android-discussion

[knotty wind]

never heard of the camera-based full-body thingy being used on desktop... so i doubt it? 🤔
but i know nothing about this, so 🤷

[ivory elm]

in theory, you could send OSC data to the android mobile device from another android device running SlimeVR or VISO, but you cant Calibrate FBT on desktop or android mobile

[ivory elm]

i was gonna demonstrate this by sending vrcfacetracking osc data to my vrchat running on android mobile, but apparently the vrcfacetracking app just crashes for me when i set it to anything not 127.0.0.1

[soft tangle]

But it actually works, right? 🤔

[ivory elm]

i mean.. it should?
theres nothing that should be stopping it from using whatever osc data you give it

[soft tangle]

Cuz no one ever try to make experimental between mobile with mobile for FBT and no video about it in YouTube, just mobile with PC for FBT 🤷🏻‍♂️

[cinder cave]

not a language 😂

wait so i cant play vrchat mobile on an iphone??

[knotty wind]

the iOS app is in closed beta with limited access given out when there is room...
see: #ios-info
and: #ios-discussion

[cinder cave]

i have about.... 7.84GB data available on my iphone rn

[knotty wind]

i don't see what does has to do with anything at all 😕

[wispy tulip]

Hi guys how is everyone today

Oh shit wrong chat

[cinder cave]

the amount of data needed to go into a world in vrchat, duh

e.g 10GB

[knotty wind]

you seem to be confusing storage space and memory... they both use bytes (MB, GB, etc.) to define their size, but they are used for completely different things... 😐
i don't know the size of the actual app, or how big the cache gets on Android/iOS versions, but 8GB of storage is likely fine? 🤷
you do however need at least 6GB of memory, which is dependent on your phone's hardware model... 😓

[knotty wind]

but if you want help with iOS, you need to go to the #ios-discussion channel... 😟

[cinder cave]

mine is iphone 11

i have um 7.86 capacity of storage space

[cinder cave]

well ty

[vale edge]

No, you have 4gb of memory. You can't run vrchat.

Storage space isn't a requirement. Memory size (ram) is.

[cinder cave]

ok i'll use my dad's iphone 14 then

bc im able to log into vrchat from there

[knotty wind]

@cinder cave, please use the #ios-discussion channel when you are talking about the iPhone app...

[cinder cave]

i will

[covert ravine]

Flip Phone gaming (Zflip 5 small screen)

[naive bluff]

Nice.

[covert ravine]

I'm surprised it actually works really well

The menu scaling could be better but it's pretty solid

[naive bluff]

Foldable > flip

[vale edge]

Detachable foldable. :3

[naive bluff]

Well, aren't we fancy?

[soft tangle]

That must be old photo due Alpha tag on top right

[vale edge]

I'm just too lazy to take new pic

[knotty wind]

looks like your phone has its own phone

[feral badger]

Android DS

[balmy bison]

is there anyway to play vrchat on an android emulator for iOS? I’m curious

[naive bluff]

#ios-info

[balmy bison]

that doesn’t say anything about my question but thank you

[naive bluff]

Why would you want an emulator when there's a native app?

[balmy bison]

closed beta so I can’t get in

[naive bluff]

You need to apply for an opening.

[knotty wind]

i doubt anyone has tried... you would likely be the first 🤷
PlayStore link is in #android-announcements message

[visual sparrow]

Hi

[feral badger]

Theoretically possible, but I don't think any phone has the power to emulate another phone and run well enough for VRChat. Too much overhead when the hardware right now is just enough for it.

You're better off trying it on a cheap PC. You don't need very powerful hardware for it to run. I play it on a mini-PC with a Intel N100 and integrated GPU. It runs better than on my Android phone despite being one of the lowest end devices currently on the market.

[visual moss]

I don't think the problem is in the RAM, because my friend who has 8GB RAM, the world also crashes. It seems to me that the problem is in the optimization for some devices with a certain processor

[knotty wind]

then make a bug report about it, here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta

[vale edge]

#android-announcements

[knotty wind]

what do you mean? 😕
all the patch notes are in #announcements and on https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/recent-releases

[blissful holly]

The mic option

Why isn't there an on and off setting like PC

1. Also why does the mic icon turn red sometimes when multiple people are speaking 2) when the said multiple ppl are speaking, their audio gets cut off sometimes

[knotty wind]

it turns read when it is picking up sound on your end but you aren't pressing the push-to-talk button

[vale edge]

There is if you have headphones.

Toggling it on without a headset/earbuds would lead to a ton of feedback for other users.

[blissful holly]

Ok thanks for letting me know. Would be good to show a note/hint that you need to use headphones to use toggle option though

[blissful holly]

Do other users have the same issue? With audio cutoff?

[slow ridge]

You can change it. You can use push to talk, always on or use an on and off button. So whenever I join a world my mic is off and I can turn it on and off as I like

I know it's in German but that's where you can find the settings for it

[slow ridge]

Nope

[blissful holly]

I was told you need a headphone to access this setting so I will try it next time

[rich heart]

I'm having trouble getting the face tracking to work

[vale edge]

What issues are you having? Need some more info to be helpful.

Few quick things tho,

it requires camera permissions

If your front camera is dog shit it may suffer

Bad lighting will affect it as well.

Some avatars won't work with it.

[rich heart]

Well im using a Samsung galaxy, and I gave it permissions. The lighting in my room isn't to bright nor to dim either

[slow ridge]

Have you tried different Avis? I don't have any trouble with the face-tracking (Samsung Galaxy S24+)

Sometimes it pauses due to low framerate but that's all. And it always starts working again after some time

[rich heart]

Forgive me, but I don't know what an Avis is.

[slow ridge]

My bad, I was referring to avatars

[rich heart]

Ohhh

I tried one other avatar but I'm gonna use all of the ones I can and see if anything changes

[slow ridge]

So it has never worked for you, right?

[rich heart]

Didn't work for me on the first avatar, hasn't worked for me on the second.

[plain rampart]

How do I view very poor avatars

[torpid drift]

Just like Quest has it, you'll need to force show the individual user wearing the very poor rated avatar

[plain rampart]

Yeah but for my own avatar I cant switch into very poor avatars

[torpid drift]

Then you're most likely on an outdated build

[plain rampart]

This is the right one right

Im reinstalling rn

[vale sandal]

I have the same problem as LBrand, yesterday I was able to switch to very poor avatar but now it's just not work anymore.
said it was performance rating so I don't know why

[raven herald]

How do you get challenges? I don't see that is there something that I'm missing to do.

[soft tangle]

During taking photo, I just notice something on avatar texture that it keeps changing texture quality from Blurry to High Definition and turns back to Blurry again… and the cycles goes on.

I didn't change's on photo resolution or game texture quality. Is this normal?

[soft tangle]

It appears out of nowhere, but I do know some people doesn't receive this task due testing they're working on

[flint basin]

Where do I find it

I can't find it in the app store

[native igloo]

ios??

[knotty wind]

it is random A/B testing... so you just have to be randomly selected for that test... just use the app every so often and you might get the challenges at some point 🤷

[knotty wind]

#android-announcements message

[grizzled coral]

It is optimization being too noticeable, might be bug, might just be your phone having less than expected available RAM/memory (memory is not storage) (try closing stuff running in the background).

Basically all textures are stored in different detail levels to make them look better at distances, but since there there is no reason to have all those detail levels loaded in VRChat decides to only load in the necessary ones based on a RAM/memory budget, when you take a photo or just have the camera open you are eating up extra amounts of that budget which can cause this to happen, ideally it shouldn't be noticeable but I guess the system wasn't meant for a dynamic game like VRC.

[soft tangle]

I also notice that on the mirror after using camera for photo, but yeah you were right. Thanks for explanation 👍🏼

[vale sandal]

Does WiFi have anything to do with the game performance?

[grizzled coral]

No

[vale sandal]

Because I was able to use very poor avatars on some a public WiFi an hour ago and it work

But when I came home and used my WiFi it just said performance rating

[grizzled coral]

Coincidence, VRChat is still to my knowledge testing allowing very poor avatars and it can change between every instance hop.

So, nothing to do with your wifi, just coincidence that it was turned on.

[vale sandal]

I don't know if it is just a coincidence or not because it happens two times already

Two days ago I was able to change to very poor on public and when I got home it wouldn't work

[knotty wind]

it might also disable the very poor avatars if the device is low on memory maybe? would make sense as a stop-gap to prevent the device from crashing 😅
but yes, it could still be random A/B testing, we don't really know for sure... it would be nice if this was explained better in the app, as in have it explain when it is enabled and when it isn't and why 🤔

[grizzled coral]

Regardless it is because of A/B testing and there is intentionally not any way to just permanently turn it on.
Not AB tested anymore, should be available to everyone regardless, try checking if there is an update.

[grizzled coral]

It was AB testing at least, should be available to everyone now though https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-13-february-2025/41299#p-76068-very-poor-avatars-on-mobile-10

[knotty wind]

i know they said that... but then the only other explaination is what i suggested, about it turning off very poor avatars if the device runs low on resources 🤷

[vale sandal]

It's the latest version, very poor avatars only works if I use that public WiFi

I'll try and test if it works in the morning on my WiFi and then that WiFi

[knotty wind]

i don't use a very poor avatar myself, and i don't mind seeing most people as impostors or fallback avatars... so i don't really have much experience with testing it myself 😅
i take great pride in how much i optimized my avatar 🥺

[astral tusk]

how do you get the badge, i did both challenges and it dissapeared, no badge

[vale sandal]

Check your profile and see if it's there

[astral tusk]

its not, doesnt list it under badges either

it popped up on a different device tho lol

[vale sandal]

Then probably a bug then

[wet sorrel]

I am able to use my main very poor avatar on mobile, and the game is updated. samsung S23 FE

[soft tangle]

I'm also still able to use very poor avatar too in new update! At least on my Vivo device, not sure about S22 Ultra in new update

[raven herald]

Ok got it thanks for helping me know

[raven herald]

Ok 👌

[vale sandal]

So my very poor avatars performance rating is somehow related to WiFi for sure

This is when I'm using my home network. Can't change into very poor

And this is after I log out and turn VPN on

After that I logged out again and turned off the VPN. The very poor avatar will not work and change to imposter one

[soft tangle]

I think it might related with S22 Ultra recently #android-discussion message where I'm unable to use very poor avatar but never think to use VPN that time.

