#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

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nimble dirge
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They also could've just said "P2s story is the end, after that there'll be no more updates" but they made a point to say the main story will continue past that

magic gust
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I think I should have used “dialectical”, now when I think about it

nimble dirge
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So

magic gust
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but I digress

nimble dirge
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Again not really my idea of "maintenance mode"

potent forum
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Let me sound very arrogant then TeriDerpMelon I linearly extrapolate based on some assumptions, probably better not to share it though

untold marsh
magic gust
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just always gotta be aware that one may be looking at a local maximum
and the graph is much-much biggger

muted mauve
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if the "Mars and Earth day-to-day" focuses on Earth just like the events I will say it's best to just can it.

nimble dirge
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I think considering they specified "main story", that's not really what it'll be (otherwise may as well just say events given we've had that going on for awhile)

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But gotta wait for the 10th anni stream

muted mauve
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Devs promised a long running story full of new faces and delivered 3 arcs.

nimble dirge
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I also don't really understand the notion that it'd just become sol stuff when GGZ is well on P3 already and that's not what its become

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And well they also have the elephant sized "APHO 3" in the room

untold marsh
muted mauve
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Dawei told me Difeng would be a new phase just for them to announce final chapter in the 2nd to last special program.

nimble dirge
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Buddy has been waiting since 2022 for a continuation...

untold marsh
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i mean while we're "solving mysteries" I want answers to the chessboard entity HoVREEE

and the moon runes too while im being greedy lol

nimble dirge
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Not even that GGZ hasn't shutdown or anything, I just can't imagine them continuing GGZs story in earnest while leaving Hi3 to become St Freya Adventures

untold marsh
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but yes I would love more mars culture :3

nimble dirge
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If anything just transition it back to P1 where it was primarily VN style presentation, or cut the VA

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There's a lot of options you can do to "cut down on budget" rather than just becoming a SOL story, especially when there's still more to tell (again, APHO 3 very much has its looming shadow)

magic gust
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P1 had more gameplay going on though from what I remember though HigoThink

nimble dirge
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I prefer P2 having less gameplay segments but that's a different topic

magic gust
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I mean take Arc Nocturne for instance, it actually plays like a stealth game with Spy Agent Rita sections

nimble dirge
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I loved 7 EX just being pure story

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That was my kino

magic gust
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or you mean just the dialogue parts of it?

nimble dirge
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Oh I meant the screens where it's like this

magic gust
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ahhhh, now I see

nimble dirge
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Rather than the 3D stuff they've been doing since APHO 2

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3D is more costly and time consuming, especially since they actually put in the effort to make the scenes unique now

noble cobalt
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do you guys think helia and coralie are still gonna be in the next story

nimble dirge
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Instead of just spamming recycled animations

limpid glacier
magic gust
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I thought you meant the oscillation between gameplay and dialogue-sequences

nimble dirge
untold marsh
nimble dirge
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Team Mei: Adam and Carole
Team Bronya: Timido and Lyle
Team Kiana: Helia and Coralie

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(I know the Squads have proper names but you get the idea)

limpid glacier
untold marsh
untold marsh
limpid glacier
limpid glacier
muted mauve
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Fanchuan: "Just as part 2 will be a long-running story, Senadina's story will also gradually unveil it's mysteries as Dreamseeker journeys through numerous bubble universes."
Fanchuan: "In the end, I believe- she will, through discovering the world, discover herself."

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🫠

untold marsh
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I do wish we got that version of the story, it would have been so rich in world building LanternHeavyThoughts

nimble dirge
noble cobalt
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I wonder if they'll go the ggz route and do a new MC

muted mauve
nimble dirge
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Oxia Sena?

noble cobalt
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they did a "new mc" with part 2 but... not really LMAO

muted mauve
nimble dirge
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I'm assuming Difeng Sena will get nuked but Oxia Sena will carry on as "her"

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Along with Leylah getting nuked ofc

potent forum
muted mauve
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I mean, duh.
But the story they had for her of self-discovery through world-discovery was scrapped.

There was a much bigger emphasis in exploring the various Luoxing landscapes in early advertisement.

limpid glacier
magic gust
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remember Sena’s face at the end of first half of 3-EX? LanternHeavyThoughts that must have been her reaction to seeing the future Eren Jäger style

ivory trout
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I mean she only being Acting Squad Leader

nimble dirge
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I do wonder how the story would've gone had we stayed on the same 6 week 3-4 patch cycle HaluThink

I'm sure it would've still ended in 2026, but I think we would've gotten 7(?) arcs rather than 3 (since we'd be at 9.2 right now) LanternHeavyThoughts

magic gust
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man… Sena’s face at that moment hits different in retrospect

ivory trout
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While Lyle and Timido might actually led by either Seele or dark Seele

magic gust
nimble dirge
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Altho I'd like for Timido/Lyle to remain present so I'm not sure

Really I'm more curious about who the other squads are full of

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Whether they be new faces (like Adam/Carole/Lyle/Timido) or returnees like Alvitr/Susannah

magic gust
nimble dirge
untold marsh
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I've got to head out but remember to not spread speculation as fact and that lore discussions belong in #📚honkai-lore SakuraLuv

muted mauve
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12 Astral Ring specializations.
Now the story only has 2 rings.

The 12 sectors no longer different locations on Mars but instead some are just the same location at different points in time.

