general-feedback-discussion

[ornate pewter]

I think at this point some stamina improvements may be needed.

I understand why stamina regen is bad. It forces Ptera to heavily manage it, and makes them sitting ducks when while waiting. Meaning they're potentially on the menu in those moments.

But most Ptera players play so conservatively, and only rest in high safety, that they're not interacting much with the rest of the player base, and the length of rest adds to it.

If Stamina returned twice as fast, it's likely Ptera players would grow more bold, and get killed more often.

They grow fast, so that's ok. It's fun.

[steady orchid]

tbh ptera should have the take off it used to have

and this one as a variant of taking off while jumping

• faster stam regen while resting + being able to regen while sliding in the air

[full pewter]

Just give them a dive mechanic, so they have to swim after fish instead of skim for them, now they’re being put directly in range of semiaquatics
It’s so easy

[full pewter]

Tbh I want it to have the old takeoff just to have a more scientifically accurate pterosaur takeoff

[ornate pewter]

Diving and Swimming like a true shore bird would be sweet.

Let Ptera spot fish under water from above with keen "bird eyes".

It's actually a little silly that schooling fish jump around it's a basketball game, they should mostly be underwater.

[full pewter]

That should never have been a thing tbh, we used to have splash rings that appeared on the surface where fish were swimming. And the best part, Deinos could imitate these splash rings when smelling underwater. You could literally bait them in

[steady orchid]

would be cool to lure some bary to fish schooling fishes but its a deino

@shut grotto we still have rainbows

[full pewter]

Yes, it would almost certainly work for Austro and Bary too

[shut grotto]

i havent seen any

do u have any ss from this patch?

[steady orchid]

saw them on trike hordetest, i guess they are still here, but still they are rarer than before

screenshot from hordetest

[shut grotto]

wow lol
that looks...not good

so not subtle

[dry falcon]

@shut grotto
#general-feedback message
I think because the devs updated the engine version a bunch, the configs for weather and whatnot got resest and thats why some things like rainbows got removed. Either that or somehow rainbows are really bad in performance and it was toggled off

[dry falcon]

Ah, so basically something caused them to be less frequent

[stiff temple]

do they ever read these feedbacks?

[pliant elm]

Probably not

[urban flax]

They do but every month people forget they ever did

Just like everything else with this game

[wheat nova]

thats horrendous as to i have never seen any

[faint folio]

Pretty sure they read them (I've seen them respond to feedback or make changes in response to feedback before) but I don't think they read literally every post. The isle gets literally hundreds of suggestions each day. It would be someone's entire workday if they read all suggestions

My guess is they either filter suggestions based on what they're currently working on (several other games I play do different iterations of this) or they check suggestions once a day and read what they can in a realistic amount of time

[river plinth]

Has anyone noticed that since the trike was added it seems like they updated the movement where changing directions while moving with WASD causes a noticeable halt in your movement while changing directions, it’s not smooth like it was before

[wooden path]

I just got onetapped by a Carno as a full health adult Cera.

Just leaving it there.
I don't think I'm gonna play anymore until they upgrade the anticheat measures.

[lethal coral]

Me too. I was on Server EU 2 - West. A Carno onetapped my 60% Croc at south plains. Just a few moments ago

[wooden path]

Same server. If only there was a feature to report cheaters or at least see the names of those who killed you...

[edgy flax]

theres the replay

[wooden path]

The replay hasn't worked properly for me in months

[lethal coral]

i did all the way with my croc to south plains and finally reached it. thats so stupid

[wooden path]

Also it is not reasonable to ask everyone to run the replay for hours on hours everytime they play

[edgy flax]

if u want to see the names then run the replay

easy like that

[lethal coral]

how can i run the replay? im new to this

[wooden path]

And what do those who do not have the powerhouse of a system to record replays do?
It is not a reasonable request

[lethal coral]

im dead and now in the dino select modus. can i still watch the replay?

[wooden path]

No. You have to activate it from the settings beforehand

[lethal coral]

ah okay i will look for it. was the first time something like this happened to me

[wooden path]

First time I see a onetap kill like that but we had people hitting you from 20 meters away and speedhackers for years. This game needs a decent anticheat and a report feature so bad.

[lethal coral]

true. and beside of that a few more fishes in the water. its horrible after the update. 2 hours and 1 big fish

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message that’s pushing it

[junior nymph]

150 imo is the sweet spot

[willow kiln]

@coarse anchor that doesnt have anything to do with carno specifically. Hitboxes and client side stuff in general have been pretty bad lately. Raptors pin is a perfect example

hopefully they fix it soon

[willow kiln]

yes

[woeful zealot]

ddoes anybody know where and how to report a hacker?

[dim bane]

@loud sierra so you think Troodon is ok in it's current rendition or?

[loud sierra]

Trodon is in the best state of any carnivore atm, so yes

[dim bane]

howso when I'm starving at a fresh spawn almost every time?

[loud sierra]

you're just bad.

[dim bane]

that's your argument?

[loud sierra]

yes.

[dim bane]

I see that literally 90% of your replies and discussion in this entire discord has been nothing but the same criticism and patronizing. People like you suck, all of your replies are literally just you talking down to people like you're some end all Isle master. 🤡

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message @raw hedge

[dim bane]

oh look i starved to death at north lake as a solo troon cuz im bad and unable to somehow weave the ai to hit a tree or something so i can catch up to it and kill it in 8 attacks

you're out of your mind if you think this is the best state of carnivores

[junior nymph]

im not in the mood to argue about ai rn thats why i pinged calc

[dim bane]

no one was talking to you to begin with

[junior nymph]

Ik

its a public chat

[dim bane]

f off then

[junior nymph]

ooo somebodies mad

I see

[dim bane]

wow this whole community has always been super cringe

like literally since legacy

[junior nymph]

hey you got mad at me I never did anything

so like yeah just learn to not have a short fuse

you really dm'ed me about that peak

@formal kestrel they do just gotta press lmb unless they removed it

[pliant elm]

#general-feedback message Troodon really suffers a lot from the lack of AI, but he really needs a speed increase when juv to at least 25km initially

[warped garden]

i love breaking bones after small hill slide

[clear yacht]

👍

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

no one i have ever met thinks starving to death, being fractured, getting one-tapped or getting knocked down is fun but sometimes survival games have features or mechanics that aren't that inherently fun

doesn't mean we should have to change everything to be more fun because then where's the challenge

[raw hedge]

So the ai thing is rough, crabs not working on official etc
But you can find deer, chickens taco, pretty easy.
The south plains sanctuary area has loads of ai, (high risk tho)
SP beach has deer, chickens taco tacos etc, old mud flats/new salt flat(?) and the area behind it as well.
Forks pond, east plains, and loads of areas that are a bit less traveled.
On the speed thing too, because I know it’s another complaint, I just burn 2-3 bars of stamina before I move anywhere or hunt.

[tired quest]

got steamrolled by a hitbox cheat dilo couple days ago too
keep getting hit as a fg tenno

[stone hatch]

It doesn’t create any challenge or balance whatsoever it has no benefit at all

All it has done is take away that beautiful feeling of freedom that pt used to give

And made it a less active participant in combat across the board

If anyone still wants to follow you in a mixpack they easily can do so. The only exception is if someone runs up into highlands from a different part of the map. Then its POSSIBLE they lose you

Like the entire time i play pt i only think about stamina management and i feel like a slave to it. This animal is the weight of a human being bro it should be able to not worry about stamina 24/7.

The only reason people played small tiers in any dino game is 1. Cuteness 2. Getting to feel like the victim 3. The feeling of freedom of movement and time.

If the devs literally doubled the stam regen or stam pool of every dino herrera size and smaller it would make them all more fun and produce 0 serious balance issues

Nobody is ever gonna play small tiers in decent numbers with this stamina system. A server is never gonna have more than 5-10% animals below omni size realistically

Unless you account for vc groups forming a large pack

It doesn’t create any added difficulty or risk. It literally just makes me take less risks. I just spend less time flying. Thats all it does. I just think about my trajectory and next resting spot and i dont do any substantial vertical movement and im good. Yes i pay attention more to my flight but is my flight ever more risky or dangerous? Absolutely not. Just more boring and neutered

Yes i can fly around the entire map in 1 stamina bar if done well but nobody cares. Id rather be able to fly down to the river, catch a fish, eat it and not have to wait 2 minutes to safely play the game again

[limber hull]

i dont think they should do that at all, that sounds like it'd end horribly lol

[full pewter]

@olive cargo The last thing Herra needs is a run speed buff, heck I’d argue it should get a speed nerf. It’s already faster than most of the roster, and it also can climb trees and stay out of range of everything else. It’s extremely easy to survive as Herra if you’re even remotely competent. It needs to be vulnerable on the ground, which is why it’s dmg output is so low outside of its drop pounce

[limber hull]

also he said cera is faster than herrera which is provably untrue lol

[ornate pewter]

Stamina penalty after resting sounds like an ok idea if the goal is to prevent rest from being used in marathon combat with large prey.

That said universally applying this rule would hurt certain playables.

For example, Pteranodon, who is resting all the time, does not need additional penalties applied to him. Their only recourse being a single chance to stand and fly before they reach you.

[desert arch]

Stamina penalty would only activate if you use the quick get up (standing by pressing WASD), it wouldnt come into effect at all unless youre in a stressful situation.

Just press H to get up again

[ornate pewter]

Reasonable, but I will illustrate my point with a story.

My brother as I were youngish Pteranodons, we had traveled looking for fish along a river. We found some under a bridge.

Both low on stamina, we decided to rest on the middle of the bridge after our meal, watching the length of the two sides.

Sure enough, part way through a young omni appeared and ran down the bridge at top speed.

We both used the "quick get up" and attempted to fly using what stamina we had so far obtained. My brother was caught mid air as the Omni dragged him down, while I made it out.

This was a tense scene, and even with the quick get up, my brother perished.

This type of moment is core to Pteranodon interactions with predators, particularly because they spend so much time in rest.

Slowing the speed at which Pteranodons can reasonably leave rest directly effects these encounters.

[desert arch]

You can latch to the side of surfaces as a ptera to regain stamina at basically the same rate as sitting if youre above 20% stam, so putting your lives at such risk wasnt necessary at all

[ornate pewter]

Yes, though we were young and still needed to land to devour our fish, we did not at that moment have the stamina to fly to a new higher position and rest, and were firmly below 20%.

Moreover, we were both new to the game at that point. did not know about the latching, and did not identify the bark of the omni shortly before he appeared.

It was a good scene though.

But these moments do happen for Ptera, not as often for players that are experienced, the class is very much about playing it as safe as possible, but they do occur.

[desert arch]

Thats fair, and I completely get your point, but as yourself said, both of you were new, and as hars at it sounds one of you dying was due to a skill issue, since the situation itself couldve been avoided completely.

Also btw you can swallow food even while latched, and taking off from a latched position costs no stamina. Glad to see some fresh blood in the community again. 🙂

[limber hull]

okay but that would still happen with a stamina penalty

if anything it'd be more tense because you have to quickly decide between having more stamina or getting up faster

that situation literally would only be heightened if there was a penalty for fast and urgent decision making with consequences

[ornate pewter]

I agree, however, at the moment Pteranodons stamina regen is so incredibly poor that making such a decision would probably be a death sentence.

We had likely obtained 20% stamina by the time the Omni appeared

If they gave Pteranodon even 25% faster stamina regeneration, a choice like this would be interesting, but as it currently stands, it just hurts a class that is already very enslaved to the stamina mechanic

[barren crater]

I think the penalty is necessary but it should be like 10-15% stamina

Used to be 20%?

