lore-discussion-spoilers

[scenic siren]

I think the Prince and the King are one person despite the name difference. Prince may changed name when become king. In my country no king use real name when rule, they pick a new name when become king

[supple sierra]

ohh kk

there are different opinions on this so I just wanna know what ppl think

Also I wanna talk about the 2nd quest event Memory

||This time there are 2 things in the void:
-stone krebs
-stone plants

it's completely different from the jellyfish memory (1st quest) where they had transluscent appearances & light shining from them.

So maybe there are cirtain conditions to make the crabs & plants appear petrified (like the ones in this season's void realm that we could access through the shard) though I haven't thought of the answer to it yet||

here's a picture of the 2nd quest void

[nova meadow]

That's a really cool concept
I got nothing else to say- I really like it, absolutely love this theory

[eager pagoda]

It could be that light creatures would appear more translucent compared to dark creatures due to the dark corrupting them like ||the statues in PNR||?

[next terrace]

I have a feeling its to do with darkness. So the plants and crabs as we have already seen (annoyingly attacking us) are dark and so woo symbolism stone dark creb tings yk? And the jellyfish are like the king jellyfish in orbit soo LIGHT. Idk just thinking.

[outer hare]

bobbit ^^

[floral grove]

For a lore-driven season, the ancient memories we're getting are very vague. I get that they're trying to make it so it's up to interpretation but there isn't much to draw from the memories we're getting right now. I hope that changes in the later quests

[slate saffron]

It's very interesting to me how all the darkness spores (or whatever those flying things are) are descending downwards from a specific point onto the crabs below. Perhaps it's supposed to be how the darkness plants spread from realm to realm (something that would have been hastened by the storm and it's violent winds if thth is indeed to case) or expand on how the crabs were corrupted by the storm viva irritate from said spores, maybe both? regardless, I gotta say It's kinda frustrating how vague these memories are so far. For me atleast it's infinitely harder to gleam context from this kinda stuff like this without some kind of spirit reacting alongside us. I do however look forward to future memories to see if that translucent thing is specific to the jellyfish or not

[next sierra]

China

[slate saffron]

It sure is a place

[visual lichen]

I ha e noticed that there are at least 3 different dark plants, the 1st is at the gyser, black spike balls that look like sea urchins, then you get the normal plant with pods (I assume are seed sacks) in the center, and then seed pods that stand on thier own. Like most plants, the pods probably pop and then the seeds get carried on the wind, which let's face it, is very powerful and flows right through the whole of sky and it's kingdoms. Seeing as the "dark creatures" as we call them, ooze and drip darkness wherever they are. So it is very likely that, the plants that we see were infected by the dark creatures, and are just a small resemblance of the plant life that use to exist, or weeds which I think is more plausible. So I personally think that, darkness itself was spread by wind and radiation like contamination. Every where you see Krill, is dead and desolate, and most of the places crabs are found have barely any plant life.
As for the season and I could be very wrong, when we die we go into the eye of eden, that's the black place with the mirror like floor or water, whatever there is a reflection. There you meet a memory of yourself, once you hug it, you regain your form. This season spirit is more of a memory than a spirit, and it hold memories of all creatures, probably before they got corrupted, but seeing as we can not kill them, nor do they seem to die, the creatures are unable to claim thier own memories of what they are supposed to be. So every time a new mission is released, we see a different creatures memory, or Edens memory of them.

When we destroy the shards those memories accend back to eden, and we can see that because we can go to that space in Edens jem too. It's possible that we will see other creatures in the events, like jellyfish, and Krill, as we have already recovered crab, manta, and now plants. I am hoping that the devs will give us some insight to the cataclysm and the events that lead to Edens downfall with this season. But I do remember them saying that this season isn't like the previous seasons at all. So may e there is no actual story behind this season, and just simply for show. I do wish that they added new creatures though, nothing screems boring when you get an npc that is the same as an older npc, just with small minor changes, like the crabs. However it is interesting to think, that like my previous theory of the gem in the Krill mouth being stuck, the red shards and gems grow off the crabs backs. But the question remains, what were the crabs originally, as where in the trailer for sky, they looked like stone bells, or statues that were animated with dark energy.

[steady cave]

A random and unlikely theory I have but what if the Season of Shattering's lights are spirits but they got transformed into what they currently are right now? Like the area they're in is called the 'Void of Shattering'

Here's my reason on why I think they're spirits just trapped as lights:
When us sky kids go to the ||No point of Return zone in Eden,|| and when we sacrifice all our wings we turn into stones but if we were going there with a friend, we turn into this light and follow them until they also get petrified. And once they do we get sent in this void until we have to go to this other light kid and hug them to be reborn.

What if those lights were spirits venturing in ||eden|| then died by turning into stone but since they're spirits and aren't skids like us, their bodies are stuck just petrified and stuck in the shattering void?-
Also I don't know if there's any beta spoiler videos of Shattering's last quest but what if like in "Season of the Little Prince" we gotta go to ||eden|| and free the spirits so they won't be trapped as shiny floaty orbs anynore.

This is most likely gonna be untrue the moment SoS ends but it was my way of thinking how the cosmetics are gonna come back as TS once the season is gone--

[unreal shuttle]

What if the spirits at void are what the prince/king would look like I mean they is the more probably to be trapped in the void what if that are their memories

[cobalt palm]

Just a thought,
Is this memory an indication of the crab lifecycle?
#vault-of-socials message

Are those flying spores baby crabs?

[deep osprey]

Maybe they were lured into a trap that made them into darkness like how Circus Baby lured Elizabeth with Ice Cream but that's just me

[spice turret]

Question:

The game says dark dragon is hungry for our lights.

Why is it looking for light?

Is it trying to get a Winged light?

Why isn't the dragon consuming the light?

May be they are cursed with inability to consume light

Will consuming light make them light creatures ?

May be they are trying to escape darkness 👀

[frigid tinsel]

Darkness, as a force, seems to consume and hold onto light. It’s unclear why darkness goes after light in the first place — yesterday it was pointed out that darkness is the absence of light and, like the color black, it absorbs all light. Darkness in game may be a reflection of that.

For living beings corrupted by darkness, as are dark dragons, this may manifest to them as a hunger. So it attacks beings of light — mantas, skykids — in hopes of satiating its hunger. Yet it seems no matter how much light it eats, it’s hunger remains.

[dry ivy]

Hey, do think Sky crabs are similar to hermit crabs?

That could explain why they have bells on their back. They look for things to put on their back out of instinct, like maybe for protection

(I’m not sure about the red stuff/darkness on them. Maybe they used to use the element of darkness in a way that was ecologically healthy. It could be like the “glue” that affixes whatever thing they like onto their backs)

You know, I’m also curious about the spores. I usually think of them as alien, a species born from darkness, but they most likely, like the crabs and krill, are infected too. They probably used to be part of the ecological cycle or something, a normal part of nature that did no harm, until darkness messed it up (or more like, the Spirits messing with darkness. I still think Darkness is not an “evil” element. It’s just now out of whack due to meddling)

[dry ivy]

This is exactly how I think of it too now!

[frigid tinsel]

Worth noting that krill are confirmed corrupted creatures

[dry ivy]

Yes! I remember this! Dang I wonder when that time will come

[visual lichen]

That is a very interesting concept. It is possible, that the crabs did and do what all crabs do, eat gunk and junk to clean the environment, that would explain why they are so many in corrupted area, and why all crabs drip darkness. It is possible however that they were first attempts to make artificial light, but instead of an artificial star, they got crabs. Hehehe. But I like your theory, that they use stuff as defensive tactics, that could also explain why the new crabs have red shards on their backs.

[dry ivy]

Yeah! I am starting to think they were definitely part of the ecosystem and cycle of Light or something in nature. Perhaps Darkness was an element embedded in their biology, but again, it was not harmful and in harmony with the cycle of life

I was also thinking of maybe the Spirits had perhaps made them too in a way. Perhaps they did create them, or merely took them out of nature and put bells on them (maybe to lure mantas and light creatures and catch them to be used for power diamonds!)

[dry ivy]

Haha, man, imagine trained crabs. They’d work like cats or sheepdogs or something

[dry ivy]

Ah, I meant to say thank you, by the way. Glad you like the theory hehe

[dry ivy]

...the more I look at these photos, the more I hope those red things aren’t eyes now that I think of it, they sure look like arachnids here

[visual lichen]

I still say, they the Krill looked a lot like the whale at the bottom of abyss. Physiologically both Krill and whale have long body's covered in a sort of shell, and are very similar to each other, they could be a subspecies that got contaminated. There are no other creatures in sky that resemble either, and no the super long manta in sanctuary is way too different and doesn't have legs. The only difference between Krill and the whale, is body size and the shape of the head. People have told me that it can't be true, cause whale has so many eyes, and more legs, I say no the scale of the body is a huge difference sure, but thier body structures are way to similar. the way I see it is Krill are the same as the whale. The only reason that you don't see thier eyes, is the same reason why you can't see a skids eyes when they loose thier light. So like my previous statement with the gem being stuck in the Krill mouth, has more plausibility now that I think about it. They are in a perpetual state of decay, so they hunt light, to eas the pain and attempt to gain some sort of ease from the pain they are in.

[dry ivy]

Woah! I could see that! Krill sure do remind me of a skeleton, basically, the skeleton of a creature flying around lol

Boy I guess tho they are basically like whale zombies

Tho I always thought the big abyss whale was corrupted by darkness, which explains its red eyes. It isn’t skeletal...tho perhaps it hadn’t reached that stage yet?

(Tho wait—is that abyss creature a whale—a huge one—or a different creature entirely???)

[visual lichen]

I am working on a Krill theory to prove thier origin. We do t see murals of the Krill till wastelands ark, but at treasure reef is a mural of the whale. They captured it and locked it away in a vault under the facility that we call the abyss. I believe that the mural of the whale came before the mural of Krill by the ark. I still stick to my original story that the Krill were the babies of the whale, that the spirits experimented on. When the experiment with ligh went wrong the babies mutated into a sub species.

[dry ivy]

Oh woah!! That’s an interesting idea!!

Explains why would krill are hanging around it in the same room it’s found

[hushed steeple]

Cough cough prophecy mural

Which I guess could be a prophecy

[dry ivy]

Intertwining too how the big whale had a eating problem like the krill do

All those little fishies

Tho it’s surprising the fish didn’t get...digested idk

[hushed steeple]

Im just saying we have never seem the mantatees and krill in the same room together

[visual lichen]

It has a head of a normal whale and a body of a Krill, cellular mutation would explain why the Krill have sort of horns on thier heads, but take those horns away and you looking at the same thing as whale. Despite the eyes being red, I wouldn't clasify it as a dark creature. Mainly because it doesn't attack or seem to even notice us. There is a possibility that the spirits tried to weponize the whale genome, into smaller and faster creatures. If the spirits were an industrial race like thier ruins and murals predict, then it is possible that weaponizing light creatures took a dark turn.
We've all watched terminator right? Imagine light was the internet, and corruption was sky net. Same principle. Hahahaha

[hushed steeple]

Oh I guess my previous thing is useless without the triva of Jenova’s Q&A. He said they are indeed corrupted light creatures but what they look like before is yet to be seen.

[dry ivy]

Wait, what are the manatees? Are they your term for the whales or??

I have a hard time keeping the creatures straight sometimes

[hushed steeple]

Its just a nickname for the yet unnamed switch trailer creature. Could also be light dragons. Or seals.

[visual lichen]

We do see them together at broken temple, first area of golden wasteland. As you entire you'll see a manta, and the Krill attacks it, like a bird of prey.

[dry ivy]

Oh no, the krill are the robots that turned against their masters, eh?

Makes sense!

[neon marlin]

hi so i was interested in knowing if theres like a site or uh idk message with the most important part of the lore summarized? i dont remember much of it

[dry ivy]

Oh, the thing pulling the wagon, yeah?

Such cute names. I like the term manatees the best

[visual lichen]

Hehehe not quite, more like an experiment that went wrong from the start. Instead of slowly spreading it hit all at once.

[hushed steeple]

There is not one stable one. Everyone likes to make their own charts and most of them lack something others think is important. Personally I would go for King and Megabird being the two things that you cannot learn in game.

[dry ivy]

Ah okay okay. I know what mantas are. I got a bit confused tho since I think of them as manta RAYS and not mantaTEES

[hushed steeple]

The void and the pity room actually similar?

[rapid arrow]

We need manatees in sky

[hushed steeple]

Play on words since some say every flappy flap light thing is a manta and I think its fat like a manatee.

[waxen quest]

They are literally the same thing, at least visually

[dry ivy]

I think there’s a big lore doc! But IDK who has it (anybody?? I can’t find it in the pins)

But check out the pinned message sin this channel for some great resources

[neon marlin]

oooh ok i thought there was like one big story most people agreed on but seems not!
also tysm pancake pie!

[visual lichen]

I still say the devs, nedd to take everything's fans come up with and incorporate it into the lore of sky, or fill in the blanks on thier own. The problem is they finished the game before having a story, so until the devs fix that, we will constantly debate lore of sky. I dont mind, I enjoy these chats hehehe

[dry ivy]

Ohh I see haha! The whales strike me as looking like manatees a bit too with their fat oblong bodies

[hushed steeple]

Theres the concept art timeline which has a lot of elements we still think is true to game and it can be found here https://preview.redd.it/30j8jhecfae61.jpg?auto=webp&s=640347c793b27fefca6be29d349ffabbd233e1b8

[dry ivy]

No problem!

There are many aspects most of us agree with on here, like basic plot points and ideas, but the game leaves it ambiguous enough for us to interpret it in many different ways a lot hehe

[hushed steeple]

Though personally I think creatures vs ancestors and the ark got gone gone

Servers down so ima hang out in here theorizing sum' lore stuff ig

[neon marlin]

what are the most popular theories megabird sounds insanely cool ngl
aaah i love seeing concept art

[visual lichen]

All we do know for fact is the murals, but like cave paintings, they can be interpreted differently by some. As for the rest of the lore, it's us sky fans who come up with theories to try and fill in the blanks. Not saying any one person is correct or incorrect. So all I'll say it's up to you as an indevidual, to decide what you want to pretend is the truth.

