general-feedback-discussion

[urban flax]

That's the point of a hidden channel

[lyric spoke]

I meant the reactions or comments.

[urban flax]

Oh
Well I've talked with Punch in here a few times

[lethal quartz]

better yet, ptero AI should immediately go for herbivores within a certain range of a carcass or fresh kill.

[keen harness]

But again, me in my Juvie cerato gets like 12 shot by them and they are faster than me.

From an abandoned body too…

[lethal quartz]

and screw it, give ptero the ability to temporarily blind herbivores by going for their head/eyes, and make that blindness stack the longer they're within close-range zone of a corpse or downed body.

the blindness could provide a number of advantages for carnivores - perhaps providing them enough time to rip out a chunk of meat or an organ, and in some cases, the opportunity to land a counter attack.

blind duration varies on the age/size/species of herbivore. large herbies like stego would be hit the hardest, for example.

[urban flax]

Sure
Like herbivores weren't getting kicked when already down on the ground already

[lethal quartz]

as a herbivore player I agree - it's already rough, but I can't deny that corpse-guarders are scum.

[urban flax]

Corpse guarding isn't even an actual issue
It's only an issue with stego, which in itself is only an issue because the rest of the roster is way smaller than it

And even then, it's something you can ignore
Get out of sight of the stego, wait for them to get bored and move on, eat

[lethal quartz]

really herbivores - especially slower, defensive ones, should just see an all around damage buff. Or maybe one of their diet options should provide them a 10-15% damage buff.

[urban flax]

Having a damage buff tied to a diet is a terrible idea
That's like the old stam diet but made infinitely worse

[lethal quartz]

good point, it's mostly stego and that's because stego doesn't have any real competition atm

[urban flax]

"You see all these combinations you can do and get different effects ? Well forget about them all and use only THIS one that makes you viable"

[lethal quartz]

perhaps just all around stat buffs then. you're right, a diet buff would lead to meta-gaming and powercreep

[urban flax]

They all need buffs in different departments

[lethal quartz]

It'll be interesting seeing what happens to stego players on unofficial servers once rex is released - especially since it's an unfinished dino.

I'm assuming most of its toxic players will move to trike instead - but even then, they're gonna have to deal with rex, and vice-versa

[urban flax]

If it stays how it is, in its unfinished state, it's gonna get demolished and go extinct

[lethal quartz]

well over half of the herbie roster is extremely unfinished right now, either way.

[urban flax]

Yes

[lethal quartz]

Really hope the devs focus on updating some of their older dinosaurs once dilo, diablo and herrera are released. Powercreep is beginning to occur.

[urban flax]

Yeah
Carno and cera are practically the entire cause of it
Carno has a stupid busted charge, so they made cera overpowered in order to not get nuked into oblivion as soon as a carno sees it
And as a result everything else either ends up underperforming in comparison to these two or are buffed to insane levels in order to contend
Like troodon
The damage it can dish out is actually crazy

[lethal quartz]

troodon is at least negated by the fact that it's too overly-reliant on large groups to get anything done. This might be a problem later once humans are added, but for now it's excusable.

[rare fractal]

Honestly I get less and less convinced of that the more I play Troodon

It’s actually not too bad at bleeding things out and getting it’s own pounce venom cycle entirely on its own

And once it does it hits HARD

[cosmic thorn]

@wooden condor In order for there to be a point to the Oviraptor, they'll first have to make nesting more popular. There's no point in playing an egg-snatcher if there are barely any eggs to snatch.

[normal lotus]

@mild walrus I heard that they're tweaking the stamina changes and trot speeds to alleviate the issues

@trail mason iirc all of them are on the radar and likely getting patched as we speak.

[trail mason]

nicee

yeah they make the game very unfun to play lol

[hidden mist]

I will miss food stuck bug when it finally gets patched after all these months... Oh wait no, I won't

[lucid robin]

many people downvoted @prisma ermine's suggestion to add ptera to gateway stress test. I'd like to know why

[mild walrus]

Same, Ptera needs to be tested too

[icy lion]

Currently the devs need heatmap data to fine tune migrations, and need bugged/broken parts of the map to be reported

Both of those are accomplished far better if no one is flying

[lucid robin]

ohh ok. so they'll add ptera to the official / full release of gateway?

[mental mountain]

Yes

[lucid robin]

I dont particularly want to wait 6 hours to hear what yall think of the next suggestion I'm gonna post, so here it is, tell me ur thoughts

Add puddles of water all over Gateway (and I mean all over, in every ditch and divot and indent in the landscape). Drinking from one would make the puddle drain and eventually run out, and it would drain faster depending on how large the animal drinking from it was. A puddle of water would be able to fully fill up one medium-sized dinosaur (teno/diablo? maybe smaller?)'s thirst bar before it ran out. Something like a stegosaurus or tyrannosaurus would get next to nothing from a puddle, and something like a dryo or hypsi would be able to easily fill up its thirst bar while hardly draining the puddle. Puddles would only regenerate after a 3+ minute rainstorm (time required to refill puddles could be adjusted) (light rain would not refill puddles).
This would give animals a way to have a small amount of water almost wherever they went.
I might repost this suggestion in the future if it gets forgotten/ignored or if I think of a way to improve it.

Side note that's kinda sorta not really part of my suggestion:
This feature could also be applied to floods or wet / dry seasons in the future of the game's development, having all the puddles dry up in dry season and having them overflow in wet season or in a flood.

I may or may not update it if you have a good idea / make a good point

[severe idol]

"Admins never do anything" is my favorite flavor of General-Feedback.

This channel is a yearish old.

Definitely nothing.

[lucid robin]

mmm... salty

😋

[severe idol]

And then there's people like you.

[burnt bone]

I personally dislike it because it kinda just completely invalidates deino. Like deino already is going to struggle a lot more on gateway, adding easily accessible and deino free water literally everywhere is a bit too harsh. There are already a lot of water sources across the map, and I have never had difficulties finding it when i need it, and I still barely have a rough understanding of about 1/3rd of the map.

[terse hornet]

@whole yew the issue with migration zones is a known bug in the most recent public ST build 👍

[limber hull]

is that the one where they won't stay still lol

@radiant shoal raw meat is often dehydrating due to other components, it's not actually hydrating at all, regardless of water content

[radiant shoal]

some animals in the wild in deserts sustain LITERALLY on the hydration they receive from the prey they consume.

[limber hull]

and that's due to VERY hyper-specific adaptations

to a desert environment

[radiant shoal]

seems like very hyper-specific contrarianism in the face of a presented idea to me

[last lily]

Or an adaptation to eating only 'well-done' steak

[limber hull]

being able to hydrate from puddles, meat and everything else seems like a way to just prevent deinosuchus from existing lol

there's a ton of shallow water around, and while i think its good deino doesn't have it so easy, this is all essentially just a big middle finger to deinos lol

[radiant shoal]

im not suggesting we make an animal planet sim. I am simply presenting feasible ideas for making exploration of the truly massively expansive map less punishing

[hidden mist]

#general-feedback message devs trying to conceal food stuck bug as much as they can, probs %) Guess so because in 6.5 fruits mostly were a menace for ‘food stuck’ bug. Perhaps they have problems with ‘grow - drop from a tree - be picked up by a dino’ cycle, while other vegetation only has ‘grow - be eaten/picked up by a dino’ cycle. Although fruits on branches were still bugged sometimes 🧐

[limber hull]

so why don't you want more fruit to spawn if you want to explore more lol, it's the best food to bring travelling as a herbi

[radiant shoal]

in the proper biomes fruit seems to be spawning exactly how it's supposed to, when the migration system moves to those biomes

[limber hull]

thats bizarre

i've literally never seen a single banana, papaya or brazil nut

[ornate lodge]

Anyone else feel AI is too low? I just spent an hour roaming around with 3 people and starved to death.

[rare fractal]

It’s just endless fields of S nutrients

That’s it

[limber hull]

for real though, why is protein everywhere while lipids is like finding plant gold

[rare fractal]

It doesn’t even provide competition

Because if you find it, you’ve probably found it before anyone else has

And you’re going to eat all of it

So it’s just gone, nothing to contest over

[limber hull]

carbs and lipids tend to have tons of fruit in their sections, which leads me to believe it's a fruit problem

i genuinely think fruit just... isn't spawning

i have yet to even see the MODEL of a banana, papaya or brazil nut

hell, the only new plants I've seen are just bushes

or roots

[rare fractal]

Same

Which is funny since lipids is like

Objectively the best diet in the game rn

Because NV is so harsh

[limber hull]

pumpkins are also just not there

i swear it's a fruit thing

[rare fractal]

Fruit diff gg

[limber hull]

it has to be a fruit thing

[rare fractal]

They’re going extinct

[prisma ermine]

Lmfaoo I remember my first time seeing a Stego speed hacking funniest thing

[vocal pumice]

-82,953.452, 409,801.164, 23,152.934
some wierd out totally out of place hole

do i post these here or?

