was at the swamp, so basically nothing to shake them off. And bucking is more detrimental to the target than the Omni

[desert arch]

Dont run out of stam, simple as that

[woeful latch]

real

tactical endurance, my beloved

[desert arch]

Hug a wall from the beggining and be patient

The omnis will make a mistake eventually

[woeful latch]

yes, that what you should do as a stego

tho i never really struggled as much as a stego, but it’s not like a played a lot, i don’t like the playstyle

i’d rather play something smaller

[desert arch]

Bucking sucks yeah, but swamp has water and trees everywhere, take a 0.5 second swim and all the omnis will dismount from you automatically

Or find a cozy mudpool and hunker down

Spam E to wallow and youll never sink either

[warm blaze]

Personally I call it non-fair play I would even say anti-gaming

[teal kelp]

How is this and any feed back #general-feedback message

[worthy plover]

https://tenor.com/view/raven-gif-20069584 Whenever I get pounced, I have a really hard time scraping them off on trees. A lot of times the omnis just seem to clip through, same with rocks and cliffs although I don't know if you can use the rocks and cliffs to scrape off the omni's.

[desert arch]

They only get stunned if you move fast enough

Like for example, if youre trotting and scrape them off, theyll only get dismounted

Also I love that gif😄

[worthy plover]

That's what I mean, they don't dismount, just kinda phase through the object.

I like the gif too

[desert arch]

[worthy plover]

[covert tiger]

@worthy tangle thanks but like every single statistic disagrees with you
The isle player count is more popular now than all the years prior and almost all of them play evrima

[worthy tangle]

I don't understand how players can like a huge empty and useless map, on which you can't even choose a place to respawn, it's impossible to play with friends, and it takes an extremely long time to reach popular places.

[desert arch]

A mechanic that allows you to spawn with your friends is in the works, look in the devblog

[covert tiger]

Well the spawn thing is being added as he mentioned
But apart from that, it's not difficult to find ppl after enough time learning the map and mechanics
It's true, it doesn't appeal to people who immediately want to get into the fun, its a brutal survival that tests your patience, but once you put in the hours you're duly rewarded

There's a detailed map called Vulnona available online

My point is
There is a huuuge difference between admitting 'hey I don't like this game, it's not my type, I'm looking for something different now' and 'this game sucks, this game is dead, im not playing it cause there's xyz problems in the game'

[past crystal]

explain further how it's 'empty and useless'

[swift zephyr]

It might be rough for now, but the developers are working on an ability to spawn your friend to you. It's just needs to be perfect before implementation to prevent exploits

[prisma ermine]

Probably because the map is huge and most of the players hang around lakes and fields

[bleak agate]

Speed, dmg, attack speed…

[tired quest]

the forest /jungle in this game are usually a dead zone and can mislead new player think they can find food in it

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-brain-meme-big-brain-big-brain-meme-big-brain-time-gif-2441110471562975014

[white elm]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-age-sid-i-am-a-genius-im-a-genius-genius-gif-23906122

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message no way anyone with 4k hours having such skill issues

[tired quest]

the game do need some kind of tutorial tbh

[old spindle]

The map has roads on it u can travel on

[manic oak]

I used to have a issue with the spawn points being removed but now i do kinda like it cause it stops the spawn camping an baby killing an it give the players a chance to fingure things out with out being pushed. But i will say it makes it a pain when your trying to run with friends witch thank god they have finally decided to bring in away to spawn with friends just takes time to code it in an it work properly

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message

isnt this kind of just an Alt attack>?

[tired quest]

yeah but the current alt attack act kinda like a quick turn bite

[past crystal]

oh so you're thinking more a conditional attack that can only work after a recent successful charge attack

i was thinking 'oh heavy alt bite' and thought players would abuse that, but conditional makes more sense

conditional attacks can definitely be done for sure, like the dibble sparring is conditional

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message tbf you can do an alt attack which does like 200? idk how much exactly

[teal fulcrum]

it stops the spawn camping an baby killing
lol no. spawn points are still the same and everyone knows exactly where to find lil dinos

[woeful latch]

people actually do this? lol

it’s even worse than camping the sanctuaries

[teal fulcrum]

unfortunately, ye. spawning on sp or hl means death almost always

[teal fulcrum]

or northern jungle

[desert arch]

175, used to be 200 before the rework

[woeful latch]

oh

well that’s unfortunate, it’s pretty slow as well, they could buff the damage a bit. like ceras alt bite is 200 which is crazy

idk if it’s cera too buffed or the carno deals less damage than it should

[white elm]

I think it's both, swap the values around

[normal shuttle]

😭 😭 😭 😭

How is that not bait

[normal shuttle]

Didnt V3 suffer from this too?

Everyone gathered at 2-3 spots mostly there too

[woven bane]

cera and carno have the same bite force

[limber hull]

that's not what they're talking about tho

[woven bane]

thanks for the update

[woeful latch]

that’s not what we’re talking about tho

[woven bane]

i’ve already been informed that

[desert arch]

Pretty sure ceras alt is 175 as well, its just faster

[woeful latch]

quick guide says its 200, tho its not like that info is trustable xd

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-twerk-spongebob-spongebob-meme-gif-23014096

[desert arch]

The only time it ever did 200 was when it was bugged

Bugged max dmg cera alt was over 700dmg

Peak

[woven bane]

they should’ve left it in😔

[desert arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156104879945818152/1210945795407355954/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_3-1.mp4?ex=67a17167&is=67a01fe7&hm=6355c0407439896e11126eb89e04b5038d10274192abe5702de5d1f1374486b1&

Balanced🥹

[woven bane]

indeed

[eager socket]

That’s a HS

[desert arch]

Not even full charhed bite does 500dmg

I 2 shot that dilo lol

[eager socket]

Yes but that was a HS

you were face to face

The bite hitbox connected with head

[woven bane]

wasn’t it over 700. should’ve been a 1 shot

[desert arch]

It was, but you needed to charge it up for an ungodly amount of time

Either way it was a WILD bug

[quick talon]

Can I refund after 100 hours?

= )

[desert arch]

No

[quick talon]

= (

[frank tapir]

@old spindle #general-feedback message Megalania is a planned playable that will be arboreal when it's younger and lose that ability as it grows

[quick talon]

Why is Evrima so unoptimized? Why is Spiro dead? I played spiro on the only unofficial server there was, I had 10x better performance than evrima, 90-110 fps with everything on max, while I'm only getting 60-80 fps on Evrima with everything on Low and half the 3D Resolution. What the hell is wrong with Gateway?

I joined Spiro from Evrima's beta option, it doesn't seem like the map is the problem since I still get garbage performance.

[formal kayak]

You’re probably getting so few frames issues because
A. Spiro is way smaller
B. Nobody is playing on spiro, so there’s less lag because there’s less players

[latent olive]

nah the map was the problem for sure

spiro is pretty bad both performance wise and gameplay wise

[quick talon]

You mean....gateway?