[dry ivy]

And I think that’s part of the fun hehe

Tho I do appreciate some concrete answers. Throw us some bones, TGC! /j

[visual lichen]

Hehehe I agree 100%

[hushed steeple]

Lets see....kamconian timeline.... Rebirth cycle is constantly going, a fallen star did the trials, became king, and was a pretty good little fella untill darkstone corrupted him and he started using light to make cool door openers. Eventually he got his new fake body destroyed in eden because it exploded, and his soul was reused by megabird to make a new race of skykids who are a mix of all races that came before to free the spirits stuck on land and become the new inhabitants

[visual lichen]

Hahahahaga that is funny, and cool at the same time.

[waxen quest]

Where did the idea about kings soul being reused come from?

[neon marlin]

cant believe cool door openers were the downfall of everything/j

[dry ivy]

I think the WL. It is theorized they are pieces of the prince (unless the concept art mentioned that?)

At least we know it used to be planned that the skid would save the king similar to the Void we go into after we die to hug a light kid

[visual lichen]

Has anyone finished all the trials? And if yes could you post all the murals from cave of prophecy, on the group? It would be a big help, as I havnt finished the second trial hahahaha. Damn blocks move to much and I'm using android to play sky so movement in high tense situations become a problem. hehehe

[soft timber]

appears Ngl the Season of Shattering made me be like "We f-ed up oooooo and badly too" in the sense that yea, skids did nothing wrong and in fact tried to help the best they can, but at the same time they are cleaning up the mess the adults made

[hushed steeple]

A bunch of insinuations about “king is still in the game but not in the way you think”

[dry ivy]

Boy I keep forgetting about the trials. I’ve only done two of them

I think there was a mural collection on here already?

[waxen quest]

Pretty much anything you can find in game (and not only there) is here somewhere

[hushed steeple]

I only got the final one

Don’t forget to light each mural after you get them.

[visual lichen]

Hahaha that disproves my theory of Krill being whale babies, as in this mural the Krill is blue, and not orange.

[dry ivy]

I know this is canon but a part of me wants to rebel against this because it sounds so sad

Though maybe it isn’t as nihilistic as it sounds. Either, again, he is basically us Skids in a sense, or...he passed on to a higher plane of existence or something

I mean someone mentions here it sounds like he can’t be saved “even in death”, but maybe this just means he is dead, but HAPPILY dead. He doesn’t need to be saved because he is in the afterlife (Eden) forever now, and is happy.

As in, he has no need to reincarnate now.

[hushed steeple]

Megabird is a deity of light; most likely to be the creator of sky kids and everything as of made of light. If we base the kingdom of sky as being a representation of earth, we can assume that Megabird picks up deceased humans' spirits and brings them into this universe, and at first it started in orbit until something led to the stars falling - aka the start of the story. Over time the ancestors made the representative earth their new home and discovered new technologies, knowledge and maybe ruins (presumably if Journey is connected to Sky) and here's a small kindof useless fact - the concept art forest elder's mask is on the forest temple's door
Which could be meaning that the elders we see as of now HAD PREDECESSORS!

[visual lichen]

But I still believe they are a sub species of whale.

[rapid arrow]

Maybe the king is the WL we collect?

[dry ivy]

Huh! I never thought about Earth being connected to Sky like this. Interesting

[waxen quest]

My headcanon is that king merged with Eden itself, and is too corrupt to be saved, basically becoming the very concept of darkness

[hushed steeple]

Nah it's the kid you hug in the eden pity room

[neon marlin]

thats so cool man i love this game
also the predecessor thing sounds very interesting, opens up a ton of other possibilities

[hushed steeple]

Nah hes our reincarnation buddy friend in my eyes. Redemption story.

[dry ivy]

It just seems so sad though. It feels so...I dunno. Sky comes off as very optimistic and positive to me, and I know it is a good lesson that not everyone can be saved, and I know the King did a lot of bad things, but he strikes me as someone who wasn’t purely evil. If that’s true, it feels a bit unfair.

[hushed steeple]

Why I still feel something king will happen in game sometime. That and a few other reasons im not allowed to talk about.
NOT BETA I KNOW JACK ABOUT BETA

[dry ivy]

I like that idea too

[waxen quest]

Sky also teaches us that death is inevitable. Just like every realm and elder in the game represents a stage of life, Eden represents death, and so the King is dead as well

[dry ivy]

But how though? I’d love this, but the devs were clear on how he can’t be saved

As in there’s nothing left to save. Like he’s not irredeemable, but he is simply...gone. Reduced to atoms.

As in, like, does he even exist in the afterlife???

If he does not, that is way too horrifying of an idea

[dry ivy]

That’s true. Then I can still find solace in the idea that he is “alive” in the afterlife so to speak

I mean, the Spirits that go there are shown as not reincarnating like skids do, so I guess they and he are in another place beyond our knowledge

[visual lichen]

Seeing that it's the cave of prophecy, maybe it's not talking about an old king, but about each sky kid, who will eventually bring peace to the kingdom of sky. I've heard people taking about the skids being chosen ones. I could be wrong. Why won't the devs ease our quriostity.

[hushed steeple]

Actually, not really. Their home was in the stars (aka orbit) you sent them home, and they then become stars just like your predecessors (aka the skid statues in eden and/or wl) that you saved. and think about how you summon the elders in orbit! You see a small spirit-like flame and it reveals the elder

[hushed steeple]

I thought that too. But you do kinda see him lighting up eden beam. And eden beam is already lit for skykids.

[hushed steeple]

True I just want them to find a way for him :/

[waxen quest]

They won't because the lore is left vague intentionally

[visual lichen]

Yea but that is stupid. Sorry I say it like that, no disrespect to the devs, but more murals are a must. Or at least quests or missions to unlock more like cave of prophecy.

[rapid arrow]

I feel like the king might be the WL we collect.
This is just my theory
Since the giant the power diamond was once like an actual power diamond, it like all power diamonds it needed light to work, however with a power diamond that big, no amount of light creatures could be used to power the diamond. So the king wanting to see their kingdom thrive sacrificed their own light to power the diamond. Eventually the diamonds light got more corrupt and in turn so did the king.
When the diamond exploded/imploded, the light that the king put in escaped and landed all over the realms forming the WL we know collect

[floral grove]

Vague but with enough clues for us to make theories out of them instead of blind hypotheses

[visual lichen]

Well if the king did blow up, then that would make sence. We collecting bits and pieces of the chosen one hahahaha

[hushed steeple]

It's even in the game tips: "uncover the history of sky" they want us to figure it out. We have everything, it's just one thing that's missing that could connect all the dots together, that could solve the mistake, who didn't listen to, who even said something that made them not listen, what even was the mistake, what caused the war in wasteland - EVERYTHING could be solved through a single thing. A detail we may have missed? Or something TGC is planning for us to see later?

[old bear]

Nah I think the king reincarnated into little pieces so in that way we’re all the king of Eden.
It all makes sense if you look

[visual lichen]

Split personality

[neon marlin]

i thought the king was the glowing child we hug at the end of eden
if not then what could that child be

[floral grove]

I heard somebody suggest that Sky Kids themsleves are fragments of the King because of the friend constellation, which is comprised of Sky Kids, form the silhouette of the King's logo

[waxen quest]

I hope not. I've seen some skids do questionable things kids shouldn't do, but if that's what the king wants to do...

[visual lichen]

But does anyone else feel tired of running from Krill? Why are there no weapons or defensive spells. I had a Krill shield, don't know were to get more.

[old bear]

Exactly

I mean the whole game is not only about life and death, but also rebirth, the king definitely died but he must have rebirthed into something

[hushed steeple]

Krills are like this, actually. They were made to be ran away from, to hide from it, the spells only appeared in DoM as far as i know, but just remember that they're like those guardians in journey and certainly that TGC wants us to remain peaceful - and being able to find a peaceful solution to anything

[rapid arrow]

Adding on to my own theory here

As we collect WL even though us and our skykids might not feel any different the spirits we interact with probably see us in some light as the king. Since in my theory WL is apart of the king.

Does that make sense?

[waxen quest]

||there are masks that protect you from darkness in beta I think. But you have to buy Elder hair first and you have to recharge them at temples when they are decharged||

[floral grove]

Interesting insight. One evidence that they see Sky Kids as the King in some way is from their mannerisms. Spirits and especially the Elders all bow down and show respect when interacting with Sky Kids

Sorry for the clunky writing, I'm sleepy rn

[hushed steeple]

Basically

[dry ivy]

I see what you mean. That might mean they lose their conscious selves in returning to star form, but I like to think they are sentient. 🙂 To each his own, I guess

[waxen quest]

Should've placed a little grave under moth or something

[hushed steeple]

the idea is that they are kindathesamethough

[dry ivy]

Ahhh I like this idea. This is why they said there isn’t anything left of him to save. He became someone or something else

(Like perhaps us skids)

[hushed steeple]

Here goes another server error tried to find something in-game

Its my favorite idea but its only as canon as canon can get in sky. Which is not very.

[dry ivy]

Sorta Canon. Scanon.

[hushed steeple]

Its kamon

[modest gale]

hi lorechat, i was wondering if i could ask a question - does anyone know/have any idea about the floating darkness plants? like, their origin, details or technicalities about what species they're supposed to be? or if there has been discussions about this in the past, where could i read about it? thank you in advance!

[keen shore]

AFAIK we haven’t talked about them yet! They remind me a lot of butterflies, I like to imagine they’re a corrupted form of them. They seem to be how the darkness plants seed and spread. my guess is that when they land in a source of light, they sprout

[dry ivy]

I suggested a little theory about them earlier today: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[frigid tinsel]

From below, in the frozen memory, they look like butterflies

[keen shore]

It’s also really interesting to me that we haven’t seen them outside of shards. I mean, if they’re just darkness plant seeds, shouldn’t we have seen them already? Since shards are heavily associated with memory, it kinda implies that they might have been widespread at some point but aren’t anymore. Like they’ve all already sprouted

[rapid arrow]

Maybe they were the seedling to the dark tree plants we see?

[heavy river]

有没有兑换码啊

[keen shore]

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking! Like one of these seedlings land inside a source of light, like a pot of butterflies or near a sleeping light creature, and that’s when they sprout. The size depends on how much light fuel they’d have, I’d guess

[modest gale]

yeah, that's what i've been wondering, too! like out of all the creatures in the void so far, this is the only one that doesn't have a "real world" equivalent, so to speak, so i wonder if they have an "uncorrupted" form or if they are seedlings like you say

[frigid tinsel]

the seedlings remind me of dandelion seeds in how they float but not in how they spin. "helicopter" seeds remind me of their movement

[hushed steeple]

Or they came from deep in eden, considering they only appear with shards - I'm guessing it was how the darkness spread around like a pest. And don't forget that shards contains a light rock with a memory inside, so that kinda confirms that maybe it's another attempt to engulf the kingdom in complete darkness and stop the children of light of cleansing the darkness, whilst bringing more seeds of dark plants

[rapid arrow]

That’s what I was thinking

[modest gale]

that being said however their shape is kind of reminiscent of butterflies/mantas.... (i'm trying to figure out their flight mechanism lmao)

[keen shore]

they definitely remind me more of maple tree seeds! Probably what they’re based off of. Although, due to Sky’s generally low gravity, they might be able to have the helicopter seed shape and still function like dandelion seeds

The explanation could literally be just that they started appearing now because darkness plants finally got developed more, especially considering that the butterfly change happened recently, but I’d love to find a lore explanation as well

[rapid arrow]

The butterfly change? I’m not aware of that

[frigid tinsel]

in the latest update, butterflies now come out of melted darkness plants

[keen shore]

Yeah, it’s really neat!

[frigid tinsel]

I wonder if it's canonically a retcon or a recent development in-universe?

[keen shore]

Them coming from deep in Eden is another possible explanation, although I don’t know if it’s a conscious attempt by any entity, which is what you seem to be implying. Without any current explanation as to why Eden is suddenly erupting, it seems to just be random— or that it was a ticking time bomb and finally went off

[rapid arrow]

Maybe Eden is taking its last breaths we don’t know how long edens been like this. Or at least the power diamond is taking its last breaths

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea I have to note butterflies have come out of dark plants before. The only example I can tell you guys about is the Wasteland top dark plants with the staircase going up to them.

[keen shore]

There is also the butterflies in the Underforest pots, but those seem to be more us releasing butterflies trapped underneath, rather than inside the darkness plants

[heavy river]

Do you have any Chinese to send me a redemption code for the test suit?

[frigid tinsel]

#questions-and-help would be better suited for what you're after

[heavy river]

What is this?

[frigid tinsel]

that's a link to the channel where you can get help.
you're currently in the lore channel where we talk about the game's lore

[heavy river]

Okay, thank you

[frigid tinsel]

there's a thought going around that the aftermaths of the initial Eden calamity was much like the shard eruptions we have now but died down overtime. granted we don't know how long it's been since the initial Eden calamity and skykids first arriving, but if the shard eruptions were present during the ancestor era, then Eden has calmed down. it's a wonder what triggered it again

[rancid ibex]

🤤

[visual lichen]

Nope, I accended a few spirits at once so I'm not sure, where I got it. But it was a spell, just like the glow spell and recharge spell. I havnt been able to find more, but the two I did have work well. The Krill still knocks you hard but you don't use light. I noticed that if I use the spell, my skid drops and oozes darkness like the crabs and Krill do.

[rancid ibex]

en

[visual lichen]

That would explain why we find crabs in prairie. Hehehe

[frigid tinsel]

only in Sanctuary

[rapid arrow]

Ooo, I do remember in the sightseers memory ( ) that the child makes like a crashing motion

[visual lichen]

Sanctuary is part of prairie

[rancid ibex]

[frigid tinsel]

if that's what they're seeing, I don't think they'd be so nonchalant about it

[keen shore]

I like to imagine the kid is imitating a racing manta <3

[frosty shale]

ok so, quick question abt the lore.. what is that floating castle bit in the sky when your flying up into space? just a little curious on what you guys think it is or how it got there.. (totally not trying to draw restored eden, who that.)

[frigid tinsel]

thought to be a part of Eden castle that got blasted into the atmosphere due to the Eden calamity

[frosty shale]

well thats neat and simple, thanks.

[frigid tinsel]

This may interest you

[hushed steeple]

Where is that from?
(Also hello)

[subtle kindle]

Isnt it something to do with the ancestors to? I found something where the dark creatures where attacking, nd so because its not safe, the built a knew home up in space where you ascend. (Well something along those lines)

[frigid tinsel]

This IGN video on Sky: Light Awaits: https://youtu.be/i5hCV1CnSxc?t=229

[frosty shale]

woahhh

that looks pretty.