Btw, which VPN region you using?

[vale sandal]

I use 1.1.1.1

[vale sandal]

1.1.1.1 doesn't have a region select so idk

Let me try another VPN and see if it works

Maybe later, I'm at work right now and are using the public WiFi

[vale sandal]

Using public WiFi I was able to use very poor avatars without VPN so I don't think it's a phone issue

[visual moss]

I understand, this sounds very strange. Perhaps you will not understand me quite correctly because I use a translator, but I have a question. What are the ways to make the avatar in the mobile version move its hands? I suppose there are no applications for mobile tracking... I heard that there is an option to embed hand movement in the action menu, but I can't find any tutorials on how to do this anywhere... I just have a weak PC, and playing on the phone is a more convenient option for me

If you didn't get it, I'm interested in a way to embed actions into an avatar so that you can move your hands on the phone

[quiet canyon]

I really want to know too

[knotty wind]

you are likely better off asking for this in #avatar-help 🤔
since this is likely something more desktop users will know about, rather than just ask Android Mobile users 🤷

[knotty wind]

i usually just hold my personal mirror in my hand, then i can use that to headpat people on desktop/mobile 🙂

[quiet canyon]

He wants an Android help like

I want to know how to move my hands on Android too

[knotty wind]

you can't... outside of holding things... just like desktop users... 😐
if you want to add hand moving thingy to your avatars, then go to #avatar-help and ask if people know of a prefad... 😓

[visual moss]

Okay, thanks

[wet sorrel]

puppet teering

[ivory tapir]

have you tried Selfie Expression on mobile? I'm unsure if it tracks hands actually

ah it doesn't, ignore me

[visual moss]

Sorry, I don't know what this is. I use face tracking on my phone. Oh yeah, you have a bug with moving and scaling the face mirror, and it's been happening for a lot of updates🥲

[ivory tapir]

Report bugs to the Canny, that way engineers will see it! https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta

[ivory tapir]

"Selfie Expression" is the head and face tracking setting you can toggle on mobile right now. It's a little finicky for me, and for some reason I was expecting it to track hands

[visual moss]

I use it, but yes, it only tracks the head. To move the arms, you will have to configure the avatar itself, and you will be able to move the arms only with the sliders in the action menu 😅

[warm saffron]

When we gettn VRC 0N !PH0NE jit

[naive bluff]

#ios-info

[bold panther]

Hey everyone

[soft tangle]

It seems I have found world for avatar reference sheet, build for Quest/Android version and it actually works! But not really perfect because it cut out avatar head lmao

[soft tangle]

Here's the avatar reference sheet results…

Almost perfect but not really perfect reference, at least quality is good enough. Also zoom camera controls doesn't give any function to fix this problem unfortunately

[knotty wind]

likely because it is taking a picture of yourself from your own point of view, rather than from an external point of view like cameras and mirrors... 🤷
but is this really related to Android Mobile? 😅

[soft tangle]

You really know nothing other than speculation. How about you try by yourself instead? 🤨

[knotty wind]

i know how the first-person headchop works... so i believe it is a good theory... but i have no real interest in checking it out, even more so on my phone 😐
as i said, why is this Android Mobile related? 😅
you could easily have talked about it in #vrchat-general-1 and likely gotten more interested replies 😛

[sweet sluice]

Yooo face tracking for mobile? Im assuming this is only in beta right now. Cant wait for that!
Mobile users eating good in 2025!

[wet sorrel]

Try Avatar Studio @soft tangle

It has camera system and shows whole avi

[soft tangle]

You mean this Avatar Studio?

[wet sorrel]

The Avatar Studio is like Testing Chamber, and has photo shoot thing too

Here is my pic from the world you mentioned

Viewpoint is at 0.75m

[wet sorrel]

Avatar Studio

[knotty wind]

nah, it is on Live, it has been for a few months now 😅
look in the Main Menu's Tracking section

[sweet sluice]

I didnt know that until i looked for it myself... Its so uncanny, yet so good

[knotty wind]

yes, very fun to mess with, but my friends say it is creepy when i use it 😅

[mint schooner]

OMG thank you I was wondering where it was I've been trying to get the face tracking 🤣

[wet sorrel]

creep your friends out with facetracking

[sharp canyon]

hello

[soft tangle]

I think I have solve the problem when @wet sorrel mention about avatar Size Scaling. Why I never think about this feature in the first place?

[wet sorrel]

Better

[soft tangle]

Yeah, thanks for give some tips/hint 😄

[wet sorrel]

I didn't understand the last two steps since couldn't understand the Japanese of the steps. I knew Camera

[soft tangle]

Here English translation for that instruction I just did recently

[wet sorrel]

All I can get on phone

[soft tangle]

You can rotate your avatar manually during photo mode, technically freestyle pose or any angle you want

[mint schooner]

You know random thought but I wish with the actual VR camera that you could blur the background of the photos like u can with PC
Like this (photo taken by my friend)

[mint schooner]

Yea I did that the other day my friend was like "how the hell are you moving ur on mobile!?" 🤣

[knotty wind]

why can't you on VR? 😕

[mint schooner]

No I think u can I worded it wrong 😅

I meant the camera in general on mobile u can't use the background blur

[mint schooner]

The picture isn't working for me

[mint schooner]

Yea! I wish I had that I love the background blurring 😭

[soft tangle]

Me too, it suck Android doesn't have this feature yet. Need to edit photo to add blur effects like Photoshop or something to mimic like that.

[mint schooner]

Yea I use piscart and ibis to blur it

[soft tangle]

The only thing I want so much beside photo effects like that, is built-in screen recording on Camera Mode like PC version.

I really want to record action/cinematic style moment and watching ourselves moving around instead of default (FPV) which kinda too basic (no annoying UI too)

[mint schooner]

Yea! Exactly id love to have a screen recorder

[knotty wind]

maybe an Android/Quest limitation? i doubt it would only be missing on Android Mobile 😕

[wet sorrel]

Quest used to not have cameras when pc did. But pc camera was clunky compared to today.

The camera on the ground was difficult to lift out the ground when small

[lilac delta]

I have PTSD of just trying to change settings or take a picture with that old camera xD

[heady sparrow]

I like how we went from buttons to tablet

[soft tangle]

So that is old camera before what we have today?

[wet sorrel]

yes and pc only

[vale edge]

It was nearly impossible to press the buttons on that thing lmao

New camera is so much better fr

[wet sorrel]

Def. Only thing I would change is color

[sullen parcel]

my camera doesnt work lol

the photos come out black

[wet sorrel]

Have you updated the app, and make sure you click default to bring it back to default.

[icy tartan]

I wish there was a way to make a version that works the same a desktop could so we can see pcvr avatars and worlds.

[sullen parcel]

I have the latest version and I have the camera in default. In fact, I reinstalled the app and it still doesn't work.

[soft tangle]

Did you mean printer photo for VRChat Plus?

[sullen parcel]

no

When I take a photo with my camera, when I check my cell phone gallery the photos are in black

[knotty wind]

that is a known issue... there is a bug report somewhere

[sullen parcel]

Oh sorry I didn't know, but the microphone bug that didn't let you talk after a few minutes when joining a world is fixed 😄

[knotty wind]

i can't find it now... 😟

[knotty wind]

you might want to make a bug report, since i can't find one at all... could have sworn i had seen one somewhere... 🤔
you make bug reports here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/

[sullen parcel]

thx

[rain vault]

That is a throwback, i faintly remember that camera lol

[soft tangle]

I really like how FPS synchronized so well between this world and Main Menu FPS (if you enable in Debug settings)

Results during gameplay in my Vivo Y11 device with Very Poor avatar

• 29 to 35fps on idle
• 23 to 30fps on idle (mirror on)
• 7 to 15fps when main menu opened (also similar fps on camera mode)

I'm unable to show screenshot as proof. The game crashes when I attempt to take a screenshot (twice)

[feral badger]

That's a screenshot through the camera menu or through your system?

Below 30 FPS in a testing world means it's not going to be useable outside it.

[soft tangle]

I know that. It can't run heavy world but able to run light/mid world + optimized.

[neat wyvern]

are there new infos about getting the mobile badge?

its still not on my acc

[native igloo]

only those
https://wiki.vrchat.com/wiki/Talk:Badges

[knotty wind]

is it still in A/B testing, when you get the challenges is random... so just check every few days

[soft tangle]

You know, I still wanna to complete that challenge so bad but I hate making 2 friends part because no way everyone will accept that immediately and they don't even know you.

[knotty wind]

just use two alt accounts?
or unfriend them again immediately after? 🤷

[mild snow]

also you can complete the make 2 friends challenge on a different platform entirely and it will still count

[warm condor]

Does anyone know anything about haritorax fbt?

[knotty wind]

not sure? i just accepted the friends requests on phone app 🤷

[mild snow]

I did it on PCVR, and checked on the mobile app and it did count

[wet sorrel]

I decided to complete it all on mobile except play on different platform ofc

[soft tangle]

Actually, Focus Mode are possible to be added on Quest especially for Android mobile but Quest limitations sounds like excuse according to devs. I've try this game as alternative VRChat games (mobile platform specifically) called Cluster and their Focus Mode works flawless!

Also gives photo look more interesting than default especially in portrait mode. ✨

There's more settings in this video actually, but I use Auto Focus for more easier.

[visual moss]

In general, cluster is a cool thing, and it is clear that the application is well optimized, but it is a pity that few people know about it and there are only Japanese people there...

