#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion
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I think I should have used “dialectical”, now when I think about it
So
but I digress
Again not really my idea of "maintenance mode"
Let me sound very arrogant then
I linearly extrapolate based on some assumptions, probably better not to share it though
I had to look that word up
but yes that is a great word to use here, i view it the same way. Its not that im dismissive of concerns, its just when i think about it they seem a bit misinformed or unlikely even if its still possible
I mean… it’s normal

just always gotta be aware that one may be looking at a local maximum
and the graph is much-much biggger
if the "Mars and Earth day-to-day" focuses on Earth just like the events I will say it's best to just can it.
Mods sry if I shouldn't upload this 
https://youtu.be/HbJ9yLGiT94
The 8.9 Special Program was recently streamed in the CN server of Honkai Impact 3rd.
With it, infomation on Chapter 13 and the future story direction.
I think considering they specified "main story", that's not really what it'll be (otherwise may as well just say events given we've had that going on for awhile)
But gotta wait for the 10th anni stream
Devs promised a long running story full of new faces and delivered 3 arcs.
I also don't really understand the notion that it'd just become sol stuff when GGZ is well on P3 already and that's not what its become
And well they also have the elephant sized "APHO 3" in the room
I hope it doesnt just focus on earth tbh. and its fine to upload since its officially released content, and heaven knows that i've seen much worse translation jobs spread around 
Dawei told me Difeng would be a new phase just for them to announce final chapter in the 2nd to last special program.
Buddy has been waiting since 2022 for a continuation...

i mean while we're "solving mysteries" I want answers to the chessboard entity 
and the moon runes too while im being greedy lol
Not even that GGZ hasn't shutdown or anything, I just can't imagine them continuing GGZs story in earnest while leaving Hi3 to become St Freya Adventures
but yes I would love more mars culture :3
If anything just transition it back to P1 where it was primarily VN style presentation, or cut the VA
There's a lot of options you can do to "cut down on budget" rather than just becoming a SOL story, especially when there's still more to tell (again, APHO 3 very much has its looming shadow)
P1 had more gameplay going on though from what I remember though 
I prefer P2 having less gameplay segments but that's a different topic
I mean take Arc Nocturne for instance, it actually plays like a stealth game with Spy Agent Rita sections
wait I’m confused
cause you said it had primarily VN style presentation
or you mean just the dialogue parts of it?
Oh I meant the screens where it's like this
ahhhh, now I see
Rather than the 3D stuff they've been doing since APHO 2
3D is more costly and time consuming, especially since they actually put in the effort to make the scenes unique now
do you guys think helia and coralie are still gonna be in the next story
Instead of just spamming recycled animations
I love how the live stream technically spoils p2s ending lol 
I thought you meant the oscillation between gameplay and dialogue-sequences
I'm pretty sure they're team Kiana so
like how they spoiled part 1 ending back in chapter 15 with apho1 
Team Mei: Adam and Carole
Team Bronya: Timido and Lyle
Team Kiana: Helia and Coralie
(I know the Squads have proper names but you get the idea)
Hoyo loves spoiling things in livestreams cough silverwolf
I dont see why not since the after story will focus on unsolved mysteries and the day to day life of earth and mars and helia/coralie are integral to that
if you're referring to the HSR silverwolf i dont play it tbh and im forgetting what they spoiled for hi3's silverwolf if they did lol
Oh for hsr they pretty much spoiled that she was an eminator 
ah i see
Hopeing this means playble versions for the p2 chars 
Fanchuan: "Just as part 2 will be a long-running story, Senadina's story will also gradually unveil it's mysteries as Dreamseeker journeys through numerous bubble universes."
Fanchuan: "In the end, I believe- she will, through discovering the world, discover herself."
🫠
I do wish we got that version of the story, it would have been so rich in world building 

I wonder if they'll go the ggz route and do a new MC
That moment when the story is in it's final chapters and she has yet to return
Oxia Sena?
they did a "new mc" with part 2 but... not really LMAO
Yes. She's who the quote is refering to
I'm assuming Difeng Sena will get nuked but Oxia Sena will carry on as "her"
Along with Leylah getting nuked ofc
maybe she did that but just off-camera
the rediscovering part I mean
I mean, duh.
But the story they had for her of self-discovery through world-discovery was scrapped.
There was a much bigger emphasis in exploring the various Luoxing landscapes in early advertisement.
Leyhlah is just a poor misunderstood char 
remember Sena’s face at the end of first half of 3-EX?
that must have been her reaction to seeing the future Eren Jäger style
Thanks
I wonder if Bronya get herself new team
I mean she only being Acting Squad Leader
I do wonder how the story would've gone had we stayed on the same 6 week 3-4 patch cycle 
I'm sure it would've still ended in 2026, but I think we would've gotten 7(?) arcs rather than 3 (since we'd be at 9.2 right now) 
man… Sena’s face at that moment hits different in retrospect
While Lyle and Timido might actually led by either Seele or dark Seele

Maybe 
Altho I'd like for Timido/Lyle to remain present so I'm not sure
Really I'm more curious about who the other squads are full of
Whether they be new faces (like Adam/Carole/Lyle/Timido) or returnees like Alvitr/Susannah

