👶beginner-help

[upper laurel]

welp, I'm a long time genshin and honkai player whos jumping into this game brand new. Is there a beginners guide or just any information or advice y'all can give me?

Currently waiting for all the assets to download

[ancient needle]

The pins here have a lot of useful information, for now you can refer to this:

!faq lost

[small willow]

Feeling Lost?

I got this, Captain!

The following guides are a good starting point to help you feel like you know what you're supposed to be doing as Captain of the Hyperion!

See the channel pins of #👶beginner-help for more:

• Account Progression Pointers: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• What to pull right now: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• Valkyries you should buy for Asterite: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• Clearing up misconceptions about the meta: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[ancient needle]

Pulling-wise save until the next patch (drops on Thursday)

@quick birch what were your cope HLE testing results btw

[ancient needle]

There isn't much else to say for now, just play the game

Just keep in mind that HI3 is very different from GI and HSR, try not to apply knowledge from these games here

[upper laurel]

ik.

tbh im really sick of genshin.

[abstract sequoia]

been there

[ancient needle]

Same

[amber finch]

water

[shadow gyro]

it's fine, the game is different

[upper laurel]

👍 read everything. Good stuff to know, though most of the terminology went over my head as expected

[shadow gyro]

its fine, you're not meant to remember everything
you'll learn as u go!

[upper laurel]

I will see if I stick with the game, fwiw, there's a non zero chance I bounce off, just because I dont want anoher gacha chore to do? but I am curious how the lore of this game affects HSR.

As to whether I'm a meta or casual player, I'm defintiely down the middle. I do want stuff thats strong enough to do the end game modes but I do frequently refuse to pull for units I just dont care about even though they're good. (Think Phainon in HSR as a good example)

[ancient needle]

You can ask #📚honkai-lore for details if you're interested

[ancient needle]

That's fair

You can check who the next valk is in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[quick birch]

In terms of DPS jk > RC but JK takes way too long for not that much of an increase+ the rotation gets weird after a view ults + JK needs her weapon + I haven't even tested S RC yet and RC was running standard weapon compared to JK and her sig so I'll just go with RC since she's easier and honestly even better/the same in my test abyss runs

[abstract sequoia]

Songque as an astral ring valk wants an astral ring team with which she is compatible to be ideally used. It's best you familiarize yourself first with how this system works.

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[abstract sequoia]

on top of the explanations here, there are ingame tutorials as well that allow you to play a team for each astral ring

[ancient needle]

So RC -> SS Kira
Fair enough, thx

Actually, how long does SS Kira take xdd

[quick birch]

Wait I actually haven't tested Kira but yk I don't think it's worth the asterite

[abstract sequoia]

for the beginning however, you will not have such a complete team ready and until then it's fine to get a farmable physical support and valkyrie blastmetal for songque's team

how such a team can look like and what equipment you should farm is highlighted here

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[abstract sequoia]

if you want, i can explain further how to make a team for her and how you'd use her

or how she is useable elsewhere

Valkyrie Blastmetal (Coralie) is a solid and easy first choice, specifically her non-ring build (choose Elysia signets that aren't Astral Ring related)

we also have a pinned ER build guide

which i can further explain if anything is unclear

[upper laurel]

is the dragon girl the current banner thats about to go?

or the one coming up?

[shadow gyro]

she already left and will take a bit to come back

[upper laurel]

damn

[shadow gyro]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message this is the schedule for reference

[abstract sequoia]

you've joined pretty much near the end of the patch

[upper laurel]

yeah i can tell

[abstract sequoia]

next one starts thursday

a fair bit of time to prepare for the banners

and get at least a bit of understanding of how things work

[upper laurel]

i dont think I'd call 2 days a fair bit of time but thats fair XD

[abstract sequoia]

yeah fair enough, you're not expected to have a full team ready at that point anyway. baby steps

[spiral badge]

I want to know about A kira (no envoy) or TA actually. Can you ping me when you get results for those?

[upper laurel]

not to long

[abstract sequoia]

for now, you're going through starter events as your first goal is going through your tasks and rewards

think of it like a head start period for beginners only

[lyric anvil]

Sounds like me since I started playing Hi3 on the final week of 7.9

[upper laurel]

yup, starter events make sense

[abstract sequoia]

just keep in mind one thing, the starter supply is not recommended to pull on

you always want to pull on the next patch valkyries when they're coming out, so you get to experience them for as long as possible

at least in a meta sense

[upper laurel]

the wording on that is confusing. Are you saying that I lose access to something even if I pull it?

[abstract sequoia]

not at all

[ancient needle]

Ram meant that valks become more and more niche over time until they're completely replaced by better options

This process takes ~2 years

[abstract sequoia]

it's just natural powercreep

[shadow gyro]

just not worth the pulls
they don't have the same value as whats suggested

[upper laurel]

oh yeah. the supposed "nothing old is good anymore" statement

[ancient needle]

But it doesn't matter as much for a more casual player

[abstract sequoia]

depends on how old and if you even have better options to begin with

[lyric anvil]

Starter supply is bait
I can't say anything since I pulled on it

[upper laurel]

I did hear that about the game before deciding to download, thats fine. I'm good with basically only focusing on..what is it. Chapter 2 Valks?

[ancient needle]

Part 2

[upper laurel]

part 2 valks. close enough. XD

I'm down to only focus on those either way.

what even is part 2, overall? is it just like the next like...entire story arc? like not just a patch, but like....the end end of the story and the start of a new one?

[shadow gyro]

its another story with a different main character
but the old characters are still in it

[abstract sequoia]

yeah, it's referring to an entirely new cast of characters experiencing their own hardships

[upper laurel]

yeah. ok. I wonder if Genshin will end up doing that soonish, too.

[shadow gyro]

well see

[abstract sequoia]

eh, i don't think the way genshin structures their story would make that work unless we go beyond teyvat

[upper laurel]

I mean I think that is what the idea would be

Like, Nord Krai, then Szhneznaya, then Khanreah, possibly Celestia, then what?

[abstract sequoia]

part 2 is kinda doing that as well by the way, focusing more on Mars

[upper laurel]

Traveller ascends to godhood and goes to Herta's Space Station. I'm calling it.

Mash all the games in one.

[abstract sequoia]

ehh lets keep the fanfictions for off-topic

[lyric anvil]

[upper laurel]

ofc XD

Do you explore an open world in HI? is there like, an interactive map to track pins for stuff?

[shadow gyro]

there's but for certain chapters and gamemodes

and its reasonable/small

the game is more stage based

as for materials, most of it is just doing dailies, stages and buying from the shop

[abstract sequoia]

see the open worlds more like big stages with intersecting chapters

[upper laurel]

guhhhh

[opal ingot]

Guuuuurrrllll

[upper laurel]

eyyy

Whoa. Click is not attack. Is this game controller friendly??

IT IS

Tho I definitely need to reverse the vertical axis

the animations looks REALLY good

[tall flax]

Idk how people even use controllers, feels weird personally

[upper laurel]

oooh, with the camera change this is feeling much more like Nier Automata than anything genshin or honkai

[abstract sequoia]

game controller is supported, most menus are just navigated through with a virtual mouse cursor

you can change the sensitivity for that under the Cogwheel in the Ai-Phone and then under Assist

[upper laurel]

wait.

Sparkle.

[outer spruce]

fischl's here too

[upper laurel]

huh. ok. Is she a part 2? because I kinda want her lol

[outer spruce]

she is

[tall flax]

But not recommended to back pull

[upper laurel]

im assuming thats some system that lets you pull for non-banner characters but at some ridiculous extra expenditure or drawback

[outer spruce]

backpulling means pulling reruns

[upper laurel]

oh

oh wait there's keyboard and mouse input settings

maybe not controller then

[tall flax]

There is controller settings, plug in your controller and it will show

[upper laurel]

i know.

I played the whole first mission with controller

The moment it told me J was attack i was like "nah fam"

Mouse & Keyboard > Controller > Just Keyboard.

[tall flax]

Well Just Keyboard has the least latency a out of all the 3

I personally use Just Keyboard

[upper laurel]

i'm not sure what that means

[tall flax]

It doesn’t mean much right now until you start doing competitive content

[outer spruce]

i don't think they plan on getting that sweaty

[upper laurel]

I also cant understand why a mouse would have "less latency" than a keyboard XD

[outer spruce]

also i still use a ps4 controller, it's not that deep

[tall flax]

to each to their own

[upper laurel]

Do I need to pick these up

or do they like, automatically still get given to me

[outer spruce]

automatically given after the level ends

[upper laurel]

alright

Are these the....i cant remember what they were called but i'm just gonna use the word "Guilds"?

