🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[limpid glacier]

Perhaps

Cuz hear me out they save everyone in the system and they get to live in the real world trust

[onyx crow]

[limpid glacier]

And we rebuild mars trust

The copuim levels.....

[shut skiff]

Ever heard of super danganronpa 2..

[limpid glacier]

No

Oh the one with the pink bear?

[shut skiff]

Yes

[naive briar]

#off-topic-discussion please

[tawny bramble]

this is me coping but if theyre not stupid they know just immediately ending it is inehrently just messy so they do that after story thing although i still dont find any reason for them to end it so soon

[limpid glacier]

Maybe p3 isnt even ahpo and is another part of p2 trust

[shut skiff]

We dont need to discuss danganronpa I just wanted to make a joke cause that's what happens in it

[small wing]

I mean we still have 2 full chapters

And whatever part 2.5 ends up being

[limpid glacier]

How long was p.1.5 like a year and a half?

[muted mauve]

they never said 2.5

[muted mauve]

drop the half

[limpid glacier]

Oh yes the cppuim evolves

[limpid glacier]

Wow only a year

It felt longer imo

[small wing]

Lemme have this damnit

[tawny bramble]

would be nice if they tell us what to expect

[small wing]

That requires hoyo to ever bother communicating

[tawny bramble]

someone ring them up smh

[glass nacelle]

So what's the point of this timeline

[copper shale]

fluff

[tawny bramble]

whats the translation?

[untold marsh]

Apho? I'm confused

Because the thing you're pointing to on that is just apho

[tawny bramble]

apho took place in 2025 right

did it

[untold marsh]

2026

[woven axle]

Please honkai devs just release a 10 minute discussion talking about the future of the game

[tawny bramble]

i support this

[stark hawk]

the future is continue like they have been doing while cutting costs in hopes things get better

[naive briar]

!faq timeline

[winter dirge]

Honkai Impact 3rd Official Timeline

Hello, Captain!

Here is the Official Timeline for Honkai Impact 3rd!

[tawny bramble]

hmmm

would it makes sense if it becomes a transition story to apho

although it does sound kinda goofy

[woven axle]

Im just not sure with what budget they‘re gonna make apho 3

[glass nacelle]

I mean what's the point of showing the destruction of mars and dinosaur

[tawny bramble]

for sa

[tawny bramble]

i mean to apho1

epilogue for pt2 prologue for apho

[woven axle]

Yeah yeah, just another thing I’m wondering about

[tawny bramble]

ASSUMPTIONS ONLY

[woven axle]

And how long this epilogue will be going for

[tawny bramble]

@mihoyogpt how long will after story of pt2 will be

[glass nacelle]

Still no idea about this

[clear mirage]

they gave us the shitty teri smh. They didn't give us that or aged up Teri from story

The one actual evil thing Vita did was turn Teri's new valk into a joke 😔

[small wing]

Gen question btw, when should we be expecting 9.0 stuff

And anniversary ig, I don't remember when that is

[tawny bramble]

idk if this is accurate

correct me if im wrong

[small wing]

I meant more betas and CN side launches

Since I know we got a while for that in GLB

[untold marsh]

They're assuming a lot there

like when in the patch the main story is coming out

[obsidian berry]

Ok but apho3 when

[glass nacelle]

Ded

[limpid glacier]

We gonna get P3 and explore Jupiter

[tawny bramble]

bridge story to apho first

[slate merlin]

[glass nacelle]

They show red moon at 8.9 trailer

[small wing]

Pls CN players I must know

[limpid glacier]

Some people said maybe the Mars system comeing to the real world is gonna make the moon like that

[tawny bramble]

if hsr and hi3 is connected wouldnt that mean theres a possibility of hsr prologue as part of story LOL

i remember talking abt it in game chat since we would somehow need to connect the main story to apho

[limpid glacier]

Idk the full time line but would hsr current story planacardia be further in time than apho?

So a prolougewould make sense

[tawny bramble]

yeah but hsr teaser had carole on it

[limpid glacier]

The period where welt leaves

[tawny bramble]

so im guessing thats what theyre doing rn connecting the main story to apho

[feral epoch]

what hsr teaser

[limpid glacier]

Apho.5

[tawny bramble]

the one shown in hi3 concert alongside apho2 announcement

[limpid glacier]

Tbf the hsr teaser wasnt fully confirmed

Subject to change i mean

The one with welt and carole

[untold marsh]

if you're talking about reburn 2, that was a concept trailer, as in not canon

[limpid glacier]

Then theres also honkai nexus

[glass nacelle]

Ye concept trailer isn't canon

[limpid glacier]

They should just nake a honkai movie prolouge

[forest lodge]

Is hi3 going eos after 9.0 cus they said the end of pt2??

[muted mauve]

Except sparkle/vita's

[untold marsh]

No, they announced what the story is doing after part 2

[ember locust]

HUH

[untold marsh]

its just the end of the part 2 main story

and going into the "story after" epilogue of sorts after that

[limpid glacier]

This livestream thing got me sidetracked for editing my cv

[celest valley]

no

[cyan badger]

What patch is presumably 10th anniversary for CN?

[sullen pond]

So p2 ending in 9.0 huh?

[forest lodge]

Oh so like new characters or new battle suits of the pt1 cast and apho3?

[ember locust]

Ok now P2 is absolutely rushed 💀

Where are the 12 AR they talked about way back in time ?

What about the rest of the worlds ?

[untold marsh]

9.1

[limpid glacier]

To summarize main p2 story is ending and we will get an after story like p1.5

[untold marsh]

There are no details other than it will explore the unsolved mysteries and the day to day life of mars and earth

[desert lily]

They can still release them

[forest lodge]

I miss the days of p1 man 😭

[rain isle]

:o

[ember locust]

Ok but ending P2 just like that is absolutely rushed 💀, it feels weird

[untold marsh]

I dont see it that way, they've been wrapping up the main plot of part 2 for a while now, if they started exploring other things without bringing up something new as a reason then it would be a detour for the main plot

[forest lodge]

I’ve only done chapters 1-3 and that already took me soo long it’s just so much yap

[rain isle]

Personally I was hoping we'd get moar, but ye it did feel like things were wrapping up XD

[celest valley]

maybe it's like fgo

[rain isle]

Which is now confirmed

[untold marsh]

as far as the other locations, we already skipped the rest of the worlds back in 9EX

[desert lily]

Like hoshi said a bit ago, Part 2 doesn't have to be the same length as Part 1

[rain isle]

Yus

[ember locust]

All of the potential story for Part 2 : GONE... That's insane

[limpid glacier]

As my theory is the p2 system chars are gonna be able to live in the real world and their gonna rebuild mars or something

And probaly going to be the reason the moon is red

[ember locust]

I mean sure but some ideas were definitely not exploited or well-exploited. Like why showing us multiple words of Mars but not using them...🫣

[untold marsh]

They did have a reason for it in 9EX, i didnt like the reason because i thought the other areas looked cool but they did provide a reason at least

[limpid glacier]

Then the after story is probaly gonna be around that and how earth and mars are working together maybe

[main goblet]

honestly idk what to expect from the part 2 story announcement
i just want something that's not rushed or ass tbh

[ember locust]

Either I missed something or I don't remember Chapter9 EX

[desert lily]

I forgot the reason

[rain isle]

My guess is we'll get to explore those areas to some capacity in the after story episodes

[limpid glacier]

Thats my guess

[rain isle]

I mean devs said they wanna tie up loose ends etc. so I assume it includes the unexplored areas

[untold marsh]

Rice cake told vita something and she said that they were running out of time and needed to skip the rest of the sectors and go right to the end so she helped hack the system to make that happen

[limpid glacier]

Lose ends=npcs=playable naralab

[forest lodge]

Me neither

[desert lily]

Ah that

[forest lodge]

So basically some bs way of them saying we don’t wanna make it

[rain isle]

I want Nana valk too aaaaaa

Hoyo gib

[rain isle]

Or, with today's information now known, was planned to be that way from the start. That is if we get the sectors in the after story episodes ofc.

[tawny bramble]

i see then perhaps no hsr prologue then

[rain isle]

Why would we get hsr prologue?

[untold marsh]

that would be an assumption that im not going to make unless the story supports that

[ember locust]

💀 So the ending happened bc of Rice Cake...

Guess the Kiana's story in APHO is really getting retconned

[glass nacelle]

💤

[rain isle]

That's a different game

[tawny bramble]

no it was just a convo i had in game chat where we were talking about how we still need to connect apho to the main story and we also talked abt connecting it to hsr too LOL

[rain isle]

:o

[untold marsh]

kind of getting off topic with CN content though so i'll stop here. but regardless to say it was given a reason in 9EX why we skipped all the sectors and part 2's story has been wrapping up for the last few chapters so it ending in the next 2 chapters isnt a huge surprise, i am mostly curious what the story content structure will be like next since it seems it wont be formatted in a main story format

[rain isle]

I think it'll be same format, just different naming tbh

XD

We'll see I guess.

[atomic coral]

it'll be a "where are they now" segment where we see fu hua and senti chilling in the mountains

[ember locust]

Wait wait what does that mean ? No more content in the game to clear ?

