💬┃general

[simple bison]

but I think if someone is doing hard content they should be rewarded for it

[languid rover]

thats completely on EHG and the completely useless corruption ´´scaling´´ system tho

not really the players fault

[short vessel]

idk, i think a big part of what LE has going for it is that you're not punished for just playing what you want to play

[simple bison]

That's what we're talking about. I think corruption scaling should be buffed to compensate with the imprint nerf basically. And that imprints should be reworked

cookbook disagrees because they dislike the fact that corruption scaling incentivizes playing meta builds if I've understood them correctly

[short vessel]

i don't think it incentivises it that much at present

and i don't want it to incentivise it more

[simple bison]

Yeah I do, I think they should shift more of the static gear progression we have into scaling progression

I think it's just a matter of opinions though, I dont think there's an objective right or wrong

To me I think there should be a baseline amount of item aquisiton power that everyone gets, but it should just barely get you by so you can progress towards harder content and start ramping your item aquisiton power

I think it would be absolutely horrible if everyone was running around with magebloods in poe, even the people who are stuck in white maps because their build is ass. Just because the content barely scales the reward

Some things should be limited to powerful builds played by good players imo

The only thing stopping someone stuck in white maps from getting a mageblood is the fact that white maps don't drop shit for loot in comparison to harder content, meaning they can't afford one. I want the same thing to happen in MG where someone stuck at 100 corruption simply cannot afford crazy multi exalts or high lp uniques

[short vessel]

i think that just fundamentally doesn't work with the way the LE market is

[simple bison]

and in CoF someone stuck at 100 corruption shouldn't be able to reliably drop them either no matter how much time they spend improving their imprint or whatever

[simple bison]

I don't see why it couldn't the market structure is very similar in reality, the issue is that even at 100 corruption people are dropping T7 exalts which are super strong in reality so they sell for a good amount

make it so at 100 corruption you literally cannot drop Tier 7 exalts, only T6

and T7 only start dropping at like 500 corruption but barely

and it scales from there

that would instantly make it so people at 100 corruption can't afford multi exalts

[short vessel]

that'd be a wholesale build diversity slaughter

[simple bison]

I disagree, if you want to play a build that can only do 100 corruption then you get gear that reflects 100 corruption. If your build can't do 100 corruption unless it has crazy good gear then your build just isn't functional and EHG should buff it

[short vessel]

it's not the 100 corr i'm worried about lol

[simple bison]

All the numbers are arbitrary

replace 100 with low

[languid rover]

i dont think any garbage people throw together should work and if it doesnt it should be buffed

cant make everything strong because then its all pointless

[simple bison]

I feel like the complaint here is that the game is giga unbalanced and there are so many builds that would stop being playable because they don't have access to powerful enough items to function if they did what I want them to do

[short vessel]

also you can't make everything strong cos often times buffing weak builds strengthens already strong builds

[simple bison]

Imo it's a consequence of doing something for the greater good and hopefully they can buff those builds into being playable eventually

[simple bison]

True which is why balancing an arpg is hell

[short vessel]

it is

[simple bison]

but that's just the way it is, I'd take the build diversity massacre for the sake of having functional progression

[short vessel]

i mean... personally i really enjoy imprints themselves as a means of "progressing" towards a given item

[simple bison]

Like an extreme example would be a world where items were so easy to aquire for everyone that you could play a build with 0 skills and passives specced and clear low corruption using only the basic attack

that's increased build diversity too

but is it a good thing that that's possible? hell no

build diversity as a consequence of insane items being way too accessible is not a good thing

[languid rover]

what i dont understand is the complaint of imprints being too OP, like yeah... but u still had to farm hunderds of hours to get what u want

its not like the items just rained on you

[short vessel]

yup

i spent months imprint farming

and i know the mechanics

and this wasn't triple exalt+

[simple bison]

I don't disagree, but their merits should be tied to something that's not the input item. Because imprints are the premier way of getting the strongest items (maybe not right now but they for sure were before). but they don't really scale with anything. It means that someone doing way easier content can get the same reward as someone doing way harder content. Now getting an item to get the imprint going might take longer, but after that you're basically on an even playing field

which is bad

Imo if you want to get let's say a good double exalt arcane visage. You should imrpint an arcane visage, and the imprint should only care about the base and the affixes on it, but not the tiers of the affixes

and then the quality of the items the imprint drops should be directly correlated to your corruption

so if you want a good chance of getting a double exalt out of it you have to do high corruption

[short vessel]

i just think that runs counter to a lot of what LE has tried to do in terms of allowing build diversity and player expression and is just trying to be a worse PoE item wise

while also then making MG just all double exalts all the time

[simple bison]

I mean imo poe has better build diversity than LE ever has

People just never cook builds by themselves in poe

[short vessel]

part of that is because items scale so much more

and you can access powerful items without that much investment

[simple bison]

but you can get an insane amount of builds to red maps in poe

[short vessel]

red maps by themselves aren't the same as high corr tho

[simple bison]

It wouldn't though, because people who aren't dropping double exalts wouldn't be able to afford them if they did what I would like them to do

If everyone wants double exalts but nobody is doing the content that drops them then nobody gets them

[simple bison]

Red maps are the same as low corruption is what I'm saying, currently LE doesn't have good build diversity in high corruption or would you disagree?

