💀┃acolyte

[lost gale]

Leech is the best thing you can do to keep them upright

[austere breach]

is it necessary to take poison penetration

on aura of decey

when we get so many penetration affix'es

[lost gale]

Yes absolutely, fume weaver makes other pen look weak

It converts to phys res btw

[austere breach]

what's the point of getting pen on the gear

then

[lost gale]

The build doesn't stack int like some other builds do because vit is good too and that means pen affixes aren't entirely diluted

[austere breach]

tough

I was going around with 30% to spawn

I didn't take this before@lost gale

im so dumb

I was like it's kinda tedious

now it's less spammy 😭

why did I do this

then I should remove this, two pts in this should be enough for leech

[wintry flame]

Leech is a very meh stat for decaying minions, almost any form of sustain has little impact due to the way decay works as it doesn't scale linearly but ramps. Leech and regen values tend to be very low and are outscaled pretty fast. It's good to have a bit to fight off the starting decay but quickly gets outpaced. It's better to scale health values to extend their duration.

[austere breach]

some people would say it's important so when they hit they get full life

so they last longer

but is 3 leech pts needed for that

or two good enough

that's what i'll try after

[austere breach]

we were wondering if it was % of flat decay

now we know thanks to you

😎

let's stack more life

I say we because lot of people gave me advice

about this build

[wintry flame]

yeah idk the exact values for each minion, but decay is a flat amount of hp per second per second

[austere breach]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGzGMqln

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 71

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (51) / Lich (13)

General:

▸ Health: 1,704, Regen: 15.94/s
▸ Mana: 149.86, Regen: 9.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 107%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 6 Str / 6 Dex / 38 Int / 6 Att / 36 Vit
▸ Resistances: 73% / 132% / 96% / 100% / 27% / 88% / 129%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 55%, Threshold: 341
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (24)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (493)
▸ Block Chance: 2%, Mitigation: 18% (119)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Assemble Abomination / Aura Of Decay / Sacrifice / Dread Shade

[austere breach]

so now my build is just starting and very barebones

im trying to survive empowered mono

and it's tough

im showing you this if you have an idea of the priority I need to focus on

to survive

as with weaver tree, prophecy, rune of ascendance

I kinda need to know what to go

for now I was looking for body armour 2LP

[wintry flame]

you could remove 2 points from Grave Thorns and Towering Death to get Reclamation of Souls and Soul Conduits for more sustain. Also could get more ward per second or regen on gear and resists as well. Your suffixes are pretty bad on most items and your ehp is lacking. Your idols could be more focused on % hp and resists instead of worry about damage there. You're just leaned a bit too offensive rn. Also I'd get an idol altar for sure.

Honestly, the Tolmat's is pretty useless at this point. A white Opulent would be better imo

[austere breach]

I have like two profile to follow but it's aspirational gear

and I finished the campaign

like today

so there is a big period of transition

thanks

[wintry flame]

yeah, I'm just giving you advice from what I see on the planner

[sonic wind]

Leech is definitely the best way to sustain decay but it has the usual issue of enemies not having enough health.

[austere breach]

definitely what I asked, thanks a lot

[sonic wind]

Leech just makes it so you dont expire vs bosses basically

[austere breach]

I was just saying the long term I know what to do, in between I was suffering a bit

xD

[wintry flame]

How? It's staves off the initial ramp, but eventually gets outscaled

and they need to hit enemies to get it

[sonic wind]

because of how much health minions can have and how much damage they can do

Decay is quadratic, but total health lost up to a given point from decay is cubic

err sorry, linear vs quadratic

Like instant loss per second is linear with time, total lost over that time is quadratic

leech often just instant heals minions to full

so it sorta pulls things towards the linear side instead of quadratic side

[austere breach]

which just mean it's less random i guess

if I understand

[sonic wind]

old school decay abom could survive 7 minutes standing still. But with a target and even 0.5% leech it could survive like half an hour

In practice, it was like 11 min when mapping rather than 7ish

[wintry flame]

Abom is also capable of hitting waaaay higher than Spectres and also has a waaaay higher HP pool without trying

[sonic wind]

spectres are doing dot though which makes their leech a lot more consistent

and their life is actually rather high as far as decaying minions go

[wintry flame]

I'm also pretty sure for whatever reason Abom's decay is lower and you have methods to make it even smaller.