[small wing]

So does anyone know when we should start getting 9.0 beta news or what

[rain isle]

Should be a while till then

CN is still in 8.9 beta

[slate merlin]

🥀

[untold marsh]

where did i say no more content?

[rain isle]

Omg Helsing 🍞

[muted mauve]

like 6 weeks?

[rain isle]

That sounds about right

[tawny bramble]

would u say its epilogue ?

[shrewd socket]

which week is CN in rn?

[ember locust]

Nowhere I'm just wondering

[ember locust]

If we are in week 4, CN is in Week 8 ?

[haughty herald]

Uh I was in r1 ppl were talking about the stream and a major thing about p2 story did you guys hear about it or were they just joshing me

[limpid glacier]

The valk teaser should be sometime next week tho

[small wing]

[muted mauve]

nope

We got Seele early but that's the exception not rule

[small wing]

[ember locust]

Hang on let me check

[untold marsh]

I have no more info than you have, the way they worded that makes me feel that the main story will be more episodic and less singular and linear new main story

as its structure, it will still have content

[ember locust]

Yup as I thought.

We're in Week 4, so week 8 for CN

Barely though

[haughty herald]

Something something 9.0 story is going to drastically shift idk if we can actually fr talk spoilers here

[ember locust]

Nice, guess we gotta wait and see...

[shrewd socket]

as in self-contained?

[untold marsh]

if it has been officially announced in CN you can talk about it here. If it is leaks then that is prohibited

[haughty herald]

Oh okay uhhh I'll try to see if I can find out if it is a leak

[slate merlin]

When was there even story leaks

[haughty herald]

OH okay yes it was in stream P2 IS ENDING. FINAL CHAPTER 8.9

[untold marsh]

No idea on specifics, when i say episodic im just speculating that it would maybe look like how the current main events are where they dont directly follow one another and are more snippets of story, or anime like idk gintama for example but a lot of my speculations end up being wrong, its just how i think it'll be from the wording

[naive briar]

wrong patch

[untold marsh]

If you are talking about the livestream announcement about when the final chapter of part 2 will be, yes that is from the official CN livestream

and yes not 8.9

[haughty herald]

Oh 9.0 then whoops but still. It feels way too soon

I don't like it. Especially since this patch was a filler valk AR weapon.

[untold marsh]

the valk release had nothing to do with the part 2 story though, if anything 8.8's story was slightly longer than they had been recently iirc

but idk, they've been wrapping up the main plot of part 2 for a few chapters now so i wasnt sure how they would keep it going for too much longer

not to say that you cant feel it was rushed, i was just offering my opinion on the last few chapters

[rain isle]

@untold marsh

[haughty herald]

I mean coincidentally we didn't even get a new battlesuit is what I'm saying. Your right the story was longer I think which was nice for a change. I remember it took like 4hrs in the beginning then later patches I'd be done in like 1hr.

It IS rushed. I remember they said there'd be 12 astral rings. Nahralab was a rumored battlesuit. And apparently after itl be some cutesy day in the life RPG for a bit like bruh no.

I thought oh maybe this lil part is wrapping up and then we'll get to some other weird thing with vita for a while

[slate merlin]

I dont think Nahralab was ever gonna be playable

[rain isle]

We don't know what the after story stuff will exactly be, so let's wait for that

[haughty herald]

One can only dream, and now all dreams are crushed.

[untold marsh]

We dont know what the content will be like afterwards so lets not be too certain how it will look like.

They did give a reason for skipping all that back in 9EX which i didnt agree with, but they did provide a reason for that in the story.

Not that we cant get new ring types in gameplay afterwards, gameplay doesnt always = story after all

[slate merlin]

And we all know why

[untold marsh]

Because shes too lazy to fight?

[desert lily]

[magic gust]

do we know when the next valk well be announced?

news made me curious

[haughty herald]

Well anyways, what do you mean with what happened in 9ex?

[main zenith]

Entropy walks past several sectors that would've been Part 2 story arcs, and jumps to the last one, Difeng.

[willow sonnet]

Sooooo P2 is ending
the last actual new playable character we got recently would be Songque... that so long ago...

[limpid glacier]

P2 isnt ending yet the main story is there will be an afterwords of p2 like p1.5

[willow sonnet]

It feel like we never left P1 in the first place

[willow sonnet]

It is more like slide of life so it not even like P1.5 I think

[haughty herald]

Ah I forgot about that. Now I'm starting to realize they were setting it up to end. I was just blissfully thinking we'd pop to another sector.

[limpid glacier]

Cant say much because the info we got was pretty much vague we will have to wait and see

[atomic coral]

nah vita and dreamseeker put in the debug cheat and unlocked level select

[limpid glacier]

Dreemseeker: rules are made to be broken, this is our destiny..... we are honkai!

[haughty herald]

Overall: big sad fam.

[willow sonnet]

Even GGZ commit to the story than P2
It go all over the place

[shrewd socket]

different dev teams

same company means nothing

[haughty herald]

Whenever I hear rules were made to be broken I can only think of jinx from my days of subjecting myself to the most toxic player base.

[ember locust]

LMFAO for real

The Sparkle is a crossover char

The rest is just either Helia, Coralie or P1-P1.5 character

[shrewd socket]

Vita: ok there's a way to weaken Leylah up and go right to the source point of the disaster, but it put us on gunpoint

Entropy: Hmm... yeah let's do it.

[neat yoke]

What do you mean by that?

[willow sonnet]

well obviously, from the look of 3 other big game
But it doesn't change the fact that for the first time, they give up and back off from their plan because people leaving after arc 1

[woven axle]

Honkai nexus gonna make everything more complicated than it already is and I’m not here for it so I’ll consider any events happening with characters I know from hsr and hi3 not canon

[neat yoke]

they give up and back off from their plan
Don't spread missinformation please.

[woven axle]

If it does end up being like paart 1.5, I can excuse it. I doubt it will though

[magic gust]

they clearly diverged though

[ember locust]

I mean for Part 2 ending like that, it can be anything at this point.

Part 2 got a LOT of negatives returns all along of it

A lot of team changes happened too

[limpid glacier]

I blame it on the miscommunication 😔

[rustic sinew]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/honkaiimpact3/s/xZ6xT39Njn

Apho3?

[willow sonnet]

Not "give up" on P2 but from the original plan and the road map from the way they release stuff

• Budget cut
• longer patch
• revenue decline because longer patch = farm Abyss more easily + decline in player base
• No animated short, even the 3D render one with insert song (but we got ingame fight which cool too)

[atomic coral]

apho 2.8 final chapter prologue

hd remix

[rustic sinew]

2.8

[willow sonnet]

also try to avoid releasing P2 character for some reason and turn them into AO

[rustic sinew]

Release nahralab

[woven axle]

It’s so dumb

[willow sonnet]

she gonna be AO

[woven axle]

they won’t anytime soon if 9.0 is part 2 end

[neat yoke]

No animated short, even the 3D render one with insert song
Simply nothing to animate in 2D. Also reminder: all their previous animated shorts are 3D with the mix of 2D.

[rustic sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/nahralab-nahra-honkai-honkai-impact-honkai-impact-3-gif-13168503823895234298

[dry gyro]

Hmmmm I'm kinda split between P2's end... For one P2 is pretty good but lacks direction, like I get what they're trying with the StarWars-esque, ending first then go backwards deal, BUT the execution lacks some body/clarity making it cluttered. Like how they try to mix "Event Stories" into it without any cohesion unlike P1 with its Captainverse.

[rustic sinew]

So wasted

[woven axle]

Nahralab probably astralOP and entropy release in 9.0 and god senadina for cn anni 9.1

[willow sonnet]

Yes but I mean the Seele one at P1.5 and Songque one
vs all P1 animated one

[woven axle]

Maybe nahralab gets the treatment she deserves in hsr

[main zenith]

• Astral Op which ppl disliked

• Chef Sushang, Spy Rita, Minidurandal Sparkle, Eepy Teri, Elysia3, and now Medic Seele + CNY Kiana&Mei. Part 2 is riddled with playable characters that aren't a meaningful contribution to the ongoing saga.

• They had solid options for making Part 2 but the planning was screwed when trying to work around John Entropy, a reticence to diversify the character cast (excluding male chara like Litost, Baiji), a convoluted plot where its unclear what the main characters are even fighting ( a disaster that had already happened? a mystery of the ages? quantum physics? )

[atomic coral]

no actually it's more like apho 0.2 a fragmentary passage

[neat yoke]

How is it releated to HG2?..

[rustic sinew]

Ok so what happened in the story? I quit since paws release. I remember they go back in time and see a pink girl

[neat yoke]

Story questions go to #📚honkai-lore

[rustic sinew]

All the characters I like become astralop. At least vita didn't

[shrewd socket]

isn't SS AOp cheaper than 4* ELF?

[rustic sinew]

It's time to connect to hsr

[ember locust]

I think he pinged the wrong msg

[dry gyro]

I blame the way they paced the patches like introducing "Event" Valkyries like Badum, Ely and XDC while not fully fleshing out the MAIN story of P2. They really should have atleast try to get to the Main "Canon Event" of P2 which imo Evil-Entropy's proper introduction like how HoV was fully introduced...