[limber hull]

this is mostly unrelated lol

[safe canyon]

#general-feedback message
As long as there is a setting to turn it off it'd be cool

[limber hull]

i mean

it kinda undermines the point if you can just turn it off

[safe canyon]

I feel like some people might not like the effects

Sort of an accessibility thing? I'm not sure how they are actually lol

[shy fox]

LMAO

[grand ruin]

People don’t like this why? It’s a perfectly reasonable mechanic

[limber hull]

it would be on a pack predator

deino is not a pack predator

[barren crater]

Deino is intended to leave larger creatures like rex and trike alone. You're mechanically limited to 4t animals and smaller

[grand ruin]

Deino duos should be able to drown or terrify anything crossing water too deep to wade through

[grand ruin]

The entire point of his mechanic is to lift the limit and allow you to contend with land apexes while completely submerged in water

[urban flax]

Deino is not a pack predator

Nor should it really be able to kill an apex with a single attack either, even if there's two of them...

[grand ruin]

Just make it so a single full grown deino latches on and drains stamina and slows swimming speed then

If the body of water is too big the Rex drowns

If not the Rex just goes about its day

Have deinos stam drain alongside the Rex but at a slower rate

And a mechanic where the deino can thrash to bleed and damage whatever’s it’s latched onto for more stam cost

[urban flax]

There's really no need for that

Deino : you have an ability that allows you to oneshot 90% of the roster with no possible counterplay

Deino players : OK but what about the remaining 10% ?

[limber hull]

and even then the elite 10% still have to GROW, meaning like 75% of their life is still within the "deino death" range

[grand ruin]

I think deino needs a rework so it’s not one shot

[limber hull]

h-

how

isnt that the entire point of a gator

it is functionally built to kill its prey on initial engagement

[grand ruin]

Stun and drag mechanic

[grand ruin]

This ain’t real life bruh I want balance between interaction

[limber hull]

it isnt real life but it also has to be believable and a gator really only does one thing

and deino is quite literally bigger gator

[grand ruin]

Stunning and dragging is in line with a gator narrative

[limber hull]

wdym by stunning and dragging tho and how is that different

[grand ruin]

And gives prey opportunity to counter play and forcing deinos to actually play the game

[urban flax]

Oneshotting by itself is fine
What it needs is counterplay

[grand ruin]

So for prey that’s like between 40-75% of the drinks weight the deino stuns and pulls them into the water, the prey has the opportunity to either swim out or do its big enough to touch the ground still it can fight back. The idea for the deino is to stun and drag it into deep water where it can’t attack back where it will then bite. The stun and drag will cost a fair bit of stam so you can’t just spam it to get them in the center of a lake since you won’t be able to finish the job and the prey will just swim off. Gotta balance it out. Drag them into the water, bite a fun times and then drag them back in if they’re about to hit shore

[limber hull]

so like

doesnt that just make deino largely stronger while still retaining its oneshot

[grand ruin]

Sorry I should correct, in the water it would be upwards of 75% when pulling from the shore it would only go up to 50%

[limber hull]

everything else just gets picked up as it does right now, the only thing that doesn't is like maia

[grand ruin]

So basically identical to the target requirements currently, it’s just not a one shot

[urban flax]

Draggong into water then releasing the prey and biting them to death is antithetical to what a gator is supposed to do

[limber hull]

also you removed the drowning from a gator??

[urban flax]

Also "the counterplay" in this case is literally just Sisyphus' torment lol

[grand ruin]

I would rather this than just one tap

[limber hull]

i wouldnt that sounds agonising

for both parties involved

[urban flax]

It's less fun for both players

[grand ruin]

And the fact that deinos can one tap is obviously a headache enough to where the devs are boning is with map design

[limber hull]

deino has to micromanage a single kill and the prey spends so much longer suffering at the hands of deino

i would rather this map design to that deino

[grand ruin]

Vs deino gameplay literally being braindead and prey having absolutely zero chance of escape

[urban flax]

The onetap isn't the issue
The absence of counterplay is

[grand ruin]

In this case bigger Dino’s can capitalize on a deino mistake and either kill the gator or just escape

[grand ruin]

What counter play is there for one tap mechanic apart from simply not being there

[urban flax]

Well it this has zero chance of escape cuz nothing outswims deino
And the only thing that can fight back... Is rex
Unless the deino attacks from below

[urban flax]

Look at how herrera works

[limber hull]

imma be real man if you wanted to go after one-taps, there's a TON of other animals you could talk about besides deino lol

[grand ruin]

Don’t say “struggle so deino drains more stam” that just turns deino gameplay even more boring since nobody is going to sprint and it’ll just be constant stam management in case you see something come for water

[urban flax]

I'm not gonna say it, there are better solutions

But deino players hate them

[grand ruin]

I mean say it bruh

I hate deino gameplay currently, it’s brainless and boring and it’s obvious devs have no idea how to make it fun for all parties involved

For land Dinos you’re either forced to drink from bugged or safe watering holes and taking long routes around bodies of water unless you fancy a few hours of gameplay going to waste because of one persons ability to right click

And for the deinos you’re forced to sit in the water and just pray something comes your way while growing bitter at the map since it’s designed to offer perfect counters to your ambush positions

[urban flax]

That's why counterplay is needed

[grand ruin]

I just don’t see why introducing a skill check for deinos is bad

[urban flax]

So that land dinos aren't forced to know all the safespots in the map by heart and can actually get away with taking risks

[grand ruin]

I’m genuinely open to workshop and hear ideas

I don’t like the current state and I don’t think the devs are going to change anything unless someone says something that gains traction

[stone hatch]

Yeah bro thats not changing anytime soon

Every dino with a pin is going to be a walking, running land deino

And there is nothing we will be able to do about it

[urban flax]

Charged lunge

[stone hatch]

Besides run and hope you’re faster

Counterplay is not coming back to the isle

[urban flax]

Pin is bad, but definitely not as bad as how deino works rn

[stone hatch]

I remember in spiro a teno or a carno would either live or die depending on if the teno hit the absolutely beautiful well times skill shot that is slamming a charge

[grand ruin]

How would that add counter play, just means deinos gonna sit in the water a little longer before pouncing

[stone hatch]

Stuff like that is gone forever

[urban flax]

If charging has a subtle tell, visual or audio, it means attentive players can avoid it before it lunges, especially if the deino isn't smart with its positioning

In turn a fully charged lunge can go much further and grab bigger prey

[grand ruin]

Eventually the community would just learn what to watch out for and we’d be in a worse hole now since players will consistently get away

[stone hatch]

The deino player cant control that

That just means it gets punished for using its only option for hunting prey

[urban flax]

And as a bonus, the extra distance not used after grabbing your prey is used to walk backwards into the water

[stone hatch]

Its pretty easy to tell where deinos are. Just think what areas are accessible from their spawns or not, and smell for any dead bodies near water and wait a while to observe it coming up for air or scavenging

[urban flax]

Nobody is attentive 100% of the time
Also deino won't be forever the only threat around water sources

[stone hatch]

Or just run to the various safe spots to drink

Deino is the least of your worries when we are about to have large predators that outrun half the cast and one shot pin them with no risk

This game’s pvp will die the moment a server has any group of those

[grand ruin]

They only have to be attentive when they go to drink water, and they’re still only gonna drink at shallow spots where no matter what the deinos is gonna have to full charge to even have a chance at hitting them fast enough. The second point is fair enough but idk if that’s happening within our lifetime

[urban flax]

With there being a possibility to survive a deino attack, even if very low, I can guarantee players will become much more cocky and forget all about safespots

[urban flax]

Herreras ambush people just fine and they're both visible and make noise when moving around
People even get ambushed by stegos
Deino will be fine

[grand ruin]

I mean herreras are literally at any moment while you run through forested areas, deinos would only be a risk at a select moment where the player can literally do nothing but stare at the water

[urban flax]

Yet you're never forced to go to jungles but everyone is forced to go to water at some point

[grand ruin]

Where herreras are a risk for maybe like at least half of your gameplay hours, deinos are a risk for much less. And while herreras are a risk you’re often doing other things and making loud noises yourself. While deinos are a risk when you have nothing to do but stare at the water

[grand ruin]

Isn’t like half the map a jungle and going through or near jungles is required if you want to move from zone to zone

[urban flax]

People could just avoid every forest to stay safe from herreras, like they do with deino, jut they don't
Because they believe they're smart enough to get out alive
And that's how herreras get their food

[grand ruin]

I guess the only way to see is if they’d implement it

Try it out for like a week and see if deinos end up having a more positive engagement experience with the community or a worse one

Gonna be a lot of tuning tho to get the deino lunge indicator be noticeable enough to give drinking Dino’s a chance but also discrete enough to require attentiveness

[urban flax]

They can't possibly have a worse experience when it comes to engagement with other players

[grand ruin]

The only thing worse than almost never seeing other players, is seeing players at a moderate rate but always watching them run as soon as you initiate a lunge

Basically repeated failure when you’re so close to success is a lot more bitter than never even getting close to success in the first place

[urban flax]

At least it's less boring

[grand ruin]

It’d be significantly more infuriating tho lol idk which ones worse

[urban flax]

@gloomy reef Have you considered that maybe, the reason why skins are perfectly split in the middle is because they use flipped UVs to save up on texture size ?

[gloomy reef]

they dont need to save uv space on a game like this maybe on roblox u do that lmao 😭

i just dont see why they would mirror it 🤷‍♂️ then again i 3d model i dont sculpt

[urban flax]

You're the first person I see who asks to de-optimize the game

[urban flax]

Making the textures not mirrored would mean doubling the size of every dino's textures (or halving their resolution)
And in case you didn't know, textures are the heaviest thing in a game, both download size-wise and performance-wise

[icy lion]

i love when games chew up my vram

[gloomy reef]

vegetation is pretty heavy on games not mirroring the textures is just used to get more texture res but it wouldnt impact performance in the big end

[urban flax]

Double
Literally double the performance hit on every dino on screen

[gloomy reef]

it aint the uvs i just noticed

wait nvm im just slow, they have baked the highpoly mirrored but they 100% mirrored uvs too

i thought i was onto something

[gloomy reef]

unless its over 1k res it wouldnt effect performance, Plus mirroring isnt really needed if they unwrap it correctly and just made the main bits of the dino have more UV space then say the belly of the dino it would be fine

the whole dino doesnt need alot of uv space tbh unless its the top or side of the dino

[urban flax]

It always affects performance, and it definitely is over 1k
Mirrored is mirrored, there is no more correct way of unwrapping UVs
Unless you want them to, like, add an extra strip in the middle to break up the symmetry axis
But that's a headache I don't think many people would want to go through

The size of UV spaces does not matter at all
If there's a symmetry axis, unless the texture is fully plain, you will see it

[gloomy reef]

ur most likley right on this ^^ I wouldnt know how the uvs work on a sculpted asset im used to a multiple textureset model other then a single texture set

[urban flax]

Oh I absolutely hope they're not using UDIMs on their models

[gloomy reef]

I hope there not lmao

ill be honest these are simple things to uv unwrap idk how the situation is like in the optimization end of things but they should be able to unwrap it normally and pack it normally

[urban flax]

It's not that complicated
Using mirrored textures saves up on texture size, which saves up on file size, which improves performance (and download times)

I guess it also makes all the texturing process... Well, twice as fast

At the cost of having the symmetry axis noticeable at the seams

[faint folio]

NGL I think they did an awesome job of blending the seam. Sometimes in games animals get an ugly "dorsal stripe" where it's clearly not supposed to be there because of the seam

The only way you can really tell they did that is because the pattern is mirrored on both sides... But honestly that's a pretty safe bet because most animals are mostly symmetrically colored anyways

[potent flower]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1394811157927301232 @neon moat more than just northeast pond tbh! south swamp is another

[stone hatch]