[keen harness]

Damn 48 ✅s on my post

[limber hull]

@plain jolt its basically confirmed gen 2 will not prioritise killing dinos

hell, it's possible killing dinos is not even part of their goal at all

[keen harness]

Yeah iirc there’s also gonna be a class that’s just gonna go out to take pictures of Dino’s

[limber hull]

i dont think there's a confirmed class system

[plain jolt]

makes my idea even better

lmao

[limber hull]

(killing dinos is a terrible objective for gen 2 anyways)

killing dinos should be a self-defence thing anyways

[plain jolt]

i was just saying in case since i mostly heard don or devs talk about shooting dinos/randomly dropping in maps and pulling out a glock LMAO

[limber hull]

considering how heavily the devs intend to punish humans for even trying to play aggro, that'll probably not end well

[plain jolt]

imagine if the recoil from your gun damaged you fkhfjkghfg

[limber hull]

guns are loud as hell, make a distinct gunpowder smell, have muzzle flash, limited ammo and are fired by one of the slowest and most frail characters in the game

you're basically screwed if you fire willy-nilly

for reference, stegosaurus can beat a human in a sprint race

[plain jolt]

id also lose against a giant cow in a sprint race

[limber hull]

also, humans have slightly more health than a troodon, and less health than a dryo

actually they also have less health than beipi

[latent olive]

god imagine being able to smell on your compass where the gunpowder was ignited

at that point why even bother with firearms, just run melee and zerg

[limber hull]

i mean... the gunpowder residue is still in the barrel

you'd be able to pinpoint them lol

[latent olive]

yeag

[limber hull]

almost like shooting random things is going to end badly

[plain jolt]

this reminds me of honey badgers for some reason, small but will absolutely ruin you and immune to any damage

(in comparison to a human at least)

[plain jolt]

silencers when

[limber hull]

silencers are confirmed

[plain jolt]

[latent olive]

and theyre confirmed to be realistic silencers

[limber hull]

except they're realistic silencers

[plain jolt]

[latent olive]

which means they just arent loud

[limber hull]

so uh, you'll only alert HALF the island

instead of the entire island

[latent olive]

the first thing that came into my mind was a sleeping allosaur opening one eye to look around instead of two

[plain jolt]

i can already see how if u play a carni dino and hear a gun ur like OHH YEAHHH time to scare some humans oh boy my favorite activity

[limber hull]

and then there's weapons like the shotgun and .357, which will just be loud lol

[latent olive]

mr. hypsi (pencil niche)

going to fill that damn bird FULL of lead

[limber hull]

like the point of humans is to be bad

they are not strong

[plain jolt]

do u guys think it would be louder than a dino 1 call or about the same/less

[limber hull]

its a gun, so yes

[latent olive]

depending on gun, but yeah

[plain jolt]

insane

[latent olive]

if its like a .22, it wouldnt be too loud in a dense jungle

if its anything like a .203 itll be loud

[plain jolt]

ngl it would also be scary to me if im a dino and i hear a gun in the distance and idk where its even coming from immediately

[latent olive]

shotguns are a goddamn amber alert in terms of volume

[keen harness]

You can make a .22 not make any sound at all lmao

[plain jolt]

😭

amber alert kfhjkgb

[limber hull]

there is a very clear point to be made from the devs that "if you decide to play like an idiot and shoot everything, you will have no ammo to fight off the several larger predators you attracted"

[keen harness]

Predators such as the: hypsi

[limber hull]

because ammo is scarce, guns are loud and a dinosaur can track you based on the scent of gunpowder

[latent olive]

yeah, but in return it isnt that strong at all

arguably .22 long rifles will be a staple weapon

[limber hull]

the point of humans is to repair bases, because that's the only place you're truly safe

[latent olive]

"truly safe"

[plain jolt]

imagine a human gets attacked by a dryo mom because they wanted to take its babies and the human just straight folds

[limber hull]

@thin furnace do i have good news for you about what the next animal after trike is

[keen harness]

A .22 wouldn’t penetrate a Dino’s skull or do any major damage unless it’s a hypsi or a troodon

[limber hull]

a dryo could literally kill a human

[plain jolt]

try me ill fistfight a dryo

[thin furnace]

Yooooo let’s go I’m out of date

[latent olive]

maybe, sniff, maybe

but ive yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet

[plain jolt]

(i lose too)

[limber hull]

dibble, dilo, herrera, rex, trike, then maia

the first three are already over 90% done

[thin furnace]

Beautiful, thank you!!

[keen harness]

Say that when there’s 7 cera’s behind you

[latent olive]

i need herrera now

i need diablo now

i need maia now

i need dilo some time soon

[limber hull]

i honestly am so ambivalent about dilo lol

i do not care nearly that much

[plain jolt]

im still a bit bummed you cant play rex on official servers (i think??)

[limber hull]

yea that's a thing

[plain jolt]

wouldnt it make sense to make the grow process a lot harder instead

[limber hull]

no

[keen harness]

plausibly

[limber hull]

because the level rex is on is nothing our current roster can handle

even stego is getting whole new attacks and buffs just to deal with rex's existence

which, thank god

[keen harness]

We need other larger Dino’s to cope with it

[limber hull]

i was worried they were going to leave stego as-is when rex came out whcih would be horrid

[keen harness]

Before officials can handle it

[limber hull]

literally what could you add to deal with it

[plain jolt]

i would have assumed a stego can just take on a rex i mean they literally slap full grown deinos around like toys and they were advertised as preying on rexes

[keen harness]

Spino:

[limber hull]

spino doesn't deal with the problem it just adds a new one

[latent olive]

deino is nowhere near the level of rex

[urban flax]

And what would deal with the problem of spino ?

[keen harness]

Well, it solves 1 problem…

But adds another 2.

[urban flax]

And who the hell advertised deino as preying on rex ?

[limber hull]

they three called each other in the hope trailer so everyone thinks they fight to the death now

[urban flax]

Good Replicator, the amount of assumption a community can make over a 2-second video snip of a deino and a rex roaring at each other in a trailer

[keen harness]

Lmao

[limber hull]

they didnt fight or anything but they did angrily look at each other, which indicates the matchup

[urban flax]

Deino : Roars at a rex and backs down into water
Isle players : OMG Deino will kill rex easily in a 1v1 fight !

[plain jolt]

im basing it on like, the outside world too i guess

[limber hull]

like there's literally no way to "deal with rex" without constructing an entire ecosystem of midtiers and large tiers to close the gap

[plain jolt]

i only ever see a croc kill a rex in any pics LOL

[urban flax]

Ah yeah I always see deinos killing rexes too when I go outside for a walk
Happens all the time

[plain jolt]

see

[urban flax]

It's a good thing btw
I literally can't walk 5 meters without bumping into a rex
Pest control really gotta do something about them giant carnivorous lizards

[plain jolt]

LOL

[keen harness]

Who’s gonna control the v1 population once they get released? Me! I love eating humanoid creatures.

[latent olive]

v1?

[keen harness]

Generation 1

[latent olive]

[keen harness]

I wonder how much food they’ll supply to mid range Dino’s if any at all.
(If killed ofcourse)

[plain jolt]

i wonder if rex could be like, hindered with stamina, like its enough for taking down one thing or so but if ur done ur just slow as heck so everyone can leave in time/ur loud

i feel like if u cant run everywhere as a rex people might play it less too but then again stego is so slow i got a finger cramp trying to walk anywhere

[urban flax]

I don't think generation 1 will be that easy prey

[plain jolt]

i feel like gen1 might also be able to pounce

[urban flax]

Since they're supposed to be hunting and eating dinos

[limber hull]

(and sacrificing)

[latent olive]

and sacrificing dinos

[keen harness]

They’ll probably be like a weird raptor

[limber hull]

i mean, they have weapons, so idk if they need a pounce. We know they can climb tho

[keen harness]

Ah hell naw I’m never leaving highlands again

[limber hull]

Spears, bows, other such rudimentary weapons

[keen harness]

Wonder how gen 2’s will deal with em

[urban flax]

I mean it could work ala Monster Hunter
You pounce on a target in order to grapple on it and stab it repeatedly with your weapon

[urban flax]

shoot

[limber hull]

gun

[keen harness]

Big loud doe

[limber hull]

okay

your other choice is instant death

[urban flax]

Being loud is better than being dead

[keen harness]

yeah true

[limber hull]

either that or use a car

and just don't engage with them

[keen harness]

just lock the bathroom door

[limber hull]

actually no a helicopter would probably be better

[keen harness]

Hopefully they won’t be too fast…

[limber hull]

also staying in your base and turning on the electric fences would help

[keen harness]

To run away from

[limber hull]

they're def faster than you

there is no universe where gen 2 outruns gen 1

[keen harness]

how bout other Dino’s

[limber hull]

they can climb

[keen harness]

Yeah but can you run from them

[limber hull]

a gen 1 probably is not outrunning a raptor

[keen harness]

it better stay that way, running into a gen 1 would already be more of a horror game than silent hill

[limber hull]

considering gen 2 is somewhere around 20km/hr in-game, having gen 1 move at more than twice that speed to outrun a raptor at 46.8km/hr would be somewhat absurd

but its possible the eyeless will be able to outrun many of the game's roster

[plain jolt]

it would be SO cool if the arrows got physically stuck in the dinos, and if you survive an encounter u might have a bunch of arrows in you, or even just one and u have to try and get them out

i wonder if theyll go for guild wars charr and make them crawl around on all 4s when sprinting or if its just lil humans on 2 legs

[keen harness]

What would the debuff be

[plain jolt]

bleed i assume

[urban flax]

No need for there to be a long-term debuff for arrows

[plain jolt]

i mostly meant visual anyway

[keen harness]

I mean if I would be running with an arrow stuck in my arm It wouldn’t feel good

[plain jolt]

like how sometimes deer have arrows in them and they dont even care

[keen harness]

adrenaline is one hell of a drug

[plain jolt]

i mean true but ur a dino so ur not too smart so idk if theyd know how to remove it, maybe it falls out with time tho

[keen harness]

Maybe wallowing but then mud pits need to be way more common

[plain jolt]

it just seems like storytelling kinda like "wow joe got attacked by the gen1s maybe theyre close here i better bounce"

does wallowing do anything anymore

[keen harness]

gets rid of bleed iirc

[plain jolt]

im guessing it helps with bleed or something

oh ok nice

[keen harness]

Maybe later down the line it could help deal with smell.

