👶beginner-help

[stable solar]

O

[lone crater]

crit dmg

for phy

but it also depends on the char kit

[stable solar]

So i should just focus on attack

[lone crater]

some phys char atk is better than crit dmg

[lone crater]

yes

[stable solar]

Ty ty

[lone crater]

but i was tryna say, the affix CRT is useless dont roll that

[stable solar]

Ah alrighty

Tysm

[digital kiln]

How much sc metal do i need for next version

[lone crater]

just stock up like a 1000

[shell basin]

520 per pri arm you need

[charred basin]

how many pulls should we get till the end of Mei's supply? not counting all events just usual from dailies/weeklies etc

[quick birch]

check out the crystal income calculator in the pins, there you can adjust the income based on your rank etc.

[quick birch]

also || lunar dkey || wasnt revealed yet for global so please spoiler the image because it contains info about that

[charred basin]

oh okay

does this mean the next s rank will be new or do I need to loose one more pity to get character I dont own yet?

[shadow gyro]

the next s rank u get is 40% chance to be someone u don't own
and the next next time u get an s rank the chance for new increases

all n all tho u shouldn't rely on dorm giving you something you like because its still rng who you get
but if you have something like the s rank egg or s rank box and really wanna get a valk from there then its better to wait and see who you don't get and get them from there for elysian realm crystals
if they're in war treasury then might as well get them from there

[charred basin]

in next version with all the rewards and shop updates I'll be just missing Misteln from Part1 so I'm only waiting for her to come home, I guess few more years then

[abstract sequoia]

may your dorm supply ticket luck be plentiful

[shadow gyro]

she's in reserve and she'll be soon in WT
maybe not too soon but at some point unless hoyo does something funny

at least for collection sake u don't have anything to worry about

[charred basin]

yeah ik but thats gonna take me a whole new version to obtain (at minimum)

[abstract sequoia]

5 orbs per version are brutal yeah..

[shadow gyro]

yeah, maybe even more
but it will happen eventually

and who knows if you're lucky enough to get her with dorm
still 40% though...

[charred basin]

[abstract sequoia]

i would pray on dorm and get her weapon on reserve, if you really want to go against meta or already bought every dk in reserve anyway

maybe save those for spending events of course

[shadow gyro]

the only time (and last probably) you would need hare is the upcoming aponia boss but that's it

[abstract sequoia]

actually it might be close, idk how far the dmg diff is between dk horb

aside getting type countered

[charred basin]

I just want her for collection thats all

[shadow gyro]

yeah u don't have an issue then

[abstract sequoia]

yeah then do as I said, unless you get the balls earlier for her valk

[shadow gyro]

that's a big deal
but the hare players are probably asleep atp so for rl and lower it should be more than fine
idk nirvbanana

[abstract sequoia]

nirvana will be brutal

it's usually a mix between new gens who do not own her (because they can't) and old players flexing their wallets and past rank ups

[slim blaze]

BKE users

[shadow gyro]

yeah

im only expecting oldges to be the ones trying in nirv with their hare

[abstract sequoia]

I'm doomed to be the former

[shadow gyro]

[slim blaze]

who to use in ER this time

need a change

[shadow gyro]

can use ur fav or someone u didn't use in a while

[slim blaze]

thats why im asking

[abstract sequoia]

if we go on-weather

[slim blaze]

oh SN

gotcha

[abstract sequoia]

40% breach buff go brrr

[slim blaze]

oh right

both 15 cost buffs ?

[abstract sequoia]

yeah

any physical scythe and bow user is goated right now

[slim blaze]

what stigs kekw

[abstract sequoia]

+2s are kalpas and hua

[slim blaze]

lemme forge allan poe for memes

ah well

can always go dirac

[abstract sequoia]

yeah dirac works

[slim blaze]

ely TB dante M time

[wicked cargo]

ah man not my rita 🙁

[serene crystal]

Rita is decent for this one

[next spade]

When im playing the new part 2 Sushang do i need to press anything else besides her ultimate?

[slim blaze]

WA

[next spade]

Weapon? and then fill the bar and hold normal attack?

[slim blaze]

ba

[slim blaze]

basic bread and butter combo is
QTE > WA > CA > special WA > Ultimate

basically press all flashing buttons

[sturdy galleon]

hey guys! How can i get 6 of these? I need them to finish upgrading my last ME prism

i have none left on the supply shop, i somehow also dont have any prism stigmatato salvage

and im not level 70+ yet to get it from memorial

[shadow gyro]

events/permanent events/memorial arena to name a few
also what do you wanna level?

[sturdy galleon]

just MEs stigmatas

i didnt get her weapon but i did get all her stigmatas, and since shes my best dps atm i wanna have her 3 maxed out (also for the starter manual thing)

[shadow gyro]

at least if you level them equally it should be fine temporarily

[shadow gyro]

can you still go for her weapon?

[sturdy galleon]

yeah but i still woudlnt get starter manual mission

[sturdy galleon]

no banner changed

[shadow gyro]

oh i see

[shadow gyro]

you can level some of the p1 stigs

[sturdy galleon]

i need level 50, afaik they all need that one item for that

[shadow gyro]

#👶beginner-help message the ones you use from these

as long as they're leveled to level 50 it will count

if you'll include the MsE stigs at least prio the t and b pieces

[sturdy galleon]

vm they dont

thx! problem fixed then

[maiden garden]

Just a heads up
Always try to get the weapon along with the valk since the difference is quite big and it affects your crystal income when you will eventually have to compete with other players in abyss

[sturdy galleon]

As i said yesterday, i could've gotten, but had some personal issues that prevented me from playing the game for a good while

[maiden garden]

I see
I wasn't present yesterday
Just felt that saying it was imp

[slim blaze]

ez pz

[sturdy galleon]

is she good

[shadow gyro]

not meta but can be helpful for some beginner stuff and u should get her

[amber finch]

do try to post non question stuffs in #🎮honkai-chat next time

idk if thats considered lore or not so i wont comment on the no lores rule in this channel

[dark eagle]

sorry mistake

[potent vigil]

not a beginner but i haven’t played for a while and might make a new account
who should i prioritize pulling? no idea what the new meta is and what supports are best

[frozen crypt]

Right now there is nobody worth pulling even for reroll, you should save until the next patch coming soon because there is a spending event you will want lots of crystals to get more rewards from it

[potent vigil]

the mei battlesuit? also is rerolling worth

[frozen crypt]

Rerolling is very time consuming and exhausting so we don't push it hard, it's completely up to you and whether you think you can endure it without getting exhausted

[potent vigil]

sorry im asking a lot
is vita battlesuit good btw i have no clue what she does but i loved her story in ch40 ish

[frozen crypt]

Next patch rerolling will be a lot better because I think the starter supply valks are changing to actually good ones so the optimal plan is to reroll one of those then pull new valk + wep. We'll have more in-depth guidance regarding that when the patch actually arrives.

As for Vita she's not a good pull anymore because she cannot support the latest valkyries. It depends if you like her enough to make some unoptimal choices. Also she's difficult to actually obtain from a new account since she doesn't rerun much and one just passed I'm pretty sure

[potent vigil]

oh ok tyty!!! what are the starter supply valks next patch or where can i find them :D

[frozen crypt]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion has info for next patch, I don't actually know where the official info is regarding starter supply I think someone who has beta simple told me or something lmao

[spiral badge]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message this is what i can dig up for now on news for starter banner

[frozen crypt]

Oh Vita is in Carnival next patch if you favour non-meta objectives and wanted to spend your free 10x on her but the other valks in there are significantly better

It all depends what you want from the game

[amber finch]

beginner is fws and fdd yeah

next patch is pretty nice for rerollers

[shell basin]

PS is potentially worth pulling if you're rerolling

Because if you wait until next patch you miss out on free luna ||and can't pull her dkey||

[spiral badge]

i do want to say the main reason to reroll in this patch and not next patch is if you care about the upcoming new ||Lunar Vow Theresa changes with her new dkey gacha weapon||. This patch new players can get LV for free from clearing enough events but she won't be available this way next patch.

[potent vigil]

tytyyyy

[potent vigil]

wait is it guarantee with the free 10x?

[shell basin]

no

[frozen crypt]

Unfortunately no, they just give you some free pulls on that supply. 2 10x pulls

[frozen crypt]

Only for giga sweats I'd say?

[potent vigil]

fws is cny kiana and fdd is coralie dragon right, can you guarantee which you want? i want cny kiana

[spiral badge]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message i do have this post on the pros and cons of a new player getting ||LV's new gacha weapon|| but it might have specific jargon that you're not familiar with. Feel free to ask us to elaborate

If you're really focused on getting the upcoming Mei as a dps fully functional sooner than later, but still want ||LV's new dkey||, then you can aim to reroll for PS as QT said. Details are here #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message

[frozen crypt]

I'm struggling to think of how exactly PS would be used in future

[lyric anvil]

If only it was guaranteed

[frozen crypt]

Yes we have no 50/50s in this game anymore

Which banner do you intend to get her? Carnival or Starter?

[potent vigil]

will i have enough crystals for cny kiana + mei though

ummm starter for kiana probably

idk which one i should get her from

[frozen crypt]

If you reroll week 1 of the patch yeah

[spiral badge]

carnival doesn't start right away, so prob starter

[shell basin]

Well if she gets you a full team next patch? could bump you up an abyss bracket. And you'd also get more crystals this patch for having a gacha valk. Could pay for itself relative to just saving

[frozen crypt]

You can reroll kiana and pull mei normally

[potent vigil]

i don’t think i’ll reroll i don’t think i have time for that LOL

[shell basin]

especially if she's near the start of the 10 pull

[lyric anvil]

||I mean both starter Valks are in carnival also||

[potent vigil]

also what are the most current up to date rewards for returnees

[frozen crypt]

Completely valid, I personally would focus on getting mei first (and probably her weapon too unless you don't mind terrible combat performance) then try getting fws kiana from carnival

[potent vigil]

so ignore starter completely?