[soft tangle]

Yeah, I found this game while search something on internet. It really does look similar with VRChat but more better for some things like…

• Character movement are more dynamic and smoother in non VR (Desktop/Mobile) while VRC movement are robot and rough
• Third Person options if you don't like First Person
• Hands Avatar controls, even the game called VR with interactive objects, they still provide for mobile (at least) and available as main feature, not from avatar #android-discussion message or controlled via physical keyboard

I wish VRC could improve more and add something like that for non VR especially for mobile

[wet sorrel]

Focus View is ok with mobile, but not with quick action games in 3D environments.

I stopped using Focus View myself. Especially when selecting songs when I want to select a song right there, and then rotate my view.

But might look at cluster.

[visual moss]

For me, focus view interferes with the gameplay and makes it difficult to turn the camera in some moments... If I turn it off, will I lose anything?

[soft tangle]

One thing I like about Cluster, I'm able to visit world available for PC only and can't visit via Quest platform (Cross Platform) in VRChat.

Same creator of Black Lotus world

The creator could do the same thing like this (downgraded some details) but I don't know why it couldn't for VRChat

[wet sorrel]

@visual moss no you won't

[wispy galleon]

android 14 is not compatable for vrc

or is the version not compatable?

or is there a problem with the app store

[vale edge]

Works fine on my s24U which is A14.

[wispy galleon]

not a s23

i run a developer model of an s23

[torpid drift]

Android 10 or higher, and at least 6gb of physical ram (not using swap)

[feral badger]

It's usually the app store

There are a lot of apps listed as incompatible that will work perfectly fine if you install the APK manually.

This is especially true for apps that haven't been updated recently. Google Play require all apps to update their SDK to a version no older than 2 years or they'll list them as incompatible on newer Android versions.

[wet sorrel]

I use S23 FE Android 14, and been working fine, except mic sometimes.

[fading aspen]

I'm using a OnePlus 8t with android 15 and vrc works just fine

[wispy galleon]

i might fine a apk of vrc then

[wispy galleon]

its doable if they learned how to ever optimise wich they dont

i ran it fine on 4GB ram

i was in one of my worlds lol vurtual furrence with 1080 p like quality

its just there isnt "better optomizations for the mobile app for android wich is funny enough it can work on 4GB

recomended 6GB 4 GB being minimum

i know roblox requires 1 GB ram on mobile

which i have way more than enough for it

[torpid drift]

Optimization is based on the content creators, not VRChat in terms of RAM usage

[wispy galleon]

better controls would be 1 optimization in all fairness

[neat wyvern]

i finally got the challenges haha

[lilac delta]

VRChat mobile requires 6GB ram not 4, the only thing 4GB can do now is the launcher ui before you play

[knotty wind]

Roblox is not graphics or memory intensive in the slightest... so comparing it and VRChat makes no sense in that way 🤷
"my computer can run Minesweeper just fine, why can't it run Crysis?"

[feral badger]

All the graphical elements in Roblox are indeed very simple

[tidal stirrup]

Mh, I wonder what happened???

[lilac delta]

omg i just got this new rtx 5090, time to test it out using minesweeper! yep i still die as fast as before

[spiral bison]

getting the same shit on the website

[tidal stirrup]

I haven't seen if it's happening in vr

[spiral bison]

is it?

[tidal stirrup]

"Haven't" I meant

[spiral bison]

oh

[feral badger]

Always fun to try how many frames you get in good old DOOM

[wispy galleon]

i ran it running an apk perfectly fine

[wispy galleon]

roblox games are different than one another each are more detailed some require pcvr to run smooth

i know tha5 for a fact

[subtle bloom]

I wanted have 6 ram gb

[sullen parcel]

Which mobile do yall think is best for VR chat?

[torpid drift]

which what? Are you asking what android device would be best for playing VRChat?

[sullen parcel]

yeah

[torpid drift]

A higher end android tablet then like the Galaxy Tab s10 series

[sullen parcel]

hmmm

[torpid drift]

this is if your soul focus is just to play VRChat on mobile which is pretty specific, you'd probably be best off getting a PC or even a Quest

[sullen parcel]

I mean, I don't have any for the quests yet, but I was planning to buy them, although I was thinking of buying a new console first.

In fact, my cell phone charges very well VRChat. The only thing I miss is being able to express myself using my arms.

[mint schooner]

Lucky I've been stuck on log in for a week straight for months because I don't have another device 😭

[lilac delta]

M4 ipad pro with 16gb ram, galaxy tab s 10 ultra, maxed out gaming phones. And the last 2 ultra Samsung phones with the for galaxy branded chips.

[sullen parcel]

I have a phone that has 12+6 GB of RAM and it works perfectly, im glad that I can play it, I don't see anyone who has this phone

[lilac delta]

Ignore the +that much ram stuff. That is only for some workloads ^^

Glad it works out! 😄

[sullen parcel]

It was a huge improvement over my previous phone, the previous one had like 4GB of RAM.

[neat wyvern]

if i were you, i would ask a friend if they just could log in, or maybe ask a family member with a pc if i could log in for a second and delete vrc afterwards.

[mint schooner]

I would but 1. I don't have anyone I can trust with my account, and two I don't have any family my age 😭

[sullen parcel]

i can't do log in pc vrc

[mint schooner]

Same

[brazen kestrel]

is there a way to remove currently offline on phone from your profile it just looks dumb

[soft tangle]

Man, it sucks Android mobile Selfie Expression doesn't have Move Hands feature like desktop. Why they didn't add this thing for us?

[knotty wind]

the native Android tracking likely doesn't support it... but also, your hands are usually holding and/or using the device, so it would be hard to move your hands around while using it 🤔

[wet sorrel]

Best you could do is one arm cause you be holdimg the phone with the other.

Remember, Android did it first. Hand tracking was on Quest first. But got perfected on pc. And sent back to Quest.

[soft tangle]

Yeah, it's possible to implement that feature on mobile because technically it's a Quest right? Just ported to mobile

[sweet sluice]

You know, other games have a joystick for the hands... maybe we could add that to vrchat mobile?

[visual moss]

What is emote selfie expression? What does it do?

[visual moss]

The only good solution at the moment is to integrate hand movements into your avatar's action menu.

https://booth.pm/ja/items/3932850

https://booth.pm/en/items/4348178

[soft tangle]

Only Cluster #android-discussion message so far. If VRC devs couldn't add hands tracking like desktop version does, hands movement like Cluster is the only option as main feature for mobile

[sweet sluice]

Thats what im saying! I think rec room does it too

[soft tangle]

Yeah, it may take time implement this feature to all avatar without rely on #android-discussion message this thing

[sweet sluice]

Ah

[toxic sierra]

How do I move my arms on Android?

[naive bluff]

You can't.

Think of it as mobile desktop.

[toxic sierra]

Why?

[naive bluff]

Becaaaaause that's how it works?

[heady sparrow]

You kinda need tracking to move arms

[toxic sierra]

And how do I do it? XD

[heady sparrow]

Like already said you cant

You are literally running it on a mobile device with no possible way to access 3d tracked controllers

[toxic sierra]

Even if it's a little wheel where you can move it using a joystick xD with different gestures

[heady sparrow]

I mean you can make an avatar have that animation

But thats about all you got

[knotty wind]

hold your personal mirror in your hand... i have been using this trick to headpat people for years now... 😅

[autumn pendant]

Is there ever going to be an update that changes the max upload size on quest??

[naive bluff]

👀 Maybe once Q2 reaches EOL.

[heady sparrow]

or maybe not since the quest 3 isnt much better

[lilac delta]

that's not true, the quest 3 is much better in performance then the quest 2

[lilac delta]

i assume, they did the same with the quest 1

[heady sparrow]

not enough to warrant raising the max upload size

[lilac delta]

We will see when the time is right

[pearl mulch]

not in the main aspect that affects download size which is available Ram

[soft tangle]

Am I the only feel annoyed with Dean emoji every time people explained something even they do already know or didn't agree people opinion? I'm feeling annoying tbh

[ivory elm]

the what

[mint schooner]

I love trying to get on vrc to hang with friends and look at Avis and the world's never loading or crashing 8 times just trying to log in 😭

[knotty wind]

you mean, me rolling my eyes at someone asking if the "will quest avatar limits ever increase?" question?
i just get tired of hearing it asked so often... and this isn't even an avatar or quest channel, this channel is about the Android Mobile version... 🤷
it would be a better question in #avatar-quest maybe.. 🤔

[soft tangle]

It's more than avatar topic, you do know what I mean…

[knotty wind]

i do like using reactions, yeah 😅
i find it better when i just want to react to something without writing an actual message... especially when it is old messages 🤷
i still haven't really gotten used to the fact that Discord now notifies people of my reactions 😓

[wet sorrel]

I understand that android mobile and iOs are still in beta, so not everything is set in stone. Took 17 months of having a permanent solution to having some very poor avatars with testing. Though I know I have annoyed a few members about it. If the arm movement came to mobile, then it will be one arm because your other hand will be holding the phone.

The canny has helped with getting this started as well as StormRel's advice.

[lilac delta]

I smell the lazy

Small question, so a long time ago i got the challenge thingy and now i can do the other challenge thingy, will i be able to keep both badges or will this new one replace the other colored badge? (i like badges cause grass is scary!)

[knotty wind]

programmer... just how it is 😅

[visual moss]

You can embed hand movements in your avatar in the action menu, but you need a pc and knowledge of Unity to do this.

[visual moss]

Excuse me, could you record a video testing the "enable selfie expression" feature? Please. I haven't seen a review of it anywhere.

[soft tangle]

If you talk about desktop, there's a video here #announcements message

[lilac delta]

I assume you referring to the new desktop feature so here is a test video ^^ if it's about the mobile app then I'm sorry xD

[wet sorrel]

@lilac delta you get the updated one when completing the 2nd challenge

[sweet sluice]

Its on mobile too!

[lilac delta]

I know but the recording i made is the pc desktop one xD

[sweet sluice]

Oh.

Should be in the same place on mobile though.

[wet sorrel]

Mobile selfie expression with taps shown

[sweet sluice]

Yup. There it is

Mobile is getting so much attention it feels good!