Please decerease growth time slightly for omni. Its 20 minutes less than dilo whilst dilo is significantly larger than it. Its just not worth your investment as a player compared to the other option. As more large dinos get added to the game across the board smaller dinosaurs growth times will feel less and less worth it

[pliant elm]

Post this here #general-feedback or here #balance-feedback

[olive cargo]

i just posted in general feedback but whats the thoughts on AI dino both carni and herbi of different stages of growth

[limber hull]

hope it never happens, and if it does, that it's an unoffical only server option

[olive cargo]

but why not, the food sources are severely limited and 75% of the map is empty anyways

[limber hull]

because last time they added AI herbis, it just killed off the entire tenonto population and completely overpopulated the map with large carnivore megapacks

in general, AI dinos just kill immersion, ruin socialisation, foster megapacks and dissuade player interaction

[olive cargo]

if they were to just dump a bunch of each species into the server then yeah but if they limit to a handful of total AI is some dinos itd help immersion i feel like. right now theres like 4 spots on the entire map you can encounter othe players and actually fight. the other 75% is baron and empty with the occasional boar deer or chicken. the game would feel so much better running into smaller AI dinos like dryo in a jungle or galli in the plains as opposed to having to go to WA,SP, or north lake to find anything

[limber hull]

id rather they make dryo have burrowing than make it not worth playing because you can't even find the rare other player dryo because all broadcasts are actually just AI

[latent olive]

if they had designated dino AI spawn areas then guess who hangs around those designated dino AI spawns

[limber hull]

lmao that too

dedicated AI spawns quite literally makes the map even more barren

just a bunch of people fighting over the AI spawner

[latent olive]

maybe if it was one AI dinosaur with a spawn system that dynamically changes after every spawn, and that AI dinosaur just ran like hell instead of fighting, then i can see that being fine

lootbug time

[olive cargo]

It’s a dinosaur survival game. There should be more Dinos across this entire big azz map. Randomize the spawns you don’t have to resort to making set locations causing more camping spots and hot zones.

[limber hull]

so add more player slots lol

[olive cargo]

It’s pretty lame the only AI is deer boar goat chicken. Compys appear once in a blue moon and they’re in burrows there’s tons of smaller Dinos they could use instead if yall are afraid of big AI

[limber hull]

id just rather they not turn playables into AI lol

[olive cargo]

So use Dino’s not in the game or planned on being playables????

[limber hull]

yea that

i mean i personally like the idea of nothing besides like, compy and ptero being AI and dinos

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

why does it have to be below 25% if it just slows food drain

[barren crater]

^

[spring crow]

old stam drain was just straight up normal consistent but now you HAVE to rest under a certain spot or HAVE to slow walk to get stam back and its literally slower stam gain in general!!!

[limber hull]

im talking about grass

[spring crow]

ohhh

[limber hull]

lmao

[spring crow]

im stupid mb

grazing is not an issue lmao

[limber hull]

To many it is

[spring crow]

the migration system is root cause of this issue

[limber hull]

is it???

[spring crow]

????????????????

[limber hull]

because i dont see what the issue is here

[spring crow]

WHAT

[limber hull]

like whats wrong with the migrations

honestly between grazing and patrols, migrations are like, the least problematic thing

[spring crow]

im going to send you a video that u need to watch to understand its a bit long but very worth the watch

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message I love this it makes the game more punishing which is what it is in need of

[junior nymph]

send it to me I have nothing to do

is it the ones where dibbles migrate and it switches?

oh that video.... THAT ONE SUCKS

the isle is the worst game in early access guys

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

I’ll be real, this is only gonna lead to KOS lists, false reports and overall toxicity in and out of the game

I’d agree if not for the fact that the community we have all already do these things

[tall vine]

@queen ember why did people downvote ur grazing rework idea?

[queen ember]

[junior nymph]

no but salty

that means people cant live off grazing and will have to fight over food

what about my mega pack of 20 trikes

[tall vine]

i think u are being ironic, @junior nymph , but his idea seemed on point

[junior nymph]

im friends with salty I was agreeing with the suggestion cause ive seen 20+ trikes

grazing needs a rework or removal or nerf

you just shouldnt be able to live off it

[tall vine]

true

[woven bane]

why can’t i completely negate a core element in survival

[junior nymph]

facts

[tall vine]

man people upvote the hell out of skin colors, and tho i agree, there are things way more important core to the game that need reworks

[limber hull]

Meh. Both entirely seperate, no harm in suggesting either

I’m not a fan of this idea of suggestion priority

[tall vine]

i agree, the thing is, the downvotes

[limber hull]

for that suggestion, i get it

im not too much a fan either. all the restrictiveness of grazing now, with far less of the upsides

[tall vine]

i could downvote the skins, so other ideas "seem" more important rn by the ratio upvotes/downvotes

but i don't do it, and they come and downvote something that needs a rework since a long time

democracy...

[limber hull]

eh, that seems petty, especially when the guy doing the skins has nothing to do with something like a grazing rework

[tall vine]

true, but what they do, is more

[barren crater]

What upsides do you even need though. If it reduces hunger drain, that should be sufficient?

[limber hull]

how? they simply dont agree with it

[spring crow]

anybody else feel like the color selection thing should be a wheel instead of a preset color thing find myself limited by it all the time

[tall vine]

true

[limber hull]

BoB did that

all the dinosaurs look like a preschooler threw up crayons on their plastic dino toys

a colour wheel would obliterate any sense of immersion or natural feel to the game tbh

[spring crow]

you can do that stuff can be light blue and pink

you just disagree to everything lmao

[limber hull]

i disagree with ugly visuals lol

[spring crow]

gonna respond to my earlier thing?

[limber hull]

hmm?

[spring crow]

or are you just dodging

cus it seems like ur js playing devils advocate

[limber hull]

thats exactly my point, light blue and pink would look awful on dinos

thats literally what BoB (and some unofficial Isle servers) do, and it looks awful

[spring crow]

it’s already there so what’s the point of adding it?

[junior nymph]

worst idea.

[spring crow]

unofficial is full of grifters what do u expect

dude who cares i’m ngl how does it ruin immersion in ur dino sim game

[junior nymph]

unofficials have modded it to make that its not official

[spring crow]

when there’s text chat and other stuff

[spring crow]

ok? cool

like ur just stating the obvious

[junior nymph]

exactly and its a massive thing that puts away many players

[limber hull]

play with the grifter servers if you want your colour wheel i guess? because the game is meant to have a level of immersion, thats part of its core ideology

[junior nymph]

cbb I feel you would like beasts of bermuda alot more than the isle

[limber hull]

but this looks bad. it works in BoB, because BoB markets itself as a goofier, less realistic game (the turtles can literally launch themselves 100 meters into the air for the sake of it)

the isle isnt this vibe

its gritty horror realism

[spring crow]

??? there’s multiple 300 player and 100 player servers on unofficial it’s more populated on official due to people not bothering with unofficial because most are new

what in the hell am i looking at bro

[spring crow]

these ppl putting their furry ocs in there

[limber hull]

thats a colour wheel

[junior nymph]

so what if theres 300 players thats not what I was talking about I was talking about how the dumb skin systems these servers implement ruins some parts of the game and me and many others will agree

[limber hull]

thats what happens when you give dinos a colour wheel

[spring crow]

seriously?

[limber hull]

people immediately make their super awesome dino OCs in rainbow vomit lol

[spring crow]

i had more hope in humanity

[limber hull]

heres another image of a colour wheel and its results

[junior nymph]

you can see it in servers like zooming islander too

[limber hull]

explain to me what anything is in this picture and win a prize

because that is what the game actually looks like when people have unrestricted access to a colour wheel

[junior nymph]

my brain hurts

[spring crow]

i was unaware of this

[limber hull]

yea people love to look like clown vomit for some reason

[spring crow]

had more hope that this community wouldn’t be brain slop

[junior nymph]

do you have any ss's of people on zooming

and their skins

[spring crow]

also this servers text filter is like austrian painter levels

[junior nymph]

💀

[spring crow]

istg tho

[limber hull]

i could find them but they're gonna be harder

[spring crow]

it’s genuinely insane i type anything slightly offensive and it thinks im blowing up discord hq

[limber hull]

here's a rex skin from one of these servers LMAO

[junior nymph]

peak

[limber hull]

neon sign animal

[junior nymph]

it looks like a clown

like actual circus clown dude

[spring crow]

looks like they tried to make a shark skin on a dino then forgot they were playing caron

carno

[junior nymph]

thats rex

[spring crow]

can’t say f off

[limber hull]

dont worry, it can always get worse

[spring crow]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[limber hull]

and this is why i dont like colour wheels

because people make whatever that is

[junior nymph]

• you can already make horrendous skins iicr thats why dondi has been pulling back all the colours

[spring crow]

ye but he should be adding some more variety to

[junior nymph]

eh

[spring crow]

it’s like a 40 min job to make them still realistic but have some variation

[junior nymph]

when you can make the worst looking skins known to man I get why they cut back

id just make presets that people can pick and give like 10 patterns

[spring crow]

yeah but that’s the point of customization to see the wailing bimbo try to make his rainbow slop while others make cool skins

[junior nymph]

thats a hot take but still

[spring crow]

10?

[junior nymph]

I mean yeah if they give us like 5 different skins we can pick between

and then when you nest you can mix them

[spring crow]

i’d say give people a base line of colors but let them choose the shades of those colors obviously making sure it’s not to bright

[junior nymph]

nah

[spring crow]

red black yellow green navy cream

[junior nymph]

just show the patterns and skins in the trailer for each animal and boom

[spring crow]

and then add shades of those colors like darker and or a little bit brighter

[junior nymph]

when you nest as I said they would mix so you could get some rare looking skins if you get like 5 generations down

[spring crow]

LOLLLLLL that may happen in a 20 dino mega pack

not even

[junior nymph]

why 20?

[spring crow]

idk man that will never happen 5 generations

[junior nymph]

you can just nest you dont need 20 people at the same time

[spring crow]

bro shut up you know what i mean

[junior nymph]

as I said it would be rare

like you know you nest then your kids nest then their kids nest and so on

and with that they can give more detail to each skin since it will be a skin the devs made

[spring crow]

brother that’s so unlikely to happen your lucky if you get 2 generations

[junior nymph]

then thats fine

Its a hypothetical

[spring crow]

bro hates fun and customization

[junior nymph]

no I hate dumb looking skins

[spring crow]

hate to be a bad news bear but your opinions on what skin looks good or not dosent really matter it should be freely spread out

[junior nymph]

what

[limber citrus]

That sounds pretty cool, like skin mutations? Or just rare colors?

Like melanism and albinism etc

[pliant elm]

@maiden anvil Teno claw attack is already extremely strong and very spammable, it doesn't need any adjustments.

[limber citrus]

@sullen pawn What feature did you have in mind to keep players from fighting like it's a deathmatch? #general-feedback message

#general-feedback message Imo if they were to add those glowing eyes/male displays they should remove or reduce the fog aswell, since it's already hard enough for bigger playables to see in the fog. But the concept is very cool and can bring some fear factor to the game for new players

[icy lion]

@wind mesa Only herreras see the glow, they're not actually bioluminescent

[maiden anvil]

Well it was worth a try… thought it would’ve encouraged more people to use it

[paper galleon]

does anyone know what happens with the nvidia app with the Isle? It seems that it isn't compatible

[junior nymph]

it uses the legacy version

[paper galleon]

it has been working perfectly for me recently, what does legacy have to do with it now?

