general-feedback-discussion

[eager socket]

Troodon walk is like galli it’s zoom ah

[woeful latch]

good dismount is number one thing it needs, it gets punished for using its own main ability and thats insane

[urban flax]

Or being able to get its stam back mid-fight

[woeful latch]

idk why the didnt just copy paste same mechainc omni has, maybe its not that simple tho

[eager socket]

Walk or better yet group hunt like it’s meant to

[urban flax]

Never said it shouldn't

[eager socket]

3 man or 4 man is super easy to dominate

[urban flax]

Which one ? Grappling ?

[eager socket]

Constant pressure while keeping stam up

[woeful latch]

omni got better dismount in the recent update, but troo got nothing

i mean, kinda recent, the one it got ability to switch the pounce region

[urban flax]

Ah that
I guess troodon just went to the "forgotten" bin

[desert arch]

Really wish they didnt change how dismounting works for troodon, the old system felt so much more responsive

Mandatory 2 second pounce is sad

[woeful latch]

i cant even remember the old system tbh😭
never really played as troodon

i mean i did, but i wasnt really that into troodon tbh, i dont like the playstyle

im solo player and i usually dont rely on other pack members

[eager socket]

If you are gonna play bring friends to optimize enjoyment and check a YT how to on it’s venom

[desert arch]

I played spiro troodon couple weeks ago, pounce actually felt fast paced like it was advertised, you could latch and dismount in half the time you can now

[woeful latch]

i know how it works, after all i played as troodon before, but i probably dont have any friends that would like to play troodon

[desert arch]

I hate how I have to literally smash spacebar to get off

[eager socket]

L enjoy only being a baby destroyer

Though you can attempt omni or dilo hunts

As that’s only like 5 or so t3 pounces

Every t3 pounce does 120 DoT

[desert arch]

I and some friends play troodon on the regular, I would tell you to join, but I feel like that would be too cheesy, since we woukd strip you from the real experience.

[woeful latch]

ohhh, yeah i feel like spiro was a lot better in some ways. i should really play spiro too xd

[woeful latch]

hehehhe

i know few troodon enjoyers hehe

[eager socket]

ME

[woeful latch]

sorry, i meant the cool ones

[eager socket]

[woeful latch]

xdddd

[eager socket]

I’ll remeber this and one day a solo troodon will come outa no where and delete your Dino

And I want you to know it will be me

[woeful latch]

please, do it

ill be on eu4 this evening

[desert arch]

Lmao
Solo troodon when shift+w:

[woeful latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1323729644285071391/1323990674575589459/TroodonCake.gif

[woeful latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/893686109509394482/image0.gif

[woven bane]

how is it supposed to hunt if things can disengage pretty easily

[woeful latch]

well definitely not by draining its targets stam bar, thats the only thing im really against

[eager socket]

Walk behind tap shift to keep pace

My walk is faster than stego sprint

Only thing with faster trot is galli

[desert arch]

Um actually it isnt 🤓
Troodons trot is 21kmh, stegos spring is 26.2

[woeful latch]

and there are only few dinos that can actually use that shift+w strat. carno/omnii/dilo/galli and all of them are faster than troodon.

something like cera, stego, dibble running away from the troodon pack seems impossible

[desert arch]

Teno trots faster, by a whopping 1kmh iirc

[woven bane]

they can, troodons can’t keep up because of stamina

[desert arch]

Weve had ceras and tenos just say "nah, Im out" mid hunt before :/

[woeful latch]

what stops you from not pouncing to regen ur stamina?

[eager socket]

A lot of Dino’s can genuinely shift W away but few do because why run from the little venom rat

[woven bane]

that lets them get away and create a big distance. by the time my stam is back up they’ll be long gone.

[eager socket]

You don’t regen from pounce

[desert arch]

Damn bro youd be surprised, the moment they realise they encountered actually competent players they usually book it 😭

[eager socket]

And your not fast enough to keep pace

[woeful latch]

you need 13 pounces to kill the cera, 16 to kill the teno afaik.

i cant believe large troodon pack cant preserve the stamina and kill the target

[eager socket]

[eager socket]

Less than 13

[desert arch]

*if venom doesnt reset

[eager socket]

From t3 it’s more like 11? I think if I’m not mistaken

[eager socket]

Ya that too you gotta keep venom up

[desert arch]

Which it inevitably will, especially if the cera plays smart as stalls

[eager socket]

You can bait alt bites pretty easily most cera panic alt if you get them to t3 and get afew good hits in

[desert arch]

In a real scenario its usually 20+ pounces

[woeful latch]

pounce and then let the pack members pounce, if there are a lot of you at least some will have the stam to continue the hunt

[eager socket]

Etc why 3 or 4 is best to try and keep 2 constant harassing

[woeful latch]

so the thing is. 5% stam cost per pounce is a lot for solo troodon, thats for sure.
but the question is, is 5% a lot for the pack of troodons? wouldnt it be too op if you change it to 2-3%?
and is 5% stam for 120 damage that bad?
i want to hear arguments from both sides, troodon defenders and the ones that dont want troodon to get any buffs

like some changes might make it so troodon will be able to hunt forever due to its low stam cost for the pounce and i dont want that.
but at the same time i kinda want troodon to get some buffs and qol

[desert arch]

The shortest pounce you can humanely do costs minimum ~7% stam because of the staying latched drain

[woven bane]

1.5%

[desert arch]

So it would probably be better to do the math with that

[woeful latch]

yeah thats a lot

[woven bane]

0.5

[desert arch]

0

Not op, trust

[woeful latch]

also hear me out

i know why they made it so troodon has such loud footsteps, its too small and its really hard to see it sometimes so they wanted to compinsate it with the loud footsteps, it will be even harder to see them with the new grass being added soon. but imo they should design it the other way.

so make troodons footsteps really quiet, remove the dilos fog. and instead add the "floor fog" that will make it even harder to see the troodon running around, but instead increase all the footsteps sounds you hear.
so you're sacrificing your ability to see things, and instead you will get an ability to hear things a lot better. you will be forced to listen to footsteps to know where troodon is and you will have to predict when it will pounce you since it will be really hard to see it with the fog.

@desert arch what do you think about that? if you wont like the idea it will break my fragile heart

[desert arch]

Dw its peak

[woeful latch]

hell yeah🥹

[eager socket]

Ignoring its abysmal dismount

So 7-12% stam depending on how aware the person your fighting is

[eager socket]

Foot step EQ is wild rn ngl carno are quite while dilo is the loudest thing in game

[woven bane]

herrera, troodon, omni and dilo are all extremely loud for some reason but things like cerato-stego are rather quiet.

[eager socket]

Stego are insanely quite you get snuck up on by them ALOT

[woven bane]

footstep sounds should be looked at imo

[woeful latch]

omni is not loud tho

[woeful latch]

for sure

[eager socket]

100% big stuff is quite small stuff is loud

[eager socket]

Omni is in a good place

[indigo gulch]

Still louder than stego😂

[eager socket]

Dibble and teno are solid too

[woven bane]

kinda is

[indigo gulch]

-the terrain collision glitches

[eager socket]

It’s mainly cera, carno, Herrera, dilo and troodon imo

[woven bane]

why is troodon and herrera making more noise than a teno and dibble lol, make it make sense yk

[woeful latch]

i don’t mind something like stego being quite, like honestly, but small things should not be loud.

tho i understand that they do it for the balance reasons

[indigo gulch]

Dibble should have 0 reason to be so quiet with how fast they zoom

[woven bane]

^

[woeful latch]

wdym? it’s hella loud tho🥹

[eager socket]

Dibble aren’t that quite to be fair

[woven bane]

neither does stego, for what purpose? make it loud

[eager socket]

They are far louder than stego

[woeful latch]

like even the cera is rather loud

[eager socket]

6T of death silent stepping

[indigo gulch]

For how heavy they are they kinda are tho

[woven bane]

you know its bad when stegos are better at ambushing than deinos

[indigo gulch]

“With catlike tread, upon out prey we steal” 🎶

[eager socket]

I mean it doesn’t help that stuff like dilo and troodon are just insanely loud

[indigo gulch]

(If you get that reference, you’re a goated person)

[woven bane]

i got that reference😂

[eager socket]

Stego out here having learned a footwork technique from the murim fr

[woeful latch]

alright it’s not that bad, but it is quiet yeah xd.

but IMO it’s a good thing, imagine being stego in the world full of rexes. and have you heard the rexes footsteps on dondis stream, they’re not really that lound, they’re pretty quiet

[woven bane]

yea because rex is a predator that benefits from being quiet, it needs to ambush from time to time as its one of the slowest playables. stego has no reason being so quiet

[woeful latch]

i think changing the footsteps sounds is like the easiest thing to do, but they don’t do that for reasons only they know, maybe jts important for the dilo to have those hella loud footsteps

[eager socket]

Stego is fair quiter than anything else in game rn

[woeful latch]

why? you need to be quite to hide better

[woeful latch]

no it’s not

you mean fg stego?

[eager socket]

And if I can’t hear a Rex pimp walking from atleast 100m that would be wild

[eager socket]

Yes

[woven bane]

just trot then, just saying that a running stego should be louder

[woeful latch]

100m is wild

[eager socket]

FG stego are insanely quite for what they are

[eager socket]

Really not

[woven bane]

60 and 175kg dinos are louder than a 6 ton apex herbivore

[eager socket]

You can hear most humans walking in shoes up to 15m average

Something like Rex without padded feet you are hearing from very far

Plus it would echo

[eager socket]

Fr

[indigo gulch]

BASED

[woeful latch]

yeah running stego should be hella loud, i agree

[eager socket]

Oh ya don’t get me wrong walk is fine it’s the run that I have issue with

The amount of times a full sprint stego has caught me off guard is vile

[woeful latch]

i once got grabbed by the deino on land when i was like miles away from the nearest river, it was probably like super hungry. tho it couldn’t do anything to me after so i just trotted away

it was during the storm btw, that’s why didn’t see or hear it xd

[eager socket]

Land deino

[woeful latch]

rare breed

[eager socket]

I’ve done the trip from swamp to west rail before

30 minutes of swimming in the ocean

Luck had it omni killed a teno right as I got to much flats and I ROBBED THEM

[woeful latch]

hehe nice

[tender latch]

If anyone wonders why I deleted my feedback it's because I meant to post it in AI feedback

[mortal parrot]

@dawn hound A decent amount of the community doesn't like Troodon causing Hallucinations, likely because it's Dilo's whole thing and Troodon should have its own unique effect

[dawn hound]

yea, it is quite different

in my idea, troodons only circle the target, not attack it

[mortal parrot]

Still, Hallucinations don't fit Troodon's playstyle or design

iirc Amarok mentioned that the fog may be changed

[mortal parrot]

Considering Troodon has a massive group size that doesn't sound like it would do much

[dawn hound]

its cool and it confuses the prey, like a venom is supposed to do

[mortal parrot]

Troodon's Venom isn't suppose to do that, you described Dilo's venom

[dawn hound]

no i ment overall venoms, like in all kinds of different animals. Usually it just paralyzes or causes many different hallucinations. Ofc paralyzation wont be a viable option.