[latent olive]

apparently spiro is getting a complete overhaul, maybe

[quick talon]

Did I type something wrong?

[stiff rock]

Any omni players nesting?

[quick talon]

I said I'm having issues on Evrima, on booth Gateway and Spiro. But if I launch the game with the spiro beta branch option, and play on Spiro, I get much better performance

[latent olive]

gateway only seems unoptimised because there’s 100 or more players loaded in on the map at once, plus all the AI, plus the corpses and data, etc

[quick talon]

Sorry forgot to mention mister

I did those tests, in empty servers

[latent olive]

it’s just that compared to spiro, gateway is so much better

[quick talon]

you got the wrong channel btw

[latent olive]

spiro is also on an older version of unreal engine I think

so that may be a part of it

[quick talon]

So it's either the engine, or the coding

or booth

The new engine should actually give better performance

It's not the engine

[stiff rock]

I was with a pack of omnis I was with we were nesting then I killed myself hoping to spawn as a 2nd gen. However when I placed the nest code it does not appear in the egg selection screen

But a prompt said that request has been sent

[quick talon]

You can't be your own baby I think

Or maybe

There was no one to accept ur request

I think the requests only go to the mother?

Not sure

[stiff rock]

Ohhhh I see the mother left the pack

Only the male omni remains

[formal kayak]

Well you’d think so!
But it hasn’t proven true (spiro’s performance debatably got worse when it upgraded up an engine!)

[foggy zinc]

do someone know what the troodon changes will be?

[normal shuttle]

No

[quick talon]

They should probably make troodon give a lot of nutritional value since it doesn't give any food to the medium-big carnivores. That would make it worth killing. Right now fighting a pack of troodons is high risk low reward, there's no point in fighting them if you can just run away.

The only carnivore that can't run away from them is Cera

[thorny magnet]

Is there currently a fix for the Dilo clones not doing damage?

[covert tiger]

@simple ember gonna burst your bubble
They already said no to it
And I kinda agree - it would be a v pointless useless playable if you think about it in actual gameplay terms

[simple ember]

Damn rip 😭 I had just joined this server but thank you tho brotha

[lean zinc]

Whenever the allosaurus comes out on a Verma would the nesting practices be different since the allosaurus was known to birth their young and then leave them not caring for them at all

[urban flax]

@violet vessel Why rename beipi to another therizinosaur it has nothing in common with while making it more accurate to the real beipi ?

[violet vessel]

I thought beipi was like 45kg irl. It doesn't make sense to keep the name if it's size in-game increase to 100-200 kg. Besides, I never really liked beipi's name. I always think I'm pronouncing it wrong whenever I say beipiaosaurus.

It's not something I care to argue over but it would be a welcome change to me

[old spindle]

There will be troodon changes confirmed?

[urban flax]

Beipi irl is a few hundred kg

[violet vessel]

Source?

[lilac bolt]

weight for beipi is kind of all over the place with some estimated putting it at only 27kg to 100+

most recent thing i've found put it at around 50kg

[lilac bolt]

either way its a video game it doesn't matter

[violet vessel]

I agree, my main reasoning is my disdain for the name beipiaosaurus. I know some people like it but I don't

[thick summit]

@unreal ridge so what you're suggesting is an insta kill (it literally is) because something ran out of stamina?

that's like

why...being out of stamina doesn't instantly mean death...you could still survive and an insta kill would be sooo broken and actually horrible

[unreal ridge]

so did you read the suggestion or

[thick summit]

I did

You didn't mention health though

[unreal ridge]

" if the prey item you are latched onto will die while you are latched on" implying that IF an animal will die while you are latched on, as in it does not have the health to outlast you, you can perform this attack

yes I did

[thick summit]

hm not really

[unreal ridge]

whats your definition of die because usually it means runs out of health

[thick summit]

yes

[unreal ridge]

cease to live

[thick summit]

indeed

[unreal ridge]

so yeah if it will die it will run out of health, mentioning health

its not an insta kill more like a get to the point kill

[thick summit]

yah but we don't even know how grapple/latching onto animals will exactly work

[unreal ridge]

omniraptor

[thick summit]

omniraptor is an entirely different animal than rex, allo, etc. though

[unreal ridge]

yeah which is why omni wouldnt be able to do it on the same scale

I mean if you really wanted to get there I feel like once prey is subdued an omni could easily grab the throat and choke it out just like lions
but i feel like allosaurus and up are more deserving of an ability

omni is already gifted

[thick summit]

it shouldn't be a mechanic for just allosaurus

[unreal ridge]

thats why i said allosaurus and up

larger carnivores

[thick summit]

It shouldn't really be a mechanic

more of a QoL change for every animal

[unreal ridge]

its the same thing as dilo eating prey alive

[thick summit]

animations instead of a mechanic

[unreal ridge]

exactly its QoL thats what i was aiming for

quality of life, adds player immersion, a cool new animation to draw more players in because they want to do that

a little pizazz never hurt

[thick summit]

you made it look like a mechanic rather than just...well...a kill/finisher animation

I agree though

[unreal ridge]

well it can only happen under certain conditions, but I had to explain it thoroughly or else people will just see "insta kill" and shoot down the idea

[thick summit]

it's quite silly when the stego that was alive a second ago just flops over

[unreal ridge]

I would just like to see more unique animations lol, I had one in mind where allo would hold diablo's horns back while biting its neck so it couldnt do anything

just a little cool animation to reward the player for being a successful hunter

like how it was implied rex will do a pitbull eating a child shake whenever it one shots something, something immersive

[thick summit]

"It'd be cool and immersive if the last attack needed to kill a player could trigger a kill animation. This can only happen if the next attack is guaranteed to kill the player."

[thick summit]

THE DIABLOCERATOPS would never die to the puny allosaurus

[old spindle]

dilo doesnt eat prey alive does it?!

[unreal ridge]

its a planned feature seen in dilo's concept art

they can be seen eating an oviraptor alive as well as a half eaten tenonto attempting to crawl away while it's innards are being picked out

[old spindle]

is it still planned or scrapped cause ik herrera has flesh grazing in its concept and it was scrapped

[unreal ridge]

it is still planned however it isnt a top priority, its more a quality of life thing to be added at a later point

but like so basically prey thats killed while envenomated, will play an animation like the animal still trying to stand up or crawl away long after its been hollowed out by predators, just for a certain time and then it "fully dies" and goes back to being a corpse

[desert arch]

@eternal moss dilo already gets a massive venom buff during the night.
5x venom application, longer venom duration, double the hallucination spawns.