[frigid tinsel]

That's from Tom Zhao's concept timeline, which has elements that may no longer be canon. The ancestors vs. creatures war seems to be one of those things that was discarded during development

[subtle kindle]

Ahh i see! Im going to checkout the link you sent, seems interesting

[dry ivy]

The castle has Kingdom Hearts vibes, doesn’t it

[frigid tinsel]

I haven’t played Kingdom Hearts so idk

[dry ivy]

Yeah I’ve barely played it, but I do remember this castle having a big focus in it. Kinda reminds me of its design haha

[dry ivy]

the castle that never was

What a name

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I sure hope we can get into that castle someday

[keen shore]

season of breaking and entering Eden castle

[frigid tinsel]

season of trespassing

[foggy lotus]

season of crime

[hushed steeple]

That castle gives hope Eden was planned to be futuristic.

[dry ivy]

In what way? Like having more of a sleek sci fi look or RPG magic-tech?

[dry ivy]

Replace moomin valley with Sky

[hushed steeple]

Flying car-ish hover dealies heck yeah

[dry ivy]

Woah wow!!

I guess the devs wanted to show how far the Ancestors had gotten, society wise

[hushed steeple]

Oh no thats just headcanon. All we got is big ol pipes :/

[dry ivy]

Oh haha I see.

Hooray for pipes.

But hey, we have the power stone door openers and stuff haha....

[hushed steeple]

Kings first order for the light draining new super tech: cooler door openers.

But also floating islands are a thing, so Sky inhabitants could have been like, "Hey, why not floating castles?"

[visual lichen]

The castle from kingdom hearts is the same castle in every Disney film intro. In kingdom hearts for ps2 you go into the castle and beyond. But I've never seen that castle before.

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea Flying boats

[gleaming glacier]

Shoutout to floating castles, gotta be one of my favorite genders

[graceful oasis]

Ahh yes, Object genders.

[nimble ingot]

Skybot: Identifies as a rock that eats peas.

[graceful oasis]

Skybot needs to be thrown into the trash, again.

[gleaming glacier]

The constant bullying of skybot is hilarious

[pastel brook]

[visual lichen]

OK, so for those who say Krill don't have eyes..... They do ha e eyes and they have 4 to be precise, besides the horrid and creepy bull horns on its head, it could possibly be as I said before a sub-species as it is identical almost to every extent, the body multiple eyes and two devilish horns. So either they are related, or the devs just got lazy and recycled the form of whale into Krill or visa versa. Attached is a Pic of whale and the Krill statue in the limbo space the season spirit is in.

Whales horns are beneath its head and, Krill has horns above its head. I see it the same as the difference between a dog and a wolf, both are k-9 but still very different breeds.

[graceful oasis]

Ahh yes Gerald the giant Krill

[visual lichen]

Everyone calls it whale, but sure. "I dub thee Gerald the whale/Krill thing" #Mommy Krill

[scenic siren]

Am I the only one who call it "dark eel" ? :D

[graceful oasis]

Gerald is a leviathan big boy that needs love, hugs and more water.

[scenic siren]

If the big creature at Sanctuary is "whale", what is this one in Forest cave called?

[rigid mural]

<- These emotes call it a fish !

[frosty gale]

i thought it looked like a slug

[nimble ingot]

some sources call the sanctuary creature an elder manta.

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

Here, maybe this can help you!

[graceful oasis]

They are both whales, but differently class of whale…. The Fish whale and Bird whale….(This is mostly a joke, I don’t honestly know)

[sharp lichen]

I theorize this too, it would be interesting because the Sky Kids have inherited the world of Sky and have basically conquered it

[keen shore]

I call it the “elder creature” but if I had to guess, based on our admittedly limited knowledge of elder creatures, it’s an elder manta

[graceful oasis]

Elder creatures on light side(Mostly Manta and Big fish, maybe birds)
•Big
Has gold features on tips
Flying like it no big deal
Old

[keen shore]

I mean in terms of actual biology and behavior. I have a lot of cool headcanons about them, sure, but no way to prove them

[graceful oasis]

I wonder how TGC comes up with these designs… like they use real life animals as references… but what is with the yellow on so many of the animals….

[keen shore]

White and yellow are both really common color choices for designs themed around light! It’s all about the color associations

[graceful oasis]

Mostly with the sun and how light is quite blinking in some ways….

[scenic siren]

I called it "slug" too :D

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea How close have you guys been to Gerald?

[neon marlin]

Tysm! Where can i find the next parts to this document?

[nimble ingot]

For some, close enough to get eaten by the fella.

[rigid mural]

so about that one TS hint

[frigid tinsel]

Talk about first impression lol

[uncut pond]

This is peak crab whisperer

[hushed steeple]

Hey Lorechat! Can you help me revise my theory? #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[glacial shadow]

yo why is it called a krill

The game calls it a dark dragon right? so where did the term “krill” come from just curious :0

[rigid mural]

it looks like a shrimp and it kills you

[rigid mural]

whoah i love your cape

[frigid tinsel]

Thanks I stole it from the president

[rigid mural]

eyyyyy

[nimble ingot]

We may not know if the megabird has bestowed the lights to king themselves, or the king found out how to harness the lights that would have naturally travelled across the realms.
Second, the disasters may have a point with how the realms have degrated.
And last, there is a good chance that each spirit met their demise in one way or another.

It is a good theory. 👍

[hushed steeple]

thx

[sharp lichen]

Uhhhhhhhh don’t worry about it

[frigid tinsel]

You should prob put something in the doc that says part 2 is in development or remove references to the other parts until you can link to them, that way you don’t get asked constantly

[hushed steeple]

any clues where I could continue?

[rigid mural]

reversed the front half, kinda looks like a krill with the round eyes and "nose" above them

i could do a cleaner edit but i dont wanna pull out photoshop

[frigid tinsel]

Huh, it’s like they’re twisted

[rigid mural]

uncorrupted dragon

[frigid tinsel]

Beast

[glacial shadow]

omg u right it is a danger shrimp :0

[keen shore]

I’m still giggling at how all of us immediately guessed the person they were afraid of was crab whisperer, without knowing who the ts was yet

[frigid tinsel]

Couldn’t figure out what other seasonal spirit invokes the kind of fear Crab Whisperer does

[keen shore]

The only other spirits I could think of for that was scaredy cadet being a little scared of marching adventurer

[rigid mural]

I'd go scavenge at low tide through the mud with Crab Whisperer

[keen shore]

Is this before or after you bit them , I need to work on the timeline here

[languid island]

I'm standing on the hermit cave and sun is on my left. Which direction is Eden?

[frigid tinsel]

[keen shore]

is this a riddle or are you asking for directions, I cannot remember…. Maybe to your right?

[languid island]

No it's neither, it's like has lore figured out Sky geography

[keen shore]

Absolutely not, hope this helps

[frigid tinsel]

Eden hisses as the cardinal directions. Where Eden appears around the maps is inconsistent. Sky geography has killed many theorists.

[uncut pond]

It's Dark Souls 2 all over again

[rigid mural]

made a map a while ago of valley, but the game update that added eden to most maps has made it outdated

[languid island]

Oh did it add Eden? Can't see it at least. You could show the map?

[keen shore]

Sky geography is one of those things that is far too much effort to put in for something that doesn’t really matter anyways

[rigid mural]

Did you update your game ? From the Hermit Valley, you should be able to see Eden on the right of the sun.

[frigid tinsel]

So

[keen shore]

NO

[languid island]

Yes, oh I see it now! Ty!

[rigid mural]

here
(lucil is an old oc)

[keen shore]

are we going to start bullying cannoneer for drowning now.

[uncut pond]

I have seen many games where giant buildings change their position drastically the moment you cross a door, so eventually I learned to not care about videogame geography

[languid island]

It's to the front now

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve seen this map multiple times but only just now noticing the smiley

[keen shore]

isn’t that the ciandles you light to start the race??

[rigid mural]

thats not meant to be one i could show you, it's a half-buried platform !

[keen shore]

RIP lucil, I don’t know what happened to them so I am assuming they died

[frigid tinsel]

Was Lucil the one who went after the bird when the wind paths went dark?

[rigid mural]

i dropped that set of OCs bc i wasnt inspired by them anymore
and yeah alasdair !!

[keen shore]

lucil ate a gummy worm and died

[rigid mural]

wait no, Ava their moth went after the bird, Lucil sent messages to get help finding them

[frigid tinsel]

I thought I got the names right for once

[rigid mural]

fun fact, Lucil has dots on their mask that look like freckles that I then gave to Basil, and Ava has the chimesmith hairstyle like Abalone :]

[frigid tinsel]

Borrowing traits from old OCs for the new

[rigid mural]

i'm still really proud of my bird post idea ngl, figured that the flow of light being predictable would mean that you could send something along the way

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, like messenger pigeons

[rigid mural]

messenger pigeons without the home (but still homing on folks)

[frigid tinsel]

Or maybe like putting a message in a bottle upstream for someone to read downstream

[rigid mural]

YEAH EXACTLY

should i pull out my text wall explaining it from the POV of Lucil ?

[graceful oasis]

Yes

[rigid mural]

Thanks for enabling me
"The Journey" is what they called a whole trip from the ends of the kingdom to Eden.

Birds in particular are no stranger to this, and in fact could have been seen as guides in the past. After all, the Isle of Dawn’s Elder spirit is often depicted with them…

However, we cannot train any random bird to become a messenger; the ancestors tamed a particular specie that can be recognised by its yellow head and tail tip (as opposed to the more common pure white ones).

We call them Light Birds, and feral populations of them are uncommon but not unheard of.

Their specificity is that they seem to know where to find their flock with a single call no matter how far they may be, thus ensuring they stay together during their Journey. I do not know if it was something that always was, or another legacy the ancestor spirits left us, but we know that ability comes from them gifting eachother some of their light.

Sounds familiar ?
It works just like our candles.

Unfortunately, there’s no way to tell a bird to go to a specific area; they will follow the skyfolk they befriended as if they were their flock, possibly landing on them if they are stationary. [...]

The bird uses the migration routes to reach the realm of its friend (the skyfolk that gifted it light) at first, before separating to look for them when they feel them near.

However, if its search is fruitless, then the outcome is in its… wings. What we hypothetize is that it depends on how close to the final stretch of the Journey it is at that point. Either it is far enough and goes back to the Wind Paths, in which case it will idly circle the area until it feels the presence of its friend again or we lead it back to our flock, or it is too close and completes the Journey.```

[sharp lichen]

Ok, I did that

[rigid mural]

[keen shore]

confused bluebird

[sharp lichen]

I edited the document to make it that a part 2 isn’t mentioned.

Unfortunately, there’s so little lore that wouldn’t distract or confuse lore moths that I think asking in this channel would be a lot better for more specific lore stuff that the Sky Lore Document didn’t cover

[naive flare]

Hey does anyone have access to the mantasquisher 3000 concept art? Having trouble finding it sorry

[rigid mural]

@naive flare here you go !

[naive flare]

Tysmmm!

[wheat cypress]

I have renamed myself Dr. Alani Suncape BintDaleth because I've given myself a doctorate in sky linguistics because I can and so that I sound more proffessional because I'm writing an academic paper for the lore chat and yes I've gone crazy

[sharp lichen]

a WHAT

[wheat cypress]

you heard me.... an academic-ish paper ........ it's already really long so I think it deserves the title of 'paper'

[polar forge]

Essay.

[wheat cypress]

fine..... essay lol

why not paper tho

nevermind I looked up the difference and essay is a better description of what I'm doing

[sharp lichen]

Sky Lore Document: Ultra Hard Difficulty

[eternal totem]

Sky Lore Challenge (Impossible)

[keen shore]

props to you, I have many ideas but NOT the energy nor motivation to make them fully-fledged academic essays

[eternal totem]

I do write my ideas down but it’s incoherent

[keen shore]

SO TRUE

Is it really a Salem lore essay if it isn’t a massive rambly mass of text with several sentences in parenthesis explaining more and at least 5 tangents

[eternal totem]

And then forgetting the juicy details later

[eternal totem]

Aah but I like reading some of your long posts here!

[floral grove]

What real world languages do you guys imagine the ancestors of Sky speak in, assuming that they can speak fulls sentences?

[keen shore]

THANJ YOU… I really appreciate it <\3 I haven’t done them in a while, mostly because I haven’t really gotten a chance to squeeze it in the already existing conversations!

[eternal totem]

Arabic and Hebrew

Mainly because of the concept Elder names & some of the writings on bells eerily look derived of Hebrew letters

[karmic ledge]

it was lowkey a shoutout to lore chat -fingerguns-

[eternal totem]

Ash jumpscare

[karmic ledge]

boo

[floral grove]

I agree. Those languages could be the lingua franca of the Sky Kingdom. Though, each realm have varying cultures so I imagine that other languages or at least dialects would arise

[eternal totem]

Hebrew, Arabic, Urdu, Parisian, etc…

[keen shore]

Double five looking in shock as crab whisperer puts hot sauce into their coffee and acts like nothing is wrong with it

[eternal totem]

Yippeeee

[keen shore]

@rigid mural

[rigid mural]

TBH CRAB WHISPERER 💙💙💙

[keen shore]

I don’t have any words for this masterpease, I am staring in equal mixtures of awe and fear, I cannot tear my eyes away

[rigid mural]

LOOKING AT MY PAINT DOODLES

[eternal totem]

Crab was a pain to relive when I started but they looked very, very stylish I forgave them

[sharp lichen]

PERFECT CREATURE

[eternal totem]

My fave was Pioneer but I thought they were a mime (we didn’t have spirit names until Sanctuary)

[keen shore]

You know when you stare into the void of space and know you are looking at something nearly incomprehensible, terrifying, but beautiful all the same? Those are the emotions tbh crab whisperer invokes in me

[rigid mural]

tbh crab whisperer is so cute, i would give them corn flakes

[eternal totem]

Crab call holds a place in my heart because it sounded like one of my cats, I thought it was based on a cat when I first heard it

[rigid mural]

staring at this giddily, i love them so much, the scruffy

[raw crypt]

funfact we were like. all certain it HAD to be a lightseeker and it had to be crab whisperer bc of just. their legacy (ping off)

[keen shore]

I SAW THAT HINT AND I WAS LIKE ARE THEY SCARED OF CRAB WHISPERER… IMMEDIATELY

[sharp lichen]

I would turn them into corn flakes as well

[rigid mural]

crab whisperer confirmed scariest spirit (affectionate)

[sharp lichen]

What is this referring to

[raw crypt]

we thought it was piggback at first but doublefive makes a lot more sense they seem like they would apologize to the waiter if they poured soup in their lap kinda guy, piggyback would see crab whisperer defy rules of the universe and just go “oh so true bestie”

[sharp lichen]

So lorechat is just piggyback whisperer?