Or camouflage for gen 2’s

[plain jolt]

maybe thats the arrow debuff

if you have a wound like this dinos could smell it

[keen harness]

could work, but it shouldn’t be too large of a range

[plain jolt]

yea its a small wound

maybe it stacks

like 1 arrow, very small range, two, a bit bigger etc

could help the gen1s track prey too

[keen harness]

Yeah

When they get released everybody will play gen 1’s and they’ll have like only 10 people to hunt that still play Dino’s

[plain jolt]

they aint called cannibals for no reason i guess

world war 5 happens on the isle

[keen harness]

Basically

[plain jolt]

actually i wonder how theyre going to handle people playing humans and just shooting eachother in their own base

would be cool if there wasnt friendly fire

they dont need to eat people

[keen harness]

Wonder if humans also need to harvest Dino’s for meat or harvest plants for food to survive or if they can only eat stuff that they collect

[limber hull]

gen 1 and gen 2 will have friendly fire

gen 1 like to eat their own kind and gen 2 doesn't need to share if they don't want to

[plain jolt]

here come the trolls

[limber hull]

you want someone else's gun? you can take it

[keen harness]

Gen 1 find themselves very juicy

Gen 2 are greedy

[plain jolt]

was there any plans for humans to have voicechat or are they also gonna 1 call and stuff xD

i can see a 1call just being like "OVER HERE" or something

[limber hull]

gen 2 have confirmed proxy VC

[plain jolt]

HELL YEA

[limber hull]

not too sure about gen 1

[plain jolt]

gen 1 voice chat would be hilarious

if they had like, a filter on

[limber hull]

i mean, dinos can't understand humans

[plain jolt]

gremlinfilter

[limber hull]

its likely all three factions can't understand each other

[keen harness]

Which will be very funny when you do run into a decently friendly dinosaur lmao

[plain jolt]

wouldnt humans still understand dinos because they only make noises

[limber hull]

gen 2 sounds like radio static to dinosaurs

[keen harness]

Maybe like body language and different calls

[limber hull]

sure, but only rudimentary levels, no proper understanding of conversation

[plain jolt]

dino: 2 calls

human: sims 4 gibberish (saying the dino looks ugly)

dino: i love you

[keen harness]

lmao

[plain jolt]

i see it in my minds eye

pachy being friendly and the human like look at this duuuuude, head shaped like a basketball yooo, hes so weird

and someone is just watching it from the bushes and laughing

IMAGINE IF U COULD PET SMALL DINOS OHHH

id cry

[keen harness]

If my cerato has a decently full stomach I won’t have a reason to just straight up eat a human so well

I’ll scream at them 👍

[plain jolt]

if i was a human id stay tf away from ceratos theyre walking zombies

probably smell bad too

[keen harness]

Yeah from all the rotten meat they eat

[plain jolt]

yes

[keen harness]

I keep good hygiene in my cerato

👍

[plain jolt]

one human task be like "brush a ceratos teeth" and they tranquilize one and when they brush ur teeth u lose all ur bacteria bite

[urban flax]

That's uh

Kinda...

Lame

[plain jolt]

it was a joke i dont expect them to actually do it LOL

[rare fractal]

Tranqs are so hyper cringe

What does that dino gameplay even look like

If you have the capacity to completely disable me do me the favor of just killing me so I can get back to my gameplay

[plain jolt]

i dont think its the best idea to have tranq rifles because they could just sleep you and shoot you

[rare fractal]

That too

[urban flax]

Some people genuinely want humans to tranq dinos and put them in cages
Like that'd be fun or something

[plain jolt]

it would be cool for people who like to roleplay/tr and break out to kill them in their base, but idk about adding it to main servers or anything

[urban flax]

Well some people do enjoy being locked up in a cage for sure but it's not that much of a widespread kink

[plain jolt]

youd also have to put a lot of trust in human players lol, like imagine they put u in a cage and just drive you into the nearest river for fun

[rare fractal]

Imagine putting trust in other players in this game

At that point you're just throwing

[plain jolt]

-war flashbacks-

ur right

[keen harness]

Or they just go offline half way

[plain jolt]

imagine they just forget u in a crate and u starve to death

same energy as when i accidentally fell into a hole and had to wait for myself to die of hunger

[urban flax]

Getting stuck in a hole, now made into a mechanic

[plain jolt]

new human mechanic: dig a trench (dinos cant walk out)

[keen harness]

New mechanic: tranq Dino’s until they die of hunger

But imagine being able to brush a cerato’s teeth, awake or not.

Funniest shiz ever

[plain jolt]

its for a steam achievement only

"human values"

[keen harness]

I can imagine some ceratos being compliant too

[plain jolt]

its me im the cerato

[keen harness]

No me

[plain jolt]

ill eat them after (theyre very close to my mouth)

[keen harness]

I would probably not even be actively looking at the game

I would probably have my graphics menu open trying to find the perfect setting

[plain jolt]

u just hear scrubbing sounds

and when u stand up they scream and run away

[keen harness]

My deaf ass would probably not even hear it 😭💀

[plain jolt]

sneak mission

[keen harness]

Lmao

Yum yum yum, tooth paste.

[full canopy]

Why do people not want a map in game? Genuinely curious. I would love one but it’s clearly not a popular opinion.

[limber hull]

map just seems lame and too RPG-y

[full canopy]

I feel like since we can already see coordinates, and a spawn-map, an in-game map feels like it would fit right in.

[proud turtle]

O_O

perfect food is zero nothing

[bold egret]

A lot of the game is based on RPing the life of a dino, more of a simulation. They're trying to find a middle ground to where its not giving you an active compass, map, and quest directions like other RPGs and such, leaving you to rely on your dinos senses and prowess to get around and survive, i.e. sniffing, following audibles, and following migration patterns.

[limber hull]

@harsh otter you know thats already a thing right

[harsh otter]

Fr?

I just payed a bit yesterday didn't pay attention

[limber hull]

there's a heart monitor at the bottom of the character menu

it's green for healthy, yellow for hurt, orange for very hurt and red for near death

[harsh otter]

Where? I ment in gateway... There is none

[limber hull]

yea, in gateway

i use it all the time

[harsh otter]

So what I have described now is in gateway?

Or not?

[limber hull]

essentially yes

[harsh otter]

Mhh ok ill remove it then

[ivory sandal]

Oh hey, the seizure lines nightvision is back. Badass, how cool is that

[limber hull]

huh?

[ivory sandal]

The most recent post? Are those not the seizure lines?

[limber hull]

what, the beipi NV that's been in since U6.5?

[ivory sandal]

Yeah

I dont play beipi so I didn't know it was there like that to begin with

Like, isnt that literally the Nv that people full on rioted about when it was added?

[limber hull]

yea

and yet no one cares anymore

despite it being in for a whole update

weird how that works out

[ivory sandal]

Just bc no one talks about it doesn't mean it isnt there

[limber hull]

it is there, it just means it's not a problem that matters

[ivory sandal]

Nobody but like a handful of people here including you and I notice that Deinosuchus is OP, and more people than not think its underpowered and underperforming

[limber hull]

considering people were crying siezure last time we had lines, and we haven't got such a complaint in the many months since U6.5, I'll assume it's not really an issue

this community will vocalise ANY problem they have, so beipi's NV getting no complaints pretty much confirms to me it's not an issue

[ivory sandal]

Fair enough ig, but the complaints may also jot be present since people can avoid the lines now by playing the other playables

....this community as I said above also thinks deino is fine (mostly) so I wouldnt put all my money on that claim

[urban flax]

People do complain about Beipi NV being too dark tho, proving people play it

[limber hull]

and yet people (like you and I) are aware of its issues

there should at least be someone complaining about it if it's an issue

[ivory sandal]

I was talking about epileptic folks

Does epilepsy have smth to do with darkness and not just flashing lights n' stuff?

[limber hull]

deino is an issue, and people like you and i make that known

[urban flax]

Yeah and they would complain

[limber hull]

pretty much

[ivory sandal]

You got me there

[ivory sandal]

You got me there (again)

Oh damn lmao the person who posted the beipi thing deleted their post

[limber hull]

i literally base how much of an issue something is by how many people whine about it, or try to justify its existence with every inch of their life

if it invokes a heavy emotional response, it's probably an issue

[ivory sandal]

Well

That only makes sense

[limber hull]

if someone needs to bring up "well this animal is OP" to justify their own animal being busted (deino mains using stegos as a scapegoat for their animal being absurd), they're probably trying to scoot around the underlying issue

[ivory sandal]

Yeah

[ivory sandal]

On top of that I saw someone asking if Deinosuchus got its damage cucked or smth bc it wasn't killing a teno as fast or whatever

[north quiver]

after many hours played on teno on gateway, I’m starting to enjoy the stam changes more and more

I love watching omnis burn through their stam with constant missed pounces and running around wasting their stam then suffering from it

I do hate it for small non-combat playables like dryo though. it’s honestly painful. regen needs to be far better for it

[icy lion]

@mild walrus It has a stam cost because it makes you get up faster

[mild walrus]

I would accept removing the faster option all together to remove that

Now that stam is so crazy I think it should be lessened at minimum

[icy lion]

Then just tap H I guess, it's good to have the faster option

[vivid bloom]

I disagree with removing an option to stand up faster because you can’t figure out how to hit H instead of W lol

[mild walrus]

Well I’d prefer to just remove the stamina drain from it, or remove the slower option altogether. It isn’t about me not knowing how to press H, har har, it’s about the stamina drain that is now an issue unlike before when the feature to get up faster draining a big chunk of stam made sense. lol.

[vivid bloom]

But the stamina drain is completely avoidable by just hitting a different key…unless you mean you just want to get up faster without it costing stam to do so

[mild walrus]

That is what I mean yes

[torn river]

Sleeping should be a different button other then holding H, input lag can make you sleep instead of get up like you want

[vivid bloom]

Ah ok, I mean I personally disagree cause I like the idea of having to sacrifice a little stam in exchange for a faster get up in an emergency situation but maybe they’ll go for it

[normal lotus]

You can bind it to r.

I bind both rest and sleep to r. Mostly because of muscle memory

[torn river]

I can’t bind them to diff keys though

[normal lotus]

Oh, tbh you should.

[torn river]

Whole thing is I’ll try to get up and some small bit of lag will make me sleep

Do sleep and lay down have different binds?

[odd whale]

The que should be fixed FML

[lethal quartz]

Teno's one of the few dinosaurs that does well with the new stamina changes, that's why. and yeah all extra-small tier dinos like dryo, troodon, beipi, hypsi - really do need their stam values adjusted. As in, a faster trot speed won't be enough to suffice.

