💁gameplay-help

[open bone]

so probably same team

but my vbm is s2

[vernal terrace]

I have two options
FWS dps or FDD dps

[open bone]

oh yeah you can fws too

[vernal terrace]

[open bone]

I think that one was better if you also had hohe to aim weakspot but my memory is mediocre because I don't have badum

[finite barn]

... ok that didnt help o.o

[vernal terrace]

Sadly I don't have her

[open bone]

but yeah IG you can just try both and see which works better, FDD or badum with fdd support. GL

[vernal terrace]

Tried both in beta, FDD did better

But dist in beta is literally ago4

Not meaning RL

[finite barn]

hm ok i got 657 this time but thats still 9th and theres 3 people who havent played yet....

this is hell q.q

tried double outburst and got slightly better, 660

i do not like it here still this is so precarious 😭 i chose the wrong valk to skip for anni saving...

[pale musk]

#💁gameplay-help message I know it’s a little late but could someone answer this please?

[pale musk]

Will this retain or should I try SSS Coralie or 4* Kiana ELF?

https://youtu.be/GRDuOpo-tt4?si=DZcNFXoEnM8NraUX I've gone higher but this is how I'm doing so far

[eager smelt]

if ur gonna insta ring whats the point of delaying hofi wa

[crude cloak]

For the QTE I assume

But you can just do basics

[pale musk]

Ye QTE

[quasi pier]

oh thank god, i didn't want to fight fire tank in nirv

[pale musk]

I wanted to try but good point

[vernal bronze]

At least you’re in kekvana

[pale musk]

not for long

[quasi pier]

i'll take my myriad and leave

[vernal terrace]

I survived this boss

[open bone]

I did not

-100. Wasn’t expecting to tho

[vernal terrace]

Barely survived

[vernal terrace]

Yeah-
My bracket was mostly Vita

[open bone]

I outscored 2 vitas!

But there were 12 more above me

Woulda been 15th in your bracket instead of 13th in mine but the cutoff was abt the same

[vernal terrace]

I outscored all the other PAWS' and some vita's

[vernal terrace]

Surprised I did

[open bone]

Chenxue and skill diff op

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

Next boss should be fun

[dusty dagger]

Wait wtf

Oh 18 person abyss

[full trench]

i needed 666 to +100 which i dont think was possible for me

[narrow cedar]

thats what u get for rolling 3x SSS bracket

[full trench]

true skill issue

[narrow cedar]

i cant believe you thought my score was in the 800s

[full trench]

well who would do side stage for a double digit number of points so it looks higher thats just cringe

[finite barn]

Ugh I demoted again... Not having fdd is killing me

[dusky mantle]

Ehehe

[modern yew]

Fdd isnt that big of a deal breaker fot bita dps, especiallly in rl

[dusky mantle]

I feel attacked

[finite barn]

Then it was either aop diff or bad bracket because I ended with 669 and got 12th /shrug

[vernal terrace]

Your bracket must have been more sweatier than mine

[finite barn]

Or like... Vita rank diff ig, I found refs with the same team that got 700ish but they all had ss+ aops or s2 vita so I think I did decently for what I did have, stopped trying when I was 9th cause the person above me was at 681 which I didn't think I could catch up with

And when I logged in after finalization I was 12th

[vernal terrace]

Sniped

[finite barn]

Tbf I stopped trying because it just didn't seem worth it

[vernal terrace]

Fair enough
Surprised I retained with 655 PAWS dps

[finite barn]

The point gap between rank 1 and rank 10 in rl is so small these days and I will forever complain about this

[vernal terrace]

You definitely had the more sweaty and whel bracket

[finite barn]

Like I don't think I maxed out the score I could have gotten with hofi/vbm but it probably wouldn't have been any more than 680... I'm p sure I did the best rot I could I was just a few points slow on vbm ult at start and probably could have done a better transition to phase 2 change

[open bone]

Yeah bracket luck in this game is real

[finite barn]

Literally only 1 other person who had played when I was playing in my bracket didn't have fdd q.q

[open bone]

At least you have vita tho

It took so much work to scrape 602 with paws and SS DS

[finite barn]

I mean if I didn't have Vita I probably would be less salty about it lmao

[open bone]

And it didn’t matter at all

[finite barn]

I would have just 18000 and accepted my fate XD

Which is basically what I did on benares a few cycles ago

[vernal terrace]

SS Chenxue two SO PAWS dps

[finite barn]

Hopefully things will be better once ignite rimestar is past...

[vernal terrace]

It's Herrscher of Ice

[finite barn]

Oh so it is

[plucky gust]

how to exit on skateboard form on kid dudu?

[neon narwhal]

hold weap

[plucky gust]

thanks 🙂

[oblique juniper]

hi, idk if this in relevant or not but how to use incredible pumpkin headpiece in assemble summer friendship resort event for getting the sidekick

[craggy plume]

talk to the sidekick after buying

[oblique juniper]

where u can talk to the sidekick?

[craggy plume]

mountain lower left corner area that you need Sakura to join to access which gives you access to the ghost companion

[oblique juniper]

thanks

[foggy vapor]

is it worth trying to pull the new coralie this late or should i just wait and save for the next suit? idk if i can say the new suit in this chat yet

[rigid cedar]

with spoilers you can

also, it's still worth it if you can save up in time

use the crystal income calculator in #👶beginner-help pins under "wall of guides"

just need to add event rewards and extra things manually

[foggy vapor]

got it thank you!

[rigid cedar]

no problem c:

[obtuse lintel]

How is this team played?

[spiral raven]

if you dont have klein prob not worth to try

[obtuse lintel]

why is she using GD gear 😭

[spiral raven]

she there to buff

she provides tf on ult while she has sp, needed for the strat

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1gebbz9EoH/

[obtuse lintel]

and i just realized she is using GD gear

what am i gonna use now in img boss

[obtuse lintel]

cant use this becasue already used GD gear in GD

and cant use trio cuz already used hotr there

[spiral raven]

u could technically use another 50 lvl pistol to pri to get eden sig

[obtuse lintel]

time to use old Dudu ig

[spiral raven]

do you have sleepy teri

[obtuse lintel]

no

[spiral raven]

how about loa

rs + 2 loas should be ok

[obtuse lintel]

the what

[spiral raven]

rs sparkle badum can get u 39920

dudu

[obtuse lintel]

i mean, old dudu, not rs

[spiral raven]

well i was asking if u had rs but sounds like no lol

old dudu only choice then yea

[obtuse lintel]

[spiral raven]

locked valks too early

ig

[obtuse lintel]

didnt think it too much when i used luna on the other one

well, this is what i can do

[spiral raven]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1EB4y1o7MJ/?vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9

can try this

[obtuse lintel]

no horb so cant try that either

[spiral raven]

no horb kinda hurts yea, 39760
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV17A411X7Mf/?vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9

oh, but idk ur ranks

this one 9s xd

ur score is prob good enough alr lol

[obtuse lintel]

let alone my ranks

my gear

[spiral raven]

then yea you just do one run then sleep

which uve alr done

[obtuse lintel]

my hos is S

with this

[spiral raven]

das pretty ancient

was good for its time

[formal wigeon]

that's a lie

[spiral raven]

good enough as cope

[formal wigeon]

never was good

[obtuse lintel]

my SI is SS

and only have her weapon

[spiral raven]

ive ran it in the past when i had nothing

[obtuse lintel]

it has saved me a lot of times

i mean, not like getting me to RL but was good enough for its time

[formal wigeon]

it's subpar gpn that already is cope

tho tbh

HoO HFI + random supp you can find is prolly better than that either way

even just the 2 without a 3rd

[obtuse lintel]

[formal wigeon]

yeah that works

[spiral raven]

no dk on hofi i see

[obtuse lintel]

[spiral raven]

o

huh i just realise it dont show the astral thing in that menu

[obtuse lintel]

well, it activates AR when hofi is leader

[spiral raven]

i meant like an icon on her, in other screen

oh well anyways, u can give it a shot

[obtuse lintel]

it tells you with there

"astral ring system activation"

or "elf system activation"

how was Fischl gameplay?

CA + weapon?

[formal wigeon]

weap + tap atk for self qte

and spawn oz yeah

[obtuse lintel]

ye

[formal wigeon]

ult if available and you want the extra buffs

[obtuse lintel]

didnt ult replace weap?

i mean, ca

[formal wigeon]

ult resets Oz yeah

[obtuse lintel]

not weap

well, i can try ig

no way

[spiral raven]

u can use weap on the orbs btw

[obtuse lintel]

that was not just run and dodge?