[mortal parrot]

Troodon's Venom doesn't need to overwhelm the prey since it already does that with its size, speed, and large numbers which is why they sound like great Night Terrors, instead of keeping the hallucination effects (Except the Fake vocals, those are cool) just make the target's stamina cost more

[woeful latch]

this might be cool.

[mortal parrot]

No hallucinations

[mortal parrot]

I don't like the idea of ground fog because Hallucinations don't fit Troodon and just sounds like the current fog but worst

[woeful latch]

i mean, balancing a playable only around concept art or what “suits” it is lame, imo creativity is always good, no matter what

[woeful latch]

and that could be a good feature imo

[mortal parrot]

Dilo's whole design is around Hallucinations, Troodon's design is around overwhelming the target in numbers while the venom makes them vulnerable to incoming attacks

Giving Troodon's Venom fog because Dilo's Venom causes fog is like giving Deino the ability to vomit on corpses because cera can also eat rotten food/bones

[woeful latch]

well, the ground fog kinda makes the target vulnerable to incoming attacks.

and doesn’t matter what is dilos thing, tho it’s mostly the clones, fog is just a good addition to its kit, not its main thing.

so troodon getting a ground fog is not something that doesn’t suit it.

[woeful latch]

not really, the ground fog is completely different mechanic that will exist for different reason.

dilos fog exist for isolating the target, not letting it sniff, making it harder to navigate.

ground fog is a mechanic that makes it harder to spot troodons but increases the footstep sounds instead, making you focus on sound instead of visuals which is a lot of fun imo

[mortal parrot]

But the Hallucination fog just takes away whole idea of "Overwhelm with numbers"

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i agree, but only once allo or rex is in the game, roster kinda needs stronger carnivore right now, i guess thats the reason why cera is what it is right now

and i would also make it so cera can hold its charge bite for as long as it wants to compensate only being able to use it while trotting or if it will just slow cera down

[mortal parrot]

The fog just takes away the "Use your large numbers to disorient the target" to just "Wait for an opening outside the range"

[woeful latch]

so my ideal vision of cera is an animal that runs from pretty much anything its size or bigger, but becomes like super strong near the body

[bronze niche]

i think this is how being deaf or blind works irl but i could be wrong

[woeful latch]

well maybe, it was just an idea anyway, it would need a lot of testing to figure if that is even going to be fun.

[woeful latch]

yes, that’s how it works

[mortal parrot]

I'm pretty sure Amarok also mentioned that the fog might be changed for Troodon

[woeful latch]

you mean changed to something else or being removed?

[mortal parrot]

Don't remember, it was on Amarok's stream but I am not subscribed to rewatch it so I can't go back for what he said

[woeful latch]

oh fair enough

[mortal parrot]

I know it was around the beginning though

[raven sky]

@bitter dove I mean teno is 300 kg bigger. What do you mean "only put my cerato on red"? Red means almost dead.

You said it yourself it's not overpowered, so why touch it? There's other animals in the roster that need looking at. Dilo, deino, beipi, hypsi, dryo, pachy, maia, troodon, carno. So nany other playables to make better, why bother one of the only fine ones.

Also tbh charge bite when only standing and trotting is crazy. Way to much. The swim speed is part of its personality and since I'm pretty sure it's believed that ceratosaurus lived in swampy habitats and it'll also use its swim speed to escape bigger predators. The fall damage nerf, sure ig.

[mortal parrot]

Yeah, Cera's lived near water sources and adapted to them because Allos had dominated the Plains

[woeful latch]

fair, but the thing i don’t like it swimming with the same speed as teno.

teno can only ever use its fast swimming speed to swim away from the danger. it can’t attack in the water, it can’t deal any significant damage.

cera on the other hand can, btw it’s the only dino in the roster that can alt attack in the water. and it’s also the fastest swimming carnivore.

cera being better swimmer than the allo is fine, cera swimming with the same speed as teno is not.

not to mention that allo is probably going to be slower than the cera on land which makes its fast swimming speed even more unnecessary

[bitter dove]

because the charge bite while running combined with its stupidly high agility is not crazy?
and like cheesy said, maybe it realistically was a fast swimmer, but it being able to swim as fast as a teno makes no sense from a gameplay perspective

the whole point was that cera right now is too much of a "im gonna run you down and chomp your ass with charge bites the whole time" instead of a corpse bully

[woeful latch]

well technically it’s 0.1km/h slower but that doesn’t matter at all, not enough to make any difference

[bitter dove]

fr they should make teno at least 1km/h faster ;-; like its a defensive animal, what is it gonna do, run ceras down and bite them ? with the bite that does 0 damage? xD

and pachy

[mortal parrot]

Cera swims slower

[bitter dove]

the poor pachy needs so much fixing

[woeful latch]

i did mention this, but 0.1km/h doesn’t matter at all

[raven sky]

Why wouldn't it make sense? Teno can kick its ass on land, why does swimming matter?

Like what are you doing in the water as a teno with a cera on you

[raven sky]

It is crazy. Most things in the game can do crazy thing with their attacks why is cera the problem?

[woeful latch]

ermm.. swimming away from it?

[raven sky]

Why?

[woeful latch]

it’s the same 0.1 km/h difference on land so it’s not like you can create a significant distance before you enter the water

[woeful latch]

because it’s not always 1v1, sometimes you see 4 ceras running after you

i mean you’re justifying ceras fast swimming speed because it’s swimming away from an allo in concept art? allo is gonna be a lot slower on land compared to cera. and cera being faster swimmer than allo doesn’t mean it should swim as fast as teno does

the difference is cera being offensive in water and teno being purely defensive

[raven sky]

Well then you either get a head start and try to run away, jump on a rock or face against a wall to at least try to fight. More swim speed ain't saving you

[raven sky]

I still don't see the reason teno should be faster

[woeful latch]

well rocks are too situational.

[raven sky]

Rivers are as well tbh

[woeful latch]

faster swimmer? look at its tail lol. and you should understand that the best thing herbivore can do in any situation is not fight at all. that’s why teno can jump, that’s why it can swim fast. to run away from the predators.

cera being able to swim with the same speed doesn’t make sense nor for the balance nor for the common sense

cera already got bacteria/bleed resistance/body buff/charge bite. it doesn’t need that swimming speed at all

it’s already the best land carnivore in the current roster

another thing that we should consider is ceratos and tenos niche.

even tho balancing a creature only around its concept art is a bad idea but we should understand what cera is made for.

cera is mostly a body bully, a scavenger. something that should fear other carnivores in the area and only be a significant threat near the body. that doesn’t mean it can’t hunt anything, it can and it should. but following and swimming after the tenos with the same speed, in the environment where teno should clearly have an advantage is clearly a bad balance choice

[raven sky]

What? I don't think teno uses its tail to swim. I don't really remember the animation though.

Teno is clearly not designed to run away. It's a brawler. If you want to run away you have to get a head start, again more swim speed isn't saving you if you don't get one. If you do get a head start you can easily cross before them and just smack them while they try to get on land.

[icy lion]

@keen parcel The steam page will be updated when evrima becomes the default branch

[woeful latch]

it has nothing to do with what you said. cera should not swim as fast as teno does, that’s the main point and balance issue.

[raven sky]

The only "clear advantage" that teno could have is the tail but it doesn't use it.

I'm not saying teno should not be a faster swimmer. I'm saying that it doesn't need to and it's not a balance issue

[woeful latch]

well let’s agree to disagree

[raven sky]

Yeah

[bronze niche]

cera and carno are good in their own ways

like cera cant hunt omnis galis and the other small fast creatures like dilo because they are too fast

meanwhile carno can actively pursue them but carno cant hunt creatures like teno or maia as well compared to cera

[woeful latch]

didn’t say the best hunter, the best carnivore, it’s the an apex

there’s a reason you see a lot of ceras around and not the carnos

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @bitter dove taking away ceratos main defense tool ain’t it, their ability to dodge is hampered because the charged bite locks them into a trot now and it doesn’t work well defensively to make up for it. it’ll make it a walking happy meal for anyone

[woeful latch]

a happy one at least🥹

i still believe that the best solution is just to slow it down a bit

[woven bane]

and teno can stun things up to 2.4T very unnecessary yet its fine? teno can jump on rocks to evade things and its the fastest terrestrial dino in the water even though it has the capability to fight off things with ease. but i guess its fine for teno to be doing all that because its teno lol

[woeful latch]

not anymore, maia is a lot faster.
it can stun up to 2.4t but it doesn’t matter since the largest carnivore is 1.3.

and again, teno can only ever swim away from the danger, it can’t fight in water. cera swims with the same speed and it can in fact fight in the water, it becomes very strong.

and i don’t mind cera being fast swimmer, but not teno fast.

fast swimming speed is just yet another unnecessary buff cera has.

[woven bane]

yea but it can stun things in allos weight range. how’s that balanced lol.
you believe that cera should get all these nerfs but increasing the stamina on tenos kick by 1.5% is too much to ask? lol

[white elm]

yes, increasing the stamina on teno's kick is too much to ask, especially in the neutered state it's in rn

[woeful latch]

what nerfs tho? cera is overturned to the point when it needs a whole rework. its ridiculous

[woven bane]

in what state?

[woeful latch]

you know what state, the damage nerf, not to mention the amount of ceras on the server compared to tenos or literally any other land dino

[woven bane]

charged bite only being usable while trotting, nerfed swim speed etc

[bitter dove]

Y'all comparing the mechanics/damage of a defensive animal to those of an offensive animal. Teno can and should be able to stun and do a lot of damage because it can ONLY defend itself, it can't run down and use these abilities offensively
Cerato on the other hand, is running around charge bitting everything and everyone

[woeful latch]

i didn’t say that, i said it should be showered. not the trot speed. and cera swimming as fast as teno is just not right

[woven bane]

tenos damadge was way too much before (except for its tail slam). how is it underperforming lol

[white elm]

no it wasn't

[woven bane]

yes it was, it could kill ceras in 2 regular combos

[white elm]

where's the problem

[woeful latch]

because you know 15% damage reduction mutation + nerfed kick and tail slam by 50 damage kinda puts teno in slight disadvantage

it becomes rather annoying when 90% of all the carnivores you see are ceras

[woven bane]

that was way too punishing for pressing RMB once

[woeful latch]

literally hordes of ceras

[bitter dove]

The tail slam is so nerfed to the ground, that one hit doesn't even do visible damage to your screen, it simply knocks you down

[woven bane]

mutation problem🤷‍♂️ by that logic teno needs a massive stam nerf because tactile endurance exists

[woeful latch]

i’m fine with cera being how it is right now, but once allo and rex are out cera needs a nerf or rework

or both

[desert arch]

Thanks yall for being my evening entertainment🥔 ❤️

[woeful latch]

i will put you in microwave for 15 minutes, i will mix you with the cheese and butter and i will eat you mr potato

[woven bane]

i don’t think its solely because cera is “op” or whatever, its because people want to play as the biggest land carnivore and that’s cera!