[short vessel]

why wouldn't they? if all the people running 1k corr on meta builds are getting all these double exalt drops which inevitably a lot of don't end up useful for them

[simple bison]

by high I mean like 1000

[simple bison]

They'd be selling them to eachother

The items they sell to people doing lower content would be the single exalts which they're getting at a way higher rate

[short vessel]

except a lot wouldn't be useful to other meta build users

[simple bison]

True, if you're playing something crazy obscure and you're the only one that wants certain items you'd get items for cheap

[languid rover]

there was build diversity

[simple bison]

good for you, I don't think that's an issue

[languid rover]

then they nerfed certain items and classes in attempt to balance while leaving other stuff unchecked

butchering multiple builds while elevating others

[simple bison]

Like yeah if someone drops a doubple exalt level of summon scorpion you can prob get it for cheap on MG even when doing lower end content

that's completely fine

[short vessel]

i don't even run +levels for scorp :L

[simple bison]

And on CoF you wouldn't be able to get that same item

I don't have an issue with it

[simple bison]

You get my point

I don't think EHG should even strive to make MG and CoF the same

[short vessel]

they shouldn't, but i think there should be parity in what they "can access"

they don't need to be "balanced"

but if getting multi-exalts is totally doable in MG

[simple bison]

I mean I'd just go back to saying if your build needs a double exalt to function your build shouldn't exist to begin with or needs a major buff

[short vessel]

but a pipe dream in CoF

[short vessel]

who's talking about "to function"

like yeah ofc

[simple bison]

if you build can function without it you'll be able to grind it out yourself

through gradually getting better items as you progress in content

[short vessel]

what is "can function" for you

tho

[languid rover]

make imprints a cof mechanic, as it should have been from the start, and then there is no issues

[simple bison]

basically it can clear the content that drops the items it's using

Like if let's say T7 exalts can only start dropping at 500 corruption, but my build needs a T7 exalt to even clear 100 corruption, the build isn't functional

[short vessel]

it needs to clear the content that drops items better than what it's using

[simple bison]

It can't get itself through the content that drops the items it needs

If your build can clear content up to the point where multi exalts start dropping without using a multi exalt then it'll have access to them in CoF

If it can't then it shouldn't have them imo

in MG you would still be able to get them

but that's just how it is

you shouldn't force it to be able to get them in CoF just becasue of that

[short vessel]

counterpoint: if anything it should be the opposite

[simple bison]

I mean it's impossible to limit access in mg

even if you make someone earn 1 gold per hour eventually they can get an immortal vise

[short vessel]

the player playing in the self-chosen marketless environment shouldn't be punished more for their choice of build than the person in a market environment

[simple bison]

They're not being punished

[short vessel]

they are

[simple bison]

their build can't do the content

they're just not being coddled

if they did interact with the market they'd still be dirt poor in comparison to others

[turbid silo]

Hey hey everyone!

[simple bison]

they could eventually get the items sure, but it would take way longer

[turbid silo]

How we all doing

[short vessel]

heyo

healthy debate on things

[simple bison]

yep

[turbid silo]

Nice, let me catch up lol

[simple bison]

It's a long one lol

[turbid silo]

oh wow lol

what's the TLDR

[short vessel]

TLDR: cyborg thinks loot should overall scale more on corruption, including stuff like imprints

[simple bison]

Basically it's a discussion on the itemization philosophy of LE

Yep, I think all forms of item aquisiton should be directly proportional to the difficulty of content you clear

[turbid silo]

I would agree

That is the logical appraoch anyways

[short vessel]

i disagree and think that scaling currently is fine given that it doesn't scale that much based on corruption but CoF specifically needs less nerfed imprints to maintain multi-exalt access parity

[turbid silo]

Also fair haha

[short vessel]

for the most part i like how LE puts less of an item acquisition barrier on builds

[south moat]

Hey there Derrick

[turbid silo]

Heya nub!

[simple bison]

Yeah it's mostly a matter of preference I think but basically my main gripe is when imprints are the premier way of getting high end items but doesn't scale with the content you do, it leads to reduced motivation to push content. Because what's the point of doing harder content if the thing that drops the best items doesn't care

[turbid silo]

Yeah, a lot of items can be used across any class, obviously some limitations

[short vessel]

oh it's less that and more like

because the ability to obtain items is less dependant on build strength it means there's much less of a rich get richer aspect

to the game

[turbid silo]

Agreed here, but there is a fine line between making the item chase too hard resulting in player exhaustion

and it being too easy

[turbid silo]

True

[simple bison]

Well sure, I'm not saying make people grind to 100 000 corruption or anything that takes a long real life time. I would just like higher rates of scaling so that someone doing (arbitrary numbers incoming) doing 100 corruption can't get the same quality of items that someone doing 500 corruption can get, and the one doing 500 can't get the same quality of items that someone doing 1000 corruption can get

[turbid silo]

Yeah, this makes sense

[short vessel]

also i think cyborg's ideas on loot only achieves what they want to achieve in CoF where there's inherently less real need to be comparative between different players/builds

and just floods MG with superpowered items

[simple bison]

I disagree tbh I think it's possible to solve it on the MG front too

Like even if a lot of obscure double exalts flood the market for cheap. The weaker off-meta builds still need to compete for them. And they can't sell their shitty single exalts to eachother because everyone wants the double exalts right?

