📕┇lore

[twin tendon]

Since I guess whoever controls THE FINALS brought in VAIIYA because of CNS

[hallow sentinel]

multico

[twin tendon]

Would've been nice if we'd gotten two maps

[twin tendon]

Wat

[hallow sentinel]

the ppl behind the finals

[twin tendon]

Oh shit fr? Source?

I thought they were just a random brand

[hallow sentinel]

no it says in the credits, it starts up and you can see it says multico

[twin tendon]

Man

I haven't seen the credits yet

[hallow sentinel]

go look 🙂 its awesome

and there is special music for it

apparently, still havent heard it anywhere else

this one: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=82IksSrJeiU&list=OLAK5uy_kqbrsaAsQacs7O8TgBzs5Eiq1pgpkiyIg

amm so i left the credits running in the backround, and when i came back it said " Guru meditation #8400001.2F43E53 "

took screenshot but im not high enough level to post pics 😦

[verbal pagoda]

DM to me I can post it

[trail wren]

oh ye this is known, it's been posted in EE

[hallow sentinel]

The pic?

[crimson saddle]

how do the contestants earn money

[hallow sentinel]

Idk, prob a pool of it at the end , like army retirement

I think

[crimson saddle]

sounds kinda weird when you say it like that but it makes sense

[hallow sentinel]

Yea lol lots of ppl say that to me

i sent @verbal pagoda the pics, he said hed post them

[hallow sentinel]

@verbal pagoda thx

[hallow sentinel]

i found out is very re-createable, u just need to keep it running for a long time without interaction and exiting it

[astral barn]

2F434E53, when converted from hexadecimal to text, spells /CNS
Someone has probably already found this, but I have now also found this and am proud

[hallow sentinel]

wow, i would of never found that

[slender gale]

https://www.reachthefinals.com/iseul-t anyone know about this page or

https://www.reachthefinals.com/ospuze

[hallow sentinel]

yea i saw that

both a few weeks ago

was snooping around in the website/wiki

[slender gale]

what does iseult even do

[hallow sentinel]

emm i think shoes, since the ads

[low sundial]

Athletic wear in general, I think

[hallow sentinel]

yea

[slender gale]

alr

[hallow sentinel]

air?

[slender gale]

alright

[mild trellis]

They are a South Korean fashion brand in-game

[hallow sentinel]

when scotty pronounces the names of the sponsors it is kind of sounds a bit cringe, like os-puse and is-ult ( dash for pronounce)

kind of abstract names, or i dont know what im saying

[astral barn]

Iesult is based on the word result, because good sportswear gives results
Volpe has a V because virtual reality has a V, and olpe is very punchy sounding
Holtow is probably based on 'hol'graphic, because they insure the virtual goods
Ospuse sounds like spews which isn't very good marketing if you ask me because I don't want a drink called "spews"

[quartz ridge]

Guys if you look under the platform in power shift u get secret lore stuff

Only if ur near the ending of the circle thing

[low sundial]

I think thats just the AI having trouble pronouncing words that it doesn't recognize, it seems to have a similar issue with compound words

Like saying theoverdogs to quickly

[gritty walrus]

confirmed facts basically

[hallow sentinel]

lol funny 👍

[hallow sentinel]

i think hes got it on par here 👍

[astral barn]

Good devs making cool names

[hallow sentinel]

no kidding, i think i understand the names now lol, before kind of seemed random

https://youtube.com/shorts/31yB0PhHIvs?si=1okQ_EqeH6Vi6jiT

[astral barn]

CNS summed up in one video

[hallow sentinel]

lol

thats why i like GRENADES >:)

[versed rover]

#easter-eggs message

[unkempt marten]

Whatever is currently in game is the correct pronunciation. Why would the devs make it otherwise

[hallow sentinel]

when i said it to myself it kind of made sense for first impressions, but i now know i was very wrong. and i also cant remember how i said it before

i also have metioned this in the past, but there is a message on the akm that says alter. exploit. destroy.

[quaint rose]

vool

[astral barn]

When does something stop being lore and start being Easter eggs?

[slender gulch]

good question

[astral barn]

And is there a full list of discovered stuff

[low sundial]

It can only ever really be lore if it connects directly to the in game world. If it doesn't impact the story in anyway then its technically an easter egg, even if it doesn't have anything to do with the hunt

[gusty hazel]

yeah an easter egg could be a hidden in-game reference to something irl
but that wouldnt be lore necessarily

although yeah plenty of easter eggs in games are lore also

[hollow kettle]

Very fancy plastic

[hallow sentinel]

i was thinking it was somthing to do with CNS, just like S1 with the S LIES on the walls thing

[trail wren]

lots of weapons - if not all - have this, it's been known since the Alpha

[hallow sentinel]

really? wow, i only saw this by chance when i was changeing my charm. id expext the other guns have them hidden on the texture that i cant see normaly

[solar shore]

Why do you keep typing numbers? Just curious @proper tiger

[proper tiger]

Trying to unlock VC

[hallow sentinel]

already got it, ur a contestant now @proper tiger

[gentle bronze]

Vaiiya will stop CNS in season 3

Makes sense storyline wise to introduce the cyber security sponsor

[paper canyon]

Probably

[flat crag]

highly doubt it considering the intro to Season 2 they already failed at doing so

Perhaps what could happen is that they managed to temporarily hold them off but CNS managed to snuck in more stuff

[obtuse merlin]

Imaging heavy light and medium have their seperate storylines

Kinda like overwatch

[flat crag]

Nah. all of the classes are well, classes.

We're just bunch of contestants.

[sand vortex]

no

[primal sphinx]

Isn’t Volpe the cybersecurity sponsor

[rain crown]

i believe thats holtow?

[mild trellis]

The new sponsor Vaiiya is

[primal sphinx]

I remember volpe being it because one of the theories I had was based off of volpe being cybersecurity specialists

[mild trellis]

Volpe makes the VR tech

[primal sphinx]

One of the cutscenes mentioned volpe providing security for the show

[rain crown]

why do you need your stuff insured by holtow if none of my guns have broke?

[primal sphinx]

It’s for if the headset explodes

[mild trellis]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Volpe

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Vaiiya

[mild trellis]

Hollow insures in game items.

[primal sphinx]

Wait then why was volpe specifically mentioned as giving security in one of the cns cutscenes back in s1

[mild trellis]

I don’t recall that. You’d have to link it. I’ve watched all the cut scenes and I don’t remember Volpe ever being mentioned as giving security. Volpe makes the VR tech. They just brought Vaiiya on after the CNS hacks so they just got security.

[plain igloo]

Idk if volpe was connected with security. well if volpe was also responsible for security in S1

Its like Microsoft and K7

microsoft windows has its own security BUT DAMNN K7 is better with more complex viruses

[primal sphinx]

It was the one where June said cns would have to compete if they wanted real fame

Something along the lines of them managing to get through volpe’s security but the finals itself would be harder to crack

[astral barn]

Volpe makes the tech and the game.
Holtow insures the tech and any virtual purchases (like insuring nfts)
Vaiiya provides cybesecurity

[plain igloo]

yeaaa they mentioned itt

how did they get past volpes tech

[mild trellis]

Just watched it June says “I guess that why Volpes tech hasn’t blocked them” nothing about cracking or breaking security of Volpe.

[primal sphinx]

I mean if the tech is capable of blocking people that implies some level of built in security

[astral barn]

But it needed extra security, so vaiiya was brought on

[primal sphinx]

Yeah this most likely

[slender gulch]

i thought volpe provides cybersecurity

[slender gulch]

ohh

[primal sphinx]

The mention of volpe with security led me to theorise that cns and volpe are in some way linked, because something cybersecurity companies often do is hire hackers to try and find holes in their system

So if cns was hired by them previously they’d be able to get past the blockade no problem

[plain igloo]

well CNS is not something that the finals wants in their system so idt they were brought in intentionally

And scotty is always verbally frustrated when we get SYS$HORIZON as the first Tournament map

[primal sphinx]

They weren’t, they just didn’t tell volpe about a flaw in their security and then used the hole to hack into the show

[astral barn]

If you bought a phone, it would have security measures already on it, but you might still download a vpn

[mild trellis]

Multico is the real controller so there’s more to it. The sponsors aren’t what they seem.

[primal sphinx]

Volpe hired people from cns to pen test their tech, cns finds a hole but says everything is good anyway, volpe sponsors the show and provides the tech, cns hacks into the show using said hole

That’s the theory I’m working with anyway

[plain igloo]

The sponsors provide the legos for the owners playground

[astral barn]

All the cash for the cashout needs to come from somewhere

[primal sphinx]

I mean there’s the implication that the finals is itself another organisation

So unless multico has also obtained that they’re just a very heavy sponsor

[mild trellis]

What are you talking about?

[plain igloo]

idk

[primal sphinx]

Same cutscene implies that the finals is another separate entity

Someone brought it up back when the thing showed up

[plain igloo]

the finals is a game show run by sponsors run by multico

[primal sphinx]

I don’t wanna go back and find the message though

[astral barn]

The "CNS will have to compete" one?