[frozen crypt]

To be honest with you if you are gonna use a returnee account here you are going to be significantly worse off, the returnee rewards do not really help you catch up

[shell basin]

Yeah starter only worth considering if you're rerolling

you'd be using the discount to do the first 10 pull more cheaply week 1 but if you're not rerolling just wait for carnival

20 free pity > 1 discounted 10 pull

[frozen crypt]

It would depend how many crystals you can get for the last day of fws up on the carnival banner, the pity gets wiped if you don't get a valk so there's no point sinking crystals into carnival if you can't guarantee

[potent vigil]

hmm okay tyty!!
also what units can vita support well? i heard there’s a selector up to hotr

sorry for asking so many questions

[frozen crypt]

She needs Rite of Oblivion valks supporting her desperately. Thankfully you can use the A rank Coralie and she supports her very well

How would you get vita tho?

Oh I misread

[spiral badge]

it is worth pointing out that with part 2, every new valk can now operate as a dps or as a support depending on their properties and placement in the teams

[frozen crypt]

Vita supports world star, wheel of destiny, rite of oblivion (kinda weird/situational tho), law of ascension

[amber finch]

she wants characters with the omniscient star (main ring is called Rite of oblivion) tag, the selector does not have anyone with that tag or anyone with the astral ring mechanic in it at all, currently there are 3 supports for vita: hofi with her new dkey (waxing moon), A rank coralie who is farmable in the ast shop (her weap is also free from p2 story) and S rank coralie (or dragon coralie like you said)

[frozen crypt]

Ches is just as stupid as me

[amber finch]

whar

holy shit

lyo we’re blind

[lyric anvil]

Would say she semi lost her place in LoA but it's situational

[frozen crypt]

We are

[frozen crypt]

Yeah just speaking objectively

[spiral badge]

these names probably are very strange to you if it's your first time seeing them. Team building structure has changed greatly in part 2. Instead of having an ice team or a physical team back in part 1, we now build teams around ring types and tags with the astral ring system

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a Character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. When activated:

• the leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle.
• the team will benefit from effects (e.g., Stigmata buffs) that require Astral Ring.
• the team will gain access to Stellar Outburst, a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[frozen crypt]

She's pretty mediocre in WoD as well

Always has been

[potent vigil]

yeah i quit after big griseo LMAO ty

[spiral badge]

do take the time to understand the astral ring system. it's foundational at this point for all teams

anyway idk what it's in it but the selector prob doesn't really matter. It's filled with old and out of date valks with no astral ring if it's only going up to HoTr. you'll mainly want to consider something that isn't farmable otherwise (so cross check with War Treasury, Asterite shop, expeditions)

aside from team building, the other main change to keep in mind is the gacha has changed too. In p1 we would roll for all stigmata, but nowadays we only need to roll for the weapon and then we can stop. Stigmata are now craftable at worst in the foundry

[potent vigil]

how long does it take for a newbie to obtain an s rank in war treasury now?

[spiral badge]

!faq supply

[small willow]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

idk if there's a measure for that but

!faq al income

[small willow]

Ancient Willpower/Legacy Income

Hi, Captain!

Average weekly Ancient Willpower income
49 = 210*7/30 Purchases using Asterite
55 Memorial Arena Exalted 10 attempts
65 Memorial Arena Exalted 2% bonus
56 = 28*2 Memorial Arena SSS Bosses
11.11 = 100/9 Vanguard BP
16.66 = 150/9 Knight BP bonus
11.11 = 100/9 Paladin BP bonus
20 Weekly Quiz
283.88 Total

Average weekly Ancient Legacy income
10 Memorial Arena Exalted 10 attempts
24 = 12*2 Memorial Arena SSS bosses
38 = 19*2 Abyss Exalted Red Lotus finalization
0 Vanguard BP
5.55 = 50/9 Knight BP bonus
5.55 = 50/9 Paladin BP bonus
~5.55 = 50/9 Events and other
~88.65 Total

Note that both weekly incomes can fluctuate based on event rewards and patch length

[spiral badge]

The game has shifted to gacha only valks so farmables don't really matter anymore in the meta

[amber finch]

ok so what lyo and me sent were assuming that vita is the dps in the team, vita has the astral ring (AR) Rite of Oblivion, which means she can essentially act as a filler for every other astral ring teams no matter what astral ring they are, she will always fill the 3/3 AR requirement, however, she will not get the special mechanics of the astral ring she’s acting as a cope in (if she does not have the corresponding tag)

so like about tags and types

[amber finch]

btw here's an example

vita does not have the AR tag that supports hle's ring type but she can still fill the 3/3 req as you can see

[spiral badge]

i don't think anyone mentioned this yet but the reason why we stress meta so much is because performing better in abyss gives you significantly more crystals

but meta or casual isn't really just purely one or the other. You can find your own inbetween balance of it. Just let us know what specific goals you have and we will keep them in mind when giving help (just like FWS considerations earlier)

[amber finch]

astral ring type = the big blue squares
astral ring tag = the smaller blue outline squares

[spiral badge]

anyway i'll stop here and let other people help with other topics for now. Be sure to check pins for general info, and feel free to ask as much as you like

[potent vigil]

yeah alright ty!!! i’m more into waifu over meta now so im happy with them haha

[potent vigil]

okoooo i see

[potent vigil]

i think i’m probably going to be casual somewhat? since im more into character design rather than meta, and hi3 probably isn’t going to be my focus game so honestly idk where to start
my favorite valks r theresa (sleepy), vita, hoflamescion, silverwing so yeah im a bit cooked HAHA

[amber finch]

each astral ring type corresponds to each tag
some example bc i dont rmb them all:
GoI (grail of infinitude) = Symbiosis
RoO (Rite of Oblivion) = Omniscient star
etc etc

• You want to match the tags of the Supporting valks to your DPS valk's AR ring type

how do you differentiate dps from supports for p2 valks?
like sairaan had said "it is worth pointing out that with part 2, every new valk can now operate as a dps or as a support depending on their properties and placement in the teams"

• So just know that if you want a p2 valkyrie as a dps then you just put her in the leader slot (first slot from the left) and if you want her to be a support then you just put her in the other 2 slots

shit i pressed enter too early

[spiral badge]

you'll might want to think about if you want to go after weapon or not then

signature gacha weapons are usually important and not something to skip. They often are 30-40% personal damage and can have further effects that are needed for the valk's to play smoothly or work well in niche cases

meta wise i would tell you to skip FWS weapon since you wouldn't get as much top uses as a dps at this point. FWS has been released for a full year already. FWS also supports mostly fine without her weapon.
However for the new mei i would tell you to get her weapon since she's new and you can get full mileage from the cost at this time

but maybe you're a waifu player that wants FWS to still be a dps
or maybe you're just waifu player that only wants to collect characters and don't need them to perform well, so you can skil both weapons

[amber finch]

reusing this image, as you can see, i want HLE (hi love elf) to be the dps so i put her in the first slot (from the left) and the other 2 valks are supports

[spiral badge]

flamescion and silverwing are now farmable in WT at least

[amber finch]

btw think of AstralOps like ELFs, they are not playable (as in playable like valkyries) and they are not must pulls

back to vita as a support, she nowadays is considered too slow for a dominant slot in any teams, however this does not mean that she is useless, she is still a good breacher and a good support, she has just become a situational pick because newer valks got released

[spiral badge]

sleepy theresa is unfortunately very bad to pick up at this point meta wise. Vita as said earlier doesn't support the latest ring type. If you're getting her then you may consider skipping her weapon since her dps use cases are more niche, and she can support without it.

We can still consider them if you would like but this is starting to become a huge list now (Mei, FWS, Teri, Vita) that I think you should prioritize to 2 instead. Keep in mind a valk can cost 90 pulls while a weapon costs 60 (roughly 40k crystals for valk+weapon each). Check pins for various sources to crystal income but loosely speaking, you need two patches of income to hard guarantee one valk with her weapon

• EDIT: this is worst case. More normally it's not uncommon to roll one valk across each patch for a few patches until you get unluckier and need to skip one patch. for a newer player they have alot of early crystals to rush for a valk or two too.

[potent vigil]

hmmm okay tyty!!! i’ll think ill prioritize mei first and either vita or fws kiana

[spiral badge]

i do think it's a strong opportunity to consider rerollling with your list in mind to cut down on the cost but as said, it's valid to not do so and it's up to you

for your older account, do you have anything in it that you're very attached to?

#👶beginner-help message if you're not sure, you can consider this list of possible reasons to not restart

[potent vigil]

my older account that i’m thinking about recovering has hotr horebirth (3/4 with weapon iirc) sleepy teri mainly i don’t remember the rest? might just recover it and have it on the side
i have an even older account with hohe (2/4) and sushang i think

[spiral badge]

if you really want to stick with them, then we can discuss how to make the best of it from there but for now give it some thought

if you do reroll, we do have a pin about the process where you can use the same email (still a different hoyo account though)

and as you said, keep the credentials handy

anyway alot of info was covered and i feel it might be beyond overwhelming already lol

so unless you have any questions, i'll take a step back for now

[potent vigil]

i think i got majority of it tysm!!! but generally prioritize mei and her weapon since no weapon is insane loss
what is a good team for mei?

[spiral badge]

so mei is going to be a ||Grail of Infinitude|| ring type. This means she wants her supports to have ||Symbiosis|| tag. Hopefully by now you understand what this means. if not then go back to the astral ring faq and what Luner New Mes (ches) talked about earlier

FWS kiana does have this property. Vita and sleepy teri however do not

[potent vigil]

-# kiamei
ok so i pull for mei and weapon and hopefully get fws from carnival right

[spiral badge]

if you're not rerolling then yeah

no need for FWS weapon unless you want to use her as a dps, which at a top meta isn't as useful anymore

but keep in mind FWS is only one unit. You still would want a second ||symbiosis|| unit to help mei as a dps

the reason why ||symbiosis units are so important is because they help restore alot of sp, allowing you to extend and perform all of Mei's main actions during her stellar outburst||

[potent vigil]

who else are ||symbiosis units||

[spiral badge]

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a Character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. When activated:

• the leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle.
• the team will benefit from effects (e.g., Stigmata buffs) that require Astral Ring.
• the team will gain access to Stellar Outburst, a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

check the first link here

it's fine to get ||symbiosis|| units later than sooner though. Maybe a new release will also have it. Reruns actually are generally not worth it meta wise.

keep in mind gacha astral ring valks have one ring type (one dps role) but multiple tags (multiple other teams it can support)

(consequently FWS ring type is law of ascension which wants heavenly shift supports. ||the new mei does have that so you can further the kiamei agenda that way if you are interested||)

[potent vigil]

ooooo ok
thank you so much for helping me everyone!! i know i asked a lot
mainly worried about getting enough pulls for kiamei LOL

[spiral badge]

glad to help

just be mindful of the costs of all this going forward

if you're actually interested in my last point then you are looking to get kiana's weapon

so maybe reroll for FWS off starter > roll for mei and her weapon > get kiana's weapon in carnival (keep in mind pity expires here so make sure you actually can secure the weapon at 60 pulls or ~17k crystals) before carnival ends

[potent vigil]

alright i’ll definitely look into salting since it’s only 15-20 minutes (i’ve had experience rerolling in arknights lmfao)
since it’s cny there will be a lot of pulls right?