[junior nymph]

I dunno if its been working than its prob not legacy lol maybe the new update or something

[cold garden]

Oh my God why is there a 6-hour cool down for general feedback

[limber citrus]

#general-feedback message I can imagine something like this will get added when Camarasaurus comes to the game

[cold garden]

Anyway someone should suggest that the cool down for herbivore diets needs to be removed, the fact that it's significantly easier to keep your carnivores diets up than a herbivore is crazy, you can be staring at a diet food that you know is a diet food but it won't give you diet unless a patrol zone spawns on top of it and sometimes that means you're sitting there staring at the plant for 10 minutes waiting 🤣

[cold garden]

If they want to keep adding large herbivores it needs to not wait that long! Imagine feeding an animal bigger than an elephant on nothing but oranges and berries....

[limber citrus]

I agree, Cama isn't too far away i think it's one of the next big herbis. But they can def add bigger plants/trees to the game before Cama to prep/help the other big herbies we already have

[cold garden]

@rare patio omg yes!! Though Spiro migration paths had their problems such as packy being relegated to the back corner of the map with no interaction with anybody else 🤣 I did like that every species had its own set of foods that were unique to it so while there was still some food competition, it wasn't everybody eats every single thing

[rare patio]

xD true. In August of last year when I started playing, I think it was like that. Though I remember running into pachys and tenos when I was a teno and in a migration zone in delta and east plains

[limber citrus]

#general-feedback message I don't think we're in need of another Apex, we already have Acrocanthosaurus planned, which will prolly be about the same weight as presented. And personally i don't think we need another Carcharodontosaurid

[junior nymph]

we have acro, giga and carch

[limber citrus]

Yea, unsure about carch but it might come

[junior nymph]

I hope carch doesnt come

[limber citrus]

Same, we don't need Giga and Carch they're not very different

[wind mesa]

:C

[wind mesa]

Thankyou for your feedback! personally i think that the glowing eyes would make it more obvious to see them moving, since they would move differently to the animations. But this could always be tested to see if it needs adjusting!

Yeah the fear would be amazing, most people dont seem to like this idea though lol.

[wind mesa]

can i ask why you don't like this idea? ^^

[limber citrus]

True everything needs to be tested

[icy lion]

I don't think making a small nocturnal predator glow in the dark is exactly a good idea for it

And eyes glow when you have NV enabled, it'd be cool to make them stick out a bit more in the fog effect imo

[wind mesa]

true i see that point, perhaps only venom-ised animals could see the glow?

[icy lion]

That too, could be part of being envenomated

[wind mesa]

added that suggestion to my idea, thanks for your feedback!

[icy lion]

@drifting current We saw the elder model in one of the more recent dev blogs

[drifting current]

oh ty i did not see that👍

[limber citrus]

#general-feedback message Fire suggestion devs pls

[pliant elm]

@weak yacht skill issue

You can hear the troodon's footsteps or just climb a cliff and the fog on the ground will be bugged and you will be able to see the troodon

[latent olive]

@limber hull a rare indominus rex post in general feedback

@cobalt lark indominus rex is universal studio’s fictional and copyright monster, trying to add it to the game would cost the developer team probably millions of dollars

[vestal vapor]

If we can get this to 100 ❌ 's the devs will for sure do this before rex!

#general-feedback message

[limber citrus]

Wdym

[vestal vapor]

I suggested a dino, not really aiming for now but as a mid tier below all the big apexes but bigger then allo.

[icy lion]

Acro

[limber citrus]

So Acro, maybe even sucho

[sharp sentinel]

@icy lion that was feedback - I guess i was tryna get at saurapods not fitting

[latent olive]

we already have acrocanthosaurus and carcharodontosaurus (though this one might be shot dead)

[limber hull]

how do they not fit??

they're dinosaurs too lol

[sharp sentinel]

i guess, they seem to mig though

big*

seeing a troodon and a brachiosaurous tingles my mind in a bad way lol

[vestal vapor]

neither are 4-6 tons, they are much closer to rex size.

They will be great to diversify the roster but they don't fill that gap.

Having a carnivore in that range opens up a lot of gameplay, big enough to survive a one shot but still small enough where water poses a threat.

[latent olive]

acrocanthosaurus fits that range (but its getting upsized apparently)

and we have suchomimus around the 5 ton range

[vestal vapor]

We have some hope then lol.

[hushed granite]

I don’t understand how a herra or trips on whatever it was killed me a cera… I had 90% percent of my blood but I was red lining from a few pounce attacks??

[junior nymph]

you got yourself there, a few pounces? Could have walked away it would have been bad if you didnt die imo

[limber hull]

i assume you've never heard of the hypers lol

also gigas need bigger things to hunt, since that's their niche

[urban flax]

A few pounce attacks from a herrera ? You absolutely deserved to die here
How do you even let a herrera pounce you multiple times

[hushed granite]

You must be fun at parties lol it was more than one

[urban flax]

So you weren't killed by a herrera then
You were killed by a well-coordinated pack of them

[limpid bear]

i cant wait for sucho

[little oyster]

I'm repeating (Slightly edited version of) a Message that I made in The Isle Discussion Text chat, specifically in reference to this Suggestion: #general-feedback message.

I will say that while I do agree that permanent inJuries would significantly help fix that (And would also be positive in other ways), and I have thought that for a long time, I'm Just unsure whether or not they really fit The Isle, at least in its current form.

Now I will be Voting for that suggestion because I do still like the idea, but I'm not at all certain that it really fits the Game. I have a few reasons for thinking this, but one is that it seems too punishing for this Game, The Isle is a Game where you don't spend a huge amount of time as any individual creature (A few play sessions is the most you can expect from most creatures) so the impact of permanent inJuries is fairly minimal and would mostly Just frustrate People, additionally for plenty of People most of the fun of The Isle when they reach Adulthood is PVP, and if you suddenly lose your ability to do that as effectively then for those People you might as well Just grow a new animal.

Honestly for permanent inJuries to really work well, I think there needs to be a much higher focus on The Isle's PVE and non-Combat elements, and ideally creatures need to stick around longer so that it's not Just easier for you to grow a new one, and you're invested in your creature enough to not let the annoyance stop you from having fun with them. Until at least the first one of those things happens it's probably going to Just be an interesting idea that probably isn't worth the negative aspects of it, the annoyance caused by it, and the development time, unless implemented absolutely amazingly. I'd say it's probably a system that could work well in The Isle, but only if implemented amazingly, and it's also definitely much more suited to other Games.

[limpid bear]

people just need to stop treating the game like a dinosaur battle royale ,personally i like most of your suggestions

[limber hull]

The issue with permainjuries is that it punishes long periods of survival rather than rewarding them

[little oyster]

I definitely agree (On the first part), but I will add that a lot of it almost certainly comes down to the Game Design. It's probably fixable, but it definitely isn't entirely the Communities fault (In fact I'd say that it mostly isn't).

[little oyster]

Entirely agreed.

[limber hull]

If there were long-term injuries from repeated injury over a short period, perhaps it could work. It would require long period of downtime to heal from them, and repeated damage would only serve to further the damage

[limpid bear]

on the contrary id say it is mostly their fault especialy with bigger more comercial streamers playing it and treating it like one it makes people new and not too new play differently

[little oyster]

I definitely disagree with that. Yes it's definitely the Communities fault that People treat it like a full on battle royal, but Growing so that you can then Just PVP for fun is still one of the most intuitive ways to play (It's not how I typically play, but it's fairly intuitive). I mean those misconceptions have to have come from somewhere.

[junior nymph]

@thick wind how did they ruin the game?

[thick wind]

Have you read all the issue in the feedback recently as well as played the game

[junior nymph]

the only issue is fish

and like fps but I dont have fps issues

thats not game ruining thats just overreacting

[thick wind]

I uninstalled it because it ducked after the update

[junior nymph]

skill issue I guess I dunno man

[thick wind]

It’s a Dino game there is no skill required. Purely a gameplay issue

[junior nymph]

also they did release a patch for the things people were mad about on release

[thick wind]

Still not fun

[junior nymph]

clearly its not the game for you i guess

[thick wind]

I have played the game for almost 8 years

Probably close to 10 now

[junior nymph]

so

[thick wind]

It’s bad at the moment

[limpid bear]

each to their own

[limpid bear]

if im gonna be honest i dislike people who do nothing whilst growing like afking in a bush if u get to fg without having gone through anything you arent exactly worth of being an fg

[limpid bear]

it really is

but im hoping that theyve got improvements instore for the future

[little oyster]

I definitely don't dislike People who do that (If they don't like the process of growing then that's fine), but it definitely seems like a very boring way to play.

[limpid bear]

well i do dislike them

could be exploring the map instead of doing that

and actually playing the game

[limber hull]

i do dislike them because it harms the game for everyone

less people active means less hunts, less interactions and less engagement

[limpid bear]

and they ruin the feel of the ecosystem yada yada

[limpid bear]

i agree 100%

[next girder]

Can someone tell me how to uninstall -dx12 cause im trying to play on evrima but it keep saying "DirectX 12 is not supported on your system. Try running without the -dx12 or -d3d12 command line argument." and I really want to play on evrima so help please

[desert arch]

Your gpu is sadly too old to run the game 😦

Either that, or you need to update your drivers

[next girder]

How do I update my drivers?

[desert arch]

https://youtu.be/nnP5bdoNpsw?si=cUhqOn-3qyl4vGz4

[pliant elm]

Purposely letting yourself take "a few pounces" and then complaining is a bit Ironic

[hushed granite]

I don’t know who your quoting.. I’ve never fought them before otherwise I would’ve known they were overpowered. And really the only reason I died was cause I got disconnected towards the end of the fight most of them F off but I got disconnected and here we are.. “complaining”

[urban flax]

Herrera is not op (pretty ironic saying this as a cera player)
It could've been dryos or anything else, if you got disconnected mid-fight you would have died

[vital laurel]

@languid river Hit apply in settings

[languid river]

?

that doesnt change anything

[vital laurel]

Have you tried it?

[languid river]

yes 😭

[woven bane]

they are overpowered because you got ambushed and killed?

[icy lion]

Have you tried deleting the config folder?

[languid river]

its legit just the mud textures in swamp

everywhere else is normal

so its not a my end problem for sure

[vital laurel]

When I hit apply and zoom in it goes into the high resolution

[icy lion]

That didn't answer the question

[vital laurel]

It’s a bugged low resolution of it

[hushed granite]

Apparently they have bleed and poison and it multiplies the bite damage, such a small dino capable of soloing pretty much anything

[woven bane]

i think you’re confusing herrera with troodon lmao

[hushed granite]

Look up my name you’ll see the conversation I’ve had with some of the other players here so I don’t have to repeat myself

[hushed granite]

Again look me up this already been covered brother

[pliant elm]

Saying this while playing Cerato is very controversial xd

[woven bane]

still don’t know what you’re talking about

[hushed granite]

Don’t forget to continue reading lol there are multiple A and B conversations going with other humans that I believe you are missing lol have a good one bro I’m on my way to work

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message thank god we're getting completely new plants that can be used to fix this problem super easily lol

if sauropods dont fit, neither do the hypers ngl

[wooden agate]

wait so did you die to herrera or troodon

cause you mention bleeding out but also 'posion'

[ornate pewter]

Someone mentioned competition for food caused by the potential addition of sauropods.

While it's certainly something to think about. Sauropods would have been specialized in consuming food high in the canopy, probably necessitating a new ecosystem of diets just for herbivores able to reach those positions.

It is not unreasonable to suggest any playable sauropod would have some form of tree grazing.

[icy lion]

@slim flare You have to delete the config folder in Appdata/Local when you swap versions

[slim flare]

Wait how and why if I may ask

[icy lion]

Because the games are completely and entirely separate, evrima is on Unreal Engine 5

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Press the Windows key
3. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
4. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
5. Delete the "Saved" folder. This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
6. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

Additionally evrima has higher minimum specs than legacy, so it may simply just run worse depending on your specs

[slim flare]

Do I just find the isle folder if I don’t have a windows key?

