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[zinc rapids]

is the ultimate gift still not exchangable not fixed? D:

[eager harness]

Oh, weird! 😂 You’re haunted lol

[grave jetty]

It's weirder than that. There are two kinds of shards: quest-shards (which are guarded by mutant crystal crabs) and wax-shards (which are not). Only quest-shards are usable for the quests; wax-shards still give wax, but don't help you finish quests. But any quest-shard should work for a quest, no matter what realm it's in.

[eager harness]

Mutant crystal crabs. I just laughed so hard. 😂

[spark lance]

i am lil confused.
"extinguished to the point of crawling"
doesn't this mean bald burnt player?
we don't crawl if we lose some energy

[sand rune]

Wait is there multiple shard locations every region?
At a time?

[spiral grotto]

Teenage Mutant Crystal Crabs

[versed dome]

Crystals crabs, never met em

[eager harness]

Crab power!

[twin isle]

Yes bald burnt player. You pick them up, and then honk and it returns light to yourself and them only after you make them not bald. That's how I interpreted it. After making them not bald honking to recharge their wings after picking them up from ground gives you wing charge back if you need it in addition to the person you saved.

[sand rune]

The prairie orb field crystals was red though but no creb......

[timber plume]

Hi. I havent been able to find a quest shard today, even though i definitely need one ~_~… its making me very frustrated im not sure what to do

[fervent pier]

Pls for once mo update my storage is gonna die

[queen wedge]

Still clearing my storage, update has to wait💀 💀

[grave jetty]

Most realms seem to have multiple shard locations, though we've never seen more than two of them get used in any given day. Today they're in the Butterfly Fields and the Prairie Temple, both of which we haven't seen before (previously we've found them in Caves, Bird's Nest, and Sanctuary Islands).

[sand rune]

Gonna check temple for quest

[spark lance]

ah now it makes sense. i wish it was what i thought at first.
But thanks for explaining

[glacial urchin]

I wonder if the devs are working on the ults again or adding anything to them if they're still not placed back in the tree anytime soon

[grave jetty]

It's possible. They might be adding a third ult that costs two hearts, for example, and just keeping the two capes at one each.

[twin isle]

darkness pant ult

[spark lance]

or preparing for a ban wave

[glacial urchin]

that sounds like an interesting theory I'll keep my eye out for that

[spark lance]

we share the same braincell

[grave jetty]

Maybe? Or the Eden Crown. Or maybe, having done two "royal" capes, the third ulltimate could be the no-cape.

[upper bronze]

darkness plant umbrella ult maybeee? slim chance but

[terse karma]

I want Eden king lore… AND I WANT IT NOW!

[upper bronze]

we havent had an umbrella since lightseekers and the only one regularly obtainable is an IAP, so considering umbrellas actually have a useful function i think its high time we get another one
OOH or it cld be a jellyfish? maybe a darkness umbrella wld look too similar to the lightseekers ult

[twin isle]

I might draw darkness plant umbrella

[upper bronze]

ping me if you do!!

[spark lance]

darkness plant umbrella would’ve match the hidden forest

[upper bronze]

im torn whether i want an umbrella or pants ugghhhhh

[spark lance]

eden crown

whisper

Eden crown

Fades away

[grave jetty]

A red crystal cape could also be nifty.

[upper bronze]

ok call me crazy but what even is the eden crown? i see everyone losing their marbles over it but what even is it

[spark lance]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/618891214527266846/978859619839533096/IMG_20220525_101739.jpg

@upper bronze

It's a cosmetic that resembles the king of eden crown

[upper bronze]

oh my god that is SO SICK i wld totally b down to have that as an ult

[grave jetty]

https://youtu.be/IwTL6yLVYps?t=5m0s

[spark lance]

i would trade both krill cape and manta cape for this crown

Tbh me too I don't remember when was the the last time we had a ultimate reward that felt like AN ULTIMATE REWARD i mean
We had a CAMPFIRE as an ult !
And anubis mask was so iconic

[tame plinth]

I would trade all of my ults for that crown

[oak remnant]

sorry to intervene, but for those who finished the 4th quest, which location did you do it at?

[spark lance]

prairie

[grave jetty]

I think I did it in Vault. Any location will work in theory, as long as there's a quest-shard there (the ones that give ACs, not regular wax).

[spark lance]

i did 1-3 in valley village (we could reuse the same location then idk abt now)
did 4th quest in sanctuary last week

[oak remnant]

may i know which location exactly, was it sanctuary?

[spark lance]

yep

[spark lance]

and the tassels in enchantment. i like them

[oak remnant]

looking at solan, yours, and phoenix answer i think the theory is about right. as long as the shard gives ac and there should be crabs. I suppose it was bugged for me though.

[spark lance]

Is it just me or the butterfly field shard location today didn't have crabs? Also the shards were black amd not red.

[lyric kite]

I've completed the shard events a bunch of times at the locations that give AC and have crabs and it just won't let me complete the 4th quest. I get the AC for completing it, but when I meditated to view the memory it sent me to a blank room and no quest completion notification. So yeah it's bugged for some people I guess

[grave jetty]

It was like that for me too. Same for the one at the temple at the end. But I know some other people have gotten quest-shards instead. I don't know what makes the difference.

[spark lance]

i had to do the shard quests 5 times everytime to get one seasonal quest complete

[lyric kite]

I feel like this season has been pretty confusing in general because the in-game text is not entirely clear on what you actually need to do, combined with everything being super bugged it's hard to tell what is intentional and what is just broken

[grave jetty]

I've done 15 shards today. No ACs yet 💀

[oak remnant]

this is what happens to me too 😔

[spark lance]

ig today's quest gives regular candles and only once(?)
no chance it would give AC

[analog fjord]

SPOILERS I GUESS? SO YOU'VE BEEN WARNED

can i ask something regarding to shard memory quests? i have the latest one unfinished i couldn't do golden wasteland and vault memory due to some bugs... do i need to finish them to see their memory? i only seen manta, crab, jellyfish memories i think

[lyric kite]

That's what we're trying to figure out Orka, but I think it's just insanely bugged and some people are unable to complete the 4th quest unless you persist and try a bunch of times IDK

[oak remnant]

i don't think today's locations on prairie will give ac. Both of them gave me regular waxes

[spark lance]

Next one is krill memory for 4th quest. u should be able to complete it if everything goes fine with shards

[analog fjord]

okkei thanks guys 🙏

[lyric kite]

It seems like theoretically you should be able to complete the quests at any of the shard events that have crabs and give out AC, but sometimes it just... doesn't work

[oak remnant]

okay, i think that clears my confusion a bit. thanks everyone for the answer!

[trim spade]

So like, nothing works still right

[split wave]

is eden still basically impossible to complete?

[kindred fossil]

Not sure about a full run but the last stretch is somewhat playable compared to the previous builds

[grave jetty]

Improving, but still problematic

[white latch]

Oh crap i didnt know theres an update already AAAAAAAA

[warm escarp]

There’s still a strong wind near the entrance and no seeming chance of getting through

Oh, sorry, wrong message answered

[grave jetty]

So, just saw the red krill-strike call. Nifty. Maybe a little oversaturated for my taste, but it certainly drives the point home. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/618891214527266846/984276262610690098/2022-06-08_22-01-14_com.tgc.sky.android.mp4

[oak remnant]

"🔹Fixed a beta crash bug affecting the Treehouse area"
my device: 🧍

[carmine panther]

my flame wont charge on candles in the first level of the fire trial???? i died standing on them???? i cant get past the 5th candle????? solo???? im able to beat it solo???????? bug?????

[azure bone]

I'm so confused right now. Where is the shard? Today I couldn't even find it. Until now I only saw Jelly memory, couldn't pass the first quest mark. Any thoughts?

