beta-discussion

[hidden nova]

hey hey hey wait i never said it only shows up once can be twice after you die too! who says there should be a limit

[spark stone]

wondering if anyone can possibly send screenshot of how the new tier 2 capes (that's not available on live) look like to the ss channel/my dm? i would appreciate it very much! 😄

[daring gate]

I don't want to sound like I'm arguing! 1- I meant that taking responsibility includes to announce that a feature is there, like all others. And 2 - Yes! There shouldn't be a limit...

[autumn bane]

the white and black tier 2 capes even had unique new star icons (a hexagon) but they have been removed for the moment. i hope its just temporary and they add this new star style when they send the new capes in Live

[hidden nova]

i dont think thats allowed

[gilded talon]

We are not supposed to honor this sort of demands. Please kindly refer to the pin in #beta-screenshots-videos You are free to look through #beta-screenshots-videos for possible pictures tho

[spark stone]

ah okay, thank you so much 😄 thank you for telling me as well!

[gilded talon]

I really like those unique star icons too

[hidden nova]

nahhhh you wouldnt get that of you are below 100 and only after you die also there always be an option to tap yes or no also ht elimit one was joke heh

[timid bough]

i remember someone posting the full set of tier 2 capes in #beta-screenshots-videos

[daring gate]

Oh btw, does anyone know why gen chat's down?

[autumn bane]

they make the capes a little bit more unique but still discret

[timid bough]

drama that shouldn't be discussed

[sick pendant]

So I've recently noticed that both season of dreams and season of prophecy areas lack home shrine.
Both sanctuary and enchantment have one. Why these 2 don't?

[daring gate]

Maybe TGC thought they weren't being used.

[autumn bane]

https://kotaku.com/a-hat-generates-big-controversy-in-latest-sky-children-1846201880/amp

[timid bough]

TGC decided its obsolete

[hidden nova]

aw but i love the home shrines makes it have rpg feel too it

[daring gate]

I use the home shrines when I'm trying to communicate with people I don't have chat with. I just point to the shrine and sit to indicate I wanna go home.

[timid bough]

the only home shrine that gets used is the one in vault just to go oob

[sick pendant]

Oh wow,... I won't comment any thing more to keep this chat from turning into chaos, but I'll just say... OH WOOW

[stray elk]

SAME

[gilded talon]

Or maybe it’s for esthetic reasons? Maybe they can’t possibly place a return shrine anywhere in Prophecy cave or Village of Dreams without them standing out in the overall scenery?

[gilded talon]

What oob is it used for if I may ask?

[stray elk]

Wait you can go oob if you sit on it?

(also I saw a shrine in beta, but I can't find it again, probably removed :( but also wasteland social space is close by)

[timid bough]

its part of a larger plan to bring down reset barriers to go oob in places for example prairie elder

[autumn bane]

there is no plan to break oob my dear
sad part, there is no plan to protect them from unintended breaks resulting from other fixes

rip table method for elder rooms

[stray elk]

I forgot about the tables.......... aaaaaaa

[autumn bane]

you can still visit the elder rooms if you have a friend with warp

[daring gate]

Elder rooms still don't remain protected .,)

[timid bough]

you bring a friend to the place where you want to break reset barrier and oob at then you go home and go into vault use the home shrine and quickly go follow your friend and you will notice all reset barriers are down note your friend can't follow you over the reset barrier

[gilded talon]

Wait wdym by reset barriers?

[sick pendant]

Could u please specify what do u mean by reset barriers? I'm not sure i understand

[timid bough]

you know sometimes you reach a point where your screen goes white and you teleport? that

[autumn bane]

is it very efficent or not? i only could remove reset walls from a few areas

reset walls are sending you to a white screen and back to the beginning of the area, preventing you from leaving the intended gameplay area

[stray elk]

Wait I forgot how to go to the elders with warp!

(Reset barriers warp you back to the start or to another area)

[daring gate]

Reset barriers are the barriers that make your screen go white and you get put to your latest checkpoint registered by the game. By breaking this registering mechanic, you break the reset barriers.

[sick pendant]

So to break reset barriers i need to go back home through vaults home shrine?

[timid bough]

the only places i know to go with this trick is prairie elder and above the clouds in ark

[autumn bane]

both you and your friend reach the temple of any elder. one of you sits, the other one waits. once A is in the cutscene, they freeze their screen, B warps. B will be in the elder room. B detached, A goes back to the game, and will be able to join their friend from home

[hidden nova]

didnt they put wind walls to some elders places? even after you remoce reset barrier? like forest one

[gilded talon]

Just another normal day in beta gen talking about how to break the game lmao

[daring gate]

Wind walls are not like reset barriers .,)

[autumn bane]

always have been there :/

[timid bough]

wind walls are the final boss of sky oobing

[stray elk]

does it work for the 7th quest

[hidden nova]

yes but you cant manually fly to forest elders place
edit:
ohhh i got it

[autumn bane]

sadly thats the only way i have fun in this game anymore. i just try to find cool techniques. its like problem solving, its fun to do. no intentions to annoy anyone

[tough oracle]

how do you freeze the screen 👀

[gilded talon]

I totally get you M. it’s just so much fun oobing

[autumn bane]

what is cool with the prairie temple is removing the reset walls also removes wind walls. flying from the temple to the elder is so pretty

@tough oracle you freeze by closing your screen or minimizing the app

[gilded talon]

I switch to backstage tasks on iOS to do it. Dunno how it works on Android tho

[sick pendant]

?

[autumn bane]

the way to remove wind walls is my only dream

@sick pendant to break reset walls you need a rather simple technique but tough to write, do you want me to try?

[sick pendant]

Yes please. Feel free to dm

[tender oasis]

Android just lock your screen for a few secs with the button on the side of your phone. @tough oracle

[hidden nova]

you stil need some friend to sacrifice as you need to stay to the og place so you can tp to them but yeah hard to explain

[timid bough]

have a friend → go to the place → your friend stays and you go home → go into vault and return home with home shrine → quickly teleport to your friend → profit

[hidden nova]

only works with old phones who dont have background reading ex andoid 8.0.0 users tho i have samsung may be different for other phones

[timid bough]

be sure to get your friend's consent for being a literal sacrifice

[gilded talon]

Or use your alt

[daring gate]

Alts are always consentual sacrifices

[autumn bane]

any realm is ok, eden too. anything that resets last checkpoint

[timid bough]

yeah vault is just the most convenient

[autumn bane]

(alts are not illegal btw. using alts to obtain currency advantages is)

[stray elk]

2 clones in prairie social space, wait for one moth to join... bring in the rest

BRING IN THE ARMYYYYY

[timid bough]

alts are great to see what moths see

[paper fable]

Hello guys I’m new in the beta community, and I have the question about the saving data, I can link both games, in the same account and nothing will affect both acc games?

[autumn bane]

consider beta and live as two different games! its ok to link the same google account to save their datas

[daring gate]

Yes because they're both separate games. Your progress on beta could get wiped, but it will stay in beta.

[paper fable]

What do you mean by wiped?

[autumn bane]

your beta content can be set back to zero if they want to

[gilded talon]

#beta-faq for all that you need to know

[daring gate]

Ah both gen chats are dead (kinda)

[stray elk]

I mean this one is always quiet and the other one is legit dead

[amber umbra]

This chat tends to stay fairly quiet outside of invite waves and new seasonal content— in comparison anyway xD

Anyone wanna venture into eden with me this weekend? (not looking for a group, just throwing it out there since you‘re all my pals and we‘ve been given an important task )

[daring gate]

I mean I kinda wanna seee the kill switch

[autumn bane]

went alone and it was normal 😔

[stray elk]

We need to get everyone to eden, see how much lag there is on sundays on resets usually

[autumn bane]

if i complete a seasonzl suest during a season but dont collect the heart, will i have to buy it once the season is over, or will it still be free

[blazing sail]

Oh great there’s an adventure pack exploit again so I guess all my candles will be wiped again?

[gilded talon]

I might go with Umara and Peng this weekend to test out their graphic settings method to prevent death loop if you wanna join us.

[gilded talon]

Waaaat? How? nooooo I want to keep my candles

[autumn bane]

pls warp to me @gilded talon if you cna

[gilded talon]

Am I gonna be sacrificed?

[autumn bane]

non lol

[stray elk]

WAIT WHAT is it a hack or ingame glitch

[blazing sail]

I don’t know but I saw someone get a bunch

[autumn bane]

random hacker

[plucky cliff]

Hi ... how do I get the beta?

[blazing sail]

Ok so hopefully they have a way to deal with that that doesn’t affect the rest of us?

[left dragon]

Please refrain from developing this topic. We dont want extra attention to this events

[stray elk]

Seasonal candles do give a lot! If they are getting it for quite a long time, probably a hacker

[minor falcon]

please read #beta-faq for how to join

[lethal pivot]

Hello everyone,does the new beta of new season open ,yet? If not ,when ?
Thank you

[autumn bane]

its not open. last wave wast less than 2 months ago. i'd say by march but this is a pure guess

[tender oasis]

Not yet, usually when live season is about to end. Make sure you read #beta-faq and react to the ping roles if you want to get the invite announcement.

[normal iron]

Hey~ someone else cant make the Beta Update too? It always stops after half Update is done 😢

[gilded talon]

@normal iron I had this problem yesterday too. Sometimes it’s because lack of storage on phone. Sometimes it’s internet problem.

[normal iron]

Oh how you could handle then? @gilded talon

[gilded talon]

I just cleared up some storage on device

If it’s internet problem for you unfortunately the only way is to get a better connection

[pale junco]

I had a question
Should i not report a bug if it's already reported or i should i report it if it's not in #beta-known-issues

[gilded talon]

Always better to report if you have doubts

[hidden nova]

i had that question too hmmmhm

[drifting eagle]

you will have to buy the heart for three candles

[blazing sail]

No it was the adventure pass bc it had the red “spells” too

[hollow compass]

Ok, so currently there is no animation at all when collecting fragments from your friends?

[vague pewter]

hello! i’m not sure exactly where to ask this haha. i have missed beta invites before and i want to be prepared next time. i know there’s months in between the invite waves, but does it follow a specific schedule? if so when’s the next one?

[slate oak]

i know i'm responding so later but where where they supposed to be

[tribal grove]

I don’t believe it follows a specific schedule but you can get pinged for when they occur!

[little raptor]

Anyone know the prices for the TS in beta?

[slate oak]

there was 4. 2 levitating near the shrug emote spirit and two oob under the "hit your commrade" emote spirit

[vague pewter]

@tribal grove thanks!

[little raptor]

Once this season in beta ends, and they need more people to test the next season, they’ll send an invite wave to bring more people in

[vague pewter]

i see! and there’s no set time exactly?

[little raptor]

not exactly, just around a certain time, they’ll send a notice i think that invites will go out, and there are a few waves of invites so i think you can get in

[valid terrace]

"hit your comrade" - that's more accurate
I like that it's apparently called Playfight, but within its context it's certain it is definitely not an action of teasing

imagine if you'd spent ages collecting mushrooms with one of your crewmates, painstakingly, and whilst admiring the collection you'd made with them...they bump into you, and you drop one of those precious things in such a way so that it'll never be seen again

that's not playfighting, that's pure rage

[gilded talon]

Same as Live

[slate oak]

no it's totally random but the day is announced i think

[timid bough]

you can estimate its around the end of the current season in live

[vague pewter]

@little raptor ah perfect. thanks so much!

[strong tangle]

On what channel well they tell us the date of the waves thought?

[wild shore]

...

[slate oak]

true and that's what i thought back then 😭 (i was a semi moth tho) now let's change topic cuz it's no longer beta-related

[timid bough]

look at #beta-signup-info

[tough oracle]

they won't, you can read it at #beta-faq the dates are unknown and invites come when they do

[gilded talon]

The date of invite waves won’t be disclosed for preventing people from unhealthy behavior such as camping. All you can do is just get the beta invite ping and wait for notifications when the new invite waves go out

[strong tangle]

ohhhh ok! thank you

[little raptor]

but many waves will go out, so once you see one invite you can expect to see more

[spark lance]

Why is the Sky live chat not yet available ?? How boring that

[timid bough]

use #cozy-sky-discussion

[hollow compass]

That's not something us beta players have any ruling over.

[spark lance]

There is a team of moderators and staff here, they can control any situation of confusion and punish those involved. Release the chat...

[gilded talon]

Sometimes things just go out of control

[hollow compass]

Yeah, but this is not the chat to bring that up, since this is a channel dedicated to discussions about beta.

[spark lance]

So do not speak

[pale junco]

You can read more about it in #beta-faq and you can turn on pings in #beta-signup-info to get pinged when invites go out

[ionic bluff]

Use the correct channels to ask questions please! And the reasoning is something we have been asked not to talk about

[spark lance]

I will use the channel that is available so that I can answer my questions. I didn't say anything wrong, I just asked a question. You don’t need all the fuss, enough.

[ionic bluff]

#questions-and-help

[drifting eagle]

this channel can’t answer your question. it’s something the mods have explicitly asked us to not discuss. you can ask mods directly if you really need to know about it #contact-the-mods

[orchid nexus]

General chat is not open yet because we don't feel that it's possible yet to open discussion and further debate when emotions and tension are still high. We will open general chat as soon as we think it will be possible to have people discussing without attacking each other or each other's cultural identities. It's extremely important to us, and we understand and feel everyone's frustration.

[carmine thorn]

Back reading a bit. Also, good (solar positioning related statement) beta testers!my thoughts on the kill switch. Eden isn't a place our skykids are supposed to survive. Look at the statues we are trying to save. Having an indiscriminate amount of time to live, depending on player count in the server, makes perfect sense. I just hope when it's polished, we can get a lore related message of our impending doom (like we get the "x days for shrine reset" while in pnr). Something like."the storm is too strong, hurry before it engulfs you!"