[wet sorrel]

Since around Christmas. Yes it feels great.

[knotty wind]

the second badge replaces the first badge (in the beginning you could have both, but this was fixed)

[lilac delta]

Nooooo that's horrible news

[wet sorrel]

Progression badge just like vrc+ sub gifts badge.

[lilac delta]

I need both badges just because i like collecting them xD

[lilac delta]

Got that one as i gifted 12 people in the past xD

Thanks tho!

[wet sorrel]

You're welcome

[old sonnet]

helloh

[soft tangle]

The only difference is desktop have hands track while mobile doesn't have

Technically, desktops finally receive half body tracking without required expensive FBT or Headsets. I just wish Android mobile will get something like this too soon.

[visual moss]

So this feature is only available for vrc pc?

[visual moss]

Is hand tracking available with phone camera using vrc+?

[naive bluff]

No, pretty sure it's only face tracking.

[wet sorrel]

Only face tracking

But if frame rate drops, selfie expression will turn off.

[visual moss]

Thanks for the info. Well, if anything, selfie tracking can be configured so that it won't turn off

[quartz parcel]

Chilling in vrchat

[hardy robin]

Would The Asus Rog 9 Pro be able to handle vrchat mobile 👀

[naive bluff]

Holy shit.

That are some SPICY tech specs.

[torpid drift]

what kinda question is that

[sweet sluice]

ANIME?! i wanna be the very best, that no one ever was! DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN

[frail eagle]

Why won't it let me download it is not supported for my phone it says 😭

Me angry

[naive bluff]

You didn't read the prereqs, did you?

[sullen parcel]

If you disable the automatic quality option it does not turn off

[knotty wind]

#android-announcements message

What are the minimum requirements?

6GB of RAM and Android 10. Any recent mid-range phone should be fine.

If your phone does not meet these requirement, you may be told that you aren't eligible to install the app.

[frail eagle]

Will a moto g play (XT2413V) work?

[native igloo]

https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g_play_(2024)-12798.php
As it says only 4GB of RAM, no

[frail eagle]

😭

Hear me out will this work

[lilac delta]

Lol

[frail eagle]

Will it though

[sullen parcel]

The camera on vrc Android still doesn't work

[sullen parcel]

Does anyone know what I can do?

[frail eagle]

Is still in bata is probably not going to work for a little bit

[soft tangle]

Me - *Laugh in Vivo Y11 😂 https://www.gsmarena.com/vivo_y11_(2019)-9925.php

I still can run below than your device RAM (mine 3GB RAM), just can't enter any heavy world like devs already mentioned (same with iOS). Picture on right, Udon Sanctuary is a bit heavy for an example which I can handle about few minutes before game crashes itself

[frail eagle]

Thank you also will this work?

☝️why what does that mean

[soft tangle]

If your device is Android 10+ despite having lower RAM requirement, it should work

[frail eagle]

Ok thank you for the help

[soft tangle]

Mine is Android 11, so it shouldn't be a problem

[frail eagle]

Mine is a 13 but this happens

😭

[heady sparrow]

You need the minimum hardware requirements

6gb ram

[soft tangle]

Use Aurora store to download it, I'm download VRC via that store

[frail eagle]

Ok I will try thanks

What the logo look like

[soft tangle]

Check your DM

[visual moss]

how do you change emotions on your phone without an action menu?

[visual moss]

How do you do it?

[soft tangle]

Connected with physical keyboard + OTG cable to device, same controls like desktop to change emotions

[visual moss]

Thanks. What other quick actions can you do using a keyboard connected to your phone?

[soft tangle]

What I can do is control avatar movement WASD, jump/crouching, rotate objects, taking screenshot without using via camera and more! This guide will explain more - https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/keyboard-and-mouse

It works on mobile just I don't see people interest to do that

[feral badger]

Got the Mobile Hero badge now. Neat

[knotty wind]

you mean hand gestures? i don't think you can...

[wet sorrel]

Thank you

Hand gestures are available for desktop in a different open beta.

[knotty wind]

that isn't gestures, that is hand tracking...

[mossy fox]

How'd u get that?

[torpid drift]

It's an A/B test for the Android mobile app for "Daily Challenges" to try and keep user retention. You get a badge if you complete them

If it's not there, you're not apart of the test unfortunately

[mossy fox]

ohh well I'm stuck w "log in with pc/other devices" don't have it lol

[mossy fox]

oh oki luckily I do have the "daily challenges"

[torpid drift]

Mobile game brainrot retention methods

[feral badger]

I completed that

I think the challenges are weird

I'm not sure what the purpose of the test was

[torpid drift]

Every mobile game uses them to try to keep players playing

[mossy fox]

thought so too

[feral badger]

It works but skinner box techniques also creates an adversarial relationship with the app. I end up deleting the vast majority that try.

It turns fun into a chore. Screw that noise.

[torpid drift]

It's why they're A/B testing it

[feral badger]

Mobile apps do that stuff not just for retention but because of advertisement pay rates

Ad networks pay more per impression to apps that have high daily users

[wet sorrel]

it was very simple to do. I do play Pokemon Go, so it was like event tasks

[sterile oxide]

hey guys I'm excited to have vp avatars on Android now, has the feature already rolled out? Or are we still waiting? Cause I can't seem to turn those avatars on yet

[naive bluff]

👀

[soft tangle]

It's already roll out to everyone in recent update! But I recommended use VPN (if necessary) because this guy have issue using Very Poor like you which related to network not device #android-discussion message

[sterile oxide]

Weird. I'll try that then, thank you!

[sterile oxide]

Hey I got it to work, but not through VPN. With VPN I couldn't connect to the game properly. Couldnt even load my homeworld. But the stock work wifi worked fine, but my mobile data was erroring for me

[wet sorrel]

Has been official since February 13th.

[sterile oxide]

Home wifi does not want to let me. Weird.

[soft tangle]

Have you try use public WiFi as another method? #android-discussion message

[wet sorrel]

A phone with 8+GB of RAM, and the latest Android OS

[mossy fox]

oppo's are pretty good w it

mines a oppo A60 4g but storage is 200+gp

so when I force see avatars I can up to 4

in the same world

black cat just crashes me tho

the world

doesn't really overheat my phone too. some over detailed worlds get my phone warm tho

my avatar loads in really quick too. great face tracking too

[sullen parcel]

i use a Poco F5 pro
it has 12 GB of ram and +500 GB of storage
The only bad thing is that it gets a little warm sometimes

[mossy fox]

oh that's ones good

[sullen parcel]

Even the face tracking feels like it improves every time I get into VRC lol

[sullen parcel]

Honestly, I couldn't tell you, it was a gift for changing my other phone to this one

[severe fog]

Hi

Hi

[sterile oxide]

agreed, I've got the foldable one and it's great

[naive bluff]

Find N5?

[sterile oxide]

ye

[naive bluff]

I gots me an Open.

[sterile oxide]

wait

i migt be stupid

mine is the oneplus open

same phone? they look the same outside of logo

[naive bluff]

They're the same phone, yeah. OnePlus covers the markets OPPO doesn't.

Like India and the US.

[sterile oxide]

Ahhh.

[sterile oxide]

Note to anyone who sees this: Running my VRChat mobile while having a private dns enabled (in my case, it was dns.adguard-dns.com) made it so I can't enable or equip very poor avatars.

[sullen parcel]

@gusty moon

[gusty moon]

May I also have it please?

[naive bluff]

👀

Why not download it from the official source?

[soft tangle]

Aurora are linked to Play Store like official app without broken Google data or something in the app you downloaded. Google Billing appear and works like usual when I'm open VRC+ subscription

Like official source, if your device below app requirement (below Android 10+ for example) it won't allowed you to download even it does show option to download

[gusty moon]

I found another workaround

Using the Nvidea app

Though that lets you play the desktop VRChat, it lets you use the Nvidea build in controller and keyboard, there is a slight delay but that's easy to deal with.

And I am pretty sure you can use a bluetooth controller as well

The only small problem is if you have the free membership you get an hour at a time. You can however start as many sessions as you plwase in a day

[naive bluff]

👀

[soft tangle]

Ah, I know that it's cloud gaming without required powerful hardware

[gusty moon]

It worked for me pretty well, as for the method you had, for some reason it wont work.

At least it wont work for me, not sure about others.

[naive bluff]

Does your phone have less than 6GB of RAM?

[gusty moon]

No

[naive bluff]

How much does it have?

[gusty moon]

6G at least

[naive bluff]

Can you screenshot your About Phone?

[gusty moon]

Too risky, last time I did that someone managed to almost hack me.

Luckily though my old phone was too shit for that to happen.

[naive bluff]

👀 How?

[gusty moon]

Idk, the internet is scary though

Like how one time I almost lost my steam to someone who wanted to see my inventory.

[naive bluff]

The only identifiable information on the About Phone page is your IMEI.

Which you should block out if possible.

[gusty moon]

I'm just not wanting to risk it, I have my workaround.

Nvidea works perfectly fine with me plus it uses the desktop version of VRChat,which is all I jeed

Need*

[native igloo]

if you don't want to share screenshot, then just share manufacture name and model number, that's it.

[naive bluff]

They already did in #android-dev, they have an A15. The problem is, I don't know which variant they have.

There's multiple.

[native igloo]

ahh

[native igloo]

I meant...on about phone page has specific model number than A15 so...

[naive bluff]

Ah, yes.

Budget phones...

[native igloo]

yeah...

[gusty moon]

Nvidea setup for the digital controller

I was in 1s Optomized Box since that is my homeworld

[knotty wind]

is there even a point to talking about it here if you are using cloud-gaming? kinda stops being related to the Android Mobile app after all 😅

[soft tangle]

Does VRC camera works in cloud gaming and saved to files or no?