Also i wonder why it picked Europe for me, and not NA

You wanna talk about latency lol

Oh okay that stigmata is

christ like thats hiding nothing at all

I dont even know if I'd be allowed to take a screenshot for fear of breaking a "no NSFW" rule

[outer spruce]

which one? is the hannah M booty jumpscare?

[upper laurel]

yeah

the fact that you fuckin know actually, XD

[outer spruce]

yeah I had a feeling lmao

[upper laurel]

Any of these worth getting? I dont whale but I have no problem spending 10 or so bucks

[outer spruce]

there should be a cost effective whaling guide in the pins

[hybrid stone]

is 19k gems enough for hle + wep

[outer spruce]

you would have to get lucky, usually 30k is recommended

you will probably get her before the banner ends

[upper laurel]

Ty. Also, answer to this question?

[outer spruce]

armada yeah

[upper laurel]

I read in the beginner stuff I should just join one right away yeah?

Does it matter which one?

[outer spruce]

try and join an active tier V armada if you can

[upper laurel]

So maybe this one?

The others are an IV and a II

Idk how to tell if its "active" though,

Except for the fact that I got an invite half an hour ago XD

[abstract sequoia]

Latency does not matter for HI3, only partially for multiplayer events but that's it. EU or NA doesn't matter too much, except that there are different players

[abstract sequoia]

by the active member count

and generally, when choosing an armada i would prefer choosing one where this is as high as possible

[upper laurel]

I was told that mouse and keyboard has the worst latency, and that it mattered for end game content

[upper laurel]

fair. is that member count high? idk what would be considered high

[outer spruce]

it really doesn't matter that much

[abstract sequoia]

that's a different type of latency that you're talking about and it doesn't really matter because you can do inputs before the option to do so is even possible

[upper laurel]

right but you're not saying they're wrong. And no ones yet to explain to me how my wired mouse has "latency" XD

[abstract sequoia]

i meant network latency "ping"

you meant input latency

[upper laurel]

no i get what you're saying, I'm just saying im hung up on that. It doesnt make sense to me for my mouse to have any input latency.

any less than my keyboard especially, when they're both wired into the same PC lol.

[abstract sequoia]

that would be new to me tbh

who told you that

[outer spruce]

ron

[upper laurel]

Thats what they said lol

[abstract sequoia]

oh, that's just general input talk not directly related to hi3

and that still depends on what kind of keyboard and mouse you have

[upper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[abstract sequoia]

usual gamer conversation about which input device is best

the real answer is really what you prefer the most

[ancient needle]

It starts to matter only if you're an extremely competitive player

[upper laurel]

Alright. well, moving the convo back to the conversation with Armada's, is 45 a lot? XD

it doesnt seem like a lot

[ancient needle]

45 what

[abstract sequoia]

active players

[ancient needle]

Ah, members

Nah, that's garbo

[abstract sequoia]

oh and members

[upper laurel]

nah active members was just 27

[abstract sequoia]

yeah very empty armada

[ancient needle]

You need a Tier V Armada with 100+ active members

[upper laurel]

How do I find a good Armada then

[abstract sequoia]

there's #🇪🇺-armada-recruit since you chose EU servers

[ancient needle]

It's best if you change your Discord role to EU btw

To avoid future confusion

[upper laurel]

I might rather start over on NA lol

[ancient needle]

(your region can matter in some cases)

[ancient needle]

xdd

[abstract sequoia]

Oh yeah this should show as a locked channel if you don't have the right abyss role

[upper laurel]

Cuz there's no way my ping is better for the EU then it is for NA when I'm fucking australian

[abstract sequoia]

its an armada recruit channel

[abstract sequoia]

uhh.. there's also SEA servers

[ancient needle]

Well, Aussies play on SEA afaik, but you need to redownload the game in that case

[upper laurel]

Those have historically been worse

So I actually tend to avoid

[abstract sequoia]

they're more elite compared to the other two region

[upper laurel]

Why would I need to redownload the game for oceania servers?

Wdym by that? XD

[abstract sequoia]

because SEA uses a different client with different historical changes

it's weird i know

[upper laurel]

very.

well, like I said I avoid for reasons.

besides im not chomping at the bit to play with other aussies.

[abstract sequoia]

i would still not avoid them out of previous experiences, they likely won't translate into this game

unless you mean cultural stuff?

[ancient needle]

SEA is a bit sweatier, it makes sense not to play there for a more casual player imo

[upper laurel]

no, server related stuff. i have no idea why but I've had more trouble connecting to SEA servers for some games than NA.

[abstract sequoia]

oh, that's no issue here at all

[upper laurel]

My guess is because companies not based in Australia dont feel the need to take care of SEA servers as much

-glaring at Wuthering Waves-

[abstract sequoia]

hoyo is actually more leaning into their SEA market than NA and EU

they also get more local events

[upper laurel]

Well, I still dont really fancy redownloading the whole ass game either.

[abstract sequoia]

that's fine, i just wanted to lift that fear from you

[upper laurel]

yeah ill keep it in mind

[abstract sequoia]

EU or NA is fine too, I'd say EU is slightly harder in the highest ranks but it's hardly noticeable

[upper laurel]

Eh. Maybe I dont care enough and ill just stick with EU then

[abstract sequoia]

other than that the experience is the same

[upper laurel]

dere we go guvna now im bri'ish, innit

did you hate that? ;D

[abstract sequoia]

a bit off topic but ik someone irl who accidentally went into genshin on the US server. they were happy with that choice in the end though

[abstract sequoia]

nah dw i have humor xd

[upper laurel]

I use the NA server for Genshin

I use the Asia server for Honkai Star Rail,

[abstract sequoia]

huh

[ancient needle]

Do you mean RL or Nirv here

[upper laurel]

And now i use the EU server for Honkai Impact 3rd

[abstract sequoia]

Nirv

[upper laurel]

Fun times

[ancient needle]

NA is harder to retain in tho

[abstract sequoia]

oh

[ancient needle]

Easier to Myriad, yes

[abstract sequoia]

so the players are actually better?

[upper laurel]

its because I play HSR on PS5 and you cant pick your server there, and Asia is the server that Sony picks for all of Hoyo's games for Australians at least.

[abstract sequoia]

ah i see

[ancient needle]

On average yes, but there are less in total

[abstract sequoia]

alright, will keep that in mind

[ancient needle]

In Nirv I mean

[abstract sequoia]

either way, the biggest regional difference are server times

[ancient needle]

NA RL is easier apparently? idk for sure atp, they're very close

[abstract sequoia]

you'll notice from looking at #status alone

every server is 6 hours apart

SEA earliest, then EU and finally NA

[upper laurel]

Do I have to join any of these discords to join the armadas?

I really dont want to

[abstract sequoia]

daily resets and competitive game modes open and close according to times where the locals have time to play

[abstract sequoia]

Not always a requirement, most you'll stumble into want you to be active

like ingame active

[upper laurel]

Not that I even know how to join an armada with a code lol

Also what the good gravy is a sensei

[ancient needle]

The intended purpose is for them to be a mentor for you

In practice you don't need to interact with them at all

You just get some missions (most of them you'll complete passively) for solid rewards

[abstract sequoia]

there should be a search field when you press on the Armada button

[upper laurel]

not interacting would indeed be preferable

[abstract sequoia]

that's where you can look up armadas with the code

you do the same for player ids

[upper laurel]

can you tell me where that button is lol

[abstract sequoia]

oh it should be left next to dorm but i guess you need to get a higher level before you can join one

[upper laurel]

Oh there are a lot

[abstract sequoia]

level 17

[upper laurel]

of characters

christ. this list just keeps....going and going.