[rigid mural]

i love how before DoB they looked elegant and all when you didnt pay attention to their memory (too focused on the crabs and the krill) but the moment they showed up in sneak stance at the saplings we KNEW they were unhinged

[keen shore]

Do you think piggyback and doublefive share their rock collections, Are they rival rock collectors, Or my favorite option: When they both realized they wanted to be friends they started gifting each other rocks and now they are no longer rivals.

Rock rivals to rock best friends.

[rigid mural]

snoozing carpenter has a rock collection as well fyi

[keen shore]

correction, I knew they were unhinged and you cheesed me for suggesting it … vela callout post

[raw crypt]

OMG enchantment lightseekers rock collection show and tell

[keen shore]

OMG…

[rigid mural]

proof or it didnt happen

[keen shore]

Doublefive walks sheepishly up to piggyback like Here is this really pretty quartz crystal, I found it and it reminded me of you,

[rigid mural]

crab whisperer didnt cause the ark crash but they would dig in polluted sands for loot and crabs

[keen shore]

still in denial I see

[rigid mural]

oh god lore thing but if the masks reflect their realm, do you think the spirits reflect them too
Wasteland and CW so starving and desperate for light

[frigid tinsel]

What the hell is this what the what.
I support it but it wasn’t the first thing I was expecting to see.

[raw crypt]

ITS TBH?

[keen shore]

YEAH I THINK SO, but I wonder if it’s less a connection like how we draw between the elders & the spirits with masks, and more like… living and being in that realm reflects their job to a massive extent, so lightseekers from each realm act differently and have different jobs and whatnot

I’m trying to think of an example thwts not crab whisperer bc I already have a very specific headcanon abt how they work in relation to this

[frigid tinsel]

Yea I thought of that :)

[rigid mural]

:)
you

[keen shore]

The amount of violent desires hidden behind thst smile

[frigid tinsel]

If I can get back to that chapter of DFT then :)

[eternal totem]

Not yippeeeee

[rigid mural]

i may have been patient 0, salem spread it and alasdair made it w- OH MY GOD

[raw crypt]

NOT YIPII 💔💔💔
BUT WOAHHH thta looks so cool!! AUGHHH

[keen shore]

OUGHHHHHHHH WOW IT LOOKS SO GOOD…

[violet sundial]

Thinking about how this relates to the assembly kids

[frigid tinsel]

Dark I love your art, you’re fantastic

[rigid mural]

IM GONNA GO INSANE DARK UR ART IS SO SO COOL

[eternal totem]

THANKS it’s the best I can offer

[keen shore]

ITS SO WELL DRAWWN!! Ty for sharing it!!

[violet sundial]

Also crap you just gave me a really good idea
I never thought of the collar as being veined like the other capes but i love that idea
Snatching it for something lightseekers related

[frigid tinsel]

In a promo or concept art, the scarf on their cape is lined, let me find it

[violet sundial]

Also
What do yall think Doublefive’s hat is made of

[frigid tinsel]

This lightseeker concept

[eternal totem]

LS concept art

[rigid mural]

NO YOU WERE FASTER

[violet sundial]

Yesss that one……. Also the piggyback lightseekers’s cape reminds me of the wisteria cape now

[rigid mural]

i litterally have a folder for lightseeker concept art
so normal about them

[violet sundial]

I kinda wish they stuck to the color palette of these concepts

[eternal totem]

Could be just mushroom, it doesn’t look like a straw hat

[violet sundial]

YESYESYES i love the idea of lightseekers making their clothes out of mushrooms

[keen shore]

I go soft like a banana when I think abt the lightseekers and assmebly connection

[violet sundial]

The mushrooms in the switch trailer remind me of these concepts which is kinda why i wish the palette had been kept

[rigid mural]

making banana bread out of you

[violet sundial]

Cus then it would be more obvious that this is the case (is it still? I hope literally so cool)

[raw crypt]

xe will be baked soon

[white junco]

i would eat those mushrooms

[frigid tinsel]

Why didn’t I realize sooner that the yellows in the capes and the floaty orbs were lights why I’m writing about two lightseekers why

[keen shore]

Alasdair, I love you but…

[violet sundial]

I wanna see Piggyback Lightseeker and Daydream Forester together

I feel like there’s not really as many obvious parallels and I want to, like… understand them both a bit better
Esp bc the info we got during Bloom was minimal

[eternal totem]

I’m not sure how to explain but their clothes are made of diluted light material left in dark water specifically from dark lily pad swamps, otherwise if it’s too strong the material will be ruined, then

[keen shore]

MEAN TO ME

[frigid tinsel]

I’m just thinking about SLS plucking a light orb off their cape when they feel bad and huffing it

[keen shore]

Slink callout post, they can justify bullying me but not the rock that killed everyone… 💔

[rigid mural]

HELLO ???

[keen shore]

Finally, you let them eat something

[white junco]

wait actually you putting this into words made me realize something. piggyback lightseeker's cape is like shush's but the light in it is extinguished. & in their memory rejecting voyager is overtaken by dark plants

[violet sundial]

Oooh… i could see that def

I have a skykid tribe in Forest that has like. Really heavy Lightseekers influence which is part of why i’m so interested in the Lightseekers

[frigid tinsel]

They used up their light for Voyager

[rigid mural]

i need DoB 2022 back, i love watching the lightseekers hang out and defy the laws of physics and- OMG

[eternal totem]

It’s like, dye, but it gives a safe coat to handle stronger light better

[rigid mural]

PIGGYBACK LIGHTSEEKER MEMORY IS MESSING ME UP SO MUCH WHAT HAPPENED TO VOYAGER

[violet sundial]

Oooh, icicic

[rigid mural]

There's dark plants sprouting from Voyager's own memory as well !

[eternal totem]

I wish I could explain this better I’ll just go to my drawing board instead

[white junco]

& piggyback lightseeker was the last lightseeker you could access. OH AND THERE'S NO LIGHT TO CATCH IN ISLE hmmmm

[frigid tinsel]

They’re so sick they messed up other people’s spirit memories

[rigid mural]

sick, sick from illness or sick from surfing

[white junco]

piggyback is sick as in surfing, voyager is dying from the darkness

[frigid tinsel]

They’re all dead yknow

[violet sundial]

So then that would make Piggyback Lightseeker a kind of healer then, no?

I wonder if Forester is a healer too but deals in plants typically instead

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think anyone trained could heal with light, especially since ancestors were very likely light beings too to some capacity

[rigid mural]

I hc all the lightseekers were a kind of healer- yeah what ze said

[frigid tinsel]

I have no wifi, what the image supposed to be

[white junco]

definition of forester

[keen shore]

piggyback calls something “sick” and then immediately apologizes to voyager

[frigid tinsel]

When I get wifi back I’ll post the fic quip— oh there it is

[violet sundial]

Yo what’d be cool
Lotus plants in Sky

I think the flower on the top of the ls umbrella in concepts looks a lot like one

We already had those cute lotus origami boats

had

I need spells of those someday i swear 😭

[keen shore]

I am struggling to type but another cool note abt voyager is thst they don’t have darkness plants in stargazers’ memory… implying they got infected after

hey vela you know our theory/headcanon abt spirits with elder masks being connected to their elders somehow? wonder if this also fits into that

[rigid mural]

[keen shore]

Holding the fic excerpt gently and looking at it adoringly. I wish it had a chickadee image in it

[frigid tinsel]

Biting hissing scratching

Btw Fritjof is Ceasing Commodore, I gave almost every ancestor in my ancestor-centered fics names

[lyric isle]

man we’re talking spirits but I don’t feel like talking,, sad

[violet sundial]

Hi voluntary
I hope u feel better soon ;;

[white junco]

related to the voyager stuff, i hc that the isle spirits died in the order corresponding to the amount of flowers around their graves. so candlemaker, stargazer, & then voyager

[keen shore]

OHHH THATS SO SAD AND SWEET AT THE SAME TIME… I wonder if the sheer amount of skykids who have probably put flowers at candlemakers grave have tilted the numbers slightly

[white junco]

trying not 2 play favorites with the isle spirits but. that is a distinct possibility

[keen shore]

Voyager being infected with darkness plants n piggyback lightseeker seeming to be the last chronological lightseeker and rlly low on light makes me think very hard about timelines because of the former spirit also being in stargazers memory

[white junco]

RIGHT like everyone in isle is connected except for candlemaker. where ARE they

[violet sundial]

My basement

[keen shore]

let them out you monster… /j

[white junco]

teleports behind u

[frigid tinsel]

If Voyager was infected with darkness, could it be possible that burying their body rendered the ground around it sterile? That way nothing could grow on their grave

[violet sundial]

NEVER OHOHOHOHOHPdies

[keen shore]

candlemaker is one of many spirits that I can never condone being mean to no matter the circumstances

[white junco]

candlemaker can't be in your basement, they're right here in my heart

[keen shore]

I rlly like the idea that they weren’t necessarily super important in life (although tbf you don’t seem to need to be to become a spirit…) but had prophetic powers similar to the ones in prophecy and decided to stick around as a spirit to help us. Probably not canon I just think it is very sweet

[violet sundial]

Actually i think they’re at your mothers house/j

[frigid tinsel]

In my ficverse, Candlemaker started the guild that teaches candlemaking to skykids

[keen shore]

I partially stole the interpretation of them above from dft btw

[frigid tinsel]

Where did I talk about Candlemaker cameo in DFT

[white junco]

every once in a while i get a burst of energy and start another candlemaker wip but I don't really like how that kind of first person turns out so they just collect a bit of dust

i have like 4

[keen shore]

when you have been with me usually in other servers. It’s the part where they go to isle idk if you’ve written it out yet or just palnened it

[frigid tinsel]

I was searching and found this

[frigid tinsel]

Oh could’ve been in the other server, yea. Just planned out then

[white junco]

omg I remember this

[keen shore]

everyone heard Alasdair say that they’re putting candlemaker in his fic and immediatley went into defense mode

[wheat cypress]

ok I know this was like 3 years ago but may I please quote you and your chart in my lore essay? 🥺

[green pine]

Go ahead!

[rigid mural]

Here’s my lantern folk headcanon !

[wheat cypress]

thank you so much!!! 🤍

[green pine]

Keep in mind though that the third image in the original post (the image with the lineup of skykids) was made by someone else, aside from the height measurements I added on top of it

[keen shore]

HOLDING GENTLY, I have a soft spot for headcsnon where ancestors work more similar to skykids than not

[white junco]

eating this

[wheat cypress]

The numbers themselves are your own calculations though right?.... cuz that would be enough to include

[green pine]

yes

The image is really out of date anyway since skykid heights come as a gradient rather than a small selection of sizes, but I just wanted to mention it for just in case

idr who originally took the screenshots to build the third pic

[frigid tinsel]

Devouring

[wheat cypress]

thank you so muchhhhh

[green pine]

the only skykid height that's always locked-in and good for taking measurements is the chibi mask/potion jsyk

[frigid tinsel]

Props to the dude who hasn’t been active in the server for years but will still immediately respond to pings

[untold notch]

this is the best I want to be them

that gradient is so tasty vela I want to drink it with a straw

[frigid tinsel]

Vela is a master of colors

[keen shore]

VERY TRUE

[rigid mural]

so the gist of it is that ancestors had thicker "skin" so it helped protect them from darkness... for short exposure times. They could walk in dark water for short periods of time (crab whisperer) or survive the polluted rains (shivering trailblazer), and generally deal with a dark environment (Forest and Wasteland), sure, but on the long run, it did more harm than good.

I got inspired by Alasdair's fics because in there, ancestors can recharge eachother, but it's much slower than with skykids. So I imagined that being sturdy meant being a bit more reluctant to being vulnerable, and thus not really fast at recharging.

Skykids are similar but opposite, they are more easily harmed by darkness than ancestors, but we recharge eachother way quicker.

kinda individualistic mentality vs accepting help thing you know ?

ty for the compliment ilu all

[keen shore]

I don’t know yet what my ancestor headcanon would be for how they work… I want them to be different than skykids but at least partially obviously light based like not full on humans… I really like the idea of them being sturdier versions of skykids, or how they work in DFT where they like… mostly humany with a lot of light bits for good measure

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve been going with mostly human for ease but yea they’re still full of light. It flows through them like veins. You can rip their soul out if youre aptly in tune with light, which means you could probably manipulate light very well anyways.

And just aww Vela 💚

Spoilers but Crab Whisperer does this in DFT twice

[rigid mural]

couldnt have guessed

[frigid tinsel]

Y’all know Sigil is one of their victims but not the other

[toxic delta]

There was an attempt first contact

[rigid mural]

i know there's one dude and thats why the pirates decided to give them a room because they are scary

[frigid tinsel]

Yea not that guy

[rigid mural]

rip random pirate, alasdair didnt even count you in but at least you were a good plot device

one day a dev will read your fic and it will be like buff actor: electric boogaloo

[frigid tinsel]

I fear that day but idk if I’ll ever know if that has happened.

[rigid mural]

The one fic you got published is really really good tho, and it gave me ideas on my vision of the valley elders in my headcanons !

[frigid tinsel]

gosh I'm

[keen shore]

YEAH ITS SO GOOD

[white junco]

YEAH

[rigid mural]

elders that you dont know if they are one or two !!! that want to help people that neither fit here nor there !!! they are so liminal !!! also i am still giddy over the flying wheelchair idea i sparked

[keen shore]

the sunset fic is soooo good and so well executed, I love it sm. The concept is amazing and somehow the fic is even MORE AMAZING

[frigid tinsel]

y'all are so nice, I'm hand flapping, omg

the feedback I've been getting since publishing it has been incredible and I've never had such a positive response, idk how to express how thankful I am

[keen shore]

[eternal totem]

After much thinking I think

[keen shore]

my god it’s beautiful…. Waow!!

[frigid tinsel]

eating, devouring, cherishing, Dark oml why are you so good at clothing design

[rigid mural]

HELLO ??? I AM EATING THIS WITH MY EYES

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT?? THEYRE SO GORGEOUS…

[frigid tinsel]

those details are magnificent ✨

[keen shore]

THE LANTERN DESIGN…

[lapis temple]

Yoooooo that’s super cool!!!!! And it looks amazing too!!!!

