general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr based and ankypilled

[lapis swallow]

Can we delete ptp pretty please

[limber hull]

nuh uh raptor needs it (underpowered)

[lapis swallow]

Oh yeah, I forgor

Also, raptor can be a damager AND a bleeder now after the pounce changes

Which is fun

But please devs, delete grapple

[barren zephyr]

@vital laurel why all this if simply just bring back random spawns?

[vital laurel]

bc they are better

[barren zephyr]

Well of course random spawns are better but I disagree with making it more complicated with speciation spawn rates and decreasing that specific spawn that can be chosen simply because a lot of people spawned there.

[vital laurel]

it will help spread players out and make sure there isnt a big blob at one spawn point if ppl stick around there for some reason or a lot of adults are there and camping

and spawn zones need to be based around sancs bc otherwise they will be used even less

[barren zephyr]

Well in the long run it contradicts the future migration zone rework where I believe @limber hull said the devs have said there will be a big migration zone in one place where a huge amount of player interaction will occur.

[limber hull]

that is one of them, yes

dont use me as a source, devs are far more reliable lol

[barren zephyr]

nah I know I remember you talking about it

[vital laurel]

sancs and MZs are two different things, or wdym

[barren zephyr]

“It will help spread players out” is what I’m replying too

[vital laurel]

MZs are meant to be a way to spread players out at different points or one larger point, instead of how its been for most of evrima with everyone at center or North or north east or south plains

and if devs see it as a clash then you can ignore the high player pop during mega MZs

[barren zephyr]

Okay but I’m still not seeing how it warrants a more complex system

[vital laurel]

better player spread so for example if a lot of players stick around at south plains MZ the new spawns wont get killed by them in super high numbers and just in the long run create one super populated that just sucks being spawned at as mega hotspots just turn into deathmatch, along with if a bunch of players try to grief a sanc then players will not spawn as much there if it becomes overpopulated with griefers

[barren zephyr]

i think the devs are doing a great job 😀

[supple cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/starman-superman-super-man-theres-a-starman-there-gif-11906140510431067153

[cursive orchid]

Like time-outing me and deleting my message because i have send criticism? It was respectful and kind formulated but it seems some Devs have no interest in a good Community-Developer Relationship (Like Lucky) -,-
I just wanted to help this Game, get that of a great Game it diserves to be, because it has that big potential... but some Devs obviously don't share the same view...

[icy lion]

No, it was for breaking rule 1, as previously explained to you

Additionally, your post consisted mostly of advertising videos

[barren zephyr]

me? What i do?

[cursive orchid]

How else can I get your attention? I wanted to help the game because this game has actually been my dream game since childhood. But there are some problems in this game which can be fixed easily. To do this, the core issues need to be addressed, but by working around them and not on the main problem, the issues will never stop. You would have known that if you had at least read this message, but I bet you immediately labeled it as a troll message and deleted it.
And that's the problem. You can bring out new Dinos, bring out the Allo, bring out the Rex for all I care, but it won't change anything. Because the main problem will always remain.
But who am I? I'm not a dev, so I don't know anything, right?

These videos are not advertising! You would know that if you had read my message... These videos perfectly described the problem and even gave adequate suggestions for solutions. I have sent these videos so that I can present you with the concerns of all players in full comprehensibility. And so you dont have to read an endless message.

You could at least have asked me to remove the ping. Deleting the message was excessive.

[cursive orchid]

You have done nothing wrong

[icy lion]

Use #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 to report bugs you find, use #general-feedback to share feedback, and be sure to read and follow #rules-and-info before doing either

[cursive orchid]

That's what I mean! I provide a justification and you just push the topic away.. me way! why?! If you were truly interested in a healthy community-developer relationship, you would have responded to my reply and not just pushed me off!

[icy lion]

I am not a developer

[cursive orchid]

Then Discord-Manager. It doesnt matter. You know my point

And even now.. you still not responding.. it makes me sad..

[tall hearth]

Bro chill. It was a deleted comment.

[cursive orchid]

You have no idea of the situation, so stay out of it

[tall hearth]

[cursive orchid]

you lack the whole context so you can't judge

[barren zephyr]

we shouldnt send hate to the devs. Theyre doing their best to give us a hyper realistic game

[vital laurel]

I have a good option for how the devs might get your feedback, you dont break any rules and hope devs read the feedback, you are not special and if everyone who wanted to help the devs pinged them they would still be picking what dinos to start evrima off with lol

[vital laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[cursive orchid]

I report back disappointment because I am pushed away and deliberately not listened to. Read the whole conversation. He always avoided me and never discussed what was going on. If you are interested in the players and what they have to say then you have an open ear

[cursive orchid]

No need to be a ah

[vital laurel]

the discrod mods dont have anything to do with the progress of the game

[tall hearth]

You tagged a dev, breaking rule 1 in #rules-and-info . Not much context needed there.

Just follow the rules, use the correct avenues to report bugs and, when giving criticism and feedback, use the feedback channels for that.

We all wanna help the game, and the best way of doing that is by following and using the ways given to us without breaking the rules. The devs do infact look in here and see the feedback on a regular basis. When posting a bug in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 ,it goes to QA and the devs so they can test out whatever bug you're reporting. They will see it.

[cursive orchid]

I said what i tryed.. you are judging without context. You cant judge when you dont know whats going on -,-

[vital laurel]

im being direct

[cursive orchid]

Why are you guys attacking me? I made nothing wrong, i just adress, that i dont want to get pushed away or getting ignored.. and you defend this?! wtf?

[tall hearth]

We aren't attacking you. We are trying to help

[cursive orchid]

This is not direct, this is a ah-move

[tall hearth]

You don't go in the library smacking pots and pans together when you go to ask for help finding a book

[vital laurel]

that wasnt directet at you, and he is wrong, isle isnt hyper realistic at all

[cursive orchid]

How are you trying to help? You attacking me and judging me without fully knowing whats going on

[tall hearth]

The library had rules, you'd follow them there. The discord has rules, you follow them here

[tall hearth]

I haven't judged you at all.

[cursive orchid]

I wasnt doing this -,-

[cursive orchid]

Dude.. read you messages..

[tall hearth]

If you haven't seen rule 1, here.

[cursive orchid]

This is not the point im speaking of...

[barren zephyr]

i broke this rule, but kissen gave me a pass bc im new at this and dont know much

[cursive orchid]

I already know that, the admin and devs said it enought times and you now too

[tall hearth]

The devs and staff are usually pretty lenient on first time rule breaks. At most a deleted comment, depending on severity of course.

[tall hearth]

Just retype whatever you had, but don't ping the devs this time.

[vital laurel]

you pinged the devs is what the mod is saying, imagine if several thousand ppl called you if you were building a house any time they got a good idea how you should build it and most of them disagreeing with each other, you'd never get anything done, that's why you cant ping the devs and why your msg was deleted, if you post your idea in general feedback which the devs read from time to time, if its popular enough devs usually note it, you can also ask them what they think if you see them in the discord

[cursive orchid]

And still thats not the point. I Broke a rule, i know. But this is no excuse to irgnore, disrespect and push me away, while ignoring me

[vital laurel]

you can just repost the idea lol

[cursive orchid]

Man.. stop arguring with that, how often do i have to say that this is not the damn point?!

[vital laurel]

you arent making any points idk what to tell you lol

[cursive orchid]

They wont read it or delete it again because it has "advertising"

[cursive orchid]

Im writing my point all the time.. you just not listening!

[tall hearth]

We are not ignoring you. We are not disrespecting you. We are not pushing you away.

We are talking to you and we want you to add your feedback without breaking rules.
We are not disrespecting you. We have not made any ill comments or made fun of you. At most I said chill, saying to calm down.
We are not pushing you away. If you have valid feedback or bug reports, we want you to post those. We encourage it.

[vital laurel]

if you link to your own youtube vid youd need to do that via this https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401693816777867265 as i understand it

[cursive orchid]

With that i mean the team of the isle -,-

[cursive orchid]

That arent my videos

[tall hearth]

Lunary hasn't done any of that either

[vital laurel]

lucky isnt a dev btw

[cursive orchid]

Why would any dev look into this channel for feedback?!

[tall hearth]

Because they'd want feedback

[radiant nest]

The devs do in fact look into the feedback channels

[cursive orchid]

Cool.. i know already

[north quiver]

pretty sure punch looks in feedback pretty often

[radiant nest]

You don’t need to ping them to do so

[cursive orchid]

But why then they have feedback?

[tall hearth]

He responds to people in here as well. You can search his message history in this channel and see even

[vital laurel]

https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120 they read this channel at times, you can see they react to some posts at times

[cursive orchid]

Thats still not my point.. This konversation is pointless.. you said you wanna help but you just blaming me... if the admins and even the palyers are blaming me for helping i´ll give up...

[tall hearth]

#general-feedback is for suggesting ideas. #general-feedback-discussion is for discussing those ideas, and the devs do look through both channels.

[vital laurel]

note that in the post, but if its a video on youtube it will be spread a lot anyways and will reach a way bigger audience than the couple hundred in the feedback channels

[cyan flame]

What was the post even about?

[north quiver]

what was your feedback, if you don’t mind me asking? you mentioned a video, and I don’t think it’d be considered advertising depending on the context. plenty of videos have been posted before as reference for the main suggestion in the feedback channels

[tall hearth]

Idk what video you posted, but if you had shortened it down to just the part you want to talk about instead of posting an entire video, it likely could have been kept up. Several seconds to a few minutes is generally all that's needed to get your feedback across. But when it's an entire yt video meant for views and interactions that's hard to pinpoint what you're trying to leave feedback on, then it's viewed more so as advertising which isn't in the same vein.

[barren zephyr]

you do reslize the devs go through painful ammounts of work to do what they need to do. The ammount of detail in a pterodactylus model alone is insane. They go through slot, so they can ingore you. Oh, and the ones taking your posts down, are discord mods, not devs

[limber hull]

nah, devs lazy (forget the fact that beipi alone has 200+ animations lol)

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/starman-superman-super-man-theres-a-starman-there-gif-11906140510431067153

[barren zephyr]

What was your original feedback?

Well they left the server I guess

[tall hearth]

LOL

What a dude. When we're actively trying to help, he thinks we're attacking him

[radiant nest]

Average redditor

[vital laurel]

@royal jetty what??