[gilded parrot]

Reminder that if you are struggling to find something, please remember to submit it in #beta-feedback after asking here, as that feedback is very valuable for TGC and can help many players in Live! Make sure to check #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues as well

[dense pilot]

i still can’t even access beta,, it refuses to update and i’m not sure how to fix it at this point

[warm escarp]

Has already reported same kind of the bug as an iOS user but I’ve seen the first shard at least, however now I can find none of them

#beta-bugs-ios message

[white latch]

Hmmm the shard explosion doesn’t seem to be so bright anymore, idk if thats a good or bad thing since my eyes can’t handle the brightness yet its look so dramatic and cool

[analog citrus]

Valley elder hair still missing for me.

[calm sequoia]

yay treehouse doesn't immediately crash now

[analog citrus]

Oof.. posted a vid and forgot bout the 1 hour cooldown. I guess I’ll just scrap my other pictures :/

Did a full Eden run. Went in with 100+ wings. Got most of the statues yesterday so I just zoom zoomed to the constant rock rain. Got blasted and started crawling. Didn’t even make it to the sand and the last few statues, with 100 wings!

[whole plank]

i posted this on #beta-screenshots-videos , I think the wings scatter too quickly. was this the case with the previous build?

[grave jetty]

There should be two shards today, both in the Prairie (today's Shards are wherever the quest guide is: you can also see black crystals growing out of the gate). One is in the Butterfly Fields, and the other is in the Temple at the end.

Eden erupts every half-hour, and the shards arrive a few minutes later. Today I've noticed them dropping in at :08 and :38 for me, but your time might vary.

[visual ocean]

Grass and flowers have shadows? 👁️👁️

[azure bone]

Well the crystal growing in the gate show only once everyother time I go home, within minutes.. I manage to find the shard in butterfly field now around :38, so it seems to be according to what you said. It restart the dark plants twice, but it burned this time so that's good news.

[grave jetty]

Yep, I just went in and burned them again too. I've done 17 of them today, and none of them gave any AC or quests 💀

[wooden quest]

When’s the shard event

[white latch]

now

[frigid needle]

There's one happening right outside of the temple

I'm trying to burnt he plants but they just don't want to burn or burn very slowly

[white latch]

me trying to get hit by a shards

[wary star]

message to check my roles, ignore

[craggy elbow]

The ultimate gifts are still missing right?

[frigid shadow]

Is it just me who still can't complete the first quest? Either the meditation circle doesn't work or it doesn't appear at all

[limpid tinsel]

I am SO excited for the krill cape; I cannot contain myself

[white latch]

the falling shards start any minute now

[marsh plinth]

OK, I'M OUT
I AM NOT GOING TO TRY TO TEST SOMETHING THAT KEEPS CRASHING

[cyan gust]

They said they fixed elder hair issue but they didn’t

[white latch]

" Only the items that require an adventure pass for the current season will show the season symbol in their closet menu icon."

thats pretty clever tbh

[agile hazel]

Every time you're in chat I can't but look at your pfp for a bit

[woeful obsidian]

Still no ults visible? 😩

[maiden pond]

Beta testers, may I have clarification about this tidbit in the update?

-Calling to recharge a player who is extinguished to the point of crawling also helps to recharge the caller's energy too

Like I don't understand what they meant by that, anyone can elaborate?

[cyan gust]

Honking helps heal a player whos light is out while crawling like in eden

[maiden pond]

But didn't they say deep calls couldn't heal anymore and instead needed light to get back up?

[twin isle]

We think it means after you help someone up, when you honk it heals their wings and also your own energy (if you need it) as the person honking. You can't rekindle them if they're burnt out by honking but only after you help them up from their crawl can you recharge their light and get benefits.

[cosmic moth]

mk so this is random and idk if its been talked about but

yknow how things showing eden n all that are relatively banned from being talked about without spoilers?

will those rules have to change for when the season releases to live? i just cant stop thinking about it. Unless its just certain parts of eden and beyond (I'd count the void as an extension of end game location i mean just look at it)

[cyan gust]

The void is also used when you run out of winged light regularly, not just eden

[cosmic moth]

true
i just wonder how the servers gonna handle the whole eden thing

[agile hazel]

We distinguish it as the 'pity room', so the Shattering void is a separate area

[cyan gust]

Then spoil the title of the eden room? Im not getting the prompt here

[maiden pond]

I mean, as someone who regularly pays Eden a visit to help rescue and restore player's winged lights, I think it's fine for me. But just me, I don't know about anyone else.

[cosmic moth]

im guessing the title and functionality

[cyan gust]

Then spoil the title of the eden room? Not getting the prompt here

[cosmic moth]

ive had my fair share of people chewing me out for not spoiling eden drawings/images
(my phone allows the spoiler feature but sometimes it just doesnt spoil the image)

[queen river]

guys do we still crawl when we’re dying

D:

[cosmic moth]

the issue is that its an entire season based off eden, which has been designated as a spoiler for new players which is pretty tightly enforced as of right now

[hushed arch]

im gonna be honest i dont understand why the spoiler rule exists at all (aside from beta stuff)

[cyan gust]

Well, it is not necessarily eden or named eden is it? I mean the cosmetics and everything can be seen throughout sky like the krill cape and krill in golden wasteland.

[agile hazel]

What? The season isn't even in Live yet, there's not enforcement aside from beta spoilers which has always been a thing

[cosmic moth]

i mean for when it does enter live

[cosmic moth]

the cutscenes and events in the season directly correspond with eden, including the red crystals and several themes like the red sky, i cant remember if they specifically say eden during the cutscenes or not

[hushed arch]

i feel like the spoiler rule is probably just going to be removed when this season drops, no reason to hide anything other than beta stuff at that point when the season is literally about stuff currently considered spoilers

[agile hazel]

Currently the spoiler rule is for anything inside Eden

[cyan gust]

True, i mean why only censore the end of the game when new players havent experienced most of the game itself? Then we should be spoiling vault or something right???

[hushed arch]

afaik not all of the quests have dropped yet so it's entirely possible that the last quest will heavily involve eden, just like tlp (iirc)

[maiden pond]

I don't think they'll remove the crawling aspect anytime soon anyways. It can be changed and reworked or even tweaked for that matter and since this is beta it's always subject to change, perhaps if people give TGC ideas for countering being knocked down, like being able to lunge forward a bit to get more distance in retreating from danger, that being just an example I thought up of. I have millions of ideas as to how the crawling/knocked down system can be balanced but for your sake I won't share them here, but rather, in feedback.

[cosmic moth]

if you think about it, the season pretty much has everything you'd encounter in eden,
the crystals, krill, the ending void, and likely more in the future except the flying rocks

[spark lance]

Bad Ending: Retrieve one more piece of memory from the fallen shards in the Kingdom of Sky

good evening beta chat

[fallow glacier]

Well...Eden should be the most emotional and the final realm in the story, so I think that's more important to censor

[hushed arch]

im gonna be honest this is entirely what i expect

wasn't this season supposed to have lore in it? where is it 🤨

[gilded parrot]

Hello beloved citizens! Skybot here to remind you all that if you are having trouble finding something in Beta, please submit that to TGC in #beta-feedback! You may ask here if you are struggling, but together we can help many Live skykids have a great experience Remember to check #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues as well!

[fallow glacier]

I think it at least won't be censored in #seasons-events-chat (they let office go not hidden since it's involved in events, so why not Eden too?)

[spark lance]

isn't this season only unlockable after vault though? so wouldn't most moths have experienced eden by then?
i mean, who isn't interested in that stormy red and black portal at the end of vault

[queen river]

idk i just think that all the crawling aspect contributes towards the game is to just make eden more annoying for players, and the last thing you ever want your game to be is frustrating

[cosmic moth]

i can see censoring what happens after eden but censoring an entire realm? (if youd classify eden as that) its a pretty good sized chunk of the game and ngl, ive had some friends not do eden and not know about it saying sky was too boring for them

[spark lance]

office isn't like an offical map though, it's more of like a easter egg that they host parties in, eden is more of like ooo spooky end of game!