[drifting eagle]

I don’t have many beta friends so i havent done eden yet- is this kill switch you described in game currently or just an idea?

[hollow compass]

Oh, I like that idea! I actually forgot to check how long it took for the switch to kick in, but it seemed like maybe 15-ish minutes? It's quite a long time, so you shouldn't have to worry about not being able to light enough statues.

[carmine thorn]

It's a long time, yes. It's in beta testing.

[drifting eagle]

Oof, no more sightseeing in eden?

[carmine thorn]

I mean lore wise we aren't supposed to? look at the 63 others who froze in place.

[tender oasis]

Or any warning at the point of no return choosing screen? lore related would be better probably but i’m not sure everyone would understand that message.
Kill switch was around 20 and 25 as far as i remember from today.

[sullen relic]

I feel like we do lose some of the impact on first-time players going into the storm though if they were forced to die by a timer rather than if they died by their own attempts to push further forward. It's not something we really experience anymore as experienced players who go into Eden for the ascended candles, but it definitely strikes a different note to reluctantly move forward into a hopeless looking situation under your own resolve than if you were rushed into doing so because of an encroaching timer.

[hollow compass]

But the timer only starts once the first player dies, so if you're lucky there isn't anyone else there and you can take your time.

[carmine thorn]

Iirc, the timer doesn't start until one player dies. It's also a variable timer taking into account how many have perished and are still alive. If you're a new player, realistically, you'd be the one to start the timer. Lower Wing count and all.

[sullen relic]

I see what you mean, but some of the earlier discussion also mentioned having the timer as a means of counteracting moths who might be hesitating while a more experienced player has already gone ahead and died at later statues; my thoughts were primarily in response to that particular scenario, which I don't think is that uncommon either (or perhaps my thoughts are more addressing the idea of forcing a new player to hurry up and miss out on the experience of making their own choice -- I don't want design choices to be made at the expense of a new player's first experience at the area)

[lusty light]

I mean I hope the experienced player isn’t just leaving the newbie in the dust

[carmine thorn]

Shouldn't the veteran players help the moth though?

[drifting eagle]

Maybe disable the timer if it’s your first Eden run

[carmine thorn]

Every time I entered eden and saw a new player, I would wait at the lantern before the constant rock rain to make sure they made it to that point or perished, then collect the children past that point. It's not like it is a race since we all go to dark room at the same time.

[slim kayak]

the reason why the kill switch is there in the first place is to avoid death loop. i'm not sure tgc can disable it for new players, especially if they go with a seasoned player

[sullen relic]

they did mention the kill timer was a last ditch attempt at overcoming the death loop, though i'm still holding out hope that they find a way of getting around it that doesn't put us all on a timer -- i don't think i'm particularly liking the idea overall even though i can see its merits and how it's thematically fitting for the area

[carmine thorn]

Imagine the other side of the story, spearmonkey, a veteran player afks, griefs, etc. New player is an orb, looping until that other player disconnects or dies also. Could be 20mins, could be two hours. Which is the worse scenario?

[pale junco]

Seasoned player

[sick pendant]

What krill switch y'all talking about 👀 there's new option i missed?

[haughty wyvern]

Yes, and eden has very strong effects on sensitive people anyway. That should not be underestimated

[tender oasis]

Not an option

[slim kayak]

when in eden, if you stay for too long, you start losing all of your winged light. it kinda... explodes out of you

[hollow compass]

It's been the topic of testing for the past 3-4 updates now.

[sick pendant]

Oh THAT... So y'all named it kill switch?

[valid terrace]

I haven't been to Eden for ages, I'm not up-to-date...but interesting

[pale junco]

Thanos snap if you may

[left dragon]

I cant read the word normally in real life now too. I have too many krills in my mind

[sick pendant]

Kill, krill, what's the difference?

!krill oreo

[pale junco]

I've been reading it as krill switch and i'm like whaa until now

[pale junco]

Cursed pfp

[hollow compass]

We've been encouraged to test Eden, so maybe give it a go! 🙂

[slim kayak]

take some friends with you and have a tea party

[carmine thorn]

Who's down to go rn?

[sick pendant]

Me, let's go n die

[hollow compass]

Again? (I'm having dinner and I don't think I have the energy this evening. Maybe in the weekend?)

[valid terrace]

it's of who I missed because timezones and await with eager eyes

[pale junco]

Can't find anyone to go with 🥲

[sullen relic]

I can't say I have an answer I like for that scenario: the kill timer would indeed prevent that kind of griefing, but I still feel like it'd change the narrative significantly if a moth were to die to it. For me personally, I genuinely can't just give a clear-cut answer that griefing prevention is worth taking away from the first experience, but that really just ends as my own personal opinion on it.

[slim kayak]

ooooo wait. i don't have much time right now, i'll have to pass for this one. have a nice death!

[pale junco]

He he i got all emote upgrades. Reset happens around 1:30pm for me so it's very convenient

[drifting eagle]

sorry, i missed your message- please ping me when you’re reply (it’s in my nickname as a reminder)
this makes sense, but i hope they are able to find a solution that doesn’t press players to rush. it does fit the lore of the area but it breaks from the rest of the game where stopping to enjoy the moment or take in the scenery is encouraged

[sick pendant]

Who wants to establish a playground in eden? I'll bring a seesaw someone bring a swing

[sullen relic]

good lord, beta testing really is just death and chaos right now due to what we're testing

[pale junco]

Me if you take me

[carmine thorn]

I did that... Let me find the video. (Swinged to my death) edit, here: #beta-screenshots-videos message

[minor falcon]

short lived playground

[sick pendant]

I'm too weak in beta to take anyone

[twin gate]

R and without r

[pale junco]

I can uber ya

[haughty wyvern]

I really love sky that much, but since it's a game for kids, families, and all ages I don't understand why Eden has to be so tough. That is too bad. Actually the game is full of harmony and beauty and then comes eden ...

[pale junco]

Going to put cheap thrills in background while dying in eden 😌

[slim kayak]

ah sorry! i usually don't like pinging people. yeah, i don't really like the kill switch too much, even though its fun to look at. hopefully the devs find a better fix for death loop, but for right now, this is what we've got

[drifting eagle]

Yeah I think that the kill timer is probably less immersion-breaking than zombie bug is for a new player

[oak berry]

theres also wasteland but even in the most desolate places you can find beauty, it's just reeaally hard in eden

[hollow compass]

Sky is kind of a metaphor for life, so Eden is really a natural conclusion. But yes, just yesterday I saw two players mention they hadn't been to Eden ever in the 1-2 years they had played.

[slim kayak]

but, ascent and orbit its really satisfying to ascend after having gone through eden

[oak berry]

So they've never been over 7 stars or seen the credits?

[hollow compass]

And they've also never bought any of the stuff above the AC locks. But each to their own. They didn't seem too bothered.

[sullen relic]

now that you mention it, ascended candles only really stop you from getting the upper levels of a travelling spirit's tree, and maybe some ark spells -- but it wouldn't stop players from exploring the realms or just playing the seasons

[slim kayak]

i mean, its not like they'll be locked out of the game by not going to eden. nothing tells you that you have to go, but i feel that its a shame, since one of the most beautiful parts of the game comes right after eden

[hollow compass]

yes, it's a tough challenge, but the reward is beautiful (and "monetary").

[oak berry]

I havent been to eden on live or beta for quite some time now though, I think I'll go soon

[hollow compass]

I basically stopped going in Live after I completed the constellations. I only go occasionally when I need more AC for the TS wing buffs.

[sullen relic]

i, uh, may be grinding daily right now for live candles

[slim kayak]

i usually only go if i need ac. i like savoring the experience, so i don't like going very often. this week is an exception though cause of the kill switch

[haughty wyvern]

It is difficult for children who go to eden unprepared. I've seen someone get really shocked and stop playing

[sullen relic]

the anxiety and shock is part of the experience though -- that contrast is what highlights the experience of the ascent and orbit, as well as rebirth

[haughty wyvern]

Hmm, I understand what you mean, but is a shock really needed? Don’t misunderstand me.. I really love sky!! I am just thinking about those things

[drifting eagle]

i think it’s important to show how vastly different eden is from the rest of the game. it’s for the lore, like prairie is very peaceful and fun but gw and eden (even forest to an extent) are dreary because of what’s happened there

[sullen relic]

it's a fairly realistic look at death and self-sacrifice, which is inherently a confronting topic for anyone to look at regardless of what age they're at -- it's definitely going to stress some people out more than others, but i don't really feel it's inappropriate as a whole (especially with how the narrative encourages and rewards generosity, when you die because you're giving away your own light to save the statue children)

[haughty wyvern]

Ok, I understand what it shall show and effect. Would there a little softer version be enough ?

[slim kayak]

i don't know how they can change eden at this point. big changes to the core game might end up losing the ultimate message that they were going for. but i do like the current version of eden over what i've seen from the light awaits version. you had to lose your emotes instead of stars, since stars didn't exist yet

[sullen relic]

Soreia, what did you have in mind for making the area not as confronting?

One thing I do miss from the Light Awaits version is the ability to drag fallen friends along with you: very neat mechanic and way of encouraging cooperative play, but I don't think it really has a place in Eden as it is right now.

(just to remind myself how we got onto this topic: the kill switch solves death looping as a "game mechanic" problem, but it may impact on how the story and emotional journey is experienced on first-time runthroughs)

[haughty wyvern]

Hmm, i could Imagine to give all the light away and go to heaven peacefully. There are many ways to die. Not to hear, how the last heartbeat sounds. But surely, it would change the story somehow, and i know, many people like it as it is. Different meaning can be found everywhere.

[minor falcon]

on one hand the kill switch underlines the inevitability of death, you can't hide forever - a first time runner wouldn't know it's a new feature

[hollow compass]

I do find Eden quite overwhelming soundwise, though. So I often just play with sound off. But when I do have the sound on, the heartbeat thing gets to me every time. It's unpleasant.

[haughty wyvern]

I don’t know the light awaits version...

[hollow compass]

At one point you would give light to statues with your friends' names on them.

[spark lance]

oh goodness that sounds so sad

[oak berry]

oh gosh

[stray elk]

the sound of metal scissors being dropped again and again

[ionic bluff]

Anyone remember that strange bug from prophecy where valley turned neon yellow?

[finite meteor]

valley of limeumph

[spark lance]

it still happens occasionally for me.. but in eden for some reason?

[stray elk]

THE PINK ROCK IN THE CAVE

[ionic bluff]

I think I still have pictures, gonna have to dig them up

AND THE MAGENTA ROCK DHEJDJDKS

[tawny ember]

Only what I understand - need wait?

[stray elk]

Rip the pink grass, you were lovely, can't wait to see you in live!

[lapis ore]

If you're looking to join beta, read #beta-faq and get the ping role(s) so you will be pinged when the invite waves start again how did that not set off the bot

[spark lance]

i miss the pink bed from yeti slope. lol

[stray elk]

Whosm elsem did them finalness questness a thousandness times and is tiredness from the cutsceneness and the waitness timeness for the sitting (I was testing the quest since people look like they are floating )

[spark lance]

i did it once and just went "yeah that was cute. no issues here." and then forgot about it entirely for some reason

[stray elk]

When the effects of the dragon lag spikes
When the lag
When you see something you shouldn't
When you see someone abusing beta
When there are shadows at home

[spark lance]

the WHAT at home

[stray elk]

There was like a graphics glitch where home is covered by black,

[ionic bluff]

I FOUBD THEMMMMM

[spark lance]

i never saw that or heard of it. sounds spooky (i took a week off beta so if it was in known issues i mighta missed it lol)

[stray elk]

#beta-screenshots-videos message

[ionic bluff]

I posted them!

[spark lance]

oh that is terrifying

[stray elk]

Remember the blue and yellow texture failures? They kept it too?

[slim kayak]

they might just haven't fixed them yet. they don't impact gameplay, so its probably a low priority bug.

[stray elk]

When people run before you can bean them

[slate oak]

:0 thanks for answering :)

[north cliff]

how can I return my candles from the first spirit??

[slate oak]

wym, you bough something you didn't want in beta?

[north cliff]

oh sorry I wanted to write it in the live version discussion

[carmine thorn]

No one looped in our run! anyone else had a loop since last update?

[lyric kite]

If you have questions, you can ask in #questions-and-help the live chat channel is closed for now due to some issues in the community and the mods don't have the capacity to handle it all right now

[lapis ore]

whoops sent early now i gotta wait highlighter valley looks weirdddd

[sick pendant]

When ascending to orbit and flying next to spirits the hide n seek spirit appears in their old form. Can someone please test this when reborning?

[stray elk]

I'm dead rn, and didn't go to orbit, when I have time

[carmine thorn]

Does hide and seek have new model at home and forest still?

[lapis ore]

I saw their new form yesterday, haven't gone since the update though (I'm ios btw)

[spark lance]

will one day in future our skykid having a tail?

[vapid briar]

Goo morning y'all
Were there any deathloop issues in the newest build? If so, please @ me with videos of it occurring

[spark lance]

eden after thousand of deathloop fix it still survive

[carmine thorn]

Went with three others to test. 2 died 2 hit the kill switch. No loops. Will try later with Emma if our times align... Maybe Kai also when they're free.

Oh, I put a video in #beta-screenshots-videos of something odd. Is that normal behaviour? or should the rock have made me lose a star? Maybe it's intended since I was near other players and a lantern...

[spark lance]

oh does any here having problem with "the light" keep refreshing after light a friend on live server

[lapis ore]

You mean the constellation refresh? Or what

[spark lance]

yea, idk it fixed yet or not cuz when i'm in my other account (google account) it doesnt happen, and my main account that linked with facebook it still happening

[pale junco]

Btw how much time it takes for kill switch to activate

[carmine thorn]

at least 10 mins after first death. It scales depending on how many players are in instance, death count, etc iirc... That is if I read ktjn's message about it correctly.

