how come what 🤔
#suggestions
hexed dew
fathom fulcrum
I'm just wondering why you want it moved there? It's hard for us to consider suggestions when no reasons are given for them.
hexed dew
it's in the same group as #botchannel and #stargazing, which are channels whose use is fairly limited as opposed to this channel
people would be able to see the suggestions that are being made here easier
dull horizonBOT
fuck off knots :unamused:
lofty oracle
Dammit Arrem not in this channel
lofty oracle
There's been a similar suggestion that was rejected recently, Alexis
dull horizonBOT
fuck off knots :unamused:
lofty oracle
Please ignore this
fathom fulcrum
##24
midnight wolfBOT
wild cipher
Study room for 3 person ? 2 so less 4 so much.
magic jasper
We need more 2 people study rooms, and more 4 people study room (or 3 👀)
chilly leaf
1 person study room
peak holly
study room for particles of spin 1/2
hexed dew
Before I suggest to fuse them (though I'm indirectly doing it just now), what's the difference between #other-languages and #languages ? Since discussions going on in #languages can be held in #other-languages with no issues 🤔
And the other way around, that is
lime sparrow
#other-languages’s primary purpose is talking in other languages
#languages’ primary purpose is discussion about other languages, and secondarily to act as an overflow for #other-languages when that is occupied
before the creation of #languages not long ago, it was pretty much impossible to hold a conversation about other languages on this server at all, as no channel was suitable except #other-languages, in which you just get flooded out
peak holly
side-note: i wish people would use #other-languages to speak other languages and only use #languages as overflow
magic jasper
you can be the #languages people shooer berzi
peak holly
the what
peak holly
oh, had a feeling but wasn't shoor
magic jasper
Omg 🙄
fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser This channel is for suggestions about how the server is run. For suggesting resources, please use #resources
gritty geyser
oh cool sorry
midnight wolfBOT
@peak holly, your suggestion has been rejected:
@tacit relic, your suggestion has been rejected:
@hexed dew, your suggestion has been rejected:
wild aurora
since the quote ate up the answer : ##32 will be implemented in the new bot.
midnight wolfBOT
:white_check_mark: Suggestion: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/221708975698083841/680793679702917272
lime sparrow
and uh what is ##32?
midnight wolfBOT
:white_check_mark: Suggestion: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/221708975698083841/680793679702917272
wild aurora
mh yeah that doesn't seem to work again 😩
lime sparrow
it’s refusing to go back enough in time to follow the link
wild aurora
alias remind delete for remind cancel
fathom fulcrum
Basically, Callum used the command wrongly and hence it's broken.
remote granite
Btte macht spezielle Rollen für österreichisches Deutsch und schweizer Deutsch
hexed dew
use the suggest command @remote granite
remote granite
suggest spezielle Rollen für österreichisches Deutsch und schweizer Deutsch
midnight wolfBOT
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@remote granite, your suggestion has been marked as a duplicate.
crude orbit
@fathom fulcrum no such thing as user error it was just made wrongly 🙂
issue was not between keyboard and an inch behind my head
crude orbit
suggest resize regional_indicator_oe
midnight wolfBOT
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peak holly
🇺🇴🇦
wot
why did those two get merged
whatever. Anyway even the smaller two custom letters seem to be different than the default ones
lime sparrow
why did those two get merged
because that is the intended purpose of regional indicators
flag emoji are sequences of two regional indicators
fathom fulcrum
Make sure to use the >suggest command for making suggestions.
weary night
suggest Could we have a channel for posting art, like paintings or sketches that the community members have made?
midnight wolfBOT
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lime sparrow
(fwiw while I don’t personally have the need for such a channel, #archived-media doesn’t work for that purpose)
every time I’ve posted sth there, unless it was related to another convo in #general or sth, it’s just been pushed out by memes and there was never any comments
weary night
It could be other crafts too like knitting or sewing or plant art idk
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, we were already discussing previously the possibility of adding such a channel. But currently we just haven't bothered to decide it due to being in the transitional period between two bots.
weary night
It would be a nice thing to have, but its not of utmost importance
lime sparrow
I think it could be cool
peak holly
i have an enormous déjà vu about this conversation
weary night
Oh one more suggestion
suggest can we have some sort of system in writing, even if its just an emoji or something, so that people know which entries have been commented on by someone, and which ones are still awaiting comments
midnight wolfBOT
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lapis nymph
@weary night nachdem ich etwas korrigiert habe, hinterlasse ich ein ✏️ auf der Nachricht. Meinst du so etwas?
weary night
Ja etwas sowas
Damit andere schnell erkennen können, was schon korrigiert ist und was noch getan werden muss
lime sparrow
can’t be enforced, basically
weary night
It cant be directly enforced but it can be recommended so that at least some people do it
gritty geyser
it's not about to enforce sth. but it might help some to see if someone did some corrections. It could be apllied as helpfull rule or sth.
weary night
Ultimately a bot queue would be the best thing so that every submission eventually gets seen. (A first in first out queue)
But it would need a bit of work to be implemented
So its understandable if that doesn’t happen. But i think some kind of marker (like 📝) as a convention would be a nice improvement
Actually thinking about it a queue might actually be really impractical, scrap that idea XD
fathom fulcrum
If someone's writing gets skipped, they're welcome to just delete the old one and repost it anyway. As long as they're not reposting it constantly then it's fine to do that.
north skiff
So I'd like to propose creating a #reading channel. I know we have #resources , but it seems to me that everything there is focused on the learning of German. Would be nice to just have a place with reading material like articles, books (or e-books for that matter), and so on just to read. In a Japanese learning server I used to frequent they had it and it worked pretty well, got some interesting books out of that and places to get books from and so on. Of course I'm saying of reading material in German and no other language, in case that wasn't clear lol
wild aurora
@north skiff make sure to use the >suggest command please
north skiff
suggest So I'd like to propose creating a #reading channel. I know we have #resources , but it seems to me that everything there is focused on the learning of German. Would be nice to just have a place with reading material like articles, books (or e-books for that matter), and so on just to read. In a Japanese learning server I used to frequent they had it and it worked pretty well, got some interesting books out of that and places to get books from and so on. Of course I'm saying of reading material in German and no other language, in case that wasn't clear lol
midnight wolfBOT
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north skiff
thanks syro
lucid ledge
could we have a pinned link to birthdays in general again
lime sparrow
how about credit card numbers too?
wild aurora
?
peak holly
there was a google sheet with the birthdays of everyone who wanted to share his own, that's what she means
wild aurora
I know, the questionmark was directed at sascha
peak holly
my explanation also ;)
peak holly
suggest add the thinkingfast emoji (perhaps adding a bit more horizontal motion blur since it's not very visible) https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/400763079408746497.png
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north skiff
suggest There's no laughing emoji, you could add https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/266362554220150815.png?v=1 or https://cdn.frankerfacez.com/emoticon/263820/4
midnight wolfBOT
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peak holly
oh right forgot about that
umbral warren
suggest change roles channels names to German
midnight wolfBOT
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lime sparrow
I just wanna say I definitely disagree with this suggestion; I think it should be pretty obvious that this would cause chaos due to beginners being unable to understand the channel names
umbral warren
there are some channels that are already names in German, but it would be awesome to maybe have a name both in German and English.
That's even better for beginners to help them learn some vocabulary
indigo kelp
suggest a channel for German profanities, because if we wanna be fully fluent we should know that terminology, right?
fathom fulcrum
@indigo kelp Why a whole channel exactly?
indigo kelp
@fathom fulcrum Can I just straight up ask how to say, "Fuck" in the question channel? Among other words?
fathom fulcrum
Sure, as long as the words you're asking about are within reason. Some reasonable amount of swearing is fine, or if you want to check if a word you saw is bad, but don't use it as an excuse to be rude or say really offensive stuff.
Basically keep it within the boundaries of the server rules.
indigo kelp
Ah alright, thanks.
pseudo torrent
suggest restriсt the ability to write messages in #stargazing
fathom fulcrum
It was probably already set but got messed up somehow.
gritty geyser
This server has too many similar channels
It's hard to navigate.
There's no dedicated channel for grammar. There's #lessons, but people have to wait for lessons from someone instead of sharing grammar they learn
@umbral warren Completely agree. When I see name in german I'm just like wtf. It's natural that most people are beginners, so they'd have even more trouble figuring out where to post what
fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser Can you be more specific about which channels are causing problems for you?
And what do you mean by a dedicated channel for grammar?
fathom fulcrum
Yes, but what would it be about? What would you post there?
gritty geyser
You could always make a voting or something 🤷
I suspect many beginners / newcomers feel similar
I'd post grammar rules and examples
You can't really talk much in #german-only or wherever if you don't know much grammar
fathom fulcrum
The channel for asking questions about grammar is #questions
gritty geyser
yeah but it's not question, but rather content
fathom fulcrum
We have faq commands for summaries of grammar topics.
If you type >faq all in #botchannel , you can see the ones we currently have available.
This way people can call up the info for the topic they want any time they want to read about it, or to help people who are asking questions about it.
If you're interested in contributing faq entries, feel free to post in the #community-discussion channel. That's our channel where we can work together to discuss/create the content such as faqs, lessons, and other community projects.
As for the other question about the channels: it's really hard for us to improve stuff like this if we have no concrete idea of what the problem is.
For me, the channels are fine, so if there's an issue, I need to hear your specific and detailed explanation of where you're getting confused and how you think it can be improved.
lime sparrow
This server has too many similar channels
There's no dedicated channel for grammar.
I feel like these are contradictory wishes
gritty geyser
Ich hab einen Vorschlag. Ich denke, wenn die Admins unterschiedene Raums machen kann z.ß. A1-A2, B1-B2, C1-C2 zum lernen oder üben, ist es besser für die neue leute.
Mann kann einfach sprechen daüber viele thema mit ihre sprach-level. Aber es ist nur ein vorschlag, ich hoffe es ist hilfreich.
fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser Um einen Vorschlag zu machen, benutze bitte >suggest.