[spiral raven]

u wanna eva those orbs and then hit them for buff

[obtuse lintel]

[obtuse lintel]

just did 11 seconds less than this but in training mode

meh, i think i can just be happy with this

[spiral raven]

hmm i gaved it a shot, idk how useful it can be

but i think at least the way i applied buffs in transition can maybe be use?

and it feels like i fischl ulted too early but w/e

if u low on dmg p1 u might need to dodge two orbs instead and stuff
but yea, i mean u can keep trying if u feel its fun ig

[latent stream]

How can I solve this?

[craggy plume]

Light the brazier

You should have a bomb item for that

[vague flame]

is there anyone worth buying in bp anymore

[boreal eagle]

save balls for next one

[latent stream]

I don't have anything like that

[vague flame]

Who

[dark phoenix]

go back to the base, find to house that you just built and make some

[latent stream]

Got it tyy

[shell quail]

I suck

I am running in blind tho

[rare iris]

I blind suck

[shell quail]

[fair oyster]

nuh uh

[dusky mantle]

Hi

Is coralie dragon breath ranged

[narrow cedar]

no

[dusky mantle]

Because i remember HoT breath being melee

While riding kurikara

[narrow cedar]

cora is special case all her damage is ignite damage, it is neither ranged or melee

[dusky mantle]

Oh right

[narrow cedar]

the only attack that isn't is the stellar ouburst attack when you first use it, the first hit

that one should be melee

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/hE9eJNC.png

[narrow cedar]

sushang is the same

[dusky mantle]

Ayt thx

[narrow cedar]

which is funny cause stellar outburst is the only attack of hers that can crit

and it doesn't ahve a 100% crit rate even with SSS Teri lol

[dusky mantle]

Just minmaxing ER haha

[rigid cedar]

I'd say if you're just missing a weapon or stigma for limited bp valks and you KNOW it increases your valk's use, go for it. The thing you need to consider for the current limited valks are that Sena, LV and FoV have very limited use nowadays and 2/3 of those require full gear supports to even stand a chance with p2 for their favored bosses.

[vague flame]

Got it ^^ who do you think is used the most so far? Hoo is a pretty big choice so far I've seen, I have her, her weapon,some stigmata but I need some stamps

[rigid cedar]

reserve works is an entirely different topic

[vague flame]

I already skipped fov and lv but I have Sena 4/4 already, I just have a lot of bp balls and idk what to do with them :p

[rigid cedar]

for that HoO and HoFi definitely are what you may want to pick up for MA shenanigans. Not to mention the potential for full trio if we do get HoTr somehow ;)

[rigid cedar]

i mean what's her current rank?

[vague flame]

I have both and their weps as well! I do want hotr 😭
Is there any certain stigmata I should go for other than their signatures?

[vague flame]

Shes only S I think 💔 I'm not sure I'm outside rn so I'd have to check in a second

[rigid cedar]

you can get s2 for free from ER shop

just need to farm rusty sigils

which will need about 3 er runs to max out the farmable 1k per week

[rigid cedar]

Turgenev tb + Mei: Beach m/Avo m and Aslaug 3pc is what comes to my mind

she rly wants weapon though, which will be hard to come by

[vague flame]

I have her wep

[dusky mantle]

Wait wtf i cant stack 10k points in day 1??

[rigid cedar]

ah, thought i was the only one having her weapon before her

[vague flame]

My p1 weapon rng was so good...

[rigid cedar]

i got it when i fell for starter supply bait

and when hofi was still on it

[vernal terrace]

Me with HoRb

[rigid cedar]

off-chance for HoTr wep and i didn't know what I got back then until I got smarter

[vague flame]

Can hotr be added to bp

🙏

[vernal terrace]

Tbh I'm gonna see this as a win due to ||next patch||

[rigid cedar]

less likely, because she was in bp already

[vague flame]

That's sad

[rigid cedar]

last bp before the rework

[vague flame]

No reserve works?

Ill keep hoping

[rigid cedar]

I'd say eventually, but we really can only guess when

[vague flame]

Ja 😔

[rigid cedar]

I'd scream if she comes to war treasury

although i do have her SS already

[vernal terrace]

||Actually her and her gear are getting added to reserve next patch lol||

[rigid cedar]

WHAT

[vernal terrace]

[rigid cedar]

[vernal terrace]

I can nab a photo if you want proof, but also in the pins of #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[rigid cedar]

i checked through them but didn't see bp stuff

||only free hotr box?||

[vernal terrace]

||It's in there||

[rigid cedar]

omw to SSS

[rigid cedar]

for the lurkers tho, keep in mind that hotr SS is the max gain you can get from ranks

everything above is dps upgrades

[vernal terrace]

[rigid cedar]

until SSS where you get a 3s TF for MA

and 40 SP when Salvo hits

so no more sp issues for good on that rank

[rigid cedar]

||> HoTr, Thelema and Aladdin||
Ambatuk-

[vernal terrace]

||Thelema ain't reserve though||

[rigid cedar]

yea but still

[vernal terrace]

||Double thelema funny tbh||

[rigid cedar]

||Sencho finally getting her weapon ||

[vernal terrace]

[rigid cedar]

||Might get S2 at least||

[vernal terrace]

||I'm just gonna attempt to get her from spending and that's it||

[rigid cedar]

||warning in advance, prepare crystals for wep or you'll suffer like me||

[modern yew]

So many spoiler tags

[vernal terrace]

[rigid cedar]

sry got too excited for next patch

[vernal terrace]

We all are

[rigid cedar]

they can't say p2 is bad anymore for good

[finite barn]

Is thelema still used a lot? Idk I don't have her so idk

[rigid cedar]

so much good shit coming out

[rigid cedar]

she's a core member for any ice boss

and WoD ring

[vernal terrace]

Mainly delegated to HoHe dps

[rigid cedar]

thel still does the heavy lifting dps outside ring

[vernal terrace]

True

[rigid cedar]

so who's the real dps

[vernal terrace]

[rigid cedar]

I'd say still thelema

[finite barn]

Huh does she... Never felt hoh dps bosses were that bad without

[vernal terrace]

ARC: Thelema
SO: HoHe

[rigid cedar]

your best astral ring energy battery basically

[finite barn]

Ah I see battery

[rigid cedar]

and kills everything that HoH would be countered by

[finite barn]

Naruhodo

[rigid cedar]

some MA bosses also still want you to SO with thelema anyway, in which case Ely's leader skill is her SP battery

Abyss bosses for Thelema still want her as lead ofc

Huodou for example

[vernal terrace]

Mainly ones that HoHe is TC by

[rigid cedar]

[vernal terrace]

Of which- outside Houdou who else is Bio for ice bosses-

[rigid cedar]

uh...

Raven

[vernal terrace]

She's bio-?
I thought she was PSY

[rigid cedar]

that's it i think

[rigid cedar]

nope, bio

[vernal terrace]

Huh interesting

[vernal terrace]

Rare boss

[rigid cedar]

also melee attack counter mechanic

no way hoh is leader

[vernal terrace]

HoHe ranged

[dusty dagger]

thel boss btw

[vernal terrace]

Fair enough
Me is dumb

[rigid cedar]

a feather mald boss i want to try properly when she comes back

[finite barn]

Oh right Raven exists

I remember making raven with hor... Good times

[rigid cedar]

at least thel wep made evas more practical for ari farming

to the point of being broken

[vernal terrace]

Better than the Valk next patch after her

[rigid cedar]

keep in mind when lantern dropped though

and what the dominating team would be afterwards

[vernal terrace]

True

[rigid cedar]

usually her, thel and sena

mixed and matched any way you need it

[vernal terrace]

Sena is still the best support for WoD, elemental wise I believe idk if she can give breach to JDS

[rigid cedar]

she doesn't

that's why lamp and thel were here BiS, lamp gave crit rate and thel crit dmg

[vernal terrace]

Ah

[rigid cedar]

with lamp, you could go above 100% crit rate on jds for her crate boosted attacks, without sera

which were CA and Ult i believe

[vernal terrace]

Jesus

[rigid cedar]

and with sera, you soften the blow of crit dmg conversion into rate

i hated not having her, my jds was never full power

lacking thel wep aside

[vernal terrace]

My LoA lacking Teri

[rigid cedar]

welcome to the club pal

[vernal terrace]

Chenxue not bad at least since all LoA have Symbiosis

[rigid cedar]

i basically locked myself in into thinking she is good

thankfully she is

[vernal terrace]

Same
Though she doesn't buff my PS well over DS-

[rigid cedar]

that's fine for me with the initial ari gain

[vernal terrace]

True

[crude cloak]

Yes, but JDS has extra buffs for having Ele Breach

[rigid cedar]

oh yea i forgor

[vernal terrace]

[crude cloak]

Also there wasn't much mix and matching if the ranks are fixed

It's just Sena Thele

For S0

Thele Lantern is on the more whale side

[rigid cedar]

and the crate buff from lamp?

