Can't you have DM conversations with other members of the server?
Theoretically the only thing you have to do, in a small "support" scenario, is to DM the other one and then call each other with screenshare.
You should even be able to create a group DM with screenshare.
At least until we have a working solution for this server.
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if I were to regularly mentor folks in voice I'd probably want to curate resources since it would already be such an active thing. Not going to do that with DMs
I don't have much of a horse in the race though, but group DMs don't seem very appetizing compared to an external server
Wholeheartedly agree
Add a simple #legacy-unreal or classic-unreal channel at the bottom or whereever for Unreal Engine 1, 2 and 3. There are many of us out there who still use these regularly. Not forgotten. A place to have resources on Discord would be nice too. As this is pretty much the only Unreal Discord out there tbh.
Don't think it would hurt any to have one little channel for old school devs and modders so we are not left out with no place to discuss things properly
Unless of course you are ageist or don't care about UE versions that paved the way to where we are lol then fine
I suspect the ad hominem won't really be helping your point
Well its the attitude I got a year ago when i suggested it... so lets see
I'm genuinely curious, isn't there some sort of hub somewhere already for legacy modding communities and such?
cant find anything
I've looked for years. Especially on Discord
no one bothered to create one. and theres no point when this is the basically biggest Unreal Discord out there. i figure a little channel cant hurt to give somewhere for old school folks to post as well
Maybe see if you can find a bunch of other active modders and start a community with them?
I just think having a single channel for everything old-school UE would become... Incredibly messy
No it would be fine. The numbers of old school folks isnt as obvously big as the new school folks. But still they need a place for them and it doesnt need to be a big thing. A simple channel for them would be good. If it ever did get too popular or big then they could go from there but I doubt that would be needed
Just that right now theres nothing anywhere and its kinda like... oh... lol
Unreal has such a beautiful logo. Why don't we use it in this discord server?
I like the current logo
We're an unofficial server, operated and maintained by community members. So I felt it appropriate to use our own logo.
Speaking of which, it's time to take down the holiday logo and return to normal.
Also it might be a trademark or something.
What ever happened to that fancy logo that we had during some jam at some point?
Or maybe I'm remembering wrong
Think I'm talking about this guy
That one is much better imo
Really liked that one myself
Now, it's only a Discord icon, so I'm not that fussed
But ya know, if you've got that laying around anyway, I definitely think that's a marked improvement over the current
I’m glad you like it! You’ll be seeing more of it soon.
This? Maybe? For, like, #General streaming moderation? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
What 
Please don't cross-post your question in multiple channels. The post you made in #ue4-general was the correct place. This channel is for feedback on how we're doing with Unreal Slackers, not technical help with Unreal Engine.
oh my bad
I think we should have a showcase section where you can only post pictures, and showcase feedback for the feedback
We're a dev-server, not a place for marketing. If you don't want feedback, I don't think you're posting in the right server
What?
I mean like just to show off your work
and have the feedback and showcase channels separate so people can scroll through showcases and see cool pieces of work without scrolling through large amounts of feedback for the dev
@slender blade
I personally don't think this server is the place for that
why?
we already have #work-in-progress and #released
showcase would not be for advertising at all
Because I consider this place to be a professional one, and that for me implies that what we do here is supposed to be somewhat productive; so if you post in #work-in-progress or #released, you should in my opinion only be doing so because you're looking for feedback
I don't think you understand what I am saying
Make two channels:
#showcase
#showcase-feedback
Showcase is for images and video of cool things you have made in unreal - it can be a game, or just an experiment.
Showcase feedback is for people to tag the creator of the game/demo and give feedback. This means that a user who is simply looking for interesting projects for inspiration can scroll through #showcase without large amounts of feedback that are not for the user, but for the developer. At the moment, #work-in-progress and #released are very cluttered with images and text which is useful for devs, but not someone who just would like to find some inspiration. #released is hard to see any actual gameplay at all because they are all game links. This is fine, but a showcase channel would be better.
This is in the openvfx blender hub
Which is similar, but not quite what I have suggested
In the cryengine discord, if blender isn't professional enough
Right, so one is the media channel, the other is text channel to reply to stuff from the media channel. Makes more sense. Still not a massive fan, as I still don't think this is really necessarily the place to go when looking for inspiration (Twitter? Pinterest? Plenty of other places...), but that may well just be me
I couldn't really think of a word to describe it so I picked inspiration, glad you understood
yeah I know
lol
This wouldn't be a problem if Discord ever implemented conversations like Slack has...
Oh... Something disappeared from here 🐕
Can we have a channel for testing?
Something like "Talk about Automated Testing, UE4's Gauntlet framework, 3rd party testing frameworks"
There's a real lack of documentation for testing, UE4 has ~3 different testing frameworks built-in, and it's a big part of larger UE4 projects (Sea of Thieves is a prime example).
I'm biased of course, I'm trying to get automated testing set up for our UE4-based game and want to share info and ask for help from others with experience.
That's a good suggestion imho. Maybe a bit narrow scope for a channel, but a channel focused on deployment and automation would be useful. In the meantime, you could probably chat about this in the #editor-scripting channel
@light shadow Thanks!
I was wondering, is that channel also for writing editor plugins, editor UI stuff? or is that #slate only?
yeah, I think that would be perfectly fine in there
biggest focus of course is editor utility bp/widgets, but also python etc - since we don't have a better channel for editor modifications and tools that's where I'd categorize that kind of thing
It's part of the engine. Add a new channel. Should be as simple as that. Plenty of random channels get added. Why not this one?
I'd jump into some gauntlet discussions in a dedicated channel. I'm sure others would as well.
^seconded, never really used it but was trying to learn it a few times
^third-ed
How dare you third me :(
Wow I just came here to ask for an 'automation' channel!
There's not much information on automated testing but it;s a huge topic. Any questions I ask in other channels tend to get lost.
Would love to discuss the test framework/gauntlet etc, and maybe we can all learn something along the way.
Would be interested in a channel like that too
I kinda feel moved, seeing game industry discovering the testing thing.
@wise terrace @rich sky @hazy elk @dry linden @fervent breach @turbid lily @mental vessel sorry for the mass mention, but we just added #automation for you. Trying this being agile thing with channels.
thank you :)
feel free to suggest improvements to the channel description, this was just the result of my tired 6h meeting brain
For an instant I thought this was an automotive channel, which I always thought was lacking. If we look at the recent roundup (https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/real-time-roundup-the-growth-of-interactive-3d-and-emerging-2021-trends), automotive probably is the only section mentioned that doesn't really have a space here.
arch-vis should probably be 'visualisation' and be done
It seems to me that "architecture" is a key part of the term "architecture visualization." Why remove it?
because automotive visualisation
and industrial visualisation
there's a lot of UE4 powered car configurators out there etc now
I think you're right that other industries should have probably have more of a place here at this point. I'm skeptical about lumping them all into a single 'visualization' channel, though. Is there really enough overlap?
Side note: I've noticed that more and more people are using the term AEC (architecture, engineering, construction) instead of arch viz these days.
Automotive is larger than viz. As mentioned in the roundup, it also includes HMI design, driving simulation, AI training, and so on. UE is used at a lot of steps along the overall pipeline. It may not be the right time to add an automotive channel here, I'm just throwing the idea out there in case no one has before.
Thanks for your input. I read the roundup, too, and I was thinking the same thing. There's so much going on there that isn't visualization. If we create a place for automotive folks here, I'd want to account for that.
Just want to say thank you so so much for creating this 😄 I'm super happy that you were open to the idea
Waiting and hoping for the new stream-into-the-server system you guys are working on.. 🥲
We're pretty close to choosing a solution. So... soon.™️
👏
Would it be possible to trial a feature on Manny so he can answer some common UE4 questions/problems, so we don't have to keep writing it out/finding links etc? I mean i see benefits for that but i also see some issues, like possible abuse or spam.
It does get tiring putting the same stuff mostly every day for the same common questions/problem. Just an idea, not sure if its been suggested before, my search is not working too well today.
There was one for "is bp slower than c++" ir along the lines. Apparently, frequent question.
I just uploaded a 41 mb gif to chat, this is a game changer. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE SERVER BOOSTS
Would it also be an option to collect the most asked questions on this server and make an FAQ-style super simple website with the answers to them? This way people on the channel could simple refer to the site or even the specific Q&A section.
I could do spearhead the initial development if that's something the community would find valuable.
I have a general request for a new channel.
I believe there are lots of members around here who would like to start working on free projects etc. to boost productivity with using the engine, building websites that aggregate knowledge for a specific subject matter etc.
For example I would like to gauge the interest in let's say a Plugin for the engine before I start working on it. I might also be interested in gauging the interest for a potential marketplace asset.