[eternal moss]

oh well what about troodon

[desert arch]

Troodon gets nothing sadly :/

[eternal moss]

oh so should i just take dilo off of that

[desert arch]

Aside from being a bit harder to see ig, cuz of the dark

[desert arch]

Yep

[worthy plover]

I did not know any of that. That sounds kick A

[woeful latch]

also the passive clone spawn

tho dilo is neutralized right now lmao

[desert arch]

Those happen during the day as well, theyre just more frequent during the night, thus the "double the clone spawns"

[woeful latch]

oh no, didn’t know that :(

i though it’s only the night thing

[desert arch]

2 of my galli buddies died to the venom yesterday so not really
Theyre just inconsistent af, as usual

[woeful latch]

ohhh i see. well i guess it’s time to live in fear again

i love when one dilo bite takes 90% of my health

[desert arch]

Balanced 🗣️ 🔥

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message
this makes sense against solo targets, but the one flaw of a pin is you're completely vulnerable to other playables getting revenge. Standing your ground means taking hits, this idea would let you get away with murder against a pack without weighing your options

[limber hull]

no they didnt, titanoboa is still on the table according to dondi

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message ban titanoboa suggestions

in fact, blacklist that forsaken thing

[limber hull]

why

[covert tiger]

#isle-discussion message

V sorry to burst your bubble too

[limber hull]

Brother that literally implies they're still considering it

That in no way deconfirms titanoboa

[covert tiger]

Brother
It literally implies the exact opposite

The utter last thing they would ever do in this game
🤣

[limber hull]

Okay but, again, it's still something they would DO

It's not like torvo where they literally just won't do it

[white elm]

what happened with torvo?

[covert tiger]

She literally wrote that entire speech so that people wouldn't keep living with false hope (in the first line)
But it's ok you can continue to believe 🫡

[limber hull]

actually, no, i meant tarbo

[limber hull]

They wrote that speech to highlight EXACTLY what was going on with titanoboa, and that speech literally still says that they'd be willing to do it

its objectively untrue to say it's not getting added

because there's no confirmation that it's not getting added

it's not about hope or belief, it's about reading what's said

[white elm]

what happened with tarbo?

[limber hull]

dondi called it a rex clone and flat out said he's not bothering to spend the money on even getting the thing modelled

[lilac bolt]

we have alberto for that

[covert tiger]

There's a major comprehension issue here on your end as you seem to be viewing at a hypothetical take on what titanboa could be, as a literal confirmation that titanoboa is still on the table.
That message is as clear an indicator as can ever be that it is not on the table.

Of course everything can change and they can add 10 snakes in a few years. But I am only referring to the presence stance on the titanoboa.

[ember chasm]

As if carch is not the same but with giga, but that's not here nor there...

[limber hull]

dont get me started on carch

i hate that goddamn thing

[limber hull]

I'm saying that it's literally objective untrue to tell someone that titanoboa isn't happening if the devs themselves have never said it

[white elm]

please.

[limber hull]

Quad carchar is so funny

[ember chasm]

.... One word, Fasolasuchus....

[covert tiger]

Incorrect
I will continue to tell people the same, as I want ppl to not want to believe in false hope
But it's fine as I said you can continue to believe

[white elm]

high quality concept art of quadruped carchar (real and confirmed)

[ember chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/fasolasuchus-65-adam-driver-postosuchus-dinosaur-gif-4433910364729740541

[icy lion]

The message you linked says, quote, "...but when something did come by, we'd definitely sell the interation. Titanoboa is a constrictor and we wouldn't want to rob you of that experience for the sake of including the animal. So if we do a titanoboa ever, we're going to want it choking people out and swallowing them whole."

It's on the table, just in the veeeery far corner and could easily be swept off. But it's on there

"if we do"

not

"we will never do"

Which has been the general dev consensus for a while

"If we do it, it'll be after literally everything else cuz it's a headache"

[covert tiger]

The entire paragraph is a hypothetical
That is, kissen's thoughts on if titanoboa was ever a thing
It starts off with her not giving ppl false hope and by saying it's the last thing they would ever consider

Whenever titanoboa gets brought up, ive seen ppl try to raise hope in their answers because 'on the table' can mean anything. Rex is on the table too. It's a misleading implication.
People should be made v clear when they ask about titanoboa, that its been openly spoken of as an extremely unlikely prospect even in the distant future to be considered.

[icy lion]

That's ok, you can continue to believe that

[limber hull]

okay so say it's unlikely or low priority

don't say it's not happening, because that is objectively untrue

or more specifically, misleading from the devs actual words

[covert tiger]

So rather than assuming something is not happening until devs say it's happening, you want to believe that everything is happening until the devs specifically say no
Gotcha

In that case a new map on Mars is also on the table until devs specifically say no

[icy lion]

In this case, the devs have outright stated that titanoboa is a consideration. An unlikely one for the distant future, but still actively being considered

[limber hull]

One's something they have literally stated to be on the roster in the past (titanoboa) and the other is something they'd literally never do (mars)

Like what a bizarre argument

[white elm]

[limber hull]

Comparing what the devs haven't said to what they actually have

[covert tiger]

Alright
We can believe what we want to believe
As I said, for now until they actually mention titanoboa with any meaningful consideration, I will continue to prevent ppl from developing false hope about it
And fine, I will use the phrase 'last thing they ever do' instead of 'no they'll never do it'
Let it end here 👍

[wooden agate]

@covert tiger heres "meaningful consideration"

[latent olive]

based charcharchar suggestion

[wooden agate]

its peak in terms of humor but i think id die if it was actually added

frankly i think downsizing carchara would make it 10x more interesting and give it far more options in terms of niche

[limber hull]

unfortuantly that would just put it in acro tier because for some reason this game also has THAT carchardontosaurid

[wooden agate]

what if you downsize it,,,, alot,,,

2-4 ton range

after that, idc what niche you give it as long as it isnt intruding on allo/alberto/sucho

[white elm]

then why not pick a small carcharodontosaurid relative like siats or something 😭 🙏

[wooden agate]

cause roster set in stone yadda yadda

[latent olive]

postosuchus

[foggy field]

DONT SCRAP CARCH

OR I WILL RIOT

[foggy field]

Nah, make it a Apex Speed demon, or a night hunter apex

[foggy field]

There is ways to make it unique

We can even Make Tarbo unique

Torvo

[ember chasm]

Name 5 ways to make it unique and I will consider it...

[limber hull]

oh no giga 2 what will we do without it

[foggy field]

Apex with very low weight and high speed, Apex Nigh Hunter, Quad Carch

[foggy field]

CARCH IS A VERY IMPORNT PIECE OF THE ROSTER TRUST ME

[ember chasm]

That's 4 and also makes zero sense.

[foggy field]

Tbh, is really hard to make him not a giga clone, but i think the devs will have someting in mind

[limber hull]

so a carchardontosaurid "apex" with "very low weight"

so acro

[ember chasm]

Exactly like ong

[foggy field]

But FAST not a brawler, more like a carno

[white elm]

AND THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, 4 LEGS

[foggy field]

An Apex that is a mid tier bully especialist

Kinda like was old acro on legacy

[ember chasm]

that just sounds like the four legged dilo ngl

[foggy field]

It does not excel agaist big game like giga

But trives against small targets

And would avoid other apexes

I would make him around 7.5tons

In between, acro and rex/giga

[ember chasm]

The only way I could see Carch being completely different from Giga is to pull a Bepi and make it aquatic, take some inspiration from the Carch(shark) part of its name.

