💬┃general

[vale drum]

Vandryll has a lot to catch up on when they wake up

[coarse swallow]

Haha, can if you want, but it's not like we won't be around to keep having fun in the future. We're always having chats in the community, we like being at ground level.

[chrome basalt]

I just ate but now I'm hungry again

[honest belfry]

you're welcome

[vale drum]

Chew on some bay leaves and cloves

Should put you off food for a while so you dont havew to worry about actually cooking etc 😄

[coarse swallow]

do not chew on bay leaves, we just covered this again, haha.

[chrome basalt]

sucking cloves is for sore teeth isn't it or something, I am pretty sure I hate cloves

[coarse swallow]

Yup, that's a thing AFK, for tooth pain. Never tried it myself, so don't know if it's an old wives' tale or not.

[vale drum]

I think it is still a thing if you talk to some old hag in the park polishing up her last bottle of vodka

[honest belfry]

I heard the same about willow bark. Also never tried it, but 🤷

[vale drum]

In Sweden we used to soak rags in potato vodka for children when they were teething. Not sure how well recieved this practice would be in a work place

[coarse swallow]

that's actually true, it's the same as aspirin... with some added stuff =p

[chrome basalt]

I really hate vodka it turns me, I think they dip kids teething rings in whiskey here sometimes though

[honest belfry]

Ok so that means the LE Health Potion is:
Willow Bark, Cloves, and what else?
Probably some kind of alcohol because it infuses faster than water (Also explains why you can find it as a beer someties)

[vale drum]

I dont mind vodka too much. Depends on make/brand and temperature but maybe not for this channel to discuss 😄

[chrome basalt]

alcohol soaked willow bark snacks

[coarse swallow]

honey mead if I took a guess.

[vale drum]

ohhh. Mead is moreish

[honest belfry]

I could see that

[vale drum]

So what are you all playing atm. I just finished RE8 (Village)

[honest belfry]

Isn't there a common flower with medicinal properties that everyone thinks is just a common garden weed. Like a dandelion

[honest belfry]

LE and Dispatch in no particular order

[coarse swallow]

Totally not osrs out of nostalgia. not that, nope.

[vale drum]

I wanted to get Dispatch but I grabbed KCD2 while it was on sale

Also meaning to get through Disco Elysium at some point

[coarse swallow]

Mostly been playing a lot of acolyte recently though. Trying to shore up my weaknesses & knowledge with minions, since I never play minions.

[honest belfry]

I have the same problem with Beastmaster. I want to play it more, I just can't get away from Warlock. It just fits my playstyle

[vale drum]

I was theory crafting a new mastery for the warrior

Did you ever play Dota?

[honest belfry]

Not really. I think I tried it once but I couldn't tell you anything about it

[coarse swallow]

I tried dota for about an hour, thought "nope, too old for this level of micromanagement" doing both LH and denial.

[vale drum]

What if there was someone who did better the more they were attacked. passives etc that gave damage reduction per attacker but also punished the attackers the more they attacked them. They could have a taunt or something and an melee aoe that triggers upon being attacked

they could also increase nearby enemies attack speed but reduce their damage

[coarse swallow]

hmmm, sounds like it would have high trouble scaling into high endgame as the goal becomes "don't get hit", and with infinite scaling, any hits are bad hits.

[chrome basalt]

St Johns Wort might be it?

[vale drum]

Definitely. Im just throwing ideas out and I haven't seen it implemented before. Think a holy warrior maybe. They could have a passive that increases resistances and even a grace window where they dont take any damage near death but healing is amplified by a percentage

Holy fervor or whatever. can you tell I was reading about the crusades last evening?

[coarse swallow]

There's also Rebuke, which is kind of that in a skill.

[zinc blaze]

please tell me rebuke's passive tree is getting a look at

its fun having it as the unspec-ed wonder but a lot of its nodes are just meh

[chrome basalt]

Imagine, you automatically terrify-ignite anything in close range, but if you get close enough it slows them and if you move on top of them you devour them into your aperture and then fuel your burning terror aura more. Like a void beast

[coarse swallow]

I'm not aware of any current set mechanical rebuke changes. But I can record it into my feedback. We're mainly focusing on skills that are underperforming, and rebuke does see a fair bit of use, even if it's not the best skill tree out there. So it's just been lower priority for mechanical changes.

[zinc blaze]

thats understandable

[zinc blaze]

for a more complete feedback, my point is more at rebuke's small offense branch (Wildfire shell, Singed shield, Unforge, Lingering aliments)

those 4 nodes are just very meh

[vale drum]

I would also like to theory craft an engineer or alchemist. 😄

[zinc blaze]

5 points for 1 ignite a second while channeling rebuke or 1 armor shred per second while channeling rebuke is wack

I wish there was something meatier there. I'm already standing still and not attacking to channel rebuke

[chrome basalt]

That sounds really fun actually, I have been looking for an excuse to play a forge guard

I have been thinking about terrify a lot too recently, trying to remember how it works, I know it doesn't on bosses but that is fine as I don't really want to cc them anymore lol

[coarse swallow]

I don't disagree that it's quite low. It's not that we don't agree, it just hasn't been a priority when other skills see little to no use. And I'm not sure a simple numerical change is what it needs without just making it super OP early. It needs new scaling mechanics in there imo.

[zinc blaze]

I 100% understand its not a priority, I just wanted to make sure I gave a complete view of my feedback

the actual defensive branches of it are solid

[vale drum]

I would LOVE to see more interactions between skills. This is a wild example but imagine playing with a friend who has toss oild skill that slows and your friend plays a fire build and you can lit the oil on fire etc or even use the environment to a degree for some extra tiny tiny damage.

[zinc blaze]

rebuke's defensive branches do have a funny bell curve where their useful early, not really needed mid game then useful again in the late game with really high corruption

[coarse swallow]

We've discussed this before, and it has two major problems:

1. What if your friend's build doesn't want the nature of their ability changed, as it's not beneficial for them?
2. This becomes extremely hard to balance for single player vs. multiplayer.

It's a really cool theme of a mechanic, but it has two large hangups.

[zinc blaze]

shout out to the healing hands node that lets you not mess up low life ward builds

[vale drum]

Yea. That is what I am trying to figure out as well. I am thinking maybe it ignites automatically after X time but yes - still sort of forces players into roles.

I think Nox for Gamecube had this mechanic but I digress

[coarse swallow]

When it comes to interacting with your own abilities, we've implemented some similar "ability combos", but they tend to be much less popular requiring setup, when other skills can simply spam and move along. It requires a slower game to really work I think.

[chrome basalt]

I remember that game Nox on PC if its what I am thinking of the little knights fighting pvp from above

[zinc blaze]

imo role based team comps should stay away from games where the average person plays it solo, its not ever gonna be balanced between solo and group if you add cross character synergies like that

[vale drum]

Yea. It was an amazing game. Overlooked and a bit of a hidden gem imo

[chrome basalt]

Anytime I tried to play arpg with friends its like, whoevers char is stronger teleports faster and deletes screens faster lol it wasn't fun grouping in them outside of people powerlevelling eachother through campaign faster or whatever

[vale drum]

Definitely! Most consoles have struggled with couch play etc

barring mario kart and mario party 😄

[coarse swallow]

gauntlet legends was the only arpg to do it. But it was designed for arcade, so demanded that be a feature, haha.

[zinc blaze]

co-op games need to be balanced from the ground up for co-op to work well

like skyrim together is a fun mod for co-op skyrim... having two people makes the game stupidly easy

[chrome basalt]

there was a really interesting game I am unsure if it was really that popular but I loved it. It was a mod for halflife called Natural Selection, and it basically had a team of marines versus aliens, and the aliens mutated and evolved themselves and their hives, but the human marines, one player sat in a command seat and went top down strategic view while the others stayed first person. You could almost do that, have someone look down strategically dropping things like shrines to try and help the other person etc. or something crazy. Like an arena where one person places defences to slow stuff down or whatever and the other farms if you wanted to actually multiplayer in weird ways. But its practically a completely different game then isnt it lol.

[zinc blaze]

plants vs zombies garden warfare had a role like that

same with hell let loose

commander roles are very fun, but also very hard to balance properly

[chrome basalt]

I always thought it was very cool, Natural Selection did it well but was obviously first person shooter not the same at all. But Dungeon Keeper had that sort of feel with this sort of perspective maybe moreso

[coarse swallow]

I tried natural selection, but unfortunately by the time I got to it the community was pretty... not nice, so I didn't get as much experience with it as I would have liked. Probably the competitive game I sunk the most hours into was gunzonline

[chrome basalt]

Manager Mode lol

Vampire Slayer was another mod I loved that was Asymmetric but not the same. I havent heard of gunzonline

[inner finch]

Bringing up Natural Selection here is kind of interesting....