If this is something the mods could imagine I'd be happy to provide a draft in the next couple weeks outlining my version of how this could work and how to mitigate possible issues that could come up with it.
hmm somehow #gameplay-ai channel is not working for me but the rest is fine
discord servers issue, there is nothing you can do about it
i see. Thanks for letting me know
@red imp yeah I know of it and it's great. But it doesn't have a dedicated section like FAQ based on what people ask on here. The main purpose would be to discourage people asking the same questions over and over and allow other users to quickly refer to the answers they are looking for without having to type out much.
Hello! I would like to bring up a discussion about the #virtual-reality channel. I personally think they should get separated into 2 different channels. (Also sorry if that has been brought up before, I have tried searching in the search bar but could not find any similar discussions).
Currently the problem I see in the channel is that the people that use VR are more dominant in the channel than people using AR, which gives the problem that I see a lot of AR questions getting "spammed" away by VR ones. I think this also happens because VR and AR are not very similar, I'm for example developing my own VR game but would not be able to help with a single AR specific question. Which means that people that have specific AR questions can't really easily ask something without it most likely being gone pretty soon because of VR questions.
As an example I see vishalkhanna#3009 who already asked twice for help with an AR problem but the questions have mean while already been "spammed" away by other questions about VR. (I might be part of the problem in the last case. But like I said, I just don't know anything about AR, but do know a couple of things about VR).
I think this could really easily be solved by splitting the two. I think they are also different enough for it to make sense to do that, in my opinion at least 🙂
Hm
Maybe. Yeah.
The reason some channels are "combined" is/was the idea that similar topics would at least allow the overlapping chatters to help.
The fear is/was that if we split them (which we can do/consider/etc.) that at this point AR just becomes a wasteland.
Vishalkhanna's question might not be spammed away but just never really be looked at.
That said, that was before one had insights on the channel usage. #virtual-reality seems to be in the midfield.
Might be worth trying out splitting them and if one dies out, recombining them.
I shall bring it up
I suspect it wouldn't fix the issue because the overlapping topics would then be discussed across three channels instead 😬
What if we had a channel to discuss what overlapping channels we wanted to add?
I would go further, what about a #rant channel? Just a place for people who need to vent or spice up their lives.
what does a strike mean, i was accidently crossposting, because i saw there is a better channel for the question?
It's a reward for special actions.
If you do notice you cross-post, go delete whatever is left.
I dunno, 2+ 🤷♂️
One day, when you least expect it, it will come and will strike hard.
once i got banned from a server and even didnt know why, i didnt care, but here it would be bad, thats why im asking
Well, just check the #old-rules , they are just common sense. It is hard to cause strikes, in general so I wouldn't recommend you worry over it.
Also you can discuss with the mods post-factum.
3 Strikes until a ban.
But iirc they aren't forever. So if you don't do bad things for a while you go back to 0
ok i see, well bad luck of mine xD, are you from austria too? neukirchen sounds like...
after what time it goes back to 0?
Strikes expire in 1 month.
After being issued
You also receive a Mute when you get a Strike.
You get Muted for 10mins on your first Strike and it increases in duration if you get further Strikes
Strike 1 = 10 minute mute
Strike 2 = 1 hour mute
Strike 3 = Ban
Read the #old-rules mate. Your answer is in there.
i will
Good call on shutting down #mobile for a bit 😛
Figure some perms slipped through the cracks?
Not sure I want to know what's going on
Just ban all them mass taggings.
I assume someone was spam-pinging everyone
Since I ended up with a bizarre ghost (1) on the server
Haha that is pretty golden
Thought it was an admin telling someone off
from what I could gather it was the mod bot invocation that pinged everyone, not the person trying to ping everyone
Oh, I thought a bot raid happened or something. But that can explain it as well 😅
Should've kept the ping though
"Don't ping everyone please!" proceeds to ping everyone
That is pretty good
Just ban everyone in #mobile since it seems everyone that posted in the last few mins are all children and should need to have their parents sign a waiver to give permission for them to interact with the public. I'd be good with this solution....just sayin.
banning people over a meme
ok
But I mean a few people were spamming, and that's not ok
For having to deal with an accidental at everyone, I don't think banning is the right solution
Like, at all
The discord community is just like it is
Well a 12k ping is a good laugh cant blame them for getting feisty
but reacting to the @ everyone is just discord culture
Oh, another Luos I see
if you are going to @ everyone, you better be ready for what comes next.. especially in high usercount servers.
Person: tries to ping everyone
Admin: "Don't ping @ everyone! Wait shit"
Well, considering this is supposed to be a mostly professional server... I don't particularly mind getting rid of memers.
... let be fair tho, its not professional-only 🙂
this shit literally woke me up. And I snoozed the alarm 3 times.
freaked me out.
A man can dream 😦
(Luos did the same a few years ago, channel had to be locked as well)
Really not sure if anyone got banned, though? No idea where you're getting that from?
It's like an initiation
I mean, that happens
You're not a real moderator until you've accidentally tagged the entire server over nothing
It isn't much of a deal
It 100% isn't. It's just a simple ping by mistake. People will party for a few minutes and then it will be over again.
Maybe making an unpublished message in #unreal-news would be a good idea, and keeping it for 2 or 3 days or so
Eeehhh
Tbh with you, you will still have people in a month or so asking who pinged
Haha
Discord should ask for confirmation for servers over 5k people say. Are you damn sure you want to ping?
But nothing to waste precious life time on
when I got the ping I was not expecting it to be this server. But I'm honestly pleasantly surprised on how fast the mods locked the channel.
wait a minute doesn't discord have a confirmation prompt for it
Not sure
It does have a prompt
discord does.
aha
proceeds to test
It usually does
ONE SECOND PLEASE
Might not have it on mobile
Also, it was the bot that pinged iirc
Cause the mod actually put a space between the at and the word
DiscordJS i think
and the bot doesn't escape pings
Was on a server once where people figured out they could use the webhooks to ping everyone
oh nice
Hmm, I dunno for d.js, but you can pass an header when doing requests telling discord to only allow certain mentions
gameboy dev server had an irc link
It is 100% safe
that converted irc-style mentions into discord at mentions
We just removed the bots permission to ping people :P easy enough
"Hey @ everyone, how do I fix this?"
bot: "please don't @ everyone" ~ proceedes to @ everyone
so if you typed darkerbit, you ended up with @darkerbit
then someone typed the word here
If you don't use the admin perms, you can do that, yeah
OpenVFX Had this happen once
honestly I like @darkerbit's idea
Of course with some racist messages and stuff
someone used the jobs webhook to ping everyone
Yikes
are you from austria too? neukirchen sounds like...
Germany
i see
Was using Manny the bot to help post an unpaid gig, he said press 1 to post or 2 to start over. Pressed 2 and he posted. The post is okay, just had one nitpicky thing but figured you'd want to know.
You can delete posts with Manny and repost if you make mistakes.
Ideally you would type out your answers to the questions in a text editor so that you can easily copy/paste them when making the actual listing.
This helps with spellchecking etc beforehand
Shall I drop here suggestions about manny?
Sure. If you have a GitHub account, you can submit an issue too. https://github.com/unreal-slackers/manny/issues/new/choose
Will do, thank you Nick.
Would adding new emojis to server be a good idea? I think it could improve the communication a little bit
Yeah some emojis would be nice

What is this about?
They were talking about another server.
Yes. There was an accidental ping from a mod yesterday.
Nothing wrong with the bot.
Thank goodness. What would I do without you?
👀
Checks out
Hello Moderators, is it allowed to bump lost posts in #volunteer-projects and similar channels?
#old-rules #7. Should also check out #instructions so you can remove the old one when you do decide to bump it. Not sure how many people actually care to remove their old postings, but it will definitely help if everyone did so when the job is no longer available at the very least.
Okay been a long time since I haven't read the rules, thanks for the reminder Slashin8r, I highly appreciate it
Yeah, it's not public @chilly ivy
Now?
There we go
😄
😅
After all the prep, it's always something little but important that gets missed.
Nice, also, when I joined a new discord recently, the splash screen displayed the rules and I had to hit accept to join the server, thought it was a nifty lil feature. If your ever bored in the future I know that feature is available to partners
The news post mentions that they just enabled that feature here 🙂
I notice that you can add reactions to the rules, not sure if that's intentional or not
... snap
Yup, all sorted now. And I just learned you can get Discord to read messages out loud, which has some amusing results
(It speaks the formatting symbols out loud for some reason)
Yeah text-to-speech has been in since launch. I think the way it works has changed a bit over time.
Anyway, rules sound good and clear! 👍
Are kickstarter postings specifically blocked from "released"?