[abstract sequoia]

here's all of the account progression pointers #👶beginner-help message

[abstract sequoia]

the game is a bit older than genshin and hsr after all

[outer spruce]

almost 9 years old

[upper laurel]

So many Bronyas

[abstract sequoia]

dont worry, you won't have to build most of them ever

[abstract sequoia]

there could be more xd

[upper laurel]

And they all have the same stupid hair swirlies that HSR bronya does

[abstract sequoia]

where do you think she got them from

[upper laurel]

YAE SAKURA

SHES COMING TO HSR

I SEEN DIS BITCH BEFORE

XD

[abstract sequoia]

you'll have this a lot trust me

[upper laurel]

fucking - the name Kaslana but on an anime girl is weird

Phainon help they turned you into an anime girl

[abstract sequoia]

actually-

[upper laurel]

Are there like, NO boys

[abstract sequoia]

well, i won't say too much about the story

[ancient needle]

No playable ones, yes

[outer spruce]

all girls yes

[upper laurel]

Like, not "a little amount" of boys. There are literally none

[ancient needle]

They wanted to add male chars, but CN players were strongly against that

At least that's what I've heard

[abstract sequoia]

I'll just say that "Phainon" stems from a character called Kevin

[upper laurel]

NATASHA

[abstract sequoia]

the cool natasha

[upper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/hsr-honkai-star-rail-nat-honkai-natasha-gif-6133100900226899703

THEY TOOK ALL HER EDGE AWAY

[abstract sequoia]

yeah basically

[upper laurel]

fucking Sushang

[abstract sequoia]

character traits are kind of similar yet they are different, so you will recognize them

[upper laurel]

ok, this is wild. The story of these two games is WAY more connected

[ancient needle]

If chars are similar it doesn't mean that they are a part of the same story

[abstract sequoia]

it's hoyo's thing to bring different versions of the same character into different games

[upper laurel]

Sure but they ARE the same universe.

The Honkai universe. Right?

[ancient needle]

Depends on what you mean by "universe"

And we can't go further here, you can ask in #📚honkai-lore

[abstract sequoia]

Help channels are more a spoiler free place, that's why

[upper laurel]

fair.

[abstract sequoia]

I'll just say this, honkai is a deep rabbit hole

hi3 is where you'll start digging deep

[upper laurel]

Ah, Stigmata are very similar to artifacts it seems

[outer spruce]

but better

[upper laurel]

well, yeah, none of the artifact sets have an ass like that

XD

[outer spruce]

tru

[upper laurel]

should I do these for the rewards?

[abstract sequoia]

yes

[upper laurel]

just not do a 10 pull, just one single 1 pull

[abstract sequoia]

this is the starter event i was talking about

the starter manual

[upper laurel]

yeah. i suppose I gotta figure out now what these things even are lol

[abstract sequoia]

yeah, the 280 crystals as a reward equal 1 pull so you'll get it back right after

[abstract sequoia]

[upper laurel]

WAIT I KNOW THOSE HAIR SWIRLIES. Thats a bronya!

[lyric anvil]

Scripted Bronya

[outer spruce]

that do be bronya

[abstract sequoia]

congrats your first bronya out of many

[lyric anvil]

VC will always be the first Bronya

[upper laurel]

Do these banners have pity, and do the banners share pity across like...

A banner and B banner?

[abstract sequoia]

yeah that pull is scripted, it's like getting asta in hsr

[upper laurel]

XD if thats even the correct way to ask

[upper laurel]

YUP. ok gotchya

[outer spruce]

pity does carry over between certain banners

and there's no 50/50

[upper laurel]

theres -

https://tenor.com/view/throw-out-rage-parks-and-rec-nick-offerman-ron-swanson-gif-17688925

Imagine its Genshin

[tall flax]

A rank are 4 stars and S rank are 5 star equivalent of other games.

[abstract sequoia]

!faq supply

[small willow]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[abstract sequoia]

everything explained here

[upper laurel]

im guessing the starter supply probably wont share pity with whatever the long term banners are though

[abstract sequoia]

including some temporary banners that come back from time to time

[lyric anvil]

Freedom from 50/50

[upper laurel]

which is fine cuz im only literally doing 1 pull

[tall flax]

150 hard pity for both valk and wep

[lyric anvil]

Still better

[upper laurel]

the chance is inconceivably low but if I were to get a S rank on one pull, who of the 2 should I do it for

They dont have names on the banners. =T

[abstract sequoia]

do songque

or jovial deception

[outer spruce]

blonde hair one

[abstract sequoia]

that's her battlesuits name

[upper laurel]

Where would I click to find that for myself?

Like, the name I mean

[abstract sequoia]

just tap on her

[tall flax]

Weren’t we supposed to discourage pulling on starter banner?

[upper laurel]

oh literally just her face yeah

[outer spruce]

it's 1 pull for the starter mission

[upper laurel]

its 1 pull for the starter manual

jinx

Do S rank pulls have a different animation? Like, the ticket being more holographic in HSR or the falling star turning golden

[outer spruce]

no

[tall flax]

Not animation but different color

[upper laurel]

...ok. so, that

is what I would call a different animation

XD

[lyric anvil]

Hard to differ though since S rank and A rank both appear as purple first

[outer spruce]

like the box coming down doesn't change

[tall flax]

The sound kinda changes

[upper laurel]

Yup. Alright with those 2 missions i hit 16 and got the "pick your free 5 star" box

[abstract sequoia]

you'll be jumpscared by your S rank pulls

lets just say it that

[upper laurel]

The guide said to hold it, right?

[abstract sequoia]

yeah

[upper laurel]

Like, not use it immediatelly

[abstract sequoia]

!faq egg

[small willow]

S-Rank Valkyrie Option

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the in-depth explanation of what to choose!

Ai-chan recommends that you keep this egg until you have two from the following: Shadow Knight, Sixth Serenade and Goushinnso Memento. When you own two, unlock the one you are still missing.

[abstract sequoia]

this thing right?

[upper laurel]

well im not sure...where to find it.. XD

[abstract sequoia]

Inventory > Materials iirc

[upper laurel]

I do not have an inventory button

[outer spruce]

equip

[abstract sequoia]

sorry "equip"

[abstract sequoia]

oh that one is for a stigmata for this patch's valkyrie

[upper laurel]

And this

[upper laurel]

If its just for this patch, is it like...gonna disappear by next patch?

[abstract sequoia]

nah

[outer spruce]

no

[abstract sequoia]

its permanently there

[tall flax]

Best to not open the stigmata box unless you have 2 of 3

[abstract sequoia]

anything that doesn't say it expires wont

[tall flax]

I got a ticket from 2020 in my inv still

[abstract sequoia]

these are meant to easily complete a stigma set after pulling btw. however you can just craft missing stigmas if you get too lucky with pulling on the weapon banner

[upper laurel]

Im sure ill understand what that means in due time

[abstract sequoia]

that's the case for all part 2 valkyries

[abstract sequoia]

yeah you will, like i said baby steps

[tall flax]

Stigmata is the equivalent to Artifacts and Relics, but it’s gacha locked not really

[outer spruce]

you don't grind artifacts in this game, you pull weapon and stigmata and that's the build

[abstract sequoia]

there's still other things to grind

i mean its a gacha game

[outer spruce]

once you get the weapon, you stop pulling because signature stigmata is craftable

[upper laurel]

Fair enough.

[abstract sequoia]

like right now, you're grinding your starter manual and your lvl up to 81

[upper laurel]

Do I wanna worry about getting a sensei before going much further

[abstract sequoia]

yes

[upper laurel]

i read those missions are missable

[abstract sequoia]

they are

[upper laurel]

How do I do that then. im still not 17

Do I need to be 17 XD

[abstract sequoia]

!faq sensei

[small willow]

Sensei-Cadet System

Hello, Captain!

Click here to see more information about the specific Sensei/Cadet rewards. Main Cadet rewards are Crystals, Dorm Supply Cards, and Asterite.

Find a Sensei:

• EU: #🇪🇺-cadet-recruit
• NA: #na-cadet-recruit
• SEA: #sea-cadet-recruit

Captains of level 6~79 can become Cadets. It is recommended to become a Cadet ASAP! This system offers rewards to both Cadets and Senseis though phase missions, which are completed by doing various weekly activities and levelling up.

A Cadet will automatically graduate upon reaching level 79. Automatic graduation cancels all rewards for the current and all following stages, so keep an eye on your missions!

Do not panic if you cannot see one or more linked channels, they are specific to your region role.

[abstract sequoia]

also, there is an option to enter an invite code under "Bonuses" at some point

[tall flax]

As long as you’re below level 26, there will be a slot to enter invite code

[upper laurel]

i still dont understand what im supposed to be doing.

