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[steady osprey]

btw i notice he has farther camera/fov

than me

[boreal eagle]

the stage is bugged sometimes it zooms a bit if u close abyss and reopen it fixes

[vernal terrace]

[steady osprey]

[lime grail]

[steady osprey]

i thought it was bcs of the bigger gaming chair
though

[vernal terrace]

Kek

[spiral raven]

its all for timing so the second sequence on coralie with the evade lines up such that they can get refresh , but qte also works, depends on what they do on coralie after, some does 5 a jump into a full sequence, and stuff.

there's tf on helia's qte and maybe it mess it up for their rot. though i just kept mine on.

o ye, just saw, then nvm

afterall, you get the refresh during the ice rain by doing two evades

you can still do helia qte and stuff like that, its just your timings and stuff will be slightly different

and this means that you might not get the refresh

though your timing is also affected by how early vita ult hits

ideally before hp bar shows up you ult, and then text appears while you watch the animation

[vernal terrace]

806 feels low with S2+1 FDD S0+1 PAWS SSS+3 VBm SS Chenxue

[spiral raven]

probs is

[vernal terrace]

Might need to change my rot

[spiral raven]

do 2 ring

[vernal terrace]

What I have been doing

Should I get three stack with VBm or too slow ?

[spiral raven]

the start?

2

[vernal terrace]

Just WA twice then switch to PAWS?

[spiral raven]

yes

[vernal terrace]

End SO early or get the second stack?

[spiral raven]

early one stack

can do 4a after first stack then ult if you need more dmg

so out of ring you can weap ult

and then the rest depends on the hp of the enemy

u can just do a jump/a eva

[vernal terrace]

This would be over kill

[spiral raven]

d diff then yea

[spiral raven]

do one stack and end asap

[vernal terrace]

520 is NA

[spiral raven]

oh 13d gap

[vernal terrace]

I can feel the diff from last time HoIce ran

[spiral raven]

anyways close ring sooner so you can fit a enhanced wa

and ig u don't need to refresh to kill then?

[vernal terrace]

The enhanced WA after ending SO early ends P1

[spiral raven]

then you can still do a couple evades at least so then time vbm jump wep to proc drain, proc drain on helia, and then SO as early as you can ig

[spiral raven]

that's fine prob, u got drain?

[vernal terrace]

Yes

I get SO back when the first bar is a bit low in P2

[spiral raven]

do you kill without refresh or,
also its fine to start ring late but still being fully buffed, if within ring don't kill anyways

[vernal terrace]

Refreshing buffs?

[spiral raven]

so you know how after boss does ice rain

she leaves crystals on the field and you can kill it and gives up to 3 stack of buff

im saying do you kill while that is up

in nirb and stuff she too tanky, so you do a trick to extend the duration

[vernal terrace]

Close
I slivered on one run

[frigid onyx]

anyone have ref vid for HLE on SA without chenxue

[spiral raven]

ok well then yea, rot should be fairly straightforward then?
just try to time buff as early as u can in p2, i still don't know exactly when you get ring, but if you sliver and suppose that when you ring'd u did not get the three stack buffs, then you could do it slightly later

[vernal terrace]

Think the breath breaks the crystals.

[spiral raven]

that timing is fine then

ig if you do sliver then its time to spam a jump or a eva

[vernal terrace]

[spiral raven]

oh btw there's like 15 evades you can do? so u could try to do those evades

so you can skip vbm drain

[dusky mantle]

I see

[boreal eagle]

so refresh on the buff is not rng? i saw a run without the evades before AO

[spiral raven]

no

is fixed

evades make it more consistent ig

[rare iris]

tf does messes with the 2nd crystal timing, it gets delayed cause boss is one of those with mechanics that's prone to tf

tf from wa can be turned off, while qte can't

main problem for high ranks kekw

[spiral raven]

i see, maybe its rot then? i didnt really notice a diff with it on or off

tried both doing the qte and weap ult

but ig the only thing matters is whatever works for u

[boreal eagle]

gotta test with same identical rot first off then on

[spiral raven]

yea i did before

[boreal eagle]

for me works only with the evade before AO

qte on

[spiral raven]

yeah i tried runs without the evade but i didnt get it off at all lol

idk how that works

only evade before ring works for me too

[boreal eagle]

probably without evade is only rare rng and with evade 100%

[spiral raven]

[round arch]

u cant do it without evading or delaying a little

[spiral raven]

he said he saw refs or something that dindt do it

oh yeah probs the delay/slight pause then nvm

[boreal eagle]

i saw this https://b23.tv/xCSRiFu

no evade

[spiral raven]

yea

[round arch]

as I said, its either u evade for tf and save 1-2 points or just delay a little where u can get 1 more hit

but main thing is u need to delay a bit

theres timings

[spiral raven]

yes but i rmb doing something like an extra hit and i couldnt get it,

[round arch]

really depends tho, if u start early u can do 1 breath skip and if u get a hit off can do full breath skip. Depends on dmg and how much u need xD

[round arch]

xD well didnt work for me either

[spiral raven]

i dont even do any skips xd

[round arch]

dunno

[spiral raven]

im so low dmg i dont kill even with delayed refresh

[round arch]

xD 558 with S0 is cancer

[spiral raven]

full s0+1

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834003548014379009/1344295703064612936/1139561526898991194.gif

[round arch]

hope u retain

[spiral raven]

idk what to say to u tho, hope t50 ig

[round arch]

so many s2 and sync coras and not to mention, shes so easy to play

[edgy hamlet]

Is Helia supposed to have anything turned off this abyss?

[spiral raven]

u can have her tf on wa turned off

if u doing the wa ult and it messes ur refresh timing

[edgy hamlet]

This one right?

[spiral raven]

yes

[edgy hamlet]

Ok thank you

I wasted like an hour last time figuring out where I was losing 10 points out of nowhere so I thought I should ask first lmao

[spiral raven]

the turning on and off tf only really affects whether you can consistently get the refresh or not?

probs something else if ur losing 10 points

[edgy hamlet]

No it was during a previous abyss, I forgot which one

[spiral raven]

oh

ig benares with helia ult at the start

[edgy hamlet]

I think that was the one lol

Does anybody know how to do this weird repeated attack at 2:11? I tried following the description but it doesnt work at all.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1bLrMBzEiE/

[spiral raven]

a jump a jump a eva a eva a

its like

vita 2a jump

same thing

[edgy hamlet]

Like am I supposed to do it quick? It seem like Im just missing my attacks

[spiral raven]

u are

u can stop when u see the dmg goes off

just a bit slow if u alr see the dmg goes off probs

[edgy hamlet]

Ok Ill try slowing down. Vita's basic cancels are so much more forgiving 😭

[spiral raven]

well there's like a bigger diff for vita's basic cancel doing well vs bad cuz of it lol

but idk, if that is actually the case here

anyways its actually pretty easy once u got the hang of it

the vid ur watching actually does it bit slow

[edgy hamlet]

Wow ok idk how I never stumbled upon this tech before but now I know

[spiral raven]

its been here since like

day 1

[edgy hamlet]

[spiral raven]

well chances are

others also too lazy to do it or something

so ur fine

[edgy hamlet]

yeah probably. I think 766 is retainable

[spiral raven]

[swift osprey]

I got Rita espionage but somehow it feels like she's worse than Elysia love elf

It's just an impression or is it like that

[open bone]

HLE is probably a little better overall, or significantly more of an improvement if you already say had ranked trio with dkey, but probably most of the difference is what supports you have or her being more difficult to play

or what your cope options are in general

for instance if you had paws paws can cope on Rita weather better than she can cope on HLE weather

whereas if you have 2 symbiosis supports and no HSS supports that would also be a reason HLE might feel better

[vernal bronze]

anyone know how critical damage multipliers work and factor into damage?

[vernal terrace]

Oh wait, were you not asking for this?