Ah yeah now i see. Well thats unlucky for those guys that posted earlier xD
thank you to all staff as well as other people behind the scenes who helped it become a reality
It was definitely a team effort. I wrote the code, but everyone participated in the discussion and gave tons of great feedback and ideas.
What's with the people who have edited their names to be top of the user list, and then put URLs and advertising in their status messages?
the use of the exclamation mark to appear at the top of the list is pretty childish, but doing that and abusing the status message shouldn't really be allowed
Well, the people who just have an exclamation mark are probably punished by getting lots of random DMs 🙂
I'm kinda with you on this one
can you extend the bot to say "You're not using hot reload @ user, are you?" would be helpful in #cpp :P
the cmd would look something like !hr @user
hot reload comes up at least once a day I believe to the point where there's even http://hotreloadsucks.com
@bold junco @open radish it is something that is being considered 🙂
👍
duh, you have inside agents
Why not just disable the change nickname ability for normal users
Most of them have that as actual usernames
Just add 300 more bots to place the online users even lower, haha.
great idea! we could have a naming contest for the bots 😄
My votes go to Manny2 through Manny300 😜
If you disable nickname changing, mods can just remove the ! and other funny signs and either give them "Username1-x" names or they get placed where their actual name is
not sure if that works in a 30K server though xD
Ah, like that
'Dunce-001'
There's only a handful of them.
Lots of people with exclamation-mark names, which are... eh, silly but harmless
But only a very small number using that to advertise things
None of the ones currently online are a 'problem'
Right
But I saw 3-4 when I first commented on it
But there definitely is people that exploit it
Pronounceable and easily mention-able
Indeed
I remember someone once mentioning @! and getting the wrong person whose name was just an exclamation mark
ascii wars
there's a user in here somewhere who has a totally characterless username and that should definitely be dealt with somehow
you can't mention it, can't click on it etc
no idea how they've managed it
aha, this might be it
hmm, or not
Could be some unicode or whatever. Need to parse the string in binary 🙂
Doesn't seem to let you change it to strange unicode spaces either
Nope
I tried
It's pretty adamant about not letting you do anything it can't display
Is there some kind of character that's just a single pixel or something?
nop
Eeh... guys unicode is big, there might be something.
Yeah I gave up
It's also possible that Discord have since fixed it
Well, it's not invisible, but I can't click on it [for reference for people reading this later, I was trying to change my nickname to various unprintable characters, with no success]
Anyway, I don't think it's important, if it was disruptive a moderator could still change the name by clicking on the avatar icon
its 1 special character out of a million that discord can't process, like the missing no. of wingdings. while users may not be able to select the special name (and empty picture, but I'm not going to do that lol) it doesn't prevent moderators from being able to select the user in the admin server member list. Alternatively, you could activate developer mode, copy the discord message ID and use a bot quote the message, have the bot ban the user by the message ID (or even change the username for the user), or have the bot DM you all the available details of that user so you can get that sweet sweet satisfaction of exacting STREET JUSTICE your self
The reason I don't mute the news section is because I want to know when new updates or, you know, news is out about the engine. Poetry contests are not news. Those are promotions. Its very annoying to think some news has come out only to find that there's a quirky poetry contest.
I agree
We pinged everyone because we wanted to make sure everyone had a chance to enter.
Maybe in the future we can have separate channels for Unreal news and server announcements?
That sounds like a really good idea, and was something i was thinking about earlier ^
Yes of course but I'd wager that an overwhelming majority of users here do not care about superfluous content like poetry content. It's not a huge deal to get pinged, it's mildly annoying and I can just mute the channel but if its not too much trouble then yes I'd definitely recommend having separate channels
Would have not been an issue with people could tag themselves with roles 🙂
Like "Programmer"
But yeah, I don't like the advertisement myself
Also, strange it's ReSharper and not Rider for Unreal Engine for lifetime sub
Rider for Unreal isn't out yet.
So, definitely nothing to do with UE4
Resharper has built in UE4 support, just like VAX
Right...but that really had nothing to do with UE4, I mean, just adding something (do UE4 related thing) to it doesn't make it so
Don't see how giving away Resharper licenses is a bad thing but ok
Some people might be grateful to get it
Well, I would like to see equality then. So VAX is next right?
But seriously. There was definitely no need for the "everyone"
I think you made your point quite well, Victor, and are now just detracting from it by being pretentious about it
I hadn't even noticed the resharper thing. I'm currently filling out the survey but the opening thing was the poetry contest so I immediately tabbed out
I mean, this is kinda blatant advertisement from my POV.
We think ensuring everyone gets a fair shot at the giveaway is worth the risk of irritating a minority of our members.
☝️
Wasn't there a giveaway channel once?
Again, I feel like you should start thinking seriously about Auto-roles
Have people opt-in
That's fine likewise users like me are just going to mute the server. Like I said earlier its nbd but this is the feedback channel so that's why I'm muting the server
And using the appropriate roles as needed. Would simplify things so much.
Like if we gave away any software it could be called "advertising" since we are giving away their products
People want to know about ads? "Ads" role. Want to know about giveaways "Giveaway' role. Want to be tagged in things for programmers, "Programmer" tag, art, "art", etc etc. "news", as well
I guess this whole "giveaway masked as an ad" thing is subjective, so we can just gloss over that point, but yeah... roles...
Just my random two cents as always.
I mean all feedback here will be taken into consideration in the future, that is the reason for this channel. So we appreciate people voicing their concerns of course. A role system does sound nice. Also splitting news into server-news and unreal-news would be something to consider also.
that's a little spammy for an @ everyone tag
Although I am super shocked that this hasn't happened yet with CORE.
Feedback taken into consideration. That's a laugh.
Let's be serious here, things move slower than a glacier when it comes to server improvements.
This has taken an oddly hostile turn
maybe a giveaways/commercial offers/kickbacks channel that can be separately muted?
The role thing has been asked for, for years.... YEARS...
Just an annoyance honestly, because things that are said just never turn out. And I feel, if I don't say it, no one else will.
Thanks for the feedback guys. Partnering with third-parties is new territory for us, so I appreciate hearing from you guys about the best way to do it.
I personally don't care, maybe the ping was not necessary. A new channel or whatever makes sense if this becomes a regular thing 🤔
Anyway, let see what will be the Haiku 😄
this is one of the few servers where I don't have announcements muted because I normally want to see them
A separate channel for things like this I feel like is a good idea but also don't think a single ping should be such a problem to anyone
It was the only channel I didn't have muted and it changed my mind about it
which again is not a huge deal
Is that because you don't want to know about contests, or because the channel is called #unreal-news and this isn't strictly news?
People look at it for important news with regard to Unreal
This isn't that
It might be of interest to part of that same audience, but it's not important UE news
I was mildly annoyed by getting a ping so now its muted. This wouldve been the final straw or whatever but yeah I look at news for news not promotions
So splitting the news channel into two, like server-news and unreal-news would be better?
yeah I'd mute it if it was mostly promotional stuff, just when you are in like 50 discords it is too much. if this was the only one I was in I wouldn't mind
Yeah, I understand that perspective for sure. Historically I have reserved pings for engine releases and major server-related news only (such as the new rules and shipping Manny).
a giveaway is definitely ping worthy, not pinging would be a mistake, there would be people who might enter now and would miss it otherwise
I chose to do it here to make sure no one missed out. But we'll definitely consider splitting up news. I've been thinking of it for a while. There seems to be genuine interest in having a channel dedicated to Unreal news, separate from Slackers announcements.
That would solve everyone's problems neatly.
a #promotions could be nice, no one would miss them that wanted them and would still default to getting notified
it also may help with the FTC rules, it was a bit unclear it was a paid promotion
but if it was in #promotions it would be clear
if it's a paid promotion it needs to be declared as such
I'm not sure how those rules apply to discord, instagram and twitter use #ad I think
I'm not sure the server is being paid for the promotion, that'd be the qualifying factor for FTC regulations
But, also, separate roles, would be nice. @news @promotions
Because doing @everyone(which doesn't actually do it, shouldn't anyway by me) in any channel, seems a bit much.
okay @ruby knot well that's where the complaints are coming in because me and a handful of others care so little about giveaways that we're actually annoyed to even be told about them. There's probably a large number of people who didn't voice their complaints at all and just muted and moved on since this is basically a nonissue. The issue is resolved for me the server is muted and the only reason I'm still here talking about this is because I don't go to work for antoher two hours and am procrastinating. Idt this is a particularly relevant issue either way. You shouldn't take the muting personally and I'm not suffering some grievous loss by having to click a few settings.
You can mute @everyone in specific channels
yeah, but man... why
Which I guess would do the same as roles?
I'd prefer to not mute the server because that mutes everything
Do I really have to start micromanaging servers?