Ich möchte auch wissen: wie wäre es besser zum Lernen?
gritty geyser
Oh, nein, entschuldigung ich hab das nicht verstanden, Ihre erste message
Also, ich denke, dass die leute die A1-A2 gemacht haben, könnten at that level sprechen. Und wer hat B1-B2 level gelernt, sie könnten in die andere channel sprechen velleicht? Weil es ein allgemein channel ist, kann alle mit ein andere auch sprechen, aber viele können nicht verstehen. Es wäre leichter als die allgemein channel, wenn level specific channel auch sind.
Hoffentlich habe ich klar sagen, entschuldigen Sie von meinen Fehlern
fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser We have a bot command >suggest which you can use to make suggestions. The bot records them and we respond to them. If you make a suggestion without the command, it's not as likely that we'll give an official response.
As for the suggestion itself, I have a few questions about it.
How would we determine what is a Level A thing and what is a Level B or C thing? How would we moderate it to make sure people kept at the same level?
What happens if only Level A people are talking to each other and learn mistakes from each other?
And what if having a Level A channel makes beginners scared to try talking in other channels?
They might say to themselves "I'm not good enough to talk in the Level B chat even though it's a topic I'm interested in ".
And also: why can't they speak about easy topics in #general-2 or #beginner-german ?
#general-2 doesn't have a level requirement. You can speak in English, German, a mix, you can speak about easy topics or difficult topics. Whatever you like.
gritty geyser
Ah okay got it, sorry I'm new to the channel so I didn't know I'd to use that command. My apologies.
fathom fulcrum
Oh, it's no problem at all. A lot of people do that, but we just remind them to use it.
It's just because it's easier for us, so as a mod team, we can all discuss together and agree on things at a set time.
gritty geyser
And well, the way I've learned from Goethe, some words or connectors like wäre, würde, hätte are A2 level, or indicating the person knows atleast A2
B1 onwards I've no idea because I haven't learned myself, if I had I might've been able to distinguish it a bit clearly.
A1 is quite basic and you might notice a lot of people starting sentences with ich or using very simple sentences without many connectors apart from und, oder, aber.
B1 I guess people will start using more of konj maybe, and past perfect tense..however I'm not sure, I have an extremely vague idea about that.
B2 onwards it's hard to distinguish as it is mostly just vocab and how much each person practices so yeah.
It might be difficult to moderate though I can see how, but this was how I'd thought of it. Atleast the beginners might find it comfortable, but you made a good point that maybe they get scared of talking to others, so that might not be good. They might pick up mistakes too, which could hamper their learning so that's true too.
And they can definitely speak in allgemein and practice, I've nothing against that, I was wondering if the separate channels would actually help however I doubt it now based on the points you've given.
And yes I understand it's difficult for the moderators, I'll be more mindful next time!
fathom fulcrum
I really appreciate the clear explanations for your suggestion. It helps a lot for us, even if we don't accept a suggestion straight away, we can understand more about the potentially issues of the server for later ideas.
But yeah, we have definitely thoroughly and carefully considered this idea in the past. Basically the points that I mentioned are why we have rejected it in the past.
We feel like there are more downsides than potential benefits.
But if you come up with a really good way to do it that doesn't have those issues, we can probably discuss that more in future.
Right now are perspective is: instead of making a bunch of channels, we want to encourage people to use channels like #general-2 and #beginner-german effectively.
If you want to help with that, you could try coming up with some beginner topics and start a discussion there and encourage other beginners to join in.
That would definitely be cool and might solve the problem you're noticing.
gritty geyser
Ah yeah, fair enough. You would've considered these points naturally, I forgot about that haha! But they're quite valid points for rejection I feel too.
I guess the lack of human touch due to texting might further add to misconceptions while "talking" so yeah people might get easily discouraged.
And yes I do agree, that the perspective you all have chosen are really good. I really appreciate that there are separate rooms for writing, talking and practicing! That really caught my interest when I came here.
And well, I could but I don't know at my A2 level if I would be as helpful as any of the native speakers here you know? I know like probably 4th standard German if I'd to say😅
There isn't any problem I've noticed though, it's just something I thought that might help beginners, everything seems well I feel. People are posting their writings and stuff so it seems to be serving its purpose well!
fathom fulcrum
You don't need to be a native speaker to have a practice discussion with other learners. So feel free to do it no matter if you are a beginner or not. 😄
For example, you can go there and say "Hallo Leute. I want to practice speaking about the topic of food! I'm level A2 so I would love to practice with other Level A people. If you are interested, let's talk about what we ate for lunch today." and then see if some people want to join. Just pick any topic and chat. (But it's fine if you don't want to do it, it's just a nice suggestion.)
gritty geyser
That's a beautiful idea!
I'll try to do it hopefully tomorrow, if I get the time for it.
Also nice to meet you Base😁
You're a native speaker too I guess?
gritty geyser
Ahh das ist schön!
Hopefully someday I can actually speak proper German with people and get my grammar right for once haha
dull horizonBOT
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wild aurora
@lime sparrow wdym ? 👀
lime sparrow
suggest We’re all getting bombarded with coronavirus stuff from all media everywhere already. can we perhaps restrict the topic in this discord to some extent (akin to how e.g. politics is only allowed in some channels)? (this isn’t in response to any particular thing, just in general. we’re all affected by it by now and I’d be happy to take my mind off it a bit when I’m browsing discord)
dull horizonBOT
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sand bramble
@lime sparrow it's already being discussed and will be implemented as soon as we agree on the details.
lime sparrow
personal suggestion: restrict it to #archived-culture-study-visa, plus maybe #general-2 or #german-only since that channel tends to be english-only
peak holly
my suggestion is make a channel specifically for it and redirect all discussion to it. The channel can be removed later on when the matter is exhausted
and the channel can easily be hidden by anyone who doesn't care
random marsh
Can you make like a beginner practice room?
fathom fulcrum
@random marsh Make sure to use the command >suggest to make suggestions.
But we prefer not to make a practice room for beginners only, as it makes it harder for beginners to learn from more advanced speakers. If beginners only learn from other beginners, it encourages learning from each other's mistakes.
We have several channels when are suitable for beginners to use:
#beginner-german - a channel where you can practice and no one is allowed to interrupt you, basically a dedicated learning space
#general-2 - a general channel which is usually not busy, where you may use a mix of English and German, suitable for having conversations in German while asking questions in English
Practice Room and Study Group voice channels - dedicated study spaces, and in Practice Room, beginners are given priority; if you are a beginner and need people to reduce the difficulty to your level, you may ask them to do so and they should accommodate that
spring wolf
suggest As there are some 'off-topic' channels, I believe that people should be allowed to stream content that is not necessarily linked to German learning. For example, I myself enjoy programming and creating projects and as there is a text chat specifically for programming, I think I should be able to stream that to others that are interested. If they aren't interested, they simply do not join my stream.
dull horizonBOT
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peak holly
don't streams only work in voice channels?
gloomy matrix
that is correct
daring stag
ok ich spreche 3 dialekte deutsch ich spreche die sprache sehr gut mein vorschlag ist 1-30 minuten in deiner freizeit zu üben und in 8 monaten-1 jahren wirst du fließend sprechen.
Translation:
ok i speak 3 dialects german i speak the language very well my suggestion is to practice 1-30 minutes in your free time and in 8 months-1 years you will speak fluently.
gilded hearth
suggest I'm finding for typing üöäß an easy way is to install the german keyboard and learn the few nuances you need. Useful to learn if you ever have to work in Germany and its taken me about 5 minutes to learn. This is for windows but I'm sure there is the equivalent for MacOS and Linux.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4496404/windows-10-manage-the-input-and-display-language#input_language
maybe add this to the bots suggestion for keyboard
also super easy to switch between your normal version and German version.
Just Win+Space
Much easier than learning autohotkey and messing around with scripts.
gloomy matrix
these are already in the keyboard faq
fathom fulcrum
As a note, if anyone has trouble with autohotkey, feel free to ask. It's extremely simple. Even if you can't figure out how to do it yourself, you can just get someone else to create the file for you, which you then only need to double click to run.
shadow hedge
Can you add a poetry section? I'd really enjoy it and for B1-B2 poetry is a really good way to improve your German. I'll post there at least.
gloomy matrix
you'll need to use the >suggest command to have it formally read/accepted
shadow hedge
suggest Can you add a poetry section? I'd really enjoy it and for B1-B2 poetry is a really good way to improve your German. I'll post there at least.
dull horizonBOT
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sand bramble
Can you clarify what you mean by section? Like, to the resource list?
shadow hedge
channel*
A channel
on learning there is a resources channel
I want to add a poetry channel
Gedichte
shadow hedge
@sand bramble
static pulsar
I like that idea.
shadow hedge
Me too
fading agate
agreed with @shadow hedge
fervent oracle
suggest we have a channel about german culture? that would really help me because i want to learn the language with the culture, but have been having trouble
dull horizonBOT
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gloomy matrix
suggest add the new art channel to the channel list in #282831147942281216
dull horizonBOT
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lime sparrow
@fervent oracle #archived-culture-study-visa
dull horizonBOT
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lofty oracle
aw, last one broke the rejection spree
static pulsar
Why do we have coding but not poetry? I don't think that's fair. I say we try a poetry channel out and see how much use it gets.
fathom fulcrum
If we got rid of the coding channel, people would just get mad that everyone is talking about coding in #general
Whereas you can talk about poetry in #general quite freely.
Although I should add if you want to post poetry you wrote yourself, I think #arts-and-crafts would be fine to use.
static pulsar
Okay, sounds good.
mossy gulch
Would music also fall under art?
sand bramble
Yes.
A channel for posting creative things which you've made yourself.
Tbh even the three poetry dudes might use #arts-and-crafts, since I doubt it's something that would be posted often, and that channel is quiet anyway.
Edit: I now see Base said the exact same thing.