[eternal totem]

Thank you! 🙏

I have one (1) more design

[keen shore]

OOOOOOOOOO

[eternal totem]

Abyss guide,,

[untold notch]

this is so great

[keen shore]

OHHHH WOW… THEY LOOK SO GOOD… I LOVE THE MASK DESIGN AND THE HEAFPIECE!!!

[frigid tinsel]

the knife in thier mouth oml

[sudden smelt]

Nice perspective!

[keen shore]

Idk how to explain it but somehow this version of abyss guide fits even better than the canon version

[frigid tinsel]

this is an Abyss guide that would get themself out of hostage situation

[eternal totem]

Current Abyss looks too preppy but it would make sense they’re the least scarred since they’re a rookie

[keen shore]

Oh, so this is like… abyss guide if they were allowed to grow up? My heart…

[frigid tinsel]

I burned down their house in my fic. that's not how they died but yknow

[violet sundial]

For those of you who weren’t in beta at the time of Abyss testing, the guide used to sell an additional mask that had a teeny tiny scratch on it

i think they should’ve just made it an inaccessible item like the Lightseekers guide’s mask

[white junco]

oh yeah i remember that! it was like angler’s but a bit different

[eternal totem]

I’m not sure if you can see it here

[keen shore]

Is this like how people say they did crimes in Minecraft to avoid being suspicious?

[violet sundial]

Its fine dw

I wish we had more abyss pants tbh wouldve been cool

Abyss’ cosmetics in game in general is so… mediocre compared to the kind of stuff we’ve seen in the concept art

They’re still neat and all but, man

[eternal totem]

You can say so! It’s more just their attempt at braiding their own hair, the knife is handmade too, it’s like, the little things of growing up & wanting to prove independence

[violet sundial]

Is the braids sticking straight sideways intentional? Just out of curiosity cus i think thats funny

[eternal totem]

Yes intentional

[violet sundial]

I love that

[eternal totem]

Thanks for your kind responses I really appreciate the capslock & eating, now I leave
🏃‍♂️

[violet sundial]

Seeya dark ^^

OH actually on the Lightseekers topic from earlier, can i share a part of an ocs design that relates to that? (This is a genuine question cus idk exactly how lax the rules r here)

[frigid tinsel]

usually when you braid stiff, dry, short hair, the braids will stick out sideways. they aren't long enough to pull down from their own gravity.

[keen shore]

Especially in Sky, I imagine the length at which they still stick out gets really long

[dry ivy]

Awww!!! I love this! It looks very dreamy! And I like the unique perspective

Skid is really to glomp the astronaut hehe

[nova kestrel]

Krill before it was the Krill???

[violet sundial]

Ooh maybe!

Actually reminds me
I was thinking like
That one light refinery concept art where the creatures have their light drained and leave behind bones and black dust
What if thats what the krills come from

[untold notch]

sometimes... the advancement of technology is not a good thing

[sharp lichen]

BUT IT BROUGHT US TABLES

[untold notch]

that is a good thing. nuclear weapons, however,

[white junco]

tables are pretty easy to invent

[untold notch]

or perhaps it would be better to say the dark corruption heckery thats going on in wasteland. that is also not a good thing arguably

[sharp lichen]

i'm talking about tables in Sky. being able to be placed anywhere. the uniformity of it all. The way it never breaks. @untold notch I agree with you, tables are better than nuclear weapons

[nova kestrel]

It's the only time you ever see that creature (during orbit), kinda sus

Didn't mean to ping sorry

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat no context

[sharp lichen]

When did lorechat have context

[frigid tinsel]

imagine opening this channel for the first time and seeing "tables are better than nukes"

[white junco]

i'd be inclined to agree

[sharp lichen]

imagine opening this channel for the first time and seeing "cucumber sandwiches are good." You'd never return

[noble ferry]

cucumber sandwich and table lore are very important parts of sky lore /j

[untold notch]

i have never seen a cucumber in this game

[rigid mural]

You had to be there

[sharp lichen]

It was all the Season of Prophecy's fault

[graceful oasis]

I swear by the power of tables, we can literally climb the highest places without the help of boats and say no you to winds.

[untold notch]

ah i joined in dreams that would explain it

[sharp lichen]

You don't understand. This was long after both seasons

[untold notch]

you're right i definitely do not understand the cucumbers. inscrutable little vegetables

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message is the first message. It is a reference to the fact that in the Prophecy murals, they show the Wasteland Elder as being made of an orange triangle, thus being compared to a dorito. Just read the madness that follows

[violet sundial]

Cucumbers r nasty

They’re like watermelons but worse and they literally make me gag whenever i try to eat them

[sharp lichen]

Just discord search in: lore-discussion-spoilers cucumber

[untold notch]

I think I spectated a cucumber discussion

[hushed steeple]

[lyric citrus]

Hi! I'm getting back into sky and was wondering if there were some lore videos I could watch to catch myself up on what happened/is happening (I didn't really know before, so... gotta start sometime)

[uncut bramble]

Something occurred to me while me and friend were visiting abyss yesterday and I don't know if u guys wrote about it or no....is the crabs there
I was talking about how they finally underwater they are in thier natural habit lol
Then i realized......why are they not in the rest of the game
Then i realized further that why abyss story cleared alot of things and why the crabs are always irrated?
Maybe the factories and such
They used to live in heavened and it was the almost clean atmosphere there why would it connect with wasteland it explain alot of the sea realted stuff there.....i think
I dunno where thia thought heading but..... 🦀✨

[lyric citrus]

The wastelands used to be open oceans with underwater caves and everything, but it drained somehow maybe?

[uncut bramble]

I think check pinned messages?

[safe sphinx]

Does the office guide have a name?

[uncut bramble]

I call her big sis-

[spark cairn]

Billybob the third/j

[frigid tinsel]

some refer to the Office guide as thatskybot's skidsona

[white junco]

I've seen folks just call them the office bot but they really should have a proper name

[untold notch]

give office friend a proper name 2022

[native shoal]

They do talk like skybot

[visual lichen]

Yes and like I said yesterday, it's not a dark creature cause it doesn't try to attack us when we get close to it.

[frigid tinsel]

How can you look at that thing and call it not a dark creature

[white junco]

i mean it does attack us. that is a thing that happens

[rigid mural]

I think it attacking us is a pretty important part of the season the Treasure Reef was introduced with.

[frigid tinsel]

Yea it attacks

[graceful oasis]

It’s a dark creature in some essence, it just currently stuck down in the Abyss for his crimes against trying to destroy the Reef, and sending us to the shadow realm

[safe sphinx]

hi lorechat!
two-part question

1. do skykids/elders speak an entirely different language? or is it all based on honks/murals/memories?
2. if they do speak a different language, is there an alphabet for it anywhere

[rigid mural]

There was a concept alphabet somewhere ! Let me see if I can find it.

[safe sphinx]

:D

[rugged jackal]

They might/might have, due to the voice in the credits speaking gibberish (at least, it sounds like that to me)
But other than that idk

[sharp lichen]

You may want to ask @wheat cypress , they're doing an entire essay on it

[safe sphinx]

ooh

[formal nacelle]

I also want to see the concept sky alphabet if possible

[safe sphinx]

this?

[rigid mural]

LMAO YEAH

[graceful oasis]

……We need to talk about tables.

[rugged jackal]

Go on..

[safe sphinx]

and how umbrella spirit is afraid of them?

[copper saffron]

the credits actually sounds somewhat like japanese, i can pick out some relevant words like "sora" - sky, and "nikkou" - sunlight

[graceful oasis]

Ok so we have the Chair summon table, a magic item that allows you to place tables anywhere in a certain range and view… they can break reality itself because they float like no big deal.
Then we have the candle tables, amazing devices to have a calming day and just chat around… but also things that allow Skykids to talk through by the power of candle.

[frigid tinsel]

The singer (whose name I can’t recall rn) actually has their own language they made themself to communicate emotions. The words don’t have meaning. I wouldn’t say it’s gibberish but it’s close

[rugged jackal]

Til the lyrics in Sky are not exactly gibberish

[frigid tinsel]

I’d be more detailed but it’s 2am

[graceful oasis]

Chairs and candles allow for the ultimate thing in this work:Through gosh darn telepathic light magic who ha.

[fathom kiln]

was it ever explained as to why the elders kept the mantas in underwater cages in one of the treasure quests? there was also mural about it

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea Hey guys…. Power diamonds.

[frigid tinsel]

Getting an explanation? Lol

[graceful oasis]

You see…. You know those floating black diamonds and the mine around the area….. those things need light to have power so ummmmm Light extraction.

[fathom kiln]

oh 😦

[sudden smelt]

Which quest was that? For which season

[fathom kiln]

i think it was the 4th? you had to explore more underwater and found the caged mantas (its been a long time since i done it)

ohh season of abyss!!

[rigid mural]

1st quest: intro to fetch quests
2nd quest: exploring the mines
3rd quest: free the caged mantas
4th quest: krill time :)
5th quest: king krill appears

[pastel brook]

You rang?

[frigid tinsel]

No

[graceful oasis]

Lol

[violet sundial]

Aurora?

[visual lichen]

Is it me or are the Krill wearing party hats? No wonder there are connection issues, the server is laughing to hard😂🤣😂🤣

[floral grove]

They goofy with them hats on

[visual lichen]

It was a testing facility like a lab or aquarium maybe.

Seeing as they locked Gerald in the abyss, I would say it was a laboratory/prison

[floral grove]

Which place are you talking about?

[tranquil mirage]

Not sure if it’s lore, but something I found really cool about the Spirit shard, is that its sparkles—similar to the Winged Light sparkle silhouette that is drawn to your Sky kid—seems repelled by your Sky kid

[outer hare]

Bobbit ^^, the effect you bring up vaelyn is a little weird since the same sparkles are present on the tlp rose and the star prop 💜 not exactly sure but i thinks its just for aesthetic purposes

[timid nexus]

It’s called Light Language ❤️

[outer hare]

Isnt it aurorian or something? I cant seem to find it on the web anymore but im not entirely sure if that song is aurorian or just plain gibberish

[timid nexus]

Google “Light Language” it’s essentially a language not meant to be understood but felt. Frequency healing .

[copper saffron]

which is literal when talking about sky lol

[ember wolf]

is this lore moment, looks like a grave to me

[eternal totem]

You mean a memorial?

Although the boring technical answer here is that it’s an issue with floor’s texture, it just happens to be near a flower bouquet

[twilit stump]

who.... who's gerald

[potent sedge]

Theory time
Crabs want the light but it's like they're confused or maybe hypnotised by edens control

[ember wolf]

maaaaaaan

[visual lichen]

Gerald is the name we gave the giant mommy Krill at the bottom of the abyss. This is now dubbed Gerald. Hahahahaha

Alyhough I would prefer calling it Geraldine. Hehehehe

[naive flare]

On that note, i wanna hear any and all running theories on where regular krill come from, because im… at least hopefully sure that Gerald isnt the same thing, and that krill dont all end up that big at some point

[thin dirge]

For some reason, when I try to think of that guy's name as "Gerald", the name "Jeremy" just come up instead

[visual lichen]

Well yoy already read my previous theory yesterday right? It's the same as the difference between wolves and chihuahuas, both are k-9 but still very different breeds. The Krill do have eyes, 4 to be precise. So although they not directly related, I believe the krill are a form of subspecies off shoot from Geraldine the abyss monster hehehe.

Proof the Krills have eyes.

Now somebody else, anybody else, please give us a theory so I don't feel like a parot hahahahaha

No? OK then. New theory, maybe the spirits or elders, couldn't weaponise Geraldine, so instead they tried to build artificial versions of her/him. Like terminator, just Krill. That would explain why they both look similar but yet still very different. Maybe that's why they got those artificial stars in thier mouths?

Both theorys are sound, and hard to argue with. Unless you are a biologist of sky dev hehehehehe
C'mon people I'm bored, and with server errors this is all that's left today hehehehe

[silk hinge]

does anyone have a theory on why the flying spinning darkness plants are flying and spinning?

[slim plume]

That seems good! Like Gerald/ine was a 'natural' corrupted dark creature and that the krill were basically offshoots/inspired by it? I think it'd make sense, considering how much less 'mechanical' Gerald/ine seems compared to krill

[floral grove]

Gerald/ine is a goofy name for the creature I love it

[ocean brook]

My theories (not entirely) about treasure reef is that it's some kinda lab where they experiment with mantas

The bigger the mantas the more dark stones they create (according to the murals)

obviously they needed more bigger mantas, So they try genetically alter the mantas to make more dark stones

Their waste went to the gigantic tank, At some point something went wrong they became krills

I found the abyss concept art, this kinda confirms that krills are mantas

[slim plume]

It's concept art for a reason! It may have been discarded in development, or something may have changed to make it fit with the overall lore of sky. Concept art is helpful, but remember to take it with a grain of salt

Imo, I think it's the latter. It's still related to mantas in some way, but not so obviously in the way the concept art implies

[slim plume]

Those could also be older mantas (as it seems the older a manta gets, the more wings it has). The murals are up to interpretation though!

[ocean brook]

We've never seen how older mantas actually looks like, but the shape of them looks a little similar to the concept art🤔

[rigid mural]

Fun fact, in french, "Double-Five Lightcatcher" is called "Friendly Lightcatcher" :]
Certified friend.

[drifting rover]

If theres one thing ive noticed about the shattering memories is how it’s similar to the void we end up in during season of abyss, everything there is petrified and frozen, like that one manta we seemingly end of freeing from the leviathan
All of the memories so far seem to be depicting some kind of movement within the creatures of sky, possibly all around the same moment, somehow preserved like fossils within the void

[hollow acorn]

Sorry for off-topic, and picture wall
I found these murals in light-awaits(maybe) video in youtube.
These were in the vault, so they maybe changed into current elder mural design in all elder oob room with added detail?

[ocean brook]

Hidden forest temple theories

According to the concept art forest temple is dark stone factory, text at the top says something about pushing down materials (yes it is concept art, things may have changed. Also i can't find the full images)

Creds: I'm just kostas (YouTube)

[drifting rover]

If we look back at the fannon timeline we can assume that the eden diamond blew up at one point creating the storm around the mountain, so what if said explosion preserves a single moment in time in well, shards
And if we were to put the memories together wed get a single memory of what happened

[ocean brook]

Pay attention to the forest temple walls :)

(Before & after the cutscenes)

[keen shore]

Yeah this makes sense! The general layout of each is the same, the current ones just look a lot more detailed and unique. The ones in LA showing the elders gifting little light balls is really neat; that detail was lost in live… I wonder if that bit of lore is still canon, just not immediately shown.