I've got to head out but remember to not spread speculation as fact and that lore discussions belong in #📚honkai-lore 
12 Astral Ring specializations.
Now the story only has 2 rings.
The 12 sectors no longer different locations on Mars but instead some are just the same location at different points in time.
Only ring we had involvement with was Wheel Of Destiny...
sorry, diverged too much probably 
Well regardless they did keep the whole idea of "two errors in my transcription" from P2 Prologue 
Those being Coralie getting Permeance and Helia getting PAWS
they kept key concepts but stripped the bulk
she never said 2 errors
I think she did?
I think the wording was different
two randos or something like that
-# well… that but more elevated
Luna pls no bonk 
Just reminding in everyone in general before bed and stuff to keep lore brief 
I'm just talking about P2 potential changes in regards to CN news it's okay 
oh! I thought you would swing the bat and tell to go to lore chat
the error in the transcript just lies in the plot we saw in Ch 12.
Fateful day even refers to the day Dreamseeker and Senadina meeting.
2 people getting involved refers to Helia and Coralie falling into the system.
Senadina simply saw the memories of everything in part 2 to justify her knowing what to say to Kiana.
gn8

I can still do that if you prefer 
I'm honestly not expecting a part 3
Are you sure 
Because I more-so interpreted that as, well we know Mars is a recording of proper history (as in these things actually did happen on a real planet unlike Amphoreus), and generally speaking Oxia went the "way it would've" regardless of Entropy/Coralie/Helia being present
But Litost doing what he did in Ruimu and well, dying, along with Coralie gaining Permeance (and Nahralab also fading there), plus Leylah properly losing was a massive change that never happened
Jk but yeah remember everyone to keep this channel focused on the news and lore discussions in lore
And then for her to ask directly about "Coralie and Helia" to Kiana, plus seeing the future and specifically hearing Litost's conversation w/Helia along w/Nahralab's conversation w/Coralie
And well the 11 EX scene linking directly to P2 Prologue
Don't really see how it wouldn't be referring to that 
Oh I guess its also worth mentioning that in Ruimu the Shus never properly form(?), or at least their formation is extremely different to what happened in real history
So 
Transcript of Senadina doesn't have anything to do with Luoxing history.
Transcript is the same deal with Misteln (info trascription).
She said a issue with her own transcription and Ch12 shows us the end of said transcription.
The Transcription is even put seperately from Coralie/Helia falling.
"Because fluctuations, error in transcription and 2 outsiders got involved."
Fateful day refers to the day Dreamseeker meets God Sena.
Which is Feb 1 2024 in present time.

Something else I've seen discussed is that P2 is more or less almost as long as P1?
Rather, P1 as a whole (not counting VNs/manga/etc ofc) is ~90 hours, 1,5 is ~50, and P2 is ~75(?)
Oxia and Ruimu are both 25h I believe, I think Difeng is about the same length
we ignoring luna
Did I break the rules..
Everything together so far totals 55h
~~Mfw shorter than Amphoreus
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Just reminding people of the channel rules which say to send lore when cn lore to #📚honkai-lore #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message

CN
Part 1 Chapter 39: ~77K words
Part 2 Chapter 3: ~69K words
Part 2 Chapter 12: ~40K words

Oh word count

I like to use this site sometimes for that https://bh3helper.xrysnow.xyz/
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I'm actually surprised Ch 12 is not too far off from P2 Ch 3 
Do you know how long all the finale of Salt Snow is Carv
I believe that's the longest chapter(?)
wait I typod.
It's ch 39 not 37
It's 58% word count 

~~I thought it'd be like 30% tbh because of how long chapters were pre-4
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9.0 - Senadina + Dreamseeker (Leylah) AstralOp
9.1 - Kiana
That seems the most likely now
Nice, I'll be able to pick up kiana asc if that's the case 
Believe in the 9.0 Nahra -> 9.1 CoW Sena + P2 Kiana pipeline 
imagine if they made one of the top designs of the game (god leylah) an AOP
Also I want playable leylah with the angst, not DS coded but we'll see 
perhaps the design's nature wouldn't allow for such case though
new kiana? Why
for the 10th anni, and there's an unused outfit
that would mean no Sena for final boss fight
I hope Leylah is not a Astral OP, the design is way too good.

Then again, that's why I don't like Astral Ops. They robbed us of so many good designs.
Well we did use a Psuedo PAWS for Ch 8 but maybe…
Namely the design is Kianas “main one” now given it’s been in events (CGs even), as well as the cover of the latest artbook on top of P2 main story (Ch 5)
But well I’m a bit sad her hands aren’t purple anymore given I thought that was very cool but oh well
it feels more like a skin than a battlesuit, but given what you also said it could be the latter
y'all mean this skin? sorry for the bad crop
yes 
taking another look it looks kinda in line with other apho designs though
yea its giving squad leader kiana
i so thought that was gonna be a hfi skin released with her dk
this outfit does not feel meaningful enough to be a whole 'nother suit
just an outfit change basically
hfi used a different base model entirely so probably that wouldn't work very well
🥀
its like those jp gachas releasing summer/christmas skins of pre-existing chars as new suits
I think it being an artbook/ost cover is important, the other covers we have all show an important part of Kianas growth
Namely they opted to not use Badum for these but instead “P2” Kiana which isn’t even playable, but is the one they use for the main story / etc now
I guess something else worth mentioning is this is also the new cover for Hi3, the previous Hoyoplay cover was Finality I believe
that got updated? I still have the HoFi one for the default background
Yeah if you go to the all games tab, you should see a new one
is it new/recent?
Got changed during 8.8 AFAIK
I see
maybe it didn't quite load for me or there's a hidden default

