#beta-discussion
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True... I guess no one got a seriously high amount of candles... I mean, we easily get hundreds of candles from a season...
I guess we'll see when the update comes... If TGC thinks it's best to remove normal candles, then it's beta being beta...
If necessary, regular candles may be reset as well, but i hadn't seen reports of folks having hundreds or thousands of reg candles that would warrant a reset.
Maybe I’m just the dumb one who opened their bit yap 🤐
Oh no... Please don't reset my candles back to 200....i totally don't have like 13 right now.... Yes bugs... Awful.... Reset is needed /lh /j
Might have to go see that Rich Star Collector spirit. Maybe I can invest my Seasonal Candles in his star racket and shield them from Ktjn the tax man.
Tgc didn’t talk about IAPs from day of fortune/nature and other events randomly appearing in our closets though, will those get deleted till the event actually come up ?
probably not, having the outfit items doesn't hurt anything, the candles on the other hand does hurt future season testing.
still no quests iwi
Skybot ate them
Does the currency reset include gift passes? It’ll make for a nice party trick for the newcomers if it stays
Ktjn is the Robin Hood of sky
If you have more than 200 candles she'll take them from you and will distribute them amongst the poor skids like me... Went from 13 candles to 200 in a second
Is the testing server crashed?
The krills need the candles to fund their daily light feast
3 krill mouths is a lot to feed 
Can the daily tasks be displayed now
@vestal barn nope. I just checked about a minute ago.
Is anyone having a hard time getting missions? I click the button but nothing seems to happen can we do dailies though?
If I fly around forest, will I see eg shining spirits and things like that?
yes daily still down... not sure if the shine is up
Beta dailies have been synced with live for a week or so, attempting to do the same quests doesn’t seem to work
the beta daily quest schedule ran out, small oversight on my part
it requires a new build to fix, but since we're not really testing anything at the moment, consider it an opportunity to take a break from beta and rest 
Back to sneep until the next major currency bug 
15.5 just released to live. Finding bugs in the live version can also be fun if you want your bug hunting fix while waiting for beta updates. 
Of course… but I haven’t encountered any 
doubt we will get a beta update until the final quest in live
sc and ap generation seemed to be stopped for me.. finally
what would happen if someone was to get to the bit limit(s) or higher in candles or gift passes? Would sky beta just die for them and only them, or would they take the servers down with them?
Depends on the game/program in question, but look up "integer overflow" on Wikipedia -- that's one possibility of what might happen
Sky is 64 bit... an integer overflow would need to be over 2^64-1 or 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 if the currency is saved as a 64 bit value (more than likely)
watching this bug ive noticed there are no commas in the item counts
surprising but also makes sense
Probably because we shouldn’t actually ever reach values that would really need commas in ordinary gameplay 
we just need some new thing be tested
true, true
it's either 32 or 64 bit, and yes it would likely crash, go negative, or revert to zero, i forget which.
time to find out
cya in a few million years
Personal guess is that it’d go negative, because I remember seeing negative values on the candles before when the game was being weird and showing doubled candle costs when we bought stuff
if it crashed i wonder if it would stay crashed or just revert after crashing 
devs should play roulette and give someone 9,223,372,036,854,775,806 candles to see what happens 
I challenge someone to get this many candles and crush their games from being rich
moral of the story: going into enough debt makes you rich instead 
When a Future build comes, RIP my previous 8 Seasonal Passes
Oh no my 100k seasonal candles why tgc

Waiting for information about the beta update 
there isn't one atm... we r just Waiting 🧘
It's weekend so beta will be sneeping till next week 
hi

Hello
hey hey
Are there any new information of the beta update?
Beta testers don't know when things will happen in Beta
Any Beta announcements will be made in #beta-announcements!
this recent bug remind me of those fake hacking video like "Instant 99999 Candles 😱😱"
my brain just hurt from that candle spam oml
Somehow sad to see how many beta bugs are on live now :(
Heart trade bug didn't appear to me on beta nor is it on live, so I shouldn't take it to heart but... the effort of those testers who repeatedly reported it on beta....
we didnt tested that visiting hideout quest tho
Ye.. I'm referring to those bugs that were up for testing and repeatedly reported.
might wanna look up the pinned messages
although at least there isn't any super critical bugs
Yes, no bugs are critical, but not being able to trade hearts kinda is a bug that was known and would be fair to be mentioned in known issues imho
known issues should be written in #known-issues or #beta-known-issues, not the pinned messages
im not saying known bugs are or should be written in the pinned messages
im just saying bugs leak into live due to the reason said in one of the pinned messages
Please note—we will reset seasonal currency counters to 0 once the bug has been fixed.🤣
According to the pinned message it was decided that heart trading is a nice-to-have feature, so it being broken for a lot of players wasn't important enough to be fixed before live release.
its just another deadline thing
The more game breaking bug for switch is more of a concern , not that we could test it but a shame as the whole reason of limited updates now is due Nintendo's policy
See this message from Ktjn:
#beta-discussion message
Sometimes bugs make it to live because they were discovered after the new update for live is send for review to nintendo.
This reply is for isca? Because I'm talking about the bugs that were discovered and reported on beta. Nintendo is another topic.
But you were saying that you don’t understand why bugs that are reported on beta make it to live. Ktjn is answering this in her message.
Edit: If you click the link and read further down you can see Ktjn talking more about the topic and it having to do with the fact that they have nintendo as a platform now. She mentions that without nintendo hotfixes for mobile would come earlier as well.
I did understand. It was considered as nice-to-have feature and not critical enough. Please don't twist my words. Never did I say I don't understand.
I encountered a very terrible problem in the game
You can ping me I don't mind.
I get what you mean by bugs from beta making it to live
My POV was that none of the bugs we found in beta were game breaking (although the hearts one is close to being and I guess the deadline for submission ran out on that one)
However the switch bugs they got really are game breaking for some, which in the middle of a season causes all sorts of issues.
Edit: so tgc would be focussed on fixing that one.
Respect your position though. I was disappointed when beta bugs I reported made it to live the first time too, until the Devs explained
What I'm trying to say is of course I'm disappointed as a tester.. as you say. But also the lack of informing players. Live players atm are taking and reporting the heart trade issue as something that happened out of the blue. Switch crashes are at least mentioned on known issues.
Fair criticism. Would be good to put that down in feedback channel's just in case they don't read it here though
Me with my 1 GB of available space out of 16GB 
Don't forget that it's the weekend and the team deserves to rest 
i wonder will AP's be reset aswell?
Probably yes ^^
Players are receiving thousands of seasonal candles and gift passes when going about their usual in-game activities
Is that the visual bug that shows up AP and seasonal candles bug? Or Something else
Also the holes for the event reopen again. Good Cooldown 5 minutes
? What AP ? We got AP ?
gift passes
FIVE MINUTE COOLDOWN GOOD GOD, anyway they'll probably get reset soon too, either because of the glitch or because they won't exist anymore soon
you can gift adventure passes to friends
no, ap's arent being removed the ability to pre order them will be, you will still be able to gift your friend passes you just will only be able to buy them when the season starts, which will be rather sad but hey atleast everyone gets the 30 bonus now
Yes it is about the seasonal candles and AP bug
Sorry for the ping I forgot to remove it
It's ok.
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are there no daily quests in beta rn or is it a bug i should report?
Is it alright to ask here what iOS devices supports the portrait mode? Edit: but it’s not out in live yet 
i think you should ask #questions-and-help since this is a channel for beta discussion
edit:
oh sorry i thought you meant something else
are there iOS devices that don’t support portrait mode? imo it’s not really worth playing in atm except to take photos because quality is so much worse than in normal rotation
all ios devices support it, it's my main mode when playing on an ipad
Ohh I wonder what the quality is like. Thanks for the responses 
Is the grandma event in live yet?
I want to offer one idea for the new season (this is not mine)
Ideas and such go into #wishlist-and-ideas-archived
Is it just me or did this seasons constellation disappear? Or is it over in beta ? 
the season of flight ended several weeks ago in beta
Ah, thank you :~} and I never noticed, but the season constellations do go away once the season is done being tested or is over in beta, correct ?
Seasonal constellations disappear once the season concludes in general, both live & beta
Emm
Guys is it normal to have gotten thousands of season candles suddenly?
Also, I can't see today's quests
yes. the seasonal candles/passes are a #beta-known-issues. quest rotation ran out for beta so it needs a new build to update, ktjn said to just see it as a break 
O no… I think the heart sending bug from beta made it to live with this last update. And right before a double heart event…rip
How they call it again…. uh! Disaster! 🧜🏻♀️
Will you go into more detail about this bug in beta? I haven't been able to receive hearts from any of my friends for almost 2 months now. I can still send them with no problem. Submitted bug report but didn't see anyone else mention anything like this, so I'm wondering if you experienced the same?
Yes. There are like 5 or maybe more of my friends in beta that can send me hearts just fine. But when I try to send to them it gives me my candles back. My other friend can’t send to them either. It like their account blocks hearts. See vid: #beta-screenshots-videos message I’ve had people tell me they are having the same problems in live too after the last update. I don’t send a lot of hearts there so I haven’t come across it yet there
That's exactly what happens for any of my friends when they try to send me hearts... even live in game, the animation just stops after I hit accept. So bizarre!! Thank you for the info, at least I'm not the only one and others reported it too. Hate to hear it got to live though 😔