[vernal bronze]

nope, this is what i wanted

[vernal terrace]

Alright

[vernal bronze]

[vernal terrace]

[cunning gull]

hi can someone explain to me why do i see some ppl doing this with arc fdd?:
qte or 4 basics > weapon > 4 basics > ult > weapon > repeat
also the basic jump(?) spam thingy

[crude cloak]

Basic jump spam is for a quick burst of damage if needed

Does the former sequence happen in P2 by any chance

Could be related to the icicle mechanic

[cunning gull]

yup

[cunning gull]

i mean that one u wanna wait a bit to get 3 stacks and then use ur big dmg right?

[obtuse lintel]

How cooked am I for todays abyss? 🗿

[quasi pier]

no built sirin either?

[obtuse lintel]

[quasi pier]

yeah it's kinda cooked

best i can think of is trying to brute force with vita dps

[obtuse lintel]

[quasi pier]

maybe using hofi basic attack to ignite then using vita to dps

[obtuse lintel]

At 531D?

[quasi pier]

like I said, it's kinda cooked

[obtuse lintel]

Not even gonna try ig

[copper escarp]

dunno if this fits this channel, but how do i get past this barrier in Kolosten?

[craggy plume]

From the other side, you need to come up from the church

[crude cloak]

Yeah, they're probably doing it so they can keep the buff up for longer

Cuz the enhanced WA will clear all the icicles

[thick aspen]

its just black magic to not delay the boss at wrong time

ewep has sus ani after all

and time fracture too if you didnt turn it off

[boreal eagle]

and if u turn everything off is too fast

trash boss

[lament prairie]

do any events have dailies/timegates

aside from the streaming mei one

[open bone]

technically the autochess one has daily rewards

but thats only if you want to clear the shop

[lament prairie]

Nah I just want the essentials like new skins or wtv

[open bone]

yeah then just mei

[mint plover]

you "need" to do 10 tries to get luna, but its not required

you can do other events

[lament prairie]

usually there's 5 quests right and we only have to do 4

[half hatch]

yeah, the quest for luna isnt timegated though because you can just do 10 machtes b2b

it's a bit lengthy though lmao

[weak drum]

you can just afk the matches so there’s that atleast

[spiral raven]

from the sound of it its the setup of the refresh, because you would want ring to proc buff instead and there no mention of ring

then once in ring you can choose when you wanna do the big wa to refresh it

so u can do 5 a jumps or a weap first into full basics

[spiral raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267065291368566806/1401188988957491310/1352732798737186977.webp

[quaint saffron]

https://youtu.be/Lq9g244tsTg?si=IRw-_1qQH52mQTrL

Just wanna share a ref for the current abyss boss, maybe someone needs one that uses Songque as the astral OP instead of Chenxue. ~

[fair dock]

does anyone have a reference video for this 0-second kill lineup in memorial arena. i always do it 1-second

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ehf4U7PMg shouldn't be much different from any other boss that uses that team

[fair dock]

nice. thank you.

[elfin parrot]

• SI can also be substituted for RC in some cases
• this video makes SI do a basic after her ult to trigger paganini M. In the case of your screenshot where there isn't paganini m this can be skipped.
• Note not having SnS' signature means you do miss out on a chunky phys buff. I don't recognize HoV for being too tanky though. Main issue is if she chooses to heal or bring up her anti phys mechanics before you can finish her off
• Maybe trigger TA's WA immediately as she swaps in so her QTE damage benefits from avogadro M
• edit: any swap cd reducing elf is fine. Durandal and Bunny are just more relevant for phys but again this is prob overkill

[iron mesa]

Kallen cycle?

[elfin parrot]

no. This is SS HoV this week

[iron mesa]

😩

[spiral raven]

he'll be fine without sig on carolie

[elfin parrot]

ty for the confirm

[fair dock]

i did it. thanks again

[elfin parrot]

[verbal axle]

isnt ai chan supposed to play music?

ah sorry, the ai chan bot on this discord

[elfin parrot]

#discord-feedback is prob the place to report that

but yeah i believe it's supposed to. Good of you to clarify. This channel is more for ingame stuff

[dusky mantle]

I see..

[rare iris]

https://youtu.be/JbhLCcaXNfk :weirjj:

[boreal eagle]

[edgy hamlet]

that thumbnail makes me want to cry

[rare iris]

Rip, I accidentally deleted the explanation vid.

I added PS instead in description

[vernal terrace]

[boreal eagle]

rip scientific vod

[mint plover]

@lament prairie

[lament prairie]

i KNOWWW i WAS COOKING

Caps lock why u do this

[mint plover]

[vernal terrace]

[digital sky]

Whatd u make

[quasi pier]

a meal

[digital sky]

Crazy

[dusky mantle]

MA and ER time

[lament prairie]

fried rice but I only had a small amount of soy sauce left so now it just tastes like red pepper which isn't too bad but still not great

[digital sky]

I want fried rice..

[vernal terrace]

This coming week's MA is gonna be a bit tricky for me

[mortal jetty]

You will slack anyway

[vernal terrace]

Double IMG boss is pain

Might have to LoA on flower

Then PAWS or HLE on Otto

[lament prairie]

eh good enough

[vernal terrace]

Not bad actually

[lament prairie]

are these s2 players playing with their feet or something

I expected a lot more at 800 or closer

[vernal terrace]

[dusky mantle]

can finally try

SSS HoS strats in MA

[lament prairie]

slackinator

[dusky mantle]

brick powers

ok ER Time

nice

[normal cloak]

Exalted MA Refs for 02/10/2026 - 02/15/2026 [Invite Link Here if channels are unknown](#💁gameplay-help message)
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[dusky mantle]

ah shit

double IMG

[boreal eagle]

mobs abyss

[vernal terrace]

Yep

[finite barn]

augh i cant get a full fdd basic sequence in before SO runs out again

idk what im doing wrong... im not touching any buttons during the initial breath thing

[cunning gull]

can you record it?

[finite barn]

dont mind me being in agony i forgot several abysses in a row lmao
i don't need the tech to promote again i just couldn't do it last time an fdd boss came around either and i wanna figure it out for when it IS relevant

WAIT I GOT IT

augh apparently it was fps issue.... setting to 120 even tho i dont ever actually reach 120 did the trick

i will have to remember this for next time

[foggy vapor]

Is it worth the effort to do the stress tests for the rewards or just a do them for fun if you want kinda thing?

[quasi pier]

each one gives you a pull if you do the last stage so yeah it's worth it

[cunning gull]

it is fps reliant as u need 120 fps
i have an unstable 120 fps so i can't do it
make sure u only skipped the second breath because if you skipped 2 breath ure not doing the tech but ull get the timing right

[finite barn]

huh

i was told to not press breath at all...

like, months ago

[spiral raven]

just less dmg and less time if not holding

but its not always better to do it anyways

[elfin parrot]

yeah you may opt to skip it for speed, to have more outburst time to do something else later, damage control, or in this case i guess you can think of it as some kind of timing control

[dusky mantle]

time to die

[lapis raven]

or to prevent the breath from breaking crystals for hois case

[spiral raven]

shouldnt need to skip breath to not break it though

[lapis raven]

i had to skip 2 to not break

if i did 1234 it breaks, 134 doesnt

but yea defo no need to fully skip it

[elfin parrot]

i don't think it outright prevents it? or do you mean going faster so it transpires before the crystals are breakable?

well anyway HoI is such a specific case that we shouldn't have to focus on this so much now that it's over for now

what's more important imo is covering general ideas on when to skip the hold or not for food for thought down the road

[spiral raven]

basically i think thats what he tryna say, first breath proc it once, then get rest of the breath out before it procs again maybe

or he just procs it on 4 idk

i rmb proccing it once on first breath, and then seeing it got immediately refreshed in the next breath

but other than that, i either get it on the wa later or not see the refresh at all

[elfin parrot]

yeah that's what i'm kinda figuring... which just sounds like controling the timing of when the buff happens

but once the crystals are spawned, they are triggered on hit, and the non held breath isn't exempted from this trigger condition

i didn't get to do this fight too seriously this cycle so maybe my understanding of this has gone too flimsy

[boreal eagle]