[ancient needle]

At your lvl it's mostly playing Part 1 story

[upper laurel]

About senseis

the conversation I'm actively having above

[abstract sequoia]

click on Friends and then Sensei

from there, you can look for one

[upper laurel]

I dont seem to have the ability to put in a code for one specifically

[abstract sequoia]

oh, you can do that by entering that code into Find Friends option

sorry if that's inaccurate, i don't often see that screen anymore on the cadet's side. it's only really a thing beginner accounts can do

[upper laurel]

Well i suppose i prolly wanna wait before doing any more stuff

no that was accurate, ty

[abstract sequoia]

ah okay

make sure you pick one from here actually, the chance they are actually helpful is particularly higher

[upper laurel]

I did

though like I said earlier I dont exactly plan on interacting with them privately one on one

[abstract sequoia]

yeah i mean be aware that many might just do it for the rewards

so you're not the only one thinking this way

[upper laurel]

im ok with that

heck. you're online rn. are you eu? you're eu abyss,

[abstract sequoia]

if you got a topic you can always ask here

yeah

[upper laurel]

why dont i just ask you lol

[abstract sequoia]

here you go then

i'll accept as soon as i see the request

[upper laurel]

sent both now

[abstract sequoia]

you're that player with level 16 right?

[upper laurel]

mhm

Good point actually, how do I change my in game name.

With teh obvious "Change Name" button, Aretha

try using your eyes. Thank you Aretha. XD

[abstract sequoia]

dont worry xd

the menus are confusing and a lot when you're just starting out

you don't really have the luxury of quick menu buttons either like in genshin or hsr

only quicklinks through viewing material descriptions, they usually tell you where to get more

[upper laurel]

what the fork im in a mech now

[abstract sequoia]

ah yeah that early chapter 1 stage

[distant kayak]

!faq supplies

[upper laurel]

Ive been...reccomended this armada?

it seems like it fits all the bills,

active and tier 5

bronya noooo

evil bronya

When this setting says Physics does it mean...

like, physics of the jiggle variety?

[spiral badge]

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Settings yes

linking that in case you're curious about anything else in that menu

[upper laurel]

Should I bother spending any resources at all on these starting characters?

Like, even just to level them or their weapons

[spiral badge]

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

you can refer to this for very early teams and what kind of budget gears you should consider for now to avoid spending anything precious but still have something to use

the main resources to be more savvy about are honkai shards and source prisms

be conservative with phase shifters, sc metals, einstein torus, adv skill mats, ether fuel too if you don't have too many of them yet

while exp and coins aren't as major, it's possible to run out of them early on so be conservative

this list isn't exhaustive. i may have forgotten something

i think people already covered it earlier but for story and event purposes, you don't really need much. Building HoV or RC (check glossary in pins for abbreviations) or something can help you handle very early story, and then later on you use trials and not your own.

Owning a valk is more for competitive (mainly abyss) or sentimental purposes

[upper laurel]

ew what was that

[spiral badge]

spam. Don't worry about it

[upper laurel]

if I clicked on an image should I change my dsicord pass?

I've heard some of the scammers can do that kind of shit. I do have 2fac though

[spiral badge]

i'm not very versed in this matter sorry. Maybe ask #🔌technical-help although this isn't exactly related to the game.

I can only advise you to exercise caution and safety to the best of your knowledge

[lone kindle]

yes, you should, just in case

[mortal carbon]

its a png file so no need to worry

though changing passwrd regularly is always safe so its fine to do that anyways

[rugged compass]

-# Hi luna

[wintry juniper]

[mortal carbon]

hi breath

[rugged compass]

[mortal carbon]

I should clarify that this specific png file is safe. i scanned it

[upper laurel]

yeah i clicked on the first one cuz it was right in the middle of our conversation, it was like, a shitty phone-pic of elon musky wusky's twatter talking about bitcoin

cuz I thought it was in relation to what i was asking for a moment

[mortal carbon]

yeah you're good, its just a scam photo, but still feel free to change your discord password as thats never a bad idea :3

[upper laurel]

just to double check

you're absolutely sure I'm good to not manually pick up all the gold coins?

wtf

and there's no music either. this is so uncanny and weird feeling

[spiral badge]

this is a very old game and some of the older content are still in it

hoyo also can get very experimental throughout added content even today

so expect to see alot of jank

since you're familiar with other hoyo games, maybe you'll even notice similar recent mechanic and puzzles across them

(but also try not to make any conclusions of this game based on more modern hoyo games. Lots of problems can happen from doing so. Treat this game as separate)

[upper laurel]

I've had more people desperately ask me not to draw conclusions about HI3 based off of Hoyo's later games than I have drawn any conclusions about HI3 bsaed off of Hoyo's later games XD

[spiral badge]

it's a very common problem which is why many of us have became preemptive to it

[upper laurel]

Weird

[spiral badge]

well actually i guess most of it is possibly from me, and people will know i will raise a fit if they don't :V

but also alot of people here don't play other hoyo games so making analogies can be lost across them too

#💁gameplay-help message i'm not a complete expert across the finer details of other hoyo games, but you can read through this to see some differences i raised across res pen in hsr and breach in this game

otherwise if you want a super short example, many many people walk in building crit on their elemental valks. Elementals do not crit in this game. It's a physical only property

[upper laurel]

btw this ^

[spiral badge]

i didn't answer that because i don't remember but i prob should've said that directly lol. I trust the words of other professors (role) though if that's who told you

as far as daily minigame stages go, once you full clear them, you'll be able to quick clear them. So it's not really something that gets keen attention

[upper laurel]

im not really sure what you're talking about with "daily minigame stages"

[spiral badge]

is this part of story then? Controling a homu (the yellow mascot) happens in a few modes of the game

[upper laurel]

that was the story yeah

and idk if it was a professor who told me I dont need to pick up the gold coin drops in the story missions or just some random, it just takes a while to run into each of them but feels bad to leave them behind

so I just wanted reassurance it was fine

[spiral badge]

you can repeat it if you really want to, but there isn't really any variance in outcome with that activity there

[upper laurel]

wdym by "with that activity"

[spiral badge]

the one we're talking about

the homu stage you did

[upper laurel]

??? why are we still talking about it.

I'm talking about picking up the gold coins in the story missions that drop sometimes when you beat enemies

[spiral badge]

oh ok. I understand now.

[upper laurel]

^

[spiral badge]

I got confused because in a few of these homu stages including the daily farm version, you can pick up gold coins along the way

[upper laurel]

ohh

[spiral badge]

and when i look at it like this i'm not going to see the time stamp lol https://i.imgur.com/81ZXuvr.png

[upper laurel]

i dont even know what you mean by the daily farm version lol, I am literally only at like chapter 2 in the story

[spiral badge]

anyway for general stages, everything autocollects at the end as people told you earlier

[upper laurel]

yeah, ok

[spiral badge]

yeah i was going to get to elaborating that but needed to boot up the game

so attack > start/recommended tabs > material expeditions https://i.imgur.com/20xKKrm.png

material events https://i.imgur.com/6zZXJSZ.png

these are stages that cost stamina that reward resources you'll constantly use, so be sure to clear them daily

[upper laurel]

?? should I do this?

What is that thing specifically capable of pulling for

[spiral badge]

no that is a scam

!faq supplies

[small willow]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

can go through this to see all the different gachas we have in the game

but those cards you would get are only for dorm banner which is the standard banner of the game

[upper laurel]

gotchya. What are expeditions?

[spiral badge]

if you mean on the tab on the left, then those are stages you can clear to farm fragments and other resources for old and obsolete farmable valks.

a very (edit:low) priority overall but as a new player they are a source of crystals

[upper laurel]

I assume you meant very low priority

[spiral badge]

sorry yes

[upper laurel]

XD allg.

[spiral badge]

clearing them fully also lets you quick clear them in the dorm menu (~genshin expeditions)

the main resource you can consider farming there are AE imaginons so you can use them in asterite shop for honkai shards (for weapon upgrades), but the primary farming source of that is open world gamemode

eventually with spare stamina you can work on old valks too, either for fun or to expand your roster for more passive benefits (dorm menu). There's a cap to how much benefits you can get from the base A rank valks here though.

War Treasury is the higher priority for that where there are obsoleted farmable base S ranks that aren't capped in the dorm menu. (you'll appreciate these for dorm errands too)

in both cases, there are specific valks you can later unlock for the elysian realm gamemode (roguelike single player confined mode similar to SU/DU in HSR)

---

I know just now i jumped across multiple things in the game with that explanation. But overall the rough summary is, get crystals from expeditions when you have nothing else to spend stamina on (we have a pin for this too)

[upper laurel]

yeah no i got you

i think the other caveat of that is, when im gonna log off for the day too

cuz no reason to just let my stamina sit there capped

[spiral badge]

stamina honestly is an afterthought once you progress far enough into the game. Events and the main competitive gamemode don't cost it

[upper laurel]

this chick is WAY fun to play btw

[spiral badge]

so don't be afraid to just stop when you have enough. Burn out is definitely a known problem for some people with the game

[upper laurel]

I dig the paint color schtick

[spiral badge]

but otherwise again check out the pins to know your stamina spending places

[dull schooner]

hey everyone, i'm a returnee player. I have an S Rank Senadina with full set and weapon, what characters should i pull to boost her dmg?