But still I don't think its a good idea

[foggy field]

Spino is a thing

Has well

But yeah, unless the devs scrap him and Cory for good

They must have a good idea on how it will play out

[ember chasm]

the trio is already the best of the best, Spino, Rex and Giga, with their smaller cousins Acro, Alberto and Sucho. I don't think Carch is at all necessary.

But hey I don't work here, I am not against Carch I just see it as more work.

[covert tiger]

No it isn't
Old comments get outdated all the time
Everyone used to say rex trike won't be on officials and stego will get taken away
Now thats no longer the case

[wooden agate]

so literally no proof will suffice for you then

if dondi, the head of the game, is saying "yeah we have plans to try and get it to work" is not meaningful consideration and can be thrown out due to "being old", literally EVERYTHING they've said begins to fall under that category

[pallid cloud]

I think the rotting meat mutation idea should be unlocked by eating small amounts of rotted meat over time to fill up percentages to unlock before you are allowed to unlock it, every time you eat a rotting carcass you should get sick and gain a fractional amount of food but lose water until you can unlock it.

Or gain no food at all

[covert tiger]

Of course proof will be sufficient for me. But you aren't providing any proof at all.

Devs said no rex on officials
Then devs said yes rex on officials
So that means no rex on officials? I can quote an outdated comment and call it proof of that?
Okie dokie artichoke

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-normal-funny-ok-okey-gif-7922640151245132921

[limber hull]

the devs never said yes rex on officials. they said they wanted to try and see if it was possible to viably put rex on officials. the sentiment is still more likely no than yes

[covert tiger]

#isle-discussion message

Here ya go, this is what proof looks like

[limber hull]

oh i see

they actually went the full mile

[covert tiger]

Yes and I'm glad they did
Anyway, this is why outdated quotes are misleading

[limber hull]

So is telling people things are cancelled when no evidence points to it

[covert tiger]

I already agreed to change my phrasing rather than a straight up "nope"

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message 500????? is this satire

[limber hull]

as much as i'd love more players that seems rather silly

[past crystal]

200 at the MAX lol

[limber hull]

200 seems like kind of a sweet spot

[thick summit]

Yes

[limber hull]

we dont need so many that we're literally bumping into people constantly

but 200 is enough to make things feel alive imho

more players also means we dont need to be so overreliant on AI, which I think is a big bonus

[thick summit]

Islander has 235 player slots an it's perfect

[limber hull]

i mean... besides everything else about islander, i think the playercount sounds nice

[thick summit]

Indeed

[woeful latch]

500 is too much for the gateway

it’s not big enough for 500 players

[white elm]

#general-feedback message

just gonna pop this again, really good suggestion and would give beepy a good escape option against things like austro and deino

[eager socket]

Most unofficial hold 200 with Que well

[limber hull]

why do people dislike this so much lmao

the hell is that wrong with it

[white elm]

hell if people find it unbalanced I'd just make it so it can only climb rocks that are in lakes/rivers

[hidden mist]

Probably the latch part. I myself can't imagine how Beipi will cling onto something with those big claws xd

[woven bane]

beipi climbing seems odd, even if its a little

[hidden mist]

They would likely break under the weight...

Or won't even be able to logically bend for clinging.

[woven bane]

u escape deinos by going on land

[white elm]

I mean jesus christ beepy ALREADY has an underwater latch. Why not let latching be its thing?

[woven bane]

seems unnecessary

[white elm]

it would be fun and complement its design tho

[limber hull]

to be fair it does already latch

in fact it can latch to solid stone atm lmao

[woven bane]

that’s fine but latching on stones etc seems bizarre to me

why would u want that of all things for it lmfao

[hidden mist]

But that's in the water with buoyancy helping it? And it's latching vertically only iirc.

[limber hull]

bouyancy isn't helping it, it's actively working against its latch

[white elm]

Because it would help it escape things and flesh out its gameplay more. Dryo is getting a burrow, hypsi tree/cliff climbing, why can't beepy have a climb for water rocks?

Latch as it is right now is just kinda free food mode

[teal fulcrum]

it pains me to read that there are deinos who hunt these ducks with claws

[woven bane]

the dryo comparisons make no sense, beipi has its core mechanics implemented and there are ways to escape water predators. another problem with it is that it would look goofy

[white elm]

any less goofy than hypsi seemingly harnessing the power of suction pads to cling on? at least beepy has actually large claws

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1335122982548406272/91f0792a6129bb15c23d3e2e06c7822b57928a42.gif

[limber hull]

idk it gives me squirrel vibes i can see hypsi doing that

[white elm]

Herrera's claws aren't exactly the most adapted for climbing either.

The front claws are pretty good, but the feet claws are pretty blunt

Regardless of whether it would goofy or not, beepy climb would give it just a little more depth that it would really benefit from

its not like this would make it a herrera hunter either since the suggestion clarifies that it wouldn't even be able to climb trees or cliffs

[woven bane]

its more about the model of beipi making it look strange. herrera looks like it could climb

[white elm]

regardless this feels like nitpicking a bit

[woven bane]

i’d rather beipi gets something to complement its niche betters than this

[white elm]

why isn't this complementing this niche?

[woeful latch]

what is beipis niche tho?👀

[urban flax]

deino food

[woeful latch]

lmao

[hidden mist]

What if we give it a penguin slide

[woven bane]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-used-to-be-believable-baited-jebaited-bait-i-got-jebaited-gif-1296286127798996733

[gentle lichen]

@broken owl #general-feedback message

Was that on eu2 yesterday close to forkspond? If yes then i was one of the carnos.
Really no offense tho but if it was you we killed then you played it kinda bad. We had a smaller Maia a little later to fight and he did a pretty decent job giving us a bit more trouble tho.
Really no offence tho, it is a learning process to fight properly.
Just saying because if we buff every dinosaur just because its not easy to play them then its gonna be unbalanced.
Keep going. 👍☺️

[covert tiger]

@limber hull
No it isn't
It's one of those things that sounds really cool but makes no sense at all
Breaching is when the beipi is max speed and momentum, and slamming yourself onto a rock with brittle claws is not the smartest thing to do in that situation
Your comparisons to dryo and hypsi make no sense because beipi is already a complete dinosaur with plenty in its kit
Beipis claws and body in general absolutely do not look like they're built for climbing

[limber hull]

tf do i gotta do with it

i didnt write it

[coarse spruce]

I want better breaching so my map idea makes sense #general-feedback message

[carmine path]

Nah fix waterways so it isnt abysmal for (Semi)Aquatics

[covert tiger]

Are you serious?
You literally asked

[sick gale]

@tardy chasm I'd love it if oviraptor could also be a great nester. In reality, most oviraptor skeletons were found on top of their own nests, meaning that they stuck with their eggs as long as they could. The name just comes from the initial assumption that they were stealing said eggs.