[spiral badge]

carnival ends sooner i think so you might prioritize kiana weapon over mei

but consider giving up kiana's weapon completely if you can't get everything. don't let prioritizing fws weapon make you skip out on mei

there's more crystal income yes but alot of those are daily or activity gated

some of those free pulls are bloated. We get 20 free pulls for carnival only, and only for the valk banner there (cannot use for weapons)

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

might as well throw this up at this point. Second link covers limited time crystals that are missable

check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for details on next patch

[potent vigil]

surely i will get lucky and get kiana fws first free pull on starter, and then vita on free 20 pulls on carnival, and mei and weapon on first pull each :clueless:

thank you so much this is a lot of info that helps :D

[spiral badge]

edited this one since i felt it could've been misinterpreted

[quick brook]

||WAIT SO LUNA ASTRAL? ||

SOMEONE TELL ME COZ I LITERALLY PREDICTED THTA

[shell basin]

||spoil that it’s not revealed on NA yet||

Or take it to #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[quick brook]

||i fr predicted it but the question is will she be good ||

damn so many chatacters

idk who to pull atp

[shell basin]

||Shes no Hofi as dkey valks go. Not a ton of BiS support cases outside of PS support, but she’s passable at others especially if you don’t have PS or don’t have paws, and ofc she has her own shill||

||and ofc 60 pulls is cheap||

[amber finch]

she’s a simp pull for me

[shell basin]

||smh ches misinformation, simp only supports P1 Luna||

[quick brook]

IDK WHO TO PULL

[shadow gyro]

||+10 atk which adds overtime, got her shill that she's the best at, can be used as an option for LoA and GoI supports, worth getting the dkey if it does not disturb your xdc + weap pulls
if the funds are too low for xdc then you can go for the dkey so you have something||

[shell basin]

What P2 valks do you have and how many crystals do you have?

[shadow gyro]

also your pity, game progress n all that if possible

[quick brook]

IM BROKE ASF

[shell basin]

Are you new? What does your 1 time sourced look like

[quick brook]

im confused wit the carnival BS

like 4 characters on the same banner?

[quick brook]

well not new but i just play casual

[shell basin]

Carnivals are typically 4 different banners. Each banner is part of a pair. So it wil be 1 and 2 for a week, then 3 and 4 for a week, then 1 and 2 for a week, then 3 and 4 again

Carnival banners within a set share Pity, eg if you spend 10 pulls on banner 1 week 1 and then another 10 pulls on banner 4 week 4, your pity will be at 70

But don’t share between carnivals

Any pity left at the end of week 4 is lost

||next patch the Valkyries on banner are Badum, FDD, Vita, and paws||

Does that answer your questions?

[quick brook]

damn im still broke to get them

[quick brook]

so each pair only has 7 days?

[shell basin]

Yeah. Tho each pair runs twice

Eg last carnival PS ran 1 week, then Badum 1 week, then ps again, then Badum again

[quick brook]

will the pity stay the same like 90 pulls to get one

[shell basin]

Within the carnival it’s shared between all banners. So if I spent 70 pulls on PS banner and didn’t get her, and then spent 20 on Badum, I would be guarenteed to get Badum

But if I spent 70 pulls and stopped

They’d be wasted at the end

[lime turret]

Ohh

[shell basin]

This is why you either only do free pulls or go all in

Since halfassing it is wasting pulls

[quick brook]

how much free pulls we getting

[shell basin]

20

[quick brook]

hmmm

[quick brook]

which of them is good

[shell basin]

||it depends on your account details but I would probably reccomend either FDD or Badum||

If you have multiple P2 Valkyries already that would change things depending on who

Since different options have different use cases

[quick brook]

so kiana and helia?

[shell basin]

||Kiana and Coralie, FDD is fate defying dragon||. But again depends on who you have

Eg if you have ||WS dpses then Badum has a solid argument||

[quick brook]

wait im doing elysia rn , ill send a ss on 2 of my accounts

[shell basin]

||In that case they look pretty similar in performance. there’s a bit of an argument to be made for Badum letting you cope SD content but it’d still be rough on HlE shill. Maybe slightly lean Badum but not much||

[slim blaze]

i see

[prisma oyster]

are there any stigs worth buying on exchange shop?

[lone crater]

none if u don't bother with ma

[spiral badge]

you may still want to conserve on resources for that shop in case some weird niche that appeals to you comes up someday down the road. Resources that builds up to, or even direct currency in that shop don't accumulate quickly

[kind hull]

do old banners for ELFs rerun? or is there another way to get the s-rank ones now?

[lone crater]

they dont rerun but u can get their frags when there's some sort of spending event with tokens

[sturdy galleon]

which one should i pick now? :D

[lone crater]

did we not say pick cannon last
but if u have ice valks go glove, pistol and greatsword does basically same thing

[ancient needle]

!faq whatdkey

[small willow]

Which DKey should I claim first?

Hello, Captain!

Also check out the Divine Key explanation pin [here](#👶beginner-help message) if anything mentioned (such as "gene limit") is confusing/unknown to you.

In the long run it doesn't matter, but the ideal order is:
1 - Grips of Tai Xuan (gloves, cope glove weapon and ice gene limit).
2 - Cleaver/Judgement of Shamash (guns/greatsword, need both to sync for +10 attack and fire gene limit).
3 - Jizo Mitama (katana, phys gene limit attached to it).
4 - Star of Eden (cannon, has no attached gene limit it just exists).

[sturdy galleon]

im pretty sure i got told to pick the pistols first at some point the first time i did this 😭

[lone crater]

well pistol is fine, ik someone asked this maybe it wasnt you, but last time i told one person to just not pick cannon first that's it, the rest have some uses

[waxen terrace]

Who's the abyss boss now?

[hardy lintel]

question what more Worth leveling up, oath of Judas or pledge of sakura?

[spiral badge]

you can check pins in #💁gameplay-help for the abyss schedule

[spiral badge]

neither are really used anymore and once you obtain them i believe they both cost the same mats. You can pick whichever one really

Judah was known for being a budget lightning dps cross long ago for any method that can deal many hits. At this point no modern valks uses cross weapons atm (the new theresa uses chained blades). Even if they make a new cross user where the team can deal many hits, you can prob expect them to balance it to be worse than signature weapons in beta (this happened to LV at least)

Pledge of Sakura does have a pri arm upgraded form where it was used back then to debuff enemies against fire damage and to deal with shields susceptible to fire damage/hits (SS rimestar). For dorm divine key menu purposes, the pri arm upgrade is not needed.

[lone crater]

just make that a faq atp

gigantic block of text lol

[spiral badge]

we already have many FAQs that people do self refer to. This one is too misc to add to the pile

tbh i didn't have to give any of the judah and sakura info but i did anyway because i had no idea what kind of angle the asker wanted to consider it from. Maybe they're not meta and are interested in something more for fun down the road

some of the details are also too historical or speculative to make it to a proper faq for current purposes too

[abstract sequoia]

late reply, but you still get a elemental breach buff for rita, which makes her also goated

you just have to get a bit more breach through signets

[wicked cargo]

signets are copies right

[abstract sequoia]

Here, 20% elemental breach. the tdm buff from ultimate and combo atk on top because it's the strongest if you can consistently keep it up.
HoD Minion if you play IMG rita (ME). Do not pick this with Quantum rita (FR)

[abstract sequoia]

what do you mean?

[spiral badge]

signets are the buffs you get from the characters/doors throughout a runthrough of the gamemode

[abstract sequoia]

Yeah and when I said go for elemental breach signets, i mean that you have to pick up enough breach signets to reduce enemy resistance even further. you can even go up to 100%, where any more breach becomes useless

[wicked cargo]

oh ok, then what does the S stand for

[abstract sequoia]

you mean battlesuit ranks?

[wicked cargo]

yes

[abstract sequoia]

Just a visual indicator mostly. Any rank-up gives valkyries more stats, while any letter upgrade also provides skill upgrades and unlocks

Any valk that comes as S rank used to be available in gacha banners

as the big thing to pull

well most anyway

It doesn't specify how strong a valk is, because of powercreep. HoV is the first Herrscher release, but can't be compared at all with anything that's out now

[maiden anvil]

coming back to the game after a long while
is vita still good? dont really care about anyone else

also who should i save/pull for

i dont need in-detail explanations im just wondering if sparkle mainly is still worth going for

[quick birch]

does she still have her use ? yes
is she as good as she was on her release ? no
a valks value peaks on her release and since vita was released over a year ago she lost a bit of her coverage and generally got more niche

DPS vita

• dps vita was generally already concidered niche at her release since she was mainly used as a support, furthermore her team building is rather restrictive since she really needs 3/3 RoO teammates
• vita is still a generally decent brute force option but just not often shilled

Support vita

• vita can support 4 Astral ring specialisations but is mainly used in 2 if i'm being honest and rather niche in the other 2

WS support

• Vita is still the main breach provider for WS valks and usually used alongside a WS dps ( sometimes there are exceptions), the problem is that WS isnt shilled frequently because they haven't had a real p2 valk addition in a long time, the last WS valk was HoRB + her dkey and dkeys are usually not shilled as frequently as normal valks

RoO support

• since there is only 1 other RoO valk besides vita (fdd) her use case in this ring is pretty frequent when it's shilled, she's still generally considered to be BiS for FDD, though FDD DPSs are generally considered to be rather niche and not shilled as frequently because their main focus was on their supportive capabilities in the past