[rustic sinew]

Everything is inception

End of an arc then jump to another era

Everyone is reset

[ivory slate]

Lack of direction like fighting zombie girl back in the day😭

[willow sonnet]

they commit and build up the 2nd protagonist which is kyuusyou and was loved by the playerbase after just nuke the world in before rebirth
even with the mistery of Kiana and Mei aftermatch, leading up more afterward
It was really nice going though

[naive briar]

it's not a very good idea to preach HG2 wrongly in front of HG2 players you know...

[neat yoke]

HG2 part 2 story direction is way too different from HI3. Why compare?
Also we had one year without main story in HG2 and last chapter was cut in 4 versions.

[rain isle]

Nana

[dry gyro]

I guess the fact that how the gacha and gearing works added to it too. I mean P1's while not perfect, was still better meta wise, but now it became a brain-dead streamlined gearing without any variety to setups and team comp. Heck we even lose the A-ranks, like sure they're not as "desirable" to some players, but they're damn viable and required for most of the meta even today...
It's like they forced us to let go of P1 valks yet somehow wants us to still follow P1 casts in P2 story. It's really a botched execution fr.

[willow sonnet]

I do play HG2 since SEA launch but stop playing after Hi3 release on SEA

only play here and there after

[untold marsh]

that was like 8 years ago

[willow sonnet]

just play to read story for fun mostly

[ember locust]

I agree with the last part.

I literally disagree on the rest. While it was better in setup customization, it was so worse than P2 in every other single way.

ELF were way more expansive, same for valkyrie setup (weapons and stigmatas)

[ivory slate]

Yeah I blame them when i can't play HoF in the P2 story lazy body.

[naive briar]

that is very old to support your claim and it is not related to the topic. kindly move on
FYI the person you talked to is a current HG2 player and I am a beta tester

[rain isle]

I see some interesting takes here

[ember locust]

The A ranks served no other purposes than the support, which is great but just added up to the expensive cost to just even be competitive

[atomic coral]

also team building was very rigid. no senti/horb? your phys team does no damage

[shrewd socket]

all this is a constant "everything was better back then" moment

[ember locust]

EXACTLY

[rain isle]

Some people just look at the game through rose tinted glasses, oftentimes without having played the game the way it is today. Just how things are unfortunately.

:runfast:

[small wing]

Yeah let's not lie and say P1 was better in terms of meta cause it absolutely wasn't

[main zenith]

imho, the writing slipped down Mt.Everest the moment Kevin said "Finality is coming." and threw us into Seele's POV on the Moon Base.

The characters were acting very dramatic but the imminent danger they were going through was absent

Kevin's moments were a walking sim and lore-dumped us till we fell asleep.

This level of tell don't show was carried into Part 2 with even more exposition than engagement.

[muted mauve]

Counter-argument:
Part 1 didn't have SSS Marut

[somber egret]

V8.9 is 8 Weeks too ?

[shrewd socket]

skill issue just have ME

[woven axle]

I played through moon arc with absolutely no context as I was a new player at that time and didn’t know that this was basically the final chapter of the game. I was massively confused but also was able to enjoy it. Looking back on it, it definitely had A LOT of flaws.

[somber egret]

ohhhh many thanks

fixing my estimated sched

[willow sonnet]

P1 meta was hell
I have a sub account which stopped playing for awhile (around 2 years)
To catch up with meta, I need at least 2 years to get your accout back to RL, not even retainning

New account would have easier time ofc (but can't give up on Swimsuit costume)

[woven axle]

Im only 2 chapters deep into part 2 but I heard the reception for newer chapters are good.

[untold marsh]

I kinda wanted to disagree, but my hatred for SSS Marut wouldn't let me

[main goblet]

8 weeks 3 times in a row huh

[ember locust]

That's exactly how to sum up Yuiro's claim

[dry gyro]

Not gonna deny that, I mean I was one of those without meta S-rank(looks at Shield Dudu), but still I wish they kept the ability to mix and match the team comp unlike today where you have to match the AR for the team to be viable. That heavily restricts the team comp imo. Then again P2 solved alot of "gearing" issues like stigmata crafting being a godsend for one.

[main zenith]

The Helia&Coralie centered arc was so good. Alas it gets sandwhiched between Seven Swho? and Sena#1Fan arcs.

[woven axle]

Introduction of helia and coralie was amazing however I get confused so quickly playing through part 2

way too many new things being introduced too quickly

I completely missed that oxia and langqiu once were apart of eachother

also that the sea of data is ||sea of quanta||

[smoky lintel]

P2 Teams are way more flexible though, one Valkyrie can support at least 2 other ring types which is like 6 Potential DPSs while P1 mostly evolved around elements and locked one unit to a specific element most of the time

[woven axle]

I try to take it slow now as I’m interested in later part 2 chapters due to honkaitwt giving good reviews

[main zenith]

Imagine if Chapter 1 of HI3 started with Kiana & Mei debating about Soukai City and the Far Eastern Branch history for 2 hours, then concluded with fighting Benares instead of Dark Bronya.

That's how Part 2 starts.

[abstract night]

SSS Kalpas..

[terse ravine]

OH, SO THAT'S WHY...

[main goblet]

that's what they're doing no?
p1 is far more restrictive in team building since you want your supports to match your dps needs and you only had so little options to play with
p2 ar system gives you the ability to make teams with your dpses and decide whos the leader or not, the only gimmick here is that you play with the rings
you even have exceptions like paws having a skill that lets her play with fdd despite not matching in rings and rare weathers where you didn't need to play all matching rings to work (HoC boss with sw fdd and some team comps that allowed p1 luna in vita teams early on)

[main zenith]

For reals setting up the main antagonist Leylah could've been handled better. There's not a peep about her until she bans Vita.

[woven axle]

Literally 😭😭

[main goblet]

i feel mixed about the end of main storyline being announced though
on one hand were already at a point that you don't expect them to be able to delay dealing with the main point of the story (due to build up)
but on thr other hand i have desires i wished to show up and questions that i have yet to answer

technically some of these can still exist in the "episodic" stories that got mentioned but idk how much care and details will they get

[dry gyro]

It does but now P1 valks gets thrown out. That's my main issue about P2 valks. Also sure you could have P2 valks support other P2 valks too but P1 supports have also already been doing that no? It LOCKS the teams you can actually build not just to P2 valks but to AR too. Like can you build Ely(P2) with someone like Sena(Off field support)? You can but it won't work optimally.

[rain isle]

Is that the img pig? If yes I agree. If not plz tell me which boss is that lmao

[shrewd socket]

img pig yea

[terse ravine]

yes it's img piggy

[shrewd socket]

but tbf SSS marut is not that much of an issue there

[main goblet]

that makes sense though, p1 slowly got removed because new stuff had to show up
and you have stellar keys that let you play the p1 units with the part 2 units
i suppose you wanted a synergy system btwn part 1 and part 2 aside from filler supports but it surely will be hard to handle when the game wants to promote new units to you

[rain isle]

Istg that boss in MA is

Literally hard counters p1 trio so badly

[main goblet]

i would argue the bigger issues is that for a bigger you have little to work with so having more p2 a ranks would help out but it seems like the game likes to balance it with occasional stellar key valks as they're as cheap as a ranks to get

[smoky lintel]

I mean it's just natural that P1 valks will be replaced due to powercreep this isn't a p2 issue, I really just don't get your point are you saying that part 1 valks should be able to support p2 valks ? That's like using CH for phys teams after HoS released. Also using Sena as a support for hi love elf would probably be the equivalent of using TA as a generalist TDM support for elemental teams of course it won't work, on the other hand she's extremely good for Thele/Rita/hohe etc.

[dry gyro]

THIS. I know it will be hard to handle but I still pull for P2 valks anyway so...

[atomic coral]

p1 valks were able to support p2 valks at the start, sena's best team was eden luna sena

in 7.3

[rain isle]

Cause there were no p2 valks aside from Sena and the A ranks lol

[main goblet]

i would argue this is the fix

[ember locust]

Same for some P2 valks for P1 ones

[main goblet]

as mentioned they technically do the p1 and p2 synergy with stellar keys

[dry gyro]

But it was doable, it's just how they implemented the ARs that killed those synergies...

[atomic coral]

on ice clock recently, sw with dkey, jk and kira did really well

[main goblet]

the ar is their way to form different team synergy or we would have the same p1 system all over again
i can see your point but it does feel far more unrealistic now

[dry gyro]

Yeah unrealistic now since P2's AR system is quite established at this point orz...