[sonic wind]

abom just had like 100 mil+ health back then

I did math on it once but dont remember number

[austere breach]

i'll take one of these and slap a good helmet affix

for dmg

it will be a nice offensive and defensive upgrade at once

[sonic wind]

But yeah best way to increase their durations is boosting their health and then giving them a bit of health. Regen is 100% worthless

[austere breach]

they started to die way less

with this

[sonic wind]

Yeah health helps a lot

[austere breach]

aura of decay is such an interesting ability

so weird and strong

half the node im like should I really take this

lol

[austere breach]

im gonna run double shield

what a style

[dusty onyx]

the nerf they did on the sustain node ruined lich for me

[muted mist]

I can't tell if they wanted to nerf that node and couldn't be arsed to address the worse Reaper Form uptime, or if they thought Lich's were spending too much time in Reaper Form and needed to fall out more often

[night hemlock]

I could understand them wanting to nerf uptimes but on the other hand Lich is basically worthless without Reaper Form.

[tacit plinth]

Reaper form is mandatory but we are playing lich makes kinda sense ,would be nice if there cd got shorter wo we dont need to include a cd affix somewhere,with new passive tree you can tough it out outside of lich form until is back

[inner cobalt]

testing with Legends Entwined atm, to open the off-hand and keep full set - feel like there's potential there, adds another minion+frenzy on all the bees

[sly forge]

@wintry flame just found something old and fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlxlH3Vekwo

[sonic wind]

Yup.

main reason I only play like 20 min a day now

can only stomach one or two form drops and waiting 20 seconds for no reason before I'm just completely done

literally a direct qol nerf. No impact in combat when leech is working. All it does is waste your time, one of worst changes they could have made. At this point I need decay paused out of combat. So done lol.

its even funnier because AoD doesnt even give the listed amount of healing. It skips ticks every 3-4

and the skipped ticks actually end up halving the duration of form.

[cunning mist]

Road to 500 kills

[wintry flame]

Nice, yeah penance golem is good. I always wondered about doing bleed with it tho

[sly forge]

I wonder if this is after penance is fixed

and why bleed?

does it support bleed better than crit?

[night hemlock]

With what build?

Where do you see your Uberoth kills too?

[cunning mist]

Blood spectre necro

And that's my uber kill count

[night hemlock]

Yeah I know, I asked how you see it

[cunning mist]

On your profile

lEtool

[night hemlock]

Blood Spectre does look fun

[cunning mist]

It has your uh

[night hemlock]

Oh it's an online thing

I thought it was in-game

[cunning mist]

Normal abby, uber and vision observer kill count now

Shows how many death, how much corruption climb, days play etc

[cunning mist]

Kinda succ for mapping but melt bosses fast

Use weaver booty and shattered world so your abom and blood spectres have perma frenzy

[sly forge]

I use tyrant relic instead

[cunning mist]

Mine is pure bossing only, so yep

Love that 10 mil damage pop

[sly forge]

hmm

tyrant+endurance stacking also provides a lot of dmg multiplier too

you are just not very tanky :)))

but really

bleed wraith is insane

[cunning mist]

Ive perfected my foodwerk to fight uber 2 seasons ago

Also got my necro to over 4k hp so i can tank a hit

Lots of health regen

[sly forge]

hmm then I think tyrant relic and stacking endurance is a good choice

since you have some good minion attack speed from dread shade and passives already

[sonic wind]

anyone got any improvements they can think of for this? obviously t7%mana on helmet as second legendary. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDxqWZv9

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (13) / Lich (67) / Warlock (13)

General:

▸ Health: 5,440, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 640.47, Regen: 20.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 38/s
▸ Attributes: 56 Str / 35 Dex / 275 Int / 41 Att / 73 Vit
▸ Resistances: 69% / 69% / 69% / 101% / 99% / 161% / 153%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 41%, Threshold: 4,240
▸ Dodge Chance: 65% (3043)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,164)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 94%

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Drain Life / Aura Of Decay / Reaper Form / Transplant

[wintry flame]

Golem has more DoT specific nodes and also there is vitality scaling

[sonic wind]

rampancy would be more damage than apathy by a bit but loses too much health I think + the odd oneshot if frenzy drops.

[sly forge]

just want to ask

Is mana really not important for this build?

also

is orian better than immolation belt?

[wintry flame]

@tender ridge @old hull looks like Soul Feast will get fixed.

@noble flame Would be nice if you could share details or even the video you have for the Abom bug.

[sly forge]

damn it to think the abomination bug is so popular and report so many times and the devs still do not know what's going on

[noble flame]

I literally sent them multiple videos detailing the bug using the in-game feature

[old hull]

Yeah, bugs can sometimes be very difficult to fix

[wintry flame]

Yeah, it's Mike fixing these on his own. I'm not sure how they approach these bugs it's probably in a QA pipeline

and if they can't reproduce in a meaningful way it won't get passed until there is a repro method.