[agile hazel]

I can understand the spoiler rule in #general-sky-discussion since that's the main hub where loads of new players join. But not for other channels, especially #questions-and-help, makes it such a hassle

[queen river]

well yah but if a moth joins the discord before then…..spoiled!

[cyan gust]

The crystals falling

[spark lance]

that's why its censored in general and not here, right?
why would a moth be snoopin in the special beta section

also what's the new update like i haven't tested today

[woeful obsidian]

I didn't see any changes at all

[maiden pond]

If you want my take on the crawling/knocked down system, here is what I think. It's a nice idea and adds to the whole vulnerability aspect of when you're hurt, and while it's nice to know that you are not invincible to everything, even now as you can't defend yourself against Dark Dragons, I think the approach needs to be reworked and tweaked so that even new and old players alike feel that it is fair for both sides. In general, I think all that the system needs is some kind of invulnerability when getting up, but only when getting up, since the animation is so slow now. Just another one of my ideas.

It needs to have some kind of way to at least to be able to be fair for both solo players and multiple players, as well as moths and veterans alike.

[hushed arch]

ah yes. my favorite bit of sky lore, "rocks bad" /j

[spark lance]

0.18.5 is about summer right?

[spark lance]

technically isn't the skykid a rock with just some light in it?

[queen river]

the season won’t be in beta forever though? if it goes live then why would discussion remain in the beta channels
i think the frustration/confusion comes from the season being one huge spoiler, and having to spoil every thing about the season
just my opinion tho ^^

[maiden pond]

Also, I think the season cutscene should not be shown to players who have not yet completed Eden, it would make sense, and then the cutscene could play after they complete Eden?

[spark lance]

completely valid opinion
that being said the shattering season happens still OUTSIDE of eden, the only things you really get is that the shards and eruption is coming from eden, not what's going on inside of eden, uknow?
(is also only accessible if you've completed vault but imo they should've made it that you at least pass eden once but that would be a lil unfair)

[maiden pond]

The problem is that during the season introduction, it shows what's inside Eden.

[hushed arch]

i. completely forgot about that until you mentioned it

[spark lance]

IT DOES?? for my season introduction all i got was a white screen

[maiden pond]

From what I watched from the testers here and nastymold, yes.

[queen river]

i agree, as someone who’s been playing sky for over 2 years now, i just thought that making things harder was the wrong way to make things interesting to me, because ultimately it would still be the same thing over and over, just more frustrating

[astral trellis]

yayyyy they returned the call recharging

[hushed arch]

that's what's inside eden :troll:

[spark lance]

true, i've played since enchantment and all i really wanted was more story instead of vague lore (or from what my pea brain can comprehend) but i don't mind the difficulty increase

[astral trellis]

p sure it either is or will be a season only available to people who have already completed eden? i think
ok it SHOULD be

[queen river]

ohhh yeah that’s true
i agree

[maiden pond]

In the season of shattering introduction, it starts off by showing the point of no return section where the statues are, and now have unique poses. It zooms up to a Sky kid's statue holding the other Sky kid's statue as an emotional tribute to what Eden offers.

[hushed arch]

i would also love more lore of any kind but this season seems to give. like. nothing to that
almost as if the only reason it exists is to make money and give people a reason to play, and this is a test to see if seasons can still be successful without adding any emotional value to the game..
(though this could always change ofc)

[queen river]

ok i’m going to bed now
good night beta testers

[spark lance]

i want more eden lore im a hungry theorist i need story!!
my favorite thing about the eden update though is the new statues, they made me cry

[hushed arch]

wait there's new statues??

[maiden pond]

TGC said they wanted to make seasons different, perhaps make it so that this season has a unique story-based unlock requirement, that being completing Eden at least once. Then, players who first complete it are introduced to the season and are now able to experience its effects.

[spark lance]

they changed their poses, some of them are huddled together in a hug, and some are on the ground and i was crying like a baby when i saw them

[woeful obsidian]

Why

[hushed arch]

nevermind that's lore enough for me and i'm going to explode

also how exactly are you supposed to finish th quests? i'm not getting any prompt to nyoom back to shardhome when i do the burning stuffs

[woeful obsidian]

Stay this shards permanently? After season end? Daily, or just once in a week? Or once in month event?

[maiden pond]

I think the right thing to do to prevent new players from being spoiled by the season's introduction is to at least have an in-game inbox message sent to accounts that have yet to complete Eye of Eden and inform them that in order to access the new season, they must complete Eden first. However, the option to buy the pass should still be there should they get interested before experiencing Eden.

[astral trellis]

i wonder too bc i literally still have no idea

[fallow glacier]

Nice, so when do we get statues doing piggyback stack, meditating to try get back home, or covering their ears from their friends spam honking like players?

[spark lance]

i talked abt this yesterday as well
so apparently some shards are wax (like the ones in prairie)
those shards were black, im not sure if it was a bug or not,
but the shards that have memories have a quest prompt once you finish burning them, they're red and glittery 👀
they also have a yellow thing inside

[hushed arch]

mk! is it just, impossible to complete quests today then or

i am going to explode

[spark lance]

prairie has no funky shards

[eternal night]

[spark lance]

i hope the spirits get a new statue too

[spice mason]

Gamers is it true the new endless rock rain section is like touhou

[nova bay]

What is touhou 👀

[whole plank]

imo, the shattering events in the main path are designed to not negatively impact daily activities and still provide a sliver of light. The shattering events in the seasonal area provide crabs and creature quests, which are difficult to complete but can complete the seasonal quests.

[vagrant fable]

Bullet hell type of game, a bunch of magical girls throw projectiles at you and you gotta dodge

[nova bay]

Hmm idk there are places to hide now and recharge but you still gotta be extremely lucky/skilled to get through. It maybe with new mechanic (if I read #beta-announcements right) you can now recharge extinguished players by deepcalling so It might have become doable. Gotta test the deepcalling as soon as my update finished loading XD

[vagrant fable]

It's because now the rocks fall in a pattern with like, spaces in between you can stand in to avoid them, like the bullets in Touhou levels

[agile hazel]

omg that's true, didn't notice

[hollow compass]

I went through Eden yesterday with a group of friends. The first part in the rock rain, after pnr, has been redesigned with new statues that have individual poses. Some are even groups of 2-3, but you still only give 1 wl to them. That part was fairly easy, since you can recharge.
The second part that was formerly the endless rock rain where you could zig zag to the various statues now makes you crawl all the way. It mostly looks silly, because you're crawling quite fast.
I went in with 153 wings and got 14 ac.

[dreamy grail]

Bug

[dreamy grail]

So it's basically just like doing eden normally but as moff height and getting bad RNG the whole phase 2 (deadzone i/ii) then?

[hollow compass]

Lol, yeah.
If TGC wants us to feel more with the changes in Eden, I don't think they succeeded. But they're also bound to fail at that, due to how Sky works anyway. I really don't understand why they keep trying to steer back to that idea, when it keeps not working over and over.

[nova bay]

Wait you crawled fast? Mine was superslow and awkward

Had to go back to nearest light to recharge and have some running speed

[gaunt frost]

Where's the shards that I can cleanse today?

[gilded parrot]

Reminder that if you are struggling to find something, please remember to submit it in #beta-feedback after asking here, as that feedback is very valuable for TGC and can help many players in Live! Make sure to check #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues as well

[dreamy grail]

Maybe TGC should make a feature like as long as you're holding someone in PNR, you won't lose wings but the second you lose all energy it should knock you both down with a small invincibility but the hands break holding and rocks don't hit anyone for a few seconds then the next time we are struck we go to shadows (no loss) then any after that we lose wings? That would be interesting ngl then it 2oild literally rely on friendship

[hollow compass]

It was fairly fast, and I kept being propelled forward by the shards falling on me. They sort of nudged me.