still the same 
I wish global got that artbook also
The Earth needs to go back to normal first 
Also this (from the stream) wouldn’t be a roundabout way of referring to APHO would it?
Given both are well, “after stories”
no
pretty sure it's completely unrelated

While I finish working on the translation.
Vita asked if she has regrets "over things she was powerless over" not if she has regrets "over things she did".
word meaning nuance.
@muted mauve Where does she say this?
oh nice workaround carv
It is the difference between the words 遗憾 and 后悔.
Both are translated as regret but have different nuances.
lol they "unfix" one of her skill description,
She can't cast 羽落云坠 or 羽落映花 when she has Quantum Mech Energy since her attacks during are replaced with Weapon Combos 
can't load carv's twitter
just carv's
nvm I got it
carv's
ic
I swear I am being trolled.
AT WHAT POINT IN THE 6.4 STREAM DID THEY SHOW PART 1.5
I?ve been scrolling for 30 minutes
FINALLY
Ok just wanted to confirm. Yeah they also used 后日谈 when announcing part 1.5.

So it’s part 2.5 then
Not necessarily.
Could be.
Depends on how hi3 decides to label and implement it.
Fair
It just means epilogue/afterstory
Wouldn’t stop the doomers either way so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
me comparing CN characters line by line 
interesting to think about how framing matters, possibly they could just label it all part 2
That's a lot when ending SO early in Phase 1 fights
Yee
Which one is that ?
I'm capped at 75 without attacking targets and max surplus
wait is it her special recovery ?
I forgot that one 
so p3 is real?
no mnetion of such a thing

Giv
imagine if you kept saving until you can no longer spend them 
With how poorly part 2 valkyries are treated.
I fear what will happen to them after epilogue ends.

Im worry about what happen after p2 end ,people already leave after p1 because they think the story is concluded now with even less player with p2 
P1slop
P1 “episode” in main story with p1 event💀 i cant do this anymore
I'm fine with the story I am most fearful of a combat system change
Nah i dont think they will change the combat
It’s one of few things hoyo think they’re successfully at
I should specify. Astral ring viability
I am sad everyday my Fenghuang of vicissitude fu hua is 🚮
even if part 2 didn't exist, she would be too old at this point
Praying for a stellarkey everyday

what "episode"
Im just guessing the story format after p2, like every chapter is different story kinda or it’s just the same as part 1.5 then idk why they need to say it
if you're talking about what Marisa posted it is mistl of epilogue/afterstory.
So it just epilogue then
Literally me 🤝
helia found dead in a ditch
At least me I am more fearful of what happens when "Story's aftermaths" ends. Usually from reading manga/light novels, it just ends there once there is nothing else to tell. So, I am more worried about the story lol
doubt there will be any combat changes after p2 other than introducing new mechanics to shill. they don't even finish the UI changes
yeah nothing to be worried, the game will still run and released new valks as usual. its probably just the story won't be anything grand after 9.0
and kiana will still sleeping
eep forever
ik it's too soon to tell but
I am kinda sad knowing that in the future, chances are that I will not see Thelema ever again in the story unless I decide to replay P2 story

well in future nothing is left behind 
Idk about that, devs kinda spoiled the ending by themselves XD
I understand a lot of us can't help but worry. Heck, I was worried too yesterday, but I took a minute to clear my thoughts and calm down XD
🍞
I want moar Que and Thelema too
And the other peeps ofc 
I mean just like everything, live moves on, and whatever happens, it is what it is
Honestly it was clear
But I expected something like, "okay this plots are done, let's move on with something else" instead of just, y'know, Mars story is over
And so P2 too
It do be like dat
Whether it'll turn out to be a good thing for the game or not, it depends on the devs
All we can do is wait 
I think it'll be good overall, since they addressed they want to tie up loose ends etc. with the after story stuff. Clean up the board for a lack of a better word, and set up the next stuff to my understanding.
It is a bummer that p2 as we have it rn won't go for longer, but at the same time there were no indicators that it'd be very long and such. 
Best I can hope for rn is that they'll deliver with the finale (which, considering p2 as a whole, I have confidence they will despite the short notice) and that they'll handle what comes after well.

Heck, the after story stuff opens up new possibilities as well. We might get Moonshell content, more background about Mars culture, even about the Shus. Likewise for Earth
More Vitamins and Griseo stuff, old loose ends that never got resolved or addressed properly, and so on.