[ocean brook]

At the end of the cutscenes mantas started coming out of the walls, also in my previous message (treasure reef theory)
They needed lights to create dark stones, they used mantas for that

[keen shore]

yep! This is the current theory for what forest temple, as well as the second area of wasteland & at least some of treeasure reef, were: darkstone refineries. There’s also a diamond symbol scattered around that you might notice is present in all three, and very few places else.

[ocean brook]

So it is STILL a dark stone factory

[keen shore]

The mantas were most likely trapped before the disaster and only have been released now! There’s not really anyone left alive to trap or release them now…

[ocean brook]

Yes! That's what I've been saying :)
They were trapped when the ancestors still alive for used in creating more dark stones.

[uncut pond]

The title card of the Ancient Memories says

Ancient Memory
A frozen memory in the Eye of Eden
At least in the Spanish version

[wary zodiac]

i just realized this looks like the king

[uncut pond]

Hold on where is that

[safe sphinx]

Wasteland?

[frigid tinsel]

Golden Wasteland

[uncut pond]

Yeah I just noticed it's just it looks so different with the red atmosphere

[naive sequoia]

Duuude no one told me about the light sword and the mechs

[uncut pond]

I swear, all these concepts are so wild that Sky's setting could've been used for an anime and it'd work

oh wait right they're already making an animation

[visual lichen]

Hehehe OK, the Krill don't look anything like manta. The bigger the manta, the more wings/flippers they have. To clasify all the light creatures as manta is silly. And to claim that everything is related only to manta is halerious. Hehehehe.
Only 2 and only 2 creatures resemble each other very closely and DONT look like manta in anyway, and that is Gerald/ine and the krill. If you know what biology is and how it works, then you would agree.
As for the manta, in the real world you get a lot of different manta species, that look very different from each other. We can all agree that treasure reef was a laboratory, and testing station. Where they had locked away Geraldine, and manta, when I look at the Krill mesh, I can see the Krills face, eyes and mouth. The mouth looks similar to the shape of a manta ray But, manta don't have mouths on the end of thier "nose" but rather beneath its body. So the Krill is not in anyway related. Unless you look at it the whole thing differently, as a mutation rather than an evolutionary change.
It could be possible that in the facility in treasure reef, they murged the manta DNA with Geraldine DNA. To make smaller faster Krill that can fly, but that is a wild speculation, that can not be remotely plausible or believable. In treasure reef, you find Krill locked away instead of manta, where did they come from? My original theory makes more sence when you ask this question.

But then again, it is wild speculation, and I find it hard to believe that Geraldine is the only one of her kind. That thing is huge and fish lay eggs, why else would the Krill have the same body structure. A bull is not a cow, true same species, very different biology. Same between a normal cow and dairy cow.

[visual lichen]

You can find that sword in the wasteland next to the catapult, or at least one that looks like it. But mechs is a new thing for me hahahaha

[keen shore]

Heavy disagree on every aspect of krills not possibly being mantas. (Or, related to mantas.)

1] the concept art that Mono posted here does look a lot like mantas. Specifically, the elder manta creature in sanctuary.
2] the elder manta creature does resemble krills heavily, in terms of amount of limbs, general body shape, placement of diamond, and so on. It is not out of the question that due to corruption, it could become a krill. Especially if the corruption took away all its soft flesh, and exposed its skeleton instead, twisting it until it becomes unrecognizable.
3] It is also not out of the question that the elder mantas are an ascended, or otherwise merged together, form of mantas. Meaning that that would fundamentally make krills mantas by extension. They do look like a bunch of mantas merged together in a straight line, and appeared next to them; we also have no idea how elder creatures are created. It is entirely possible. Especially if the instinct to merge is triggered by corruption somehow (I have a headcanon about this)
4] If krills are created by refineries (likely, since we first meet one inside of one), and the treasure reef mural & the mantas in forest temple heavily imply that mantas were the most common species to be used for refineries, the connection is obvious.

Again, I’m not saying krills being mantas is 100% canon; however, it is not entirely disprovable either. It’s a wise idea to not dismiss it entirely and call it stupid, considering it is the basis for many people’s, including mine’s, headcanons — especially considering there is some solid evidence behind it.

In fact, I have a theory in the works about crabs being corrupted jellyfish, which would only further prove the already widely assumed fact about corruption twisting creatures so much they barely resemble their previous forms

[frigid tinsel]

The word “corruption” can imply any degree of change. It could be minor, but more often than not it has the connotation of a drastic change from one’s original state. If krill were once mantas or elder creatures, then that is a very drastic change but still feasible under the basis of corruption.

[keen shore]

definitely! Especially considering that light creatures are made of almost pure light, and corruption eats away at that… whatever change occurs has to be drastic, right?

Anyway, once again want to say that I’m not saying my headcanon on how krills work is completely and obviously canon, just not to dismiss it and insult it right off the bat. In fact, generally that’s not a good idea for theories here, unless they have negative effects and/or are rooted in bigotry to some extent (i.e. the starlight desert asylum theory)

[rigid mural]

Birds confirmed too pure to be corrupted.

[slim plume]

Don't jinx it

[rigid mural]

Maybe the leviathan has/is a frozen memory ? Could krill be born from frozen memories ?

[frigid tinsel]

There are crabs and those dark seeds in the latest frozen memory. Perhaps beings of darkness could be petrified as well and ultimately released

[slim plume]

Wait, if krill are born from frozen memories could that mean they hunt memories to 'unfreeze' themselves and move on

[drifting rover]

Thats what im saying
All the memories in Shattering seem to be at one exact point in time but the leviathan one is different like it shows how it originates from a simple light creature getting corrupted

[rigid mural]

@ all of you

[keen shore]

Ooooo… maybe the process that corrupts them in the first place makes frozen memories as well? Like that’s how darkstone works or something…

[rigid mural]

Maybe darkstone is technically powered by memories since light carries them ?

[keen shore]

YEAH THATS WHAT I THINK TOO. although I’m not sure if it’s powered by just memories, but some kind of light that has a connection to the soul in general, bc of how our candles can make it work, but lighting torches and just typical fire cannot

Memories would probably be either the only thing that lasted this long without decaying, or the most common due to how the corruption process works.

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps it's an unintended side effect – light carries energy, hence why it's useful for power diamonds, but if light also carries memories, then those memories are taken as well, even if they're not technically needed

[keen shore]

Darkness in general seems to be able to hold on to and decay memories to some extent, wonder if that’s how it makes slouching soldier forget things… darkstone might be an extension of that

[cunning girder]

I have a theory that season of shattering are basically memories of the eden elder or king, perhaps they're his way of communicating he wants to escape or smth

[hushed steeple]

I wonder if dark plants are corrupted butterflies
Because when you melt the darkness, butterflies seem to follow you

[keen shore]

Yeah I have wondered that! The spores you find around the shards also look really similar to butterflies… it could be that they’re just the easiest source of light to latch on to, though, so I’m not sure

[fair knot]

I think those butterflies are the physical manifestation of light in Sky ... since almost every creature in sky looks like water creatures

[keen shore]

could be! They do seem to stand out quite a bit, and there isn’t any mention of an “elder butterfly” like there are for other light creatures… wonder what that would even look like.

[fair knot]

One thing I think its interesting about butterflies, Sky creatures recharge or light if we touch themm but Butterflies knows when we need light and follow us

[keen shore]

The mantas in hidden forest seem to do that to some extent as well, though not as much… although, due to the rain, it seems more like they need the recharge as much as we do vs. Just doing it for us

[fair knot]

Yeahhh .... I think they follow us because we "saved" them ... I dont know, maybe ahhahahhaha

gratitude, I think that is the right word

[brisk ginkgo]

Is there a lore reason why when you honk, jellyfish and mantas (sorta) will respond?

[keen shore]

they are saying hello :}

[safe sphinx]

Grandma will respond to your honks as well

[brisk ginkgo]

There's also a purple line whenever you ride a manta, does this mean there's a connection between your skid and the manta?

[frigid tinsel]

I had considered the light absorbed by darkstone – power diamonds and corrupted darkstone – irretrievable. frankly it's a fair assumption to make since up until Shattering, it seemed they took light but did not give it back. compared to the mutualism of sharing light as between skykids, light creatures, and spirits, then it'd be thematically fitting for the light taken by darkstone to be dissonant with that compassionate symbiosis since power diamond manufacturing can be linked to the downfall of the kingdom and disconnect from the Light.

however with Shattering, I think the light absorbed by darkstone is retrievable, just much more difficult. darkstone is stubborn, taking and taking without easily giving back. when we clear shards, we free light from that stranglehold. sometimes it is "wax" light, sometimes it is creatures. they ascend, reuniting with the Light. the Void of Shattering appears to show us a visage of what had been petrified as the Frozen Memories.

to align that with the environmentalist analogy Sky is going for, the mutual sharing of light is akin to renewable resources – sustainable and beneficial to both human and nature. darkstone technology is nonrenewable resources – the extraction and usage of such causes harm to both human and nature. as we run out of them, we going into deeper, more desperate, more dangerous methods to get them.

[forest abyss]

Guys, I found a another good meaning behind Eden. It's normally symbolizing death, of course, but...

You ever think real deeply on what our winged light really means? It means two things: time and energy. Going through the first two sections of Eden is like trying to preserve what time and energy you have left to the best of your ability, before you will need to sacrifice it all anyways.

Once you enter the section with the fallen, it's basically a whole other meaning here, but I'll explain:

In this section, our winged lights act as our time and energy. Although for the most part it's mostly energy. What are we using the energy for? To make amends and ask for forgiveness in our life with those we have wronged or have fought bitterly with, in the past, or to give our empathy and to symbolize we'll be joining them soon. After you reach the part in Eden where the rocks don't stop raining, the winged lights now act as both time and energy. We're on our deathbeds now, trying to make amends and make peace with everyone and ourselves before we finally leave this plane of existence.

[fair knot]

That huge creature looks exactly like that ghost manta from Vault of Knowledge....

[graceful oasis]

….I didn’t know this existed….

[frigid tinsel]

Krill repellent. The krill will still spot you but they will not hurt you

[somber dome]

TIL krill have extra eyes on top of their heads

Four eyes to see above, four eyes to see below , and a single eye that they use to see in a head of them

[bold bronze]

Hey quick question, what hair is that?

[uncut pond]

Isn't that the Chimesmith hair from Flight?

[frigid tinsel]

Tinkering Chimesmith hair from Season of Flight

[ocean brook]

Out of topics but Is it just me or they look like a few mantas being connected 🤔

[fair knot]

They do o.o

[keen shore]

yeah! That’s one of the evidence pieces I use for my whole ideas abt elder creatures being a bunch of “lesser” ones merged together in a collective similar to Megabird… although it is likely not canon, it is Very Cool and nothing disproves it, so I run with it

[ocean brook]

I heard somewhere that eden is based on eden garden, I'm not a Christian but i did some research.
From what I've read eden garden's is supposed to be heaven & it creates life

Is eden in sky heaven? It used to be. Does it creates life? Not really but it does affects life somehow. Creatures stops ascending as eden got corrupted this makes me think that eden is connected to orbit somehow

Everyone's talking about krills so I'm gonna talk about eden LMAO

[sharp lichen]

In Japanese, Eden is called the “Original Sin”, and the Vault Elder cutscene shows a figure from Eden holding a circular one of some sorts.

I think it bears a slight resemblance to the “Garden of Eden”, a place that used to be paradise

[frigid tinsel]

cracks knuckles. I was raised Christian.
in Biblical canon, the Garden of Eden was the first place on Earth where God created flora and fauna as well as the first two (or three) humans, Adam & Eve. it was very much heaven on Earth. Adam & Eve were tasked with overlooking the flora and fauna as well as to not eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. tempted by a snake, they disobeyed God's demands and ate the fruit from the tree. for what has been deemed the original sin, God banished humanity from the Garden of Eden.

the devs are invoking this myth when they named the final realm Eden. also as Baud said, Eden in-game is called "Original Sin" in Japanese. another allusion to this Biblical story.

it could then be implied that Eden was a sort of holy land or sacred site for the Sky world. perhaps in the past Eden was halcyon, peaceful, important spiritually. then the ancestors, the most human resembling entities, did some "original sin" that ruined Eden.

[ocean brook]

And that's by overusing the power of dark stones 0_0

[fair knot]

I think the parallel between biblical Eden and Sky one its true ... But I think the Eden from sky was created by Old Sky People, trying to reach a spiritual place, like Babel tower from bible ... And maybe thats their Original Sin, building something like machines and buildings to reach an higher spiritual place thats not supposed to be reached by them while they are alive ........

Babel Tower

[slim plume]

Where did you get the image on the left from? Is it from Light Awaits (old Sky) or something else entirely?

[frigid tinsel]

nah that's not from Sky

[slim plume]

Looks like Sky and I'm not sure how to feel about that

[frigid tinsel]

it does resemble a mural

[nimble ingot]

I specifically love the connotations between the tower of babel and Vault in Sky, since the Vault was once called a tower, and resembles one based on the path we take up it.

Both are made by mortals that once lived in harmony. Both were united in their goal. Both were looking to reach the realm of the gods (the heavens). Both fell to ruin after a sudden change. And both now speak different languages ever since (although this is debatable with Sky ancestors, but I like to think of this as a possible reason why the ancestors were learning how to speak like various animals).

[low spindle]

What are capes for the sky kids. Are they like removable? And are the cosmetics we see just how these skids are born, and its able to be changed just for game reasons?

[nimble ingot]

The capes of skykids is light given form as it is where the winged light is stored.
Skykids are able to remove their capes, as in the trials does include skykids without capes, and somehow still have their winged light. While this might be a matter of game mechanics, in regards to the lore, skykids capes can be suppressed or removed. Though the game would not normally allow this as the cape are part of many game mechanics.

[low spindle]

Alright alright thank you

[frigid tinsel]

I think that while winged light manifests as capes, skykids can alter the appearance of them, whether by manipulating the winged light itself to change the shape of the cape or by changing the color of light wrapped around the cape.