[little raptor]

It happens to me on live all the time

[spark lance]

look like it still not get fix xD cuz i was wondering, that bug has been a while on live so i dont know does it get fixed yet or not

[random gull]

i just woke up like half an hour ago and am backreading the last 12 hours of conversation in pretty much good whenever now. i also think i found a volunteer to be a "stranger" going in with is and well add her as a friend afterwards. oh no sorry i forgot to turn off ping

[carmine thorn]

I can be the looper since I'm just living off wing buffs right now. Edit: no need to worry, I've been active for the past few minutes in the discord. cold pings are what's bad. Your's technically wasn't a cold ping.

[lapis ore]

Gahhh testflight won't updoot qwq
Ik it'll work eventually, but if I uninstall and reinstall I'm still in the program right? Just don't click "stop testing"?

[vapid briar]

correct, it's linked to your apple account so un/reinstalling apps has no bearing on that.

[plucky remnant]

does anyone know approximately when the in-game translator will be implemented into live? I've heard about people talking about it since season of prophecy

[slim kayak]

The translator has been in beta for almost a year now, we have no idea if/when it'll come to live. Probably not anytime soon

[random gull]

oh that reminds me i had a bug to report on in game translation now to remember which build this conversation occurred on oops

[tough oracle]

when filling in bug reports, how long should I wait for my video to upload before giving up > like does it say if the video is too big? or how do I know it;s just sloooow

[gilded talon]

it’s after compressing video step I think, after this it will tell you if it’s too big

[tough oracle]

it's been compressing for nearly 5 mins now though

[lapis ore]

Might be easier to post it as an unlisted yt video and put a link then

[random gull]

anyone know which build we were on Feb 1st around 11am TGC time? im sure this translation (that essentially translated a word to English that if said in English would turn the text red) would still occur in this build but i should probably be accurate as i can be

[tough oracle]

you might be able to see it by going back in updates?

[gilded talon]

160951 I think

[random gull]

thanks Emma. i didn't even think to look in the updates channel man im tired

[gilded talon]

That’s why you should get sneep when you could Kai

[random gull]

is 12 hours good enough i kinda slept through the whole day

[carmine thorn]

Kai, we good to go test some things out in Eden? I need to bring a swing and try to swing into the rocks for science

[random gull]

let me finish this bug report and ill see if my stranger can come too

[gilded talon]

I can join you guys just finished dinner

[random gull]

im gonna go chill in home space while i wait for my "stranger" and the mutual friend who will get them to us to respond

[carmine thorn]

Let's get dangerous.

[random gull]

i was trying to light those orbs from the dragon and yeeter on the ice so fast i just yeeted myself into isle

[gilded talon]

I’ll join you in a bit

[stray elk]

@random gull Kai... It was such a horrible idea to stay up to 5am to test with you... BUT IT WAS SO MUCH FUNNNNNnnn plus we found glitches That day, I couldn't pay attention to class

[sick pendant]

Hello Ktjn 👋🏻 no death loops for us. But the hide'n'seek pioneer appears in their previous tall form in space when flying to the orbit

[left dragon]

Did anyone notice how if an exploding orb floats in the water, its underwater part is invisible? Im not sure, also didnt manage to take a picture. Just asking for now

[slim kayak]

ah yeah, ever since the orbs were introduced, they went invisible underwater

[left dragon]

Should i report this, or its at the point of known issue?

[random gull]

theyre invisible for me entirely. and im not getting wax from them even if i light them (light icon shows)

[tender oasis]

Blue light are also affected by windwalls now?

[lapis ore]

Is there anything else I can do other than keep trying to update? Testflight is being stubborn today 🙃 turns out I didn’t have enough space, it downloaded now

[random gull]

so mochi was able to warp to me while i was alive after they died in eden and went to the dark room not long after warping to me. they stayed attached to me the entire time and didnt go to ascent with a cape while everyone else had one. and i somehow entirely skipped the cutscene after flying out of the dark room

[gilded talon]

And Uzephi was able to carry me by piggy back in form of blue light and I just ascended real up high in stormlock sky before falling down

[carmine thorn]

Image in #beta-screenshots-videos

[ionic bluff]

maitentce

[little raptor]

Yes

[light depot]

Does this mean servers are down now?

[slim kayak]

in about 40 minutes

[random gull]

no the servers will be available but unstable. they may work fine for some or crash for others. just expect unstability

[ionic bluff]

mantenc

TGC DO BE WORKING

[vapid briar]

15:00 PST is about 34 minutes from now

[little raptor]

Ty

[slim kayak]

back to back updates this week, server maintenance, wow, that's a lot

[random gull]

im finally actually doing candle runs i did two in a row yall

[valid terrace]

I haven’t been to Eden for ages aaaa

[gilded talon]

I did full cr today for stress testing candle forging at reset

[little raptor]

I only did eden today so i could get winter piano in beta, I don’t even have enough tho

[random gull]

ive been about 10 times in the last 3days ill go with you later if ya want

[little raptor]

I love how at reset in beta your light get restored, when i first saw it happen i was like woah

[lapis ore]

I like the timer ding makes me think of an egg timer and the animation looks cool

[gilded talon]

Here’s the video of blue light piggy back if anyone’s interested #beta-screenshots-videos message
I wanna try blue light rocket next time

[tender oasis]

Oh it works i have a vid about that

[vapid drum]

#beta-screenshots-videos message i always do eden alone , so this was kinda weird for me . While flying i was trying to get back into the group . I was able to lock on one of the group and then the hand hold icon appeared........on everyone ??? I could not get hand hold though , but was wondering if this is normal while flying in orbit , to see hand hold on the whole group ?

[carmine thorn]

Oh, yes the swing theory. I will chop up my video testing and post in ss and vid channel later.

[gilded talon]

I think it’s most probably a bug rob

[carmine thorn]

Didn't get anything else recorded. Phone decided to go

Rob, after you pass the spirits, you can hold hands without warp in the skykid section of ascent. Don't know if it is a bug though. Oh, bright news! When I was dead, it looked like the death loop, but I got sent to the dark room instead with the others still being alive. Sadly phone didn't capture the video though.

I was literally typing "deathloop" then fell to hug the child.

[tender oasis]

Oh lucky u i was haunting others for 20 mins i think that's worse than loop

[gilded talon]

it seems to be the skids from rob’s friend constellation in their video. That’s why I think it’s a bug
Edit: Wait or is that people whom you go in Eden with rob? I’m confused

[carmine thorn]

I didn't watch, just saw where they were at. Yeah, maybe that's why it is normally turned off.

[timid basalt]

would doing eden solo also trigger the kill switch in about 20 mins? ;_;;;

[random gull]

uzephi youve been in eden at least as much as i have

[carmine thorn]

It shouldn't. The timer should start after first death.

I've been to Eden too many times to count, lol. I had near 200 AC in live running new players through... Spent them all on resize potions until I got max height. Now I only have like 84 left. In beta, I have all wing buffs, spent at least 3 packs of resize potions and still have 12 or so AC in beta... Then there's this week... 8 to 10 times so far?

[gilded talon]

On this part, can you hold hands with strangers too? Or only your friends?

[carmine thorn]

Only with friends since hand hold isn't unlocked with strangers.

The blue tail cosmetic in storm is my favorite cosmetic.

[quick harbor]

Blue tail cosmetic? 👀

[carmine thorn]

#beta-screenshots-videos message

[quick harbor]

Poggers

[vapid drum]

They were the friends i was with in eden that showed the hand hold icons.. i wasnt able to get the warp icon while ascending , though i had it unlocked with one friend

[tender oasis]

You cant warp in the part where you fly with the children and spirits normally. Only handhold.

[vapid drum]

Then that’s cleared , but how is it possible I got a handhold icon on all the friends I was with while I was locked onto 1 person only

[finite meteor]

theres always those awkward moments where you’re flying into orbit with a friend, and they’re right behind you
...then you pass by the glowing ascending version of them, flying with your other friends-

[carmine thorn]

That's not the "Real Kai." We're flying to orbit.

[lilac oak]

When does the event reach live?

[lapis ore]

!lunarnewwhen

[gilded parrot]

Prepare to celebrate Lunar New Year in Sky with the upcoming Days of Fortune event, beginning on February 8th PST (UTC-8) at 12:00pm noon and ending March 1st PST (UTC-8) at 12:00pm noon. More Details in the Blog 🔎 http://bit.ly/FortuneLovePreview 🍊

[lilac oak]

Ty 👍

[pulsar snow]

can someone please show me the in game currency items for the new days of fortune and days of love coming up

[ionic bluff]

They have it up on the website link right now, unless the servers down for it

[pulsar snow]

link?@ionic bluff

[ionic bluff]

It’s in #news. It just got posted and it has the finalized prices of everything

[deft belfry]

wow the general sky chat still closed? why for?

[white latch]

you should read the latest message in general

[cobalt kestrel]

[latent palm]

i crashed sky beta in less than 20 seconds...

[stone topaz]

did they remove the skirt?

[drifting eagle]

yes, it wasnt meant to be avaliable for testing yet, itll come back when its ready

[orchid yacht]

The dragon occasionally drops the gifts into the water, where they can't be burned... should I report this as a bug?

[random gull]

you can bop them back to the land but them being unbrunable might be worth bringing to the devs attention

[lament mica]

What do you guys think of the new TS system (pass + candles)?

[slim kayak]

that's not the newest system iirc. we had a pass lock, but those items were free. so technically, we aren't testing the new system right now
but... i'm indifferent to the system. i'd be a bit sad to not be able to get everything, but i wouldn't mind it too much.

[lament mica]

This is the 3rd TS with the current system

[random gull]

i have almost everything inthe live version of the game so this system wont really affect me save for dismiss and a few repeat ts i was too lazy to buy off of the first time. idk if my opinion holds much water comoared to those it actually affects

[lament mica]

I think if there's a pass lock, it should cost less

[slim kayak]

tgc has stated that their goal with the pass lock is to make the whole spirit cheaper. right now, the prices reflect live's since we aren't actively testing it. we tested 3 spirits where those items were free, but then we stopped testing them. perhaps tgc is working on improving that system right now

[random gull]

thats the goal but like aeras said were not currently testing that system. we had 3 ts we tested it on and they were all freeon the pass locked items.

[lament mica]

We had 3 TS with free items and 3 TS with live prices and pass lock. But I see, if we're not testing it it makes sense then. Thank you

[left dragon]

I wanted to clarify. Is testing in this case implies only the resulting feedback on the changes we send?...as we dont quite "test" game process-wise... I dont know how to phrase this

[lament mica]

I think you're right. In this case it just means our feedback or suggestions on how to make this a better process

[carmine thorn]

They do get data that we don't send in lieu of player activity on the beta server. An example in your question's case would be how less inclined people would be to candle running with the new TS system by seeing how many players slow their candle running endeavors while the TS testing was done. Also, seeing what items were bought off the TS.

Since... You know, wax being collected is registered on the server side. I don't know exactly when that started or if it was always registered, but when I started playing Sky, collecting wax was immediate. Now, you have to wait for the server to give a 200(OK) message back before it shows on your candle meter. (I assume it's a 200 with my networking knowledge)

[slim kayak]

the server has always registered wax being collected iirc. the reason for the delay now is to give the server time to fully register it happening, since some players lost wax due to the server not registering it properly for whatever reason

[carmine thorn]

We still lose wax now and then though... At least in beta. looks at my 7/8 full seasonal candle meter

[vapid briar]

the servers always registered it, but we made the networking more obvious so people know they collected their wax before moving on to another level.

which still happens despite those efforts. visually it's significantly more dramatic because the light orbs are much, much larger in the daily light system.

the animation was delayed a bit so it's synced with when it registers with the network. instead of being independent from the server registering you collected that piece of wax.

[jagged marsh]

So the candle wax delay is because of server overload ?

[vapid briar]

a combination of server load and your internet connection.

[carmine thorn]

Inherent latency. Aeras saw me play with that. All servers have it. Edit: we were doing a CR in vault and I played with the latency of registering lighting the lanterns for the elevator. On Aeras's end, it looked like I never lit the lanrerns

[jagged marsh]

I use wifi

[vapid briar]

and can be further lagged out depending on where you live in relation to our servers. so some european and asian regions have major lag compared to someone who lives close to our servers.

[quasi venture]

They won’t let me boost the server 😦

[left dragon]

Is the interaction with a kid as the blue light in storm is an intentional feature? Or will it be removed after the testing bc its a bug

[carmine thorn]

It's a bug present due to flames still igniting the player while a blue orb/light/spirit. You can only interact when the blue light has a "full flame." If the living player we're "haunting" wasn't near a light source, we wouldn't be able to interact.

[random gull]

Mochi was able to warp to me while Emma (who mochi had attached to after death) was out of light and in the storm. so at least one friend interaction is still possible while both dead and out of light

[carmine thorn]

Odd, I couldn't open friendship tree until my light was full. Maybe warp can since you don't need to open the menu for warp?

[left dragon]

Wait, was Mochi a blue light as she warped?
Thats new:pEyes:

[random gull]

yup! I have video from both my end and Mochi’s end of it happening I can submit if needed. We didn’t really hit any bugs in eden otherwise

[carmine thorn]

Kai, when Mochi went to the dark room, did the camera pan like the deathloop?

[random gull]

uh I’ll have to flip through mochi’s recording of it. first watch of it seemed normal but I’ll double check

[carmine thorn]

Mine acted like the deathloop and now hate that my phone corrupted 70% of my recording.

[random gull]

I sent you the part of the video where mochi went to the dark room if you wanna watch through yourself. Mochi’s recording is really crisp I love it

[carmine thorn]

Yeah, yours looks normal. Fades to black. Mine did the whole camera pan and such like deathloop, then poof, to dark room

[left dragon]

It wasnt a deathloop, thats good? Means new build has this fixed
I always get al least 1 deathloop, and today** was none. Im happy about this build

[sterile hinge]

I've been trying to update the beta for a long time. I updated my phone, I restarted everything several times, and I still can't update it. Sorry, is something known about this problem?