[tardy chasm]

that would be pretty nice, especially because the only time Oviraptor/Oviraptorids have ever been depicted as good parents in popular before was in Prehistoric Planet iirc so for it to be a part of their kit here too would be neat.

[sick gale]

Thats what I love about them, more than the quirky egg thief lore.

[limber hull]

I still want Oviraptor to be the everything thief too. Imagine a creature so competent at stealing that it takes its omnivorous diet and starts stealing human rations too. It opens cans with its sharp, uniquely shaped beak, figures out how to pick up and use keycards to open doors to get more of that yummy food, learns the scent of it and tracks down humans in hopes of getting their snacks as they travel discretely through the jungle etc

Given that humans will inevitably be a part of the gameloop, why not allow oviraptor to engage with them in a way similar to how it already engages with dinos, as a little pest thief

[sick gale]

Absolutely! Make it do all the things. I just don't want its parenting skills being overlooked because of its name.

[limber hull]

It's shown being a pretty decent parent in its concept art so here's hoping

[coarse spruce]

I like this :)

except the keycard part but I understand the general jist

[wintry cipher]

Honestly that would be perfect and hilarious and would call out new humans vs old players very easilly because the old wouldnt waste ammo against something they can stab to keep off their food lol

[sick gale]

Maybe they could play around with ovi getting a buff around its nest, like a cera does by a body. So they don't get bullied by just anything, but it would be so situational that it shouldn't make it OP either

[hidden mist]

I'm not the author of the feedback, but I can't deny that Maia is not in the best condition right now. Mainly because of bugs (when it can't change stances if bitten), and weird hitboxes on attacks, which also have a very long endlag. I just want the animal to become comfortable to play as, because as of right now it’s a real pain in one place to deal with anything, tbh.

[frank tapir]

that should be maia

[broken owl]

It might of been but the thing is i couldn't see a thing due to the dark

[sick gale]

Maia has really good nutrient retention when feeding babies, so it can raise a lot of offspring with minimal food consumption. Can wat grass and keep feeding, saving the bushes for juvies.

[frank tapir]

I don't know, for a dinosaur named after being a good parent it doesn't have much in the way it plays that makes it feel like that

even just something like it's trot speed matching hatchlings and juvies when their close would be nice

[gentle lichen]

Well thats unfortunate but gameplay i guess. Idk how bright it was a tiny bit later cuz like i said there was another one shortly after.

[broken owl]

Also every move I used wasted stam so I couldn't get away either.

[green niche]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1336366544648929362 if this does happen (and i hope it does) it should also be a requirement that at least one survive to mid-juvie or even (sub)adulthood, otherwise you'll just end up with people who nest and immediately kill their offspring off

[gentle lichen]

hm then it might not have been you because this one didnt really try to get away.

[mellow laurel]

I think the parents should get something for nesting.But i don't think nesting should be required for being an elder, there could be a situation where someone wants to be an elder they have the diets food etc. but can't find another one of their kind to nest with, which could happen often (atleast on officials).Also kinda weird to have to nest to be old imo , could lead to situations where every single kid of someone dies and the other parent logs off and they have to find another dino of the other gender to nest and then their kids have to survive.

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message
"hpissy"

[sudden shell]

#general-feedback message
I misread imitation as limitation and got extremely confused.

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i was strongly against this before, because “socialization✨” but i would actually love to see this in the game as a mutation, as a solo player that usually plays as unpopular dinos i would really want to nest and help new players to grow.

not to mention any community server could easily remove that mutation if it’s such a problem

[stable crow]

^ Yess this, I basically only play Beipi and Dryo (also solo) so this would be amazing

[wintry whale]

@fleet yoke Please be more specific with your feedback, I’ll give you some time to edit your response

[normal shuttle]

suggest this to magy grabbing things like in the concept art

https://tenor.com/view/mini-kong-baby-kong-godzilla-x-kong-the-new-empire-godzilla-x-kong-king-kong-gif-1690763095950201508

no balls

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message well this is just a misinformation and lie💀😶‍🌫️

[severe idol]

Doing the rare thing of replying to one of these feedbacks...

I will never be asking people to moderate mixpacking. It's too much of a snowballing effect from "Oh he just happens to be too close" and having to shout people down to remove them because they wanted to be with their friends in a game that's realistically socially driven by the large, LARGE majority of people who see it as simply Herbivores Vs Carnivores with a few omnivore options in the middle.

Believe it or not despite what's seen in the rare posts about it - complaining or hating mixpacking is a pretty narrow slice of the players. It's just not worth the resources, headache, and heartache for the Official Server Admins to go back to that nightmare of dealing with babysitting servers with already dodgy admin consoles and commands.

[woeful latch]

exactly, if people want no mixpacks they should play on the servers with the rules.

they play on anarchy servers and expect people to follow their imaginary rules.

i don’t mixpack, but i love freedom of choice

[covert tiger]

I think most ppl aren't asking for it to become a social rule and have admins do manual labor of enforcing it
But rather a built in mechanism that debuffs you for hanging out with (and not attacking) others of different species

aka let them have the freedom to do whatever they want as long as they acknowledge the penalty for doing so

[normal shuttle]

Also I would like to add to this that it must be so draining and annoying to see all the “mixpacking” reports when most of them is just people getting third partied or salty because they got killed and someone else didn’t

I cannot fathom how many of those trash reports would appear if mixpacking wasn’t allowed

“Admin admin mixpacking ban!” Because a deino decided to kill another deino rather than fighting the stego on land

(Real case in another server)

[normal shuttle]

I know I might be risking farming so many ❌ and a big L with this, but I would like to suggest eventually that we should get some strain quickly alongside the elder system

That is the ultimate anti mixpacking solution that already existed in legacy and worked quite well outside of sandbox

I hate all of these mixpack debuff suggestions because they can simply be exploited to favor mixpackers

Instead why not having a dinosaur with a hunger so astonishingly brutal that it is forced to rampage everything that is too dumb to hide and cannot be harnessed in a group due to that astronomically high food demand?

Would be hard to balance for sure (even though strains are inherently unbalanced), but still would be less exploitable than having a debuff you can inflict on a solo player by having your vc friend troodon running around to inflict a debuff while the real deal of the mixpack runs in to finish the job

Progression type-H Rex was a monster to anything but another of its own or pue. Mixpacks and clans simply did not stand a chance against something that could heal bonebreak in like a minute

So I feel like suggesting that type-H carno should be a lower priority return with elders

[severe idol]

Its part of why we don't do it anymore. And our admin tools are kinda butts sometimes.