[primal sphinx]

Yeah

[plain igloo]

ima go back to catching up on ee.
byee

[primal sphinx]

Iirc the line was something like “volpe hasn’t blocked them, but the finals will be much tougher to crack”

Probably just means the show but it was something brought up back then and I thought it was interesting

[slender gulch]

check this out XD https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1216849544894091404

[gentle bronze]

Volpe is the VR technology, Holtow is insurance

[solar shore]

The announcers glitching are cool but I wish when they glitched CNS would talk over them and say something like were soon going to end it or step number one is done or they say it’s just the beginning and throughout the season, the glitches get more frequent and there’s more and more voice lines.

[astral barn]

Maybe season 3 the CNS stuff becomes even more prominent, I doubt its going to be a one season thing

[solar shore]

That sounds cool Another thing I would want is if you can interact with certain things in the game like say on the new map, they made say you going to a certain room and you walk into that room and it says press some button to interact with it and then a message pops up or something else happens.

That would be a cool Easter egg

[mild trellis]

The game has EEs all through out. These are some of the same devs that did Battlefield. And rob the main guy behind some of those EEs is also the CEO of Embark.

[solar shore]

?

[nocturne turtle]

He's the CCO of Embark (Chief Content Officer)

[solar shore]

I know they made battlefield but I’m talking about CNS lore

[mild trellis]

Weird wikipedia is wrong cause I was going to originally say that. 😅

[nocturne turtle]

In battlefield are a lot of EEs

[solar shore]

?

[mild trellis]

You had said you wished for Easter eggs in the game and new map. There are. The game is filled with them. All I was saying.

[solar shore]

I know that there’s a lot of Easter eggs, but I’m talking about. I wish there was more CNS Easter eggs, but I understand what you’re saying.

[nocturne turtle]

Maybe there are, we just haven't found em

[solar shore]

Fairpoint. But I think a streamer, where a YouTube creator would’ve probably found a lot of them already.

[nocturne turtle]

most ees are found by normal people. The content creators just tell the masses

[simple yarrow]

i found one today

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1191559098420969542

[solar shore]

What was it?

[simple yarrow]

see the above link

i assume those are volpes vr tech

[solar shore]

Mmmmmmmmm ok witch means what lol idk who volpes be tech is?

[mild trellis]

There’s a lore wiki pinned to the channel. Will have all the current info there.

[solar shore]

Ok thx

[simple yarrow]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Volpe

[slender gulch]

i hope credits are given.

[bold sail]

Yuh

[grand dirge]

I wonder what the real world looks like in that game, since people spend 99 of their time on Vr

[vocal pike]

lol

[echo plume]

probably a hellhole

[grand dirge]

I wouldn’t even be surprised g, they call the real world the meat world 💀

[signal yacht]

Wait they do

[hallow sentinel]

source?

[mild trellis]

Top of the Lore page on the wiki, it mentions the Meatspace and I’m pretty sure that’s coming direct from Embarks marketing material.

[hallow sentinel]

Ah

why name it the meatspace tho? are " people " not human like? kind of sounds like a meat planet to me,

[trail wren]

this info comes from the game’s Brand Guidelines - also, this term was used in the late 80s and early 90s to refer to the IRL outside of the cyberspace

[mild trellis]

I was just about to say THE FINALS = Cyberspace and Real life = Meatspace lol

[hallow sentinel]

so this may mean that scotty and june, if they are ai, are stuck in 1982, hence the startup page in the credits thing

soo 1982 phrases then

[trail wren]

not quite

lore here isn’t 1+1=2 - it’s not linear like that

[hallow sentinel]

i know theres more to it

very true

but this all does look like TADC

( the amazing digital circus ) is TDAC

[forest adder]

Yep, I’ve seen the pilot and waiting for ep 2

[mild trellis]

More like matrix and blade runner

[forest adder]

Isn’t the real world in cyberpunk called the meat space as well?

[hallow sentinel]

but it kind of seem like the part of that TDAC is run on a computer from the 1980 i think and cane is ai, and the players join the realm thru a vr headset

[forest adder]

That’s the basic premise of TDAC

[hallow sentinel]

yea but its very simalar

[forest adder]

Most people speculate that people in TADC put on the headset to escape a dying reality

[grand dirge]

The gaming matrix my bruddah

[trail wren]

there's tons of similarities with other works - but it doesn't necessarily translate to where the story will go from here. this is all surface level stuff in that sense

[forest adder]

I agree, the lore is much more deeper and mysterious than the stuff we already know of at the moment

[hallow sentinel]

on point! might be coincidence

[grand dirge]

Thats what makes it interesting, draw your comparisons but its unique in gameplay and lore

[hallow sentinel]

yup!

[forest adder]

You’re the first to bring up TADC though, so that was interesting to say the least

[hallow sentinel]

thanks!

[forest adder]

No problem

[hallow sentinel]

but i want to ask, what explains the finals running on softwhere from the 1980s and in-game its 2100

[grand dirge]

Theres more value in Vr due to the finals, so irl, theyre most likely gained weight, aint showered in days. Meanwhile the ones who chose the meatspace are the minority, most likely a 10% population thats active?

[mild trellis]

I think rob summed it up best. It’ll all make sense at some point or at the end. And i think that’s the great thing about this games lore. It’s not going to be something we get right away. Or know about everything. Things will change and adapt to the players. Like how CNS added stuff to the game.

[hallow sentinel]

couch potato definition

[grand dirge]

Well, you wanted a whole thesis? Lmao

[forest adder]

Hoping that when ARC RAIDERS comes out, we’ll have lore on the meat space finally

[trail wren]

the way i see it, it's not running on that particular OS. but rather, that's the OG MuCoDOS that MultiCo uses for very secretive purposes

keep in mind TheFinals VR v2.1 is developed by Volpe

[hallow sentinel]

oh

so then what can multico do with that system? is that how CNS was able to hack the finals? plus adding the new map?

[grand dirge]

The Vr technology has gotten so good that they practically live there, Central Nervous System switched up the game

[trail wren]

CNS had access to both MuCoDOS and Volpe's source code

we don't know what is the purpose of MuCoDOS yet - we can only theorize

[hallow sentinel]

i mentioned central nervus connection systems in the past.. but the ppl that replyed said it was just to induce the virtual pain for the finals

[trail wren]

the CNS definition is merely a direction Rob "eyed" but we do not know if CNS stands for that solely

[hallow sentinel]

very true, but if its soo securitive, then why was CNS able to get their hands on it?

[trail wren]

a theory on that is that CNS has insiders in MultiCo - or that they know the showrunners

[hallow sentinel]

soo basically making a company that doesnt really exist but only on paper, and then convincing them to give them access to stuff?

[trail wren]

more like CNS stole from MultiCo

[hallow sentinel]

like data fraud?

[trail wren]

no like just hacker stuff

[hallow sentinel]

oh

makes sense

[trail wren]

the reason for the insider theory is because what CNS has from MultiCo is a hard copy from a report

[hallow sentinel]

oh

[grand dirge]

Oh? Well i just joined today haha but yee CNS say stuff like “wake up” , “see the truth” so theyre anti multico for sure

[hallow sentinel]

so they found a hard copy of the software

[hallow sentinel]

if you say it like that, that sounds like superliminal

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1049410/Superliminal/

in the end the docter says " all you need to do now.. is, to WAKE. UP. "

[quartz island]

I interpreted horizon as a scrapped map CNS stole and “finished”. And then the map was used as a back door to gain access into the Finals. But I’m not sure we’ve ever gotten confirmation /how/ they hacked in

[trail wren]

great theory tbh

[hallow sentinel]

true, but the map is somewhere in the compileing stage of THE FINALS system

hence all the glitches and no real textures

[quartz island]

Correct, Which is why the map is still so Voxel like

Funny enough for a half baked map, it’s the most beautiful arena Ive ever seen

[hallow sentinel]

this man said it !

i also made a therory that all the maps are in one big file, just reorented. as in skyway and sys$horizon you can ALLWAYS see a city

[quartz island]

But how would this work with the real world location maps?

I can’t see Seoul from Vegas lmao

[hallow sentinel]

if you pay attention, in sys$horizon there is a city and a mountan, the mountan is prob monaco. and all the others are in the city, like seoul, las vagas, and skyway

man, my fingers have never typed this much before lol

so theres lots of game referances, TADC and superliminal [i think thats how its spelled]

[mild trellis]

I think those are just big coincidences. Maybe superliminal but looking at TADC it came out after this game had already had years of development.

[hallow sentinel]

i can see what you mean, TDAC was being made for a year before THE FINALS

[mild trellis]

The finals was having open betas in 2022

And even further back with alphas

[hallow sentinel]

but with superliminal, you are put to sleep and you imagination is in control with you

[mild trellis]

Yea that’s not a new idea in story telling

[hallow sentinel]

very true

[mild trellis]

Matrix, ready player one, SAO

[quartz island]

I’d argue most influences for The Finals come from other forms of media. RockHoundBlack had an insane video recently on possible inspiration

[hallow sentinel]

yes! all those are related in some way

[mild trellis]

Highly recommended for sure!