[willow sonnet]

I don't see how AR is a bad things outside of the fact it killed all P1 team by huge gap on release
But it just like everytime new support added or new mechanic (HP lost)

[atomic coral]

it didn't kill p1 teams on release

[willow sonnet]

AR make team building way easier

[atomic coral]

p1 teams were still good

sena didn't kill anything at launch

[willow sonnet]

I mean like P1 can't used AR so you have to play the old way instead

[atomic coral]

yeah but they weren't obsolete day 1

[willow sonnet]

Obvious not on Sena patch

[dry gyro]

Imo it's kinda bad in the sense that it limits the allowable valks in a team comp heavily in an already low amount of Valkyries (P2)... It can be solve in time by adding more valks

[atomic coral]

it took around a year for p2 to take over almost fully

[willow sonnet]

but it really quick, around Songque which make every element have AR

making playing P1 way mean you just can't compete with AR

[atomic coral]

not really, hare was still the best at fighting aponia

lantern kinda sucked

thelema was good

[willow sonnet]

Hare is the only Mecha Summon for ages

[dry gyro]

Still kinda is

[willow sonnet]

which make the Appnia weather around Songque release score extremely low lmao

[atomic coral]

sena had no defense and died very easily

luna was still solid

[dry gyro]

I dont think even P2 Horb team can compete with Hare for Aponee

[willow sonnet]

we don't have many Summon in the first place
The other Summon Physical was HoRB

[atomic coral]

mei took aponia

[willow sonnet]

and the weather have Lightning Res so Mobius is cooked

[atomic coral]

horb was always type countered

[main goblet]

even after vita p1 was still pretty notable
especially with starless enemies being a thing
also characters like sci, sparkle, rs being designed to also support p1
so part 1 good fazed out naturally

[dry gyro]

Yeah, if only Kallen was viable... Her kit kinda sucked even tho she's a summon type iirc

[willow sonnet]

Kallen is summon?!?

[dry gyro]

Her turrets were summon entities iirc

[willow sonnet]

was it during the buff shad... oh the Cross

[main goblet]

in my experience even though i started pulling part 2 units and all it felt like a pain until sometime after vita patch where i would stop taking ls on the p1 weathers

[limpid glacier]

As expected I already saw misinformation on this p2 thing

[dry gyro]

Yeah those thingies. Heck wasn't Hasta la Vista another summon type? Or was that a burst type?

[main goblet]

idk whos that but u can check the summon tag ingame

[willow sonnet]

I remember using TP back then because I refuse to roll on Hare/Usagi

[willow sonnet]

6S

[abstract night]

Lv got summon tag with dkey

[main goblet]

check ingame but she's a pistol type so at least no cross to say yes

[main goblet]

she can't even summon with dkey

[abstract night]

6S doesnt have summons afaik

[main goblet]

its p1 luna that can

[willow sonnet]

Cross after Ult

[abstract night]

With her sig

[willow sonnet]

which isn't which why I was confused

[dry gyro]

I meant sudden-jaeger

[willow sonnet]

oh

[abstract night]

SJ

[main goblet]

i was told its few bats still funny though

[willow sonnet]

who used A rank Kallen

[atomic coral]

summons bats after frenzy yeah

[willow sonnet]

outside ER

[main goblet]

ig she can't summon so she doesn't steal summon boss from horb

[willow sonnet]

TP was like the only other option on Aponia
unless you bruteforce it
that weather was always hated

[dry gyro]

I mean VD and Lilia became viable out of nowhere during P1 so who can say

[dry gyro]

But Aponee is Bio tho so I doubt Luna will be viable for a good clear

[atomic coral]

yeah no she's not

[main goblet]

up until the last aponia boss it was hare or sleep

[dry gyro]

Yeah i just clear the mob stages and skip clearing her entirely and let myself be demoted lol. -100 points oof

I should be able to get her in Dorm(new Srank guarantee) but meh, didn't like her kit very much so

[main goblet]

nah not worth approaching

[mild bloom]

Songque would perform decently well on Aponia, second option

[main goblet]

but if you get her at some point you get elysian realm xtals yum

[main goblet]

used to use that back in the day, still didn't compare anywhere to hare

[dry gyro]

Yeah around 400 xtals iirc. Pretty good for collection too

[main goblet]

at least its bearable in a bracket of non hare havers lmao

last aponia boss on rl ppl where really cooking

[main goblet]

620 actually

[dry gyro]

Mini dudu should also be viable for her no? Dudu/Que/PS me think

[main goblet]

400 from shallow sequence, 200 from level up, 20 from ego signets mmm

[main goblet]

iirc rs was the second best option

[atomic coral]

dudu was pretty decent

[dry gyro]

Ohhh I only remember about the Shallow sequence numbers lol

[main goblet]

now thought xdc can handle it pretty easily

[dry gyro]

True, type advantage really ups the score alot

[main goblet]

no weather advantage but the dist is too high for hare now

[mild bloom]

Welp little dudu was always a must have due to Aponia shields anyways

[main goblet]

was used as hare supp anyways

[ember locust]

I was talking about when Dudu and Teri supported P1 valks as well

[dry gyro]

Me not having MiniDudu... I'll just akip the boss lol

[ember locust]

In here

[main goblet]

i was replying to myself actually hehe

[dry gyro]

Expensive supports lol. Then again 4/4 P1 supports cost more pity-wise... Frick that gear gacha lol

[atomic coral]

and sparkle

[limpid glacier]

Asking for someone Did da wei ever say the p2 story was gonna last for 7 year?

[neat yoke]

He didn't.

[rain isle]

It was the players that said that kinda stuff

Dawei said that the game has been with us for 7 years (since at that point the game was 7yo iirc)

[willow sonnet]

I forget where the 12 AR info was from

[rain isle]

It was mentioned in the beginning chapters of p2 iirc, probably ch1

I think?

[limpid glacier]

Idk where some people heard this from

[rain isle]

[limpid glacier]

Yea maybe

[limpid glacier]

Isn't it 13 but idk

[willow sonnet]

they really like 13 huh

[limpid glacier]

I cant remeber if there was a confirmation on how much rings

[limpid glacier]

There are 12, it supposedly came from a dev livestream

[rain isle]

Oh was it dev strim?

Well, there ya have it

[limpid glacier]

But the 7 years? I have never heard that before

[willow sonnet]

definitely not 7 years

[rain isle]

This

[willow sonnet]

I remember he said 7 years so far only

[willow sonnet]

yeah

[atomic coral]

people thought p2 would last another 7 years because p1 lasted 7

[rain isle]

There's nothing suggesting that though

[limpid glacier]

Misinformation in hi3 😔

[rain isle]

I want more p2 but even I knew it wouldn't be that long lol

[rain isle]

Thank u

[limpid glacier]

Yea this is probly where people thought p2 was gonna last for another 7 years

[willow sonnet]

P2 expected to draw new player from other game but it doesn't work out

[rain isle]

I had a thought: Chances are we'll get some announcement regarding the after story stuff for 9.1 since it'll be the 10th anni

[willow sonnet]

10 anni... man

[short notch]

Wait im scared are we getting p3 soon or something 😢

[limpid glacier]

And the misinformations where people though p1 casts where never gonna be seen again 😔

[limpid glacier]

Main story of p2 is ending but we will get a story like p1.5 for p2

In the form of Eposides

What do they mean by eposides?
Only da wei knows

[rain isle]

We don't know details unfortunately

[short notch]

Oh I dont mind that. I mean will astral rings die and be replaced by cosmic scarfs or something

[willow sonnet]

I mean people dropped since P1.5 already
I think saying "ending part 1" was a mistake
live service game rarely survive the number 2

[limpid glacier]

Astral rings will stay from the looks of it

[rain isle]

The announcement was strictly a story thing

[atomic coral]

galactic gloves

[limpid glacier]

Lol

[limpid glacier]

The band of honkai and "freindship"

[willow sonnet]

about the story, I feel like it would be like other event so far

[abstract night]

I sure hope the patches become shorter bc of this
Will that actually happen?
Probably not lol

[willow sonnet]

since it isn't link to grand story or anything anymore but filler/extra ep

[rain isle]

I don't think so XD

We need to wait for more info

Probably 9.0 dev stream if I had to take a guess (hopefully sooner)

[limpid glacier]

Probaly to fill any plot holes and story's

[main goblet]

does someone know if the livestream showed new seele's battlesuit name?

[limpid glacier]

And maybe some p2 chars get suits depending how the final chapter works

[velvet dune]

I Hope not

[main goblet]

in English preferably

[rain isle]

Wings of Panacea @main goblet

[limpid glacier]

We all would be forced to become whales

[main goblet]

ohh

[limpid glacier]

😔

[willow sonnet]

so sad that I saw more people player started Hi3 recently on Twitter because HSR
and now end of p2 make people afraid to try it

[velvet dune]

Same

[rain isle]

That's just bad timing unfortunately

It is what it is

[velvet dune]

Like how do you NOT attract new Players, by saying your Main Story will end Like what Kind of ass Marketing is this

[short notch]

The only thing I dont like about p2 is the graphics of the story ngl

[rain isle]

People usually associate end of X story with EoS when it comes to gachas, even though it is wrong lol

[shrewd socket]

waffle of panna cotta

[limpid glacier]

They could have just said this current Arc will reach its conclusion or something 😔

[short notch]

Might as well be, all my p1 biankas are 🚮

[main goblet]

i mean they need to go through all the chapters so theyre a long way ahead
they should just avoid spoilers if that's what they're worried about

[velvet dune]

Yeah ive Seen so many doompost bc of this

[willow sonnet]

in Japanese space, a lot of people afraid even starting because they hear P1 ended

[abstract night]

Why not²?
Theres barely any content
2 events and story
For...8 to 10 weeks...