[sonic wind]

Mana is very important, but flat mana is not as important.

immolator belt is tiny amount of flat spell damage and we have tons already. The build sextuple dips on int so 20 int is pretty insane.

[sly forge]

but mana stacking is good?

since rip blood can restore mana quickly

[noble flame]

Here's the vids I've sent them:
https://youtu.be/LqorNbN2oJ0
https://youtu.be/Yqgk_8o9lRs

It's annoying to repro, but it's not hard to do. I'm not even using the chaining nodes.

[sonic wind]

Do you mean not going apathy on amulet?

[sly forge]

yeah I did not

[sonic wind]

rampancy is more damage but loses health. The others have a larger downside in screwing over armour

[sly forge]

nah I use nihillis

[wintry flame]

thank you

[sonic wind]

not having to convert 2 attributes would be best. Yeah fair point

[sly forge]

2 red rings+nihillis+rip blood should restore mana quickly

even with a lot of mana

I only use nihillis with madness corruption

[noble flame]

The T-Rex one is the most obvious. This can also be repro'd with Cruelty, but it's even more annoying to pull off.

[sonic wind]

I do have cdr though so you dont quite oversustain mana on rip blood

without apathu

[sly forge]

wait wdym?

[sonic wind]

dark shackles eats mana

if you get cdr you cast it more often when holding button

which is good for damage obviously but eats more mana

[sly forge]

hmm

idk

since I cast drain life and spam rip blood when mana is less than 2/3

[sonic wind]

Ye but you want to cast drain life as often as possible and you want mana as high as possible all the time. If you spend less mana than you gain you need to get more cdr, and if you spend more mana than gained you need less cdr/more mana sustain

nihilus is defs better though if not running marrow shards

[sly forge]

but what does cdr affect here?

rip blood does not have cdr?

[sonic wind]

dark shackles has a cooldown

like the 0.7s or whatever base cd on drain life

[sly forge]

ah I see

still

I don't think with a lot of mana stacking, drain life will drain mana quickly

[noble flame]

oh man, even just fixing Julra's Obsession for Blood Spectres would be nice

[sly forge]

2 red ring, mana regen slam on amulet or belt and nihillis should give decent mana regen

and also rip blood too

also stack a lot of minor weaver idols with mana and mana regen

I use shattered worlds instead for crit problem

[old hull]

Yeah, though I wouldn't be super surprised if they get nerfed when they get fixed

[sly forge]

I hate how this build lacks crit supporting

[wintry flame]

yeah I tried to put all the recent bugs I remembered just added some more

[sonic wind]

it costs like a bit over 50 mana at max mountain stacks and has 0.63s cd. That is 81 mana/s. Rip blood at 350% inc cast speed is 60mana/s on a boss + 4.3 from warlock node

its a lot of mana sustain but not quite enough unless you can get more cast speed which I think stresses gear a bit too much (looking at 3lp gloves/double t7 corrupted twisted heart)

or ofc rampancy which also solves mana problem

frenzy corrupt idols might be enough

[tender ridge]

I wake up from a nap with the best news

[tender ridge]

definitely. I work in verification and some of the bugs we've found have taken so much work to fix that they essentially redid the whole design because it was such a fundamental flaw

[muted mist]

hrm, anyone know how long it usually takes to repro the abom sacrificing itself if you try to do that with skeletal warriors vs a target dummy? is that at all a reliable way to produce the bug?

[lost gale]

can't really say how long because it's quite random but if you spam summon skeletons on top of the abom he should vanish within 20-30s, usually less.

don't need an enemy around because abom casts devour whenever there are appropriate minions alive & in range (which is huge)

[wintry flame]

No there isn’t a reliable way other than what the videos above show. Even Mike said it looks like a nightmare to reproduce so finding the root cause will prove difficult

[tender ridge]

i wonder if there's a timing issue of some kind

if the abom adds himself to the exclusion list as he casts sacrifice, it's possible that if he casts at like a certain game/server tick that the list doesn't get updated in time

it would also explain the semi-random nature since human error would make it damn near impossible to consistently replicate a timing issue like that

[muted mist]

yeah i don't think he watched that video, it's not easy to reproduce on command exactly but 'do X for 1-2 minutes while moving the mouse around and it'll happen' is really not bad as far as repro procedures go IMO

[tender ridge]

it's pretty bad for determining consistency if you're trying to track down a cause

[muted mist]

i replied to him with my theory that sacrifice is a 0-radius aoe and it's a hitbox collision issue (which, if correct, means the repro difficulty is a testament to their code for trying to prevent minions from being on top of each other)

yeah that's definitely going to depend on having excellent debug logs and some good theories as to what's happening