If we got rid of the coding channel, people would just get mad that everyone is talking about coding in #general
Yeah, #coding is used daily, and with the amount of CS people on the server, programming talk can certainly dominate other channels. We made the #science group for it originally, then when even #science got flooded with CS talk only and people couldn't use it for learning, another split was made. So that's my personal recommendation for this situation too. Nothing speaks against posting your poetry into the #arts-and-crafts channel, and if it turns out to be a popular topic, we can see what can be done about it.
crude orbit
suggest add something in hw faq to direct people to #questions
dull horizonBOT
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north skiff
@shadow hedge I already suggested a german reading channel (so, including poetry) and they rejected it
Because "there was no interest", so maybe if you guys show interest they would add such a reading channel so we can share all sorts of german literature
peak holly
if it's about sharing one's own stuff there's the art and crafts channel i think
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, we're fine with posting anything you wrote in #arts-and-crafts . Obviously if it's long, use a Google doc or something.
crimson pivot
suggest history channel
dull horizonBOT
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crimson pivot
@gritty geyser
gritty geyser
Oh yeah. Fr add a history channel. That would be cool 👌
wet python
suggest we need a channel for our bot's characters.. like whever we get a new one, a picture of it and reference or story should be added.. you guys come up with epic stuff
dull horizonBOT
Aborting...
wet python
Brooby McBroobface (01.06.2019- 01.09.2019 or something like that) will always be in memory
peak holly
a history channel would eventually just degenerate into aliens
gritty geyser
Into aliens? Lmao
gritty geyser
suggest Mehr deutschsprachige Kanäle für spezifische und aktuelle Themen. Um mehr tiefgreifende Diskussionen zu fördern. Ein Beispiel wäre ein Covid-19 Kanal.
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wet python
@peak holly haha good point. Probably a command with ▶️ ◀️ controls to switch between them
magic jasper
suggest a bot to lock the lesson channel until someone clicks on an emote after reading some texts pinned to #lessons.
Problem: often sessions are interrupted by users joining without bothering first to check #lessons to see what's going on. Such as what text is being used for reading currently and that interruption can at times be extremely disruptive to the flow of the lesson
dull horizonBOT
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lime sparrow
is this at all implementable? in particular, since the text channel is used as well, the relevant message would move out of sight quickly and someone joining in with a delay would possibly not even see it (and thus miss that there’s a lesson at all)
perhaps as another idea (which I’m not proposing directly, but it might be worth thinking about): lock the voice channel to people who have the actual relevant role. the main issue I see with that is that in past reading sessions we’ve always had some people joining in who had no idea what was going on and then had a good time, and we’d be missing out on that
fathom fulcrum
I've personally not really seen any "extreme disruption" from these situations. Only minor ones. People who run sessions have the option to mute disruptive people.
lime sparrow
in the reading groups I’ve been in there’s someone joining in and immediately starting to talk about every 5 minutes or so
they usually stop once they’re informed there’s a lesson (and if not they get muted) but it’s still very disruptive
and since it’s like, different people every time you can’t do much about it
wild aurora
well since we're planning on adding a command that lets session holders change the name of the VC I'd prefer to play around with that one first and see if it tackles the problem at hand
I agree that it's kinda annoying but I'm not sure if locking the channel is the right way to go
magic jasper
Or maybe once you join and active lesson that's been started that you get muted for 1 min by default
And maybe they can through listening understand what's going on
Or they get a participation role after x minutes is another way to do it
It hasn't really been a problem on other servers though and maybe it's because this server is big. Not sure how many on the French server
peak holly
i had thought of suggesting that too but i think in that muted time people would just freak out because they think it's a bug and maybe try to come in and out of the channel, which may be more disrupting than otherwise
magic jasper
Maybe the bot messages them to let them know what's up.
We haven't had a reading for awhile and maybe this is no longer a problem 🤷
At least it's a fun programming task
fathom fulcrum
It's a fun programming task to get the bot to send a message? How so?
peak holly
you get to fire up pycharm ☺️
peak holly
intellij, pycharm, same thing
magic jasper
No. Its a fun task to send a message to people who have joined lessonsvc while the channel is flagged as being in session
They might be muted until they acknowledge something in the message
Or maybe the message contains session info
Like the current session info. I haven't a clue. Its just a Problem that might not be a problem but it's just recreation to think about
The French server tried something kind of irritating. They had temporary text channels that eventually disappeared once sessions were over.
To minimize clutter
But then you couldn't see the channel again until there was another session so you couldnt review session chats
But like sometimes you think you have something solved only to miss some details that you hadn't considered
crude orbit
suggest add gloves to
so as to promote good hygiene
dull horizonBOT
Aborting...
stiff zinc
suggest I think a point system for doing the tasks would be cool!
In another server I am in (Cave of Linguists) they do activities and if you participate you get in game points which help you towards getting a higher rank. I know its not for everyone but I have a lot of incentive when it comes to these points. I think maybe you could add chats for each level and you unlock a new chat when you go a level higher. This is just to act as more award 🙂
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weary night
suggest would it be possible to have a monthly text, something short like a tounge twister or something a bit longer, which learners record themselves reading out loud and then have their pronounciation evaluated?
I know that the reading lessons somewhat are aimed to do this, but i feel like they‘re more aimed at practicing comprehension. It would be nice to have something purely for pronounciation
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gritty geyser
@weary night sth like :
Des Weiteren ist das Übrige auszuschließen und im Übrigen sind die Ausschlüsse zu erweitern und die Erweiterungen sind ausschließlich zu erübrigen. Erübrigungen werden des Weiteren ausgeschlossen. Ausgeschlossene Erweiterungen sind übrig. Übrige Ausschlüsse werden erweitert. Erweiterte Erübrigungen werden ausgeschlossen. Auszuschließende Erübrigungen werden erweitert. ?
weary night
Das finde ich etwas herausfordernd aber ja sowas wäre schön.
Wenn es so einen Text aber gäbe, wäre es auch schön, etwas einfacheres für Anfänger zu haben
weary night
Verstanden 👍
stiff zinc
suggest make roles for each region in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland that native speakers can get depending on which regional dialect they can speak. This will be helpful since learners can find a speaker of a region they wish to learn about much easier.
suggest make roles for each region in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland that native speakers can get depending on which regional dialect they can speak. This will be helpful since learners can find a speaker of a region they wish to learn about much easier.
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lime sparrow
@stiff zinc suggested about every two months or so
even I, who originally asked for it quite vocally, have been convinced that it's not worth the effort
lime sparrow
in essence the issue boils down to two things:
first of all, it is not at all clear how to draw the lines between regions. cultural and political boundaries don’t align, and neither align with dialectal boundaries. nor is it clear just how detailed you want to go. many people also have less clear-cut regions of origin, e.g. having lived in multiple regions throughout their lives, feeling attached perhaps to multiple, or none.
second of all, it is questionable whether there would even be benefit to it. I wager that almost all learners here are interested primarily in a generic standard german, without much regard for regional specifics. compound that with the fact that most people don’t check what roles people have anyway, beyond perhaps asking what the colors mean, and you’re left with very few people who could profit from this. And they could only profit from it, if the natives actually decided to use those roles, which requires giving up details about yourself you may not want publically listed on your profile at all times. and if half the active natives don’t have such a role, then it becomes essentially worthless
hasty tapir
suggest This may have been suggested before. But it would be nice to able to differentiate where each learner is from, (ie. The US, France, India, etc. etc.) by having the option to add a respective country role. When learning, it's nice to be able to refer to those who are from your country, but are more advanced in the language, to where they are able to explain concepts that make sense to the other learners.
For example I go to a German language school in Mainz. My instructors are German and they speak very good english. But sometimes there are concepts that they try to explain in both German and English, that are only explainable by speakers who are near native fluency in both languages. This is where confusion can set it. Normally for myself I am able to piece things together. But I think national roles would kind be a benefit. (this is not intended to divide up the community but make it more accessible to those who may not speak english fluently as well.)
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lime sparrow
...pretty much the same reply as to the previous suggestion applies here too
fathom fulcrum
You're always welcome to add any relevant info to your name.
magic jasper
suggest A command for lesson hosts to have all users muted upon entering vc. I don't know what you guys did for April 1, but everyone including the host was muted upon entry and the host unmuted people.
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lime sparrow
just make me mod already
crude orbit
No you need to argue in DMs with an admin for several days first
lucid ledge
honestly when are we going to #modßasche
spiral knoll
suggest to create a Nur Deutsch room for only 2 persons - I'm the most active member of this server and I'm not progressing anymore with silly Woher kommen Sie, thanks for understanding
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gloomy matrix
counterproposal - we already have a fucktonne more vcs. if anything rename one of the study groups. but as a learning server with a high turnover of new users, especially within the vc area, i doubt a nur-deutsch vc would fix that problem. as an example the nur-deutsch text chat has plenty of the dead end wie geht's dir convos in it very regularly. it is also frankly hard to have in depth conversations with strangers. i think the best way to make the most out of here is to develop natural friendships with regulars who are fluent or native and leverage those relationships for conversation practice if you're looking for something a bit more advanced
gritty geyser
Might have already been suggested, idk, but.. ability to be more exact (genauer) about german language level, e.g. A0, A1, A2. B1, B2, C1, C2
delicate hawk
roles are decided by people. most learners dont care to go that detailed into giving themselves such a detailed role. and also people only have a vague idea of their language level. also if implemented, how would it help you/ other members?
gloomy matrix
detail also provides a bit of pressure to perform to a certain standard without mistakes
fathom fulcrum
Even with just A B and C, people get caught up too much on trying to decide if they're A or B, and so on. 😄
If you add in A1, A2, B1, etc. people will be even more confused.
gloomy matrix
There is also a lot of variety within each numbered level between e.g. someone who just passed their B1 exam and someone who hasn't passed a B2 exam yet but is late into learning B2 content
peak holly
not to mention most people actually qualify as different levels for each language skill, rather than having everything on par
gritty geyser
true that, I am having the same problems deciding myself what level I am
lol
i just passed A2.1 with my course provider
but i still feel dumb so
A0
or rather, A in this case, because we don't go to that level, so I can feel better now.
peak holly
it's perfectly normal to still feel a bit lost even in late A stages btw
heck i even felt bad when i got to c
(i still feel inadequate now but a bit less)
gritty geyser
such a long way to go D: B is such a long one too. Because I work full time I'm doing the course part time and it's taking forever
how long did it take you to get to C?
peak holly
couple of years, but it's hard to count because i had started learning grammar ages ago and then picked it up again for good later
gritty geyser
Sometimes I also make obvious mistakes especially if I am arguing or just talking more quickly. I mean, even the best English speakers I know who are German natives still make mistakes sometimes too
I correct myself when I notice my own mistakes too but I do not always notice them : P
peak holly
it's pretty much impossible not to make any mistake while arguing even in one's own native language, unless you're trained (or don't care about spewing bullshit) :P
gritty geyser
I have had to argue with my old German roommate a few times sadly lol
spiral knoll
vielen Dank
wheat lantern
@spiral knoll Viel Glück.
tawdry junco
A chanel for resource
wild aurora
like #resources ? 
tawdry junco
I didn't see that, sorry...
foggy path
suggest renaming "Nur Deutsch" into "German only" or something similar - or at least adding the translation - since total beginners don't know what it means, therefore talking/asking in English and having to be told the rule, disrupting the flow a bit. Happened at least three times this evening alone.