[rain isle]

That just means people can't read (shocking, I know) and jump to conclusions (shocking, I know)

[limpid glacier]

The doomposting is getting real now

[velvet dune]

Bc i dont feel like spending Money thats why

[willow sonnet]

also a lot of people never play 1.5 too

[main goblet]

i just hope p2 doesn't get shafted at the end though for the sake of nostalgia bait or whatever

[rain isle]

HSR has less content

[main goblet]

[abstract night]

Hsr is consistently usually only 6 weeks tho

[rain isle]

That doesn't make the content better

[velvet dune]

And its 5 weeks of dead Nothing

Great

[limpid glacier]

Hsr has like 2 events in the first half and the 2ne half is a desert of sadness

[supple furnace]

true most new jp players i see never start part 1.5 for some reason eventhough vita first introduction is in it

[atomic coral]

every time someone's interested in starting, they always ask if it's too late

[abstract night]

[rain isle]

I know a lot of peeps stopped after finishing p1 cause it felt like a true ending to them. Or smth.

[limpid glacier]

People r strange if I was a psychology student id like to study this behavior

[main goblet]

always

[willow sonnet]

that why I said ending part 1 is a mistake, they just need to continue it without saying it ending

[abstract night]

I started when p1 ended

[rain isle]

Ye idk how that mentality came to be. Like if you're interested in a game just play it, asking whether it is worth it or not won't do any good lmao

[limpid glacier]

They should have never even framed it like p1 p2 also 😔

[rain isle]

It is like they sour their experience by themselves in a roundabout manner

[potent forum]

p1 final was just controversial on glb

[limpid glacier]

Ahhh a child of the games divorce

[rain isle]

It could've been better for sure, but I enjoyed it a ton nonetheless

Was still epic

[limpid glacier]

Controversial and messy

[main goblet]

i guess it makes sense since p2 is shifting the focus from the p1 cast
if they didn't specify ppl would be confused
but i do agree that said mention makes people imagine all kinds of things that were never said

[limpid glacier]

I was a bit worried abt p2 but after the first few chapters it really grew on me cuz I gave it a chance with an open mind

[velvet dune]

I just Hope they actually keep their promise and keep going, we havent even gotten all the Rings????

[willow sonnet]

I think people blow it way too much
sure, it isn't the best with some messy here and there
but it is around Kolostein in term of messy

[main goblet]

i remember ppl telling me that p2 is detached from p1 despite the start literally having teri and kiana and the chapter that introduced coralie and helia

[limpid glacier]

Probably we will

[rain isle]

People always blow things out of proportion, XD

[willow sonnet]

and we not talk about the HoFi's pose

[rain isle]

It happens all the time

Heck, it happened today again XD

[main goblet]

i only did starting with sq arc lmao

[limpid glacier]

Especially in the gatcha space

[velvet dune]

There is also a certain someone who boosted this with His upload

[limpid glacier]

Now that was CRIMINAL I will always yearn for what we could have

[potent forum]

I think that's a pretty high ceiling already, I'm not necessarily talking about the ch quality though, just the reception, there was quite a few unhappy people

[rain isle]

I remember a lot of people wanting HotE etc.

Like, why?

[willow sonnet]

first 3 chapter still my favourite in P2
people really like Thelema too, it isn't like it flop or anything

[limpid glacier]

Lack of reading comprehension

[rain isle]

There's GGZ for that plz don't kill me ggz players

[limpid glacier]

I loved thelema but the chapters was text city

[rain isle]

Ooo, speaking of HotE

[shrewd socket]

Herrscher of the end by name doesn't exist

[rain isle]

Do you peeps think we'll get more PE stuff with the after story?

[supple furnace]

[willow sonnet]

• walking
• talk shadow
• walking
• talk shadow

[limpid glacier]

I doubt tho

[limpid glacier]

Im so happy they have better facial expressions and char movements later on

[shrewd socket]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HHqFcjPbAAA66OB.webp

[rain isle]

Ch1 i can definitely see why peeps don't like. Ch2 onwards was already a leap in quality however, imo

Probably a hot take idk

[limpid glacier]

Id do say they did try to improve with the issues later on but people already go their own narrative when p2 was announced and just didn't give it a try

[willow sonnet]

Chapter 1 is ok for me but it would be bad for new player with wall of text

also Thelema event is better explain her than her in main story

[limpid glacier]

Thelema event was cool

Thelema design was also so cool I really loved the shus

[rain isle]

I wish they incorporated it into the story though

XD

[willow sonnet]

^ this

[main goblet]

i had that issue yeah

[limpid glacier]

I hope after the final arc our p2 chars will live

[willow sonnet]

it should be in the story, not the long wall of text back story

[rain isle]

Like after you do ch1 the game brings you to her quest since it is between ch1 and 2 iirc

[limpid glacier]

🧍‍♂️ 🧍

[shrewd socket]

gacha players when they find out story is a VN

[rain isle]

[limpid glacier]

Ew words

[rain isle]

I'd rather play vn than open world

[limpid glacier]

[rain isle]

Open world games bore me quickly, gacha or not

[atomic coral]

"what do you mean ace attorney has words in it?"

[willow sonnet]

imagine fighting HoV as VD but with text only
oh wait

[rain isle]

[limpid glacier]

himeko dies
insert music

[steep axle]

HoV mention

[rain isle]

Omg Seewe

[desert lily]

Seewe

[limpid glacier]

Another note seele throwing hands next story

So hyped

[rain isle]

"I'm a healer, but" moment

[willow perch]

Now make her throw actual hands

Talkin HAYmakers

[willow sonnet]

remove Himeko.png
"The lifeless warrior slowly drifting away from the crumbling platform" or something

[willow perch]

[shrewd socket]

https://tenor.com/view/god-hand-inazuma-eleven-inazuma-endou-mamoru-gif-23794109

[rain isle]

Idk why that was the first thing that came to mind, but I'm lowkey glad it was

[limpid glacier]

I love how seele is sick of these sacrifices and recklessness these valkerys make

Throwing shade to many chars

[shrewd socket]

"I'm not healing you just so you can go [REDACTED]"

[main goblet]

can throwing dental gloves, mannequin hands and pointing at the enemies ominously also work?

[rain isle]

Is Seele the only character that's part of the whole game's story? As in, p1, 1.5 AND p2?

[shrewd socket]

Mei and Bronya

[willow sonnet]

was Hua appear in P2?

[shrewd socket]

Susannah

[limpid glacier]

Seele not in ahpo yet

[rain isle]

Oh yeah apho, my bad

Nvm then XD

[limpid glacier]

Broyna was technically in p1.5

[rain isle]

I don't think Mei or Bronya were part of 1.5 story

[willow sonnet]

they there for 5 minutes

[limpid glacier]

Broyna was in that final moment in the dance of life and death arc that picture

[rain isle]

Like they appeared briefly right at the end of Salt City arc but that's it iirc

[shrewd socket]

not actively but they did appear

[rain isle]

[limpid glacier]

Hmm but active characters, who is Mrs world wide

[willow sonnet]

Lamda

[main goblet]

at the tail end of it iirc

[shrewd socket]

at the end of both arcs

[rain isle]

Probably Bronya, Mei or Seele if I had to take a guess. The first two are actively taking part in p1, p2 and apho while Seele in p1, 1.5 and 2

Not sure

[limpid glacier]

Technically most of the chars were in p1.5 cuz of that end cutslscean in the fu hua arc

[willow sonnet]

probarly Bronya

Hoyo CEO

[rain isle]

Bronyaverse must expand

[shrewd socket]

tho the At the Fingertip of the Sea one was funny like

Seele: I just hope Bronya doesn't find out I pulled all this shit

Bronya: Too late.

[rain isle]

XD

oh how the tables have turned

:run:

[rain isle]

I am being so fed

[rain isle]

Omg leeks

Mod abooz plz demoot

Red Seele in 9.1 confirmed

[shrewd socket]

mot using mots pls bean

[main goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/nerdie-1300-silly-hitting-camera-leek-gif-12297039044281831165

[desert lily]

Moots abooze plz demote

[willow perch]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hatsune-miku-84

[sand falcon]

Did they clarify whether Part 3 is being made or if the games ending with 9.0?

[atomic coral]

essentially getting a part 2.5

[sand falcon]

Just like how we got 1.5 into part 2

[desert lily]

Yeah

[muted mauve]

Not what they said

[desert lily]

[willow sonnet]

they wasn't clarified but it would be shorter and no grand story like other

[feral epoch]

why are people keep saying part 2.5?

or part 3 or apho 3

[shrewd socket]

P2 story ending in 9.0, they release epilogue stories after that

i just call those a P2.5 just to give it something to remember faster

that's it rlly

[feral epoch]

okay, thank you

[rain isle]

All we know is we're still getting story after p2, in the form of after story episodes or whatever they called them

[main zenith]

I hope they are similar to older chapters, as in levels where we play the featured character itself.

[ember locust]

I'm still shocked about P2 Ending

[safe iron]

omg i jus heard the news 😭😭

[cyan badger]

That’s…what they said afaik

Language barrier and the nature of the internet did the rest

[muted mauve]

MiHoyo when announcing part 1 ending - Full animation of trio vs Kevin
MiHoyo when announcing part 2 ending - Btw there's only 2 more chapters

[cyan badger]

Oh you were talking about part 1

[cyan badger]

It was this and the 12 rings basically

It’s also kinda funny considering how in something like Star rail a whole planet doesn’t even last a year typically

[muted mauve]

they said part 2 main story ending.
then after stories / epilogues of Earth/Mars feauturing Earth-Mars cast meetings.