[lucid robin]

whyyyy did people downvote this so muchhh

#general-feedback message

the stam drain from getting up quickly is a menace for new players, because they don't realize that gettin up using W (which makes sense-) is taking all their stamina

dont say it isn't a problem. i had to explain this to my friend when they were new to the isle

[burnt bone]

Because the whole point of using W to get up is to make yourself get up faster (which it does). So to balance out getting up faster, there is a stam cost.

[lucid robin]

with the new stamina system, the stam cost is way too punishing tho

things like this are why we need a tutorial-

like, when u get up with W, a lil message could pop up saying that u lost some stamina because u pressed W to get up more quickly

and to use H to get up slowly without stam cost

[low canopy]

if u are so unaware of your surroundings that u are forced to do quick get up there is something wrong with you

I haven't needed it even once during the 40hours on stres test

[lucid robin]

what do u even mean? some people don't know there is a difference between quick get up and slow get up. they just figure pressing W is another way to get up instead of H. that's my point

[burnt bone]

Well it’s supposed to be punishing because the W get up is only supposed to be used whenever you made a mistake and got ambushed while sitting.

However, a lot of the stam costs are messed up and could be changed a bit. If you wanted the stam cost reduced, then that’s one thing. But the post said to remove the stam cost, and that isn’t the same thing.

[lucid robin]

good points. i figured the post meant to just make it less of a cost, because it said "remove the massive stamina cost" as in, make it less massive. i dont want the cost removed altogether tho

[burnt bone]

That’s like saying we should buff tap ram on pachy because people may not realize they can charge it. People die because of their mistakes, and they learn from them. Though I do agree we could use a tutorial.

[lucid robin]

its just that getting up with W isn't that noticeably different

so people won't even realize

new players, i mean

i didnt realize till long after i started playing.

[burnt bone]

Except from the massive stam cost. And then they learn from either other people or themselves.

[low canopy]

if you rest using H, it makes sense that you'd unrest with it aswell

[lucid robin]

new players don't watch their stamina nearly as much, so they wont notice the stam loss. or they won't realize that the stam loss is because of the W get up

im saying this from experience, not theorizing btw. both me and my friend did this stuff

[low canopy]

you could argue basically anything using new players

[lucid robin]

which comes back around to my earlier point - the isle desperately needs a in-game tutorial, because it is very unfriendly to new players. it explains absolutely NOTHING

[burnt bone]

And again, that’s a mistake they can learn from.

[lucid robin]

(just want to add that my tone rn should be interpreted as /lh. im enjoying this discussion, especially because there have been no insults or snarkiness yet XD) (cough islecord reputation cough)

[low canopy]

being rude makes no sense, you'll only end up with mute

[lucid robin]

ikr

anyway, ima hop off. ive gotta review a document and its gonna take forever :T

ty for the civil argument yall

[burnt bone]

👍

[full ore]

what am i supposed to do as a deino at night? hunt down my own species?

with full gamma i still cant see anything i feel like this is a joke.

[keen harness]

Deinos, like ceratos do commit a loooot of cannibalism…

[full ore]

yeah but not a reason for them not to see a little bit at night

its so anoying how dumb the devs make some stuff

for earning shhhit tons of money the devs still cant hire professionals who know lots and lots about dinos and game developing

feels like the devs are in a room caged and forced to code something

[undone iris]

Yea crocs in general have really good night vision. Not a stretch to assume a deino would also.

[untold thistle]

There's nothing intuitive about pressing the "rest" button again to get up. The stamina loss is significant and on gateway can outright kill you when trying to escape heal and hide. It also makes no sense that I could lay down and rest for 5min but when I jump up to move I have less energy then when I layer down to rest in the first place.

[steel token]

P.sure this is a bug

[lethal quartz]

aaaaaaaaand pounce is still bugged on troodon

[rare wasp]

it doesnt look like that for me

[rare wasp]

no mans land has like 15 ai tenos moving in a pack

[limber hull]

they should remove those

[rare wasp]

nvm 25

[limber hull]

and add some actual plants

[rare wasp]

idk if its a bug but they just keep spawning theres so many of them

[odd niche]

deinos like cerato are blind at night

[meager barn]

@urban bear imagine they added a migration zone on the south east island banks, of course with tweaking the land a bit to make the swim actually possible, but that would be terrifying lol

[urban bear]

They have said before they would like to do that

I hope they do

[meager barn]

I just imagine this to be a slaughter similar to when wildebeest and zebra megaherds cross the rivers in the savanna

[lethal quartz]

do they actually move around the map now, or just stand still?

[limber hull]

giving teno AI a lot of credit here

[mental mountain]

They eventually move

After 10 years of moving in a path

[old shuttle]

just imagine herrera on those redwood trees ;-;

[limber hull]

(herrera would perform much worse in a redwood forest than a jungle lol)

[old shuttle]

shh

let me jump from insane heights and die my own way

[limber hull]

well you also just lose stealth you would otherwise have in a jungle

[vale pawn]

Brown herreras:

[old shuttle]

Redwoods have some pretty massive branches

[limber hull]

it doesn't matter what colours you are, you're still losing stealth lol

jungles have tons of branches, leaves and general stuff to hide you

redwoods are tall and open air

[vale pawn]

Its not stealth we want its climbing on big trees we want

[old shuttle]

sub par strategies make for excellent aesthetic

[mellow marten]

Hello. I want to report an issue with the map. Is this the right place?

[icy lion]

#🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[mellow marten]

Thanks

[old shuttle]

@sour gorge You need to drink in the shallow areas.

Usually shallow areas are marked with dead sticks in the water

[sour gorge]

Ty

Im kind of new thats why im asking

[old shuttle]

If you play on gateway by entering hordetesting(you can see instructions up in #announcements) you can drink anywhere tbh except swamp

[mental mountain]

Gateway is stunning but can't play with this damn freeze error

[sour gorge]

Another thing

When playing i usually go 100 fps but sometimes idk y but the fps go down to 30

[old shuttle]

Might be a lot of dead bodies nearby

Dead bodies = lag, usually

[sour gorge]

There once i played pachy and my fps went down to 10 and no bodies were nerby

[old shuttle]

Could also just be near a hotspot

If you're near cuddle or center you'll lag a lot more

[sour gorge]

And is there a way to fix it?

[old shuttle]

Naur

Play gateway

[opaque inlet]

I think teno does well because teno's trot is faster than most, so when both of you have no stam, teno can chase you better.

But if they buff the trot speeds on everything like they say, this may no longer be the case.

[lucid sinew]

If the Herra is going to be implemented in the game, May I suggest that the Pterandon get a rework of animations. How will Pteranodons hunt them if they collide with trees or structures vertical from them. I firmly believe that Pteranodons should have an animation that allows them to fly sideways for a brief time in order for them to hunt things that are clinging on to something. I also believe that they should be able to dive underwater briefly to catch fish or other creatures just below the surface. I think an emphasis on this would be of higher priority than a Stegosaurus rework.

[limber hull]

pteranodon doesn't hunt herrera, first of all, second of all, stego rework absolutely should take priority

stego rework is REQUIRED to make stego even survive the presence of large predators like rex

[lucid sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[limber hull]

ptera rework just makes it win more

against its... natural predator?

like herrera is supposed to hunt ptera, not the other way around

[lucid sinew]

We would make a debate room louder than a football stadium my friend.

Who is to say that a PT doesn't hunt Herra's?

[limber hull]

the devs

[lucid sinew]

Is it actually in the game. Like not in the diets?

[limber hull]

and the fact herrera is like, 5x its size

nvm, 4x

also "what's on what's diet" is a bad indicator of "what you should hunt"

see omni having both deino and cera

[lucid sinew]

People will for sure be hunting Herras as PTs.

[limber hull]

they'll die, but you're right

people will def try

i'm not denying people will try to hunt herreras as ptera, because they will, but their success rate? not looking great

and they absolutely don't need kit adjustments to make it easier for them to hunt one specific animal

pteranodon shouldn't be designed as a hunter really at all

[lucid sinew]

Wouldn't be just for one target. It would be for targeting aquatics as well.

[limber hull]

flying on its siede doesn't really help it target aquatics

the dive is a much better idea for the animal than the side-flying thing

[lucid sinew]

If a Pterandon/flying pterosaurs weren't designed as a hunter then its species have lived for 150 million years.

[limber hull]

it was designed as a fisher

that's why it was known to fish

because fish is a very effective food source

[lucid sinew]

Fish was not their only food source it was only convenient for them because they could hunt them successfully.

There is no doubt that they would have eaten other creatures if it was available to them.

[limber hull]

hence why it's also a scavenger in the isle

[lucid sinew]

I'm just saying that it shouldn't be difficult to hunt and fly in this game as a PT

They should be able to have the ability to have veering mechanics.

[limber hull]

i really don't see the need, when quetz exists to fulfil the very role of flying hunter

just kinda makes ptera into miniquetz

[lucid sinew]

If the Quetz has the same issues as the PT it will have a lot of issues and I'm sure they know this.

I just think that this game has the opportunity to be the best dinosaur game simulator, I personally like the look and feel of this game as compared to Beasts of Bermuda and Path of Titans, but truthfully I think Path of Titans is slowly catching up to these folks which I find ironic.

[limber hull]

i dont see how delaying a rework that will save a dull and weak animal (stego) for a rework to give more options to one of the most unique and viable animals in the game (ptera) makes much sense

i also don't really see PoT catching up or taking Isle's "spot"

[lucid sinew]

I never did too, but recently I think it is catching up.

[limber hull]

i dont see it personally

PoT doesn't have half the creative potential of The Isle, nor the same level of depth

it's all shallow, surface level stuff

[lucid sinew]

At least it stays true to its core. A Dinosaur game.

[limber hull]

and the isle is staying true to its core

[lucid sinew]

This game however I feel cannot make its mind up.

[limber hull]

it literally has been following the same path since its first inception wdym

in fact, the playable dinosaur part wasn't in the original plans

[lucid sinew]

And that is why I brought this up lol.

Answered it for me.