LoA Support

• for the most part vita was replaced by FDD as the LoA breach support, she's still a good option if you're not competing at the highest rank but just not considered BiS anymore, sometimes she is BiS alongside FDD but it depends on the weather and is rather niche

WoD support

• generally you'd want to use senadina over vita in WoD teams if they're equally ranked, sometimes high rank vitas have a use case over sena but this is rather important for whales
• vita should still be BiS for JDS but her use cases as a DPS are also rather rare

generally she has been become more of a niche support but since you're a returnee you can expect to still see quite a bit of use from her for now since you're options are limited and you are probably at a lower rank after your hiatus, furthermore she's also a RoO valk so if you end up pulling any valk for which you don't have the supports she can fit in

[quick birch]

depends on your current crystal count generally you'd want to pull new releases when you can afford them + their weapon

[maiden anvil]

im so broke 💔

[quick birch]

no, even on her release she was a contender for a skip tbh and she prob won't rerun any time soon

[quick birch]

this is assuming you have vita already, investing into her now isnt really recommended

[maiden anvil]

aww man

[quick birch]

then it's really just playing until you can afford a valk + their weapon and trying to catch up with new releases while waiting for old releases to slowly fade out of meta

there's also the option to start a new account but based on your past messages it's probably better to show us your valks/equipment to determine if that's actually worth it
I also want to emphasise that restarting is more of a boost if you have competitive goals and not needed at all especially if you're casual, even if you have competitive goals you can recover old accounts it just takes more time/investment

[maiden anvil]

id rather not start a new account because i dont wanna play through part 2 chp1-3 again

[quick birch]

yeah it's totally up to you i'm just putting the options on the table

[upbeat egret]

Mango wants to challenge ~~sairaan ~~

[spiral badge]

why is name getting censored like i'm some sort of forbidden entity lmao

[lyric anvil]

[grizzled raven]

||||

[jolly pulsar]

HoFin erasure?

[jolly pulsar]

[quick birch]

oh right but the example stays the same

vita is still not relevant to hofi

[jolly pulsar]

can you actually use hofin lead outside of trio?

[quick birch]

well you can it's just not good

so no

[grizzled raven]

pay 5000 xtals for ping call thx

[jolly pulsar]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Kudai-IO-please-want-need-Xu3erOCcH8rjJdCcai

[jolly pulsar]

possible yes
usable no

[languid mulch]

Which one should I take?

[abstract sequoia]

!faq egg

[small willow]

S-Rank Valkyrie Option

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the in-depth explanation of what to choose!

Ai-chan recommends that you keep this egg until you have two from the following: Shadow Knight, Sixth Serenade and Goushinnso Memento. When you own two, unlock the one you are still missing.

[hardy lintel]

i asked cuz rn only have pledge of sakura, but if oath of judas was better than it id rather wait to level that kne up to use it for dorm d key boost of lighting Damage

sorry late reply long day

[cold wing]

Elo

I will repeat wat i sent in the honkai,chat

Im a collector

Got this valk in the shop today

And im not sure whether i should get sirin or astra rita or the silverwing nex

[long bloom]

Wow

You got a lot

[cold wing]

Wym i got a lot , it aint much

Im aiming to get all of em

Eventually

[long bloom]

I have only 10 valks

4s ranks

[cold wing]

Well

How much have u been playing yhis game for

[long bloom]

4 days

L

[cold wing]

Yea

That makes sense

I dont have much

218 days

[long bloom]

I lost my one year old account

Two years ago

[cold wing]

Alr

[lyric anvil]

Doesn't really matter as long as they're in ER

[long bloom]

Sorry if I disturbed u

Bye

[cold wing]

True

[prisma oyster]

might be a stupid question but do any of them have charged atk?

[spiral badge]

open their skill menu and try looking along the top right node

what prompted this question actually? Because usually checks for charged/combo attacks are for story missions in part 1 (these are part 2 characters so they're not usable there)

otherwise certain effects especially on older stigmata wants one or the other (but astral ring valks generally have their own hyperspecific stigmata that are craftable)

[prisma oyster]

for abyss boss the transition phase where u can damage the core if u use charged attack

[spiral badge]

oh uhhh that might be a weird translation/miswording. I don't think tonatiuh's transition specifically requires those attacks. What it wants is a melee attack on the blue bullet once it directs at you

hm yeah i see what you mean. I actually don't know what that charged atk bit refers to. It might not be important competitively

https://youtu.be/5LhnbrkLzw4?t=90

[prisma oyster]

yeah perhaps? whatever this means then

[spiral badge]

here's an example of how to competently handle it. Some characters like FWS or Sparkle can do a large range melee move to hit the last blue bullet once it's vulnerable but when it's still far in the back

(in the video, sparkle is attacking the central core to build up sp and ari since it's still a hitable entity. Those attacks aren't doing anything with the gimmick of the transition)

[spiral badge]

yeah idk. maybe there's some mechanic to it with charged attacks but it's not important afaik

[ancient needle]

Blue bullets make attacks be able to deal damage to the core (i. e. they become "charged")

That's it

Similar to the QUA mechanic in general

[spiral badge]

it seems like for astral ring valks, only hohe and RS have charged attacks if you want to test and see if that does anything (or justs use any non astral ring valk with a charged attack)

but it's prob as what teammate said otherwise

[ancient needle]

Their CA's could hit the bullets at the same time though, gotta direct them accordingly

[prisma oyster]

in refs they can immediately damage rhe core after just 2 balls and im having trouble recreating that? i need to wait for all the 4 balls instead that's why i thought i specifically need the charged attack

[spiral badge]

the point of interest in the fight are just the blue orbs which must connect with a melee attack

The order they are deployed are blue > orange > orange > blue

normally the last blue orb is out of range in the back but again a long ranged enough melee move can reach it

i guess it becomes vulnerable after the second orange orb (third orb overall) moves

it might be buggy? But i think the main bug long ago was more about triggering time fracture in this phase which distorts the hitboxes from their visuals, and that should be fixed now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NMkQaNikfs

read the description here

[prisma oyster]

ah i guess that makes sense since the team im using are full close ranged melee

[lone crater]

almost thought he did 838 this cycle, im like haxxs

[spiral badge]

yeah sorry old vod lol

[long bloom]

Anyone online?

How can I get a frame?

[amber finch]

events, achievements, etc

buying bp (paladin only) also gives you a frame
disclaimer: paladin is the most expensive bp and its not really worth the price

[long bloom]

Ok but I ain’t investing money on this cuz in my region the prices are too expensive

[amber finch]

you can click on a frame and see how you can get it btw

[amber finch]

most of the time its gonna be unobtainable

[long bloom]

I was scrolling

But mist of all come from buying no

[amber finch]

yeah im not telling you to, just giving you the ways that you can get a frame

[amber finch]

and events but again, the events have already passed

[long bloom]

I was just telling

Cool?

[sturdy galleon]

i did a single pull on dorm, is she usable at least?

[quick birch]

i'd mainly treat her as a 620 crystal source from ER, depending on your team she could maybe be used as an off field gluttony T proc and occasionally provide breach for fire/lightning units if you got nothing else, though iirc her rotation is a bit weird without her weapon

[sturdy galleon]

so shes ass and i should not build her

unless i plan on getting the 620 crystals from er

[quick birch]

generally that's the case with every dorm supply valk yeah, and you don't need to build her for ER. Shallow sequence gives you a trial valk and to farm her ER levels you just need to equip her with some cope gear since she'll be level 80 with max skills in ER

[sturdy galleon]

damn

[fallen shale]

what's the rotation on FDD > PAWS > HoFi?

[spiral badge]

uh it sounds like you're already giving a rotation/sequence with > ?

who is the leader? i assume FDD since by convention the leader is written first?

[fallen shale]

oh I didn't mean to, FDD is leader

[spiral badge]

so generally speaking a team consists of one dps and two supports

naturally you would want to buff the dps with the latter, esp when alot of the game's numbers are multipliers

so let's start with, do you know how to make your supports trigger their supporting effects?

if not, then read the 3pc stigmata effect (just the early part before it goes into specific ring types)

[fallen shale]

PAWS just needs to QTE and HoFi needs to WA, right?

[spiral badge]

yeah. There can be alternative conditions but that's the main ones

there's no real order you need to do these in but keep in mind PAWS need to actually hit

[fallen shale]

main issue I'm finding with this team is the cooldown to get back to FDD

[spiral badge]

HoFi does not. HItting with her WA does give a slight boost (10% tdm iirc) though (it's in her skills but idr where)

so hofi can go first before the enemy spawns. You might even wait slightly so it can trigger PAWS QTE

PAWS QTE and hits

then FDD dps

do i need to explain FDD dps?

[spiral badge]

can you elaborate more on this?

[spiral badge]

there are exceptions to this btw. Valks with team breach (sena, vita, fdd) generally supply it with some attack in their kit (ult for vita/fdd)

[fallen shale]

I'm used to other teams where the supports are able to reduce CD but it seems this team doesn't do that

so resetting buffs seems like it takes a long time

[spiral badge]

and some valks can have additional effects that aren't tied to 3pc stig (hofi WA actually hitting, thelema ult from her weapon's description, etc)

[spiral badge]

hm one thing to try is to turn off one of the QTEs and have FDD swap directly into that valk. QTE causes the valk swapping out to incur a longer swap cd

HoFi's QTE isn't often useful so you can prob turn that off. PAWS should leave her QTE on for reasons you mentioned already

[fallen shale]

I'm assuming I should turn off HoFi's, since PAWS' is fairly important

[spiral badge]

yup

turning QTEs on or off can be more situational overall

[shadow gyro]

hofi's qte isnt really used anyways
paws depends

[spiral badge]

i was thinking about bringing up vita for an example too. her QTE is alot more on and off

[fallen shale]

so that would basically turn into HoFi WA > PAWS QTE > FDD QTE > then FDD DPS

[spiral badge]

yeah

[fallen shale]

this team has no need for PAWS ult right?

[spiral badge]

ok so i was going to bring this up later

[shadow gyro]

yeah
paws ult if u want the stellar drain

[spiral badge]

yeah so do you understand what stellar drain is?