[royal jetty]

what did I say?

[vital laurel]

this

what does that even mean lol

[icy lion]

That channel is meant to share suggestions, not questions. You can edit the post you sent to turn it into a suggestion if you'd like, but otherwise I'll need to remove it

[lapis swallow]

Did you get a new cat?

[royal jetty]

ah sorry well you can delete the message please

[icy lion]

Nah this one's actually older, but I moved into a small apartment so the grey cat is with my mom now

[tight iron]

ive always been curious

what does pagan they-spawn mean?

[icy lion]

She wasn't my pfp since she's not as photogenic (don't tell her I said that)

[icy lion]

It's a joke-insult one of my friends used for me LOL

I thought it was funny so I kept it in there

[tight iron]

oh

makes sense

[lapis swallow]

@ Lunarys cat your owner called you less photogenic

[sterile raven]

How am i supposed to maintain a perfect diet as a diablo? horned melon only spawns at swamp as far as im aware, which is the only source of dots food i can eat

[icy lion]

@hearty sphinx That's intentional

[hearty sphinx]

Why is this the case?

[icy lion]

For balance. The devs don't want dinos to be too powerful

[hearty sphinx]

I see

[boreal vessel]

@hearty sphinx

I believe theyre actively working on mutations and other genetics for future generations!! Alot of coo lthings coming

[maiden anvil]

@clear thorn that's a fair point

[subtle wigeon]

thoughts? #general-feedback message

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message
I dont remember them saying this

[unique mirage]

so the free spots are for elder mutations?

[icy lion]

The 4th one might be

[karmic bison]

You expect too much of the poor incompetent devs

[clear thorn]

Wait what did I say lol

[maiden anvil]

The feedback you replied to

[clear thorn]

Dang I lost it

[maiden anvil]

lol

[tall hearth]

If they're incompetent why are they employed

[lapis swallow]

@reef lance its like a no rule server. so that is allowed

Also IP banning, dayumm

this man is seething and malding

[reef lance]

Why a growing indie game would cater to the worst of its fanbase I'll never understand

[waxen moss]

the Enlarged Meniscus mutation is kinda cool for herreras tbh. Jump from mountains take like no damage

[desert arch]

@vivid mason its hp, not weight. 120kg would be bonkers.

But by all means YES PLS

[vivid mason]

Hp is weight though?

[desert arch]

They made an exception for troodon, this is why it wasnt noticed for so long

[vivid mason]

Oh

Ty lol

[desert arch]

Np🥔❤️

Ty for spreading the word

[vivid mason]

Fr troodon needs it

[limpid breach]

How much hp does troodon have now?

[desert arch]

60

[limpid breach]

Ah

[boreal briar]

@uneven pond the big, and therefore strongest jumps ,will knock the herra down when they land.

[desert arch]

Terrible quality, but explains everything

[boreal briar]

Because not IP banning people for not breaking any rules is "catering to the worst of the fanbase"

[indigo surge]

Whats so bad in my suggestion ;< #general-feedback message

[uneven pond]

that’s more of a mess up animation that hinders the herrera, i was suggesting something that’s like a super-hero-landing type of thing

[limpid breach]

Yeah troodon does feel abit weak health wise

[late sparrow]

Hey guys does the salt water mutation work on official servers?

[limpid breach]

Like ik it’s tiny but still, as fully grown it should not get 2 shot by Herrera

[boreal briar]

Ah I getcha. I don't really like that idea though, it's almost guaranteed death if they don't kill with 1 shot.

I like the strong shot with a slow recovery and the quicker ones without much recovery

[uneven pond]

exactly. it’s a reward-risk type of thing. considering herreras lunge rivals deinos bite, there should be no reason to have a half second “miss animation” which btw isn’t even that bad.

[uneven pond]

the strong shot doesn’t even have a recovery.

[boreal briar]

I think it'd be pretty brutal having a pause after every pounce.

And yes there is a recocery. When you jump off of high heights you will fall over, even after successfully landing an attack. Which is where the high risk high reward is that you want, no?

If they miss the attack, they're basically dead. Even if they do land it, if the opponent is alive, they have an alright chance of killing you.

But if you land it, it does insane damage

[uneven pond]

you’re missing the idea. if you HIT the pounce, you don’t have a recovery time because you can make the excuse of the prey breaking your fall. but if you MISS your pounce from a HIGH place then you should have that half second animation. also, that little thing you’re talking about your herrera falling over, you don’t even need to be THAT HIGH to do significant damage. you can still do insane damage without having to be high enough to fall over

you can be high enough to kill an omni without it making you fall over.

[uneven pond]

@whole orbit that’s definitely a cool idea that i’d like to see happen alongside its recovery time.

[whole orbit]

Alongside WHAT

[uneven pond]

nothing

[whole orbit]

[whole orbit]

#balance-feedback message

[uneven pond]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-stare-gif-26112627

[whole furnace]

The trade off isn’t good, and can be worked around. Let me give an example:

3 friends all spawn in and choose the Lone Wolf mutation and all have the same skins (so they are “grouped”). They hop in a discord call to communicate. Now you have 3 dinos who are stronger than everyone else without the mutation and can pretty much go uncontested unless there are other groups doing the same.

[cyan flame]

@cinder haven Carno can still stun, it's not gone. You just need to run in the charge stance for a few seconds.

Granted, teno can "cancel" it, or could, with tailslam, and diablo may have some protection on it's front/in sparring stance (not sure, think it's meant to have). But for other playables, you're good to go to hunt them

[cinder haven]

I've never come across that second, it's very unlikely.

[cinder haven]

Accept that carno is weak right now. It's like there's no stun speciality. When was the last time you played carno?

[cinder haven]

free admin sw test ethics is already talking for 3-5 seconds and it is very difficult to hold or there is no direct I have never come across

[cyan flame]

Come across what? Not sure what you mean there

[cinder haven]

carno doesn't stun, that's what I mean.

we can test it, you and I, if you want.

[cyan flame]

Oh I agree carno isn't good at doing what it's supposed to do, it currently suffers from an "identity crisis", and will be getting a rework.

[cinder haven]

I hope

[cyan flame]

Well, last I heard you can knockdown/stun, you just need to run for a longer time while charging to get it.

[cinder haven]

Trust me, there is no such thing already 5 sec mine stays in that bozisyoda

[cyan flame]

Maybe they removed it entirely, but I honestly doubt that. It just requires too long in charge run to be worth it or to hit most things. But I've not tested lately, so it could have changed.

Just don't see a reason they'd do that, unless they don't want the charge to do knockdown or stun at all

But if so, I imagine the rework will give carno something else

Or have it play differently with charge

[cinder haven]

right in the meantime, the video has a lot of stun attempts and none of them work, that is, it is completely removed, it also does not do damage, it gives very little damage 150 kg diablo 3 times I hit

[cyan flame]

Well, diablo is tough, so that makes some sense, it has 3K health

Or wait, you hit a tiny dibble?

If so, that might be an issue with dibbles face being a bit too tanky from what I've heard

[cinder haven]

I don't have a problem with diablo

[long trellis]

I personally can't judge dinos being strong. I understand Dibble is a menace to everyone and anyone but truthfully it isn't what Carnos, Omnis (against a herd), and Ceras are meant to be fighting. Dibble is short but so dense it is meant to be Allo food but there isn't an Allo yet. With the cast of playables so small all of the needed dinos for the gaps can't be filled. I also believe each new playable is busted on first release. Carno was apex for how many patches? Cera murdered everything with buggy vomit sickness and charge bite. And Dibble is a mini powerhouse on wheels. Even Maia will most likely be so strong just because of how big it is. This cycle of busted dinos is going to continue till we have enough low, mid, large, sub apex, and apex dinos in. With a lot of dinosaurs getting special abilities everything will find a spot.

[barren crater]

It’s still in

Carno can still deal knockdowns

[cinder haven]

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say, but carno can't stun anything.

[cyan flame]

So I didn't watch all of it, but from the first charges. You need to run in charge mode, for a few seconds. Not just run and then charge.

You seemed to only trigger the charge when you were close, which would not be enough time for the stun to trigger

I'll go watch the rest, but that at least explains the first charges

[barren crater]

It can. Hold your charge for a few seconds.

[cinder haven]

Let's test it and see if you're telling the truth.

[cinder haven]

Suppose it is true that it is not so easy to keep these 5 seconds, and it ends immediately after that time.

If you don't believe me, come to me and we'll test it, no problem.

[cyan flame]

Please do. I can't help out, don't got the game updated currently, but you can just find random person on a testing server probably and have them stand still while you test the charge.

[cinder haven]

OK, just for you, I'll go in now and test it with the same friend, and if it works, I'll write to you.

I'll be right there

[unkempt geyser]

well...

How can you comment if you haven't played the game? @cyan flame

[cyan flame]

Because I know how it worked last I did play, I've just not updated from the last HT, but it worked like this since a good while back.

And since you, in the video, did not run in charge mode for 5+ seconds or what it takes, I might be on to something after all

[unkempt geyser]

Very different from the carno in the last update

Well Erik, what happens if we can't get to the 5th second? Even if there is such a feature, it would be ridiculous.

[cinder haven]

OK, I tested it and yes it works but it is very long and very difficult to hold, so they can do it for 5 seconds, 2 or 3 seconds, or it may be related to the second against larger animals, and I apologise that I did not notice this because I was used to the old carno.

[cyan flame]

What do you mean, if you can't charge for 5+ seconds and hit the target, then you won't get the stun. I'm not saying it's a good feature, I am saying it's how it works.

[cyan flame]

I agree, I think the time is too excessive as well.

And I'm not arguing with you over if carno is good or bad, I agree it's not what it should be. I just wanted to clarify how the stun/knockdown currently works, so you can use carno properly.

[cinder haven]

but it's very difficult to hold the vala, so it's very, very unlikely in the real game, no one will stand straight while carno onakoşoşarken

[unkempt geyser]

You're right Eric

[cyan flame]

I agree, it's excessive and the stam drain while charging isn't fun to deal with. But it is what it is. You can stun, it's just more limited, and not relly worth it.