Only ring we had involvement with was Wheel Of Destiny...

magic gust
nimble dirge
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Those being Coralie getting Permeance and Helia getting PAWS

muted mauve
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they kept key concepts but stripped the bulk

nimble dirge
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I think she did?

magic gust
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I think the wording was different

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two randos or something like that

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-# well… that but more elevated

nimble dirge
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Oh she just says two passerby were involved

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Which would be

magic gust
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Luna pls no bonk CoralieSob

untold marsh
nimble dirge
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I'm just talking about P2 potential changes in regards to CN news it's okay EmotiAngel

magic gust
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oh! I thought you would swing the bat and tell to go to lore chat

muted mauve
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the error in the transcript just lies in the plot we saw in Ch 12.
Fateful day even refers to the day Dreamseeker and Senadina meeting.

2 people getting involved refers to Helia and Coralie falling into the system.

Senadina simply saw the memories of everything in part 2 to justify her knowing what to say to Kiana.

untold marsh
muted mauve
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I'm honestly not expecting a part 3

nimble dirge
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Are you sure HaluThink

Because I more-so interpreted that as, well we know Mars is a recording of proper history (as in these things actually did happen on a real planet unlike Amphoreus), and generally speaking Oxia went the "way it would've" regardless of Entropy/Coralie/Helia being present

But Litost doing what he did in Ruimu and well, dying, along with Coralie gaining Permeance (and Nahralab also fading there), plus Leylah properly losing was a massive change that never happened

untold marsh
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Jk but yeah remember everyone to keep this channel focused on the news and lore discussions in lore

nimble dirge
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And then for her to ask directly about "Coralie and Helia" to Kiana, plus seeing the future and specifically hearing Litost's conversation w/Helia along w/Nahralab's conversation w/Coralie

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And well the 11 EX scene linking directly to P2 Prologue

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Don't really see how it wouldn't be referring to that HaluThink

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Oh I guess its also worth mentioning that in Ruimu the Shus never properly form(?), or at least their formation is extremely different to what happened in real history

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So HaluThink

muted mauve
# nimble dirge Are you sure <:HaluThink:1044127335680573440> Because I more-so interpreted th...

Transcript of Senadina doesn't have anything to do with Luoxing history.
Transcript is the same deal with Misteln (info trascription).

She said a issue with her own transcription and Ch12 shows us the end of said transcription.

The Transcription is even put seperately from Coralie/Helia falling.
"Because fluctuations, error in transcription and 2 outsiders got involved."

Fateful day refers to the day Dreamseeker meets God Sena.
Which is Feb 1 2024 in present time.

nimble dirge
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Something else I've seen discussed is that P2 is more or less almost as long as P1?

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Rather, P1 as a whole (not counting VNs/manga/etc ofc) is ~90 hours, 1,5 is ~50, and P2 is ~75(?)

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Oxia and Ruimu are both 25h I believe, I think Difeng is about the same length

potent forum
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we ignoring luna

nimble dirge
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Did I break the rules..

muted mauve
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Everything together so far totals 55h

nimble dirge
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~~Mfw shorter than Amphoreus KianaRip_nopies ~~

untold marsh
nimble dirge
muted mauve
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CN
Part 1 Chapter 39: ~77K words
Part 2 Chapter 3: ~69K words
Part 2 Chapter 12: ~40K words

nimble dirge
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Oh word count EmotiAngel EmotiAngel

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I like to use this site sometimes for that https://bh3helper.xrysnow.xyz/

muted mauve
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it's where I took the data

nimble dirge
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Very based website

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I'm actually surprised Ch 12 is not too far off from P2 Ch 3 HaluThink

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Do you know how long all the finale of Salt Snow is Carv

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I believe that's the longest chapter(?)

muted mauve
nimble dirge
nimble dirge
muted mauve
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9.0 - Senadina + Dreamseeker (Leylah) AstralOp
9.1 - Kiana

That seems the most likely now

gleaming imp
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Nice, I'll be able to pick up kiana asc if that's the case LanternHeavyThoughts

nimble dirge
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Believe in the 9.0 Nahra -> 9.1 CoW Sena + P2 Kiana pipeline EmotiAngel

potent forum
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imagine if they made one of the top designs of the game (god leylah) an AOP

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Also I want playable leylah with the angst, not DS coded but we'll see TeriRip
perhaps the design's nature wouldn't allow for such case though

molten coyote
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new kiana? Why

potent forum
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for the 10th anni, and there's an unused outfit

muted mauve
fair knot
somber egret
fair knot
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Then again, that's why I don't like Astral Ops. They robbed us of so many good designs.

nimble dirge
nimble dirge
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But well I’m a bit sad her hands aren’t purple anymore given I thought that was very cool but oh well

potent forum
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it feels more like a skin than a battlesuit, but given what you also said it could be the latter

molten coyote
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y'all mean this skin? sorry for the bad crop

potent forum
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yes SenadinaStare
taking another look it looks kinda in line with other apho designs though

molten coyote
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yea its giving squad leader kiana

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i so thought that was gonna be a hfi skin released with her dk

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this outfit does not feel meaningful enough to be a whole 'nother suit

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just an outfit change basically

potent forum
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hfi used a different base model entirely so probably that wouldn't work very well

molten coyote
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🥀

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its like those jp gachas releasing summer/christmas skins of pre-existing chars as new suits

nimble dirge
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I think it being an artbook/ost cover is important, the other covers we have all show an important part of Kianas growth

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Namely they opted to not use Badum for these but instead “P2” Kiana which isn’t even playable, but is the one they use for the main story / etc now

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I guess something else worth mentioning is this is also the new cover for Hi3, the previous Hoyoplay cover was Finality I believe

potent forum
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that got updated? I still have the HoFi one for the default background

nimble dirge
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Yeah if you go to the all games tab, you should see a new one

potent forum
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is it new/recent?

nimble dirge
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Before

nimble dirge
potent forum
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I see SeeleUwU maybe it didn't quite load for me or there's a hidden default

nimble dirge
somber egret
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still the same SenadinaStare

potent forum
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I wish global got that artbook also

nimble dirge
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The Earth needs to go back to normal first LanternHeavyThoughts

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Also this (from the stream) wouldn’t be a roundabout way of referring to APHO would it?