[fallen shale]

I don't think so

I've seen the term around but I'm not sure I know what it actually means lol

[spiral badge]

ok so basically when you start the fight or when you exit out of outburst, every valk on the team has this invisible stack of stellar drain

when performing specific attacks depending on the valk, it can be consumed to restore a large amount of ARI (20 or so usually)

effectively this means as long as you rotate across specific attacks on a team, you can always get 60 ARI per outburst cycle

[fallen shale]

so is PAWS' ult needed for that?

[spiral badge]

PAWS ult is how she triggers her stellar drain yeah

it along with other attacks also applies paralysis trauma which can have its own situational purposes but i digress

or maybe you can use PAWS attacks for hitcount utility but this is more digression

[serene crystal]

PAWS ult and HoFi charged atk on getting all her stacks. The second one you generally want to avoid using.

[spiral badge]

anyway whether you should do your stellar drain or not is situational. In some cases you may opt to not do it because you don't need the ARI

[fallen shale]

I've kinda been skipping her ult on teams that don't need it for CD reduction cause I was told I could do that

I didn't know it had a secondary purpose lol

[spiral badge]

ari is astral ring intensity btw. it refers to points you need to charge up for outburst (think of it as outburst energy)

just keep in mind stellar drain isn't infinite

so don't keep doing PAWS ult on multiple rotations expecting it to charge every time

you only get one stack per character every cycle outside of outburst

[fallen shale]

so I only need to do it once per outburst?

[spiral badge]

you can't do it mid outburst

[serene crystal]

once before each outburst

[fallen shale]

once between every outburst I mean

[spiral badge]

yeah

once per valk

[fallen shale]

I see

[spiral badge]

again keep in mind it's just one way to gain ARI. Its one of the more basic/common ways so generally you'll opt to do so

but ARI can be obtained in other ways or maybe you don't need to rush into outburst as soon as possible

[shadow gyro]

oh yeah something to note as well, if you ever need to do 2 SO in a combat then you would wanna get hofi's stellar drain as well which will deal with the awkward cd on fdd, but thats not something you would normally encounter in rl or lower since you would have enough dmg to do 1 SO

if im not mistaken ppl do basic evade combo to speed up filling her par comared to just spamming basics

[spiral badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5UcHH1ni_w maybe this video can be a nice demonstration of skipping stellar drains when it's not needed

in the first fight, they need vita to do her actions which includes triggering stellar drain in the process to reach her ult, where her main support effect is. As a result, they skip the paws ult

but in the second fight since they can hofi buff before the boss spawns (and not have opportunity for hofi to build stacks for her own stellar drain), they make paws ult for her stellar drain instead

---

vita actually restores a bit more than usual from her weapon effect before the first outburst, so outburst becomes ready earlier than the second fight

but they don't activate outburst until later because outburst refreshes their buff durations. Using it early but not having enough damage to finish the fight would be a time loss because starting it sooner will cause the buff effects to end sooner, making you do an extra cycle of buffing when you don't need to.

but i digress

[fallen shale]

ight I'll keep this in mind from now on, thank you for the explanation

[spiral badge]

i'm trying to dig up examples of what stea mentioned

[fallen shale]

on a semi related note, for the current abyss, last time this boss was run my best option ended up being FWS > FDD > PAWS, since I lack FDD's full meta team (and still do, the only thing that's changed is that now I have HoFi lol)

and I still don't have the actual valks this boss wants me to use

[spiral badge]

you really need to stop with the > arrows lol but uh

[fallen shale]

sorry, how should I notate teams

[spiral badge]

PAWS and HoFI does make FDD dps full

FDD PAWS HoFi is fine

just basically remove the symbols

[fallen shale]

ight

[spiral badge]

if you really have to be safe then you can try |

so FWS | FDD | PAWS

but i would more use this when there are ranks involved

S.2 FWS | S.0 FDD | SS.3 PAWS

[fallen shale]

So would FDD PAWS HoFi actually be better than the FWS team this time around?

since last time it was that vs FDD PAWS VBM

[spiral badge]

honestly i'm not going to know and you'll have to try out both ways

neither are type countered and both are fire that benefits from the weather

https://youtu.be/5NMkQaNikfs?t=88

alright i can't find an actual example but the sequence here would be similar

ground attack > evade attack attack > evade > attack attack etc until you reach full bar and then hold so she does the special attack that drain triggers off of

other ways to gain meter are her WA (restores 3)
~~ or evading an enemy attack (restores 1)~~ this is wrong i misremembered

https://youtu.be/g710orVmEII?t=48

boss transitions are a key point to try to prepare hofi's stellar drain

because you can try to get two weapon actives before they're over

hm i think you can do this on andrius wolf too but people don't generally do that lol

well anyway hopefully that gives food for thought

feel free to post your own runs so we can help with the details too

[fallen shale]

yeah I mean even if I don't literally do it this cycle it helps to understand what HoFi actually does

it seems she has a lot more to her than I thought

I'm still not very good at parsing character kits, so much to read lol

[spiral badge]

there can be more if we want to talk about other ring types too but yeah i'll leave it at that for now

yeah. Feel free to ask if you have any details you don't get

[fallen shale]

I did do her tutorial and have a read through her kit when I first obtained her and all I was able to get from that was that WA gives buff

[spiral badge]

but for most support cases figure out how they primarily buff/debuff and how they stellar drain

hofi you mainly consider if you don't need as much damage compared to other options nowadays, and value the speed of being able to buff early without waiting for an enemy

and also if you don't need to stellar drain or can prime her stellar drain in an area without time loss

[fallen shale]

don't I still at least need to wait for the enemy to be able to QTE to PAWS?

[spiral badge]

other misc things to consider are she can ignite slightly with her basic attack

and she can provide fire typing for symphony weathers

[fallen shale]

like in this specific team at least

[spiral badge]

you may consider that but not always

keep in mind abyss starts you with 90 sp

[spiral badge]

in the second part of the benares video earlier, you can see the same team and they didn't QTE in PAWS

the 3pc also activates from ult hitting

[fallen shale]

oh so it's also valid to swap straight to PAWS and ult instead?

[spiral badge]

they prob waited on HoFI WA to make the buff last longer/not expire as sooner

yeah

[fallen shale]

I see

[spiral badge]

to see if stellar drain triggered, pay attention to the ARI count at outburst button

you'll see the icon flash and the count will increase by like 20 or so

it's hard to see the PAWS ult actually hitting the boss but you can tell it did because drain went off

[fallen shale]

I've noticed that before but I didn't know it was stellar drain

[spiral badge]

i can't remember if picking up an ARI drop will also cause it to flash but anyway use context to figure out where the ARI increase is coming from

3-pieces effect Unfaltering Will
Ultimate and Combo ATK deal 15% more Total DMG. When equipped by Planar Armament: Warped Spacetime:
● After enemies are hit by Ultimate or QTE, entering Stellar Outburst, or entering the battle as the leader, all team members gain Raise the Banner for 25s. Retriggering refreshes the duration.

Hit with ult
hit with QTE
enter outburst
start the fight as leader

any of those will trigger the effect. Don't only focus on QTE

sorry if it feels i'm repeating the points. Just really trying to hammer and reinforce it since it's quite important

[fallen shale]

dw you're being very helpful

[spiral badge]

i do have this further post discussing various other ways to restore ARI if you're interested. Not fully comprehensive probably #💁gameplay-help message

but just to give you more awareness

anyway lmk if you have any other questions

[fallen shale]

does HoFi's ult do anything notable or is it just damage? I noticed in one of those videos the guy did the ult but I'm not really sure why

[spiral badge]

it's damage for the most part albeit not much. in some cases you may not even want to do it because even though it's time stop, it still cost slight time to enter and exit out of

ults generally can also cancel certain actions, although hofi's actions are fast that it doesn't really see use this way? (edit: this more applies to fws)

the main thing about hofi's ult is to put her back on the ground instantly

as her ground basics are what's fast to perform

[fallen shale]

I see

[viscid maple]

anyone know if this is good? I just started hi3 accidentally got this woman with the herrscher of void

it was like at 82 pity

[shadow gyro]

well that's not too bad
she can possibly be used in your teams in the future and you can use her in some of your teams for beginner stuff in the time being
while she's not too bad, the banner type is ass, costing you crystals that are better spend elsewhere
but at least you shouldve have achieved the manual's goal and did get something so it is nice, just refrain from pulling anything this patch because nothing rn is good

[viscid maple]

Thanks any beginner teams you would suggest rn im using the seele person with the scythe, the girl with paint star whatever and herrscher void

[viscid maple]

I meant 8 pity lol

😭

[shadow gyro]

#👶beginner-help message here!
ignore herrscher of human if you're not paying for beginner rush, everyone else is available elsewhere without needing any pulls

[viscid maple]

Sorry abt that

[shadow gyro]

as for jds (the character you got from the screenshot) she can use a rank coralie (valkyrie blastmetal) and Prometheus (TA)
for stigamatas you can look at the guide i send

[shadow gyro]

hm? nothing to be sorry about

[viscid maple]

Thanks

👍 👌

[shadow gyro]

if you do give jds the craftable weapon, then don't level it past level 35 since its a waste of resources for a weapon that's not good
that should cover your needs for now

[viscid maple]

Is jds a support or dps

😭 i joined yesterday

[shadow gyro]

both
all s rank characters with the astra ring mechanics can be used for both, but for your current situation you'll use her as a dps

[viscid maple]

👌 gotcha does the paint woman work with her

[shadow gyro]

whomever you set as the dps will very much be in the left most side

[viscid maple]

[shadow gyro]

you can
at least if you mean starry impression

[viscid maple]

Yess that one

[shadow gyro]

mhm she works fine for her

[viscid maple]

Thanks! I will go update my character rn

[shadow gyro]

yw!

[viscid maple]

[cyan mortar]

i use hoyostans as my guide right?
\

[shadow gyro]

for story? sure

[cyan mortar]

thanks

[serene crystal]

Can also look at the link pinned in #📚honkai-lore for a different opinion which is also sensible

[cloud grail]

chat should i pull on limited or standards if i like barely started over again

[serene crystal]

There is no standard and limited banner.
You should never pull on dorm outside of dorm tickets if that is what you mean with standard.