Paul explained it in #🎮honkai-chat yesterday

it makes sense to me now

basically is positioning u move during the icicles fall with wa and 1/2 evades to let a single icicle fall so far away that the breath can't destroy it

(because icicles aims at you )

[spiral raven]

yea thats what was theorised since at least last cycle no

but still don't help explain the delay

[elfin parrot]

kyoshiro's video thumbnail kinda shows the positioning aspect of this attack too

but yeah no this isn't what we're talking about. What we are talking about does assumes the later crystals falling into range even during the breath attack. It's just it opts for a very specific timing such that you do a good amount of hits before the later crystals spawn, and effectively extends the buff uptime

[boreal eagle]

the delay is to let the far away icicle fall on the ground

other than this i have no idea i thought was black magic at the beginning

[elfin parrot]

well yes you do need to let the crystal spawn eventually to actually hit it

but what we're talking about isn't really about position manipulation to begin with

[boreal eagle]

doing breath too soon isn't efficient to utilize the buff anyways

[elfin parrot]

if we're talking about actual optimal then that moves away from the topic of understanding the mechanics in the first place

[elfin parrot]

this is kinda what started this

then we funneled too much into the HoI case and how the breath holding or not holding can affect it

[boreal eagle]

for me was the same holding half holding or not holding at all

[elfin parrot]

i vaguely want to say it's a very fine difference in timing for the different crystals spawning which is why some strats trigger FDD's evade skill and various sus ani attacks during that point to try to exaggerate this small difference?

but maybe i'm completely off about the entire thing

it's entirely possible the timing difference i'm referring to doesn't actually exist and whatever i'm thinking of was just lucky positioning (every old video i'm finding are just refreshing after the breath attack so i may have misremembered)

[craggy patrol]

Is the bottom of RL the same as the top of RL in terms of what players I get paired with?

[elfin parrot]

yes

[craggy patrol]

Great, then I might have a chance

[elfin parrot]

the only difference is that being at the bottom means you can drop down to agony 3 while being at the top means you can promote into nirvana

[craggy patrol]

Depending on what charas I need

[elfin parrot]

but as long as you're in red lotus, it's still red lotus through and through

[craggy patrol]

Thanks

Never been to Nirvana, no chance of staying tho

[elfin parrot]

be mindful the next abyss after this one will be flux lantern

and be mindful of the high dist increase in nirvana compared to RL. Even mobs will be much tankier

if you cannot clear the mob stages to get 15k points, consider camping in RL instead

otherwise, peeking into nirv, getting 15k, and demoting immediately is still worth slightly more crystals (albeit with more effort)

if you can get a solid score on the boss in GLB servers, you'll prob be on myriad for slightly more crystals too

[craggy patrol]

Ngl I feel it will be too sweaty for my playstyle, tho I will keep this in mind, after 1500 days I finally achieve pinnacle of honkai and that's enough for me

[elfin parrot]

i do think just peeking in to see what it's like is fine too, even if it results in a slight crystal loss. Still not much in the grand scheme of things.

And of course personal sentiments and accomplishments are very valid as well.

but yeah just want to give you a better idea

i'm not sure if there's any recent video i can show of how tanky the mob stages could be

[craggy patrol]

There's also a very high possibility I need a chara I don't have for next cycles, it was very lucky getting so high without Badum and Sushang

[elfin parrot]

i mean i already told you the one after this is flux lantern. PS is prob the primary dps option for that one (LoA+Bio typing)

if you expect to stay in other cycles afterwards then maybe we can assess further

abyss schedule is in the pins (do actually open up the link so the embed isn't updated)

fire tona will want sparkle dps
IMA flower prob wants rita or maybe herrscher trio
fire tank will prob want lantern dps

oh i misread. I thought you said you have badum and sushang. Not without.

but yeah you can see from this how lenient RL can be. It's very rare for alternative viable options to exist in nirv, or to find a slack enough bracket to allow a secondary lesser one.

[craggy patrol]

As far as I understood what you said, I will go down down pretty fast in the next cycles, except the flower

[elfin parrot]

if you don't have sushang i don't even expect you to retain for lantern unfortunately

but who knows. Brackets are ultimately volatile

[craggy patrol]

Maybe I can snatch a sneaky +0 to at least not go down but who knows

Anyways thanks for the info

[vernal bronze]

does anyone know if enemy defense value only matters for physical valks and impair and phys breach? Like do elemental give a damn?

[elfin parrot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/houkai3rd/comments/r9oot7/a_detailed_look_at_the_damage_calculation_in/

short answer: i don't believe so

[formal wigeon]

Def is only for phys dmg yeah

[vernal terrace]

Breach affects resistance I believe?

[formal wigeon]

with all your questions lately, just watch that first
https://youtu.be/lIGHWCZwaeE

[formal wigeon]

not phys breach, it affects defense the same way impair does

[vernal terrace]

Ah

[formal wigeon]

phys breach and impair of the same value do the exact same thing if you only have one of them

if you have both, they are multiplicative, 50% of both = 75% def reduction

[vernal bronze]

i am watching that, im asking here just to ensure my understanding of the video is correct

[warped geode]

ok this is the first time i know that senti's herrscher form impair cannot be replaced

other than senti"s 75% impair, is there any other valkyrie that have equal or higher impair value?

[vernal terrace]

HoRb

[lament prairie]

CH ult, HoRb, DP has 80%

[vernal terrace]

DP has 80

[vernal terrace]

Damn

[lament prairie]

was used a hell of a lot back in the day

[weak drum]

ok gram gram

[lament prairie]

nowadays you won't find such big impair values because they seem to be mixing physical breach and impair, usually bringing the effect on DEF to be around the same as 75% impair with no phys breach would be anyway

or maybe I'm just fucking lying and they release 90% impair new elysia, in reality anything is possible

(that's a joke btw there's not actually a new Elysia)

[vernal terrace]

55% Impair being what all P2 Phys have now

[vernal bronze]

dont speak of evil omens lest they become true

[formal wigeon]

Mjolnir as well

[lament prairie]

they said valkyrie >:(

[vernal terrace]

[vague flame]

Idk where to ask this in but how do you get that senadina and dream seeker keychain??

[vernal terrace]

I believe the newest story chapter for part 2
Chapter 11

[vague flame]

The one with youyun

[vernal terrace]

Yes

[vague flame]

Tyy

[vernal terrace]

You mean the one with Sena and labubu DS'?

[formal wigeon]

but I can't read

[vernal terrace]

[vague flame]

Yea

[vernal terrace]

Chapter 11 then yeah, it was interesting

[swift osprey]

Didn't see this thanks

[swift osprey]

Are supports that important tho

Like I never switch or rarely do

Because the others a significantly weaker than both hle and Rita

[weak drum]

supports are important and if you dont switch them in for them to buff up the team then you're playing the team wrong

[swift osprey]

Newbie so I don't have the resources to invest a lot on the others tbh

[weak drum]

most of the time they are not supposed to be the ones dealing the damage

they are there to buff up the main dps of the team

[swift osprey]

Like I thought the first valk was the one that gives buffs on the team

[weak drum]

if you meant the leader skill then yes, but that does not make them a support

for p2 valks, whoever is the leader in the team then they are the dps

[swift osprey]

And how do they do that exactly, is it written somewhere when I select the 2nd and third ?

[weak drum]

in alot of ways

not all valks have the same sequences to give buffs to the team

some of them ults to give the team buffs, some just need you to QTE them in, there are cases where you dont need to do anything at all (sena)

you can just ask us for a rough rotation on the team you're using

if you wanna learn it on your own then do read the valkyrie's skills and their stigmata's effects

[swift osprey]

Seems complicated

[weak drum]

not really

in practice you literally just press a button or 2

[swift osprey]

Also I'm wondering if it's worthy in my case to switch to them mid battle since switching has a cd

[weak drum]

yes? it is very important for you to buff up the main dps of the team

[swift osprey]

I mean like is the buff temporary or do I have to switch regularly

[weak drum]

you also dont do the full rotation of the supporting valks

[weak drum]

the buffs are temporary yes

[swift osprey]

A

[weak drum]

temporary means they will not last forever btw

[swift osprey]

Are hle and miss esp a good combo btw

[weak drum]

who's the leader

if its hle then no, rita can not support her

[swift osprey]

Who should be

A

[weak drum]

depends on what you're trying to do

[weak drum]

why rita cant support hle

for p2 its just a game of matching the right tag

this is also why the p2 valk who is the leader will always be the dps of the team

[weak drum]

what is your current roster

what valks do you have (send screenshots)

[weak drum]

your best team rn would be ME (leader) hle and vbm (coralie)

[swift osprey]

I got the right stigmats and weapons on both Rita and elysia

Isn't vb a match for Rita ?