[icy lion]

Press the Windows icon in the bottom left of the taskbar, does the same thing

[slim flare]

Ok

Ty

[delicate wing]

Looking for a Freind so am brand new to the isle.

[mint kestrel]

Rex is on normal evrima or the test branch?

[pliant elm]

Evrima Public Branch and only on some unofficial servers

[mint kestrel]

Ooooo

[mint kestrel]

Thank you

[desert arch]

#general-feedback message 1 ton omni 💀

[limber hull]

monkey paw curls

you get legacy weight on everything

welcome back, 5 ton rex

also calling omni "the joke of the EVRIMA dinos" is wild

the joke is that pachy has been bad since U6.5 and still has yet to see a buff

they added

• 5 new animals (more if you include the datamined ones)
• a new map (including the many changes afterwards to said map)
• new biomes
• migrations and patrols
• a new stamina system
• a reworked diet system
• the grapple system
• even more

all before they buffed pachy once

[shadow solstice]

Upgrade to the latest version of Windows 11 or Windows 10

[pliant elm]

Don't forget that pachy was also nerfed in the last update

[limber hull]

i dont remember this

[pliant elm]

He suffers even more bleed damage

[limber hull]

i wouldnt call that a nerf, just a bug being patched, that applies to every single animal with bleed res

it was never meant to be a buff, so it was never meant to be a nerf

[pliant elm]

I don't doubt that it was a nerf done on purpose, But I'd be happy if it's just a bug

[limber hull]

it literally was a bug which accidentally increased all bleed res

hence why cerato had effectively 99% resistance

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

fundamental misunderstanding of cera lol

[junior nymph]

@thick wolf did you watch kingfishers video on small tiers or something

[limber hull]

i dont see ovi as a burrower

burrow raider? absolutely

[junior nymph]

I agree

[next girder]

I did do that still didn't work

[vivid mason]

@magic bear you can just disable plant physics in the settings

[vivid mason]

Where

[magic bear]

but I like the swaying plants, just not the thrashing palms xD

Whats the difference between "Enable Foliage Physics" and "Enable Foliage Physics For All"?

[vivid mason]

No idea tbh

[junior nymph]

@deep thunder I mean amarok was in isle discussion like a couple minutes ago

[limber citrus]

Yea

[deep thunder]

Don’t see him having spoke in any of the discussion channels?

[limber citrus]

#isle-discussion message

[deep thunder]

Ahh yeah I see it now

[junior nymph]

his name is zanorak cause people kept pinging him

[deep thunder]

No mention of anything though, for the amount of people complaining about the water AI for the last 30 days no one’s said anything

[deep thunder]

Yeah that’s me talking to him haha

[junior nymph]

ik I was just seeing if you noticed ||I might post it in ai feedback discussion so people shutup lol||

[deep thunder]

Just glad someone’s finally made us aware that they’re aware haha

[scenic hollow]

#general-feedback message this doesnt take into account the thick bone or cartilage they would have on their heads, anything short of high caliber would only hurt

[modern pilot]

If it's true that people have been complaining for 30 days to no response and at best they finally get an "I don't know" maybe telling/hoping people "shut up" is the wrong move... If anything seems like a good time to speak up. This community is unusually comfortable with a lack of accountability.

[junior nymph]

fish is like ok fine I guess but people also complain about normal ai which is fine. We have a response to fish and it will possibly be looked at if they see fit its quite simple

[urban flax]

It's just deino mains being overly dramatic for the most part

[tired quest]

yeah, ppl used to spent ~8 hrs in the game , surely we can just ignore them

[urban flax]

Imagine if pachy mains complained half as much as them for the same amount of inconvenience

[tired quest]

atleast pachy can somehow be able to "play" the game

be able to move across the map , reach fg and prob die to a single omni or ceras
but you can avoid that by playing it smart and hide

[urban flax]

Same with deino

[tired quest]

you mean swim for 30mins back in forth the map and beg the system to let a deer decide to swim and get stuck in middle of the river?
or once you reach 1 ton there is no living being that can provide you any diet and you have to hope of all the spawning point ,there is another deino similar to your experience and it is slightly smaller than you ?

or only log on after server restart , ate all the schooling fish in like 5 mins and log off again?

[urban flax]

I see more adult deinos than I see adult pachys

Despite the fact deino is supposed to stay hidden

[barren zephyr]

Hey where do we give feedback on the discord server itself? I'd like to be able to use emoji on the skins page, let us have some way to vote on skins.

[tired quest]

you miss the point
when playing as dryo pachy ppl got no issue to interact with their food, the environment and can reach adulthood pretty easily
they just being trash when it comes to pvp and players usually wants to play the cool and unique ones , plus there is no chat that cross species, so the "cuddle and chat" type of player won't pick them as well
that why you don't see them very common

and stay hidden in water is just a slow death sentence rn
specially when you are around1 to 3 tons that can,t really do much

[urban flax]

But saying deino is unplayable is false

Because if it was I would never see an adult one

[tired quest]

I still have 2 deino that reach fg months ago,and only log to the game smell the area, ate the ai after server restart and log off
yeah,very playable

or do you want to count the type of player that brought mutiple copies of the game and grow thier own food?

[urban flax]

And yet there's more deinos than pachies

[tired quest]

looks like this discussion is getting nowhere
yes,there are more ppl playing deino right now andnot having fun,and?

[urban flax]

Deino was never fun anyway
As I said, deino mains are being overly dramatic
They complain more than everyone else combined

You know what pachy players did when pachy became ass ?
They started playing another dino. It's that simple.

[tired quest]

The quickest way to verify your statement is to write it and provide general feedback and see how people react
I've done it several times before

[urban flax]

Do you actually expect me to post in general feedback "Hey deino mains, do you agree that you complain a lot more than anyone else" ?

[grizzled matrix]

Ok dude, but that's like, your opinion, i know many people that enjoy Deino's playstyle and find it fun to use, so idk what your point is

[urban flax]

So is it still fun to you ?

This isn't the first time fish AI is scarce or buggy
Did deino become unfun and impossible to play everytime this happened ?
If that's the case, how are there still deino players ?

[tired quest]

those who haven’t left this game and hope to get some answer from here
and yeah, today we got a "oh so there is a problem and we will check it out" atleast this is getting somewhere

[grizzled matrix]

Me personally, it's not my cup of tea, why do u care?

[urban flax]

I don't
I was hoping to get a different perspective

[tired quest]

calling others dramatic arbitrarily isn't a constructive way to understand their perspective

[iron copper]

anyone elts starting to miss spiro? i do, this might be a bit nostalgic but it stating to feel like that map had the best set up

[tired quest]

I like gateway but they need to make it more alive in most areas

[iron copper]

i like gateway too, i like the weather effects, the size of the map. but it feels like, in terms of balance, spiro was kinda it

[junior nymph]

Spiro sucked for everything but pvp

[iron copper]

maybe your right

[junior nymph]

but yes I have memories of spiro but thats more of having fun with friends

now said friends quit so

[tired quest]

any opinion about how to improve pachy?
I enjoy playing them too, but they just doesn't have a chance when encounter a carnivore.
if the fracture rate get tune up too much, it will just be pachy murder squad once again,breaking everything's leg plus another powerful tool to the mixpacker
maybe increase their bleed resist and buck successful rate first?(they look grumpy enough to shake an omni down) so atleast they get a chance when soloing 1-3 omniraptors

[junior nymph]

@distant totem id say 150 is nice 200+ can lead to issues

[stone hatch]

thats not true

ptera is unplayable but you see adult ones

theres never been a more unplayable dino in evrima than pt is right now

[stone hatch]

i really dont see how giving it stun back would be worse than the power level of cera has been for months

it would still be worse than cera. still get clapped by raptors easily. still get clapped by literally everything it already loses to besides solo carno/solo cera

it would be able to defend itself against solo carnos/ceras thats literally the only change that would happen

[urban flax]

Then it's not unplayable

[pliant elm]

Maybe bring Stun back but with a cooldown and a 1627kg limit

[icy lion]

@agile kite Have you tried clearing the config folder?

[agile kite]

I have not

[icy lion]

It's generally recommended after every major update, that or deleting the entire folder for the game in Appdata/Local. I can send you instructions on how to do it if you'd like, it can generally boost performance

[agile kite]

I would very much appriciate that 😂

My gameplay drasticaly changed after new update that its impossible to play

[icy lion]

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Press the Windows key
3. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
4. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
5. Delete the "Saved" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults and delete your saved skin presets
6. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

And if you want to save your skin presets, copy/back up the file located in Saved/SaveGames

I think it's called LocalSkins.sav or smth

[agile kite]

Ty

[dusty elbow]

Why do herbivore attack and kill other herbivore players?

[agile kite]

@icy lion Your tipp helped me very much, thanks 😭

[urban flax]

Because they can

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message deino alone would immediately die from this

imagine finally spawning in as a deino, only to get immediately cannibalized because there is only 2 spawn spots x)

[vestal vapor]

Devs arent updating until finished prep unreal 5.6.

#general-feedback message

Lets see if we can get a fix for the over spawn issue while we wait for next update!

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[tardy zephyr]

This is the worst idea I’ve seen wtf

[wooden agate]

it vaugely just sounds like progression

[mint helm]

This literally makes the food for carnivores even worse, imagine a server being filled with 25 beipis and 25 hypsis i bet NONE is playing dryo💀

That's a whole ahh nightmare for carnivores to find any food

Especially for deinos.

[tardy zephyr]

Fr

[icy lion]

@cobalt lark Have you tried deleting the config folder?

[cobalt lark]

what config folder?

where can i find it

[icy lion]

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Press the Windows key
3. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
4. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
5. Delete the "Saved" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults and delete your saved skin presets
6. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

[cobalt lark]

what if i cant find the isle in local app data?

[icy lion]

Are you sure you're in Local and not Roaming or LocalLow?

[cobalt lark]

yeah

[icy lion]

Could you show me a screenshot?

[cobalt lark]

yeah i got u

[icy lion]

Scroll down, it's in alphabetical order

[cobalt lark]

found it

[icy lion]

You can just delete the whole thing if you want

[cobalt lark]

but ill be losing all my skins correct?

[icy lion]

Unless you back them up yea, the skin file is located in TheIsle/Saved/SaveGames

The file's called LocalSkins.sav or something

[cobalt lark]

okay so i found it now what should i do with the file?

[icy lion]

Copy it and paste it somewhere, or just move it out of the folder like onto the desktop

[cobalt lark]

alright

will this be deleting all my saved dinos though orr?

[icy lion]

No, those are saved on the server. The little previews will be gone until you log into the server again though

[cobalt lark]

ah ok

okay so i just deleted my saved file and now am i good to go?

[icy lion]

Yea, try launching the game again. You'll have to reapply any settings changes and keybindings

[cobalt lark]

ah ok

thank you for your time and sorry if i took a bit long im just slow haha

[willow kiln]

@blissful ingot bro i was just thinking that the other day haha, i think thatd be so cool

[limber citrus]

@river idol Amarok said they're bringing performance improvements with the engine upgrade

[river idol]

👌🏻

[civic kite]

how would I report people from the game in here

[icy lion]

What are you trying to report them for?

[civic kite]

for mixed packing with tikes and ceratos

[icy lion]

There are no gameplay rules on official servers

[civic kite]

could yall tag their gamer tags?

[icy lion]

No

[civic kite]

okay thanks

[dry falcon]

not exactly happy that they're upgrading the engine so much. It breaks a lot of things. Thats presumably why the lighting got worse overtime and their water post process is broken.
You're supposed to see the waterline of the water when you aim your camera right but so far its just either underwater or abovewater with no in-between

[modern pilot]

We finally starting to diversify the game in terms of dinos. This would literally just counter act that, lmao.