[gusty moon]

No it does not. But that's fine tbh

[soft tangle]

Well, that feels less worthy but still good alternative tho

[hollow rapids]

I think VRChat should re-work the performance rating system for quest avatars. now that they're allowing very poor avis to show on android, it is literally not as bad as "it's going to explode if you show 1" my phone is literally a samsung galaxy s10e with 6GB RAM, I show a few very poor avis and the performance really isn't decreased on it. being able to have our avis more detailed without requiring people to show it would be great

I already had to decrease the tri count on the normal novabeast model to 20k and remove some materials and physbones just to make it a poor rating, but ever since I saw others with detailed ones and clothings, I come to realize mine just looks very plain

[wet sorrel]

We are allow upto 4 very poor avatars which is great for a limit for mobile. Still be careful of the end your game avis while on phone. But do apply saftey settings and avatar culling.

Quest 2 is what is the limiting for being low.

[weary lodge]

I have an android galaxy a15 have they come out for that version? …. I’m 14 and I tried downloading it and it says not compatible…

[heady sparrow]

You need the minimum requirements

6gb ram

[weary lodge]

Ah thank you!

[soft tangle]

This is how public Novabeast in Poor rating looks like. The model doesn't have great look unlike Very Poor

[hollow rapids]

my point

[hollow rapids]

yeah I mean that's great, but talking about where people have to go out of their way to click on the user and show their avi, like at least remove the limit to where you don't have to block any performance rating on quest and just let avatar culling do it's thing to prevent too many very poor avis from rendering

or it will show up to 4 very poor avis based on the distance next to you, and hide the rest

it's not that hard

[naive bluff]

Be glad they're giving us this privilege already.

[knotty wind]

yes, they could re-work the performance rating system, they should disallow "very poor" avatars completely, this would improve the average Quest/Android user's experience soooooo much 🙂👍

[visual moss]

I use private dns server cloudflare, and everything is fine for me

[wet sorrel]

@hollow rapids I'm happy the devs gave us something. Many people wanted this. Not all for some prefer better optimization.

Be glad you don't have this for the vr version.

[sterile oxide]

Weird.

[mint schooner]

Random but Is there a point to the double tap system? I've been playing vrchat mobile for about a month now and that damn double tap system is interfering with play and how certain things function is there really a necessity for it when there's a joystick to move?
I try to play zombie games with my friends and never can use the guns without booting forward or the fishing game and bolting into the water I find this function really annoying and honestly want to know what's the purpose of it when it's that annoying

[hollow rapids]

agreed

[half spear]

Dyk what i think why can we not have our Bluetooth VR Controllers connected to phone

to play Android VRchat.

[vale edge]

You can use a Xbox controller tho, but it's unusable for me since they don't have the ability to invert your view, only your mouse, for whatever reason

Unless that has finally been updated and I missed it

[knotty wind]

an option to disable it would be nice 🤔
make a feature request, here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta

[mint schooner]

Yes disabling it would be nice but I shouldn't have to report it if mods like you see the message then it's on y'all to report back to the devs or something IDK I'm not one to report stuff so I just rather you stop linking me stuff for reports and requests

[knotty wind]

no... just make a feature request... you just said you will only make bug reports if it is something that annoys you, and now you won't make a feature request for something that annoys you????? 😫

[mint schooner]

Yea but it isn't a big deal tho so there's no need someone else can report it if they want but idc

[soft tangle]

I hope they have fixed issue with Very Poor avatar in this update, which some people unable to use it (despite not mentioned in changelog) #announcements message

It's very important part (for me at least) due Furality event this weekend soon.

[sweet sluice]

I havent noticed anything wrong on my end

[mint schooner]

Wait when is it starting this is gonna be my first furality and I don't wanna miss it 😭

[sweet sluice]

Othrr than the fact that my device STILL ISNT AUTO ROTATING RAHHH

[soft tangle]

This is people that I'm mention including myself (at least it works on my Vivo but not Samsung S22)

#android-discussion message
#android-discussion message

[sweet sluice]

Ya know what

I think i heard it mentioned that only certain players were getting access for testing purposes

Could be wrong tho

[soft tangle]

Luckily it didn't start yet but this Weekend! 😆🙆🏻‍♂️

That's my local time in the morning, you region may starting night time

[mint schooner]

What region are you

Just so I can calculate it

[soft tangle]

It's easier if you join their official server, I will DM you server link

[mint schooner]

Ok yea!

That'll also work for future events

[sweet sluice]

Enjoy yourselves!

[wet sorrel]

Works on my S23 FE

[flat arrow]

So I'm using an old phone, a Samsung S9 which has Android 10, but only 4GB of RAM, which is not compatible and I'm not allowed to download the app.

Shot in the dark, but are there plans to make some kind of "potato mode" setting or version of the app down the road?

[torpid drift]

You can't potato UGC unity content

unless you're asking for no avatars to be loaded at all

[flat arrow]

Ah. I'm not a tech guy, so sorry for the dumb question. I'll just look into replacing my phone. Thanks.

[heady sparrow]

the game by itself is already potato

well except for the slight issue of the menu causing lag but thats a unity thing

[flat arrow]

Fair

[heady sparrow]

really only noticeable as a sudden quick spike or if you spam open and close the menu lowered fps

[flat arrow]

Well thats not so bad.

[fiery oracle]

Why does my menu scream at me every time I open it 😭

[visual moss]

Hello, I encountered a problem after the update. Selfie tracking stops working after re-entering the game. Does anyone else have this problem?

[knotty wind]

why did you say it here too? 😕
make a bug report on the Canny, here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta

[visual moss]

Also in the new version the camera flight disappeared. Is it the same for you?

[visual moss]

I already informed the developers, I just wanted to know if this is the case for everyone?

[visual moss]

What happened to you?

[hollow rapids]

same honestly, literally my phone is more reliable than my pc in this broke family I live in. wanna be able to experience at least

there's gonna be a lot of people and my pc for sure struggles with that, but can get laggy on my phone too

[rain vault]

Is the flying camera option gone for mobile?

[knotty wind]

it works fine on my end... why would you think it is gone?

[rain vault]

where is the option to fly? it's also gone on pc from what it seems, but middle scroll wheel click makes my cam fly

[knotty wind]

right there is the toggle

[knotty wind]

this is the Android Mobile app?

[rain vault]

it's on both pc and mobile

[knotty wind]

the button doesn't exist on PC Desktop, there you hold middle-mouse button to fly the camera... 😕
but you say it is missing on mobile for you?

[rain vault]

it's missing on both mobile and pc, i know it was present on pc before

[rain vault]

i'll take a picture of mobile rq but it's basically the same as this

[knotty wind]

i don't know about PC VR, but it has never been there on PC Desktop

[rain vault]

no instructions either on how to fly the camera

[knotty wind]

can you check your version number? and do you have VRC+?

[rain vault]

it's the most recent and i've had vrc+ for a while now

maybe it's just a bug ig

[wet sorrel]

Flying button is missing on the layout since new update

Before

After

[knotty wind]

maybe mine isn't updated then? 🤔
yeah, my phone app is still on build version 1585 😅

got a bug report for this?

[wet sorrel]

Was trying to see if I overlooked something

No Flying function anywhere else

Build 1607 it is now on

There is already a mention in the canny. I provide info and pics.

[knotty wind]

got a link to it? i can't find it in a search 🤷

[wet sorrel]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/there-are-a-lot-of-bugs-in-the-latest-update

Self expression has issues too

[knotty wind]

this is a horrible bug report... the person that wrote this didn't add the version number to the title, or even read the page before writing it... such as:

Android Limited Beta

• No off-topic posts- Don't report more than 1 issue at once- For isolated issues or customer support visit help.vrchat.com ~ Thanks for your bug report!

[knotty wind]

i suggest making a separate/better bug report

[wet sorrel]

I added the build, but will look at other reports.

StormRel merged another report too

[knotty wind]

written by the same person... doesn't really make it better...

[wet sorrel]

Made separate report

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/flying-button-missing-from-camera

Too bad I can't send videos in the canny

This is where the face mirror doesn't turn off, but later is off and doesn't turn on.

And this is where the face mirror doesn't turn off.

[soft tangle]

Club Fynn is finally here! 🔥🎉🙆🏻‍♂️
Does everyone want to visit this world earlier before the event starts?

I'm very excited because this is my very first time joining Furality convention even it's just a replay

[wind lance]

I’m sad it’s not on Iphone :(

[naive bluff]

#ios-info 👀

[wind lance]

It’s closed beta :(

I gotta wait till it’s open :(

[naive bluff]

Do you have a compatible phone to begin with?

[wind lance]

I think it’s a 14 :p

[knotty wind]

to my knowledge the iOS app is still very early in development and buggy... but you would have to ask in #ios-discussion to be sure 🤷

[visual moss]

I don't have a flight button in the mobile version either.

[mint schooner]

The moment I meet someone famous and ask for a picture the god damn fly button is gone 😭

[mint schooner]

Riddle me this...what's the point of putting it in mobiles UI then

[native igloo]

more like...forgot to remove.....better make canny I bet.

[mint schooner]

The whole camera system is fucked on mobile I can't even reset my anchors 😭

Ive also noticed that the age gating is broken my boyfriend who isn't verified due to not having vrchat plus was able to join me in furality when it says the instance is age gated and then when I go back to my home menu it says I can't join them

Vrchat is due for a whole patch update

[wet sorrel]

Build 1607, the latest update has no fly button. I made a bug report.

[native igloo]

if you made canny, good idea to share URL here to get people notice it.

[wet sorrel]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/flying-button-missing-from-camera

[soft tangle]

@knotty wind can you stop with pointing finger emoji every time staff/people explain technical issue? People ain't blind or stupid 🙄

[soft tangle]

I also surprised that brand new feature they just released not available for Quest either! No Dolly Camera, No Drone just normal boring camera and can't fly anywhere without limit

[mint schooner]

Exactly I was so excited when I heard the drone was coming out because I love taking scenic pictures

[mint schooner]

Exactly it's so bot like

[soft tangle]

Yeah, also no Stream mode (Screen recording) too like PC platform

[soft tangle]

I know, he's very annoying tho

[mint schooner]

Yea true I really want screen recording because I wanna make clips and content with vrc :3
I hope it gets brought to mobile soon

[mint schooner]

Yea I wasnt wanting be rude but he really acts like a bot, with linking reports and the useless reactions

[soft tangle]

Btw are you able to join Furality? Cuz I'm unable to join any instance for real

I wish devs increase server capacity like real convention last year

[mint schooner]

I joined when it first started but hadn't been able to join since

[keen lintel]

I can't help but ask, why...?