[spiral badge]

do you have any other astral ring valks? any ideas of what kind of goals you have returning to the game (casual? meta?)

meta wise, senadina is still used but is quite old and niche at this point and therefore not something to greatly emphasize as opposed to preparing for newer releases

[dull schooner]

I'm a mix of both meta and casual, i mostly pull for whoever i like, but when i want to use someone, i want their best team, or something rather close to that

i also have sparkle

and Astar Ring songque

i heard that Thelema is a good unit, and she's on the returnee banner as well

and i WILL pull for the new Elysia battlesuit, i returned to this game for her

i know that's a lot of stuff i want, but i'll do my best to farm as much as i can

[spiral badge]

the idea of a best team is not something to really say generally, but really on a specific case by case basis. (every boss has a best team, and sometimes the best team can change not only from enemy, but by what else you have too)

[dull schooner]

ooh ok

[spiral badge]

no it's ok. I rather you be more specific so i can try to address it the best i can

i don't recommend a thelema back pull anymore. She will be free as a valk in the upcoming spending event so you an afford her as you're pulling for HLE elysia

[dull schooner]

I want a good Senadina team, but also idek what the new Elysia is gonna do, but i will pull for her

[dull schooner]

FREE THELEMA?

[spiral badge]

so ignore that returnee banner outside of returnee banner specific tickets they may give you

[dull schooner]

okk

[spiral badge]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins. No weapon though which thelema needs badly to function well. If you're willing to pay then you can get it on the battle pass next patch

[dull schooner]

i guess i could pull for her returnee weapon banner

but only after i get Thelema

[spiral badge]

prioritize HLE elysia for now

anyway i can at least address the "close to that" bit for team building. You seem to have multiple astral ring valks from different points in time so I want to ask how familiar are you with the team building system now?

[dull schooner]

I just put my main dps and some supports for that character

[spiral badge]

but the quick answer is, as long as you're matching dps ring types with support tags, the team will function mostly good enough outside of very specific cases, for most intents and purposes

ok well i'm going to ask of you to pay more attention to your valks then. Let me show you something in the valk menu

https://i.imgur.com/suJEFXY.png

so you can see a bunch of icons here for sparkle in the valk menu

i want you to look at the bottom row here

the big blue icon is the ring type. The right smaller ones are tags

[dull schooner]

yeah

[upper laurel]

will my attempt come back with this. cuz i put 3 trial units in to do this and they uh. melted the boss in 1 second before i could even try evading it

[spiral badge]

I don't expect you to memorize the icons, but rather you can click them to see what they are

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

and once you're aware of that, you should be able to go through the last link here

if you need me to further elaborate on it then let me know

[spiral badge]

yes tomorrow

[upper laurel]

awesome. ok

[spiral badge]

but yeah these contents are very old and you can really see the powercreep even without new gacha stuff

evading an attack to trigger an evasion skill shouldn't be too unreasonable once you're aware of it, but there are valks that can trigger the skill more directly without needing an enemy interaction if you need more help

the main troublesome missions imo are those that wants you to do a high combo count when all your valks hit too hard

so i guess to answer a question from way earlier, you may purposely want to leave your crimson impulse mei low invested so she can constantly hold attack to take care of those. Don't fret if you already invested in her a bit either

there can be other alternatives to consider too if you need more.

[dull schooner]

ok, i understood that

i was already using Senadina with Sparkle, but my last character is Herrscher of Truth

(ik, p1 battlesuit)

[spiral badge]

yeah so hotr doesn't really fit there. JDS songque doesn't fit in the team either. Maybe you can consider VBm coralie?

and you can swap between sena or sparkle leader too depending on what the enemy is

so that's how the astral ring system lets you form multiple teams from only a few valks

[dull schooner]

imma builf coralie then

[spiral badge]

do you have her stigmatas already?

[dull schooner]

does she need any weapon tho?

[dull schooner]

hold on, lemme check

[spiral badge]

her signature weapon is obtainable from early part 2 story

!faq cof

[small willow]

How to find "Covenant of Finality"

Sorry for the confusion, Captain!

Part 2 of the Main Story will unlock at level 30. Both "Covenant of Finality" and "Genealogical Seat" are part of this storyline.

Main Menu (Bridge) > Attack > Story > Extinguished Starlight and Rekindled Fire > Tides of Time gone by > Play!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

if you don't already have her stigmatas then what's your prism count?

[dull schooner]

i have them

[spiral badge]

oh ok great

[dull schooner]

tsiolkovsky if i'm not mistaken

[spiral badge]

yes

[dull schooner]

i guess i have to play P2 story

[spiral badge]

you won't have to go far and part 1 spoilers are minimal in the early parts

[dull schooner]

i already finished P1

i stopped playing after P2 released and came back for sparkle, then dipped out again

[upper laurel]

so, the red dot on her doesnt seem like its gonna go away like it is for the other characters who I'm just not levelling

[spiral badge]

i see. Well you have an idea of how to put together teams with what you have now. If you want to be meta efficient (i know you're in between but you'll have to figure out your own balance), you would use what you already have the best you can for now and save crystals, supply cards, as well as resources like honkai shards, source prisms, pri arm mats for HLE @dull schooner

[upper laurel]

I'm assuming its cuz, in doing the beginners manual, I got the materials that let me do some sort of upgrade to her involving that SP button?

[spiral badge]

yeah it wants you to unlock a skill there

if you're really enjoying playing SI and want her to improve then you can invest a bit early on, but SI isn't really a generally recommended early valk to use

[upper laurel]

Should I do it? Is that a particularily rare material?

[spiral badge]

they're not rare but they are commonly used and you don't have much right now

[upper laurel]

So I just sorta have to deal with the notification dot ig

[spiral badge]

so i wouldn't do it, when you have other things in the fhm faq i linked earlier to consider

!fawq fhm

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[dull schooner]

Yeah, i have 6k crystals for now. I hope to get her weapon early so i can craft her stigmatas (i have 25 prisms)

[upper laurel]

Look I looked at that my guy, it honeslty does not mean a thing to me

Idk what im looking at at all

[spiral badge]

i think the red dot does go away but idr exactly how it would https://i.imgur.com/pmAan0X.png

maybe it doesn't care if you checked the skill already or already unlocked but didn't upgrade it there. idr exactly sorry. If it bothers you then you can unlock that one. It's not a big deal.

[upper laurel]

nah ill just deal

[spiral badge]

we can talk about this more

[upper laurel]

sure but if Vanguard still needs help you can finish helping them first

[spiral badge]

yeah

[spiral badge]

beware the cost to getting a new valk assuming 0 initial pity is 40k crystals roughly speaking

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

perhaps these can help you assess or figure out more sources to gain from

ely will be around for a while too so you can check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for the calendar there

[lyric anvil]

I think the red dot above the Valk is to rank her up

[dull schooner]

i have 55 pity on character banner

[spiral badge]

ok and we will get a free 10 roll too

[upper laurel]

I thought thats what we were talking about lol

[spiral badge]

55 in or 55 away from pity? sounds silly to ask but people have mixed these up before

[dull schooner]

55 in

[spiral badge]

well anyway you can math how far you are from guarantee on both valk and weapon banners

[dull schooner]

okk, i'll do the math

[spiral badge]

how about weapon banner?

[dull schooner]

0 pity

but i have 5 pulls saved

[upper laurel]

oh nvm yeah Riley is right, I ranked them up with the puzzle pieces and the dot went away. and I'm fairly sure literally only they can use the puzzle pieces

[spiral badge]

so 80 more pulls at worst. Multiply that by 280 for the crystals you further need

[lyric anvil]

Unlocking/upgrading Skills ≠ Ranking a Valkyrie

[upper laurel]

sure but idk this lol

[dull schooner]

okk

[spiral badge]

good catch

[upper laurel]

idk anything.