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lofty oracle
It used to be deutsch-only
was changed into full German because of a suggestion
And I'm absolutely sure that people would speak English in there even if they understood the channel name perfectly
north skiff
And I'm absolutely sure that people would speak English in there even if they understood the channel name perfectly
Some people who have no idea of German barge in there speaking English and people feel bad and/or just stick to English from that point on. So at least when we're there we can confront them with the obviously understandable title. It's way more logical to have a title that's understandable for everyone, specially when it's the only channel with a special rule.
sand bramble
We called a channel lessons and people still go in and scream hey yo what are you all doing in here. 
I truly find it amusing.
magic jasper
Yeah, people just go there to chat.
Please make a command to have people mute on entry 🙂
I'm the only one that love that feature
north skiff
We called a channel lessons and people still go in and scream hey yo what are you all doing in here.
@sand bramble You can't make zero people do that, but surely more people would go in and go HEY GUYS CAN I ASK A QUESTION if the name were "Unterricht"
wild aurora
I mean #german-only has a German name too and there are very few cases of somebody speaking english in there
I think it mostly comes down to what you said in your other message, namely that it starts with one person saying a few words or sentences in English and then all the others in the channel join in instead of reminding others that they have to speak German
fathom fulcrum
I can understand how it can be annoying if people join and speak English, but I personally don't at all understand this "we have to keep speaking English because someone else spoke it once".
peak holly
often people just don't notice which channel they're in and keep going with the flow. Sometimes discord gets really fast paced with channel zapping, especially if you're in bored mode and have many servers
and, let's be honest, some maybe realise their mistake and decide to keep doing it because other people are doing it
one of the reasons for the concept of bandwagoning is that humans feel stupid when they're the only ones doing it differently
north skiff
Exactly, people don't want to be rude or a stick in the mud
Nobody wants to be "that guy" who starts policing
And it's just one example, even if people didn't do it, it's just more logical to make it clear to people that don't speak German that only German must be spoken in there, I fully agree with Shindeiru
wild aurora
I'm just wondering if changing the name is the right approach
Like I said it works quite well with #german-only and it's really not about "policing", I don't think it's unreasonable for others in the channel to point out the rules, in fact we actually expect members to remind others of the rules in case they break them
And of course we're not talking about trolls here, it's mainly people who don't speak German and I get that you want to include them and they want to be included but frankly if you can't speak German, this channel is simply not for you
There are enough other channels you can switch to if you want to include others
fathom fulcrum
If you're not willing to tell people to speak German, and if you just "go along with it", you are part of the problem. I think the biggest step to reducing this issue in Nur Deutsch VC is people accepting they have a responsibility to encourage correct use of the channel. If you are choosing to encourage it, of course it's not going to improve, no matter what we, the mods, try to do.
north skiff
Like I said it works quite well with #german-only
But chat is different, like Shindeiru said it breaks the flow and in chat there really isn't a flow, you can just ignore a message and move on
If you're not willing to tell people to speak German, and if you just "go along with it", you are part of the problem.
I do remind people, but most people don't and I don't see why you are choosing this over simply changing the name of the channel. What even is there in favour of keeping the name "nur-deutsch"?
If you are choosing to encourage it, of course it's not going to improve, no matter what we, the mods, try to do.
Making the name of the channel understandable would certainly help
fathom fulcrum
The main point of my reply is to express that by far the bigger problem is people choosing to speak English and encouraging misuse of the channel. A small interruption is annoying, yes, but it's not the actual problem in this current scenario that has been expressed here.
north skiff
Right, I may even agree with that, but that's no argument in favour of not changing the name
foggy path
There is a difference in ignoring a rule because it is written in a language you don't understand, and ignoring a rule that is written in your native language, just because you're obtuse/troll-ish.
fathom fulcrum
You basically have a really big issue (people, such as yourself, choosing to speak English intentionally) and a relatively small issue (some new people interrupting with English). If you don't fix the bigger issue, trying to fix the smaller issue isn't really going to do anything. It's really important for me to make that clear, because it's the only way to really improve the problem you're describing.
north skiff
It's still an issue that can't be fixed, I don't understand this fixation to keeping it a certain name when it's creating what you see as small issues
We spend a lot of time in Nur deutsch and it's definitely a daily thing
If you don't fix the bigger issue, trying to fix the smaller issue isn't really going to do anything.
I'm not following your logic here, they are separate issues
fathom fulcrum
Yes, they are separate issues. That's exactly what I'm saying.
north skiff
Right, so why bring up the other issue?
foggy path
I suggested the change, because I (and others) do not want to repeatedly do, what a name-change should automatically be able to achieve. After a change, there shouldn't be any excuse for that sort of behavior.
fathom fulcrum
The big issue you described is unrelated to the name suggestion.
wild aurora
Separate issues with the same effect, we'd rather like to fix the bigger problem before going into details if that makes sense
north skiff
How is it unrelated? wtf
It's obvious that when a new user with 0 understanding of German enters the channel he shouldn't be expected to know that it's a rule to not speak english there
wild aurora
He should, since he's expected to read #282831147942281216
foggy path
the most common denominator between a German learner and a voluntary German teacher should be an English channel name, since a German, deciding to do that, must be able to speak English; and a native obviously does as well. Not changing it is just an artificial roadblock for learners, since native Germans understand both names anyway. There is no logical reason not to change it (in my opinion).
wild aurora
Well nobody has rejected the suggestion, we merely want to point out that there is a immensely bigger problem that should be fixxed first
fathom fulcrum
Yes, that's why I'm pointing out it's a separate concern, but one that's very important for us to explain to you.
You've expressed two different problems in your explanations of the issue. One of them could be solved by us (the suggestion, which we'll discuss later), and the other and more serious problem must be solved by the people using the channel.
north skiff
Right, so we have:
Option 1: Keep the channel name, expect new users to read #282831147942281216 (which isn't even a rule btw), have people who don't speak German interrupt the flow of people speaking German, expect users within the channel to shut people speaking English up
Option 2: Change the name (you're free to tell me what problems this will bring)
Sounds to me like an obvious choice.
foggy path
Therefore, not changing it foists an issue onto volunteers while it should take the administration a few seconds. Just because a bigger problem, the administration and the server have to deal with, exists, shouldn't be a reason to start a debate about a simple name change. I'm a bit confused about the latter ö.ö
north skiff
there is a immensely bigger problem that should be fixxed first
You're not being logical, why not fix a small problem you can fix in literally 30 seconds and take care of a separate problem at whatever pace is needed?
Why should we wait to fix all other smaller problems until the big one is fixed
fathom fulcrum
Because suggestions have to be discussed by the whole mod team, which we do at a set meeting time.
foggy path
ah, that is a clear and logical reason. Thank you for clearing that up.
north skiff
You're, or at least Syro, is wondering if it would be the correct thing to do
I'm just trying to explain why it would be the correct thing to do
fathom fulcrum
None of my comments in this discussion have been about the name change. They are all addressing the other issue you mentioned.
north skiff
Granted
that's true
Also I agree that yes, we should be enforcing nur deutsch more for sure
sometimes people get carried away talking in English and it defeats the purpose
(me included)
so yes, with that separate issue I agree
Although I must also say that the problem that Shindeiru was talking about is english speaking people interrupting german conversations in progress, but whatever let's net get stuck in the details
foggy path
In regards to obtuse people, yeah, those are annoying and sadly inevitable. But we shouldn't add the unaware/clueless people to the problem as well, when they can be filtered quite easily. That's what I tried to point out. The other issue is a cultural/human one.
gritty geyser
Just read the above conversation, sad to hear obviously but understandable. I understand a good chunk of German and originally entered to mostly listen. My speaking ability is low and frankily.. Im embarrassed haha. Is there a better place maybe you could point me in the direction of? Sorry for speaking English yesterday.
fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser You mean a channel where you can speak English? Every channel allows English except the ones which are labelled Nur Deutsch.
crude orbit
suggest voice channel for other languages
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glacial stump
suggest Is there a reason for there not being an #other-languages equivelant as a voice channel?
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fathom fulcrum
You don't use the command for that. You can just ask the question. @glacial stump
glacial stump
oh
Bruh " Note: Only suggestions that were submitted with >suggest are considered for discussion"
😔
I'm smol brain
how am I supposed to figure this shit out?
fathom fulcrum
The whole reason we made the >suggest command is so people can freely have discussions without their suggestions getting lost.
fathom fulcrum
Well it sure won't now.
fathom fulcrum
How would an anderesprachen VC even work though? What if two different languages are there at the same time?
glacial stump
good question
a #languages equivelant aswell
for when one is occupied
I mean, yeah. It stops working when multiple different languages want to speak there
Question though, Simon usually learns German with vezel through Norwegian, how does that work?