🤞

[tender ridge]

that wouldn't really explain the T-Rex video though since it also got sacrificed and was a little off on its own

[muted mist]

oof, i missed that one. then yeah some kind of target list race condition would be my next guess

a skeleton does spawn directly underneath the T-rex right as it gets sacrified, looks like

[tender ridge]

those do sound like the two most likely to me

[sonic wind]

even if its some bug with like network sync or something a failsafe shouldn't be too difficult to add. Especially if they add a failsafe that reports the conditions its failing under. then you just throw that out in a patch and check back on the data in 6 months for patterns.

and in meantime failsafe just say like, deletes the cast if it would have tried to sac abom and the caster is abom

[sly forge]

wait so you are a software tester?

[tender ridge]

hardware. I work in electronics. it's still all code though so most of the same principles apply

[sly forge]

ah ok. Well not related to acolyte but I'm just interested in how professional bug testing would be like

[wintry flame]

Sameeeee. I did QC and QA before my tenure as a dev

[lost gale]

I remember @noble flame (I think, mayb someone else?) saying he'd managed to replicate it using sacrifice some other way and that it was a bug with sacrifice more than abom but I can't remember the specifics beyond that. Nor can I think how you could be sure sacrifice was targeting the wrong minion without the abom trigger casting it

[noble flame]

I did it with Cruelty. You gotta summon something (like abom or golem) before equipping the item, but then run around with skeletons and eventually it'll catch the original summon. I tested it at the arena town, so nothing else was a factor.

[lost gale]

ah makes sense

[tender ridge]

yeah it's more primalist related considering the state it's in right now

[lost gale]

giga brain method btw

[noble flame]

I've put in the work to try and resolve this bug. Once it's fixed there's more builds to try lol

[lost gale]

I've mostly just complained in this channel

we are not the same

[tender ridge]

TBF complaining is easier to do and pretty satisfying

[lost gale]

and they give us so much to complain about, very generous of them

[austere breach]

😎

[noble flame]

@lost gale @wintry flame Here's a vid of Cruelty doing the same bug: https://youtu.be/r3n4XG4mK3Q

Took a few minutes, so you might want to skip to the end. Only got Omnis, Sinathia, and Cruelty equipped. Only skill specced is Summon Skeleton.

[tender ridge]

only +6 all attributes

TRASH IT

[noble flame]

Made a second video using Cruelty with no auto-rez on skeletons. So, the rez isn't the cause, but it does allow it to happen more often.
https://youtu.be/Gx4ogdYBkHk

I suspect it's the despawning that causes it, but it's a bit hard to tell

🫡 to Zeckar and Tadrinth for sharing the vids on Reddit (I am not a Reddit user lol).

[wintry flame]

I can’t share those ones at this moment so someone else will have to

[noble flame]

Tadrinth shared the first cruelty vid already

[muted mist]

fingers crossed this is enough for him to narrow down to the cause (or get annoyed enough to figure out a bandaid lol)

[muted mist]

huuuuuuuuh that would be really nasty if it's the despawn. E.g. it only happens if you summon skeletons while at the cap?

[noble flame]

It'd make sense, 'cause then the sacrifice is targeting something that isn't there anymore and so it just picks something else.

[wintry flame]

Yeah I made that distinction in my original post of the bug

[sly forge]

@wintry flame ok, received some advice on the owner of retal golem here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlxlH3Vekwo&lc=Ugyr1Uq0z0ddgelDEmp4AaABAg.AX6psI6ixG_AX7HKF6Ml-r

[wintry flame]

I’ll have to look later

[sly forge]

wrong link oops

[muted mist]

you can snapshot pearls of the swine with bone curse aura???

i shouldn't be shocked

[wintry flame]

I mean kinda it has a duration tho

[austere breach]

why bleed spectre build use this

im a bit lost on where shoudl I get minion dmg instead of minion life

on affixes

it seems like I could slam a T7 minion health on any piece

@wintry flame

obviously some have bleed pen or something

so you remove those

I guess 50% dmg is low though

it's not going very high even T7 it's 100% at most

@lost gale@noble flame

[wintry flame]

Melee attack scales with area so it helps clear

[austere breach]

and I always thought my clear is shit

especially in omens

[austere breach]

I got a blood roost +1

so I was like what affixe on this

[wintry flame]

You get minion health from vitality/int. Rings are a good spot for % rolls

[austere breach]

oh I can use this

it's area and %

😎

i'll try to find an exalted one

[muted mist]

can you scale blood specters to have any aoe whatsoever? i thought their melee attack was so small it wouldn't hit anything else even with maximum minion area. it'l help the abom, obviously, but that's it