[dull schooner]

22k crystals

-6k

16k crystals left to farm

[spiral badge]

and you can check the crystal faq earlier for other sources you haven't picked up yet, including permanent ones

excluding events, you can roughly get 1k per week (normally it's 2k at a high abyss rank but that's the cost for you and will take a while)

[dull schooner]

i'm gonna check it then

[spiral badge]

make sure to look into ER especially. 500 weekly from it, and maybe you can still get a few perm ones from valks you haven't unlocked or exhausted there yet.

[dull schooner]

i barely can do inferno in ER...

[spiral badge]

we can talk about that more later too. There is a guide in the pins on what signets to pick. VBm at worst can handle abstinence for max crystals but you have sparkle

[dull schooner]

yeah, i need to see a guide for Sparkle

or Senadina if she's still good there but i use her in ER tho, maybe i'm messing up some of the Signets

[spiral badge]

maybe check out this discussion from not too long ago too

[dull schooner]

ok

[spiral badge]

and avoid this option to avoid getting your hp depleted by the stage effect apparently

@upper laurel we can resume talking about this if you're around

[dull schooner]

idk how weather works in ER

[upper laurel]

Yeah?

[spiral badge]

it's different from abyss weathers

ER changes [stage effects] every few weeks. The "weather" we're seeing here is related to real time weather that the server tracks for various effects in it. For the most part aside from the hp reduction you can kinda ignore it and not look into it too much.

[spiral badge]

Is there anything in particular you're confused about?

Otherwise I can attempt to carpet bomb explain every pixel of this image lol

The main things are you can see the valk on the left with her name, her rank (not necessarily her base rank, although for this album that is the case), and her equipment

[dull schooner]

damn, i just want to understand how to not lose that much hp

[spiral badge]

then that's the second reply i gave you earlier. Don't turn on that buff/load effect apparently

[upper laurel]

I mean I get that its a character, their weapon, and the three schemata they're equipped with, but I dont understand how thats a build, how to get any of that if its not pulling on banners, and how that applies to me if it is pulling if I'm supposed to not pull lol

[dull schooner]

but i still get it anyway without that buff, idk why

[spiral badge]

hm i'm not sure then. @abstract sequoia

You can attempt to mitigate it with fu hua signets, or with valks that have alot of iframes in their attacks (not sena for sure. Maybe JDS? Someone recently had trouble with her outburst build though)

you can even take advantage of it with the kalpas signets

[dull schooner]

yeah, that's what i was thinking about

[spiral badge]

none of the equipment there are from pulling. The second link in the faq should've covered some of this actually but anyway

alot of these you can find from searching the foundry (filter to basic stigmatas). Mainly consider crafting the ones that are 3* (blue background rarity) (not shown in the album because they turn purple when upgraded)

some of the higher base rarity ones or the ones that used to be in gacha are available from the starter manual beginner event

so these include

• nebulous duality gloves
• marco polo stigs
• robert peary stigs
• fu hua musician too iirc

coralie's hammer is from early part 2 story

keys of the void is an eventual login giveaway from the starter manual iirc? while some of these weapons are more premium, don't spend any honkai shards on them. You want to prioritize thosee for a new gacha valk you will pull in the future

holy guns kallen is a foundry craftable but beginners get it from the starter manual too iirc

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[lyric anvil]

Yeah HoV signature weapon is part of the same login with her

[upper laurel]

the purple card, is this only for the standard banner?

[outer spruce]

yes

[spiral badge]

yes but hold it for now

[upper laurel]

ASLFJDHAKLJDFH

[spiral badge]

not a big deal dw

[dull schooner]

oh, i don't have Songque battlesuit, i have her Astral ring tho

[spiral badge]

unlike in other hoyo games, there are time sensitive points to use the dorm /standard tickets

[upper laurel]

x.x alright.

[dull schooner]

wdym

[spiral badge]

we have spending events where any crystals and cards you spend will give you further benefits

[spiral badge]

sorry this isn't for you

[dull schooner]

no no, i'm listening as well

[spiral badge]

we have a spending event next patch, and for each spending event 20 dorm cards are eligible

you can find a chart for this in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

it's not too much but it's something

so don't fret over it but keep it in mind down the road

[lyric anvil]

More than 8.4 mini spending

[upper laurel]

going back to this. wdym by searching the foundry

[spiral badge]

there's a few ways to find the foundry menu

• equip > weapon or stigmata > forge
  • can also find the forge button in a equip menu for a valk
• supply > foundry at bottom left

[upper laurel]

Christ wtf is this menu doing hidden in like 3 other menus???

[spiral badge]

in the foundry menu you can find the top row of icons here > right most funnel icon for filters https://i.imgur.com/vJE080O.png

[upper laurel]

Ok. This clears up things. I didnt know that this was even in the game

[spiral badge]

oh actually select stigmatas tab first lol

yeah. Ancient game with too many systems lol

it's natural to be lost and overwhelmed. Good of you to ask

[lyric anvil]

Almost 10 years old

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/sLc3bFg.png you can also click these bars to collapse the category

https://i.imgur.com/sfva5Rw.png

or filter button https://i.imgur.com/x6mfeMx.png

[dull schooner]

oh, i thought about something now. I wanted to use my SS "Miss Pink Elf" in ER

idk if it's possible to use her in some of the difficulties

[spiral badge]

you only really need one valk to clear deep sequence for weekly crystals

so after securing that, feel free to explore ER as you like

MPE is pretty old though so i would expect her to struggle more

[dull schooner]

Yeah she struggles

[upper laurel]

I still dont see how this is a build though. In that its just one character.

Arent you supposed to build a whole team?

[spiral badge]

it's a build for the character if you want a strict answer but i get what you mean

the reason why that's there is so people don't need to focus as much, and can use that one character to handle early story

which doesn't need much

but you can see more full teams later in the album

[lyric anvil]

Story can be soloed with one Valk till you get to a certain point where it gives you trial characters

[spiral badge]

don't read too much into the team building structure in this album btw

early game is super scuffed so team building at this stage is very different from later in the game

[upper laurel]

Ok. well, how do I get this valk?

[spiral badge]

which one?

Most valks are farmable from asterite shop

[upper laurel]

The one in the build screenshot we're talkiing about.. XD

ok. What is the asterite shop XD

[spiral badge]

HoV is from a login reward in the beginner manual iirc?

!faq asterite

[small willow]

Asterite Priority

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view the Asterite Priority list!
-# Aimed at beginner accounts.

Also see Professor Sairaan's Asterite Sources breakdown [here](#👶beginner-help message).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

1 sec

supply > shop > basic currency on left > asterite shop > fragments tab on top

[upper laurel]

no i dont need to buy her from the shop, i found her here

aaaaaaaa slowmode

[spiral badge]

yeah i'm not talking about hov for asterite

hov's other source is war treasury shop but anyway

hohe is there because new players can get her from a paid bundle that's crystal efficient/worth buying

but paying irl money isn't a requirement to enjoy the game

[upper laurel]

hohe

[spiral badge]

JK is from starter manual too

[upper laurel]

x.x look i get it. you have a glossary for all the acronyms

but thats a real new player turn off.

[lyric anvil]

[spiral badge]

i do go out of my way to type them for newer players but at some point players do have to learn to be resourceful for them. Sorry for the inconvenience

but i'm going to request you familiarize yourself with using it

[celest shard]

How the heck am i supposed to get the far left chest in the winterland for summer?

[spiral badge]

maybe i haven't done it enough for you though

[dull schooner]

imma ask one more question and i will shut myself for a while ( i know i asked way too many things, sorry), but should i search for a guide on ER for Sparkle? Most of them are from months ago and i don't think they're really good atp

[spiral badge]

the pins should have an ER guide on what to pick

[celest shard]

Also I MIGHT be able to get thel's sqimsuit but just barely

[spiral badge]

i can't say the same for anything else you may find

[dull schooner]

i'll look for them

[spiral badge]

you need yae companion after unlocking her horse (not the yae katana)

[upper laurel]

idk what you mean by her being "there". Where? The treasury shop?

[spiral badge]

oh i meant there in the album

[outer spruce]

in the beginner team screenshots

[spiral badge]

there's a tab somewhere in your manual that is called Level Rush

hohe herself isn't actually worthwhile from it, but the crystals alone is a good ratio with irl money (check whaling guide in pins if interested)

[upper laurel]

yup. i was thinking of getting it

Oh nvm. 20 bucks.

nope.