Like, then it's German + Norwegian
And well, vezel usually teaches me German through Norwegian aswell
steady locust
We could have two?
wild aurora
personally I'd say if it's in a study group where everyone speaks norwegian it's fine, but doing it in a public channel is just ignorant and disrespectful
steady locust
" ignorant and disrespectful" bruh, that is an equally asshole thing to say. We asked if we should switch to english, they wanted to listen to scandianvian
i think its pretty ignorant and disrespectful to say that to us, that is going to far
glacial stump
You guys followed us when we changed the channel...
was
"ignorant and disrespectful"
my ass
hecke joined and told us that we could speak scandinavian and that she only wanted to listen to it
wild aurora
well but that's how it is simon, you are effectively excluding others who don't speak that language
glacial stump
People do that by speaking English aswell. Not everyone here speaks English either
steady locust
its also ignorant to asume shit you dont know, just how it is, only saying
suggest at least make it okay to speak forgein languages in study group, and not just individually think its okay or not
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steady locust
suggest two forgein language/german vc channels, allgemain but with other languages. Two to get to choose, and if its too few it would just be the same as the other vc channels getting overfilled or when andressprachen gets multiple conversations, you ignore and mute those who dont want to hear, or just accept listning to two diffrent conversations.
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woeful ridge
Wir können jeden Tag zur gleichen Zeit ein bestimmte und verschiedene Thema unterhalten ?
sand bramble
Wontfix. The old bot stops counting new stars after like a week.
crude orbit
worst mods ever im not gonna use your bot on my server
lime sparrow
funny that, they don’t want you to either
(source: I asked for source code once to copy some functionalities over or at least see how it’s done)
fathom fulcrum
Is that with the new bot or old bot?
fathom fulcrum
Then that was not the decision of any current mod.
fathom fulcrum
Only 0x1 made decisions about the previous bot, yeah.
gritty geyser
I think creating a "Questions 2" room would be great.
Sometimes there are other questions in there, and I don't want to disrupt their learning with mine.
They often mix up, and this kind of disrupts a conversation, for example.
The French server has three rooms for that.
suggest Create one more room for questions.
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gloomy matrix
practice i think currently informally carries that load
peak holly
it's not quite on equal level though. I keep practice muted and i expect others may also do that while they keep questions on
wild aurora
would you mind elaborating on disrupts a conversation a bit ? 
gritty geyser
For example, one starts with a question, and then I put mine too. Then the focus changes to my question and the other guy's question becomes forgotten.
Or the questions begin to pile up, and then someone who can actually help doesn't see all of them, and those questions eventually fade away.
Or say some guy starts a question, and I put mine, and then there is this whole explanation that makes the guy's question vanish.
Or the contrary too: there is an explanation happening, and then someone puts their (unrelated) question in the middle of it, and then it just.. erhm... spoils it.
wild aurora
Mh tbh I rarely see questions go unanswered
gritty geyser
😮
wild aurora
And if they do it's mostly because nobody can answer them
gritty geyser
I think a Music room would be really great to have.
terse vortex
suggest A "jude-my-accent" channel
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glacial stump
judge*
terse vortex
oopsie
glacial stump
terse vortex
Well damn
glacial stump
They'll probably get what you mean though
terse vortex
glacial stump
I know, can't be sure with these mods 👀 (no ban pls)
terse vortex
glacial stump
I'm afraid so
dull horizonBOT
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glacial stump
👍
terse vortex
terse vortex
suggest music bot
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delicate hawk
i am pretty sure you the current bot has music abilities. i have seen people before use it in the voice channes
i dont know how to summon it tho
lime sparrow
suggest This is a small thing but if someone pings you to notify you of spam or sth, and you clean it up, could you also clean up the notifying message? Without context they have a tendency to confuse people who didn’t see the spam originally and they don’t serve any purpose anymore.
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pliant wave
suggest Server recommendation:
I feel like currently the server is achieving its goals of helping people learn and maintain their German, however... I feel that the server is not very effective in its processes to achieve this.
The reason I feel this way is because: the voice channels do not have a limit on them (well most of them). If we look at a server like the English language discord, they have many channels that have limits to make conversation more engaging and accessible for all levels as it’s room capacity makes conversing more meaningful.
The German learning discord contrasts this by having everyone bunched into one room which feels incredibly awkward. I feel a remedy for this would be emulating the English Language discord’s voice channel layout by having channels with more caps between the range of 5-6 people.
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gloomy matrix
There are 3 vcs iin here that have a member cap and more often than not they're empty. In my experience here people tend to flock to the busiest looking voice channel.
pliant wave
That’s precisely the point. People have no option but to go into the large chat that is a clusterfuck which disrupts the flow of the conversation.
gloomy matrix
they do have options though
they're just not using them
the english server is also tenfold the size of this one so there's always people in many VCs there. this isn't the case here.
pliant wave
But they’re so minuscule and insignificant that people don’t consider them as they’re not the optimal size to converse with ‘nor are they in sufficient surplus to support the servers population.
gloomy matrix
I personally think they are. Maybe 1 6 person channel would be worth trying - e.g. up study group 3 to 6 but i doubt we'd see a change in user behaviour
pliant wave
Time’ll tell 🤷♂️
fathom fulcrum
Can you explain more about how you think a 6 person channel would help? @pliant wave
pliant wave
@fathom fulcrum sure.
peak holly
i think the name study group may lead people to think they're for some specific purpose instead of simply accessible to all for any conversation
gloomy matrix
history has shown that people ignore channel names anyway
peak holly
and the fact that there are unlimited channels may very well be the thing that makes the limited ones pretty much invisibile
pliant wave
When you’re conversing in this server currently some random arsehole can join your channel and disrupt the flow by hijacking conversation as there’s currently no limit on most of the channels.
Also when in the main channels like ‘nur Deutsch’ or ‘allgemein’ people have a tendency to just sit dormant and it feels real awkward.
I’m not saying remove the channels with no-cap, quite the contrary; I just feel it’d be more beneficial to have channels with caps outnumbering the ones without limits.
Sorry for the slow typing (on mobile)
gloomy matrix
I think it's because the average spoken german ability on this server among learners is relatively lower. this server attracts a lot of very fresh beginners and only a few a diligent enough to stick around and be active in vc when they can do spoken german.
this server also gets a good amount of memers who just join to dick around in VC in english
pliant wave
@gloomy matrix I agree. I am a complete noob at German, but I feel that these small channels will allow beginners, intermediates and advanced to progress their language learning or maintain it much easier as the (lower level speakers) won’t feel overshadowed by more proficient speakers; the more proficient speakers won’t be bored as they’ll be exposed to more resistance as they’ll be able to engage in more stimulating conversation.
gloomy matrix
that argument has come up here before and the mods have their reasoning for not level-splitting channels
wild aurora
but that's an entirely different problem 🤔
beginner chats are usually echo chambers for mistakes so we try to avoid that
what you described might still be a valid problem yeah, but that's why there are plenty of other VCs to go to
if the beginners choose to stick with the more proficient speakers or vice versa, there's nothing we can do and no amount of VCs will fix that
fathom fulcrum
Yeah. The primary problem we tend to have with this kind of issue in VCs is learners not being proactive enough in choosing how they use the VC. For example, choosing to speak English, choosing to join busy channels, choosing to speak with people of a different level.
The mod team generally tries to avoid artificially forcing solutions to problems that revolve around the choices/freedoms of the learner.
pliant wave
I guess I didn’t consider that perspective. Thank you 😃
fathom fulcrum
And as a side note: remember that the Practice Room is a VC designed for learning productively together. You can start study/practice sessions there of whatever level you want, and if people interrupt or disrupt it, you're welcome and encouraged to ping the moderators.
Although by "whatever level you want" I more so mean beginners, since advanced speakers can just use Nur Deutsch.
pliant wave
@fathom fulcrum cheers for the recommendations, I’ll definitely apply them now in my approach to this server.
gritty geyser
Plz add music bots
gritty geyser
and add streaming
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gritty geyser
I like it very much how you guys assess every suggestion and give your insights on them. Thank you mods/admins.
steady locust
Suggestion 26 is not in any way a duplicate of of suggestion 24. It is about a full study group where all the parties speak another, but the same languages while the other ones are just a general forgein vc
proven adder
suggest Pronoun roles
I try to make a habit of asking and then remembering or writing it in notes because I don’t want to be rude and accidentally misgender people but having roles would make it much easier to quickly check and interact with others. We could have he/him, she/her and they/them as neutral ones
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proven adder
or actually, having them in german would probably make more sense. sie and er (and possibly a neither, name only option? idk)
gloomy matrix
I think that would fall under the similar scope of region/location roles
delicate hawk
if the person cared about their pronouns, wouldn't they just put something like that in their nickname?
gritty geyser
Hallo, ich habe einen Vorschlag.. Es gibt ein Discord Bot, Mudae. Mit diesem Bot kann man viele Games spielen. Zum beispiel, teaword. Ich habe Teaword in English Server gespielt. Also, man muss die Wörter in English suchen, die der Bot fragt. Jaaa, ich glaube, dass das Spiel sehr spaß und hilfreich ist eine Sprache zu lernen.
Es gibt blacktea, in dem die Mitspieler abwechselnd Wörter eintippen muss. Redtea, greentea.,, usw..
Ich glaube, dieses Spiel ist auch auf Deutsch verfügbar. ^^
suggest Mudae Bot for Teaword games
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delicate hawk
i hope this gets accepted/ implemented atleast temporarily. it sounds like it would be fun.
gritty geyser
yep,, its a good way to learn new vocabs
lofty oracle
It won't
they don't add foreign bots
Maybe they would add the game to our own bot though
delicate hawk
What's the problem with foreign bots?
sand bramble
We don't want a pile of random bots for every single thing, and we can't know how trustworthy foreign bots are. So our preferred solution is to just implement features in our own existing bot (which admittedly might take some time given that we're in the middle of a complete rewrite atm, which is also why we have two bots currently running), but if there are cool things that people want to see, we're happy to add it to the todo list.
wild aurora
Session Holders may stream for learning purposes but apart from that we don't allow streaming in the server
lime sparrow
Also as for purpose of a gaming channel, you do not need to stream your monitor to play games together, do you?
lime sparrow
those are far from the only games that exist and playing those games ins’t the focus of this server, so I doubt it
cursive mauve
Maybe we could have a compliment/appreciation channel where people can post sincere nice things about other users, or bring someone’s willingness to help learn to attention for example. We can spread some positivity ☺️
unique tiger
shit suggestion, leave the server
lilac urchin
Lmao acid
cursive mauve
lofty oracle
you're supposed to use the >suggest command
lucid ledge
I second bros suggestion, there are too many people who work behind the scenes who deserve praise
proven adder
that would be very wholesome and cute
gloomy matrix
you're very wholesome and cute
delicate hawk
its gonna be a dead channel within a week
instead its better for the mods to do a announcement kinda thing to thank all the people
perhaps weekly/ monthly/ whenever someone seems to be contributing a lot to the server
gloomy matrix
or thank them personally in dms
fathom fulcrum
We generally prefer not to call out individual people publicly, cause if people get missed, they will feel bad.