To be fair, that would be a good opportunity, and if done properly, they could try to use that 'Story Aftermath' as a way tie loose ends, but I am more or less concerned on what to expect long term
If I remember correctly, in the game's timeline, after Mars Story, soon will come to take place APHO 1 & 2 events, although unfortunate because I dont see most P2 Martians Valks getting addressed in the future, only for interactions and to get to know them better
In any case, this should at least restore my hopes to see the almighity new battlesuit of Red Seele 
(hopefully)
Why would she be a boss in the first place ?
i wonder what they will do once they run out of "episodes" since apparently the main story is about end
but i wonder if they are talking about the part 2 main story or the main story as a whole
plus APHO 2 kinda ended on a cliffhanger from what i remember
one thing to clarify, "episodes" is a mistranslation. They said it would be after story/epilogue
ah i see
nice nice now maybe we will get APHO 3 lol
I think it is kinda safe to guess that the after story stuff won't last too long, it is probably a transition phase of sorts
Sorta like how 1.5 was
i wonder if we will get part 3 and if we do would it be about the sky people
I do want to know more about the sky people for sure, their culture seemed interesting 
part 5, sky people cultural exchange arc with sky people exchange students /j 
I UNDERSTOOD
We will have 8.9 8.10 8.11 and more before 9.0


