#lore-discussion-spoilers
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White may represent connections and relationships then
:0
Yeah
White is often seen as pure and innocent
Because it's such a clear color
white candles are usually used for triggering events in-game
The ancestors/skids relationships with the elders, the skids with other skids, etc
Yeah
Even stuff like the catapult in gw you have to have a companion to use
Blue means drained light/ death
^^
White candles seem to unlock / activate things
Both colors used by krill no less
Or connect things?
The candles
We use them for friendships, use them when "connecting" to Elders via temples, the Light gifts us white candles, etc
My entire body turned into a clock irl rn and I’m very scared
The white candles are used for social activities between skids, exchanges between spirits/skids and to revive dem elders so connections makes sense
Also when u use ur cape to fly or drained by the ooze / eden rock or the best place to notice it is in fire trial
Like it made ticking noises and now I’m scared bc I think someone is behind me
They seem to also be used as offerings to the Elders and probably the Light/Megan too
Based from Pointing spirit's murals
Hello
Heya Amio
Kinda like the flame, but its on a candle instead
Lopsided wrong channel-
I recommend talking to someone you trust or talking in a server you see as a safe space cuz it sounds like you're having an anxious moment
Its just their joints or bones
White candles are normally larger than red ones
I don’t know how to respond to that bc I have no friends irl lol
:(
Still- not like we're not willing to help in any way, but this isn't the server for that Wyx
Try #cozy-sky-discussion probs, they're more chill @dim raptor
Wyx try joining a vent server maybe? I recommend joining a smaller populated one tho cuz the bigger populated ones are often chaotic.
We do hope whatever you're going through right now passes though- it's not good on the soul for any of us to hear that one of our own's suffering
Yeah sorry, I have frequent anxious moments so I just wanted to get that off my chest
It's okay
I’ll be going now
Wyx take care of you.. we hope you'll feel better soon
Btw Let's get back to lore discussion guys?
were we on like- color psychology or smthn?
Yeah
Would me posting any pictures of a color psychology wheel or smth help?
Or a link idk
Are links allowed tho
So long as it relates to lore, go ahead
Here just in case y'all wanna observe the colors in sky and compare it to color psych
Well i wanna know about that.. po op.. anyone found that?
I was off for long time🌝
There's a lot of colors in sky anyways
😔 unsure as i gave up on it and the rock. (I dont even know what theories dropped for prophecy ssn as i went off too)
Why reika did that with us
The color blue in that chart is the complete opposite of the blue that shows as we get our light drained (die)
means freedom-
The color blue charts remind me of vault
freedom from... megan? 
When we become the bald child we seem to be looking for light too so i doubt 
Freedom from life sufferings
Btw... Any theory about that flower that pops out from ground while relieving this umbrella ts?
Is the flower tall and green by any chance?
If so, #other-tgc-games seemed to have discussed it was an Easter egg to the game Flower
Well... Easter egg in spirit memory kinda....
Yeah..
I have only played Flower once and I wish I remembered more about the game
So- both red and blue have negative connotations in the game, then? It kinda feels like two flavors of death
I never played the other games so i don't know. Should i relive the spirit and take pics?
Like one is imminent and one is immediate
K brb
one is spicy death and one is like tasting sprite as you lay dying
I think both colors could have both positive and negative meanings behind them when it comes to the game. Like, vault is full on blue. Vault is a very important place.
See ya Ginko
True- and heck even the red candles are the ones that we get wax from
Yes
most of the time
Yes
If you read on the black chart, it resembles darkness so well in the game
Yes
Idk what you mean
Yeah
Yes
Black for power- and the Elders have sovereign over their respective realms
Since that color chart didn't have white here's this
So what if its black
That the Elders have both in their schemes is sus
All of them- except notably Vault Elder and the lack of black in their color scheme
Y
Vault elder seems to be a scheme of grey and white
Its pretty dark cuz of the lighting but i think its the same white flower we see in oreo
You know I've been wondering why rain in the game hurts things
Especially skids
The rain doesn't seem to be polluted like the water in gw or anything. It's just rain.
This
But the rain is cold (shiver spirit). The element from water trial was used in forest and most likely they were doomed by the cold rain (if u remember water trial was frozen and killed us too)
The elements that they so greedily took was the reason of destruction in their realms
The thing that i want to know is. Where were the realms originally found at and who brought them in there if they were so powerful
Are the prophets even human if they were able to do that
The eLders made the elements i think that the elders were weak so thye needed somone to hold all four of them and that is the prince the prophets trained the spirits but they all failed not the prince so since the prenc is already OP the prince kinda wanted to go back to orbit with his mom megan i think so he used the elements in the powere diamond in eye of eden storm but it cost destruction and it all got corrupted
The eLders
That just sounds like ATLA
Sry i meant, where were the elements originally found at
Yes they were made
It doesn't make sense tho in my theory, they seem to be found naturally and brought inside the trials
Yes
The elements as in, fire/earth/water/air?