[agile hazel]

Calling to recharge a player who is extinguished to the point of crawling also helps to recharge the caller's energy too
Wait the deep call change was reverted?

[spark lance]

There are two acient darkness spirits now and the prices are not even in order

[agile hazel]

What do you mean the prices aren't in order?

[cosmic orchid]

They don't have to have the exact equal prices
the total is still the same

[spark lance]

Like a lower node is more expensive then a higher one

[cobalt jacinth]

Calling to recharge a player who is extinguished to the point of crawling also helps to recharge the caller's energy too
So they need more and heavier feedback on total removal of crawling ín case of a bad move in Eden to stop continuous wings shed?

[pale junco]

Tgc gave us slow crawling but kept the winglight disappearing time same

[lilac epoch]

Ran eden and noted the new changes. I still think the crawling doesn't add much interest value to the experience and that recharge potions or spells should be allowed the way they currently are in Live. The light sources further out (in the final room) don't really count for much if you can't recharge yourself either because the last light source is too far (and crawling would cost more wings) or you're running solo and dont have anyone to recharge you. I still don't see the harm in allowing items and spells in the final room.

[vital crystal]

Damn... i wrote a feedback that I didn't send because it didn't make sense but it's related to the extinguished distress signal and it's color depending on how a player was extinguished — one of it was the signal being red but now seeing it in krill calls makes me happy enough

[glass spoke]

it doesn’t make sense to you but it may make sense for the devs!!

[lilac epoch]

I sent feedback on the injured icon too. I noticed that the icon pulses rather slow and when a player nearby got injured, I had to honk a couple of times to locate them because it'a chaotic at a shard quest and it's still easy to overlook the injured icon in between pulses.

Crucially, I noticed that the injured icon appears when a player loses all light completely. In feedback, I suggested giving a bit of advanced warning because if the goal is to save a player in need then we should be able to know that they're almost dying before they actually start dropping winged lights.

[stuck rose]

Seems like they used my words from feedback ‘death loop 2.0’ but…. patch doesn’t make any sense to prevent this pain

[nova bay]

Just tested but deepcalling does not light up a player who is extinguished, you still gotta walk up to them and light them

[lilac epoch]

I must have misinterpreted the pulsing icon then, thought it was responding to my calls. Cripes, it's even worse if it doesn't - means the injured player has no choice but to hope someone sees their red tag in time

[nova bay]

Well they stated in updates that it would be the case so I’ll test some more and bug report

Any volunteers? XD

[cosmic schooner]

maybe if tgc wants to make our sky kid crawl slowly when estinguished they should also make the statues in eden closer in general?

[lilac epoch]

I can die for the sake of testing haha but I'll be online in a few more hours, still at the office.

[lilac epoch]

Oooh that's a good one. To feedback!

[cobalt jacinth]

My beta feedback:

Hi!

In what does it make Sense to you and players to make Eden longer?

Those few added light sources in Eden compensate nothing if a user can't reach them without additional wings shedding. Did you ever try to calculate how many moth players will stop playing the game for good after their first Eden run? This will make TGC loose a lot of potential buyers.

Adding crawling in Eden makes sense only in the same logic as if you guys throw out your PCs and buy slower ones because it adds to the sense and beauty of apps loading and processing time.

Please remove crawling completely.
(A continuous light shed - unable to get cover - video and my Friends meme from screenshots beta attached)

[lilac epoch]

I totally see where you're coming from. I'm not a fan of the crawling too. The devs have been making adjustments to it though so there's a bit of progress there. I'd prefer not to crawl at all to be honest, but if the devs wanna keep it, I'm hoping that they at least adjust the speed of it. Even with the latest changes, it's still too slow for me.

[regal elk]

rip for moths tbh (new players specifically )

[cobalt jacinth]

Those small adjustments mean they are still keeping something which all in all has no sense and no one likes. How to pass the last krill if a moth makes a bad move?

[lilac epoch]

Ikr, 3-5 ACs from an entire run lmao ouch

[agile hazel]

They could just easily limit crawling to just pnr. No reason for it to be outside of Eden if the point is to add 'experience' to Eden

[lilac epoch]

It's a process. Feedback and adjustments take time.I don't enjoy it either, sent multiple feedback msgs about removing it. I guess we just need to keep sending more feedback and hope that they remove it. If not, I'm still hopeful that they adjust the speed at the very least.

[whole plank]

It's true. more than half of the players I friended in Live's PNR stopped having their constellation stars light up the next day. and this will get worse.

[cosmic schooner]

what is pnr?

[lilac epoch]

Point of no return in eden

[cobalt jacinth]

What's really infuriating is that instead of making something challenging, players suffer for "art reasons".

[lilac epoch]

What's funny to me is the theory that the crawling is supposed to make things "realistic". Bruh, can you fly irl? Can you shoot waves of light out of your body by shouting? Ahaha the "realistic" theory doesn't apply to a game that is based on fantasy and lore.

[rustic leaf]

If they want to have us crawl for art's sake, then the dying animation can be stretched out longer right? 😅 instead of just a bit of staggering and reaching out

[cyan gust]

Anyone know where the valley twins hair went???

[pure tapir]

In real life I couldn’t crawl! My knees are damaged 🫠

But talking about reality, when you been hit and fall off to the floor you search the way to stand up quickly no matter what.

[cobalt jacinth]

As a tester it would be great to read #beta-known-issues frequently

[lilac epoch]

Same with my anke, messed it up doing sports in highschool

[cyan gust]

That only addresses seasonal nothin yet on regular

[cosmic schooner]

heres my attempt for feedback, what do u guys think?

i have a suggestion! i think crawling would feel better if the statues in eden are easier and closer to reach, and if eden in general is smaller. you would be able to get good amount of statues and crawling won't disturb the gameplay. though i still think the crawling feature outside of eden should be removed because it it would be tedious to only be able to rely on other's help and to not be able to help yourself

[cobalt jacinth]

True seems like another (or extended) bug they didn't notice

[cyan gust]

True

[cobalt jacinth]

Would be great but I don't think they will rearrange Eden in less than 30 days. Your feedback fully makes sense

[cyan gust]

I submitted a report for the 3rd time now

[stuck rose]

Crawling does make sense if you loose like… um.. last 10 wings

[cyan gust]

Truuuueeeee

[spark lance]

ok, i give up, wheres the shard, i just need 1 ac for the ts

[gilded parrot]

Hello beloved citizens! Skybot here to remind you all that if you are having trouble finding something in Beta, please submit that to TGC in #beta-feedback! You may ask here if you are struggling, but together we can help many Live skykids have a great experience Remember to check #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues as well!

[cosmic schooner]

thanks! yeah i guess they should just completely remove crawling entirely for now

[spark lance]

i checked wind paths, treehouse, grandma, got nothing

[stuck rose]

I mean just after one wl loose you will be unable to move or escape from other danger
I still remember the common problem among enchantment moths… they did fly to ark boat and fall into polluted water…. And endless loosing wings begins

[agile hazel]

Yeah, crawling if you're on low wings makes more sense, both gameplay and experience wise. Maybe 15-20 wl

[carmine thorn]

Or what would make sense is to not make us lose 5 WL each red rock hit in Eden if they make us painstakingly crawl to the nearest light source and possibly get hit 15 times in the process

[dreamy grail]

Wait has the shortcut routes been patched entirely in eden?!!
(I haven't been in over a month)

[scarlet moon]

Exactly. Too much frustration on trying to make sure i can properly give my wings takes away from the emotional immersion of Eden to me. I end up focusing too much on trying not to lose light.

[sand rune]

Oh man we back to the drained light slow walking again

[carmine thorn]

I haven't tested oob shortcuts, but the flying ones still work. (Flying above the first two rock areas and flying up the pipe.)