[woeful latch]

👹👹👹

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/frictionless-grate-cooking-oil-grater-gif-3542983

[white elm]

The release of Allo and Rex is NOT going to fix Cera, cera is fundamentally overpowered for what it's meant to be

[woeful latch]

one of the reasons, but the biggest reason is cera being good at most situations. best as solo, best in packs, easy to find food and etc.

most buffs

[woven bane]

what’s op about it? i love how no one was complaining about cerato before the nv update and now its suddenly OP

[woeful latch]

yeah. idk how strong they should make rexes and allos to make ceras suffer

[woeful latch]

i was complaining even before the carno rework

[woven bane]

still dosent have it as easy as herbivores

[woeful latch]

but ceras became the real issue after the bacteria rework

[woven bane]

u alone

[woeful latch]

yeah i was pretty much the only one talking about that

[white elm]

Charge bite doesn't take long enough to charge up and has no stamina penalty and it is far too good at making big things vomit, alongside a myriad of other things

[woeful latch]

2 bites to make things vomit is not fun and never will be. it shouldn’t be that easy for cera to make things vomit

[woven bane]

then just don’t fight it

[woeful latch]

alright i gtg now, i hope we can do some more cera talks later

[woven bane]

bye

[woeful latch]

cera talks my beloved

[woeful latch]

bye bye sugar bear

[woven bane]

huh

[woeful latch]

well don’t expect me to hate you just because you’re on the other side of cerato talks

[woven bane]

alr

[thick summit]

Thanks for that helpful advice

Whenever I see a cera I'll log out!

[desert arch]

Ceratosaurus 😍

[woven bane]

you can fight them but expect it to be annoying and frustrating. that’s the whole point of the deterrent which cheesy had a problem with

strawman btw

[mortal parrot]

Troodon needs a dismount buff

Waited half a second and you would have died

[thick summit]

They're right though

Cera is overtuned

It's supposed to be a scavenger/corpse bully

And not a hunter that's good at basically everything

It does solid bleed, damage, health, agility, speed, stam, a nasty ability and is good at hunting smaller and larger animals. Doesn't sound like a corpse bully to me at all

[opaque inlet]

@junior pasture I don't know why people don't like your idea, it seems good to me. While I understand putting 'charges' instead of stam on a pounce makes it so that you can use all your charges and then be out, I actually feel this is more balanced, as it makes raptors think more carefully before they latch on. I assume it will still cost them stamina for time spent latched on, so they can't stay on forever, and raptor will be more teamwork-dependent/require more coordination.

Else, maybe raptors could still try to solo things, but while waiting for charges they'd have to stalk or fight more conventionally, which is perhaps more fair to the prey.

Basically I love the idea and I don't see why others don't.

[mortal parrot]

Charge Base pounces sound better for Troodon

[woven bane]

no, half the things you mentioned are ceras weakness, like speed and stam

[thick summit]

They're too fast and have too much stam for a body bully

Cera isn't supposed to be a hunter

[faint folio]

I get that you are saying to avoid cera instead of fight, but functionally that's not possible right now. Some playables are literally slower and can't avoid them, while others, particularly carnivores are forced into combat because of how much of the server population plays cerato and the lack of AI food sources.

It's also unfair that vomiting removes most of your food and diet in one go. I do think that they should be able to get smaller creatures to vomit after only a few hits, but it shouldn't drain all of your food/diet. Maybe 30% per vomit? I do find that the charge attack more often than not is used offensively rather than defensively as well

[mortal parrot]

Reduce how much bacteria Charge Bite applies to the same as regular bites

[woven bane]

they are sluggish for their size and have one the worst running stamina? what

[thick summit]

They don't?

[woven bane]

do you know what ceras top speed is

[mortal parrot]

40.2

[thick summit]

Teno, pachy and stego have worse

[thick summit]

Yes

[woven bane]

nope

[thick summit]

Do you know what cera's ecological niche is?

[woven bane]

only stego, teno has way better stamina

[thick summit]

Teno doesn't

[woven bane]

spreading misinformation about cera to make it seem overpowered lol

[mortal parrot]

Stego has better Stamina than Cera?

[white elm]

The AI food sources are the most abundant they've ever been, if you don't want to fight you can literally just gorge yourself on pigs, deer and goats

[woven bane]

no, teno and pachy has

[thick summit]

No

[thick summit]

It literally is

[mortal parrot]

You said Stego

[woven bane]

and where did u get this information from

[thick summit]

And I'm not spreading misinformation

[thick summit]

Some game called the isle

[woven bane]

“stego, pachy and teno have worse stamina than cera”

“nope, only stego has”. i didn’t

[woven bane]

you are the same guy who said that cera could make a fg dibble on full hunger vomit in 1 charged bite

[mortal parrot]

Cera's only reason for being strong is the Charge Bite

[thick summit]

Pachy and teno have a slightly worse stamina

[thick summit]

Possibly

It happened to me so I always thought they could

You make me look like a cera hater though

Which isn't true because I like cera. I just want it to fill its niche which it just doesn't atm

[woven bane]

and how would you change it?

[thick summit]

I'd give it its slide back and either nerf its stamina a bit OR its speed

A stamina and speed nerf would make it unplayable

And a bile nerf

However, its stamina and bile output doubles when receiving the body buff

[mortal parrot]

Have Charge bites apply the same amount as regular bites

[thick summit]

Cera would be less of a hunter and more of a corpse bully

[thick summit]

Or the output increases when receiving the buff

[mortal parrot]

Regular bites are suppose to be the main way of applying Bacteria

That's why it was given a fast bite

[thick summit]

Oh, really?

[mortal parrot]

I got proof, let me find it

"Ceratosaurus is slow for a theropod of its size, however this animal attacks incredibly fast. Combining this with a bacterial bite makes this animal particularly difficult to move if they do not want to."

#isle-phase-three message

[woven bane]

tbf that’s kinda outdated. in the same paragraph it was stated that cera isn’t damaging for its size which isn’t true and that its very durable (its not).

[mortal parrot]

It's durable, Built in bleed resistance and damage resistance when around a corpse

[woven bane]

wouldn’t really call it durable. its only tanky near a specific small area

[mortal parrot]

But it does make it durable

Even has damage immunity up to a certain amount while eating

[woven bane]

during specific circumstances but that was never mentioned in the paragraph

if cera was really durable it would have passive damage resistance like dibble in general not just on a corpse

[void matrix]

When I try to play the isle it says DX12 on Evrima I dont know whats going on I can copy and paist the message if that helps

[mortal parrot]

But it does have passive bleed resistance

[mortal parrot]

https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/723260797719019620

[woven bane]

eh dosen’t really make it durable just resilient

[mortal parrot]

Close enough

[woeful latch]

i mean 50% bleed even resistance without the body buff is a lot

it is durable

[woven bane]

not being so susceptible to bleed and being durable enough to withstand damage are 2 completely different things

[faint folio]

Y'all are splitting hairs over the definition of durable vs resilient. They mean similar things, and last I checked the English dictionary did not state that durable does not apply to bleed resistance in video games but resilient does

[woven bane]

just saying that cera isn’t tanky

[meager yoke]

Yeah that's rim lighting, needs to be fixed.

[gloomy reef]

someone make a post of having different stam icons like legacy

[woeful latch]

@woven bane sorry for the ping, are dilos still bugged?

haven’t seen any after the patch

[woven bane]

yes

[woeful latch]

ok, thanks

[coarse spruce]

it'll make it harder for my to eyeball where 60% is :(

[latent maple]

More NA servers? definitely not dying down after the holidays. There's enough people to fill a second server both east and west!

[solar elbow]

@covert tiger Just to say that I'm fully agree on your feedback. I don't understand why we could not be able to play as a Rex. It's a survival horror game after all. I grew up with Jurassic Park, Rex has always been THE main dino, the ref. People would say, because it's too powerful!
Well, of course, it's a Rex but as a proper survival simulation, fight isn't always the goal so run away from it.
And what's the difference to be overpowered by a mix pack (Stego, Dibbles, Ceras...) that jump on you and kill your Dibble, there is nothing you can do but this seems to be acceptable for some reason.

There is plenty of arcade dino games out there for the fresh spawn players.
Let's us, mature players, enjoy for once a proper survival horror dino game like The Isle!...

Anyway, fully agreed with you and we're plenty to think the same way, we just don't have the time to argue it on the chat.

[mortal parrot]

@stoic mauve There were no ai servers which increased player slots to like 160 because the community asked for it but were removed after people avoided them for regular servers

[mortal parrot]

@manic haven There were servers that went up to 160 player slots but no ai would spawn, so people were just avoiding them for a while after being heavily suggested by the community to be added

[manic haven]

Understandable. I wish people would have played those servers more. I’m much more interested in hunting real players than living off of deer.

[tardy talon]

lol everytime i complained about the queue times people said it was because of the holidays. a month later its still the same

[bronze niche]

good on the youtubers there making money but god the queues have gotten unbearable with the new influx of players

[tame jetty]

@opaque inlet #general-feedback message that's a really solid idea! Id love to see this implemented, it's both rewarding and good balance to obtain when you're a joyful nester that do basically only that ingame, and has been waiting a long time for seeing reward for the nesters. And it's not easily abused at all. Love it! Keep at it

[dry falcon]

its an issue with post processing

[meager yoke]

probably.

[acoustic spruce]

Ty!

[white elm]

#general-feedback message don't make deinosuchus easier

its meant to be extremely hard to grow

[normal shuttle]

If I see another request to turn pterosaurs into eagles…

[limber hull]

it will never end lmao

JP has caused this to be the consistent perception

[normal shuttle]

True

Apparently people can’t notice that the hind limbs are absolutely not built for that

[limber hull]

also people just dont like the idea of ptera being a carnivore and NOT constantly hunting

[normal shuttle]

Also, @calm sleet the problem with that is that you are making deino (an apex) easier to grow the more you add AI stuff to its diet or things that don’t fight back and also are just something very occasional that I only see predominantly in south plains

I wouldn’t consider it a win if crocs get a non zero percent chance of something that will give them diet running into the water and idling there to be eaten

[limber hull]

also comparing the 8 ton gator which sustains itself on dinosaurs to the modern day croc which obviously eats mammals because they're extremely common in modern day is... strange

[normal shuttle]

And tbf if someone is snatched because a croc was not using the deer it’s pretty much on them. Just like how ceras in land will kill you even when there’s 10 bodies around

I will be mad if rex has more than one AI animal in its diet beyond juvenile stage tbh

[frank tapir]

soon enough everything will be an ai animal

[limber hull]

thats not a good thing

[frank tapir]

yeah :(

[teal fulcrum]

I see AI all over the map. they are literally anywhere on the map. I'm talking about land AI, ofc. there are no fish on the map at all

[calm sleet]

so an omni raptor (a dinosaur from millions of years ago) eating deer and boar is somehow more realistic? you forget that mammals WERE around during those time periods, they just weren't the dominant group.