You can see it from the murals before entering the cave
They put in the trials so someone powerful can obtain them like us but i think that the kid in the middle of the prophecy mural is us? Well but im still going with the prince in the center
They are found in the places where the elders live in
But fire element seem to cost destruction in forest
Hm
Do you mean the elements used in the trials were specifically made for the trials or for the whole world? I don’t see how the elders could’ve created the elements themselves since the world is comprised of those elements and that world was existed prior to the arival of the elders
My signal
Stop using words like that my brain go brrr
Yeah that's what I've been trying to say
They also said beware the ancient trials
We only see the elders after the elements have been brought inside the trials.
Rather than the trials being to find a being to create and give all of these elements to, it is more likely that the trials were to find someone who could wield and overcome these elements
So was the elements trusted to the prophets?
Most likely, they were kind of the guards of those elements
More so the prophets foreseeing the harnessing of these elements and the eventual downfall caused by them
But they did give humans a chance to see if they can weild it (which so far have failed)
Yes that
Could it be that they were granted sovereign over the Elements?
And until someone conquers those trials, literally no one could use them?
What are the orbs in enchantment then? Just .... orbs?
Yes i guess
That’d mean granting them authority over all of the physical world 
Orbs inspired by the elements most likely
They're orbs with slight power
Then how about we interpret the elements as having some sort of sentience?
You can see from the ark mural that originally they were normal orbs but the vault elders inserted some elements in them
Yes
Hm because I remember this chat one time talking about fake orbs
Where they only yield before the ones that conquer them
Ye
y e s
Idk
like okay setting the scene for a minute- the Prophets are only meant to guard them, not use them
Yes
But they ended up using them , did They?
Not really
Prenc?
Yes
Prince^ gab
legit I can never tell if the Prophets themselves ever had any actual sovereign over the elements
Yes
What are the trials then
Like maybe they learned how to master the wisdoms and that gave them some sense of authority over time but they were never the masters
I think the prophets simply watched over the trials
But the ones who took the trials were humans. To obv they'd die
Trials,,,, what created them then
That we had to meditate to even get to the Trials kind of tells me that they didn't necessarily need the elements to make those- or maybe it was the elements themselves that made those trials
The prophets most likely to prevent anyone 'unworthy' from using them
Pertaining to their semi-sentience and their unwillingness to bow down to anyone they didn't consider worthy- the elements I mean
And the virtues you’d prove through each trial
The patience to channel water, the resilience to shape land, the uh
I think I'm late but I just realized that the scenes changed when you relieve the spirits in isle of dawn.
man you should have seen the chat when that first dropped a few days ago-
They changed it for the story to make sense
Lemme get this straight,,,,
The enchant spirits made orbs, the vault elder made them powerful, the elements
The prophets got entrusted the orbs, the prince used them andddddd.....?
ack. I should've been active. That must've been so fun.
Balance to navigate air, Fire to conquer fears?
Ark is unrelated to the elements in prophecy
Ye
Hm
Prophecy happened way earlier in civilization
Explain everything
Ark happened way after
I wouldn't say totally unrelated but yeah- the power that we see in Enchantment likely wasn't even close to what the elements could have done in Prophecy
The ideals of creating balance throughout the land, the courage to take action and carry the burden of the kingdom
I dont think i have the patience to explain everything.. 
I can't catch up with everything akk
Do you have my ark mural link or should I post it again?
I hab
Noice, what happened there was most likely years after. When elders were actually elders
But its possible the lights started raining from the Sky in Lightseekers is intentional or meant to happen... 
Hm
Raining lights?
wait have I just caught on to the plot of that Season now
nvm carry on-
Well, Enchantment mural implies that lights kinda rained from the sky, but that could just be the style of the Enchantment murals
megans embers
It always looked like that the Lightseekers and the Enchantment scholars collaborated on the formation of those orbs
at least that's what it looked like to me anyway idk
They kinda did
Man, I wish I hadn’t missed all these seasons
It could be possible so that in the far future when we come along, we would know exactly where the lights are meant to go and we dont make the same mistake?
I started playing again during Enchantment and fell off until some days ago
Lightseekers went to vault with the raw orbs, vault scholars added some sugar and spice and voila. Went to travel and the storm wrecked them, vault scholars became enchant ppl
That's some smart, accurate planning from Megan tho.
But this is the deity of Sky, so....
negligent bird god that she is
All your interpretations of Megan are like, the complete opposite of mine-
Giant formation of light waves up in the stars somewhere do be big braining
What's megan to you butterfly?
Hmm
A mother
With too many children, which includes Elders, Ancestors, Mantas, the fallen kids and us
Idk, maybe that's just because I came from a religious background-
But anyways-
She’s throwing out children left and right
“damn kids with their damn power diamonds”
I dunno if I can relate that much concerning religion anymore but theology is yummy
Darn young’ns with all that techno-gizmo nonsense
Hey, I just realized maybe Megan had too much favoritism with the Prince
Just a liiittle bit
Like, sent so many children to die just for that one child
I mean- that alone kind of makes me iffy about her quality of parenting-
But if he was the first pure sentient light-being than maybe it’s ‘cause he was more like Megan, the mother, than any of the other children
Or sent all those children to that child to stop the eden explosion that caused an imbalance to light-dark in sky world
I mean, I see that Prince was too vital since they trigger ascencion, but...