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Given both are well, “after stories”

glass nacelle
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@muted mauve Where does she say this?

naive briar
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oh nice workaround carv

muted mauve
somber egret
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lol they "unfix" one of her skill description,
She can't cast 羽落云坠 or 羽落映花 when she has Quantum Mech Energy since her attacks during are replaced with Weapon Combos KianaBeg

naive briar
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can't load carv's twitter KianaBeg just carv's

muted mauve
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SenadinaStare carv's nvm I got it

muted mauve
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I swear I am being trolled.
AT WHAT POINT IN THE 6.4 STREAM DID THEY SHOW PART 1.5

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I?ve been scrolling for 30 minutes

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FINALLY

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Ok just wanted to confirm. Yeah they also used 后日谈 when announcing part 1.5.

cyan badger
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So it’s part 2.5 then

muted mauve
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Not necessarily.
Could be.
Depends on how hi3 decides to label and implement it.

cyan badger
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Fair

muted mauve
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It just means epilogue/afterstory

cyan badger
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Wouldn’t stop the doomers either way so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

potent forum
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me comparing CN characters line by line TeriDerpMelon

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interesting to think about how framing matters, possibly they could just label it all part 2

somber egret
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That's a lot when ending SO early in Phase 1 fights

desert lily
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Yee

glass nacelle
somber egret
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Which one is that ?
I'm capped at 75 without attacking targets and max surplus

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wait is it her special recovery ?

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I forgot that one SenadinaStare

somber egret
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LOL

short knoll
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so p3 is real?

muted mauve
short knoll
somber egret
glass nacelle
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Giv

potent forum
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imagine if you kept saving until you can no longer spend them LanternLollipop

muted mauve
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With how poorly part 2 valkyries are treated.
I fear what will happen to them after epilogue ends.

frozen cobalt
supple furnace
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Im worry about what happen after p2 end ,people already leave after p1 because they think the story is concluded now with even less player with p2 SongqueOuch

glass nacelle
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P1slop

supple furnace
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P1 “episode” in main story with p1 event💀 i cant do this anymore

short notch
supple furnace
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Nah i dont think they will change the combat

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It’s one of few things hoyo think they’re successfully at

short notch
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I am sad everyday my Fenghuang of vicissitude fu hua is 🚮

atomic coral
short notch
supple furnace
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Im just guessing the story format after p2, like every chapter is different story kinda or it’s just the same as part 1.5 then idk why they need to say it

muted mauve
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if you're talking about what Marisa posted it is mistl of epilogue/afterstory.

supple furnace
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So it just epilogue then

rain isle
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Literally me 🤝

rain isle
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Gotta wait for dat

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Let's focus on the final p2 chapters for now KianaSparkle

solid garden
rain isle
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I don't see the need to be worried about that rn.

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Too soon to tell

feral epoch
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doubt there will be any combat changes after p2 other than introducing new mechanics to shill. they don't even finish the UI changes

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yeah nothing to be worried, the game will still run and released new valks as usual. its probably just the story won't be anything grand after 9.0

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and kiana will still sleeping

copper shale
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eep forever

solid garden
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I am kinda sad knowing that in the future, chances are that I will not see Thelema ever again in the story unless I decide to replay P2 story

copper shale
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well in future nothing is left behind LiliSleep

rain isle
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I understand a lot of us can't help but worry. Heck, I was worried too yesterday, but I took a minute to clear my thoughts and calm down XD

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VodkaHug SeelePat 🍞

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I want moar Que and Thelema too

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And the other peeps ofc SakuraLuv

solid garden
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I mean just like everything, live moves on, and whatever happens, it is what it is

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Honestly it was clear

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But I expected something like, "okay this plots are done, let's move on with something else" instead of just, y'know, Mars story is over

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And so P2 too

rain isle
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It do be like dat

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Whether it'll turn out to be a good thing for the game or not, it depends on the devs

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All we can do is wait YouyunShinyPeek

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I think it'll be good overall, since they addressed they want to tie up loose ends etc. with the after story stuff. Clean up the board for a lack of a better word, and set up the next stuff to my understanding.

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It is a bummer that p2 as we have it rn won't go for longer, but at the same time there were no indicators that it'd be very long and such. SeelePat

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Best I can hope for rn is that they'll deliver with the finale (which, considering p2 as a whole, I have confidence they will despite the short notice) and that they'll handle what comes after well.

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Heck, the after story stuff opens up new possibilities as well. We might get Moonshell content, more background about Mars culture, even about the Shus. Likewise for Earth

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More Vitamins and Griseo stuff, old loose ends that never got resolved or addressed properly, and so on.

solid garden
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I have a feeling in my last braincell, I feel as if I am coping

solid garden
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If I remember correctly, in the game's timeline, after Mars Story, soon will come to take place APHO 1 & 2 events, although unfortunate because I dont see most P2 Martians Valks getting addressed in the future, only for interactions and to get to know them better

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In any case, this should at least restore my hopes to see the almighity new battlesuit of Red Seele AichanCrystals

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(hopefully)

ember locust
ripe urchin
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i wonder what they will do once they run out of "episodes" since apparently the main story is about end

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but i wonder if they are talking about the part 2 main story or the main story as a wholeKianaThonk