[hallow sentinel]

yea

[mild trellis]

Spear said it best here the other day: #📕┇lore message

[hallow sentinel]

ohh

hmm 🐟

[quartz island]

You can’t forget SPEAR’s videos either

[mild trellis]

Never literally first videos i watched for the lore recaps. Also his map analysis are chefs kiss

[solar shore]

They need to be more CNS stuff like them adding more references and certain areas of maps

[mild trellis]

Im sure Thursdays update will bring something.

[hallow sentinel]

yea, like thoses small videos that pop up when u boot the game, just like S1 did

[solar shore]

Hopefully

[hallow sentinel]

man 2.1.0

[hearty sandal]

get gametheory in her5e#

[quartz sigil]

:D

[quartz island]

I think you might be too late 😭

[mint turret]

is it me or should gametheory do its thing for this game

[hearty sandal]

i litterally just said that

[forest adder]

I believe I joined the game a week before CNS was introduced back in S1

As I remember after the first time they were introduced all the way up to 1.8.0 ( I think), every Thursday update had an updated intro giving us CNS lore, correct me if I’m wrong

[solar shore]

Idk

[edgy sparrow]

psst there are hidden lore stuff in the game already… ._.

[solar shore]

I know I just wish there was a lot more

Also some of it is confusing

[mild trellis]

The lore is deep and not everything is going to be right out in the open and easily explained right away. It’s building.

[edgy sparrow]

It’s a pretty complex lore… I know… but it’s actually pretty interesting to be honest… ._.

[edgy sparrow]

Exactly.

[solar shore]

It’s cool there just a lot of hidden ones

[edgy sparrow]

I know but we are in it for the long run.

[simple vapor]

Please make destroyer2009 and the apex hack canon for the finals

[edgy sparrow]

Perhaps we should release some more information soon… there is a lot hidden/embedded in the game… and we are focusing on making the game better every patch… but as a lord-geek… I understand and hear you…

[solar shore]

Do you make the lore? Or what do you do

[edgy sparrow]

hehe

[edgy sparrow]

I’m just a gamemaker that is slightly involved in THE FINALS… ._.

[solar shore]

Ok also yes @edgy sparrow

[slender gulch]

Oh Ethan.

[solar shore]

What?

[slender gulch]

Some people call him SR

[solar shore]

Huh

[slender gulch]

He is Co-founder and Chief Content Officer at Embark. He also works with ARG, EE, and of course LORE. He is known by many names but most importantly SR in this server.

[edgy sparrow]

This got uploaded to our servers today… I’m not sure BUT it looks suspicious if you ask me… I think it has something to do with the lore… will look into this tomorrow…

[slender gulch]

Looks like ASCII art. And some groups name perhaps.

[visual aurora]

Hmm they really have good artists at CNS.

[outer turret]

do you know why cns has gone radio silent on the reddit page? if YOU had to guess? lol

[edgy sparrow]

Yes, we managed to take control over them.

[outer turret]

ahh, didnt know that meant 4RCU5 lost his account access. good to know!

[sacred latch]

NOOOO

🪦 good bye CNS

[outer turret]

lost but not forgotten

[slender gulch]

They love sharing. Maybe they will be back when they have more to share.

[edgy sparrow]

4RCU5/485!D4 is good, but we are better

[stuck verge]

i can't exactly see anything in that image, but it does look suspicious... I need to open my eyes

[sacred latch]

Sorry what, 485!D4

[slender gulch]

øhh...

[low sundial]

_ __ ____________/
____________ ______________________ / /
. / _ / _\ _ / _/ __ __ . /
| \ . / / . \ \ / \ _\ __ \ / ∅
| ____________| / \ |\ \ / _/ / / \ /
\ / \ _\ /
/
In case this helps with anything, this is as close an approximation to the text in the original image I could create

And discord screwed up the formatting

[true grove]

that's cold... wish that were the actual skin

[subtle spear]

hello i want to level

[mint turret]

ji

[trail wren]

fancy seeing Rob here

[solar shore]

Thx 🙏🏼

[hallow sentinel]

Yoo rob texted after my message, too bad I wasn’t here 😕

[hallow sentinel]

is this part of the lore? https://www.reachthefinals.com/t3-f

[mild trellis]

It’s part of the EE hunt #egg-hunt-onboarding

[hallow sentinel]

im looking thru the gold question marks hex data

rn

and im finding more than one adobe link

and just realised i dono what im doing lol

and just relised thats against the rules ._. oops

[quartz sigil]

xd

[dusk dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-spring-equinox-gif-20815060

[stiff chasm]

So that's why it was called that, interesting

[mellow barn]

wait this game has lore?

[thick shadow]

yes. Idk why tho

[drowsy hill]

anyone catch the eulers identity equation in one of the latest official arts?

cause i just found it

also its on one of the sticky notes on the fcar skin teased

[gritty walrus]

I know they’ve been talking about euler for a while in #easter-eggs

[wild apex]

we just still don't know what we have to do with the eulers identity equation

[wild thunder]

Its great seeing the lore channel so active, looking forward to keep building the "World of THE FINALS" for ya'll

[gusty nimbus]

Havent seen the new skin with all the post it notes on it, I'm sure it has some lore on there? Or EE

[astral barn]

People are going over it in a thread on ee

[sacred latch]

👀

[twin tendon]

I love this game's lore, it's so creative how everything is drip fed and hidden!

[manic mirage]

i know this aint lore but i think i figured why there is sites only for iseult and ospuze. its because they are gonna make merch. they gonna sell clothes thru the iseult website and drinks through the ospuze website.

even if i were wrong it would be cool asf

[low sundial]

Holtow also has a site but its still all glitchy

[manic mirage]

yes, but its not shown at reachthefinals.com

[low sundial]

Presumably when Embark starts selling merch their gonna sell it from the main site rather than the offshoot sites to avoid confusion

[manic mirage]

probably, but it would be cool though

[twin tendon]

They're gonna sell insurance for people that get hacked 💀

[twin tendon]

I NEED a shirt, about literally anything, I just want a FINALS shirt

[quartz island]

The angling of this image and lines reminds me of the new sponsor Vaiya(definitely spelled this wrong).. could they be connected? What do we know about vaiya so far? It’s only been about a week since they were introduced

[low sundial]

According to the wiki, we know virtually nothing

So its on us to figure it out

Personally when I look at it it kinda looks like the outline of the letters CNS if you rotated the N 90 degrees

But thats pretty surface level

[trail wren]

iirc, it is spelled Vaiiya according to the subtitles in-game

[magic badger]

CNS stands for Charge N Slam

Heavy’s are getting glitched this season but make a return to their throne in Season 3 where they get buffed

Whoops forgot spoilers

[summer iron]

how much time does it take to steal a cashout?

[warm inlet]

this is the lore channel bro

[gritty walrus]

like 5~6 seconds

[hallow sentinel]

yo @trail wren you do awesome at lore analysis! plus everyone else, 👍

[wise dove]

need level fr

[low sundial]

Why do you need to level?

[fleet hound]

To post pictures i think

[forest adder]

The new sponsor/insurer

[low sundial]

Alright so I've been doing some research and this image appears to be some kind of ASCII art, specifically in the "Oldskool" or "Amiga" styles. We can also see a different form of ASCII art on the primary The Finals logo at the start of the game and in the background of CNS' appearances in the season two trailer.

Here's where the theory part comes in: ASCII artwork was also commonly used by warez groups in their releases of .nfo files and cracked software, so this could imply that CNS is actually a warez group and could be trying to pirate The Finals' software

Or "Crack" it

[hallow sentinel]

oh! hmm so then what else does that tell us?

[low sundial]

It could explain how CNS was able to make their own map, if CNS could successfully crack the software then they could pretty much use the copy to create anything they wanted to and put it into the game

[hallow sentinel]

makes sense

[trail wren]

yes just fyi, this has been explored/discussed before in EE - can’t remember the thread now

[low sundial]

Rob has also discussed warez groups here #1204475718747029535 message and the final song in the The Finals season 2 soundtrack is titled xX_TF_CNS_Warez_FinalVer2b_24bit_Wav_Xx

[hallow sentinel]

._.

[low sundial]

I'm not saying that that's all there is to the image though, I get the impression there's something that I am just not seeing

[hallow sentinel]

thats not all lol there may be and endless amount of lore to this for the seasons to come lol

[west zodiac]

Imagine if the finals is the game show that everyone escapes to because the real world is really Arc Raiders. Maybe we will see some of the sponsors in the world of arc raiders once it comes out.

[hallow sentinel]

true, like a really hyped release of ark raiders lol ._.

[west zodiac]

Same

[solar shore]

Ready player one

[west zodiac]

lol exactly

[hallow sentinel]

weve already went over that, the lore relates to TDAC, superliminal and a bunch of other movies and games

[mild trellis]

The lore doesn’t relate to those at all. It’s all a coincidence. The ideas in those games are nothing new. They have been around for years.

[hallow sentinel]

very true

[fleet hound]

Yeah That's cool

[bronze tree]

wait there's lore??

[worn ether]

Theres lore in this game?