Depending on how far we can take that interpretation concerning the Prince it's either gonna look like a case of favoritism or a series of terrible choices-
maybe it’s both
haha
What are some theories on the cause for the explosion again?
who is Megan’s least favorite kid
Crabs
Though, it was probably done cause Prince was more of a direct child and incarnation of the Light and stuff
We’re made to be a constantly regenerating source of ligjt for le motha
Since they seem a little more seperate from the Light
limbo = time out
Mother bird didn’t like that the elders eere being disobedient
I think their limbo is similar to the dark place when we die in Eden or lose our light
https://youtu.be/pJHRCv5P4hc megan with the elders
But instead of a dark place, its just...
it's hilarious to me that she can put the two personifications of chaos and presumably the smartest and wisest person on the planet in time out simultaneaously
wonder if the elders hung out in limbo like “did you see that rock two feet away today”
That place of dark nothingness where the only thing to guide you is the light of a child mirrored to yourself (who I think is Prince)
isle elder casually hanging out with a horde of birds
I feel like they're incarnations or personifications of their respective constellations...
wait if lamed is shown with other elders in vault cutscenes
does that mean elders can communicate to each other while out of spacetime?
Could explain how they appear in Orbit and is "saved" when we get every stuff from every spirit of their constellation
So I managed to OOB into that orb you see if you look back from the Eden social place.
Oh, that reminds me; there was discussion over the symbol that can be seen on the head of the lute in the season poster and throughout valley: they look like the Vault constellation and thosr lanterns in Vault to me
Yeah its vault top
Ayyyyyy that thing-
And it is in fact, an orb.
Circles signify connection as well
saving it now for good measure then-
Because its cyclical
cyclical?
Cycle
I have a video of it to show the supporting structure-
Ah
Its stated in the concepts of Sky, and considering how circles are actually everywhere in Sky, just in plain sight, I think that concept is still the same
The light stone on your chest was originally a circle too
So the symbol for the King is separate from that ball in the back
Maybe?
But with circles in Sky, this is why I interpreted the King mural from Vault Cutscene differently from others
The circle in their hands doesn't represent the apple of Eden, or if it does, it just doesn't represent that
It represents their connection to the Light or to the people. Or their connection to the rebirth cycle
It could be all three too
Orbs of light amiright 
mb the king was trying to go back
It's a lute?.kinda thought it was a pipa or something along those lines
Anyway, uh... The kid who fell in Isle is the same one we hug right?
Pog
I thought the kid who fell in isle is just a sky kid
It doesn't look like one tbh-
why?
^^did you get this from beta?
Nope- all in live
I don't dive in beta, don't worry
The spirit stories updated the other day, roughly- @pulsar iris
The ones in Isle- both Pointing Pilgrim and Ushering Migrant
They're Candlemaker and Stargazer now
Pointing pilgrim's gone?
No
Oh good, that would be sad.
He's E N H A N C E D
I don't sleep
RANDOM PICTURE
WHY IS IT BROKEN AND WHY DOES IT FLOAT
ALSO,
ahem
I don't think the fallen kid in isle can be compared to us or to the light kid at the end of Eden
Cuz all skids unidentified look the same
Still, you don't see skids in cutscenes everyday
unless you trek to Eden or like relive the spirit every few hours lmao
As for the broken part I think it's part of the duality thing that Valley has going on
yes
Because there's always a broken half of a whole somewhere
May be the kid who fell is the kid with pony in next season.. 🤔
I'll stop you right there because the girl with the ponytail has a spirit orb and the kid that fell in Isle decidedly has no spirit orb
Kid acquires it when they grow up?
somehow I doubt that but alright
The kid that fell looks more like a skid than an Ancestor
Just that we don't see another sky kid in lore until now and a kid spirit in season...
ehm
Time stopper
HOW
ask megan-
So the ancient civilization found out how to manipulate time?

MEEEGGAAAANNN
Just because they're both kids doesn't really necessarily mean that they're the same person
True
Same reason why citadel sphere can float maybe
YEAH
And I'm not sure it's the Ancient Civilization's doing that the thing is floating like it's frozen in time
THE HECK
More like- the entire kingdom in general is just frozen in time in some capacity
sorry I'm screaming I'm just in a funny mood
Indeed
Just thinking out loud as we are seeing a not so usual kid being included in main story now.. Happened twice.. So just wondering about it
Might be a nod to the funny time physics of death and rebirth
Like maybe megan purposely froze everything in sky kingdom
Or maybe... just maybe, time stopping is one of the effect of eden diamond goes boom
Wasn't there a theory about how skids adventuring through the realms and stuff was all planned?
Because time kinda being frozen could have something to do with that imo
This is a good
Point
Or something
Like it makes sense
You know, maybe the diamond is sentient? Like, when it went boom it also have some kind of coping method, in order it wont get totally destroyed...