Think this can be boiled down to a lack of playables. Ceratos identity would be more clear if more of the stronger mid tier carnivores and herbivores were in the game. The devs apply a lot of forward thinking when making changes to the current roster. Which is okay, but it can be frustrating when the time between release of new playables is atrociously long. So I see what you mean.

[limber hull]

ehh, even with more playables, cerato is still insane

they added maia, dibble, trike and now (sort of) rex, and cera is still fine against all of them

[tired quest]

300 dmg charge bite here we go

[limber hull]

in fact its REALLY good against these animals

I've seen only a few ceras easily take down an adult rex lmao

[modern pilot]

Yes some changes could definitely be made.

[tired quest]

saw a fg cerato and some babies obliterate a 2-4 ton land deino desprete to find food yesterday

[modern pilot]

I think that's fair, a barely half grown deino would probably lose if its on land.

[tired quest]

they are like trading hits

[modern pilot]

Did the Ceras have a body buff? If not then maybe that deino wasn't as big as you think lol.

[tired quest]

not sure, i wouldn't go any closer to stinky ceras
they will sit on a pile of bodies and still decide to hunt other players

[modern pilot]

Lol yeah if The Isle community is anything it is definitely a lil toxic

[fossil roost]

what is up with the waterway in evrima having no fish?

[tired quest]

I love tennos is chasing cera into the water

[tired quest]

I discover you need other playables to trigger the spawn

but only work for schooling fish

[fossil roost]

i starved to death

[tired quest]

same, i still got my fg raised months ago so I was able to catch something

[junior nymph]

@barren jewel they took super long cause the servers were broken and they were trying to fix them

and the update for rex is taking a bit cause they are upgrading to ue5.6

[barren jewel]

Well guess what it got worse. 0 fish, invisible ai, frame drops around every corner. Don't try and defend them youre just encouraging the poor job they did.

[junior nymph]

ai is not invisible lol you just cant find it

and fish yes thats a issue but they have also said they are going to look at it in the HT

and frame drops are hoping to be fixed with the engine upgrade

[barren jewel]

It was when the patch first dropped. Ai was invisible unless you were touching it. Either way the game has been going downhill for a while now. They say they're gonna fix/add a lot of things but one thing these devs are known for is promising things that they dont actually deliver on.

We were promised rex AI like 2 years ago

[limber hull]

thank god we never got it hey

[junior nymph]

lol

[barren jewel]

Agreed

[limber hull]

i think they just decided better than add Rex AI lol

[barren jewel]

A once in a lifetime occasion where they made a good choice

[limber hull]

idk i havent seen that many bad choices actively made lol

[barren jewel]

The grass for one. Pachy not being buffed. Not adding in dinos that actually balance the game. Not doing anything about mixpacking even tho they said they dont like it. Not banning ip addresses so hackers can just buy the game again on a different account. I could go on and on

[limber hull]

the grass is a WIP in trying to add grass trails, pachy not being buffed isnt really a bad decision as much as it is the absense of a decision, what dinos would "balance the game" (also adding a dino is a lot more complex than that) mixpacking is DISGUSTINGLY complex to solve tbh

also im pretty sure they do get IP banned but idk the specifics

anyway most of those "bad decisions" are more just the absense of a choice

and also they're all being worked on lol

[barren jewel]

Its not an absence of choice when the community has been asking for it to be fixed for a long time

[limber hull]

pachy has an apparent rework in the works, a mixpacking solution is planned, more anti-hacker stuff is planned, dinos are obviously being worked on

[barren jewel]

Again, (and forgive me for being pessimistic but can you blame me with these guys track record) they say they're gonna do stuff all the time but probably only deliver on 25% of it. I doubt they're gonna be in a rush to fix the hacker thing, considering it makes them a bunch of money. And no they dont ban IP addresses I've seen someone just buy the game again after getting banned.

Ik dinos are being worked on, but why are we working on avaceratops animations when Rex should already be out.

[wooden agate]

quick question what would you have animators work on

if animations for rex is done, why would they sit there and twiddle their thumbs

also "ai" being an issue you list and then turning around and complaining about them working on AI is kinda funny

[barren jewel]

Do the animators only know animations? I think they'd also know how to code, but maybe im wrong. All im saying is it seems like they are working on a bunch of different things at once when if they all just prioritized 1 thing they could probably deliver on their promises. And im not complaining about the lack of AI or AI in general, just that since the last patch some AI were invisible until you were right up on them.

[wooden agate]

why would the animators be coding

[barren jewel]

Maybe because fish have gone extinct and that needs to get fixed asap

[wooden agate]

this is ragebait lol

[barren jewel]

Ok im not raging lol

[wooden agate]

"fish being extinct means animators should instead learn how to code" you are not real

either that or there is a profound lack of understanding in game development

[barren jewel]

Yea thats why I said "maybe im wrong" not ashamed to admit that

[stone river]

Still no Rex, too bad. I guess nothing will happen this year.

[barren jewel]

No thats not true, it'll keep getting worse

[limber hull]

lol what

we still got more than enough time for rex lmao

[stone river]

I've been waiting for this for years, and I'm slowly getting tired of it. I don't want to have to play Legacy for Rex anymore. It's always just little bits of information. I won't install the game again until it's finally here.

[limber hull]

i mean rex is technically in if you REALLY wanna play it lol

[stone river]

On custom servers, if that's what you mean, yes, but there it's unfinished, with placeholders, etc. That's just as unfun as playing an unfinished dinosaur on Legacy.

[limber hull]

i wouldnt go that far, the unfinished EVRIMA rex is still leagues above anything legacy had to offer lol

[stone river]

Possibly, I don't know. I don't want to claim the devs are doing a bad job, they're not, I love The Isle. But for me, it won't be relevant again until the Rex is here.

and as slowly as everything is going, I don't expect the rex before 2026

I hope I'm wrong. See you soon.

[urban flax]

Animators don't know coding, no. Animating is complicated enough as it is.

Also yeah, they're working on a bunch of different things because there's a bunch of different people working on the game

[limber hull]

animating is hard as hell and also an entirely different mental headspace to coding

[limber citrus]

#general-feedback message Yes pls devs pls add this pls i asked nicely

[maiden anvil]

@earnest saffron I agree with you about mega and mix pack but how would they fix that? I have an idea of my own but I’d like to hear if you have one as well

[maiden anvil]

Why thank you

[maiden anvil]

@serene frost alright now I’m just getting tired of this terrible idea of a suicide button and I’ll tell you why it’s awful. Simply enough, too many corpses around causing FPS issues and likely an over population of carnivores. If you should go with any idea alike and it would be a delete character button from server menu

[serene frost]

Yeah, I don't really care how it's implemented, but spawning in on certain dino's, takes a while to suicide it, and restart.

Wouldn't be hard to write it in where if you run /suicide it deletes your body.

But that idea works too, delete the dino from the menu. It's all the same result, whatever is easier.

[earnest saffron]

Applying a "comfort" or "stress" system is the idea I've seen tossed around before. Have it work alongside a formal combat timer (but done in a way that suits subtle, classic Isle fashion). To be honest, I really don't care how they enforce it, be it a mechanic or actual server rules, as long as players get a fair and fun experience.

[maiden anvil]

I will never stand for a suicide button but it seems like we can agree that something that let you restart would be good if not necessary

[maiden anvil]

It could work but I’d like to address my idea. It’s a pack scent rework that alerts players of mega and mix groups at a great distance. With this and it could only go two ways. 1, players can avoid these groups and should cause them to starve. 2, it could attract hungry predators or those who actively hunt down and kill those groups

[earnest saffron]

Would be a more loose method to attempt first I suppose. Half the time the red symbol that signifies a mix/mega pack doesnt even work. My group didn't smell it when we ran into the disgusting swath we happened upon

[vestal vapor]

Same, seems like esch update our visuals get worse.

I just want working ai.

[dawn hound]

erm

#general-feedback message

[maiden anvil]

Very good idea. I’m surprised it didn’t get more likes

[dawn hound]

thx

[potent flower]

hope my most recent addition to the gen feedback chat doesn't count as politics. i was going for memes

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message that’s just omni’s artificially enlarged pounce hitbox, desync ain’t helping either

[pliant elm]

All other Playables have a proper niche and are made and stick to it: Carno, Dibble, Maia, Troodon, Herrera, Deino, Omni, etc. But Cerato simply has the extremely strong scavenger buffs while also being extremely good at hunting, which is totally contrary to its niche

[warped remnant]

Je sadly it almost seems like an impossible task to implement a mechanic that can’t be abused and there also isn’t enough moderation to deal with hackers so I doubt they could moderate rules ;-;

[sudden hinge]

It’s really only good at hunting slower targets and that usually takes a full group of ceras to take down any of the slow moving prey. All the other carnivores are faster and control the tempo of engagements. It honestly boils down to cera needs some tweaks but it’s really only a problem because it’s overplayed due to allo and rex not out. Cera isn’t gunna be grieving anyone when those two are released. I agree Cera needs a few changes but it still baffles me a bit when people say it’s op when it can’t run down anything it outright beats and the ones it can run down are extremely difficult to hunt if you aren’t maxed pack and they are alone

Like add more stam drain to ceras charge bite and give it a flat speed nerf when using charge bite with a bit of a damage reduction and it’s not a problem anymore

[ornate pewter]

I kinda get the impression Cerato is supposed to be about kill stealing. Lets other carnivores take stuff out, and Cera moves in and bullies the other carnivores away.

A scavenger that doesn't hide.

[sudden hinge]

It definitely is a playable geared more towards stealing food and fighting carnivores on bodies it can hunt alittle too effectively but it’s definitely not as oppressive when playing on servers without the stupid combat mutations

[random mirage]

Pteranodon's are officially dead. When did this peck change happen? When pecking you are essentially locked into your movement for like 2 seconds. If you were diving, you will continue to dive and just impact the ground. What the hell?

[stone hatch]

just play on petit pieds lol

[tall vine]

@stone hatch facts

@stone hatch combat muts is just breaking the balance and the work that devs initially have to put or should for every playable to be balanced around the others from their release, it's counterproductive even for them

[limber citrus]

Ai will be looked into in HT

[barren jewel]

https://youtu.be/_zlJnYdb3po?si=osol-ZklUvcO4e7j

Never playing this game again. Here's why.

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message bigger ≠ better. it ain’t called pterodactyl fyi

[limber citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[limber citrus]

Ai will be looked into in HT

[sudden hinge]

This was such a miss on Sid’s part ngl like the devs have annoying stuff but not enough to be considered scammers

[ornate pewter]

Well established and known that this game has a history that could fill a wall of tabloids.

The idea that it's boring is pretty shallow though. It's survival as an prehistoric animal, with a built in ecosystem partially controlled by players.

Some people just don't like certain game types.

[summer cloud]

raise player amount or make the map smaller you very rarley find food or even discover other people. anyone agree?

[pliant elm]

@mental mountain Cerato doesn't need any buffs or improvements to its gameplay, only nerfs

[mental mountain]

I agree it needs to be 1000 kg with a 125 base bite and a 250 charge bite and it should maybe have like 2 kmh given to its speed to maybe balance out the weight loss and truly make it a scavenger since it's really an apex that's good at everything but it's cool, and it can have that at least

Cerato is filth, let it rot and die and be eaten by its brethren

[pliant elm]

don't exaggerate so much xd

[mental mountain]

If we wanted to exaggerate it should be the size it was in the glance sheet (500 kg)

[pliant elm]

Cerato just needs a nerf to the charge bite to become a defensive weapon instead of the offensive one it is currently

Increase the stam cost of charge bite, make the speed reduction instantaneous and constant when using charge bite, and slightly increase the time to reach maximum damage

[barren jewel]

No i agree, boring is an opinion. Ive had a lot of fun just playing solo on this game. But after looking into why the game started going downhill, its pretty obvious that the only answer was dondi, and the lack of professionalism within the dev team. Sid said it all better than I ever could so thats why I linked the video

[barren jewel]

I can see why people would think that tho. When the game was first added to steam it had a whole laundry list of what the game was supposed to be but nearly 10 years later and it looks nothing like what was promised. Take into account all the other promises that they failed to deliver on, I can see how people could feel scammed out of their money. It would be like if you hired a guy to build your house and he said how he was gonna make a sick basement and its gonna have 3 bathrooms and a spare guest room, all these things. Then 10 years later hes still not done and it looks like hes building a 1 bedroom 1 bathroom trailer.