[wintry flame]

In a tight pack it can help even if it’s like less than like 2m

[wintry flame]

Yeah redemption or chaos

[muted mist]

i don't think i was able to get their area high enough to hit all 3 target dummies in the cluster when i tested, but I don't recall if I had double T7s. and i suppose enemies might be more densely packed than that in practice

[austere breach]

I used a rune of removal on a T7 minion life gloves, removed the second prefix and addes minion life then havoc

[austere breach]

at least it gives minions dmg so it helps clear a bit and give dmg

im not gonna complain

especially after dying in omen because I couldn't clear fast enough

[wintry flame]

Mobs can get tighter than that in practice

[muted mist]

yeah for 1LP i would happily take either area+damage or area on that build, whichever dropped as T7 first.

and yes, that build does not seem well suited to Omens. i played around with a specter build from a previous season and WOW Omens were terrible relative to everything else.

are there any obvious tweaks to the build to make it more viable for omens?

[austere breach]

the clear it require insane

😎

[wintry flame]

🫡

[austere breach]

I still have this relic

[muted mist]

you could drive the specter generation with zombies, but I don't think you can get the zombies to do enough damage for good omen clear without putting a lot more investment in the zombie side of things and the build doens't have room for that

[wintry flame]

Pray for prolif

[muted mist]

god bleed prolif on minion kill would elevate that build to SSS

[wintry flame]

That’s why I prefer rogues or basic attack mages

[noble flame]

It's versatile for more builds and almost the same amount as just minion damage, so I tend to prefer slamming it.

[muted mist]

so. i got my wife into this game. and boy, if i thought i could get her to play something with good aoe, I would have seriously considered going bleed specters (she'd melt trash and I'd melt single targets). Except I have told her too many stories of how mean Necros are to their minions and she forbade me from any builds involving minion cruelty for our coop run.

[sonic wind]

Rude, none of us here ever engage in minion cruelty.

I definitely have not ever applied infernal shade to bees just to leech off them.

[austere breach]

imagine a bee abomination

[sonic wind]

abeemination.

still need someone to do a creator unique for it

[noble flame]

@lost gale @wintry flame @muted mist GOOD NEWS!

[sonic wind]

praiseth be mike

[noble flame]

Now I gotta revisit my bleed and spell damage sacrifice builds that I gave up on because of the bug.

[austere breach]

maybe a T8 aoe affix

😎

could be a good idea

it would even seal the affix

so we can craft an op amulet

[old hull]

Race conditions are no fun

[austere breach]

1 to 500 to 1 to 140 000

😭

I just got a LP3

I guess it's a good as I'll get

[austere breach]

first time I killed aberooth

the blood spectre build is stronger than anything I've ever played and try to make myself

[austere breach]

@noble flame@wintry flame it feels like + skills isn't that good on this build

I feel like I have everything I want

I wouldn't complain if I get it but doesn't seem worth it to use one like this

over a exalted

not sure

there is nothing left for me to take right, sacrifice dmg won't benefit minion

[noble flame]

Yeah, you really don't need extra skill points on this build.

[muted mist]

Never been so glad to be wrong!!

[muted mist]

My beloved wife: "to BEES???"

Good thing you've never actually done that

[sonic wind]

I'm trying to think of a time I played minions in this game that wasnt minion cruelty.....

I played storm crows once but I decided screw minion defences and just stacked revive speed and radius instead...

ok I played manifest armour a few times and you dont kill that one.

yeah I'm a good person then

[wooden harness]

whats better, increased minion damage or added minion damage?

[tender ridge]

called it

What do I win

[old hull]

Inherently, neither, you need both. As far as which to pick between, it depends on how much they give and how much of each you already have. They don't compete with each other super often, but usually added damage will be the one you have a harder time getting so you'd pick that.

Same applies for all dps scaling stats you have

[wintry flame]

I forget what I take but Pearls would be nice if you could fit Bone Curse even inspected. Think skills are pretty tight tho

[mint sluice]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy4m1P8Y
why this dude added crit affixes to a ghostflame lich? is it bc ghostflame triggers marrow shards?

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (65) / Warlock (28)

General:

▸ Health: 1,441, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 410.76, Regen: 15.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 529%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 20 Str / 21 Dex / 172 Int / 20 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 57% / 57% / 163% / 57% / 103% / 78%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 288
▸ Dodge Chance: 29% (997)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 10% (261)

Used skills:

Marrow Shards / Aura Of Decay / Reaper Form / Death Seal / Ghostflame

[lost gale]

Think you can make sacrifice competitive with mshards?