[limber hull]

the point is less about the actual time period and more about the fact that the deino is 8 tons

also omniraptor is a dinosaur from modern age lmao

you couldn't pick a worse dino because that thing was literally made in a lab

[calm sleet]

only, the omniraptor is based on the utah raptor?

either way, the carnotaurus can also eat boars and deer

[limber hull]

again, deino is 8 tons and aquatic

that's kind of the primary takeaway

[calm sleet]

i'm betting you right now, when the tyrannosaurus is available publicly, deer and boar will be on it's diet, which is something you can't really argue the weight thing for

[limber hull]

god they better not be

rex really does not need that on its diet, like, at all

honestly rex doesn't need ANY AI on its diet

[calm sleet]

completely unhinged take but whatever

[limber hull]

thing will likely be able to eat bones, as well as be capable of hunting in all stages of life

[teal fulcrum]

u're discussing what a deino can eat in a game where a dilo summon phantoms that do damage to other dino

[limber hull]

the larger carnivores get, the less AI they get on their diet. Rex should be no exception to this rule

[limber hull]

completely random offshoot that has nothing to do with anything but sure

it's not about what it realistically had on its diet

[calm sleet]

why wouldn't it?

[limber hull]

it's about what makes sense, gameplay-wise, for it to have

and deinosuchus is primarily aquatic, elite fish is the perfect AI for it for that reason

[calm sleet]

by that sense, schooling fish should be on it's diet

which they aren't

[limber hull]

again, makes no sense because they're far too small for it

an 8 ton gator should not be eating tiny itty bitty fish for sustanence, it ain't a whale

[calm sleet]

does that stop players currently?

[limber hull]

no, players should be allowed to eat anything, regardless of their diet value

which they do

besides if, y'know, that food is ACTIVELY bad for them, like rotten food or bones

[solar umbra]

Unless you get the mutation for the bones..

[limber hull]

oh yea true i genuinely forgot about that

[solar umbra]

Im brand new to this game so I'm still learning. I've been watching a lot of videos on the game. Steggos hurt...

[limber hull]

that's the idea, yup

[solar umbra]

Like.. a lot

[limber hull]

they are also slow as hell so you just give them space and they won't obliterate you

we got a literal medieval war crime attached to a 6 ton herbivore and the instinctual need to obliterate anything that may present any form of threat to it or its people

its gonna hurt bad lol

[solar umbra]

Yeah... i wish giving them space was my situation... I got one shotted as a baby deinisuchus...

[desert arch]

Theyre also out of swings after 6-10 attacks

Hits hard, tires fast

[solar umbra]

I don't doubt that... I was in the middle of eating a bullfrog... I guess they had a relationship... and I was treated as a house wrecker.

Just became a kebab

[desert arch]

It happens, I feel ya

[solar umbra]

That it does. :]

[teal fulcrum]

when I play stego, I try not to be aggressive. there are enough evil stegos in the game killing everything in their way

[solar umbra]

Apparently a lot of those two nose horn carnivores too

[limber hull]

stego can be fun to play chill

honestly i never understand people who play aggro stego because most competent players will literally just leave and you dont get your kill you're so hungry for

play like literally anything faster if you want kills lmao

[teal fulcrum]

fact

[desert arch]

You overestimate isle players. Last time I played stego, a sub carno tried to challenge my fg stego.

Bro got a reality check real fast

[solar umbra]

I hope to find a deino crew or something

[desert arch]

Prepare to be cannibalised, a lot

[solar umbra]

I knooooow lol I saw that it's in the diet

[teal fulcrum]

deinos are almost always canni. I write this as a deino player

[solar umbra]

Such a cruel world for someone as cute as my Deino

[limber hull]

also doesnt help that the only other aquatic option to eat is beipi

so if it wants anything it can CONSISTENTLY catch and eat

ya, its another deino

[solar umbra]

Big sad

I just wanna grow up!

[limber hull]

maybe when bary is out we'll see deino ACTUALLY have a consistent meal option that isnt another deino

[solar umbra]

I would totally replace eating ANOTHER dino than being a Canni lol

[teal fulcrum]

that's one of the reasons I stopped playing deino. I have absolutely no interest in killing lil crocs so I don't starve to death

[solar umbra]

I feel you. I won't attack little ones either myself. If I get killed by a big one then... thats just my fate.

[normal shuttle]

So crocs can have food, but an apex shouldn’t get free diet with growth boost from something like that

[solar umbra]

What is mixdieting?

[normal shuttle]

I guess it is having anything that isn’t poor or good diet? Having more than one nutrient?

[solar umbra]

So eating something outside your diet list?

[normal shuttle]

Not quite

Having more than a single nutrient implies that you are eating more than one single thing that are in your diet list

[normal shuttle]

I think my problem with that suggestion is more about game design than accuracy, and I am always willing to sacrifice the latter for the sake of the former. Why should apexes be given any free growth boost throughout their growth?

[solar umbra]

So then what is mix dieting? I just read it as a NO in a set of rules for a private server.. I know mixpacking...

[normal shuttle]

Why would mix dieting not be allowed? Unless they mean something completely different, I have no clue why would that be disallowed. And certainly the feedback discussion channel isn’t a place to ask it

[urban flax]

I think mixdieting is specifically herbivore+carnivore mixpacking

[normal shuttle]

What a weird name for that. Back then we called it mixpacking, plain and simple

[solar umbra]

Interesting

[solar umbra]

Oddly enough.. both of them are on the NO list.. this is why I'm confused.

[normal shuttle]

Weird server

Whatever, unrelated to the channel

That idea would be pretty cool ngl. Something I haven’t seen before without being that cringe capping thing people suggested and that petits has

#general-feedback message

[urban flax]

Thanks
I hate population caps too, they're so cheap

And also probably wouldn't work as intended

[solar umbra]

How does population control work?

[urban flax]

You mean the things people suggest ? It's about putting a cap on certain species so people can't play them once the cap of that species present on a server is exceeded
Ex : no more than 10 deinos on a server

[solar umbra]

Ohhhh okay.

[normal shuttle]

And that sucks

Because what if you want to play something but you have to wait in a place where there is no queue, the croc can respawn whenever it wants as soon as it dies to retake the slot, and there is no notification for free slots?

Rotation would be so much better imo and I might try to suggest this in the future as well

Since it seems a lot more practical and unique while also giving some use to creatures that people wouldn’t otherwise use

Can’t see more than 1-2 protoceratops players for example when the roster has like 40 playables

[solar umbra]

Makes sense but on the other hand it puts a limit to other Dino's that get saturated.

[normal shuttle]

But it is frustrating since your favorite playable or one that you wanted to try will never be available in a practical sense

[solar umbra]

Correct. Give and take.

[normal shuttle]

And people who wanna use it won’t pick another thing, they will swap servers

[solar umbra]

shrugs it seems to be working for em so.

[normal shuttle]

It works at having certain proportions in a population

But servers such as petits are always full for more reasons than that

[solar umbra]

Shrugs It's beyond me. I'm glad it's working for them though.

[undone pewter]

Not always. We had players saying they discovered enjoying other species they would otherwise have never played. I think the real answer is you need both servers that try to balance the ecoystem and some that don't

Also in our particular case we do not care if these people swap server as the whole server is built around "having a fun and diverse ecosystem"

Players who refuse to ever swap dino and play the same overpicked thing 24/7 are actually an issue on the "fun factor" of the server

But it's debatable, we chose to do it this way

[eager socket]

Eh man people play what they want and some playables are more fun than others

[undone pewter]

And many people would rather flex and play on a server with a diverse ecosystem. Not everyone is the same

Our 100+ queue every evenings speaks for itself

[eager socket]

The problem I have with petit is from what I’ve been told it got a lot of extra rules that I don’t wanna touch

[undone pewter]

fair enough, many players would not agree either

"A lot of extra rules" is very debatable but 🤷‍♂️

[eager socket]

Anti mixpacking is great it’s the rest that my problem lies with like no third partying

[undone pewter]

We probably have the lightest "rule book" of all ruled servers

[undone pewter]

There is no "No third partying", never was

[eager socket]

What are the rules as so I’m not mistaken

[eager socket]

Than bro is gate keeping fr

[undone pewter]

what?

[eager socket]

The person I talk too

[undone pewter]

I read dumb made up stuff about the server on a daily basis so I don't know

[normal shuttle]

I mean sure, there’s people who can discover things that they didn’t previously enjoy, but it’s such a lame thing that you can’t do anything about it if you felt like playing a certain playable in a server with a ruleset that you like

[eager socket]

[undone pewter]

it's a few lines on our discord I won't copy paste it here

[eager socket]

SS dm me so I’m aware before I make a fool of myself

[normal shuttle]

At least with rotations people could do something about it instead of having a playable they wanna try permanently locked

[eager socket]

Wait nvm you got disc link in your bio

[normal shuttle]

Also Bubulblu made a pretty good point in regards to grouping. In like 2-3 years it’s gonna suck so much to find anyone to nest or group up with as a dryo or ptera

[undone pewter]

Like I said, debatable. I don't think there are any true answer. I made my system because I had really enough of being on 100 slots servers with 60% deinos doing jackshit in the same river and talking with each others while the land was absolutely devoid of anything happening for hours on end

that's the beauty of it, if you don't like it plenty of servers (pretty much all) don't do it so people can chose another server

I haven't touched official servers for years but the last time I did it felt like Second life with a Deino skin

[normal shuttle]

And with a completed roster, imagine trying to find other homalos or a minmi in a server 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[eager socket]

I am now educated

1. Deino not being able to feed others is sadge as when I do deino grows I take over hill side and turn it into a domain for tiny tiers and myself plus bbs usually get a pass

2. Ngl some the pack limits are awful personally I think stuff like troodon or omni need bigger

Carno too

[undone pewter]

you can play 2 deinos max (we ask to respect the group limit)

[normal shuttle]

At least you avoid that in your server, so that’s a good thing regardless. It’s just a very nuanced topic

[undone pewter]

Well I asked for years the devs for server settings to overwrite built-in group limits so 🤷‍♂️

[eager socket]

Na but I mean like if I’m vibing alone in a pond and there is like a beipi and some Herrera I’ll give the Herrera organs and fish for the beipi

[undone pewter]

we just keep it like that for simplicity

[eager socket]

So real so real

If only I was EU

I gotta go throw something at someone now cuz they told me you got rules you don’t have gate keeping ah

Ngl servers that run legacy rules like body down are sadistic

[undone pewter]

the rules have not changed in years except minor details

[eager socket]

Smh he didn’t share a discord link man

[undone pewter]

🤷‍♂️

[eager socket]

Why all the good servers EU

I’ll Enjoy my official ques and official problems like mix packers

Bouta run another pachy inspection squad 15 pachy deep of deep cleaning

[undone pewter]

we have a lot of NA based players

it's not optimal but definately playable, especially if you are east coast

give it a go

[eager socket]

I’m dead centre Canada

I’ll certainly give it a go though

[undone pewter]

might be alright

I mena we have many australians playing so 💀

[eager socket]

Why do they do that to themselves

[undone pewter]

I think the Oceania servers offering is a disaster

[eager socket]

I will say the Dino selling system is smart

[undone pewter]

You can't purchase the currency it's a closed system

[eager socket]

Ya I checked it out well designed lets people swap and allows people with less time the opportunity to play apex’s

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message troll suggestion?