[crude cloak]

You just reset

[rigid cedar]

considering seraless

[full trench]

but you would use vita now right

[vague flame]

Ayo???

[crude cloak]

Depends on the boss

[full trench]

[crude cloak]

vs SD Alien you'd use Sena Thele still

Cuz Sena can contribute well

[full trench]

sena really is a god valk when u dont have to play her

[crude cloak]

But vs a non-SD boss like Assaka it was Vita, yes

[rigid cedar]

absent goddess

canon gameplay

[crude cloak]

Well, if you wanted guaranteed crits without Sera it was Sena Lantern

[rigid cedar]

oh

i thought crit dmg was more impactful on jds

or were thels other buffs just bad in comparison

[crude cloak]

The meta comp was still Sena Thele

Cuz just reset

But its crit rate sucks

Relatively

[rigid cedar]

idk, i think the idea of full crit dmg jds wasn't fully explored

[crude cloak]

Well, Wyv made affix comparisons back then iirc

And full CDM wasn't ever best iirc

[rigid cedar]

yea affixes, but also considering support comps?

and sera/seraless

[crude cloak]

Sena Thele had highest buffs regardless of AO, then Thele Lantern, then Sena Lantern

The crate is in ascending order tho

[rigid cedar]

damn

so the lacking buffs are the culprit

maybe the sups could also change affix priority is what comes to mind

[crude cloak]

Yes, the affix comparisons included that

[rigid cedar]

yea im looking at it rn

no lamp+sena unfortunately

but i see the point, marginal differences

except when lamp softens sera's crit dmg conversion

[willow wedge]

Is HoFi waxing weapon good alternative for Badum?

[rigid cedar]

cay made a good badum guide including alt weapons. this was the result for dps, but you also need to consider the lost buffs

[crude cloak]

Far from ideal, it's just a stat stick

[half hatch]

There isn't really a good alternative besides the signature weapons most of the time

[crude cloak]

For Badum support it should be acceptable

[willow wedge]

Yeah i mainly want her as support, so at least i know if she reruns i can get her and not worry too much about her weapon just yet

[crude cloak]

I wouldn't say she's worth getting atp though

[rigid cedar]

i mean who do you want to support?

[crude cloak]

Or is that for personal reasons

[crude cloak]

Regardless of whether you go for the weap or not

[willow wedge]

I don't know how to say who I wanna support without getting muted again 🥲

[crude cloak]

Getting muted by mentioning a valk is impressive ngl

If you're talking about 8.5 you can just use spoiler tags

[half hatch]

|| before and after the sentence you wanna spoiler or using / spoiler

Just make sure the info is already known to CN

Check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for that

[willow wedge]

||new ely||

[willow wedge]

Thank you so much omg

[half hatch]

||the most notable things will probably be the missing buffs from the weapon since badum doesnt really have utility locked behind her weapons as a support ( as a dps she'll miss tfd after her stellar shift), though you could also opt to use another symbioses support if you have them, also is this questions related to if you should pull waxing or is it if you should get fws from carnival ?||

[willow wedge]

||its if i should pull badum from carnival. I have waxing, and FDD, so seeing the beta videos have badum as support i considered getting her. I don't have any other p2 valks, just FDD, VBm and bolstorm so figured i could backpull so that i can go up to agony 3||

[open bone]

||from a purely meta perspective I think peregrine sword is probably the better pull for you from carnival because she has less overlap; HLE can cope stardust Badum weathers and FDD can cope fire ones, whereas PS gets you hitcount and bleed shields. But Badum is at least second best (PS might well have even more buffs on her weapon and you probably don’t have any waxing tier cope fists, I just don’t remember enough of Badum’s kit to compare) and it’s probably not too much of a difference, especially in A3, and 2 symbiosis supports is definitely better than 1+blastmetal||

[dusky mantle]

Woah

Wall of text

[open bone]

Yeah that got away from me lmao

Anyway it’s not efficient to spend crystals backpulling Badum or PS because battlesuits only partly for themselves when they are just released and every patch that goes by means missing out on part of that value

And especially don’t pull on carnival past free pulls unless you’re prepared to go to pity if you have to.

[naive shoal]

my goal is to atleast get 700 bonus point but its been 3 trys and im still averaging on 600

[half hatch]

what team are you using ?

[naive shoal]

fdd paws vbm

my only team lmao

[dusky mantle]

Ibsee

Fire tank memes

[vernal terrace]

[half hatch]

abyss isn't open for me yet so i can't try though i'd imagine that you'd score higher in agony 2, you can describe or record a run if you want and we can help you improve

[rigid cedar]

that team should be enough for Agoni 2

[vernal terrace]

That would be the same team I'm using whenever Abyss opens

[rigid cedar]

it will be the same team I'll be running in nirvana

[vernal terrace]

[rigid cedar]

okay maybe vita over vbm

[willow wedge]

So should I just keep saving and pulling new p2 valks? Or ||is PS the preferred valk if i do decide to pull on carnival?||

[rigid cedar]

new valks will give you more on average really. PS is only a good addition IMO if you pull her for dps

[willow wedge]

Especially since I only have 2 p2 valks currently (fdd and vbm)

[rigid cedar]

yea definitely go for new valks

[half hatch]

|| beta is still subject to change and support may also still change if the buff saturation gets adjusted. For carnival pulls it's best to decide once they're here and we have a general consensus||

[rigid cedar]

unless you saved up way too many crystals

[willow wedge]

Gotchu

[willow wedge]

I wish lol only got 32k so far

[rigid cedar]

to add to that only very few ppl know how to play new valks properly early on, not to mention in v2 cn beta

most techs are only rly known a bit into the glb live patch

[willow wedge]

Yeah, good point. Guess I'll wait for more info

[rigid cedar]

on cn release you can study them earlier if you watch many refs

that's how most come to us, unless we do invent something ourselves

(jds fish skip for example )

[willow wedge]

[half hatch]

Didn't we copy that from kr

[rigid cedar]

kr isn't cn is what i mean, so you wouldn't learn it from bili refs

they learned about it later, then hoyo caught on and patched it, just to say in which order things went

[vernal terrace]

||I only have two options to choose for carnival next patch||

[rigid cedar]

||i think my only viable option is vita since I got everyone||

[naive shoal]

ok i tried recording but my laptop keeps overheating so the footage lags so bad but i can try recording using my phone (shitty cam qual) if thats fine 😭 like recording my screen irl

[vernal terrace]

||Spork or Vita for me, though likely Vita for FDD since Spork ain't gonna do much, well maybe for LoA anyways||

[rigid cedar]

how do you record? sounds like you're setting the quality too high

[naive shoal]

obs

[rigid cedar]

okay i can help with obs

[half hatch]

dw i've used awa refs shit quality is something i can manage

[half hatch]

|| could consider PS and FWS ranks for MA though s2 vita is also nice tbf ||

[vernal terrace]

Trying to think if VBm Ult can hit tank or if it misses

[rigid cedar]

reduce bitrate by a lot, record with 720p scaling, use your GPUs encoder if its not already maxed out by the game, otherwise use cpu

fyi, quicktime is the igpu encoder for intel

amd and nvidia are obvious

and make sure you actually change recording settings, not streaming settings

did that mistake before

and for embedding vids to work properly, use mp4

everything clear or do you need some further explanations on something?

there's also other settings aside from bitrate to make recording less resource heavy, we could go through that too if you need it

[rigid cedar]

||s2 bita makes her viable for MA||

which is kinda my thought

the other two already are without rankups

[rare iris]

Don't pcs/laptops nowadays since like 2017+ have like built in screen recorder like gamebar or something