It's just common sense
But yes, you're right. I can micro it, that's why we have the tools.
Understandable, I'm not taking it personally 🙂
But a lot of people will be doing that
Yup, and the issue is though... when there's actually good news, people will miss it though. Can be easily resolved, by new channels for promotions and adding roles finally onto the server for opt-in.
I guess to clear up, is the server being paid for running the promotion?
No
If they only add promo channel, and they do another @everyone then it'll just get muted again I guess.
They provided the licences for us to give away
ah ok, that's a lot different than I was thinking then
I don't mind if it is, but it should be disclosed when it is
I've gotta get ready for work, good luck wrangling mild annoyances if I was staff idk if I'd even take action tbh
Seems a bit of a minor thing to get upset about
If the frequency is really low
For example, I'm in another gamedev server that I, uh, joined and never got around to actually interacting in, and they occasionally do announcements to @everyone... but it's like once every few months. Not a big deal.
I'd think the normal reaction is to just look at it curiously and move on, it's not like looking at a mention takes more than a few seconds?
However, I could imagine it being very annoying if people have Discord configured to play a loud sound for direct mentions
Yeah, I really don't think this is anywhere near as bad as people here seem to believe it is
I agree it'd be a good call to split the news up into #unreal-news and #community-news or something, because it's a good separation to have
But the promotion is by no means inherently problematic, nor is tagging for it. It's just a bit annoying to have promo's mixed with unreal-news for those that use the channel for that specifically
people who have syndicated using 'follow' will also now have that advertising blast in their server too, so it's worth paying attention to that
No, we have to manually Publish for that to happen.
We only Publish the News items that are Unreal Engine related.
Unless your describing something else?
It's not a paid promotion. They wanted to share the UX study with our community, I saw it as an opportunity to do a fun contest and get some free licenses for you all.
And as DevilsD explained, we did not publish this contest to our #unreal-news followers.
Might as well ask it in #design-chat because everyone else asks random questions there too
haha
I'm honestly not sure, #graphics is I think more for materials, meshes and that kinda stuff
yeah
yeah...
Writing shaders isnt a popular enough topic to warrant its own channel so #cpp should be fine.
The answer is #graphics (tech art goes there), but I think there are just not enough specialists to make talking about writing shaders 100% feasible
Honestly, either one is ok IMO.
yeah
perfect, thank you
I can't say I see enough tech art questions that would warrant its own channel
Most tech art questions [in #graphics] require help of a tech artist, they aren't a tech artist asking for help
Well tech art is spread across many channels at the moment. It's a very broad topic.
yeah there's certainly a lot of overlap
Niagara, materials, post processing, etc. may all fall under the tech art umbrella.
this is compute shader stuff so I think that fits more into cpp
ah nvm read again what you said Glass
brain fart ignore me 😆
It doesn't help that broad topics like "tech art" and "game design" tend to inspire a lot of discussion over what they mean.
There tends to be a lot of back and forth over what it is and isn't.
Give the guy a break! It's not up to a server owner to manage your notifications on discord, nor is it up to your bosses to manage your notifications on slack. The people upset with the ping spent more time complaining about it then the time it would take to ignore it and move on. Auto-roles is an unnecessary personal flare, and most users will just take them all. The only arguable benefit would be having an @ news and @server news (whats the point when the user can just mute the source they don't want to hear from, if the news was split), which is not worth the trade-off of adding more complexity to any future features that will be added to Manny. The problem here can be remedied by the user, by simply muting the channel, and checking the news when you have your morning coffee, or during a time where you won't get so disrupted from an unwanted ping, even when it is completely relevant to the context and contains no advertising. Where was the uproar for all the pre Quixel acquisition news posts? Or, all the jam posts where you submit some content for a chance to get licenses for quixel, houdini, and all the other sponsors? All the assets packs that have gone free on the marketplace that are clearly "promoting" (crediting in this case) the studio who created them? Whats the difference?
I'd like to say I really appreciate that posting, for everyone to be able to participate and get a fair shot, I sure wouldn't have known about it otherwise. Congrats on the partnership with jetbrains! Very exciting to see jetbrains interest in the unreal community, and excited to see what's next
I think splitting it into news and server news is a great idea 🙂
Cans we have a text chat between #vc-feedback-support and the voice chat with talk permissions removed with voice and stream - specific rules, as well as instructions on how to use the bot to start streaming?
This way its hopefully more visible when people join the voice channel, so we wouldnt have to explain to everyone how to start streaming (Nobody ever reads the #unreal-news , and the pin message in #vc-unreal-hangout isnt easy to spot, to say the least)
Pretty much
just spotted this stable genius custom status message, if a moderator would like to deal with it:
Fun Fact: Mods cant do anything about custom status
they can talk to the individual and remove them if necessary
yea but they cant make a punisement bcs of the custom stats
obviously they can
they can only dm him and say can you please change ur stat
it is custom...
like check my stat it thecnicly is advertising but they cant do a punishement to me bcs it is custom they can only ask me to change bcs this server is a professional server
if someone is breaking the server rules, the moderators can eject them from the server
he does this himself, he isnt doing this in chat or inside server
We can very much remove the person if they don't adjust it.
^
We can't manually do it, like Nicknames, but if we find a status text that really shouldn't be displayed to users of this server, and the person isn't changing it, then we would probably remove the person.
I'll forward it to the mod channel, thanks Luke!
np, cheers
aight
cringe cancel culture
maybe verbally warn someone before you mute them or warn them through commands
itll give a like second chance
or a warning but it isnt like history on your account
just so its like a warning and not a full on flag
especially for the first mistake
and maybe a rule that says to keep the channels and voice channels appropriate to its purpose and not anything away from the general topic
Moderators have full discretion as to how they deal with members of the community they feel are not upholding the standards we require for the server.
A Strike is not the end of the world.
They do expire.
If you have an issue with a Moderators decision you are more than welcome to contact another Moderator in private to voice your concern. Rest assured that we take these things seriously when they are brought up.
A second general "Unreal engine" dev chat, bc the first one gets busy and bogged down alot bc so many people have questions, 2 channels could space it out better
Or the people there could just use the channels for the topics they're actually discussing 👀
Not gonna happen 😄
Usually where mods hang there is more strictness, channels which are not frequently visited by them tho (cough *design* cough) are free land with bears roaming.
Maybe a "I am completely new to unreal engine and need you to write the code for me" channel? This seems to happen a lot. 😜
On a more serious note, a "beginners" channel might not be a bad idea, but it would need to be directly under the #ue4-general channel for beginners to see it and actually use it, haha.
Basically a channel that doesn't have the newbie guides buried by countless other pinned messages.
I don't really like the idea of a "beginners" channel, what can be considered a beginner is relative, like i think of myself as a beginner, specially when i compare the knowledge i have in unity with the ones i have in unreal, but i can do way more things then a complete beginner that just started with game dev.
And i can see the channel just being a place flooded with questions that can be easily found in google and people asking for code.
Doesn't that happen in other channels already?
By "beginners" I mean completely new to unreal engine. We get a lot of people asking for solutions to their questions and they don't yet understand the basics of the engine. Such as creating your own variables or using the context sensitive search to see what functions a specific object type offers. "Beginners" may be the wrong choice for the name, maybe "start-here" or something similar.
Each channel has their own specific guides relevant to that channel, but the guides pointing to usage of the engine itself as a whole have been drowned out to the bottom of pinned messages or are non-existent altogether.
I was reading this "beginners" idea, so... regardless of the fact that most of those kinds of questions can be answered by "Google", there might be another fact that a complete beginner might not completely understand the difference between a beginner question and a real question, because if they did understand the difference they would have used "Google" 😛 I'd say that would be better to add something to the rules pointing to the fact that users should first try "Googling" things and then if they couldn't find a suitable answer or the google's answer was vague or something, then they should come here and ask it.
I think that a "start-here" channel would better if it was something like the #more-resources or #rules channel, something thats only a collection of resources for people that are starting. In my opinion people that are just starting out should look up tutorials and things like that instead of going to a discord server to ask other people for help, and adding a channel to ask questions like that would just be another incentive to that behaviour.
Yes exactly this. Just resources is all that is needed. Put them in an order that makes sense to learn the very basics of the engine. Things like terminology are key to go over. I suspect more beginners would utilize Google and YouTube to find tutorials if they knew what keywords to use in their searches.
We cant be everywhere at once, if someone is breaking the #rules please notify us.
I see no point, them channels are off-topic maybe 90% of the time. It is not a critique, just a statement.
Bruh..
This is covered by rule 3.
We have solutions for this in the works. 🙂
oop thank you @chilly ivy
i just had like a quick look at the bolded text and thought it meant something else
Just me that thinks the Important category would look nicer if it were...