[chrome basalt]

Im rambling, I should focus on my Nemesis, they are refusing to give me anything I want tonight lol

[vale drum]

I loved NS! I was there for Gloom that sort of birthed Natural Selection

[inner finch]

The only reason i said that is bc Subnautica lol

[vale drum]

I started building a remake in UE5 for Gloom and I guess an extension of Natural Selection.

I got some classes working and feeling great

[chrome basalt]

What is Gloom? I tried to google it and found a hilarious sounding card game I sort of want now

[vale drum]

Haha! Yea. Not quite!

Basically a Quake 2 mod or more of a total conversion that pittec humans against aliens. Each side built bases spawners and defenses by specialiced classes and then you had other classes who tried to prevent the other team from building. It was revolutionary at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6xNPTG_GdU

You cant really find any trailers etc but gameplay is still around and the community have been waiting 10 years for a remake or whatever

You kill members of the opposite team which earns you "frags" which you can use to purchase other classes with their own skills etc.

[coarse swallow]

Wow, thanks to the nostalgia trip I just found out Gunz is coming back.... Time to lose what little cartilage I have left in my finger joints!

[vale drum]

AI will find a solution to that, eventually

[chrome basalt]

I use an orthopedic mouse I have no idea why all mice aren't like this

[vale drum]

You have one that is shaped like a joystick, almost?

[coarse swallow]

Nah, Gunz' whole thing is how insanely mechanically intensive it is. It's "the" game for mechanical skill expression. There's no getting around the carpel tunnel, it's half the fun!

But that's also the reason we included controller support in LE, is from years of joint destroying games, haha.

[vale drum]

Im glad you did! Accessability has been such a fringe topic in games for too long but now with all the easier to use APIs etc it makes it way easier for devs to implement all different controllers. Back in diablo 1 a controller would have been seen as near impossible of a, controller

[chrome basalt]

I tried to play a Nintendo Switch once before I realised it wasn't designed for people with normal sized hands. But controllers are pretty good I do like them a lot. I should probably try one on this

[vale drum]

When I worked for 2K we had a lot of very sick kids in the studios that were terminally ill etc so it really opened my eyes as a designer to something I hadn't even considered before so now I keep that in mind when designing puzzles etc

[coarse swallow]

I know that pain, that's why I always prefer the xbox controller, nice and beefy.

[chrome basalt]

On the commodore 64 I felt like most games were designed to break your joystick by making you violently wiggle it as fast as you can or mash the buttons as fast as you could. They have come a long way over the years to what we have now lol

[vale drum]

I recall a game like this on the C64. 😄

[strange umbra]

same - I never use Joycons haha

[chrome basalt]

the pro controller I bought my gf drives me INSANE with the whole, A/B B/A thing on other controllers lol

I tried to borrow it for steam once and was like wtf I never noticed this before, Nintendo are technically the right way, but it feels like its backwards now because xbox ruined me at some point or something

[zinc blaze]

I love my switch pro controller

[zinc star]

When (if ever) will the game come to Xbox? I have several friends who only game on Xbox who if I want to ARPG with I have to play Diablo and POE2 which are inferior games to LE

[chrome basalt]

Why did that last loot lizard have the name Iggy instead of Overburdened Lizard? I have never noticed a name on one before

Property of Golden Corsairs I think it said

[chrome basalt]

Well he certainly popped

[granite kindle]

is this game still gonna be updated ?

[zinc blaze]

Yes the next update/season is in March

[south moat]

@magic skiff Stop sending me friend invites.

You'd imagine that when I denied the first one you would've got it

[inner finch]

Loved that pfp

Totally reliable

[south moat]

Aye

[chrome basalt]

Hello sir, I am calling to tell you there is a pigeon in your bank account and we need your details to go in and get it out

[chrome basalt]

lizard in your bank account would have been so much more convincing now you mention it

[primal abyss]

Greetings!

[south moat]

Hello there Van

[primal abyss]

Howdy! Hope the day is going well for yoooou

[south moat]

It is
Waiting on delivery though so that's annoying

Feel like I can't do much until it's here
Hope you're doing well

[willow sentinel]

👋

[south moat]

Hey vlad

[willow sentinel]

Not asking how your day is going but happy its going mostly good 😄

I am starting my first SCF

Ill even do offline to see if there is any difference

[south moat]

Good luck

[primal abyss]

OOOO

Heck yeah.

Good luck!

[willow sentinel]

Lvling loot filter done xD

[south moat]

Ah sweet, package ready for pickup

[primal abyss]

Oh Loot filter how you're appreciated

[willow sentinel]

Pog

Got my daily ranked win in lol

Can go back to LE now

[primal abyss]

Oof. You're playing a dangerous game, Vlad

One does not simply get a daily ranked Win and walk away unscathed. Are you okay? 😆

[willow sentinel]

I got my butt handed to me in my top lane by a super good Garen

But my Samira Botlane went 10/0 in like 10 min

So it was a pretty chill game overall

[primal abyss]

That's scary. Welp, Heck yeah for actual CARRIES

[willow sentinel]

I know right

I have been playing pretty good the last few games

[primal abyss]

Don't jinxz yourself

I need to get back to it for the season

[willow sentinel]

Oops forgot to send the second part of that thought ^^

[willow sentinel]

Feels to get carried when you drop the ball ^^

What do you play Van ?

In league I mean

[primal abyss]

Let's pop in #📚┃off-topic

[turbid silo]

A good day to all

[south moat]

Hello there Derrick

[turbid silo]

How's your day nub

[south moat]

Good, good
Got a new SSD so now in the process of moving a bunch of games there
If I had actually good internet I'd just uninstall & reinstall and it would probably be faster but alas, internet

[carmine smelt]

rip alll the money, sad SSD prices

[south moat]

Tbh it wasn't as expensive as I thought
but still more than I would've liked

[primal abyss]

Howdy Derrick!

[turbid silo]

We always love a new SSD!

Hey Van!

[south moat]

Don't love the price though

[turbid silo]

Oh was it pricey?

How big was it

[south moat]

2tb, 200€

[turbid silo]

Oh dang

[south moat]

But it was only 70€ more than 1tb so I decided to go for it

[primal abyss]

Anytime you get an upgrade for the PC and it works with no issues... I imagine Thanos putting an infinity stone in his gauntlet

[south moat]

Tbh I first forgot that you need to do formatting & stuff to it because it's been so long time since I put in a new drive to the pc

[main frigate]

which meme is it

[primal abyss]

Thanos putting a stone in his infinity Gauntlet is the meme

check it out

[main frigate]

Iron Man, Thor, the Hulk and the rest of the Avengers unite to battle their most powerful enemy yet -- the evil Thanos. On a mission to collect all six Infinity Stones, Thanos plans to use the artifacts to inflict his twisted will on reality. The fate of the planet and existence itself has never bee… MORE
Release date: April 23, 2018 (USA)
Directors: Anthony Russo, Joe Russo
Story by: Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Jim Starlin
Sequel: Avengers: Endgame
Running time: 2h 29m
Budget: 316 million USD (2018)
oh.

[inner finch]

capeslop

i mean uhhh, fan favorite hollywood cinema, yeah

[primal abyss]

That's the overview of a movie one of many lol

[turbid silo]

Masters of the Universe 👌

[chrome basalt]

I really need to rewatch that movie. Wasn't Dolph Lundgren He-Man in that one?

[turbid silo]

The original one, yeah

[primal abyss]

That unlocked a core memory I didn't realize I needed....

[strange umbra]

good morning Travelers 🙂

[primal abyss]

Hello Muffin

[south moat]

Gm Muffin

[steep mango]

I saw a ping here, where'd it go?

[south moat]

It was a ping from EHG that one of the dev accounts got hacked, reminder to be wary of what links you get in private messages etc
It was removed because the dev got the account back

[steep mango]

Oh, okay... Thanks.

[wicked wolf]

do we have any info when the new season will come?

[south moat]

march 26th

[wicked wolf]

ty very much

[mint mortar]

Hi does anyone know if we are able to data mine LE files and memory blocks to create something like POB?

[south moat]

Not allowed according to ToS

[turbid silo]

New Season is March 26th. You can check out more details about it here and we have all the teasers we've released here too!

@wicked wolf for more details ^

[main frigate]

3 days ago? Make sense that I never see that

https://forum.lastepoch.com/uploads/default/original/3X/8/1/81ad3869cf11bcab3257e8004cd88a25b7aed493.jpeg
hhhhhhh 🤔 It mean EHG immerse in developing many stellar-relevant mtx recently?

[south moat]

shattered bromens

[lean berry]

I would guess this is basically what Dammitt does with LETools, which is widely used and accepted by EHG. I don't know how else you would pool together that much data on the game.

[south moat]

Yes some people have permission

[lean berry]

I will say, this does seem like an extremely oppressive clause in the EULA that I imagine hurts the game more than it actually helps:

You will not, in whole, in part, or under any circumstances, do the following:
...
(xii) reverse engineer, decompile, or **disassemble **the Website, Materials, and/or Services.