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plus APHO 2 kinda ended on a cliffhanger from what i remember

untold marsh
ripe urchin
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ah i see

rain isle
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P2 story will end

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Then what Luna said

ripe urchin
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nice nice now maybe we will get APHO 3 lol

rain isle
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I think it is kinda safe to guess that the after story stuff won't last too long, it is probably a transition phase of sorts

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Sorta like how 1.5 was

ripe urchin
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i wonder if we will get part 3 and if we do would it be about the sky peopleKianaThonk

untold marsh
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I do want to know more about the sky people for sure, their culture seemed interesting LanternHeavyThoughts

prisma tartan
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part 5

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somehow himeko return

untold marsh
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part 5, sky people cultural exchange arc with sky people exchange students /j TeriStonks

prisma tartan
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u know that cute

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we gonna have scholl festival together

noble drum
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I UNDERSTOOD
We will have 8.9 8.10 8.11 and more before 9.0 BronyaCopium BronyaCopium BronyaCopium

untold marsh
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HimekoLMAO
one can always hope TeriStonks

untold marsh
rain isle
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Sugars lore and screentime plz

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And Moonshell

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YouyunShinyPeek and moar Youyun

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Inb4 we'll get Sin Mal content SakuraWTF

ember locust
rain isle
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I think we'll get stuff like that tbh

rain isle
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Characters who didn't have much time to themselves in comparison

ember locust
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It's so sad

rain isle
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Kira is more relevant to the plot in GGZ yeah. Iirc at least

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I'd like some Sin time tbh

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Sin and the twins

ember locust
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It's not even comparable

rain isle
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It be like dat

ember locust
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@rain isle Quite literally

rain isle
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Yeee

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Maybe we'll get something about Kira's adventures in the SoQ idk

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Probably not, but you never know atp

ember locust
finite saffron
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Thats kinda shocking. I was kinda ready for like 7 years of helia coralie and dreamseeker main story and explorable maps

rain isle
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That's just expectations people built by themselves

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Nothing pointed towards that XD

ember locust
rain isle
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I will say though, that perhaps the devs made it seem as such, but idr and I doubt it

ember locust
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Something was way off

rain isle
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I don't think we'll ever know that unless the devs come out and talk about it

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The resource and manpower cuts definitely played a part though.

ember locust
rain isle
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It be like dat

ember locust
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Damage control just be like that

somber egret
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surely another Honkai x Honkai Collab is gonna be peak

glass nacelle
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*trash

somber egret
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Now bring Sparxie here

ember locust
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Than Sparxie

glass nacelle
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Sleep

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Need another ip collab instead of hoyo

still vine
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GGZ got a mygo collab, give it to HI3 next tomoriAppear

gusty thistle
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Eyo wtf

main zenith
# rain isle I don't think we'll ever know that unless the devs come out and talk about it

Part 2 trailer showed several locations. We visited 4 of those locations and in Chapter ?idk Entropy glanced past the rest along with a brief description of what each sector's story would've been and jumped into the final sector.

VitaPopcorn The decision seems to have went like this: wrap up the Ruimi arc which was already mostly done by the time the decision was made, and then start making the Final Arc of Part 2.

The timing also aligns with getting even longer update cycles (9 weeks).

potent forum
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I think it's relatively obvious that p2 could last as long as part 1 if it were more popular, the skipped sector descriptions all introduce female characters for example, that's how you know they were drafts for playable characters

nimble dirge
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We can still go back to those places later on, they aren’t synonymous with the Sena/Leylah storyline

potent forum
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if not for that it would be a weird decision for hoyo to tease skipping them and reduce consumer confidence

nimble dirge
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But well this whole idea that “Hoyo gave up on P2 and just wants to milk P1” falls apart when you realize they could’ve very easily had 3 EX reveal Mars was a simulation, then had the Sky People invade and destroy said computer, turned the Moon red, and proceeded immediately onto APHO

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Instead they let Ruimu go on for a year, and Difeng go on for about the same and regardless of what someone thinks about it, did take the time to properly address most of the questions they setup since P2 Prologue

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I’m sure we’ve all seen plenty of live service titles whether they be gacha or something else (mmo/online game/etc) go through a rough phase and either completely scrap their plans, or just outright shut the game down neither of which they did

potent forum
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There's some latency for both the company reaction and the development cycle, it doesn't have to be all or nothing at either. They can still mostly prioritise p1, as by the looks of it we'll have more part 1 battlesuits than p2.

nimble dirge
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Heck P2s MSQ itself despite the units having largely been P1 since Ruimu, has been nearly devoid of any P1 characters

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They could’ve very easily just put Mei/Bronya/etc into the system, let them speedrun Mars and call it a day even

Instead they will full intent made a clause that they couldn’t go into the system and fully focused on P2s cast

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In 7 EX/10/11/etc not a singular P1 character appears during those stories

untold marsh
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just as a gentle reminder, to everyone. Speculation is fine but do not present it as factual since we do not actually know why things have happened the way they are, even if speculation seems obvious or has a lot of ancilliary evidence for it, just remember to not present it as factual statements FuHuaApprove

nimble dirge
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Oh I’m not stating these as facts, I’m just saying that the arguments people are presenting don’t really have any credence IMO

main zenith
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Version Event Stories might just become the slice of life epilogue episodes. They already kinda remind me of Adventures in SF3.

untold marsh
nimble dirge
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“Hoyo is not your friend, they are a business”

Continues P2 for 2.5 years past people screaming “it failed” with nearly no P1 involvement in said MSQ

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Not that I’m saying this statement doesn’t have truth to it, but people are being overtly negative while not looking at the things they did choose to do/commit to

glass nacelle
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Blame some p1 glazers and stupid dev

main zenith
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Any succsessful business gets eventually crippled by its own hubris.