[random gull]

I still wonder bout that stranger that got stuck with us the day before I haven’t found them yet so if they are on any of the servers I’m on they’re not active enough to have seen my posts

[carmine thorn]

I heard uninstalling test flight and reinstalling gave some users success. The beta opt in is saved to your apple ID, so you don't have to worry about your opt in status.

[lapis ore]

It might be a storage thing too, I kept trying and tried doing the reinstall thing just for it it to finally load and tell me I needed more space (idk if reinstalling helped or not, still took a while after reinstalling)

[carmine thorn]

How do I always forget that? Yes, your device needs 3 times the storage requirement to update an app. (Edit: for sky, that is roughly 2Gb) This is to download the new app data check for any issues with the download, then delete the old version of the app.

[lapis ore]

Ah no wonder then, I was like “eh I have less than a gb left but I should have room”

[rough patio]

Is there anyway that i can get the beta cape for free😂 😂 😂 😂

[left dragon]

What do you mean by beta cape?
Every cosmetic in beta is acquirable the same way as in live. You gotta grind for that

[rough patio]

How😐

[carmine thorn]

#beta-looking-for-group an Uber can get you the blue TGC cape from office. As #beta-faq says, beta cape (blue with white underside) is not available.

[left dragon]

Ohh my bad. I forgot that that existed

[random gull]

founders cape on the live game is not the same as the beta cape. the beta cape was a one time reward for the early beta testers. that was a complete surprise to them, none fo them were aware they’d get it. and there’s no plans for future rewards for beta testing either. at this point we test because we just want to break the game help the devs out

[carmine thorn]

Or was it the other way around? Forgot which had white and which had black.

[left dragon]

I might understand where that question comes from. No, beta testers dont get beta cape in live because we do testing in beta. That was one time reward for players that tested beta before global release

[rough patio]

Oh ok😐

[ionic bluff]

Founders cape is free on beta, but that’s not the beta cape. Beta cape was a 1-time reward given to testers before global release @rough patio but dont join beta just for this reason it’s for testing

[hexed crown]

i saw some people have a different kind of winter piano and a unique table. i searched in shop and office and found nothing.. is it obtainable through spirits? please help me know which spirit.. i really want the new table

[carmine thorn]

Break the game and report it that's what beta is for. The former is fun. The latter is a bunch of paperwork

[reef vault]

Which table?

[hexed crown]

it looks like a small table, it has vase and pillow seats. like tea table

[ionic bluff]

That’s the Christmas event table! It is no longer obtainable

[left dragon]

Those items seem not available yet. You can report suspicious activity, if you want

[reef vault]

Don't talk about it its not yet released

[sterile hinge]

I uninstalled both apps and still don't download the beta

[hexed crown]

😱

[ionic bluff]

Guys, are u forgetting the Christmas event happened? That’s basically what the tables described as in a way
“vase” probably as in the candles and the pillowy seats

What color was it, meika?

[reef vault]

Christmas table doesn't have vase

[carmine thorn]

How much free space do you have on your device? At least 3GB storage?

[hexed crown]

there was beta updates so i think it brings new cosmetics because i see people have them. it was grey(?)

[sterile hinge]

as far as I know those items are for the Chinese version

[ionic bluff]

hmm, well if it was grey... are u on the global version of sky?

[hexed crown]

ahh is that so? i got pings here and the updates are sync with it.

[sterile hinge]

23gb free

[ionic bluff]

Hmm, u may actually be on the Chinese sky servers instead of global

Or it could be hacked content

[steady pond]

no, chinese beta isn't a thing. they're still in beta, it's just that they hacked it so that they can access the content since its very likely that our beta version has assets for the chinese exclusive cosmetics, similar to how we got to see kizuna icons that one time months ago

in any case if you see anything we cannot obtain, just report and move on

[carmine thorn]

Oof, I don't know what else to try. I'm Android and don't play with iOS enough to troubleshoot properly after those suggestions.

[hexed crown]

thanks for the info..!

[ionic bluff]

I’m not saying Chinese beta is a thing, maybe they were on the Chinese server and accidentally came to the beta channels, but of course I could be wrong and this is actually hacked content

[sterile hinge]

Thanks for help

[livid pulsar]

Hey guys, do you know when Valentine's event starts in beta test?

[carmine thorn]

It already ended in beta.

We tested it from Jan 20th to Jan 25th or something like that. It was a short test since everything tested worked for us.

[livid pulsar]

I mean, a swing item like that

[carmine thorn]

Yes, the event already came and gone. We tested the seesaw and the swing in late January for 4-5 days.

[livid pulsar]

thank you

[gilded talon]

@carmine thorn just wanna check if we still hold the plan of meeting at reset for massive candle forging?

[empty inlet]

oh? new updoot

[carmine thorn]

If patch notes say that feature wasn't removed, yes

[random gull]

I”m still in I haven’t tapped the button in 2 days

[gilded talon]

“-Fixed crash caused by excessive purchase/forge visual effects
-Fixed missing animation when collecting gifts of light from friends in the friend constellation”
Guess we gonna find out soon

[carmine thorn]

We'll see if we crash then.

[gilded talon]

My TestFlight is reluctant to download the updoot for me

[slim kayak]

4 days of updoots? Nice

[fathom river]

i miss testing. been busy that I could only sleep for 4hrs. I miss you beta fam

[mental juniper]

I assume we can expect an update on Live version during the weekend

[carmine thorn]

RL before beta testing. I completely understand as had similar happen and disappeared for a few weeks due to RL. Take care of yourself and we will welcome you back with open arms when you're free.

[fathom river]

thanks guys. I'll keep supporting tgc and you all. you're all dear to me

[knotty dust]

Is there anything about the next season yet?

[spark lance]

Same, I even have to delete TestFlight and installed again

[gilded parrot]

bruh... talking about hacks and hackers is against the rules @ruby orbit

[fathom river]

hahaha skybot. I miss you.

[gilded parrot]

Robots have feelings too!

[hollow compass]

Sorry for a bit of a late ping, but any of an upcoming season would be announced in the patch notes, which are usually available in #beta-announcements . So you can always check there first. However, an access wipe would happen first and if you have the ping role, you'd probably notice that. 🙂

[knotty dust]

Thank you!!!!

[fathom river]

who's bullying skybot. genchat is currently out lol

[carmine thorn]

If you haven't yet, update hit the play store

Time to restart my phone. 🙄 Google needs to fix that issue with Pixels, lol. Happens with any app I am in the beta program for.

[spark lance]

I have pixel too.. what's the issue?

[carmine thorn]

App won't auto update without rebooting the phone, or waiting about 2 hours after the update hits the play store.

[spark lance]

Woah I didn't know this.. thanks🙏

[slim kayak]

Found out that if you kick the orbs that the dragon drops into a lit bonfire, they explode automatically

[carmine thorn]

That's the only way I'll blow them up now in live. if I had a bonfire...

[sullen relic]

two bonfires at either end of home, actual game of soccer where a goal scores you wax

[slim kayak]

Omg yes we gotta do that now

[placid wadi]

Can someone report the issuyin beta when i grab the winged light/stars didn’t full my energy 😅

[hollow bolt]

Oof, I tried to post a photo in screenshots 3 times just warning you all about an item I’ve seen around. It’s a tea table, but please report it when you see it because it’s not a released item. Thank you 😊

[placid wadi]

Someone playing violin in beta when i got closed to him it vanished

And i thought they added background music for next event home lol and the tea table lol how they even get that I didn’t see any on the shop 🤔

[limpid crown]

Violin too? I also heard someone in a temple somewhere, I wanna report it but sadly that player keeps playing the music, and I don't have a chance of lighting that player up so I can report it. I'm gonna be honest, the music is really good.

[random gull]

!reportfaq its best not to talk about acks and hackers here.we dont wanna call attention to them just report them in game and move on please

[gilded parrot]

Here's some info on how to report players in the game: https://bit.ly/ReportFAQ

[random gull]

uzephi is the master of ubering got a group of 7 through the portals every time without losing ayone

[carmine thorn]

I... Now if only the flight button would work when someone's body is on it... Everytime, it opens up their friendship tree instead of flight.

[quick harbor]

Can u send it on dms?
Is it okay?

[vivid shore]

hey guys, ifound a new hacked content video on youtube and i wish to report it to TGC. How will I be able to do it?

[carmine thorn]

For live: #live-feedback for beta: #beta-feedback would be the best option. They most likely are aware, but wouldn't hurt to inform them so they can circumvent the hack in a future update.

[vivid shore]

thank you!

[carmine thorn]

Hmm... We need someone without pray to see if the daily light reset actually uses your emote and what happens if you don't have pray... Edit: what if you don't get your daily light refreshed and you're stuck at 0 chevrons?!

[left dragon]

Is it possible, to not have pray...

[maiden sun]

yes

[carmine thorn]

It's a vault spirit and really isn't required except for floor 4 spirit. (Unless someone else prays)

[rustic imp]

Mine refreshes, and I'm pretty sure I've been too lazy to get pray on beta

[carmine thorn]

Can you see if you get the daily refresh animation and if you pray without the emote?

[rustic imp]

I wasn't paying attention last time, but I'm pretty sure I did pray. I'll have to check

[carmine thorn]

Cause if you do, I have a feedback suggestion on an alternate emote if your skykid doesn't have pray. Just to not break immersion.

[blazing sail]

Anyone else have an issue where if you type an emoji while meditating, you can’t get back to the regular keyboard?

[minor falcon]

a random emote for daily light reset each reset would be fun, imagine doing lvl 6 cry in the morning

[hollow compass]

Mood.

[steady pond]

i dont see why your kid cant pray despite not having the emote unlocked, considering its an animation you're set to do, and not a condition you require to get daily light working :o

i mean, if that were the case, moths shouldnt be able to do emotes of the person whose hand theyre holding if they dont have the emotes the person is doing

[late mountain]

I'd suspect that might be more the device than game itself since the keyboard should be run by the device (or a keyboard app if you use one). Can't be sure though. Does it happen in any other situations?

[hollow compass]

I'm wondering something: is it possible to table the office krill out so that it becomes active above ground? I see people still reporting it being active in Live.
I am not good at table-ing spirits etc, so could someone maybe test this?

[left dragon]

It does not happen because it was tabled out, i can assure you

[hollow compass]

Then why is it happening? It feels like someone is doing it on purpose. Either way, maybe it should be suggested that TGC remove the asset from under the office so it doesn't surprise more players.

[tough oracle]

as far as I know it's a bug you can activate by 'lighting' invisible plants at the toilet or smth.

[gray tangle]

👁

[tender oasis]

But the 3 krills stored in the clouds never been connected to the toilet as far as i know were they? So why would invisible toilet plant burning activate them?

[minor falcon]

the toilet plants are for the one krill under the building, I've seen that one activate in both beta and live

[hollow compass]

Yes, the one underneath the office comes up through the toilet when you burn the plants during Halloween. Obviously, this trigger is still active somehow, but shouldn't be.

[errant folio]

Can anyone explain to me how 5 hearts and 14 candles works
I didn't play Beta so

[tender oasis]

Works like the regular heart gifting, but the icon is way higher up on the friendship tree. You pay 14 of your candles to gift 5 hearts to your friend.

[errant folio]

Oooh i see! Tysm

[spark lance]

please note this is available to friends u have piggyback opened.. if not it is not available for u

[slate heath]

can someone explain it to me - why do ppl on chinese servers get exclusive items?

[timid bough]

because its under another company and some items don't even fit us

[slate heath]

Ikr, so that is the reason? cus a lot of ppl don't know ab what you said here yk?

[timid bough]

well they also experience seasons at a later date so it isn't all rainbows plus they don't have any ultimate gifts from rhythm and before it so we actually have exclusive items too

and sometimes sky isn't just about the cosmetics you know the experience of meeting people around the world isn't available there

[sick pendant]

Do i buy the piano or the duck mask?

[timid bough]

its all up to personal preference but i'd go with piano since it has a function

[viscid umbra]

So about the hat everyone's been arguing about its not TGC's fault, they dont control over the China servers, NetEase does so dont be angry TGC dosent bring special items to us

I know i just said because i saw some people arguing about it

[timid bough]

its not really advisable to delve deeper into the topic just let time heal wounds

[sick pendant]

As a person who knows how it feels like when ppl claim over your culture (I'm armenian). I'm afraid that won't be the case. Time won't do anything.

At this point tgc should either delete or redesign it.

But let's not discuss this any further. U can dm me about this but please don't write it in this chat.

[timid bough]

the daily light icon reset feels so satisfying

[steady pond]

its been changed to double five from what i read in the news page!

[dusky bluff]

hello

[timid bough]

hi

[sudden flower]

the chinese version of sky is managed by a different company and they can change or add cosmetics however they want for the chinese servers

[thorn void]

but isn't there any discrimination here?

[sick pendant]

You can see it as a whole different game. For example is it discrimination that we don't have among us skins in sky? No rights?

I know it's a bit confusing but that's what it is

[random gull]

theres no discrimination. anyone can join the beta regardless of where theynlive so long as they follow the instructions in #beta-faq . if youre referring to the season of dreams cosmetics controversy its best not to bring that up here as were trying our best to keep this a wholesome and uplifting environment thats safe for everyone to enjoy

[sick pendant]

You got the context wrong pal they're talking about Chinese servers getting unique items

Oh, i see

[random gull]

i did that on purpose

[native basin]

Why can't they do season of creations? Let people create their own cosmetics.

[random gull]

ah im not sure thats possible with the game mechanics available but you can drop your idea in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived if you want the devs to see it!

[spark lance]

Has the wool hat gotten a price change?