I'll be honest, I don't check EULAs before I open a binary in Ghidra or attempt at all to reverse engineer an executable or file format. The idea that a EULA is setting rules on how I can read a file on my own disk seems almost absurd.

Not saying I've ever done this for LE, but just that it's not a thought that goes through my mind.

That said, I've looked over the file structure of LE and I know enough to reverse engineer it if I wanted to, since it's just a Unity IL2CPP game.

"You will not reverse engineer the website" gives off the same weird vibes as when certain people in government were upset that people could just read the HTML. This clause effectively says "You may not use 'View Page Source' on the LE website"

[main frigate]

what your understanding of story happened in Eterra is?

[honest belfry]

much of it hasn't been released yet. I've worked alongside Kyle, who wrote the story, and we have a few things coming in the future that will answer all of your story questions

[mint mortar]

I found the tool but not sure if we can share so a quick search on reddit had the answer

[steep river]

There's one being worked on if you wanted to contribute https://github.com/Musholic/LastEpochPlanner some details https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1m7bq4t/last_epoch_planner_v070_a_new_name_blessing/

[main frigate]

......:( (I guess Derrick asked you for help)
Wick, I need assets from eterra to release my imagination now, so it's extreme unfortunate to hear that.

[honest belfry]

No, I answered because I've worked directly with the writer

[main frigate]

Ok then I still want to hear Derrick's opinions because he have chances to touch with Kyle

[honest belfry]

Derrick hasn't had many opportunities to work with Kyle in the time he's been here. Both have been busy in their respective departments. sorry

[main frigate]

It's fine. He must read Le's story while he played le.

[turbid silo]

Saw my name mentioned, and not sure what the question is 😄

[strange umbra]

chunky or smooth PB

[turbid silo]

Ah yeah, I can't reveal any other details about the story that aren't already available

[turbid silo]

Smooth

Like me

😄

[strange umbra]

You may continue being my friend

[turbid silo]

and my bald head

[honest belfry]

Chunky for cookies, smooth for sammiches

[strange umbra]

ill allow it - you narrowly avoid making an enemy this day

[honest belfry]

I'll take that chance

[main frigate]

what your understanding of story happened in Eterra is? Based on current info

[main frigate]

Wick told me this point already

[zinc blaze]

this person made a story so far forum post (its updated to 1.3)

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/spoiler-the-entire-story-of-last-epoch-so-far/61108

[main frigate]

Near where Eterra’s Temple fell a city called Welryn was formed which eventually became a prominent place for scholars who used the knowledge in the temple to learn magic and such. This is where the Mage and Acolyte players are from.

Make sense that it's the first map jumped in my mind while I want to do fan art

Spells!

[zinc blaze]

One day we will get to go to divine era Welryn

[chrome basalt]

lol burning spriggan log fire minions brilliant

those omen hoard expanding circles sound fun

[muted cape]

Saving that for a future friday eh?

[main frigate]

lol good idea, indeed

he must save that for friday stream

I never see any teasers about story so it's fresh

[broken siren]

wow i just discovered stun. i didnt think it was too great but its making shade of orobyss not attack me lmao

[wicked wolf]

ty ver much for the answer
im looking forward to season 4

[obtuse bay]

I am looking for more color on lizards

[carmine flame]

im wondering since we are so late into the season and usually market in arpg is not very active anymore, is it better to go for the ssf faction anyway?

[short vessel]

yeah

[carmine flame]

i see ntoed

[chrome basalt]

I wish there was a Masque at the actual end of tombs to buy woven echos from in case like me you forget to check how many you have before you run one

[primal abyss]

Hiyas Travelers

[heady night]

Ayo boyo

[primal abyss]

How's it goin?

[south moat]

Hello there Van

[main frigate]

What will be the first thing you do, and how will you manage the 1st hour after getting up?
@primal abyss

[primal abyss]

Howdy all~

[primal abyss]

Make sure you all have not broken something

Get Water, prepare my walking pad and see what's new

[main frigate]

what walking pad is

[south moat]

No broken bones here so far

[main frigate]

what can we break lol

[south moat]

a lot of things

[south moat]

walking pad is esentially a treadmill

[slow kraken]

is LE down?

[light widget]

down for me

[simple bison]

yep

[slow kraken]

rip

[main frigate]

lol what, we're broke something really?!

[fallen flint]

lol the one time i want to play in weeks

[opal parcel]

Same its been like 3 months I was like why not coming back 😄

[light widget]

back up for me now

[clever glacier]

eu serwer dont working

[main frigate]

oh wow it's an expensive tool...

[primal abyss]

Checking on it now

Who else having issues and what server?

[simple bison]

It's fine for me now

euw

[fallen flint]

euw

[primal abyss]

Thanks. Yeah. I assume it was a small hiccup if no more incidents but will monitor stuff so yes, let me know if things act up

See? I jinx'd it

[night marten]

100% your fault

[primal abyss]

I will take this one, I can't even make that argument

this is why we don't test fate

Not like everyone who plays the lottery today will win or anything

That's me manifesting my luck for you all

[fallen flint]

Still not going for me... euw LE-65 code xD

[maiden sky]

Ohhh so today we can Julra and “let fate decide” with extraaaa luck??? 😬

[fallen flint]

heh now i'm in... lets see how long 😄

[main frigate]

These hiccup always let me worried about if the online experience can as smooth as offline

[primal abyss]

Whew. 🤞

[hushed dew]

Salut tout le monde

[south moat]

Hello Daniel
Please keep it in English 🙂

[chrome basalt]

I did get disconnected from EUW and was wondering why I couldn't log back in but was afk writing a long suggestion. That ultimately led to me working out a big adaptation to my build anyway by thinking out loud. I seem to need to externalize thoughts in order to actually think for some reason so I apologise for talking so much it is just a neccessary evil for me. Didn't realise it was actual server issues to report them as I was battling the AFK timer as usual anyway.

Fate and luck are extremely interesting words to collapse inwardly on. If you can isolate the noise, and watch things crystallize into existence from nothing it is the purest form of beauty I think.

[strange umbra]

@primal abyss EU should be good now 🙂

[primal abyss]

Muffin, ladies and gentlemen~ 👏

[strange umbra]

I am but the humble muffin messenger

[primal abyss]

May your Muffins all rise perfectly

Don't worry about it, AFK. Haha

[strange umbra]

rofl

[fallen flint]

i bow before da muffin 🙇‍♂️

[strange umbra]

[south moat]

hello there Muffin

[strange umbra]

mornin nub 🙂

[short vessel]

just ripped a 3lp double T7 slam 🙁

[strange umbra]

my condolences 🙁

[nova saffron]

any info on current server issues?

[primal abyss]

What issue are you having?

Book, that just means your luck is stacking up...somewhere

[nova saffron]

me and my friend got dcd from EU (as usual) half an hour ago, now a bunch of servers sometimes show as offline in main menu and constant disconnects from NA east

[chrome basalt]

I've been playing online EUW for a while now since that happened it seems to be fine

[primal abyss]

You and your friend still having this issue as of a minute ago?

We did have a very brief moment of a hiccup but should be resolved (if this was from earlier)

[chrome basalt]

Merciful chaos balancing the cruelty of order

[honest belfry]

Morning all

[primal abyss]

Good day, Wick

[turbid silo]

Good day everyone 🙂

[main frigate]

good, good (chewing a honey glazed chicken drum)

[primal abyss]

Greetings and Welcome Derrick!

[warped pivot]

newseason when?

[brazen wing]

In 10 minutes

[night marten]

march 26th, as stated in #news

[balmy arrow]

[brazen wing]

New season only one veteran's boots playthrough away..!

[balmy arrow]

[willow sentinel]

I wish it was a 1x1 idol that you put in the center, instead of a pair of boots

[zinc blaze]

True they should make it a body armor

[willow sentinel]

Should make it a 7 pieces set

[primal abyss]

All equipment slots lockout you say?

[zinc blaze]

it would be fun

death march campaign mode -> start the game with a full cursed veteran set of gear, this gear slightly scales with campaign zone but is worse than regular gear by a lot + you can't gain xp if your level is equal to or greater than the zone your in's level

[primal abyss]

I MEAN but can you put that in #suggestions THO?

hahaha

That sounds entertainingly miserable

[zinc blaze]

time to add its one life and if you win you get a cosmetic title + a hat

[brazen wing]

But make the title empty and the hat invisible to make the masochists even happier

[sturdy acorn]

Hey guys, just wanna ask, how come temporal sanctum's time shift has not been fixed yet? this big has been around ever since ts was introduced and seems to have gone rampant since season 2. I see all sorts of stuff and bugs being tended to on (granted rare) patches and hot fixes, yet the #1 endgame progressing mechanic is so broken, it effectively is a progress gate. all the while the keys are not that easy to come by to begin with. and I can not even find a word by the devs on it.