[normal shuttle]

I support that decision 100%

It must suck when you die to a mixpack or how they have an unfair advantage, but tbh the vast majority of deaths in this game can be prevented

Even as a solo player

[vestal vapor]

The Land before time is a great server, they just did a hardware update and have noticeable less bugs as well as a higher player count. Their discord is pretty chill too. They have mods and rules of conduct to make a more enjoyable experience.

Currently there are only so many official servers and they are set up with vanilla testing to ensure any issues are consistant and easier to replicate for troubleshooting.

@ripe spire

[bleak agate]

I think that’s ignoring the fact most people are asking for an organic mechanic to discourage mixpacking (debuffs etc) and not that admins are responsible for directly intervening. That is what I have read from those who dislike it.

[teal fulcrum]

I agree. If I want to play on croc and my friend on omni, we don't have to choose one species and deprive ourselves of the fun of the game
I think a lot of people do. when a friend wants to play another dino

[midnight heath]

The issue with "they should play on the servers with the rules." is that there aren't really any servers like that that are populated. Petits is the only one and it's not NA either, meaning if you want to play the game, you're going to have to play officials.

If there were a populated server with rules against for NA players, I assure you they'd be playing on them.

[woeful latch]

so you’re saying people playing on NA servers would rather sit in 100 people queue than creating a server and playing? like i highly doubt there’s none.

[midnight heath]

You've clearly not looked, and yes they would rather sit in queue with 100 people. It's not easy to sustain a server, let alone it won't suddenly be populated either.

[woeful latch]

and that all doesn’t matter, what matters is that people are playing on no rules server and expecting other people to follow some kind of rules

and that will never happen

[midnight heath]

Because what's the point of balancing creatures if you can just mixpack and remove all disadvantages from the table? I understand the nit-picking entirely.

[woeful latch]

even if the isle had some kind of anti-mixpack system it still won’t change anything, you need an actual moderation to do force people into playing with the rules. and that’s awful. i don’t want officials with the rules

[midnight heath]

Mixpacking nulls the balance the devs provide with these playables and their mechanics.

BoB isn't perfect, but their anti-mixpacking system does work without moderation the vast majority of the time. The issue stems from exploiting things like stress, debuffs, etc.

People aren't asking for a fix or a set amount of rules, they're asking for genuinely anything to discourage the behavior.

Also please, give me a populated NA server with rules that are against mixpacking.

[woeful latch]

alright, so will i get punished for staying near the pond deino is? because technically im near it and it should count as a mixpack.

or if there’s a random beipi i dont want to kill, will the game punish me for that?

[midnight heath]

Because I'm so, so very tired of people saying that and clearly not even bothering to fact check that there's a place to even go.

[woeful latch]

i just don’t see how anti-mixpack mechanic can be implemented without being awful and buggy and not working at all

not to mention i just don’t like it. i absolutely hate mixpackers, but i hate awful mechanics more

[midnight heath]

Like I said, they're looking for anything to discourage it so no. It's not an easy fix and I'm not asking for stress debuffs, I'm asking for anything.

And you know Beipi + Deino isn't what people are complaining about, it's 2 dilos, 4 omni, 3 carno and 8 diablos running together that they are upset about.

[woeful latch]

i see

well, tbh i just hunt them down and kill all of them for doing that.

[teal fulcrum]

on sp there is a rock at the waterfall that omni and herreras and beipi sit on all the time. I guess I'll have to wait for them to leave so I can swim there on deino lol. because I won't kill them

[midnight heath]

Here's something I came up with and people didn't hate either https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/778350260027129865/1233389458372563055

It's not debuffs or stress but a warning

Because the red pack icon doesn't help at all.

[pliant elm]

It would be great to know if developers are reading our suggestions and whether or not they agree. Therefore, why not leave an emote for "read and accepted" and another for "read and denied" that only the developers or the person responsible for reading these suggestions can use.

[midnight heath]

They do read them.

[pliant elm]

I honestly don't know if they read it, because they never talk and don't give any sign whether a suggestion is good and can be implemented or not

[midnight heath]

They have, and they've directly replied in there before and react to suggestions.

[woeful latch]

well tbf the way that red icon works is it appears only when you’re above the pack limit.

so basically if there’s like 2 ceras and 1 carno it won’t show the red icon.

but if there’s 3 ceras and one carno it will, because it counts the carnos pack limit which is 3 and the amount of dinos nearby is 4.

so basically if there’s a cera and 2 deinos it will show the red icon, because deinos pack limit is 2

[pliant elm]

Any sign would be good, because it seems like people are writing all the suggestions, and it won't do any good if they don't read them.

[woeful latch]

so what it means is it’s not necessary to have huge mixpack for the red icon to appear, instead it works when there’s more dinos than the pack limit is

[icy lion]

#general-feedback message

[midnight heath]

I was looking for that

[pliant elm]

3h cooldown 🙂

[icy lion]

It's pinned in #general-feedback

[icy lion]

I'm linking you to a specific message in that channel

[midnight heath]

That's why I suggested a new icon for this specifically, the red pack icon I've genuinely never found helpful and it's what a lot of people pose as a warning for avoiding mix packs when it doesn't work.

[midnight heath]

Thank goodness, I was looking through the history instead.

[pliant elm]

Why did you delete the message about the dillo clone bug? More people reading it would help it be resolved faster. Don't you think so?

[icy lion]

#general-feedback isn't for bug reports

[pliant elm]

but people will read it, they will test Dillo and its clone and there will be more reports about the bug and thus helping to resolve it

[icy lion]

#🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 goes directly to our QA team and the devs. It has a specific layout for a reason, most people who try to report bugs in #general-feedback don't include the necessary information which is why we don't allow people to use it for bug reports

[midnight heath]

Amar0k has been working hard fixing bugs as of late, I can't imagine that they don't already know.

[pliant elm]

So could I make a suggestion about a bug that asks people to test and report it in the correct channel?

[icy lion]

No

[pliant elm]

😦

ok

[thick summit]

@eternal moss I, a carno main, don't think Carno should just get stunned by a tail slam

Carno is a hit and run playable. Bait the teno's attacks, be patient and attack when you see an opinion

Carno requires a lot of skill

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

we need more biomes
coastal is irrelevant
snowy mountain on a tropical island

How would a snowy mountain NOT be irrelevant but coastal is

[white elm]

[agile stirrup]

you said that backwards lol

[limber hull]

said what backwards

[urban flax]

I'm okay with a snowy mountain if it's high enough
But it probably wouldn't get visited often

However a "permanently fall" biome makes no sense, especially on an island that knows no fall season

[limber hull]

no food, no water, no value. It'd be more worthless than the coasts he hates

[urban flax]

There could be mammoths up there for apexes

[hollow mirage]

#general-feedback message
Im confused i don't think teno claws do that much to be nerfed?