[cinder haven]

beautiful and video would be very nice if you tick

[cyan flame]

I'd recommend using the charge only for the damage against smaller stuff, might be worth it there if you don't need the stun

[icy lion]

@fluid bloom What do you mean?

[barren zephyr]

I was going to reply this is not Fortnite lol

[fluid bloom]

similar to rust, max group size is three for every dino

[limber hull]

why lol

[fluid bloom]

some people want to experience the game in a solo environment, makes it more competitive i feel like, dont have to run into groups of 5+ mix packing etc

[limber hull]

in a solo server people would still mixpack?

[icy lion]

Could always find an unofficial that enforces group limits

[fluid bloom]

even though it would be against the rules? i see rust has official servers with max cap at trio and its really easy to enforce especially if you only have 1-2 servers for it

[limber hull]

officials have been stated to always be ruleless, and if you really wanted that, why would you want solos/duos/trios over just regular group limits

like that kinda just screws over pack animals like omni, troodon or galli

[barren zephyr]

not to be that guy but galli is a flock/herd 🤓

[fluid bloom]

im not saying change every server to solo/duo/trio i think if they added 1 or 2 it would be cool to see how that environment is compared to no team limit

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/broly-dbz-dbs-goku-dragon-ball-z-gif-12851822

[indigo gulch]

How to kill pack animals speedrun

[fluid bloom]

is groups of 5 or more diablos not killing it?

[vale pawn]

Ah yes 3 troodons

[whole furnace]

Me and my 2 homies out here ooowahing

[indigo gulch]

That’s why dino specific group limits exist. 3 for every dino is overkill and unnecessary

[fluid bloom]

you understand people go over these limits regularly?

i am currently in a diablo group with like 20 people

[indigo gulch]

By forming multiple groups. Which your 3 group size limit doesn’t change

[whole furnace]

Ah so you are part of the problem lol

[fluid bloom]

yes but if you enforce that on the trio servers then it does change

[indigo gulch]

No, you’re in multiple groups.

[fluid bloom]

so you understand there is a problem, but are against solving it?

[indigo gulch]

Does it? How so? How does forcing all dinos to make groups of 3 solve the issues of specific dinos grouping too much?

[fluid bloom]

??

[whole furnace]

The solution is the group limit, and the solution to overpacking past the group limit is starvation mechanics. Not limiting every dino to trios cause I’m sorry but that just doesn’t work

[vale pawn]

3 hypsis

[fluid bloom]

if you added these types of servers i can guarantee most people would play solo, with the occasional duo/trio

[indigo gulch]

Your suggestion “limit every dino to 3 in a group” is unnecessary because not every species forms such massive groups

[vale pawn]

3 gallis

[fluid bloom]

yes so not every species would need to be in a trio, they would play solo

[whole furnace]

3 dryos

[indigo gulch]

So why would you force it on dinosaurs that arent the problem

[vale pawn]

3 beipis

[indigo gulch]

That’s not what we are saying. You’re misinterpreting it.

[whole furnace]

3 PTs

[vale pawn]

3 omnis

[whole furnace]

Tbf 3 omnis could do some damage if they’re good enough

[fluid bloom]

yes so it comes down to skill

[indigo gulch]

Does remove the pack from pack hunter tho

[fluid bloom]

i think thats why you guys dont like my ideas

you cant play solo so you resort to masspacking

[indigo gulch]

[fluid bloom]

im just saying it makes it unfair for solo players

[vale pawn]

Im running out of dinos that would be ridiculous with a max 3 group limit

[whole furnace]

I mean 3 is a pack, but yeah it’s absurd cause most people aren’t that good

[fluid bloom]

so what happens when apexs get added and they masspack?

[indigo gulch]

“You’re against my idea THEREFORE you must do it yourself or have no skill”

[fluid bloom]

im just saying at some point you have to understand that in a limited number of 100 people on a map, playing with 20 people at a time is a little ridiculous

[indigo gulch]

What is this, black or white and grey doesn’t exist?

[whole furnace]

I play on Zooming so this isn’t an issue for me lol

[uneven pond]

deino.

[vale pawn]

3 troodons

[whole furnace]

It wouldn’t be an issue if people adhered to the group limit. ahem which there are community servers for!!

[fluid bloom]

i dont remember the last time i saw a troodon pack

[indigo gulch]

And we are saying that the suggestion “limit EVERY dino to 3 group max” is not realistic when 1. All dinos are different with different strengths. 2. Not all dinos are a problem in a huge group. And 3. Why are you nerfing ALL dinos when only ONE group is the problem

[fluid bloom]

yea but what if i wanted an official server!

[whole furnace]

Okay but why

[uneven pond]

^

[fluid bloom]

sure but then adding a server where every dino has a specific min/max would be a nightmare

trio is just much simpler and i dont think it would be as big of a deal as you guys are making it out to be

[whole furnace]

Why do you NEED an official server when community servers do the job?

[indigo gulch]

I can’t keep repeating the same thing over and over without you looking past that

[fluid bloom]

because people want to play official servers! i dont want to play a server that has these kinds of rules AND other things like free growth etc

[indigo gulch]

But it IS. Because then you ruin other dinos.

[fluid bloom]

sure for that specific server maybe, but you dont HAVE to play it

im not asking to shift every server to trio, maybe add 1 and see how it plays out for people who want to play solo

[cyan flame]

Then you might need to get enough other people that share your sentiment and have a server of your own

[whole furnace]

Not all community servers have free grows. Check out Tyrannical Simmo’s server (I forget what it’s called, Isla something) it is semi realism so you won’t see megapacking OR mixpacking

[indigo gulch]

Imagine for a second. Football fans ruin the mood and governments decide audience is not allowed at ANY sport. Would that make sense?

[vale pawn]

If people want to play solo they can just not group with people

[fluid bloom]

thats exactly why im saying make 1 server

you dont have to play it if you dont want

im not saying trio is above all and should be enforced everywhere

[cyan flame]

Also not sure I see why you'd only have 2-3 in a group for every playable, unless you plan to rebalance everything

[fluid bloom]

i guarantee it wouldnt be as bad as you guys are saying

[vale pawn]

Max 3 hypsis

[cyan flame]

On top of that, not being in a group does not mean you can't just... play alongside someone else anyway

[indigo gulch]

You DO realize that some dinosaurs would then be infinitely weaker right?

[fluid bloom]

yes

[whole furnace]

I feel like a trios server would be a waste of the Devs and Admins time. That’s why community servers exist, so you can play how YOU want

[fluid bloom]

but you DO realize masspacking is infintelty stronger than solo?

[indigo gulch]

So you get more groups of people playing the same dino…..

[fluid bloom]

What if you wanted to play solo

do you understand some people want to do that

[vale pawn]

Then just dont group with others

[whole furnace]

Then play solo

[indigo gulch]

Making a group limit of 3 isnt going to fix the problem

[vale pawn]

Your not obliged to accept their invites

[indigo gulch]

You’ll just get more groups

[fluid bloom]

yes, but when you need food and the only people are in a pack of 20 what are you supposed to do

[vale pawn]

Just go in there

[fluid bloom]

???

spend 3 hours growing a dino to die to 20 people

that makes no sense to me tbh

[whole furnace]

Either go to a different spot or deal ig

[fluid bloom]

ig

[vale pawn]

Assuming their not cannis, i doubt theyll notice if some rando comes in for food since they have a ton of people without nametags anyways

[whole furnace]

Again check this out

[fluid bloom]

i will, but nothing wrong with asking for a solo/duo/trio

[whole furnace]

It might be just what you’re looking for :)

[fluid bloom]

maybe some other people like my idea

[limber hull]

@cloud rampart troodon weighs more than ptera, and ptera physically can't do that

[whole furnace]

It’s much easier to play solo when people adhere to group limits tbh

[fluid bloom]

yes thats why im asking for a server that adheres to group limits

[whole furnace]

I just gave you one

[fluid bloom]

ok, i can still ask btw

[whole furnace]

And it is enforced by admins on that server

Ofc ofc, I’m just lettin you know

[fluid bloom]

ty

[whole furnace]

Godspeed friend, hope you like the server ^^

[fluid bloom]

ill give it a try if i die to a masspack

[indigo gulch]

(Which is multiple groups of the group size limit)

[fluid bloom]

yes i understand that thank you for making it clear!

[indigo gulch]

(I do hate masspacks myself tho, just want to clarify. Also apologies if I came over as agressive)

[vale pawn]

3 troidoins

[indigo gulch]

Benji. Istg

[fluid bloom]

let me ask you, would 12 troodons be able to take on 20 diablos?

would 12 troodons even be able to take on 2 diablos

[desert arch]

This made me giggle

[whole furnace]

Found it! It’s called Ibis Isle. Had to find Simmo’s channel again lol

[fluid bloom]

how many players are on it?

[vale pawn]

Is ibis still active

[whole furnace]

Last I checked it was full

[fluid bloom]

well the only reason im asking for an official is because it would be full 24/7

i understand unofficials but the community is way stronger on officials

[whole furnace]

That’s fair, you’d like Player’s server then it’s always full. I forget what his server is called

[fluid bloom]

ive been on it before, I do think gateway with 150+ people is a little bit laggy tho

[vocal cobalt]

I nedd help

[urban tinsel]

hey guys sorry to interupt but i just got back into the isle and cant find the official servers. what version do i use? evrima or something else?

[vocal cobalt]

I am in rocks

[whole furnace]

Zooming has 180 people and it’s absurd at times haha

[vocal cobalt]

And i dont go

I need a comand

[whole furnace]

Yes evrima, do you know how to switch?

[vocal cobalt]

To move

[urban tinsel]

its just the beta switch thing on steam correct?

[whole furnace]

Yep ^^

[urban tinsel]

okay thank you. I thought it was updated to that new island but i guess not

or is evrima the new one?

[whole furnace]

Evrima is the new one yes! It’s got a new map called Gateway

[desert arch]

Type /unstuck in chat

[urban tinsel]

ah gateway thats what it was.

are servers down?

[fluid bloom]

they are up rn

[urban tinsel]

im 88 in queue

[radiant nest]

@sinful compass I agree with lowering diablos weight back to 2 tons, but carno should still not be hunting it or ramming it very well

Also, the devs do read this stuff, I know that at least one of my suggestions was added into the game

[sinful compass]

Ok thanks I hope the Dibble weight at least gets looked at

[barren zephyr]

Now I’m curious which one?