[simple bison]

What's the bug? Can't say I've ever encountered it

[sturdy acorn]

killing the boss can lose you the time shift ability, meaning you can't use the crafting station

[simple bison]

Huhhhhhhh

This is the first time I hear about it

[sturdy acorn]

had it happen on so many counts by now. also quick google search will confirm it is a thing

[simple bison]

Weird

[zinc blaze]

did you save any logs from it?

[simple bison]

Feels like it would be a way more discussed bug if it was commonplace so either it's quite rare or certain conditions have to be met for it

[sturdy acorn]

time shift disappearing based on interaction with:

• traversal skills
• boss kill
• death and respawn with key
• multiple abilities triggering at the same time as time shifting

[simple bison]

The only plausible one I can think of is dying and respawning with a key

The others wouldn't make sense with how it works

Would be great if there's a recording of it happening

[sturdy acorn]

if i knew how to record on steam deck xD

I travel a lot

[simple bison]

Ah gotcha. I might try to recreate it in a bit but yeah I've not once had it happen or even heard of it before now

So I can see how it would go under the radar for the devs too tbh

[sturdy acorn]

also another quick Google search just pointed out that this issue seems to be foremost present for offline characters. which happens to be me as I travel a lot and dont always have wifi

[simple bison]

Ahhhh

That could be it

[willow sentinel]

Ah

And I just started a scf Offline adventure 😭

[simple bison]

If at all possible try playing offline after launching into online and see if you can recreate it, if you do you'll be able to use the in game bug report tool to report it

[sturdy acorn]

I lost a solid fifty something keys at this point to aforementioned interactions. so I eventually lost my patience and decided to come here

[main frigate]

Oh unfortunately, I have experienced that too

Offline? Make sense

[simple bison]

I can try to recreate it myself in a bit like I said and if I can I'll make sure to report it too

Since offline bugs can be harder to track since a decent amount of the time people who play offline play full offline and can't use the bug report tool

[night marten]

shockingly, dont get a lot of bug reports from offline. lol

[simple bison]

Yea

[sturdy acorn]

you can 100% guarantee it by dying and using a key to respawn

[simple bison]

Gotcha, thanks

I can confirm this isn't the case in online

[main frigate]

Because offline is divide into offline and true offline, only offline can report bugs, which mean you still need internet and select different options when you launch le

[simple bison]

Yep

[main frigate]

True offline can play the game only

Which I think report bugs is quite troublesome

[sturdy acorn]

other than that, using multiple spells or triggering multiple spells passively.while shifting also does the trick but less reliable.
killing boss during timeshift frame also does it but super rare.
and lastly oneshotting during time shift or during boss kill effect can cause it too

[simple bison]

Yeah I'm not sure how the ability works in offline so what I said before doesn't apply

I was weirded out since I was assuming it was happening in online which most of those things wouldn't make any sense to trigger it in online

[main frigate]

lol 100% the same, interesting

[sturdy acorn]

I unfortunately initially when I came back to LE in season 3 was not aware that offline character means its offline period. does make sense tho in some regards. but I figured it'd be smartest when travelling for business and not having Internet. now my 200h voidknight suffers the consequences of my actions:(

[simple bison]

It's not like online is perfect without any bugs, so while this one does sound like it sucks I wouldn't say it was a mistake to go offline especially on a steam deck

[main frigate]

I guess I have reported that bug before? CM will know that 🤔

[night marten]

ik you are offline...but when is the last time you updated/verified the files?

[sturdy acorn]

but brotha, comin' by dem 🔑 and portal charms is so frustrating x.x

[sturdy acorn]

oh I am online frequently with the steam deck

[night marten]

aight

[sturdy acorn]

at the time of creating the character I just thought offline character would be smartest choice. as I know from other games sometimes online chars can only be played when you have a connection

anyway, thank you folks! please dont hesitate pinging me if you need more help with recreating it, or have any input/update on your findings

[main frigate]

@primal abyss Can you find my report history? I want to know if I reported that before 🤔

[simple bison]

Dont think that's doable if you mean on this discord

[main frigate]

No idea on discord or in-game report

[sturdy acorn]

oh also: what i reported applies to all areas in game, that grant temporary bonus abilities. it's just that besides temporal sanctum none of them you care about 😄

[simple bison]

Gotcha

[primal abyss]

Make sure if this ever happens to submit an in-game bug report so we can get all the information as well as steps to try replicating it. Off the top of my head it is new to me but safe > sorry

[main frigate]

Will username tie with bug reports they sent in history of in-game report tools?

#❔┃ask-the-community message
#❔┃ask-the-community message
Oh here we go! Yes the same bug

You're here already 👀

[sturdy acorn]

yeah, reported 5 months ago already 😄

will report next time it happens

I expect tomorrow 😂

[primal abyss]

Yes, please. We can report these via Discord but getting the utmost amount of info right as things happens in-game is the best bet. Sorry you've encountered this

[sturdy acorn]

no worries, thank you for actually responding btw

I appreciate it a lot

anything in particular I should know for reporting from steamdeck? cuz idk if logs or files are easily accessible if they are required

[main frigate]

you reported that 5 months ago?

[sturdy acorn]

no I meant the messages you linked 😄

my bad, I didn't properly communicate what I meant

[main frigate]

The issue is on EHG's side now. I guess I did a in-game report 5 months ago

[sturdy acorn]

|| @main frigate apologies for off topic, may I DM you? Just had a look at your Instagram and got a quick question||

[main frigate]

They were solving with a bug that no enter button from farsight turtle in campaign so they maybe ignore that

[main frigate]

No worries, you can ask me anything in #📚┃off-topic if you think this channel isn't a right place

I prefer public chat

[sturdy acorn]

absolutely understandable no worries. thats why I asked for permission instead of just sliding in ~

[boreal thistle]

i just finished campaign but im too weak to clear anything

not sure what to do at this point

[willow sentinel]

The first monolith is way easier than the end of the campaign.
Lvl 56 for lvl 70 smth in the campaign

You should be able to start the monolith

Also if you want, I can have a look into your character and help you

Before empower the game is not very challenging, you may have made a few mistakes in your build

[main frigate]

An epoch is an instant in time chosen as the origin of a particular calendar era. Every era you travel to is just at the end of its era, when it is about to become the next era. It's why this game calls last epoch.

🤔

Love the community.

[sturdy acorn]

reported just now 🙂

also oddly enough just now I also realised, after dying and respawning using a key in TS, the boss is "reset" to base stats instead of the stats of the selected level when entering TS. which is hella weird.

(also included that in the ig report)

hope its fixed tomorrow? ||I am joking||

[willow sentinel]

Does it also set the slam machine to t1 too?

[sturdy acorn]

the what?

[willow sentinel]

The eternity cache

[sturdy acorn]

wouldn't know, since timeshift is lost i can't use it

[willow sentinel]

Ah

[sturdy acorn]

rewards stay at the chosen tier tho

[willow sentinel]

Do you get boss uniques according to the chosen tier too?

[sturdy acorn]

I did get sun dials, the ring, so I believe so

(lvl 100)

[willow sentinel]

Ring is t1+ reward

[sturdy acorn]

hmmmm

then rewards are reset too

rewards as in drops / loot tables

boss hp stays at the same % tho, when respawning, as it was when you died.

[hoary pawn]

The bug is already fixed if you play HC 😉

[sturdy acorn]

not quite a good joke but I appreciate the attempt xD

[molten linden]

Whoever goes to Uber Abbey, we'll split the loot.

[inner finch]

How fast can you kill Ubbey?

[molten linden]

40-50sec

[heady night]

One more day till potential teasersss!

I need my fix!

[primal abyss]

ok thank you

[primal abyss]

Howdy everyone!

[willow sentinel]

👋

[primal abyss]

Realized we're supposed to get more "winter weather"

That's gonna be fun

How are you Vlad and folks?

[willow sentinel]

Good and yourself

?

Went on a hike and had picnic with the wife

Now chilling and waiting for my duoQ to show up ^^

[main frigate]

duoQ?

[willow sentinel]

My gaming partner in League of Legend

[south moat]

Hey Van & vlad

[primal abyss]

Doing alright! Howdy Kirra, nub

Good luck in your matches and may salt only reach your worse enemies

[sturdy acorn]

fix when? 😄

lmk if and what additional information you need for our internal report pipeline

I am currently on my way home so might be able to record some stuff of it

[sturdy acorn]

ps this was a joke, just in case, I know these things take time, and likely it wouldn't even be remotely near high priority, considering it affects "only" offline

[primal abyss]

I can't say as there are alot of factors with this but you've only just submitted it and it will need proper investigation for it. A video could be helpful as well

The client is up to date, eventhough you play offline?