I've reported the bug very long ago. It happened to me everytime a friend offer to trade hearts face to face, the person who first offer the heart can send it everyday. The person who accept and offer back will have this problem.
I have no issue when trading through constellation without meeting them
I just experienced this on live.I couldn’t gift a heart back to my friend.I tried sending them through the constellation too but it didn’t work
I wonder what will happen during the Double Heart event 
Anyone dont have the seasonal candle bug too ? I have nothing 😂 On the other hand, I have the one that makes me no longer see the daily quests
Mine comes and goes. I didn’t have it for like 3 days then it popped back in and now it’s gone again. I think everyone has the quest bug
It's known, everyone has it and won't get fixed until the next update: #beta-discussion message
I just saw someone with the gratitude fur cape, should i report them or was this obtainable in beta at some point?
Never hurts to report. If they got it legitimately, they won't get in any trouble
Just report it.. if it is not hacked content, their account won't get Banned anyway
I still wondering if i should report those Owl acc i meet few times in Beta too, didn't Progress Wipe came after the Rythim Season ?
The wipe came before rhythm. Rhythm was too short for there to be many with the owl hair, but there are some players who got it legitimately. Still as before: no harm in reporting. If the player got the cosmetic legitimately, they won't face any issues due to a report.
I have a friend from China with Gratitude pendant, aslo Bonfire from Belonging. Should i report him?
We don’t need to be the hacker police. Report if you want to.
ive seen someone with Deer Mask in Beta, i have a friend with a gratitude cape
My friend has the deer mask on beta, but she isn’t a hacker. She also has the umbrella.
@eager harness grat, belonging and light came before rhythm, if there was a progess wipe they would be gone. from what my understanding is from that message
Deer mask is unobtainable in beta since there was a progress wipe after that season. Unless they were gifted it from TGC directly, they got that mask via methods that breaks TOS.
I might be confusing the mask with live. I have her on both. She definitely is legitimate.
oh this is about beta not live :/ if she has it in beta shes a hacker or was gifted. if she has it in the regular game then its legit maybe
I know it’s beta, don’t worry. I was thinking it was on beta, but since you said there was the progress wipe, I might be confusing them.
I’m sorry if I confused you.
#beta-discussion message no one should have ults legitimately (unless TGC gifted the user the item, in which case a report would not hurt the user) from Lightseekers or Gratitude. 
is anyone else not able to get into beta? it says it expired? •_•
i hope the ap gifting will not be removed in live:") I can't afford ap and my friend is only gifting mee
There wasn't any announcements about removing that feature. What makes you think they'll remove it, especially since they just added more IAP gifting with the latest live update?
well i saw on noob mode's yt channel
Maybe you're confusing this with the preorder system getting removed ?
You can still buy the APs and gift them, but you can't preorder them anymore after flight
Which means you have to buy the AP(s) as the season begins
This Chat channel is cozier and 🗿 than gen chat
there's not much going on in beta right now other than an infinite candle bug. just wait for a big update to pop up, there will always be discussions happening then 
Have you heard about #cozy-sky-discussion ?
mines fine
If your beta app says it expired, you haven't updated it in 90 days. Which doesn't sound like you're very active. 
My current beta update says I still got 71 days
Well it might get Removed if lots of people abuse the system by Scamming others
So it is all depend on the Player to keep the System stay at Live
I met a guy since season of dream, he got deer mask, furry cape, campfire and even BLUE jelly umbrella ,so I report him every time when I was able to jump to him. BUT sadly he's still alive, instead of being banned for 3000years
I remember we should have 1 Cake Candle near Entrace of Forest Gate area at BETA
Which was part of the Candle moved from Dream Village hot spring
Is it not implemented in Live ? Or is it bugged ? If it Bugged, i should report this on Live Bugs report
I'm asking here because i know that others than Beta Player wouldn't know this new Placement. So i want to see if any of you see it in Live now.
I never noticed these candles in beta either XD where are they? (Yes skybot I know I know ) ~~oh wow skybot not telling me to look for myself?
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Mmmm the only extra candle cake before Forest entrance that I remember was the bugged one that appeared in the end-of-the-rainbow location, where there wasn’t any rainbow visible at that time (the other end-of-the-rainbow candle cakes appeared as well back then, it was a bug)
Ah i see it was Rainbow Bugs Candle
Thanks for confirming ^^
This mean it might be part of Daily Mission rainbow that accidentally got triggered that time XD
I wonder with how hard the eden rock hit now
Why not removing the reset time of Eden and instead letting Player able to enter daily with max of 15 candle Per Day ?
Or maybe increase the Amount of Ascended Candle got from Eden because it is harder to even get into the last Water area of Eden, reducing the Candle amount to 13 or 14 for around 120 wings
When will you experience the public beta?
see #beta-faq
When is the test service account open?
Quick question, is anyone else unable to see the daily quests in beta? I'm still sending in a bug report. Just curious
no one can see the quests;
#beta-discussion message
Because that's not what limited currency is about. Most online games have a weekly limited currency. It's been like that for over a decade. (Almost two decades to be precise) 
I hope TGC will add new Hide Ui Menu (wing buff, controller, jump) in setting (ON - OFF). It helpful if android want to clean record like IOS. Since android have software limit.
It's even worse on Switch. You can't even get clean screenshots like you can on mobile. A "Hide UI" option would be nice.
Hmm, actually, a hide UI feature could work better for Android (and switch ?) instead of trying to implement an in game recorder ( which seems hard to do with the varied hardware )
The downside to this is that, well, it's invisible
Pros, no UI recorded
You win some, you lose some
The Limited Currency you said is actually not that special and felt unbalanced because Most Items we got from it are even less than 2 hour or not Permanent
If a Game have Limited Currency, they could be used to buy something Extra Ordinary that make Player want to grind it Daily.
If a Game put Limited Currency that can only be used for Temporary Times or even have Price more than what it worth, then it is eventually became a Waste of Time to Grind them
I guess wing buffs aren't extra ordinary. Other items purchased with AC are for players who already have the base wing buffs.
Size and Wing Buff are the only Permanent one so far ? Or is there any other that permanent too ?
Overall other spell can be received from Constellation too, except that Krill Spell but even that might get put in Constellation sooner or later too
Just those. While I do agree there should be more items for sale with AC, I do see the point why TGC doesn't as right now new players need at least a couple of months to get all base wing buffs.
A year and half maybe ? Or less depending on TS too
Since we got more wings on realm now and more season incoming too
No, there's roughly 130ish AC required to complete the base constellation wing buffs. About 9 weeks if you get at least 15 AC a week. TS I would consider more of "bonus wing buffs" until 12 wedges are available... since you can just barely get 11 wedges with base wing buffs and all realm WL.
sky isn’t really meant to be a fast-completion game either. even as it stands now wing buffs are the absolute easiest to max out on overall (compared to stuff like emote upgrades, seasonal stuff, etc.) if you’re not counting the TS buffs. imo I would honestly prefer more expensive wing buffs so AC wouldn’t feel so useless in less than 4 months of playing. yeah u can get resizes but in terms of game progression they become non-essential. not really a discussion that’s specific to beta in any way though
Tier 3 wing buffs when? Imagine the price on them. 
Yes if TGC create Hide UI option in setting, android can do the same thing like iOS user , and perfect ! Rather than fix google recorder, also emote menu is invisible. Haha.
Idk maybe like 500-750
😂
Just imagine the pain trying to get them all when you finish eden 
For 1+ years players it's not that impossible at all and could give old players who like goals some new ones
Invisi cape would be a nice goal, too 
Why not add a free camera option?
wish first 4 old season coming back with a area so those quest giver can stay forever xD
Maybe invisible cape already exists in live but it's.... invisible
Maybe there are already 10 invisible krill in our home 
Wait... Is it really on live?
No it’s not.
Oh great... Because I know, it's not.. Thanks!
Apologies if this is common knowledge or posted somewhere, but I cannot access daily quests in beta…is this intentional?
Not intentional: #beta-discussion message
Thank you!! It’s hard for me to keep up. 💕
This is probably the longest time wait at least for me. 😂 i started beta during assembly
wait they're removing preorders? noooo why
Please keep Live topics to those channels. If you feel removing pre-orders is bad, you can let TGC know in #live-feedback
Just to answer, they are changing the process of buying ap. Going forward, we are to buy them as soon as the new season starts and everyone, including ap that is gifted to a friend, gets 30 extra sc.
ooh so theyre moving the extra 10 from preorder to the regular ap
good to know thank you!
Anyone know when next invite wave is
(Idk where the announcement for the dates is lol)
I wonder why they decided to do that, buts it’s really nice they are doing that
#beta-signup-info, but you should also check #beta-faq to read more about invite waves ! 
i feel like they probably switched it since preorders caused a bunch of hostile confusion when people didn't read that the pendants would look like TLP pendant until flight started. I think they'd like to avoid that again 😅 but I'm sure there's more to it
there aren't any scheduled dates for invite waves
ah so sorry for the cold ping 
I think they specified that the change were "due to changes to update procedures and scheduling"
This was probably a long running decision
It was more concerned confusion (or at least the one at #seasons-events-chat was) 
Even if there are no Pre Order
I hope that TGC atleast did do early Announcements like A Week before the Season Starts
Because if we buy when the Season Start, there might be people that is not ready to buy them and Ended up Losing some Days just to save money to buy these Seasonal Pass
I think a lot of that type of confusion is resolved now with the in game messaging system
It’s nice to see messages from devs on potential problems, I always wondered how one would be able to contact them if one didn’t have discord
Give new season ☺️☺️☺️
where's the new season?
I ate it 
😂
I do not know, I am still asking for this new season☺️😒The new season hasn't even started yet
Maybe we should stop the skybot eat any new season?
it will come one day, but probably not before the final quest in live
Season of Peas
wait whaaa
We may get a teaser like how they dropped the flight teaser a little early than usual
When will the beta quota be released?
Guys I have a question, I want to download Sky:COTL beta but it says "The early access program is currently full.Space may open up later." Why is that?
I suggest viewing #beta-faq for starters
There aren't any open slots because they don't need new testers right now. Without a set schedule for beta invite waves, there's no telling when the next wave will be 
Beta will have invites again when they need more testers so if there is no invites or space, then you must wait other than that, check out #beta-faq and get the roles for future pings <3
I love seeing people report live bugs on the beta bugs channels, it's cute 
5 mins slowdown? Ouch 
Not the ones they were reporting @vivid cave
Those were bugs about the quests that couldn't be finished, in beta, we don't even have quests anymore XD
but its kinda the same tho lol
since they can be fixed on beta as well
ikr @gentle tusk
i thought, it was fixed already, since i got in yesterday xD
we wont have quests anymore? lol
live is ahead of beta rn im pretty sure
live 179644
beta 179643

the fact that the builds are quite similar doesnt mean, things on live are further than beta. beta tests things before its released on live first, because they want to test, if its good or goes well.
well, i explained ya, what i mean. after that 
@timid bough
no im just saying at the moment live is ahead of beta at the current moment, which makes reporting bugs on live more sensible
Always report for the relevant app.
The bug reports were from the day that the bug occurred
Russin. Sup
COZY #beta-announcements
TGC today is my birthday, as a present i want a trailer for the new season!