#rules
#more-resources
#unreal-news
#announcements
#introductions
#server-feedback
?
Also kinda wondering whether there's really much point to #introductions overall...? I realise it's definitely being used, but it's really just an echo chamber - no-one ever replies to anything there, and I really do wonder whether it deserves to exist, and if so whether it really needs to be in the top-most category 
I've been considering something similar, but with #announcements and #unreal-news flipped. So maybe. 🙂
i think that would like nicer
I've asked myself the same question, and we're discussing this internally. It's in a sort of gray area. Technically it gets a lot of use, but one could argue that we should encourage new members to introduce themselves in a more active channel where they can actually connect with others.
On average there's about ~500-600 people reading #introductions.
That's a metric based on activity in the last 28 days.
I read introductions from time to time
If I see someone interesting, I can poke them in another channel
Creepy
@slender blade that is what pings are for 😄
@chilly ivy people who say hi, introduce themselves in an active channel and ask if they can ask a question are rarely warmly received in my experience
at best they get something along the lines of "ask already"
You added "and ask if they can ask a question", which I don't think we should encourage.
it tends to go hand in hand
Well I try to discourage it because it's implied that you can ask a question. 🙂
I'm sure there's something we can do to improve the new user experience. I want people to feel welcome when they join us.
Regardless of their skill level or background.
i think introductions is perfectly fine, doesn't really get into anyones way
Hm, good to know. Thanks for your input.
Can i get stream perms
just for this moment
I would like to get some help on a certain movement mechanic that Im having a struggle on and I cant stream my blueprint to Xander
You can request permission from @leaden karma now. Send the bot a DM with the !stream command.
but i wasnt here for a week yet
thats why im asking
its just for one thing then when its done you can remove the permission
ok nevermind its fine
We have the restriction for a reason. Its best you wait the required time and try again.
okie its just a staff member once told me that if its for emergencies then they could allow a certain amount oftime or like just for that one thing they can give you temporary permission
and i was needing help but its ok i fixed it myself 🙂
That would have been prior to the current system with the bot.
As it is relatively new.
Ah ok
I know that this channel is for the server but I have a suggestion that you guys might if you can share with epic games since ur partnered that it would be nice to enable multiple begin event plays to be used as itll just start looking through the nodes multiple times while the game has started
if you cant tell the epic games then im sorry for wasting your time
just wanted to shoot out an idea if its possible they can make it for any future updates multiple begin play nodes can be used as i believe it wont break anything
@craggy widget Please use the forums to suggest improvements to Epic, we have the same limited ability to make or suggest these changes as you do.
ah ok thank you
@craggy widget What stops you to use one begin play event and have more commands there?
I dont know but clearly something broke as I was trying to test a few stuff and now crouching is bugged and wall running is disabled right now
@ionic rover
right, but that's an issue with your code - having more entry points isn't going to fix that (if anything it's just a way of creating unmanageable chicken vs egg issues)
Guys, are you all in the wrong channel? 🤔
we are
lol, good
can we make the server rules off limited use of swearing, maybe have a verbal first if the mod seems it useful and make the rules clearer in the fact of it dose not say that swearing is not allowed or that it is to be kept to a min.
that's always a tricky one because words that are considered swearing aren't the same in all English speaking countries
there's the 'no NSFW content' and the 'be civil' rules that kind of cover vulgarity to an extent
but I'd assume this server to be "PG-13" generally speaking
As ambershee said, this is a PG-13 server, and we want to keep it like that. We understand some slip ups happen, and this should not be a reason for a strike but a verbal warning before hand as yes it does happen, but excessive language like that should result in action. Note certain types of language will result in immediate action.
I get a missing channel error when I click on this discord - how do I set a working default channel?
A "Missing Channel" error?
#old rules attempts to load
Can we ban people posting polls/surveys etc? It's becoming pretty spammy.
Should I start a poll for this? 😜
I will fight you
People posting surveys could be directed to the job board maybe? Not really the type of job you would expect to see on there, but maybe they can post in #volunteer-projects to look for people to fill out their survey.... Not really any good way to handle it I can think of, haha.
@gritty lotus where?
there was one in lounge earlier - but they've been popping up most days the past couple of weeks
it's like 'annoying and pointless university survey season' or something
yeah i saw the one in lounge, will discuss it with the others, think random surveys should be approved only, and if they are of good importance.
not just spam surveys
we should have more voice channels imo
can we get more general voice channels
i agree, good suggestion
sorry if stupid question but why can't I see any posts in job board channels?
Can't be a stupid question cause I don't know either.
There is no post from the Manny Bot in there for you?
I'm on desctop app, tryed to update and restart didn't change
These are embed messages. Is it possible that users can disable them for themselves?
yes, that was the case, thanks
I think the voice channels should require push to talk
I think we should have stricter rules about racism, racist arguments, arguing for racism, and people literally dropping the nword.
I'd think that would fall under rule #1
Though it's not explicitly stated (it really shouldn't have to be)
If things are said that you think require moderator attention, you should ping the mods
If that sort of stuff is not being moderated, I'd generally assume it is because the moderators aren't seeing it
This exactly. Please ping us if you have concerns about other members breaking the #rules
We cant be everywhere at once.
Rule #1 covers this, and so do the Discord Community Guidelines and Partner Code of Conduct.
I don't think those people can read anyway
And the moderation has rule #11
Guys, maybe nuke #design-chat it totally fails as having anything to do with game design. It maybe is even worse, it reinforces the idea that game design is 3d models, floor plans or whatever you choose from the 90% off-topic content over there.
Maybe just renaming it to game-design might already help, it at least further specifies the topic at a glance.
Hopefully helps avoid the largest confusion. "Design" sounds so abstract on its own.
That channel is totally off. Also, it was before already named game-design, still the same failure it was. Ppl just consider everything a design. For a game.
i don't think renaming it would help, i've been in some servers that had a game-design channel and suffered from the same problems, people asking for help with programming or graphics with the excuse "its a design for my game so its game design". The problem is that people dont know what game design is and honestly i can't think of any solution to that since its up to them to go and do some research on what is game design
Isn't there a term that could substitute it entirely?
So we can drop "design"
The topic itself is valuable
Only thing I can think of is "game-mechanics", but that doesn't really cover the whole definition either
Better nothing than fake anything. If the actual content is say less than 10% then it is really not worth to keep it alive anyway. It can spread over the other channels.
maybe deleting the #design-chat and creating a new #mechanic-design channel could help alleviate the problem, since there's already a #level-design channel having a channel to cover the mechanics design would cover most of the questions that are game design related and would be asked in the design chat. There would be some gray area but it would be better than having the channel being used to ask graphics questions or ask for feedback on art
Watch people ask how to create vehicles 😛
as soon as this is the name, it'll be swamped with "how do I implement this in BP"
#mechanistics-or-narrative-integration maybe. dropping design from the name could be useful.
#game-feel, etc might work but don't feel like the right name. I think it's unlikely a name will stop off topic spam while being an accurate name.
I think it's unlikely a name will stop off topic spam while being an accurate name.
It's less of an issue in other channels, so there has to be a term that will properly communicate context
But yeah, seems to be tricky 😄
The first one i think its way too complicated and long so many people will just go to some other channel to ask where to post a question, since they wont know that this is supposed to be the game design channel. The second one i think its too simple and also would be hard for people to understand that its the equivalent of a game design channel
Yeah, because it has to deliver that context even if somebody doesn't know what game design is ...
#game-cohesion maybe?
Maybe let it be "design" chat for "designers", then add #narrative-design and #balance-design to the content creation category.
I think your trying to pick a solution for the wrong problem, the goal here is less channels, when there is a genuine question I've seen some pretty great responses there. I think the concern in #design-chat would be much better if we all put more effort into redirecting the questions from there to the appropriate channel, the mods have asked us time and time again for help with moderating the community, I think that's at least worth a try before splitting and adding more channels
The need to redirect questions there to other channels is the only problem I'm aware of, and then only because the channel description is narrowly defined around game design.
Is there a location to appeal strikes? I did not receive a link with my strike. If not I'd like to explain why I posted my stream to the streaming channel.
You can contact a Moderator in DM to discuss Strikes.
ok, thank you
My offer was removing it, mentioned it few times why. As for moderating the community yeah, been there, maybe redirected at least hundred times myself. At some point you just see it is useless to fight the wave and you better ride on it.
Better to design something so you don't have to redirect as much
It's less about helping out directing people, and more the futility of it if the system (channel name) is too confusing
(Agreeing with ryo here)
I think a problem is that people don't understand what design means, or think of it as a synonym for "game development", when it's actually a concrete discipline. Honestly I'm a bit at a loss how we can provide a space for game designers to talk about their stuff, without having all these lost souls wandering into the channel talking about non-design topics.
maybe having a design-corner category, with channels for #level-design, #game-design (or #gameplay?), etc might make sense? I don't know folks, your suggestions are welcome
I think something like that might work
And I think it's going to make a massive difference to move it down
I've suggested that in the past as well
Right now people run into #design-chat before seeing #graphics etc.