[cyan flame]

They'd have to resize the model to change weight I think. And the devs might want it to be this big. And well, it used to be as well, so there's that.

[radiant nest]

#general-feedback message

[icy lion]

"How will I get the devs to read and appreciate my feedback? I know! I'll lie and say they never read any!"

Bit weird ngl

[sinful compass]

.....that's a pretty good point

Should I go back and edit

[barren zephyr]

Is that an in game screenshot or irl 😭

[radiant nest]

lol

[icy lion]

Probably should

[radiant nest]

Ingame lol

The fog is quite nice

[icy lion]

Given that I'm asked to remove misinformation and that channel's got a 6hr cooldown period

[radiant nest]

Hopefully weather can be fixed soon

[sinful compass]

Changed it

Do the devs watch videos criticizing the game and videos to try and videos of people helping them better the game for everyone?

[radiant nest]

Dunno, probably at least one dev watches some of em

Punch probably watches some of the more reputable and respectful people

[sinful compass]

Reputable as in reputation?

[cyan flame]

I'd imagine they might, or have someone from QA do, but keep in mind "better the game" is very subjective.

[sinful compass]

That's true not everyone sees eye to eye especially don

[radiant nest]

As in like the ones that generally have good info and thoughtful insight

[sinful compass]

Interesting

[radiant nest]

Can’t say any of this for sure tho

Just somewhat likely

[sinful compass]

Yeah we don't know half of what goes on behind the scenes

[radiant nest]

But the devs do generally keep an eye on what the community wants, but frequently ignores it either cause the community is wanting something suboptimal or cause theres an even better thing they have in store

[icy lion]

@river compass Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[sinful compass]

Or they have something different in mind

[radiant nest]

@summer hatch a ui rework has been confirmed, so any feedback on current ui isn’t as likely to be implemented simply on the basis of “well the whole things gonna be changed relatively soon anyway”

[radiant nest]

Yep

[river compass]

thanks

[sinful compass]

I feel like every time carnotaurus is mentioned in suggestion to balance it better or in passing talk about balance the entire discord goes rabid like people love it people hate it people just want it to scale better with all the other playables like yeah

[limber hull]

as far as i know, it's staying 3 tons. Dondi made that pre clear lol

(also yea carno should really not have dibble on its diet idk why that's there)

carno ain't at all designed for it

[sinful compass]

Bru

Where

[wooden agate]

just switch it over to cerato diet honestly

[barren crater]

It's fine. Juvi diablos exist and are a good source of protein

[sinful compass]

Where did dondi say that and why

[limber hull]

i dont have it on standby brother give me time to actually find it lol

[wooden agate]

#isle-discussion message

[wooden agate]

too late noob, i got it first

[limber hull]

thank you

[sinful compass]

Common dondi L

So that means my suggestion means nothing

[cyan flame]

Well, the devs have their own ideas for how things are going to be, that's always been the case

[limber hull]

also why do you want it to take on stegos lol, that's the one thing that needs changing most

stego is now even worse off because this one animal makes it useless lol

[cyan flame]

Much as I would wish stego would be a proper stego, it's not going to happen (most likely) and will remain so until server settings/mods. Might be the same for those who wish for a smaller diablo, no matter the reason. Or for omni to only have grapple as finisher, or whatever else someone might want changed.

[sinful compass]

There is so many holes in my suggestion

[wooden agate]

swiss suggestion

[limber hull]

i mean

at least dondi acknowledged the fact that the rex matchup shouldn't be "stego dies and doesn't come back"

[sinful compass]

I feel bad as all my suggestion did was waste everyone's time

[cyan flame]

That is nice to hear, but honestly, the rex/stego matchup is probably one of my least concerns, since even if stego can handle that it won't make it better or more fun overall. But it's something, and I'm happy he agrees it shouldn't be a matter of "well, guess I die now".

[cyan flame]

Why? Suggestions are there for people to see and have opinions on, not only for devs. With server settings and mods, you might find a server down the line that has the balance like that because someone saw the suggestion and went "yeah, that works for me".

[radiant nest]

Nah no worries, it brought some discussion in and you learned some stuff

Also, if people didn’t want their time wasted, they would have simply not gotten involved

[sinful compass]

Yeah

[radiant nest]

So by definition, no one’s time was actually wasted

[sinful compass]

Still wish the Stam system was changed back to the way it was tho

[cyan flame]

Besides, you also got the explanation as to why dibble is that large, and why it most likely will not change.

So, nothing wasted, only gained!

[sinful compass]

Anyways goodnight appreciate the information

[radiant nest]

I don’t, cause this way lets you properly tire out your opponents over long amounts of time, increasing the ability to play well and win due to skill rather than stats alone

[sinful compass]

Yeah but everyone can have there own opinions

[radiant nest]

Oh yeah fair enough

Just my take on it

[sinful compass]

[hexed rain]

Minmi on top

[limber hull]

so true

[limber hull]

the moment dryo gets burrowing ALL stations should be set to minmi (absolutely legendary beast)

[hexed rain]

Fr

[limber hull]

and on the topic of "cute and lovable", while in uni and writing up my thesis about The Isle, I showed my lecturer an image of the minmi and he INSTANTLY fell in love with it lmao

absolutely would be a goto for people who want a cute animal lol

[icy lion]

Minmi is just the perfect playable, there's no debate about it

[limber hull]

It's also an excellent testing bed for so many other mechanics

Armour? Check
Burrowing? Yup
Aquatic vegetation? Yea
Venom resist? Has that too

[hexed rain]

There are truly no negatives. It's the best worst playable ever

[limber hull]

how is it worst its awesome

[urban flax]

because it will make every other playable extinct

People will play only minmi, they will install the game and only pick minmi, and they'll leave a negative review because there's only minmis and it makes the game boring

[hexed rain]

Exactly

[vale pawn]

Minmi is #1 ALWAYS

ALWAYS MINI

[narrow field]

#general-feedback message
cera does very well against diablo atm. raptor doesnt do too bad either, and while massive herds of diablos are common, especially in migration zones, it's also common to run into solo or duo diablos. i've played many a cera or raptor and have killed even more diablos, and you dont need a massive pack to help usually

[bleak bison]

Probably because of sub Rex allo and alberto

[bronze nymph]

@soft dirge Exactly what i am thinking. It should be bigger then ptera but smaller then quetz. Maybe there should be fruits on the trees which also can fall down so non climb/fly animals can eat the fruits.

[indigo surge]

Okay makes sense..

[indigo surge]

What would you suggest to balance it? Maybe some bad effect when theyre around other dinos with that mutation?

[whole furnace]

I would say not to directly increase the stats of the solo, but give them playstyle benefits that can give them an upper hand. Maybe something like when solo they fill up on food/water faster, gain nutrients faster, or perhaps recover stam/health at a slightly faster rate when not grouped NOR around other players!

So basically anything that doesn’t directly give players an upper hand against someone without the mutation, but if used well it can greatly increase chances of survival. Hope that helps! :)

[hidden mist]

@tame jetty saw your recent suggestion about family trees. I made one too a while ago, would like you to see it x) #general-feedback message.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

Dude blocked me for some reason (despite actively going out of his way to downvote every feedback i make)

But stat mutation bad

[long trellis]

We can't forget that we have low and mid tiers right now? with apexes and much better dinosaurs around the corner 3 tons will QUICKLY become nothing

[lapis swallow]

That is high level of pettiness

[iron relic]

3 tons is the double of the IRL creature. I dont mind that but being that heavy and also being agile as it is. If it gonna be that heavy the agility/speed should be nerfed.

[tame jetty]

I saw it now, looks absolutely awesome! I hope you post it again sometime later, so devs make sure to see it. Would be absolutely amazing.

I'd like to see a reward like explained in my suggestion too with nesting though, because I see right now. Wayy too little positive side vs negative side, of nesting. And people really don't do it.. so need more positives than the hard work and negatives.

But absolutely love your edit picture idea and that stuff, very nice layed out

[barren crater]

There's nothing agile about diablo outside of the drift. If you gut the drift, then that animal would genuinely suck lol

[limber hull]

drift is necessary for its viability lol

[royal glen]

drift?>

that sidestepping?

[tame jetty]

Yes. It need drift otherwise y dead meat

[limber hull]

if sprinting, it can turn around extremely fast

[royal glen]

ah, so that's what happened

[limber hull]

it does a full akira slide lol

[royal glen]

Had a bit of a quality time with a Diablo, as a Carno

[limber hull]

oh, carno is not built to take it

[royal glen]

I noticed. Just some trial by error.

[limber hull]

yea, try to stay away from things that outsize you playing carno lol

[royal glen]

Lmao, it wasn't fully grown while I was. So did win, but took time and a lot of health.

[long trellis]

isn't a lot of isle's desgins changed a lot?

[iron relic]

@limber hull Dunno I kinda new to the game XP

[lean breach]

Hi i just wanna ask something, I normally play on New beginnings, but the server has just dissapierd, like discord is gone and my game cannot find the server either. Was it caused by something that happened in general in the isle or its more like the server quit?

[unique mirage]

new server

new dawn or something like that

[lean breach]

oh, thank you. and you propably dont know how I can the discord link? ,:D

[unique mirage]

no it was announced with the link but since that is in the old dc and i didnt join the new one i cant provide it

[lean breach]

alright, thx tho

[royal glen]

Played since 2016, V1, V2, V3, Legacy, Evrima. Yeah it changed quite a bit.

[long trellis]

I just think dinos will take turns being busted or overpowered mostly because of the small cast. Just like when it was only stego, croc, omni, teno, and carno it was a broken puzzle barely held together. Each update would swing the power balance so insanely. Cera was busted on release. Carno was busted for bit. Dibble is very busted but I don't think Cera and Carno will be going after them diet wise later.

[soft dirge]

My thoughts were going down this path too, although I think even a smaller tapejarid could work too, maybe helping with not getting stuck in the trees. Just how cool would it be to see a flock of pterosaurs gliding and climbing through the canopy in search of fruit and nuts, while trying to evade Herrerasaurus?