[compact timber]

#general-feedback message wait shouldn't this go in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞?

[barren zephyr]

I hadn't logged in for 5 months and when I tried to log in again I had this problem. It freezes on the connect screen and the game doesn't enter. Does anyone know the solution to this problem?

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message I know this doesn’t help at all with someone who is frustrated at something, but I can’t help saying skill issue at this

[solar umbra]

@undone pewterThere is a question in #server-hosting concerning the Dino Capping...

[vital laurel]

@loud topaz so move somewhere else xD? If youre current hunting grounds run dry find a new one, easy peasy

[limber hull]

"unofficial server with 240 people and starving in a hotspot"

how is this the dev's problem at all lol

[normal shuttle]

Also that, it fails to pinpoint any issue and be constructive. In fact it just feels like it is entirely on them if they failed to keep their stomach full in the most populated hotspot with an adult deino and 240 people

[loud topaz]

Tell me where to go with 15 percent hunger left. I am intrigued. In Highlands, South Plaines, George River i am able to kill a prey every 80 to 150 Minutes because ppl avoid water... so how xactly is this gonna work out? Really im interested in an answere...

[vital laurel]

on petits south plains dies off at times(and thats when you move out of there)

[vital laurel]

you could've left earlier for one, you also can cannibalise and dont need to fully rely on drinking players, it also just doenst always work out, sometimes you starve, if you never starved what is the point of having hunger in the game?

[solar umbra]

I doubt any location will stay your creme of the crop 100% of the time.

[loud topaz]

i would canni if could but not even other crocs are here right now 🙂 Ya maybe i could have moved on earlier but like i said i saw ppl run around but no one was drinking ^^ its hard to feel when to move on. Dinos were around but avoiding water entirely ^^

[normal shuttle]

Because they probably know you are around

[desert arch]

People always expect there to be a croc, so they just never cross or drink in obvious areas

[eager socket]

If your by forks they drink at the pond

If a deino moves to pond they all leave forks

[carmine dock]

Surely bring back the spawn picks

[vital laurel]

so we get horrid hot spots again?

[carmine dock]

Not really

[latent olive]

simply put, the random spawn locations DRASTICALLY decreased how absolutely disgusting the hotspots like south plains were

with spawn choice, the entire map was genuinely empty with just one giant red blob at south plains on a heat map, it was horrible

before: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1276303795864862841/file.jpg?ex=679ca2c9&is=679b5149&hm=9a921a3d1944045455b46b59208bce40be7ded6edfe9f28dc0ac5e9c1d88f2be&

after:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1291809834244509867/animated_map.png?ex=67061069&is=6704bee9&hm=704f1b8be5e3abefc93940c409d4a39131827ff17c7d263c493098b3d4f20177&

keep in mind this was a good few months ago now, and a lot more people are concentrated around south plains now sadly

[vital laurel]

ive seen more in highlands

[eager socket]

South hands down most popular stop highlands is more of a pass through

[teal fulcrum]

what's wrong with ppl coming to sp for pvp?

[eager socket]

Nothing

[sudden ridge]

I didnt see any mod message why did my pictures get deleted? they are important self expletory feedback

[alpine oak]

I'm fairly new to using the discord here, but I'm curious how much this has been discussed - if at all.

I tried deinosuchus for the first time on this "new map" Evrima, and it feels horrendously unfriendly to Deino. The lakes are not connected to the river system, there river systems are not interconnected (unless if im missing something) so if you want to swap to a new one and you're sub-adult you run out of stam and slow walk hoping you dont die on your way to a new system. And then let's mention the bridges which also completely counter the Deino threat.

This dinosaur feels completely destroyed and shelved to gather dust - is this just me?

[icy lion]

We expect posts in the feedback channels to be constructive and descriptive. Your post failed to comply and was removed

[alpine oak]

should this post be in #general-feedback ?

[indigo gulch]

oh no you're right, deinosuchus suffered the most from the map change (well, in general, not counting the clan wipers)

It's definitely much harder to live now

you're right about the bridges, but those are kinda necessary for when the humans come in with their vehicles. Besides, other dinos still need to drink so they usually drink next to the bridge

[eager socket]

@eager wing I’m suprised 1 bite doesn’t kill you weight a whole lots NOTHING

Dryo is tiny

[eager wing]

It bit my tail and how is dryo dying to something that isn't even real

[eager socket]

It’s venom

Venom kills

[eager wing]

It's a hallucination

[eager socket]

The clones are a unique application of venom damage

[alpine oak]

Ya' it's pretty brutal. I didn't run into any other Deino players, and i spent about 4+ hours until I was sub adult got bored of the "main" river system decided to transverse my way up to the "North Lake" system and on my way from one river to the other a couple tennos came by and just slapped me to death.

Miserable experience, most deaths I just chalk up to out numbered or out played but this really felt like the game was designed against me. Will not be playin Deino again which is sad because it's a pretty chill dino just nothing to really do and very limited in range to travel.

[indigo gulch]

no, it's a visual representation of the venom

[eager socket]

^

[eager wing]

So I instantly die even though it bit my tail

[eager socket]

You weight nothing and the venom killed you

[sudden ridge]

its descriptive enough, as if it needs an explination with all the other posts about deinos starving cause theres not enough AI in the water, it is very constructive because it highlights this clearly, and if I've done something wrong surely I should see a mod message.

[eager wing]

Not to mention dilo is faster than me

[indigo gulch]

well, even if you run into other deinos, chances are big they just kill you outright. Without killing other crocs, it's hard to survive nowadays

[eager socket]

Dodge mechanic

[icy lion]

No, it was not. It was an image with absolutely nothing attached

[eager wing]

I was in an open field

[eager socket]

Unlucky

[eager wing]

Great

[indigo gulch]

sometimes that's all it is tbh

[sudden ridge]

I disagree, you havent' explained how it wasn't, an image with information in the image is enough due to all the other posts as I explained, you havent even responded to my message

[eager socket]

It’s a dryo it’s grow is under a hour and weighs less than your average person.

[alpine oak]

big sad haha. I love the new map and the freshness of it all - haven't played in many months. Hoping we get some new dinos before not too long

[icy lion]

I did respond, this is your mod message #general-feedback-discussion message

[eager wing]

I was in a pack of like 10 dryo, ur saying 1 dilo can kill all of us with just 1 bite

[sudden ridge]

apologies for the confusion, I meant this message, you just blanky disagreed without responding to this

[eager socket]

Nearly most of you would be able to scatter and hide

[sudden ridge]

with hundreds of posts about deinos starving etc, you really want to nit pick and delete my picture?

[eager socket]

Plus if they are a good dryo the dodge mechanic will make them insanely hard to catch

[eager wing]

We were in an open field and it ambushed

[indigo gulch]

yeah, I love deino but the learning curve for it is pretty high. People complain about it all the time that it's easy to survive with it because ''my deino survived for 10 hours'' but it's really difficult. You either see no one for hours or you encounter other crocs and die :/

[eager wing]

So no we are all dead just because of 1 dilo

[eager socket]

Eh man don’t get me wrong dryo is missing a core mechanic rn but this is more of a luck of the draw and bad choices

[icy lion]

An image with 0 text or explanation is neither constructive nor descriptive. Please put some effort into your posts in #general-feedback , it's why it has the long cooldown

[eager socket]

Coulda been worse coulda been a carno

1 tap bite

Or omni that can pin and install kill

Like I don’t get your point nearly the entire carni roaster except PT and actually no troodon 1 taps you too with pounce so 99% of the carni roaster can 1 taps a dryo

[eager wing]

We could escape both, dilo has better turning and hallucinations instant kill

1 pin and only one dies

[eager socket]

????? Omni has way better mobility and carno is the fastest of boys

[eager wing]

Carno has bad turning, u said omni pins

[eager socket]

He’ll even pt can kill you if they want too

[eager socket]

Yes they’d do dryo health in under 3 seconds of pinning

That’s 2 maybe 3 bite animation max

[eager wing]

As I said 1 pin and only 1 dies

[eager socket]

[sudden ridge]

please explain how it isnt descriptive or constructive considering what I have explained, because so far it seems it just wasnt enough effort, obviously a deino extinction game, you just have scroll through the feedback to see this

[eager socket]

Really isn’t any different

[eager wing]

Yes it is, that means the rest of us can escape

[icy lion]

I've already explained, you just haven't accepted said explanation

[sudden ridge]

explination means - the details or reasons that someone gives to make something clear or easy to understand:

You didnt make it clear or easy to understand cause you didnt respond to my words at all, just disagreed

[eager socket]

It ain’t any different yall where out in the open as a Dino that’s not particularly fast

It happens but it ain’t cuz it was a dilo

[eager socket]

@sudden ridge he referring to this which is the minimum expectation for suggestions

[sudden ridge]

So I have to repeat everyone elses posts about deinos starving and in how they do and how there isnt any AI unless youre lucky and blah blah blah or I'm not allowed to join in the feedback, well I disagree with your choice to delete it. I think it's clear enough and more impactful than a wall of text

[icy lion]

It is not. We expect at least some effort in #general-feedback

[sudden ridge]

so its a competition like school

[icy lion]

No, not at all

Like I said, we expect all posts in the channel to be constructive and descriptive. Your image failed to comply and was removed

[alpine oak]

I feel like they are very well aware they have shadow banned Deino plays in this map

[icy lion]

That's all there is to say. It's up to you to follow said expectations

[eager socket]

Try and think of ways they could improve it brain storm if you already see a ton of the same suggestion don’t say anything if you have nothing to add. All this is really is free brain storming for devs to make their life easier when trying to find stuff to fix or see what community opinion is

[eager socket]

Universally 5 deino on map
The south plain duo the highland duo and 1 that dominates the delta river system

And then there is me in west rail access XD

[sudden ridge]

like I said, I disagree and think it did comply

[icy lion]

Cool, but to be clear, that doesn't matter

[sudden ridge]

so it's just a power trip

[icy lion]

No, I'm just explaining to you that just because you think an image with absolutely nothing tied to it is descriptive, doesn't mean that it is

[obsidian jetty]

just posting a screenshot like "you guys figure out what's wrong with it", isn't helpful at all. Could be the empty stomach, could be a graphics issue, could be a missing comma, could be anything...at least say what you're trying to get to...