If we have a game-theory category below Content Creation
I feel like that'd be way less likely to get stragglers
would pinning an article explaining what games design actually is help maybe then people can be pointed to that rather than people having to explain it to them?
Nah the problem is these people don't read
Giving them something to read to clarify the situation won't help much
Yeah, separating "design" into a whole category of more clearly labelled channels might just do the trick
So they're no longer talking about "design", but something concrete within that whole discipline
I'm wondering whether a lot of people are self taught as well so may not know all the terms so clearly separating them will help
yeah, pinning stuff in practice very rarely helps, because the people who would bother to read pins first before posting are not usually the problem 😉
I guess, I just thought pointing people to the pin would be easier than having to explain it to them
we've discussed the option of macros as well, so that all of you could write e.g., I don't know, !designintro and the bot would reply with a boilerplate message about the purpose of the channel or so - kind of like a FAQ answer
oh that sounds cool
If we're actually gonna try and fix the thing
I'd also say there should actually be moderator action against people that don't read what the channel's for
Still... not sure it is worthy. Just bury it and let this pain end. Making it right will require some dedication and I don't see it happening, considering the results so far.
i think that having the design-corner category is the best suggestion so far, the way it is right now makes it impossible to prevent the misuse of the channel. Having the channels of the category being more specific terms of game design like #game-feel, #game-narrative, #game-balance would turn the channels into more specific ones and lessening the misuse by people that have no idea what game design is
Also i agree with ryo that the existing one should be deleted, it has no purpose other than being just a collection of random things from art to random people posting random surveys on google forms
I'd really suggesting not using the word design in the category name though
Because that word is the entire reason this problem exists
I'd sooner do something like game-theory
it's not theory though, it's very much practice and application
I definitely realize that it's not a perfect name for what it is
But if you put design in the name you're going to get people thinking it's graphics
I'd be willing to put money on that 😛
yeah 😕
whatever you put the name as, i don't see it preventing "hi, how can i import my mesh into unreal?" questions
how about applied-game-theory
I feel like having the word 'design' in the category is not as much of a problem as it is having it in the channel name, if someone that doesn't know game design goes there and the channel names are specific things from game design they would be less inclined to actually ask random questions there. Also making sure that the category goes bellow content creation and programming makes the odds of it happening even lower
I felt a great disturbance in the server, as if millions of confused developers suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
May it rest in peace.
T.T
Oh nooo
I'd like to once again mention that I think it'd be nice if the Game Jam section moved down in the category list?
Is there a rule against people with offensive profile pictures? Last night I saw someone in the chat that had a communist china image but I don't see an official rule for this.
is that offensive?
yes
theres a rull against being offensive so it prolly includes pfps
i dont see a problem with that sort of pfp but ig u could report them
I find it offensive to see a USSR China communist image, so in my opinion yes. Ok I will report next time, thank you.
Why is that offensive?
When politics gets involved, it is similar to watching football fans quarrelling.
And boy is it fun
@slender blade that is already being discussed, going to have a sort out of categories.
I feel like I'm being a bit dense here, but there doesn't appear to be a way to make Game Jam Hangout go away
Unlike the other voice channels, it's now in the middle of the list and muting it and turning on hide muted channels won't hide it
Doesn't it go away when you collapse the category?
This is the behavior I get with the category muted.
Yes, it does it that case
Somehow I thought there should be a way to hide the entire category - but that's not how it works with text channels either
No you can't hide categories, only collapse and mute them.
On mobile it stays expanded :/
Still weird that you can't hide single voice channels - but that's a Discord thing, nothing to do with the server
It collapses for me both on desktop and mobile, if I collapse the category
only if nobody is in it
Yeah, voice channels only ever completely disappear if they're empty.
If they're occupied, even when the category is collapsed, you will see who's in the channel.
That's some terrible UI design on Discord's part... not much we can do about it though
I guess it's a holdover from when Discord was specifically designed for voice chat
Perhaps. To be fair, voice is still a significant part of Discord culture.
I'm sure there are a significant number of people who use Discord without ever using voice
loving the spring cleaning, everything really does feel less cluttered, especially how general is set up
Add a channel for RVT
Hi there. I was wondering if you guys would like to consider creating a dedicated channel for AR related stuff? From my experience the AR related questions get buried from all the VR content in #virtual-reality
food channel is nice social, but, can get it in slowmode? the one guy spamming food, while great content, blows out everyone else's posts and scrolling that is already wtf.
Today some war of pictures went on. Kinda turns that channel in random pictures show off. No sense of personality. The food lover in me is hurt.
Hm, new channel, will probably normalize itself over time.
I haven't been in the channel, but a slow mode seems really aligned with thoughtful discussion and sharing of food.
If that was the intention behind the channel, adding slow mode will only help it.
Heck, you could have the slow mode gated behind a role, and then that role get popped onto spammy users
either automatically or by report to mods
The only way a role can circumvent Slow Mode is if they have Manage Channel or Manage Messages permission.
well that's just stupid, discord
Any security minded moderator around to ping me for a second? I have a question, although I may just unnecessarily cry wolf, but I would like to at least briefly discuss my concern, in private if possible 🙂 It's almost 8 p.m. here my local time, I should be around for a couple more hours. Thanks!
You can just DM one of the online moderators
Kaos reached out, I will talk to him. Thank you everyone!
I think it might be a good idea to have a rank called "Trusted" and those people are regulars and are trusted people. They have the power to strike but that's it. That way, if someone is breaking the rules and no mods are around, the Trusted people can have some control.
Probably better to do a Mod Jr role instead
that could work too, would that be the same thing but named Mod Jr?
i feel like that could cause more trouble than help. Its way easier to just ping the moderators and wait for them to act
I bring it up because almost every day for the past 2 weeks, we've had people coming in talking about offensive things, breaking the rules, or talking about doing illegal things.
trusted with mod perms is just categorically worrisome, because I can almost guarantee people would want it invisible
It wouldn’t address the problem. Bad actors would learn to recognize the new role and we’d be back to square one. Not to mention: what happens when those people aren’t around?
Mod powers should come with mod labels
And even though rules aren't optional when mods aren't visibly present, that will be the loudest counterargument
Absolutely. There’s no way we’re having stealth mods here.
@chilly ivy that being said a ! report @ocean siren command might be useful for internal mod use. Let you flag an addressed issue (or one that doesn't need action)
could set it up to also create a post for moderators tagging
It's a bit unfair to suggest people would want it to be invisible and then use that as a counter argument. I don't know that I agree with Eddie's suggestion but as is voice chat is losing all the people that made it a good place to be the last year or so. It's a constant deluge of the same idiocy over and over again and the people who can contribute to meaningful and useful conversations don't want to deal with it constantly. I do know that if a solution isn't found you're going to lose the opportunity to keep building on something that I think can be a valuable part of the server.
I agree with Mike, I don't want to cause any problems or any distress, I was just throwing an idea out there. I met alot of awesome people on this discord and I like it being an enjoyable place.
what issues have there been?
Personally, I don't want to have that conversation right here in this channel.
that's fair enough
@native portal if I was offered a trusted role, I would want it invisible (untaggable, not hoisted). The only assumption is that people would find hidden power worrisome.
That isn't that big a leap.
You assume everyone would want that. It's not a part of what he suggested. I think you're also wrong in the assumption.
have a good day.
You're assuming that it will be rare
idk
peace ig
why engage the discussion in the first place if you're going to argue in bad faith and don't want the exchange
I'm not acting in bad faith. I made a statement, said my piece, and those in power can do with it what they wish. I have no intention of getting roped into a long debate about something inconsequential so I'm moving on.
I don't mind the move of #game-jam-chat #game-jam-lfg down to "no-dev's land" when there's no active #unrealjam but I do petition to have it moved back up top as soon as a new one is announced and then retired a few days after it's over (so people can post their jam games/streams and such).
@rich sky there are random gamejams happening every gosh darn minute, wym?
Had it?
Well that should be mentioned in the pinned messages or in the channel name then
It doesnt say that they ARE from epic either
Yessss, what about it?
Just for clarification, it seems we forgot to change the channel description after the Epic Game Jam ended, but yes, this channel is not exclusive for Epic Game Jams, just for clarification 🙂 sorry for any confusion
@primal ocean @rich sky @queen latch ❤️
We make a link to it in Epic Game Jam announcement posts, and make it more prominent during this time, but yes, feel free to use it for other game jams ^_^
I know it's not really of any consequence, but I miss having the #work-in-progress / #released channels nearer the top of the channel list. Was worried they were removed for a minute. Seems to be a great way for creators to share their work and get eyes on it, but it's a little bit hidden beneath the creation/ask for help channels now.