And that coping method is stopping time
This can possible too considering there are diamonds accross sky kingdom. And i believe these diamonds forming somekind of hivemind with eden diamond as the central control
Wild theory but hey its cool to imagine something like this

AAAA
So it's keeping the Kingdom in an indefinite stasis?
What could it be staving off I wonder-
Tbh I think coming up with as many questions and theories as possible is a good thing because we just get closer and closer to completely understanding the lore once we figure out how to put everything together like puzzle pieces
The only con is SCATTERED
THINGS GETS SCATTERED
BUT THAT'S F I N E
Makes it more fun to poke around the world if you ask me lmao
Y E A H
so long as I don't get krilled while I'm at it
SJAHHAAHHA
Thsi is why i love silent game like Sky, with no dialogue and vague lore

It feels like a new frontier that we're exploring by ourselves
People tends to prefer story with clear narration 
Then we meet each other at some point and just- have a road trip but like it's a long and loud debate
But story with vague narration have its own charm
YEEEAAAHHH THAT SOUNDS COOOOLLL
singing theories by the campfire-
SPOngebob campfire song song
Sky campfire song song 
oh no, are we going off-topic I see?
A
drink your water
yes ma'm

ehem, ANOTHER SHOT OF WATER EVERYONE
G A L L O N S
I-
Where were we? time stop ye-
yes
Can the Eden and power diamonds be considered a sort of darkness?
weird question but still
yEAh but what if the power diamonds are a miX of light anD dArk
I guess so-? Since the other name is darkstone and it can absorb light-
:0
Both forces could be acting against time then
And the power diamonds have the function to make things
l e v i t a t e
And stuff
oh ye
It seems all of valley has time stopped but the other realms don't??????
How they can make duck mask when there is no duck in sky-
Anyone have theories for the new season 
I mean- there MIGHT have been ducks once
There weren't any weasles in sky, they had a weasel mask
Lmao
I feel like a lot of animals in sky have been E X T I N C T
like how there might have been other such animals
You were right
sO there might have been ducks or duck like creatures
Oh yea next season we gonna get yeti
Which means it proved bear existence in the past
Yeti spirit
Ya know- so far when we've been talking about the ecology of Sky we've only taken light creatures and dark creatures into consideration
But what of those animals?
Wheeze
The ones that we're passing off as extinct?
Ye
“Where do the creatures come from in Sky?” “The creatures in Sky are connected to the light and born from the light (...) that’s their origin and where they come from (...) so you’ll actually see creatures emerging from the clouds and manifesting as the light sort of comes together. You can also think of it as almost like atoms or molecules, like as the light comes together new life is being born”
-Canon Lore Doc
I'm pulling up this quote just in case
Maybe lightness and darkness wasn't as necessary as it is now. Maybe once creatures were just like animals we have here on Earth, but light and dark became necessary and evolution started supporting animals made of light and dark- and power diamonds, since they're on krill and mantas
I had more to say but then that quote was posted aha
no no keep going I wanna hear-
Because if those things really existed before then surely we'd have seen more of it? And maybe Sky's just further into the future than we thought?
I think that evolution wise, light and dark became a necessity and then the "normal" creatures died out because yheres no use of them
Seems the animals may be a little artificial too since they have power diamonds in them
And krills also seem artificial with their spotlight mechanism
And helicopter noises
Are we diving into sci-fi territory here?
Wait if we are robots

Close- we kinda seem like golems
Y E Ah
oml are we little Wall-E's
Solar powered GOLEMS?????
we're technically doing janitor work too-
We are clay golems
I LOVE WALL E OM MY GOS
oh heck we're little Wall-E's
WE ARE SOLAR POWERED?!
Wall E is like my second favorite moviiiieeeee
TECHNICALLY???
well I mean even in RL we technically are
Also
You guys remember that Chinese terracotta armies? We are maybe like that but made of clays
We're powered by presumably starlight
or maybe just flames
flames born of starlight?
either way it's pretty solar
It's like 4AM heeeerreeee
B O I SNEEP
N AH
or at least tell me you just woke up-
omg I totally forgot time existed :000
Please sneep :'''''DDDD
I'm not eVen tiRed I'm hyper as heck I'm in one of those mooooods
where everything's funny
And I must scree in the void
that's... dangerous but okay
Since the crab are towards energy, but they will be flipped with deep honk. It makes me feel like that the crab drunk with the energy .
If I look at it this way, I'm sincerely scared but interested
What map is that?
'and here we have the crab in captivity- observe how it's eldritch form is meticulously crafted'
"But be careful kids, if you happen to see one outside this place, make sure you keep the distance and to call someone with more experience than you"
'or just scream. it'll give you time by knocking them over with the sheer anguish felt from your soul'
I’m sorry but, can we discuss about this spoiler, what do y’all think of this?
Yeti
i love him
Some people think that the spirit with the pink cape has an ant mask
Thank you, that's what I wanted explained
ajhahajh you actually scrolled up for that lmao
Waddyo?
Heya Lime
Gut day. What we be discussing today?