[barren zephyr]

@unique ridge Stamina management? It’s quite literally realistic in the way it’s implemented. Before the stamina changes there was barely any stamina management you could easily sit for like 1 minute and renter the fight, which is unrealistic. Secondly, you can run endlessly with barely any consequences whatsoever, another unrealistic dynamic animals don’t take 1 minute to rest and all of sudden their full of energy again. Thirdly, sit somewhere decently far from the right I mean? I’m guessing you were close to the fight is how you got killed when you were resting.

[unreal gate]

anyone know if coming to a complete stop at the top of water while holding "moveup" as a deino was intended or a new glitch?

[whole orbit]

@gleaming socket #general-feedback message I mean if you get ambushed and don’t learn from your mistakes that’s on you. Herreras needs their one shot, their ability is strictly ambush meaning that you can’t use your pounce again, they also don’t have the capabilities to follow up after an successful pounce. Considering how many conditions have to be met it’s more than fair that it’s so rewarding.

[unique ridge]

its a game bro either way its not gonna be realistic like everyone wants just give me back my raptor before this stupid update its a game. idc what the hardcore sweats that live in mommy's basement want. the stam is crap and you lit can do a thing its either attack and stam is gone instantly or i spend 5 minutes laying down IF and i mean IF after 3 pounces i have the stam to get away then the hunt is basically over or they find me cause stam takes way to long to regenerate and i die and i was playing community where stuff was sped up I cant even imagine offical oh wait i can tried that to it was dog ....

[royal glen]

Stam in and of itself is fine imo when it comes to Carno, Although I would say that charge stam cost is a bit too high. Essentially it isn't quite worth it to use charge unless you count on surprising another player. Since juking left and right by target creatures is more than enough to prevent a succesful strike from Carno in charge.

But yeah. Came back to Evrima after another year hiatus. Gonna reinstall "spiro" now if that's legacy. Because I'm well over playing on Evrima rn. Back to allo.

[unique ridge]

they at least could do is make a mutation that allows raptor to spend less stam while pounce or it drains slower but for now im not wasting my time with this game they even ruined the croc for me.

[barren zephyr]

How’d they ruin deino?

[barren zephyr]

Yes, I do agree carno charge is pretty bad rn, one of the main reasons I believe it’s dirt, which is why dondi is giving it a rework to further collide with its small game hunting niche.

[unique ridge]

baby deinos stam while useing boost to get away drains you super fast and the minute you get into juvi 3 to 4 boosts and stam gone

[barren zephyr]

I mean… yeah it’s a boost it’s not meant to be an endless supply, you’re going to run out eventually

And if you’re spamming it well, I wouldn’t be expecting to survive lol from whatever other deino is chasing you

[unique ridge]

didint say it needed to be endless but when im small and the only thing i have is my speed to escape i need that

[royal glen]

It's bewildering to me to see so many details being worked on when core animals of the game aren't back in yet, like Rex, Trike, Allo, Shaunt. Coming from a player who spent 650 hours in V1/2/3, not being able to play as either of those. It's wild.

[barren zephyr]

You’re already pretty fast as a hatchling just dodge and maneuver whatever is chasing you and resort to the boost as a final tactic

[unique ridge]

also bewilders me on players who quote thats unrealistic or that is unrealistic when we have no actually in visual form seeing a Dino how they walk or what prey they ate oh ya cause its not 60m years ago and we will never know the full information on dinos and also its a game go outside touch grass is you want reality

[barren zephyr]

Tbf just because they are teased doesn’t really mean their next up for evrima, look at troodon it got teased rather consistently but came out around 2 years from its teases

[barren zephyr]

Fun fact, we can infer how they would’ve functioned today via birds, crazy concept.

[tall hearth]

Well, they don't want to release massively unfinished animals. And they can't work on all 65 playables at once either.

[unique ridge]

and even that is data that will never be complete unless you went back in time and physically studied a dino there is only so much we can learn from bone and areas they come from we can make guess's at best but will never know 100% what they did and what ALL they ate

[royal glen]

Kinda my feeling that they shouldn't go for 65 playables as it is right now.

[tall hearth]

The playables don't matter if the mechanics aren't set up either. That's part of why legacy was so busted. They couldn't add new features to any existing animals, or else good bye to working code. Which is part of what happened.

[barren zephyr]

Well I mean obviously, but inference is still a thing, and I still stand by my point you weren’t managing your stamina well

[royal glen]

Hindsight is 20/20 for sure. Despite that I would've gone with Legacy being The Isle 1, Evrima being The Isle 2.

[unique ridge]

done with the discord boot lickers today vallcry have a nice day. other dude needs go outside or something idk i got better crap to do than argue with this nerd.

[royal glen]

Aight good day

[tall hearth]

That's pretty much what it is already, except "the isle 2" is free

[tall hearth]

Thanks for being nice and civil!

[royal glen]

Lmao, was thinking about that today. They could've made a ton more money releasing a new game and it would've been fine with the audience too I wager

I wouldn't have mind paying for The Isle 2

[wraith turret]

hey I also posted asking about New Beginnigns. by any chance did you get their new server link? I am looking for it as well.

[tall hearth]

If the goal was making money, yeah. But the goal seems to be to make a fun game that players will like. (And to fix the mistakes that happened in the first ofc)

[barren zephyr]

Have a nice day! (I’m outside at the beach rn lmao)

[royal glen]

I think my thought process is more along the line of, more money = more devs = better game faster

[lean breach]

¨no sadly i didnt 😦

[royal glen]

Wait, they deleted the Legacy game from the Beta section, didn't they..

Ay that's a shame.

[wraith turret]

the other person said something about new dawn maybe they have a server up in game for that imma check becuase if they do the link would be there

[lean breach]

i tried to find it, but no success. If you gonna have better luck, please let me know T-T

[wraith turret]

Will do.

[wraith turret]

@lean breach

I found it

https://discord.gg/pwsRQeBU

[lean breach]

omg you are the best! <

[limber hull]

wuh oh

[wraith turret]

yeah

[wraith turret]

I will try to get in contact with feistymercy because I was a Donator on NewBeginnings

[lean breach]

alrigth

[tall hearth]

Nah, it's still there. Sadly. The branch switch hasn't happened yet. The devs said they'd give players plenty of time and warning before doing so

[tall hearth]

They are hiring, and they've been hiring for a few years now. I doubt it's cause they can't find more devs, it's more so they need to find devs who can work well with the team and who can understand programming well. One of the devs they had on the team when they had been working on legacy kinda donked up the code, and dipped afterwards. That's another reason why legacy was also an unworkable mess.

They've hired a few new animators in the last several months, so people are of course applying.

We and they likely do not want another legacy spaghetti code fiasco, so the vetting process for hiring programmers is probably pretty thorough.

[unreal gate]

so no one's going to touch on this?

[vital laurel]

@tawny pendant https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NyLrGYZbpic?feature=share sum like this xD?

[royal glen]

Ah Deathlyrage iirc. Yeah that was a right shitshow.

[tight iron]

@tame jetty coming

99.99% sure it is

[unique mirage]

i dont get people downvoting suggestions that want reduced growth times. like do they not have a life? Im fine with apexes being 4+ hours but everything else we have rn should be no longer than 2 with the smallest taking half an hour.

[barren zephyr]

Something I also don’t get is why you had to say “because people downvoted a lowered growth time suggestion” you question if they don’t have a life

[tame jetty]

Is it????

[limber hull]

2 hours for diablo? seems a lil fast

[tame jetty]

I've heard nothing of them adding Pachyrinosaurus, But are they?? :o

[limber hull]

its on the roster

[tame jetty]

OH DAMN

how great! so happy now

[unique mirage]

because we are used to insanely high growth times

if apexes are 4 or more i feel dibble is ok at 2

[tame jetty]

can i find the roster list in discord here?

[unique mirage]

maybe 2.5

[limber hull]

idk, seems reasonable to expect dibble to be longer than 2 hours

[tame jetty]

i agree

[limber hull]

also seems reasonable for apexes to be longer than 5 hours to me, anyways

[barren zephyr]

Now it’s going to be harder to grow one lol

[limber hull]

they're apexes

but tbf, i dont see juvi/sub as a "barrier to entry to wait through" in order to get to adult

i play from juvi to adult and generally have fun with it, so I don't really notice the "growing pains", so to speak

like, if a diablo is 2 hours, troodon has to be something absurd

like, i think growing should at least feel like growing on animals lol

[vital laurel]

@zenith cosmos , evrima is playable on boosteroid

[icy lion]

@ornate spade Send /unstuck in the game chat

[ornate spade]

does that work?

[icy lion]

It's the unstuck command

There's certain situations where it doesn't work well, but for the most part it works

[ornate spade]

how did i not know this

how long has that been a thing?

[icy lion]

A few months

[ornate spade]

wow sweet thanks for that 👍

[barren zephyr]

@brittle merlin wdym the punishment should be the health of your Dino? So if you’re on low stamina you loose health or something?

“When my dinosaur is resting I often do something else, it breaks the immersion” isn’t the result of the new stamina system, that’s something that’s always happened even prior,

“Stamina management is something we’ve been doing before gateway” well yeah but i am of the opinion there wasn’t a “realistic” consequence after running 3 laps with little to no breaks

[tame jetty]

agreed @fading shadow

[gleaming socket]

@whole orbit They can jump from 50 feet away. They can hold onto the side of things for so long, including rocksides. And they absolutely can use their pounce again. There’s no cooldown or stun if they miss and there’s no time to react before they can scamper up again. Nobody can constantly see every tree top or rockside within 50 feet. And speaking from personal experience, if they find a nest, they’ll kill anyone near it and it can’t be punished. Because guess what? Pounce 50 feet, insta-kill, climb back up within 1 sec and you can’t be touched. There should at least be some way of kicking/headbutting trees to shake a Herrera loose.

I learned my lesson after the first ambush but with the second death, I was drinking water a good bit away from any trees or anywhere else you can climb and they still reached me. The range of their jump is insane.

An ambush predator should have their tricks but c’mon. Every other non-scavenger can be detected and punished if they mess up. But a Herrera? At best, they lose a meal but there’s virtually no danger because they aren’t stunned for even a half second from missing their target and hitting the ground at 100mph from 50 feet diagonally across. They can just scamper away and they’re fast enough to do just that.