[weak drum]

vbs? she can not support rita

[swift osprey]

Both are lightning type no ?

[weak drum]

like i had said, it is a game of matching the right ring types and tags

[weak drum]

elements are not important for p2 valks

[quasi pier]

that's not how teams work anymore

[swift osprey]

Oh it's only the astral stuff

[weak drum]

yes

[quasi pier]

it's not element based

[weak drum]

you hard focus on astral ring types and tags

[swift osprey]

😭

[weak drum]

a team with a lightning fire and phys valk but they all have the right ring type and tags (that matches each other) will always always outperform a say, full lightning team but they have no synergy at all

[weak drum]

i recommended this team because me is a WoD valk, which means she wants supports with the HSS tag and hle does have that tag

vbm is a special case

[swift osprey]

I still don't get why HLE as leader doesn't match with ME but the other way around it matches

[weak drum]

.

[quasi pier]

it's because ME doesn't have the tag that supports hle

[weak drum]

her ring type is ROO, it can support all other ring types (not effectively but still way better than not being able to support at all)

[swift osprey]

Okay I think I start to get it better

Thanks

[weak drum]

are you sure

so this is hle's ring type

[swift osprey]

I'll tell you , I'm just checking them rn but I wish thing were simpler lol

[rigid cedar]

it's a fairly difficult thing to wrap your head around

[weak drum]

as you can see, hle's ring type is GOI and she want teammates that has the corresponding tag to it, in this case it is symbiosis

ring types and ring tags are different things btw

ring type = the big blue icon, tags = the other smaller icons

• when you are choosing a support for the leader valkyrie, you want to choose valkyries with the tag that corresponds to the leader's ring type

• that means if the support's ring type is LoA but she has the symbiosis tag, she can support HLE because HLE's ring type is GoI

these are rita's tags

as you can see, she does not have "symbiosis"

[rigid cedar]

to add onto this, the ingame valk filter lines up the Specializations with the right support attributes

[weak drum]

that means you can not use her as a support for HLE leader

and this is HLE's tags

as you can see, she has the "Harmonized shadow star" tag, which corresponds to rita's ring type (WoD)

that is why she can support rita

this is why coralie is in the team

that means she will fulfill the 3/3 leader skill effect no matter the astral ring type

[swift osprey]

Oh okay dang I get it finally

[weak drum]

however this does not make her as one for all kind of valk where she's good in every team, she's merely a cope option for when you dont have anything else

[swift osprey]

So I should always make teams based on that

[weak drum]

for simpler astral ring types it wont be that detrimental

however for more specialized ring types, she wont be able to do the special skills or enhanced effects that other valkyries with the right ring tag can

(i had a massive paragraph but deemed it too long + idk what i was typing after awhile)

[swift osprey]

So for example, if I want to put hle as a leader, I should use kiana badum as support ?

(I don't have her tho

[weak drum]

correct

[weak drum]

well next patch || mei will have the symbiosis tag so she can support hle, lunar ( the free valk you got this patch) will also get a divine key with the symbiosis tag too so she will always be able to support hle||

[rigid cedar]

vbm outside world star right?

[swift osprey]

And btw so for pt1 valks I have to match elements right ?

[weak drum]

yeah

[rigid cedar]

yeah you're right then

[weak drum]

you also need to figure out which valkyrie is a support and which one is a dps

[rigid cedar]

depends very harshly on what each valk does, do they just do dps? do they do support buffs? if so, which elements?

[swift osprey]

Unfortunately for me I won't be able to get mei 🤣

[rigid cedar]

how many crystals?

[weak drum]

unless your current funds is like 10 crystals with no other one time crystal sources, i dont see why not

[rigid cedar]

and did you farm all of your story chapters already

[weak drum]

next patch is also a CNY patch for hi3 so you'll get some free pulls+crystals too

[swift osprey]

Idk but like I've used most free crystals I earned on Rita and elysia

[weak drum]

what's your current amount of crystals

[rigid cedar]

well try to cross-check with this

!faq crystals

[night parcel]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[rigid cedar]

chances are your sources aren't dried out yet

[swift osprey]

I think I won't enough for both mei and her weapon so I'll try to keep them for next upd

[weak drum]

i mean, her banner lasts for 6 weeks

[swift osprey]

3700

[weak drum]

try to cross check with the faq that ram gave you

[swift osprey]

Aight

[rigid cedar]

also use this for daily and weekly crystal gain

!faq calculator

[night parcel]

Crystal Calculator

Hi, Captain!

Ai-chan recommends this calculator: https://honkaihub.com/calculator

[rigid cedar]

every account is a little bit different with abyss, bp type and hell even sign-in days. this is why that calculator exists

[weak drum]

oh ma ga 2023

[swift osprey]

!faq calculator

[weak drum]

you cant use faqs

only users with the proferssor or higher role can

use discord's search function to search up faqs that you want to find

[rigid cedar]

you can use the search bar to find previous command casts from other profs

[weak drum]

also it is here

[weak drum]

example

[rigid cedar]

also, the very bottom of this #👶beginner-help pin has a full list of useful faqs
#👶beginner-help message

which every normal player can also use to find them through searches

[swift osprey]

Thanks guys I'll check these

[swift osprey]

How do I check these btw

[crude cloak]

You read the skills

The in-game tutorials help too

[lime grail]

i mean all valks both dps and support nowadays

[rare iris]

U r both DPS and Support

[foggy vapor]

So this maybe a stupid question but how do you get high enough scores to do the S+ errands in dorm? I haven't been able to fulfill them for crystals 😭

[quasi pier]

rank up more characters to meet the requirements

[foggy vapor]

Like a-s-ss rank up?

[open bone]

You want SS WT valkyries

You can also put off diplomacy and stamina

Since dreamseeker counts for stamina

And Jingwei for diplo

Eg if you want to do all dorm tasks you want at least one (Bronya, Fu Hua, Aponia, Vill V) WT Battlesuit to SS rank, one (Mei, Sakura, Rita, Seele) Battlesuit, and then Jingwei and Dreamseeker

Gacha versions also work but obviously that’s way less doable for most players

And the a ranks don’t

[foggy vapor]

Wdym a ranks don't?

[open bone]

A base A rank Valkyrie like say Yamabuki armor

Can’t get a bonus high enough even if you rank them to SSS

But say Herrscher of Reason can

At SS

[foggy vapor]

Gotcha I was just going to ask

[open bone]

I’d advise prioritizing lightning empress since she’s Agi and you want her ranked eventually for PWOs but it’s not actually hugely important which you do first

And you can also look at Elysian shop, which might make SS for some battlesuits cheaper since you can get them to S2 with no AL

If there’s a character you like a lot tho it’s totally justifiable to rank them up to SS instead, it won’t cost you much

[foggy vapor]

Yeah I was gonna try and get the chips for HoT

[twilit summit]

I can’t remember who else is good against this abyss without Badum.

[open bone]

Sena

Can do sena HLE Vita prolly

[twilit summit]

Yea yea okay. Sena, Vita, HLE?

Okay yep

[open bone]

Could also try HLE dps but I expect with no Badum it’s worse

[twilit summit]

Yea it was really bad lol

Thanks

[foggy vapor]

is s2 hle or s badum better as the dps?