[dreamy grail]

Oh, DO NOT GET EXTINGUSHED IN DARK WATER, OR SAY HELLO TO LIMBO-!!!
I tried getting extingushed for the dark manta cape look and then 12 wings spewed out in like 2 seconds

[spark lance]

oh the shard is near the temple

hey guys, my friend is really wanting to catch this traveler, but he only has 1 Eden candle how can he get an candle from Eden without going to Eden?

[agile hazel]

Yep, next to the whale skeleton

[agile hazel]

Well lucky for your friend, there's brand new Shard Event™️

[lilac epoch]

The glitch in the 2nd room through the rock wall still works, I used it a few hours ago.

[agile hazel]

Got 2 AC from shard today, that's 19 AC so far this week

[spark lance]

i got 2

[lilac epoch]

If your friend is playing in the Live game, I don't know a way other than Eden to get ACs. If the friend is playing in Beta, they can try the shard quest for ACs.

[pure tapir]

The today shard event near the forest temple gives one AC

[viscid marten]

still no fix for the crawling in eden...

[spark lance]

Updoooot

[agile hazel]

You mean the one from earlier today?

[spark lance]

celena pfp

[scarlet hemlock]

at the broken temple in forest

[pure tapir]

Is there another shard besides the one near the forest temple today?

[lilac epoch]

Finally, a fix for the treehouse crash (see latest update). Need mah wingsss

[agile hazel]

Only place that hasn't been checked is underground

[spark lance]

Discord just showed me the update message, even though I've already updated the game

[quiet cliff]

Hmmmm not sure. I know this way , I fly there but don’t see a pipe ?

[viscid marten]

just downloaded beta feeling good

[spark lance]

Yes

[quiet cliff]

Welcome to madness

[carmine thorn]

The pipe is a different area. The one with two krills pathing around it. With enough wings and a recharge prop, you can scale that pipe easily. Maybe I should have reworded the list.

[viscid marten]

oh I've been in this madness for well over a year now, this is just a new phone that's why

[quiet cliff]

Ha ha ahhhh my bad ! I did think “ hold on did I miss new invites “ x

[viscid marten]

oh well I was quite lucky, i just caught a random empty spot it seems

[quiet cliff]

Oh yes I know what your talking about now !

[scarlet hemlock]

do you mean the path at the right temple ?, If yes, they fixed it

[quiet cliff]

I want an alt in beta also as waiting on iOS wave ! Just makes life easier to play two accounts !

[viscid marten]

yes, but it's better not to take up two spots in beta as it is for testing

[quiet cliff]

True true ! But I’m cheeky and put in double reports lol

[spark lance]

wow i wish i was as lucky as you, i’ve been camping on beta invites since july and i finally got it on abyss , it is worth it

[leaden monolith]

hey, is it a thing not being able to go home once you have no light now? got cornered by a mad crab and it kept attacking me and i couldn't go home and was in an endless loop of not being able to move and not being able to go home but kept being attacked so I kept losing wls (i was alone). i had to exit the game to end the loop and didn't manage to finish the quest 🤡

[dreamy grail]

Phew that's good then ^^

[viscid marten]

maybe I'm really lucky then, cause I've caught 3 random invites so far, and 3 invite waves

[quiet cliff]

My fav route wowzer I keep getting wax

[quiet cliff]

3 ? You have 3 ? Are you Irish ☘️

[cosmic orchid]

I got another update ping
why

[quiet cliff]

Praise the powers that be ! Lord knows what I’ll do when they patch that as I have never walked to Eden ! Ever

[nocturne dew]

This crawling mechanic is just another in the long list of QOL failures. Radar honk nerfed. Afk timer. Now a new mechanic that makes Sky infuriating instead of relaxing. Ugh. Losing faith yet again. If this comes to live I feel awful for the newer player base. Another disappointment.

[trim glen]

I hope this isn’t true. This is disturbing if so 😱

[quiet cliff]

It’s true !

[dreamy grail]

They have patched a few routes last time I'd gone, annoyingly
The old route going to the far right I'd patched so you either skip tunnel WL or you clip into a clip spot in the clouds to take you into PNR

[nocturne dew]

And yes I put my thoughts in feedback. In a much longer and more thoughtful way. Just wanted to chime in here as well and say this is straight up depressing. I love Sky but I’m starting to see a time limit to that love….

[agile hazel]

You mean the oob where you land by that small patch of water? That worked for me on Monday, though that was two updates ago

[leaden monolith]

idk, i couldn't open my menu once i lost my light;; i especially bought a bunch of recharge potions to heal myself as i have no friends LOL but i couldn't use any of them. so i just died slowly, locked in place crawling until i closed the game

[trim glen]

Whyyyyyyy I do not understand why TGC is doing all this.

[dreamy grail]

Huh weird, I tried it in live and beta and had a barrier around the diamond causing the beacon for some reason

[quiet cliff]

I’m sure it’s not intentional to cause a pain they come up with bright ideas and elaborate in imaginations then get us to test it to see if it’s possible as testers feedback saying sort this not doing that don’t put that in live oh yeah we love it it’s excellent I wanna tweak it on the live game

[trim glen]

I feel there will be a mass exodus from Sky if all these changes go to live

[terse yarrow]

Playing game to escape the reality, then the game send us back to more struggling reality

[nocturne dew]

If I wanted to be angry and torture myself with a tedious, rage inducing game I would just play Dark Souls. :/ I really hope this crawling mechanic is severely reduced by say, only kicking in when a player has 10 WL or less, and only in Eden. There is nothing emotional this mechanic induces in me except for unmitigated anger and frustration.

[quiet cliff]

I here you but that comment is waisted here you should copy it and post it in feedback !

[agile hazel]

Diamond? Are you using a different route?

[broken fractal]

Lmao, beta update is at 6:27 am but I got the ping at 3:02 pm 😂 (in my place)

[terse yarrow]

When you fly up from dark water, there is a barrier prevent you from entering pnr message zone.

[nocturne dew]

Personally I hope they abandon this crawling mechanic altogether. No offense to the person who thought of it. It’s creative. But it’s not conductive to actual gameplay. Just add it in the very last sequence of dying in Eden. That’s where the emotional impact counts. Making it an actual gameplay mechanic is ridiculous.

[quiet cliff]

I@ confused ! Correct me if I’m wrong old flight to PNR thru crack fly right in clouds land on patch of water fly up ! New way I fly thru crack fly up stay left on edge of clouds land on flat rock where the yellow light used to be ?

[scarlet hemlock]

I go to Eden with 2 newbie, they die before reach the temple because the crawling mechanic, right after enter round 2, they lost wings non-stop. So frustration

[naive solar]

i got the ping recently and i thought it was a dm from sagomay lmao

[trim glen]

Yes this exactly. I don’t ply Sky for fear or frustration or whatever they are trying to go for with this season. I play Sky to feel better and relax. Sky honestly helped me get through the pandemic in 2020, idk what I would have done without it. I really hate the changes and direction they have implemented with this new season, and if they are adamant about it then I hope it’s fleeting and only lasts this season, but I fear they have it in mind that a lot of this will be permanent 🥺

[coral cosmos]

where do shards fall in forest? i thought one was supposed to fall before the gate & in treehouse but they haven't

[quiet cliff]

Sky helped me and most of my family ( that I couldn’t see ) during the pandemic … my mother of 63 still plays live with me ! Now she won’t cope with all this scary frustrating crab stuff …. She’s been playing live a long time and still won’t do Gw without me

[nocturne dew]

Same. I’ve been playing since launch in 2019 and I’ve already endured every QOL failure they have thrown at me and kept going. Introduced countless friends to it, my sister, and partners. While I like the cosmetics and the otherwise sort of interesting gameplay of this season I also don’t like how intensely dark it is. It’s kinda depressing.