You just lose sight of the notion of failure, and cracks form beneath a veil of blind optimism.

nimble dirge
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I should also add that you can look at how the revenue has been, there’re publicly available resources for this

The revenue didn’t magically spike when they started to do P1 battlesuits, nor has it been on an upward trend it’s just been hovering around the same “stable” amount it’s always been at

Of course said resources are not fully accurate as they aren’t from the company (and well don’t include PC which is the biggest source of revenue), but they do show trends

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Said trends don’t show the revenue magically going up and up with P1 despite Hoyo continuing to release P1 battlesuits during P2, the revenue was higher during Sena/Thelema/Songque/etc

potent forum
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The revenue data doesn't even spike for anni patches sometimes, and doesn't dip when there are no new things to pull for

nimble dirge
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So that alone should tell you they aren’t just “farming nostalgia”

nimble dirge
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All the skins despite how they change VFX/SFX/etc can be obtained for free with the sole exception of Vitas BP skin in the past few years, and with no 50/50 / 75/25 it’s very realistic to get every unit + gear if you play everyday

potent forum
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I think it just means the revenue data is wrong, it predicts from download count I believe, not spending

nimble dirge
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I don’t think so, if that was the case nobody would trust it for any title, Hi3 isn’t a special exemption in said resources/databases

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Of course again, it’s not the full story because PC isn’t counted nor is it from Hoyo themselves, but you can at least see general trends with it

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I’m not absolving Hoyo of any criticism I should add, this situation wouldn’t exist if they just talked about it rather than leaving people to speculate

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But it’s not as black and white as “P2 didn’t do well therefore shelved” is all

potent forum
nimble dirge
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It does but P1 also went on for 9 years, 7 if you want to be “literal” but it’s still very much ongoing and we’ve always known these characters will take the spotlight again because of APHO

potent forum
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I mean p1-1.5 suits released in part 2

nimble dirge
#

The game didn’t get renamed to “Hi3 P2”, it isn’t a new exe/client, the icon never turned into Senadina/Entropy, Mars isn’t entirely detached from the overarching plot (as it’s just a terminal on the Moon after all), etc

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It’s still the same game with the same story, just a new arc in that story

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Heck you could argue Helia and Coralie are P1 characters because they’re first teased during the Kevin fight and show up at the end of 1,5 (would I say this? No, but you can make a case for it)

Yet they were main cast members from the start of P2

potent forum
#

for instance, I don't think we got 3 event valks back to back before, sure it's the same game, but that doesn't mean there aren't some apparent "meta" factors

ember locust
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At least mostly

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It can be very well be a question of business as well as it could be something else

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But I think I have my idea on the subject

untold marsh
#

speculation is fine, but there is no way to "prove" that plans were changed, or if they did what the motivations for them were unless we are told about it so please keep in mind the confidence of statements regarding speculation

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thanks VodkaHug

nimble dirge
# potent forum for instance, I don't think we got 3 event valks back to back before, sure it's ...

Well the story structure also did change, before arcs would be 3-4 patches with multiple phases meaning x y z would happen quicker, but even back then we still had event valks (for example Lunar Vow, MG Sirin, Fallen Rosemary, Delta, etc)

Now we’re on an ~7 patch cycle (Ruimu being 7 patches), so for example PAWS couldn’t be 8.1/8.2 because she hadn’t gotten that form yet, same with Dragon Coralie naturally

Whereas that wouldn’t have been the case on the old cycle, because 8.1/2 would’ve had the plot points seen in 8.3/etc (again, the release cycles of the arcs got elongated)

And this wasn’t because “Hi3 is doing bad” or whatever, it’s almost definitely a change on Hoyos side because Amphoreus also took HSR from a 3-4 patch cycle to 8, which they carried onto Planarcadia

Likewise both games would also stop doing A-Ranks / 4*s, they have the same producer and overhead so naturally they’ll align with one another in various ways, look at how HSR has been releasing SPs abundantly for example, something exclusive to Hi3 before now

terse ravine
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I'll cut the moderation short. Just shut up and see what devs gonna say in 10th anniv. If none? Then send feedback, as always.

nimble dirge
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You have to look at these things from a wider lens, the artbook situation is the same

HSR despite being a mega profitable game didn’t get its artbook event on GLB, only CN just like Hi3

Naturally HSR didn’t even sell the artbook globally, you can’t pay for an English release of it

potent forum
#

I don't think a statement that starts with "I think" needs moderation, we're just discussing what we think

nimble dirge
#

Which just goes to show this was done because of the whole situation going on globally

untold marsh
nimble dirge
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Its just really unfortunate it happened during a time when a lot of concern was being had around Hi3, but HSR despite being extremely profitable having went through the same scenario just proves this

untold marsh
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the only time i try to step in is if its getting too heated, or specualtion is being presented as factual and can result in misinformation being spread around

nimble dirge
nimble dirge
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I’m sure they have something planned for the 10 year Anni given it’s well, the 10 year Anni

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So we just have to wait a bit and see what they have planned

For all we know we’ll finally find out what the whole 9 week cycle was for, or get P2s documentary released full of answers, etc

Can’t really say these things “won’t” happen because said Anni hasn’t happened yet (on the same token you can’t say they will but you get the idea)

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I think P2 ending the patch before said anni is pretty important though/a sign that they have something planned, so we’ll see HaluThink

terse ravine
untold marsh
terse ravine
#

Also i'd like to tell that im not being a mod, im just looking for something here unrelated to the P2 Finale, but im done with the topic LITERALLY EVERYWHERE but produce no results.