[sturdy acorn]

ikik dw
should be able to get you one. where to send it to tho, and do you have any internal tracker number for me to add to it so it can be asigned correctly

[sturdy acorn]

it should be

[primal abyss]

I'd say submit a ticket to support with your details so they can work alongside the team to see what's going on

With the video, of course

[sturdy acorn]

again, I am not playing offline offline most of the time. I just didn't know better when I created that character, else I would have used online, especially cuz offline has no access to bazaar which I did not know either at the time 😄

[primal abyss]

Weird question, has this happened to an online character?

[sturdy acorn]

id have to create one and test when I am home

[primal abyss]

Alright, if you manged to do that just let me know (and update the ticket) as there is limited amount of support I can provide

[sturdy acorn]

but based on what @simple bison said, if I understood correctly, he could not replicate with online character

[primal abyss]

Right, so it might be just this character or your offline

[sturdy acorn]

with offline it is 100% replicable by dying and using a key to retry

[primal abyss]

You can also submit a modmail with details

[simple bison]

Yeah I highly suspect this is an offline only bug

[sturdy acorn]

its offline more likely than the character itself, I have another ravager build where this happened too

[primal abyss]

Gotcha. Yeah, this def sounds like a wonky offline bug

[sturdy acorn]

where/how i do that?

[simple bison]

Dm @grand geyser

[sturdy acorn]

ohhh

aight gotcha

boarding time

[primal abyss]

Safe travels

[sturdy acorn]

will see what I can get tomorrow and come back to you 🙂

thank you, much appreciated

[primal abyss]

no rush or worries. np your patience is appreciated

[sturdy acorn]

not my first rodeo ;D

[willow sentinel]

Offline mode > Has pause and you can use traversal in town

So nice

[south moat]

aye

[sturdy acorn]

online has bazaar tho, which can help a lot when drops are meh

still need a 2h axe with t7 void damage, mana + mana regen, attack speed, and void penetration. for my l4 :x

btw can someone tell me which is more beneficial, shred or pen?

[zinc blaze]

go to tunk lab (its pinned in the class specific chats) and use its armor calculator -> theres a armor shred caclulator in that so you can see the %more damage it gives you

roughly tho for void dmg 40 stacks = 40% more dmg (99% of enemies have 0 armor), same with pen so whichever is a bigger %more dmg go for that (tho ideally get both)

[sturdy acorn]

gotcha thank you

which applies first btw, shred or pen?

or is that irrelevant for the calculation

[zinc blaze]

They both interact with the defense of the guy your hitting so good question, but that doesn't really matter because their all multiplicative with each other

100 dmg * 1.2 (20%) pen * 1.4 (40%) shred is the same as 100 dmg * 1.4 * 1.2

[sturdy acorn]

well if they are strictly multiplicative you are correct. but if they are sequentially multiplicative it is highly relevant

wait they are both percent? isn't one of them flat or am I hallucinating

[zinc blaze]

I'd be surprised if that was ever the case given the dmg formula is

(base dmg + flat dmg) * (increased 1 + increased 2...) * (more 1) * (more2) * (more3)....

[zinc blaze]

armor shred stacks reduce a flat amount of armor, however, enemies (99% of the time) have 0 armor so it gives them negative armor which makes them take a %more damage

[sturdy acorn]

hmm

[night marten]

you do only want so much armor shred(generally 80-100 stacks), since it eventually flattens. pen is just always more

[zinc blaze]

yeah negative armor curves the same as positive armor

[tropic peak]

hey I am currently in the Lightless Arbor boss fight and I dont have the burning amber, it disappeared when I loaded into the final chamber, and nothing happens when I press D, is there any way I can get it back? or do I have to lose progress and reload the game?

[sturdy acorn]

offline character?

[tropic peak]

yes

[sturdy acorn]

hahahaha

yeah, having the same issue in some endgame content

[night marten]

thats weird. but if the 'd' button doesnt work. yeah, you are going to have to restart

[sturdy acorn]

@primal abyss

[zinc blaze]

dang thats two people with a bug I've never seen before

[night marten]

@primal abyss just for eyes since its a thing currently i guess

[tropic peak]

damn, thanks for the quick answer

[sturdy acorn]

did you by any chance die and respawn using a key

[tropic peak]

yes

[night marten]

offline is just weird bro. lol

[sturdy acorn]

aren't I a wizard

but yeah you gotta restart. if you die, sorry to say, dont use a key to respawn in ANY of the three dungeons that grant you a specific ability

the respawn in offline unfortunately bricks you at the moment

[willow sentinel]

Never touched MG, I hate trade

I have always played CoF

Like RNjesus intended

[tropic peak]

thanks for the info : )

[primal abyss]

Also please submit an in-game bug report if you can

[tropic peak]

how?

[primal abyss]

via F8

[zinc blaze]

RNjesus, who art in loot, hallowed be thy drops...

🎁

I do love that is still here

[south moat]

I'm surprised it's still here tbh

[zinc blaze]

spam him while ya can

[simple bison]

Ehg is that person who keeps their Christmas tree around far too long

[main frigate]

🤫 Don't remind Kain to do that

I wish Christmas last all year.

[acoustic palm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo6NH3ZY0pA a new arpg on the market

some monsters remind me of LE

[strange umbra]

good morning Travelers 🙂

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/oLpo.gif

[willow sentinel]

In the star we trust

Fate shall provide plentiful loot

[south moat]

Gm Muffin

[primal abyss]

Hello Muffin

A trip to Candy Mountain?

[south moat]

I could go for some candy tbh

[main frigate]

You're on the trip to that?

[strange umbra]

lol

[strange umbra]

but see fate has to smile on you for MG too! The difference is that fate smiling on you with something rare for a build/class you're not playing can be turned into an item you actually want/need lol 😛

[turbid silo]

Morning has flown by today that's for sure. How're folks doing?

[south moat]

Don't worry about it

[zinc blaze]

screaming that my code is doing exactly what I tell it to do

[sturdy acorn]

how well has that been faring for you thus far

[zinc blaze]

🎉

I fixed like 4 big bugs

probably made more bugs but thats future me's problem

[night marten]

80 bugs found.
fix 1 bug.
99 bugs found.
repeat forever.

[turbid silo]

Oof, I've been there before haha

[south moat]

screams of joy, surely

[zinc blaze]

the classic mix of

• I'm a genius!
• I'm a fool!

[south moat]

I'm a genius
Oh no

[zinc blaze]

sick if I use recursion here I can save a lot of time

ah beans its infinitely looping (and I gave myself no way to manually stop the program) because i changed something else

[sturdy acorn]

there is always an emergency plug available

[zinc blaze]

indeed

tho I use the power button, yanking the power cord can break stuff

[main frigate]

what are you plan to eat for lunch?

[turbid silo]

Uhmm, not sure yet, my girlfriend usually whips something together. Probably chorizo breakfast burritos. (I don't eat breakfast)

so it's usually my lunch

[main frigate]

Oh unlock a new way to use tortilla (No idea how western people use them before)

[night marten]

yo there is a mexican place around me that has some amazing chorizo breakfast burritos. love em

[zinc blaze]

burritos or wraps *mostly

how do you use a tortilla Kirra

[turbid silo]

Tortillas can be used for so much 😄

[zinc blaze]

yee

[main frigate]

For example?

[zinc blaze]

pita bread is just a deep dish burrito

[main frigate]

Just don't use that

[turbid silo]

Burritos, quesadillas, wraps

[zinc blaze]

ah

[main frigate]

what difference between burritos and wraps?

[turbid silo]

Burritos are always warm, wraps can be either

warm or cold

[night marten]

you can also use them in baked dishes too. i sometimes make a 'taco lasagna' with multiple meats seperated by a layer of tortillas

i also use them for sandwich wraps...they toast better for like turkey and swiss

[main frigate]

Oh then burritos is the best. No meat with cheese taste good when cold.

[zinc blaze]

burriots are normally bean/rice/meat based

wraps are a regular sandwich just in a tortilla

[night marten]

can also make some nice personal sized thin crust pizzas too

[zinc blaze]

true

[main frigate]

Van: Let me see any burritos available... I want to eat

I think his burritos must different from my imagination

[south moat]

#💬┃general message

Try the thing in that message

[brittle jay]

offtopic question but trying poe1, is there any build similar to umbral blades falconer?

[willow sentinel]

Try in #📚┃off-topic

[fallow plover]

I posted in #💀┃acolyte but it doesn't seem to have very high traffic. Is there anyone willing and or able to help with my current build?

[primal abyss]

Hello and welcome! I will say that sometimes there are peak times for some folks but give it some time as folks in that section are usually really really awesome with info/help.

Now if it is a certain kind of build for Acolyte, I'd totally humor you I'm not an acolyte player by any means but here nonetheless

[turbid silo]

Happy to provide some help, tips, etc.

[fallow plover]

That's wonderful!

[turbid silo]

What kind of build are you going for?

[fallow plover]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/

That's what I'm following right now

[turbid silo]

That's just the planner, do you have a build already made on there?