one can always hope 
8.∞
dont give them ideas
only the good ones 

Sugars lore and screentime plz
And Moonshell
and moar Youyun
Inb4 we'll get Sin Mal content 
Kira Shigure and Niggurath screen time pleeeeease
I think we'll get stuff like that tbh
Characters who didn't have much time to themselves in comparison
Not only that but Kira got such a bad treatment in P1.5 comparing to her GGZ self
It's so sad
Kira is more relevant to the plot in GGZ yeah. Iirc at least
I'd like some Sin time tbh
Sin and the twins
Way more revelant in GGZ than in HI3rd
It's not even comparable
It be like dat
Yeee
Maybe we'll get something about Kira's adventures in the SoQ idk
Probably not, but you never know atp
I saw Boba being grey while searching this msg, wth
Thats kinda shocking. I was kinda ready for like 7 years of helia coralie and dreamseeker main story and explorable maps
FR but then players backslash happened
Huh tbh I think the dev team just cut their plan. It was definitely not in their plan to end Part 2 that quickly
Something was way off
I don't think we'll ever know that unless the devs come out and talk about it
The resource and manpower cuts definitely played a part though.
Problem is that they're gonna be like silence radio about it
It be like dat
I think that + the backslash aren't for nothing.
That would also explain why we only got like 6 playable P2 chars and then only P1 or P1.5 cast valk
Damage control just be like that
*trash
Now bring Sparxie here
🥲 Even Acheron or Silver Wolf would be more appropriate
Than Sparxie
GGZ got a mygo collab, give it to HI3 next 
Eyo wtf
Part 2 trailer showed several locations. We visited 4 of those locations and in Chapter ?idk Entropy glanced past the rest along with a brief description of what each sector's story would've been and jumped into the final sector.
The decision seems to have went like this: wrap up the Ruimi arc which was already mostly done by the time the decision was made, and then start making the Final Arc of Part 2.
The timing also aligns with getting even longer update cycles (9 weeks).
I think it's relatively obvious that p2 could last as long as part 1 if it were more popular, the skipped sector descriptions all introduce female characters for example, that's how you know they were drafts for playable characters
We can still go back to those places later on, they aren’t synonymous with the Sena/Leylah storyline
if not for that it would be a weird decision for hoyo to tease skipping them and reduce consumer confidence
But well this whole idea that “Hoyo gave up on P2 and just wants to milk P1” falls apart when you realize they could’ve very easily had 3 EX reveal Mars was a simulation, then had the Sky People invade and destroy said computer, turned the Moon red, and proceeded immediately onto APHO
Instead they let Ruimu go on for a year, and Difeng go on for about the same and regardless of what someone thinks about it, did take the time to properly address most of the questions they setup since P2 Prologue
I’m sure we’ve all seen plenty of live service titles whether they be gacha or something else (mmo/online game/etc) go through a rough phase and either completely scrap their plans, or just outright shut the game down neither of which they did
There's some latency for both the company reaction and the development cycle, it doesn't have to be all or nothing at either. They can still mostly prioritise p1, as by the looks of it we'll have more part 1 battlesuits than p2.
Heck P2s MSQ itself despite the units having largely been P1 since Ruimu, has been nearly devoid of any P1 characters
They could’ve very easily just put Mei/Bronya/etc into the system, let them speedrun Mars and call it a day even
Instead they will full intent made a clause that they couldn’t go into the system and fully focused on P2s cast
In 7 EX/10/11/etc not a singular P1 character appears during those stories
just as a gentle reminder, to everyone. Speculation is fine but do not present it as factual since we do not actually know why things have happened the way they are, even if speculation seems obvious or has a lot of ancilliary evidence for it, just remember to not present it as factual statements 
Oh I’m not stating these as facts, I’m just saying that the arguments people are presenting don’t really have any credence IMO
Version Event Stories might just become the slice of life epilogue episodes. They already kinda remind me of Adventures in SF3.
wasnt specifically at you, just everyone in general since i've been seeing a lot of speculation presented as facts the last day or so
“Hoyo is not your friend, they are a business”
Continues P2 for 2.5 years past people screaming “it failed” with nearly no P1 involvement in said MSQ
Not that I’m saying this statement doesn’t have truth to it, but people are being overtly negative while not looking at the things they did choose to do/commit to
Blame some p1 glazers and stupid dev
Again
Any succsessful business gets eventually crippled by its own hubris.
You just lose sight of the notion of failure, and cracks form beneath a veil of blind optimism.
I should also add that you can look at how the revenue has been, there’re publicly available resources for this
The revenue didn’t magically spike when they started to do P1 battlesuits, nor has it been on an upward trend it’s just been hovering around the same “stable” amount it’s always been at
Of course said resources are not fully accurate as they aren’t from the company (and well don’t include PC which is the biggest source of revenue), but they do show trends
Said trends don’t show the revenue magically going up and up with P1 despite Hoyo continuing to release P1 battlesuits during P2, the revenue was higher during Sena/Thelema/Songque/etc
The revenue data doesn't even spike for anni patches sometimes, and doesn't dip when there are no new things to pull for
So that alone should tell you they aren’t just “farming nostalgia”
Yep, it’s a very “stable” game in that sense
I imagine most of the profit is gained from BP/Monthly pass since well, Hi3 is a pretty F2P friendly game especially with longer patch cycles
All the skins despite how they change VFX/SFX/etc can be obtained for free with the sole exception of Vitas BP skin in the past few years, and with no 50/50 / 75/25 it’s very realistic to get every unit + gear if you play everyday
I think it just means the revenue data is wrong, it predicts from download count I believe, not spending
I don’t think so, if that was the case nobody would trust it for any title, Hi3 isn’t a special exemption in said resources/databases
Of course again, it’s not the full story because PC isn’t counted nor is it from Hoyo themselves, but you can at least see general trends with it
I’m not absolving Hoyo of any criticism I should add, this situation wouldn’t exist if they just talked about it rather than leaving people to speculate
But it’s not as black and white as “P2 didn’t do well therefore shelved” is all
That sounds like you're only looking at the half of the glass, I mean, I don't have the numbers but part 2 has less part 2 battlesuits than p1 I believe, now that it is coming to an end.
It does but P1 also went on for 9 years, 7 if you want to be “literal” but it’s still very much ongoing and we’ve always known these characters will take the spotlight again because of APHO
I mean p1-1.5 suits released in part 2
The game didn’t get renamed to “Hi3 P2”, it isn’t a new exe/client, the icon never turned into Senadina/Entropy, Mars isn’t entirely detached from the overarching plot (as it’s just a terminal on the Moon after all), etc
It’s still the same game with the same story, just a new arc in that story
Heck you could argue Helia and Coralie are P1 characters because they’re first teased during the Kevin fight and show up at the end of 1,5 (would I say this? No, but you can make a case for it)
Yet they were main cast members from the start of P2
for instance, I don't think we got 3 event valks back to back before, sure it's the same game, but that doesn't mean there aren't some apparent "meta" factors
What you've just could prove that Hoyoverse scrapped their plans for P2
At least mostly
It can be very well be a question of business as well as it could be something else
But I think I have my idea on the subject
speculation is fine, but there is no way to "prove" that plans were changed, or if they did what the motivations for them were unless we are told about it so please keep in mind the confidence of statements regarding speculation
thanks 
Well the story structure also did change, before arcs would be 3-4 patches with multiple phases meaning x y z would happen quicker, but even back then we still had event valks (for example Lunar Vow, MG Sirin, Fallen Rosemary, Delta, etc)
Now we’re on an ~7 patch cycle (Ruimu being 7 patches), so for example PAWS couldn’t be 8.1/8.2 because she hadn’t gotten that form yet, same with Dragon Coralie naturally
Whereas that wouldn’t have been the case on the old cycle, because 8.1/2 would’ve had the plot points seen in 8.3/etc (again, the release cycles of the arcs got elongated)
And this wasn’t because “Hi3 is doing bad” or whatever, it’s almost definitely a change on Hoyos side because Amphoreus also took HSR from a 3-4 patch cycle to 8, which they carried onto Planarcadia
Likewise both games would also stop doing A-Ranks / 4*s, they have the same producer and overhead so naturally they’ll align with one another in various ways, look at how HSR has been releasing SPs abundantly for example, something exclusive to Hi3 before now
I'll cut the moderation short. Just shut up and see what devs gonna say in 10th anniv. If none? Then send feedback, as always.
You have to look at these things from a wider lens, the artbook situation is the same
HSR despite being a mega profitable game didn’t get its artbook event on GLB, only CN just like Hi3
Naturally HSR didn’t even sell the artbook globally, you can’t pay for an English release of it
I don't think a statement that starts with "I think" needs moderation, we're just discussing what we think
Which just goes to show this was done because of the whole situation going on globally
speculation and discussion are allowed and fine to have, thank you
Its just really unfortunate it happened during a time when a lot of concern was being had around Hi3, but HSR despite being extremely profitable having went through the same scenario just proves this
the only time i try to step in is if its getting too heated, or specualtion is being presented as factual and can result in misinformation being spread around
I don’t think I said that at all
Exactly! 
I’m sure they have something planned for the 10 year Anni given it’s well, the 10 year Anni
So we just have to wait a bit and see what they have planned
For all we know we’ll finally find out what the whole 9 week cycle was for, or get P2s documentary released full of answers, etc
Can’t really say these things “won’t” happen because said Anni hasn’t happened yet (on the same token you can’t say they will but you get the idea)
I think P2 ending the patch before said anni is pretty important though/a sign that they have something planned, so we’ll see 
The discussions must have gone nowhere to you, if you had to reiterate several times. Does feel the same to me.
discussions that go nowhere are fine to me and I will even encourage that over no discussion at all as long as it follows the server/channel rules thats all and I know people can be forgetful so I dont mind reminding for small things more than once 
Also i'd like to tell that im not being a mod, im just looking for something here unrelated to the P2 Finale, but im done with the topic LITERALLY EVERYWHERE but produce no results.
I'm off.
Ultimately it's a topic that I care about and interested to hear other views. I understand it's not preferable for everyone, I must say I didn't feel any heat, but perhaps I misjudged
I mean… if A was said but B was given then it does necessarily prove that plans were changed if words have any meaning.
Either that or A was a lie. No third possible conclusion. If proof means anything, then it is a proof of either of two things.
A can be said, but it's not set in stone
Mfw the plot of like every Hoyo game
Nah i didnt think anyone in the last few hours has been argumentative or beligerent no 
some people word things pretty confidently but thats also very easy to do in english so i dont really judge that, just remind sometimes 
Even they haven't sold vol 4