🕯️
Is it me or in live grandma last for 10 mins but in beta it only have 5 mins?
Yes, live is a build ahead of beta
beta grandma seemed to be cut short
Beta grandma always have been only 5 mins 
beta grandma is shy
We’ve been naughty, exploiting bugs & socially disengaging, so our dinner is cut 5 minutes short
Skykid: has some food left when the dinner time is over grandma, give me a seco- 
Grandma: throws the plate in fire 
I'm sad they didn't make the orbs in forms of mushrooms or something else that looks edible
To be fair though they’re kind of like giant puffball mushrooms, which are edible in certain life stages https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvatia_booniana
someone said it looks like mash mellow.. i think it looks like snow ball .-.
Not with THAT colour.
That's more like mushroom spores and not an edible puffball
What if an update comes tomorrow and it's "Bug fixes and improvements" ? 
What if no updates 
Hate to dissrupt but uhm does anyone possibly know if the gifting iaps will be in live for days of feast? Sorry if this is the wrong chanel
isn't that feature already in live/coming to live pretty soon?
The feature made it to live in the most recent update



Fair enough 💀
I remember at some point the last quest for season of flight was locked in beta so it wouldn’t spoil a surprise for live.
Did it ever came in beta or did the season conclude without it?
There was a hint associated to it, something like “i hope you like feathers”
#beta-announcements message We tested it quite awhile ago.
im pretty sure every final quest has been tested in beta, otherwise we wouldn't know if the quest even worked as intended
I think i was last minute? I do remember something happening
where's the new season?
Hello beloved citizens! Skybot here to remind you all that if you are having trouble finding something in Beta, please submit that to TGC in #beta-feedback! Please make sure to search it yourself before asking, and together we can help many Live skykids have a great experience 
Ignore Skybot 
New season hasn't even been teased! We gotta wait for a while longer
Why didn't the new season start in the beta yet ? That's weird!!
hello
We all wait it eagerly! 
It's not weird? It just means TGC isn't ready to present it to beta players to have them test.
There’s no set time for new season testing to start. Whenever they’re ready for it to be tested they’ll send it out. New season teasers tend to show up after the final quest of the live season becomes available, so perhaps closer to then.
Why is it that the anti-heart-trade system was not announced in beta or live patch notes?
It seems very decent amount of the live playerbase can't gift heart even to old close friends just now around double heart event and they will miss the opportunity. The issue seems to depend on who was the friendship recipient; candle running and unlocking higher friendship emotes don't help unfortunately. 
I'm fortunately not really affected having enough hearts in reserve but I would have loved to contribute and test it consciously on beta to ensure old friends can gift the other smoothy.

^ gonna agree with this
This changes wasn't even mentioned in #beta-update, and there's was only one single time Ktjn made a note for this issue: (#beta-discussion message)
Couldn't be tested if we weren't informed and I wonder how many of our bug reports were tagged as "new feature, not a bug" when in fact we play with that friend daily in beta and still couldn't send hearts...
I have a suggestion for you if you think it's good
My friends are dimming because friends are full and there are old friends of mine that I don't find because of this thing
My suggestion to you is that you can make our friend list more than this?!
We're testing a whole revamp of the friend constellation. Currently, in beta, the constellation limit is 140 friends. Since this is a large overhaul, don't expect it to hit live any time soon. TGC wants the feature fully matured before sending it to live. Think of it like the Daily Light system where we beta tested it for about half a year before it went live. (Sorry for delay, long slow mode)
I really don't believe that the heart trading bug is a feature, it's too damaging to the experience. I'd like to think this is one of those 'chibi fall patch' situations and this just slipped through the cracks of beta and into live.
Oh, that is.. concerning. Do you have the tweet or support images for this? And do you know the extent of this? If you need to dm, then that works too
It's real, you can find here on discord and on Twitter several screenshots shared about Support responses that with patch 0.15.5 they made further steps to prevent heart gifting exploitations. Unfortunately we were not notified to be able to test it. I thought it's bug from the new constellation.
I thought so, but according to Ktjn's message it sounds like an intentionally changes. Which was from one month ago, right when we started to test the new constellation system.
Tib made a really cool troubleshooting for us confused SkyKids #questions-and-help message
Bless you both for the help, but this is terrible! (I know this beta chat, but still) I only trade with one person per day for just enough for the emotes on a TS by TS basis. I guess I'll just have to really pick and choose, including seasonal cosmetics
Honestly I don’t understand whats exploitative about the nature of trading hearts. The TS system is already a pain in the butt with hearts and of course they have to make it worse when friends are trying to help each other through it,,, like… what…
Some have 2 devices that are compatible with sky, hearts are only 3 candles which a quick run through valley can do just fine..
In other words, some players will make a 2nd account with the sole purpose of sending hearts to themselves
I don't mind why some decisions are made tbh but I would loved to test it so this feature won't come to live in such a bugged state in the midst of double heart event.
Day:348593938383
Awaiting the dismiss spirit (hoping it will come during Christmas or this upcomin Ts )
Wrong channel?😭
genchat is 26 floors above
We're the basement. 
Sorry for asking what has probably been answered but I'm sort of lost. What's going on with heart trading?
It seems like tgc implemented a way to stop heart trades from happening, but it is unclear as to what the criteria is, so several players are unable to send hearts to their friends
I have an evil idea 
It starts here @spark lance
Thanks tib, so the bug is that people can't gift ♡s at this time?
As per customer support reply to users it's a feature preventing heart exploitations but it was not announced unfortunately so we could not test at all and it came to live with serious bugs. It's still unclear what causes it but it may have to do something who was the friendship recipient.
Spill bestie
I don't know, those messages sound to me as if they point to the three-day-before-gifting rules... Could that be or is it me misreading?
No the three day before gifting refers to AP and IAP gifts
I've had trouble gifting to people I've been friends with for over a year
if this is a feature it seems odd to leave such a big change out of the patch notes
i'm almost entirely convinced its some sort of bug, it's affecting totally random people but not their friends in return
it's also worth noting that they DO have a deadline when it comes to pushing updates so sometimes they're forced to put something out before it's in perfect working order
they generally try to make sure it affects as few people as possible
I think most of us expected it's a bug, until that statement came out and we're all doomed now. 
But I was able to gift a heart back to my friend today who I was not able to yesterday (live).
I mean, I'm unable to trade with a friend that I began about a week ago, so that category is shot. But ehh
You might fulfilled the requirement today in this case
Which CS didn't disclose any details in their replies
Really old reply but, a few days ago I sent a heart due to the "send a heart to a friend quest" and I'm pretty sure they didn't receive it yet cus I can't send another. We've been friends since I was a moff (since sanctuary) and we have all emotes unlocked with eachother
(Omg cooldown is insane-- 4:30mins)
What’s the requirement tho? I have been friends with them for quite a long time.I didn’t add them recently.
It seems to be the requirement (registering the necessary requirements) is bugged
Or the requirement is vague, making it impossible to exploit loopholes
Right before days of giving. This is amazing/j
Maybe they did this because people could get more than 200 hearts in the span of this event or more ?
Wouldn't vague requirements have holes on the contrary? 🤔
I'm terribly sorry, but just earning a few lights a day with the occasional ts 3 candle heart isn't very sustainable with cosmetic heart prices, let alone emotes or constellation items. The other alternative is a vauge and possibly buggy hangout for an indeterminate amount of time until you can trade
I'm,,, having trouble understanding this---
My brain is a pea and Skybot is munching on it
Well, if TGC is going to implement more restraints for heart obtaining, then they should make the items costing hearts cheaper 
Per item, they are cheap, but coupled with TS, you're going to have to trade to actually get the emotes and event items-
😅 Beta chat right now is like talking to some one in Mars...
Hello! Why is my tool not working?
3mins later : never mind I figured it out
4-5mins later : Hello!
8mins later: oh!
All this just before Double Heart event spells disaster 
I kinda agree,there should be more ways to earn hearts instead of just notes,gifting or buying it from the spirits.With less and less people wanting to spend more time on the constellation,it’ll make it more tough to earn hearts with this new anti-exploitation system.
Whoops, that was bad wording haha.
Without heart trades, your heart income for the average player is a few lights from lighting friends, the heart from the travelling spirit, and the constellation hearts if you haven't spent them. It's just not very sustainable to only get like two or three hearts every two weeks if travelling spirit emotes cost about 13 hearts a piece, not counting seasonal cosmetics or constellation items (I'm looking at you, tier 2 black and white capes).
Currently the only way to get hearts with this system is to hang out with friends for a specific amount of time that people haven't figured out yet, and this uses requirements that might be buggy.
It just sounds rough. Whew!
Oh lord... In live I don't struggle with hearts (since I don't exactly need them anymore they pile on) but this make constellation and TS completion much harder 
This TGC bonking us with a take ur time, don't rush but much more forced from what I'm hearing
We need universal basic income in Sky. Down with capitalism!
Takes out pitchfork 👨🌾
Let's have a revolu- Oops 
N-no, d-don't stare at me like that skybot. I'll keep my mouth shut
Yes,with some TS emotes and props costing 10-15 hearts (I see you Festival Spin Dancer Lvl 4 emote) It’s not at all easy for players who do not do daily heart trades. What’s with the cooldown time (5 mins) 
"Take your time, don't rush"
Thing is, what feels rushed to some may feel slow to the others, and vice versa
You know how people say that everyone has their time, right ?
Getting heart restrictions makes me feel like completion and rushing (heart sector) is a sin in this game www
With the prices we have now, coupled with one another, trading is almost unavoidable--
I have no absolute stance for this new system (yet) because of how vague the requirement is
I could just be overreacting and TGC just put a small 30 min timer, so that you'll have to hang out with your friend for a bit before being able to send hearts, or something far more strict
Long cooldown because there isn't anything new in beta for all I know :'0
I think the cool down timer is inversely proportional to how soon an update will come... 😅