[fallow plover]

Sorry

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/warlock-leveling-guide

[turbid silo]

Gotcha, and how far along are you

We can move this to the #💀┃acolyte channel too

[fallow plover]

Sure

[half quartz]

the shift bonus damage nodes are not showing up on tooltip (Braskula's Hesitation). Is this a tooltip issue, or are the nodes still bugged?

[simple bison]

Could very well be working but just not show up

Should be easy to test vs dummies

[devout siren]

It's true that the game has changed hands?

[willow sentinel]

Not really no

It still being developped by EHG

[lament basalt]

anyone else have issues where if you log out, next time you login you are no where near where you ended in the mono? usually spits me out at the observatory or something

[willow sentinel]

Its not an issue

You go back to the latest town visited

[lament basalt]

interesting, i would think there would be a way to have you stay in the mono or near the mono you were last in or working on

[night marten]

Pretty sure everything outside of hubtowns is instanced and go away when you log out. So you gotta load into something that actually exists first

[south moat]

That is correct

[devout siren]

I haven't moved from my place for two months, same HP, same attack, where's the mistake?

I think other players have it too, do you enjoy it at all without any progression?

[willow sentinel]

Like you plyed the same character for 2 months and havent had any upgrade ?

[devout siren]

yes 100%

[night marten]

i mean at some point every character is going to reach the realistic limit of its curve. sure you can try to compare to some 4lp perfect rolled triple t7 nonsense but those are unrealistic to drop ever

at some point the gains are too small to really matter

and thats EVERY arpg

[devout siren]

I don't have any of the 3LP stuff except the ring and shoes.!!!!!!

[night marten]

each uniques 3lp rate is different

the fact you have multiple is already in that .00001% area

[devout siren]

It seems to me that corruption 1000, used to drop quite often, things for 3lp, now corruption 3000+, almost nothing, just garbage, if I have to stand still without any development, the game is pointless

[night marten]

the difference in drop rate between 1k and 3k is barely anything

there is no threshold you get to magically get only high lp items to drop

and they are developing the game. the even announced s4 date months ago. lol

[devout siren]

I'm not interested in 4 LPs, I'm interested in at least some progress, at least sometimes 3 LPs in 5 days, even if it doesn't work out in the end anyway.

[lean berry]

Guess you gotta grind. But it sounds like you're saying the rate feels unreasonable, but that's always going to be a subjective thing.

[devout siren]

If it has the same character as now, I won't play it.

[night marten]

i mean...you control your character...you dont have to play the same one you know

alts exist

[viral marsh]

Most items you want realistically is 2LP items, 3 is more of a stretch. (Depending on item)
You can look up how likely it is for one to drop on LEtools

[devout siren]

I didn't come here to spend my life, but I came to relax and play the game.

[devout siren]

I've been playing the game since the beginning. How it came about, I know how things often fall apart.

[lean berry]

It's normal and valid to feel a sense of entitlement towards a particular outcome after you've invested what feels like significant time and effort into a character. It's okay if you've peaked and cannot progress any further and if that means the game is no longer fun it's also perfectly fine to just put the game aside until something new interests you. Personally I don't think a character should be entitled to min-maxed 3LP gear just because it's two months old.

[night marten]

yes...its a game...its not designed to spend your life here. that is correct

[lean berry]

You can always make a suggestion, perhaps gauge what other people think about it to see if you're out of touch with the game's audience.

[devout siren]

I don't have a single 3 LP except for the shoes and the ring until the end of the 1 LP relic

[night marten]

2 3lp items is already better gear than most people have

[stoic frigate]

Join me in the surprisingly niche stance that infinite corruption is bad for the game's health.

[night marten]

lol

[devout siren]

A person comes here to play for two hours a day and it's absolutely nothing.

[night marten]

yeah man...some people only have a few hours to play a day.

the game isnt their life

and thats ok

[lean berry]

I think LE (especially for the price) has a lot of value to offer someone who can only play two hours a day, but also nothing is ever so black and white. Different people have different expectations for what they want to get out of those two hours and late endgame isn't the only part of the game that's fun.

[stoic frigate]

LE is lucky if I put in 20 hours a season now tbqh. Just no motivation for it between bugs, performance, and my personal expectations of handling not being met.

[lean berry]

True, I think it has some bigger issues that more of the community can agree on.

[tawny spire]

was it march for next season?

[willow sentinel]

26th

Yes

[tawny spire]

okay I knew it was after birthday couldnt remember

[main frigate]

First time to see a CM manager discuss warlock build with players.

The shame is I can't see more on Derrick's understandings about warlock because he must go back to work

[main frigate]

You must misunderstand something. Poe always being a popular topic in #📚┃off-topic

You just need to ask your questions there

[obtuse bay]

If you don't have any questions, you can always join to lizard gang

[main frigate]

......Thanks, but no :)
I like Grogery only

[obtuse bay]

kirra is cool

[main frigate]

The story is like... a is a, b is b, c is c, d is d, c interact with a suddenly, a have a relationship with d suddenly, d is c's leader suddenly, so a is c, c is d, b is c at last

What is what is what I think the most

[severe socket]

More like the only topic. 🙂 Might as well just rename the channel to seal the deal.

[cedar agate]

Have we gotten a date for season 4 yet?

[willow sentinel]

March 26th

[severe socket]

I think this needs to be pinned.

[willow sentinel]

#news message

[severe socket]

Then again, who reads the pins anyway. 😅

[willow sentinel]

Because people read pinned messages and announcement in #news

[cedar agate]

I dont, lol

But thats also to far, I need something to play sooner

[severe socket]

Understandable.

[obtuse bay]

Have a nice day

[willow sentinel]

It is far away

I just hope it will be good

[severe socket]

Keeping my expectations six feet under just in case.

Though there are cases when "no hype = no disappointment" ends up morphed into "no hype = still disappointed AF".

In general.

[obtuse bay]

this is interesting perspective, at least you are ready for any outcomes

[severe socket]

Been through a couple.

So speaking from experience in a sense.

Again, I'm not talking about LE. Or just about LE. Just in general.

[obtuse bay]

@balmy arrow

[primal abyss]

Howdy~!

[heady night]

howdy! excited for dev stream day!

[primal abyss]

Heyas Ghost! I think folks are always excited for the dev stream and that's awesome to hear. Happy Friday

[south moat]

Hey Van, happy friday

[primal abyss]

Hii nub!!

Hope you're well

[south moat]

I'm good, thanks
Hope you're doing good too

[primal abyss]

I am. We're supposed to get more weather as early as tonight...and it's just like 🙃

[south moat]

More weather?

[turbid silo]

Happy Friday!

[primal abyss]

Happy Friday Derrick!

Yes, more "Snowy/Ice" and below freezing weather. The problem isn't that it..it's how folks react when it comes to storms sometimes. i.e stores being cleaned out because of people getting what they need + a lot more

[inner finch]

Fools... fools!

[south moat]

Ah, wonderful

[primal abyss]

We'll be fine, though. Downside of going to the market during the weekend is, well that

[round vector]

How do you guys find this game more fun than poe 2? So far I have not experinced any challenge or meaningful combat compared to poe 2 and poe 2 has cool abilities like bind spectre where u can summon any mob in the game.

[main frigate]

My choice is stop playing and wait them to cook more

[turbid silo]

They offer different depths of ARPG gameplay. A lot of people say that Last Epoch is a nice balance of complexity between like Diablo and PoE

[main frigate]

clever angle

[willow sentinel]

1. ^^^ This above me (what Derrick wrote)
2. I like a more relaxed hns. I don't really enjoy getting my butt handed to me because I sneezed while playing
3. There are too many hoops to go through and hurdles to jump in Poe (1 and 2). The most annoying one for me being constantly have to check if I have enough attribute

4. I don't like trade

[main frigate]

I can't say do I like trading or not because I still no idea how pros earn tons of currencies quickly

But more choices always better

[simple bison]

Get to content before others and farm the hell out of it to get uniques and other items that people need for their builds and then be pretty much the only seller of said items so you can set the price super high

Uber abby uniques are a prime example

[primal abyss]

Next season I'm going to try CoF. Wish me luck.