[bronze tree]

there's lore! 😱

[forest adder]

Yes, also love the name

My fav Greek god

[tiny latch]

cns

[solar shore]

Low-key it would be cool, but they already have some type of lawyer most of it. I don’t understand and also what is with everybody talking about these damn generators. lol

[frail fossil]

yall think as part of the story, they’ll eventually add the real-life city version of sys$horizon as a variant, in the effort to overtake cns again?

[rare osprey]

How do you mean?

[tiny latch]

wow

[rare osprey]

Does anybody know If we will get Cutscenes again? Because I would like to See one again:D

(with Cutscenes I mean the small Video Clips we saw twice from June and Scotty)

[keen rose]

Skibidi toilet is real in this universe

[glossy coral]

just found out that Scotty was a contestant in the past

[rare osprey]

Nice, He was even a Greater Contestant

But we sadly dont know anything about June 😮

[frail fossil]

the lead level designer has said before that horizon is based off a real location, just hacked

so we might get the real-life counterpart as a variant

[rare osprey]

Yoo

Thats cool

[sturdy harness]

First and last time I open #📕┇lore

[rare osprey]

I think He Likes skibidi Toilet

[quartz sigil]

xd

[low sundial]

This is interesting, the background for the credits and the sticker Erasure Expert are same as the GUI for the Amiga 1000 except with the Amiga DOS replaced with MuCo DOS

[mild trellis]

There are a lot of nods to C64 and amiga in game. A lot of the devs got their start or grew up with these computers.

[solemn gulch]

I think that CNS stands for Central Nervous System and Ospuze overtakes your central nervous system and brainwashes the meatspacers into forever looping, by playing The Finals. Whoever the actual "baddies" are, they're distracting the players of "The Finals" with this Ospuze and central nervous system attack so they can take over the world maybe? (I'm not too familiar with the end goal or who the bad guys are.)

[gentle bronze]

What's the lore of the game

[bitter yarrow]

nothing theres no lore

[low sundial]

This is just an extremely bad case of group psychosis

There is no finals and there never was

[bitter yarrow]

+1

[astral barn]

what were we talking about?

where are we?

[bitter yarrow]

woah...

guys do you remember dreaming of something called... "the finals"?

[astral barn]

why did they call it that wher there was no "the begginings" or "the middles"?

[slender gulch]

maybe you guys can figure out hidden stuff from #1213500600117891122

i THINK it's more relevant from lore pov.

[mild trellis]

I kinda hit a dead end with CNS stuff. Only thing that was new was the console script that was shown on the S2 trailer and teaser. I posted a link to the file that someone typed out.

[pale siren]

I am in matchmaking for like 30mins niw but the game is not finding me any match its only for tournament and ranked tournament can someone help with this?

[mild trellis]

Put in #1201841543926005810

[pale siren]

I dont have permission

[mild trellis]

Try #bug-discussion but this deff ain’t the place or try #👂┇game-feedback hope you figure it out though.

[pale siren]

Thank you

[stuck verge]

I hope @edgy sparrow has an update on that image uploaded to their servers yesterday 🤔 it seemed suspicious...

[low sundial]

I don't think were supposed to tag rob

[pseudo cosmos]

he will answer when it pleases him ,)

[astral barn]

impart his wisdom when he sees fit

[noble robin]

give us scotty as tts

[white herald]

uh, game show basically

From what ive gathered, its a massive game show hosted and funded by these mega corps where people strap themselves in basically VR

Think of

"VR gladiators"

seems like theres more going on in the background of the shows and CNS wants to uncover that truth the the world

[celest escarp]

if they are strapped into vr then why does it show them running into the stage tho?

[hearty star]

so ive noticed that DXZ and IVADA brands are partnered in some way and that got me thinking if we already know something else about ivada so far which could help to know why they cooperate on clothing.

[stuck verge]

my bad for tagging him! i thought it was a bad idea, my bad

[glacial swan]

The new Scotty quote is funny

6 pack of spice go crazy

Ospuze**

[white herald]

intro thing

[still wren]

this game is seeming more and more like the Easter egg mania of ready player one

I bet there’s stuff we’re still missing

I’m gonna make a wild guess

THE FINALS is a distraction from the true reality, everyone lives to watch the finals because the world outside sucks BECAUSE these mega-corps have taken over the world and formed a massive oligarchy using technology and the deterioration of resources, and CNS is like the rebel group that wants to uncover everything

I bet in the future CNS will go away maybe for a couple of weeks or even an entire season like they were found out and ended but then they’ll come back

or one of the mega corporations will fall and go away and it’ll be unexplainable (CNS ended them, probably OSPUSE)

[gentle bronze]

Yeah

[gentle bronze]

Ohhh thank you for explaining

[alpine nexus]

only u

[dense wave]

Come to see lore, greeted with conspiracy, nice ✨

[amber orbit]

hi

[daring sequoia]

Has anyone found out anything new since release of new season?

[slim vector]

how many text u need to write to get lvl 1

[desert axle]

420

[fresh thorn]

There will be 12 seasons total if i am correctly understanding the file located in "discovery/content/movies/media/lore/vignette_screens_01 "

[daring sequoia]

Well...That's not really lore related but thanks

[fresh thorn]

the folder is named "lore"

[quiet roost]

30-40 someting

[carmine marsh]

what is lore

[mild trellis]

The best run down of everything confirmed so far: https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Lore

[forest osprey]

is anyone updating the cosmetics section of the wiki?

oh nvm, looks like more stuff was added.

[mild trellis]

Ask #📂┇the-finals-wiki

[carmine marsh]

xD

[trail wren]

literally updated earlier this morning

lemme just post it on that channel as well 😅

[calm terrace]

sorry for the message, trying to level up to join VC lmao

[mild trellis]

Yea there’s a #⚡┇the-finals-chat

[forest osprey]

Looks like I don't have access to that channel 😅

[mild trellis]

My bad but looks like Spear has confirmed they are up. 🫡

[mellow barn]

Isn’t the lore basically just we’re playing a vr game

[forest osprey]

yeah but I think the more interesting question is what the world is like outside of the simulation.

[twin tendon]

NOOOOOOOOOO NOT OSPUZE

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

@trail wren Sorry for the ping but I have a question, you're one of the main Wiki editors, right? Do you know where from where we got the names of the CEO's of Volpe and Holtow?

And how do we know that the guy wearing the CNS outfit in the trailer's we've gotten is called Ariad? (is it from the credits? Man I gotta watch those, I keep forgetting)

Ok just realized that the Mackenzie Lapis section was added, but we only got the last name from the S1 intro, no? How do we know their first name is Mackenzie?

Not critizing anything I'm just curious, wanna learn all I can!

[trail wren]

everything comes from in-game info (descriptions, lore vignettes, cosmetics, etc)

[twin tendon]

Even Ariad?

[trail wren]

that we don’t know, should be treated as theory so far

[twin tendon]

Bet

[trail wren]

that’s why you won’t see it explicitly mentioned

[twin tendon]

Yeah I thought so, just wanted to confirm

[trail wren]

also, please know i’m not a “main” editor. i do lead the design but anyone is welcome to contribute - we just help build and organize the Wiki

[mild trellis]

iirc Scotty in the launch intro mentions getting pre release software from Mackenzie I could be wrong on what intro but it was one of the very first intros after the betas.

[trail wren]

ye, it’s pinned - but the full name is also available in the description of certain cosmetics iirc, just like other CEOs

[twin tendon]

Ah that makes sense, I don't pay much attention to descriptions so I never noticed

I'll check when I get home!

Btw I'm checking out the cosmetics page in the wiki and the two items we have from the circuits are missing: The Ospuze glasses and gloves

Unless you're waiting till we see what all the Ospuze circuit items are

Oh and the body paint

[trail wren]

this is for #📂┇the-finals-wiki but to answer your question, yes i’m waiting for them to be available in Style page - no rush because we have a Circuits page anyway

[twin tendon]

Fair enough

[gloomy ether]

Just found a cornell box reference in SYS$HORIZON
Prob someone noticed already but still pretty cool

Shame cant post image here though

[limber rampart]

obvious fun fact but the Holtow QR code in game leads to the Holtow website if you erase the red dot eh

[gloomy ether]

damn there's a HOLTOW website?

devs are really into world building huh

[limber rampart]

yup!

[wild apex]

feel free to DM one of the regulars of this Channel with the images.
We can post them for you as long as you don't have the right level for it

Or upload it to https://imgur.com

[craggy plinth]

The story so far is very promising 👀👀

[gloomy ether]

That's nice
thanks for the information

[gloomy ether]

For sure

https://imgur.com/a/3cFeZQR

[wild apex]

thought i didnt share the link. oops

[gloomy ether]

Oh that somehow worked
I tried it before but was unable to do it

Anyway thanks

[slender gulch]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell_box

[gloomy ether]

[slender gulch]

more details can be found here,
#1185727960980922488 Holtow is probably at the center with CNS and everything.

They know something

[craggy plinth]

Interesting to see how it evolves during the next seasons 🙌💪

[trail wren]

ah so that’s what it is - i found it at the beginning of the season but wasn’t quite sure what it was referring to

[slender gulch]

Spear lore confirmed

[forest adder]

What’s up with the monoco 2014 QR code?