[obtuse quest]

That is a marrow shards' focused build lmao. Ghostflame is just the trigger

[austere breach]

all of this and only one LP2

rarer than I thought it would be

[sonic wind]

Curious, why do people run that belt?

Like the end threshold isnt really useful if you have mountain boots

[austere breach]

20% endurance, 10 vitality

endurance treshold

me im stacking vitality

seems to be a very good all purpose belt tbh

it sounds very competitive

for me

[sonic wind]

Just dont see how it beats 20 int on lich setups at least

[austere breach]

if you don't have a crazy one for your build

oh im a necromancer and stacking vitality

[sonic wind]

but I see people using it anyway

[austere breach]

so idk about that

[austere breach]

first time I use it

so I can't say

I thought it sucked 3 days ago

now im like this is goated actually

[austere breach]

also I guess it's easy to target farm

in a way that doesn't compete with your prophecies and stuff

like you put the echo on the weaver tree

you spend your weaver pts there

maybe that's a dumb argument

[sonic wind]

so is the 20 int belt

[austere breach]

then I don't know

20% endurance is annoying stat to get elsewhere

maybe

can't explain it

it's my first acolyte ;s

try to ask the others guys

this is so good with the sacrifice engine and temp minions

sounds BIS to me

[lost gale]

Used to give uncapped amounts of ward, pushing corruption on wraithlord in 1.2 you could get like 20k ward from the WL killing stuff at 5k corruption

[austere breach]

are the other relic really better

for thsi build

[lost gale]

Getting a good version of weavers will items is not reliable

[austere breach]

I feel like i got a goated one

for this

but I understand

[lost gale]

But yeah id expect some other relics to be better

[sonic wind]

Should defs be able to havoc/redemption WW items at cost of 1 will

lol

[lost gale]

Getting a single t7 you want shouldn't be much harder than getting a 1lp slam imo

[austere breach]

I got this today

got to 82 vitality and my idols are far from all being +5 via

vita

2 +5 and 1 +4

[sonic wind]

Main thing for me is just how annoying it is to go through a weaver rune a whole tab of them

[austere breach]

same when you have like 30 ascendance runes

[sonic wind]

i like forging window but when doing ascendance/weaver stuff yeah its awful

and corrupting

just want the shift right click approach

[sly forge]

@wintry flame For retal golem, Idk if we really need to snapshot

since we might need the mad alchemist ladle to have insane cast speed -> insane bone shatter proc

but mad alchemist ladle has very little minion affix support

the weapon with most minion affix support is the scales axe

[wintry flame]

That’s fair I haven’t messed with it in a while tbh

[old hull]

Staff and idols should get you plenty of cast speed

[austere breach]

😎

I prefered health than dmg on exalted mod

[sonic wind]

Random thought for retal golem. Doublecast friendly fire nova marrow shards + 2 golems?

[sly forge]

I mean using scales axe when summon golem then switch to ladle

because this build will not reach its potential if I don't do that

[old hull]

Not sure what that has to do with your idols and ability to equip a staff?

also, I don't think scales has anything that really snapshots, except maybe the dread shade effect

[forest vine]

anyone wanna help a new player out with acolyte leveling

[sly forge]

because equipping an idol and a staff does not let your golem to benefit from 300% minion dmg and insane wand cast speed

[old hull]

The point was that a staff and idols can already give a lot of cast speed... of course you can't equip a wand with it, but staves have full minion affix support. The thing about the axe doesn't make any difference and also doesn't work.

[lost gale]

acolyte can get giga cast speed from idols if they want to

I don't think any other class has something comparable to +33% cast speed while cursed given that you can get it 4x on pyramidal layout

sure not every build can self curse but you probably can if you really really want the cast speed

[old hull]

and you definitely will be self-cursing for boneshatter

[sonic wind]

Ladle is still an extra +120% cast speed from the unique affix no matter how you slice it.

even if you already have +300% cast speed, +120% is still an enormous amount

[forest fog]

Is there an updated build for warlock 1-100? I beat the game, now i'm just doing monoliths and my gear is god awful and i sold it and now i'm naked but i have 2.1 million gold on me lol

[sonic wind]

but why did you sell all your gear and what do you even expect to do with the gold?

[old hull]

Only if you stack 240 intelligence, which is quite a lot especially for a non-lich

Instead you could get ~90% cast speed and have better minion affixes with a staff. I'm not going to crunch the numbers or anything, it's just an option.

[obtuse quest]

Literally any whiplock setup still works.

[sonic wind]

Why would you not be going lich for bone shatter?