the cooldown is long because this channel keeps going off-topic 😅 so reminder to keep things related to beta yall
That's fair. We haven't gotten an update in quite the while though. I wonder if the next will be a big one. Just... gotta wait and see ig.
Next beta update changelog: bug fixes and improvements. 
Don't patronize me.
/j
Eat this to be patient🧇
Or this 🥞
Everyone: when next season
Me: is next Day of Love have ferris wheel 🎡
Wow… thanks. This is very enlightening and kind mad I’m just finding out about it. I’ve sent like 5 or more beta bug reports about this and if it’s a “feature” it makes zero sense. I can receive hearts from the same friends I can’t send them to. So what? Am I special? You’d think the gifting criteria would go both ways. This is TOTALLY a beta topic cause me and a few others have been bringing this up for a long time here with zero official response. Just to find this out now after it went to live …oof
Welcome to Sky beta where there are undocumented changes at least once an update cycle.
Ngl im getting anxious for the next couple of days. The number of skykids who’s going to trade hearts with me… 😱 ts plus heart trade equals broke me
RIP to the solo players I guess.
mmmmm yes hearts
Server error occurred.
Server error
No authentication info?
😱
I don't really have any place leaving feedback since I'm a live user... but I also really hate the new heart system, if this description is true.
I have friends I send hearts to that I LITERALLY CANNOT hang out with ingame due to differences in timezone.
So it's super unfair that that system might stop me from one of the few methods of interaction I still have :(
try #live-feedback
Since the feature is now in the live version of the game, the topic is best suited for the live channels. Like stated by Ray, the live feedback channel would be the best place to give feedback on it.
https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.tgc.sky.android.test.gold/join?authuser=6
What's this? My friend send me and said it can qualify for the beta test
If someone leaves the android beta, someone else can join in their stead and take that slot. While rare, it can happen.
Will there be anything new in the test suit this week?
It's a holiday week. I wouldn't personally expect an update this week. Imagine if they gave us a broken build right before a 4 day holiday weekend. 
We'll have things to test when we're ready. Keep your eyes on #beta-announcements and get the updates role from #beta-faq
if i login betta from google account, but that account is main account in live version, will i lose account in live version?
they're different version
they are separated, see #beta-faq
More over: you can't transfer progress/cosmetics from beta to live 
@foggy raft only the devs can give you one, and when they do, it's a free for all / open for anybody. Check #beta-faq
in Days of Love:
2020 had Swing
2021 had Seesaw
will 2022 have Slide?
2023 monke bar
WHO CAN GIVE ME IOS TESTFLIGHT LINK
there isn't one
How do I check my tester identity in discord
Is the qualification of the apple issued?
You don't. Beta access is tied to a Google Account via the Play Store (for Android) or an Apple ID through TestFlight (iOS)
there's no beta invites open at the moment. Not for ios or android
we have swing seesaw and rose, can we send mysterious love letter in days of love
Thank you. I see 
I have a question: does the "slot" for Google/ios test means 1 out 1 in ? if so why suddenly so many ppl exit
(bc at least 20 ppl said they successfully got one due to this)
whatever just let me take a WAFO first 🧇
Time to stalk the beta download page then
/j
Testflight can be downloaded for free in the app store. But you have to get the invite link for Sky Beta.
Or better keep your eyes on the nature and enjoy this little break
Server error from login, please fix..tomorrow heart events..missed the ts too for my kid..😭
server error for beta may mean you are not qualified, and double heart event would NOT held in beta unless there are announcement, beta is separated with Live game
shouldn't this be on #report-a-live-bug
beta is rather low priority in terms of bugfixes for gameplay
if the bug is in live that is.
Hmmm i was already playing the account with my kids. And then next day it stopped. The login is the problem. Even using google acct or ios acct or even nintendo login does not work. I reported already. But the Sky Beta works..when i login to my own account.
This.
What qualifications are available today
none
@red sigil beta invites (aka qualifications) are open when the devs need more testers. There's no set date, nor pattern. It's when it's needed
So…Can I guess whether the qualification will be issued soon?
Maybe I can know when iOS will issue the qualification.
📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.
but some testers quit
Invites for both platforms are now FULL
There will be no more invite waves for this test cycle.
if you want to be notified (a discord ping) when beta invites are open/qualifications are being issued check #beta-faq
and that's an android only thing Sala, if a testers leave, a spot is open and almost immediately taken, it's not a reliable way to get in beta
I did already. Even emailed. 😢 Sorry.
So this is a random discussion, but for the first time ever I have a hugeee skid in beta and I can’thelp but feel gravity works really weird on tall skids. Anyone else? Like they feel more floaty than smol skids
So android can download beta 3 hours ago through playstore ? Someone was said that but idk creating new account is disable
Last we heard, the creation of new accounts is currently disabled, yes. So even if someone were to successfully join the Android beta program if they saw an open slot, there's a good chance they can't actually log into the game itself even if they're able to download the app
Days of Feast has ended in beta, right?
Nothing is being tested actively at the moment.
I want to ask, I just got beta access on google play store, but why is there no option to buy new season AP?
Because there's no season rn
A question. in prairie i saw a belonging skykid with fur cape. Did fur cape ever bacame an iap just like live ?
it's possible for some very old beta fossils to have it legitimately. it wasn't possible for someone to complete the gratitude season or obtain the deer mask. so having one or two items isn't unheard of, just very uncommon.
but fur cape was never an IAP in beta right?
But the progress wipe should eat them right? (deer mask etc )
Mb I misunderstand as it's possible to get deer mask
I don't believe it was tested in beta, no. back then we didn't always test IAPs or items on beta.
ummm why am I able to randomly download beta whats happening-
The season was tested a third time after the progress wipe
congrats you got lucky and a slot opened up 
actually I also got beta access this morning, I was lucky
WAFO:
What?
A
Fresh slot have been
Opened?
Are people camping the beta store page or something?
i'm gonna go out on a limb and ask, not really expecting an answer: why wasn't the new heart system not mentioned anywhere in #beta-announcements ? or am i just blind? unless it really is a bug, i would have thought a change like this would have been worth a mention. 
i wonder if some inactive players got kicked from the beta
I get direct beta access on google play store without invite link from discord 😄 , TY TGC
Me too 👀
not a bug and is working as intended, for some things we get better testing when we don't announce it in the updates channel.
Was nice to see people who are lucky to get the slots~
its random i think
make sure to read through #beta-faq for more information
both ios and android are first come first serve, but androids can join whenever a slot opens up, while ios must wait for invite waves
It's good then? It won't cause problems... to phone or my account ?
I should clarify to whom my response was, let me edit the post
Was just about to ask for clarifiction
Would've been worth mentioning whether it was a bug or a feature, really
Or a mention in the live patch notes. 
Beta just opened on playstore for me.. is this normal?
You couldn't mention it once you'd left us in the dark long enough to get enough testing done? Now it's in live, causing confusion
WAIT I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF IT WAS AVALIBLE ON MY GOOGLE PLAY STORE I CAN INSTALL (its installing...
)
Hello, sorry I'm new to beta. When I play beta, do I have to create a new account or my old one in normal sky?
!betalive
#beta-faq answers this in more detail
Beta and Live versions of Sky are completely separate apps. Progress/purchases in one have no effect on progress/purchases in another.
so.. while beta is downloading... id like to ask ... it wont affect my current live acc right? coz its on the same phone i heard there are issues if someone has alts idk if it works the same way
me being in the android beta since the end of assembly testing still not being able to download beta because it always says its full 🧍
Many people have qualified for the invitation to Android this morning. I would like to ask when the invitation to iOS will be issued.
It will not, beta and live are completely separate accounts. No progress from either will transfer.
#beta-faq
Edit: Aeras was too fast.
Also, welcome!
There's a sudden rise of abandoned beta slots huh 
Now don't go missing sleep over it, eventually a proper beta invite will be shared 
Hi i have question. I just install sky beta on my android phone but why i cannot install on my ipad?
Because access would be required on both android and ios to do so. Just because you have access on your Google account does not give you access on your apple one
Yall i dreamt that the next season was called season of sleep and i - 💀
Omggg
I just finished getting through valley in beta, got 4 of 6 spirits, when will I be able to recieve the IAP items? currently nothing is shown to me in the shop. do i have to finish all realms first? I wanted to test the snow globe!
pls excuse me im 1st day on beta 
📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.
Days of feast has ended in beta so you can no longer get the iap
Make sure you read through #beta-announcements
You don’t need to finish any realms/constellation for iap’s - currently there are none except starter pack and founders pack I think - also welcome to beta!
Hey, I've been a member on sky beta but actually I'm not able to update cause it's full. What am I suppose to do?!
The quests aren't appearing for me and it's been a while since it was like this. Am I the only one who can't get the quests? (I tapped the ! to get the quests from the statue and they're just not appearing.)
Ktjn confirmed it's known, will be repaired with the next update.
it’s supposed to be like that until the next build yep. link to ktjn’s response on this #beta-discussion message
oh ok thanks!❤❤❤ I should check discord more often💦
“Take an opportunity to rest”
bold of you to assume I did dailies in the first place ktjn 
After I downloaded the beta, it will be so unusual to be a moth again ...
The update is so close, I can almost touch it 
Can't you log in to sky on Facebook?
Are you able to be in beta with your live account? Or do you have to have 2 seperate accounts
One on beta and one on live
Yes it will be 2 different accounts in terms of game progress (so stuff you get in live won't be carried over to beta and vice versa) but you can use the same id (Gmail etc) to link your game progress
Welcome new testers, please read through #beta-faq before all else 
Hopefully it’ll clear up some questions & confusions
just sign in with the same google or apple account as live and youll have completely different progress on either apps
Wait, did I miss something? Why are so many people now suddenly joining the beta version when there hasn't been an invite wave? 
Recently a few handful of Android slots have been opened, it can happen due to testers leaving the program & other contributing factors
the chamber of secrets has been opened
I see, thank you
It's amazing that a lot of slots practically opened all at once* 
correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's tied to account creation on beta now being enabled
That’s correct also, hence “other contributing factors”
Weird, I sent a message here and it got instantly erased 
I did see the install button but I was too late. It was full 
Woa, the cooldown-
Screams like new season ngl
✨ majik ✨
hey, I just joined beta today and for some reason I couldn't see the office helper (the one that usually appears during holiday)
Do I have to finish eden to be able to see that or something is wrong?
Gotcha! 
There is no event tested right now,so the helper is not going to be there. You can friend people with office cape to get in
I was thinking, am I not supposed to get any daily quests in beta? It's been days since I got one from the statue, should I report that??
oh wait so days of feast has ended?