Well, it's not, a spoiler, it's a teaser. And I am very excited to see what it will bring.
dancing children and Valley lore hhhhhh
It:s basically the avatar
Yeah true tho
Avatar but not quite I guess? Because there are a few layers to it that I never got into
🤔
A village, makes me think, we may learn more about the daily lives.
or can do justice cuz I'm just recapping most of what I gathered form the convos about it
This also does help the theory, of valley actually being a cith or a village, contrary to some beliefs.
Town?
Or a town.
Valley's always been a heavily populated area so idk what other people might have thought
Or a commune
it did get that kind of concept in the art section
oh my god thats beautiful
plus this
I don't know about classes. I just like to be stable on the premise of valley being an actual city. 
But what strikes me as interesting.
thats cool :o
imagine they stick to the idea valley will be so big 
The architecture in teaser art is slightly different. I wonder if it will be so in game as well.
We at least know that it's somewhat close to the stadium
Having been in view like that
There are at least 2 points that can be used as entries without changing the original map designs much.
One is left side, by the first side, with the wind barrier, the other are the tunnel and 2 player door. (However I haven't researched, may be ts related)
Hey yeah maybe that tunnel might actually LEAD somewhere this time-
I like thebold tunnel of disappointment tho.
And it'd kind of remind me of how I used to travel in between locations
Like- in cramped spaces we had to go through alleyways to get anywhere
idk if I'm explaining this well but that was the case for lower class areas where I used to be from
Does make some sense.
It's actually kind of fun
fun
Welp, we don't know unless we see, when it comes. But I am happy thatbmy prediction on this season being based in valley was right. 
the door belonged to
gratitude spirit while the long tunnel belongs to
rhythm spirit if i wasnt mistaken
Then left side if the first slide in valley, unles they will ooen a new passage. 
i'd talk more about the location and such but it will be more #seasons-events-chat than #lore-discussion-spoilers
n
o
The teaser ? It’s probably a new season
Oh oke thanks
Hmm, i wonder where was Sassy in the end cutscene of Season of Gratitude
I would like to talk a bit more about some of these cosmetics..... they seem VERY familiar
The rabbit/fox/ WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT mask from I believe gratitude, fluffy cape from I believe rhythm, baggy pants from rhythm, and cape on left from prophecy, plus a scarf
It’s all a different color variation, yes, but they seem to be reusing their designs....
Could this season be based upon a dream of other seasons?
I suspect reuse is common among seasons simply because spirits need a whole outfit, not just what they sell
That said... I totally see moth hair and wanna know where that is going
the red cape looks familiar though
Hello lore moffs! I know you all arent discussing this right now, but are there any 3 clawed creatures in sky? Because on one of the butterfly jars in the prairie temple, there is a 3 clawed gouge in its side..
👀
https://dyshch.tumblr.com/post/635885307335786496/wait-theres-a-concept-teth-mask-on-the-temple
have this little bit of lore because I can't take screenshots
that means L I G H T J U I C E R
Does anybody know about the thing that Valley Elders holding?
where did you find that 👁
WHAT
WAT
In orbit sky
where in orbit?
Those symbols that most of them have look similar to Vault lanterns
tsadi do be looking like concept art and i love it
These r from beta back in the day i think🤔
yoo
you entered the shadow realm instead of orbit
Welcome to the land of inversion
i'll go to orbit today if i can to try by myself
Sanctuary island with no water
Omg
Super luminous jelly
jshsjs i think you should go report that bug
Ok but also anyone else kinda want that bug as a graphics setting?
Like whatever happened... That looks cool
Also those very def look like early designs for elders
What if it snowed in village
There's also no meteorite raining in Eden so I get some really clear shots for the budling
The door that has strong wind nearby so I can't go any further
I got this hint at the bottom of the screen saying something like 'The light beyond is calling' or something, I didn't have 20 wl at that point so what could it be?
You should probably report the bug.... It's really broken-
Well, when you reach Prairie you get told that you feel a pull to the mountain
So i guess it's the same thing again?
o h
I thought I was gonna get onto something for paying attention to those things haha
YO THAT BUG IS SO COOL
maybe? 
I wanna have it
But my phone isn't laggy enough for such a big
Or is it available on every device?hmm-
The purple colour highlights things up,which is great-
I think the photos are sort of drafts of the elders? The one looks like it's holding the same paddle- like object as the valley elders
These photos are precious omg-
My phone is iPhoneX and I played normally before … I think it's not the problem of my device 
Ohhhh
I guess all devices have it
I gotta get my phone back soon enough to experience it!
Maybe the game failed to load some resources
Wait is the game just like that atm
I guess so
I saw some posts and there are purple textures like that too
I think it's time to rush to eden to get a sight of the Bikini Bottom jellies before devs patch it hhhhh
DO IT-
I'M 2 TRADES AWAY FROM COMPLETING GW I MIGHT DO IT TOMORROW
You all get to do amazing things while I can't do anything at all 😭
I'm with u in that Seal lmaoooo
Yo I scrolled up more
Eden bugged as... hel—Eden??
Or is it a BTS Event up there?