[limber hull]

how

the only thing that's really changed is the fact that people can play the dinos

generation 1, generation 2 and all that other stuff have been here since the start

strains too

[harsh otter]

Literally yeah... Clearly a person who has not been with the isle since day 1

Rip

[urban flax]

Well the game isn't staying true to its core because dinos are playable
Honestly they should make all dinos AI and focus on humans more :P

[thorny crest]

@fresh moss I think that there will be good indicators of how much blood is on your screen, they're basically reverting to legacy

[brisk sun]

Is the migration working as intended on stresstest? I follow it, i arrive, there is no food, then it moves

[limber hull]

i believe it's broke

[north quiver]

@jolly lintel capturing brings issues with humans trolling and whatnot (but would probably be great as a choice on unofficials where there are rules), but the idea of vaccinating does sound pretty cool

someone a while ago (idk who) suggested that for blood samples, some kind of dart-like syringe or something could be shot at a dino then eventually fall off with a sample of blood, and the human player could find the fallen off dart and collect it

if diseases are added, something similar to humans shooting dinos with little vaccination darts could be a neat little thing that doesn’t encourage human vs dino pvp or trolling

[ivory sandal]

@limber hull hollup let Makam cook i think he's onto something

[jolly lintel]

A counter to that could be a punishing system for humans that if players mess with or kill Dino’s that don’t need to be captured they will get a punishment

[north quiver]

I’d still just leave the option there for unofficials only just because systems will never be perfect and people will always find ways to exploit that fact. it won’t feel great to lose a 12 hour growth dino because a system couldn’t properly detect trolling

ngl an unofficial server being able to put those cages with workable doors to use would be absolutely awesome along with hauling a dino player in it to somewhere (sedated or not lol). if someone doesn’t like that then they don’t have to play on that particular server, just like how people who don’t want humans can play on unofficials that have them disabled

[faint folio]

@ashen bramble migrations is a herbivore only mechanic. The carnivores can see migration zones to help them know where they can find players because it's a huge map, but the carnivores themselves don't get food spawned in for them for being in a migration zone

[ashen bramble]

Ohh gotcha. Thanks!

[jolly lintel]

I agree with that 100% humans should be a part of the game but some unofficial servers should have them disabled so people can play with humans or not. I also think humans should play a role in protecting the island from stuff like sickness or something else like it would be cool if a Dino got sick and started an epidemic and the humans have quarantine the Dino’s to keep the island safe

[limber hull]

quarantine should never be a thing

imagine spending several real life hours trapped in a quarantine box

[jolly lintel]

It would probably be more like an enclosure than a box

[urban flax]

Epidemics neither should be tbh

We saw how it ended up in WoW

[limber hull]

an enclosure still isnt much better

you can give a prisoner a better cell, they'll still wish they were outside

[faint folio]

It would be cool, except the dinosaurs are also players and it's not fun to spend your play session in quarantine locked away from everything else

Would be a fun mechanic if all dinos were AI though!

[normal lotus]

@next nexus my man you sir have COOKED UP the best suggestion I've seen in a while. Any devs might wanna take notice of this suggestion it's a good one.

[next nexus]

thanks, I basically just want the human side to the world feel more "believable" or lived in I guess

isle maps (especially in the past) always felt like the human structures were just ploinked down at random, which I wasn't a fan of

[normal lotus]

Well you did a fantastic job I don't really have much to improve upon it.

@full vessel they are working on improvements to what they made, they essentially gave us the rough draft of what they're doing.

[full vessel]

are you talking about the stam

[normal lotus]

I would like to mention thought that iirc it's incentivized for humans to be cooperative

[normal lotus]

Yes.

[full vessel]

thank god

the new map looks so nice but it’s hard to actually explore and get around rn

[normal lotus]

They aren't getting reverted. But there will be changes to help compensate. Likely increased Stam pools, sprint drain decrease. Trot speed increases and possibly food and water drain decreases

[normal lotus]

Raui and titanoboa are in limbo rn

[full vessel]

can’t wait to see how that goes
seems like a lot when they could have just kept the old stam there wasn’t much wrong with it tbh

[normal lotus]

There was a decent amount wrong with it. Notably there wasn't much punishment for running across a map. Which imo there should be

[full vessel]

idk the map was massive having next to no stam for such a massive area kind of sucks

[normal lotus]

Fair. Which is why having increased trot speeds would be good so you could get across faster. And in the cases where you do run. You'll be able to go for longer.

[full vessel]

yah which is why i find teno to be the best thing for this new map :) i just hope they fix the sniff bar soon ive died to lack of water a lot as teno because when you sniff sometimes it will show a water source that’s much farther away even if there’s one right beside you just over a small hill

i’ve also had it where i smelt a water drop in the bar and then suddenly it disappeared even tho i was heading right for it

[normal lotus]

There's a lot of bugs to get through.

[full vessel]

yah fair this is stress test after all

[faint folio]

Idk I feel like the stam changes were needed for herbivores especially. Previously the only way to get carnivores off your back was to kill them. Now, carnivores have to be very careful to watch their stam or be forced to retreat. And once they're out of the fight they aren't coming back (looking at utahs who used to be able to Regen in 60 seconds and pop back in again while their prey got no such break)

[normal lotus]

Which I love, finally adds the idea that a fight doesn't always have to end in death of a party.

[faint folio]

It also effectively punishes spam pouncing without stunning the Utah's/troos on miss-- you miss a pounce or two and you are DONE. Gotta retreat or get killed

[full vessel]

yah fair but when any herbi is out their as good as dead seeing how all herbi attacks are pretty stam costly

while even if a carni runs out they can still bite which does a good deal of dmg specifically with cera and it’s charge bite

like if a teno with no stam faced off with a carno with no stam carnos going to win obviously
same goes with any other match up

[icy lion]

Apparently, basically all attacks are getting stam cost reductions in a future patch

#isle-discussion message

[full vessel]

even normal bite

[icy lion]

? normal bite has no stam cost

[full vessel]

you said all that’s why i asked

[icy lion]

If it costs no stam, then the stam cost can't be reduced

[full vessel]

your comment just looked odd i thought it meant every attack is getting stam taken off

i would have said it would be weird for a pachy to peck and lose stam lol

[faint folio]

I do too. Also, I've only really played herbivores but I have had no real trouble keeping up with migrations with the new stamina-- trotting works pretty well though it would be nice if it was slightly faster. Although, the teno migration seems bugged with how fast it flips back and forth compared to peachy migration

[normal lotus]

Speaking of pachy. It does need a trot increase.

[faint folio]

A lot of herbivores are designed around defensive play, and although their attacks need cost reduced they really tend to do better if you wait for carnivores to come to you as well

Also although I've not played carnivore yet I've seen my friends and also random carnivores attacking my group be really effective at fighting, as long as they watch their stamina and manage well, as well as pick their fights (obviously, 2 ceratos against 4-5 pachies is going to go poorly)

[proud coral]

Hypno has mentioned several things are getting faster trots. So that's good c:

[hidden mist]

Absolutely. Just played with Teno herd, couldn't keep up with them so had no other way than quiting the group :(

Btw has Dondi said somewhere that we may get Herra on public ST next week?

[normal lotus]

We might get it. Dunno tho

[lucid robin]

guys we got this one to a perfect half and half XD

#general-feedback message

[sage sun]

@cinder haven activate windows

[lucid robin]

HOLY CRAP THIS ONE HAS THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF LIKES N DISLIKES
#general-feedback message

[lucid sinew]

Bwhaha I hope someone would have said this

[distant tinsel]

I think the UI before they changed it was better for migration zone

[distant tinsel]

i downvoted just to make it even again lol

[lucid robin]

yess

[white mortar]

#general-feedback message whats everyones thoughts on this?

[limber hull]

so a level 3 envenomated rex can't oneshot a troodon anymore? lol

[white mortar]

fair point lol. Exceptions would definitely have to be made for apexs and other dinos out of their hunting capabilitites.

[limber hull]

i mean, then you have to question where the line is drawn

troodon is literally a 60HP creature

most animals do its entire healthbar multiple times over in a single attack

stego can do over 20 troodons worth of damage in a single swing

frankly, i dont think troodon needs any form of damage resist or defensive buffs

[white mortar]

If server latency didnt exist than i would agree. However it does and dying from it sucks. It's a game after all and certain changes need to be made for the sake of being fun and not frustrating

[limber hull]

dont balance around server latency

never balance around server latency

[white mortar]

When a game mechanic is directly affected by it it should be something to think about.

[limber hull]

yea, you work on the latency issue

but you dont balance around it

[white mortar]

Its just not possible. There is no way to give every player 0 ping.

[limber hull]

okay, you still never balance around latency. A 20 ping experience is fine

[white mortar]

how many players do u think actually get 20 ping?

even if i had 20 ping theres no way for me to tell that the player im hunting has 150 ping

[limber hull]

regardless, i dont think troodon needs a defensive buff, nor does it need to be balanced around the idea that there could potentially be a latency issue

[oblique tiger]

Anyone have a issue where you can’t see underwater?

[white mortar]

Its a hardcore multiplayer survival game where death means u restart. Normally latency wouldn't be a huge bother, but when it has the power to completely reset you then that's when i think it needs to be considered in the balancing process. I think we will have to agree to disagee lol

I appreciate the input tho!

[white mortar]

what dino u playing as?

[oblique tiger]

Deino on gateway @white mortar

[white mortar]

So your nightvision isnt working i assume? If not its probably a bug. #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 message

[oblique tiger]

@white mortar ty for the tab….and it doesn’t matter if it’s on or off night or day it doesn’t change the effect my deino can almost disappear on my screen

[white mortar]

ok yea i don't think that's intended. However I have not played deino on gateway myself yet so I won't be much help lol

[latent olive]

@agile roost the devs usually react to feedback they find particularly interesting

theyve done so to about 2 or 3 of my posts

[agile roost]

They do?

[limber hull]

yea

they have a unique emote just for it

[agile roost]

Interesting, could I see?