I enjoy the idea behind it but every dino needs a form of counter play. You can buck off raptors or knock them off with trees or by submerging yourself. You can catch carnos after they mess up a charge. But with a Herrera? The only “counter play” is if they accidentally fall off from their perch 100 feet up.

[barren zephyr]

Disagree.

[gleaming socket]

How do you counter a Herrera then?

You can’t punish them. They can teach you from 50 feet away.

In a multiplayer vs environment, every playable needs a weakness to exploit.

[barren zephyr]

If they miss a pounce, and as you said they are 50ft away, you can actually bite back if you play it well

I’ve done it before

and bait them too,

[gleaming socket]

Here’s the issue there. The ping’s been subpar recently so if they miss, you don’t even see them until they’re already 20 feet away.

[desert arch]

Ping or lag shouldnt be taken into consideration when were talking about balance though.

[gleaming socket]

And with places like the ravine, it’s just a killing zone.

[barren zephyr]

Therefore wouldn’t it be a ping problem ^

[gleaming socket]

No, but 50 feet? And no stun.

[desert arch]

Its not the fault of the playable that the servers are laggy

[gleaming socket]

If you hit the ground fast from 30 feet up and 50 feet away, wouldn’t you be stunned for half a second?

Is it really unreasonable to ask for that?

If you hit your target, they cushion you and you’re good to go. But if you slam into the ground, you’re jarred for a split second.

[barren zephyr]

I wouldn’t mind a slight stun, and a ground speed nerf

But I disagree with you saying you can’t counter a Herrera

[gleaming socket]

It’s possible but extremely dangerous if you know it’s there.

Had one in the ravine yesterday. It killed one of ours while they were on their nest, then scampered back up instantly.

Then we tried to wait it out but then it just jumped from 50 feet and insta-killed another.

And just stayed on the wall for several minutes.

In a place like that, the only counter is if the herrera themself is inaccurate.

Outside of places like that, it’s more doable.

[gleaming socket]

But honestly, I’d agree with this. If they just made it so if they get baited out and mess up their pounce they’re stunned briefly, I think that’d be fair.

Because in places like ravines, they feel practically invincible no matter if they mess up.

[unreal gate]

???????????

not gonna bother submitting a bug report until others reply to this

[solid belfry]

Why am I getting 30 fps on a 4070ti this update? I was getting 80-110 before a few months ago

[unreal gate]

delete your config file

[desert arch]

if you mean holding space then yeah, thats probably been intended. Its been a thing since I started playing evrima

[solid belfry]

I'll give it a try

[unreal gate]

absolutely not, this is a very new thing

[desert arch]

dunno then🤷‍♂️

[brittle merlin]

No. I mean if you don't manage well you would get vulnerable to danger and other players. Like always was and still is. That that should be the main consequence for reckless

[brittle merlin]

I should remove this part, people may misunderstand

[whole orbit]

How would that be fair, omnis can spam pounce with little to no punishment. And the stun would just be a death sentence if anything.

[whole orbit]

They have to be in the right place at the right time and sometimes things are out of range and there’s nothing you can do.
Unlike omnis or carnos who can chase down their prey and use their ability.
Once again nest camping isn’t just a herrera problem. A carno for example can keep its distance with its fast speed and snatch the hatchling and run away before taking serious damadge.
Herreras can’t also use their ability once the element of suprise is gone, you can bait them and position yourself so that they’ll fall right into your attack, there is nothing the Herrera can do about that since they can’t turn in the air.
If you struggle with THAT baiting tactic that’s honestly a skill issue. No need for the Herrera to be completely immobile just for you to be able to hit them.
“If Herrera misses a pounce at best they’ll lose a meal” that isn’t always the case. Depending on how far you’ve jumped, making it back in to the tree without taking any serious damadge could be difficult. Carnos can just charge right thru them and omnis can pin them.
“Every playable have some sort of counterplay” again your wrong, Herrera isn’t like omni or carno it’s similar to deino who also doesn’t have any counterplay once grabbed.
Omnis and carnos are strong enough to keep attacking and pursuing while Herreras needs it’s one shot. It’s too fragile to brawl and it’s got weak attacks.

Another thing is. The chances of a herrera being right above you is very low. And the chances of the Herrera hitting you from a tree while your moving around is even lower. You’re making it sound like herreras are everywhere, just look up at spots where you’ll most likely find them. I haven’t died to them once so I honestly think that it depends on the players awareness

[whole orbit]

Herreras weakness is it’s fast hunger and water drain, they’ll often come to the ground where they have to eat or drink and that could result in their death. They’re extremely vulnerable on the ground.

[tame jetty]

@misty sable agreed, or atleast, dont make nesting such a hard ass requirment. And put more nutritions everywhere on map, not just migration zones. Because, damit. Nobody nests :( and its understandable

[sleek prism]

We got any news on when/if Dryo is getting burrowing on evrima? Seems like a really fun mechanic

[tight iron]

tbh he means counterplay as able to be detected

herreras are literally invisible most of the times so

[whole orbit]

Bait them. Act like your opening up the corpse while keeping an eye up

That’s how I avoid them

[tight iron]

i mean yeah but

they are literally invisible most of the times

[whole orbit]

When they jump they aren’t tho

[tight iron]

yeah but that's when they jump

if you're keeping an eye up you're obviously scanning for them

[whole orbit]

Ye that’s when you dodge it

[tight iron]

not if you had no way of knowing he was there

eveything has counterplay excepting herreras

not when the attack has happened but before it happens

[tight iron]

honestly hold on

cause if you go to the middle of the plains there aint herreras

[whole orbit]

Yea which is why I suggested you to bait them

[gleaming socket]

Omnis can still be easily caught if they mess up a pounce. Herreras can spring back onto a tree or wall within a heartbeat.

[tight iron]

(sound clues, etc)

raptors will literally fall off a cliff if they miss a pounce

hear me out it's the most hilarious thing ever

but still they just fall off a cliff

the main issue with herreras is that they're tree deinos that you can't see or hear

[whole orbit]

Omnis got more than enough HP to tank a hit and they can outrun or outurn the whole roster

[gleaming socket]

Out of range? I’ve seen one hit a raptor from across the ravine (width, not length).

[gleaming socket]

Not enough to tank a Herrera’s from a small tree.

[whole orbit]

That’s just a lie

They can’t do that

[gleaming socket]

Width, not length. And no, it ain’t.

[whole orbit]

Like over the river u mean

[gleaming socket]

No, one of the wider parts.

My friend was watching it from across the width and it somehow still got him.

Full grown raptor, 1.5hrs wasted because it could jump from there and insta-kill.

Like it or not, Herreras ARE practically impossible to catch in places like ravines or even just forested places. Miss or land a jump, they can scamper back up in a split second and can stay up there for several minutes. Not lying on a branch but holding onto the side of a ravine.

[whole orbit]

Herreras range isn’t that far. For example if you’re on the rock at mud pool you won’t be able to reach things beyond it

[whole orbit]

So he knew that the Herrera was there? Lol he deserved that death if I’m being honest

Why wouldn’t he just move

[gleaming socket]

He was trying to stalk it until it came down?

Like you just said to do with their “low hunger and thirst”.

[whole orbit]

Stalk a herrera in the tree

[gleaming socket]

He was across the ravine.

[whole orbit]

.

[gleaming socket]

He was watching it but from like 40-50 feet away.

[whole orbit]

Herreras can’t jump that far again

[gleaming socket]

I don’t know what to tell you but he really was that far. The Herrera was real high up so maybe that’s in the equation but still.

The Herrera just hung there for like 5 minutes, somehow not draining stamina while holding onto the side of rough stone, then did that.

[whole orbit]

Was the Herrera on a branch by any chance

[gleaming socket]

No.

[earnest geyser]

Ptera needs the Photosynethic Regen perk, increased stamnia during daylight

[gleaming socket]

It was holding onto the side.

[tight iron]

ptera needs the best stam in the game

not a mutation to let it do something that it should have by standard

[whole orbit]

Herreras shouldn’t be draining their stamina while clinged on☠️ they’re really stiff in trees so you gotta be ready and in position

[gleaming socket]

I have no idea how a Herrera is supposed to hold onto solid rock for five minutes with its claws and still have the stamina to pounce, then clamber back up for another 3 minutes.

[gleaming socket]

On stone walls? Yes, they should.

[tight iron]

3 minutes more like 40 minutes

[gleaming socket]

They shouldn’t lose stamina when lying down on a branch.

[whole orbit]

No they shouldn’t. Why rocks specifically also

[gleaming socket]

But if you’re holding on to the side of something, that’s tiring.

[gleaming socket]

Really? You can dig your claws into bark a lot easier than solid stone.

[misty sable]

Exactly

[earnest geyser]

But they already don't regen stamnia when they're up there. It's a trade-off

[whole orbit]

That would butcher its playstyle. It’s all about being in the right place at the right time.

[gleaming socket]

Yeah, right time. Which can be for as long as they want.

Because they don’t have to rest.

They are PLENTY of spots in ravines and trees they could lie down on when they could regenerate stamina.

And keep watch.

So that they could get back into position in time.

[whole orbit]

Mate this game isn’t supposed to be 100% realism. Dilos hallucinations can do damadge and there is a made up dino in the roster lol. Mutations are the cherry on top

[gleaming socket]

It’s still supposed to be relatively fair.

[whole orbit]

Herreras are unagile in trees they can’t get into position quickly enough

[gleaming socket]

There’s nothing fair about a solo Herrera being able to pick off an entire pack of raptors with little to no risk.

[whole orbit]

Herreras are balanced. All you gotta do is be aware and look up

[tight iron]

um

good sir as i said you cant see herreras almost all th etime

[gleaming socket]

Yes, let me look up 24/7 everywhere I go.

[whole orbit]

A pack of raptor is just a lie, maybe one or two if they’re dumb but yea.

[gleaming socket]

Where they often blend into the surroundings.

[gleaming socket]

There were six of us.

[tight iron]

if you have a 1 tap ability it should not be a "aim jump go back on the tree"

[gleaming socket]

It would just jump down, insta-kill someone, then clamber away.