Oh no I hope glitch isn't patched today
PLEASE
I wanna see but I have work :(
IT'S 12AM I CAN'T GO THERE RN EITHER SJHWND
Also
I've noticed that only beta Isle elder doesn't have the symbol ....
Isle elder seems to be special 
They don't appear in Eden's door either
Also their beard lookin EXTRA long
Love that for them
The Forest elder doesn’t seem to have it either
Isle Elder is mostly excluded or appears almost as a sidenote in the prophecy murals
Maybe it’s ‘cause Isle is minuscule
Vault is also less prevalent in the prophecy murals, maybe because Vault is a completely artificial realm
Where did vault elder even come from hhh,, they seem to already exist even before they fell despite Vault being artificial
aside from eden elder, it seems all the elders fell together
Vault elder existing along with the other elders doesn't seem to make much sense tho hhh,, since during the start, what would they govern over?
they could have been an overseer of all the realms until the king showed up
also, it’s been stated in the canon doc that the elders all knew each other before they fell, they likely lived & fell together
wait what if the eden door we light up was an attempt to seal off the storm?
I think it's just the entrance to the original eden castle
What if it's Isle's falt they fell
Like they were really interested in birds and mantas and ancestors cause they look cool
and what if prince’s roots starting in the isle made isle elder not wanting to seal something he cared about
angst plot starting
WAIT SORRY I THOUGHT OF ROOTS AS IN THE PART OF THE HAIR BECAUSE OF THE BEARD MESSAGE 😭
i have been summoned
I was like "Hair angst?????'
the royal family looks terrifying imo
They sure do hhhh
They’re so tall
less terrifying, more of a mess
Also,, speaking of height
Can yall imagine how big GW people could have been seeing as their spears/weapons are thrice the biggest height of skids

Big bois
hol up
i just got so many questions 
- why are some of the spirits capitalizing off of children
- who summoned the children
- why capes
They're STRONK
GW elder may seem like a big boi but in his time he was actually a shorty maybe
I thought those were flags haha
I was thinking about that too... They were giants
Nahhh,, mural says no
thats gw elder in the vault murals right??
maybe they were spirits?
why are they as tall as forest elder
whom did they fight though? giant walking sticks?
krill?
The lines in the depictions of the ancestors and elders were pointed out yesterday as maybe representing a lack of connection to Megan
you can see lines there
It's weird how different all-elder cutscene GW elder and GW cutscene GW elder looked like
Other than the lack of shiny heels in all-elder cutscene
Maybe against krills
I don't think it's krills
Something bigger? More numerous?
Yeah, i still consider them as organic parts of the ecosystem before they came out of control when the stars fell
Maybe something more bigger
Maybe their own kind,, seeing as there's two symbols in the shields in battlefield
I’ll be going for candle runs and to inspect a bunch of the murals and ruins today if anyone wants to come
The elders seem to need light instead of connection, they were already friends i'm pretty sure
ah sorry then
Ooh ye can we also discuss about the small mural in ark that seemed like the amcestors worshipping stars,, we're probably those stars
By the way they interact with us it seems we're below them, valley elders and forest elder particularity
Yeah tho.. which is weird
maybe because we’re short 
the use of elder and children also counts to it
It's also in the cave of valley
and it seems when the stars fall they were happy
So they've been anticipating for stars to fall...
Which valley cave are we talkin about uhhh the one near the rink??
in the intro each temple thing had a star
the one where you first walk in when starting the game
oh the cave in the isle?
acK sorry i got mixed up, i meant isle
Osejdksnd okay okay hhh gotchu
i was multitasking
and on the intro as well, the stars fell from the clouds as the hint says i summon you
Goodnight lore peepsssss
Why not? We could've been one of the stars that knows the way and our goal is to bring our kind back home hhhhh
Or smth
Ijdwjndnand,,, imma sneep lemme refill my brain juice hhh
ack ok, see you soon
See u guys around too ! Happy theorizing ~
happy sleep time :^
Since we were talking about the new isle spirit updates last night I took some pictures
They got Updated?! 
Ooo
boat
Yoyoyo imagine that is the king
wait this may be important
there's a mural in isle with boats
going into the stars
did they try and get back up but fail?
We should look at the other realms too. Maybe they get Updated too?
no its just two isle spirits
I just finally got the time to finish fire mural + lil extra bits abt how how skids came to be. And uhhh, I just want to say, on a realistic standpoint, that's basically a sa cri fice ritual
hMm
Damn I need to sleep
I must see this
why’d you write sacrifice so weirdly ?
Idk
Sacrifice and sacrificial are not banned words
I just posted something similar and it got deleted so I assumed its prob cuz of it
Or Discord is dumb and it was glitched
completely morbid topics are also not banned and are a frequent topic since we go and die every week
as long yall, yknow, use it in the right context
AhyeshowcouldIforgetthis
Hmmmm 
WaIT
First thing we see on the game intro
obviously if things starts getting out of hand with those words chances are itll be added to the filter lol
Is that a skid or the prince
... You know what Tsadi's fire thingies look like?
Portals
I am still confused
@inner basalt you seem new to lore chat, are you ?