[latent olive]

as an example
#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

it has to be something really good, so generally you don't see much response because most of the feedback is "optimise game" and "this op"

[latent olive]

also
#general-feedback message

[agile roost]

Ah yeah

Fair enough

[latent olive]

yeah the feedback has to be pretty well constructed with a very interesting idea for one of the devs to grab it

[agile roost]

Makes sense

[paper ice]

do the devs even look at the feedback ?

[icy lion]

Read the messages above yours

[paper ice]

well i mean if a lot of them is to optimize the game and saying some stuff is op shouldnt they be doing something ab it

[limber hull]

they are

[limber hull]

@lucid robin if my deino runs for 30 seconds, it should take more than 30 seconds to get that stam back, otherwise that's ridiculous

if my stego is regenerating stam in under a minute, that's absurd

[lucid robin]

i suppose for deino and larger animals it makes less sense. but nobody likes sitting more than they run. so for medium to small terrestrial creatures, i think it still should apply

[limber hull]

i disagree

the suggestion entirely disregards niche or function

and turns the game back to "rest sprint rest" gameplay

no care for how much stam you waste if the rest time is barely anything

[lucid robin]

isn't it currently "sprint, rest for about 50 million hours, sprint" rn?

[limber hull]

no

if you play like a fool it is

[lucid robin]

(referring to gateway, i shouldve said that)

[limber hull]

if you remember that trotting is a thing and you use sprint when necessary, it's fine

if you can literally regen all your stamina back in less time than it took to expend it, there's no punishment for careless stam use

[lucid robin]

...yk what, i see ur point lmao. ima go change it to something else before it gets too many votes (because hell naw i aint waiting 6 hours again)

[limber hull]

there's also things like carno which can technically burn through all their stam in 10 seconds with charge

and with the logic presented, that would mean carno should be getting said stam back in that time

which means its god

[lucid robin]

oh god imagine a megapack of carnos with that level of stamina regen

[full pewter]

@hexed aspen Quetz will basically be able to do what you’re stating

[maiden jewel]

@vital plover
#general-feedback message
metoo™️

[vital plover]

It's a shame because Gateway looks promising. At least the small part I was able to explore so far. I just want to play the game 🥲

[maiden jewel]

I'm mostly an auditory hunter, so when the ambient audio stuttering hits my whole emotional and mental state goes from hyper focused and intent on hunting or being hunted into - "well, screw this. I guess I'll just die then and feed someone"

[urban flax]

@earnest sable The bug reports channel is right above the one you posted your feedback in

[icy lion]

@vital plover Enable any form of Global Illumination to stop the flashing water, and try verifying the game files for the crashing

And in the future, use #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 to report problems

[earnest sable]

Damn, I'm blind. 😂 Sorry about that.

[severe forge]

For $30 you can get hacks easy for this game. And I’ve seen plenty of hackers so far. Not good.

[severe forge]

And without knowing who killed you it’s going to take quite awhile to catch them. Hence why I think there are so many hackers. Just look at all the reports and those are only the people reporting hackers. Many don’t report them or don’t know how to. I think this game has a small development team? Going to be an uphill struggle. But really people need to know which player killed them. I’ve questioned why bother play this game it’s been so bad recently with people running around with extra speed or finding your team in impossible places at night when you yourself can’t see a dang thing.

4 of us full grown ceras last night. Attacked by a pachy at night time. We split up and hid deep in the jungle some distance from each other. I was hiding my eyes in a tree. This pachy appears right beside me and hits me. I move 2 times and the same. Then that pachy runs up to each of my 3 friends and kills them one after another. I could see maybe tracking 1 person at night. But 4 people? And now those players don’t want to bother playing now. And I myself am questioning whether it’s worth playing.

Pretty sure the same pachy also killed me when I first spawned in. Nighttime. Look around and see nothing. Runs right up to me immediately after I spawned in and kills me. I thought the timing was weird but after we got killed later on I think it may have been the same one. And questionable things have happened fairly often but the most obvious ones are the speed hacks. But the esp is more difficult to identify. Anyway it really sucks because it seems really common and this is a fun game aside from that.

If that 1 person can make 4 of us think about quitting this game. Think about how many other players that person unfairly killed. And multiple that by the number of hackers which there are probably many from videos on YouTube and the reports here on discord. That’s potentially many people leaving this game at some point.

[icy lion]

You can report hacking by following the instructions pinned in the server channels down below and/or dm evidence to any mod or admin

[severe forge]

Right I saw the reporting process. The issue is you don’t know the players name. So I think the dev has to be noticed and then has to look for the dinosaur on the server and hope it’s the one people are reporting. It’s just not very efficient and given the number of hackers right now. I don’t think it’s working very well. I could be wrong though maybe the devs are catching hackers? That would be good info to know if they are catching some.

[icy lion]

We don't need to know the player's name

You can optionally share your own in-game name to help find them in the logs

[severe forge]

Ok

Thanks

Sorry to rant its so frustrating to spend timing growing to run into that lol

[full summit]

anyone know how to view the streams? Can you only view the streams when amarok is live? I sub and never see any videos there.

[hidden mist]

Only when amarok is live, otherwise you can try to find some stream fragments on Youtube

[full summit]

ty much

[spark zephyr]

is it just me or do the migration areas change way too fast 🤔

[hidden mist]

They do xd Also for me in half of them vegetation doesn't even spawn except for little S

[polar tiger]

Agreed, you had some very valid points as well

[still sinew]

on Gateway;; anyone expienced any small falls that don't break your leg but you take a ton of damage?

Happened twice so far. It was funny - but hopefully not an intended change xD

which btw I wouldn't mind if falls only had a chance of leg break, but you still took damage. but these were tiny hops not long falls-- so more curious if anyone else experienced it.

Sidenote:: the mig zone inner color needs to be more neutral toned it's too dark.

[still sinew]

I am weirdly good at finding these

[light depot]

#general-feedback message isnt crouching more effective tho

cause you can get up and run instantly

[vale pawn]

it is

but in some cases Im already resting and getting up would likely grab their attention with more movement if their really close

[still sinew]

@full vessel I've experience a couple weird things involving falls and damage/broken and non-broken legs

[mental mountain]

Dxqi error is really annoying on stress test

Is that being in the works for fixing?

[distant tinsel]

everyone downvoting ptera diets stuffs, opinons? reasons? love to know what u guys think ,why u like ptera how it is

[normal lotus]

@jolly lintel I believe they're working on fixing the lag.

[keen vapor]

@mortal parrot The venom system you are suggesting is pretty the same as how bleed works.

[mortal parrot]

At the current state of Stamina it kind of is but the only difference is that when out of Blood you die, you can still alt and move when out of stam it's just slower, also Stam is planned to do more like Damage output

The idea is just to make Venom feel like venom and make larger packs feel more dangerous instead of a nuisance

[limber hull]

let me give you a different idea

Troodon venom effect attacks the nerves and pain receptors of the dinosaur, making it feel as if it is undergoing a far greater sense of pain than it actually is. Blood screens and the heart monitor on the character screen display info that may not be accurate, as your dinosaur feels intense agony.

Stage 1: If your health is in the green or yellow, health monitor is displayed as yellow. The blood on your screen is displayed as if you were damaged to this level. This doesn't apply if your healthstate is in the orange or red.
Stage 2: If your health is in the green, yellow or orange, it is displayed as orange. The blood screen is displayed as if you were damaged to this level. This doesn't apply if you were in the red.
Stage 3: Regardless of your actual health, it is always displayed as in the red, making you feel as if you are near death. The blood screen is displayed as if you were moments away from death.

[mortal parrot]

I didn't want the venom to anything visual since that's what Dilo's does making it feel less unique, I wanted it to do a Physical effects like Increasing Stam Consumption since if you get something like a Gali low it could easily get away leaving you with dead teammates, it puts pressure on the Target

[limber hull]

it's not the same though

dilo is attacking the mind, this is attacking the body

you are physically feeling intense pain

[odd whale]

I know im gona get hated on for this but I would love to get the Heart (health indicator back), I think the stamina regen is fine as it is, however I believe we should regain stam walking instead of just slowwalking,

[limber hull]

nah, heart stays gone

i really don't want that back

[odd whale]

how come?

[mortal parrot]

I think Stam Effects would be best since if you're pounced you could just spam alt, Troodon puts almost no pressure on anything unlike Omni or Dilo, and your Idea would be interesting but it doesn't sound like it would pressure them much

[odd whale]

I just want to see how close I am to dying eg from fall damage and or water/food starvation, I just feel like the "heart beat does not update quick enough nor indicates well enough your HP, I also had it where my "heartbeat" was blue again but my screen was completly covered in blood, so am I messed up or am I not? I am just a guy who preferes to numerally see how messed up I am rather than playing enemeneminymo

[limber hull]

really lame to have your exact HP value told so there's absolutely no insentive to retrat on low HP, because you can go "urrm i am on 37.63% HP and according to my calculations due to my exact HP pool I can survive two additional more attacks from my opponent before needing to consider retreating"

instead of a far more natural "oh crap, i'm hurt, better scurry". In the words of Punch, it's lame metagaming stuff that turns the game into a PvP arena over survival

[odd whale]

I mean I never use my HP bar for a fight rather I use it afterwards, also even if I am low I dont go away, okay I am an idiot who also jumps of a waterfall for science to see if I can survive it. Turn out I cant... I just dont like not having a "clear" indication on how you are doing Health wise.

[mortal parrot]

Some Community servers might be able to turn the Heart Icon on or off

[odd whale]

Again its just my opinion and take on it. I wont give anyone sht or complain about it, I just preferred when I was able to see my HP indicated in a clear way, I wouldnt even mind if there where no % shown but atleast like a heart that filles up based on HP

[odd whale]

I hope so I guess. I mean I manly play Community Rule server anyways or PVP servers.

[mortal parrot]

It's mainly there so you can't be like "I have 37%, I can tank another hit from that Cera" instead it's like "I'm in the red, I might die if I get another hit"

[odd whale]

what would you say if you see your health in a bar/heart without a % say, it gives you a slightly better indicator but its not to a % degree where you can say okay I will survive a hit with 1% HP left?