[spiral raven]

if u can do full loa team for badum

badum better this cycle

[foggy vapor]

gotcha i assumed the opposite

[spiral raven]

well its a mob cycle

they spam mob waves and kiana does better at it

than hle

[twilit summit]

Lol I could only get 615. Only 1 more month till the Kiana and Helia reruns so I can get them

You guys think it’s worth to grab PS weapon this upcoming banner?

I mean I have the pulls and I’m not worried about not having pulls for future banners but I don’t even know if I want it cause I don’t even see a chance where she’s the best to use that often unless I’m missing something

[spiral raven]

ps still uses mostly in ma if you care, abyss wise, she decent support for grail, and her personal dmg depends on the weather still matters, but it does depend on what tier u are in

i would say its slightly better only backpulling weap

but u shouldnt consider backpull at all

depending on ur current funds

[elfin parrot]

can you more elaborate how your future prospects are expected to be? how long term are you considering?

f2p or light spending (monthly + knight bp) income alone already isn't enough to hard guarantee every new release. At worst you can expect to pick up a valk with her weapon every other patch.

Ofc some ok luck is expected so this more plays out as skipping once every few patches.

If your luck or spending is higher than this to overflow with every new release, then sure you can consider further things. Metawise this extends further to new gacha astral ops, commonly (but not always) at SS rank. However, this generally is just for nirvana/high tier considerations.

It's very very difficult metawise to justify all these reruns you're speaking of. But maybe your focus isn't so meta (you did say "best to use" though). What are you expecting out of FWS, PAWS, and PS?

[twilit summit]

Okay. That’s valid. Thanks. Yea I was considering pulling it but it’s not like she’s BAD but she isn’t amazing. She has her uses but I guess saving these tickets for Mei is better

[elfin parrot]

yeah probably

if funds are tight, i would even go as far to say ||luna|| is a bit debatable too

[twilit summit]

Oh im a whale

So that’s not a problem but I wanted to know if it’s worth the money

[elfin parrot]

i don't think ||LV's dkey|| is announced yet so it should be spoiler tagged btw?

[twilit summit]

To pull a rerun on a character that I don’t see used that often

[elfin parrot]

ok in that case then it's a matter of working down a hierarchy of value with what you're willing to spend on

but this can be trickier further down since it gets more case specific, you have your personal preferences, and some things are just not so certain to say

[twilit summit]

I’m in Redlotus I can’t remember the last time I seen her used in my group (but I have horrible memory lol)

[elfin parrot]

• New valk + weapon
• first dkey for a valk (debatable. Due to their lower cost, they don't tend to stay strongly as relevant in the top meta for long. it's still +10 global atk though.)
• gacha op (possibly up to ss rank. mainly for high tier)
• new valk ranks? especially if they are a common support. (esp team breach supports. s1 tends to have a higher and substantial team buff)
• dkey dupes (still global atk stats, and they tend to have large influence if used in battle) (this is not to be confused with synergy of non-dkey weapons which are more case by case)

this is not a rigid list by any means

but it's loosely the things i would consider before i would even reach rerun territory

do you have any plans for nirvana tier?

and again consider this for the long term

[twilit summit]

SS is… 3 copies or 4? Damn I’ve been pulling S0 for so long I forgot

But I love Mei

[elfin parrot]

S.0 > S2 > SS > SS1 > SS2 > SS3 > SSS

[elfin parrot]

if at any point in the far future, a large spending now on something lower in the list causes you to miss out on something higher in the list, it's going to be arguably not worth

but again this is all sweaty meta talk. If you have any personal preferences it's all valid to weigh in too. It's just nobody can decide how much you like X or Y of course.

[twilit summit]

I’ve been floating by until recently. I do have plans to try and push for Nirvana and T100 and Arena over time.

I quit my other gacha I didn’t enjoy for HI3 funds lol

[elfin parrot]

metawise going after reruns can be valid if you're spending greatly and aim to rush catching up to the current meta. But beware the value of what you catch up to won't be as high in mileage in the long run

as you observed earlier, some of these reruns aren't seeing as much use anymore

and this is a general trend for any rerun really

roughly a quarter of the patch of abyss cycles will cater to the new valk as a dps, and maybe more as possible best support, or even in decent use cases (more applies to RL and below than to nirv)

but after that debut patch, it declines from there

[twilit summit]

True. PS the only sig I’m missing but like I don’t see her used much as a DPS.

[elfin parrot]

and then roughly 2 years later (loosely speaking. Some can see 3 years, some can see 1.5 years. Going by years also isn't the best measure if a valk doesn't see a use case until a full year later)

anyway roughly 2 years speaking, a valk may get completely/mostly obsoleted from the meta

anyway that's the main general ideas i want you to keep in mind for all this. We can now talk more specifically about each valk if you want

So PS does have an upcoming dps use case. It's flux lantern in the cycle after this

[twilit summit]

Ummm I don’t think that’s necessary

[elfin parrot]

alright we can stop there then unless you have any other questions

[twilit summit]

I see. That’s how they’re planning to sell her rerun

I was wondering

[elfin parrot]

it's a pretty common trend. Maybe you can use this site to observe past cases https://www.arustats.com/en-us/hi3/timeline/8.5

RS rerun in 8.5 with physical Bygone (dec5)

but also don't let one single cycle decide everything

[twilit summit]

Yea common gacha pressure lol. Rerun character with a character they’re good with or with content they’re good at. Classic lol

[elfin parrot]

yup

[twilit summit]

I’ve been surviving without PS this whole time so I think I’ll just let it go by and keep my tickets for 8.7. Thanks for help

[elfin parrot]

hi3 offers many levels of the meta to suit different people. So worth is a bit iffy to define from person to person at the end of the day. The important thing is you understand as much as possible what to expect out of what you're getting with what you spend.

but yeah glad to help. let us know if there's anything else

[rare iris]

Forgot to answer this but delaying usually just trying to get the best position for dragonbreath to not destroy a crystal. Either you dodge the farthest icicle or do a basic 1 after Ult.

The latter can reposition fdd further after the gap close with Ult. Her SO entry animation also repositions her on a different direction as well if she's point blank from the enemy upon SO activation

Latter could also be best if it helps resolve the sliver issue

But slower than the former cause of the delay after Ult before she could move again and then another delay from the basic 1 animation (especially if needing it to hit before pressing SO)

[spiral raven]

was about how bottle apparently skips breaking a crystal with doing 134 breath

[rare iris]

not even getting the first 3 stacks?

on the entire breath?

Shouldn't be possible

[spiral raven]

he gets first three on first breath then presumably doesn't reproc it later on 34, 1234, one of 234 reprocs it

[dusky mantle]

woah

[rare iris]

Oh

Rot dependent then, this was the case last HoI for high ranks in Nirv, stacks comes late when doing SO too early when Hailstorm starts

[spiral raven]

yeah possibly i doubt he SO early with ss songque tho

[rare iris]

Possible when ending SO early at p1 maybe

so the refund is higher

and start the cooldown early too

[spiral raven]

maybe

[half hatch]

does anybody have a ref for all s0+1 ss teri i can prob compensate some vita ranks etc, just dunno what this boss is in chinese to search on bili

nirv btw

[quaint saffron]

can you showcase how could i possibly do this team?
I can't think of a way for this team to work,
but i manage to make a work around using HLE-Drag Coralie-HoHE, got 740, but i can't replicate it anymore- 😆 i usually end up doing 737 instead when i try-

[edgy hamlet]

does SSS teri ref not work?