welp- thank you 
It ended ages ago
#beta-discussion message
See ktjns message on that subject
我要怎么样才能得到测试服资格?
We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @slow cradle. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.
I need help(´;ω;`)
My friend’s test server qualification... but he can’t log in...
Hi Ktjn, my apologies for the ping and disturbance.
May I ask one thing, if this intended change—to the way hearts are supposed to be gifted to friends—are now in Live, I'm wondering why it was not announced anywhere on 0.15.5 Patch Update Notes, any of the recent blog posts, SocMed account posts and/or communicated within the live channels of the server? Especially the announcement channels.
I think it will help shed a light about the confused players that what they're experiencing is an intended change and not a bug. I understand that you stating this already counts as sort of an official statement but not all players would bother browsing thru Beta channels, simply because they don't want to see any spoilers. And yes, players can reach out to Support, but those takes time before they even get a response.
My apologies for the wall of text
Does the days of love don't apply to beta
Its not something they need us to test. Sometimes they enable it in beta too but double heart events arent new features.
Guys how do i see items in the shop? i reached eden
Hello, can I ask, there's no daily quest in beta? They just appear if they will implement a new one?
On top of this I want to say that updates like this shouldn't be left to the players to figure it out on their own. I really don't understand why it wasn't mentioned anywhere. If ktjn can come here and say that it's not a bug and intended, why can't the same be announced in #news at the very least? You guys had plenty of times to announce it. I know this isn't a debate channel and all but it's really weird. After all sky discord covers a small amount of people compared to the entire player base, nevermind how little amount of people actually come to the beta channels
Beta should be pretty much the same as live except the constellation right now. I cant see dailys either so i assume its a bug, worth a try to report it.
What items are you looking for? There should be Starter kit and Founder’s cape (only in office).
@hollow spruce @tender oasis sorry for the pings but it’s cus the beta quest cycle ran out - and they need to send out a new build to add new ones. here’s ktjn’s message on it: #beta-discussion message
Guess an opportunity to gather all the spirits then rest 
I ALWAYS HOPE tgc give us more detailed information how the system changed/updated
Ahh thanks, missed that message
i thougt quests are somewhat like a loop which never runs out
I'm usually one to have tgcs back but i got nothing this time, it is a strange oversight.
#beta-signup-info
If there is an invitation wave, , you can see it here
Today had beta invites?!
no
Some slots were opened for Android I believe, and some were able to get in. Not entirely sure tho, no 'official' invite wave tho no
OIC 
This is my first day in beta and i made a lot of progress, but for some reason i can't see daily quests?
Beta doesn't have dailies until a future update
When joining beta it’s great to read up on #beta-faq, as well as browse through #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues to keep up to date on what’s happening.
Welcome and good luck out there!
Omg beta invites for Android?? I cant wait for ios invitation wave 😩
No
good afternoon folks, it looks like tgc has implemented a new way to "change hearts" in the game without passing the beta! 🤡
Correct me if I'm wrong!
And now nobody knows what is or isn't a bug because she didn't specify with and to work!
Unfortunately it was not announced to us therefore we don't know what is a bug what is not. Because it's already in live, let's move to live channels!
Actually, it seems like it was in beta. Some users had issues with sending hearts when we tested this patch. We just were not told that there was a change
We simply thought it's a bug because of the new constellation, we reported it as a bug that regardless we had old friends some of them or us were not able to send a heart. Because we didn't know of the system we simply reported the bugs without specific detailsor attention related to it so it easier came to live with critical bugs in this system.
Hellow testers!
I cant login at my beta acc without a warning asking me if I want to “create a new account in sky? …”, so if I cancel the process, i keep at the same message and cant go any further, plus, when I go to TestFlight to check if it has a new update and open sky beta from there… i came back at the same message, if click “create new account”, i will, propably, delete all my progress on beta… someone else or only me?
Edit: i could enter in the earlier morning for me, enlightened friends and left…
There wasn't an invite wave. When a tester leaves the program in android, a spot is open for anyone to take
What is exactly the new heart trade system?
It isn't a new "system" just a preset requirement needs to be met before heart gifting opens with friends. What those requirements are we don't know. There are theories, but they could have coded it where changes could be done server side to change requirements on a whim. We don't know what, why or how at all. We just know some parameters are pretty.... Odd... I couldn't gift hearts to my long time friend in live until I just met them in the same server for less than a minute. (Due to RL stuff this friend and I haven't met in game for over 10 months, but before that, we played together almost daily) Newly QR added friends seem to be affected most, though.
Tgc did great job, what I heard is people create 50 dummy account to send heart to main account. That's why.
And in doing so, everyone else who plays legitimately gets affected negatively
Due to the lack of transparency,(again) we do not know the why. Please don't spread rumors. That's how you get people raising pitchforks for the wrong reasons.
There should be a choice of your log in methods before clicking on ▶️ button, try logging in with local account? If you have already linked your account in game to Game Center or other means (google, etc), try log in with those instead or reinstalling your beta app?
They’re back in
That's more of a speculation, we won't know the exact reason of why this "system" has been implemented until the devs themselves say so.
Solved, thanks to sweetheart Dark.
I was kinda scared and you helped me a lot.
People who wants to exploit/fool the system will find a way to exploit anyways, if it’s not through 50 dummy accounts I’m sure they’ll find another way pretty fast. TGC making this kind of changes (needing to interact with friends to a certain extent before sending hearts) without proper communication or disclosing any clear criteria only punishes those honest players who play the game without breaking ToS, and who really truly struggle with IGC, for example friends that are in different time zones and can’t play often together but still care for each other and want to send heart gifts to show kindness. Not to mention the inconsistency of the heart gifting behavior and bugs that come with it without prior open testing with beta players, that cause so many players to be confused right now. You go into any other channels you see players asking why heart gifting is bugged
If they ever specify that is, similarly to how AFK timer was patched silently with no updates on further plans (We thought it was scrapped for the longest time, until it turns out it was bugged the entire time) 
I understand we’re not supposed to know everything about internal plans but, this is causing hurt & confusion. An explanation is due, no?
Puts rubberband around controller to keep a button pressed forever. What AFK system? 
Euwumua, thank you for answer and concern, sweetheart ෆෆෆෆ!
reminder: this is beta chat, and y'all are discussing features that are live
I want to know what test results tgc got by not telling us?
Everyone thinks it's a bug?
What's the conclusion

Beta chat being used as "this for more ~serious~ topic" / live players complaining about stuff to beta players