This is intentional. We would prefer to have the help channels be above other less consequential channels to help ensure people see those first when looking for help.
Shouldn't Gen fall under platforms, or perhaps above sharing, then?
#ue4-general is the eminent help channel, but #career-chat and #industry-chat could be moved to the social category. Would make General a bit sparse though.
#ue4-general to Important, those chats to social, #events to social, #fab to Content Creation?
or sharing
General gets totally removed then
#ue-general-discussion can be a new name
My reasoning for the other channels in general not needing to be at the top is that if I'm looking to the channel to ask about whatever I encounter on day 4 of UE4, I don't care about the overall state of the industry. If I want to use this place for networking, I'm probably going to have discovered the job board, so I can be trusted to scroll the sidebar.
Guide would ensure that I can easily access a list of all the channels, even the ones off screen.
I kind of understand the share channels being under the help ones, but it's even under the looking for team stuff, just feels like showcasing Unreal projects had been reduced to an afterthought on the discord
Hm i feel like the second we move this, someone else will say they don't care about sharing and want their job post higher up.
True, the lounge must be on top
The lounge reigns supreme.
definately, there must be space designed for users to resolve a dispute, if unjust situation has been encountered.
i fail to find my statement of appeal related to the consequences of stike - preventing stream for month.. wonder if it was deleted, if so i wish to reemphasise the matter, and locate right place to re post the matter. Because its essense is in underlining the possibility of Cyber community to to discuss the matter and resolve it, granting decision free of personal bias as well as define or alter individual or not target matter.
You can discuss this in privat with a moderator. There is and will be no public place for you to discuss this. You received a strike and you will have to wait until it's gone to stream again.
Further posting publicly about this will just cause you to get a second strike for breaking rule 10
as clear as daylight @deft raft,
**Was wondering if there was a way to have a "go-fund-me" style funding system, to create Epic Marketplace Content in here - **or if anyone of the slackers team has a close enough contact to EPIC to help discuss a topic like this a bit more in depth?
Core Idea is:
- buyers propose pack ideas,
- devs then proposing cost,
- initial idea provider then chooses the dev
- chosen idea and cost then can be funded across multiple supporters that are interested in a pack in said style and cost in a patreon only way - so not as an investment but as:
"hey i want that anyway and don't have the money to actually hire an artist, but i can at least support the overall creation of something like this".
- Payout to creator would happen in stages with 50% upfront, 50% on delivery on the epic store - with supporters getting access for free, while anyone else can just buy the pack from the mp.
I am doing stuff like this already with some developers but I believe we could further a lot of good content on the mp if instead of "everyone for himself"-ing, banding together to support creators overall to improve existing content or to create new overall needed content to the mp.
Power to the ppl style :D
I think if a single dev would end up doing this, it would also end up with a lot of trust issues, thats why maybe having a secure way with slackers behind it, or even epic having that type of solution at the ready directly on the MP would be a good way of securing trust and getting people involved properly.
I think any store owner knows how much of an initial risk you are taking whenever choosing to invest time and money into a new asset pack.
What kind of security are we talking about?
If you need Epic involved you need to contact them.
I don't think Unreal Slackers will offer any form of security. The whole payment stuff can go very wrong.
Sounds more like you want to use Kickstarter and similar directly as a service. We can't really provide any security. We already don't do that for job postings. You have to look out for yourself. :<
(I like the idea though)
The idea is interesting but I do think there is a big risk of scams happening with a system like that
In what way?
Security as in perceived security. Single dev doing this has not much to loose, just remember how often we end up having discussions about person x scammed person y in this discord alone (not to mention other dev discords)
a conglomerate of trusted individuals though backing it seems way healthier
yeah i totally get that ^^
I dont believe epic will listen one second to what I am saying tbh xD
Payout to creator would happen in stages, 50% upfront
Supporters in this case seem like they have more to lose than the dev
you can simply make sure that devs can only apply to post a proposal if they already have content on the mp
that way you root out quite the number of scammers immediatly
That's true, not a bad way of handling it
no one goes through the trouble of mp verification on a product just to scam ppl is what i am saying 😄
and not paying out at least a certain amount pre would mean the risk stays entirely with the dev which is the main issue
and with paypal refund you can worst case always pull the fee, if a scam happens
paypal is very healthy when it comes to this
Like it would be good if Epic would pickup on the idea, the whole thing could be tied to an Epic account, the scammer's account could be completely blocked from accessing any of the Epic services
for example
and they have to review the product anyway
but it would only work if supporters would get a free key then
which is sth they should implement ANYWAY
for example for pack reviews
but like i said - epic wont listen to me a single no name dev
if we want this we need a community effort and show them the value and benefits they would gain
And we can learn a lot from failed examples of structures like this, kickstarter, steam greenlight ... and so on
The idea is interesting
someone else already proposed it a while ago but at that point i was like hell no, but after a while i realized it was stupid of me to personally back single devs to help with stuff like tuts or further content, if instead we could just put it into a group effort
Yeah, think the idea is viable. Maybe a post on Epic's forum and link from here might give some voice to it.
Will do 🙂
Every channel is for Teachers. Discord is not an ideal platform to consolidate learning resources, Wikis and Forums are much better suited to this purpose.
Simply ask your questions in the appropriate channel, someone who has an answer will respond in time. Be patient.
someone really seems to hate #lounge as now it's in the bottom again
I fixed the visibility issue this way now
i moved Lounge to top of Social category, as it seems more fitting there. @sleek warren. Other channels should be below it.
There Should be YouTube Channel for Promoting Game Trailers
Where anyone can Share there Game Trailers
On YouTube
Something like UnrealEngine Games
I mean, you are still going to have to post it on YouTube. Then just link it everywhere you can.
And if you mean on this server... #work-in-progress or #released .
Link the YT link
Yes but it can't get that much attention
Welcome to Indie Game Development in 2021
Means Unreal Engine Epic Games Should operated and promote That Channel
It will Help so many Indie Developers
But regardless, we don't have a "marketing " channel here. You can. Ask for help about marketing in another Discord.
They do, you can reach out to them via their community email.
And/or post on the forums
They pick random things from time to time and put it on the launcher or community spotlights on YT/Twitch
But YouTube Video can reach to Real Players also
Thats why Epic Games should Start Channel for Promoting Indie Games For FREE
I've basically told you all I have about this matter, especially pertaining to this particular server. Remember, this isn't an official Unreal/Epic Games server. Just a community of fellow Unreal developers.
Yes I know
Unreal Slacker can also do same thing
We're not run by Epic Games. Unreal Slackers is operated and maintained by the community. Not to mention Epic already does an awful lot to promote games for free. Just reach out to them.
Contact the evangelist team at indies@unrealengine.com. They're more than happy to help.
Thanks I will
ok
^user ID
Thanks for letting us know
There's no actual pings anymore in announcements/unreal news, I suspect perhaps from the hindrance that it posed to some that came forward a little while ago?
Would it perhaps be an idea to get a notification role people can subscribe to, to get a ping when something is posted in the announcements/unreal-news? I'd love to sub so I get a notification.
We haven't changed our ping frequency much in years. We generally reserve it for important events, like new engine versions and server updates that affect everyone. Are you interested in a role because you want to be pinged for every post in one or both of those channels?
maybe the notification setting can be non server default, and people can opt out, but wonder if that will annoy people
I have subscriped to it so i get those into a channel in my own discord.
Oh pardon, yes, perhaps I had that wrong in my recollection. Perhaps I remembered more pings than there wore in the past 😄
Are you interested in a role because you want to be pinged for every post in one or both of those channels?
Yes
Exactly
Discord bots can assign roles automagically, if you set up a reserved/pinned post somewhere, by clicking on an emoji under it
By making it opt-in, it prevents issues with people being annoyed at them. There's a pretty widely ranging view on wanting to be notified it seems 😄
Indeed. Thanks for the suggestion. We'll take it into consideration. 🙂
Yes, I've done the same. It works quite well 😄
No you cant. Its a bit annoying but nothing we can do about it 🤷♂️
meh discord and its limitations 😄
I think having a channel for the Network Prediction Plugin could be nice as there we would be able to share recources, info and just help each other using it as its so new😅
We should do Tim Sweeney AMA with the new discord stages feature! 
It's in #released. It's about a game, but it's for a key giveaway, not the game being released.
what pfist said
yeah i see it now took a while for discord to load it up (my internet is messing around, waiting for my FTTH to be installed so on mobile)
Hey there! Following my initial message here <#lounge message>, I'm posting here on ryobg's advice.