[gentle lichen]

Nah teno is good as it is tho

[night obsidian]

@gentle lichen about your feedback suggestion. The problem with dibble and stego being so boring is that we lack big carnivores that are capable of standing a fair chance against them. And while I think tasks like maybe marking territory by scratching trees or knocking them over or something similar would be neat. I still think the main problem lies in the lack of big carnivores. Better wait until bigger ones are dropped.

[gentle lichen]

I see the problem that there is to many big dinosaurs in general.
All the attention goes in the big ones and the small ones are getting forgotten. I dont want more big ones, i want more small ones. I already hate rex and trike when it isnt even out yet.

Stego would also have an enemy already if we would just remove the tailhit without stam again

[night obsidian]

The problem is we don't have the server capacity to support that many small dinos. I love the idea of the ecosystem being built up properly. But if we have 1 trodoon pack of 10. The a couple of beipis, pteranodon s etc. Almost all of the server slots will be used up already and the map empty. So unless we get bigger Servers (at least 200 which is still not much) we won't have a proper ecosystem with small tiers up to big tiers.

[night obsidian]

I'm looking forward to dinos like austroraptor etc. But our current server capacity doesn't support players actively taking smaller dinos. 100 is just not enough

[gentle lichen]

But why are they there then? They need to increase it. The small dinosaurs have such nice mechanics tho.
Austro i also cant wait for.

[night obsidian]

Well the isle is a difficult topic . We have many things that we should and shouldn't have. I just hope the right decision are made and we get more and bigger Servers. Like this it can't continue

[limber hull]

@sage hollow Now, just making sure, but have you heard of the EVRIMA branch? Because it seems like you're discussing legacy atm

[urban flax]

He's a time traveler from the past

[sage hollow]

I have played The Isle Evrima for a long time and these are my conclusions on what could be improved in the game 🙂

[green niche]

the third point you mentioned are attacks that are already in the game

[urban flax]

Actually, every point already is

[sage hollow]

I meant to add even more of them

[urban flax]

Collisions ? Check
Visible wounds ? Check
Special attacks ? Check, including the ones you mentioned : stego tail attacks, raptors latching on prey

[sage hollow]

I still see a problem with collisions in this fun game. Grass and plants do not respond to the Dniosaurus model. And often the models overlap.

[urban flax]

Plants do respond, plant physics have been implemented for several plants already
And dinos do collide with each other

[sage hollow]

It still early access right ? So I thought it will be a good idea to add some of mine and write it down on the discord ...

[covert tiger]

@sage hollow I am very confused with your post
We have so many unique attacks and mechanics for every dinosaur, that is one of the biggest standout things in the game
Biting is actually not the most common form of combat

Collisions are already in game as well
Vegetation trampling ive heard may be added at some point

[sage hollow]

Thanks for the responses! I see I missed quite a lot – my suggestion was mainly based on not following the game's progress closely. If these mechanics are already in the game, that’s awesome! In that case, maybe it would be worth refining and expanding them even further? For example, making collisions more dynamic or adding more variety to wound effects?

[indigo gulch]

I think lord knight means more permanent marks after combat. Like scars etc

[sage hollow]

Yes exactly !!!

[indigo gulch]

Which would be cool ngl. Also good to see what dino has survived a lot of combat

[covert tiger]

We have temporary scars
I guess permanent would be good to have as well

[indigo gulch]

Fear the troodon with a lot of permanent scars

[sage hollow]

[covert tiger]

So you haven't played the game yourself recently?

[sage hollow]

I played it yesterday

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

1. Turn on plant physics. Trampling plants is also actively being worked on and was shown by one of the devs in a stream. Ie: grass will be trampled and leave a clearer trail when someone moves through an area and slowly grow back over time. Dinosaurs can collide with one another but its specific body parts so that could afford some work. For example teno or maias hind legs.

2. The wounded status reduces your damage for an extended period if you take a certain amount of damage. Broken bones and fractures also exist for longer debuffs. Kissen has stated while she would love to have scars, the server load would be rather immense to track for each individual player to make sure it looks correct for everyone else. So i dont think this will be a priority for a while.

3. ....we literally can already do this. Omni can latch AND pin. Deino can drag you underwater. Teno can knock you down with a tailslam. Diablo can block, parry, and knock you down, pachy can fracture your skull and blind you. Dryo can dodge attacks. Hyspi can spit to blind you. Herra can drop out of and climb trees and terrain to kill prey.

[covert tiger]

Which dinosaur if I may ask?
Have you tried any rmb attacks?

[wintry cipher]

Did you turn on manual alt attack in you menu?

[sage hollow]

Tyrannosaurus for example

[wintry cipher]

Because you start out locked to only doing alt attacks

Rex is not in evrima....

[covert tiger]

My guy, you are not playing the actual game 'evrima'.
You are on an old outdated branch called legacy.

https://imgur.com/wpZNmO7

Please follow the above

[wintry cipher]

@plush vault Nah just a confused newbie false alarm

[sage hollow]

Oh wow, I had no idea I was still playing on Legacy! My bad for the confusion, and I really appreciate you all pointing it out. Sorry for the trouble, and I hope you can forgive my mistake. I'll make sure to check out Evrima and get up to date. Thanks again!

[wintry cipher]

Yeah youre gonna be in for a wild ride lmao

Its changed a lot since legacy just hasnt been switched to main branch yet. Happens more than you realize

[covert tiger]

No worries at all, you're gonna have a lot of fun in evrima

[sage hollow]

Yeah, I guess I have to pay for my mistakes now ...

[covert tiger]

If you want to delete your post from #general-feedback it may be helpful or people may ping and annoy you

[sage hollow]

Okay, thanks !

[wintry cipher]

Lucky for you rex is coming soon to Evrima so you wont have to wait eons at least. Dunno when but its close

[covert tiger]

Google 'evrima quick guide' and 'vulnona map' (select gateway at the top) to get started

[sage hollow]

Again thank you very much !

[plush vault]

i was thinking u were confusing the evrima branch with legacy

oops wrong person

[night obsidian]

Plants miraculously move when entering your screen without somebody touching them... Yes they work when somebody touches them. But it is unreliable because they always move even when nobody is there. Body collisions? Yea we have a small point in the models that has collision but the models still clip into each other and are not colliding properly. So yes we have those features but I would give them both 3/10 points because they need great improvement

Besides, only 2 types of plants have collision set up. Every other bush or tree has no physics whatsoever

[plush vault]

this is the best suggestion i have ever read, would love to see this in game

[grizzled matrix]

I absolutely agree!

[quick talon]

What is this weird poop outline ?

also how can we make the fruit fall off the tree here?

we tried everything, every attack

It doesn't fall off

[radiant nest]

There’s no fruit anymore on that

[quick talon]

Oh, you're right. Lemme just log out and wait another 40 minutes to log back in to get that fixed then :D

[quick talon]

Or it might just be my Schizophrenia

[wintry cipher]

Thats the default texture that usually displays blood. Usually means the graphics settings were altered without a restart. Youll have to relog to fix that.