[pale scroll]

what do you mean? where is the QR code?

[quartz island]

Cornell Box reference be pretty sweet!

[rare osprey]

This one?

Its in the Skyway Stadium and The funny Thing is the Hotels Area is 312 MB. Thats almost nothing for a Virtual Game

And also its somehow funny as its Said as a Diorama

[trail wren]

these QRs lead to the game's website - it's been known for a long time

[glacial swan]

Yeah lol

[rare osprey]

Wow thats actually Cool

I Just Wonder, how the Heck did The Finals Game Programmer made the Game in So little mb? Thats very impressive

(In 2100)

[craggy plinth]

Interesting,🤔

[amber sierra]

lore

[rare osprey]

Yeah or?

[forest adder]

Yea, sorry for the mixup

[rare osprey]

No Problem 👍

[forest adder]

Thanks

The reason I said monoco was because that was the thing I remembered being next to it lol

[rare osprey]

Yeah I also sometimes Mix it up

[shell pendant]

The City in the back of horizon is connected to arc raiders . Look at the logo . Also if the finals logo is connected to arc raiders that explains season 2’s back round

Matrixxxxxxxxx

[solar shore]

The announcers are glitching

[mild trellis]

Yea since the start of S2

[solar shore]

When they glitch do they say anything I don’t hear anything when they glitch though maybe you did though

[mild trellis]

I just hear glitching.

Its part of the CNS hack

[solar shore]

Mmmmmm it would be cool

[glacial swan]

Part of hacks

[rapid gust]

so much cheating in S1 they made it canon in S2 XD

[gentle bronze]

Vaiiya (cyber security sponsor) was introduced this season to end CNS’s rule over the finals for season 3

Calling it now haha

[bronze tree]

there's lore?

[craggy plinth]

Lets see how it goes 😝

[misty jetty]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980876781680730182/1220635606288306276/IMG_20240322_003207_849.jpg?ex=660fa87e&is=65fd337e&hm=2c7870e042dc34fb8d6640a53cc63c45255ef6e582e59924a1910154d00fce47&

I was saw this at Official the finals tiktok

wth

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980876781680730182/1220635606942613534/Screenshot_2024-03-22-00-26-19-766_com.zhiliaoapp.musically.jpg?ex=660fa87f&is=65fd337f&hm=34bf1820948cfa5153cbda45850d598e6f031d6ee65f6cb1ceedaf7847ffcf13&

[granite birch]

∅

[wicked harness]

?

[granite birch]

just ∅

∅_∅

[wicked harness]

[craggy plinth]

Check out GoTTABEFR3SH on YT

[slender gulch]

#1219957574414106745

[ember ingot]

😐

[half roost]

feed me lore

[wicked maple]

Does anyone know the lore implications of Scotty drinking like ten cans of Ozpuze before a tournament? Is he cracked with or without it?

[real obsidian]

people can just be addicted to soda lmao

[real pendant]

Maybe, but it could be counted as a performance enhancer

Scotty disqualified?!

[maiden bough]

what is this? a bug or easter egg?

black cubei have a video or i might be late to the party i dont frequent this chat

[mild trellis]

Gateway the other end isn’t placed

[ocean flume]

Shower thoughts
Ariad is an arc raider (a raid, raida)
CNS used salvaged arc tech to hack into the finals trying to wake up contestants (Morpheus style)
Scotty and June are ai developed by the arc
S.lies refers to Scotty being a contestant and winner but not as human as we are led to believe

[balmy kraken]

Is it me or are the announcers sound different on the new map? I even heard some voice line call Scott as Mark and right before that talk about something messing with their minds.

[gloomy ether]

Not sure about mark thingy, but I'm sure announcer on the new map have some different lines.
Gotta record them next time

[wicked maple]

Scotty ain’t surviving the fraud allegations. We need proof of this man’s matches

[real pendant]

He's so cooked, it's over for Scotty. We're the ones walking away with the cash prize this time.

[gilded cliff]

More like frauddy

[forest adder]

Fraudulent Freddy

[storm bloom]

ive heard some lines were scotty says some things about power shift and june says "sounds like thats coming form experience scotty!" implying that when scotty was a contestent he played power shift, but power shift was relesed this season and scotty retired, sooo is it confirmed that scottys contestent background is basicaly fake??

[real pendant]

THE FINALS existed before the release of the game, just not irl. So, in theory, Frauddy has played every single mode to exist, that has existed, and that will exist.

[warm inlet]

the achievement for winning a match without dying is called "just like scotty" implying that scotty was a contestant

[ornate wharf]

Damn that wild

[real pendant]

I have this achievement, pretty cool.

[storm bloom]

👍

[wooden lantern]

either he was the best fucking contestant to ever be or he sat in a corner all game every game

[warm grove]

Scotty was a mesh shield heavy

[gentle bronze]

That's pretty cool

[bronze tree]

there's lore?

[pulsar jasper]

brainrot attention spans are canon in the finals

[proper pecan]

.

[rare osprey]

I mean probably He still Plays like?
(Here is a sign:)

[storm bloom]

Oh ya that could make sense!

[boreal vapor]

That’s about how I got the Just Like Scotty badge 😆

Sitting in the corner, that is…

[wooden lantern]

I got it by getting into a really easy power shift game lol, I’m pretty sure everyone on the enemy team left except for one dude

[boreal vapor]

Yeah, mine was similar. I joined mid-match and my team cashed their second cash box in about 30 seconds, so I did basically nothing in that game

[wooden lantern]

Pure skill

[edgy sparrow]

well…

[mild trellis]

Wait what? lol so mysterious 😂

[shell pendant]

Ouuweeee 👀👀

[gritty walrus]

every time I see arc raiders logo I will now know the entire syshorizon map is on the other side of the rainbow

[mild trellis]

@jolly marsh sorry to ping you but could you possibly remove that link that was just posted? It’s not appropriate at all. Thanks!

[jolly marsh]

Thanks for the ping

[trail wren]

what have you done

[forest adder]

Mysterious, I am very intrigued

[west ermine]

Not necessarily, I think the fact the timelines don't match up is only because they couldn't release the game mode at the time, or didn't have it in development. So lore wise the game mode has always been around, realistically it hasn't

[tacit turtle]

its a easter bug

[hallow sentinel]

fancy seeing rob here, also sorry i kind of went quiet. also i saw an arc raiders logo w/ the ppl init and they look very similar to the standard light build and medium

also i got snow blindness the other day on the ski hill, didnt wear my goggles. so now coolors are different, and the most noteable is that yellow is a mid-ish shade fo pink. oops ._.

im finding this sus,

[mortal maple]

how?

[hallow sentinel]

might be implying that life isnt a think anymore

thats what im seeing rn

[mortal maple]

ok

[forest adder]

Isn’t this the charm from the bp, also I haven’t noticed that description until you sent it, could possibly be referring to the fact that everything is completely virtual and that there is no need for the real world anymore

Or could be referring to hearts (lives) from retro games

Either one is a possibility tbh

[acoustic sentinel]

That's the retro heart charm, right? Because I feel like it's definitely a reference to retro games like Zelda rather life in the finals is just gone

[vernal steeple]

They’re not the same colours.

[vernal steeple]

Exactly. Haha

[bold fulcrum]

so have the glitch spots on the other maps done anything cool yet

[storm bloom]

oh ya that makes sense! thanks

Hi!

[mild trellis]

New CNS post on Reddit. Seems they are still in control 🤔

[storm bloom]

link pls

[mild trellis]

On the CNS Sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/cns/s/jMY3O15Rhb

[pulsar jasper]

does this have a lore implication?

[warm grove]

Maybe

[hollow tree]

Well if we now have to dig in Arc Raiders, might as-well send us a couple of emails with access codes 👀

[gusty nimbus]

I thought the same thing but it has a few more colors then the arc logo

[shell pendant]

Embark Rob is backing that theory up . Well just have to see .

[shell pendant]

Yeah it’s not a one to one reference , I doubt they would make it that obvious

[pulsar jasper]

lore

[trail wren]

there are many references/nods to ARC Raiders in the game - it can be just that for all we know

[teal plover]

Does scotty sound different because of the hack from cns?

[rare osprey]

Besides, do you know if we will get a video clip again?

I would like if we get a video clip again from Scotty and June:D

[storm bloom]

haha ya scotty and june face reveal.

[rare osprey]

That would be cool

[hallow sentinel]

he does, and when you go to the practice range, june sound like she doesn't have any emotion or similar

[rare osprey]

(Probably CNS are influencing them?)

[hallow sentinel]

if they are an ai of some sorts, like cane from TADC

[rare osprey]

I couldnt Image them to be AI but Its possible

[hallow sentinel]

yea

[low shale]

theyre pulling a tawog

[hallow sentinel]

wut

[low shale]

in the show the main VAs got new voice actors so they made it seem like the characters got hacked midshow

[hallow sentinel]

ohhh so thats why they sound off, makes a lot of sense now. the new va for june sounds like she has nearly no emotion in some cases

[low shale]

yeah, and scotty sounds much different, i chalked it up to the old one quit, but maybe it is influenced from cns

[hallow sentinel]

yes, but how can cns hack/change scotty? unless they are ai or some sort of radio distortion,

and cns is also very radio intelligent.