I'm off.

potent forum
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Ultimately it's a topic that I care about and interested to hear other views. I understand it's not preferable for everyone, I must say I didn't feel any heat, but perhaps I misjudged

magic gust
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I mean… if A was said but B was given then it does necessarily prove that plans were changed if words have any meaning. TeriDerpMelon Either that or A was a lie. No third possible conclusion. If proof means anything, then it is a proof of either of two things.

shrewd socket
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A can be said, but it's not set in stone

nimble dirge
#

Mfw the plot of like every Hoyo game

untold marsh
glass nacelle
#

Limited stuff SeeleUwU

small wing
#

It's not like the hsr art books are that good anyway LanternHeavyThoughts

nimble dirge
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I can understand not distributing artbooks for free (given you only lose money doing this), but there's no reason not to sell them

potent forum
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The artbook situation is dubious, but CN supply was also reduced. It's one thing to try explaining each of these cases individually versus finding a common denominator. The former is known as overfitting which could be used to justify anything as you please. That's only my opinion on what's happening of course KianaSweat

nimble dirge
#

Again, HSR likewise had a CN exclusive event, and did not sell or distribute its artbook globally despite nobody arguing that it's losing money or "failing"

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And I will once again add that both HSR and Hi3 are produced and managed by the same people

potent forum
nimble dirge
#

Heck you can even see proof of this in how HSR had an artbook event to begin with, whereas Genshin/etc never did AFAIK LanternHeavyThoughts

clear vigil
small wing
#

Tbh I just the fan base doesn't start acting like APHO1/2 were good after all this mess LanternHeavyThoughts

potent forum
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I think they already have been, some of them at least

small wing
#

Wack

potent forum
#

I think the gameplay was very nice, story is ok-ish, I'm not the biggest fan of adam, and weaker premise and cast than p2. But it's what people who stayed for p1 seem to cling to

rain isle
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I've seen a lot of peeps want apho3 after yesterday's news XD

rain isle
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Best thing by far was the gameplay and environment

limpid glacier
rain isle
#

The story was aight I guess

pearl mortar
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so u want to say that HLE reruns again i got hle for rita and i missed rita bc i wanted to get her bis team

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🙏

rain isle
pearl mortar
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whats seeles best team

shrewd socket
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depends on the boss

rain isle
#

Seelegood everywhere SeeleUwU

nimble dirge
#

^

feral epoch
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does simp still better at ss0 with s0 seele support for qua weather or s0 seele wins?

glass nacelle
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Simp is better if your youyun is ss

feral epoch
glass nacelle
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but tbh 2 ring style of teri has problem

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The reso progression is too slow

#

Iirc the 3 last reso equals sum of the first 15 reso

small wing
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Is the CN side just as doom and gloom as we are or what

naive briar
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Aponia Birthday 2026

shrewd socket
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who's holding the cake

red heath
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Probably Eden

shrewd socket
#

Eden has gloves

red heath
#

Hmmm

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Griseo?

shrewd socket
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and long sleeves

untold marsh
#

griseo didnt have adult hands back then

shrewd socket
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^

red heath
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I doubt is Mobius so... maybe random woman then

untold marsh
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my guess is elysia but i dont know of a way to tell KianaShrug

red heath
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Elysia is behind Aponia

shrewd socket
#

^

untold marsh
#

oh yeah i just noticed that BronyaRip_nopies

shrewd socket
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all of them have gloves besides Griseo

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wait

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oh nvm MEI also has gloves

red heath
#

I just searched the same LMAO

shrewd socket
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unless we consider stigama art

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which features her ungloved

untold marsh
#

Kalpas doesnt LanternHeavyThoughts (wait nvm they do on their left hand)

red heath
#

Even Mei wears gloves

shrewd socket
untold marsh
#

could be anyone really

shrewd socket
#

could be Blanca

feral epoch
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could be you

naive briar
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why would you guess MEI when she started the Kaslana cooking gene

untold marsh
#

I mean its possible she didnt create the cake but is just delivering it lol

shrewd socket
#

we all know Kalpas made that cake

naive briar
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I have faith with Kallen

naive briar
glass nacelle
#

Damn livestream has more views than pv

#

ppl don't care seele

rain isle
muted mauve
shrewd socket
#

sleeves still

muted mauve
shrewd socket
#

im not saying otherwise

steep axle
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isnt that elys hand

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wait cake

muted mauve
steep axle
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im blind nvm

short notch
twin dune
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p2 ended?

#

i had to skip story for some crystals all i know is we beat nahla and layla is idk crying over sena

untold marsh
small wing
#

After that we move onto, an epilogue? Part 2.5?

muted mauve
#

ye

small wing
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Idk they used the same word to describe part 1.5 as they did with the new upcoming stuff yeah?

muted mauve
#

probably one more arc (1 year) and then whatever else they have planned

#

probably just moving to the anti-honkai squads since they brought them up in recent content...
Meaning back to Earth.