[half hatch]

i could prob work around the dmg, unless there are some SP shenanigans

[edgy hamlet]

Yea I wasnt sure if there were ARI or SP shenanigans lol

Seems like it's just damage?

nvm there's SP restoration

[half hatch]

yeah idk if they're important for the run so if you do have one idm

i'll just see if i can replicate it

[edgy hamlet]

I haven't attempted yet but if i find an SS Teri run i'll link it

[open bone]

I don’t have Sena sorry

You could look at one of the previous times this abyss ran but you’ll have to sub in HLE

Over whatever supp they used then

[edgy hamlet]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1F4rLBLEDM

No idea if this is a good score but it is SS Teri. I used this term to search [ 嗜战环境 ] but no idea what it means lmao. If you find a better search term than this lmk too

[cunning gull]

u don't need the boss name btw
u can just use the nirv filter and then in bili bili set the current abyss duration - 4 weeks ago there will be non honkai stuff but they can be spotted easily so it isn't a big deal
you can also set by date if you wanna see the latest run

[edgy hamlet]

That's how I found it too and by the process of elimination of known terms, I landed on those characters for this boss lol

[half hatch]

oh that makes a lot of sense LMAO

thx

[half hatch]

thx this helped a lot

[edgy hamlet]

[vernal terrace]

Attempting to find S0 HLE Nirv ref
Trying to two SO with Badum is pain

[toxic pike]

should I pull rita or save?

[spiral raven]

bloodlust weather

[spiral raven]

save

[vernal bronze]

is it true that hos impair is like a separate stack of impair? tried looking at her skills but couldnt find that

nvm found it

[formal wigeon]

wat

[vernal bronze]

dont mind me

[vernal bronze]

so according to faq breach, you can only have one source of physcial breach, since it works like impair, no?
Making sure i understand this right

[formal wigeon]

nope

[vernal bronze]

[formal wigeon]

But only one team phys breach buff can exist because they apply a unique effect the same way the team elem breach buffs do

Like you couldn't stack HTR and AE breach

[vernal terrace]

You can stack breach as long as the Valk had self breach I believe

[formal wigeon]

But if a valk had a self phys breach buff (the same way let's say HoT has a self elem breach buff) it'd stack with the team buff

[vernal terrace]

Haven't seen a Phys with that yet

[formal wigeon]

Indeed, they still just give them impair on the stigs 3p

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

[formal wigeon]

(but in a more real scenario, you can stack phys breach signets in ER without issue)

[vernal bronze]

can you elaborate on this, and what you mean by applying a unqiue effect?

[formal wigeon]

it's a named buff

[vernal bronze]

and named buffs dont stack?

right

[formal wigeon]

for now there's even kinda a double prevention on it since Vita (as the only other character that gives it next to FDD) has a passive that replaces her breach buff with dmg buff if it's already present

but without that it'd just overwrite

[rare iris]

How do we calculate a valk's base crit% again?

Nvm, found it

[foggy vapor]

Is there any better team for this abyss?

swapped PS for ME to gain 17 points

[crude cloak]

That sounds right, ye

Hard to tell with 100% certainty cuz of how clunky this cycle is

[foggy vapor]

yeah having waves in the last floor feels weird

[crude cloak]

Badum FDD 100% stay

HoHE defo won't be good

https://youtu.be/swsEmrjWZgM?si=dtrIL5VfC9r037M7

If you need a ref you can use this

The score you should be getting is higher though

[foggy vapor]

did a second run. gained another 21 to put me first in my group so far :)\

[crude cloak]

Cuz SEA has higher dist

[dusky mantle]

FWS FDD paws time

man

positioning is key

[spiral raven]

well positioning is kinda ded with fdd pushing them all away

[dusky mantle]

aaaaaa

that one missing mob

man

slacc time

[spiral raven]

can try? if u want https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1wSraBeESE/?spm_id_from=333.1387.homepage.video_card.click&vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9

[naive shoal]

for today's abyss do u just SO immediately once its full or do i wait until a certain wave of enemy if im using ds

[cunning gull]

u do 1 SO in rl so yeah
u can still look at a rot

[naive shoal]

what would the stage name be since technically its not boss

[cunning gull]

when looking at bili bili just have the abyss tag and - 4 weeks from now, for youtube you can look at recent videos or watch specific channels like hieu le

[spiral raven]

红莲 战意星尘

[lapis raven]

actl the bili searcher has mobs

群聚 嗜战 works too

[void canopy]

this might be a weird q, but the sparkle collab trailer does anyone know if it's possible to directly download this at 1440p from anywhere? I think hoyo only has the video on youtube, is no direct download on the hi3 website or anything, that I can find, sadly. if not thats fine

[plucky swan]

do you mean the 7.9 PV or the Vita vs Sparkle vid?

[void canopy]

vita vs sparkle. its so darn pretty and I rewatched it recently lol.

[plucky swan]

you could try downloading it from bilibili

tho idk if you can get 1440p from there

the app i use only allows up to 1080p

[cunning gull]

yeah but you can get more videos by using less words since not everyone includes info in their titles

[scenic trellis]

team for abyss pls ( rl EU) currently at 11 place

i really need to be at 8 or lower so i dont demote to agony been a couple of nightmare cycles

[hearty yacht]

does fws have weapon?

[scenic trellis]

everyone have their weapons and are fully invested in besides jds

[hearty yacht]

jds weapon doesnt matter

fws lp jds should be good

[scenic trellis]

ok gonna try

[hearty yacht]

if you are in redlotus or lower, you should be top of leaderboard

[scenic trellis]

i didnt try that team cause of jds she has no stigmas leveled or weapon

[mortal jetty]

You can also give Badum vita sparkle a try

[scenic trellis]

gonna try this one first but gonna record cause i never even played jds xD

[mortal jetty]

Qte+ charged attack 🤝

[weak drum]

yeah you dont use jds as the leader in this abyss

unless you’re a maso and you want to have like 21030 ig

[weak drum]

btw just use sparkle instead of jds ngl

unleveled no weap jds is sad

[cunning gull]

also jds is not required here

[cunning gull]

can just use sparkle/ps

[scenic trellis]

never had mats for her always had another valk to invest in

gonna try sparkle now, was terrible

[weak drum]

yeah i dont even need to watch more than 20 seconds

wasted fws ult, you dont need to do the entire fws rotation when you have 0 buffs

[cunning gull]

also i suggest doing more than one run for everything you try
istg there's some rng thing with this mob stage or something
(i mean trying more than once is good anyways)

[weak drum]

all you’re doing is literally just tickling the mobs + wasting time

switch to vita

[scenic trellis]

yeah i always start with the supports dont even know why i did that xD

[weak drum]

dont open with fws

[weak drum]

vita ult—> wait like 1-2s start the wa sequence—> should have enough sp to ult by the end of the sequence (important: dont bother getting vita to full charge for her combo atk)

[weak drum]

also use fws's wa more

not the ehanced version of it

just the normal wa, it helps charge the bar + you link the enemies by doing wa

fws qte—> wa—> fws combo—> enhanced wa, you can also put the normal wa last like fws qte—> fws combo—> normal wa—> enhanced wa

https://youtu.be/swsEmrjWZgM?si=iMkJkUQ8_RNWmt6Q try watching this and see how he does, its not the same team ik but i cant find really any bloob mob billi runs with sparkle so we gotta make do, just learn how to use fws with his vid

preferably have this skill on

[lament prairie]

do I just tank this weather

like

it doesn't seem worth effort

no way I retain without fws

[weak drum]

just eep

unless bracket is that eepy for sena and hle to step in

actually hle still needs fws lmao

[lament prairie]

xd

might be able to do round 2

:(

too much bio

[vernal terrace]

Hoyo loves bio mobs

[cunning gull]

||and there will be more next patch||

[vast nimbus]

Are the monster in Nirvana harder than in redlotus? My first time I got into Nirvana and I notice Im surrounded by shark(whales)

[open bone]

Yes. Nirvana has a higher disturbance so everything is tankier

And the scores are harder to beat because all the best RL players move into Nirvana and all the worst Nirvana players move back to RL

[finite barn]

you know ive never asked, do we know exactly how disturbance affects tankiness? like, 1 more disturbance = how much more hp or something like that

its probably not practically helpful but im curious if anyone ever bothered to calc such things

[rare iris]

like 2% effective HP per disturbance in my findings

[vast nimbus]

Thank you for the info!

[mortal jetty]

Wasn't it 3%? I think cope also said that it was 3% iirc

[rare iris]

that's from my own findings

cause I have runs with the same boss with 1d diff and with same stats on the comps used

548D and 549D HS boss was my recent

Well, technically Epernay but I only have the 556D one lol

[shadow blade]

was thinking of picking up the game again. how bricked is my account? started during hotr and quit on light saber griseo. had a few 4/4 like trio, horb, big teri, griseo.