[mortal parrot]

We have the heart monitor on the bottom of the Profile, we can see what health we are there

just not as greatly

[odd whale]

So I though, I was at Blue and then I got biten and died, it either does not update unless I have the tab open for 40 seconds or open and close it multiple times

[mortal parrot]

Blue? There is Green, Yellow, orange, and red

[odd whale]

I am slightly color blind

[mortal parrot]

Oh

[odd whale]

which is another fun part as yellow and orange are almost the same for me

[mortal parrot]

You can also tell by seeing how fast the heart is beating

[icy lion]

@void cradle Mod support is planned

[odd whale]

Mh I am A just not used to it enough and B I think I am more of a "straight forward" guy I guess

But my friends have the same issue where their Heart beat senser on the bottom just doesnt update unless they have it open for a good while

However, I can also understand your point of view where people treat this game as a math question and use the hp% to calculate the exact amount of HP they have left if a Dinosaur bites / kicks them in the head.

I just play to many games where my health is indicated as a % or in a way that makes it easy and clear to see how fked I am 😅

Anyways that is more or less my take on the health change, I am going to go to bed now, wish ya all the best.

[paper ice]

why instead of making new maps just work on the ones already made ???????????

[limber hull]

because the current map literally sucks

it is inherently poorly designed from a mechanical and gameplay point of view

[mortal parrot]

Because the new one is already made and it would be pointless to work on the old one since the new one is already almost doneish

[limber hull]

that really doesn't answer his question though lol

[mortal parrot]

The new map looks several times better so why work on the old one anyways?

[limber hull]

because the question is "why start work on a new map when you already have one", not "why work on a map you have already put 95% of the work into"

the reason Gateway exists is because Spiro is inherently flawed on all levels, mechanically, gameplay-wise, and it sports limited support for a diverse roster. Arboreals, aquatics, humans and other such niches and playstyles aren't supported due to the limited biome diversity on the map or a lack of pre-defined areas for those playstyles to actually work

[limber hull]

but that's still not the point

you're acting as if this map was always going to exist, which isn't true. By all respects, they could've not made Gateway and continued work on Spiro

They didn't do that because Spiro is, at it's core, flawed

keeping and trying to rework it would be almost as much work as just... making a new one. So why not make a new one

Especially if that said new one can accomidate everything you plan to add for the forseeable future

[mortal parrot]

Are you against the Venom suggestion I said?

[limber hull]

the stam one?

[mortal parrot]

Yeah

[limber hull]

yes

[mortal parrot]

Why?

[limber hull]

its just another body fracture/bleed debuff that doesn't need to exist

[mortal parrot]

Explain

[limber hull]

it literally does the same thing as both bleed and body fracture and thats it

it takes bleed's stam regen penalty and fracture's stam drain penalty

and its not like 15 seconds of reduced stam regen really matters at all in this context with the new stam changes

its unlikely you're going to actually regain said stam at a rate where it actually maters

within 15 seconds

[mortal parrot]

I wanted to suggest something that would make Troodon's Venom better while supporting its playstyle

[limber hull]

how does it support its playstyle though

[mortal parrot]

"For every different Troodon that pounces while at level 3 the Debuff is stronger" Troodon has to play in groups to be efficient and this makes smaller slightly more benefitable while larger groups are benefitted the most

[limber hull]

but the debuff is like, 2% stronger

this is literally just a worse body frac lol

body frac doubles your stamdrain, this puts it up by a far less significant margin

[mortal parrot]

The 2% and 15% were made up, I just used those as an example so there would be a better understanding

[limber hull]

okay but still

it doesn't really mesh much with its gameplay at all besides "needing groups to make it stronger"

[mortal parrot]

Yeah, Troodons are suppose to be in large groups so it should be benefitted the most, while small groups shouldn't be benefitted as much

[limber hull]

i dont really see how increasing stamdrain does much for it though, or why it would need that

[mortal parrot]

It's to apply pressure like Omni and Dilo in its own way

[limber hull]

its not really its own way though is it

it's just kinda how pachy and omni already do it

except worse

[mortal parrot]

If you're fighting an Omni you have to watch your bleed and pachy just have to watch for its headbutts

The idea makes it so you pretty much have 2 choices
1: Run away and risk having less stam to fight back with
2: Fight back or risk having no stam to get away with when getting overwhelmed

[limber hull]

okay but like how is that fun or meshes with troodon's gameplay design

like, that's just body fracture

but less significant and less consistent

[mortal parrot]

Dilo's venom is like a head fracture

[limber hull]

not at all

head fracture reduces bite damage and your total field of vision

dilo venom induces hallucinations that can attack you and reduces your range of vision

a head fractured dinosaur can still see a good distance away, it just has less of an FoV to work with

a dilo envenomated dinosaur is still more aware of their near surroundings, but lacks the ability to see distances

[mortal parrot]

What do you suggest Troodon's venom does instead?

[limber hull]

didn't i already tell you

[mortal parrot]

That doesn't sound physical and you could just watch the wounds

[limber hull]

its venom

it is literally one of the most realistic approaches one could have

you can literally tell due to the shaking that the venom causes stuff like muscular contractions and so on, it is literally entirely on-brand to attack pain receptors

[mortal parrot]

I went with a Stamina effect since it's different from Dilo's and the concept art

[limber hull]

it just doesn't sound that interesting, impactful or fun

especially since stam changes mean you can still alt-bite without stam

so it literally barely matters for the purpose you intend

most attacks, even basic, will kill a troodon near instantly

a stam debuff doesn't really help with that

[mortal parrot]

It would be useful for Dinos that would try to get away like Gali or Dryo since it would harder to get away if they decide to attack and Stamina is planned to affect damage output so it would be harder for them

[limber hull]

okay but like galli isnt even on troodon's diet lol

[mortal parrot]

What's stopping them from kicking you though? also organs could still be useful

[limber hull]

the implication that you'd even manage to hold a galli still for long enough to get it to the point where you can reach stage 3 is already a massive ask, the galli would literally have to be asking to die.

so this entire change exists to make it harder for animals that prefer to flee over fight, because those ones are the ones that deserve to be made harder to play as

dryo playerbase was simply too confident

knock those guys down a peg

[limber hull]

if you halved a cerato's damage, it still one shots troodon

[mortal parrot]

It's to make it harder to flee after choosing to fight, like it would be hard for a Troodon to catch up with an Omni or Gali if they ran instead of fight, but it would be easier to catch them if you get them to level 3 since you most likely fight with them a little to get it to level 3

[cyan flame]

Give every critter actually good and useful NV, make troodon reduce that range for the third stage to something just above useful. There you go, this actually makes sense now with new NV at that.

[mortal parrot]

That would be similar to Dilo but worst

[cyan flame]

Still would make sense, and would also hinder the whole run away or fight back as efficiently

[mortal parrot]

Dilo would do that better since the fog works during the day so why play Troodon?

[limber hull]

why play troodon if its venom just applies a worse body fracture/bleed effect lol

[cyan flame]

Make dilo be more daytime focused anyway, would also be better

[mortal parrot]

Troodon could bait alts to drain stam more and it would still be useful to Troodon

[limber hull]

okay but like thats what omni does

because omni benefits off bleed reducing regen

meaning once they're out, they're out

[cyan flame]

Ideally at least, not that omni needs to bait and drain stam but still

[mortal parrot]

The bleed limits how much you move, the Idea limits how much you run or attack

[cyan flame]

Bleed very much determines if you can run or attack at all since anything below half or even earlier ruins your stamina quite well

Which you'll get to rather easily with omni tap pouncess

[limber hull]

but that's really quite dull for venom in all honesty

frankly this just ends up being omni

[cyan flame]

The damage multiplier is fine for the venom, I doubt that's where the issue lies

[limber hull]

damage multi is fine, but the additional stamdrain is entirely unnecessary and adds nothing of real substance to troodon's kit

[mortal parrot]

The damage multiplier is nice, the problem is just that's the only thing the venom does

[cyan flame]

Does venom need to do more, though?

Is the argument that venom needs to do more, to be fun? Or to be effective, because the damage seems effective enough (and the bleed at that). Or what's the basic issue?

[mortal parrot]

Cera's bile and Dilo's venom needs to do less for more

[cyan flame]

I mean, troodon is pretty much a "throwaway" playable, like hypsi

Though if it traded pounce for just normal attacks, I could see it being more useful to have better or more impactful venom

[mortal parrot]

A bit of both since it's fun to pounce things but dying in 1 hit will just takes it away, and it becomes extremely less efficient when someone dies

The idea was also to make larger packs feel more efficient instead of needing to be relied on as much compared to its current state

[mild walrus]

The people downvoting @desert quarry post, I’ll never understand you. Beipi, a small Dino, is RAPIDLY losing stamina and takes ten years to regain it. Deino has more stam by quite a bit it seems (as a baby) and the stam needs to be fixed for the smaller animals

[desert quarry]

I fully agree. I LOVE beipi and was so looking forward to playing it in Gateway. But I have discovered all I am doing half the time, or more, is regaining stam. It's no fun. If I run into any carnivore after traveling just 20-30 seconds at fast swim OR underwater, I'm in trouble. The map is huge, no one wants to walk across it, or even trot if we can sprint over areas instead.

[mild walrus]

^

[desert quarry]

Beipi also shouldn't be losing stam just because it's swimming underwater at its normal pace. I mean they're punishing the beipi for living in its environment, that doesn't make any sense.

[lucid robin]

@empty epoch sup lightclaw, heres the suggestions of mine i wanted to show ya
#general-feedback message
#general-feedback message
#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

why are you giving them to lightclaw lol

[lucid robin]

im on his stream lol

been talkin'

[lucid robin]

[paper ice]

@hard summit why downvote ?

[hard summit]

if you cant handle the smoke get out the cooker🗣️

boars arent that strong and can be out ran by everything that cant fight it

[paper ice]

yunno what i was getting ready to argue with you but that line was too cold bro

[hard summit]

bless up

[still sinew]

You can't argue anyway, Griffith did nothing wrong.