[short vessel]

uniques

[simple bison]

I was about to propose something that would actually slaughter build diversity lol

[short vessel]

exactly

:L

[simple bison]

(was gonna say make it so uniques with higher lvl req/lpl dont' drop until higher content)

I mean I think making LP capped based on corruption could solve that

Expensive multi lp uniques wouldn't drop for the people playing the weaker builds

if someone drops a natty red ring then good for them they get to be rich while playing a weak build

[short vessel]

counterpoint: you don't need expensive multi-LP uniques to make decent money

[simple bison]

that's like someone dropping a mirror in poe

[simple bison]

Exactly

so they don't make decent money

and can't buy multi exalt items

[short vessel]

no no as in

[simple bison]

thus not everyone is running around with crazy good gear in mg

A good build doesn't need multi lp to get the the point where they'd start dropping

[short vessel]

there's a bunch of low LP stuff is still valuable

[simple bison]

I mean I disagree, if they make lp have a floor based on corruption they can make higher lp's way more common on some items which would drive the cost of lower lp's way down

[short vessel]

or even just nemesis bricks

[short vessel]

i very much disagree with this

like no

no you can't make the best builds even better

just because they can do hard content

[simple bison]

I mean that's kinda what this entire thing has been about lol

I think yes to that

you think no

[main frigate]

29c with 84% humidity, I'm exiled like an exile.

[simple bison]

To me if you do harder content you should get stronger gear, which would obviously make you even stronger

[short vessel]

this some neoliberal aaaaah powercreep argument

[simple bison]

I'm not saying the ceilling should be raised at all

there's no need for anyone to get stronger than they are currently, just place the absolute roof where the currenty top end roof is

[short vessel]

to be fair the ceiling should be coming down if anything

[simple bison]

Like if currently the top end for red ring lp is 2, just make red ring literally capped at 2lp

but only people doing hard content can drop 2lp red rings

and 3lp just wouldn't exist

[short vessel]

wait

if your argument of what's the point of farming higher corr if lower corr gives the same loot

then why even bother doing 1k corr

you hit the limit

[turbid silo]

One of the interesting challenges with itemization in ARPGs is how to design items that are appealing throughout leveling to the endgame.

I've always found that fascinating

[simple bison]

The limit would take long enough to hit to where you'd be satisfied when you're done

Like for example in poe once I have a mageblood and all the top end stuff I want except for maybe some mirror tier rares or whatever I'm usually satisfied and can stop playing happy and wait for next league

By the time I'd have my 2lp red ring and all that jazz I would've done all the content and it would hopefully be several weeks into the season and I could stop playing and be satisfied with the season

it's kinda why arpg's are seasonal no? you're not really meant to grind forever

[short vessel]

fair point

[simple bison]

I think having a tangible ceilling you can hit and be happy that you hit is way better than having 4lp red rings be theoretically be possible and be pulling your hair after 5 months of farming for one

Obviously hyperbolic example but you get my point

[languid rover]

let minmaxers have their fun

i dont want just endgame items, i want the aspirational best

[simple bison]

Yes I'm saying put the ceilling there

Nobody is saying 1lp red ring should be the ceilling

2lp is fine no? are you really grinding for a 3lp red ring right now? x)

[languid rover]

i quite honestly think red ring is an outdated item for how rare it is

[simple bison]

I don't disagree I'm just using it as an example rarity wise

[languid rover]

i only ever seen a single 3LP red ring online and it was back in season 1

havent seen anyone flex one ever since

[simple bison]

Exactly, it's not something you should really aspire to get honestly. It's above mirror rarity

[short vessel]

i member back when 1lp rav voids was a flex

[simple bison]

so just cap it at 2 so people can be happy they hit the pinnacle

[languid rover]

i had the same opinion

[simple bison]

2lp red ring is still giga rare and gives minmaxers plenty to work for no?

[languid rover]

if u code item into the game

and then give it a 1 in 400mil chance to be 4LP

[simple bison]

yep

[languid rover]

on top of being a 0.12% drop

why did u even put it into the game?