I also do wonder why it’s not tested in beta in the first place, and so much wasted effort of beta players thinking this was a bug all along and doing bug reports on it? Whereas it’s actually an “intended” feature. And ofc when bugs make to live, beta testers are to be blamed for it cuz we apparently don’t properly do our “job”
We didn’t know it was a beta feature at the time to begin with… no explanation was ever given, so of course we’re bringing that into question
This is the only channel we ever seem to get any semblance of answers from, too
this is my own speculation, but if I were developing features that enhance security for an app and i knew it would have negative impact on a small percentage of legit users, but would combat a large amount of exploitation that lowers the value of the entire economy of the app, I would carefully weigh those costs and still knowingly not communicate details. Communicating details of how to combat exploitation means telling people doing the exploits how to cheat the changes.
To be honest, it also affect legit players who want to give each other hearts out of kindness.. such restriction to be honest is... abit over... what are we trying to bring forward... and not giving us a direction is just plain evil
I also have real-world experience doing this exact thing for a client. Some real users were affected negatively by silent changes, and they complained, but a large security hole that was costing the client hundreds of thousands of dollars was closed
They didn't need to go into detail. A simple section in the live patch notes with vague explanation of the feature would have been the minimum they should have done. We literally got nothing. Even something as simple as "to combat heart gift exploitation, there are new magical requirements to meet before you can gift hearts to your friends. Play a bit with them ❤️ " instead bug reports and support tickets that cost labor hours happened.
IMO, they really need not to explain it in details, a simple "Changes to criteria on gifting heart/s to friend/s" statement I think would suffice and if I had an opinion about it, I would go to feedback channels.
Sometimes companies also need to weigh the risk of making an announcement (openly discussing security flaws, with all the PR and legal implications) versus the risk of letting the information spread through their user-base in an organic way that may not be as comfortable for players, but may ultimately be safer
The potential exploiters in the community would see the information eventually either way then, if I’m understanding? It just harms the knowledge we have and takes up our time to figure it out ourselves by having to compare notes
I am sorry. If you are going to let beta players bang their head from checking the bugs and having adding this security added in and live players will going to be blaming beta players from not doing our work. We did but none of us were being told this wasn't a bug, it was a feature and whether the feature will work well in live. No one except the devs knows. So when this new feature is not tested and brought to live, and if it were to bug... no one knows. the end
I'm not explaining TGC's position. I'm not a TGC employee. I'm only offering a perspective to include in debate: I personally know from experience that there are times when a company must accept some bad sentiment among the people using their product.
Thank you for the insight Alex it’s really nice to have a perspective different from a player’s POV
Maybe I’m very narrow minded but I think on the other hand, while it might be less risky to not make any official statement on certain changes, the PR risks also lies in players slowly losing trust when the game company chooses not to be transparent about something (especially major changes), which also could lead to possible back lash or players eventually leaving the game for good.
That's definitely part of the cost-benefit analysis in decisions like this. Also: I just looked at slowmode and realized I'm abusing mod powers by talking too much 
This addition doesn't really pertain to opsec, though. This is similar to the Eden changes (slow movement) or the AFK system that was apparently never announced to live and was given a small entry in live patch notes about it being bugged and fixed. The lack of transparency in basic gameplay feature changes constantly from a game company makes them lose trust with the community. I guess they didn't weigh those options.
Perhaps they decided that player opinions weren't as important to them as other things.
Can someone explain what's wrong ?
These are all very unique and reasonably logical takes
I think they are reasonable observations.
This more of a live topic but the heart trading/gifting has gotten some adjustments.
I do recommend reading back-
It starts somewhere here:
#beta-discussion message
Also, I may add this is not a debate because the whole playerbase kind of agrees to ask more transparency especially now when a feature is released to live without notice and the current event kind of depends on this and it seems more fair players are affected than unfair ones.
This is what TGC said a year ago
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741470955263754324/912671603433803786/Screenshot_20211123-205010_Discord.jpg
and now they say
"We get better testing when we don't announce it in the updates channel."
I've included some feedback already but there at least should be a pop up when a gift fails to go through, otherwise players are confused as to why gifting isn't working with 0 ingame explanation. Without simple UX, nevermind patch notes inclusion, it just feels like a bug.
As for my thoughts, it feels very dystopian to let coding or a game company decide what makes me a good enough friend to send hearts. Let me decide that on my own 
More of a live topic
We were literally only told this wasn't a bug a few hours ago in this channel. This is just as much a beta topic
I'm entirely positive that communication is considered. I don't always feel that it's done right, but the basic point I'm trying to make is that each decision about what to communicate and in how much detail may have other factors behind them that we don't see. From simple judgment calls about what will be received better by community, to extreme examples like a mandate from executive or legal teams not to provide detail.
I received a notification that a friend sent a heart, but when I entered the game it wasn't there, is this a bug?
Darkstone plants 📖 ✍️
boy do I miss Darkstone, such a lovely art deco style with that green color and tint
It's really hard to swallow that this has been a thing for a good amount of time in beta and now in live, and after so many people have submitted bug reports and feedback in both beta and live and have spent so much time trying to figure out what this new system is, the only statement we've gotten so far is, "not a bug and is working as intended"
A simple solution would be to enforce the TOS instead of making "features" that hinder normal gameplay. 
what ?
See my question is, if this is a new feature, why not make the heart trading not unlockable until you reach these requirements? Wouldn't that make it much easier than just guessing if your heart went through? This feels strange and unfair
As others have said a simple announcement would've been good since hearts a valuable currency in sky and used in many places so the change affects a large amount of players (i'm sure tgc already knows that) that's why it's causing stress among players. I could've understood that they don't want to share too much details if they shared a vague statement (which they have done in past) but shareing no information about it doesn't makes sense to me. They could've shared a little info for a price of little "damage".
Maybe it really was for the greater good but for now it just seems ignorant.
hmm, but people would have to test long how to unlock heart trading... not sure if we wanna add in new features and remove current feature...
If the volunteer helpers got a guide together this quickly on how to be able to send hearts again, I'm sure the ne'er-do-wells figured it out day one.
Personally I think any communication is better than no communication. No communication has often, as we can see right now, also resulted in negative feedback from the community. We don't have any facts right now, so we can only speculate, bug report, and keep waiting for answers that may never come. Extend that to players who don't have access to Discord, don't have access to social media (not that it's always posted on there anyway), etc., and it results in a lot of confused players.
My problem is that many beta players spent their time to bugreport hearts issue. Now this came out it was a feature all the way and because of a single notice missing it came with obviously big bugs to live in the midst of double heart event. I guess they wanted it to be released to live before the event and it's hard to catch deadlines but it came out in a very unfortunate way.
On top of what's been said above, since there's no communication the chances that misinformation is spread is high. We know from experience that misinformation can do a lot of damage, not just to the skycord community but to the entirety of Sky.
From now on when I face a bug in beta I'm sure the thought will appear in my head asking: is it a bug or part of a feature they are aware of? Should I spend my time on collecting more details and asking fellow players? I'm sure it will lower the bugreport mood.
First time?
flashbacks to Wing Fiesta, slow Eden movement, gratitude shrine changes to name a few "undocumented changes" in #beta-announcements
Wonder why they announced the change in likes requirement in patch notes when they were trying to tackle note hunting groups
They announced that? They probably weren't thinking straight /s
I think I’m missing something. I’m not noticing an issue with heart trading?
Make a new friend by QR and report back if you both can gift hearts immediately after unlocking it. 
This is the nature of the bug - it's not perceived consistently on players side. For example: it doesn't work with some old time friends regardless they frequently meet.
But this is not the question
I have trouble in beta with my long time friend… and i actually got my heart but cant return back
They should have made a social meter or something to give visual feedback to newly made friendship if not a meter make it something more meaningful in the context of friendship.. May be a ♥ icon that gets filled a little bit with every interaction and when full you get new friendship abilities including ♥ gifting?
With all the secrecy behind the addition, I don't see how that would fit in their vision.
If their vision was to have this undercover then yeah. But if it was to align more to the friendship mechanics in game then why not embrace it as gameplay.
The blatant lack of transparency kind of proves they didn't want official documentation of the change. Nothing to do with friendship mechanics. This addition was likely to hinder bad actors from exploiting a currency. (Can't completely stop it since I am sure the bad actors figured it out on patch day and went back to business as usual)
Sounds like a group of scallywags
Why do you want to remove the exchange of hearts after the double-hearted event?
With AP gifting we do get a notification that you need to be friends for 3 days before gifting. Same text would be enough for heart trades.
Yeah. That would be a start
does ktjn still talk here
So the heart event is broken?
While a live discussion, the heart event still works. In fact, not counting just hearts, its worked better than we hoped. Candle cakes are double, seasonal candles are double, as well as the normal heart fragments and hearts too
what is the change to hearts????? what
There was no announcement made about the double seasonal candles whether it's a schedule error, compensation or part of the event so it's better not to connect it to the event. It's better to keep that to live discussion (including questions regarding heart gifting) to keep the channel on topic.
What belongs to beta is that we were bugreporting about a not announced feature as constellation bug and because of absence of any communication about this feature the reports were not directed to it, it came to live without notice in a severely bugged state just when an event playability and enjoyability was heavily depending on its way of working.
I’d definitely think twice when I bug report next time and wonder if it’s still worth my time or effort, since now things we think might be bugs and could spend hours to test out or find a way to reproduce (cuz we simply enjoy troubleshooting and bug hunting) could just turn out to be a “feature”. I’m totally fine with bug reporting or doing other testing voluntarily cuz I enjoy it so much and have met so many wonderful friends through this. But not knowing what we are actually testing and being kept in the dark for major changes kills my motivation.
Perhaps we should only stick to testing what is stated in beta updates?
It is volunteer work and we're not getting paid, unlike the devs. And they also have internal testing, which probably is enough for some things.
Agreed, but we might also stumble onto "bugs" that we didn't expect.. It'd be good if the devs would tell us about new features to prevent us from wasting our time reporting them TmT
Also, if they were afraid of backlash, then what even is the point to make players beta test the game? We're also here to give our opinions on new features..
I feel like our opinions as actually players are being more and more left out recently....
On the other hand some bugs ie. prop yeeting from home plate bug, piggyback bug, teaset bug, invisible friend bug or wing fiesta bug will go unreported and unnoticed before making to live if we only stick to text-to-text testing based on beta patchnotes
True. Maybe some things are more obviously bugs than others? I have no real answers.
Definitely not the first time we had unannounced changes in key features of the game. Its one thing not saying it in beta if thats better for their testing goals, but it would make me swallow some of the unpleasant changes more easier if we got them offical lol announced not just as a comment hidden in beta corners.
At least a cryptic heads up like
"there has been a changed made with X and Y" instead of just keeping us in the dark? 
On the other hand, maybe beta as a whole has become redundant. Isn't it very unusual for games to remain in open beta for this long? Although, I suppose TGC does work in a different way, with a game that is almost constantly changing.
True true
Regardless of their reasoning for not disclosing the feature ahead of time, it is a little disheartening because they’ve (mostly) done it every other time so I can’t blame people for being a little upset
(Unless they forgot to announce???)
Based on what Ktjn said, they didn't forget. They intentionally left us in the dark
ktjn mentioned that it was intentional for them to not say anything in #beta-announcements for testing reasons, but that doesn't quite explain why the live patch notes didn't mention it at all. informing live players would probably cause backlash, but leaving them in the dark has caused backlash and confusion, so i don't see the reasoning
Those are fair points
It is pretty unusual, I hope that maybe next time features are changed they are at least briefly mentioned
It really sounds like they just wanted to avoid backlash but I don’t want to speculate, so that’s just a personal opinion
This message also supports the fact that recent changes wasn't an accident. Also the only clue we could find during last whole month.
#beta-discussion message (Oct 15)
what's the unannounced feature?
Wow nice catch. I guess beta kids overlooked that owing to implicit assumption that it may be something related to new constellation changes that won't hit live for quite some while
Still. Our candles and hearts are just going to the void now. People are just wasting candles on nothing. The game doesn't have to say what the requirements are, but just have a little pop up even when you try to trade would help. And it says something like "you can't trade hearts yet".
Honestly though if it came out so bugged it probably would be wise to test features like this in beta next time 💀
Players here are giving themselves a headache with testing (something that should've been done weeks before the event in beta) and figuring out what's a bug and what's not, because they refused to communicate with us😕 And there is still 0 communication about it. Ktjn posted 1 or 2 confirmations that's it's a feature, in a beta channel that a few people visit. In server that only has 300k users when apparently Sky has over 100 million downloads, which they themselves celebrated. And the message was shortly burried and they left it to the helpers/users here to give themselves more headache in redirecting people to the message and explaining it to them, when that's the devs job. And doing further testing because the devs haven't explained how the feature works. It's really disappointing to see. I'll see myself out incase someone says it's not a debate talk channel and I need to go to #live-feedback , but big yikes😭
Please do visit the #live-feedback and drop a message if you aren't happy, tho
I know 👇 But my point is the server barely covers the whole player base. There is definitely more than 300k players. There is a ton more people that don't own discord, nevermind the few people that visit the beta channel.
(Downloads don't equal player retention or daily player count)
I do agree with you, it's just a weird metric to celebrate. It doesn't actually say anything.
What I want to ask TGC: if it’s really working as intended and not bugged, why are we getting inconsistent heart gifting behaviors both in Live and on beta?
Testing in beta -
#beta-screenshots-videos message
Testing and summary for live by Wolf - #questions-and-help message
I mean games/companies do often celebrate 10 million, 100 million etc. downloads for the funsies, it's just a big number
Shows how many people visited and downloaded your game, if that's what you meant. It's an achievement

Dismiss spirit will never come at this point it will come back in 2028 TvT
Dismiss woes go into #seasons-events-chat 
Di.. Did you... just dismiss the discussion of dismiss spirit? 😅
Well this ain't really beta related so

That’s not the only topic’s going to be dismissed tonight
Wait the new heart gifting ‘feature’ you have to spend 30 minutes with someone everyday in order to receive a heart or gift a heart?
wait it's everyday?
are you sure???
through testing, it does not seem like its everyday. but then again, we know next to nothing about this new system
There was no real explanation from the devs so no one knows. Some have said half an hour, some said an hour, some can easily send and receive through the constellation, some can't trade at all. Please do wait for further explanation and take the info lightly since the 'feature' seems to be bugged
And it sounds like beta and live works sightly different according to both summarys here
Ye seems so, but again we know almost nothing on how it’s intended/supposed to work. Just to clarify, when I said inconsistent I mean both on live and beta there are cases where long time friends or friends that have spent time together can’t gift to the other.
No Tuesday update 
I'm pretty sure about next Tuesday. so don't get upset 
its only noon in california. we've got 12 hours of tuesday left 
but if beta does not get an update today or tomorrow, i wouldn't expect an update this weekend either since it's a holiday weekend
I frankly don't want to see an update before they address this situation, or it'll just get buried
i don't either, but its a holiday weekend, we would get 4 days of testing a huge update if we happen to get one. its happened before
this is pure speculation and does not mean that there's a pattern 
Is the heart gifting system in beta definitely the same as live right now?
can be found from those who have been in beta for a long time ... How serious are bugs to be reported and which ones can be ignored?
I'm afraid if I write a report on every bug, they will just block me.
If it seems like a bug, it's best to go ahead and report it. Even if it seems like it's not super major, they should want to know about it so that it can be fixed eventually. It may not be high priority, but at least if they're made aware of it they can monitor it on their end as well
I'm sure they have an internal program like Atlassian's JIRA to track bugs and put priority on them.
I just get mad when I’ve wasted my time reporting the same “bug” like 5 times and we spend time in beta trying to diagnose why it’s not working. Then me and like a couple of my friends can’t figure out why we can’t give our other new friend a heart and that new friend thinks maybe your scamming them. Cause they can give you just fine. If this is working as intended the it’s just Bad all around
Because your new friend needs to set your name for you first, so that he can collect your heart
...what? plenty of people are having trouble with named friends, and saying that naming someone will 100% fix the issue is misleading at best
did the seasonal candle bug stopped yet
we didn't get a new patch for it so probably not
If it's "working as intended" maybe it's inconsistent on purpose to "discourage exploiters". Can't really do a ht if no one knows when or how they can gift a heart
Rip to the newbies then. This is all so unnecessarily complicated.
this is all unnecessary
Is the heart bug (or feature?) also in beta? Sorry if that's a stupid question, just me keeping my beta friends list small
Edit: Thank you Aeras, I see, didn't encounter it there yet so maybe I was lucky.
yes, it was in beta, but it was not explicitly mentioned in #beta-announcements as something to test. it is also an intended feature according to ktjn
I first noticed it back in mid October just before the constellation change came, but people say it was before that even. #beta-screenshots-videos message
do beta ppl still can't see their dailies?
Beta won't have dailies until an update arrives. We past the daily quest schedule this update. 
strange i just activated em and submitted it just fine, also I'm currently trying to trigger the sc bug but I'm still unaffected 
beta dailies are back! 
Oh, was there an update?
Ninja update? 
yay dailies are working
Devs please feed us 
One day we will receive an updoot
Communication first, then updoot
Holiday is over. Back to work on these dailies yall

But if beta channel is not locked down, that means there’s still a bunch of things happening haha right now
Cough cough bugs 🐛
Anyone still receiving a bunch of seasonal candles?
not anymore ^^
updoot
updoot???
updoot This update includes:
- New Season
- New events
- Additional updates to friendship constellation
- Bug fixes and improvements
New update?