[cloud grail]

what the HELL did bro js say

[ancient needle]

I mean, Dorm is the equivalent of Standard

[ancient needle]

Dorm Supply is pretty much a graveyard, as of now just save until the next patch and pull valk + her weap + ||new weap for Lunar Vow|| when it drops

That's assuming you made a new acc

[cloud grail]

i left the game back in like 21

never understood anything

it was one of my first gachas i think

[ancient needle]

Yeah, it is overwhelming at first, that's normal

[ancient needle]

In regards to Dorm tix: keep 20 of them for spending events

||The next patch will have one||

[ancient needle]

If your acc isn't new we'll need more info (your story progress, current crystal count)

[cloud grail]

yeah idk what u js said

buzzword soup

[ancient needle]

What exactly is confusing?

Dorm Supply is the equivalent of standard here

When the patch drops you just pull the brand new stuff and stop

[cloud grail]

ohh

[cloud grail]

what abt like the new character?

like the current one do i skip them?

[ancient needle]

She's not new (came out in 8.2 while we're in 8.6), ideally skip

[cloud grail]

DAMN

[ancient needle]

Depends on your goals in the game though

[cloud grail]

damage

big ones

[ancient needle]

If you wanna be a pretty casual player you can afford a few backpulls here and there
Competitive players can't afford that though

[ancient needle]

Damage per screenshot competitions are not really a thing here if that's what you meant

[cloud grail]

does hi3 do anniversary stuff? like pick a 5 star like genshin has

[cloud grail]

i want ME to do big dmg

[ancient needle]

Our anni stuff is getting free pulls and getting Divine Keys (special weaps) for old valks

And spending events

[cloud grail]

how yummy

[ancient needle]

You can check the chart for the next one here: #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message

[cloud grail]

wait what lvl do i need to be to do most events?

also did the anniversary already happen?💔🎋

[ancient needle]

idr exactly but it's around lvl 30

[ancient needle]

One of the current events requires lvl 50

Both are very fast to get

[ancient needle]

Yes (in 8.5), next patch is Chinese New Year

[cloud grail]

god damnit

when's the anniversary

[ancient needle]

October 14th

[ancient needle]

Though it doubles as anniversary for us

(March 28th)

[ancient needle]

This is the Chinese anniversary date

[ancient needle]

The damage you will be doing depends heavily on what you're fighting

It can go from literally 0 to 7+ mils from 1 hit

[ancient needle]

There are a lot of different situations, so you wanna have a diverse roster (which you gradually get by pulling the brand new stuff)

[drifting wadi]

how do i gain access to the cn role?

[mortal carbon]

Like any role you can go to id:customize and select it from there

[rotund roost]

Where did this skin come from

oh spending

[frigid harbor]

is it worth to craft vbms stigmata

[lone crater]

its prob worth it if ur using her for cope or whatever

dont need to lvl past 35 rn if u short on cubes tho

[rotund roost]

What team? or should I even bother since this is the lowest

[frigid harbor]

this is all who i have rn xd

[lone crater]

u just started? but anyways not sure how much cubes u get early on but id craft a set yea

[frigid harbor]

yea, i have 6 cubes rn

[lone crater]

try helia instead of vita, and 600~700 is prob doable?

[shadow gyro]

can u also try sci dps?

[shadow gyro]

i would say not her sig for now bc u would have low mats for it

#💁gameplay-help message use this

[lone crater]

he could do that but its not exactly expensive to craft

unless no ether fuels

[shadow gyro]

thats too sus since they will be getting mei next patch

||and maybe lv dkey||

[frigid harbor]

||luna dkey can work as mei support?||

[shadow gyro]

yes or the other way around

[lone crater]

getting having the full stigmata set is prob a sizeable upgrade over leveling stigs from 45 to 50

he should have enough to craft those two by the time they come

or gets it

[shadow gyro]

still feels sus esp when teri glut + fhm mb would be good for them

unless theyre strugging in q mani that they need any upgrade rn

[lone crater]

but u need to realise fhm gives very little and teri glut needs u to have some skills

[shadow gyro]

it is still decent enough as an alt
theyll take it off from vbm but theyll give it to someone else since they need more valks

[lone crater]

but i mean sure, he can just do w/e he want atp, still starter

[shadow gyro]

6 cubes will only give them lvl 35 full set rn tho

[lone crater]

full set is pretty good

[shadow gyro]

still low tho but yeah

[lone crater]

lvl 50 fhm and glut t does nothign lol

[wispy aurora]

I've missed out on a few times in Errands which ELFs are best to prioritise?

[shadow gyro]

what do u have

[shadow gyro]

im not comparing buffs rn, im talking about cost

[wispy aurora]

Just Jingwei's at 2 Star and these

[shadow gyro]

would consider kia elf but wait next patch incase u get ore elf frags or go for smth else

also open box first then frag box btw

[lone crater]

and to me 6 cubes for 35 lvl full set is still fine, that stig set can stay 35

[wispy aurora]

Intending to get Sonque AOP

[shadow gyro]

im ok will it but they will be poor on prisms if they use all 6 on cora rn
if teri glut + fhm mb dont hemp them rn in q mani then by all means sure

[shadow gyro]

i see, will still wait bc your overall pulls used will determine what ull get
kia elf is still the only relevent elf in that box
but shell be competing with ur sq aop

[wispy aurora]

I should be good to get AOP and use rest on ELF box

[lone crater]

i mean yea they go broke but 6 prisms really isnt that much no, they probs can recover it pretty easily
still have a couple weeks

[shadow gyro]

can possibily get songque aop + elf frags too so u can have s songque and 4* kia elf

if u get lucky on pulls then it will depend if u want something else or u feel good

[wispy aurora]

I just don't want to miss out on the S+ Errands as I've missed a few due to not having the ELFs or AOPs

[lone crater]

u just need to lvl ur dorm valks

and sp/a ranks

dont need elfs or aopsfor s+

[wispy aurora]

I do believe, if my eyes are not deceiving me that is an ELF icon

[lone crater]

doesnt mean u need an elf to meet the requirement

if u just have higher rank sp/a ranks or dorm valks then they can probs fulfill the requirement without elfs

[wispy aurora]

All I have left in here

WT on the otherhand

[shadow gyro]

u actually need ss (base s rank) valks for s+ dorm tasks

elfs arent enough

ideally u get them after u get the wt valks u need

u can make the process lest costly on aw/al by grapping er shop frags
or any other frags that are good to grab

ranking a ranks unfortunately doesnt do much for s+ dorm tasks either

but theyll help with other tasks

u also have ds to help as sss is free

but the main concern are ranked s ranks

[wispy aurora]

Most WT valks for me right now are S with LE being close to SS

[shadow gyro]

keep working on le if youre not using the currency on another valk as well

[wispy aurora]

Intend to get Aponia and Vill-V when they get added

For ER

[shadow gyro]

||they cost al so it should be fine||

[wispy aurora]

I also still have my Egg and a the Box for any Valk pre 5.4

[shadow gyro]

the egg got a pin
as for a rank box u can get the cheapest valk to sss to have the a rank witch orb shop

[wispy aurora]

I have WO just not PWO

[shadow gyro]

thats fine ull unlock with le

[sweet flax]

iirc that box had an affix device yes?

[wispy aurora]

It does

[sweet flax]

[shadow gyro]

afiix device is worth then

[sweet flax]

was it a 23x2 one or a 20x2 one

[wispy aurora]

23x2

[sweet flax]

hold onto the box

[sweet flax]

all the valks available in it are farmable anyways, no rush to pick any unless you are in desperate need of er crystals

affix mats can prove useful in the future

[wispy aurora]

Thats true

Im still holding on to the D-key boxes cause I'm missing 3 and 2 of them are inside the same box

[sweet flax]

which ones are you missing

[wispy aurora]

Maybe not - Just Brick and XY

[sweet flax]

both hard to get

[wispy aurora]

Still though both in the same box

[sweet flax]

what rank in abyss are you

[wispy aurora]

RL

[sweet flax]

any plans on nirv soon?

[wispy aurora]

I was at one point 😭

[sweet flax]

to be frank with you, dkey atk matters very little outside of nirv

[wispy aurora]

But it was a bad week cause I didnt have IMG

[sweet flax]

and even in nirv, unless you are prepared, 10 atk wont make a difference

[wispy aurora]

Im fine for now sticking in RL but do want to try staying in Nirv for more than a week 😂

[sweet flax]

eventually you'll be able to

gotta get lucky with abyss weathers

[wispy aurora]

I just didnt have Herrecher Trio and it was IMG flower

[shadow gyro]

tbf thats rita boss.

[sweet flax]

trio really isnt prevelant on any bosses rn

[wispy aurora]

This was a while ago

[shadow gyro]

but the first img boss had so many ppl use trio lmao

[wispy aurora]

When I mean a while I mean like 8.5

[sweet flax]

did flower rerun in 8.5? maybe 8.4

[shadow gyro]

img bull was a joke to trio that the next bull was made lighting and more tanky

[lyric anvil]

8.4

[wispy aurora]

Yeah so been a while 😂

[sweet flax]

I think even then it was a hoo boss rather than a trio boss

actually im confusing it for ma flower

ignore me

[wispy aurora]

Bad time for me to promote really as not having a Single IMG character outside the A rank options

[sweet flax]

ngl that's the least of your concern, img/quantum units get shilled out very quickly

[lyric anvil]

8.5's annual IMG boss was Dudu shill

[wispy aurora]

Dont even have dudu

[sweet flax]

dont need her

(from a non-dudu haver who is.... was... consistently myriad)

too slacc

[wispy aurora]

Ooosh fair makes it better for me but now that I got Rita should be better off

[lyric anvil]

I used PS on the majority of RS' shill

[shadow gyro]

its ok to take some ls

oh dear bad network

[lyric anvil]

[sweet flax]

was funnier when we coped with JDS against otto and outscored dudu players because glb skill issue

[wispy aurora]

8.7 Global beta hasn't started yet?

[sweet flax]

I think registration was announced

[shadow gyro]

i found it funny that on kevin most ppl used ps

yeah

[sweet flax]

not sure if it opened or closed yet

[wispy aurora]

Thumbs don't work like they use to for some players 😂

[lyric anvil]

Devs are still on CNY holiday

[wispy aurora]

I know they did registration earlier than normal

[stark spindle]

What does CRT actually... do... is it just crit rate or is it smth else

[thick bolt]

one of the factors contributing to crit rate, it's not 1 to 1 #💁gameplay-help message

its a stat thats just there, there's been some very niche cases where a phys valk preferred crt affixes but for the most part just go attack

[stark spindle]

Oh interesting...