But yeah, honestly, everyone here, if you see someone who you think does a great job, feel free to DM them and thank them.
warped depot
suggest in another language server I saw they had a 'hardcore' mode/role where it deletes any messages sent not in your target language. I can't say I know how it functions, but I think it'd be a good addition, considering a number of people have (Nur DE) in their name.
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peak holly
that would require a bot to read every message and check with an AI whether it is in a certain language. It's not impossible but the detection is never 100% correct because of the way AIs work
wild aurora
The bot checks every message anyway
peak holly
mine wasn't an opinion on the suggestion, just a comment
lofty oracle
I think that has been rejected in the past
lofty oracle
Why would Arrem do such a thing
lilac urchin
He is torturing me with English
static pulsar
I would die instantly.
lilac urchin
Same mebbu xd
static pulsar
suggest yodelling learning and appreciation channel
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lucid ledge
alya says 'die' in a sentence
bot immediately bans her
lilac urchin
Lmao
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loud pivot
Suggest A group for sport discussion- the Bundesliga's restarting and as a non-German this has made me watch the Bundesliga and have questions about it where I wouldn't otherwise so it seems like a topical time to add it. It could function like the other groups for food, coding, etc. I guess we could include mind sports like chess and e-sports but I take no strong stance on that issue.
lofty oracle
I think the command is case sensitive
peak holly
yeah
also you could discuss that in #archived-culture-study-visa at least until (if) a group for sports is made
terse vortex
suggest teacher role
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wild aurora
Could you elaborate on that ? What would that role indicate/be used for ?
wild aurora
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terse vortex
Uhm idk I just saw it on the English Learning discord server and thought we could need that as well
wild aurora
yeah but what purpose does it have lmao
terse vortex
Vielleicht für benutzer die sich besonders gut mit Grammatik und deutsch allgemein auskennen
wild aurora
das wäre ein wenig irreführend wenn sie nicht auch wirklich lehrer wären oder?
terse vortex
vielleicht
minor aspen
suggest I suggest that #282831147942281216 be edited, because of the recently added channels such as #pronunciation and #questions-2
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minor aspen
suggest I suggest that a keyword be added somewhere into #282831147942281216 to check if the newcomer has read the rules. I got this inspiration from a server I've recently joined. The newcomer would have to type the keyword into a welcoming channel and only then he would be let in. I might have included this in my first suggestion, sorry, but didn't think about it back then.
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obtuse stone
The bot won't consider editings @bronze fern
So if the command was wrong in your first try the bot won't see anything now. And before you may wanna consider typing
>faq lessons
in #botchannel since that might be what you're looking for
terse vortex
suggest Division of the cfer roles into 1 and 2
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lime sparrow
this reminded me of this pinned message: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/468145108013809696
apparently that is no longer up to date - the linked file is “in owner’s bin”
might wanna clean up the pinned messages in this channel some day
anyway @terse vortex the suggestion has come up a few times so I can speak for the opposition here since I’ve seen their arguments a few times now ^^ the reason they’re not implemented that way is that most people don’t know their level accurately anyway and even now quite a few people never get a role simply because they don’t know which one they should get. being more specific would make that issue worse
you should think of the roles are more vaguely “beginner”, “intermediate~advanced” and “proficient”
sand bramble
I removed basically all of the old pins since none of them were relevant anymore. The message you linked to was before the suggestion system. Now we just mark things as duplicate with the bot if they've already been answered in the past.
lime sparrow
as a followup to this question tho, I wonder if it might be better to name the roles sth like “beginner” instead of “A” and give a rough correspondence between the roles and CEFR levels in #282831147942281216?
perhaps four roles, beginner, intermediate, advanced and proficient (roughly ≤A1, A2–B1, B2–C1 and C2)
quite a few people are somewhere on the high end of A / low end of B where the roles as they are currently are not really clear and they keep getting told that they should prolly be on the other role
and the division CEFR makes is imo not really the best
fathom fulcrum
How would changing the roles improve that?
lime sparrow
slightly finer subdivision, somewhat clearer names
there’s juts a huge difference between “just started out” and “high A2”
fathom fulcrum
Wouldn't people still have the same problem of being told to change their roles? Maybe even more so, since the names have connotations attached to them (based on the word itself), unlike cefr.
lime sparrow
and our roles don’t at all reflect that, they all get lumped together
I just think the Level A role in particular is too broad
of course it’s not quite clear when someone stops being a beginner either
just food for thought
I can make it an official suggestion but I just wanted to spark a discussion, really
fathom fulcrum
Sure, I just don't see any way it would reduce problems. I can only see it causing them or making it more complicated.
For example, the CEFR roles aren't going to go away since they are inherent in the process of learning German based on materials, exams, and so on. So it would be introducing 2 different systems instead of just one.
lime sparrow
well my suggstion still links them to CEFR
just subdivides it differently
because the variation among “A” in how you have to approach learners is pretty huge
fathom fulcrum
I haven't personally found it to be that different.
lofty oracle
I like Sascha's suggestion though
I think it currently feels like too big of a leap between each level
terse vortex
Maybe we could add level roles like Beginner, Advanced... and CEFR roles for those who know their exact level
lucid ledge
@terse vortex to what purpose is cefr represents the same thing
gritty geyser
ein Meme-Kanal
fathom fulcrum
@lofty oracle It may seem that way, but there really has to be a balance between making it useful but not too specific.
In my experience the main significant outlier is complete beginners. But people are complete beginners for only such a short period of time, that creating a whole role for that usually isn't even worth the trouble.
Other than that, no matter how you choose to group them, whether you group A1 and A2, A2 and B1, B1 and B2, etc. you're going to have the same issues. But if you split them up, you're going to have the issue of it being too detailed (people get really stressed about which role to choose, even when there's only 3).
Adding more roles doesn't fix the problem, it just exacerbates it.
And even if one person thinks their way of grouping them is the best, someone else is just going to come along the next day and argue for their own way of grouping them. There's not one best way, you just have to strike the balance between function and simplicity, which we've decided is the general CEFR levels (A, B, C).
If there's any good argument for why another grouping system is objectively better than that, we can definitely discuss it.
gritty geyser
we already have #general though blossom
@gloomy matrix nono but one dedicated to only memes so they dont get spammed away
wheat lantern
suggest Im französischen Server gibt es einen Events Chat der durch deren Mitglieder gefüllt wird. Unter anderem werden darin Stunden für Stammzellenforschung und andere Fächer angeboten. Vielleicht könntet ihr das auch auf dem German Learning Server anbieten. Nur ein Vorschlag. Die Umsetzung liegt in eurer Hand.
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gilded swan
@wheat lantern Also bieten da Servermitglieder ihre Zeit für Unterrichtsstunden in verschiedenen wissenschaftlichen Disziplinen an und widmen ihre Zeit dafür Unterricht vorzubereiten etc. oder wie darf man sich das vorstellen?
rigid ivy
suggest Ein Kanal für Bilder von Haustieren
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lucid ledge
suggest following the fact that the conversation had today about the nsfw aspects of saying 'getting laid' and by further extension all mentions of sex led to no leeway from both sides, I'd like to suggest a whole mod overview of nsfw guidelines with participation from the community, making it easier in the future for mods and users to distinguish their behaviour
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harsh wolf
suggest Can we get Bundeswehr emojis?
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left prairie
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jagged heron
Ich gehe ab und zu in den sprach-chat 'nur-deutsch' um Deutsch zu reden. In 9 von 10 Fällen wird dort Englisch gesprochen. In dem Chat 'nur-deutsch' kann man einen Moderator taggen wenn jemand eine andere Sprache spricht. Gibt es sowas in dem sprach-chat? Ich bin neu hier und traue mich nicht den Mitgliedern dort vorzuschlagen dass sie entweder ihr Gespräch auf Deutsch führen sollen oder in einen anderen sprach-chat gehen sollen. Also mein Vorschlag ist dass es die Möglichkeit gäbe einen Moderator zu 'taggen' in dem 'nur-deutsch' sprach-chat. Ich weiss nicht wie dass funktionieren wird (von der Technik).
lime sparrow
du kannst einfach einen moderator in #voice-chat pingen
oder sonstwo
aber irgend ein anonymeres system wäre vllt nicht schlecht
winter frigate
Du kannst nur ein DM zu den Mod schicken, ob du nich willst das die anderen @ ping sehen...
lime sparrow
suggest implement a bot command through which anyone can send in user reports in a stream-lined fashion. e.g. in the above case, pearl could do sth like
>report A,B and C were talking english in the nur-deutsch voice chat when I joinedand the bot would send that message to an internal channel like #helpers so someone can take a look. I suspect only the more active members of the server would end up using it regularly but it might still be useful
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fathom fulcrum
@lime sparrow What's the intended goal of the command? To have a command for reporting, or to have Helpers be notified of issues?