[silk narwhal]

Wait what?
The VAs changed? I thought the announcers were AI models.

I'm confused. Are the announcers real voice actors or AI models and what happened

[hallow sentinel]

in the lore maybe they are ai models, but in real life the va's changed for some reason.

[trail wren]

where was that confirmed?

[hallow sentinel]

oh shoot, sorry i wasnt paying attention ._. i meant i think they changed, oops

[silk narwhal]

When I search up "The FINALS Announcer VA" all that shows up is a bunch of people complaining about how the announcers are AI voices, am I missing something?

[mild trellis]

They are AI models fed by voices from real VAs. They did this to speed up time for new lines and other things. Iirc they updated the models recently and that’s why they sound different.

[hallow sentinel]

wait, so they are ai? but it sounds too good to be that!

[mild trellis]

Yes they are AI models that were fed data from paid VAs. Doesn’t mean Scotty and June in game are AI tho. Just they are AI voice models. Kinda hard to explain but hope that helps.

[hallow sentinel]

but if your paying VA's then do that insted!

paying someone anyways

[trail wren]

not hard to explain, this is all there is

[hallow sentinel]

alright, but i kind of whant to know why they do this, for the aspect of the game? ._.

[mild trellis]

They can generate more dialogue on the fly vs the standard way. Just a streamlined approach.

[silk narwhal]

Do you know the reason behind the change/update?

[pseudo coral]

I had a video I wanted to share in here that may be lore related, but I don't have the option to send videos 😦

[hallow sentinel]

wdym, send the link, it just doesnt have the embed

[pseudo coral]

It's saved onto my computer, but I'll try to upload it to their reddit and post the link to it here.

[hallow sentinel]

alright!

[pseudo coral]

Well apparently I don't have enough karma to post in the reddit yet lmfao

[mild trellis]

You can DM me the video and I can post it for you on this channel.

[pseudo coral]

That works!

I'm not sure if the video is lore or not, but the map glitch seems more intentional and I wanted to share it here

[mild trellis]

We’ll see what we’re working with and go from there.

Video by @pseudo coral showing some glitched letters

[pseudo coral]

ty! I was sitting there for a good minute, it popped up and went away and didn't come back. I've never seen that before

[hallow sentinel]

maybe we should ping rob?

[trail wren]

there’s no need to ping Rob tbh

[mild trellis]

Yea no need to do that. Not really pertinent to ping him.

[trail wren]

we sure this isn’t from the new gadgets? (gateway/grav cube)

[mild trellis]

That’s what I was thinking

[pseudo coral]

As far as I know there wasn't anyone around me. The two teams were fighting away from the cashout so it was basically a free win, hence why I was partially AFK. My teammates were off ahead of me too so I dont think it was grav or gateway

Maybe I'll mess around with the gateway in practice range and see if it gives a similar animation to that

[hallow sentinel]

can someone re-play the video to see what letters showed up? maybe its important

[mild trellis]

The gateway has the same x in it when inspected in the equipment menu.

[trail wren]

i would take it to #easter-eggs or one of their threads

but this just seems to be gadget related imo

[unique arch]

I just noticed the same stuff today with the gateways, pretty sure it's from that

[mild trellis]

Yea I think that’s the consensus. I only posted just to help him out since he couldn’t. I wasn’t really sure what I was looking at, but I think spear is right. Just a gateway or new gadget related.

[pseudo coral]

Yeah I'm messing with gateway in the practice range and that's correct. I'm assuming a light placed a gateway underneath me, thanks for helping me clear that up 🙂

It's not something I use so I never noticed that

[hybrid spade]

I don’t know if this is lore but I don’t know where else to put it lol. Our characters breathe, if you go into contestants/style and then zoom all the way in on their face you hear breathing lol. I don’t know why this is a thing if we in a video game💀

[pseudo coral]

I just zoomed into my characters face to try to see it and it looks like she's on the verge of tears lmfao

[hybrid spade]

Broooo 😭

[trail wren]

ye this feature has been around since S0

[hybrid spade]

Oh ok, I’m sure it doesn’t have any relevance I just found it and thought “I cant be the only one to have noticed?” I thought it was me at first, but I had to hold my breath and heard the loudest booger whistle coming from the game lol

[hallow sentinel]

why is the practice range still playing S1 music?

and what are the roses for?

[trail wren]

#easter-eggs related

[mild trellis]

No one knows for sure yet but there’s this thread for them: #1203859365610922036

[hallow sentinel]

alright!

[glad stratus]

Imma be honest and say that I did not expect Scotty and June to try and roll w CNS adding a new unregulated map to the gameshow

It does seem CNS is hosting the map instead of it being injected into the show's servers as there's noticable glitching in the announcers voices

[hallow sentinel]

remember they are co-hosts so i think they dont have acsess to it

[mild trellis]

The new map is sponsored by CNS

[glad stratus]

Sponsored? CNS is not a Sponsor but an Organization/Group

[hallow sentinel]

sponsored?

[trail wren]

it is sponsored by them regardless

[hallow sentinel]

alright

[mild trellis]

When SYS$HORIZON loads it says “Proudly sponsored by CNS”

[hallow sentinel]

makes sense

[glad stratus]

Fair enough

[peak prism]

I hope our next CNS map is MC Escher influenced. Imagine all those stairs

[tardy shard]

I feel like CNS are Retro Hackers trying to not only influence the finals but also adjust and make people see reality.

[silk narwhal]

note: when the finals boots up the first thing that launches is called Discovery.exe

not sure if this is tied to the lore or something but I remember something about Discovery Corp and THE FINALS

[rugged glen]

What if sys horizins is like a real city like monaco or soul but it got hacked by cns

[glad stratus]

Discovery was THE FINALS' codename during development at Embark before release

Game devs give their projects codenames so in case the files get leaked the specific project they're for isn't that clear

Valve does it a lot
(+ you can see a little text saying "discovery build" in the corner of your screen when playing)

[stray holly]

Can someone explain me the lore like really quick and easy i just want to know what the whole concept is like the whole THE FINALS lore, please try to make it an small conclusion❤️

[hallow sentinel]

uhh you will need to ask someone like @trail wren or whoever has been folowing up, i forgot mostly ._.

[regal remnant]

lmfaooo

[peak prism]

I think you mean canon. Cannon is an artillery device that shoots cannonballs.

[agile magnet]

anyone else notice that there are some confrontational lines between scotty and june at the beginning of tourney final rounds? or am i just insane and those are normal

[tiny tide]

The credits hold secret messages

[near sable]

But whats the sponsors lore

[trail wren]

just gonna leave this here
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Lore

[raw trench]

I didn't even imagine there would be some lore to this, why

[tame bough]

bruh

[gloomy ether]

I often got shot (nearly 122~144 damage) from unidentifiable source in shooting range, is this related to the lore or just some weird bugs?

It does not seems to be a reasonable action just for expanding lore tho

[mild trellis]

It’s not related in any way to the lore and if you can please make sure to report the bug.

[gloomy ether]

Okay, thanks.

[turbid burrow]

@prime spade

[vernal steeple]

It’s possible that “Scotty and June” are also just part of the source files CNS has access to then. The map is hacked, so maybe “they” are too.

[rare osprey]

I think not, when you play in the Finals a turnier and you play in the S$Shorizon map, Scotty says that he still dont know what to say about the "new"map.

But it could be possible

[plain scarab]

haha

[fringe fiber]

thank you very much i was wondering where i could do some reading or get a tldr

[rare osprey]

Remember me to another funny Line from Scotty:
"Last time I was so hyped, I drank 6 ospuzes"
(Or something likr that)

[wide birch]

awesome! ❤️

[runic rose]

Scotty: "I haven't been this hyped for a match since I drank 6 Ozpuzes™!"
June: "Scotty's deadly caffeine addiction aside, this is one exciting match!"

[rare osprey]

EXACTLY

I think Scotty is really addicted to ospuzes

[runic rose]

that's the thing

[rare osprey]

I think that should be added to The wiki side, as an fact about him

[pulsar jasper]

the witings on the wall scottee, witawawy.

[pulsar jasper]

i think it was more like "I haven't seen this much adrenaline in one match since I drank 6 cans of right before going on air!"

[slender gulch]

S SLIES

[bronze tree]

there's lore?

[vernal steeple]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Lore

[bronze tree]

that's some spicy stuff

[peak prism]

there's a gameshow, but why is there a game show, how is it so big, why is it sponsored by biotech and insurance companies?

[gentle bronze]

what am egg lore

[vernal steeple]

real questions, with no answers

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-maybe-some-day-someday-one-day-gif-26036494

[hoary mantle]

is there any information about örf because i just got his battlepass stuff and i love him

[trail wren]

the descriptions you see in the BP is all we have about them

[hoary mantle]

aww.