[simple bison]

I've played both and I prefer CoF, especially if you ever group with others

[main frigate]

hah? Van never play cof? Interesting

[simple bison]

but it also just feels better for me to farm towards my own items rather than farm for gold and then spend it on item

[main frigate]

Vice versa

[simple bison]

I'd say enjoyement can be build dependant though, if you're playing something super meta it's generally a worse time in MG than playing an off-meta build. And same for CoF with build that require very specific and hard to target farm items vs builds that don't require much to function

[main frigate]

so it's a speedrun about who is better on action skills and learn new mechanics faster. WELL make sense now

[simple bison]

pmuch

if you don't provide anything special to the market then the market won't reward you

Which is why mg isn't very "casual friendly"

[zinc blaze]

Cof because I can’t be assed to make a market filter

[simple bison]

you can obviously still play mg as a casual and get everything you want it just takes more time

[simple bison]

Valid lul

[primal abyss]

I'm usually one not to care for Meta and just have fun with what I find anyway. Sometimes I get ideas and using the Market is easier for me to try things

[main frigate]

poe 2 isn't casual at all because of that. It's why I think quite tiring to play that

[simple bison]

I played MG in season 1 and my build was laughably cheap to get items for because nobody else played it lul

we're talking 3lp for like 50k gold

[primal abyss]

That's great

[simple bison]

Yeah, mg is a great time if you're playing off-meta, even as a casual

it's basically the same as being the richest player but playing meta

Obviously even off-meta builds can have overlapping items with meta builds though so sometimes one item costs more than the rest of your build combined x)

[zinc blaze]

Cyborgs time of cheap spellblade gear is over with the spellblade buffs

🐟

[simple bison]

It's fine I'm a CoF enjoyer anyway

[zinc blaze]

Shush

[main frigate]

I wish I'm good at trading in poe 2 instead of le if it's the content I must play because I can lay in cof forever

[simple bison]

Trading in poe 2 isn't that bad, but it's the same gist as mg where you need to provide something of value

crafting can be pretty lucrative in poe 2

same as in poe 1, but not as complicated

[main frigate]

faction selection bring 1.0 to be the only golden cycle

[sweet moss]

when is the next season btw?

i thought it got announced but i forgot

[terse glen]

March 26th

[sweet moss]

noooo so longgg

[terse glen]

that feeling of chasing a lizard when playing judgement pally and they keep running out of the kill zone

[night marten]

playing the aura damage version?

the lizards basically always try to run directly away from damage...so you can herd them into walls and dead ends pretty easy

[terse glen]

aura is fine since you can just keep up with them, the non-aura version can have some cringe moments though 😛 but they're pretty easy to corner or stun yeah

it's fine though, I get my revenge on them when I swap to warpath later on

[strange umbra]

Good morning Travelers 🙂

[primal abyss]

Hello there, Muffin

[fiery violet]

Hopefully upcoming league won't suk

[night marten]

pretty sure thats true of every upcoming thing

dont think anyone is like "oh man i hope this next thing sucks"

[woven sentinel]

hey all long time no speak how goes it

named henry

[night marten]

[woven sentinel]

lmao

[turbid silo]

Come on Pvt.Vlad, this isn't appropriate.

[strange umbra]

[woven sentinel]

IT'S THE MUFFIN MAN

[median ore]

Can we get an extended soundtrack to buy/download? Lots of tunes not in the OST release.

[willow sentinel]

Sorry 😅😅
Got carried away

[zinc blaze]

Vlad why

[willow sentinel]

The vaccum cleaner was appropriate though 😅😁

[inner finch]

lol i think i know that gif, 10/10

[coral elm]

What information is available for new season

[honest belfry]

#news message

[simple bison]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/looking-ahead-in-last-epoch/80230

[zinc blaze]

Vaal corrupt your triple t7 exalt, no balls runes

I can’t wait to recklessly nuke my items

[south moat]

Can't wait to bait people into nuking their items

Mostly myself

[zinc blaze]

Nubs corrupt that item, no balls

[south moat]

I'm gonna use the rune on myself

[inner finch]

Purple stuff

[sharp tundra]

When do you all think the new season is going to drop?

[inner finch]

Considering EHG told us March 26th, what should we think

[zinc blaze]

My money is on March 26th… but due to timezones and a 2 hour delay it will be March 26th for me

[south moat]

Yes.

[main frigate]

But it still 26th 🤔

[fathom umbra]

Darn here I was thinking it was march 26th, not march 26th

[zinc blaze]

Timezones are a weird and wacky thing that fills me with unfathomable rage

[fathom umbra]

you sure you didn't mean 27th, or 25th, or... ?

that sentence reads a little wonky

[zinc blaze]

The joke was the update gets delayed by two hours, instead of this delaying it to the next day I’m just not gonna go to bed and play the update

[fathom umbra]

oh ok, I was like really confused, was wondering if there was some missing pretext

[zinc blaze]

I’ve been sitting in an airport for the last 8 hours I’m not gonna make much sense

[fathom umbra]

understandable sir have a good day

[south moat]

Ah, airport hell

[zinc blaze]

And this airport has one vending machine

[balmy arrow]

[graceful cedar]

Try 13 hour layover in Doha wanted to die

[turbid silo]

Developer Q&A Stream is now live on Twitch! https://www.twitch.tv/lastepochgame

[night marten]

Fists and crossbows Mike says. Interesting

[inner finch]

We're so not gonna get a hand to hand combat monk

[turbid silo]

Teasers just shared on the development stream showing a Rune of Corruption ruining an item after being slammed

One is the item before and after.

[night marten]

'ruined' he says. lol

[brazen wing]

So it changes the rolls of slams but not base stats?

[night marten]

Mike said this was one of many different outcomes

[brazen wing]

Ah

Thats nice

[night marten]

also said we would get a few more pics of the corrupted items i believe

[brazen wing]

Do the QnA vods stay up at twitch?

[night marten]

yeah, i think twitch vods have a few days delay

the YT vods are immediately up

assuming he is on YT...i remember there were some issues recently with it

[brazen wing]

Doesnt seem to be, thats fine though

[turbid silo]

Another teaser showing another outcome from Corruption!

We're going backwards now!

[night marten]

You know it'd be better for hype if you showed good outcomes 😛

[turbid silo]

Good things come tot hose that wait 😉

[inner finch]

[night marten]

absolutely not.

[inner finch]

Excite me, Mike

[night marten]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-how-i-want-it-now-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-i-need-it-now-i-dont-care-do-what-i-said-gif-21442817

[inner finch]

I beg of you

[night marten]

if its not an amazing item i will be entirely disappointed

well the third one is not exciting. 4th one needs to be good

[turbid silo]

Positive outcomes from Corruption 🙂

[inner finch]

Its so over...

[night marten]

those were very mild victories for gambling a 2lp nihilus

[inner finch]

I expected something truly build enhancing

not a mild carrot and stick added roll

I can't believe im saying it, but, at least something as significant as D4's sanctification

[autumn briar]

absolutely dogshit so far

[night marten]

i will hope that there are better outcomes, and that they just didnt want to spill the beans too much (tho incredibly disappointed with what was shown)

[inner finch]

There's still almost 2 months lol, lets try and push for it not to come out like this

[autumn briar]

everyone raging so far so need more of that

[night marten]

everyone is raging? really?

[rancid pulsar]

to play devil's advocate a bit I'd be really happy if a new mechanic didn't introduce a ridiculous level of powercreep for once

[inner finch]

Like, i get showing corruption effects, but if you wanna tease something... why that

[rancid pulsar]

so I'm happy if these are mild upgrades that you only really want to do in the super lategame

[night marten]

while i agree with power creep...idk if LE can do that

think a majority of player would just call it boring

[rancid pulsar]

well people are already calling LE boring so it's only up from here

[night marten]

eh

[night marten]

yeah, they were fairly underwhelming outcomes. i dont see myself gambling a 2lp nihilus for what was shown. again, hope there are some juicy ones they didnt want to spill the beans on

[inner finch]

Unless you like having 39% Crit chance reduced from your character sheet (positive)

[chrome basalt]

shouldnt corruption be something more like, you can get affixes you can't normal get on that item, on that item?

[rancid pulsar]

+crit multi -crit is an affix that you can't normally get, I imagine they just didn't pick the best example for this showcase

[chrome basalt]

like corrupt its subtype or possibly affix rolls from different slots

[rancid pulsar]

could be there's some wackier stuff

[night marten]

well the last one, crit multi for crit chance, is a new affix

[night marten]

this is what i am banking on and they just picked bad options

[chrome basalt]

well that is true I guess it is an entirely new sort of affix

[austere yew]

I find it somewhat funny, the stream talked about red ring being to strong. This is exactly where red ring shines. Getting 2lp is not realistic and 1lp slam is guaranteed. Phising for corruption will be plausible. Not for some achieveable like a 2/3lp with double T7, that investment is way higher for not even a t5 value mod.

[rancid pulsar]

I would not mind if they gut that item either to be fair

back when 180 attribute was something you had to work for it was completely fine, nowadays almost everything is an attribute stacker

[inner finch]

Generally speaking, I wish some of the crafting mechanics will divert from enhancing items as stat sticks into build-enabling ones

[night marten]

wonder if it'd be worth it raising 180 to like, 200 or 220 or something

[rancid pulsar]

by the way since when has there been a new font for unique item flavor text + level requirement text

[rancid pulsar]

wouldn't even phase any build that wants it lmao

[night marten]

i mean the number could be higher i was just putting the idea out

[rancid pulsar]

300 😆

[night marten]

🤷‍♂️ maybe just next season stuff?