[alpine oak]

haha I guess, the previous Evrima map had a flurrishing Deino community since the main river flowed right through the map and all the drinking sources were a river

[sudden ridge]

well then nothing means anything even if it is or isnt in that case

[icy lion]

Maybe not the 1-image posts, no

[eager socket]

It’s cuz there was no safe water so the biguns didn’t need to cannibalize

[sudden ridge]

regardless of anything ever, got you

[eager socket]

You posted a completely contextless image as if it’s some suggestion which it isn’t

[sudden ridge]

if you say so

[alpine oak]

really hope they bring some small changes and interconnect the river systems, under water tunnels or just connect them in general, would make it playable at least

[eager socket]

As more semi aquatics get added it’ll bring more life to water ways and make deinos life a little less tedious

AND THEN SPINO WILL DROP

[alpine oak]

is there a roadmap with an rough timeline? interested if anything is coming before spring or summer

[sudden ridge]

an image can speak a thousand words

uninstalled deino extinction simulator

[eager socket]

a photo left for interpretation doesn’t make it a valid post by the rules man ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[icy lion]

There's no ETAs

[alpine oak]

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-benedict-cumberbatch-hat-tip-greetings-smile-gif-4268618

[eager socket]

There YT has a minor one but I can give you this too

[alpine oak]

YUGE - so hyped for rex and triceratops

[eager socket]

YUGE

[olive haven]

Random question, any plans on adding DLSS4 and Hardware Lumen? For DLSS, I tried changing the .dll file but the option disappears.
(I originally posted this on #isle-discussion but I don't know where is the best channel to discuss this, sorry)

[stoic mauve]

I can understand that. But why not replace them with AI enabled servers instead of letting the current ones just get clogged up with 50+ people queues??

[mortal parrot]

They were

No ai official servers are gone

Because people stopped using them so they changed them back

[stoic mauve]

So are there plans to add even more AI enabled servers? As of yesterday i couldnt find a queue of less than 50 people.

[mortal parrot]

iirc 2 of the Official NA servers are down so that can be a reason for the larger queues

[stoic mauve]

Okay. But is the answer to my question a no? Because server queue have been an issue since before those 2 servers were down.

[mortal parrot]

idk

[stoic mauve]

I see. Thank you for the info you gave. I sure hope they plan on adding more servers. It seems the game has been increasing in popularity as of late (especially with the AI fix) and a lot of players including myself won't stick around to wait in a 50+ queue.

[eager socket]

@quick talon fun fact pouncing onto a deino does all that already

[quick talon]

Really?

[eager socket]

Drains more stam reduces speed the more the bettereffect

[quick talon]

I gotta see it.

[eager socket]

Yes sir

[faint folio]

It is unfriendly to deino by design (devs didn't like how easy it was to grow and 8T gator with a 1-tap attack on the old map), but I think there's a few additional factors that are making it particularly difficult right now.

1. the fish spawn mechanics seem to be wonky, so there's limited AI to support between player meals

2. Theres planned to be more large semi aquatics that should be a decent food source (and competition) for deino. Right now pretty much everything except deino and beipi is terrestrial, and that complicates getting player food because terrestrial creatures only go to water to drink. Beipi is also too small to be a food source for deino.

3. In a past dev blog they talked about a scenario where migrating groups would need to pick between different funnel areas as they moved around the map. An explicit example was crossing a river- either using a bridge (which could for example be guarded by an apex as an easy way to guarantee food), or swim (which could be guarded by deinos). However, there's usually not large land carnivores blocking bridges right now, so again it means deino is skipped past.

4. I personally think it would be a nice mechanic if semiaquatics had reduced water drain during rainstorms. This would allow deino and others to wander further from water and relocate, but still limit them to a chosen body of water most of the time

[eager socket]

Get the boys and start pouncing bigger stuff

Or he’ll pounce on a FG pachy see what 1 FG does to bros stam and speed

[quick talon]

Thank you, I'll delete the worthless suggestion then xD
Though, grabbing the tail would look so funny. Imagine the deino being dragged backwards by the tail XDD

[eager socket]

Yes but also op ish as you could spam it to prevent them from going into water when they trying to drag

[quick talon]

Not op if you need 4+ raptors to do it. And they turn pretty quick, you have a very short timeframe to do it.

It would be op on small deinos trying to grab a small carnivore next to a big one ofc

"don't touch my child!" then the deino starts screaming

[urban flax]

It's op if you need only 4 raptors to do it
It should require AT LEAST 8
And more realistically 16 to stop a deino from moving

[quick talon]

bOi the pack limit is 8

[urban flax]

And troodons
A server full of troodons probably wouldn't be enough

[urban flax]

Which is probably why such a mechanic doesn't exist

[quick talon]

Well, it almost does

[urban flax]

Also I don't see the use of it, since even omniraptor is oneshot by a simple deino bite anyways
It doesn't need to lunge

[quick talon]

They're not oneshot, I think it takes 2 alt attacks or 3 normal bites if I'm not mistaken

[urban flax]

No
Deino's biteforce is 500
Omniraptor has 450 hp
Do the math

[quick talon]

isn't 450 the weight?

does weight mean hp here?

[urban flax]

Weight = health

[faint folio]

Yes. Weight is equivalent to health in this game (it's also I believe related to bleed pool size but I don't know if it's 1:1)

The only time deino won't 1-shot Omni is a tail hit

[quick talon]

That's very weird, but if it works it works I guess. Is there anywhere I can look for the head/body/tail damage multipliers for each dino? Maybe they did some balancing there because hp=weight seems very hard to balance just like that.

[faint folio]

Body is 1.0, head is 1.5 I think for most? And tail is 0.75

[icy lion]

Tail tip takes negligible damage too

Legs are also around x.75 ish

[faint folio]

Stego head is 2.0, and pachy head is 0.75. I may be wrong but I think Diablo also takes 0.75 on head

[faint folio]

This is also why sometimes the weight of a dino is not realistic to what they're predicted irl. The in-game lore explanation is it's a Jurassic Park kind of situation where all the dinos are GMO

[quick talon]

I wish they keep the dinos vs humans kind of thing on a separate beta or game-mode. I really like the immersive experience, feeling like you're truly in the dinosaur era.

[faint folio]

I'm pretty sure it is going to be a server option to disable humans

[quick talon]

Should be a server option to enable them. Don't most people prefer the base game to be stinky-ape free? :))

[icy lion]

That's the same thing

[faint folio]

But regardless of whether humans are enabled, the dinos are still unrealistic because of the fact that they're sci-fi monsters created by a genetic program

[faint folio]

Hard to say because we don't know how the stinky apes will play until they're here

Also, I think it's important to keep in mind that while most of the current player base is playing the game because dino RP survival, the human aspect will probably appeal to a different player base. The isle is trying to attract both kinds of players. But the human players aren't here yet because humans aren't in game yet

[quick talon]

They could get a little greedy and make the Dinos vs Humans a separate game, and only give it for free to those who had The Isle before. It will get them money while also keeping the base game stinky ape free

[icy lion]

Ew

[quick talon]

Ik, but most game companies would do such things

[faint folio]

Or it could just be a server option and they don't need to pay steam to list another game that is literally the same except an .ini value?

[quick talon]

Still, the dino vs humans sounds very cool. If they do it right booth parties will be pleased

[faint folio]

How much does Steam get from sales on their store? Thought it was 10-30% or something like that

[quick talon]

They did this kind of crap with ARK Survival evolved

[icy lion]

iirc 30%

[faint folio]

They did... And not many people liked it 😬 I've never played extinction or the expansions cuz I don't want to pay a second time

[quick talon]

Well, if it somehow pays out in the long run, The Isle could do it. I mean, if you were the owner and you're out of that "making a cool game for fellow gamers to play" kind of stage and just want to retire, what would you do?

[faint folio]

I'd probably stop developing games to be honest 😅 I get what you're saying, but I don't see a market that would be willing to pay for 2 copies of the game, where the difference is one has humans perma-disabled and the other is literally the same game, but with a toggle to enable/disable humans on a server by server basis. The second game can do everything the first can, plus more

A lot of games on steam just quietly close down or stop updating when the devs no longer want to keep making games and want to retire instead

[manic gull]

so, idk whether this will be interesting or useful to anybody, but here goes:
i think i had the best experience as my very first time playing the game. first i tried bepi, but starved to death trying to get to a sanctuary and there were no mushrooms there. then a solo exploration as a hypsi, but had the worst diet ever in the swamps.
and then i tried teno. a couple of hours went in a blink of an eye. journey started with me killing a juvi cera or a carno, idk how to distunguish them, and then proudly trotting away to the patrol zone. got spooked in the first migration zone by a pachy, but they brought me a fruit, so we chilled during the night and it was cute af. on our way to the next migration we found a bebe stego, who joined us on a journey. the stego was a little dumb, but we loved him nonetheless. rivers crossed, small deino battled, safe and sound to the next migration zone, with brief encounter of two small dibbles whom we safely escorted to randomly found pair of adult dibbles.
also got the bajesus scared out of me when i got jumped by a herrera, but we survived and ran the hell away.
and then on the new migration zone watched some apexes rip each other to shreds while sitting in the bushes on the hill and muching on leaves.
so i'm absolutely happy with my first 5 hours of gameplay :D

[green niche]

Tbh i absolutely cant wait until we get humans. I will never play them - i have zero interest in playing human. However i think hunting them down, or even allying with them, will be so much fun for me. The fact that this is a dino sim of sorts was 90% of the draw for me - the other 10% was that the humans being added would make it the exact sort of game ive always dreamed of

(Also on the immersion: personally i find the boar, goats, deer, fishes (except coelocanth... although that we the fact we have that in fresh instead of salt is like, honestly the most immersion breaking), plant species and that dinosaurs from entirely different times and some that dont exist (cough omni cough debateably troodon cough) to be more immersion breaking than the humans.

Actually i have decided: the two biggest immersion breaks in the game is the freshwater coelocanthes and the grass

[indigo gulch]

the.....the grass?

[green niche]

.... you know, the grass not being from dino times...
People have being saying they dont like apex herbis grazing. Well, if you want to implement that feature and give it a 'realistic' reason: grass didnt exist until after the dinosaurs died, iirc, so maybe the apex herbis get indigestion when they eat it.

Grass didnt exist at that point in time

[indigo gulch]

...........

[green niche]

Grass is a very new family

[green niche]

Also this would mean bananas would have to be removed from their diet too

[icy lion]

Yea grass didn't appear until.... the mid-late Cretaceous iirc

[green niche]

Give me cycads or give me DEATH

[icy lion]

Rex would've seen it, but not stego

[icy lion]

Those are the sanctuary trees!

[green niche]

OH YEAH

[icy lion]

I'd like to see them used more though

[green niche]

I forgot about sanc

[indigo gulch]

I'm sure there was SOME form of grass

[green niche]

Cycads my belovéds 💕💕💕

[indigo gulch]

granted, not the one we have here, but surely something

[green niche]

Nope

[icy lion]

In the mid-late cretaceous there was, but prior to that, ground cover was primarily ferns

[green niche]

No grasses until the time period that superlunary mentioned

It just. Straight up had not evolved yet

YOU KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE AS FISH IN RIVERS

BICHIRS AND AFRICAN BUTTERFLY FISH

[indigo gulch]

remind me how many years that was ago again?