[simple bison]

There's just no real benefit to it

all it does is make some people pull their hair out after spending way too much time trying to get something that'll never happen

[languid rover]

u have 4 times better chance winning super ball jackpot

[simple bison]

instead just limit it to something actually tangible that can maybe happen and let people who put in the work get there

[languid rover]

i think a pity system would be neat

say u want 3LP core, which is what, 1 in 14k? somewhere in that ballpark

[simple bison]

I think better scaling with content would be neat

so that if you're doing insane content getting a 2lp red ring can actually happen

[languid rover]

so once u drop X amount of them u will get a 3LP guarantee drop

[languid rover]

that would still be an issue

because ZHP Ballista exists

that build needs to get deleted from existence

then we can talk about fair corruption pushing

[simple bison]

I mean yeah that's just a build issue

not a systems issue

I would also put a limit on corruption though for sure

something really high

[languid rover]

because if they make corruption actually scale drops all the people would do is play ballista and farm 100k+ corruption for insane items and then push them down to their other chars

[turbid silo]

That's hot! 😓

[simple bison]

but it would limit dumb builds from going insane

[simple bison]

If the top 1% of builds can do let's say 2000 corruption, just put the limit there imo

[turbid silo]

With corruption, it offers a lot more variety in possible options beyond red ring too 😄

[simple bison]

So even if you're playing something dumb like ballista you're limited to 2k corruption loot

[languid rover]

i just think with imprints removed and corruption scaling doesnt do anything, the outlet for getting good items doesnt exist and there is really no point in anything

there is no real road to a great item

outside of a miracle itself happening

[simple bison]

I mean that's kinda what this entire discussion has been about :P

I think they should put all the power into scaling content

and not imprints

make us get the same amount of loot we were getting pre imprint nerf

but through scaling content instead of imprints

[languid rover]

cap imprints to double exalts

make corruption scale items to make triple + exalts possible

[simple bison]

Imo just completely rework imprints to not care about the tiers of affixes you put in and instead have the items they drop scale with corruption

[simple bison]

This works too tbh

imprints can be something you use to get going

[languid rover]

i mean yea but that would need to rework how they drop to begin with

[simple bison]

yep

Point is imprints should somehow scale with difficulty of content if they are gonna be dropping the best loot in the game

or make them not drop the best loot in the game

one of the two

[languid rover]

they just need to get tied together

[simple bison]

I agree

[willow sentinel]

Do prophecies scale with corruption?

[languid rover]

no

[simple bison]

yes

[languid rover]

they dont

[simple bison]

the items they drop do

[languid rover]

no

[willow sentinel]

😂

[languid rover]

they really dont

[simple bison]

wdym no x)

[languid rover]

they dont

[simple bison]

Well yeah the scaling is complete ass

but they do

[languid rover]

it doesnt matter if u proc the proph at 100 corr or 50k

[simple bison]

yes but that's just because the scaling is bad

[languid rover]

it will still just be a pile of trash single t6 exalts

[simple bison]

not because it doesn't scale

[willow sentinel]

Is it the same scaling as ground loot?

[simple bison]

It's logarithmic scaling so the higher you go the less of a difference it makes

[simple bison]

pretty sure yes

[languid rover]

like there is actually no point getting exalted item prophecies

CoF used to be good man

[simple bison]

items from prophecies are the same as items dropped naturally afaik

[languid rover]

now its just a clown faction

[simple bison]

it's just that the scaling is garbo

which is a big part of what this discussion is about

I want way stronger scaling up to a cap

[short vessel]

and i think that'd still make CoF a clown faction cos MG would be getting similar scalings and be absolutely flooded with multi-exalts

[simple bison]

Yeah I mean MG will literally always be stronger for minmaxing there's legit no way around it unless they absolutely demolish mg drop rates in comparison to CoF to the point of it being literally unplayable for the average player

[short vessel]

especially if the random drops have higher power caps than imprints

[short vessel]

but it defeats the entire point you're trying to make!

[simple bison]

I mean I disagree, if anything S2 MG is the pinnacle of how bad it can be

[languid rover]

again, if imprints stay as they were, it should have been the CoF mechanic

[simple bison]

because during S2 not only did the top end players print insane items, so were the bottom end players lol

[languid rover]

MG is basically a massive scale group play,

[simple bison]

if it scaled with content at least only top end players would be printing crazy items

[languid rover]

CoF should get strong avenues of getting good items

[short vessel]

but everyone was printing specific stuff

[simple bison]

Hopefully the prophecy changes will be that

[simple bison]

Whatever was most valuable yes

[short vessel]

cos it's printing based on their imprints

if random drops have the higher cap

then they're printing completely random multi-exalts

[simple bison]

yes but they wouldn't sell unless it was worth something

there's a cost to selling

it's actually the main cost in MG

so you'd still only sell the expensive stuff

If that's not the case they can just up the favor cost of selling

[short vessel]

volume is definitively how you make good money in MG unless you can powerfarm super expensive stuff, which is already the rich get richer thing to do with uberroth farming

[turbid silo]

Sometimes I wish I went MG so I could just go buy things :p

[simple bison]

Yeah but it's volume of T7 exalts and stuff

if ehg want to change that they can

just raise the sell favor cost

and now you have to be more selective of what to sell

This is something they have complete control over

It's like the entire point of favor

[short vessel]

i just think an approach which is fundamentally "we're nerfing all the non-meta builds" is like

not a good idea

[simple bison]

They're being nerfed compared to nowadays

but the build itself isn't being nerfed

the flat line of item aquisiton power we have currently would just be made into a curve

[short vessel]

it's still nerfing them

[simple bison]

where the bottom end would be lower than it is currently and the top end is higher than it is currently

[short vessel]

dress it up how you want

[simple bison]

Sure they'd have access to less strong items

that's true

I think it's worth it

[short vessel]

what

i don't see how this actually changes the experience for meta builds that much

[simple bison]