[old hull]

It's a minion build

[sonic wind]

death seal minion node is more damage than dread shade

when you dont need the flat from dread

[old hull]

Zero percent chance I'm going to run a death seal minion build

[obtuse quest]

With what uptime

[sonic wind]

I mean its enough uptime to kill whatever is looking at you the wrong way

if you need death seal to kill trash you are the trash

Other reason you would go lich is dual wield tho

wand suffix + offhand axe for 2 more flat damage suffixes

super rough planner https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BM6JnXaw

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (24) / Lich (55) / Warlock (13)

General:

▸ Health: 4,757, Regen: 80.34/s
▸ Mana: 407.51, Regen: 11.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 496%, Regen: 55/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 18 Dex / 248 Int / 17 Att / 57 Vit
▸ Resistances: 38% / 38% / 103% / 284% / 63% / 123% / 115%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 51%, Threshold: 1,046
▸ Dodge Chance: 50% (1913)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,397)

Used skills:

Summon Bone Golem / Bone Curse / Aura Of Decay / Rip Blood / Death Seal

[forest fog]

Is there an updated site for a warlock 86-100 build or should i go for another mastery?

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/infernal-flame-whip-warlock
https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/witchfire-warlock
Both of these still work because nothing changed for them for S4.

[forest fog]

I deleted my character my level 86 character

[tender ridge]

surely mike's bug fixes go through this week with a hotfix right

[tender ridge]

unironically, I want to see minion builds be viable across all three masteries

[old hull]

Yeah, used to be a funny meme/niche build before the overhaul to lich/DS

[tender ridge]

warlock has apocalypse but it plays less like a minion build

[muted mist]

I recall seeing some discussion that the minion node of death seal was broken in the Lich rework, was it actually broken? Did they fix it?

[sonic wind]

I'll test it tomorrow, it seemed like it was working but I didnt check too deeply.

[sonic wind]

Just wait until the part where we find out DS is bugged beyond imagination and it triggers death waves and hungering souls with minion stats. Like it shouldn't, but would anyone really be surprised if it somehow did?

[pearl snow]

In genuinely laughing. His reply an hour after the links saying he deleted the character LOL

[obtuse quest]

Ngl I didn't know how to react lmao

[lost gale]

I've not got much faith in witchfire but that seems harsh

[wintry flame]

They are coming in 1.5 apparently they did an optimization merge and none of the fixes were high prio enough to push as hotfix

[tender ridge]

awww

i wanted to play my soulfeast build for a day before PoE2

[lost gale]

that soul feast node should just say more dot damage with soulfeast or something like that too

[pearl snow]

mods got that quickness

[old hull]

Yeah, the phys branch on soul feast is mega disjointed, basically all its effects conflict with each other lol

[tender ridge]

yeah it really should be "More physical damage over time" so that the blood tethers get buffed

it would probably be able to compete with chaos bolts in single target like that

chaos bolts would likely still pull ahead just because you can get far more bleeds per cast, but it would be closer. Soul feast has better clear by miles though

almost literally since you can offscreen stuff

[old hull]

I'd also really like a node that disables the healing from soul fragments (doesn't need to be tied to the phys tree) and I'd settle for the blood splatter node just being not useless

[tender ridge]

they could attach a node to the one that reduces ward generation to completely disable it but gives more cast speed/damage or something

something like that

turn it purely into a damage skill instead of having any ward/healing utility

[old hull]

Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking, couldn't think of anything reasonable to convert it to lol

[sonic wind]

Imagine if there was a node that made it remove curses on cast in exchange for even more damage and making aoe explosions per curse removed. I would play warlock all the time.

[austere granite]

Hi guys, if you're running Warlock poison build, what stat would you pick for tier 8?

[cunning mist]

Is the previous season abom build still viable?

Kinda want to chillax and play minion after a month of pure melee characters

Tho is minion build in general omen viable?

[obtuse quest]

Yes.

[obtuse quest]

You’re going to need to be more specific, single type minions work pretty well, armies no

[cunning mist]

Oh that's great then

Gonna recreate my last season abom build

Tho i want to try Bastion shield

Used the mountain shield previously

[old hull]

Real, would be S tier probably thanks to how easily you can apply curses with wheel (and M4D gloves, etc.)

Unless they just gave it zero scaling, which of course is always possible

[tender ridge]

bone curse moment

[tender ridge]

oh yeah I remember why i actually stopped my warlock this season

it wasn't the soul feast bug but the traversal bug. for some reason, on my acolyte only, whenever I use transplant or evade there's a small chance I get frozen in place and unable to act at all. All i can do is disconnect or open my map of the timelines and right click a place to move there

[old hull]

It's a bug thing

[tender ridge]

swarmblade is supposed to stay in primalist chat. is this my punishment for bringing acolyte chat over there all the time

[sonic wind]

Swarmblade is too busy for that. Last I heard he is still waiting for his locusts to successfully kill ubberoth. Hes been in that instance for 2 whole patches now!