GASP

OOO
the singular time i open beta is to test the new mechanic
omg new season, AND TIGER MASK
although I haven't seen a official patch notes about it yet.... NEVERMIND
Get your nets ready, it's bug hunting time 
It’s happening, oh god this is happening
OOOO
new season? nice
although i wish they addressed the heart mechanic more...
Water.
food from the devs

Sagomay 
!bean @shadow niche extra beta release notes gift 
tommers#9317 (616278620230516771) was beaned. Reason: extra beta release notes gift :pKrillBEAN:
UNDER. WATER. SEAAASOONNNN
AND. DAYS OF LOVE FLOWER CROWN OH MY GOD
IM LITERALLY GOINFG INSNDMGVMODSKVKDIDINIDVMRMVISSMKRMDRM RM RRD IKR ODORI XRRRXRIX OF
Glow, it sounds like you're trying to talk while underwater, better come back above the surface
AND WE CAN DIVEEEEEEEE UNDERWATERRRRRRRR AAAAAAAAA GAUGEHVWYWJIQ
omg
Excited excited!
AYO??????
NOT ME SCREAMING IN CALL WITH MY BETA FRIENDS LMAO
Omg
Waking up to the pings like 
I can see the little mermaid cosplays already 
omgg 
hey google, wake up! 
UNDERWATER SEASON- FLOWER CROWN— PAPER C R A N E AAAAAAAAAA
Fun fact: The Sky instrument keyboards can be used to play the full version of "Under the Sea" 🧜♀️
WHEN'S THE UPDATE YALL
Indeeed ! 
Bull mask here we go!!!
Ok guys i yelled at my phone to update faster
SCREAMS
Wow I think people will recreate the entire movie at this point 
Anyways where is it located exactly?
Reminder that as testers, we should try looking for things in Beta ourselves when possible! If you are still struggling to find something, please remember to submit it in #beta-feedback as that feedback is very valuable for TGC and can help many players in Live 
I'm upset that the new update is going to bury our discussion on the heart feature
SEASON QUESTS ARE OUT, UNFINISHED COSMETICS??? MAYBE ?? AND LETS SWIM
Cmiiw, but, Max number of friends displayed were 140. Then the update said it is raised to 130? 
Let’s not give up on the heart issue to add!
Oh shoot, did I get that wrong?
AYO WHERE UPDAYE
This is the biggest update we had in 2years in case I’m wrong holly this is so exciting
🌊
OMG UPDOOOOOOT
Me shaking right now!!!
Thanks for pointing that out, I'll go tweak 
ARE WE FINALLY GETTING THE UNDERWATER SEASON???
IS THE UPDATE OUT ON IOS???
If it’s not supposed to be 130, then I believe it was a typo. Thank youuuu

opens beta
ios always gets the update first, androids wait an hour or so for google to catch up
will the beta seasonal channel open up again? 
i predict....server issues! 
It's called Abyss lol
I have always dreaaaaamed of cherub wings for IAP during Days of Love
.. next year
when sky beta update
Ay ay ah e oh oh ee ah ah ah aah ah ah ee oh oh ing ing ay ee oo
aight i heard something about mermaids what's popping i need details
Wait a minute
The abyss appeared in sky 
Oh no the abyss dwellers have a new home now and we have to prepare for an invasion 
some of the gratitude spirits are returning for the fortune and love events

Also a good question! Let me get that figured out too 
The phone I had beta on went away and I had to get a whole new phone with new things, is there a way I can get beta back?
Hi nasty!
hi nasty! can’t wait for you to make a video on this
Woah this is ALOT
Shall us not forget about the heart feature
thats quite the season name
Omgggg
my brain cannot process everything thats happening i reread the updates twice omgg 😭
Ohhhhhh

wait so if this update has the ability to go underwater then that means that i was sent videos by a hecker o.O
I saw "diving underwater" and went

that was a year ago, a lot can change in that amount of time
OmG it is really underwater season ?!
so is this serious
what’s the name so far???
OH YES UNDERWATER SEASON
the time has finally come (dun dun)
Is everyone alright here? I've been hearing explosions for the past 2 minutes
It sure did
ASH HELLO
IS THIS THE END 
yes
ik, i just find it funny
turns off sky
The first glimpse of questgiver cape- SO PRETTY
one thing I'm concerned about this season....
what if skykids are afraid of deep waters/oceans... 
No, they're using hype to bury our discussion on the heart feature. It's not funny, I'm angry
Ash please don't tell me that everything is glitchy in beta today 
I wish to be a fish 
OMG
Fun fact of the day
Omg- AAAA FINALLY
Imma go and update to test anything there 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
We better get some more whales to hang out with 
bugs.. in beta?! for a big update??? No... tell me you're kidding /lh
For folks who come to beta expecting it not to be glitchy....idk what to tell you 
tiger mask tiger mask tiger mask!!!
When will we have another beta wave 😭
i'm vibrating are we getting underwater stuff i didn't think k i wanted this but now i'm like 
Never thought it will come true so soonnn
Then will there be season in Eden for real in the future? XD xD
OK UNDERWATER SEASON I JUST GOT THE NEWS IM UPDATING BETA
Oh boy there's so many new things- it's almost overwhelming… I'm hyped about the diving feature!
Guys I called it!! I knew it I knew there’d be an updooot
time to wait an eternity for the update to download

We’re gonna have: A whale of a time
Season of abyss I think
I expect it to be glitchy but if its trash wifi on a potato phone glitchy I can't really say anything 
Not so-we really do need this next season and events to be tested. I know you would prefer better timing, but this isn't a devious scheme behind the scenes to bury feedback about the heart stuff. Please feel free to continue sending in feedback!
Season of drowning
Zeason of beleieueiekle
BETA UPDATES: It's up!
Saki feels MANIC! :))
@dawn prism Yeaaah but no, this still isn't the place to discuss false or illegitimately obtained content
Season of bird now season of fish 
It remained me Genshin impact lol
What if this season gives Abzu vibes?

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING
Flying is not enough, time to acquire swimming skills sky kids
Abyss? So cool 
Underwater season omg
I WAS SO EXCITED TO TEST AND SEE WHAT THE NEW BROKEN STUFF IS AND I GOT TEMOVED FROM BETA IM GONNA IMPLODE
I hate it here
Why is this so specific 
Anyways alright 
Bro that is very good idea you got there
Seconding what Ash said—please don't feel like you can't send in your feedback! However, this channel is specifically for beta testing, so it really isn't the place to go into discussion about an issue in the Live version of the game
wait is there an official name for the season?
Brb gonna scream at my friend about beta

the season after this you should silently sneak in some among us related stuff without saying anything and make it a space season so we can Sus /j
when do we get to beta test:000
"Once all Gratitude spirits have arrived"
????????
Rn for ios and 1 hour later for android
come on google, i know you want to hibernate but now is not the time 
Ktjn said in this channel and in this channel only that the heart thing was not a bug, making it a beta issue
I'm a little confused by what you mean
We need to get some testing rounds of this next season in, as beta do!
Hope for....DISMISS?

The time has come to feast on bugs 
@frosty trout sorry for the ping but will there be new beta waves soon?
what do you think beans are?

As event spirits, for funsies, not as traveling spirits
this is too much for my pea brain to comprehend help
Can someone bean me 
aha how eheh?
im patiently waiting for the beta invites wave 
NOOO 
~~People would kill us if we sent 5 TS at once don't do this to us
~~
Beta? not glitchy?
impossible
this is it guys
Blame me if there's an among us x sky crossover
Tiny sad violin
Hi yes I want to say I'm static but I also want to stay on the "things are gonna change don't get too excited but for now riot"
there is so much going on
WATA SEASON
Im crying for not having beta
Oh the entire fandom will, as ktjn said
They'll skin you alive
Last beta wave was soooo long ago
don't worry, i'm sure you'd be reborn shortly afterwards
Huh, thats interesting. Did 3 daily quests 10 minutes ago and got normal candles, finished a fourth one and got a seasonal candle for flight. this is before i updated. interesting thingie there
!! 

I know right 
Im crying that i have to wait for the beta update because of google is slow
Like 3months ago idk if they plan on giving new wave
🌊 
At least,,, I can bask in the spirit's beauty without having to loose winged light reliving it,,, 
Season of H2o I have been waiting 
season of wæter testing has been fulfilled /hj /lh
you think you have it bad? I've watched the link disappear right before I clicked on it.
i'm still updating. has anyone been able to test yet?
please don't argue with company staff. This channel is for discussion of things active beta. We haven't been telling conversation to move to other channels, but at this point with new testers and new content, we will be asking discussion of live features to move to channels like #general-sky-discussion
WATER DIVINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Aybss which floor?:D
Yeah but then I'd have to go and recollect all my stars and I don't even remember where I found them
my update went so fast for a few secs then got very slow,,, the suspense
So which realm is this season located btw?
Season of diving or the season of the depths seem like a fitting title
sea:children of the ocean

The new season is at gw?
genuinely really upset, i punched the wall and it hurt im an idiot this is all my fault i hate everything
uh what
Goys
feedback on live content should be discussed in live channels.
Super slow update, the anticipation is climbing 
guys stop asking us questions its still very new to us toooo 
do it for april fools day but also make it a spirit with nothing else but a white mask with a smiley face horribly drawn on for one candle
the five smile men
Season of the deep

Had a crazy dream last night about an update in sky having the elder bird but turns out it's ABYSS
Season of Wo'or
I see ktjn 
season of blublububblblbblbl
also mine finished updating muwhahahahahaha
so close yet so far
New season in wasteland?