[hollow rapids]

Imediately I dont like you.

[keen lintel]

That's okay.

Runs better than i expected, but i still can't figure out who it's for...

[mint schooner]

For people who can't afford a computer 🙄

Or vr

[soft tangle]

Idk why this dude ask dumb qustion like that, but he's new here and join this server recently if you open his profile. Either first time experience, no knowledge or else…

[knotty wind]

i use it some times when i am on long train rides 🤷

[wet sorrel]

I use it for when on break at work, away from home, and testing Quest avatars without being in vr. Plus, I can see who is online quickly.

[lilac delta]

What are you talking about? I can use dolly and drone on my quest. Have been since the beta.

[soft tangle]

Then why her drone feature not available on mobile? Mobile are ported from Quest

[naive bluff]

They're two completely different platforms for one.

[lilac delta]

All current VRChat versions: PC/Standalone/Mobile.

Then each have sub versions:

• PC: Steam/SteamVR/Meta PC/SteamDeck
• Standalone: Quest 2-3s/Vive Focus/Pico
• Mobile: Android/iOS/iPadOS

There hope this was as correct as i could xD

[knotty wind]

some things are specifically not enabled on Android Mobile, i forget where i saw it mentioned though 🤷
also, we don't have an Open Beta branch on Android Mobile, as far as i know 😢

[lilac delta]

That would be wild, a beta version of the beta version xD

[soft tangle]

You know, I'm very disappointing because of this patch

This patch ruining experience (for me) because I can't fly the camera to take a photos from above and use weird way to take a selfie during Furality event few minutes ago.

I hope they won't make same mistake for this issue when REAL Furality Convention begins in June soon.

[wet sorrel]

so far the flying mode is only missing on the android mobile verion. Can't speak for iOs

[soft tangle]

iOS rarely receive any update and a little bit outdated so it's not a big issue for them

[soft tangle]

Very Poor avatars are still unable to use in latest update (Samsung S22). I've try Mobile data, didn't work and VPN also didn't help much either. 💀

And I'm end up using that rexouium (Bread Rex) entire Furality event which is okay but not too great. I don't think they will fix this issue soon

[naive bluff]

Charge your phone, man.

[lilac delta]

mister complainer

[lilac delta]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-sobbing-covering-mouth-guy-crying-gif-10448345068645567697

[soft tangle]

I already did

[keen lintel]

I got an S23 Ultra lemme see how it works out

[lilac delta]

i can see very poor avatars on my pixel device

[soft tangle]

Have you test it in Furality? It's quite heavy and some avatars are very poor when I was in there

[lilac delta]

well the cap is only 4 avatars, so a big event will limit the very poor stuff

[soft tangle]

…plus, with lighting effects and streaming video

[mint schooner]

Same I love taking faraway pictures and actually use my camera flying to check out avatars that I'm using to make sure they aren't explicit but I can't do that when the flying enable is down 😔

[lilac delta]

someone with a high end gaming phone should stress test this mobile app xD

[keen lintel]

Very Poor Avatars run on my S23 Ultra

[mint schooner]

Poor avatars run on any phone

[keen lintel]

I said very poor.

[soft tangle]

This is how I experience in the event recently. Streaming just stop working for no reason and I need to back and foward because of this

[mint schooner]

Ya both still show on anyphone

[soft tangle]

Have you check performance stats on avatar you use?

[keen lintel]

This is furality (DJ turned off the lights for some reason)

Please please please limit this to 40FPS. Do not turn your phone nuclear.

[soft tangle]

Mine, 60fps when I was in lol

[keen lintel]

I can feel my phone heating up dude, it's still heavy somewhat.

Main culprit would be the avatars, base game is alright.

[mint schooner]

I've stress tested a bit I've noticed that high quality worlds like the furality one, black cat, murder 4 etc don't run as well and my phone (Moto g 5g stylus) heats up within at least an hour of playing to about 46°c usually I run 20fps and my pings like 100

[keen lintel]

Average Quest 2 experience:

[mint schooner]

Stfu

😭

[keen lintel]

No, literally. 😭

[mint schooner]

I'm not nor never will be a questie

[naive bluff]

Technically you are.

Just without the headset.

[lilac delta]

and why not?

[soft tangle]

[mint schooner]

Because I'm not paying 300 dollars for a piece of shit VR headset that can't even see half the world's/avatars on vrchat

Let alone that the controllers don't hold a good charge

The quest over all is shit

[naive bluff]

Technically, the Android app is just that but in "desktop" form.

[lilac delta]

lol

[naive bluff]

No need to split hairs.

[lilac delta]

the quest headsets do more then just vrchat buddy

[mint schooner]

Technically not I'm a mobile player soon to be a PC player so no quest in that sure mobile and quest are linked in the same category but they arnt the same

[naive bluff]

Both run Android. ;)

[mint schooner]

Not shit but there still ass

[naive bluff]

Which is a mobile OS.

[mint schooner]

Ok? I'm classifying as a mobile player because technically you can't use a quest without the headsets

I'm on a phone not a shit ass VR headset

Two different things

[naive bluff]

👀

[lilac delta]

someday you understand

[mint schooner]

No because I will never touch a quest 😂

[lilac delta]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[mint schooner]

Doing that rn bro

🤦🏻‍♀️

I'm literally sitting outside in the fucking grass while my boyfriend works on his cars 🤣

[lilac delta]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-eyes-gif-22773102

anyway back to the channel topic

so far i am currently happy with how VRChat Mobile (Android) is ^w^

[mint schooner]

They need to fix alot of shit but other wise yea

[lilac delta]

if only they would be faster with ios builds that would be nice xD

[shut furnace]

Do any of you guys know if mobile has a all ways on thing on mic behavior or is it just all ways off and push to talk

[heady sparrow]

it would be horrible if it had always on

[knotty wind]

as far as i know, you are forced to use push-to-talk... unless you have a microphone device, such as a bluetooth microphone

[shut furnace]

By microphone device do u mean like headphones or smth

[knotty wind]

yes

[shut furnace]

Alr

Ty for the help

[wet sorrel]

I bought a Razer headset with mic, and can have a always on or toggle. Without it your choices are Always off or Push to Talk.

And Android Mobile is the Quest side. I can test most things that a Quest user can do except things requiring pushing down on joystick or playing pool.

But the pool thing you will need a bluetooth keyboard.

Compared to public release of the app, and then 10 days later with no very poors shown, it has gotten better.

And I went from an A52 to an S23 FE

[mint schooner]

I still had to use push to talk with my Bluetooth headphones so you have to use push to talk

[keen lintel]

See, that is where we disagree...

Batteries have lasted me months. If you can find a Quest 2 for less than 300 dollars then you can get a good wireless PCVR headset.

[heady sparrow]

The controllers literally last for days

Even if they didnt you can just tactical reload new batteries

[keen lintel]

I will agree with you on one thing, the standalone experience is subpar due to quality/performance, but even on PC the performance can struggle due to unoptimized avatars...

[mint schooner]

They literally don't tho my boyfriends friend has a quest 2 and his controllers hold charge for like two hours after being charged for a full night

[naive bluff]

👀 What kind of batteries are you using?

[heady sparrow]

you are using bad batteries then

[mint schooner]

IDK what batteries he's using like is aid it's my boyfriends friend not me even still quest is a piece of shit and that's that

[naive bluff]

Wrong channel if we're talking about Quest.

[heady sparrow]

it isnt that shit but go off

[mint schooner]

You say that yet you were in the conversation bro like you should've said that earlier 😭

[keen lintel]

The Quest 2 is pretty good for PCVR

[knotty wind]

and do they have a microphone too? or is it just headphones?

[lilac delta]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-3094746547306242594

[shut furnace]

What channel do I go to help with problems with logging in to my acc

[mint schooner]

They have a mic too

So um when did this become a thing an why
I would love to have the tap to use things rather than having a button especially since when I quickly wanna look at peoples avatars I have to click on them I can't do that anymore

I swear vrchat mobile is starting to become unplayable
Because that little grab button is making me pull up support links and random peoples accounts when I'm trying to play games

[shut furnace]

I just keep getting logged out

But it doesn't send a code to the email it sends some information abt the game or smth

Idk what to do

[mint schooner]

Also the fact that I had to hunt this guys account down for about an hour to hide his avatar

Can we please just bring back the tap for accessibility feature

[soft tangle]

I had to downgrade to old version for temporary. This patch update really F up and half broken.

I'm unable use fly the camera to capture everything from above in Furality event but now able to fly in old version. I will upload the video later

[visual moss]

I also downloaded the old version because it is impossible to play with the new version

[soft tangle]

Yep, just stay old version till they fix this problem in next update

[visual moss]

Excuse me, but do you know how long the old version will work? I'm just curious. After how many updates do old versions stop working?