Because if it's the latter, it probably doesn't need a command. We can probably just do it whenever someone pings the role itself.
jagged heron
@lime sparrow @winter frigate Danke für die Infos und Vorschläge.
fathom fulcrum
And as for the former, we already had something like that, but no one ever used it.
wild aurora
Yeah we had that system for more than a year and we only ever had two users make use of it
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, we had that with the old bot. We didn't reimplement it yet. Technically we could, but really, no one used it, even when we explicitly told them to.
lime sparrow
because just typing sth here or whatever makes it visible to everyone
wild aurora
It's even in #announcements
fathom fulcrum
It was a private reporting system.
lime sparrow
fair enoug
jagged heron
Hmm yah it's hard to reconsider something when it hasn't worked in the past. Thanks for listening.
lofty oracle
Shit I actually forgot about it completely but could've used it a bunch of times
lone marsh
Make me the server owner.
weary night
suggest is there a way to make the locked Interest groups more known to the community, a lot of people dont know about them
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obtuse stone
They are in #282831147942281216 though
weary night
They are but i still feel like people arent seeing them
obtuse stone
Yeah, true. I'm just wondering on how to change that
weary night
Maybe adding it to the welcome message
Hmmm it already says go look at info
I dont really like the fact that theyre invisible unless you have the role
Maybe set it so that theyre visible even if you dont have the role
But are muted/cant write in them unless you have the corresponding role
wild aurora
Well the idea behind groups (which actually have a channel, so not something like Reading) is to provide a place to talk about certain topics that would otherwise very much dominate the general chats
And often that is not because so many people like to talk about the topic in question, sometimes it's just a few people simply holding very long and in-depth discussions
The point is that these groups are not necessarily interesting for everyone and are certainly off-topic in terms of the server goal, and that's why they are opt-in channels
I agree that they deserve more love and visibility but making them inherently visible to everyone might be problematic because people feel like the list of channels is suddenly super cluttered with channels they are not even remotely interested in and they'd have no option to effectively hide them
But once again this probably mostly comes down to the fact that most people are too lazy to read #282831147942281216 :/
peak holly
i don't think that's what was meant by making them more visible
obtuse stone
I dont really like the fact that theyre invisible unless you have the role
But by this :P
peak holly
it simply means "make users more aware that such groups exist and they can opt-in to them"
oh
i didn't even notice that line :>
that's not the original suggestion anyway
obtuse stone
That's right
fathom fulcrum
We're planning to review how #282831147942281216 is presented, in the near future, so if people want to express their opinions about how to present these things in that type of format, feel free to post those opinions here.
By "that type of format" I mean just static information posted in an information channel.
However, as mentioned, as far as making them more visible outside of information channels, I don't think it's really worthwhile. I'm fine with only people who are willing to read #282831147942281216 being able to access them.
obtuse stone
(for #282831147942281216)
I could imagine a 'table of contents' being helpful maybe.
If you look at info now it kinda looks like just a big chunk of information that you couldn't really remember, when you read everything at once.
Maybe also the note to look there first if looking for some information. Table of contents would then tell for which caption to search in the text which would be a rather small read.
In case that there is agreement with this, I would suggest posting it (the table of contents) below btw, cause that's where you get, when you click on #282831147942281216
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dark scarab
suggest a weekly online discord debate German Lerners v native speakers which anyone can tune in to, listen and cast votes for who should win. (although the native speakers have an advantage it would be good to see members get behind either team). Topics could include: do we have a right to basic income, more should be done for the climate, Twitter should be fact checked etc
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lime sparrow
something something want to remain as apolitical as possible something something
spiral knoll
I advice to set a test of German language before being accepted to this server
lime sparrow
that would be very counterproductive, seing as this is a server meant to be welcoming to learners, which includes beginners
like it would literally be the opposite of what we’d want
spiral knoll
see, there's only me, Mr. Med, and Mightymouse who are really modivated, the other don't give a damn about learning German, I've added 600 frriends and I never saw them again
this server is called German learning that means that it's not for trolls and jumpers
there's 17 000 members on here and they don't care about German, they want to troll, jump and speak English
I advice to set up level of German knowledge accordigly a, b, c
I tired to answer everybody where I live and who I aam, they get to know the info and then they say tschuess
discord is for gamers and not for looking after everyone and filling in the spys databases
lime sparrow
you have a total of 57 messages on this server, I really don’t think you are one to judge who is and isn’t motivated. there are a lot of people here who are studying seriously (and many many more who aren’t but that isn’t an issue)
spiral knoll
I've learnt German with audiocourses so I can speak and I cannot write, I don't want to talk in written chat in order not to memorize the mistakes of the beginners
weary night
a lot of natives, b and c levels write in the nur deutsch chat, and any mistakes in there usually get corrected pretty fast
its good to write, even if its just one of those: wie gehts dir: mir gehts gut: woher kommst du: ich komme aus... kind of conversations
spiral knoll
that kind of conversations is a waste of time for the B2 level that I am
weary night
und wenn du schon sprechen kannst, aber gar kein schreiben kannst, könntest du vielleicht "speach to text" aufm Handy probieren
lime sparrow
I cannot write
pretty sure that disqualifies you from being B2
lime sparrow
these language levels are supposed to be holistic. you’re only as good as your worst skill
but I digress
static pulsar
I must agree with Sascha.
lime sparrow
yes the voice channels are a bit of a mess I think
they’re much harder to moderate because anything that happens while no mod or helper is present just goes on without anyone ever knowing it happened unless it’s reported
so if you encounter trolls in voice chat, report them or they’ll just come back
it might be worth considering having a set of voice channels that only more active members can use… but that still has various issues regardless of how you implement it, because it effectively punishes newcomers and is really only a bandaid (the underlying issue of “there are trolls in VC” will not be gone)
I don’t have any ideas of how that could be fixed though
spiral knoll
that'a why I advice the set up a test of German before getting acces to this server
lime sparrow
and that is a bad idea becaue this server is supposed to be open to beginners
spiral knoll
the begginers know a couple of sentences so wie Woher kommen Sie, Wie alt bist du, und Was machen Sie beruflich und dann gehen sie weg und nie zuruck
lime sparrow
so?
spiral knoll
sie sind nur die Zeit werschwenden, sie sind nicht motivirt
lime sparrow
you’re generalizing over a very large group of people
yes, many beginners do stop learning the language again, that is to be expected
but some do not
and we want to make sure those are welcome here
people who join here and then ignore the server don’t bother anyone
spiral knoll
sind Sie Moderator seit lange Zeit? Wann Sie sind, koennen Sie merken dass nur Ich in VC bin
Ich habe da 2 Niveauen erreicht
lime sparrow
I’m not a moderator, I’m just a longterm user (and helper) who understands the general philosophy of this server
spiral knoll
ok
weary night
i joined a server for learning another language with NO previous experience, if there were a test, it would block out people like that
spiral knoll
reward the chat and see my test result please
gritty geyser
blyat
lime sparrow
yes I’ve seen them but that is a quick online test
it is not meaningful
the sentences you wrote above have too many errors for B2, but this channel is not the place to discuss your language skills so I’ll stop
spiral knoll
we are infringing the rules - so add me too friends and call me in private
lime sparrow
it is, as I mentioned, 3:30 in the morning
I will not have a chat at this time
I also, honestly, don’t have any desire to chat in private with a person I only just met here
spiral knoll
have a good night then
gloomy matrix
a couple of points
- any vc servers are hard to moderate without a fulltime staff which on a discird server moderated by volunteers you're just not going to get that. thus most discord servers rely on users reporting when there's a troll in vc because the mods have jobs and uni and can't sit in vc all day. if trolls are such a problem report them. ping a moderator with their username and what they're doing.
- i second all of sascha's points above. there is a very vibrant community in the text chats full of native speakers and motivated learners who i talk to every day, including people who regularly pm with me. one might have to try a different approach with how one interacts with people if their current one isn't helping them build the kind of relationships they want.
- the same thing happens on the english server. randoms pm you if you're a native but it's hard for both people to maintain a conversation when they have nothing in common. imo pming strangers just doesn't work. you need to build that rapport first in group settings and figure out who you actually have things in common with that you can talk about.
lusty crater
imo pming strangers just doesn't work. you need to build that rapport first in group
100% agree
thats why i stopped using babbel
lapis nymph
@spiral knoll kannst du bitte deinen Vorschlag mit dem Befehl >suggest machen? Sonst kann dein Vorschlag verlorengehen.
ich persönlich finde, ein Test würde nur Anfänger verschrecken und wir möchten, dass sich alle im Server willkommen fühlen. Aber vielleicht könnten wir etwas tun, eine Art Barriere einrichten, um Trolls abzuschrecken
wild aurora
make sure to use the suggest command please
unique tiger
i dont think it works when u edit it lol
gritty geyser
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suggest : make screen share possible in study group channels, that way people can screen share when they're studying or show eachother texts etc..
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weary night
suggest screen share for reading sessions
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weary night
Actually it would be better just for lessons as a whole
gloomy matrix
@weary night session holders already have go-live permissions
weary night
Oh wow i didnt know that
(Maybe if i actually held a session i might have XD)
I have a copy of tintenherz which is quite a light read, it would be good for a reading session
still grove
That's a great suggestion! I didn't know that session holders had that kind of access, partly because there hasn't been sessions going on in the past few weeks. Bluhu you probably meant might have btw😅
gloomy matrix
I think it's mostly because those of us who have done it have been super busy with the coming exam season. When break starts things should start happening more regularly again
severe cave
suggest Anderen Sie BITTE die name des Channel "Nur Deutsch". Die name ist in Deutsch und wenn man kein Deutsch gelernt hat, dann kann man kommen und Englisch sprechen. Es soll "German Only" oder "German Only 1" sein.
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void dust
suggest Neue Rollen für Länder mit jeweiligen Landesfarben
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gilded mauve
suggest Können wir, wenn jemand >CEFR A0 tippt (oder < ich bin nicht ganz sicher), bitte automatisch die Level A Rolle vergeben? 🙂
Mistig
suggest Können wir, wenn jemand >CEFR A0 tippt (oder < ich bin nicht ganz sicher), bitte automatisch die Level A Rolle vergeben? 🙂
Ernsthaft
suggest Können wir, wenn jemand >CEFR A0 tippt (oder < ich bin nicht ganz sicher), bitte automatisch die Level A Rolle vergeben? 🙂
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gilded mauve
JA!
clever zephyr
suggest Namensänderung des Kanals "practice" auf "correct-my-text" , weil im Moment viele, die einen Text korrigiert haben wollen, diesen in "writing" posten
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clever zephyr
Ich schlage es nur vor, weil ich gesehen hab wie Spotify Slag immer wieder reinschreibt, "Korrekturen bitte in #beginner-german", und dachte, vielleicht ist der Name "practice" nur nicht verständlich genug.