[hollow compass]

@pure tapir Replying here. Yes and no. I did stand up for the photo taking animation, but then went back to crawling.

[agile hazel]

Broken Bridge

[eternal dragon]

I have a question.Is the current test qualification already finished?🥺I really want to join there…

[quiet cliff]

Check out beta invites!

[trim glen]

It is oppressive atmosphere and depressing along with anxiety inducing. This isn’t what Sky is about to me. Idk and I don’t understand why they are forcing this on us. And I feel like there has been a lack of communication from TGC about their vision for all this and why they feel like moving things in this direction. I especially can’t get on board with such drastic shifts when I don’t understand their larger purpose and vision. It makes me feel like they are just throwing spaghetti at a wall to see what happens.

[nocturne dew]

And while we haven’t seen all the seasonal quests yet this season is also lacking…a story. Like…a few cutscenes are cool and all and the new rooms with all the creatures captured mid flight look very impressive and haunting. But what exactly is the story?? There are no spirits for me to really connect with, to hear this story. It’s just all “oh no darkness is falling better go handle it!” ….it just doesn’t have the same impact of a regular season and while I appreciate something new - I think they really missed the mark with this one. There is nothing making me want to buy a season pass for this season other than the cosmetics and I don’t think those will be worth it at the end. I’ve never missed finishing a season but this is one I can see myself just..giving up on. It’s too much. It’s not enjoyable.

[fair current]

idk either, searched everywhere and didn't find any shard.

[gilded parrot]

Beta testers' feedback is very important for TGC to create a good player experience! Please try searching for things yourself when possible, and remember to submit your thoughts in #beta-feedback so the devs know how to improve after getting an answer here Remember to read all of #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues too in case it's mentioned there!

[eternal dragon]

I checked,but I can't find the link…

[quiet cliff]

You have a very good point and I know I feel the same as you on this …. But we ALL need to put this in feedback ! Otherwise it’s not going to help them make their changes! Unless there’s a TGC STAFF member in the convo right now !

[dreamy grail]

Nope, there was a border line, however it may have been a bug during an update. I haven't been to eden for a while so I'll need to check back then

[ashen tusk]

That's not entirely true, before the first 0.18.0 tgc did indeed announce in #beta-announcements some of the reasoning for approaching this season and the changes.

[eternal dragon]

I'll check it again…😭

[tropic radish]

I have to admit, this game was relaxing untill i saw what prophecy had in store. After that i had a feeling that sky isn't going to be as laid back as usual anytime soon.
The TLP season was basically scratching the surface of that dark element, abyss has started to dig in, and shattering is now drilling it intensely

I kind of just, expect it now,
And the rating on google play store comforts me regarding it. Mild violence, mild fear, so on.

[trim glen]

I agree. Exactly and it makes me sad. This game means so much to me. There really isn’t anything like Sky - or the Sky that is in live rn. There are so many games about fear and darkness and violence and death. This game was always about rebirth and hope for me and the development of your ‘self’ and the connections with those around you. This new season is so antithetical to all of that imo. Just really makes me sad and makes Sky less unique and more like all the other dark frustrating violent games out there.

[stuck rose]

There are no invites until more testers needed

[nocturne dew]

Yeah I haven’t seen much talk from TGC at all on this and they’ve already talked about this new mechanic before it even started testing in beta. Makes me wonder if they even care how we feel about this sort of season. I know a lot of players wanted something “darker” but…did we not JUST have Abyss??? That was also a darker season. Idk it’s just too much. There’s nothing so far that I like about anything from this season besides the cosmetics and the cosmetics could easily be had with a better story. Maybe even the story about HOW the kingdom of Sky fell. Gimme two previously unknown elders - one light one dark. Tell me about their struggle and disagreement. That sounds far more gripping. This stuff just feels like a chore. I don’t envision getting a pass for this season or even playing all that much.

[trim glen]

I’ve submitted a lot of feedback at this point. What I need right now is a support group. It’s perfectly reasonable to have discussions here. That’s what this channel is for.

[tropic radish]

The lore kids were hungry for snacks, but TGC serves a whole feast

[nocturne dew]

But what exactly is the feast of lore in this season?? I don’t even know what it’s about besides “light and dark both exist in Sky now go get knocked around by crabs while you burn stuff lol”. Where is the lore….?

[gilded parrot]

Reminder that if you are struggling to find something, please remember to submit it in #beta-feedback after asking here, as that feedback is very valuable for TGC and can help many players in Live! Make sure to check #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues as well

[tropic radish]

I personally love this seasons concept ( not as a whole...just yet) because it manages to express how dangerous Eden actually is ( visually ) in the storytelling compartment. Everything else seems lacking rn ( including quests )
new buffed eden still sucks :(

Feast of lore ?
Theory-loving skykids feed on them. I've seen a handful beg for more lore and/or story regarding eden
But for me it's not really appetizing. I only ate a chunk www

[nocturne dew]

But lore isn’t just “omg Eden so dangerous ooooo spooky!!!” That’s all we have so far. There’s nothing even hinting in this season that it will be more than that.

[trim glen]

Yes well I found what they said to be a cursory trail of bread crumbs tbh. I want to know what they see for the future of Sky if this sort of atmosphere and direction is what they are fostering. I need to know whether or not I’m going to continue giving them money in live and buying IAP, because if they want this to become a dark and somber universe then I can just find that for free irl.

[tropic radish]

If this seasons effect goes away once it ends, no more shards falling and Eden exploding every few seconds, it would've left a better impact imo

About the lore part, that's what I've heard people chant here and there
I think of this season as a reoccurring event. Very tempted to drop some here but i might just stray away from the point

[nocturne dew]

And also if they wanted it to be more impactful they could have old this story of Eden and it’s dangers by giving us SPIRITS who are remember how Eden was formed/destroyed etc and what led to how it is as we know it today. That would give us an emotional and lore heavy story without all this unmitigated frustration. And yeah. I’m with you on this Darkmoon. Sky is my escape from reality. If I want darkness all I have to do is step outside or read the news. :/ I really don’t like this new season at all so far. It feels wrong. Straight up.

Holy crap I really hope this shards falling and Eden exploding mechanic goes away. If this is permanent and not ONLY tied to this season I am 10000% done with Sky for good. I’m not tolerating that chaos. Period.

[coral kite]

anyone want to join me in writing an essay about why this season needs serious work and why they need to revert damage mechanics

[tropic radish]

Aye, To each their own ^^)
I understand, even if i don't agree with it

Istg if TGC drops a wholesome season after this, then dark, then light, then I'm gonna disitengrate/j

Would love to join the essay writing, but my brain deflated from exams already sjfnnd

[rain gyro]

Keep in mind a lot of this stuff is still in BETA, so it's possible spirits for this season are to be a thing considering all the items given to us.
But I would imagine the general vision here is to "differentiate this season from all the others" by not including spirits. I guess.

[trim glen]

I don’t think it’s clear yet if they intend all this to be permanent or just confined to this season. I agree as well if it’s a percent thing then idk if I’ll continue playing like I do now either.

[nocturne dew]

I think it’s safe to say it will not be including spirits. It’s too late for that. They have never changed something that drastically in beta before and they have already hyped up to the moon how “different omg” this season will be.

[rain gyro]

Fair enough, but it seems strange to include such personality-driven Cosmetics with no intended characters behind them, in my eyes

[terse yarrow]

Anyone remember when we start losing wl as soon as being extinguished ?

[tropic radish]

The most special mechanic i think is the changing atmosphere. That's it

The orbs are nice, but they lack emotes. That's not special, that's just different

Cause In some way, potentially in the future, we could actually get a proper day/night cycle for every realm

[trim glen]

If they want to keep this then it should be with something like the Halloween event. I can see something like this being part of that to add a bit of spooky 👻 to that season but just having this all the time constantly is too oppressive.