[whole orbit]

Your just being ignorant here. Look up when your in herrera frequent places or suspicious food sources

[tight iron]

specially since they are everywhere 💀

[whole orbit]

Considering how hard it is. It’s more than fair

[gleaming socket]

Do you know how many places have trees, cliffs, or somewhere they can perch.

[tight iron]

im sorry but it is not hard at all

played herrera a bunch of weeks ago

[whole orbit]

I’d like to see u landing a pounce from max height on a target running around

[gleaming socket]

Around almost every water source, there’s almost nowhere without a nearby tree.

[tight iron]

it is so easy it is boring as heck

[whole orbit]

[tight iron]

literally spawn get your diet get up a tree afk grow and when you're done you can 1 tap a lotta things

[gleaming socket]

You still haven’t replied to this @whole orbit.

[whole orbit]

U forgot to mention that it takes almost almost as long as a pachy to grow and u can’t afk till adult stage

[whole orbit]

Yea I will wait

[tight iron]

wdym u cant afk till adult stage

[gleaming socket]

Because you don’t have a good defense for that one?

[tight iron]

and yes it takes almost as long as a pachy to grow what bout it

[whole orbit]

“When you’re done you can one tap alot of stuff”

[tight iron]

a ptera can get grabbed by a fresh spawn deino and it takes 1h 10 mins

[tight iron]

yes

u afk grow till adult or big sub

[whole orbit]

By the time ur food is low you’ll be like 90 kgs or 45% growth

[tight iron]

how low are we talking about

[gleaming socket]

So you come back once or twice to grab a bite and drink?

[tight iron]

cause me personally im afk growing till it's at like 10%

[gleaming socket]

You can still stay safely tucked away 97% of the time, out of reach of anything but pteras and other Herreras. And no Ptera with a brain would mess with a grown Herrera.

[whole orbit]

It’s a massive risk considering that it’s slower than a dibble during sub stages. If someone spots you it’s ggs

[tight iron]

you have to have risk

[gleaming socket]

If you’re in the plains, sure.

[whole orbit]

The water will be kinda low so yea

[tight iron]

like you have to

[gleaming socket]

Most of the island’s riddled with trees and cliffs.

[tight iron]

everything has massive risks excepting ptera and herrera

[gleaming socket]

It really ain’t that risky unless you’re going somewhere it ain’t made for.

[tight iron]

when not going down to drink or eat

[whole orbit]

Nope even when you have a tree maybe a couple of meters away

28 kmh is painful

[gleaming socket]

Stay aware of your surroundings? A couple meters away, that’s still like two seconds.

[earnest geyser]

Ptera has massive risks all the time

[whole orbit]

Mate I’ve died less as an omni than with a herrera believe it or not

[gleaming socket]

If you have two brain cells, you can keep watch and clamber up with plenty of time to spare.

[tight iron]

i indeed cant believe it

[whole orbit]

Nah again. They’re slow asf

[tight iron]

ive played ptera a lot, i always die when i want to die

[gleaming socket]

Yeah, no. A full grown raptor ain’t even twice that fast.

[whole orbit]

How? I can just press shift + W to escape most things and with carnos or dilos I use something called zigzagging

[tight iron]

mainly cause like almost all your play time is herrera

[whole orbit]

Lmao

[tight iron]

cause like you can press right click and ur safe

few weeks ago i played herrera and im telling you it is the easiest and most boring thing ive ever played

[gleaming socket]

If you are paying attention, there’s a great chance you can just clamber up with time to spare.

[whole orbit]

Yea but they can’t tank a hit. Also carnos are very effective against herreras

[tight iron]

it doesnt even make sense

dont get hit ngl

sorry it's not very descriptive but

[whole orbit]

If you are paying attention you can avoid Herreras

[tight iron]

just... dont get hit

you can climb anything you want and the entire map is forests and walls besides a few places so

[whole orbit]

Have u ever gotten hit

[tight iron]

very few times

[gleaming socket]

Nice repetition. In like 90% of the map, there’s a million and one places Herreras can hide. And if they are smart with their colors, they blend in well. As most creatures, you need to also pay attention to the ground for other predators or prey.

I can’t be looking up 24/7 at any tree or rock relatively nearby.

[tight iron]

also you cant be in the plains for long

so you're dragged into herrera territory

[tight iron]

try it you'll have 17 pachies and 300 carnos on your ass

[gleaming socket]

Also, there’s several dinos that can’t take a hit lmao.

[whole orbit]

Nice way of using a 000.1% chance situation. You’re not gonna get jumped in some random tree in the forest. Just know where to look and don’t fall for the most obvious of baits☠️ skill issue I’ve never died to a herrera

[gleaming socket]

Omnis are stickmen.

[tight iron]

you literally only play herrera

ofc you havent died to a herrera

cause you are the herrera

[gleaming socket]

They will hang from any tree or cliff near water.

[whole orbit]

No I play other stuff as of recently. I’ve done a decent amount of galli and cerato

And haven’t gotten jumped

[tight iron]

how do you expect to die to a herrera as a cera

[gleaming socket]

If you’re playing Cerato, of course you aren’t getting jumped.

They can’t one tap a Cerato.

[tight iron]

as a galli i kinda understand but how are you gonna die as a cera

[whole orbit]

No they won’t hang from any cliff or tree. That’s just ignorant to say. A Herrera isn’t going to climb in some random tree and hope for something to come right under the drop zone.
They use baits such as food sources or they camp certain water sources

[gleaming socket]

I get you enjoy Herrera but it genuinely is so safe if you use two brain cells and so deadly with so little risk.

[gleaming socket]

Yes, yes they will. A Herrera will catch a glimpse of someone and clamber into a random tree in the hopes you’ll come nearby.

I’ve died once to that kind of thing and avoided it a few other times.

[whole orbit]

Not die but I haven’t got jumped in general

[tight iron]

you dont get jumped often

[gleaming socket]

They will go in any random tree if there’s a heartbeat within 100 meters.

[tight iron]

when you get jumped tho it sucks in astronomical proportions

[gleaming socket]

Well yeah. Nobody will jump a grown Cerato as a Herrera.

That’s just suicidal.

[tight iron]

cause it is the cheapest and easiest kill you can basically get

and im excluding juvies for obvious reasons

[whole orbit]

Okay so basically the Herrera climbs a tree near a player and 99% of the time the prey often comes right under the drop zone. Got it lmfaoo

[gleaming socket]

Yep. Even if you’re cautious and just try to grab a drink, now it ain’t just crocs. You might just get pounced by a Herrera.

And unlike crocs, Herreras are like the same size as Omnis but can still one hit them.

[tight iron]

pretty much

[gleaming socket]

No, not all of the time? But they’ll try it regardless.

[tight iron]

feels bad to die that way

[cyan flame]

Safe, yes, more than most though there are better options. Dangerous, sure, but not that deadly really. You can only kill up to what, dilos on your own reliably. And teamwork is not that easy to pull off.

[whole orbit]

I love how your contradicting yourself here. Didn’t you say that jumping on things has no a risk? You said that they could simply climb back lmfao.
But now it’s a “death sentence” got it

[gleaming socket]

So? For anything you can kill, it’s not really punishable.

Because there’s no stamina drain and there’s no stun.

[tight iron]

he's talking about ceras smh

[cyan flame]

Not sure how that's an issue really?

[gleaming socket]

Kill a raptor, climb up, its friends can don’t anything.

[tight iron]

there's no contradiction there silly person

well tbf you can outrun a cera so

[cyan flame]

You can't really do much about a deino grabbing your friend either

[gleaming socket]

That ain’t the issue.

Crocs take FOREVER to grow and they’re like 10x your size and weight.

[tight iron]

safe spotsssssss

[cyan flame]

There is no issue, that's the thing. Herrera is like deino, treat it the same way.

[gleaming socket]

It makes sense that a small creature can’t do anything.

[tight iron]

pain in the ass to growwwwwwwww

[cyan flame]

Yes, and they can kill way larger things than herrera. Herrera can't really kill that much after all.

[gleaming socket]

It’s a tenth of the size. It should not be able to freely pick off a pack of raptors.

[whole orbit]

Mate he said that there wasn’t a risk in missing a jump on a raptor. He then proceeds to kinda backtrack and says that jumping on the slower cerato is risky

[cyan flame]

Why not? Omni is not that large either.

[tight iron]

yeah cause you 1 tap a raptor you dont 1 tap a cera

[gleaming socket]

They’re the same size…

[tight iron]

there is zero risk in jumping a raptor cause he's dead when you touch the ground

[cyan flame]

No, herrera is 175 kg, omni is 450. Omni is larger, but omni isn't a large critter.

[tight iron]

not the same with a cera

[gleaming socket]

So how is it reasonable that a Herrera can just one tap an adult, then scamper back up and be untouchable?

There’s no counter play there.

[cyan flame]

Because it's designed as a one-shot ambush predator, like deino

[gleaming socket]

Hunting is supposed to be risky.

[gleaming socket]

Yeah, it shouldn’t be ambushing packs.

[cyan flame]

It can't run after a target, or fight on the ground, if it does, it will most likely die, even to a troodon or dryo that can put up a fight

[whole orbit]

Yea well in this scenario I miss the Omni and it sees me,
Jumping on the cerato on the other hand is the same thing basically.

[gleaming socket]

No, but it can freely pick off full grown raptors and dilos from big packs.

[tight iron]

i meannnnn if it sees you there is no issue either

[gleaming socket]

And they can’t do jack about it.

[cyan flame]

If the pack just stands there and let it, sure

[gleaming socket]

That’s not really fair or fun.

[tight iron]

the only issue is you might get pinned that's bout it

[tall hearth]

@wary flower put that in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[tight iron]

but just dodge the pounce

[vale pawn]

How are you ever gonna pick off an entire pack

[whole orbit]

No it can’t. Are you telling me that if you see your pack mates getting killed by a herrera your not gonna wanna move out of its drop zone maybe?

[vale pawn]

Once 1 is dead they got all eyes on u

[cyan flame]

But that's like going back to drink after seeing one of you get taken by the deino, and then go "but it can kill the whole pack"

[gleaming socket]

It genuinely happens. We tried nesting somewhere with a nearby cliff and a Herrera just abused it to all hell.