[nimble dirge]

I'm not sure why people are super shocked, the core of P2s story is Sena/Leylah storyline and well, there isn't really much else to say about it at this point

They also did outright say this was the "final sector" in 9 ex...

[muted mauve]

It's a shame how poorly the early statements have aged

[limpid glacier]

A mix of misinformation and people who dont even play the game

[nimble dirge]

I'm just glad they're committing(?) to wrapping up whatever mysteries are left after Difeng since there are a few

But nothing I think that could warrant a whole new arc (again, P2s core is Leylah/Sena and that's all but finished)

[limpid glacier]

Most people i spoke to outside of here that were doom posting, quit the game already

[cyan badger]

Thank you

[limpid glacier]

Only thing I expected was for it to last till 10th anni

Or the cn anni

[cyan badger]

And one of the few early statements that didn’t age bad (that being the Part 1 characters are still appearing and play a role in Part 2) kinda just got ignored by the playerbase

[limpid glacier]

Mythus is plauging hi3

[last sandal]

did not expect this news today

only today I caught up to part 2 chapter 12

[nimble dirge]

I wonder how much of that was genuine / gas lighting, not that it didn't pan out because of "not meeting expectations" or whatever but rather Hoyo purposefully saying some stuff they know wouldn't happen to play into the 3 EX twist

Since P2 as a whole was built to be a mystery rather than P1 which is a much more "straight forward" story

And well we were very much "lost" on a TON of things regarding P2 until Difeng began, when they started to give us answers and tie back to all the stuff they've setup since P2s prologue

For example I always believed that Johnkai was meant to be deleted, Hi3 is the only Hoyo game where you're not asked to pick your gender from the start, this is why for example the Senadina dance sequence doesn't have any version with the male MC in it (because you can't choose him by that point)

And you also can freely swap genders in the mirror which is also something not present within the other Hoyo titles

Additionally, I believe the AOP icon has always been female Entropy rather than both, and on top of that for advertisments (whether they be promo cutscenes, art, animations, etc) they've always only used Female Entropy rather than Male Entropy

I believe the only time they used the male MC was just for that initial art of the two together to show that you could pick a male MC

[muted mauve]

No alot of it was straight up just wrong

[nimble dirge]

That's why I'm saying it might've been on purpose

Well not that that's the best way to handle it in any case, or the right decision to have made

[muted mauve]

I think saying "oh the devs were just lying" leans on copium

[nimble dirge]

Maybe!

But there is precedent to it

I mean for starters they didn't outright just say Mars was a simulation since the start, we had to wait until 3 EX to find that out and frankly I don't believe the whole "they retconned it" idea, too much ties into itself that Hoyo would have to be the luckiest company on Earth to have made the simulation idea pan out as well as it did

[muted mauve]

It's not the simulation that is the retcon.
It is how the story flowed from there.

[nimble dirge]

I again still think that was the idea, I do understand why people for example think we skipped sectors but on the same token did they really expect us to cover all 12...??

Like I see a lot of people who expected P2 to last 7 years, just as P1 did

Did they want to wait 7 years for stuff Hoyo setup in the prologue to start getting addressed

On top of that, whether it was the right decision or not they've said multiple times they want Hi3 and HSR to be one "fused" world / storyline and that was the idea since HSRs inception (which makes sense given Welt is a main character there, unlike Genshin/ZZZ which are largely detached with some references)

So it's not like they could keep Hi3 in "2024" for 7 years, and they could never just progress past "2024" because APHO is 2026

[nimble dirge]

And I guess to directly address this, I don't think Mars is done with and that we wont ever see those other areas

I just don't think we were going to see them through the Sena/Leylah storyline, which is the "core" of P2, we can still def revisit Mars later on just with a new lens

[magic gust]

I mean… if it was all by intent, then it was straight up fake advertisement, which isn’t any better

[nimble dirge]

I did say it doesn't mean it was the best way to handle it or the right decision to make!

[last sandal]

at some point in the game you walk through the sea of data and you see all the areas and I did think to myself like damn thats a lot

[potent forum]

that wouldn't be a smart reason for holding back

also wasn't part 1 only one or two years in-game

[nimble dirge]

It is yeah, I'm saying in terms of real world time

P1 was 2 years in game but it took 7 years to complete

People wanted P2 to last 7 years as well which frankly just doesn't seem plausible to me

[limpid glacier]

I wonder what the eposides mean like dose this mean each patch will have its own story instead of one long arc

[last sandal]

yeah I cant find much on it. Its a shame they only released this information bomb in chinese and not on the english or japanese channels

[nimble dirge]

Sync us please

[limpid glacier]

Yea not even an artical

[limpid glacier]

The fact people thought p2 was gonna be 7 years.....

[muted mauve]

nothing said episodes

it said "The Story After / Epilogue"

[nimble dirge]

Exactly lol

[limpid glacier]

Translation error maybe

[nimble dirge]

This is a mistranslation I believe

[limpid glacier]

Sadge

[feral epoch]

not maybe

[limpid glacier]

So im assuming the story after will have a small time skip like a few weeks or months

[muted mauve]

Trying to finish translating but flies keep annoying me

[limpid glacier]

Poor helia and coralie in that mission for who knows how long if it was 7 years

[feral epoch]

im assuming the story after is just gonna be events like sushang, rita, badum, xdc etc

[last sandal]

google says episodes, deepl says epilogue

[nimble dirge]

Thank you for your service

[limpid glacier]

Hardworking!

Dont let seele find you overworking

[low trellis]

for me, it's better for the story to be short and sweet, than giga padded. Part2 ending can open doors as well to make the game better if they don't decide to EoS it

[last sandal]

im afraid its basically gonna be event stories something like that

[limpid glacier]

Probaly not

Im assuming its gonna be like short side story's about mars and earth, my own theory that mars gets rebuilt and stuff

[low trellis]

it can always be like 1.5 that started after p1 ended, so who knows

[limpid glacier]

For all we know, we would go to another planet

[feral epoch]

and kiana still sleep

[last sandal]

i hope but I feel like thats unlikely

[nimble dirge]

I think they were being vague to save the full details for the 10th anniversary stream since they probably don’t want to spoil how P2 will end

[muted mauve]

they kinda did

[limpid glacier]

I feel like kianna will do something in rleation to the final chapters cuz its definaly casueing the moon to be red

[nimble dirge]

Don’t think it’ll be event type stuff but rather they just wanted to let us know P2 is coming to an end but the games story will continue past that

[low trellis]

and vita still MIA as well

[feral epoch]

no

[muted mauve]

"What will Dreamseeker decide between her planet or the neighboring one"
(Profile update question callback)

"Oh btw the stories will be Earth and Mars and the cast will even meet"!

That's kinda spoiling your own story

[limpid glacier]

Yea its litrealy || spoiling that the people in mars are going gain a way to live again in the real world||

Did ever ever get information on the sky people tho

[muted mauve]

IM STILL ONLY HALFWAY?!

[nimble dirge]

This is fair

Tbh my biggest question is how they’ll ||deal with the characters being real now(?) if that’s really the path they take since while we do know the events we saw on Mars generally did happen, Songque for example has no idea who Entropy/rest are, same w/Chenxue, Youyun, etc||

[muted mauve]

They can do a Amphoreus

[limpid glacier]

Theres so much questions also like what about the people that already died ?

[low trellis]

please no

[nimble dirge]

And well Hoyo does care about this idea to an extent given when Elysia met Mei in Finality she didn’t know who she was, same with Adult Griseo and Mei

They didn’t magically just act like those two knew everything their ER counterparts did, even had a whole thing where Mei recited her story to Elysia

[shrewd socket]

so... revive mars?

[rain isle]

The way I see it, is that the after story stuff will help clear things up (and clear the board for the devs if that makes sense) while writers try to set up future stuff.

[limpid glacier]

Also to maybe relate p2 to ahpo?

[rain isle]

I could be way off the mark for all I know, but it seems like a good guess at least.

[nimble dirge]

||Well the moon is turning red so…||

[rain isle]

Ye that's what I meant by setting up future stuff

[limpid glacier]

Oh yea

[ember locust]

Huh ?

Where ?

[shrewd socket]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-zeztz-nox-kensei-odaka-nox-knight-gif-7074022294483320488

[nimble dirge]

Go look at the trailer

[rain isle]

Setting up for apho, HSR connections (feeling so-so about this one) etc.

[limpid glacier]

Trailer

[rain isle]

I got on other social media for less than 10 minutes to see opinions about the news. I regretted wasting those 10 minutes.