[west ermine]

Actually, June is an ai in game, Scotty however is human, since he was a former contestant

[mild trellis]

Scotty being a former contestant is just speculation. The various items and dialogue in-game doesn’t confirm he actually competed.

[west ermine]

I just really don't see why they would both be ai

[mild trellis]

I never said Scotty was AI I just said It’s speculation he competed. For all we know he could have created THE FINALS and there is no Mackenzie Lapis.

[west ermine]

The creator of a game show playing in that same game show? I don't think so

[mild trellis]

He’s a Commentator not a competitor, its only suggested he competed. And we know from an intro he’s close to the creator of the VR tech THE FINALS uses.

[west ermine]

Suggested still, it doesn't make sense for him to compete.

Or even be suggested to compete for that matter

[mild trellis]

And that’s why I don’t think he did.

But that’s a theory ive been working on for a while now.

Until there’s proof these are all just theories. So he could have competed but i really don’t think he did. With the whole S-Lies and seek the truth from CNS. Scotty knows more than he leads on.

[west ermine]

I'm sure he does know a lot more

[feral magnet]

Nope. and I don't sugges you do that.

[slender gulch]

source? june being AI.

[daring gazelle]

daaaang

[quaint crane]

Well,for starter her voice is glitching if you remember the conversation she had with Scotty before season 2 start i think that’s a pretty hard evidence about her being an Ai

[rare osprey]

I think I could imagine more that June created the Game, IF one of the two made the Game.
(She likes Data)
Scotty probably Just do maybe the business with other companies

[zenith crest]

yea scotty seems to be more business end, hes the one constantly name dropping companies like the "i havent been this hype since ive drank 6 pro juce" etc

[errant veldt]

Is Scotty's voice the one it's heard from the arena? Sometimes Scotty's comments and the announcements in the arena overlaps, that's why I'm asking

[hexed mango]

the voice in the arena is the announcer

[nocturne turtle]

Yes, as stephun already said, the announcer is called "The Announcer" and is not scotty. We don't know much about him yet

[plush flint]

scotty is a former contestant
we don't know much about june except her love of data

[lucid sierra]

What means CNS

[mild trellis]

We’re not entirely sure yet.but it’s suggested it’s meaning is close to central nervous system.

[slender gulch]

I think that is called jumping to conclusions.

[daring sable]

Wrong chat, sorry lore guys

[twin tendon]

Who knows, maybe you're onto something

[hallow sentinel]

Was that my suggestion? Can’t remember

[daring sable]

[mild trellis]

No this was suggested a while ago and got eyed from rob.

[hallow sentinel]

O, what did he say?

I wanted to mention, does the houses and lampposts look 1980s style to you?

And the bench in the practice area

Definitely not very modern looking,

[mild trellis]

This was the message that was eyed: #easter-eggs message

[mild trellis]

It’s prolly an aspect of the lore. I mean this whole season is a nod to the 80s.

[hallow sentinel]

Maybe the reason the software in the credits says 1982…

[mild trellis]

Yes and the other various things with 80s references.

[hallow sentinel]

Hmm, so why is the finals running software from the 80s and it’s 2100? Man I’m seeing a lot of stuff from the amazing digital circus

Also we still never found out what the roses are for,

Really hopes it opens a secret room, or cut scene

[worthy timber]

so the hackers are lore now?

[sturdy terrace]

In game Scotty says he drank a bunch of the in-universe energy drinks, so he implies that he competed

[uncut hollow]

Scotty is secretly double cheeked up

[unique dagger]

i would rail scotty and that's lore

[uncut hollow]

😭😭😭

[mild trellis]

Like I’ve said before this game was in dev/story boarded before that show even was thought of. It’s pure coincidence and not uncommon as a theme. I think we should not conclude anything is related to TADC.

[hallow sentinel]

i was just mentioning the similarities , but ur right ._.

[mild trellis]

Yea it just like the devs were getting into the scene in the 80s and 90s so I doubt they are gonna pull from recent (2023) material to reference.

[daring valve]

Hey, first time posting on this channel. Not sure if I'm posting in exactly the right place but
A) Is anyone cataloging Scotty getting particularly salty/confrontational with June during the final round of tournaments?

B) Has anyone generally dissected the decorations and sculptures in the CNS maps?

Mostly concerned about question B being more of an Easter egg question but anyways.

So far I've noticed that there's deer, apples, a hand grasping for what I can best describe as a halo, and a hanging skeleton (that seems to be marine in origin? Maybe? Reminds me of hanging whale or seal skeletons but I haven't been able to get a good look at them.)

Not sure exactly what the symbolism or purpose is with those. Specifically if it's meant to be a way to remind for CNS to try and remind the contestants of the real world or if it's meant to be more religious imagery that alludes to the general storyline/goals for CNS.

[hallow sentinel]

i dont think we have talked about the sys$horizon may yet, unless @trail wren has gotten ahead of all of us ._.

[mild trellis]

New map finding are here might have to level up to post: #1217764142572765245 and there is a thread here for CNS posts: #1213500600117891122

[daring valve]

Thank you :))

[trail wren]

[hallow sentinel]

found this on reddit

download and open with notepad, thats what i did

its a CNS log, of them uploading the current music

[trail wren]

that was part of the first CNS post

[hallow sentinel]

oh

did we find out what the most recent post was about on r/cns?

[mild trellis]

#1213500600117891122

[ivory grail]

Y'all, I found something within the game files of the files when I wanted to try and upload something to #🔥┇drip-check
So I went into TheFinals file, then the discovery file, leading into the content and then the movie file, before finding the media file (the file rabbit hole was annoying. I know), Which had a lore folder to 2 different vids, so... yeah, If you guys wanted to go in deeper, here we go

[hallow sentinel]

you got my attention there ._.

[ivory grail]

Both of them are around 21 seconds, so i dunno how much detail can be found there, but it can be analyzed

[hallow sentinel]

r u going to upload them?

[ivory grail]

I can't, I haven't gotten to the qualified role

[hallow sentinel]

i can, u can dm them to me

soo apparently i have the same files as @ivory grail so i will upload them here
also the path to the files is C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\The Finals\Discovery\Content\Movies\Media\Lore
( also make sure to see what drive your game is on )

[trail wren]

we don’t talk about game files here

[hallow sentinel]

oh no?

[ivory grail]

I dunno, I think I got into a false lead, sorry about that

[trail wren]

datamining ruins lore/EE

[hallow sentinel]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ._.

[trail wren]

you can look at them if you want, but we don’t openly discuss them here

[ivory grail]

AH

very very sorry about that, i was kinda very dumb

[trail wren]

no worries

[ivory grail]

okay

[trail wren]

it’s just an FYI for the future

[hallow sentinel]

sounds good!

aaand the videos are just the small little boot videos, not very important anyways i think

looks pre S2

[frigid folio]

Barrel lore?

[hallow sentinel]

idk

[frigid folio]

💥

That’s barrel lore
We figured it out guys

[rare osprey]

Except Gas Barrels!
They make a green 💥

[winter axle]

Compressed farts

[hallow sentinel]

lol

[mild badge]

go to the wiki bruh

[west ermine]

This guy gets it

[bronze tree]

there's lore?

[sullen hatch]

Reoccurring problem, he does that

[wild flare]

Can we get Nama Tama throwing it back part of official lore?

[rare osprey]

Good Evening

[stable thistle]

WHATS UP GIGGA CHADS

[eager holly]

can we have a second female announcer called July -thanks

[hallow sentinel]

Hey @trail wren

Wanted to ask if this music is related to the lore, it is also part of half life but that aside, it’s also made in 1982, same as the date in the program in the credits,

Here is link

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IU2wBKoDOzg

It’s midge urg - the man who sold the world

Hey uhh @gentle bronze

I don’t think this message that I replied to is very good.. just letting you know!

Thanks!

[mild trellis]

1982 was a long year and a lot of music came out then. It’s more related to gaming and computers. More so the Amiga, C64, and Atari.

[hallow sentinel]

Are you onto something with the consoles?

[mild trellis]

What do you mean? I’m saying just because it was made in 1982 doesn’t put in it canon/lore with THE FINALS.

[hallow sentinel]

True, but you said it was a time where consoles and gaming was first coming out/dominating that industry. Sound just like the finals, but in a different time frame and ways they are gaming

Also somthing about the song is telling me it’s related to the finals in some way, did you lessen to it yet?

[mild trellis]

Where did i say that? And yes I listened to it. I don’t think it’s related.It’s a song from 1982 that’s it. If the song was in the game then yes or the EEs clue were the song title maybe id bite this theory.

[hallow sentinel]

Oops that was the stupid iPhone auto correct

[mild trellis]

1982 was huge in the computer scene look into it and you’ll find a lot of connections to the game and stuff in the game.

Also a lot of the devs started out coding on C64s and Amigas

[trail wren]

thought by now it was general knowledge that the 80s are important in the lore

[hallow sentinel]

I thought it was passed off a few times

[mild trellis]

1980s yes but not this song specifically is all I’m saying.