[fair knot]

Thats not from sky ... That draw its from a 'tablet' they found in Iraq

[latent lark]

Would definitely explain the mural of the king eating that orb headcanon: the king is named adam

Lilleth is the krill and eve is a whale

[fair knot]

omg ahhahahahhahahhahahahhaha

[latent lark]

Gotta tie everyone in somehow 😂

[sharp lichen]

Also, it seems like capes are made of entirely light, since they don’t display a shadow

[old bolt]

Hi guys! I'm new to sky discord and this channel was the reason why I joined
I'm currnetly focused on bells so I have a few thoughts on them (and on cyan light)

We know that the bells have an effect on creatures of light such as mantas and jellyfish. In Sanctuary quest cutsceenes we clearly see that this effect is lifting mantas into the air rather then summoning them into existance or calling for them. This is due to the cyan light which is used to activate the bells and as we know from Enchantment and Prophecy cyan light represents the element of Air. The same effect can be seen in Forest Bridge area before the Temple with jellyfish. In Prairie Village we see big mantas appearing form clouds but there's also the sea below which can be seen from Bird's Nest. So bells make mantas and jellyfish fly in the sky.

The cyan light 'lingers among the early gusts of wind' and can be found in the area right before the Prairie entrance. This is the first area where we see mantas fly as in Isle there are only birds and butterflies. Prairie is full of Air element so that's why the whole area is in the clouds and there are updrafts, floating islands and so many mantas. Bird's Nest buildings clearly look like windcatchers (and so do floating island structures in Wind Paths but like natural ones).

[keen shore]

OH thats an interpretation on how cyan light works in the bells that I haven’t heard before! I always assumed it was to blow the bells back and forth or something! Huh.

[old bolt]

Bells with different sounds have effect on creatures of different size as on the picture below (the numbers indicate octaves). It seems like the higher the note is, the bigger creatures are affected. In Prairie Village there are big mantas and the left island bell is C2 while the other two are both B1 flat. The forest bridge tower bells are both B1 flat and there are big jellyfish.

(sorry for posting so much at once I just was so excited to tell this eventually )

[tough coral]

okay with the traveling spirit coming now i... have a question, since i will never experience that season (because it is an Old Season from before there were Seasonal Areas To Explore)
... what are the lightseekers, anyways? ive heard a bit about them having something to do with death but other than that i know NOTHING about them and im rlly interested

[keen shore]

OK BEFORE I START YELLING ABT THAT I WANT TO TALK ABT WHAT LIKARRO SAID RQ.

so quick note likarro, there’s been some form of effort to translate the Bell symbols for ages, although it’s rarely gotten far… mostly because we’re not sure if there’s anything to translate or if it’s just gibberish. It’s really cool that you might’ve found at least part of their inspiration!

The part about the specific notes and the creatures they summon are really cool… I will try to kick that information around in my head for a bit to try and figure out if it means anything on a wider scale! I never noticed that, or have heard about it, and the correlation is super neat.
I also never noticed the detail about cyan light’s placement and the mantas flying… I can get the implication that it’s what made them fly, although what that means in terms of who did it and why is making me think :0

[sharp lichen]

I think Isle is more fit with the Air element, since there’s so much clouds. Prairie fits more with the Earth element, with the abundance of nature and wildlife. But still, I like this observation!

@tough coral The most important thing is the fact that they’re probably mentioned in the Forgotten Ark Murals, which probably means they were friends/rivals to the Enchantment Crew.

Since their season was in the early days of Sky, we know very little else. I’m begging for a Lightseekers 2 season!

[keen shore]

I have a lot of thoughts on the lightseekers and all of them are Vela’s fault, let me try to get them out coherently

[wheat cypress]

this is fascinating!!! I've been looking into making sense of these bells for the longest time, and I think you've unearthed quite the piece of info 👀 Mongolian makes sense, especially since these bells were based on Indian prayer mantra wheels from Tibet, its the same region

literally these bells have given me such a headache lol

[fair knot]

OMGGGG .... OMGGGGGGG O.O

[wheat cypress]

Here's my cloud character theory if you want to share my headache

[frigid tinsel]

no need to apologize – we lore text walls here

I find your insights really intriguing cos the why Sanctuary guide uses cyan light to restore the belltower has been baffling for a while. but you're making me think – perhaps Sanctuary guide wasn't using cyan light to fix the bells' material but rather to imbue the bells with cyan light. the ringing bells could be emanating cyan light through the air and ocean, gifting cyan light's air powers to specific marine light creatures based on the bells' tone, giving them the ability to fly.

is this something the ancestors were supposed to do? maybe. I'm thinking back to the Shattering news post. specifically:

The light around us is in constant motion. Who could not see it? Who could not feel the joy of its movement?
Once, we guided the migrating flocks.
taking this from the POV of the ancestors, were the ancestors in the Sky world supposed to be act as shepherds for light? were they grounded because they were not meant to fly alongside the light cycle but to help is continue, to control the flow? could the belltower be a tool they used to usher water-bound beings into the air so that they could fly to ascension?

something I want to add is that the shape of the belltower resembles this concept Megabird aka the Light, sometimes taken to represent the light cycle itself or, as its god, its creator and overseer.

[wheat cypress]

this. is. amazing.

[sharp lichen]

That is interesting, considering how the symbol for Red Light (obscurity) also has that, along with the “fog” effect in the Performance village. Maybe the definition evolved to mean something like “cover”?

[fair knot]

Amaziinnnggggg

[wheat cypress]

I had forgotten about the red light symbol .... now I think I have another essay to write

[sharp lichen]

WAIT WHAT SORRY

[keen shore]

It does seem kind of strange for solely-marine animals who can’t reach Eden on their own (because it’s a mountain) to exist… I wonder… maybe:

1] there was always ambient cyan light existing to some extent, allowing them to fly and reach it, or
2] there were other methods of ascension besides Eden that no longer existed at the time sanctuary happened, meaning they had to use cyan light to help the creatures ascend

Leaning towards the second, because it fits with the whole “the world was declining already by the time of spirit memories” idea, I just don’t know what the alternate places/methods would be

[wheat cypress]

essay 1 is at 2200 words 🙃.... progress update lol

[keen shore]

Giving you a sky phd for this

[wheat cypress]

I already gave myself a doctorate..... but thanks anyway I am honored

[slim plume]

Petition to design a certificate for Alani and by that I mean me designing a certificate whenever I gain motivation and tackle the other 5 drawings I need to finish

[wheat cypress]

that would be so cool 😭

[keen shore]

Ok I think giving yourself a doctorate is illegal in some way. I am starting to get a little suspicious here

[wheat cypress]

then I retract my claim of a doctorate and replace it with your PHD certification

[keen shore]

I don’t know, sometjing seems fishy about this whole situation, but I’ll still give it to you anyways

[slim plume]

All the motivation I need 🕳️

I need to start making a list for all the WIPs I have yet to do, I'm starting to forget them

[frigid tinsel]

isn’t a doctorate a PhD?

[keen shore]

Don’t worry about it

[wheat cypress]

I literally don't know

at least now I have a valid title that I didn't give myself lol

[keen shore]

Ok so not only did you get a doctorate you also don’t know what they are?? Hmmm…

[wheat cypress]

also petition for Baudshaw to get some sort of Sky science certification phd doctorate thingy

[sharp lichen]

Alanigate is real

[frigid tinsel]

a math degree

[wheat cypress]

yes.

[keen shore]

instead of being like a normal math degree it’s a certificate that says Congrats! You’re the only regular in lorechat willing and able to do math!

[hushed oyster]

Guys does somebody know why are there bones in the dome realm?

[frigid tinsel]

dome realm? you mean the Vault?

[violet sundial]

Probably symbolic of wasteland

[white junco]

the bones are on the level that corresponds to the wasteland, they may be there due to that link

[hushed oyster]

Oops I translated it wrongly my bad

[violet sundial]

Shared brain cell

[white junco]

the lorechat braincell

[sharp lichen]

I want it

[fair knot]

Wait .... waiiittt .... I didn't know that each level of vault corresponds to each realm of Sky O.O I always thought that every level above second floor was a memory (Blue light like spirits) OMGGGGGGGGGG

[wheat cypress]

oh look the lorechat braincell

[violet sundial]

Indeed! Goes in the same order you actually go through the other realms in, Isle is represented by the ground floor

[white junco]

isle just has sand, so true

[keen shore]

Untrue, the lorechat braincell is that little ball of light sunset bats around /j

[wheat cypress]

ah I see

[violet sundial]

Oh no, our braincell! Its gone

[white junco]

fear not, I have a spare

[wheat cypress]

also thanks @keen shore for the PhD

[sharp lichen]

[wheat cypress]

oh look it's Spades spare braincell

[hushed oyster]

I also wanted to ask you guys
Does the fish have lore

[keen shore]

Fish lore, they be swimming

[frigid tinsel]

they’re fish

[violet sundial]

Super important fish lore: i ate them (so did abyss crew!)

[wheat cypress]

mmm delish

[white junco]

they're diamond shaped and very low-poly

[hushed oyster]

I should think before I write AHAHAH
I meant the big eden fish.. that enormous thing that destroys that … building ? Castle? Whatever was that

[frigid tinsel]

some call that a whale

[wheat cypress]

ohhhh chonky boi.... @nimble ingot had a theory bout those... hope the ping is ok lol

[hushed oyster]

I’d be happy to hear it

[sharp lichen]

Also important: the Crab Whisperer puts coffee on their fish!

[white junco]

i think there was a q&a where someone asked why there weren't diamond shapes on the little fish like there were on mantas and the response was basically "too low poly"

[wheat cypress]

oof yall I gotta go see y'all laterrrrr 🤍 had a fun time today, love learning from y'all uwu

[violet sundial]

The fish ARE the diamond shape

Also personally I believe sky is missing something extremely important: goats. Like even just a goat themed mask pls😭

[hushed steeple]

I’m confused on wether a manta is a bird or a fish -important research-

[keen shore]

fish I believe

[violet sundial]

Probably

[hushed steeple]

But it flies

[white junco]

everything flies in sky

[hushed steeple]

the fish don’t and neither do crabs

[violet sundial]

They do come out of the water though

[frigid tinsel]

Arguably they’re both

[white junco]

this gave me major flashbacks bc like 1.5 years ago I was trying to design a fan season & made a goat mask and that spirit turned into my sona, how time flies

[violet sundial]

I want to make several goat masks for like a
Flight sequel season that’s more eden centric

Also show me i wanna seeeee

[fickle wing]

consider
sea goats

[keen shore]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO water prophet fursona

[frigid tinsel]

Mermaid goats

[nimble ingot]

Ping is perfectly fine.
I may at times take bit to respond ^^

I can't wait to backresd these fantastic theories

[violet sundial]

YESYEYESUES
I’m making a non Sky character that is based off sea goats

Also pretzels with honey is good yall should try it

[fair knot]

Sky fishs dont have wings

[violet sundial]

No wings?

[white junco]

same character about a year apart(?) idk i don’t pay attention to the passage of time

[fair knot]

They look like this ()

[violet sundial]

Eats (the fish and goat mask )

[nocturne sonnet]

Do we know what the little gems on skid chests are?

[violet sundial]

Actually that makes me think
We don’t rlly see many grounded animals in Sky directly aside from the implication they exist via seasonal masks

[fair knot]

Our light .... when you use your candle those gems disappear

[nocturne sonnet]

Oh that's cool

[violet sundial]

We can also brutally rip our winged light from it in Eden

I wonder sometimes if handing your winged lights to the Eden statues is like ripping out your own organs and offering them to sick strangers

Here, take my left kidney! I didn’t need it anyways

[sharp lichen]

Organ donation

[fair knot]

omg ahhahahahhahahha

[white junco]

when you're extinguished, the light in your chest goes out, though you can still pull your candle out, it'll just be unlit

skykids you view in memory candle recordings and friendship constellations do not have light cores, as they are just light projections and not the actual skykid

[keen shore]

do the people count?

[violet sundial]

Can you elaborate more? I dont getvwhat u mean

[white junco]

like the ancestors

[violet sundial]

OHHH yeah kinda

But like…
Where are the land-faring animals TGC
I assume they’re just not there bc it would be harder to program but like… i wanna see them pspsp

[fair knot]

What land-faring means? I'm not fluent in english

[white junco]

creatures that can't fly and don't live in the water

[stable lance]

Maybe they went extinct. Like the fact that some spirits have land animals-like masks does kinda prove their past existence.

[frigid tinsel]

Season of Agriculture when

[white junco]

tgc I need rabbits

[frigid tinsel]

Bunnies

[keen shore]

Casting blessing of kitty cat on Sky

[wanton robin]

Crabs are land (mostly) dwellers

[graceful oasis]

……Slugs…. We need slugs in the game

[wanton robin]

frogs

[violet sundial]

Honestly i feel like if they tried anything itd just be so abysmally buggy that it would do dumb stuff like clipping through the ground and falling into the void 💔

[upper heart]

I think we might only get water creatures, since the creatures of the world are canonically able to fly, much like us (a hybrid of creatures and ancients), while the ancients could not before inventing technology that would lead to their eventual corruption.
And since they can fly, swimming animations are easier, as well as the birds and butterflies we already have.
What I think would be cool, would be to get an octopus into the game ✨

[fair knot]

Well ... They are adding spirits that walk around and do some stuffs, maybe they are working/programming some new IA

[white junco]

I mean, we've got oreo, though he's not really canon to the lore. I wouldn't underestimate tgc on this kind of thing

[fair knot]

I would love to see some old stone animals, like those fishs from concept art

[violet sundial]

True

[upper heart]

I think that was what the abyss season was for

[fair knot]

These fish

[white junco]

i think it's very intentional that all we have left in the world of sky are birds, butterflies, and water creatures (yea some of those water creatures can fly but they also swim)

[upper heart]

I want an octopus. Just because I feel like it would be a really funny looking thing. Either bobbing up and down swimming like the current jellies or being stuck on a wall so we can ride it/stand on top of it

Like- they already had an octopus thingy in their sketches and it seems to have been planned to be friendly, hence the butterfly.
Maybe that was the problem. It was supposed to be friendly, but they couldn't get it to look friendly and the colors didn't fit their meaning with it

[fair knot]

I dont know Why, but I think Octopus would be dark creatures

[tranquil mirage]

I know right? I was thinking earlier how interesting it would be to see fauna in the realms of Sky

[upper heart]

Maybe that's not a butterfly and I just got it wrong

[white junco]

i'm looking forward to that sky animation project thingie, perhaps we will see more life in the realms there

[frigid tinsel]

Seal puppy

[white junco]

seal puppy!! little guy!! so excited

[upper heart]

I'm hoping so too! To see the realms in their full glory before we came along! Also- pince/king lore possibilities? ✨

[stable lance]

I want more sky whales content

[graceful oasis]

……We need more insects…. Dark insects…

[fair knot]

Its a octopus holding a Skykid ahhaha

[stable lance]

Giant dark moth

[white junco]

MOTH

[upper heart]

Oh absolutely. More darkness. Just to give the few of us that like to explore what the corruption is capable of the possibility to get some change from crabs and dark dragons

[graceful oasis]

Insects that crawl on moths and other Skykids and drain your light and you have to fly around to get them off.