Threw away obs and Nvidia shadowplay as I sticked to gamebar lol

[rigid cedar]

they do, but it's either too straining for low spec laptops or the settings aren't ideal

at least from my experience

at the very least the quality will be too high to just upload here

[rare iris]

I've been using gamebar when I still had rx560 and settings of gamebar are set to high still kekw

Got better after getting a new gpu

[rigid cedar]

well i could record just fine with my rx570

[rare iris]

Obs and Shadowplay sucked balls

[rigid cedar]

obs is just much tinkering tbh

shadowplay is like an obs lite with less settings, same for amd radeon's stuff which is LITERALLY obs

[rare iris]

I tried tinkering with mine too but making the quality close to what I get with gamebar always ends up with higher file sizes with obs

[naive shoal]

where can i find the bitrate? i only find streaming bit rate also by how much is a lot

[rigid cedar]

at the bottom of the recording tab

[rare iris]

Shadowplay, only reason I toss this is because it locks my fps at certain degrees kekw

Even without recording

Cause the problem was the whole app

[rigid cedar]

the left sidebar tab is Output btw

[naive shoal]

am i slow

which one is it 😭

[rigid cedar]

Settings

that should open a window similar to this

[naive shoal]

yeah check that its only available for streaming like bit rate choice hold on i accidentally closed obs

[rigid cedar]

depending on the rate control, it's either bitrate or constant qp

[rare iris]

What gpu does your laptop have tho

Or specs rather

[rigid cedar]

constant qp is preferred tbh, because it changes bitrate based on the complexity of your recording

[naive shoal]

simple and advanced settings

oh ok nvm i figured it out

how much should i reduce it to

[rigid cedar]

23 looks good actually, but you might want to change the video encoder to something gpu based

x264 is encoding with only your cpu

which is very ineffective and resource heavy especially when your cpu is weak to begin with

[naive shoal]

my graphics card is old ig thats why

[rigid cedar]

quicksync h.264 is what you want

thats intel's igpu encoder

the rate control will change to something else, so make sure it's at 23 again

hevc is more file size efficient, but discord doesn't like to embed those videos

[rigid cedar]

other than that, you can change under "Video" the output resolution

change it to 720p on both output and scaled resolution

[naive shoal]

is it this one

[rigid cedar]

you might have to drag your recording screen smaller after changing that

[rigid cedar]

yea

also 30 fps is fine, 60 is great but not necessary to know whats going on

will also cut your file size down, since you're essentially recording half of the frames if your game is usually at 60fps

[naive shoal]

alright let me try again

i have pretty old specs im not surprised if it still lags

[rigid cedar]

also, one more thing. you'll have to run obs in admin if you want to only record hi3 instead of your desktop

because hi3 is running as admin

[rigid cedar]

it'll be better than before

can go down further with ingame and recording resolution if you're really struggling

lets say i have experience with weak setups

[naive shoal]

yeah it still lags although atleast not as bad as before

i have a 2017 laptop

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542698656705413132/1377233110403649626/image0.gif

lowest in game quality

i did somehow managed to get an extra 40 points somehow ig i locked in a bit

ok back to gameplay i think right now i want to try to trigger vbm ult faster because throughout the whole play i only ulted vbm once

my rotation is vbm ult > paws ult twice > fdd ult once > SO after that usually vbm buff is still there so i just rotate between fdd and paws to fill up the ring faster and unless buff runs out i dont rotate to vbm

[vernal terrace]

The second Ult with paws is unnecessary (wastes time, sorry if that may came off as rude-)
SO in phase 1 might not be a good choice here (would suggest in phase 2 since Ago2 is very paper.)

[naive shoal]

ult in first phase or 2nd?

[vernal terrace]

If you're doing two ults in P1, it's unnecessary since QTE and Ult both proc PAWS' buffs but if you're using DS I may suggest doing at least one Ult since that's stellar drain

[naive shoal]

so for p1 i should just go straight to vbm weapon active then instead of ult?

i just wanna time her ult buff tbh

[vernal terrace]

Oh no- that's meant for PAWS
VBm is different

Ult Jump BA WA is vbm starter rot

Or WA Ult WA

If I could, I would record but Abyss ain't open for me

Yet

[naive shoal]

lmfao its fine i can wait

[vernal terrace]

No lamp, I'm pretty much using the same team as you though one difference is likely Aop but I can record a ref with DS later

[naive shoal]

my vbm is not fully maxxed out too does that make any difference

her gear

[vernal terrace]

Probably will since mine is maxed

But hopefully for you shouldn't make much of a difference since you're in a lower tier of Exalted than me

[elfin parrot]

2pc and 3pc effects don't change with levels/upgrades. Only the individual stig effects. Give them a read and search on the wiki for their max values

or you can bring it up in #wiki-consult

[vernal terrace]

^

[elfin parrot]

technically it's the upgrades that boost the stig effects. levels only boost the stats

[rigid cedar]

syntax is !stigmasetname/stigmaname which is "gaming for life" in fdd's case. for vbm you use the name "Tsiolkovsky"

can also call separate pieces by adding t m or b

[vernal terrace]

M stig buffs don't change when upgraded

[elfin parrot]

i believe they do?

[vernal terrace]

They do with VBm?

[elfin parrot]

you might be confusing it with how we recommend skipping levels for it (because for elemental damage dealers, you don't get any atk stat for damage from this. for phys you do want to max it out for the marginal crt stat)

for vbm i'm unsure

[vernal terrace]

Ah

[elfin parrot]

but i know the effects of interest are from m and b for vbm supporting the team

one for phys and one for elem

idr which is what

but nothing too major so what you said earlier about not upgrading for now is the right call probably

[vernal terrace]

Best to save their prisms while I said upgrading them wouldn't matter since they're in Agony 2

[rigid cedar]

full set for supports matter most over upgrading said sets

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

[vernal terrace]

And yeah, max 16% elemental DMG on M stig
Level 1 is half that

T buff is not that notable since VBm has her QTE off

[elfin parrot]

level 1? it's shouldn't be related to levels. Keep in mind there's a level 1 for 1/35, 1/40, 1/45, 1/50

in other words each upgrade point

[vernal terrace]

Oh yeah true

1/35 is 8%
1/50 is 16%

[naive shoal]

lmfao yeah ok thanks that helped alot

[vernal terrace]

[naive shoal]

although im curious if its possible to get higher than that?

[vernal terrace]

[elfin parrot]

maybe record and show us what you're doing? If you haven't yet check out references from various content creator/sources. You can find them from pins here, or in #video-creations

i don't expect you to find any references that matches your conditions exactly. most will just be RL tier and above

but you can still observe and study bits and pieces to import into parts of the run you don't feel are as well polished

[vernal terrace]

Planned on recording a ref for them since I'm planning on using the same team as them

[elfin parrot]

do you match their abyss tier?

[vernal terrace]

Not exactly

[elfin parrot]

you already said earlier your gear doesn't match completely too so maybe see if you adjust your team to make it weaker to compensate if you want something they can more closely follow

[vernal terrace]

Glut T, FHM MT on VBm then?

[elfin parrot]

might be tricky to ask since stig 3pc are such a big deal nowadays, alongside sig weapons as per usual

no clue

prob not glut

[vernal terrace]

Og T?