It could still represent that there was unity between everything
Oooo lore moth 
It still bothers me that "united" includes no cross connections
Welcome to lore chat where we frequently break down everything there is about the innocent game that is Sky to completely ruined it with dark, sad and most importantly very messed up backstories abt the game!
Love it tho<3
angst angst angst angst
I like that part ^.^
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y e s?
Oh brick thats a nice new pfp 
this gets very confusing
Anyway, anyone else think the things below The General look like portals?
Angsty, which part is confusing?
I have read that but I am still confused on how they all died?
Or how the story goes
oh this gonna be long and dark
We don't have info on their death yet
we don’t know, the fun is that it’s up to you 
Ooo
As for the story... We have some rather wild theories... A number of which are incompatible with the last update mumbles in evil megabird
They dead because of diamond went boom
My headcanon is like that hehe
who dead?
So the kid in the mural is it a skykid or was it how the prince got crowned uh
spirits?
unknown
Yep
Spirits are deffinately dead
We are zombies
Elders are "outside time and space"
limbo
Even better
He might decided to crammed the four elements into one diamond
Boom
yes but skykids are sentient
Maybe they died trying to get back into the sky?
And then the eden elder is "not around anymore to be saved"
and spirits imo, are people who managed to reach the diamond
We as their player are sentient
hence the murals of boats into the stars
the elders are the people who helped give the king light to cram into the diamond
and they regret that
I actually think after the storm and the fall of the kingdom darkness spread from wasteland first, and I think it started in the shipwreck area 
Elders died but their spirits keep protecting the place from the reach of the power diamond
In my hypothesis
Elders already confirmed to not dead iirc
They just stuck in a place out of time and space
Also there is a king and prince that "sort of exists" but we have very limited info on them.
only concept images*
The king already confirmed to still exist in game
the king is confirmed to be in the lore though so theres that too
Yes
How do you think the king died?
also i watched the new cutscenes for follow me and point spirits and holy moly its amazing
Ngl stargazer new cutscene is a blast for lore lovers
And candlemaker's cutscene giving strong proof to the importance of candles for sky kingdom
I don't think he died
One of my theories? King and prince are the same, and was literally torn apart by the expectation that they leave the ancestors who raised them and helped them when they went out and fell to the ground
i mean the diamond was created by someone
knowing the nature of the game it sounds pretty convincing, but the concept art does show them as quite different??
it had to be
it wasnt there
at the beginning of everything
so i think it was all the elders and they feel bad about making the decision so they recruited innocent kids to bring them a flame again
squint suspiciously at the elders gee i wonder who made that diamond
well it must have been made when things weren't united then
The concept art shows a lot of things. A lot of which just isn't current lore, and a lot of which is likely to return as lore
Yes
the king mustve been in charge of the diamond
I mean
He is the king
imo it looks like the crystals in eden though it glows so it's pinkish
Can I post a wallspamz text real quick abt trials here?

:0
I wanna point out, in the final completed mural, it shows how either the skid or the prince (we are the imprints of prince in some stories but its not certain yet) came to be:
First ppl are sent into trials on flying boats into the sky. (Yes it does sounds like death to but it's probably not...yet). Whoever completed the trials will descended to orbit (mural shows Vault/Eden/orbit in the last scene). Basically they died, also the mural of them (gold kid) picking up/standing next to the end of each trial proves that the ones that are laying down are most likely dead.
And if you have ever do research in sacrificial events before (no Im not a psychopath plz ;-; ) this is very similar to one, if you strip away the magical parts of it. People are chosen to be "worthy". They go up against trials. The most worthy of all will descend to the upper life form: aka sacrifice
Have fun reading 
that DOES NOT CHANGE MY OPPINION
Ohoho now i know why this season really remind me of a sacrificial ceremony in my country folktale 
of the diamond
Though if shini boi is in the diamond
Hey I did made a very clear statement abt messed up backstories in Sky earlier oki

You did
Sky is secretly dark
Not really "secretly"
i think it made you alive
And yeah ascend to orbit = went to heaven/paradise = death
Heh, nice one
Like GW/Vault and Eden just scream d e a t h to me
i went to eden recently, lemme see my pictures
Vault is a literal graveyard
@normal sky dont foregt forest
why vault?
Forest is ehhhhh
You can die in forest if you didnt careful enough
We even ahve skeletons in forest
Also remember we actually ahve graveyard in vault too
@normal sky those are lanterns
You saw nothing
Looks like a human heart ngl
EXACTLY
Human heart shaped
it is the heart of the sky world
Hmm
It's 1am I can't function properly
@normal sky same-
*The diamond seems to shoot those crystal things?
they could be the 'seeds' for the crystals in eden
Rocks?
Maybe the source of the stones is that diamond
and it chips off?
it gets brighter the closer u go to it
Highly doubt that
and there is sand
Not chips off imo
Is not the storm?
It just summon rocks
Wh-
Remmebe rmy theory that 4 elements are used to make that diamond
Among those elements is earth
forbidden gummy
perhaps the elements are connected to the trials?