[cyan flame]

If your entire pack gets dropped, one by one, by the same herrera, that is entirely on you

[tall hearth]

W+Shift away from the cliff.

[cyan flame]

Right, so you were in a stationary spot, then move and find another one

[vale pawn]

Well i didnt know nesting was the context so that seems plausible

[whole orbit]

You should’ve left and waited for the Herrera to get bored

[gleaming socket]

It killed the mother, then scurried back up.

[gleaming socket]

How is that fun for anyone?

The Herrera or the raptor.

[tall hearth]

It didn't abuse the cliff. It played to it's advantage

[gleaming socket]

Your only option is to let the other guy get bored?

That’s no fun for anyone.

[tall hearth]

Maybe try to live next time

[cyan flame]

What options do you want then?

[whole orbit]

Yea but this guy is saying that there is no risk in an omni spotting you after you’ve jumped but with a cerato it’s a death sentence. Contradictory

[tight iron]

it's not

[gleaming socket]

Stamina drain if it’s holding onto a wall or surface?

[tight iron]

he's right

[gleaming socket]

You shouldn’t lose stamina if you’re lying on a ledge or branch.

[tall hearth]

Good way to make a playable absolutely horrible

[gleaming socket]

But you would get tired holding onto the side of a tree or cliff.

[gleaming socket]

It can just climb away?

With a cliff, at least.

It can just scale the cliff entirely and scurry off.

[gleaming socket]

It is entirely reasonable that it should need to take rest breaks.

[whole orbit]

The game isn’t always fun. Some experiences are rather bad

[gleaming socket]

Even crocs can’t stay submerged forever.

[cyan flame]

Could work, but not all trees or cliffs have branches/spots to rest on, and you'd probably have to make the climbing movement and jumps faster so the herrera can go from resting spot to ambush spot quickly then

[gleaming socket]

So your preference is to make it worse.

[gleaming socket]

That would genuinely be better.

I would prefer if they were quicker when climbing than never losing stamina.

[tall hearth]

I suggest next time you die to a herrera, pack up and leave. You're upset you stayed near the herrera who wanted to and did kill you

That's like sitting near water, a deino lunges you. You stay by the water, another person gets lunged, and you're mad the croc did it twice when you should have just left. The smarter move.

[whole orbit]

No. I’m just saying that you don’t need to nerf Herrera’s to the ground.

[cyan flame]

I'd be fine with that honestly, make the climbing/sideways movement and all that faster, jump/travel time faster, maybe cheaper stam for the movements/jumps, but in return you can't just hang somewhere, you need a proper resting spot

[gleaming socket]

I’m not saying to nerf them to the ground.

I’m suggesting a reasonable nerf.

Y’all don’t want a stun if the Herrera misses. Y’all don’t want stamina drain from holding onto the side of stuff.

[cyan flame]

Honestly not a bad idea, would make the herrera have both a observersation spot and an attack spot

[gleaming socket]

EXACTLY.

Ambush predators observed, then got in position.

[cyan flame]

As long as the herrera can get from observation to ambush quickly enough, so the target doesn't get away, it should be good

[tall hearth]

Psst

That'd be like suggesting beipi loses stam when latched and stationary onto the river bottom.

[gleaming socket]

You watch for prey, track some heading over, then get in position.

[gleaming socket]

THIS.

[gleaming socket]

It still loses oxygen.

[cyan flame]

Well, it does lose oxygen, does it not? xD

[gleaming socket]

So there’s still a timer.

Same thing with crocs.

[cyan flame]

And to be fair, if the river has a current, you'd lose stamina too

[tall hearth]

Give herrera an timer equivalent to an oxygen one then if you want a similar system.

[whole orbit]

No you aren’t. With the nerf your suggesting 70% of the map is out of bounds. Not only would it make hunting in palms near impossible but other Dino’s can just camp below you untill you run out and fall to your death

[cyan flame]

Which honestly would be interesting, hanging on to the bottom to stay in an area and not get swept away (watch the tiny deino trying to swim against the current to catch you)

[gleaming socket]

Then how would you balance it? Because it really does need a balance.

And a Herrera could plan an escape route.

Huntings supposed to have risk attached.

[whole orbit]

Reduce its movement speed to 43-44 to make it more vulnerable on ground. Other than that it’s good

[gleaming socket]

…A raptor’s movement speed is 48.

[cyan flame]

I honestly don't think not letting herrera hang on forever would be bad, given proper compensation for that (and I do want more of a mobility in tree herrera than outright sit in one spot only like deino)

[whole orbit]

Mate raptors can literally evade any danger without much problem. Why is it a problem when Herrera does it

[tall hearth]

That'd also be similar to having dryo lose oxygen when it's in its burrow so it doesn't hide in there too long. It's silly suggesting a nerf to something when you stood still and died to a playable who's entire kit is build to kill players who stand still

[cyan flame]

Not really, also burrow maintenance might be a thing

[gleaming socket]

That’s a blatant lie. You can easily punish them.

[whole orbit]

Same. But the stamina drain shouldn’t be fast at all

[cyan flame]

No, obviously not. You still need to hang on and prep the ambush and all

[gleaming socket]

Buck them off, knock against a tree or cliff, or go into water. And if they miss, most dinos can two tap them.

[whole orbit]

How? They can outrun 80% of the roster and with dilo + carno it can simply out maneuver them

[cyan flame]

But I do kind of like the idea of having both an observation spot and then a specific attack spot from where to jump at targets

[barren zephyr]

I honestly wouldnt mind a stun if a Herrera drops from a really tall height, don’t get me wrong I’m not a fan of the Herrera nerf stuff, but I can see where people are coming from,

[gleaming socket]

They have bad stamina though.

[whole orbit]

They can simply jump off. Also omnis got more than enough HP to tank a hit or two

[gleaming socket]

They can not indefinitely run away.

[cyan flame]

So, as long as the herrera can A; get from point A to point B quickly, efficiently and quietly, and B, can still wait in ambush position plenty long enough, it could work out

[gleaming socket]

Not true. Get bit by a Cerato or hit by a Diablo.

[whole orbit]

You have enough stamina to make it to the nearest rock. And you can easily lose carnos in the forest

[gleaming socket]

It will hurt a lot.

[whole orbit]

Don’t get bit then

[gleaming socket]

We don’t just stay in forests.

[whole orbit]

Bro what

[gleaming socket]

We can avoid it if we’re skillful and don’t make mistakes.

[whole orbit]

There is always a forest nearby

[gleaming socket]

But most people mess up.

And there’s a lot of room to exploit a mess up.

[whole orbit]

Mate my point was that omnis can easily evade any danger. In this hypothesis your bringing in bucking for god knows what reasons

[tight iron]

46.8

[gleaming socket]

If they’re hunting, they use their pounce.

[tight iron]

49.1 with photosynthetic tissue

[gleaming socket]

Even better. Make Herreras 2 points slower.

[tight iron]

no

[gleaming socket]

That’ll help. Yeah, no.

[tight iron]

yes and no

like easily evade any danger thing

yes because you can either run or dodge

[whole orbit]

Do you remember the time I fought ur carno?

[tight iron]

no because you can still get ambushed by anything or a slidin carno can destroy you

[tight iron]

yes

[whole orbit]

U couldn’t hit me cuz I used this thing called A and D

[tight iron]

and cause i didn't know how to slide properly

i had about 20 hours on carno max

[whole orbit]

Herreras can also get ambushed tho?

[tight iron]

on the ground

[whole orbit]

Ye

[tight iron]

they are on the ground 5 mins per hour

[whole orbit]

Herreras got far faster food and water drain n have to come to the ground quite frequently

[tight iron]

not frequently

[whole orbit]

Kinda

[tight iron]

not at all

[whole orbit]

It’s water drain is atrocious

[gleaming socket]

Y’know there are mutations to help with that lmao.

[tight iron]

it's literally like 5 mins an hour of ground time max

that is not frequently at all 😭

that is no frickin time on the ground being vulnerable

[whole orbit]

Fair enough but when pursuing things on the ground you can easily get hit

[tight iron]

skill issue

you have the easiest life as a herrera

ground time should be at least hell on earth

[gleaming socket]

What are you pursuing? 💀

You said Herreras are ambush predators.

So ambush, don’t chase.

[whole orbit]

Indeed. Same thing with caedes hypothesis. “What If they back and use terrain”

…..

[tight iron]

wut

[whole orbit]

The bleed if you didn’t know

[gleaming socket]

I know about bleed. But if you can one tap dilos and raptors, that’s plenty of food for 175kgs.

[whole orbit]

Here mother

[tight iron]

how does that relate to herreras tho

oh yeah no raptors are one of the easiest things to kill

[whole orbit]

You can’t always one tap dilos tho. High enough trees aren’t everywhere and you’d have to take things like branches, leaves or weather your opponent is running around into account. Which is often the case unfortunately

[whole orbit]

I haven’t died as an omni once

[tight iron]

good raptor

[whole orbit]

Well when I act stupid ye

[tight iron]

then you have died silly

[whole orbit]

But other than that I feel more in control if u get me

[tight iron]

yes

you can use terrain to your advantage

[whole orbit]

Far less than on Herrera

[tight iron]

not even as a necessity just to your advantage

[tight iron]

yeah you have 1.4k hours on herrera

and you have like 1.6k hours overall in the game

[whole orbit]

Btw I did main omnis prior to herreras release

[tight iron]

no frickin wonder you silly

[whole orbit]

LOL

[tight iron]

you started playing a month before herrera released

you absolute goober 😭

no wonder you die more as a herrera than as a raptor if you barely even play raptor 😭

you are addicted to herrera gameplay

[whole orbit]

I didn’t calculate it like that. I usually die 1 hour in as Herrera while I can survive on omni for like 3 hours (yes I got no life ik)

[tight iron]

everyone here has played for over 3 hours

also how do u die 1 hour in as a herrera

[whole orbit]

I play 8 hours a day☠️

[tight iron]

epoitseuapotiuapoit

NEVERMIND

[whole orbit]

Omnis pinning me from 5 miles away

[tight iron]

skill issue

i see i see

use your eyes to avoid them (ez)

[whole orbit]

Omnis are no joke lol. I’d rather deal with a carno

[whole orbit]

I don’t exactly get ambushed by them

[tight iron]

wat