It would change it a ton

you'd feel like there's actually a point to doing harder content

[short vessel]

how? they largely can clear the content regardless of these nerfs

[simple bison]

yes but there's no point in doing so

You need to give the player incentive

people grind in an arpg to get stronger, that's the whole point

if doing harder content doesn't give you better items to make you stronger then there's no point to it

[short vessel]

okay, so they blitz up to 1k corr, achieve similar levels of item acquisition to S2 i guess

and play the game largely like it was in S2

meanwhile all the non-meta builds just get taken out back and shot

[simple bison]

No like I said they'd change it to where 1k corruption is equivelant to whatever the (none bugged/absolutely horrific) top end builds can achieve currently

So pretty much everyone would be at below 1k corruption for a long time

[strange umbra]

Good morning Travelers!

[turbid silo]

Good morning Muffin!

[strange umbra]

Going to be a good day today, finishing up some work on [REDACTED]

[short vessel]

that better be a companion auto-targetting effect for eterra's blessing

[strange umbra]

wrong kind of dev 😛 lmao sorry Cook

[short vessel]

(please)

ah

[turbid silo]

Agreed, it's going to be a good day!

[short vessel]

i want it so bad

[main frigate]

what redacted is

[simple bison]

Anyway, thanks for the discussion. I'm gonna go make some dinner

[simple bison]

Redacted means hidden basically

something they don't want you knowing

secret

[main frigate]

Oh mysterious things are overwhelming

[night marten]

only if you let them be. your existance was fine without that knowledge before.

[main frigate]

Redected for players only or Derrick can't know too?

[willow sentinel]

But now I know

And I can't un know what I know

Unless I forget, but I can't forget what I want to unknow

[main frigate]

👀 which joke Vlad want to cook

[night marten]

but you know nothing. you have just awakened to the knowledge of an absence of knowledge

[willow sentinel]

So I am in a knowledge limbo

[night marten]

you were always there though

[willow sentinel]

Where knowing there is smth I don't know is burning my soul

I didn't knew I didn't know

[languid rover]

unfortunately we dont have people to leak classified military documents in our game as it if were just another morning coffee like some other game out there 😂

[night marten]

just accept that you are always going to know less than what you dont. embrace the ignorance

[languid rover]

no sorry, i dont wanna end up like what was the movie called

[willow sentinel]

Ignorance is bliss

[languid rover]

where everyone was dumb as hell

[willow sentinel]

Knowledge of ignorance is hell

Anyway enough trolling 😅

[night marten]

luckily its not that bad...yet

[languid rover]

Idiocracy

that was the movie

great movie btw

[night marten]

hilarious movie

[languid rover]

showcases perfectly where the humanity is rapidly heading 😂

[willow sentinel]

Smth smth war zone, war thunder, war tank?

[languid rover]

i think its war thunder

[willow sentinel]

The tank fighting game, yeah

I saw a couple videos about that

Bonker

[languid rover]

its funny

people leaking top secret military stuff just to make the game more accurate

😂

[willow sentinel]

Or win online argument

Because that what matters

[strange umbra]

oh Derrick knows

lol

[south moat]

I also know what [REDACTED] is

[willow sentinel]

Well it comes from Muffin

So it's probably minion and mg buffs

[south moat]

It's clearly a forbidden minion build

[willow sentinel]

Like
"you can now send your minions to the Merchand Guild so it does your trade for you"

Kinda like torchlight

[south moat]

Maybe we are getting duck minions

[turbid silo]

Most def know lol

[south moat]

I'd be worried if you didn't

Oh man, this food is delicious

[turbid silo]

Food that's delicious is great 😄

[south moat]

Not as good as the shepher's pie I made last week
But still

[main frigate]

😔

Derrick always know more than me

[south moat]

Well
He kinda has to know more than you about their company things

I'd legit be worried for his job if he knew less than you about them

[turbid silo]

lol

I'd be worried too!

[south moat]

As you should
So it's a good thing you got that base covered

[coarse swallow]

Anything is possible with enough pluck and a go-get'em attitude

[south moat]

Ah, yea that definition of spunk

[coarse swallow]

Haha, fair enough. perhaps a bit too outdated of a saying.

Changed to a hopefully more friendly variation 🙂

[main frigate]

Yes otherwise you can't pass the CM's interview

[languid rover]

you know what they say

fake it till you make it

[south moat]

love is blind?

[main frigate]

Oh glad to find the English version of this aphorism

Wait I need to find something

Alright find nothing, odd

If you want something, believe and imagine you owned that.

Oh yes similar meaning but fake it till you make it sounds more clear and short

Learnt that one year ago, I can't prove it's valid if not yet

(lol I have no idea why Kain want to say this meaning suddenly)

[coarse swallow]

I just meant to never give up in regards to trying to compete with Derrick 🙂

[main frigate]

It's interesting because I don't know you need to compete with Derrick

Compete with someone is something let me feel overwhelming and depressed always because competition will never end in anyone's life

[south moat]

Think you're misunderstanding here, Kirra

Think Kain is trying to encourage you to compete with Derrick

[coarse swallow]

Friendly competitions can help build eachother up. All I meant was when you said you couldn't compete with Derrick for knowledge, that that doesn't mean you should stop pursuing it. You manage to come up with some very interesting questions that even get us once in a while!