[craggy plume]

Basically no p1( non-astral ring valk) is meta at this point so you are basically starting from 0.
Trio can work but hard requires Waxing Moon on HoFi and generally also wants ranks to keep up.

[open bone]

Yeah. And if you have Lunar Vow ||she’s getting a dkey next patch|| so if you get her free copy this patch and maybe some ranks in the spending shop

You could have her at SS and outdo most people on her shill

If you don’t pull anyone new you’ll probably be stuck in A1, A2ish? Which isn’t a great position to be in but is still a decent chunk of crystals

While you save

What you’re saving for depends on what your crystal count and pity and 1 time sources look like, ideally you’d get Mei+wep+||luna dkey|| next patch and be comfortably A3 but if you’re a returnee you might have to do some triage

[swift osprey]

which game is this

doesn't look like honkai

[lament prairie]

It is

Can't tell if ur being serious or not xD

[vernal terrace]

[lament prairie]

Players these days don't even know what AE looks like :(

[boreal eagle]

who

[vernal terrace]

[fluid egret]

Wait where am I

[night parcel]

[vernal terrace]

[dreamy vapor]

AE my close second favorite of her character

[twilit summit]

How many copies is SS? I don’t remember how many frags it is per copy

For Base S ofc

[vernal terrace]

First dupe is S2
Second is SS

[twilit summit]

Arigato. I understood what you meant

[vernal terrace]

Each dupe after getting the Valk is 50 frags

[twilit summit]

[vernal terrace]

[last hull]

Waow dalao doing AE dps in 2026

[lament prairie]

it's actually surprisingly strong

[last hull]

I kneel

🛐

[lament prairie]

obviously compared to actual comps its dogshit but when the weather and type are in he favour its epic

[last hull]

Oh what's the weather this time around

[lament prairie]

it was bloodthirsty

[last hull]

Also when was the last time there was a Starless weather

[lament prairie]

idfk

starless kinda dead now

[last hull]

I saw the last abyss weather yall had that musta sucked

[lament prairie]

oh yeah I skipped it entirely

[last hull]

[lament prairie]

I did mobbing and left

[last hull]

Sadge

Do we think FoV would get a DKey since they gave one to Luna

[lament prairie]

eh idk, I think Luna might be the last p1 dkey

the rank diff will be a bit too stupid for FoV

speak of the devil

[dreamy vapor]

|| probably not imo either sice FDD is good enough in FoV's niche, and as much as people love FoV, i dont think they were popular like literal wife-chan luna who's getting one and HoHE too who got one. If anything they'll give HoT one and break the game again but luna getting a dkey is good since i never got to use her much since i didnt get her weap back when she released ||

[lament prairie]

xd yeah

unrelated but anyone know how long it takes to farm bounty weps from scratch I have ran out of stigs to farm and I wanna start farming things like Surtr

[dreamy vapor]

|| has luna's dkey been announced globally yet? i havent been keeping up with socials the last few days so if there was an announcement i missed it ||

[lament prairie]

no idea lole

[dreamy vapor]

I wish i could help fam but it has been like a literal year or two since i last farmed a bounty weapon from scratch, i have a stock pile so i'd have to math it out

but i am feeling mathy so if unless someone answers first i can do that xD

[lament prairie]

:d

just a rough estimate would be great

[dreamy vapor]

for the g1 mats it would be roughly 2.5 weeks without using time swirl passes at all, can minus about 2.5 days from that for each time you use time swirl pass for the g1 mats weapons since you need 190 to craft

[finite barn]

the annoying part about farming bounty weapons is that you actually have to do the fights you cant just lite them XD

[vernal terrace]

If only you can lite them

[finite barn]

iirc for me personally it took like two months...? but i had enough mats lying around that i only had to farm like 4 of them

[vernal terrace]

Did a mix of those and armada to get mats for Pledge of Sakura, Abyss, and Pinions

[narrow cedar]

are there any stigmatas that cause a time fracture when a weapon skill is used

[formal wigeon]

I don't remember any stig with TF at all

[narrow cedar]

damn, alright

[formal wigeon]

we woudn't have been stuck with the usual TF bots in MA if we had that

Even for weaps, best I can remember is time lock

well outside of valk locked effects on sig stuff

and p2 stigs all do the same shit so I don't need to look there

[narrow cedar]

i'm trying to 31946 with a durandal throw attack but it jump secs lmao, boss has 0 hp but the battle doesn't end until the throw finishes so i was trying to find some way to win through TF

[formal wigeon]

are you restricted in rot/team ?

SI's delayed ult TF might help if not

or Carole ult is like 5 seconds

[narrow cedar]

it's a little restricted yeah

it's HLE leader with HRB support

the two of them kill, hrb just kills from off field while dudu does the throw, elysia does like 85% of the HP

[formal wigeon]

that throw + Carole might be enough to do the 15%

so you get full TF coverage at least

[narrow cedar]

carole has no SP 🙁

[formal wigeon]

oh right she needs starting SP for that

stuck with aop so can't do elf resets to tweak stuff either

HLE on p1 team wouldn't do shit either I assume ?

with AR off

hm there might be something with thel instead, it's hellmaru right ?

[narrow cedar]

yeah

[formal wigeon]

can try with SI lead, her normal stuff into insta thel ult, beat it up and end with throw, SI's TF should still be there

tho her ult does take time at the start even with sus-anni so idk if it leaves enough for throw even in TF

but dmg wise thel prolly solos with cez buffs

[rare iris]

I'll let her solo me

[formal wigeon]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[lapis raven]

mkp weap active like in sim battle

[granite axle]

Should I Pull for Sushang?

[open bone]

Probably not unless you’re a whale or you love her

Backpulls are a bad idea from a meta perspective since a new release is almost always more crystal efficient and F2P players who pull every new release + wep still sometimes have to skip if they get unlucky

If you do like her she still has use and is a perfectly fine grail / LoA supp with some neat utility but between say her and XDC Mei, Mei is the better pull

[granite axle]

I'm basically only waiting for a new Fu Hua or Senti I currently have Vita with all of her things, Dragonlord Coralie with all of her stuff, the newest Kiana battlesuit with all of her things and Seele HoRb with her Astralring stuff

[open bone]

In that case you don’t particularly need sush. You have supports for both grail and LoA, and your LoA dps has a whole team.

Bleed / hitcount utility are both very nice when you want them but probably not worth 90 pulls for ||especially since Luna next patch is also offering competition there||

[granite axle]

I'm currently at about 4k crystals with the battlesuit and weapon banner at lower than 20 pulls for guaranteed

[open bone]

Doesn’t really effect the advice, it means getting Sus would be cheaper but also means getting some other battlesuit would be cheaper

[granite axle]

True

Should I just skip every banner though in case Fu Hua or Senti gets something new?

[open bone]

Well we’ll usually have some advanced notice of new banners - CN is about 4 weeks ahead of us and they usually learn about a new battlesuit a few weeks before the patch starts. So if you just want to get the next Hua battlesuit S0+1, no need to skip everything, just keep a decent stockpile and keep an eye on the news

If you instead want to get her ranked because you love her that much it might be better to save more aggressively because that can get expensive fast

|| There is no Hua in the next 3 months|| if that affects your decision

[granite axle]

I'm not sure if my current set-up can keep up with the meta for so long all of them are maxed out btw

[vernal terrace]

||Luna might be slower than PS, Carv said she's slow anyways but again still not worth pulling PS right now||

[granite axle]

Except they're all at S rang

[open bone]

If you have their weapons and stigs that should be fine to bounce RL for a while but you might start dropping into A3 as patches go on

Whether you “need” to pull more depends on your goals

[granite axle]

I do have all of their stigmas and weapon at least once

[open bone]

Obv having more new battlesuits helps with retaining RL, but also battlesuits don’t pay for themselves; someone who pulls half the releases and is in A3 has more crystals than someone with every release but in RL. What is needed depends on your goals

[granite axle]

Alright I'll lower down to A3 so I can have enough for either Senti or Fu Hua

Btw what should I go for on the stigmas on Fu Hua FoV? I have everything on attack

[lime grail]

bio and/or gauntlet atk

[granite axle]

What about HP doesn't she do something with her HP?