#

I'm pissed off at this company who says a and practices b

twin dune
#

what s this thing about a documentary i keep hearing about?

potent forum
#

there was something like a part 2 development documentary that was supposed to air at the p2 launch

rain isle
#

Coping that we'll get it after p2 ends

#

Also omg @twin dune VodkaHug SeelePat 🍞

twin dune
rain isle
short notch
#

I wish luna was theresa

shrewd socket
#

she literally is

young yew
short notch
ember locust
#

Probably Hoyoverse's motto

dreamy pendant
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Imo it’s better if they take some time to make a better product than something that is eh

#

Tho yeah they need to stop saying A and doing BLanternHeavyThoughts

potent forum
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TL should be a small fraction of the cost, so I think global is fine as long as CN is

last sandal
#

well they got rid of ggz

#

so thats not a guarantee

potent forum
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ggz costs much lower, so TL is a higher fraction of its revenue cost

dreamy pendant
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We need the eu to make hi3 a globally protected media so it can’t be deletedKianaDumb

last sandal
#

i think any law they would make would only apply to new games

dreamy pendant
#

Btw just to clarify I know hi3 is not at risk of eos, cn devs would rather burn in hell than to unplug what they consider their childSakuraLuv

dreamy pendant
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So there’s a possibility, an abysmally small one but stillBronyaHeavyDebugging

#

Hi LunaSakuraLuv

untold marsh
# last sandal well they got rid of ggz

ggz global server ended due to licensing issues. Cost had a large part of it but the long story short is that the company that TL'd and published the global version decided to end due to not getting enough money they said but it was the licensing companies decision, not mihoyo's

potent forum
#

not sure if eu law would apply to an older chinese game, but people would find a way regardless I think, and hoyo wouldn't delete it either possibly

dreamy pendant
untold marsh
#

new laws do affect the game, a recent example is requiring to register your age for your hoyoverse account. Those that missed the deadline had to contact customer service about their accounts

untold marsh
dreamy pendant
dreamy pendant
#

wait I just realized am supposed to be studying, pause ended, byeeeeSakuraLuv

last sandal
#

interesting that it was because of licensing. I wonder why doesnt mohoyo just publish it globally themselves? Do they hire other companies for hi3 and genshin global versions as well?

potent forum
untold marsh
# last sandal interesting that it was because of licensing. I wonder why doesnt mohoyo just pu...

probably some legal reason that isnt made publicly available, I was there during the end of the server and the in game mail and last minute rewards and so on made it abundantly clear that mihoyo was sad to see it go.

for their other games, they already do that with hoyoverse. in CN the company is still mihoyo but their offshoot hoyoverse is the legal entity that handles global publishing

untold marsh
last sandal
#

okay that is somewhat reassuring

dreamy pendant
#

Pinging vojta as he was sad tooSakuraLuv hopefully this makes it better

#

Ok now am really going, byeFuHuaRip_nopies

untold marsh
small wing
#

Tbh I also wouldn't be surprised if hoyo just wants to avoid publishing GGZ globally when it's very much still on the heavy fanservice end of the spectrum

untold marsh
#

for example the JP server is still getting updates at the same pace the CN server is

potent forum
#

for the better or worse, global seems more sensitive to it, but anyway off topic TeriDerp

twin dune
#

wait weren t there suposed to be many many many more rings?

untold marsh
rain isle
#

Hopefully we'll get some lore about them in the after story episodes

twin dune
#

With loa being the most forgotten as it only has 3 characters

rancid plank
#

wheelchair of destiny basically just as forgotten ngl

#

sure technically it got 5

#

but nobody cares

twin dune
#

I mean WoD has 4 units
Thelemarketing
Lamp
Feet girl
ELYSIAAAA

#

Oh rita too

rancid plank
#

unlike roo with 4 but they never gonna let u forget it

twin dune
#

Always forget rita

rancid plank
#

that its 5

#

wod just there

twin dune
rancid plank
#

nah? Only vita like that

#

Hofi got trio, VBM got whoever, FDD got paws

twin dune
#

True

potent forum
#

it's 0 blood type in my heart LanternHeavyThoughts

twin dune
#

Fun biology fact

#

Make your right hand into a fist, not a tight fist

#

That s the shape and size of your heart

abstract night
#

Lovely

atomic coral
last sandal
naive briar
frozen cobalt
#

Who is holding the cake

#

Griseo?

glass nacelle
#

My pov

obsidian berry
prisma tartan
gleaming imp
twin dune
#

if i start saving starting tomorrow and i use the power of monthlies can i afford serapeum? dkey box might be more important but i supose 10 attack can wait

rancid plank
#

tho if you specifically want her there's probably going to be some bchip bundles next patch with the event currency

#

so probably doable that way

twin dune
smoky lintel
#

!faq calc

winter dirgeBOT
smoky lintel
#

maybe use this calculator to get an estimate 33k is quite a lot though

twin dune
#

HoVCookie i always forget about the calculator

twin dune
#

So it will be close like the songque operator

#

Assuming i retain red lotus that is

mossy escarp
glass nacelle
#

Nice birthday gift

twin dune
somber egret
#

Bullying Aponia on her Birthday

desert lily
#

Mei can certainly cope on this boss I hope

rancid plank
#

is she not bis

desert lily
#

No weather boost

rancid plank
#

so?

#

there's bio mobs at the start and she has strong ele resist

#

that's mei shill

#

plus she has a shield

#

and mei is shieldbreak

#

who else would it possibly be shilling, dreamweaver in big 2026?

desert lily
rancid plank
#

I mean if you dont got mei youd prolly have to cope with horb or rs or thelema but like all of those are gonna be painful af