[elfin parrot]

keep in mind of glut's trigger condition and uptime. not fitting for most p2 valks

[vernal terrace]

Ah

[elfin parrot]

you can try ogier T or even nothing at all

[vernal terrace]

Alright

[elfin parrot]

it's just really hard to say

[naive shoal]

should i send my build or

[elfin parrot]

like let's say they are doing 85% of your damage, but changing your stigs or weapon makes you lose 30% with no inbetween

just hypothetically

that's what i'm worried about for this current situation right now

[elfin parrot]

sure

it might be better if you send a video tbh

because your build is only half the story

the higher tier inflating enemy stats will affect the proportions too

[naive shoal]

cant exactly screen record cuz i have old gpu but i can try to record irl? (shitty android quality tho)

[elfin parrot]

hm be careful of revealing anything sensitive if you opt to do that but if you're ok with it, then up to you

otherwise maybe you can do one full rotation, and screenshot how much hp the boss has left
and describe your actions in detail when showing it

[vernal terrace]

[lapis raven]

jajaja tank is copeable now

[elfin parrot]

oooh

anyway neo, bosses don't really change attack behavior or patterns in higher tiers. What changes is how tanky they are (hp, possibly also res and def)

so what really matters is the proportion of damage dealt

lets say some beginner is dealing 1x damage to a boss with only 10x hp in a low tier

but an advanced player is dealing 10x damage to a boss with 100x hp in a higher tier

the fight is roughly going to play out the same

same number of hits or actions to defeat the boss loosely speaking

[crystal barn]

does the damage explanation video of keebster is still applicable in P2? i feel like they introduce a lot and need to rewatch it

[elfin parrot]

for the most part keebster's video is still good for understanding the game's damage at a foundational level

some of the newer things that came up since then are bleed and ignite damage but you can basically think of it as a separate category just like how keebster introduces total damage vs phys damage being separate from each other

melee and ranged as well

part 2 has introduced other new things like resonance damage for world star ring type. i haven't seen any actual math on that but i mostly think of it as separate still

[naive shoal]

wait ok lmao i figured out a way to record while not lagging but the game isnt fullscreen let me see if i can upload it here

[elfin parrot]

and well, you don't really get to pick and choose too much when you only have a few realistic options in hi3

[elfin parrot]

try streamable if it's less than 250mb, or youtube otherwise for larger

[naive shoal]

no audio because i forgot to change audio source

[elfin parrot]

oh actually one of the more complicated things that is newer is

• horb converting excess crit rate into crit damage. JDS and/or serapeum may have this too?
• jade knight sushang and p1 hohe converting sp consumed into higher damage output
  • both of these cases are vastly out of date by today though

as for p2, vita can convert her breach team buff into some other buff if some other team breach already exists. This is pretty similarto the above but isn't as dynamic. it's just one or the other, like a switch

[lapis raven]

ugh i got hitlagged at the end

[elfin parrot]

rather than display capture, try window capture.

if you have to use display then learn to crop out the outer stuff and keep it to just the game in the preview before recording (select a source, then hold alt as you drag its borders to crop. alternatively, right click source to add filter > crop)

but anyway as long as nothing sensitive (whether it's personal, or rule breaking for the server here, or involves anyone else) is in the extra space, it's no real problem

[elfin parrot]

@vernal terrace are you still around to review this? I need to hop off soon.

[vernal terrace]

Oh yeah

[elfin parrot]

vbm ult is usually not worth the time to use once the enemy is available. You only really see it at the start because we're still waiting for the enemy to spawn in so there's no time loss there.

• benefits of the ult without it hitting anything is that you max out your passive 3 stack buff (can see above hp meter) and get 3 ari for your outburst (big blue button)
  • but you still would want to weapon active before and after for the eternal dream effect from vbm's 3pc stig effect and m and b effects. Cast it a second time to extend its duration to 30s (also 3pc)

there can rare exceptions where it's ok to wait for the enemy to use vbm ult so that it actually hits the enemy

[crystal barn]

Does Vita and Dragon Coralie do the same?

[elfin parrot]

the 2pc effect has a debuff that you can only really get from ult hitting or outburst. it's not too major so we usually give up on it, but if you really need that debuff for a clean phase, you can do it

[elfin parrot]

i thought i covered vita there. FDD idk. i honestly haven't read her skills yet

[vernal terrace]

I can

[crystal barn]

Just confused why vita and coralie on the same team when they both provide breach

Also I dont have vita which is why im having a problem ascending in RL

[half hatch]

in the sens of what buffs both provide kind of yeah both give breach, though when it comes to team compatibility fdd and vita only overlap in RoO and LoA, while vita can also support WoD and WS which fdd can't fdd is the only breach source for GoI which is rather valuable in such teams

[weak drum]

is this bc no paws

[elfin parrot]

after vbm's ult you actually played out her weapon active tap which doesn't really do much and is slow

So there's two things you can do from that point after ult

• you can do what you already are doing, but swap out immediately to cancel it. This gives you your second weapon use to extend 3pc eternal dream effect as said earlier, and refresh your 3 stack passive team buff above your hp meter
• or you can jump > attack > weapon for serious hammering (weapon finisher). This does two big things
  • triggers stellar drain (can use it only once per valk until you refresh it with outbursst) which restores 20 ARI in this case
  • serious hammering also applies a debuff if you didn't already apply it. In this case the ult applies that debuff too (not the same as the 2pc debuff. The ult applies both)

[elfin parrot]

oh that's what you mean. Yeah in that case if both are relevant supports, coralie team breach exists so vita changes her breach to something else afaik

[lapis raven]

i hv paws

paws is type down and no ele up. hfi is not type down and ele up

[open bone]

Yeah vita breach conversion

[crystal barn]

I really need to read ring mechanics again

[lapis raven]

hfi casts wa and is done. paws needs to do whole qte anim

hfi makes more sense

[rigid cedar]

game capture is generally better, it also creates a separate audio channel for the game, which is definitely good if you want to isolate game audio from your music and other program noises

[weak drum]

what if i dont have hofi

[lapis raven]

hfi can do the double evas on the laser too

[weak drum]

vbm?

[rigid cedar]

just need to mute the desktop audio

[lapis raven]

then use pa its only -1 off my runs so far

[half hatch]

when we want to cover who's betteer in LoA or RoO the general consensus is that in LoA it's fdd > vita since she's faster, her stellar shift isnt as long and her breach is better. Though there may be niche scenarios where we'd use both. In RoO vita and fdd are the only viable RoO dps meaning if one is the DPS the other one supports them ideally

[weak drum]

oh nice

[elfin parrot]

it seemed like they tried game capture and it wasn't working out? but yeah game capture is prob better if it is working

idk because my obs is outdated and i use some roundabout way to isolate game audio

[vernal terrace]

FDD doesn't have breach conversion from what I can see in her skills unless I'm not reading the right one

[half hatch]

she doesnt yeah

[open bone]

Yeah vita does and FDD doesn’t

[elfin parrot]

alright i can't watch the whole video and i do need to go now, but plenty of other people are here to pitch in

[crystal barn]

Does RS dudu can fill LoA team with FDD and drum kiana?

[naive shoal]

oh game capture only works on like specific conditions (or atleast what im getting) im pretty sure one of them is to have the app on full screen but im not on fullscreen so

[elfin parrot]

bumping this

[half hatch]

yes both as a dps and support

since you're asking this do you know how p2 team building works ? if not i can link you a guide

[open bone]

I mean sure? Dudu is an okay loa support but she works and she’s got bis bosses

[elfin parrot]

yeah idk. I know obs can give specific issues for specific windows of games that sometimes i have to play with compatibility options and multilayer adaptability or something like that. Just take the time to play with it a bit and maybe move the talk to #🔌technical-help

[open bone]

Btw how do hofi and blastmetal compare on supporting FDD for tank? Im guessing blastmetal since my hofi gear is only level 45 to save prisms

[naive shoal]

its fine 😭 the recording was honestly just a test to see if it lags or not

[elfin parrot]

and at worst, just crop the display capture and max the cropped output to effectively do the same thing

yeah

[crystal barn]

Sure, also my problem is not having some p2 valks for synergy

[elfin parrot]

getting it working and being able to show us will help alot down the road. alot more details people can help with that way

[half hatch]

i can imagine HoFi being better since you probably will be in ARC most of the time

[elfin parrot]

so it's already a big step forward. I just wanted to fix things early further to make things down the line easier/more convenient to encourage this further

[half hatch]

though try it yourself to be sure

[crystal barn]

This is my P2 valks and Lantern dont have her weap

[elfin parrot]

anyway i'll hop off now. gl everyone and sorry i can't help more

[half hatch]

you can check out the guide at the bottom of the faq

generally the roster doesnt look too bad though

you have quite a bit of coverage for abyss

[open bone]

Ic ty

[crystal barn]

im contemplating if I pull for Sq op too when ||new ely|| arrives

[half hatch]

please spoiler the || ely part|| since that's only CN info

[open bone]

||HLE|| wants chenxue anyway

[half hatch]

though generally pulling sonque now isnt really recommended

AOPs in generall unless you want to retain nirvana

[crystal barn]

Sorry abt that

[rigid cedar]

the reason is likely because obs needs admin privileges to hook into hi3 properly

without it you just get a blackscreen

[elfin parrot]

Alright but tell them too. Maybe in tech help lol

[rigid cedar]

i already did actually

but i guess they didn't follow through that advice

[elfin parrot]

Yeah sometimes there's so much info going on some repetition is inevitable and necessary

[iron basin]

help

[elfin parrot]

You're basically playing tetris here

[iron basin]

ive never played one

before

[elfin parrot]

And want to fit the falling top shape to match the area below so it doesn't overlap the higher ice area

[iron basin]

how do i spin it around?