[spiral badge]

i do encourage people to play and explore the game more before deciding to spend in it personally

[ancient needle]

Yeah, you have whopping 90 days to decide

[spiral badge]

because hi3 is a much more aged game and its meta emphasis for gacha currency might not be for everyone

[ancient needle]

• monthly is better value xtal-wise

Level Rush is just instant

[storm lantern]

if you happen to have a visa card there should be a 20% discount next patch

[spiral badge]

unlike in hsr or gi, you don't just clear a flat goal set by the devs. Eventually you contest against other players for fastest clears. So the borders to progress can be very high or low depending on who you group with

[upper laurel]

wh...at?

what on earth does the type of card I use have to do with anything?

[ancient needle]

Well, it's a partnership Hoyo made with Visa

We had the same discount in the beginning of the current patch too

[ancient needle]

Or Visa with Hoyo, you get the point

[celest shard]

Ah, so about 30 minutes for me

[spiral badge]

i can't remember. did anyone inform you of this possibility yet? #💁gameplay-help message

not fully confirmed if it will work

[dull schooner]

well, i can't shut up. I noticed that there's some P1 Valks with Astral Ring, how can i get them?

i wanted HoHE's one

[spiral badge]

there's no limit to how much you can ask here btw. feel free if you want to keep asking. we can decide for ourselves if we need to stop or leave and have someone else pitch in

[outer spruce]

you need her new weapon

[celest shard]

So save currency and hope

I MIGTH be able to squeak by and get thel though

[dull schooner]

Thank you for being so helpful, i just didn't want to be too much annoying, there's other people that need help as well

[spiral badge]

so some older valks got new dkeys (stellar keys) that gives them astral ring mechanics

HoFi, HoHE, and next patch HoRb

[dull schooner]

SEELE AS WELL?

my shayla

[outer spruce]

yep

[spiral badge]

meta wise i would encourage you to prioritize HLE ely

[dull schooner]

Yeah, she's still my top one priority

[spiral badge]

HoRb doesn't seem too promising in value (she can support but doesn't really shine in doing so)

[dull schooner]

Is there gonna be any re-runs in the divine keys tho?

[spiral badge]

but if you don't already have much, horb is still a astral ring unit for only 60 pulls at worst

and a divine key for +10 atk

[outer spruce]

yeah, they've rerun before, we just don't know when they will rerun again yet

[spiral badge]

i can only tell you to regularly check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[dull schooner]

i'm gonna pray for HoHE

[spiral badge]

btw if you want to try it out now, you can go to attack > events tab at top > tactics class

hohe should have a specific stage for her new stellar key

you will be given trials even if you don't own the valk, and on the last stages can generally playtest as long as you want

meta wise i don't recommend catching on hohe, or anything in general but as long as you're aware of the opportunity costs (you could be getting something more new instead) it's fine

[dull schooner]

not gonna happen in 8.5 tho...

[upper laurel]

So what about this training shop? should I do anything with it?

[spiral badge]

yeah or else we would let you know lol

!faq training shop

[small willow]

Training Shop

I'm here to help, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view the Training Shop Purchase recommendation!

Please be aware that Jade Knight's Character Card costs only 1 ticket, the requirement to purchase is cumulative for every ticket you earn regardless of if you spent them already.

[dull schooner]

What does her key do tho

just curious

[spiral badge]

give her astral ring mechanics

mainly makes her into a wheel of destiny dps

with tags to support other leaders of the following

• wheel of destiny
• law of ascension
• grail of infinitude

be beware her support uses are lackluster

she only really shines for tank weakpoints

for supporting grail she's more ok

as a dps her boss matchups makes her dependent on thelema

there's alot of details to this if you want to hear more

[dull schooner]

yeah sure!

[spiral badge]

casually you can just use hohe wherever you like and not worry about the details but

alright i'll dig some examples first

[dull schooner]

Ty

[spiral badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDoRid0omj8&list=PL7PX42EmQabYtQDCs2YZFuzBTeRDYss6e&index=1

so here's a case of her supporting lantern dps against tank as mentioned earlier. Lantern is a wheel of destiny ring type leader

you can see how early in p1 and p2 she aims at the back of the tank then causes the tank to get a vulnerability debuff visible at hte right side of its hp at the top

while hohe is usually lackluster, this gimmick makes her worth using for this specific scenario

tank doesn't only have a fire weather (where lantern is emphasized). It can have other weathers with other teams where hohe can still support it

so further down the playlist we have a flux weather (for LoA leader dps) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYa1Tw8cbps&list=PL7PX42EmQabYtQDCs2YZFuzBTeRDYss6e&index=6

and again hohe has the tags to support both kinds of teams. You can see how astral ring system makes team building more flexible in that sense

but i digress

one more example

or rather a few

[upper laurel]

Something about the translation was really poor for chapters 1 and and 2. It seems already much better in ch3

[dull schooner]

yeah, early in the game there were many translation issues, but chapter after chapter they handled most of them

[spiral badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5cc4HFhnWU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94M7uFAXK9A

so hohe has a few issues thelema patches

[dull schooner]

thelema is everywhere

[spiral badge]

• hohe's personal damage when not in outburst (big blue button mode) really sucks. When in charging state, thelema usually deals most of the damage
• hohe's ability to freeze is lacking. Thelema can freeze more on demand and more greatly
• these next few points aren't really a fault of hohe but rather a benefit from thelema
  • this is most important. Normally when you evade an enemy attack perfectly the team restores 2 sp and 1 astral ring intensity (energy). Thelema's weapon lets her restore 2 more ARI for a total of 3. This lets her rapidly evade farm off of specific boss attacks so the team can resume outburst mode
  • thelema's attacks also causes enemies to take more shield damage (or something along those lines). this is relevant to kasumi fight

[upper laurel]

They are even doing like, german words in Bronya's dialogue. Thats really cool.

[spiral badge]

beware thelema's ability to time stop, restore great ARI, and deal enough personal damage all stems from her weapon

[rose holly]

it's russian 😭

[upper laurel]

YOURE RIGHT MYB

[spiral badge]

btw i'm sorry but please be more mindful when chatting about going through the story here

we have a firm no story policy here (as per the bottom pins). All sorts of fresh players are here and people have different sensitivities to that

i know the game is really crappy about some spoilers but that's a fault confined to the game and still not for us to add to it in any way

technically speaking i should urge you to move to other channels like #🎮honkai-chat too when not asking for actual help, but a little bit is ok and i understand sometimes talking can lead to other help topics you may not be aware of

[dull schooner]

more than fair tbh

[spiral badge]

we do have #📚honkai-lore too but ofc you will get spoiled there on various things if you're still early so maybe stay away from it for now

[dull schooner]

so, HoHE needs Thelema and Thelema must have her weapon

[spiral badge]

although the pins there do have resources like a reading order for various media (not just the game)

[spiral badge]

this is meta speaking but yeah. It's fine to not be meta though

the main reason why we emphasize/default to meta is because half of your weekly regular crystal income is from abyss

[dull schooner]

yeah, that's the issue

[spiral badge]

also depending on how high you want to go, the standards get more specific

[dull schooner]

but it's not wrong tho

[spiral badge]

i try to really be redundant about this because it's too easy to get sucked into the meta sphere of the game when it's not the only way to enjoy it lol

[dull schooner]

i don't remember the Ranks's names

[spiral badge]

anyway i talked about the still loose meta standards here not long ago too

[dull schooner]

dw tho, i just want to understand what's best for the characters i like, so i can hold up for them for a while

[spiral badge]

S > S2 > SS > SS 1 > SS 2 > SS 3 > SSS

we've already covered how hohe can be a best support in one specific situation while not best in others, and the idea very much happens across other cases

[upper laurel]

I have to take the screenshot through the pause menu but what keybind presses the button that has the razor wheel in some of these challenge modes. on "Mouse and Keyboard" setup

[spiral badge]

maybe not as extreme as hohe but similar enough

[spiral badge]

right alt?

this right? https://i.imgur.com/hY7vKES.png

idk how it is for a mouse or if you have any keybinds

[upper laurel]

defintiely not that, thats what switches me bet -

[spiral badge]

if you have genshin open then i think hi3 and gi share some process too so GI can force on that setting

[upper laurel]

huh? no, im asking how to press that button. like, in combat.

it activates a buff.

[spiral badge]

oh sorry i completely misunderstood

[upper laurel]

what? im...so confused now. what are you talking about? XD

[spiral badge]

uhh ok let's start over. Can you go back to the main bridge menu > phone bottom right > gear bottom right > assist > show button map > then go back to the stage and see if anything shows up on that button you're talking about

if not then it not be bound yet so you'll have to configure it. I'm not going to know which one though since nothing is well worded in that menu

[upper laurel]

yeah itll show up. i just didnt like how it showed up on everything, and looked like a phone emulator keybind lol

[spiral badge]

yeah i don't like it either. but it's a way to easily diagnose this and we can turn it off after

btw on that note but not too related

[upper laurel]

Alright its T.