[nimble dirge]

[rain isle]

The definition of instant regret

[low trellis]

most people are just doomposting

[limpid glacier]

From my conclusion its mostly people who bearly even play the game thats mostly doomy

[ember locust]

💀 So basically we're going directly to Sky's People invasion of Earth directly huh

After that

[nimble dirge]

Well they did say we’d get stories to tie up the mystery’s of earth and mars so

[limpid glacier]

It seems more that something from p2 is makeing the moon red

Probaly the invasion of the system into the real world? But well have to see

[untold marsh]

moons been turning red since the p2 prologue chapter before they weven went to mars

[limpid glacier]

Wow i never realised

[ember locust]

They definitely could though 💀

[ember locust]

Ok wow now it's weirder than I thought 💀

[nimble dirge]

I do have a feeling 9.2/9.3 will be directly connected to APHO since well

Teri got DLC in 8.7, Bronya got DLC in 8.8 and DLC = new unit (Kiana/Ely/Seele)

Additionally, Xentinel has a locked skill called “Everlasting Protection” and Lunar Vow (who got DLC w/Xentinel) has a skill called “In the Name of Protection”

And well, they’ve done Kiana for GLB 8, Mei GLB 9, pretty sure Bronya will be GLB 10 which is 9.3

Finally, Teri got DLC first so I can’t imagine her new unit not coming first as well

[limpid glacier]

Full embraced Finality kianna 👀

[nimble dirge]

The final line of APHO 2 is also Teri saying “I’m coming to St Fountain to help”

So I’m sure that they’ll probably do a “prequel” story from Theresa’s POV similar to the Carole story that led into APHO 2 from APHO 1s ending

[limpid glacier]

What if she comes and her back up has some of the p2 chars

[nimble dirge]

[limpid glacier]

We are Honkai

[nimble dirge]

My crack theory is that they’ll just do what ZZZ did and have both Entropy and Adam be MCs for 3 onwards with Entropy being the “female” option and Adam being the “male” option similar to Wise/Belle

[ember locust]

There is no way 9.3 will be anniversary.

We're already almost in june. In literally 2 patchs we're in october

[nimble dirge]

9.1 is CN 10

9.3 is GLB 10

[limpid glacier]

And Adam just being story playable

[nimble dirge]

9.1 should happen in Oct(?) for CN which is their 10th anni, with 9.3 being early 2027 (which is GLB 10)

[edgy sky]

Can confirm that

[ember locust]

Alright. But how can you affirm Bronya will be 10th Anniv ?

[nimble dirge]

Not confirming it’s based on Kiana being GLB 8 and Mei being GLB 9

In addition Bronya just got DLC

And DLC = new unit as seen with Kiana/Elysia/Seele

[willow sonnet]

bascially prediction of new year battlesuit

[ember locust]

So why the "will" ?

[nimble dirge]

At this point there’s so much pointing to a new Bronya that I’d be flabbergasted if they didn’t do that

[limpid glacier]

Alot of people r speculating that we will have a duo realse patch

[nimble dirge]

I mean they did Version Kiana, as well as a dual S patch w/DuraRita back in 5.x, on top of P2 launch having Sena + Coralie + Helia

[limpid glacier]

Meis passive could definitely be saved for a new kianna

[ember locust]

Then you would notice the DK pattern.

There's Luna before Bronya.

And until now, that pattern turned out to be true

[nimble dirge]

I’m guessing they’ll do Kiana + CoW Sena

[nimble dirge]

I did address that!

[nimble dirge]

[stable charm]

So basically nothing has changed since the start of part 2 lmao

[wild plaza]

So 2 more Patches and Part 2 is over ?

[limpid glacier]

The main story of p2 but it will have an epoluge after story

[wild plaza]

Wonder what that would be

Would be nice to see more of the Past Heroes of Mars

A bit unfortunately honestly. I was expecting we'd get more Astral Rings gameplay

They're fun

[smoky lintel]

I mean one doesn't exclude the other

They never really cared about ring release order in contracts to the story, it's nothing more than a gameplay mechanic for them

If they want they'll release more

[limpid glacier]

The rings will likely continue

[wild plaza]

Sure hope so

[muted mauve]

wait did glb never get the Dreamseeker profile update?

[nimble dirge]

You mean where it mentions her being data based?

[limpid glacier]

I think we did

[muted mauve]

translation done. Time to finish editing.

[shrewd socket]

how good is WoP (new Seele) in LoA?

[frozen cobalt]

So where is it before p2 end

[ivory trout]

Idt we get new Teri just based on that pattern since the one get DK is Luna, not main story Teri.

But tbh if it's indeed Teri, I interested is her weapon type would be back to Cross or still the same one with Eepy Teri

[ember locust]

The same happened for Elysia

And what we got was NOT the original Elysia

[ivory trout]

oh yeah true I forgot

[ember locust]

So anything can happen now

[ivory trout]

yeah indeed

But based on pattern also, the new Teri would be with Cross or chained Blade? I lowkey want to see Judah back so Cross, but let's see

Teri AOP does use Judah tho, but I want it back for valk Teri

[ember locust]

That I can't answer, depends on which Teri version can release and also depends on if we will get another one or not

[noble cobalt]

I wonder if they're going to release a new combat system that's seperate from astral ring

after 9.0 at least

If they're gonna do APHO3 now it wouldnt make any sense for the APHO3 units to be using the martian astral rings

[limpid glacier]

I doubt

[ivory trout]

Perhaps just connect Moon Ring to be usable with existing Astral Rings

I mean APHO 2 combat is kind of similar with P2 combat system

Lyle is even the proto AstralOP combat wise

[noble cobalt]

Well there's 3 things they could probably do

[limpid glacier]

They can also make a moon ring type like the diffrent rings as a diffrent astral ring

But again I doubt they make a new system

[noble cobalt]

-go back to part 1 teambuilding with elemental DPS and support units

-just keep using astral ring as the combat system

-make a new system that is basically identical to astral ring but with a different name

[muted mauve]

don't you dare crash

[ivory trout]

Hopefully not the first one

[limpid glacier]

They will prob just keep the astral ring

[ivory trout]

They probably gonna keep Astral Ring but new specialization gonna be under Moon Ring instead lore wise

Kinda like Stellar Key that lore wise is non sense from another civilization but Silverwing DK flavor text is man made weapon from earth

[noble cobalt]

The game is probably going into maintenance mode so they probably dont have the resources to make a new combat system

So yeah they'll probably just keep astral ring and add in a lore reason for APHO3 units to be able to use them

[short notch]

I like the astral ring system keep it hoyo :((

[limpid glacier]

But I do feel like they would just keep the astral rings cuz I mean like event valks who might now even now the astral rings exist use the system cough hi love elf

[ivory trout]

Luna 👀

[molten coyote]

hi3 eos

[ivory trout]

And Sporkle

[limpid glacier]

Hohe, sushang, sparkle

[molten coyote]

is the cn translation right? do they really say part 2 will end? with these words?

[noble cobalt]

So basically if 9.0 is another part 1 character

that means Leylah and Sena SP aren't coming

[molten coyote]

i think theyre gonna be released as a last tribute to p2 if they're truly ending it

[limpid glacier]

Main story of p2 is ending and we will get an epolouge type story's after words, how long? Only ai chan knows

[molten coyote]

i hope so ive been waiting for herrscher sena since p1 debut

its been 2 years

[limpid glacier]

So p2 isnt truly fully done technically

[molten coyote]

yeah i seen the post but im legit hoping it was translated wrong and that tl is just being reposted everywhere

[limpid glacier]

Communication error obviously happens allot w this game

[noble cobalt]

The thing is, the current hi3 playerbase is mostly people that like/are netural about part 2 most of the people who hated p2 quit the game already

[molten coyote]

hyv tryna get those who hate them instead of cherishing those who like them

[nimble dirge]

Probably for CN 10 just like how P1 documentary came out when P1 finished

TBH idrk why they announced this documentary so early to begin with

[molten coyote]

yall think we'll get an animated short to finish things off with a bang

[nimble dirge]

P1 was a retrospective on the past 6 years and the various ups, downs, and thoughts behind the development

So P2 getting one announced before it even launched was ???

But I can see it releasing now that it's ending

[nimble dirge]

I believe for 1.5 they outright said there wouldn't be any animated shorts, whereas they never said this for P2 so

Believe in that

[limpid glacier]

Doubt imo

[untold marsh]

why probably?

[molten coyote]

all the good devs went to hsr

[molten coyote]

prob cuz this is a 10yo game (almost)

[limpid glacier]

I dont think they even went to hsr tbh

[nimble dirge]

I'd really like one for the ending though, there's a ton of things they could do with it at this point

[noble cobalt]

They probably diverted devs to the other hoyoverse projects

[nimble dirge]

Whether it be the story of Sena, Mars as a whole, Entropys arc from Oxia -> Difeng, etc

[limpid glacier]

Hoyo is haveing lots of projects now and alot of attention is probaly gonna go to nexus

[untold marsh]

there has been no announcement to shut down the game though, they just announced that part 2's main story is ending, which the main plot has obviously been winding down since 9EX so if they wanted to extend that they'd have to invent some new thing to detour from the main plot tbh

[untold marsh]

i dont see what the age has to do with the game speculatively going into maintaince mode

[molten coyote]

well i guess cuz its a less popular game amongst the youth

they dont even advertize it anymore

on real life merch stands theres hsr gi and zzz but hi3 is dead rotting nowhere to be found

also this is a competitive gacha not really a casual one

[nimble dirge]

Not turning this into a game vs game thing, but I think Hi3's team is amongst their best

I'm always very impressed and pleased with the production value of the story, Ch 12 in particular was really good

A lot of in engine cutscenes, the boss fights are great, the CGs have nice psuedo-animation to them, etc

Whereas HSR (since you mentioned it) is just 🧍‍♂️

They've gotten better but it's still really poor presentation

[molten coyote]

ye

[nimble dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/caelus-gif-honkai-gif-trailblazer-gif-honkai-honkai-star-rail-gif-15876377470776607298

[limpid glacier]

There are still ads and merch stands although not as big it dose exist

[untold marsh]

it is less popular but im still confused what that has to do with maintainence mode, that or we're thinking of different things when we say maintainence mode

[nimble dirge]

They for example LOVE this animation

[noble cobalt]

I feel like the hi3 devs think that we all hate part 2 when most of us either like it or are fine with it lmao

[molten coyote]

what is your definition of maint mode

[molten coyote]

real

[magic gust]

it’s gonna be maintained despite p2 final

[limpid glacier]

Dont forget the black screen

[untold marsh]

little to no content updates or patch updates at all of any kind for significant parts of the year. whats yours?