[elfin parrot]

You can rotate the falling shape with up

[iron basin]

i can?

[elfin parrot]

And left and right to control which column it falls into

It says so right in your screen shot

You're controlling the L shape bush at the top in this case

And to make it fit you will rotate it twice

[iron basin]

oh i think i get it now im so blind.

[rigid cedar]

@naive shoal well meant tip i said earlier

[elfin parrot]

It's honestly very jank and silly how it's implemented. It took me a while to realize what was going on too.

But anyway hopefully it's a breeze from there. Post further if any of it stumps you

[iron basin]

sure

[naive shoal]

yeah it worked but the recording i sent was initially just a test record to see if the result lags or not but i figured the recording was enough for just gameplay so i didnt re-record it

[rigid cedar]

oh oki

[edgy hamlet]

I thought I was looking at doom for a second

[fervent pawn]

how do i get there trough the quicksand

oh i got it finally

[sacred cape]

This one is lantern boss?

If so anyone got a 6S ref

[opal veldt]

Any suggestions on what to refine to get asterites? Realized I've been using the wrong materials

[shell quail]

SS imaginons are great to convert to Asterites

[crude cloak]

ASMs too if you've been buying them for coins from the daily shop

[tawdry estuary]

guys please help, how useful is coralie’s weapon synergy 2 for someone who is semi-competitive in nirvana?

[half hatch]

depends on where you're getting it from, if it's from gacha not really worth unless you're a whale and if you're one there may be other things to prioritise.
if you're getting it from the synergy card in the spending event the it's a nice upgrade considering that

• coralie will be used a lot in GoI and LoA which are the more relevant astral rings though LoA will decline over time in Abyss, on the other side the GoI shill just started so she'll probably be used for a pretty good time in those teams
• it's a 2% dmg increase for every team she's in as a support
• ~4% dmg increase if she's the dps

[tawdry estuary]

i see, its just that i have a few more pulls for the synergy card thing so i dont want it to go to waste, would it be more preferable to do the 2-3 extra pulls on chenxue op, synergy 2 coralie weapon or wait for theresa op?

[vague flame]

is there a place to like

look at the best stigmata/weapon for old p1 teams

or gameplay of it?

[rigid cedar]

the fandom wiki is a good place to look for some of their gears, but it usually doesn't cover everything

[vague flame]

ive looked up a couple stuff on yt but idk if theyre outdated

[rigid cedar]

well yea because p1 is outdated

it's best you ask here really with the specific valks in mind

plenty of old players here who know what was strong

[vague flame]

im running hoo lead hofin and eden (im guessing eden is ok) for img levels

[crude cloak]

Keep in mind that GD leader is better in Abyss (if your GD is SSS)

[vague flame]

She is!

[crude cloak]

And yeah, that's a solid team

[vague flame]

oh what

shes not </3 i misremembered

[rigid cedar]

it's actually one of the best teams for bull

you can thank waxing moon for trio still being alive

also hoo has many builds depending on the boss

[vague flame]

yeah ik that much so im guessing since my eden is not SSS it should be hoo lead, what should i put on them

its not a boss (?) uhh its

bottom red lotus imagunary:singular

[rigid cedar]

yea the imaginary sidestage

we usually run turgenev on eden, not sure if handel is better on longer runs because i dont personally own it

[vague flame]

turgenev TB with mei party?

[rigid cedar]

as for hoo stigs, benared tm + cez b is the best dps choice

[rigid cedar]

yea sure

if you dont have mei party, avo m or tesla band m also works

[vague flame]

nah i have it

[rigid cedar]

hofi just keeps waxing moon and iskandar

[vague flame]

as for hoo i only have raiden mei MB, benares + wang zhenyi T tho

[formal wigeon]

Handel is technically better for mobbing comfort so you don't have to bother with turg's small AOE. But since nobody regens sp for GD here she'll have to do a combo atk before ult so it's slow af

[vague flame]

and for hoo wep its Domain of unity right

[rigid cedar]

yea

[rigid cedar]

definitely go benares t over wang

herrscher buffs way above what wang provides

definitely viable

[vague flame]

i just ran out of asterite wtf 😭

[foggy vapor]

does behold need planar armament? their paired in all of behold's tutorials

[rigid cedar]

look dorm shop

also salvage

[rigid cedar]

she does not need her, 3 RoO valks are also fine

so vbm and either hofi or vita

[foggy vapor]

oop i dont think i have any of those i starteed on badum's debut and pulled her and PS and HoHE with her styellar gear

[rigid cedar]

vbm is a rank coralie

[vague flame]

and whos recommended for B if i dont have cez also i forgot to mention i also have benares M as well so its TM

[rigid cedar]

newton or raiden mei i'd say

[rigid cedar]

okay then go benares tm

b recommendations don't change

[vague flame]

alright thank you for your help 😭 sorry theres like sm stuff and i havent really paid attention to meta

[rigid cedar]

it's fine, you have a lot to work with. meanwhile i not only had to learn this stuff but also farm it way past it's runtime

[rigid cedar]

this is the reason why you want RoO valks btw

vita has a similar effect when leader

[foggy vapor]

gotcha i kinda wanted to pull her which is why i asked

[open bone]

Is PS PAWS TA or PAWS PS (maybe + Rc? Unsure who best third is, I don’t have any other p2 battlesuits free) better for husk mysticism

[rigid cedar]

consider her worth as a support too

she is the second part 2 breach valk after vita

[open bone]

Isn’t sena technically breach

[rigid cedar]

okay 3rd

2nd would apply for physical breach

[pale palm]

the second suggestion is to use both carolies but isn't the buffs I get fro Vita better or it's the same

[open bone]

Don’t listen to Hoyo

Ingame reccomendations are mostly only ever right by accident

[rigid cedar]

the first suggestion is good though

but mostly because it was updated this patch

which doesnt always happen

[pale palm]

so should I be using this then

what about the type disadvantage

[rigid cedar]

its neutral type

assuming you're talking about the boss

[pale palm]

I mean the first wave

[rigid cedar]

oh that

i'd use a bio leader

law of ascension so you can draft coralie into it

[open bone]

That’s just PS, you can just say PS

But Badum is probably better honestly

[pale palm]

I don't have any pt2 bio and the only loa I have is dudu

[rigid cedar]

i'm just stating the reasons

well dudu is still fine

[open bone]

If they have a third heavenly shift

[rigid cedar]

try with her as leader, make sure you ignite the ice cube

[rigid cedar]

vita?

[open bone]

Oh right

No im stupid yeah they can just do Dudu FDD vita

[rigid cedar]

but fdd leader will still kill this stage

[open bone]

Yeah

[rigid cedar]

try what you think is the most fun

[rigid cedar]

okay nice

sparkler definitely is also an option you should include

make it RS/FDD/TFM

vita is underperforming with RS anyway

[pale palm]

not bad,I like this team(RS/FDD/TFM)
i also have teri astralops

[foggy vapor]

what is breach? (sorry there is so much to catch up on it gets confiusing sometimes lol)

[cerulean quarry]

so i got a stupid question. can any other char make use of (new) Coralie's stig set? or is it sorta... purely working around her?

[dusty dagger]

Only for her

[dusty dagger]

!faq breach

[night parcel]

Understanding Breach

Yo, Captain!

[Click here](#💁gameplay-help message) for the explanation of Elemental/Physical Breach!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[cerulean quarry]

dang... makes sense but was sorta hoping other chars could make use of her stuff

[half hatch]

90% of prism stigmata buffs are locked behing being equiped to a certain char and the 3pc that's the drawback for being craftable

it's still a stat stick with small buffs for things like stress test though can probably make it work there

[cerulean quarry]

ahh thats fair

[foggy vapor]

oh so its basically Hi3's version of res pen in hsr

[dusty dagger]

I mean

I guess?

[rigid cedar]

breach is a state applied to the enemy though, rather than ignoring resistance

it reduces resistance

[elfin parrot]

i strongly urge you to move away from making hsr (and any other hoyo game) analogies to this game. Keep in mind HI3 is a much older game.