[hallow sentinel]

Yes, we will never know for sure until we find somthing with connections to it

[trail wren]

again, there’s gonna be tons of references and nods - doesn’t mean it’s lore unless we get a clear confirmation

[hallow sentinel]

From rob?

[trail wren]

no, we just lore-wise (in-game descriptions, vignettes, trailers)

[hallow sentinel]

Oh

[trail wren]

lore doesn’t work like EE - we won’t be seeing Rob or any other narrative dev confirming stuff on Discord

[hallow sentinel]

Ohh ok

This is just like a really good story cracking class ._.

[rotund jewel]

I don't know if this has been addressed, but on ps there is a trophy called "just like Scotty" which is winning without dieing. This could hint that the commentators were contestants before

[rotund jewel]

Oh NVM what I said before just saw ur message

[hallow sentinel]

have we talked about the numbers 413? as the map pre-view images that show the timer ring always say 4:13. it has to be somthing

[trail wren]

pretty sure we discussed it back in the day over at #easter-eggs

[hallow sentinel]

ok, just wanted to clear it up

[mild trellis]

Pi

[hallow sentinel]

oh

[gray patrol]

Yup

[serene moon]

so... who are CNS?

[flat fulcrum]

Gg

[rare osprey]

A Group/Organisation/Guy (I honestly dont know)
Which hacked and still hacks the Finals

[pulsar jasper]

i wonder if the reason that CNS' motifs are "discover" and "imagine" because they're trying to get people off their headsets and "discover" reality and use their mind to imagine instead of being fed information like how things are looking irl

[slender temple]

Hi

[daring sable]

[warped vault]

a bit lost in discussion but anyone noticed how you can see the ospuze ad on sys$horizon? so like, maybe that one message on monaco "s lies" is somehow related to Sophia owner of the ospuze

[brisk lake]

CNS am i right

[vernal steeple]

@feral magnet ^

[mild trellis]

Thanks was just about to ping someone for that and the exploit video link.

[fringe pecan]

is there actually the finals lore?

[hallow sentinel]

yo @trail wren i saw your most recent video, and i must say its very good!

[vocal fable]

lol which exploit was it

just the practice range 1?

which one there are multipple

[mild trellis]

Yea I’m not going to sit and discuss something that isn’t to be discussed here.

[vocal fable]

lmao okay just curious which exploits are public atm

[mild trellis]

This is lore not how to exploit in the game.

[vocal fable]

true. we need an exploit channel

lol reported to the discord mod for that one

[mild trellis]

I think you should read the rules first. Specifically no.9

[vocal fable]

my b

didnt share details about any of the exploits i know tho so should be fine

like that server crash one exploit....

[fallow drift]

LOL

[mild trellis]

asking about them, And then talking about them. All falls under this.

[stray holly]

Bald man

[vocal fable]

ah shit my bad i forgot i wasnt supposed to say the exploit word. hopefully the discord mods have mercy on me 🙏

[hallow sentinel]

Haha we all do it man, I almost committed datamining

As I am also stupid

[stable spire]

lore

[gentle bronze]

we need our next event can we get a demolishion mode where the only useable class is medium and heavy with grendae launchers and the costume u got would be like ww2 type costume

[raven glade]

it's easter not d-day, but it would be interesting

[distant geyser]

Anyone think the ark raiders logo looks hella similar to the background in sys$Horizon

[ashen tapir]

cannot say that, but it feels like the lore of these 2 games might be colliding into each other

[nocturne turtle]

There are theories that the games may be connected but we have no concrete evidence for it yet

[ashen tapir]

yeap, mostly some theories, but they sound pretty convincing at some parts

[errant saffron]

I don't get it, how does the finals have lore like is it all theory or is there actual canon stuff

[nocturne turtle]

The new Goo Grenade skin description:
TAMA TRAUMA

Sure, Easter isn't Nama Tama's favorite season, but that doesn't mean you can't have a blast together

[nocturne turtle]

We get canon stuff from lore videos, descriptions, voicelines and stuff on maps

That's the current lore if you wanna know more https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Lore

[trail wren]

thanks. haven’t had the time to properly sit down and work on the other videos i have planned

[ashen tapir]

I wonder if Embark is planning to actually start producing Osp Uze drinks one day

[nocturne turtle]

Well there is at least 1 irl version of Ospuze https://x.com/geoffkeighley/status/1732795757454041345?s=20

Geoff Keighley (@geoffkeighley) on X

I don’t drink coffee, but def need an energy drink for the day ahead! #TheGameAwards

Twitter · Dec 7, 2023, 4:14 PM

[ashen tapir]

That's interesting. I suppose it is not a big market thing for now, just like exclusive items in some places like offices.

[gray falcon]

Question for the lore nerds: What does ospuze taste like?

[nocturne turtle]

We don't know for sure... but there's a good theory about a possible taste https://padlet.com/suitablyodd/ospuze-is-gamer-pee-pj8uskvnux4hik1g

[gray falcon]

Best conspiracy theory yet imo. I choose to believe it is like pineapple ginger ale.

[agile granite]

Wait there is lore?!?!

[mild trellis]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Lore

[wild apex]

Best theory 😄

[rare osprey]

(Besides when was the d-day?)

[raven glade]

https://www.army.mil/d-day/history.html

[west ermine]

That was an interesting trophy when I got it. That makes me wonder how many other trophy's contain possible lore..

Which that also is another thing that points to Scotty being a human. He clearly performed well as a contestant as the trophy saying winning without dying "just like Scotty". Him preforming well caught the eye of the Finals officials and when he retired they gave him a job as a commentator since he knew so much about the game

All I'm saying is that there's lots of signs pointing to Scotty being human and NO signs pointing to June being human

[west ermine]

I think it'd taate like Rockstar

[gusty nimbus]

Eggnog

Only because of Nama tama

[nocturne turtle]

I wonder if the Tama Trauma Nama Tama is still the same Nama Tama as in all the other videos.

[trail wren]

potentially. but there is more than one namatama
#easter-eggs message

[mild trellis]

Namatama lore sounds awesome honestly.

[peak prism]

Maybe we'll be fighting a Namatama Kaiju as a PvE glitched event

[weak hornet]

I LOVED YOUR VIDEO ON THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE FINALS

IM A FAN

[pulsar jasper]

guys nama tama spelt backwards is Amat Aman

let that sink in

[rare osprey]

Amat Aman is a arabian name!

It means "female Slave"

(Just besides)

Here is a link for the Wikipedia Side: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amat_(name_prefix)

[waxen socket]

That's scary how good all things coincide

[rare osprey]

Thanks

[cerulean bough]

💀😭

[hallow sentinel]

?

[molten bolt]

scotty and june are coming!!!!! 😱

[spring ruin]

okay

[flint turret]

has anyone thought that the gun skins and some cosmetics could be player made in the lore? kinda like how roblox works? it would explain why the stick skins, animal skins and any other unbranded skins exist. especially in the hyper capitalist future of the finals...

[hallow sentinel]

found that in a video, specifically the glitching loading screen

[mild trellis]

What Video?

[hallow sentinel]

its a glitching video i found, its part of the stuff from the screens in game, like the izult building and the tv charm

[mild trellis]

So like the ads?

[hallow sentinel]

no, not exactly. thats a different video

[mild trellis]

… what video? I’m not following you.

The ads show up on buildings so i thought it was that. Are there others in game I’m not seeing? Just want to check them out. It’s hard to even tell what you’re looking at in the picture with out any context to the material.

[hallow sentinel]

i think spear told me to not upload it in the past, cuz it can ruin lore. but i saw it all over the place today

[mild trellis]

Ya i had a feeling it was that. That doesn’t make it right my dude.

[hallow sentinel]

ok ._.

[mild trellis]

If you want to look at this stuff go for it. But i don’t think it’s a good idea to keep asking and uploading data mined stuff. Unless its been verified to not be leaked material.

[hallow sentinel]

i think this video is all over the place tho, like the tv keychain, the screens on the izult building today,

[mild trellis]

I have yet to see this video. And when i asked you where the video is, you said it’s the one that you were told not to upload. So you acknowledged it as being risky. So its either in the game or just in the game files.

[hallow sentinel]

It’s both

But I don’t think we’re getting very far with one frame of the video

[mild trellis]

….. so where in game then. Thats what I’m asking

[hallow sentinel]

I can dm you the file path later, kind of busy rn

[mild trellis]

No I’m good id rather just wait for the lore.

[hallow sentinel]

Alright

Plus I don’t think the devs put in unused videos into the game without a reason

I’ll catch up with you guys later, gtg

[mild trellis]

You know the rules dude…

[sand orbit]

I Dont know the rules JK

[floral umbra]

Have you guys figured out what any of this is yet?

[rare osprey]

Poor nama Tama

[nocturne turtle]

We have looked into it in the easter eggs channel but I don't think we found anything yet

[forest adder]

Nama trauma

[autumn python]

so i found something lore related and wanted to share a pic? am i not allowed, how do i post a pic?

[gentle bronze]

Become yellow.

[boreal vapor]

You need a higher Discord rank. Just post more chats until your name turns yellow.

[autumn python]

thanks. im doing that rn lol i feel werid chating just to get rank but hey lol