Maybe that element is the reason of tge rocks
Tbf, in Eden you can find statues before the final storm
eden diamond
Which can never be saved
Because eden diamond secretly went to beach before eliminating us
you can see butterflies going into the pipe in eden
if the crystals aren't red, perhaps the elders/spirits/whoever summoned sky kids gave those to protect them?
So pipes were connected to the diamond?
Nah
wait thats a bad pic
I dont think tahts the case-
...its the same blurry-
if you want to see it clearer iirc its pinned in #eden-spoilers
So I would like to think that the red crystal could be made of the souls/agony/death of those peeps. Never truly die to be gone from the hell that is Eden. Never seeing the light of Orbit to be reborn like every other and stuck there with only death and anger
maybe sand was the specs of diamonds that got weathered from le wind
also i took this picture
Noice
eden looks very weird from that angle
also
how come the clouds came to surround that bit?
is there any explantion to that at all or smth
explanation*
Because its storm clouds?
Yea
oh lol sry
skybox as well
Technically that would make eden the eye of the storm, which would mean it would be peaceful
But you get the catch
yeah but its roughly the same
Dang my phone is dying cyall later
maybe eden IS the eye, and the outside is more dangerous
and the vault was probably a recreation of that
Maybe thats why it called as eye of eden
but thats just imo
byee
I think focusing on how the Eye of Eden was created would be able to clear up a lot of things before focusing on how it would be stopped/ skykid's relevance
they stopped the king but they never stopped the eye
where is the king though?
they wouldn't kill him because they need to be balanced
in order to stop the eye
sorry if im being annoying/critical
My theory:
Power diamond brings destruction in the center of the kingdom of the past(Disney castle)
The destruction spreads not only destroying, but touching creatures and turning them into dark creatures.
The beam brings instability to the sky and the elders fall, (I think that the king is dead, but not sure), the first elder could control the winds in isle, the second could bring the light back to some light creatures, the third could stop the the constant rain at the forest, the twins could light the sky literally home run fire in the sky stopping the freezing darkness that had at valley, the next was the one that faced the dark creatures that covered most part of the golden wasteland, (by the way I think that a Krill made the fall of the forgotten ark), and the vault was where the power diamond was created and this elder controlled the earth and made that things float, the elders were unable to reach the power diamond in Eden and fix it and with time they became old enough to elder be a name, then we have the child of the prophecy, a small light born like the elders were, that fell from the sky and was found by the "come" spirit (see updated memory), this kid could pass through the four trials, so they thought that it could stop the power diamond.
The elders go with the kid through the Eden, but everyone "kinda dies", but this species doesn't die properly, they turned into statues for a time, just like the kid, eventually they go all the way post Eden and come back, but without the elders, everyone died while they were statues, for any reason, they decide to take the lights there in the sky to also try crossing the Eden, but no success and some of this kids didn't returned from statues by themselves, until a long time doing it again and again, someone discovered that you can force them to come back and these are the statues, and this process continues till now
that seems solid, but how do the elders control their realms, like why doesn't forest elder stop the rain?
The rain stops with the bells she teached how to build, after you light them up is not raining anymore
oh yeah sorry!
But there's a thing that makes me think
hm?
The Eden portal has the face of the elders, except from the elder of isle, maybe he didn't went or I don't know
I believe that they were getting too much old to keep doing that, that's why they agreed to let the child try
yeah
or they got weak and when the child helped them all they progressed into the eye
Maybe they age out of the sky, but don't age in the sky
They also could probably talk with the spirits of the ones who died at the beginning
maybe it was to make more light if they were below the sky without light
but why was it made? what potential use did it have?
@remote quarry
The objective of the power diamond is a total mystery to me, but I'm sure that wasn't to do what it does
i think it corrupted the king.. it's almost confirmed imo
Maybe the king of the lost civilization was trying to become like an elder
maybe the king was already corrupted and ordered the elders to construct it to power him more
No, I believe that the civilization was building diamonds way before the elders fall
maybe it connects to those little diamonds like vault elder and forest elder
have
..maybe power diamonds, and the king wanted his own?
Maybe this two elders decided to study and understand the diamonds to discover what went wrong with the power diamond
hmm..
i always thought of the eden diamond as a huge super battery
much like how the diamonds power up the boats
and open gates
The king's castle was the tallest castle build up at the top of the highest mountain, maybe it can relates to Babel's tower in someway
it must be charged with light in order for the diamond to activate
Or maybe the beam of the diamond was a way to connect the earth and the sky
and maybe king but its hard to see
looks more like the prophecy necklace
the prince is a necklace
the mental image that created
Do you wanna know a thing hard to explain?
sure
Capes
yes
capes have diamonds on them
I think it was mostly a design instead of a lore concept
Like, the elders don't fly in any memory, neither most of the spirits, but maybe the prophecy child created them and some spirits (that were alive), learned to use one too
beware the ||mods||
wait what
Skybot reacts to certain words.
beware the ||mods||
@pastel brook
Scary
did we do a bad

It's cause beware the prophecy
ah i see
they never fly though so maybe they tried to fly back up but couldn't
back above the sky*