[south moat]

As long as you remember to keep it as a friendly competition, aye

[main frigate]

We're in different channel again hhhhh

1. Nothing available to compete with Derrick from me. Derrick found his charm (experience in valve) and this charm can keep his life away from poor and bad people forever. He can enter EHG, I can't.
2. I'm interested in which questions I asked got EHG once in a while. May I ask you to give two examples?

It's not a competition at all lol

[coarse swallow]

I'm sorry, I can't remember specific examples off the top of my head since you're always so active in the community. I just recall we've had to discuss some of your questions during a stand-up to get answers for you.

[main frigate]

🙏 Glad to know two little lords of Stark still alive.

[wise vortex]

when will the new season drop?

[south moat]

We do not have a time estimate.

But it's not within 1 month from now

[viral halo]

Greetings 🙂

[south moat]

Greetings, traveler

From beyond the fog
oh wait, wrong game

[viral halo]

no idea what it could be xD

[south moat]

Ooh, elden ring

Anyway, what's up? any plans for the day?

[viral halo]

HM... i started my HC Forgeguard the day before yesterday... I just cleared normal mode.
My job for tonight is Isengard empowered monolith. 🙂

[south moat]

You can do it

[coarse swallow]

one does not simply walk into empowered

[viral halo]

I got good company, my forged weapons army ❤️

[coarse swallow]

That sounds like a pretty effective army. I tried a good Forged weapons build not long ago, tons of fun.

[south moat]

Ah
I just realized this is the first season where I didn't play forged weapons

Usually I've done one every season

[viral halo]

btw.... i have a question and i know what to do, because its a bug. F8....
BUT that bug has a very critical state i would say, because it can be endlessly abused and exploited, but i can't do a video for it. Is there a way to show it to someone in person?

Or would you just be happy with a detailed bug report?

[coarse swallow]

You can either send it to me in a DM, or to Modmail if we're not actively available

[viral halo]

I cannot record that unfortunately. Thats why i want to stream it for someone^^. I mean, i can copy pasta the text into the bug report and to you in person if you want and if iam able to DM you.

[coarse swallow]

is it something you could stream?

otherwise the best bet would just be as detailed as possible in the report, and we can reach out if we need further clarification.

[viral halo]

i think so yes. it is done very quick, i just reported it as a bug aswell.

[coarse swallow]

Thank you for doing so - there's certainly something odd going on, so will be helpful to have the log files.

[teal badge]

When will Last epoch be released on console?

[main frigate]

No date.

Fxck the water. Bring me wine!
😂

[south moat]

PS5 release is next year when the expansion comes
We do not have a date for that.

[proven marsh]

do you want to know about people who just start adding people randomly on servers?

[simple bison]

Yes please dm @grand geyser with a screenshot

[main frigate]

it's quite funny that everyone can add me but I never meet random friend requests from here through I appeared everyday in over 2 years

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

Crane just immune to that.

[proven marsh]

it's only my 3rd time.. last one was a bit weird as the user hasn't shared any servers with me

but maybe s/he was kicked pretty fast

[proven marsh]

sent it over, thanks 🙂

[native mirage]

Hey I kjnow nobody at EHG is likely watching this discord tonight but, just in case - I am going to go farm foot of the mountain from lightless arbor again and I could really just use a 3 lp boot before friday, if that'd be alright? I have a great slam for it...thank you in advance...

[main frigate]

Ask for actions from EHG immediately is an silly thing, yes

They can immerse in their world for seven months without any reveals

More time it can go if the role more advanced

[main frigate]

Oh yes... One more thing: It's silly to think we can owe EHG something

[main frigate]

Ok I found the answer already.
The answer is: ||Switch.||

Got do this thing so well and it's the soul...

...Maybe game of thrones sounds better

But it require...Lots of characters and everyone should have the own characteristics by showing what are they think on a thing and what have they done. High-end level.

[marble axle]

is LE down?

"online play is unavalible"

[simple bison]

offline or online?

[marble axle]

online mb

[simple bison]

shouldn't be afaik, I can't check right now though

[azure sundial]

im playing

[strange elm]

Did game release a patch ? I noticed my cosmetic reworked my movement and dash action

Mmmm it appeared to be a bug fixed by channeling

It was like my steps distances like moon gravity steps

[jaunty socket]

Are Server's down?

[azure sundial]

nop

[night marten]

its pretty helpful when asking if servers are down to actually state what server, since people can play on other servers

[covert marsh]

can i play this without a build guide?

[south moat]

Yes

[covert marsh]

starting as a acolyte right now

[south moat]

Good luck
Remember there's in game guide that explains a lot of the stuff

[steep river]

Yeah the Campaign isn't particularly difficult, especially if you have experience with other ARPGs. There's just a few bosses that people sometimes get stuck on, like Lagon in Chapter 8 and Majasa in Chapter 9.

You can definitely make up your own build and have a good time. The game is also pretty generous with respecs. You can change everything except your initial class selection.