Is there any appropriate channel where I could share a set of questions related to QA to get feedback from the community? It's really not intrusive and we have nothing to sell at all, we just need professional feedback on QA testing.
Thanks!
@jade osprey i will bring up a discussion with the rest of the team, is it possible to get more details?
Hey @sand grail , thanks for considering the request!
With Nicolas we don't have a product (yet), we just have the hunch that the life QA testers' or developers could be greatly improved with some tool that would do the boring testing stuff for them. We just want to make sure that we solve the proper problem, that's why we prepared a 3-minute long set of questions to gather feedback on a larger scale. I send you a PM with the link for the questions, if you'd like to take a look 😃
Yeah, seconding this one. Would be nice if there was a place for people to work together on this
Mostly because I have just staretd using it for making my own movement component without having to adapt the CMC to it (which I have had to do too many times)
would be cool to see what people are doing with it, and hopefully we can work together as a community to further its usability / ease of use
I think it would be great if the voice chats forced push to talk to be used.
If that would happen I would suggest making it a second voice channel, because it's extremely annoying to use push to talk 😅
It might be a slight inconvenience to use it but the channel is sometimes difficult to talk in with hot mics, people talking off mic, hearing every key press for multiple people, etc. Then asking nicely usually causes backlash and people will then mute half the server.
It also prevents situations where people are giving a "play by play" on everything their doing to everyone in the channel
I could argue that having push to talk forced on the channel will prevent contention and also prevent possible arguments and conflict when a member asks another member to try and fix their mic.
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Thanks, but next time it involves a DM, please contact one of us privately.
Duly noted, might want to put that in #rules or #more-resources because as far as I'm aware it's not in there?
Rule 4.
I guess you could take Rule four as including this, but I mean...
think 10 covers it also
Rule ten is "ping or DM us"
Sure, maybe we could clarify that in rule 10 to remind you of rule 4, but rule 4 is still crystal clear.
I ping because most times I've DM'd I've been told I'd be better off pinging because then I don't have to wait for a single moderator to have time to resolve what I'm running into
I hardly believe a guy I've never spoken to before randomly DM'ing is really private conversation
Additionally, this channel isn't for reporting violations. We should probably put that in the channel description.
Like, I get what you're saying
A DM is a private conversation.
But this is very much a grey area, and I feel like I'm being told off for trying to keep this server clean
this also goes back to a suggestion made for a report function in manny that can notify us?
That's been suggested a million times and still does not exist
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Would indeed resolve these sorts of situations
What problems would a report command solve that a simple DM to a mod doesn't?
It'd clear the grey area
this is a catch 22 situation tho, someone could dm all the mods online, one at a time, or issue a single command to privately communicate an issue to moderators
Either way, I'll just block my DMs from this server now and stop bothering to report obnoxious behaviour from this server
Because frankly that's the easiest way to resolve this for me
Because apparently I'm doing this wrong regardless of how I try and do it
I don't understand your attitude here. We respond to every report. I simply asked you to follow the rules as well.
You're not being "told off". I reminded you what the rules were, and I acknowledged that perhaps we could better clarify them to avoid another misunderstanding.
My attitude stems from that it comes across as... Rather pedantic, to respond to a report that contains a single one-line DM with "Please respect the rules"
We take privacy seriously. Just because they committed a minor rule violation doesn't mean that doesn't apply to them.
I'm sure you do. I assume you keep logs of every single message deleted and edited on the server without the required consent from users? 😛
I really get the reasoning behind that rule
But the sheer "akshually" vibe that comes from the reply that I got to this report
It was a single line DM of an arbitrary question that was in no way personal or incriminating
it'd go to all mods instead of a single one
The actual report didn't even get acknowledged - I just got told off
Yes, Kaos mentioned that as well. It's a fair point.
I thanked you for the report first.
Bear in mind a DM like this causes me very little frustration, but I put it here so it could be swiftly dealt with because I figure such behaviour would likely be done to other people as well
I'm going to put it really bluntly
But to say that this reads as anything other than a politely worded "fuck off"... I don't see it
I'm a highly active member of this server, and I care a lot for how well it does
But stuff like this just makes me feel as if nobody actually gives a damn and I'm just being shoved in a corner
Either way, I'm sure we've all said what we needed to say about this. I think it'd be better for all of us to wrap up this conversation and leave it for what it is, because I don't believe we'll get much constructive improvement out of this.
Then this is a misunderstanding. I honestly have no idea why you would think that. I appreciate your vigilance and have acknowledged it many times in the past.
My response was in no way intended to be dismissive.
It really did feel as such, maybe it's just how I read it, but it very much came across to me as such
I hope discussing this has cleared things up for you.
Anyway, I recognize I got more heated than is probably fair here, and I understand that this was a mutual miscommunication. I'd strongly vouch for that bot-report functionality 😬
It's quite alright. I appreciate your willingness to talk this out.
This conversation has made me think we need to clarify rule 10.
Generally, moderation policy in the sense of when to do what could do with a bit of clarification
I'm frequently a bit torn when there's for instance someone who just posts things in the wrong channel a bunch, because I feel it's excessive to ping all mods, but I do think it should be reported
So to have a bit clearer plan of attack explaining what to do when running into a given situation would probably be good
(i.e. when to DM a mod, when to ping all mods, when to just mention something in this channel or some other channel)
yeah, unifying that is probably a good idea
Though that does eventually lead back to that most of these grey areas would be easily resolved by just having a report-bot
we could also do something like !report <optional reason/context> and it pings all mods in a mod-only channel with a link to the message
DM the bot, attach message link and any relevant evidence, bot posts to a mod-onl channel
Something along those lines
I think the primary goal is to have everything functioning as frictionless as possible
Additional evidence probably isn't really needed because for more complex cases it'd still be fine to just converse with one of the moderators
Indeed, something like that could work. Moving away from pings would take a while since we've been doing that for years, but I like the idea of adding less friction.
Just have the 'reportee' mentioned in the bot-report so they can be reached out to for additional thing
i mean the Mod ping should always be used for serious things (like flooding, mass spamming, illegal content, etc)
My doubt comes from minor infractions, mostly
I.e. I'm not sure whether to tell someone to post somewhere else myself, or whether you guys would want to log that sort of stuff somewhere so you can keep track
you could also phrase it like: @\Moderators is this tolerated here?
doesn't have to be a @\Moderators BAN THIS INSTANT
😉
Unless it contains screenshots of a DM, then they should contact us privately. Hence how this conversation started. 😉
Heh
I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say we'd be happy to clarify anything or arbitrate
haha fair enough, yeah
Too many mods tho, who to choose? Many of them sleep or are DnD. Need to rand()
Lol
It's always pretty tough to pick when the mod list looks like this
Away, away, busy, away
Who to DM in hopes it gets picked up quickly
generally im around when im online, if I dont reply within a few minutes try someone else.
I almost always have discord in the background so I'll probably see the ping
Same here. I tend to avoid the online status because of constant Unreal questions. Never hesitate to reach out to a Mod in dms if there is a problematic situation regardless of their status. We’re here to help. At least one of us is around at just about any given time.
I found Jan covered most of what I was about to contribute - but a report function could theoretically spawn an entire channel that the reporter and mods have access to (reporter can be removed per-incident or simply not added at all, up to you) and that gives you sort of automatic threading (which discord doesn't really even have at all) per-report.
There could be some markup that Manny could parse to automate a summary and post that to some persistent channel with relevant information (eg, reporter/reported fields for later perusing - considering a ban appeal, say).
like a special message Resolution Vote and Manny tallies the reactions; or Resolve: Ban; idk
Not automatic moderation from manny, mind, just for the summary
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Currently in #career-chat
ok
yea, i banned him
But I'm expecting it in other places too
deleting the stuff
👍
That's what I was afraid of 😅
i don't get what possesses people to do that, maybe we will never know 😄
Same, always have that with trolls
One of my large communities had a period where we got daily raids from people that would just spam stuff like "ULURURURURUURUR OONGABOONGANNANANANANANA"
Was a massive pain the ass
They were always banned within seconds
But I just don't get it
What's the point 🙃
There is no python channel?
Well the serve is an Unreal focused server, there's no reason to have a python channel
There is, actually, because UE4 has Python support
But that support is limited to editor scripting, so queries related to it can generally go in #editor-scripting @analog eagle 🙂
oh didn't know that, thought it only had support to C++, thanks for the info
Thanks!
A bit premature perhaps, but would be great to have a space to just talk about Metahuman here. Perhaps in the content creation category? Don't want to spam the graphics/anim/blueprint channels when the knowledge is so contained within one system.
#metahumans channel added