[nocturne dew]

Even if the spirits they included didn’t have emotes or items and just the void has them that would be fine. But stil I just can’t see getting this story without some kind of spirit presence. Just skykids??? I know it’s supposed to be different but…it’s different in a way that is no longer enjoyable.

[trim glen]

Yes exactly which is why it’s such a let down and there is such a lack of story.

[rain gyro]

Fair enough. It's possible maybe there was an intended story in mind that got pushed aside? Idk.
It's clear they're trying to invoke some sorta meaning with the weird shadow realm/dream state that the floating orbs are kept in anyway.

Which on its own is strange, but my take from that is that maybe the cosmetics given to us are simply from elder skykids from dark and light, but given to us as these broken up spirits

[nocturne dew]

Yeah. And I LIKE those places. I think they are super cool and creative. I just don’t have any idea WHY I am seeing them or what their significance is….

[rain gyro]

Yeah the storyline/shard quest line feels incredibly tedious... And not 100% clear to go through.

[trim glen]

Imo this whole thing wasn’t ready yet and fully enough thought out. I have in the past and I especially feel now that too many ppl at TGC don’t actually play their own game, at least with any frequency to really understand it from the player’s perspective.

[ashen tusk]

I imagine this season is to fulfil a lot of the feedback requests for something darker and more eden oriented, I can't tell you the amount of players I've come across who have desperately wanted an "eden season" and whilst I agree this season is lacking in lore and the new mechanics are frustrating, I can also acknowledge that the devs have been dropping by and actively taking our feedback from us about our frustrations and implementing changes as they can - the adjustments of eden from the first build until now is evidence of that. I agree there's probably still a lot they can tweak and to spare chat of a text wall I'll send it in feedback later. But I don't think the claims of tgc not listening or caring or trying to actively turn this game into something dark and depressing and raging inducing isn't exactly a fair characterisation. I also imagine that this dark theme will last for this season and then we'll probably get something more healing again, especially with the feedback so far, tgc are very aware of how many players use sky as a haven of comfort and although it's just an assumption, I imagine they have considered how we can return to healing sky after a destructive season like this.

My hopes are that we get more lore to explain why the eruption occurred and more varied quests, I think so far the changes to the new mechanic and eden, that are ongoing even now, are something we can continue to feedback on and help refine.

[cunning trench]

I think, if we want more lore, it is inevitable to have these dark changes. I mean we do have a dark past as a skykid. But with this season, with the seasonal quests too.. they just did a poor delivery in giving us those. everything doesn't make any sense.

[rain gyro]

I'll bite my tongue and keep in mind this is still in BETA, but it's certainly.. unlike previous seasons to not even give us more than even a morsel of 'story'

[nocturne dew]

Agree with this 100%. It’s like they wanna introduce all these groundbreaking never before seen in Sky things but…it’s falling short. I have so little motivation to even beta test right now cus this entire season is just so depressing and weird and directionless.

[cunning trench]

the "leaving it into your own imagination" is starting to feel like they don't know the story too hahahaha jkjk

oh god I thought I edited not replied.

[nocturne dew]

Because nobody is TELLING the story. A story needs a storyteller. A cast. Not just an audience…

[rain gyro]

It feels way too broad for a game that already has a lot of pretty straight forward stories in various seasons, to just throw that in like it'll draw everybody in.
It's a lil too niche

[lilac epoch]

I just really need to know why Eden went kaboom so my daily suffering makes a bit more sense

[terse yarrow]

Not only you. At some points i feel like they insert cool ideas without aware of connection between them.

[ashen tusk]

I'ma have to tap out of the discussion for now, so if anybody replies to me and I don't in return I'm not ignoring it!

Have a good day everyone!

I think all concerns are valid right now, and tgc are definitely welcoming of feedback so remember to drop by there if you haven't already. But let's try to remember this is still beta and we still have plenty of time for testing and feedback to help shape the season, so don't lose all hope.

[rain gyro]

Yes yes, there should be some patience afterall, I will give credit to TGC it's something new
The challenge in eye of Eden is cool, but a bit much

[spark lance]

I hope this means we'll finally have a long season break that we deserve bcz this beta testing is definitely not ready to be out in live yet

[cunning trench]

that's why I think a direct narrative like they did in TLP is effective in doing changes like this. if they want to tell more story. I also do not understand a lot of things if they just give a "hint".

[tropic radish]

It all comes back to lack of season direction, yeah ?

[terse yarrow]

Tbh, the most welcomed feature i have is the white candle recharge so fast. Make life easier with friends on your back

[rain gyro]

I will say I'm kinda upset that them taking away the krill cape makes no sense tho Like where did it go-

[tropic radish]

I think that's a bug
Cause there's not ultimates shown in the shards tree D:

[trim glen]

I can agree with this - Sky does have a dark past. And I’m ok with exploring that if there is actually a story it will tell me about Sky. This is just taking all the parts of eden that really don’t mean much - mostly game mechanics aspects - and doubling down on those. Making things more difficult for nothing more than difficulty’s sake. I need more than a breadcrumb trail to get me on board with this. I understand TGC has said they want things to be ambiguous and mysterious and to leave a lot of the details of story to the individual players but this season is different and I think they need to take a stronger hand in the storytelling here and give us more details of that.

[rain gyro]

Ah! I see, thank u for clarifying
But also even then the cape doesn't show up in the cape listings either, so you can test how it looks, which confuses me

[muted valve]

Hello, everyone. I want to know when the test clothes will be issued with new qualifications. I really want to play

[cunning trench]

I saw somewhere that the memories could come back in different forms. sometimes it's a spirit, but could be a thing that holds the memory like now it's a shard... but they didn't make clarification regarding this. no story could be seen between the quest giver atm and the quests

[spark lance]

oh what's beta talking abt this time?

[spark lance]

Sky live version is always available for everyone. And everything in beta will eventually come to live ver. If you really want to try playing sky, i recommend trying live

[trim glen]

It’s all kind of a mess currently imo and we only have about 20ish more days of Performance in live, so I too hope they take more time to sort this out. If they want to do something new and different they should take the necessary time to do it right.

[cunning trench]

the lack of story in this season again we need more

[muted valve]

What is live? I don't know. It's my first time to send a message here

[spark lance]

that's what im saying
i like the new season so far but id like more explanation in the memories in story 🤔
there's not that much lore in the game to begin with from what i can tell
(picture images hardly count btw)

[cunning trench]

do you think they'll push this season in live after the latest season? I'm worried

[echo mason]

👀
👄

Are there prices for rainbow headphones

[coral kite]

Day 5 of reporting the valley crash bug ive been experiencing since the season dropped, after every build, until tgc fixes it
Now it's spread to forest

[echo mason]

[trim glen]

Yes we will be getting some sort of Seaon of the Shard in live in July

[mild hollow]

Well why i always enter a empty space after meditate memory 🥲 It doesn’t show ‘complete’ for the quest 😩

[spark lance]

There are two versions of Sky game. Sky that is available for everyone, we call it live version.
You can download the game right away.
This channel is for Beta version of Sky, where testers talk and discuss about the game upcoming features. And Beta version is limited, a person can only download Sky beta when game developers need more tester

[gilded parrot]

📱iOS/Android: Learn about the sign-up process and how to get notified when invites happen in #beta-faq!
Switch: The Switch Beta testing period has ended with Live launch. All future content testing will be conducted on Mobile only.

[spark lance]

For the new season I was waiting a big history like it was season of dreams. They made a season about the dark creatures, with a dark atmosphere but what the history behind it? I love the cosmetics and and the new rooms, but what the purpose? they missed a great opportunity to tell when everything got corrupted.