Theres no fruit- i think that tree is the one usually with the fat green fruits on it. You just smell it because the tree (ie fruit for you) is edible but your dino cant reach the leaves to eat it.

[coarse spruce]

These were the numbers I got from troodon when testing against cera, teno and dilo

[woven bane]

sad

[coarse spruce]

Stage 1 and 2 weren't always consistent, but I can definitely say with confidence that stage 3 always deals 100

[woven bane]

i got inconsistent results aswell when i tested it

[coarse spruce]

I only tested this three times on dilo, but a stage 3 bite is 45

[foggy zinc]

thank you for your testing ❤️

[eager quartz]

when is next dino comming out?

[icy lion]

Read rule 10 #rules-and-info

[eager quartz]

mb

does that also mean i cant ask what dino is comming first of the 5 that got shown?

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i wonder why they did this

[desert arch]

Ah yes, lets nerf an already severely underplayed and underperforming playable, because thats logical 😭

[woeful latch]

i mean, is there a chance it’s a bug or something? it’s so weird

[desert arch]

After the teno shadow nerfs I have no hope left

[woven bane]

no, i don’t think so

[upbeat lance]

I believe it's more of a "the devs saw what happened to No Man's Sky and even if the content is going to happen eventually, they don't want the community to get angry if it gets delayed so they avoid commenting until the update is dropping." There is no rule against discussing it with other community members or discussing speculation in channels other than this one, but the devs won't answer anything about timelines unless it is already in the middle of being added to a public branch.

[desert arch]

35, 45, 60 and 100dmg is so sad

[woven bane]

@weak yacht curious as to why you disagree?

[desert arch]

-20dmg gone from stage 2 and stage 3 dmg 😭

[eager quartz]

nah i get that but its still nice to know what dino comes yk? also i didnt see a post (that im aware off) that maia was at hordserver. can you show me where if they did?

[icy lion]

Check out the devblogs to see the progress on upcoming dinos

[eager quartz]

yea but where? what channel? or on steam???

[icy lion]

In #announcements and on Steam

[eager quartz]

thnx

[icy lion]

@pliant elm The devs leave reactions on posts, when they do, it brings that post to a channel for the dev team to see it

[pliant elm]

Do they react with the same emote everyone else uses? Wouldn't it be better to leave a fixed emote that only they can use. Searching name by name in your suggestion to find out if a dev reacted is quite annoying and I honestly never saw any of their names in the reactions

[icy lion]

It's a fixed emote

[pliant elm]

which emote?

[icy lion]

Usually this

[pliant elm]

Oh, I see. thank you very much

[woeful latch]

yeah lol

[woeful latch]

i wonder if they will compensate that with something, they must

[desert arch]

Probably some negative effect for the venom, or a whole new mechanic, idk what else could warrant a 20% dmg nerf

[pliant elm]

It would be nice if they reduced the stam cost when running and when using pounce

[desert arch]

I did some rough math, teno takes 4 extra pounces to kill with this nerf, not counting for the venom resetting 😭

So in reality its probably more

[pliant elm]

increasing the duration of the poison would also help a lot, dillo with its poison that lasts 5 minutes during the day and 10 minutes at night and troodon with its poison that lasts a maximum of 60 seconds

[woven bane]

not enough to compensate it, this nerf made troodon worse in an area it was already struggling in kinda

[pliant elm]

It wouldn't compensate for all the damage caused to Troodon with this nerf, but it would help a little

[woven bane]

hope the dmg goes back to how it was

[pliant elm]

this is also a good solution xd

but the troodon really needs to be reworked, especially in its stam cost

[thick summit]

erm

akshully...dilo doesn't have poison

it has venom

[faint folio]

Some languages do not have separate words for toxic substances depending on method of delivery. The isle is a global community and many people translate to English for the discord. We all clearly understood what was meant. A correction isn't needed

[plush kernel]

why do i have 145h for another /unstuck ?!

[thick summit]

still

[faint folio]

If you want to get really pedantic about it, poison IS correct, as it is the more general term, covering all substances which can kill or seriously injure humans, animals, or other lifeforms. All venom is poison, but not all poison is venom.

[thick summit]

yeah but venom is applied by bites, scratches, etc. and poison is applied by coming in contact with a substance when attacking a poisonous animal. And yes, you're right

[woeful latch]

that would be amazing

[desert arch]

Any negative effect to the venom that isnt worse dilo fog 🙏

[woeful latch]

oh alright, its not as bad as i thought, but i wonder whats the point tp nerf it in first place?

[desert arch]

If youre envenomated by a troodon you can still sniff, whereas with dilo you cant
Bruh moment

[woeful latch]

i never see anyone even asking for troo nerf

its like the devs are trolling

[desert arch]

Praying its so they can actually add a negative effect to the venom now 🙏

Also 4 extra pounces is with venom not resetting, so its likely more in a real scenario

[woeful latch]

yeah ive noticed that too, even tho i hate not being able to smell i think its a great tool confuse your prey

[desert arch]

I have, one person

They asked for missed pounce recovery

[woeful latch]

yeah.. but it could be worse tbh...

[desert arch]

Ig, but still, just why 😭

[woeful latch]

idk😭

[desert arch]

They saw me and my friends play prob X)

[woeful latch]

lmaoo

[desert arch]

K/D ratio was too good ig 😇

[woeful latch]

what it was?

[desert arch]

?

[woeful latch]

the k/d ratio? just wondering since you're pretty good troodon

[desert arch]

Ohh

[woeful latch]

like sometimes i dont want to post my teno clips, because i fear the devs will see it and nerf teno even more💀

[desert arch]

We divided enemy growth time (in minutes) total by 55 × how many times we died
And we kept getting like 11.00 sessions

So uh, yeah

Lots of things dead, usually with a lot of deaths as well but its troodon so who cares

[desert arch]

Iirc our best session was 17.6

[woeful latch]

ohh

[woeful latch]

not bad not bad

[desert arch]

If we play other thinsg we rarely go above 5

Just sayin

[woeful latch]

tbh i just hope they nerfed the damage to give troodon some kind of new ability or something else in return, i just refuse to believe they straight up nerfed the damage

[desert arch]

Mimicry 😍

[woeful latch]

have you tested its stamina cost per pounce or something? maybe stam in general or venom duration?

[desert arch]

Its all same

[woeful latch]

eh

[desert arch]

😔

[woeful latch]

sad times :(

[desert arch]

Troodon buffs next HT better go hard

[woeful latch]

little toe biter deserves love

[desert arch]

Otherwise Im becoming a tree hypsi with Glazed

[woeful latch]

kissen was talking about major rebalance and stuff coming, i just hope they will do some proper balancing

[woeful latch]

join us lmao

[desert arch]

Venom affecting running stamina 🙏