bea, honey. eat a snickers
Man see yall in an hour besties 😩 /lighthearted
Plot twist it becomes the most loved cosmetic and everyone wants it back
I choked on my breakfast seeing the update, thinking it was just another bug fix 
RIGHT
sky goes emo mode with the name
Then please address the issue in live channels
@final garden if you continue to argue and refuse our advice you'll be muted, which will prevent you from discussing heart gifting in any channel
Not the Dream spirit 😭
Wait, which Gratitude spirit is it? Gratitude guide?
WAIT
Im ksm IM CYD NIMAHAHSJA
Update takes toooooo lonnnnnggg
It's normal 
mine just finished updating woohoo
Beta being normal? Yeah, right
WHAT ABOUT GRATITUDE
first there's underwater stuff AND NOW MY SEASON OH MY GOD IM GONNA UNSCREW MY KNEECps
im in the game i finished updatimg, now what do i do 👁👄👁💧
POV : You're an android beta tester
Here are the messages if anyone is wondering about the gratitude spirits 
#beta-discussion message
#beta-discussion message
the longer it takes to update, the more time we have to actually read #beta-announcements like we say we will
the big cloud in home is freaking out omg
Ssffasfasrffbñmk OCEAN
Deer guide!! Omg we've seen grandma and now the Deer

Wait, what does this mean ?
Is dismiss not in the TS pool ?
This is too vague for me www
Some people thinking beta isn't buggy, laughs in black clouds
please mute me i think i'm not with the right mindset, i don't think i should be talking rn
We android testers oughta be patient and aggressively but calmly wait until updoot comes hshs
I like that they're doing this with past guides it's nice
I would like to take this moment to emphasize and repeat this point for everyone 😌
I wanna see the new items... are they updated????
You're gonna what? 
THE CAPES.... THE HAIR.... AAA
Season of 🐬🐋🐬🐋🐬🐋
Im just gonna keep aggressively refreshing my google play 
Alright get to the Screenshot channel
I've read the patch notes and so should you 
notice there's no new items that need to buy with hearts. so the team do know we can't gain heart in beta now 
spongebob profanity
What's the point in reading through the updates with a fine tooth comb when there will undoubtedly be undocumented changes again? 
NEW SEASON? IM ANDRIOD PLEASE
I adore the new trend of bringing back past guides for events, please continue 
I just received the beta slot yesterday and... Beta was so empty waiting for 30 minutes for someone to open the gate 🤣
PLS I REALLY WANTED IT TO BE IN ISLE
sorry for freaking out i need to leave
the mask with the scar looking thingie!!!!! aahhhh!!!!!
Boat?
Plot twist: it's at home's Beach /j
The came back as the place holders for the event spirits I believe 
HELP i booted up discord to see how the beta chat is doing with the new update since my stuff is taking a bit and now my computer's fans are screaming 😭
PLS PLAYSTORE HURRY UP
ah i purposely kept my beta acc as a one wedge...gonna be hard to navigate to the new season area
??
Sky's fans are screaming too
It is gonna be there at android after 3 hour probably
LOL!
@carmine thorn Once again, if you wish to leave feedback regarding Live - feel free to do so in Live channels.
Ohh I see I see :0
The context was a bit too vague, so I assumed something else www
Ah yes time for some Discord Stress Test 
scream back at the fans and be a robot 
Shoot. It's one in the morning for me and I'm on Android. I'll have to check this out in the morning. Expect a very delayed scream in about 8 hours!
Wait sorry what is there an invite wave???
my devices always get warm when they're updating so at least i can pretend they're hand warmers, my room is freezing cold rn ;-;
not another boat 💀
there are no new invites
only Updoot \[T]/
Get a hot rock 
Think of the Gratitude spirits as party crashers coming to see the fun that the event guide spirit is getting into.
Event spirits are completely unrelated to Traveling spirits.
This is the same thing as bringing the Grandma spirit back, except now they're bringing the metaphorical party confetti.
This is unrelated, I repeat, unrelated to Traveling Spirits
Not me having a heart attack over the new season announcement I've wanted an underwater place for so long you have no idea
OH NO MY SCIENCE CLASS
I'm so late 
i had a pet rock named coconut once a few years ago,
ok back to work goodbye y'all and i hope things go well 
Repeated unrelated like 3times 🤣🤣 soooo like are the spirits related in anyway?🤔
Where can I enter the new season map ;-; I couldn’t find it
I ate it 
SKYBOT NOOOO
Waiting for the update to come to play store 😭😭
its in wasteland near the boat, not in ark
Rip, goodbye new season
Aaaaaand game crashed when I pulled out my lantern
if you are having trouble finding the seasonal area on your own, make sure to leave something in #beta-feedback 
SKYBOT EVERY FLIPPING TIIIIMEEEEE
WAAA
It was nice briefly knowing the seasons RIP
That's a beta problem also. We've had surprise changes not relayed to us countless times slowly severing the trust we had in TGC. It is as much a beta issue as it is live. More so for beta since plenty of us filled out bug reports in vain due to it being a change left undocumented. How did that pertain to live again? Or are you just snuffing out the ones who are vocal about the issue?
Imma return to the craze soon, rn I gotta do a very important English project, cya guys, scream louder for me 
Uhmmm the new update is only available for IOS as of now?
The boat with krill?? But I could fly to there
SkyBot do be evolving
They must be very hydrated rn 
Hold on where’s the new season again?
wait the new season is here?
Android comes in an hour 🥲 👍
season of water 
jkjkj theres stil no name of it
Skybot just did "Hydrate" 
Apple users are lucky 
shoot, my android phone is crying😆
I'll go update the game !
We have one
abyss
theres a boat that will take you there :D
They were always lucky ..
Season of 🌊🌊🌊
Ooooo I’ll go find it thx!!!!
I wish someone on YouTube would do a live showcase of this beta
Except for that one time where android went first 
W a t e r
Beta isn't for showcasing
It's for bug harvesting and documentation- 
That's uncountable from all of these lucks
iOS was the only version which got sky first
Android users got sky from season of enchantment
You see a huge difference don't u
And a heaven of crashes and glitches
Looking at u nastymold
||jk||
What's the theme for this season?
from what i've seen from the friendship constellation, it is much nicer to use and not disorienting! nice upgrade. now if only it looked a bit nicer....
feesh? 
abyss....ENTER SPIRAL ABYSS TRAVE-
gets beaned
Reject being Moth, Accept being Fish 
I want a swimsuit for sky kids, they deserve to be cool and ready for summer
Potato fish
OMG TH NEE SESSON POOKS GOOD
Good one tho i hope it stays
New Season BUGS!!
Does it mean we are Mermaids or Sirens now ? 
Wait what IS the new season in Beta?! 
Season of Animal Crossing Underwater Diving?
season of fish of course
Season of holy water
I know, I just wanted to point that one out 
I identify as a
in this Season lmao
Sirens have a bad reputation so maybe a loud mermaid?
The fish scarf, is it from the season or from the event?
Event
As a jellyhair, this mean I'll go back home to the sea 
The shawl is so funny looking
Diving underwater. Finally, it takes 2 years to make that feature a thing. Just like volume button in 1 year since release
I think it's from the event judging from it's placement in the closet.
yall wheres the season entrance. i forgot 6 seconds after entering shipwreck
I've been wondering that as well! But as beta testers we should do our best to figure out and test things on our own before asking. Remember that your struggles can help many players in the Live version and that feedback is extremely useful for TGC! Please submit them in #beta-feedback 
Omg this season is so similar to abzu and I’m loving it
How can i cancel the first quest? X,,,D
I am eager for the update to finally drop...clenches fist...I am hungry for bugs
I’m actually speechless…. This is mind blowing jeez you guys out-did yourself once again TGC
Sb ping me when the android update came thanks 
let the new season hype commence!!!!
Abyss guide, omg
oh wow uh oh god
I'M GETTING THE AP
Ooooohhhhh thank you!!
SAME
Honking Mermaids
I'm sorry but as Uzephi just stated, so much feedback and bug reports were done in beta, yet the feature, that looked like a bug first in beta, made it into live. Nothing was mentioned in the live nor beta, or ever addressed. Then afterwards players on their own had to give themselves a headache in figuring out through support that it was an intended feature, yet again leaving players to figure out how this works, what doesn't, what does, it's a whole headache, especially during an event that needs the heart system, but it doesn't work and no one wants to officially address it, properly. It's the developers job to announce all the new features and explain them, rather than sneakily implement it without explaining anything. I understand that this is no longer a beta issue because it's more so an issue in live, but this was a beta issue in the beginning, as well as the developers, that caused this
Hey I got called in the middle of the opening cutscene, how do you get to the seasonal place? 😅
If i remember correctly, one of the Devs saying that some of the old TGC staff used to work for Abzu.
Before the test, people wants the "underwater" season. TGC actually did a great job
Ngl I'm excited to see my girlfriend happy with the news 
not a beta user ||yet||
but same 
Well I’m glad they took inspiration!
im absolutely speechless,,,
this is a dream,,; also i almost drowned LOL
Where's the new season located at? Prairie, isle...? Just bc I'm curious
I ate it 
Eh, why I don't get my beta updated?
wasteland
Sea: Children of the Water
Android ? We gotta wait longer
my phone rn:

Yeah, we also having headache about the camera in the office studio section during testing
@gilded parrot ate the season u can’t update anymore
If your in android u may have to wait a bit
where is this season realm located?
Reminder that as testers, we should try looking for things in Beta ourselves when possible! If you are still struggling to find something, please remember to submit it in #beta-feedback as that feedback is very valuable for TGC and can help many players in Live 
See the line where the Sky meets the Sea, it hjonks at me 
Oh, thank you guys !!@tribal grove @jolly bear @spark lance 
Let me be honest the ult cape don't look...like an ult
DON'T GET ME WRONG BUT LIKE-
Oh?
oh geez. here comes the new beta peeps!
ITS HAPPENING
I can already hear all the "Season of water" Memes in the making.
woooo invite wave!
ready yourselves to greet the new ones
WOAH BETAV INVITE
Beta invites too 👀 omg
I’m in 😈
YOOOOOO

but no one knows... how loud it goesss...

my TestFlight isn’t working aaaa :( guess I’ll only be able to get on beta with my old ipad
BETA INVITEEE
( insert image of that one dude with the tornado ) HERE THEY COMEE
Yaaay new beta wave!
OMG never before have I ever hit a beta invite so fast
Things could still change though right?
oh my gosh. I've been trying to download the android beta SINCE THE END OF ASSEMBLY TESTING and it still wont download
Damn
get your #beta-faq and #beta-announcements ready 
bruh is android full or what
uhh since theres an invite wave im not gonna get kicked out of beta right-? 
beta moths incoming yesss
it's already full 
My goodness yall r fast