I was curious if affixes were worth it but ig not

[shadow gyro]

crit dmg for physical valks is but it depends

like u would want a certain ratio and theres some valks like PS whos hits dont crit (minus one with 100% crit rate anyways)

atk is a default pick

[thick bolt]

getting decent attack affixes does make life easier but yeah not mandatory below redlotus. And for newish accounts theres dorm levels and divine keys to consider to get perma attack buffs

[stark spindle]

Oh I'm not new but it felt like a new player question. I've got most atk buffs I can from keys

Ty both

[cold wing]

Yo

Ello

I need some pointers on the characters of the event

Like im not sure if my team is even good

Since for part 2 i only like have rita which i kind of understood, im still understanding the vita one bit other than that im a bit clueless

OMG MANGO

[quick birch]

the team itself is decent but iirc you're fighting either a sd/img type enemy in that event

so you'd ideally want your leader to have an advantage against that dmg type

[cold wing]

Goated

Well the first one was sd

And the second one was that domination

Herscher or somthing

Forgot the name of it

So img

[cold wing]

Okay okay so, for the first one i should make my team with either kiana or songque

And for the second dudu or rita

Dam mango multitasking i saw u giving a lesson in the other channel

You should take a break imo

[quick birch]

you don't necessarily have to choose between one of the two
the event stage focuses on buffing LoA so you'd want a LoA DPS with supports that have the heavenly shift support tag
if we take the first stage as an example badum is a SD LoA fire DPS while songque is a heavenly shift support that can trigger the critical value of SD enemies so both would be beneficial

the same kinda applies to dudu and rita just with mechanics that are bound to IMG enemies

[quick birch]

dw ik what i can handle, still thx

[cold wing]

Okay ty, idk much bout the team, so are they all dps or subdps

Like ik pergerine sword is a bleed phisical, but thats it...dudu is a dps im sure bout that, u mentioned that kiana is,rita is one

[quick birch]

well p2 valks are both supports and DPS depending on where they are in the team, supports in LoA teams can contribute a decent amount of dmg with their heavenly shift but this is kinda obsolete for now

[cold wing]

Idk what songque is like u did mention that shes good on sd

[quick birch]

have you been linked the p2 team building guide yet ?

[cold wing]

Nm

Like u mean by the astral thing

Yea i have been told about it

But i ment on like all the characters id have to learn them individually atp

Like for the previous one when I herd that bfd is a dps

It did nothin

So ig her role for the first one was as a support

Since i have watched a vid bout that ik that she has 2 roles one as a dps and one as a buff i think breach

[quick birch]

no not really they all work by the same principle
their astral ring specialisation determines what type of dps their are and their astral ring tags dertermine who they can support
you kinda need to let go of the idea that a character is either a dps or support since all characters that will release are both

let's take badum as an example her, her astral ring specialisation is Law of Ascension
that means she wants characters as supports which have the heavenly shift tag
now when we look at the trial valks we see that everybody here has that tag so we look at what each of those valks would provide to the team
you'd probably want to run badum/songque/ps here since songque can pop critical values on SD enemies and PS has decent buffs for the DPS
what is important to me here is that you grasp the idea of how you can determine who can support who, everything after that which involves the kits of valks is something we can help you with since that requires quite a bit of game knowledge

[cold wing]

Alr ty

[cold wing]

I did try to like circulate between the 3, jovial deception, dabum and PS

But honestly PS didnt do much

Dmg

Maybe I was playing wrong

[spiral badge]

who was the leader at the time?

if it was badum then naturally PS woudln't contribute the majority of damage. The leader is basically always the dps at this point (although in some cases supports can contribute a notable amount too)

[cold wing]

Kiana as always

[spiral badge]

but anyway for any non leader valkyrie, the main thing you want them to do is to activate their supporting effects. For most valks this is what's stated in the initial part of their 3pc stigmata effect

[cold wing]

I just swiched between songque and kiana

Through a game

And got like 10200

Which is more than enough I believe

[spiral badge]

yeah

there are 8 stages in total in the 3 man area and the rewards should be covered in 80k iirc

the reason why primarily swapping between kiana and songque worked was more because support effects last for 25 seconds for most newer valkyries

[cold wing]

Dosnt her support effect

Is like healing, oh the stigma effect

[spiral badge]

so once you start sushang's effect you don't really need to swap back to her until it actually expires

and JDS can actually deal damage esp with her type advantage against the boss despite being a non leader

[cold wing]

Im so excited for the next one

[spiral badge]

there's other reasons you would still want to swap back to sushang though or other actions you may want to do besides activating the 3pc effect

[cold wing]

As Im a rita main

[spiral badge]

but it sounds like you're satisfied enough that maybe we can stop here

!faq loa

[small willow]

Astral Ring Specialization - Law of Ascension

Allow me to explain, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see how the Law of Ascension Specialization works!

The "Law of Ascension" (LoA) Astral Ring Specialization focuses on triggering QTEs. The tag/attribute matching with this ring type is ["Heavenly Shift"](#👶beginner-help message). Specific attacks from the leader can reset swap cooldowns and force trigger QTEs from "Heavenly Shift" supports, and vice versa. This allows the team to rapidly cycle across each other.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

can read this if you actually want to learn more

[cold wing]

I will ty

[spiral badge]

!faq stellar drain

[small willow]

What is "Stellar Drain" ? <:RozaNotLikeThis:859471233711865866>

Don't worry, Captain, I'm here to Help

Stellar Drain is a mechanic where using specific attacks to hit an enemy can restore a large amount of Astral Ring Intensity ([ARI](#👶beginner-help message)).
However, each Character on the team only gets 1 stack of Stellar Drain and can only consume their own stack. This stack is restored across the team when entering battle or exiting Stellar Outburst (SO).
Normally the amount of ARI generated by consuming Stellar Drain is 20 if the Character has the matching attribute for that team. When the Character does not have the matching attribute for that team they usually restore 10 ARI. (for more info on team building, view [!faq ring](#👶beginner-help message)).

• Note that:
• Stellar Drain stacks are NOT visible
• Stellar Drain stacks can NOT exceed 1 per Character
• when attacking an enemy, the game may register your attack as a hit even if you don't see any actual damage numbers; this may be because the enemy is hidden or non-targetable
• the amount of ARI generated can also be affected by weapon passives/Character skills
• Characters may have multiple ways to consume Stellar Drain; for example, FWS can consume Stellar Drain with her CA and her enhanced WA

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[cold wing]

Is it pinned somewhere

[spiral badge]

also this which applies to all astral ring teams

these aren't but you can search for them in the channel

the pins do have a doc for a list of faqs on the bot that you can search off of here but

the stellar drain one is actually new

so it won't be in the doc for now i don't think

but anyway to roughly summarize, while sushang doesn't contribute much damage as support in this case you still want to swap her in for...

• starting her 25s support effect from the 3pc description
• triggering her stellar drain if she hasn't done so yet, only if you need the outburst energy
• for this particular ring type team (Law of Ascension), every 16 seconds (tracks separately across each support) you can QTE to a support to deal big damage (calculates off the leader) and restore 15 outburst energy
  -# - not mentioned yet. Sushang in particular has utility with bleed status and high hitcount. None of it is relevant here but something to keep in mind. Valks aren't always just for damage.

[cold wing]

Oh ty

Mb for late reply

[spiral badge]

all good. Feel free to ask anything else

if anything isn't clear enough, feel free to ask for more elaboration too. I can even send pictures and video examples if i have to

hi3 is full of effects that aren't obvious nor intuitive from simply watching the battle

[cold wing]

Yea that makes sense

[steep drift]

How fast does it take to get 974 gems? I think like a week right?

for context, to guarantee ||new valk and dk on the day of next version|| I need that much after gem calcing how I get the rest through dailies and remaining ER stuff

[ancient needle]

A bit less if you do ER early in the week

Abyss +500+ and ER +500

[steep drift]

I see, ty

[hardy lintel]

guys help, how can i beat the Q-Manifold with my roster?

[ancient needle]

Well, what's the weather, what enemies do you need to fight and is every P2 valk fully geared?

[hardy lintel]

only songque, hi love elf and Rita, also is the quantum boss, the last one, and my sonque stigmas are 45 not 50

[lone crater]

try songque lead with hle rita ig

otherwise hle idk put in badum and just do a combo atk for buff and ignore rest of her kit

cuz u have nothing for badum right

[hardy lintel]

only stigmas

funny how i got rita just foe the first qmanifold to be her counter lol

[kind cliff]

Helloes! I tried HLE Vita Dudu on the Lantern boss and it went pretty well, so I'm gonna lock them there.

Just asking for help against Rhimestar cause last time she appeared in abyss, it was a huge struggle for me. I just go and die against her right? Also just bruteforce sampo

I think i did lantern and lantern + a p1 valk with ignite last time and it felt so crap

Ended up scoring highest with a non fire team

[hardy lintel]

barely manage to do do, just 2 seconds to spare

[frigid harbor]

should i save dorm cards ||for spending event in 8.7 ||or use them now, i am 14 away from s rank

[hardy lintel]

doesnt dorm cards not count? either way save for now, wait to see if they work or no

but im not a expert, jsut someone searching for help here, sooo youd better trust the pros opinion on this not mine ^^"

[fallen merlin]

they "count" but for a separated "dorm task" that is limited (only 20 pulls) so is for those cases is recommended to always have that amount of cards saved

[hardy lintel]

i didnt knew that, lol, i know to save now!

[lyric anvil]

Always save 20 dorm cards

[hardy lintel]

i have 0

[rotund roost]

Does this even give crystals, the flame chaser trials

[kind cliff]

I don't have enough xtals for ||xentinel, should I instead try to go for dlc or not worth?||

[shadow gyro]

do discounted, if you don't get valk from there ||then you can get the dk||

[kind cliff]

If i get valk from discounted, do i go for her gear too
If i have enough for it

[sweet flax]

how many crystals do you have rn

[shadow gyro]

ofc if you go for valk u want her gear
||then if you have spare u can use on dk or save||

[kind cliff]

3k a demon possessed me and it suddenly did 23 pulls in the current banner because that demon thought it would be funny to have the ciunter at 67

[sweet flax]

and im assuming weapon pity is 0?