[covert marsh]

thanks guys!

[elfin wharf]

i know im just a plebian, but I have been working on Poison Ninja Rogue Build and so far it kinda slaps! ❤️ I hope i can reach up to 1k corruption heres hoping! lemme know if anyone wanna discuss build creation i am usually in the voice chat

[strange elm]

I discovered one of my listed altars can not be seen; it got 2 t7 ; when searching for 2 t7 altars it will be empty

[simple bison]

Could you send a screenshot in #❔┃ask-the-community of the altar and your filter?

[strange umbra]

Good morning Travelers!

[strange umbra]

as someone who plays most ARPGs out there - I would say LE is very "yolo" friendly, especially in the campaign 🙂

[covert marsh]

what to do with the equipment do you just sell it?

[willow sentinel]

Don't pick it

[bold solar]

what arpgs do you have the most hours in?

[strange umbra]

well I've been playing Diablo since the 90s - Muffin be old 😛

But for the big modern ones PoE and LE are my highest by far - I've played PoE1 for 13yrs

though I played quite a bit of the latest D4 xpac/season too

[bold solar]

Poe1 13 years sheeeeesh

[strange umbra]

lol

played WoW even longer

[turbid silo]

Heyo folks!

How we all doing

[sinful crescent]

Good evening 🙂

[south moat]

jello

[turbid silo]

Hey hey

[errant mica]

Server issues going on? Zoned into the council chambers and every time I try to zone in I get lost connection to server. But I can login fine

[hybrid wagon]

I cannot send pictures but I promise Pig the original Yellow Lizard is still doing well

[balmy arrow]

Need more lizard flowers

[main frigate]

...Seven hells. Slept 3h through I just want to relax for a while before take a shower...

Face-to-face board game is the most fun game type but that's luxurious.

Quite interesting to review some fun from splendor duel with friends in real life :) But it'll quite exhausting too

[peak rain]

Hey, so I'm pretty new to LE still, once I reach the point where I have all my bonus passives and idol slots, do I just go to Monoliths or is it worth finishing the campaign first? I'm currently level 45 and I just went back to the town in the frozen area with Heorot's Lance.

[night marten]

You get att points for finishing the campaign, and extra knowledge to unlock empowered monoliths,

[simple bison]

Unless you're racing or rushing in general I'd just finish the campaign

[night marten]

But you can do monoliths and come back

You will be underleveled for monoliths as you are now, so unless you are confident in your build, campaign can help bridge that gap

[chilly ember]

i mean tbh like i’m not entirely sure that’s true after chapter 7

[peak rain]

Ok, thanks. Not at all confident in my build lol or more accurately my ability to play the game well enough xD following a leveling guide off Maxroll for a caster Acolyte.

[main frigate]

What? I thought immortal supporter will give you the same access with mods

[simple bison]

no, supporter roles don't give any additional permissions

[main frigate]

hah... What an odd team is.

But it's more and more interesting for sure.

[elfin wharf]

hiyaaaaa

[hybrid wagon]

Personally I am happy with the way it is, I get a fun colour and it means people couldn't buy power or abuse any privileges.

The real benefits come in the game itself. I have an ungodly amount of credit for the cosmetic store :D

[daring coyote]

• Put 60 woven echoes to farm em.
• Realises I put on the wrong monolith, cuz I wanted to farm the boss item too.
• Hates myself

[main frigate]

it means people couldn't buy power or abuse any privileges.

Yes, it's the point I'm shocked

Give privileges by paying more is a common commercial model, but EHG don't choose that

GGG is a big fan of this model, on the opposite (I mean their exilecon)

EHG balanced good things and bad things they done quite well lol
It's why I feel odd but interesting

[torn ledge]

with PoE2's huge update coming this Friday, when is Last Epochs next huge update?

[south moat]

The current season is just over 2 months old

[muted cape]

Yeah still too early to know, but we have had several teasers of whats to come next patch

Follow aaron action arpg on youtube for the latest news!

[covert marsh]

is it normal that im dying on elites in a level 41 map and my level is 39

[south moat]

Not really

Or it can be depending on the elite and your resistances etc

[covert marsh]

can you see my post in acolyte section ty

[south moat]

I'm not very good with acolyte stuff, sorry

[languid rover]

it more or less boils down to some classes/specific builds being absolutely terrible for leveling up

because u are lacking critical breaktrough skill points for the skills and passive tree

most guides u see on maxroll have a disclaimer they assume u are at least lvl 70+ , and have a different leveling guide attached to them using different skills and gear to get u across campaign until X where u respecc into the actual build

[south moat]

Don't think ecobiz is following a guide

[main robin]

Hey all. I haven't played this in at least a year. I quit back then because I wasn't happy with the state of the end game (just grinding corruption only to potentially have orbyss delete all of your progress on one death). Has this changed, or are there more end game options besides this now>

[willow sentinel]

It's pretty much still just corruption

[turbid silo]

A good day to all! 🙂

[south moat]

Good day Derrick

[turbid silo]

How are you nub

[main frigate]

Another day that being a zhezhe pot

[main robin]

and same mechanic? okay, thanks for helping me not waste more time

it's just too bad, I enjoy the experience of leveling. I like the game, until the end.