[green niche]

Sorry for caps i got really excited those are my favourite fish

They are both REALLY old species and are living fossils like coelocanth

[indigo gulch]

I like history, but years aren't my strong suit

[icy lion]

More than 70 million years ago

[green niche]

Bichirs are ALMOST AS OLD AS LAND PLANTS i misread the info but THEY DIVERGED AT THE END OF THE CRETACEOUS

[indigo gulch]

okay, but they found grass fossils from early cretaceous

so maybe a bit older than that

[icy lion]

Ah my bad yea, I remembered it was the Cretaceous but not exactly which part of it

[indigo gulch]

but I think grass should exist simply for troodon to not be slaughtered x)

[icy lion]

I mean grass exists because the game takes place in the modern era and it's hard to not find grass at this point

[green niche]

I would prefer the ferns, the ferns would provide better cover imo

I like troodon not being slaughtered

Except when they are trying to slaughter me. Then i like slaughtering troos

[faint folio]

Before grass you still would have meadows and ground cover, but it would have been ferns and cycads. So troodon would still be able to hide and not be slaughtered, the plant model would just look like a fern

[faint folio]

Fun fact- although the only remaining extant coelocanths are marine fish, there WERE freshwater coelacanths during the time of the dinosaurs, so it's NOT actually an immersion break! They must've been made and released on the isle just like the dinosaurs

[covert tiger]

@storm aurora how can a ptera pick up something heavier than it and still somehow fly with it?
pteras are extremely light, even lighter than a fresh spawn omni

[sly sinew]

Perhaps they are African Pterosaurs, rather than European

[karmic plank]

#general-feedback message I've been seeing a lot more general connection issues with players lately, and ones that don't seem to be the players fault or anything that players can actually fix. Situations where one account can connect but another can't on the same PC, for example.

Almost like a shadow ban but without them actually being banned. Sometimes it's one server, sometimes it's all, sometimes it fixes after servers restart, often it doesn't. I feel like it isn't being given enough attention

[limber hull]

no, not really. Humans are one of the biggest things for getting people to play. I can name almost 10 friends that don't really wanna play this game without humans

[green niche]

Oh that is an excellent fact 👀 ty

[faint folio]

In case one is interested, here is a study (that I have not read beyond the abstract) about a freshwater coelacanth: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0234183

[green niche]

Ooo tytyty im going to add that to my reading list

[karmic plank]

FYI DLSS isn't fake frames, it's smart upscaling - MFG in the 5xxx series is fake frames, which Evrima doesn't support

[faint folio]

This is an underrated comment 🤣

[quick talon]

I don't believe you. Not the part with the humans, but the part with "10 friends". You play the Isle, you don't have friends, it's the unwritten tradeoff in the license agreement.

[green niche]

i am howling with laughter

[white elm]

god why do people want ptera to be a competent predator 😭

[urban flax]

He bought them

[woven bane]

@limber hull i normally don’t ask this but.. why do you disagree?

[limber hull]

Because I feel this is just pachy 2.0. It doesn't really feel like it adds much to the flavour of Troodon and exists purely to detriment both self-defence and flight

A stegosaurus with this debuff would lose RIDICULOUS amounts of stam for even trying to defend itself from a troodon horde, for instance

[desert arch]

Make it scale then based on size with a hard cap of how much stamina it can drain

Simple fix really

[woven bane]

true it dosen’t add much to it but that’s a necessary change for it

[urban flax]

Isn't that the exact specific thing you disagreed with about my suggestion the other day

[desert arch]

This ones the venom actually doing it, not you

So the prey cant just say "nah Im good"

You doing something to drain your preys stamina =/= venom actually being useful

[woven bane]

btw that won’t fix the issue with troodon

stalling will still be a viable form of strategy to completely counter the venom

[thick summit]

@placid karma no

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message sounds good on paper, but this would be awful in game. some dinos without the stam are useless. i would rather want troodon to get stam boost and pounce stam cost reduction instead of this

i know troodon needs a buff, but let’s not give it too much, not this kind of buff

tested some stuff with the troodon and honestly the only things that can run away from you are galli/carno/omni/dilo. the rest just cannot, if you got a decent pack they won’t run away from you

[desert arch]

And 3 of those is in the exact size range its supposed to hunt in

[woeful latch]

they’re also faster

[desert arch]

Point still stands

Theres nothing else in that size range aside from pachy

[woeful latch]

draining someone’s stamina is awful ability, like it’s just bad.
why don’t you just want stam boost and low cost for the pounce?

[desert arch]

Id take anything atp

[quick talon]

Fair point

[desert arch]

I just want the cheesy strat of being able to just w+shift to nullify troodon

Pun intended

[woeful latch]

i would honestly just want ground fog and stam boost

[quick talon]

I lost my 40% carno to a dible half my size, because it somehow managed to knock me down, and his big mommy arrived and finished the job

how tf

[woeful latch]

i mean.. not like it’s just troodon issue, what’s the difference between w+shift from the cera or w+shift from the troodon?

if you got a decent pack and keeping your stamina you can easily chase most things running away from you

troodon is almost omni speed and got a lot of running stamina as well

[desert arch]

That the venom resets every time the prey does that, which kills troodons dps

So you essentially wasted stam to get them to stage 3 for nothing

[woven bane]

not just running away, stalling the venom. they can run and keep their distance till the venom resets. with increased stam consumption while running they won’t be able to do that

[woven bane]

it would be a bandaid for the problem but not a good enough solution

[woven bane]

troodons are hunters and cera is a defensive brawler not designed to chase down its foes

[woeful latch]

but you did the damage, not like you wasted the stamina for nothing

[desert arch]

Whopping 40dmg per pounce

That barely tickles even something like a dilo

[woven bane]

passive healing ain’t helping either

[desert arch]

😭

[woeful latch]

that’s why stam buff would be awesome

stam drain is ew no no, it’s too much for the troodon and won’t be good

[woven bane]

again it wouldn’t fix being able to stall out the venom

[woeful latch]

how?

if you got enough stamina and stamina cost reduction you can chase and keep pouncing

not to mention if it’s something slower than you you can easily chase it down

[woven bane]

you do but they can keep their distance pretty easily, that’s the problem (not talking about being able to shift + W away in this hypothesis).

[woeful latch]

i mean, if it decides to run it will waste a lot of stamina doing so, it can’t run forever and tactical doesn’t work with the venom

[woven bane]

the stages only last 25 seconds (except for stage3), who can’t avoid getting pounced during that short period?

[woeful latch]

what i’m saying is removing someone’s ability to defend themselves via draining the stamina is awful

[woven bane]

you will be able to defend yourself by standing your ground and not running around.

[woeful latch]

again, i would rather want them to buff the troodon, instead of adding a mechanic to nerf everything troodon fights

[woeful latch]

nice, increase the duration of stages, don’t add stam drain

problem solved

[woven bane]

no, its not that simple

[woeful latch]

you should see how maia vs troodon looks like, or maia vs carno

[woeful latch]

it is that simple, increase troodons stamina, decrease the stam cost for the pounce, make third stage last a lot longer. problem solved. like actually

[woven bane]

carnos can stand their ground just fine, maia is another can of worms

[woven bane]

nope, i’ve had opponent stalling out for minutes even. because its really easy avoiding getting pounced

[woeful latch]

i wouldn’t say that, troodons pounce is famous for its buggy hitbox, you can pounce the tail and tp to the side and stuff.

and if you can’t land a pounce that’s on you, if someone is good at avoiding the pounces they deserve to not get pounced.

[woven bane]

that’s just desync. troodons pounce hitbox is extremely tiny

[woeful latch]

especially when there’s a lot of troodons running after you and pouncing

[woeful latch]

what dino?

[woven bane]

if they try to be aggressive and keeping the pressure up it won’t go well for them, you can alt bite them once

[woeful latch]

yes, troodon is tiny

[woven bane]

omnis, cera, tenos etc

[woven bane]

its ridiculously easy to avoid getting pounced by troodons, that shouldn’t be heavily rewarded

[woeful latch]

teno got 2:45 minutes running stamina, if we increase troodons stamina, reduce the stam cost for pouncing, increase the third stage duration it won’t be able to run away from you anymore

like again, i would rather want troodon buff, instead of nerfing everyone’s stamina fighting troodon. especially 3x stamina drain people want, its too much, it won’t be good

[woven bane]

tenos can also occasionally stop to regenerate some stamina by trotting, there are multiple things to be taken into account

[woeful latch]

doesn’t matter, troodon will have a lot more stamina

if it stops to trot you will easily get some pounces on it

it can only trot while it’s above 60%

[woven bane]

your suggestion will only make it slightly easier but not fix the core issue

[woeful latch]

it will in fact fix the issue. your issue is that they can run away from you and here’s a solution how to not let them do it

[woven bane]

even when i have full stamina on troodon, they can still somewhat keep the distance and wait it out till the venom resets

[woeful latch]

increase the third stage venom duration.

[indigo gulch]

Get pounced->run for 25 seconds->walk->get pounced-> run for 25 seconds-> walk->repeat cycle

[woven bane]

^

[woeful latch]

• stamina boost

• reduced stam cost for pounces

• increase the third stage venom duration

[indigo gulch]

Troodon will run out of stam before that

[woeful latch]

problem solved.

[indigo gulch]

The third one is irrelevant to what I said, the other two have some merit

[woeful latch]

no one will actually play like that and again, they can’t run forever, they will run out of stam

[indigo gulch]

[woven bane]

not at all, avoiding getting pounced for 25 seconds ain’t that hard

[indigo gulch]

They can, they have and they will

[woven bane]

you’d be suprised

[indigo gulch]

Literally happened my last troodon session

[woeful latch]

imo it is, it might be simple if there’s just one troodon, with the pack it’s close to impossible

[indigo gulch]

[woeful latch]

even if it happens, they won’t be able to run away forever if we buff troodons stamina

[indigo gulch]

Not really you just gotta keep turning

[woven bane]

troodon sucks at keeping pressure and being aggressive, that will just get them killed. 25 seconds is very short

[woeful latch]

they will run out of stamina before at some point

[woeful latch]

nice, chase the prey down, let it waste all its stamina if it doesn’t want to fight you and then you can pounce it and kill it

you want to drain someone’s stamina with the pounces, but the funny thing is that your solution is the one that won’t fix the issue, because nothing stops them from running away after the first pounce.

my solution actually makes it so they cannot run away from you, since they won’t have enough stamina for that.

[woven bane]

btw that won’t fix the other issue of opponents being able to just shift + W away.

[woeful latch]

it will? how would they do that if they don’t have stamina to outrun you?

[woven bane]

omni for example has good enough bleed to force you into playing it more defensively, why can’t the same be done for troodon

[woven bane]

i have played troodon and even when 1 of my packmates have full stamina they can’t continue the hunt

[woeful latch]

why?

look, your changes will punish people for fighting the troodon, because it will drain stamina bar.
everyone will just run away from them after the first pounce.

my changes makes it so it’s impossible to run away from the troodon, because it will simply outstam you, which will force people into fighting it while they have stam instead of running away and fighting out of stam after

[woven bane]

sure but they will still be able to get to a forest which completely counters troodon. with increased stamina consumption while running the opponent won’t be able to get far enough

[woeful latch]

good, trees and stuff should be good against the troodon, the way they’re good for escaping the carno, no one should be good at any situation, that’s why people are asking for cera nerf btw

[vivid mason]

troo talk?