[night hemlock]

I think the mountain is just a far superior option, you’re block capped all the time not just in melee range and you still gain damage from stacking endurance anyway so it’s very low opportunity cost.

Only advantage would be Bastion might be easier to get up and running right away but I’m not really sure about that.

[lost gale]

The reason some use Bastion is because stacking strength (with cleaver) is a better damage multi than stacking endurance by a lot

IIRC

[wintry flame]

you can do both

and I do both in my Abom build

[tacit plinth]

Also bastion takes like literally no effort to get going so I dont need to worry about getting t7 endurance in other places,uber farming grind 700 uber with bastion was a joke

[vapid kindle]

the biggest advantage (imo) of bastion is you can easily slam t7 block effect and still be block capped, and with how absurd the block effect formula is it ends up being a lot of extra DR. bit harder to cap block with mountain shield with block effect as your t7. but yea the range downside of bastion is no joke

[lapis notch]

Hey, looking for some advice, what's a good non-minion build to play while farming the gear for the build I actually want to play? I'm almost done the campaign with the Maxroll Acolyte leveling build, and I eventually want to play the Rip Blood Lich build, but it requires a bunch of gear to function, so I need something I can use to fill the gap.

[obtuse quest]

Any Warlock setup works

[copper portal]

can someone point out what im doing wrong? my damage is kinda weak. im level 39

Im new to the game started yesterday. Im trying skeleton and mage

[obtuse quest]

1. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/
2. If you have an issue before lv 60~, that is generally a sign that you're doing something VERY wrong on a fundamental level. It doesn't look like it's skills. Maybe your equipment or playstyle.

[copper portal]

thank you!

[copper portal]

this is my equipment https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgRX4zgL

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 40

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

None

General:

▸ Health: 518, Regen: 18.56/s
▸ Mana: 112.57, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 71%, Regen: 10/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 23 Int / 2 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 8% / 0% / 7% / 7% / 3% / 17%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 104
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (38)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 13% (119)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 12%

Used skills:

None

[copper portal]

oh sorry i forgot to add the skills

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owL84p2R

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 40

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (30)

General:

▸ Health: 573, Regen: 27.84/s
▸ Mana: 112.57, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 81%, Regen: 10/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 28 Int / 2 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 8% / 0% / 7% / 7% / 33% / 22%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 26%, Threshold: 115
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (38)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (327)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 12%

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Rip Blood / Summon Skeletal Mage / Transplant

[obtuse quest]

Well yeah, cause the only equipment that is boosting minion damage is the neckalce.

[frail lotus]

Next time you can just click the import on top left
and it'll ask your account name & character name for online characters, offline telsl what it needs
and it'll take the exact stuff from your character without you needing to add them in manually

[copper portal]

Yes i found that hahaha. Tried looting more with minion damage and it works but not that op. Just enough to kill the monster

[wide token]

Have you maxed out the amount of minions you can have?

And I found it easier for myself to go for mainly summons, with the transplant used for movement

[copper portal]

you mean all the skill slot is for minions?

[wide token]

Yea its what I did mostly

Made things easy until I decided to go for an actual abomination build

[wintry flame]

For skills, drop rip blood, use Bone Golem, go for rogues and their more multi per warrior/archer in skeletons, Mages are okay just don't worry about freeze multi, but if you feel like you need something to do I'd spec Wraiths and summon them as needed and when you have mana. The reason is these minions all have good multipliers and/or flat damage early in trees. You could also get Dread Shade now, which would be a nice replacement over Transplant, which you can use unspecced after you set out the shade.

For gear you need to highlight Minion Melee/Spell and Minion Melee/Bow mods on ANY weapon. That's why your damage isn't good. I'd also recommend at least 1 or 2 early minion health regen affixes, so highlight that. Then % minion mods would be ideal and also regen or ward per sec for yourself. The unique chest piece isn't really doing much for you, I'd just swap it. Could get ele res on a rare or something with other affixes.

For passives, the Dark rituals node is ideal and capping forbidden knowledge, other points are whatever usually vitality for res/hp and minion health is good. The Regen from Blood armor is nice in Necro if you don't have it on gear, but once you get an affix or two on gear I'd replace it because you can get things like armor shred. Ideally you sacrifice a bit of the minion dmg and atk speed to get some ward per second from Soul conduits, it's a nice node for sustain early with the minion army setup.

I made a few of these changes in this planner https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOwMmWeG Hope that helps!