There are definitely many similarities that the company has stemmed off from, and people who know both games well can make appropriate observations. The problem for unfamiliar players is that there can be more subtle differences that can lead to costlier mistakes.

Regarding RES PEN, keep in mind for HI3:

• pretty much all enemies have some amount of it late in the game.
• going to maximum breach does not provide further benefits. (mainly something consider in elysian realm)
  • by contrast HSR may start you at 0% and can go positive or negative on the spectrum
• there's two major forms of breach effects. Self and teamwide. These two can stack upon each other.
• however if you have multiple kinds of teamwide breach effects, they do not stack with each other. Typically the latest one overwrites although there can be exceptions where an excess one is converted to something else (vita's breach)
• the breach effects are a player side buff, and not a debuff. This distinction is notable if enemies are being cleared and new enemies are coming in.
• physical typing does not depend on res or elemental breach. They instead have their own category called impair or physical breach for enemy def stats.
  • elementals can have specific breaches too like ice only but the physical distinction is more separate
  • impair is actually a debuff status on the enemy, although some newer methods will apply it constantly for its effect duration so new enemies coming in are affected too
• a team breach effect may not apply to the host generating the effect themself (so when using them as a dps, you may want another support with team breach)

Also keep in mind not everyone (especially regular helpers) here is going to be familiar with HSR, despite its popularity and sharing the honkai label. They're still two different games at the end of the day.

[onyx swallow]

hi, does anyone know where i can farm for the charlotte stigma set? im missing one piece and i have no idea where to get it

[rigid cedar]

all 3 pieces are farmable in the Chronicle story "Everlasting Memory"

as well as some 3* weapons that aren't obtainable anymore otherwise

also a good place to get the very basic weapons back that valks come with, should you need those for some shenanigans

even new weapon types from p2 are included

[onyx swallow]

thank you so much! really helpful

[rigid cedar]

anytime

[half hatch]

sorry for the late response,if it's only 2-3 pulls you need for the spending goal i'm not completely opposed to do pulls on the weapon banner preferably waxing moon for the 5 attack(unless it's already sync 3 ofc) since you mentioned that you're semi competitive in nirvana, we can also talk more about astral ops and if you could consider trying to lucksack with those 3 pulls though if you won't pursue any aops in the future building a small amount of pity on those won't be as usefull as having pity for the next valk + their weapon

though if you encounter similar situations in the future and you need to spend quite a bit of crystals to reach your next spending goal keep in mind to rather treat them as a nice benefit instead of goals you need to reach

[vernal bronze]

Bookmarking this

Is there a link for common terminology explained? The only one I can think of is the old keebster video

[elfin parrot]

not really at large? Some guides do explain them when they are relevant but also a dedicated guide to it can have difficult prospects with how bad hoyo has been with changing terms and phrases, making new ones that are similar or overlap with existing ones etc

we have the glossary for the most part

[vernal bronze]

Oh yeah

[vernal bronze]

Can you run the faq for that

I think it’s faq glossary

[elfin parrot]

it's in the pins too

if not here then in beginner help

also if you know the command, you can search for it too in discord

not to say you cannot request me. Just fyi in case i'm not around

[vernal bronze]

Ooh yeah

[vernal bronze]

So what’s the difference between evasion and ultimate evasion then?

[elfin parrot]

regular evasion is just hitting the evasion button. The act of evading with the valk

ult eva is timely evading an enemy attack

• edit: this effect has no cooldown and restores 1 ARI and 2 team sp. some effects such as one of sakura's signets, or some dirac stig (b iirc?) effect specifically seeks this

evasion skill is the skill that goes on cooldown on the evasion icon. While typically it triggers in ways related to evasions, some valks may trigger it in ways completely unrelated to evasions.

[vernal bronze]

So ult evasion can only be triggered by dodging an enemy as soon as it attacks?

As opposed to evasion skill

[elfin parrot]

just as when an attack would connect with you

[vernal bronze]

I’m asking cause I think I had some misconceptions

[elfin parrot]

and i word it this way because as soon as it attacks is incorrect when some enemies have delayed attacks like husk

[vernal bronze]

Yeah hitbox against hurt box

[elfin parrot]

uh i don't think that's the distinction i'm pointing out

edit: by distinction i mean i'm focusing on timing.
HItbox and hurtboxes are more locational and positional.
What you said isn't wrong otherwise. Obviously the enemy's hit detection must connect with where you can be registered to be hurt.

[half hatch]

generally yes, though some valks have special skills that trigger ultimate evasion when you just evade HoFs and HoHe for example

another example would be fws and ps that trigger ultimate evasion on certain attacks with s2

[vernal bronze]

Oh yeah

[elfin parrot]

paws triggers it at s0

off of weapon active

[vernal bronze]

Don’t you tell if ultimate evasion is triggered when the screen goes darker and time slows?

[elfin parrot]

that's just a time fracture effect from an evasion skill effect

if your skill is already on cooldown, further ult evades won't trigger any time fractures until that cooldown is done and the skill is ready to trigger again

not every valk has a time fracture on evade skill either (LE iirc? DP? SR)

you simply tell if you got an ult evasion by the 2 sp gained. There is a slight visual slowdown too (that affects even the abyss timer) but not every case would have this (hotr mech mode won't have this satisfying effect)

and as said before some effects trigger specifically from ult evades so if you have those then you can look out for that

can be a stage effect like the intermission in the melee barrier mob stage where you can get a buff for each ult evade, up to 5 stacks

[elfin parrot]

quick edit here to elaborate more why i disagreed at the time

[formal wigeon]

just a quick correction that dirac B triggers on both ultimate evasion and evasion skill

and does actually also mention both separately

otherwise yeah, ult evade is from actually dodging an attack (doesn't need to be from an enemy either, sleepri and HoO for example have self-attacks they can dodge/parry) and evasion skill is the triggered effect that goes on cooldown (either through that ultimate evasion or other self-triggered means)

[pulsar oak]

heya i wanted to do the abyss but it kinda needs a strong fire team, so i wanna build a decent one. im a returnee i havent played in a good bit. what should i do? i could try exchanging in the war treasury shop (i think thats what is) for characters, i saw miracle girl there

[elfin parrot]

all the farmables in this game aren't really worth highly investing. even at their max investment they pale heavily to recent gacha only options nowadays

weather bonuses in abyss also are only usually roughly 30% increases. This is definitely a large amount you cannot ignore if all your teams are similarly performing, but for early game/developing players, usually the newer gacha valk they are starting with is just so much stronger than anything else that it's better to bruteforce with it until you roll for more things

weathers later on aren't only fire lightning ice phys either. The game has a plethora of ways of emphasizing specific teams and valks. Checks the pins to see what late game abyss schedule is like but overall don't focus only on that

if you're interested in performing better in abyss, see yourself playing the game regularly, **and **don't have anything on your returnee account you're highly attached to, then honestly the recommendation is to start a new account so you can better allocate resetted permanent crystals and beginner event crystals to newer releases

nothing wrong if you still want to stick with your older account and want to work with what you can the best you can

but for now just want to give you an idea of the full picture of things and maybe reconsider some things

[dusky mantle]

Ngl the farmables are just for dorm level buffs atp. And the occasional crystal dorm errand tasks

[elfin parrot]

most of them are

but a few like vbm coralie is still worth investing for decent use

if you haven't yet, i highly recommend checking out the pins in #👶beginner-help btw

anyway let us know how you want to proceed from here and we can continue to help @pulsar oak

[pulsar oak]

ahh i appreciate it guyss!! tysmm

i just briefly looked over the pins in that channel

tbh its a lil much to start from zero rn, i wanna try workin w what i can n slowly get my acc back on track if thats possible anyway

[elfin parrot]

it sure seems that way but meta wise your account is prob effectively at zero right now and might even be slower to get back on track

unless you have any astral ring gacha valks

!faq info

[night parcel]

Providing Account Information/Context

We need more information to answer that, Captain!