[main frigate]

More mechanics, but they still tie with corruption

[main robin]

reminds me of POE 1 in that way

[main robin]

the whole "lose everything when dying at orbyss" is what honestly broke me, back then.

[main frigate]

Good News: You can challenge 5 orobyss in a echo instead of single one!

[main robin]

I wouldn't know what that meant 🙂 again, haven't played since the first season. it's been a while.

[main frigate]

And 8 harbingers in a echo. Yes, chain battle.

[main robin]

and if the end game is the same, I'm not dumping on it. That's not what this question is about. It is a very good arpg, it just wasn't for me then

[main frigate]

(I'm complain the hard difficulty in an ironic way)

Oh if you dislike harbinger's chain one, welcome to visit champion rift beasts one!

I'm sure you'll quite impressive by ridiculous modifiers of champions like many rare enemies in poe & poe 2

[main robin]

I'm not trying to compare games. I'm honestly just trying to decide with my level 22 sentinel if I should just uninstall now because the end game will frustrate me. building up whatever it is caused - points to qualify for the shade of orbyss fight only to lose it all on dying was too punishing for my interest

[wet granite]

Lizard.

[willow sentinel]

Playing hardcore?

[main frigate]

I always remember death penalty in poe 2's endgame and champions in le's endgame

[south moat]

I'm pretty good
was gym day today

[main robin]

No.

[turbid silo]

Gym day is always nice to have!

[willow sentinel]

Then what do you loose when you die on Orobyss?

[chilly ember]

on softcore you only lose 1 gaze of orobyss upon death, which are honestly quite trivial to obtain later on anyways

[main robin]

this might be what I am referring to. I understand the question may be incorrectly framed, as I am going from memory

[willow sentinel]

The penalty for dying in LE is very little

[chilly ember]

iirc you used to lose all gazes and there weren’t as many ways to easily obtain gazes (needles, temporal keystones, confluence)

[main robin]

dying in general? yes. but dying to shade of orbyss was like a few hours to make up the stack of whatever

[chilly ember]

oh yeah so you’re thinking of gazes, now you only lose 1 on death instead of all of them

[main robin]

like eventually I stopped doing more than two levels because some shades were tougher than others (and randomly assigned) and it really just angered me

getting enough points for the gaze or whatever (mapping) seemed to just take too long, even when I could complete it. Again, it's been forever

[main frigate]

Harbingers will harder than orobyss

[main robin]

I don't recall those. I think I quit that update though. Couldn't say why, perhaps another game

[chilly ember]

not only do you not lose all of them upon death anymore, there’s been multiple new mechanics introduced to make farming them easier

[main robin]

hmmm. okay, perhaps I will give it a look then.

I really liked everything else about the game. It just felt back then that things were too unforgiving for an old casual skill like me

like, I was good enough to grind the corruption points or whatever, and then just have it wiped because I pulled the worst shade in a given season was just too much, given it's basically the only end game mechanic at the time

[main frigate]

EHG have been released a bug cause all champions deal overwhelming damage and I'm suffered by that seriously so relevant trama for that is existing through this bug is fixed later.

It's why I want to say be care to deal with champions even in campaign

The funny thing is they go on releasing more champions after that, it's where rift beast come from

[main robin]

Champions? Who do you mean? Harbingers that drop the loot? Exiled mages? Omen events?

I've noticed the new mechanics and they are great (campaign, at welryn now). Plus the in game documentation for this game is S+ tier, so to speak.

[viral halo]

Champions are the "orange ish" enemies. They have a visual indicator on the map aswell and can be pretty dangerous.

[south moat]

Noticed a bug that during the campaign the exiled mages don't always drop experimental items
did file a report on it

[coarse swallow]

I know I've seen this one before and it's been put in front of the team, so should already be on it!

[south moat]

Neat

Was just weird because I think I saw them on all kills as sentinel
but then playing acolyte today didn't get a single one

[daring coyote]

Any1 with electrify experience, I"d like an opinion on sentinel channel!

[willow sentinel]

https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1509653801072722185

Goated DerrickG

[main frigate]

😂 I wish GGG give me a guide for how to search their affixes on the market indeed

Such a pity that Derrick isn't work for GGG

[turbid silo]

Gotta give credit to @simple bison and @steep river for the legwork - I just put it together 🙂

hahaha i love this

[steep river]

Most of the credits to Cyborgwars who wrote it up! I just had a few suggestions and edits

[native mirage]

Just missed my 7th LP2 Boots hit another suffix then corruption just stripped the LP off the item - I just want MS+Int I'm going to hit turtle to reroll another 50+ pairs of boots then combine the failures to get good attributes and run nemmy towers to hopefully hit some more LP 2's I have at least 1 more good slam left before I just give up and play POE 2 lol

I swear LP 2 is the worst LP to have it feels so shit to slam again and again, at least this time I have decent suffixes on my exalted item but I'm so starved for main stat, urgh, the fury of it all

If I miss my next pair and run out of double exalted boots I think I'm going to go ahead and corrupt everything in my inventory just to see for fun before tomorrow