[fair knot]

Dark Slugs

[upper heart]

Imagine a flying race with insects after us

[white junco]

oh to hug a very large sea slug

[graceful oasis]

Pure horror

[stable lance]

Also this octopus fits sm in the dark waters in gw

[hoary ingot]

Does anyone know what those spinning rings in the Citadel & Colosseum are and what were they used for?

[stable lance]

They always gave me kind of solar cosmic vibes (idk why)
Nvm i know why now

[upper heart]

Not really. The sketches seem to indicate they're a sign of the higher ranked or where the richer people lived, but besides decorations, sign of power and just waste of technology, I can't tell if they're supposed to be clocks of some sort or actually have a purpose

[graceful oasis]

Epic decor

[fair knot]

Rich people doing rich things

[frigid tinsel]

They’re orreys

An orrery is a mechanical model of the Solar System that illustrates or predicts the relative positions and motions of the planets and moons, usually according to the heliocentric model. It may also represent the relative sizes of these bodies; however, since accurate scaling is often not practical due to the actual large ratio differences, a subdued approximation may be used instead.
(Wikipedia)

[hoary ingot]

I was thinking the same. I believe the elevated parts of Village of Dreams was where upper class lived. The Colosseum must’ve been some place where the rich went for entertainment. That sweet dancer spirit out on the rink kind of indicates that. It seems that they wanted to perform there one day.

So, what was going on with the planets that they needed to monitor them so closely?

[frigid tinsel]

They could just be for aesthetic. Valley really seems to be stuck up in their decadence

[hoary ingot]

My best guess would be they knew the stars were on the brink of falling, and they needed to be watched or monitored. I could be way off, of course.

[upper heart]

Maybe they were monitoring the stars even more so. Since their technology mostly works on star power or on the power of flames they collected from the dark plants. They would need any energy they could get basically

[hoary ingot]

True. Thanks for your help

[hoary ingot]

They could also have been trying to find a way to get even more power from the stars. Especially the upper class, which might explain why orreys are in the colosseum. More power, more status.

[upper heart]

Haha! I mean they did just win a war against the creatures by the time of valley that they had kinda initiated. Not to mention the prince was crowned a king there

[fair knot]

Valley its the only place that the structures arent falling apart, those houses still light up at night ...

[hoary ingot]

I never heard of this war. Do you mind explaining? But then again, I don’t know much behind the story of Valley either.

[upper heart]

There were two wars.
One in Forrest after the creatures got mad at the ancients for using light in the dark plants that belonged to fallen and trapped creatures in the dark plants. The ancients eon this war.
The second war was in what we now call the wasteland, once simply an extension of valley with the kings castle.
In this war it looked bad for the ancients, so they attempted to flee with the Arch, but the elder creatures sacrificed itself and got in it's way. With the explosion, the storm was created, corrupting many creatures in the process while the last ancients fled to the library.

(Also forgot to mention that the king was trapped inside the storm)

[frigid tinsel]

That’s based on a concept timeline that seems to be not 100% canon. Some elements, like the creature vs. ancestor war, seems not to be canon. There definitely was some sort of military conflict in the Wasteland but we are not sure what it was fought over. A popular theory suggests it was a civil war between ancestors over darkstone technology production

[hoary ingot]

Where were they going to flee? I’m still confused on the King theory, too.

[upper heart]

I know I'm just speculating, but with some ancient having weapons in both forrest and wasteland, plus both having skeletal remains of creatures varying in sizes, it's still possible

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a lot of thoughts on the king, many that disagree with each other, many that support each other. It’s a

[hoary ingot]

Hm. Who is he and where did he come from? If anyone knows , of course. Was he the one from the cave of prophecies?

[fair knot]

maybe they used sky creatures as weapons, transportation, like that family at switch trailer

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve laid out basic thoughts about the king before: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[upper heart]

The king theory from my knowledge is basically the first hybrid to be born. They could carry the flame, like a creature and fly, however looked human like an ancient. They surpassed all trials in prophecy cave and were named the prince, quided by the elder of isle. Eventually they would however go on to lead the ancients further into the world, go to war, be crowned king and such and such

[upper heart]

I'm sure that's what it was when they were still on good terms. However after technology was invented and flying ships and platforms became a thing, I have a feeling they didn't need the creatures to be their chariots anymore

[hoary ingot]

Wait, so the human world is below us this entire time? 😭

[fair knot]

Tecnology its expensive .... its easier to use creatures, because they reproduce

[upper heart]

Well, this is all just a theory after all
I personally still believe the creature vs ancient war

I do have many questions about the trailer, since I have seen certain thing that have contradicted my early theories, however since it's not fully out yet, I can't actually say anything solid. Just throwing random pieces of knowledge on the playing field

[fair knot]

I Like the Civil War ideia because that could explain why Valley structures still there and why Wastland and Forest dont

[hoary ingot]

Same here! I was wondering what everyone thought about the trailer.

[frigid tinsel]

There doesn’t seem to be a “human” world in Sky’s canon

[uncut pond]

There was in the old original concepts, but it was scrapped

Also the atmosphere and lore in general of the game went through many major overhauls, it's borderline insane how much it's changed

[frigid tinsel]

Zhao’s concepts were made in 2013 iirc. A lot of time for revision

[upper heart]

It was odd. The magic use of an ancient on what seems to be a flame inside a lamp despite the trailer saying this was before the stars began falling, the many flying ships that could be seen in the background, again in a time with supposedly no electronics
And my personal pet annoyance... The light on the childs chest. I thought the light in our chest resembled the flame so why would a child ancient have that mark?

[uncut pond]

Tbh it's not that surprising it's changed so much in so many time, as an aspiring writer/artist I can relate to having an ever-changing story and lore

[upper heart]

Also the strange addition of dark creatures before corruption, even if those creatures never made it into the actual game.
At this point I'm really willing to turn the trailer off as not canon

[hoary ingot]

This! I thought darkness didn’t exist until the very end of things.

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a thought that darkness always existed but was kept in check by light. The ancestors ruined that balance

[upper heart]

Yeah. The trailer is honestly amazing, the animation and style beautiful and I am interested in the friendship between the kid and creature, however I am having doubts on how well it will fit with the lore of the game. Kinda like the same problem with league of legends and Arcane from what I have heard

[frigid tinsel]

The animation is going to expand on the lore of the game. It’s going to show what the world was like when the ancestors were around and bits of what that entailed. Also it doesn’t need to “fit” the lore when the lore is vague as all hell already.
Frankly I’ll welcome it as a wonderful addition to Sky’s canon.

[upper heart]

True. Haha! I guess I just have a hard time accepting I'm not always right

[hoary ingot]

Is as just interested in seeing how the realms look. They’re all so beautiful!

[hoary ingot]

There’s an animation coming?

[frigid tinsel]

Yup, like the Switch trailer: https://youtu.be/KevTXLvpmVI

[upper heart]

Yes. The switch trailer had a large portion of it and I think the other video about the animation project was released three months ago

[fair knot]

The child have the same mark on his back, I think its just a design .... And we have some boats that can fly ingame hahahha They are relics from old sky people

[hoary ingot]

I know the trailer, but is there is a full animation coming?

[frigid tinsel]

Yea that’s what I linked

[upper heart]

Yes. They did say "More to come!" in the description of the other trailer/spoiler. I just checked

[uncut pond]

Inb4 the animation contradicts so much of what lorechat had assumed about the lore that everyone collectively accepts it as not canon

[sharp lichen]

The animation portrays Crab Whisperer as normal

[latent lark]

The animation may be like a short story tho, not really giving us solid lore since the main point of it is that it’s up to interpretation

[frigid tinsel]

Stories about daily life can hold lore. I’m not expecting it to be an infodump about the kingdom’s history, just a moment in it

[latent lark]

One thing i’m a bit confused about is, shouldn’t the sky kids know what happened to the kingdom? Like if we are reborn over and over again, what happened to the skykids that lived when the kingdom flourished? Shouldn’t they/we know what befell eden? Or are we a new generation of sky kids that must save the old generation (been awhile since i saw the beginning of the game)? If the latter is true, why don’t they tell us what happened so we can come up with a solution to stop the storm permanently? (This is strictly coming from a story perspective)

[uncut pond]

Heresy.

[frigid tinsel]

There was either zero skykids during the kingdom’s reign or just one, who may be the king/Chosen One. Every other skykid was born long after the kingdom’s fall, so they wouldn’t know about the past unless they were told or put two-and-two together like us lorechat lads theorizing

[latent lark]

Ah that’s fair.

[hoary ingot]

So, is there’s a human world below Sky, right?

[uncut pond]

No

[hoary ingot]

Oh.

[latent lark]

I think it’s interesting how the mural in the cave of prophecy shows that the valley of triumph gave the wind element and not prairie. Honestly I thought it’d be the other way around

[soft timber]

flies in I feel like there is going to be one final season to Sky (assuming) and it's going to either permanently make Eden become calm, or make it so that Eden isn't as horrible as it is now hits a wall flying

[sonic ocean]

i dont think sky is going to close this year or the next

[soft timber]

Just assuming if it does, those two are probably the most likely outcomes

[sonic ocean]

to be fair sky lore is extremely vague and it's entirely possible what we think is canon is 100% incorrect (gestures to anything based off zhao's concepts, anything that hinges on the belief that the king is a skykid, etc)

[fair knot]

Maybe in two, three years ... and maybe those butterflies coming out of Dark plants its a sign that the world of Sky is Healing Nature always find a way to heal

[soft timber]

Truth

[dry ivy]

I hope Sky can go on for a long while before it ends

[sharp lichen]

I doubt Sky will end for a long time, at least 2025

[wheat cypress]

@sharp lichen what does the red light symbol stand for again and how do we know?? I forgot and also I'm extremely lacking in my knowledge of Season of Prophecy 😵‍💫

[spark cairn]

HC: if there was a vending machine in Eden it'd be full of pilk.
Hidden Forest would only have Dasoni water and there would only be one vending machine and it'd be found in a place no person has gone to before.

[sharp lichen]

@wheat cypress Keep in mind it'd doesn't really mean darkness, I think it's moreso "covering" or "obscurity" or "fog"

[wheat cypress]

I'm rlly curious... where does this meaning come from? :... treat me like a moth on this lol I have 0 experience with the lights

[soft timber]

Is pilk just the Sky equivalent of milk?

[sharp lichen]

covering and obscurity are from the fact that the light was used in Enchantment to reveal murals. Fog is from the fact that the spiral symbol is found in the Performance Stage, where turning it on causes fog to appear

[wheat cypress]

oooo

[spark cairn]

You sweet summer child.../j

[sharp lichen]

make of that what you will, linguist

just like people can barely understand sky math but still support it, I feel the same way with sky language

[keen shore]

@rigid mural

[rigid mural]

don't worry about it

[keen shore]

you are corrupting the children

[willow parcel]

Here's what I would do
Wasteland-water due to the ark and cove
Isle- earth- literally nothing else
Valley-fire
And prarie-air

[torn eagle]

Wait let me ask for clarification

Do you mean that air element came from valley or the air element was given to valley?

[sharp lichen]

I think it's because the Elements were passed around the Sky world, so it started out in Prairie, then it ended up in Valley

[sharp lichen]

I think the elements each elder has is more a representation of the virtues. In the Elder cutscenes, we see the Elders lacking in virtue:

Water is the virtue of patience, but the Forest Elder rushes to take your light.

Earth is the virtue of resilience, but the Prairie Elder is lazy and sleeps.

Air is the virtue of balance, but the Valley Elders are only focused around pranks and entertainment

Fire is the virtue of courage, but the Wasteland Elder seems to give up during the cutscene before you offer help.

[willow parcel]

Neato, but I'm just saying that's what I would have put the elements as based of the environment

[sharp lichen]

As for the environment, I think it fits:

The ending part of Isle has a large amount of clouds, and in this game clouds kinda represent air, so Isle has air

Prairie has lots of flowers and nature, making it perfect for Prairie

Forest has lots of light creatures in the specific area you find the Orange Light in, and so Fire, although Water could also work.

Valley is frozen over and has lots of snow, making it perfect for Water.

[rigid mural]

pepsi machine in gw canon

[keen shore]

is the cheese diamond canon too by this measurement

[latent lark]

Came from valley. Another mural shows the twin elder and some people flying to eden with the air element

[latent lark]

What about the forest? It rains in the forest

[latent lark]

Which mural shows that?

[frigid tinsel]

if you recall fetching the lights to complete the Enchantment quests:

orange light is found in Forest (a mural in the Cave of Prophecy shows orange light causing wildfires).
green light is found in Prairie (from mantas).
blue light is found in Valley (in a frozen lake).
cyan light is found in Isle (behind Isle temple in the clouds).

arguably those are the natural habitats of those lights. Chosen One just moved them to different realms

[violet sundial]

PEPSI MILK WHAT THE HELL

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FQgj2Ii1A9p1kSly9rehvZU-fPsKtGazuEGvE3Od-Bg/edit and then control f search "colorlights"

[native shoal]

Pepsi milk

[soft timber]

Ah

[floral grove]

I like to imagine that English in Sky is what Latin is to us. The names of the creatures in Sky are very simplistic, "Dark Dragons", "Crabs" "Shadows", "Spirits." It's kinda like how scientific names sound very simple when literally translated to English, "Felis catus → Feline cat" , "Canis lupus familiaris → Familiar canine wolf" and "Thunnus → tuna"

[lusty ledge]

PUBG better than sky. Lamo

[wanton robin]

Honestly makes a lot of sense

[north sinew]

it is both different kind of game,you cannot compare them together.Sky is a cure game and PUBG is a game where people play guns and chat dirty together,it is totally different

[slim plume]

Why are you even here then