[random gull]

the price in the news is the same as wheni "bought" it on beta so no

[spark lance]

Your feelings are valid.. make sure to drop a feed back on #live-feedback channel and hope it's heard

can someone explain to me in dms what the season of dreams cosmetic controversy is

[hollow compass]

Tha's not beta-related. Please refer to the last message in #general-sky-discussion

[radiant drum]

This channel is for beta discussion, please drop the chatter about another server

If you have feedback you'd like to send to TGC, you can do so in #live-feedback

[spark lance]

apologies, i did not realize this was not beta related

[shut mason]

Anyone else having trouble with updating beta?

[quick harbor]

How much time does it take for the switch kill to start in eden?

[hollow compass]

Around 20 minutes.

[left dragon]

It took 12ish? Im really confused why it happened so early. Does it count since you enter the map or the first death?

[slim kayak]

it should start after the first death. however, the time it takes for the kill switch to kick in depends on how many players are in each instance

[random gull]

every time I've gone in it was about 20 minutes from entering pnr people definitely didn't die instantly every time

[hollow compass]

It did feel like at least 15 minutes when I went with a full server instance.

[sick pendant]

If anyone's down for testing rn I'm in(with my miserable 20 WLs)

[random gull]

i would but I'm in a place with low signal willing to go again when i get back home

[left dragon]

Ignis ill join u

[tender oasis]

With 3 player in storm lock, kill switch times for us were the following:

• from entering stormlock : ~30 mins
• from first death: ~25 mins
  Anyone remembers what was it with bigger groups? Also haunting lasted for 20 mins before the dead player finally fell into the dark room. Edens won’t be too fast with this, if someone goes afk in stormlock and we have to haunt them almost until kill switch.

[carmine thorn]

I forgot how many we had yesterday, but I think it was 5, 2 dead 3 alive and we had someone with 1 star, so first death was immediate. I think our timer for kill switch was like 15-17minutes from first death.

[tender oasis]

I had 60 something, the regular rebirth number so took a while without much statues to save, but it will be interesting to see how much time we actually need if we have all the statues tomorrow.

[random gull]

mochi had 10 stars by the time we entered pnr because of the stars on the way still pretty quick death

[carmine thorn]

Reset will be a really good test. Have Mochi just fall over once we enter and try to grab all the statues before the timer goes. In theory, we should be fine.

[random gull]

wanna go at reset again tonight?

lol me dragging mochi into wasteland to krill the like 20 stars they have from wing buffs idk why they put up with my nonsense when they rarely even look on discord to see what im plotting

lol ales reset is 3am for me idk how long i can keep this up before i get scolded by people who arent my friends

[tough oracle]

when timezones is a thing and reset is in the morning :p (I was so confused for a second why reset had changed to an earlier time hehe)

[carmine thorn]

Yeah, can't wait for DST. An hour earlier reset time would be nice. 1AM and Midnight is a bigger difference for me.

[random gull]

being on the same dst schedule as tgc is useful its 3am no matter what for me. 3am where its too late to reasonably stay up late and too early to reasonably get up early.

[carmine thorn]

We don't follow DST here, so we're either an hour ahead or same time as TGC depending on DST.

[tender oasis]

Im fine with my 9 am reset couldn’t wish better

[carmine thorn]

You get the daily light reset at a good time. To me the current animation sounds feels like a morning alarm, like our skykid is waking up for the day.

[tender oasis]

Anyone else switching servers a lot without doing anything?

[carmine thorn]

I haven't noticed yet. I'll keep an eye out for any candles lighting up or darkness burning during my pseudo CR/WL run today.

[mental ridge]

In case it’s a useful info to anybody, we went to Eden earlier today (5 players, one of them was friends with me only, the rest all had each other added, dk if it’s of any importance). The kill switch happened 29 minutes after crossing the point of no return. 14 minutes after the first death, 2 minutes after the second death and basically immediately after the 3rd one. The person who died first (that’d be me, hello ) didn’t enter the dark room until all players died.

Also, a perhaps weird thing, I could not see my friends’ capes right before crossing the gate and being reborn. One of my friends didn’t either, but the rest of them saw everybody’s capes as usual

[carmine thorn]

I sat at both the two player plant at end of forest and the large plant in GY for about 10mins each. Either these never get burned in beta or server switching didn't happen often for me, Pakka.

[dry flax]

The former... I guess

[tender oasis]

I would say former too. but thanks anyways. I was sitting at home on the top of the swing and lost The ppl there twice then B kept switching too but way more frequently than i did. That’s why i asked. Hope it was just something temporary.

[carmine thorn]

Yeah, other areas except two player plant and the GY one, I merged pretty quickly to a server that had all candles lit/plants burned.

[random gull]

the square icons went live I'm like 90% certain I did actually bug report that this time

[tender oasis]

“Improvements to avoid getting stuck in the final area of Eye of Eden”
Kill switch is in live now?

[carmine thorn]

Shiny hair went to live also.

[slim kayak]

so did 2 of the tier 2 capes, which is nice

[tender oasis]

I actually like that one.
Btw the dragon just appeared and dissapeared 3 times in 8 mins for me

[random gull]

any of yall wanna go to eden on live and play with the kill switch now also seems the forging candles being visible is intentional

[spark lance]

I'll go

[spark lance]

Take meee

[random gull]

dm me your live qr! no idea when ill go but ill let you know if anyone else wants to come also no snow in dreams yet but the stadium updates are live. fancy chat benches

[timid basalt]

can i also come? haha

[spark lance]

@random gull I can't dm you?

[random gull]

my dms are open but discord is funky where if your dms are closed you also can't dm people you aren't friends with

[lapis ore]

Wait the updates went live now??

[random gull]

yup! O'm in the stadium in valley on live right now and the fancy chat benches and tents and stuff are there. as are fireworks suspiciously

[lapis ore]

Ooo can’t wait to see my friends freak out about the kill switch if that got added too Also fancy stadium

[random gull]

gonna lurk in the bug report channels to see who discovers the kill switch first hehehehe

[tender oasis]

I think that’s going to be super confusing, if there is no warning which got added since beta.

[lapis ore]

Yeah thought they would post an update
Also some candles got removed in vault

[mellow atlas]

What’s the kill switch? (I do play beta, I’m just rly confused lol)

[random gull]

oh if you don't die fast enough in eden (i.e. you afk or something) then the game just kills you automatically now

[lapis ore]

Hmm no replacement cakes but the levitate change is there, maybe they'll add the cakes later to avoid confusion

[gilded talon]

Btw shiny hair is bug right? They will fix in the future?

[tender oasis]

Its a bug and a known issue. They wrote it in the patch notes right at the bottom of it .

[gilded talon]

Thx Pakka. sorry I didn’t think of checking the patch notes

Did you sit through Vault temple tho? When you say behind the door you mean you chibi glitched through?

[latent palm]

kinda funny how tgc released the build with the button glitch to live

[lapis ore]

Button glitch?

[latent palm]

the glitchy buttons thing

[tender oasis]

Android buttons are funky (check some of the reported android bugs, there are plenty of footage of them )

[latent palm]

they fixed text scaling for Android 11 users tho

[spark lance]

Can someone explain the new heart system for boats and shrines

[low kindle]

how many likes are necessary to get a heart?

[latent palm]

iirc this didnt happen for one build in between the two

[desert tide]

You need to collect 20 winged light to be able to go to eden, not emotes the shiny boys are winged light

No is completely fine, no need to be embarrassed,
I just had a bad flashback when i first played sky and thought that to get the crab call I needed to get yeeted by crabs and not the spirit, that's more embarrassing 👀

[proven kindle]

How much candle does the visitor give daily?

[autumn bane]

wondering why in Live they removed the small candls in vault without adding the 4 cakes

[random gull]

the candles should actually be grouped together now I haven't gone into vault myself but if you check #questions-and-help and #cozy-sky-discussion others are talking about it

[sweet mist]

Increase number of likes for a heart is really a bad decision

[pearl roost]

Excuse me, which section should the official version of the question feedback go to?

[desert tide]

The only reason i can think they didnt add the cakes is due to the different candle merging system

[autumn bane]

but they said its not ready tho
they even want to add more ways to get wax and no sign of this even in beta yet

[drifting eagle]

#live-feedback #beta-feedback

[pearl roost]

#live-feedback #beta-feedback
@drifting eagle thank you

[hasty flare]

Excuse me, can you tell me how to apply Bate，I'm new here

[dapper nova]

Read #beta-faq please

[zealous aurora]

Can someone share the locations of the new candle cakes in vault?

[hasty flare]

OK, thank you very much

[spice spoke]

try searching cakes in #beta-screenshots-videos

[orchid yacht]

The broken buttons made it to live ><

[strong pine]

Are the ascended capes available yet? I saw a screenshot of someone who had some in the regular screenshot channel

[random gull]

yes the green and navy blue capes came out in today's update!

[strong pine]

Okay, nice! I was wondering where peeps were getting them, lol.

[autumn bane]

only purple pink white and blacc are not in live yet

[clear rock]

so, the new cakes arent live yet?

[autumn bane]

nope and they should not look like cakes

[clear rock]

ooh okie, thank you

[sullen relic]

i haven't seen the new candle placements yet, but if i had to make a guess: either they're trying to ease people into the idea of changed candle routes by gradually changing them over, or else that might be a build error if both the old live and current beta candles were turned off

[autumn bane]

the new locations are not really changing any CR path
praying emote corridor
2nd floor under the big table
4th floor high wing
last floor behind the altar

[ruby crescent]

that they did

[random gull]

candles are gone from the trials entirely on live I totally didn't just go from eden straight to the trials for science

[sullen relic]

oh boy, this is not a good time to be missing candles with the events coming up -- has the forest brook/second hidden forest area been affected?

[random gull]

uh lemme go see / hide n seek spirit model is small now. eden kill switch is active on live now. candles gone from trials but cakes not added

[orchid yacht]

candles being absent from trials is a good change imo
I don't feel obligated to get them

[autumn bane]

they wont remain absent lol. they added tons of cakes at the end

[orchid yacht]

yeah I know 😔
with the bug vault is even more worthless

[lyric kite]

It seems like some random things may have slipped into the live version when they weren't supposed to yet, but not everything. Weird

[random gull]

I forgot what I was looking for I uh haven't been on much candle runs without an uber. Spear help

[rustic imp]

@spark lance hey, it would be better to dm that info to @hardy carbon! Ktjn might not see it here, and sensitive info should be sent to TGC through the bot.

[strong pine]

So i'm guessing all those extra candle cakes are available now too, huh?

[random gull]

not in the trials or vault at least

[strong pine]

[sullen relic]

ah right, i'll go take a look myself when i'm done eating (...not sure how many hours it's been now )

my bad, did not mean to send that with a ping

[random gull]

yeesh spear take care of yourself also if you have a sec to help me figure out how many likes equals a heart so we can update info on that I'd appreciate it ❤️

[mental ridge]

They “reduced the difficulty of some trials” and I had no idea they were even working on this sometimes I’d really like them to mention this kind of things so that I know which areas I should focus on while testing (I suppose they consider trials low priority now?). Guess it’s time to revisit trials again for live feedback

[lapis ore]

Oh yeah trials got nerfed again Maybe they want to see if anyone notices?

[strong pine]

Are the trials worth going thru rn?

[gilded talon]

I did water and air trial with @main pendant on around January 26 on beta, there didn’t seem to be any noticeable differences at the moment. I also have been to trial of air this week and last week. I don’t notice anything different either. Or is it just me being numb?

[stoic stratus]

Sooo I've been thinking of the whole traveling spirit thing and I reacted poorly tbh.
Saying I was gonna stop playing and generally just being mad, so if the change happens I guess I'll understand, I will still love sky nonetheless

[gilded talon]

I think it’s really rushed to push the Eden kill switch into Live right now. I have a Live friend who just came out of Eden without knowing there’s a kill switch. She usually gets 14 ACs out of Eden run, now she had to go twice in a row to get the same amount, first time she got only 9 ACs. Cuz someone went in pnr way before her, and all podiums were already lit when she went in. The kill switch kicked in when she still had 78 WL left. She did not deliberately linger in stormlock, just doing a normal Eden run, yet still got kill switched.
more info: she’s been playing Sky for 3 months, got 128 WL when she went in pnr today.

[stray elk]

Wait did the cakes go to live?

[vapid briar]

no

they're tied to the daily light system.

[stray elk]

I'm not in live?

[bold pine]

do we know the probable prices for the lunar new year and rose cosmetics?

[gilded talon]

It’s in #news

[vapid briar]

there's a preview blog shared in #news with that information as well as the 0.12.3 live patch notes.

[random gull]

Ktjn the known issues mentions vault but were yall aware the candles are missing from the trials too? I can go bug report rq but I forgot to take screenshots

[slim kayak]

Oh dear. I didn't even think of that happening
Imagine a moth experiencing that as a first eden, due to them lagging behind in their instance. Yikes. Hopefully the devs can find a more viable solution to death loop that doesn't require the kill switch

[random gull]

definitely put your thoughts in #beta-feedback or I guess #live-feedback at this point so they know. I'm working on getting an infographic together for it so hopefully it helps players in the mean time

[gilded talon]

I’m trying to gather more info rn among my friends, to see if they have similar experiences and how they feel about it, so that I can put together a lil report but yes I’m gonna leave feedback. Maybe after reset when more of my friends would go to Eden.

[gilded talon]

@random gull Kai do you still plan to go to Eden on beta at reset? If yes, I suggest that we all go save the statues like we usually do Eden run, instead of waiting at a safe spot for the kill switch to kick in. To test out situations that Live players might be in during their Eden run.

[random gull]

yeah I think Uzephi and I were going to. I have a volunteer stranger actually to try and replicate the stranger who deathlooped with us so I'd like at least one person to stay alive long enough to see if our stranger deathloops

[gilded talon]

voi and Ales said that they might do Eden at reset too. It’d be nice if we can go together

[peak token]

heyyy uhh the forging thingy, i think it effected in live version too

[gilded talon]

You mean the forging rate? Or the forging visual?