Limited stuff 
It's not like the hsr art books are that good anyway 
Yep, they did sell Vol 1/2 globally though so again it's just the whole situation going on globally that's affecting it
I can understand not distributing artbooks for free (given you only lose money doing this), but there's no reason not to sell them
The artbook situation is dubious, but CN supply was also reduced. It's one thing to try explaining each of these cases individually versus finding a common denominator. The former is known as overfitting which could be used to justify anything as you please. That's only my opinion on what's happening of course 
Again, HSR likewise had a CN exclusive event, and did not sell or distribute its artbook globally despite nobody arguing that it's losing money or "failing"
And I will once again add that both HSR and Hi3 are produced and managed by the same people
I mean the CN book count going from 500k to 350k or something 
#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message
Heck you can even see proof of this in how HSR had an artbook event to begin with, whereas Genshin/etc never did AFAIK 

Tbh I just the fan base doesn't start acting like APHO1/2 were good after all this mess 
I think they already have been, some of them at least
Wack
I think the gameplay was very nice, story is ok-ish, I'm not the biggest fan of adam, and weaker premise and cast than p2. But it's what people who stayed for p1 seem to cling to
I've seen a lot of peeps want apho3 after yesterday's news XD
I share the same opinion
Best thing by far was the gameplay and environment
People complained abt the flamchashers, moon arc, elysian everlasting, p.1.5, p2, ahpo ahpo 2 people just complain abt everything
The story was aight I guess
so u want to say that HLE reruns again i got hle for rita and i missed rita bc i wanted to get her bis team
🙏

whats seeles best team
depends on the boss
Seelegood everywhere 
^
does simp still better at ss0 with s0 seele support for qua weather or s0 seele wins?
SS, and probably will be SSS during seele patch
but tbh 2 ring style of teri has problem
The reso progression is too slow
Iirc the 3 last reso equals sum of the first 15 reso
Is the CN side just as doom and gloom as we are or what
Aponia Birthday 2026
who's holding the cake
Probably Eden
Eden has gloves
and long sleeves
griseo didnt have adult hands back then
^
I doubt is Mobius so... maybe random woman then
my guess is elysia but i dont know of a way to tell 
Elysia is behind Aponia
^
oh yeah i just noticed that 
I just searched the same LMAO
Kalpas doesnt
(wait nvm they do on their left hand)
Even Mei wears gloves
could be anyone really
could be you
why would you guess MEI when she started the Kaslana cooking gene
I mean its possible she didnt create the cake but is just delivering it lol
i asked who's holding not who baked
we all know Kalpas made that cake
I have faith with Kallen
TruE
Eden only has gloves on her right hand
sleeves still
They are higher up the arm than this
im not saying otherwise

im blind nvm
There is no way
p2 ended?
i had to skip story for some crystals all i know is we beat nahla and layla is idk crying over sena
not ended, in 2 more chapters it's main story will end though yes
After that we move onto, an epilogue? Part 2.5?
ye
Idk they used the same word to describe part 1.5 as they did with the new upcoming stuff yeah?
probably one more arc (1 year) and then whatever else they have planned
probably just moving to the anti-honkai squads since they brought them up in recent content...
Meaning back to Earth.
I'm pissed off at this company who says a and practices b
what s this thing about a documentary i keep hearing about?
there was something like a part 2 development documentary that was supposed to air at the p2 launch