[kind cliff]

Was totally out of my control, i think my friend did it to me. Yes

But i got both HLE and IMG Rita 4/4 extremely early

[shadow gyro]

you'll most definitely skip valk if you don't lucksack on the discounted then
i hope you have content to finish
technically next patch freebies will help but it will cost you to cope on the shills as theyre running

[kind cliff]

I've got a lot of story content but I'm not sure if they're the best source of crystals

[shadow gyro]

they are

[kind cliff]

Great, time to speed run them ig
Got lots of p2 and like 10 p1 chapters+ p1.5

[shadow gyro]

also er and obv do your best in abyss
and there's stress test if you didn't finish it but it needs you to have coins to use on the valks u need there

[kind cliff]

I'm struggling with bke stress test, but i think i can do a few of em. Got lots of coins and stuff too

[shadow gyro]

can use YouTube guides if not already
can also test her in tactic class if you really need too
and you can ask if youre not sure what gear should she be having

for the most part you would use a state stick that you own on her and level her up, skills as needed
the rest would just be the rot

[frigid osprey]

What exactly is LoA's playstyle? I dont have any and Im just trying to do the event, not that big of a deal but idk what Im doing hahaha

[sweet flax]

mainly revolves around QTEs

depends on the team what a rotation for it would look like

[quick birch]

playing the tutorial of badum/dudu could maybe help you a bit here, the only thing that you'd need to adjust is how to play the trial supports.
At some point you also just spam heavenly shifts ( the QTEs that trigger some special attack ) so it's kinda a bit different from a normal fight

!faq LoA

[small willow]

Astral Ring Specialization - Law of Ascension

Allow me to explain, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see how the Law of Ascension Specialization works!

The "Law of Ascension" (LoA) Astral Ring Specialization focuses on triggering QTEs. The tag/attribute matching with this ring type is ["Heavenly Shift"](#👶beginner-help message). Specific attacks from the leader can reset swap cooldowns and force trigger QTEs from "Heavenly Shift" supports, and vice versa. This allows the team to rapidly cycle across each other.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[quick birch]

maybe this could also help you a bit

[frigid osprey]

I did do that I guess I am just wondering like
After each persons combo I just keep switching and switching to the next?

[quick birch]

most of the time the rotation would be
support 1 apply buffs -> support 2 apply buffs -> do the DPS rotation -> swap to one of the supports so that you can reset the switch CD of your DPS and trigger their qte again -> ( maybe just qte to the other support if heavenly link is available) -> go back to your DPS and repeat

when you do this you kinda have to keep buff times in mind so that they don't run out though a majority of LoA supports apply that with their qte already

just the breach supports vita/fdd apply their buffs with their ult

ah i forgot that when you first apply buffs with your supports you also want to trigger stellar drain most of the time

this is also just really general, rotations would change depending on the boss but it will do for the event

[slim blaze]

I see

[spiral badge]

dm'ing really isn't ideal for many reasons.

• There are alot of resources here that we may point to such as pins, channels, or bot faq messages
• DMs are technically outside of the server so rules and moderation action won't be able to help as much if anything goes wrong (this goes for both parties)
• HI3 is a very dynamic game. Even experts can give advice that isn't suitable and it's better to have multiple people cross checking each other or have multiple answers for a well rounded idea.
• HI3 is also very overwhelming, and it's alot to ask for from one person. Asking here can allow other people to help especially when one is unavailable

anyway welcome. Do you have any specific personal objectives with the game? Otherwise in general we default to meta advice. This is because later in the game, you do compete against other players in a mode called abyss, and this abyss gamemode gives a significant amount of crystals

well ok the person asking deleted their message. Feel free to ask again if/whenever you're ready.

[robust panther]

oop sorry sorry but yeah im just curious on early game and what i should do with premium currency. summons and what not

[spiral badge]

hello again. Generally we recommend new players to save up to roll specifically for new releases at the earlier half of each patch. This is because newer releases generally are most relevant and most long lasting at the time.

but again if you have any particular specific interest like story or certain characters, we can adjust around that. It's not uncommon for new players to have not so meta interests

In the meantime while saving up gacha currency to prep for new gacha releases, we can suggest farmables to use. Don't expect strong results though but it'll get you by as you save up and wait

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

i don't expect you to understand all these specific valks and equipment immediately. So let me know when you're ready/interested for more details

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[robust panther]

ahh oki oki i will note these down

[spiral badge]

i guess i'll bring this up too. The first link are permanently available and for you to do when you find time. The second link are crystals that are more time limited and should be prioritized first if you can. Note the spreadsheet has a tab with images too

alot of these are in the pins too but we know the pins has too much stuff, so don't fret over asking something that's already answered there. We'll just direct you if so

[robust panther]

oki tysm! im excited to try these out

[spiral badge]

Depending on the kind of player you are, not everything there is worth doing. For example, while events give more crystals than others, they can take alot more time than they are worth if you're not interested. Burn out is very real in this game so do be mindful of your interest for the game.

my main general advices are to be conservative (any resource can run out and take time to accumulate), and to take your time exploring the game. If you're aware of any time sensitive goals you have personally then ask and we can prioritize accordingly for you.

but otherwise hi3 is an old game so there's alot of complicated systems in place. Explaining anything can become a rabbit hole and overwhelm if it's not to your interest so I'll stop here for now until you have further questions.

[robust panther]

okiii tysmm!

i think i understand mostly everything and i dont have any goals in mind yet i just wanna learn more about the characters and see if they will have any future designs i will adore

[spiral badge]

Ah in that case, i'll specifically recommend attack > events tab > tactics class for valkyrie tutorials. Even if you don't own a character, you can try out most, including the newer ones there.

otherwise you can focus on story mode. You don't actually need to own anything strong to go through it. Early story can be handled with barebone accessible stuff of your own (e.g. Reverist Calico or Herrscher of the Void as dps), while not too long later you'll be stuck using only trial valks the story gives you for immersion purposes.

[robust panther]

got it oki oki noted i will probably just focus on story than tutorials

[austere phoenix]

Question about LoA... is rotating during AR Charging in LoA more frequent compared to other ARs? Is it because the stellar drain is higher when they do? Also idk but it feels like the cooldown is lower too of when they can do another stellar drain? I feel like LoA AR is the closest when it comes to P1 gameplay. Like how the other ARs always have longer field time compared to LoA.

[shell basin]

Yes. Usually you rotate about twice as often as normal

To one support at a time tho

[quick birch]

compared to other rings it is lower because you normally only do 1 DPS rotation -> swap to a support -> reset the leader switch CD -> qte to the leader and repeat, in other rings you'd often just stay on the DPS until the buffs run out or smth else is needed depending on the boss.
Stellar drain is not modified in any way in LoA you're probably thinking of heavenly link that restores ari when triggered in ARC

!faq LoA

[small willow]

Astral Ring Specialization - Law of Ascension

Allow me to explain, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see how the Law of Ascension Specialization works!

The "Law of Ascension" (LoA) Astral Ring Specialization focuses on triggering QTEs. The tag/attribute matching with this ring type is ["Heavenly Shift"](#👶beginner-help message). Specific attacks from the leader can reset swap cooldowns and force trigger QTEs from "Heavenly Shift" supports, and vice versa. This allows the team to rapidly cycle across each other.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[quick birch]

read this for more about heavenly link

[shell basin]

Tho even that’s just generally speaking, in flux lantern people were staying in on PS to dps because Rita is slow

So it’s not always the best option

Just the default for a lot of cases

[quick birch]

yeah PS can be a very special case because you can be more flexible in her rot than you could on other LoA DPS depending on the situation but generally her gameplay loop is the same

[austere phoenix]

I see. That's what I'm used at, staying at one DPS till the buffs run out because of GoI. And even when I rotate back to supports as early, the stellar drain usually is still in cooldown. Meanwhile, when I play LoA, I noticed the stellar drain cd feels faster

Thank you~

[quick birch]

well the stellar drain CD for both rings are completely the same it's important to differentiate between stellar drain and heavenly link
stellar drain still only resets when you enter the battle/ exit SO

[austere phoenix]

"When not in Stellar Outburst... The swap icon will also have an added circular visual effect around it when it is ready"

Is there an image that shows the difference on this? The only noticeable circular visual effect I know is when Stellar Outburst activated

[austere phoenix]

Oooh

[quick birch]

the top one means heavenly link is ready
the one on the bottoms means that it's still on CD

[austere phoenix]

OOOOOOH THANK YOU.

[frozen crypt]

Am I blind I never noticed this??

[quick birch]

no way LMAO

[shell basin]

What not pulling Badum does to a girl

[frozen crypt]

It's not a badum only thing is it?

Xd

Monitor so wide I can't see the qte icons anymore

Suffering from success

[shell basin]

No but I saw the Badum in the image so I had to take the shot

[frozen crypt]

Xd

[upbeat egret]

I.never noticed it

Maybe phone screen is too small

[quick birch]

how have ya'll never noticed that 😭

[upbeat egret]

I was doing it Freestyle

[quick birch]

smh

[upbeat egret]

You can barely see the difference during the fight

[quick birch]

it's pretty clear actually imo the screenshot is just a bit bad

it's much more abvious when you actually see the animation as if you'd just see one frame

[upbeat egret]

I just tested it again but it's really hard to notice smt imo

Maybe I am just blind

[spiral badge]

i never noticed either until it was pointed out to me. It's discernable for sure but it really blends in when you're not aware of it, and see the regular QTE flashing indications on top of it all

[cyan mortar]

how to remove the black bar on the bottom? (pc)

[spiral badge]

follow these steps

[cyan mortar]

thank you

[dry python]

Wait I've never noticed this

Prof btw

[dry python]

Nvm I feel less bad now

[lyric anvil]

I even know about the white lines

[spiral badge]

in the defense of the more veteran players we had similar indicators for past valks like VD that were more obvious lol

https://youtu.be/7poRogK34Iw?t=146

it also is indicated separately without the QTE too... but i guess that's because the thing it's denoting isn't intrinsically linked to QTEs.

Anyway i digress. Old man talk doesn't belong here lol

[lyric anvil]

Fossil talk