[stray elk]

I'm never doing eden at 3am ever again. I couldn't pay attention to class

[vapid briar]

the forging animation is intentional, if that's what you mean.

[random gull]

are the devs aware that the candles are missing from trials too not just vault?

[vapid briar]

yes

any candle node that was deleted in lieu of a treasure candle will be missing in Live right now.

we're still assessing the damage and what needs to be done to fix it, but it's the weekend and only emergency staff are available right now.

[stray elk]

The crab tunnel will finally have a use! Other than knocking over crab quest

[vapid briar]

There can only be a certain number of "things" in a given level before is takes too much memory and causes it to crash. because vault is such a large level, there are a lot of "things" in it. In this case vault, despite not much wax/light to be collected there was already at max memory, so the dev working on the daily light portion deleted the little candles and replaced them with the bigger, more efficient treasure candle nodes. unfortunately it made it to live.

[left quartz]

Question... Has anyone found the spirits in the stadium oob? I've been searching in beta forever and a day. 🤔

[vapid briar]

there aren't any spirits in the oob version of coliseum.

[left quartz]

@vapid briar weird, I'm getting a constellation button and a stargazer showing 'Star Memorial Constellation' It shows three possible spirits.

[sullen relic]

that was mentioned a few days ago: it's most likely an old feature that was accidentally re-enabled, and it seemingly has no real spirits associated with it even though it resembles the constellations we can see from home

[vapid briar]

oh. that.

That one gets to remain a mystery.

[left quartz]

Awe must have missed that in discussion. Thanks!

[tough oracle]

Are we still testing Eden in beta? (As in as that necessary now that the ‘kill switch’ made it to live?). Necessary to go multiple times a week

[random gull]

I was gonna go in to test a theory later I got a volunteer "stranger" who's gonna meet us in home space via a mutual friend who isn't coming to eden. see if they deathloop like we think the poor stranger who ended up with me and uzephi that one time appeared to have. at least their light kept disappearing and reappearing. none of us were able to friend them and they were gone by the time we hit orbit

[sullen relic]

the kill switch timer and other implemented measures may still be able to use testing and feedback, in which case, doing it beta seems like a great idea so you don't need to keep recollecting your wings in live from rapid death experiments

[carmine thorn]

Or have a live incident Kai and I had testing in beta...

[tough oracle]

Btw it might be easier to mimic ‘kill switch’ situation by having one part of the group for normal route, and other part go up by glitching or smth. Ugh I just hope there won’t be another fall out over all of this

[left dragon]

Didnt know that i will wake up to this chaos. Anything to test right now in particular? Or to check on live?

[fierce drift]

I met a player in live who was playing an invisible instrument that sounded like a violin, I wasn't sure if I should have reported since it was my friends friend, but they located a spirit supposedly. I'm assuming that's an old feature :o [the ping is off]

[slim kayak]

That, unfortunately, sounds like it should be reported.

[drifting eagle]

I’ve heard these are hackers?

[fierce drift]

Deng, if I see them again I will report

[left dragon]

Iirc we discussed that this is a hackers content. Please report and move on

[simple coyote]

They probably didn't realize it was a hacker, that's why they were asking.

[left dragon]

I was not saying this in reproachful tone sorry

[carmine thorn]

There's chaos? I'd suggest checking live for any beta bugs and report them in the live report channel for your device... Like the square buttons.

[lyric wadi]

Ehhh what is this kill switch?

[random gull]

if you stay in eden too long eden auto-kills you. it's to prevent players from getting stuck in hours long deathloop because of afk people

[lyric wadi]

Ohh okok thank you!

It reminds me of how the valley race used to warp us to the stadium when we were stuck too long in the race. I miss that feature of valley

[pale junco]

Am i reading right are the vault cakes added in live version
Yall have to stop using live while referring to beta it's very confusing

[lyric wadi]

NOOOOOO now that ktjn said it's a mysteywe wanna know it moreeee

[tardy dune]

Why did they change the number of likes needed on a message note to get a heart

[random gull]

probably because of external note hunting groups they specifically didn't tell us the number of likes needed just that it's not more than 10

[spark lance]

Are Dev's aware cargo pants make kids skin totally green for android users? Long time ago I raised bug, it hasn't been fixed, it hasn't been recognised as known issue either.

Green in not intentional since the skin was initially dark brown in colour.

[drifting eagle]

yes they are aware but it's not fixed yet

[spark lance]

Why hasn't been acknowledged as known issue?

[random gull]

well it's been an issue for a while. I'm pretty sure back during sanctuary beta testing it got listed as a known issue and never got marked resolved

[drifting eagle]

not all known bugs get logged in #known-issues , typically only bugs that affect the game heavily get logged. like missing candles, crashes, etc

[spark lance]

Thanks.. I used to think thats well.. when I saw shiny metallic hair recognised as known issue.. it got me thinking.. may be that's because fortune hair will go on sale.. and Dev's want to keep kids informed

[drifting eagle]

#questions-and-help message

is this related to the kill switch? (that’s in live now right? i wanted to ask here in case it isn’t in live yet)

[random gull]

nope unrelated if it's before PNR. I was actually reading that just now to see if I had an naswer for them and looks like the answer is just bug report it

[drifting eagle]

ooh thank you kai! i haven’t been able to test the kill switch yet so idk how it works

[random gull]

so basically a countdown timer starts once you enter PNR. approximately 20 minutes. if someone dies before that 20 minutes then they're stuck as a blue light until everyone in the server dies or 20 minutes, whichever comes first. if nobody dies before the 20 minutes it seems the kill switch just activates automatically after the first death past 20 minutes.

[wispy venture]

I just saw someone with a Japanese table, I need some answers (?????

[tender knoll]

Praying acolyte 2nd tier cape cost 9 AC to unlock right?

[drifting eagle]

could you DM me a picture? It may be DoF table and if it’s not it’s probably a hacked item

[wispy venture]

DoF has a table?

[random gull]

there's no tea table in the game. if you're seeing one it's either a fanmade edit or a hacker and either way it's best not to discuss it here since it's not official info

[rain hawk]

When are the trial and vault cakes coming to live

I just spent an hour with my skyfam going thru every trial and vault just cus someone said they made it to live lmao

[drifting eagle]

DoF table is red and has candles on top. It also has plates on top

[wispy venture]

I think it is kinda, I saw 2 different people, I just will report

[random gull]

like I said, hacker is a possibility but its best not to talk about them here and bring attention to them not worth giving them the attention they want

[pale junco]

A true orange cape
#beta-screenshots-videos message

[rain hawk]

If no one has answers, does anyone know if it's appropriate to ask in #questions-and-help , or is that too much of a spoiler

[drifting eagle]

we don’t know when they’re coming but we can assume it’ll come when the new forging system comes too

[rain hawk]

Ohh shoot okay ill simmer down my rabid skyfam who's budgeoning me with questions lol ty

[carmine thorn]

Any of the extra candles in beta will come with the daily light system. It is still far off from complete. The cakes are "placeholders" and for testing purposes only. Someone from the art and/or design team needs to place wax that is aesthetically pleasing for the area they are being added

[strong pine]

It makes a good Shrek cosplay, though

[pale junco]

Why do i have a strange sc count it's a bit lower than the full
Was sc affected by the cr system at any point?

[random gull]

it might have been that you missed one orb of light one day when you were running. if there was a bit of lag lighting and you flew away while the remaining candles hadn't finished lighting that would cause it. or just not getting quite close enough to collect all 3 orbs

[pale junco]

I'm not a perfectionist but it's bothering me lol i'll try to collect just one wax to fix it

[rain hawk]

Mm good points
Ive also heard a majority of my vets complaining that they'll "HAAAaaaaAVE to" include trials in their CRs now

Gameplay always ends up having to appease both moths and vets and it sounds like such a strenuous task

[pale junco]

Aslo isn't it too early to implement the UI changes to live

[random gull]

the point of th edaily light system is that eventually there will be more light pieces than possible candles to forge in a day. meaning if you keep collecting light you will not keep forging candles. theyr'e specifically trying to prevent people from picking up every single piece of light in the game here and encourage more running the realms you like the most so you can have fun with it!

[steady pond]

early in what way :o

[rain hawk]

Thank goodness

Thanks for the answers yall!

[carmine thorn]

They don't "have" to. The bonus of daily light system once it's complete is there will be more wax available than allowed. And trust me, you don't want to collect much after getting 0 chevrons unless you are a glutton for punishment.

[rain hawk]

While this sounds like an amazing balance for me as a prophecy kid, im sure this will create much outrage from the vets in the live community

[random gull]

I am hype for the day I can just run valley and a bit more and have enough candles for my endless upgrading of friends

[carmine thorn]

Yeah, I left feedback how this new system would net me more candles in the long run as I only have the mental fortitude to CR at most 3 realms. I'd have to get an Uber for the remaining realms.

[spark lance]

Nooo! That's not what's its intended to be

[stone topaz]

well actually they don't. Trials can be left behind and still completing 3 chevron levels. After that even if you finish all trials and get 12 treasure candles, it barely makes 1 candle.

AND those lights will be wasted next day.

[broken fractal]

About the kill switch, if when we got to pnr, then 10 minutes later we force close the game and then log on again. Will the kill timer continue where we left of (10 minutes remaining) or reset back to 20?

[pale junco]

Like i'm still seeing bugs

[carmine thorn]

The timer is in the instance you were in. If the return shrine sends you to the same instance, yes.

[pale junco]

Anyone wants to join me to eden 👁️

[carmine thorn]

I think Kai and a few others are waiting for reset to test it, test it. This week, we didn't have statues, so we just sat somewhere to trigger kill switch.

[broken fractal]

Oh, i see. Thx

[carmine thorn]

If I'm available, I'll go. RL stuff might lapse past reset.

[random gull]

ngl I"m not sure I'll make it to reset uzephi it's 1:41 am right now. we'll see how I am in an hour and 20 min

[carmine thorn]

We can do it during the day later. It's not like we have to go at reset.

[rain hawk]

So what's the max candles we can get now with the chevron system

[carmine thorn]

It's still being worked on. With all the cakes added, we just got parity with live (similar candle count)... And that's with dragging through 0 chevrons which is... Not for everyone.

[safe knoll]

People said it's about ~17.75 including trials. Though as Uzephi pointed out, the system is still being worked on, and numbers don't really matter that much.

[gilded parrot]

Don’t stop believing!

[hollow compass]

I noticed people asking about the raised requirement for likes, but I don't even remember this being mentioned to us in beta. Anyway, what cut scenes were now made skipable and which trial has been made easier? I must have completly missed this (too).

[random gull]

ales the light system isnt in live yet. theres just a mixup with the update and some candles went missing on live is all. well probably betesting this system fora while yet

[tough oracle]

Lol I’m still sleepy I thought you were commenting on the time for eden 😂, which is why I deleted that comment hahah

[safe knoll]

The cutscenes from the temple where flying race and sliding race start in Valley are now skippable.
I haven't found any more just yet.

[random gull]

oops im slow then sorry ales! the new number of likes seems to be 13. havent confirmed this on boat message yet though

[hollow compass]

Oh, um...I don't really do those races anymore. That explains why I hadn't noticed.

[safe knoll]

Is the "increased likes to get heart from message candles, shrines & boats" ever a thing on Beta?
Because I can't find any mentions about it on beta updates.

[hollow compass]

I didn't recognise it either, so it might just be a thing they added to this Live update to combat the likes groups. It happens sometimes, if it's not a major thing that needs or can be tested in beta.

[random gull]

if it was it wasnt announced. we have been getting more things like that that dont get announced during beta. like the past seasonal quests hearts costing 3 candles now

[carmine thorn]

I have yet to get a heart from my messages in beta.

[random gull]

I tend to get between 20-50 likes on my notes so I probably never would have noticed an increase myself if they didn’t say something funny enough when I put a note specifically to try and find the number I need, I don’t get enough likes

[hollow compass]

I've gotten a few hearts from meditation quests, but I never went back and checked how many likes therewere.

[lyric kite]

Ktjn did mention this like a week or so ago that they were going to be looking into discouraging message shrine farming, so I guess they implemented this but just didn't say so until today - #beta-discussion message

[rain hawk]

Sounded about right to what i was guessing, thanks!

[hollow compass]

Yes, and I think that's why we shouldn't really go looking for the exact amount of likes needed either.

[random gull]

ah thanks for finding that laurethon! I was trying to find that post for someone else I’d mentioned it to outside this server

[rain hawk]

I mean while I understand combating heart farming, I still think this new change will actually hurt normal players more than the farmers
(Hope i didnt accidentally ping pretty sure i pressed "turn off")

Either way yeah they should have brought the idea into beta testing first at leadt

[random gull]

it’s best to put your feedback on that in #live-feedback at this point. and if you edit a message it automatically pings whoever you replied to

[rain hawk]

It H U H

Welp it was nice knowing yall

[random gull]

it’s a weird discord feature with replies. I don’t know why it does that but there’s no way to disable it so it’s best not to edit a message when you pingless reply and instead start a new one

[carmine thorn]

I've done it and still here. Ktjn is understanding as long as you refrain from doing the oopsie later.

[sick pendant]

Ah yes.. . Everyone gets to face the consequences bcz a group of ppl is taking advantage of something.....

Besides, I really agree with DaJamBari#3402, shouldn't such things get at least tested with us for feedback?

[random gull]

please leave your constructive (please don’t be rude or dismissive to the devs, they’re huan beings and have to read a lot of hateful stuff) feedback in #live-feedback. they’ll see it there and might miss it here.

[sick pendant]

That's exactly the point. Why do we have a #beta-feedback if we're gonna skip the feature for beta testing..... Anyways i digress, let's drop the topic

[carmine thorn]

Can't really beta test something that needs a large scale like the messaging system. I mean most shrines I leave my messages are never full...