I wish luna was theresa
she literally is
She is
No like. The same exact person. No alternate dimension stuff
"Let's make a P2.5 and then have plot holes again"
Probably Hoyoverse's motto
I just hope they don’t close global server and even if we get delayed story it’s sort of fine?
I trust them to be able to cook well, and maybe this is a opportunity to patch some holes/inconsistencies
Tho sad about all the cut content as I was looking forward it
Imo it’s better if they take some time to make a better product than something that is eh
Tho yeah they need to stop saying A and doing B
TL should be a small fraction of the cost, so I think global is fine as long as CN is
ggz costs much lower, so TL is a higher fraction of its revenue cost
i think any law they would make would only apply to new games
Btw just to clarify I know hi3 is not at risk of eos, cn devs would rather burn in hell than to unplug what they consider their child
Nah they even protecting the og Minecraft background music because of how popular it is
and that was relatively recent thing
So there’s a possibility, an abysmally small one but still
Hi Luna
ggz global server ended due to licensing issues. Cost had a large part of it but the long story short is that the company that TL'd and published the global version decided to end due to not getting enough money they said but it was the licensing companies decision, not mihoyo's
not sure if eu law would apply to an older chinese game, but people would find a way regardless I think, and hoyo wouldn't delete it either possibly
Wait it ended for licensing?
new laws do affect the game, a recent example is requiring to register your age for your hoyoverse account. Those that missed the deadline had to contact customer service about their accounts
yes, if you've heard of mirage cabin, that was the company that contracted with mihoyo to publish hg2 overseas
Also the stop killing games thing if it passes would apply also
So it’s a race on if SKG will pass before global eos/j
Oh so that’s where I heard it from
wait I just realized am supposed to be studying, pause ended, byeeee
interesting that it was because of licensing. I wonder why doesnt mohoyo just publish it globally themselves? Do they hire other companies for hi3 and genshin global versions as well?
yeah, but that has an immediate consequence for the game if they don't comply, if the game has already ended service or something, that would require a company-focus enforced policy, which may be a bit more complicated and intrusive
probably some legal reason that isnt made publicly available, I was there during the end of the server and the in game mail and last minute rewards and so on made it abundantly clear that mihoyo was sad to see it go.
for their other games, they already do that with hoyoverse. in CN the company is still mihoyo but their offshoot hoyoverse is the legal entity that handles global publishing
well yeah different laws would have different results, i was just pointing out that it is a thing that they have to comply with
okay that is somewhat reassuring
You can’t imagine how much hope this message gives me
@young yew 
Pinging vojta as he was sad too
hopefully this makes it better
Ok now am really going, bye
if my memory is remembering the timeline accuractly, they let us all know 6 months in advance and turned off topup's shortly after that but i think they just basically doubled rewards for everything in game so it made it easier to level rush to the current end of the story
also wait this is #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion and here i am yapping about off topic
I will self yeet and go eat
Tbh I also wouldn't be surprised if hoyo just wants to avoid publishing GGZ globally when it's very much still on the heavy fanservice end of the spectrum
thats not a reason, they have non CN servers that are still fine its just the GLB one that ended
for example the JP server is still getting updates at the same pace the CN server is
for the better or worse, global seems more sensitive to it, but anyway off topic 
wait weren t there suposed to be many many many more rings?
the story introduced 12
Hopefully we'll get some lore about them in the after story episodes

We got 5
World star, wheel of destiny, rite of oblivion, law of ascension, grail of infinitude
With loa being the most forgotten as it only has 3 characters
wheelchair of destiny basically just as forgotten ngl
sure technically it got 5
but nobody cares
unlike roo with 4 but they never gonna let u forget it
Always forget rita
Roo is literally 0 blood type
Give to everyone
Only takes from itself
it's 0 blood type in my heart 
Fun biology fact
Make your right hand into a fist, not a tight fist
That s the shape and size of your heart

Lovely
my heart kinda huge
damn my heart is kinda hand shaped then
@pastel marlin #invite-links-here


Aponia
🛐 thats mother
if i start saving starting tomorrow and i use the power of monthlies can i afford serapeum? dkey box might be more important but i supose 10 attack can wait
33k crystals for serapeum
tho if you specifically want her there's probably going to be some bchip bundles next patch with the event currency
so probably doable that way
Not planning to spend more than the monthly i already have
!faq calc
Hi, Captain! 
Ai-chan recommends this calculator: https://honkaihub.com/calculator
maybe use this calculator to get an estimate 33k is quite a lot though
i always forget about the calculator
Start of patch and 6 weeks spending event
So it will be close like the songque operator
Assuming i retain red lotus that is
Nice birthday gift
dominance weather? wait this is CN
Mei can certainly cope on this boss I hope
is she not bis
No weather boost
so?
there's bio mobs at the start and she has strong ele resist
that's mei shill
plus she has a shield
and mei is shieldbreak
who else would it possibly be shilling, dreamweaver in big 2026?