[soft tangle]

Till devs announce closing their old server (old version no longer playable)

[wet sorrel]

It was a few weeks before TikTok became downloadable again in app stores

[pallid jay]

my quest 3 controllers last over a week

[wet sorrel]

The flying button issue is being tracked

[pallid jay]

also q3 controllers dont hold ANY charge, it depends on your batteries

[wet sorrel]

@pallid jay go to #quest-general

This is for the Android phone app

[pallid jay]

stop minimodding im responding to someone

[wet sorrel]

Sorry. Didn't see

[mint schooner]

Good for you

Quests are still a piece of shit

[pallid jay]

have fun paying $1k+ for something that isn't "shit" then lol

[mint schooner]

I don't tho bro so stfu

[pallid jay]

lmao

so mad at a headset u dont even own

[mint schooner]

Not rly

Just irritating because people like ur dumbass won't drop it the convo was like two fucking days ago

[pallid jay]

people dont talk in this channel, its like 2 scrolls up

[mint schooner]

It was still a few days ago doesn't matter

[pallid jay]

you seem like such a fun and pleasant person to talk to

[mint schooner]

Thank you I am when ur not on my fucking nerves ☺️

Like I just fucking woke up I'd like some fucking peace

I'm sorry that the questies are butthurt over there precious vr headset being shit on because it is shit

[urban wren]

Holy shit what happened 🥀💔

[mint schooner]

It's becoming unplayable I swear

[urban wren]

Its probs some updates from the devs lol or it's just some bugs

its not tht serious

[mint schooner]

I mean I get it's supposed to be easy access to other widgets but I wish they would focus on bug patching rather than making new UI updates

No it's not but its annoying

I think a patch is more necessary than UI updates

[mint leaf]

true, it personally lag for me when enabing face tracking and I don't find it normal to lag

or my device heating up like crazy

[mint schooner]

Nah fr because it takes me at least 5 minutes to load into a world that usually takes me not even a minute and by the time I load in my phone feels like it was left in the sun for an hour

Normally when I played before all the updates it took two hours for my phone to heat up on black cat now I can't even stay five minutes in it

[mint schooner]

My phone heats up so fucking bad I was just in a furry hideout and my phone was at 42°c

[lilac delta]

Haven't seen google assistant in a long time now lol

[mint schooner]

Lol ya I use it on the daily if I need to ask a quick question

[lilac delta]

Ever considered gemini? It's pretty great at that now ^w^

I haven't tried the latest 'beta' of android mobile but i hope this issue you guys are having will be patched soon

[mint schooner]

Um I think Gemini is apple I've got android and my Google is built in

[lilac delta]

Gemini is google assistant replacement

[mint schooner]

Ah ok I still think I'll stick with Google assistant as long as I can :3

[lilac delta]

Oki ^w^

[mint schooner]

Yea ATM it's kinda confusing and hard to play I do hope it gets patched soon 😭

[keen lintel]

Is that a Pixel?

Guys i've been sitting here for like 30 minutes.

Let me INNNN!!!!

[pallid jay]

...y'all don't use it for ur lights and reminders n shit?

[vale sandal]

If after 2~3m it didn't load the world yet then just exit the app and open it again

[soft tangle]

There's a option to change if you don't like AI Gemini, I use Google Assistant which helpful a lot

[soft tangle]

I also faced similar issue but no longer have when download back to old version

[mint schooner]

No it's a 2024 moto 5g stylus

[mint schooner]

I don't feel like trying to force the app into an old version that probably will end up shutting down soon tho

[soft tangle]

I know that, just stay old version while still can

[lilac delta]

Gemini took over those jobs, when needed gemini will 'borrow' assistant features. I love gemini a rare good function google product

[lilac delta]

Neverrrr xD

[soft tangle]

[soft tangle]

Here's the video as promised! Recorded right after Furality Club Fynn ended

Plus, I like how this world have reverb effects when entering this caves (not related app version)

[pallid jay]

eh whatever, assistant is easier to access on my phone so ima keep using it lol

[lilac delta]

it is the same function tho, you just are old fashioned. Gemini replaced assistant with the same actions to trigger it. but you do you. xD

[wet sorrel]

I prefer to use neither Gemini or Assistant

[mint schooner]

No I just got "hey Google" and ask a question I haven't ever had my Google home (when I had one) turn off lights 😭 that's so lazy imo

[pallid jay]

i mean it's convenient to turn them all off at once or dim lights where there's no dimmer switch

[mint schooner]

I mean maybe but I still find it lazy i mean back in the 2000's everyone turned them off one by one but ever since we got all the fancy stuff that's all people seem to rely on

[lilac delta]

I made automations for my lights, depend of day or time or mood. Very handy. Then i use siri or gemini to activate the scenes.

[visual moss]

Yesterday an update was released, but critical errors like returning the camera flight and tracking with selfies on a permanent basis were not returned. I continue to use the version from February 21... 😓

[muted harness]

why do you remove the fly camera?

[sullen parcel]

wdym by tracking with selfies?

that option is still active

[knotty wind]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/flying-button-missing-from-camera

[hollow rapids]

i swear to fucking god if they take away using very poor avis on android again I'm gonna lose my shit

unless you hit the max very poor avis shown which is 4

[mint schooner]

Exactly like they arnt fixing the stuff we put reports in for

At this point I'm starting to think they don't care about mobile updates as long as quest and PC are usable

[naive bluff]

👀

[mint schooner]

We get it bro someone already made a report quit popping that up Everytime someone says something about the camera flying 😭

[hollow rapids]

that looks like the same issue I have, sometimes it'll just stay loading forever. you have to restart your device to fix it.

devs should really be made aware of this

[naive bluff]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/

[mint schooner]

Like I said I feel like devs made mobile just to please the people and then said fuck it I'm not updating this shit anymore

[knotty wind]

someone asked about it... so i linked them to the bug report... better than not telling them that it is a known issue 🤷

[knotty wind]

Android Mobile doesn't have an Open Beta branch, so we weren't able to test and notice the issue sooner... 😢
and VRChat devs will get to the issue once they have a developer take a look at it... prioritizing issues is a huge job, and to be fair, there are more Quest and PC users in VRChat than there are Android Mobile users, so this being de-prioritized over more critical issues for the wider user base is understandable 😓

[naive bluff]

Bruuuuh.

[hollow rapids]

still, they should consider the people like me who like, literally rely on these devices, I'm a broke ass who has a crappy low end laptop with 4gb ram. my android phone has better specs. at least put more time into trying to fix those bugs

that's we all ask for really. they really did a huge thing by allowing very poor avatars to be shown on android even it's just 4.

I'm probably not getting it now cause I never update vrchat till I'm forced to, but the shit is hardly enjoyable on there with all that stuff. like, I don't care what they've told me, my device isn't gonna expload from one very poor avatar. really getting tired of people underestamating hardware like this

[knotty wind]

i still wish avatar creators would just optimize their avatars instead... but sure 🤷

[hollow rapids]

I'm actually starting to like, see the thing here on why most of them are "very poor", like literally the requirements for avatars in 2018 then on quest are really strict, they have to be wii quality. there's just some stuff that can't be optimized that low. like, I get the whole thing, they're considering you can be loaded in with a lot of people, but that's not always the case. that's why avatar culling exists.

like, 20k tris, dude lol. I've shown avis with 200k tris, 43 materials, all the stuff that goes way past the requirements, and on my samsung galaxy s10e with 6gb ram, it doesn't even affect it nearly as they exagerate

but anyways, I'm just expressing my opinions. it's our job in life to deal with frustrating things, serious or not

[mint schooner]

Ok then u can just say "yes it's already been reported" or something like that bro

[knotty wind]

the Quest hardware hasn't exactly improved much, and Quest2 is still the most common headset, so they can't raise the limits before Quest3 has End-of-Life

[knotty wind]

is it the massive embed you don't like? i can remove that, if that is your issue 😕
i like giving people links and clear explanations, rather than short replies that might confuse them... 😓

[mint schooner]

Yea sorta it's annoying seeing the picture Everytime someone mentions it I feel like a link would suffice

[knotty wind]

the performance ranks are measured for there being 40 of those avatars at once... 40 avatars that are performance rated as Good is probably easy, but try 40 of those really over the top Very Poor performance rated avatars and see what happens 😅

[hollow rapids]

my point. in case you missed it, that's why avatar culling exists, so your device doesn't have to load in that much at once. but in the other cases, people are usually with their friends or groups, which isn't a lot of people. personally I'd just let them choose how they want to show avatars and stop governing it

the "its for your own good" mentality the vrc devs go with is just dumb honestly. people have smart enough minds to know what actually affects their performance.

[knotty wind]

they have done that for years with Quest users... but they get told by friends to just disable culling and enable all very poor avatars by default, and then they start complaining about VRChat crashing all the time without realizing it is their own fault 🤷
just look at all the threads in #1138891887374237706 asking about the "too many avatars" error... (there are supposedly memory issues in the latest version of the Quest's OS though)

[wet sorrel]

@hollow rapids I was persistent about very poors being gone since August 2023 and got on many peoples' nerves here. The fly button being gone is reported and tracked. It will be done. It takes time. They have been listening to us since December 2024 for the avatars.

[keen lintel]

I got some sane settings for thermal stability and battery life over performance and quality.

Draw distance (Avatar Culling), Resolution (DPI), and Framerate. That's all there is to it. Personally i think losing about 25% of the resolution doesn't affect me, as the screen is small.

If VRChat mobile were to launch it's gonna need a default recommended settings preset to maximize thermal stability and battery life. Users can choose to ignore it of course, and use their own settings if they wish.

[visual moss]

If you enable face tracking via selfie and re-enter the game, you will have to enable the option again. Isn't that the case for you?

[visual moss]

I understand you perfectly. I am also poor, and the characteristics of my phone are better than my low-grade laptop)

[hollow rapids]

yeah like perfect example is my pc just could not handle the furality event last week cause it kept throwing disconnect errors cause it times out taking so long to load a big world like that, so I could only stay on my phone which even then has its struggles. has 2 extra gb of ram, but runs better cause it uses quest vrchat

[mint schooner]

I couldn't even stay in furality for 2 minutes I got to the stage met a streamer and then crashed and never could get back in because everything was full

[wet sorrel]

@mint schooner was this in the 300 limit world?

[mint schooner]

It was the first opened instance I got in when there was 7 people and crashed at 30

[wet sorrel]

It wasn't easy on my pc either, but avatar culling helped. Had 186 when I joined. But couldn't at 128 later on.

[sullen parcel]

nop

[urban wren]

still having troubles w this, can't join any world at all

[naive bluff]

You have poor internet routing.