[slim kayak]

Also, there have been some things that have gone to live that we never tested, like the healing flower. Its up to the devs to decide what we have to test

[random gull]

beta feedback channel exists because there are beta features we do test this feature is live now though so it’s best to go to live feedback with it. tell them your opinions on the new light forging system and where you’d like to see more lights in beta feedback for now

[sick pendant]

Ok i get it now, thanks for the info

[slim kayak]

We should ask the devs to replace the rain in forest with wax

[random gull]

that would break the economy in sky so hard but man that would be hilarious to watch

[slim kayak]

You know... to test the hard cap

[carmine thorn]

Maybe the trials could use that extra wax they got and rain wax balls after meditation...

[silent lily]

Is it just me or anyone else who thinks that the cakes in trials ruin the scenery, especially in air and fire, also , just whyy :")

[slim kayak]

The cakes are temporary. The devs will go back in to adjust the candles to fit each realm better later

[carmine thorn]

They're for testing only. Better assets will be put in place later. It's just to test the daily light system.

[silent lily]

Oh, thank you, i didn't know that,

[random gull]

beta is constantly evolving! often we’ll be presented with placeholders to test a concept while they work details out. the wwater trial floating iceburgs were ikea mattress shaped at first and the fire trial had no walls at all. you can always submit idea you have for currently testing features in #beta-feedback though

[silent lily]

Tbh, i feel like it'll be nice if they got rid of all little candles everywhere, and put just 1-4 candle cakes in each area so that the amount of light is equal to the amount you got Before. And also, putting them in hidden places like behind a tree or in a cave so they don't look weird in thr scenery. If they'll did that, we'll still be running the whole realms, just the process of it will feel a bit pleasing, imo

[peak token]

kill switch exist right? how to trigger em?

[rustic imp]

@carmine thorn sorry for ping, but update: turns out I have pray already....

[left dragon]

Is it ok if i ask this here? Aside from vault and trials, which realms got affected by daily light system, where candle bundles were substituted with cakes?

[random gull]

just trials and vault afaik. forest had a cake added but it didn’t replace anything

[burnt epoch]

Hii! Where is this forest cake? 😯

[random gull]

in the brook. I’ve never actually looked for it myself

[minor falcon]

forest cake is in the provoking performer tunnel

[left dragon]

When i opened sky live today, the update didnt yet get me. So i still didnt close it hoping to run unbugged vault after this reset

[sullen relic]

only in beta though -- it's not there in live, i checked earlier

[wooden raptor]

I just saw this. I see the pray animation for daily light replenishment even though I don’t have the emote

[timid bough]

its just like the SoD quests where you will automatically do the emote

[random gull]

huh I didn’t even realize that was an automatic thing since I had all the emotes already I figured it showed me emotes I had and since I had a lot I was good

[gilded talon]

So... Eden time?

[random gull]

I am awake currently my volunteer stranger is too. waiting on response from the mutual friend to get them to our server to follow us into eden

[hollow compass]

I'm kind of busy in ACNH... But what would we be testing?

[random gull]

seeing if my “stranger” deathloops like that one poor skykid that got stuck with me and uzephi the other day did

[pale junco]

What is the new shepherd system in sky has ktjn said something about it

[hollow compass]

There's a new shepherd system?

[slim kayak]

Ima join if you dont mind. I'm curious if I can recreate what happened with Emma's friend

[vital sentinel]

Wait so the star field thing does have a certain purpose? But its a mystery for now?

[pale junco]

It has been there for a while when you click on the friend's constellation icon it will show you a heart inside a diamond icon when you click on it it will tell you to guide new player

[hollow compass]

Yes, I know. But you said "the new" shephed system.

[vital sentinel]

Hmmmmmmm i wonder... maybe we gonna get new spirits soon

[random gull]

come come aeras

[tender oasis]

I just finished backreading, and I think the message candle thing was tested in beta too. Some of my friends mentioned they didn't get hearts even tho their notes reached 10. It just wasn't obvious if its a bug or not, back then.

[pale junco]

👁️ it's new it wasn't there in beta before but it has been there for a while without any changes

[hollow compass]

It's been there for something close to a year now, so I wouldn't call that new. And no, we still don't know more than that it is "mysterious". 😉

[gilded talon]

@carmine thorn can you join us?

[steady pond]

actuallly. i just realized i dont have pray emote but i still do it anyway during reset. i forgot i didnt have pray emote LMAO @carmine thorn hope this answers ur question

[lunar jacinth]

The candle cakes that were added in the trials , are they now available in live ?

[pale junco]

a year?!?!?! :v
I joined beta in dreams so idk

[slim kayak]

Shepherd system is definitely over a year old now. Was already there during belonging

[spice hare]

Hello, idk where to ask as sky egn discussion is close and this knowledge i know is from beta. So the small red candles in vault are gone but the big candles which kinda replaced them aren’t there in live. Is that normal? Or should i report it as bug?

[lapis ore]

#known-issues , they might be working to put the cakes or something

[hollow compass]

Any questions regarding Live game goes in #questions-and-help or maybe #seasons-events-chat

[stiff cypress]

As someone that founded one of those groups I am extremely disappointed this is how TGC views us.

[hollow compass]

1. Please don't ping anyone on the server for a message from almost two weeks ago.
2. Might I refer you to this post from Elder Nagati on hearts: #questions-and-help message
3. You can always give constructive feedback to TGC in #live-feedback

[timid bough]

all that for a heart or two

[daring gate]

Wait are they gone in LIVE? Holy sweet macaroni! How-

[sullen relic]

the context behind how those candles went missing was mentioned here (particularly the second half of the message): #beta-discussion message

[daring gate]

I see- I also wanted to ask about the days of fortune event. Since we’re talking about hearts anyway, are we gonna be able to give more hearts during the fortune event or just days of love?

[hollow compass]

Everything is in the blog post. It's not being tested in beta anymore.

[stiff cypress]

Its not just for a heart or two. Its a community. We make new friends through these groups. We help each other with a difficult feature in the game. We also help each other with "hold hands with 4 people" quests, we help each other with heart trades, we help each other with candle runs, eden runs, we hang out playing music, explore oobs... Shrine groups are subcommunities, a social enhancement to a social game.

Seeing TGC's sentiment to the efforts people put into these small communities within the game is just really disappointing.

[hollow compass]

I don't know if you read my reply to you above, but all of this could go into #live-feedback . They are very good points and you can make your voice heard. But it's not really beta-related (anymore).

[timid bough]

thats not really the groups ktjn was talking about is it

[daring gate]

Actually that was included in the groups ktjn is talking about. There are much worse iterations of the heart trading organisations, but unfortunately, all are discouraged.

[stiff cypress]

Sorry. I actually did write in live feedback but was shown ktjn's post and was upset and wanted to directly reply to it.

[hollow compass]

No, you don't need to apologise to me. I understand where you're coming from, but this just isn't the place on the server.

[lunar jacinth]

The new candle forging system in beta, does anyone know when it's coming in live?

[spark lance]

The dress from the hide and seek spirit I think

[timid bough]

ktjn was talking about strictly heart farming via messages groups doe but the current stopgap measure to combat it is a bit flawed

[tacit stone]

Off topic , but I miss everyone in Gen Chat

[random gull]

ok so recreated having a complete stranger to our group (had a friend of a friend join us and then our mutual didn’t come to eden). “stranger” didn’t deathloop! but we found out the kill switch is times based on when you enter not the group you merge with. aeras joined us a good 5+ minutes after we entered pnr and she was also kill switched a good 5 minutes after I was. good news is that everyone in our group who died before I got kill switched went to the dark room so if aeras was a stranger they could have left her. I couldn’t have since I got kill switched and stuck to aeras rather than going to dark room but didn’t have to wait long for her kill switch.

also the daily light refresh animation is HILARIOUS when you are being dragged in ascent

[sullen relic]

was everyone else already dead when aeras joined the room, or did anyone die after she joined?

[minor falcon]

hide & seek shows the new model in orbit ascension now

[random gull]

nobody had died before aeras merged with us. Ales died first not long after aeras merged, samba (our “”stranger”) died second. then emma and voi and cadramom. I waited out the kill switch while playing with friendship emotes with dead peeps and aeras waited out the kill switch too.

[slim kayak]

I think someone was dead when I joined. But I definitely didn't hit the kill switch at the same time as kai did. It was 25 minutes after entering pnr exactly

Welp, nevermind lol

[sullen relic]

ah yup, thanks -- so at least from that test, there's no confirmation about whether entering a room where everyone's already dead would turn the kill switch on for you (i.e. whether the kill switch would kick in if you don't actually witness anyone dying after you enter); just making sure i didn't draw any incorrect conclusions from the 5 minute gap thing

[random gull]

well now I wanna try that it’s almost 5 am tho I think aeras will yell at me if I turn back around and go into eden again

[slim kayak]

Kai hit the switch 25 min after entering, and so did I, which explains the gap, since I entered about 6 min after everyone else

[gaunt cloud]

Is it true that some cosmetic which were free in upcoming event now we have to pay for them and they are free in Chinese server

[random gull]

spear and dragon will also yell at me I guess theres a line

[sullen relic]

as far as i'm aware of, there's no cosmetic in the upcoming event which ever changed from free to paid -- for the second half of your question, you might be better off researching it around outside of the server since NetEase (the company running what's commonly referred to as the Chinese server) is an entirely different company to TGC, and that's leaning into a sensitive topic at this time

[random gull]

Navin everything for the days of fortune and days of love seems to have the same costs they did when we were beta testing them so anything that was a candle/heart cost is still that way and everything that was IAP is still that way. the netease (chinese) server is run by an entirely different company though so TGC can’t control what decisions they make with the game.

[gaunt cloud]

Navin everything for the days of fortune and days of love seems to have the same costs they did when we were beta testing them so anything that was a candle/heart cost is still that way and everything that was IAP is still that way. the netease (chinese) server is run by an entirely different company though so TGC can’t control what decisions they make with the game.
@random gull thank you

[spark lance]

[pale junco]

Everyone on beta rn:
I can't wait to die
for testing purposes ofc

I'm scared of that sticker

[gilded talon]

Kai! Go sneeep. Why are you even still awake?

[random gull]

me who has died something like 20 times in the last 5 days:

the line of people scolding me got longer it’s only a matter of time before the mods get onto me

[oak berry]

our poor skykids have to be battered by rocks almost daily
kaiiiii sneep

[left dragon]

At least Kai is not online on constlation go sneep

[gilded talon]

Wdym? to this point I have even become friends with Eden rocks

[random gull]

I switched to live to bamboozle yall

[pale junco]

It's better if we could directly teleport to pnr and die again and again

[sinful wind]

I just came here to scold Kai for not sneeping too bad Kai

[pale junco]

As ktjn said the amount of candles have increased and we got 18 before dreams so something definitely is wrong might be a problem with the cr system

[minor falcon]

got 17 candles yesterday without running isle (or the any of the trials, got prophecy cake), 8 player puzzle, either gw tree, shipwreck, ark or eden

[left dragon]

0:00 Kai, Ales, Voi, Emma and "the stranger" entered the last eden map
4:30 Cardamom entered the map(me)
6:27 Aeras entered the map
7:08(±30sec) Ales died
7:40(±30sec) The stranger has died
9:47 Voi died
12:17 Emma died
13:35 Cardamom(me) died
27:03 Kai kill switched
30:07 I was teleported to the dark room(30 minutes since server was generated; 25 minutes since i entered the map; 16,5 minutes since i died/became blue light). At this point everyone except Kai and Aeras were there
32:17 Aeras kill switched (26 minutes since entering and 25 minutes since first death[because of the possible error on Ales's death time, the reference point cant be identified])
yes i did open stopwatch for testing purposes

[sick pendant]

I died completely alone and everything went smoothly

[left dragon]

It is very odd that kill switch time seems to depend on the number of people on the server. When i was testing with other 3 people, it was about 15ish minutes.
So for 4 people its 12-16
For 7 its 26-27?(if to reference to Aeras and Kai timing)

[gilded talon]

To complement that
22:08 Ales in dark room
22:21 voi in dark room
26:08 Emma in dark room

[left dragon]

Ok it looks like the teleportation to the dark room/separation happens around 14-16 minutes after death. So death is a reference point

[gilded talon]

So it seems that the kill switch counts from the moment we enter pnr (around 25 minutes from the entering point in our case). It might also depend on the number of people in the instance. Seems that the more people we have, the longer it takes the kill switch to kick in.

[blazing sail]

Weird. Was that change to message candles tested in beta and just not mentioned?

[gilded talon]

It’s not been mentioned App. But I did notice not getting a heart even when I had over ten likes on my message. Thought it was a bug

[blazing sail]

Weird that they didn’t look for feedback before implementing it in live.

[austere star]

That means they just added something without being sure it has no bugs.

[tender oasis]

Kill switch wasn’t mentioned either when that came to beta.
about the times of that:
We got kill switch with 3 person after 30 mins from entering point of no return and 28 mins with 6 person yesterday.

[late mountain]

Its probably hard to test in beta due to the reduced player base for feedback of the heart system in use.

[blazing sail]

I don’t really rely on those messages at all but it seems like a really strange change. They should instead work on making more candles appear to people instead of the same ones that get thousands of likes. Not sure what this accomplishes?

[balmy ocean]

The event in beta has ended a while ago right?

[lapis ore]

I think they’re trying to disrupt note hunting groups, but I do feel like this puts moths at a disadvantage

[austere star]

The worst part is, they are either just spam emojis or random Japanese or Chinese.

[blazing sail]

Does it really do that, tho? I think it just punishes people with fewer active friends.