[spiral badge]

if you have the bottom black bar with button keys on it and would like that off

[upper laurel]

already did

[spiral badge]

oh ok then

it's show tips but it's just not intuitively named lol

[upper laurel]

yeah I turned that shit off immediatelly, it looked horrible lol, and it was to small for me to even see properly

[spiral badge]

i'm saying it anyway because we do get lurkers here

yeah lmao

[upper laurel]

oh yeah no you're fine

[spiral badge]

anyway @dull schooner what i wanted to say with this was hopefully you understand now how there's no general best team for everything

but for hohe her team is usually thelema, and then sena or vita (breach).

There can always be future replacements

for hle you can maybe look at this but this is beta so it might be different (usually close enough) ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2h4pJnBWuQ||

it starts with horb dps, not hle dps btw

for anyone else, the songs used here are major songs in hi3's main story

so maybe mute if you don't want to be spoiled

[dull schooner]

ok, thanks for taking the time to explain all of this, now i understand how i can handle P2 characters. I'm still on a low level of abyss and i still try to use some P1 battlesuits, but i'll probably try my best to build out this team. For now, i'll focus on HLE

The sad thing tbh is that it's hard to use some of the older units, it's just pitiful

[spiral badge]

if you're not fixated on the character, my main advice is to get something functional enough. This is mainly ring type and two matching tags regardless of what they are (all gacha)

because of how valks have multiple tags usually, you can usually expect to cover stuff eventually with newer release rather than backpulling reruns

yeah a valk's main use peaks on release (you can see abyss schedule in #💁gameplay-help pins)

then become more niche as time goes on

[dull schooner]

something i understood about this game is that re-run are mostly baits

[spiral badge]

some you might see some as common supports but unless you're competing at the very top, you can get by with a slightly worse alternative just fine

f2p wise yes

f2p income can't afford all new releases as is

so there's no room for reruns arguably

but i mean it's a game so player pref/enjoyment are important too

hence why i started asking what you were seeking

[dull schooner]

yeah, it's the best thing for anyone. I just love to use someone that i like and still clearing

[outer spruce]

we usually tell people that it's okay to pursue valks that they like if they're casual, as long as they know that they're giving up another valk that might be more useful down the line

[upper laurel]

im curious about this myself actually.

[dull schooner]

even tho it is harder with and older valk

[upper laurel]

What makes a unit so overwhelmingly bad when its old that this is such a strong suggestion?

[dull schooner]

dmg and utility i guess?

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/hlPIcCq.png
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwi-qtqqmjY||

you can see numbers across various support combinations being quite close here (albeit this is an older beta and there's been changes but the general idea is there for anything else)

[upper laurel]

like, if I had to think in comparison to Genshin for a moment, even the earliest units that buff are still really good because they can buff, yknow?

[outer spruce]

when valks get old, bosses that are meant to be handled by that particular valk are rarely seen anymore

[spiral badge]

mainly opportunity costs. You can be getting something better with the cost you pay instead

but also abyss in this game cycles every half week so we go through alot of situations. More of these situations will favor later release

there is general power creeping too but it's not too tremendous.

[outer spruce]

bosses in abyss are usually meant to shill the debut valk of the patch

[dull schooner]

like every gacha game

[upper laurel]

Right. I mean they do that in Genshin and Honkai too, but what I'm gathering here is that the valks in this game do stuff so individually unique that there are no others that can do the specific thing they can do

[spiral badge]

i don't really play GI anymore so i might be off in some way but

you can kind of think of how natlan nightsoul got emphasized before and now we're seeing lunar reactions emphasized

[upper laurel]

No, thats exactly what it is

[dull schooner]

yeah it's the same stuff

[upper laurel]

Like, literally one for one. That makes total sense, yeah

[spiral badge]

the hohe weakpoint thing is an extreme example tbh

[dull schooner]

or when in HSR, after Hysilens got dropped there's DOT everywhere

[upper laurel]

one moment

[spiral badge]

as i've shown with my recent link various combinations can give you similar damage output as long as you understand the team building system

[upper laurel]

got it, the herscher of human ego weakpoint

[spiral badge]

ah sorry

but anyway there is room to bruteforce (like how i use firefly to handle non break content in hsr sometimes). especially earlier in abyss

[dull schooner]

why call her HoHE when everyone could just call her Savior or sum

[upper laurel]

nah its fine keep doing your acronyms, I'm just going to repeat them as the non acronymed version. partially out of defiance for a system so heavily reliant on acronyms, but also partially because that helps me remember

[spiral badge]

but eventually the meta goal is to get most new releases to have enough coverage to stay in higher tiers

[outer spruce]

certain valks have traits that are meant to be used against the bosses like hitcount, shieldbreak, status conditions, etc

[upper laurel]

see the thing is, I counter any of this "gacha always has power creep" arguement with Wuwa.

Been out for a year now and still no powercreep in sight.

[dull schooner]

peak waves

[spiral badge]

yeah eventually we will reach a territory where there are one for one or more finer mechanics that more specializes a few or one valk out of the rest

[dull schooner]

and Zani is still the most mid character without sig or Phoebe

[upper laurel]

Jinshi still the fucking goat, we just have so many other units that are also goats. There's a best damage dealer but the gap between them is so small and damage optimisations in wuwa come from increases in player skill.

[dull schooner]

JINSHI MENTIONED

[dull schooner]

yeah, it's gonna happen soon

[upper laurel]

I dont even main Jinshi. I'm a disgusting Carlotta C3 haver.

Sorry not carlotta

uhh. Cartwheel. Cartethiya.

[spiral badge]

ok i can't contribute at that point because i don't play wuwa lol

[dull schooner]

i have An S2 Shorekeeper, i just brute force everything with whover i want

[upper laurel]

yeah no its fine. I'm just rebutting the arguement that gachas "always have powercreep"

[spiral badge]

so maybe we should start to move away from this if i were to still be pitching in here lol

[dull schooner]

maybe

[spiral badge]

but also be mindful we do have a no off topic rule. I understand the productiveness of this talk though so try to get what you need out of it

yeah it depends on the gacha. and even if it exists, it may not matter to the player

[upper laurel]

the specifics are unimportant. the overall point is that I dont think powercreep is needed at all. But, it clearly does exist here. so bringing it back to that, is it safe to say that support units have a longer longevity than strictly dps units?

[dull schooner]

everyone plays however they want to

[spiral badge]

uh back in part 1 that was the idea

[ancient needle]

All P2 S-ranks are both supports and DPSes

[spiral badge]

but in part 2 with astral ring, every valk can be a dps or support

[outer spruce]

every gacha s rank in part 2 is a dps/support hybrid

[ancient needle]

So the question is moot that way

[spiral badge]

depending on what ring type and tags they have and how they are placed in the team

[upper laurel]

=T

so team building is mega complicated with part 2 stuff then, eh?

gotchyaa....

[ancient needle]

Not really

[dull schooner]

powercreep is needed, but slowly

[upper laurel]

I disagree with that too

[dull schooner]

in WuWa the powercreep is handled perfectly

[spiral badge]

hence why the system is arguably more flexible and also, with how numbers can get pretty similar in performance, why there isn't a particular mega unit to focus on at this point

[upper laurel]

But thats neither here nor there.

[spiral badge]

ok sorry but please stop this gacha game philosophy talk now lol. We're not the devs

[ancient needle]

!faq astral ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[storm lantern]

you cant really compare competitive gachas to gachas that arent competitive, if there wasnt any powercreep new players would be unbelievably disadvantaged to the point where it wouldnt even be fun to play

[ancient needle]

Check the bottom link for teambuilding

[spiral badge]

we don't direct the designs of HI3

we're here to talk about how it already is and how to navigate it

[upper laurel]

i know, im trying to

[dull schooner]

and that's what matters

[spiral badge]

and really i'm sure there's caveats to all sorts of designs that we can be flexible about how powercreep is but it's irrelevant for now lol

[spiral badge]

i wouldn't say it's complicated. It's just... less intuitive lol

once you get the idea of matching leader ring types to support tags, then all that's left is knowing specific cases (valk or boss gimmicks)

for now if you want to be meta, focus on saving up and rolling for new release (valk and weapon together)