[sudden hinge]

except this isnt like you got swindled out of thousands of dollars it was at most 20 bucks and an early access game they didnt put pay walls on anything and thats a pretty good deal in my book devs have done way scummier things than take awhile on a game and thats legit all it is

[barren jewel]

Scam is a scam is a scam brother. You spend $10 on temu and get a product worth $2 its still a scam. Now imagine you spend $10 on whatever, and 10 years later it still hasn't been delivered to your door, but they keep giving you updates. "Don't worry, its coming. We are working on it" ofc youre gonna feel scammed. Yea you paid $20 and you got your game, but the fact that its been in early development for 10 years, and its not even half what it could be, what it was supposed to be, is kinda ridiculous imo. Also just because there have been worse devs doesn't make it okay them to have this kind of behavior. I mean really just go watch any of dondis streams and you can see how he doesn't care about the player, this is his game and hes making it for himself, which is fine ig? All im saying is dont have any expectations or hopes for this game cuz if the history of the game and its dev team has taught us anything, its to not get your hopes up.

[limber hull]

why did you buy the isle early if you didnt want the isle early

[barren jewel]

When I bought the isle knew the state it was in, I just didn't think that this long after there would so little progress made.

[limber hull]

also i dont see how its scam, you get exactly whats on the box

[barren jewel]

No, they promised that the isle would have so many things, and after 10 years barley any of it has actually been implemented.

[wooden agate]

name them

[latent olive]

t.......trex..........spannersaur.............

[wooden agate]

please let that be it PLEASE

[latent olive]

to be fair, humans still havent been officially added to the game yet and theyre meant to be a big component

[ornate pewter]

I personally got what I paid for. Which was a purchase only made two months ago. I have spent money on far worse games.

There are, I will say, far more predatory games out there that fail to "deliver". Games with multiple tiers of battlepass, and pay to win microtransactions.

Now you could debate the morals of the game developers as reason enough not to support a product. I personally have made a choice going forward in my life not to judge or reject art that delights me based on the behavior of the artist.

[latent olive]

but theyve already spoken like 6 times about how once the main dinosaurs are gone, theyll focus a whole lot more on the humans

[barren jewel]

Here's a few just for example

[icy lion]

The strains that are still planned and the humans whos gameplay design has pivoted since 10 years ago?

[barren jewel]

All the things they have had 10 years to implement but have still barley been tested or not tested at all

Actually thats a lie they tested humans once like 7 years ago

Plus no narrative, no story, like they initially advertised

[wooden agate]

so close! you can play as a human right now

[barren jewel]

Not on official

[wooden agate]

objectively wrong, we have an entire channel and google doc dedicated to the lore and story #isle-lore-theories

hypos have also been tested and playable in the games history lol

[barren jewel]

"The isle features a narrative told strictly through the environment" not as advertised

[wooden agate]

woaggg!! concept art from 2015!!! surely this is accurate to what they want to do now, and therefore has meaning!

[latent olive]

wait isnt this from the old steam store page

[wooden agate]

yes lol.

[barren jewel]

It wasn't playable until some people in China figured out how to make it playable on unofficials. Before that dondi would just use it to deal with hackers

[wooden agate]

objectively wrong yet again

[latent olive]

they DO intend on completely updating the steam store page

[barren jewel]

Ok bud

[wooden agate]

they were playable in progression

like, "ok bud" to truth just shows you dont actually care about what youre talking about. you just want a reason to be upset despite not knowing anything about the reasons that make you upset

thats fine and all, but self awareness is key

[latent olive]

I sense bait

[past crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

oh this isnt general chat

[pliant elm]

@analog sentinel This is what the Elder will do

[analog sentinel]

kind of forgot about that ngl

it'd be really cool if elder was unlocked by having good nutrients

and possibly nesting but that'd be more of a stretch

[junior nymph]

that will def be apart of it lol

[analog sentinel]

damn 💔

its awesome i dont have a problem with it but i really thought i was cooking there

i was just reheating a premade meal in the microwave

[abstract sedge]

O gen chat?

[vagrant phoenix]

@proud mantle I beg to differ, for you see I've been maining Carno for quite some time and if you're in at least a 2 player group then you can most definitely take down the larger said prey, even solo Carno is capable of hunting a Teno, Maia is definitely killable with 2 Carnos and I'd even argue 2 Carnos are a better hunter than 2 ceras on Maia, different story though with the current dibble, still doable in open ground and in jungles but as soon as Dibble starts to hard water camp or cliff camp, it's over lol, same story with teno but I haven't had any problems killing the already injured teno from my first encounter when I damaged it on flat ground, it wasn't hard to finish it off on the cliff let alone the water. I haven't had any Maia's cliff camp yet but I've had them water and wall camp which was still very doable for Carno.

Also let's not forget how Carno is capable of 1v7 Dilos, at night (personal experience, I have F2 clip if need shown)

Same story with omnis xd

[latent olive]

reminder:

juveniles and sub adults exist

[proud mantle]

I've been playing carno for a while too i've killed those all before i just hate how easily i've been killed because of it like trust me i've killed all of those species before like that was me ranting annoyed abt getting ran down by a teno cuz i got tailslammed once and absolutely destroyed 😭 but i js feel like carno should be reverted back to how it felt better and not nearly as much of a glass cannon as it is now like i heavily dislike the weight changes they made with it and its playstyle is so boring now imo. but yeah i understand all that with what you've killed cuz ive done very similar things to that i just really dislike the changes made to it

[proud mantle]

i get that too dw i just think fighting against small teirs and juvis makes a boring playstyle as you just body them entirely without a fight ykwim

[wooden agate]

i think it depends on the animal and size of the juvie

like juvie dibble is still BIG, those things are huge before they hit sub adult.

same with something like maia

but they often have a far different health/damage ratio at that point, making it easier to hunt them if they're around your size or a little larger

[proud mantle]

yeah juvi dibs are definitely really big, i killed one earlier today as a carno its just like the way we kill is so much less satisfying cuz ive killed dibs drifting and biting but everything thats rammable the playstyle is left to only clicking the singular button over and over and over which feels so much less engaging if that makes sense

[urban flax]

Somehow people think carno was more fun to play back when it was OP
I wonder if there's a correlation ?

[vagrant phoenix]

Idk I'm just really careful and when I see a fight I can no longer win, like more herbis showing up or the said prey starts wall camping, cliff camping and stuff like that, plus my playstyle which is more of an ambush is what I rely on to get a more successful hunt, there's a chance the prey ambushed goes into a more panicked state, I recently practically 1v2 ceras as a carno, with my sub adult friend acting as bait, which allowed me to put a long charge headshot on one of the ceras, after that it was just me headshotting and biting the ceras with my Carno partner just luring them away to make distance for me to charge them from longer away, it was a first after the update, I didn't know how strong ceras were, just that in my previous Cera life I died to a carno almost too easily

Plus a solo Carno is a menace to raptors and Dilos already, especially if the Carno is experienced, buffing it again doesn't feel right (see my clip of killing some Dilos with the help of a juvi Carno which I'm 100% was location hacking but no admin wants to respond to me) https://youtu.be/3BsE2KEK8xA?si=O10XGSCJ9xDeq4dW

[woven bane]

@unique fable why

[junior nymph]

@mystic hare thats no way to make mixpacking not work

stress systems will never work to conteract mixing

[urban flax]

However it would work wonders to encourage KOSing

[brittle vault]

Maybe, but it also makes it so the current mix packers will just be more hostile to others not in their group if theyre getting a hunger debuff

ive always thought adding some form of ticks that will slowly drain your health if you stay near a herbivore for a certain amount of time. It wouldnt drain super fast, in case youre locked in combat for a prolonged amount of time, but just slightly enough that you cant naturally heal. or something of the sort

[mystic hare]

yeeah i think so too that a debuff wont be a final solution however you gotta do something
for every solution i find the obvoius answers seemsto be mixpackers will just hit each other once and be done with for a whil

no heals could work how ever if the group is large enough that doesnt matter i guess

[urban flax]

Even more KOSing yay

[limber citrus]

Ai will be looked into in HT

[pliant elm]

Carno is not even able to deal with 2 dilos in a day (who know how to play), those 7 Dilos were really horrible lol

[pliant elm]

Honestly, I never found the old Carno to be Op. His ability had a huge cooldown and consumed a lot of stam, his acceleration was horrible, he was weak to bleed, and his turn radius was pretty bad. For me it was well balanced

[manic orbit]

probably look at them? its a must ngl since 3 dinos are pretty much unplayable atm

also petra shouldnt lose this much stamina for trying to climb altitude.

[limber citrus]

I wrote it so ppl stop wasting their time complaining about Ai and thinking the devs aren't aware of what's happening

[manic orbit]

id understand you. but its game breaking for alot of people thats why they are complaining (its over a month that the state is insanely bad). so id understand

[limber citrus]

Yea ik, just making ppl aware of it

[junior nymph]

thats a bug so

[manic orbit]

OH is that a bug well i didnt know.

[manic orbit]

yea i see ty

[vagrant phoenix]

they got me to 20% bleed 10% stam and on orange hp-

[manic orbit]

but they need to pin their awnsers to these things

[junior nymph]

@ornate spade was that on au1?

[ornate spade]

yeah lol

[junior nymph]

I found that spot a couple hours ago

so maybe fish dont despawn

[sudden hinge]

its not a scam tho because you bought an early access game that has made no promise to be done soon lol like im fully happy with my purchase ive gotten way more enjoyment out of playing the isle throughout its development. Acting like a game thats still in active development is a scam is disingenous and lame imo. It'd be a completely different story if they made a kickstarter and dipped with the money. its in a playable state, its still being worked on and they have no intentions of stopping from what we know. if you cant be patient idk what to tell you but its definetly not a scam lol

[limber citrus]

Guh, the indie dev team has long development times !?!?!?! Time to complain and spread misinformation !!!!

[ornate pewter]

Last patch was big, actually really impressive given the size of the company.

I can't speak for the past, cause I didn't own the game then, but coming from this point, and the recent patch, it looks like the developers are really working hard on a good product.

[ivory venture]

I have some ideas I think would be really good for Herrera, that would really fit it nicely into it's niche role. Firstly I think they should be able to nest in trees, not all trees, only trees that are big enough for the nest additionally for that I think giving Herrera a much higher body drag weight allowing it to haul corpses into trees kind of like a leopard. Think it could add another dimension to the game for those that can't climb, like a cackle of hyenas that pick up the sent of a corpse and follow it to a tree only to find it's up a tree. This could even to allow Herrera to set traps, in accordance to it's playstyle. Obviously a reasonable amount but a bit higher than other Dino's similar to its size in comparison. I think the hera is very fun and these changes would just iron it out completely. Do y'all think this is a good idea or bad, I'm open to having my mind changed cuz i think Herrera is still very fun either way

[desert arch]

@hexed aspen are you holding LMB or RMB? A full omni pounce does almost as much damage as a stegos alt attack (1k dmg total)

[hexed aspen]

RMB…. Am I stupid lol

[desert arch]

Yes, pounce has 3 variations

[icy lion]

RMB deals heavy bleeding and very little damage, LMB deals heavy damage and little bleed

Holding neither lets you conserve stam and deals a tiny bit of bleed and damage

It's good for waiting for a pack mate to hop on to get the pin

You can also hold both, which drains twice as much stam iirc

[desert arch]

You can stay latched with that version for around 4 minutes, and if you do, youll deal 1000 damage total and enough bleed to bleed out a dibble with that 1 pounce

[icy lion]

@toxic hill It's a sci fi game, the dilos are venomous

[latent olive]

@toxic hill the animals in game aren’t realistic depictions nor are they intended to be

omniraptor isn’t a real animal either

[toxic hill]

If it’s a sci fi game give the raptors poison too

[limber citrus]

Why

[toxic hill]

If it’s a sci fi game the dilos have poison the raptors should too

[limber citrus]

Why should they

[desert arch]

If you want venomous omni play troodon

[limber citrus]

There’s not reason for it honestly, Omni already has pounce, it doesn’t need venom as well. And if it had it’d make dilo less unique considering they’re similar sizes.