[woven bane]

apparently making the venom similar to a body fracture would make it op

[vivid mason]

how bro

troo is underperforming as hell

[faint tapir]

oh no... now the Glizzler joins. Grab popcorn glizzy

[vivid mason]

ok ill go make some

[woeful latch]

you missed it

[woven bane]

troodon gets 1 tapped by everything, it is not able to fight in forests at all. is it too much to ask that you use more brainpower when fighting troodons instead of just pressing Shift + W or abusing terrain

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[woven bane]

it will still make it easy to counter them🤷‍♂️

[woeful latch]

i gave you the solution, even without the stam they can still run to the forrest lol, nothing really stops them

forrests are everywhere

[woven bane]

it will make it significantly harder getting to 1

you will be taking insane dmg on the way there and potentially die, that fixes troodon

[woeful latch]

again, your suggestion will punish people for fighting troodons, my solution will forced them to fight troodons

[woeful latch]

no, even with the 3x stam you still can easily do it

[woven bane]

so does omni need a nerf because it can punish you for moving too much?

[vivid mason]

troodon is pathetically easy to counter, its 1 shot, if you have more than 100 ping then you automatically win, it gets thrown off from foliage that dont even have collisions, desync punishes it more than it does any dino, and its just so easy to counter

[woeful latch]

it doesn’t tho, the bleed is good, but not that good

[woven bane]

losing bleed is worse than stamina btw

[vivid mason]

id rather be low on stam than low on bleed against omnis

[woven bane]

bleed also affects stamina regeneration, it would still be more punishing

[woeful latch]

losing some bleed or losing all your stamina?

[vivid mason]

you have no idea how strong omni's bleed can be if stacked properly

[woeful latch]

i have

[woven bane]

then don’t run around in circles like a maniac? you don’t have to constantly be running during fights

just trot and u won’t lose any

[vivid mason]

idk what would be so bad abt troodon having 3x stam consumption venom

[bronze niche]

25 seconds in combat feels like 1 hour in the isle

[vivid mason]

feels like 5 seconds to me

[woeful latch]

alright, here me out.

here’s the changes you want:

3x stamina drain if you’re envenomed.

result:
prey will run away from you after the first pounce, because it will know if it will keep fighting it will lose all its stamina in a moment.
that’s why no one will fight troodons, they will always run away from it and if they decide to fight they will be punished for that.

here’s my buffs:

• increase the stamina
• reduce the stam cost per pounce
• significantly increase the stage 3 venom duration.

results:
you can’t run away from the troodon, because it will simply outstam you and you will be forced to fight it without the stam, that change will make you face the troodons instead of running away. troodons will chase you down and fight you and you won’t be able to do anything except the alt bites since you were running for so long you lost all your stamina

[vivid mason]

i doubt most players will even know troodon has venom, let alone realize it speeds up their stamina consumption because everyone in the isle assumes the small dinosaur is weak because it is small and is not special to play

[woeful latch]

doesn’t matter what people will or will not know

i’m telling you how it will be in the game

everyone knows how dilo works, everyone knows how cera works,troodon is not exception

[vivid mason]

look heres what i want

• Charge pounces
• Increase all venom stage durations significantly, and let them gradually go down instead of instantly stage 3 > stage 0
• increase stamina consumption by 3x
• buff weight to 75kg or so
• cannot get thrown off by being scraped against trees/foliage

troodon is suffering atm, even kissen said so

[woven bane]

i forgot to clarify, all stages of venom will have a level of stamina drain.
for example stage 1 will be 1.5x, stage 2 will be 2x you get it.

it will simply make you more cautious and prevents you from stalling the venom or booking it. it wouldn’t make troodon necessarily op as you can fight them stationary, omni has a similar thing but is overall a much bigger threat. with your suggestion stalling it will still be possible, troodon has a small pounce hitbox and can’t hit you from all angles, dodging them and using terrain or anything to buy some time will still be an effective way to counter it.

[woeful latch]

that’s too much, i would rather want them to not waste stam on successful pounce. stamina consumption x3 is insane, its too much. and trees should be really good strat against the troodons, trees are good

[woeful latch]

again, but how that will fix the issue, i will simply run away after the first pounce

[woven bane]

it won’t with increased stam consumption

[vivid mason]

and yknow what? smart troodons would learn if players run at the first sight of a pack if they know theyll run out of stam and die, and hunt as literally shown in the concept art AND release vids

they trick the prey into thinking theres only one troodon or so, the prey will pretty much ALWAYS underestimate a single troodon, and they can slowly switch troodons till the prey is stage 3, quickly dogpile and kill them.

[woeful latch]

not to mention troodons will just run around trolling people with that, even tho i agree that’s funny

[woven bane]

no?

[vivid mason]

how though

[faint tapir]

trolling people's stam drain

[vivid mason]

you'd be risking your life though

[woeful latch]

look, i agree that troodon needs buffs, but not a lot of them, you want too much, its like when you see someone mention pachy being in a bad state in balance feedback and then suggest some crazy stuff like changing its weight to 700 and speed to 50.

like we get it, troodon is having hard time, doesn’t mean we should make it op by giving million buffs, we already have a playable with million buffs in the game and no one likes that

[woeful latch]

this is the most sane thing, everything else is just unnecessary and won’t be good for the game

[vivid mason]

it isnt too much though??

its still oneshot and suffers horribly in jungles and from desync

[woeful latch]

one shot or not that doesn’t matter, it also grows in 30 minutes

it shouldn’t matter at all

[vivid mason]

troodon is literally MEANT to hunt in jungles, where it can hide from its prey and see them better than the prey can see them, but no jungles are the worst thing that could happen to a troodon because the tiny creature can get brushed off by a tree as if its a 450kg raptor

[woven bane]

50 minutes* and it can’t even use its main mechanic untill its sub adult

[vivid mason]

actually its 45-1hr on average

[carmine lotus]

cheaters making my bile randomly fill up and threw up, happeend 3 times untill ran into them in na west2 in west rails and killed me from far away.

[faint tapir]

thats the agreement u sign when choosing troodon. it can punch up more than anything else and it can one shot die the silliest deaths. Isnt that the appeal of troodon?

[vivid mason]

yeah (whos side are u on im confused LMAO)

[woven bane]

yes but rn you’re risking it all for no reward. because its easy to counter

[faint tapir]

why pick a side, not everything is black white

[woeful latch]

with all that ai around and being on your diet it’s pretty easy to grow it, like i grow tenos in hour and half, troodons are super fast to grow

[faint tapir]

theres shades inbetween

[vivid mason]

have you ever tried to kill that ai tho? its really difficult and takes like 5-10 minutes

[woeful latch]

funny how we both want buffs for troodon, but we argue over different kind of buffs xd

at least we do realize it needs buffs

[faint tapir]

u are risking it all for that one clip of killing something so many times larger than you that cant be replicated by anything else in the game. and you did in a no-hit run basically. Thats the appeal

[woeful latch]

alright, fair, i only played in troodon packs with the adult troodons in group, solo is probably awful

[woven bane]

ai? troodons take 20 minutes each to kill ai becaue their biteforce is so low and some like boars aren’t even killable for it

[woeful latch]

.

[woven bane]

alright cool then herbivores need a nerf🤷‍♂️ they can easily grow and therefore shouldn’t be so strong

[vivid mason]

if teno gets another nerf make it semi aquatic

[woeful latch]

well, anyways, i still want this + my ground fog idea #general-feedback-discussion message

[woeful latch]

OH NO NOT ANOTHER ONE LMAO

[faint tapir]

if troodon is 2 times more viable, i will be 2 times less impressed by troodon clips. And what else matters to troodon players other than impressing others with their big prey kill clips?
You know it, i know it, everybody knows it.

[woeful latch]

i agree lol, infinite food is meh, tho i understand why they did this. herbivores are always minority, if there was less food you won’t see 2:1 anymore you will see 4:1

with carnivores absolutely dominating

[woeful latch]

@vivid mason also check out my fog idea

[vivid mason]

i dont really want anything visual for troodon

[woven bane]

carnivores are all fodders rn except for cerato

[woeful latch]

tbf i’m having easy time running around the map and killing ceras as a carno, but i mostly agree with cera being a lot stronger than the rest of the carnivore roster, tho everyone has their own abilities

and i don’t expect allo or rex fix the herbivore issue xd, they will remain minority

[woven bane]

yea some just need to be nerfed to balance it out

[tame jetty]

#general-feedback message @night obsidian here you've an example of one of my previous posts, where Filipe reacts to my post, and also I've heard from other people (when the dev react to the messages, the message goes into a own discord secret to the devs so they look at it/take this up discussion when time in for it)
[Note this is was told from a normal person, so take with a grind of salt or something 🤷] but if true, very nice.

But I also, want devs or staff or something to address the suggestions more actively and bring them up in polls or 'channel where devs show they talk about it' or something
But it's nice when Dev react to the messages, and it's been a while since I saw a marker too in the general feedback now.

[latent olive]

the reaction the devs do is for something they might have an interest in

why would they react to a general feedback post saying “add more servers pls” when that’s something they intend on doing at some point anyway

[junior nymph]

so true or like increase player slots

[latent olive]

I’ve had devs react to at least 4 of my general feedback posts in the past

one suggestion even made it into the game

if the devs had to respond to every “add servers” or “more AI pls” post in a specific channel all you’d see is

yeah we’re working on it 👍

yeah we’re working on it 👍

yeah we’re working on it 👍

[junior nymph]

@gusty thunder in what way

[gusty thunder]

I dont find any AI food

[latent olive]

less AI

[junior nymph]

are you new to the game?

[gusty thunder]

2 weeks

[junior nymph]

IMO less AI would be better each session I see WAY too much ai as in like 1hr =50-70

but then again I got 2K hours so

[gusty thunder]

idk, ive died three times now with cera because of starvation. I go throught patrol zones and all that and there is no AI food

I just use smell system, patrol and migraton zones to find food, but it doesnt work very well for me

[vital laurel]

they don't need to react to all of them, but if there is a high number of request a statement on the topic where ppl can find it would be kind of nice you know

you who is closing on 8 years on the server will have a way better undersetting than a new player who just sees a sea of requests and feedbacks and unless they are lucky enough to see a recent dev msg or reaction cant really see how devs interact with the feedbacks

[alpine oak]

Uh question, I was on EU official server, playing a Utah, I'm full grown and walking thru the tunnel into highlands. Nothing in sight, no noise, no attacks, no trees, but I just randomly fell over deceased from apparently nothing... any clue what happened?? Hacker? Bug?

[desert arch]

Herrera probably

They like to ambush people in that tunnel

[junior pasture]

If you sneeze on a troodon they die, theres not a way they can be overbuffed if they can die in one hit. Troodons are strong in a group atm, but lets be honest you wont be in a group big enoigh to kill things especially woth strangers who dont know how to properlly play. Im not sure exactly what needs to happen but pouncing needs work

[woeful latch]

i mean, sounds like player issue, not playable. and “it can’t be over buffed if it’s one shot is not true at all”

i got my own set of buffs i want for troodon, if it’s underperforming right now, doesn’t mean we should give it million buffs, let’s not make it demigod like cera is, or the dilo is