[chrome basalt]

just make it reduce your totall attributes when you wear it lol

ring sting

[night marten]

make the ring that requires total atts...reduce totall atts? no

[chrome basalt]

by a % as well to really sting them

[night marten]

no. there are better way to nerf it

[chrome basalt]

20% decreased personality

your character can no longer use vendors

[rancid pulsar]

one of two ways I'd do it

1. just halve the damage reduction, it'll still be good
2. change the attribute requirement to X in every attribute instead of a total amount, so it's more narrow build-wise but just as strong

[chrome basalt]

all enemies are enraged by your digustingly hideous ring on sight

[austere yew]

Thats free if you have Fury and Fortune in the weaver tree 😄

[chrome basalt]

fingertrap, 2h ring

[night marten]

that could actually be cool in the right situation

[vale drum]

Still wanting to apply for the level design position but bamboohr is still down I suppose 😄

https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielvitaekramer for visibility. 😛

[half quartz]

Does shadow dagger get 'more' bonus damage from the skill that triggers it?

wondering if flow does anything for it either

[soft kayak]

Someone tell me if I am crazy, been following this build guide (https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/harvest-lich-guide), and the aspirational gear lists Uber Aberroth gear. Well, I have gotten pretty good gear, and I don't think there is any way this build can kill Uber Aberroth. I can't find a single kill video on YouTube of someone with this build.

[hushed stream]

With perfect gear it is probably doable. Would have to check when at my pc

[main frigate]

Good day, remember to stay hydrated, le fams/travellers

Can I say the essence of loots in loot-based ARPG is seeking max tier affixes on aspects I need?

I feel I have entered a world that is shaped by different affix hierarchies here

Affix hierarchies is one of bases drive pros hyped

[main frigate]

there is definitely a law to have a Skeleton King and a sewer in every ARPG
lol

[simple bison]

No

[glass pendant]

My feelings exactly

feels like nemesis so far, but with even more gambling

I don't see how you'd realistically benefit from this in the endgame, it's just another way to destroy a god item

maxrolled, big lp, hit the slam and corrupt?

rather win the lotto

[south moat]

Yeah honestly if those are the results for corrupting it's not really worth it...

[glass pendant]

It takes genuine hundreds of hours depending on your slam luck to slam a god tier 2lp nihilis from zero

[severe socket]

Looks like something PoE would offer with its RNG nature.

Another nope in the book...

[glass pendant]

at least poe doesn't have the earlier bricking layer of lp. You can just keep throwing currency at something

vaal is the only bricking point

What average player will have bricked like 5 or more 2lp nihilis, and then proceed to corrupt the successful one

[severe socket]

Bold of you to assume the average player will even reach the point of getting even one Nihilis, let alone farm it to the point of deliberate LP hunting.

Me, I've NEVER reached even C200 over my entire playtime (1362h).

[south moat]

Yeah, exactly
"what average player will" kinda means that it's not something an average player will have...

[severe socket]

So yeah, item corruption is... just a checkbox.

Outlined with an "avoid at all costs" notation for a good measure.

Low key reminds me of wuwa 3.1 patch notes announcing an item to reroll substats on gear and how draconically paywalled it is for its relative use (or lack thereof, given the circumstances).

Same deal: yes, it exists, it's there, but engage at your own risk and "don't come at us for ruining your gear further".

Given how LP lottery works and how corruption is basically yet another lottery stacked on top, I can't help but feel like the deeper you are into endgame, the more punishing gear hunting becomes.

PoE punishes players for experimenting with builds, LE punishes players for experimenting with gear. 🤷‍♂️

I mean, would be a somewhat different story if we could dispose of bricked items and get back some materials that would help us in at least rebuilding what we lost or imbue some of their "essense" on another item (in a similar vein to set affixes which, tbh, are still lacking a lot save a couple notables)...

[obtuse bay]

instead of lp hunting, more content would fix the problem

it is gambling, so it wont make us happy

besides mobs are limited and even you get good gear, you will do same things after defeating ubers

I hope they add events or monthly updates to keep the game interesting

maybe small patchs

or new gears every month

[main frigate]

Even GGG can't do that too

[obtuse bay]

yes but wouldn't be interesting If ehg could do it?

[south moat]

Honestly I don't think they could pull it off
not with how they currently patch the game and their work flow
Everything that comes in a new league has been worked on for months, some probably started like 2 leagues ago already
And seeing how we still don't have models for most uniques etc
I think this would just make it feel more rushed and lower the overall quality of the game

[obtuse bay]

realistically nub is right

[main frigate]

Too much rng rune of corruption will bring to the game is what players worried about 🤔 Me too.

[obtuse bay]

too much rng is never good for all of us

If everything is about luck, then whats the point of having skills

or the game is not challenging from the start If it has too much rng

I hope they increase the chance of getting 3lp or 4lp items or maybe it is better to remove them

so it won't feel like working 9-5 while grinding just for a single item lol

[main frigate]

I will not have this level of free time to grind items unfortunately, so I don't know which future way I can enjoy le/poe 2 is

[obtuse bay]

this is why they need extra content beside corruption and grinding

#feedback message poe1 had 3 more endgame contents before keepers of flame

[south moat]

Tbh I think Heist & Delve are more side content than proper end game content

And I hate sanctum so much

Heist & delve do make a good break from the main end game content that's mapping
But I can't even imagine doing either of those all day every day

Any time there's a delve only event I end up getting bored by like
lvl 70 or so

[obtuse bay]

it's better than just mapping but like you said, doing it everyday is so cruel and unfun

[severe socket]

How is "content" gonna help with gear RNG?

What's the point?

[obtuse bay]

it's an alternative for players who doesn't want to grind

but samething can be done together

like heist for example, what If you had more chance to get more LP items in heist than mapping echoes? but in this case, heist can be limited for 3 times in a day or something

or maybe another endgame content, that is like turtle or dungeons but rerolling corrupted items???

[severe socket]

Alternative how?

Gear RNG is still there.

[obtuse bay]

If it is increased in these contents, it will make differ

[severe socket]

What difference? What are you even talking about?

Again: CONTENT DIVERSITY and GEAR RNG are NOT in direct codependence.

Gear RNG is ALWAYS there, it's an underlying issue, and it won't solve itself no matter what "content" you're throwing at it.

You don't put out fires with gasoline nor oxygen.

[obtuse bay]

50% success rate and 25% success rate are different tho, which one would you prefer?

[severe socket]

RNG is still RNG.

[obtuse bay]

If they can't remove rng, what can be done then?

[severe socket]

They can at least make it bearable.

Again: stop punishing people for trying to experiment with gear.

Let alone those who physically can't reach the deepest endgame (like uberroth for instance). Heck, an average player will never see NORMAL Aberroth most of time.

[obtuse bay]

every items or classes are not equally strong but this problem is more than just punishing RNG imo

we should ask,
whats the ideal corruption for everyone

[severe socket]

So far we're having at least three stacks of RNG on unique gear specifically:

• Availability of the item itself (gets worse with difficulty)
• Affix ranges (made even worse by the fact that not all items are reliably farmable)
• LP count
  Compounded by ANOTHER multiplicative RNG stack:
• exalted item availability
• desirable affixes and their tiers+ranges
  And now rune of corruption.

How exactly are you supposed to fight all that?

[obtuse bay]

you want to win 5 times in a row

[severe socket]

And how feasible exactly is that?

[obtuse bay]

even it is just win or lose, you have 1/32 chance

[severe socket]

And the worst part? You brick an item on ANY stage, you're NEVER recovering ANY of your input so far.

So this means I have to do another 32 hard-difficulty boss runs (which in itself takes an obscene amount of time per run) just for an item alone then?

Make it make sense.

[obtuse bay]

If it was win or lose situation like coinflip, then yes but numbers are lower since it's percentage

[severe socket]

Again: to make it more bearable, at least make the bricked item recyclable in some form.

Instead of it just ending up a ground drop fodder.

[obtuse bay]

what If the goal wasn't getting the best item but completing achievements like poe?

[severe socket]

Achievements? PoE? Wut.

If you want achievements, then you have to have horizontal scaling like in GW2.

Meaning zero gear RNG, full control over what you want to get, and just scale the actual content difficulty as you see fit.

But that's not happening.

By default.

[obtuse bay]

because rn, I see this only thing we can do is having good luck on RNG

[severe socket]

Which is NOT AN OPTION.

Again: too many RNG factors on gear is even worse than the ever-mind-numbing monolith grinding.

Too many ONE-SHOT RNG factors on gear is even worse than that.

Too bad it's becoming a norm nowadays.

[obtuse bay]

let's say If you had simple gear (that doesn't need many affixes) or your build that is strong enough to beat all bosses (even ubers), would it be satisfying?

[severe socket]

It is satisfying in GW2.

Because all that matters is your actual skill.

You tailor the gear to your own needs, and that's that.

Affix values on endgame gear are the same across the board with whatever affix combination you want for your specific build.