[toxic hill]

I’m saying give raptor clones

[desert arch]

Why in the world 🥀

[limber citrus]

It has pounce, if you want clones join a pack of omnis

[desert arch]

The game literally doesnt have enough keybinds to support omni having venom lmao

[limber citrus]

Right

[toxic hill]

It should js be a chance it injects clones

Like biting

[severe idol]

#general-feedback message
Admins having fully functional commands would be dope too... or priority slots.

Or much of any support/feedback from the Developer side.

[junior nymph]

@thorny cipher I mean troodon has the most stam out of any carnivore and is the only carnivore that has a longer run time than rest time

[limber hull]

also how are you unable to solo hunt after only 3 missed pounces

each pounce costs 2.5%

[sly moon]

#general-feedback message the game already allows you to realistically live for days without eating or drinking. thats what the hunger and thirst meters are.

[junior nymph]

@undone jolt they are always trying to add more dinos they are not gatekeeping they cant just summon a dinosaur from thin air

[undone jolt]

True, but if you dont need points for a requestable dino thats juvenile, then why dont just add them ingame so if people arent in dc can enjoy playing them aswell

[junior nymph]

What?

oh you are on legacy

[undone jolt]

yea, asura 6

[junior nymph]

that branch isnt being updated anymore and hasn't been for 5 years

[undone jolt]

but could be, i mean there are a lot of players and communitys there aswell

[junior nymph]

no they couldnt update it

it was abandoned due to buggy code and whenever they would update something would break due to spaghetti code thats why they made evrima

if it didnt have buggy code we would probs still be on legacy

[undone jolt]

oh, i understand

[latent olive]

@zealous sun devs have an internal date for when they do all that, apparently

[zealous sun]

Oh okay where does i see it

[latent olive]

internal date means only they know when it will happen

[zealous sun]

Oh okay

[latent olive]

to make it easier to understand:

we dont know when, they do

but it WILL be happening

[vital laurel]

@sick jackal its not up to the devs, it is Nvidia/Geforce now that has disable steam beta branches

[sudden hinge]

@pliant elm I kinda disagree as long as cera only gets stun resistance on bodies I think it’s fine carno charge is free damage it does decent damage and you control the tempo of any fight with how fast you are.

[cold garden]

#general-feedback message I disagree, Carno should be able to charge while head fractured but if you hit something, you fall over lool So the charge can still be used to get away but it would be risky to stay in the fight

And by something I don't mean just another player, hitting a tree or something would also cause you to fall over so that the head fracture still has impact

[ornate pewter]

I'm not sure adult Troodon needs a speed buff. Troodon's major advantage over both its prey and predators is it's small size, which allows it to hide easily.

Baby Troo is in a rough place in general, chickens can both hurt and be hard to hunt, but baby Troo has a few unique advantages.

1: They are insanely tiny. Like nearly invisible. Scavenging as one is very easy, with little risk.

2: Any food found or killed, lasts a while. If you have access to a corpse, baby Troo can probably fill it's belly three times over on it, usually making it to adulthood on just one or two kills.

[pliant elm]

The damage reduction is more than enough to make Cerato extremely difficult for Carnos to kill, immunity to the charge is completely unnecessary

I already fight against 3 Carnos next to a Cerato carcass and left them all in the red Screen, but I died

[sudden hinge]

Tbh I don’t know how those carnos nearly lost that and also with how easy it is to cycle charge they should have taken you out fairly easily in a 1v3 scenario. Even still tho carno controls the engagement if you aren’t winning and or landing hits you can just leave and live to fight another day. Cera having stability around a body imo is so situational that it’s not a big issue to me.

Honestly I only ever see issues with cera on servers that allow combat mutations if you play on servers like pieds they aren’t even the most played carnivore Omni and carno are played more and I think that shows that a lot of these issues stem from engagement decisions and how busted certain mutations are

[pliant elm]

It wasn't an open field, otherwise I would have died quickly. But that's another point, a Cerato can also use the environment to its advantage, as I did to leave 3 Carnos nearly dead

[sudden hinge]

I mean the same can be said for carnos if they pulled the fight away from the body they would have got you easier with less injury

Environment is something all playables can use

[pliant elm]

Cerato doesn't need to be immune to charge when near a carcass, its health can double. Being immune to charge only makes Cerato unnecessarily stronger

[sudden hinge]

It’s not immune tho it’s just got stability it still tanks the damage it just doesn’t get stunned

Like I said I don’t see it as much of an issue if you move the fight away from a body or just engage when there isn’t a body present

[pliant elm]

Takes the damage but Carno is unable to use his only ability that makes him kill a Cerato xd

[sudden hinge]

How is it unable to use the charge it still uses it and applies the damage

It just doesn’t stun the cera that’s the only difference when with a body

[pliant elm]

You know that Carno suffers a stun when using the charge on Cerato, right?

[sudden hinge]

In all seriousness those carnos must have been really bad if they couldn’t take you out effectively

[sudden hinge]

On a body yes

[pliant elm]

Yes, near a body. Where you also have damage reduction, bleed, and fracture

[sudden hinge]

That’s the whole point of cera tho to take bodies again if three carnos nearly died fighting one cera that just sounds like they were bad

Like they could have adjusted the strategy and attacked you with even just primary bites and would have suffered way less damage

[pliant elm]

They weren't bad Carnos, just by not being in the open field they were already at an extreme disadvantage, this added to the damage reduction made it even bigger

[sudden hinge]

Idk I just don’t see any other answer because even with the buffs one cera shouldnt be that much of an issue if you use your kit properly

And if it was that bad I would have just left and found an easier target tho I still think if they were good carnos they would have just won through better strategy

[pliant elm]

Cerato has the most Op skill kit on The Isle, that's why I almost killed 3 Carnos just by being close to body

[sudden hinge]

I’d disagree that’s dilo cera has a strong kit but with slight tweaks to charge bite and removal of combat mutations cera isn’t oppressive. It technically isn’t oppressive now since everything can escape it without much trouble and the ones that can’t stomp ceras unless they are full pack or expert ceras

Cera atleast needs to brawl you a dilo can sit back and kill you with free damage and there’s no counterplay

[pliant elm]

Dilo is another problem, as is Cerato, because it is extremely poorly balanced

[sudden hinge]

I disagree question do you play on officials or primarily unofficials? Cera needs a flat speed nerf to charge bite a damage tweak of about 280 bite force to it and a higher stam cost for using it and cera is fully balanced.

[pliant elm]

Unofficial and pvp server

[sudden hinge]

It’s not nearly as oppressive as dilo can be due to it being slower all playables aside from stego dibble and trike can just outright disengage and there’s nothing a cera can do

[sudden hinge]

Okay so that’s just fighting servers that aren’t geared towards actual survival right?

[carmine path]

Anyone got an updated map btw

[sudden hinge]

Like the games balanced towards survival not combat

[pliant elm]

No. Unofficial survival servers and pvp servers

[pliant elm]

Vulnona.map

[sudden hinge]

Ah gotcha do you play on pieds? Because I do and ceras aren’t really a problem on there at all like the primary carnivores are carno and Omni and they have combat mutations off

[pliant elm]

SA servers

Petit has a very high ping for me

[sudden hinge]

That’s a shame that’s like the best server imo I refuse to play on officials and servers with combat mutations now due to how much they effect balance

What mutations did you have fighting the carnos to btw?

[pliant elm]

I don't remember very well, but there were at least 2 damage mutations

[sudden hinge]

Yeah I can see how that could have helped you win as well especially if it was flat damage ones and the healing off food one

[pliant elm]

Probably Prey drave, gastro and hemomania

[sudden hinge]

Oh that makes way more sense those mutations are busted on cera

Gastro alone is awful it’s so busted

[pliant elm]

Well, the damage mutations really favor Cerato a lot, but making Cerato immune to charge would make that fight even easier, I wouldn't even need any mutation to win

[sudden hinge]

Eh those mutations make you a hell of alot more of a problem then the immunity you are basically fully above your base stats and can heal easily off the body you are guarding. They still should have reallocated their strategy instead of just rushing you on said body. I’d say change the stability so that neither party is stunned and it’s a non issue on bodies

[pliant elm]

What makes Carno capable of hunting Cerato is Stun and Charge, without them Carno doesn't stand a chance

[sudden hinge]

I mean if there isn’t a body they have no issue that comes again to picking your engagements better. And if you as a carno don’t get stunned when charging you still do the damage and disengage without an issue

So you still win the trade and can cycle charge again I’ve been taken out that way by groups of carnos and they don’t even stun me just hit the base of my tail and due full charge damage

[pliant elm]

If in that fight they couldn't even hit me with the charge and keep running around, because they would suffer an auto stun, killing them would be extremely easier than if I had some me mutations

[sudden hinge]

Not really because they can again just fully disengage if they need to

[pliant elm]

That's the point, Cerato shouldn't ignore a Carno just because it's close to a body, Carno and Cerato literally weigh the same

[sudden hinge]

On a body they don’t and both are geared for different things like cera is a brawler and corpse bully while carno is a fast small tier assassin. They may weigh the same but they are built completely different

That being said they are still completely capable of killing a cera in the right conditions fairly easily

[pliant elm]

The damage reduction already fulfills the Cerato role as "corpse bully" completely well, Immunity just makes everything unnecessarily easier for Cerato

[sudden hinge]

I’d have to disagree for the simple fact it’s a situational engagement. That fight would not even be close without the full large body buff

Make so neither get stunned if it’s such a problem I just don’t see it as an issue

[pliant elm]

If this immunity only occurred when the Cerato was close to a carcass weighing more than 3.1t Along with some charge bite nerfs that are already in the game (but are weak) I wouldn't mind too much

But this immunity occurs even if it is a juv dibble body

[sudden hinge]

I’d be good with it being set to large bodies 2 tons or more

That’s how it should be anyways smaller bodies shouldn’t give the immunity

[raw hedge]

Cerato is already stronger than it should be (In general)
The Body buff is already maxed if the body is at least 30% of your weight and 300KG (Unless that changed)
The issue imo is not the cc immunity per say, but the fact Cera is "not punished" for playing as a hunter vs a scavenger.
The dmg reduction isn't enough imo to be an issue, but the problem I have is the overall mobility and speed of it.
It's as good of a hunter as it is a scavenger.
I'd like Cera to lose a bit of its speed, and/or make the Rclick bite a "spar mode" like Ceratops have, where they can strafe etc, but can't sprint Full speed.
It can't be as good at offense if its a defensive bully if that makes sense.

[sudden hinge]

Only for charge bite any slower to ceras base speed and it’s gunna get dumpstered by tenos it’s not a fast predator regardless none of the prey items it could hunt solo can’t just outrun it they can run and the cera really has no answer to that unless you just run your stamina completely out and hope the prey was already low when you started hunting