[minor falcon]

we can all submit feedback in #live-feedback , I sure did - this does very little to deter active message shrine groups and makes getting hearts from notes even harder for those who don't participate up the gratitude shrine heart cooldown instead

[austere star]

I can't recall ever getting a heart from messages

[lapis ore]

Well the Japanese and China could just be their message but yeah seeing a bunch of just emoji notes is annoying, maybe limit the amount of emojis you can use? I guess we’ll see where they take this since ppl will be writing feedback, Ik a lot of my friends tend to get stuck at 9 likes for the meditation quest so maybe it kinda encourages making friends in a way

[blazing sail]

I don’t want them to limit what you write. Some of us are just doing it for the quest and being silly because we’ve been answering these questions every day for over a year. 😅

[austere star]

Everytime I go at a shrine I always see monkey Emoji, it gets anyone after a while.

[blazing sail]

It also takes a lot of time to refresh messages and get new ones. I think if they want them to work as intended (not farmed) they need to make them less painful to interact with so people will want to read the messages not just to help friends.

Edit: I guess the boats changed things, tho, since they’re just everywhere. But I tend to ignore them. They’re just clutter.

[tropic radish]

Wait, are note hunting groups bad ?
For the emoji thing, yeah, there should be a prohibition of putting single/2/3 emoji only

[spark lance]

I've left my two cents on the matter in #live-feedback .

[late mountain]

There's reason behind the change and I'm sure TGC would be happy to consider your thoughts in #live-feedback. This is probably a discussion better suited for another channel though as its not really beta content.

Speaking of beta content though how's eden been going for those that had a chance to test? I haven't been seeing too many bugs thankfully.

[pale junco]

Worked perfectly fine tho i think there's some problem with when a person reaches the black room after dying. Ignis died first and after we all were nearly dead ignis reached the shiny boy

[late mountain]

Sounds promising, hopefully will make it to live mostly bug free. Thanks ^^

[sick pendant]

We all know it won't

I'm looking at you, season of dreams

[late mountain]

I think there's a good chance it will come through well. Its easy to remember the bugs that make it to live but the amount that get identified and squashed in beta is huge. No guarantees of course, such is the nature of bugs, but there's certainly been a lot getting identified and fixed of late which is good.

[plucky nymph]

Where can i report the heart attack players will get after visiting vault in live? Lol

[pale junco]

Imagine fire trial

[plucky nymph]

Ohhh man. It is really ..funny. a journey from " vault of knowledge " to " abondoned vault".

[lapis ore]

Oh speaking of the trials, apparently they got nerfed again? I haven’t gone back to check since the update, but I don’t remember hearing about that in beta

[blazing sail]

Umm did they intend to remove all candles from the second floor of the vault?

[pale junco]

#beta-discussion message

[plucky nymph]

Alsoooo the number of likes to earn heart have increased... Wow bingooooo. Well congrats all.

[pale junco]

Yes, my max was 11 likes TwT

[blazing sail]

Yeah but there’s no candle cake either

[pale junco]

Oh, in live. Yes it's a bug check #known-issues

[blazing sail]

Ah thanks

[plucky nymph]

Hopefully it is 11 in live. Sorry beta channel for disturbing. Okies you all proceed

[pale junco]

It's actually 13 likes for a heart

[shrewd needle]

Oh FFFF! That means that I am down to never getting hearts! In 18 months I have gotten only three hearts ever.

[fluid kelp]

I've been meaning to ask, has the candle cake in trials been implemented in live? XD
I haven't enter trials yet aaaa, both beta and live

[storm vessel]

What's the ideal situation for message shrine heart anyway? Are you suppose to post randomly and hope that 3 of your friends and lots of strangers like the messages?

[shrewd needle]

It doesn't help when you don't see friend messages easily anyway. Something else I suggested before is making it so you see friend comments first. There have been plenty of times where I know a friend has posted a response at a shrine, but I haven't gotten to see it even after a ton of hide/refresh.

[hollow compass]

Message shrines were never meant to be heart harvesters. They were exactly what their name implies. But unfortunately, for every good thing TGC introduces to the game comes players who seem to want to abuse the system. I don’t think it will be so easy to combat, as long as hearts are generally (among players) considered currency rather than gifts.

[finite meteor]

reading a message from like 30 mins ago about testing eden - havent had much time to go (or i dont realize im procrastinating it),, when i get the chance i’ll steal some of yall for it

[lapis ore]

We haven’t left yet, still waiting

[shrewd needle]

I am not worried about it so much for hearts. My point is I want to see what my friends have said instead of seeing messages that have gotten 1.2k+ likes.

[storm vessel]

How can you make sure that your friends know where to look for the messages anyway unless you have agreement before hand or tell them...

[shrewd needle]

If a shrine is a mission, that is easy to know active friends should have posted there.

[lapis ore]

Some of my friends just post everywhere but Ik note hunting groups have some sort of arrangement bc I’ll see like a bajillion looking glasses at a shrine one day for example

[hollow compass]

And we don’t really know how “bad” this is out there beyond our server.

[storm vessel]

Can't be worse than 1 heart per day.

[shrewd needle]

Oh well, we'll have to see. Nothing will make everyone happy. I just hope things work out alright for TGC. It sure seems like some things have gone nasty for them in this mobile market.

[storm vessel]

And you have to spend a long time liking messages.

Even come back afterwards to like messages of the people who posted after you who might have liked your messages...

[plucky nymph]

If game " uses them as currency" then i am sorry but players will take it as " currency". Why to make hearts paid for stuff at first place that too with that amount. White black cape 50 heartssssss. New tier two capes 75 hearts. I am sorry its not players end that is doing it wrong. It is tgc.

[lapis ore]

Best thing to do is to leave feedback in #live-feedback , but tgc is in a tough spot

[hollow compass]

Why did you ping me for this? Please see Owl’s comment.

[plucky nymph]

Ohhh sorry

[storm vessel]

With the new candles Chevron system, it's faster to farm 3 candles than liking all the messages at the shrine lol.

[plucky nymph]

But does the new candle forging system gives you more candles? That is the question.

[hollow compass]

No, and that is not its purpose.

[plucky nymph]

I am sorry but for me TGC is really working hard to annoy players. Like you keep on putting items that need good amount of candles and hearts. Then you preach... " Oh players we dont want you to grind... Socialise" well i do chat around and sometimes dont farm but look at the system now.

[hollow compass]

I’m sorry you feel that way. Just want to gently remind you that this is the beta channel.

[plucky nymph]

Then either start giving one heart free to players who log in everyday.

[empty river]

You get more candles in a certain amount of time than in live, and if you decide to do a full candle run, well.. thing is that the system is not complete yet, so the hard cap isn’t really there as of now

[hollow compass]

Again, this is the channel for talking about beta-related gameplay. You can suggest ideas and improvements in other channels for the Live game.

[plucky nymph]

Yes sorry. I just answered because " hearts and currency" thing came up. Anyways best of luck

[hollow compass]

Yeah, sorry. We all went off on a tangent there.

[gilded talon]

So I tested, it seems my message boat gave me a heart on 12 likes if I’m not mistaken. Maybe I’ll test again later 🤔 I’m not that sure about it, cuz my beta got 12 likes without getting any heart and my live did. Wonder if it’s bugged. Or maybe it’s just cuz beta was one or two builds ago. We are getting so many beta updoots I just lose track

[primal pagoda]

or maybe we get a heart at a random number of likes between 11-20 or something like that

[autumn bane]

lmao. they honestly should not have done this change imo but rather fixeda weekly limit of hearts you can get from shrines. it wouldnot have affected those who dont use shrine-farming groups and who already had a hard time getting any heart

sadly the whole shrine system is not very optimized anyway

[quaint jungle]

Honestly, the new update affected the solo players more than the shrine groups

[late mountain]

Currently the number of likes to get a heart is subject to change. Please post any feedback about this change in #live-feedback.

Same as how it is asked in beta to not post exact numbers on charts while features are in testing doing the same thing for the fluctuating like threshold to get a heart from message shrines and boats would be much appreciated.

[uneven dust]

Shhhh or u'll get ban

[slim kayak]

We shouldn't use the beta channels to talk about that

Also good morning beta :stickerTired:
Super tired from eden last night but that was fun

[empty river]

No ones getting banned for asking a question in the wrong channel, however implied profanity isn’t something we allow here so @spark lance can you edit that out please?

[spark lance]

Sureeee

[empty river]

Aha I was referring to your message about mine, sorry for not specifying 😅

[plucky nymph]

Very true. Its really annoying. Like you introduce items that cost tons of hearts and then say... Oh we dont preach that. Okkkk. Got that

[sand dawn]

Those capes were added for veteran players with hearts to spare.. some of us have been accumulating hearts at a rate of 2 or more per day for well over a year .. it adds up and it’s frustrating not to have any place to go with them.. hearts feel worthless once you’re done unlocking stuff.

[hollow bolt]

I don’t personally feel frustrated that I’m rich. It just appears to me that the in-game currency seems to have an imbalance if we accumulate hundreds of hearts that can’t be spent, but work hard for candles that don’t accumulate as quickly. The differences are just more obvious after a while. I hope that makes sense 😅

[plucky nymph]

So if players are not veterans... Then ? Like ok i agree with your accumulated phenomenon but this happens in every game. You do get ingame currency high. But does that mean that new players should be deprived of getting them ?. So i should have been veteran to buy tier two capes?

[sand dawn]

No one is deprived of anything.. those capes are not going anywhere, unlock them at your own pace

[toxic spruce]

I think the thing is a lot of stuff requires candles, it’s a on going spending whereas hearts you only need it for cosmetics and TS emotes, and once you have completed the constellations TS emotes only. I feel like maybe some of the higher tear stuff in friendship tree to use hearts might balance it out. will put in feedback since you’ll never stop making friends so you’ll will always have a way to use hearts when unlocking higher emotes

[plucky nymph]

Its in every game. Every game has old players and new players. But they dont tend to sacrifice new players ... Like i am sorry but this is how it sounds. Look no one will like to play for infinity ...

[hollow bolt]

I agree with you Solarin. I think that hearts don’t seem to be of any use once you’ve completed spirits (and/or ts).
To me, the highest form of currency are regular candles. You want them for everything.

[plucky nymph]

Then why to make them grind more to earn. Just like the normal way. I even heard that it was not ten likes. It was lesser likes initially for one heart

[toxic spruce]

Just think of those ascended capes and ultimate gifts as end- game items. No new players should be able to get them, no?

[hollow bolt]

I think players should be able to obtain those special items as an exciting thing to save up for and work hard for. But that will depend on the demographic and who you ask.

[slim kayak]

The tier 2 yellow cape is pretty cheap though. Sure most of the capes are super expensive, but newer players can still get one of them early on, and feel like they accomplished something

[plucky nymph]

Exactly. No game does that even. Like new players cant get that. Its strange strategy

[spark lance]

I don't understand what's the motivation to increase likes for hearts?. Can someone explain?

People who use shrine farming groups easily get 30-50 likes.. I don't think new policy can stop them. It only makes new players hard to get hearts.

[slim kayak]

I suspect its to deter those groups, but I agree, this change isn't going to stop them, it might make them try even harder. I feel that tgc could have implemented a different change if they wanted to deter message hunting groups while not hurting other players

Perhaps making it easier to find friends' messages, or making it harder for a note with a ton of likes to be shown to random players, or even limiting those notes to just friends after a certain point, to give other players a chance

[hollow bolt]

I think that those groups are actually demonstrating community by teaming up and helping one another gain hearts. They’re thinking like a group rather than being individualistic and trying on their own. Just something I was thinking about!

But it’s hard to know why the number of likes have been increased for lanterns and boats without a statement from TGC themselves. We can only make our best guesses

[hollow compass]

The tier 2 capes are for veterans, that has been explicitly stated. They’re meant to be symbols of friendship, because we’re supposed to get hearts from friends as tokens of appreciation. Granted, this appreciation can take different forms and sometimes that includes a mutual agreement to exchange regularly (for both parties’ benefit).

[hollow bolt]

I do really feel for shy players who will struggle to gain at least 5 likes for their boats/lanterns

[hollow compass]

At the same time, this is at heart a game about social interactions. You’re not supposed to play this solo.

It’s also not a game where you’re supposed to finish a constellation in a week. It could have been an all IAP game, but most things in it cost ingame currency, which at the end of the day is more about our time spent in it.

[hollow bolt]

It was also originally a game you played once and finished, but TGC didn’t expect people to love it so much that they couldn’t get enough of it
These are exciting times for the TGC community :D

[hollow compass]

I don’t remember the game being a one time experience. When would you say that was? Very early beta?

[hollow bolt]

No, just from reading Jenova’s interviews.

[hollow compass]

I think ever since first emote upgrades and then wing power was tied to visiting Eden it became a more-than-once gameplay. And that was a long time ago.

[sick pendant]

I just saw friends candles falling from sky when they forget. Is it intentional or bug

[lament mica]

Oh shoot sorry, I hadn’t seen that message before and I saw someone replied (message deleted now)

[hollow bolt]

😅 What I mean is that, yes, the reincarnation gameplay was there from the earliest stages. TGC meant for you to play several times if you wished, but they didn’t expect players to commit to it for years.
TGC have in some way, pioneered the way for a game to become so personal to a player, and a place for you to build a community with real players.

But idk if I’m talking about beta content anymore, so I’ll stop talking xD

[strong tangle]

Oh and they added them cause veterans have nothing to spent hearts on the same with the ppl who have finished const or the ppl who want them

Like the black cape and white teir 2 are for 150 thats pretty hard tbh but The capes are still for everyone :SkyTada: :SkyBoogie:

[lament mica]

It’s intentional! It seems we were always supposed to see them and other things like IAP items

[lament mica]

You can also buy some of them at an ok price (eg yellow is 9 hearts). It’s not something that only unlocks if you’ve been playing for a year

[willow crescent]

What is friendly ranking?

[hexed crown]

hello, may i know what is the bar that shows saying how friendly you are?
i heard a friend says it can give you a shepherd role.
how can i fill it for my friend?

[tight fog]

oops wrong question lOL

[willow crescent]

Its from beta