Natürlich könnte man ja auch einfach zulassen, dass Leute ihre Texte zum Korrigieren in #writing posten. Oder sogar einen neuen Kanal für Korrekturen erstellen.
aber hier steht das war so gedacht:
https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/252121415912914946/538469988198252565
obtuse stone
Man soll sie als google doc posten und in der google doc korrigieren, darum gehts. Ansonsten soll mam z. B. #beginner-german nutzen
gloomy matrix
practice however isn't only used for corrections so if a change were to be made i'd be more in favour of a new channel rather than renaming practice?
but i also think it will come under the same issue #writing has in that people don't read things like channel descriptions or the #282831147942281216 channel.
e.g. see the numerous people a week who post 'wie gehts' in #lessons
clever zephyr
ok ich entziehe meinen Vorschlag
gloomy matrix
I definitely think #beginner-german 's purpose does need to be re-examined in general though as through the several months I've been active here I've seen it used for a variety of different things without its description or 'official' purpose changing - i think it just hasn't been very clearly defined
suggest Extension to seiji's now retracted "Namensänderung des Kanals "practice"" suggestion to include a re-examination of the purpose of the #beginner-german channel and more clearly defining what exactly the channels purpose is (and if that so be a dump for #writing corrections then an appropriate rename).
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severe cave
suggest coding voice chat please
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raven crag
suggest Please update A1/A2 Schritte Vocabulary list cause link doesn't open
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gloomy matrix
suggest An anki faq entry that links to the resources on how to set up anki decks etc
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gloomy matrix
Linking to even this would be good i think
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pvxlg3sEJShG7lT6eKI2voUaCnGrTyhOPEDGwwGpcQU/edit (doc courtesy of base)
void dust
suggest Rangen für Mitglieder, die festgestellte Zahl der Nachrichten geschrieben haben, z. B. die erste Stufe für 5 Nachrichten, die nächste für 25 usw.
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wild aurora
What would be the purpose of these roles ?
peak holly
encourage people to write random stuff or split simple sentences
into
needlessly
many
messages
fathom fulcrum
Encourage people to get got by the bot.
terse vortex
suggest ein animiertes server-icon mit den flaggen von Österreich, Schweiz und Deutschland
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peak holly
would be cool
gloomy matrix
personally i find animated server icons distracting. if there's a way to turn off the animation for them like with emojis that'd be nice though
lime sparrow
idk if it’s some setting but on pc they only get animated for me if I hover over them. and on mobile they’re not visible unless I go to the server list, and even then it’s only animated when I’m in that server
that said I think that suggestion was actually accepted at some point in the past, it’s just that no one’s bothered making a good-looking icon
peak holly
but on pc they only get animated if I hover over them
exactly
azure stream
suggest Anstatt von den sub Commands ein Reaction Role System. Klar könntet ihr das selber coden, aber ich empfehle hierzu Carl, da er die Reaktionen auch wieder weg nehmen kann. (Yagpdb kann ich auch empfehlen)
Sind 2 größere Bots.
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tranquil mist
suggest Ich würde einen Musikkanal toll finden. Ich wünsche mir etwas in die Richtung...
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wild aurora
@tranquil mist can you elaborate on that ? Do you mean a VC or a text channel and how would the latter differ from #archived-media ?
tranquil mist
@wild aurora Man könnte ja einen Textkanal für die Musikbefehle haben und ein Sprachkanal wo es nur dort erlaubt ist, Musik abzuspielen.
wild aurora
You can invoke commands in #botchannel though 🤔
Currently the music feature of our bot is disabled but it will return at a later point in time
tranquil mist
@wild aurora ok
@wild aurora Man muss nicht unbedingt einen Musiktextkanal haben.
Gibt es derzeit Musikbots auf den Server?
wild aurora
@dull horizon wird das feature bald erhalten
tranquil mist
@wild aurora Ok gut,danke fürs reagieren.👍 🙂
raven crag
suggest Add Clozemaster into 'Vocabulary' list of resources
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raven crag
suggest Add YouTube channel called 'Learn German with Anja' under Videos and Listening resource section
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peak holly
suggest an emoji for the purpose of "this message contains grammar mistakes or sounds unnatural". Compared to a direct correction, this allows to mark a message without interrupting the conversation flow, and a user can ask about it in a separate channel (like questions) or even choose to ignore it. We're testing it on the Italian learning server (under the name
:needsimprovement:to cover both outright mistakes and mere imperfections without being aggressive) and it's working well, we even noticed people writing more in italian and less in english across the server.
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peak holly
this is what it looks like by us btw
gloomy matrix
I like the sound of the idea. Some challenges to think about would be the propagation of knowledge of the emoji and its purpose / making sure newcomers are aware what it means
peak holly
on the it server we went with a faq, an announcement tagging the learner and native speaker roles, and the self-propagating memes the community was obviously bound to start
wild aurora
something something 3rd reminder that emotes should not be suggested via the command
Could potentially be useful though
peak holly
there was quite a bit of discussion on the visuals to make them unaggressive, general enough, but also stimulate curiosity if you don't know what it means. Seeing it definitely makes you wonder what it's about and when you see the name "needsimprovement" you probably get it at a glance :>
why shouldn't they suggested via the command? This is as much about a server feature than the emoji itself
gloomy matrix
^ I agree on that. This is more a server feature to be discussed than a simple aesthetic / fun emoji
wild aurora
Well it's about sticking to a convention which requires the participation of the community rather than the mod team if that makes sense
lime sparrow
I like this
peak holly
the mod team is needed to announce the initiative, it's not just about people reacting with a pepe to certain messages
wild aurora
Yeah sure but my point is that it's better to involve the community (and thus ask in #community-discussion) because people might not even like it or have different ideas or whatever
We can't just declare a convention if nobody backs it up lmao
lime sparrow
you could declare that we wanna try it and encourage people to use it and give feedback on what they think about it
wild aurora
I'm just saying that we did that with #writing and my guess is when you're reading this you're gonna be "what #writing convention?"
gloomy matrix
the mark corrected texts with the 📝 emoji but no-one reads lmao
lime sparrow
I know the writing convention but I acutally disagree with it cause that emoji looks like “I’m working on it” not “I did it”
wild aurora
Yeah and this is exactly why I'm saying this is more suited for #community-discussion than #suggestions
Because if we just implement it and nobody likes it, nobody will use it
lime sparrow
reacting with 🇩🇪 on stuff that is not german in #german-only also managed to establish itself
I think if we had that custom emoji, abtly named, and a few of us regulars started using it liberally, the rest would catch on
fathom fulcrum
I don't think this is really about whether it would work or not, but rather than it's a community project kinda thing rather than just a one-off action.
lime sparrow
we can’t start without a good emoji tho and none of the default ones are particularly suited
fathom fulcrum
Hence why #community-discussion is recommended.
And you have two separate things here: 1. suggesting a new emoji, and 2. asking people to use it in a certain way. Both aren't really #suggestions type topics.
And I'm just pointing these things out to clarify some of Syro's comments.
gloomy matrix
ngl i'm still in the camp of not understanding why was the community meta channel created and not just the purpose of this one expanded, especially since the bot means that formal suggestions are recorded anyway by the bot and thus don't get lost
fathom fulcrum
Because we needed a place where members could discuss stuff related to #community-discussion
For example, if people want to plan sessions together, discuss faq entries, all stuff that's unrelated to #suggestions
So we just created a whole separate space for all community projects and related discussions.
gloomy matrix
oh. tfw i've been putting faq suggestions in here lmao
fathom fulcrum
Exactly.
Hence why every response to those was "Put it in #community-discussion "
gloomy matrix
no every response was do it yourself
fathom fulcrum
True, that too.
gloomy matrix
because i didn't learn til like friday that i actually have the capability to do so
peak holly
methinks this excess of bureaucracy is going to limit the community's ability to improve and change things
there's been like 0 discussion on the matter itself, but it has been buried by needless discussion on where it should be discussed
fathom fulcrum
It's not needless discussion. It's important discussion.
And the point of the >suggest feature is that people can discuss stuff here without worrying about it being buried.
peak holly
sure, sure
weary night
I can make the emoji later today
Probs will just copy the italian one, its aesthetic
delicate hawk
As far as the catching on thing goes...... As soon as the people who are most active in #questions atart using it, its gonna organically catch on. Theres no doubt. And the emoji itself is pretty intuitive/self explanatory.
peak holly
(i'm the one who made the italian one so i just edited the original real quick and saved you some time)
proven adder
it looks nice and seems very useful!
peak holly
i wondered about including austria and switzerland's flags but it might make it unclear at small sizes
itried.jpg
lime sparrow
that strikes me as more confusing
it doesn’t look too bad (except you might wanna unify the reds) but it might be worse at getting the meaning across
the german flag is suitable as a symbol of standard german, since the majority of learners focus on german as spoken in germany anyway
the mixed one might be used for dialect stuff but that is very niche on this server ||:(||
peak holly
(except you might wanna unify the reds)
but that's not formally correct reee
but yes i agree, i just did it for the meems
i prefer the egemonic, imperialist one
lime sparrow
do any of the flags actually specify a specific shade of red to be used in digital depictions?
peak holly
they do specify a specific shade of red (and i may or may not have blindly trusted that discord's emoji have the right one), but i don't know if there's any medium specifics
clever zephyr
ja tatsächlich,
also für Detuschland sind nach einem Beschluss des Bundeskabinetts offiziell folgende Farben in digitalen Medien zu verwenden: #000000 #FF0000 #FFCC00
seit 2017 ist das Rot der Schweizerfahne #FF0000
Nur in Österreich sind die Farben für digitale Medien nicht gesetzlich geregelt, jedoch wird auch oft die Farbe #FF0000 verwendet. Innerhalb des Bundesheeres gilt die Farbe #C8102E als offiziell.
lime sparrow
na, das macht’s ja sogar einfach
peak holly
if people like the poutpourri one more i'll equalise the colours
delicate hawk
till now the original one with german flag has most upvoes
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wet python
suggest can we please have study group 4 for 5 people?
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