#

compared to mei

sonic wolf
#

Mei>>>

glass nacelle
#

It's mei weather

#

The main stage is tc too

desert lily
#

Why is it still dominance weather KEKWhat

copper shale
#

regardless is just mei tho

glass nacelle
#

I mean the first stage

shrewd socket
copper shale
#

main stage = boss stage no but ic

desert lily
smoky lintel
#

BronyaCopium surely this means we use Horb for Mei for the first time

copper shale
#

the buff only for the one who owns summon

smoky lintel
#

Oh right lmao

obsidian berry
#

Dudu summon a skateboard DurandalPeek

glass nacelle
#

600d soon

desert lily
#

Disturbance inflation real

rain isle
velvet dune
limpid glacier
rain isle
muted mauve
#

"Summon weather"

desert lily
stark hawk
#

hwo do you play nyx seele_nani

#

I never did dese

finite saffron
#

the pt 2 news coming just as I was starting to pray for that playstation port that was being rumored a few years ago to materialize........ FuHuaDead

rain isle
finite saffron
#

the pt 2 maps seem fun as hell to explore my phone is just shitty

stark hawk
#

ps port? kekWtf

rain isle
finite saffron
vale granite
#

In ult fill bar -> CA -> keep tapping

stark hawk
#

HigoPuppyEyes it didnt die

#

maybe have to level weapon and stig peepoSitGamer

#

also mfw how to play fuhua Oldge

#

oldschool gaming OhIToot

#

I never knew SA skin got other color for the ground aoe TeriDerpMelon

#

NotLikeSagiri omg they are so much more fun to play

#

I think it's been 6 years since I last played SP accordingtoama

#

I just noticed this is cn sorry teri_point

ember locust
#

It's about time she retires

mild wyvern
steep axle
steep axle
#

HoS stress test is hell on earth

#

its been 4 years i havent gotten any progress on that one stage

abstract night
#

Thats HB

#

HB sucks

#

Stress test wise

steep axle
#

i didnt even touch that

#

i should do those one day

abstract night
#

Assuming no turg

#

The upgrade with turg is insane

steep axle
#

i have turg

mossy escarp
abstract night
ember locust
gleaming imp
desert lily
gleaming imp
#

Sparklegood moment LanternHeavyThoughts

desert lily
#

Qua pig is Seele shill

gleaming imp
#

Oh

ember locust
desert lily
#

Plus HLE and Badum can probably handle it fine

ember locust
ember locust
desert lily
#

For the hp loss?

#

Don't think much has changed

smoky lintel
# desert lily For the hp loss?

I mean basically everything gets buffed with her s2, breach, HP loss, DMG dealt against qua enemies, collapsed state extension

desert lily
#

True

ember locust
shrewd socket
#

surely we'll all get SS WoP in a 10x

ember locust
#

At this point, I might be safe for lucksack again

gleaming skiff
#

what is this game gonna do if it ends

gleaming imp
#

It more than likely won't since it's hi3 LanternHeavyThoughts

muted mauve
atomic coral
#

nothing... because it blew up

gleaming skiff
#

I mean like when part 2 ends

untold marsh
wooden cliff
abstract night
#

Up to your imagination

magic gust
#

A bit off topic, but one possible explanation for the belt between Jupiter and Mars is, that there used to be a planet Phaeton which blew up. So maybe something similar would happen with the Earth then too
-# P.S.: I meant that as a possible answer to the question of what would happen with the Earth after it blows up, should it happen for some reason — form a belt of cosmic pebbles KianaSparkle

short notch
#

do we know what happens after doctor seele, or too early?

untold marsh
short notch
untold marsh
#

its okie VodkaHug

potent forum
uneven birch
#

They really went and axed Part 2, uh? Hope it lends to EoS so I can finally be free. TeriPray

potent forum
#

maybe ending your commitment instead is what is necessary if you feel that way

untold marsh
#

I was going to say if your wish is for the game to end for the millions that still really enjoy it then for your mental health it might be worth considering taking a break.

But they have already announced what the next thing is so the game isnt ending after the end of part 2's main story

uneven birch
#

No, I have attachment issues with the game.

still vine
untold marsh
uneven birch
#

I wouldn't be doomposting if it wasn't for the fact that they are just gonna make epilogues/gaidens now.

untold marsh
#

might be a million and some. but i'd say thats a fairly reasonable guess of reocurring players

potent forum
#

if the average revenue per player is <3$ or something SenadinaStare

uneven birch
#

That's actually very unreasonable, the game doesn't have a million players, regardless of how many servers the game have.

untold marsh
uneven birch
#

A 6 digit number maybe, but it's not a million.

untold marsh
potent forum
uneven birch
#

Fair enough but still.

uneven birch
#

Well, I wonder what they will do with the game mechanic-wise now.

prisma tartan
#

2nd abyss

shrewd socket
atomic coral
#

honkai chao garden

untold marsh
potent forum
shrewd socket
#

one once in a while doesn't hurt

uneven birch
#

I dunno, I think new valk + divine key in the same patch is rough.

small wing
untold marsh
#

LanternHeavyThoughts as a big gameplay casual it helps my wallet

small wing
#

And that ended up not being what people assumed it eas

uneven birch
#

I was half joking, don't take it too serious.

#

I'm mostly making fun of how P2 wasn't well received.

#

Though I don't even know what happened since I started skipping by the end of P1.

shrewd socket
potent forum
prisma tartan
small wing
#

tbh I'm of the opinion it's better than most of P1 but that's not exactly a popular one SeeleUwU

uneven birch
#

I don't have the patience anymore, I just like to collect the waifus.

nimble dirge
#

People giga doomed Oxia and while it’s not the greatest arc ever, it’s much better than a lot of P1s not so great arcs

Ruimu is amongst my favorite arcs in the whole game

Can’t really speak on Difeng since it’s not done yet but it’s looking to be in the same boat as Ruimu, I’m enjoying it a lot

#

If P2 had animated shorts but kept the exact same story, there would be a very different opinion on it

#

And well I like these arcs as much as I do without manga/vns, 6+ years of buildup, vocals, and shorts so

Says a lot LanternHeavyThoughts

potent forum
#

the folding hands emoji is nice

nimble dirge
glass nacelle
#

Sw + hle support dominate ma now

#

I mean reso team

desert lily
#

Guessing this is QUA pig

muted mauve
#

Event first

willow pumice