[paper ice]

Devs do something 3 hrs down the drain

[limber hull]

do something about what lol

you just posted a screenie of a death screen

[paper ice]

a glitch killed me

pounced on a gator and poof

[pastel canyon]

Gateway croco things: It's raining underwater. After the rain, the crocodile shines through the water. The crocodile's eyes glow through a decent thickness of water, interfering with hunting. The crocodile sees nothing at all in the water except its tail, even where it is swimming, it sees something only after it has crashed into it, it is absurd.

[pseudo copper]

@willow prawn You should try to not log out on rocks or near trees but on "normal" flat terrain, this will minimize this issue from happening.

[willow prawn]

oooh ok ty 🙂

[vivid bloom]

I love that ducks with guns has more up than down votes 😂😂

[hoary drift]

I don't get why people are downvoting the omni pounce, it's barely even usable with the desync happening, you can be facing the side if a dinosaur - carno, or ceraro and you just plop on the ground and get bit 4 times, if you're not already dead you're on the brink of it. I know it's more likely due to lag of the stress test but it shouldn't be this often.

[rare fractal]

It’s because Omni pounce already has a massive hitbox

The issues it encounters are bug related

So buffing Omni pounce in response to it’s reduced functionality due to bug related inconsistency wouldn’t make any sense

[limber hull]

@empty fossil the guy making the shotgun and revolver is a completely different person from the people working on trike and rex

you know that right

the shotgun and revolver are not impacting the development speed of trike or rex at all

[empty fossil]

If he can model guns i think he can do that to a dinosaurs too

[limber hull]

he can't. that's not his skillset

[normal lotus]

He models guns, not dinosaurs.

[empty fossil]

I don't just mean this one person for the whole team is takes too long to do everything

[limber hull]

creature design is an entire different field from modelling stuf like guns

to the point that creature design and charcter models are explicitly requested seperately from stuff like hardsurface modelling

[normal lotus]

Ok ok let me explain.

1. This is a very big game they're planning.
2. They're at about 24 people total in development. Several of whom are animation.
3. We only got like 3 programmers.
4. Testing is the biggest factor and most of the time stress test is the part where it drags due to people themselves not helping with bug fixes.

[limber hull]

go onto any game job openings and modellers and artists will be split into many different specialties. Calling for a "modeller" generally isn't the best call professionally due to how broad that actually is

if the team needs a gun made, they won't call someone who makes creatures or characters

[empty fossil]

but for example the joining server bug is still here even when devs are for sure aware of it

[normal lotus]

And they've tried fixing it but it keeps coming back. They patched it last update, it came back this one.

[empty fossil]

it's very frustrating that I can't even join the server

I still think they focus too much on distant things

[normal lotus]

Then perhaps don't join the public ST, you may accidentally disappoint yourself due to how buggy it is atm.

[empty fossil]

In normal evrima is the same when there are +/- 98 players on server

[icy lion]

If a particular dev's job is done, they won't just sit around until the rest of the team/game is caught up. They're still on the payroll and will continue to work

[empty fossil]

U cant join neither to the game nor to the queue

Bcs ,,server is full"

[normal lotus]

Perhaps instead join an unofficial?

[icy lion]

That's primarily an issue with the server host and the networking, and is difficult if not impossible for the devs to improve on their end

[normal lotus]

It's an issue they're trying to solve within the ST too.

[normal lotus]

So it's an unreal engine thing not an isle thing?

[hoary drift]

What's the bug at the moment? I genuinely didn't think there was one since it works fine enough in Spiro. In gateway it feels like the window is MUCH smaller

[icy lion]

It's both, we've always had problems with our server browser, but there's only so much you can do to improve polling rates without simply massively increasing the price of running your servers afaik

[rare fractal]

Pounce no reg-ing or only registering for one player leading to some wacky confusion gameside that puts the pouncer into a limbo state between pounced and dismounted while the server figured out what’s happening

[normal lotus]

I see

[rare fractal]

Pounces size hasn’t been nerfed since the end of update 5

[hoary drift]

Alright, thank you for the explanation.i thought they just changed the values completely. I'll delete my feedback

[rare fractal]

And thankfully so since you could deadass pounce targets behind yourself because the hitbox was so large

[rare fractal]

Yeah no worries! Happy to be of some help

[empty fossil]

But it's not like the entire community knows about the slow development of the game? Its even pretty popular meme i think that game is never gonna be finish.

[normal lotus]

It is a popular meme but most don't believe it

[hoary drift]

Granted it's taken a LONG time for things to happen, their team is very small. You can't expect AAA game development from 20 something people. They're building the backbone to the game while we get to play what's in motion so far, we should be lucky we even have gateway right now.

[empty fossil]

I believe in it, considering that it has been 3 years since the start of evrima and we still dont have the most popular dinosaurs.
I don't mean to immediately add the t rex no matter what. It just proves something that they are still not here

[normal lotus]

Ok btw I did some math a few days ago. Essentially if they got out 9 dinosaurs per year. We'd finish in about 5-6 years.

[empty fossil]

2030 is not that far away

[normal lotus]

Yea 6 years away

By that point evrima would be 9 years old and nearly complete.

[empty fossil]

isn't it very slow?

[normal lotus]

This isn't including more people joining the team and skyrocketing production rates.

[empty fossil]

Let's hope for the best but I'm not optimistic to be honest

[normal lotus]

If they managed 9 dinosaurs a year you could get it done in 5-6 years I did the math on this.

And if it was 6? About 6-7 years.

[light depot]

9 a year is kind of a stretch

[empty fossil]

Idk man. As a pretty new evrima player it just sucks seeing develompent being so slow. If i played this game since evrima lunch for 100% i will quit for now.
I dont look optimistically into the future. Theres a good chance Ill get bored with the game before they add something cool like apex system etc.

and i am frustrated by this fact

[north quiver]

quality can’t be rushed unfortunately or you’re going to get a game like redfall or anthem or any other of the half-baked many flops

[vivid bloom]

Ngl if you played in legacy you would see just how far this game has come, it’s pretty amazing lol

[latent olive]

this kind of development speed is literally the developer standard for teams/companies/groups of this dev team size

mordhau for example had an almost identical number of devs, and almost the exact same wait of like 6 months (for example) between major updates

[empty fossil]

I played in 2017-18 and it was fun back then

[glad dirge]

I'd rather development move consistently at this speed than everything rushed

[vivid bloom]

It was an extremely buggy, poorly optimized, unbalanced piece of crap imo lol

[maiden anvil]

@full pewter Yes, velo deserves feathering

[dull perch]

@full pewter velo is just more roster bloat, let it be ai at most.

[urban flax]

Such a wasted opportunity

[full pewter]

I think velo could be great, what is roster bloat is Cory and charchar

Velo could basically be carnivore hypsy

[dull perch]

let me ask you something

does anyone seriously play hipsy?

troodon is already playerless as it is

and that thing has venom

[north quiver]

I actually really like hypsi nesting. the nest is very neat and I’d play it far more often if I had people to nest with

[full pewter]

Course not, they just play it when they don’t wanna be obligated to grow, or have just lost something and wanna come in as something else without growing, or nest

[dull perch]

exactly theres no one to play with, its like me and troodon i love it, but finding randoms to play with is almost impossible, since omni is right there and its a safer option.

[dull perch]

literally troodon

[full pewter]

Troodon still takes like 20 min till it gets venom, velo could just start instantly grown

Velo is smaller than troodon should note

[dull perch]

insta grown to do nothing but nibble and get one shot, remind me again why would need the 60+ animations all playables have

[north quiver]

making hypsi’s spit better, allowing it to climb, and taking away its fall damage entirely (there was a suggestion about that I really liked) will definitely make it more popular. another suggestion was allowing its spit to knock herras out of trees, which sounds genuinely fun and doesn’t make it an easy, safe, eat grass and die meal

[dull perch]

im really curious to see how the hypsi population develops once it gets its climbing and better spit ( i doubt ill change)

[full pewter]

That’s all small tiers, heck you could apply this to many smaller mid tiers, you think carno is gonna survive two rex bites? How weak it is doesn’t matter

[dull perch]

but carno has "gameplay matchups"

it can do SOMETHING

velo literally is just gonna be a weaker troodon that does the same thing but worse'

[full pewter]

Yea velo has matchups too, homa, dryo, proto, and any juvis small enough

[dull perch]

wait

do youu agree homa is roster bloat too?

[full pewter]

That’s what I’m promoting for velo as a generalist, it’s durable and adaptable

[full pewter]

Of all small tiers, yes, but I guess we need an ultra small tier bone breaker, it’s also cute:)

[dull perch]

thats cool and all but you must acknowledgethe way most of this games playerbase works is BIG = good and play worthy and SMALL = bad and boring/ useless

[north quiver]

that’s sadly reinforced with how the roster currently is. I do believe that can be helped though

[full pewter]

Some people genuinely like small tiers, the devs have openly said they’re trying to have playables that can appeal to a variety of people, some like playing the small cute vulnerable Dino’s, not everyone likes big and mean

[urban flax]

What a terrible mindset

[dull perch]

I LIKE SMALL TIERS,

ive literally only played troo since it came out ( and teno as herb)

[urban flax]

Yet you don't like velo

[dull perch]

BUT I KNOW roster bloat when i see it'

[dull perch]

the truth tho

[urban flax]

Also, velo is planned as a playable
So might as well think about ideas to make it interesting

[dull perch]

sad but true

[full pewter]

We also need another ultra small tier carnivore, now that raui is scrapped we only have troodon and velo

[dull perch]

nah

my idea would be to make it ai LuL

[full pewter]

I’d rather no dino be ai if possible, maybe excluding compys, just so I know it’s a player, I’ve never liked the ai tenos

[north quiver]

I still dislike the teno ai

it’s literal easy meat

[dull perch]

agreed but devs seem pretty serious about adding them

[north quiver]

and the fact it even gives organs like an actual player

[full pewter]

Exactly, organs especially shouldn’t be this easy to get

[north quiver]

I’m at least very happy it’s not being added when gateway officially drops (from what I’ve heard)

[full pewter]

Ik and it stinks imo

[north quiver]

I just hope it stays that way