[open bone]

It’s not efficient

[lime grail]

yeah but she dont want hp affixes

[open bone]

Attack increases her damage output more than any other affix

[granite axle]

Oh okay

What's good damage at Elysium realm with Fu Hua FoV

[lime grail]

what gets you the clear

just follow the guide pinned and as long as it doesn't take an obnoxiously long time its fine

[formal wigeon]

Looking at DMG numbers like that is pretty irrelevant

[granite axle]

Oh okay

[formal wigeon]

Especially in ER

[weak drum]

you shouldnt use er as an actual dmg comparision like gur said yeah, the buffs there are insane compared to normal stuffs like abyss

[formal wigeon]

You could even do a build to get the highest ult DMG screenshot if you wanted to, but also just clear slower doing that

[weak drum]

also you’re just using fov in er and thats it, the other 2 slots you cant switch in

[granite axle]

Yeah I always clear at Finalty with FoV

[outer mist]

wth is this dimensionnal string its locked behind stellar type valkyrie there are onlye 2 in the ENTIRE game to complete this already bullshit game mod that barely gives any crystal

[lapis raven]

2 in the entire game?

[outer mist]

sorry 3*

[lapis raven]

gang theres like 17 different p2 s ranks

thats 17 different teams u can use

[outer mist]

i have only 1 viable trio for this game mode

cause i dint spend a penny in this game

everything is F2P and im getting screwed

[lapis raven]

stellar environment just means u get buffs for having astral ring activated, ie using any p2 team

[spiral raven]

just start saving

[lapis raven]

im completely f2p too whats ur point homie

[spiral raven]

whel bottle

[outer mist]

i can't activate a single one !!

[lapis raven]

i'd assume ure a returnee ya

[spiral raven]

well if u didnt pull the valks then ofc u cant

[lapis raven]

beeg f2p

[neon narwhal]

the weather incentivizes using those valks but not like the other ones are debuffed. If you have better teams even of older valks just utilize those

[lapis raven]

30k xtals i shd be good for next patch surely

[spiral raven]

probs

[outer mist]

dint play for 2 years

[lapis raven]

i need new valk, weap, dk AND i need to get fws + weap from carnival

surely i lucksack fws

[spiral raven]

crazy

[lapis raven]

yea ok so just bruteforce it with whatever uve got, any full geared team shd be able to do it

[outer mist]

i dont have any

[neon narwhal]

!faq fhm

links of beginner teams if you really are at scratch

[night parcel]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[lime grail]

[outer mist]

i tried with this, dint worked

[lapis raven]

is that fully geared?

[outer mist]

almost

[lapis raven]

record ur rotation if possible

[night parcel]

No FAQ for 'fhm\n\nlinks of beginner teams if you really are at scratch' found.

[neon narwhal]

smh ai chan

[lapis raven]

cos ure in like sinful probably and theres no way u shd struggle with an almost full geared team

[vernal terrace]

Kek

[outer mist]

im agony 1

[lapis raven]

record ur run if u can

if ur semi full geared trio cant do it, and u dont hv anyt else geared, i'd just say sleep for 3 days then come back and play

[cunning gull]

if you don't know or remember how the tean works you can look at tactic class

but yeah it would be good to know what gear are u using and how are you using the team

[outer mist]

there's a tool for that in game

?

[lapis raven]

no

if ure on pc use obs or medal or smth, if ure on mobile then use ur devices inbuilt recording software

[cunning gull]

side stages don't require you to use whats recommended, the only important things is that you have a decent gear, suitable enough team and you know how to use the characters

[lapis raven]

if u cant be bothered to record then just try the tactics class and follow that

[outer mist]

i only have HoF for astral ring and i dont have the weapon to do it so im screwed lol

[cunning gull]

can you please show the gear of the team

take a screenshot

[outer mist]

is there a way to do that in a single screenshot otherwhise i'll have to do 8

[spiral raven]

just show gear of the trio team i think is what was meant

[cunning gull]

for the team go to the abyss page, click on your score and show that

if you wanna show pictures of an individual character with the gear then you can use the camera icon in the valk page

[spiral raven]

just before pressing battle should also be an option to click on camera

which takes a screenshot of ur gear and stuff

[outer mist]

i cant find of those things guys

[cunning gull]

i think that's MA?

and maybe some other gamemodes

[outer mist]

can't see the full gear anywhere

found it on another mod tho

[cunning gull]

hmm yeah that's kinda cooked
you could adjust some things based on what do you have in your inventory

[cunning gull]

you can use stuff from here if you have it already

or show what other valks and your inventory (the base 4* stuff)
you'll need to screenshot

[outer mist]

prolly going to play warthunder instead for this week

[cunning gull]

[outer mist]

everything else in my inventory is shittier than this

[cunning gull]

can't blame you so much since you've a returnee but its still doable
the boss isn't
honestly if you have the time you can always make an alt so you can benefit from thr newbie rewards
unless you didn't do enough content on this account to catch up

[outer mist]

im a casual

[cunning gull]

honestly if you don't pull then it doesn't matter

[outer mist]

most of my gaming time is spent on military wargames DCS and warthunder XD

[cunning gull]

story/events/collection of old stuff requires no pulling

[outer mist]

i think my only way out is buying BP to get crystallum

[cunning gull]

and funnily enough you can get the full gear of your trio from a permanent shop now
you can even wait frw patches and they'll be available in other ways too

[cunning gull]

nah no need

it's not gonna fix your situation

the fix if you wanna promote is to save crystals for new releases with their sig weap

[outer mist]

which shop

[cunning gull]

bp will just be a bonus

[outer mist]

i always save crystals

[cunning gull]

reserve works but it takes time with f2p balls and the trio have been given away and are even in dorm (don't pull there) so its about time they hit war treasury and exchange shop

[cunning gull]

that's good, how much do you have right now?

because you can consider pulling next patch to help you out

[outer mist]

14K

should i wait for a fire power supply ?

these things drop weapons and stimagts

[quasi pier]

firepower supply doesn't exist anymore

[cunning gull]

hmm you might get something out of it, you definitely have a lot of content to finish too, i would suggest saving and pulling next patch
there's a new mei and if you do the discount and get her then you can go for her sig weap and the stigs you'll get along the way
||there's lunar vow whos free from the event and she'll have a divine key which will let her be used in part 2 teams, if you can't afford mei then you can get that divine key
there's also a supply called carnival and it gives free 20 pulls exclusive to it, user those 20 pulls and if youre lucky you'll get another part 2 if not then its ok no harm made||

[outer mist]

D :

[cunning gull]

whats said + its not worth it anymore even if it shows up

[cunning gull]

this is beyond the point now but ill put it here
first img is how to view the used lineup for an abyss stage
second img is how to show a gear of one character

[outer mist]

ok

[scenic trellis]

is the carnival confirmed?

like we had on other spending events

cause i got some tickets from the past one

that i mistakenly traded

[cunning gull]

||yes well have next patch check the #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins||

[cunning gull]

you mean the pink/blue ones?

[scenic trellis]

ok ty do we keep the pity from the previous one or it resets?

[cunning gull]

resets

[scenic trellis]

ok ty in my case yeah the blue ones for valks

[cunning gull]

it keeps it for its specifispecific duration and then it ends

[scenic trellis]

would be happy if we get the sleepy valk on there since i have her weapon and not her xD

dont ask why

i was dumb for the first months

[cunning gull]

atp wait for bp

not that u need her

or maybe wait for her to be free like thelema

but hoyo is the one who decide so

[scenic trellis]

oh yeah forgot the bp gonna get her there instead

[naive shoal]

for today's boss is it better if hle dps or paws dps (team is hle paws fdd)