I mean if you dont got mei youd prolly have to cope with horb or rs or thelema but like all of those are gonna be painful af
compared to mei
Mei>>>
Why is it still dominance weather 
dat says summon not tc
regardless is just mei tho
to filter out dummies
main stage = boss stage no but ic

surely this means we use Horb for Mei for the first time
the buff only for the one who owns summon
Oh right lmao
Dudu summon a skateboard 
Disturbance inflation real

Omg finally
I wish we could use Horbs other form more but she is in no grail teams 

"Summon weather"

the pt 2 news coming just as I was starting to pray for that playstation port that was being rumored a few years ago to materialize........ 

the pt 2 maps seem fun as hell to explore my phone is just shitty
ps port? 

back when hi3 was peaking in popularity so like. late 2021 to mid 2022 the streets were whispering about hi3 console port
it didnt die
maybe have to level weapon and stig 
also mfw how to play fuhua 
oldschool gaming 
I never knew SA skin got other color for the ground aoe 
omg they are so much more fun to play
I think it's been 6 years since I last played SP 
I just noticed this is cn sorry 
Aponia Dominance is a grandma now
It's about time she retires
omg nyx in 2026
ult charge na charge ult
HoS stress test is hell on earth
its been 4 years i havent gotten any progress on that one stage
No it isnt
Thats HB
HB sucks
Stress test wise
It sucks
Assuming no turg
The upgrade with turg is insane
i have turg
I didnt :(
The bye bye Senadina MA boss
Sparkle shill 
I'm probably not gonna be using WoP on Gaymax
Sparklegood moment 
Qua pig is Seele shill
Oh
Gaymax has no RES or buffs on MA ?
Well my only QUA option would be WoP so
Plus HLE and Badum can probably handle it fine
Well I'm in the same case as you, hence why I'm asking
I might attempt to get S2 if it's still the same kit
I mean basically everything gets buffed with her s2, breach, HP loss, DMG dealt against qua enemies, collapsed state extension
True
Max QUA DPS I mean
surely we'll all get SS WoP in a 10x
You should pray
At this point, I might be safe for lucksack again
what is this game gonna do if it ends
It more than likely won't since it's hi3 
if the game ends it ends it doesn't do anything
that's like asking what does the earth do if it blows up
nothing... because it blew up
I mean like when part 2 ends
The devs said that the main story would continue in the form of an after story/epilogue and would explore unsolved mysteries and the day to day life of earth and mars
but i wanna know what happens after
Well we would be dead so...
Up to your imagination
A bit off topic, but one possible explanation for the belt between Jupiter and Mars is, that there used to be a planet Phaeton which blew up. So maybe something similar would happen with the Earth then too
-# P.S.: I meant that as a possible answer to the question of what would happen with the Earth after it blows up, should it happen for some reason — form a belt of cosmic pebbles 
do we know what happens after doctor seele, or too early?
not sure what you mean by happens after, if you are talking about the valk release after them then no we do not know. 8.9 (seele's patch) isnt even out yet so yeah just a little bit early xD
ye thats what I meant. I have a bad habit of being vague
its okie 
If the moon is intact, I guess it'd clear out some of the debris, the rest will be around for a while, don't know if it'd be stable
They really went and axed Part 2, uh? Hope it lends to EoS so I can finally be free. 
maybe ending your commitment instead is what is necessary if you feel that way
I was going to say if your wish is for the game to end for the millions that still really enjoy it then for your mental health it might be worth considering taking a break.
But they have already announced what the next thing is so the game isnt ending after the end of part 2's main story
you're free though
No, I have attachment issues with the game.
millions 
yes millions, thats not an unreasonable estimate if you add up all 7 servers they have
I wouldn't be doomposting if it wasn't for the fact that they are just gonna make epilogues/gaidens now.
might be a million and some. but i'd say thats a fairly reasonable guess of reocurring players
if the average revenue per player is <3$ or something 
this is so real
That's actually very unreasonable, the game doesn't have a million players, regardless of how many servers the game have.
well more than the average dont pay at all
A 6 digit number maybe, but it's not a million.
you're greatly underestimating how large the CN and JP servers are 
yeah, didn't mean to imply it was unreasonable
Fair enough but still.
Well, I wonder what they will do with the game mechanic-wise now.
2nd abyss
is this when we summon Chibi?
honkai chao garden
~~ I dont want to pain their soul
~~
I don't think much will change, I hope they don't have more no new valk patches though
one once in a while doesn't hurt
I dunno, I think new valk + divine key in the same patch is rough.
I mean they used the same descriptor for part 1.5
as a big gameplay casual it helps my wallet
I was half joking, don't take it too serious.
I'm mostly making fun of how P2 wasn't well received.
Though I don't even know what happened since I started skipping by the end of P1.
time to put you in a catapult, rl nirv bounce you go /j
I get what you mean, I didn't expect to kinda gang up

You should read P2, it's honestly really good
tbh I'm of the opinion it's better than most of P1 but that's not exactly a popular one 
I don't have the patience anymore, I just like to collect the waifus.

People giga doomed Oxia and while it’s not the greatest arc ever, it’s much better than a lot of P1s not so great arcs
Ruimu is amongst my favorite arcs in the whole game
Can’t really speak on Difeng since it’s not done yet but it’s looking to be in the same boat as Ruimu, I’m enjoying it a lot
If P2 had animated shorts but kept the exact same story, there would be a very different opinion on it
And well I like these arcs as much as I do without manga/vns, 6+ years of buildup, vocals, and shorts so
Says a lot 
the folding hands emoji is nice

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I mean reso team