[nimble dirge]

Yep

[molten coyote]

they lurk in this discord and everytime someone says i hate this game while malding abyss they add +1 to the "should we eos?" voting poll

[nimble dirge]

I also think Hi3s maps are pretty fantastic, they aren't as big as Genshins maps sure and they aren't as full of minigames/stuff to do, but visually they're very nice

I really like Difengs various maps for example

They're all nicely designed and very pretty

[untold marsh]

it should, the only announcement today was the expected near end of the p2 main story

[limpid glacier]

I doubt hi3 would even eos, tears of themis is also a less popular hoyo game yet it still stands

[noble cobalt]

I still think they're gonna do version updates every 9 weeks, I just think they'll have slightly less content/we might start getting more updates with no new valk

[nimble dirge]

I also really enjoy how they've tried to properly capture Mars as being an "Alien World" with a hexagon barrier in the sky, all these moons, weird trees/flora/fauna, blue grass, etc etc

[molten coyote]

diverting company resources (devs) elsewhere leaving the game with less updates and content, kind of like running itself on the background, you know?
its pretty much the same

[limpid glacier]

The dragon place omw so pretty

[nimble dirge]

Which is again, something I can't say for HSR that just threw us into a regular city

[nimble dirge]

Yep! I also really like the fractured sky and how it animates and such

Very cool

[untold marsh]

That's very different from the industry standard term of maintenance mode

What your describing is just some shuffling of company resources to better support more profitable projects

[molten coyote]

yeah idt it will really eos, i just dont really know what they'll do if they "end p2"

[limpid glacier]

I wished we had the other p2 bosses so I could see the stages more in abyss

[nimble dirge]

Yep

[ivory trout]

Hopefully just APHO 3

[untold marsh]

ah well i mean they already said what the story is going to do so you dont have to wonder too much

[limpid glacier]

Again part 2 isnt technically ended for now we are getting an epolouge p2.5 then prob apho

[magic gust]

letting people chill around in P2 with chibis
-# imagine

[nimble dirge]

I hope with whatever new phase Hi3 is heading into they start to take advantage of all the new bosses/maps/etc

Everytime I fight Litost or even now Rice Cake I get reminded of how pretty the game has become

Because they're properly on new maps and such

[molten coyote]

oh ok my bad xd
i was going off of when people say they're low maint, so that means they dont need to be tend to that often right?

[limpid glacier]

Waitng for the nahralab boss and perception please hoyo dont give me another tank

[nimble dirge]

[untold marsh]

oh yeah the general internet public very much incorrectly uses things terms like maintenance mode, or has been yelling that hi3 is going to eos ever since halfway through part 1 so i wouldnt just trust everything you hear

[limpid glacier]

Every patch hi3 is gonna eos i hear

[nimble dirge]

Hi3 is doing fairly well all things considered in terms of revenue / player base, people just don't think that because of how absurdly popular/profitable Genshin/etc are

There're a lot of games that're much newer making much less than Hi3 does

[molten coyote]

If hi3 has a million fans, then i am one of them. if hi3 has ten fans, then i am one of them. if hi3 has only one fan then that is me. if hi3 has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. if the world is against hi3, then I am against the world.

[nimble dirge]

With much smaller playerbases

[magic gust]

don’t wanna throw coal into the EoS oven, but the concern is not entirely baseless either

[limpid glacier]

Even when a game like hsr isnt in the top 3 people say it gonna eos

[ivory trout]

Genshin, HSR, and ZZZ yeah

[untold marsh]

But yeah what maintainence mode means is also called end of active development and is also called putting a live service game on "life support" as in a permanent state of being playable, but all updates are recycled old events, minimal bug fixes and little to usually no new features/content until the game shuts down

[nimble dirge]

I think it's mainly just because of the extended patch cycles + silence but well, HSR had one extended patch cycle and immediately addressed it on top of shortening 4.1 to compensate so

The fact that they haven't addressed it yet just to me says they can't for some reason, so hopefully the 10th anni clears up a lot of stuff (and maybe P2s documentary if they release it)

[molten coyote]

i dont even play any other gachas so if i were to quit hi3/eos id have no idea what to do with the remaining 4-6h of my day

[untold marsh]

I will say that if smaller or less popular hoyo projects are any indication as long as the game can keep funding its own updates it will

[magic gust]

classics which inspired it

[vale granite]

Can always pick up a competitive FPS and lose your hair there

[molten coyote]

yea ill play ggz

[limpid glacier]

Litrealy, as I said tears of themis is still alive and it is the most forgotten title

[molten coyote]

true ill take my "i hate this game" elsewhere

[nimble dirge]

I think if the game was really doing as bad as people make it out to be, they'd just have gone Oxia -> Difeng and then APHO 3

[potent forum]

I think I'd count it as maintenance if the patch length was increased to 4 months with the same amount of content

[nimble dirge]

Heck I've seen plenty of gacha that won't even do that much

[ivory trout]

Tbh they know that because the leaks + controversy outside games tho

[nimble dirge]

They just flat out shutdown the game without bothering to conclude anything

[untold marsh]

concerns are justified for sure, I do say though that over the years i've heard valid concerns be used as eos fuel for many reasons with hi3 so i tend to be much more skeptical/business oriented about eos claims xD

[molten coyote]

i used to think apho3 is such a stupid idea to hope for this late into the game but knowing hi3 devs anyt is possible

[untold marsh]

and the one with the best da wei :3

[molten coyote]

theyre gonna announce HoO dkey + apho3

trio's 2nd rewind

[nimble dirge]

Or we stopped getting new Valks altogether

[limpid glacier]

I wonder for ahpo if they gonna realse a new type

[magic gust]

I try to be “realistic”
-# in the sense of: “are there reasons to suspect X?” “yeah, there are even though I wouldn’t like it”

[nimble dirge]

8.8 was relatively light but we still got a big boss fight, probably the best "produced" chapter in the game thus far, as well as DLC + AOP and a skin

[noble cobalt]

People think that the APHO3 means we're just gonna get the trio back and everything gonna be great but the trio members dont really have any more character development to do LMAO

[nimble dirge]

And well said AOP also had the most work out of them all given she gets little fun emojis and such

[limpid glacier]

And kianna is still on the moon

[nimble dirge]

Not really my idea of "maintenance mode"

[molten coyote]

not the captain of apho3 being veliona

[molten coyote]

didnt stop them for the past year

[untold marsh]

I wanted to use the word realistic instead of skeptical/business oriented but i was afraid of sounding high and mighty in my sentance , but yeah there are valid concerns, but knowing the history of the company if trends follow trends then as long as hi3 can pay for itself then it'll keep getting updates

[molten coyote]

when they announced in story kiana was stuck in a dream i thought "yay" but then the patch after they released hfi dkey

[potent forum]

though maybe this is a better definition, perhaps it's just semantics

[magic gust]

yeah, I also put the world “realistic” in the quotes there, cause I actually don’t like using it, cause it always comes of as arrogant, but just nothing else came to mind

has a bit of “I drew everyone else as a wojak” energy

[untold marsh]

it can be, i just stick to what the live service industry companies mean when they say maintainence mode personally but as long as everyones ideas are being communitcated it matters little what words we use to communicate them. I mainly just try to educate people so that misunderstandings are minimized

but as long as we're all on the same page thats all that matters

[untold marsh]

yeah you get it

[nimble dirge]

I would also add that the game is improving FWIW, Mei had a fancy background that previously only gacha skins got (and well, Mei's was also a lot better than those skins backgrounds were)

Her ult was also pretty long and well rendered / animated, same with HLE's skin which entirely redid her ult (not just recolor, it was completely reanimated/etc), same w/her various effects and such

And of course we have the big fancy maps which I'd say are much better than Ruimus, Tower of Ruimu was extremely small (although I liked it) same w/Hyperion 11

Difengs various areas have way more going on with them both visually and in terms of scale

Textures and modeling has also gotten better, I love Seele's new model it's great (her coloring in particular is really nice, I love how emphasized blue is on her)

Rita's clothing is also really nice, a lot of people commenting that it looks more akin to proper "fabric"

[limpid glacier]

Story's are also still getting dynamic expressions and movements too