[mint schooner]

Yet another update and still no fixes for mobile..😮‍💨

[visual moss]

the camera flight was never returned? 😓

[mint schooner]

Nope

Bs

[lilac delta]

You should see the pc version with the favorite people feature xD still not fixed after 4 years

[soft tangle]

Quest also had similar problem in latest update but worse than Android mobile #quest-general message

It happens to some Questies

[mint schooner]

Well I mean that isn't as big as no camera flying

Tho it scares me that it will never be fixed

[lilac delta]

nah it will be fixed, aslong as there is a canny and people give it the attention there will be hope c:

[wet sorrel]

I can anchor to world, and move back

[neon aurora]

[soft tangle]

[mint schooner]

Yea true but flying was so much easier and I also liked flying it around the worlds and looking at them or looking at Easter eggs :3

[pallid jay]

yea i hate it when that happens

[sour atlas]

Didn’t know that vrchat is on mobile now tbh xd

[wet sorrel]

@sour atlas since August 2023

[sour atlas]

O..

Damn

[wet sorrel]

It gotten better since February 2025

[steep pendant]

How do I get vrchat on mobile.

[naive bluff]

You download it from the Play Store.

[mint schooner]

So apparently this has been happening now
When u don't have someones avatar loaded in they turn to dust
I had it happen to me earlier but figured it was just the shield
But then my boyfriend had it happen to me

[wise falcon]

https://fixupx.com/untitledvoc/status/1908414866190459034

How VRchat mobile will look

maya butterfly (@untitledvoc)

i cant even begin to comprehend this video im cryign

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[knotty wind]

you sure that isn't just a messed up avatar impostor? 😕

[soft tangle]

What the hell is that game lmao 😂

[wise falcon]

VRchat /j

[proud fern]

I have a question.
When connecting a controller on mobile, the microphone icon (bottom left) doesn't appear, as it normally appears on the mobile HUD. But when you use a controller, that hud disappear.
Is it intended to be this way, or is it something I should report?

When playing on mobile with a controller, there is no way to know if you're muted or not unless you tap your screen

[knotty wind]

i would say you should just report it as a bug, i cannot see any reason for that to be intentional 😟
https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta

[proud fern]

Okay!

I'm doing that then :)

[mint schooner]

No it's not

[fiery oracle]

My menu stopped screaming at me after like 2 months now it only does it in the YT search world 😛

[fiery oracle]

Never mind my menu is screaming again 😔

[visual moss]

How does this happen?

[fiery oracle]

I honestly have no clue it just screeches at me

[hybrid tendon]

What android phone does vrchat supports

[wet sorrel]

Phones will 6GB or RAM and Android 10 as the lowest. Samsung is one of them

[knotty wind]

any phone with 6gb or more RAM, and uses Android 10 or newer... more RAM than that is really recommended though
see: #android-announcements message

[flat arrow]

Dang, my phone only has 4GB of RAM.

[sullen parcel]

I have a tablet with 8 RAM and VRChat is completely buggy.

[naive bluff]

Tablet is different than a phone. 👀

[knotty wind]

should make some bug reports then, here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta

[mint schooner]

Vrchats just being buggy In general again
But honestly when isn't it buggy 😭😔

[hollow rapids]

true, they still have yet to fix the loading forever bug requiring you to restart your device, and the random sounds from a world playing when you interact with the os, usually when you try to type

[mint schooner]

Yea exactly, same with audio not working, pick ups not working, and mic not working
They have alot to work on and I hope they at least work on some of it soon

Especially that camera fly button

[visual moss]

In the meantime I'm sitting on the old version from February 21st, because I can't play on the new one, it's too terrible...

[mint schooner]

I would but I can't revert my app to the old version

My boyfriend is on it only because he refuses to update the app until they update the bugs

[hollow rapids]

same for me. not updating till forced to.

especially to keep showing very poor avatars cause apparently someone showed they're back to being unable to see any at all unless he hit the limit. this is not acceptable.

[mint schooner]

So um I guess this is yet another bug?
Anyone know how to help
I've reset app and avatar twice
I just wanted to do an mmd 😭

[visual moss]

You can download the February 21 version from the APKPure website, but for this you need to download the "APKPure" app itself

[mint schooner]

No thanks I don't trust sites like that...last thing I need is a virus

[echo pivot]

My friend can't use the microphone, he is using AQUOS sense7 plus. any solution?

[mint schooner]

Has he restarted the app or device? I had that happen the other day on my moto and needed to reset my device

[visual moss]

@mint schooner There are no viruses there, it is a very common site, and it is quite difficult to catch a virus on a phone, unlike a PC
🤨

[mint schooner]

Either way bro I don't trust sites like that

It's still playable on the new version it's just not as enjoyable as the old one as long as I can still play and talk then I don't care what version I'm on

[hollow rapids]

I actually in fact downloaded from there to get a november release back in the time when I realized things started becoming more unoptimized in the latest version that time

[visual moss]

Are you still on the November version? 😅

[hollow rapids]

nah they force you to update after there's a certain version. but apparently I'm on the first one that started changing the ui a little still though.

[ivory elm]

anyone have similar texture issues!! samsung s24fe

badges and photos on the ui also seem to corrupt a lot

[knotty wind]

please do not to suggest people download the app from unofficial sources...

[mint schooner]

EXACTLY that's what I'm saying it's sketchy asf

[visual moss]

Do you think it's better to suffer on the latest versions with a ton of bugs?🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[mint schooner]

Yes better to suffer than suffer a virus bro

It's still playable anyway

[heady sparrow]

the older versions have plenty more bugs

[mint schooner]

Fr and actually the fly button just went missing on the old version just before the update we just got

That was like the only reason I would wanna revert

[wet sorrel]

In the meantime, use the World Anchor, and move your avi back to show avi until Fly button works to get similar pics.

[weary pivot]

Guys, I can't turn on the face mirror, please help me what should I do?

[mint schooner]

I was having that problem but couldn't turn it off, slide it on and then either close app and restart or go into the main menu and exit back out and see if that helps

[visual moss]

No.
There were functions that many actively used, such as camera flight and normal face tracking. Now it turns off after re-entering the game.

[weary pivot]

And how do I turn it back on?

[mint schooner]

Manually, you have to go to where the face tracking is in the menu and turn it on its honestly not as big as she's making it seem

[mint schooner]

Just had vrchat update anybody know what it's for?

[soft tangle]

Actually, you were right! In latest update, I can feel game performance become slower and heavy now on each update released even flagship device, and it's more noticeable on weak device.

My Vivo can't run VRChat anymore in latest update now 👎🏼 I had to return old version, it's still playable unlike latest

Seriously, devs really need optimized their own game performance for real!

[hollow rapids]

knew I wasn't the only one. I started noting decrease in performance after the november versions when the mirror made it go from 60 to 30fps. they may have fixed that, but there's still tons of other things affecting it.

also wdym, like, it can run it but just not enjoyable, or seriously can't run it?

[hybrid tendon]

So i wasnt only one with this problem?

[soft tangle]

Less enjoyable actually, a bit f up in latest update but works fine in old version

[soft tangle]

Nope, some people might notice something but they didn't care much anyway 🤷🏻‍♂️

[hybrid tendon]

That explains a lot. I just bought another meta quest (my old one got stolen) but vrchat is making it so much more difficult to just log in now

[mint schooner]

Am I literally the only one that's phone is actually running VRchat smooth? 😭

[knotty wind]

then make a bug report, or up-vote existing ones, and post them here so others can up-vote them too
it will likely be useful for the developers to know between which versions specifically that you can feel the difference
https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta

[knotty wind]

i have not noticed any performance issues, but i don't use the Android version more than a few times per week, it is not like i am doing anything major while on it either, and my phone seems to have really good specs 🤷

[lilac delta]

i use the android version a lot on my google pixel tablet and that one is known to have a weak tensor chip (g2) and i don't have issues (there is this bug i been having that the face tracking is flipped so if i look left my avatar would look right and if i look down i would look up)

[knotty wind]

❌ 🇳 🇴 🇵 🇪
i feel like i am saying this too often... but if you guys don't want to probably report bugs, then they will never get fixed... sitting here and complaining changes nothing 😐

[fiery oracle]

It's cause most of the bugs are hilarious lol but some annoying ones i report

It's deadass annoying when people find out im on mobile there just like flipping out acting like a god damn shiny charmander or some shit

[mint schooner]

Maybe we don't wanna report bugs because your always up our butts about bug reports

Like we know where the reports are, if we wanna report we will go and report
We're just having conversations about the bugs

[mint schooner]

Ikr? I was sitting with a friend in an instance and some guy asks why I'm on Android but not in VR and I tell them I'm on mobile and they act like I'm some vrchat god because I'm on a new platform 😭

[hollow rapids]

that's because they're gonna go: "please update your software" we already know the problems, we don't want to update to the version that has them all.

[hollow rapids]

real, I have been told countless times while in publics "bro, you're on phone?" like, it's literally not that big of a deal

[knotty wind]

i mean, yeah if you make a bad bug report and tell them that, they might... but but that isn't what was described... 😐
if you can see a clear performance regression between two versions, just make a bug report explaining that, example cases that show it and the version numbers of the two versions... then the developers can look into it and find the issue 🤷
unless i misunderstood something and you are saying that performance in the older version is worse? because then yeah duh, sorry for misunderstanding 😓

[hollow rapids]

no, it's the fact performance has gotten worse in the newer versions and older ones are better, also cause a lot more things are broken in the newer version than the old ones. and if we don't know the version number, cause we don't want to update to those versions that are broken, then there's no point in reporting.

[knotty wind]

want me to get the newest version number for you then? will that make you write the report?

[hollow rapids]

yes, so I can report what the others have been experiencing on here with their screenshots and recordings

so I don't have to update to be stuck with those problems as well

[urban wren]

still can't play vrc for some reason, I uninstalled then installed it back to see if it's the problem but seems not, I just kept getting stuck on this page for a long time

[lilac delta]

damn so many complainers here lol

[knotty wind]

on Android mobile?