Please show (screenshot where needed):

• Your Battlesuits (Valkyrie > Grid Layout) and Equipment (Equip > Weapon/Stigmata).
• Crystal count, supply tickets, current pity, and expected income.
• To what extent do you care about [meta](#👶beginner-help message)? (Consider that your competitive Abyss performance affects your Crystal income. [More info here!](#👶beginner-help message))

If you are struggling on specific content:

• Show us your team, equipment and gameplay.
• Screenshot the exact problem if you think something is going wrong.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

either way show us what else you have for now

a better way to show us your valk is main menu > valk > grid menu at bottom left

[pulsar oak]

agh damn- mmm, if possible can you look at it and if its rlly too far gone then ill start a new one lmao

[elfin parrot]

just post it here and myself and others can look if we're around. Better to have multiple feedback than just one

but also before you really consider restarting

[elfin parrot]

do you have any vintage stuff like asuka valk-ok i see her

so you won't be able to get her back and she can be reasons enough to want to keep the account

you also won't be able to get back event emblems or frames but those are much more minor for most players

anyway if you want to stick with this, we can work with it. Just keep in mind it'll take more time to accumulate more crystals to afford a new valk release with her weapon

!faq rates

[night parcel]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

actually you have some stuff already like thelema and qua theresa

do they have their weapons?

if so you'll prob work with them for now.

Thelema lead can be an ice melee mech dps with wheel of destiny ring type

while theresa leader can be a lightning quantum dps with world star ring type

both can support each other since they have tags that matches each other's ring types
VBm coralie can support both too.

!faq ring

[night parcel]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

more elaboration of new teambuilding system here. Especially the last link which links to a post i put together

if you still struggle understanding it, we can go through the process more slowly with the valks mentioned just now

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if you only care about meta and don't care for asuka valk, then we can go back to considering restarting too

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high meta isn't a requirement in this game either. if you see yourself not interested in keeping up with it or plan to take extended breaks, maybe we can talk about aiming lower or taking a more casual approach to the game

sorry for constantly repeating myself but i do want to make sure you keep your options open and not pressure yourself into any specific one you don't want to do

[pulsar oak]

mm no sadly but i can get thelema's weapon thru returnee valk reinforcements!

[pulsar oak]

thats impressivee, u rlly know ur stuff hahaha thank u for helping me outt

[elfin parrot]

uh i'm not familiar with what that is but if it costs crystals then i'm not going to recommend it

[pulsar oak]

ngl i kinda do but ill get the hang of it w time 😭

[pulsar oak]

noo dont apologizeee, its nice that ur giving me options actually other than just bullying or bashing me lmao
im someone who returns to the game a lot yeah, since i dont rlly know anyone that plays it+its gotten too complicated recently- maybee a casual approach for now till i get the hang of things n the systems then when i rlly get into it i could restart?

[pulsar oak]

it does cost yeahh

[elfin parrot]

the main idea right now as a developing player is to keep all crystals and any rarer resources you don't have much of (honkai shards and AE imaginons, pri arm weapon upgrade materials, ether fuel, etc) for future meta releases you will get

thelema and theresa are a bit more recent but are still relatively older and aren't as useful now. It's arguably not worth trying to bring them back up and slowing yourself on the newer stuff in doing so

so whatever you have already, we can use them the best we can while keeping any further investments cheap

sadly thelema is incredibly dependent on her signature weapon (more than 50% of her personal damage and alot of her utility like time stop and evade farming astral energy is from it)

so we prob shouldn't consider her as a lead for now then

theresa isn't too notable as a dps in non specialized matchups either but we may have to consider her more generally for now

so theresa leader with thelema + vbm coralie supports for now

maaaaybe if the weather is ice or whats wheel of destiny (shadow star) then you can try out thelema (abyss costs nothing to enter)

anyway let's talk about this process some more since you said you don't completely understand yet

give me a second to boot up the game

you understand the old team building before astral ring is by element right?

and how teams typically have one damage dealer and two supports because only one valk is out at a time?

[pulsar oak]

ai ai captainnn

[pulsar oak]

sorry for the trouble- thank youu

[pulsar oak]

mhmm something like thatt

[elfin parrot]

also going back to this, if anyone actually bullies you or acts rudely towards you, please dm the modmail in the server to report them. That behavior is not allowed in accordance to the rules

and regarding the more casual approach, it's really just going to be do whatever you want. Main story and events will give you trial valks to use so you never really need to own anything of your own. you can also try out all newer releases in attack > events tab > tactics class tutorials

so the main appeal of getting stuff in the game is for competitive uses in abyss/arena and also elysian realm, or also for sentimental purposes like putting them on your bridge

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anyway going back to the new team building

we don't focus on elements anymore. The main element damage dealt by the team is mostly determined by the leader now

teams still largely follow a 1 dps 2 support format. The leader is basically always the dps now

a team will gain astral ring mechanics if the leader has a ring type. This gives them features like stellar outburst (big blue button), astral ops instead of ELFs, and effects that only activate from astral ring

all new valkyries added to the game now have a single ring type but also multiple tags. So for this i want you to look in your valkyrie menu

here's an example of a valk with no astral ring stuff https://i.imgur.com/x3xufXK.png

and by contrast here's a valk with astral ring stuff https://i.imgur.com/nvcMqJp.png

you can see the extra second row of icons below the battle suit name

the big blue ring on the left is the ring type

but every smaller icon to the right of it are the tags/attributes (same meaning with different words)

now this next part is very important

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every ring type matches with a specific tag

ring types mainly determines how the team's playstyle will be when that valk is the leader
tags mainly determines how can the valkyrie support a team

you want to use support valks with tags that matches with the leader's ring type

[vernal bronze]

Sorry, I’m trying to figure out exactly how to tell the difference
So time fracture may be triggered on ultimate evasion (UE)
UE is evading right before the enemy hits you, though some Valkyries can trigger it on demand

And to determine if UE is triggered it should be plus two sp, or by reading valk skills

Although if HoHe ult evades on demand she gets more than 2 sp no?

[elfin parrot]

i'll get to this much later. if i don't then ping me again

alright anyway maybe explaining that generally isn't enough yet so let's look at a specific example

so thelema here has a ring type called [wheel of destiny]

[lime grail]

Brain fried

[elfin parrot]

this ring type makes the team adopt a playstyle where the supports don't really swap in much. Most of the gameplay is on the leader themselves

every ring type has a corresponding tag

the tag that matches with wheel of destiny is called [harmonized shadow star]

don't pay attention to the meanings of the names btw. It's all gibberish. Just know what they match with

so if you want to play thelema as a main dps, you want to find supports with this shadow star tag

incidentally, theresa has this tag so she can work

oh i forgot to say this earlier but you can click on each of the icons in my earlier screenshots

and the game should bring up a window of what they are

(i don't really memorize them by the picture of the icon)
you can also use the filter button at the bottom left above the grid one

https://i.imgur.com/qZ7DBpr.png

[wild lily]

Is thelema not worth it to get now

[elfin parrot]

i don't recommend her generally but i know you are focused on hohe so you may make an exception

also note she is coming to paid bp soon iirc. check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for details

keep in mind thele's weapon is critical for her uses

[lime grail]

as everyone's

[elfin parrot]

more so for thele than other's but yes

@pulsar oak anyway how do you feel atm?

does the idea of matching leader ring type to support tags make sense?

[vernal bronze]

Yeah
I’m working on updating my guide

Going better than I thought it would be

Unfortunately I have to revisit some of my knowledge to make sure I’m understanding it right

[lime grail]

What guide

[elfin parrot]

hohe doesn't ult evade on demand. She triggers evade skill on demand by regular evasion OR by QTE

ult evade is always from timely evading incoming enemy moves

time fracture is NOT inherently related to evasions. It just so happens most evasion skills have that effect

[vernal bronze]

Ok ok so no one can anyone trigger ult evade on demand?

[elfin parrot]

well arguably yes

[vernal bronze]

As evidenced by HoHe QTE which triggers time fracture right?

[lime grail]

Idk bros I just know time frac triggers when you pay for most of p2 s2

[vernal bronze]

I don’t like how you added arguably there

[elfin parrot]

delta's pri arm can induce a hit upon yourself with using its weapon active

hoo also causes something to spawn that you can block or evade off of

[lime grail]

FT mentioned in 2025

[vernal bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-anger-mgsv-gif-12596324

Why this game confusing

[elfin parrot]

technically and strictly speaking the idea of ult evade is always related to an incoming attack against yourself and you never bypass this condition

[lime grail]

I think you're over complicating it meme

[elfin parrot]

the common way to have that incoming attack is from an enemy

but there are self induced ways to hit yourself to get that ult evasion

[vernal bronze]

Ok so
Ult evade is mostly this

But some valks can basically spawn or induce things that trigger ult evasion

[elfin parrot]

yes

[elfin parrot]

bolded key words for clarity

[vernal bronze]

Hold on