[dreamy grail]

I think this season will be announced at the last week or just as testing ends in beta

pfftt "The Current" also known as the Eden second zone theme started playing in my full sky ost playlist

[cunning trench]

will they be able to adjust this? story fill-ins. and quests too if they'll really give us new mechanic in game hehe

[dreamy grail]

Or explaining/hinting at the whole eden explosion lore, and the downfall of the PNR diamond

[muted valve]

OK, thank you. I thought live was the third version of the server. Because I only have official service, I also want to play the test service and experience the new season ahead of time

[trim glen]

I really think this should have been the season out around Halloween. It would have just fit that time of year so much better. And imo they could have gotten away with it being just atmospherically dark with no story because of the time of year

[spark lance]

i feel like the season feels a little bit like a nothing burger right now
but it can always get story after and they're just focusing on testing the mechanics!

[muted valve]

I heard that there will be new test clothing qualification in the middle or end of July. I don't know if it's true

[spark lance]

I'm extremely worried for the state of Sky:COTL once the changes to avatar damage roll around.

Crawling around while you're ||dying in Eden|| horribly humiliating and very, very demotivating. I would lose all of my motivation to invest money or time into Sky:COTL.

I really, really hope the devs know what they're doing. I hope even more that it's exclusive to this season. I understand deep calls not rekindling knocked out players, but ouch...

[dreamy grail]

Any of you guys tried the blue flight suit with Jelly cape? I just got the jelly cape earlier and just thought "what would suit the cape besides rally pants?", Has anytime tried the blue pants with the cape?

[agile hazel]

I wouldn't mind that at all, but there's no communication from TGC, so we know nothing sadly

[cunning trench]

the "event" is more fitting for it

[trim glen]

My issue with this is that like with past seasons, when there have been mechanics issues that’s all that they were really able to focus on before launch in live so story and other aspects got short changed.

[spark lance]

i believe they changed the calls back didn't they? so they light players again

[spark lance]

I'm worried about the crawling mechanic. That didn't need to be returned to be honest.

[spark lance]

I wish you good luck, invitations to be beta testers were usually very random and unpredictable.

[cunning trench]

I was hoping they would give story in quests but now that many are done with the 4th one...

[nocturne dew]

I personally also really dislike them nerfing deep call to relight other players. It seems pointless and is only useful for shoe horning in their awful new mechanic of crawling. What happens when you’re only with one friend and both of you are extinguished?? The whole thing is incredibly frustrating. Just ANOTHER QoL failure.

[trim glen]

Yes. Exactly this.

[spark lance]

i don't understand what people mean when they say the crawling state is humiliating and de-motivating though,
i understand that it makes you feel sorry, but it makes me more eager to find a light source and try again, right??

I hate how it works. Dramatic, emotional, yes. But it makes you pathetically slow and I don't see how ||completing Eden|| would be possible once implemented. Even with a lot of WL.

[spark lance]

To me who does not always hv the luxury of a lot of time, i rather do things quickly and efficiently. Quick death rather than slow dying and less result

[spark lance]

well i completed eden with it, and the only way to technically complete eden is to die anyways, is it not?

[muted valve]

Thank you for your blessing. I also hope to be qualified for development in the middle or end of July. Let's not talk about it. I have to go to the map. Bye

[cunning trench]

it's hard to light them up close when your skykid is sliding in valley and not stopping properly in beside the kid

[spark lance]

People will not be able to complete Eden having saved all available statues.
Veterans and new players will find it frustrating and demotivating to complete Eden.

[keen dawn]

How long does it take before the shards appear at a specific location?

[trim glen]

Unfortunately not for me. And now the end after death cut scenes are slower. Which is maddening. I long for a skip button for that whole thing after you die. I can understand making everyone go though that the first time but yes like was said i don’t have time for all that and would be nice to be able to skip to the end where you collect AC.

[spark lance]

ahh now i get it
i guess if i was forced to be 5x slower id want to quit too, but i guess i was being a little too optimistic

[scarlet hemlock]

but where is the light source, if you is the only one in eden and still no light them up? I did and crawling non-stop, so finally I give up and let the sky kid stand there and dying. Because ghost so slowly

[gilded parrot]

I ate it

[spark lance]

You are pathetically slow when you are knocked down. I may not have access but I have seen gameplay of players trying their hearts out to complete Eden while crawling, only to die before even getting close to the final 10 statues. Even at 150+ WL.

[nocturne dew]

This exactly yes. I have maybe an hour to an hour and a half to play after work every day to do quests and run maybe one realm and visit either geyser or granny. That’s it. I’m an adult with no extra time on my hands. The few times every couple months I might take friends through Eden is an extra couple of hours for the weekend. And with this new crawling mechanic that’s even more pointless. I don’t want to return to Eden multiple times per week just to get every statue. That’s way too tedious. It makes Eden not even worth running even with a lot of stars.

[scarlet hemlock]

They add a lot of light in the storm, but who will light it for you? No one and you so slowly to die, so slowly to hug then yes, long slowly journey to fly to reborn

[spark lance]

They won't be able to make eden an emotional experience bcz it relates so much to a currency. With new friendship levels very expensive and all, ppl will hv to go to eden. The end result could be: I'd still go but not very often, or I wouldn't progress any new friendship with anyone.
This being a social game, it's kinda funny doing this

[cunning trench]

I think the crawling thing would be more effective "emotional" to new players. and ofc not pleasant to the older ones.

( I haven't tried Eden again I'm still collecting wl )

[nocturne dew]

I think unfortunately there is not a lot of hope that they will make drastic changes before pushing this through to live. So far the only “drastic” change I’ve seen has been splitting the cosmetic trees from two to four to feel less daunting and at the end of the day that’s pretty minor. Sadly I think a lot of us will be showing our dislike for this season by withdrawing our support where TGC can actually feel it - our wallets. Unless drastic changes are made for this season I won’t be buying a pass. I’m sure a lot of people won’t be either cus that’s truly the only feedback that will tell them that we don’t want “seasons” like this.

[dapper sierra]

I can make a whole sandwich put it in the microwave and arrive back with the new Eden cutscene.

[twin isle]

The sad part is we did want a season like this, but with more lore involved. There's literally no storytelling this season. Even prophecy had more story than this with the murals.

[quiet cliff]

This veteran can say yes it’s incredibly frustrating ! However it is possible to do it you just need to stop rushing … wait listen to the rocks falling … move at tge correct moment ! Make sure there’s always a light source close by !

[nova bay]

Did I misread beta updates “calling to recharge an extinguished player will also recharge the calling player”
That implies the extinguished player will be charged too right

[trim glen]

Yes this exactly. Again the new changes are in opposition to what Sky is supposedly about at its core - building connections and community with others. The new prices are crazy and this now makes getting the AC so much more tedious and challenging. People will be demotivated to want to actually form and build the connections and community Sky is supposed to be about.

[cunning trench]

maybe it's because we're nearing 200 wl max and other players are getting bored of Eden? they're trying to adjust Eden to fit the wl count ig since it's "too easy" for some skykids (yes I know lots of skykids who wants to suffer more ig )

[spark lance]

there's so many messages i forgot what i was going to say

[quiet cliff]

You assume correct xxx

[nova bay]

Well it doesn’t work

Really hope it’s a bug and not a typo

[dapper sierra]

On a more serious note though, I’ve seen that the “free” things in the new season you need a pass which is.. sad

[twin isle]

True. I think instead of making it more difficult and punishing newer players they should just streeeetch Eden out and add length and more statues to increase ac we can get overall while still keeping the initial difficulty. Instead we are... Suffering and get less ac due to increase in difficulty

[spark lance]

my favorite thing is the butterfly hair clip its so cute!!

[nocturne dew]

At that point a better solution would be to EXTEND Eden and add MORE statues and adjust the candle forge rate (say adding max candle cap of like 16 Eden candles) instead of making an already 3 year established part of gameplay “harder” for even less result. It’s insulting.

[quiet cliff]

Really ? Ur joking ? I not been on yet ! Are you serious it don’t work ! ?

[scarlet hemlock]

It didnt work. Nothing charge, you need a light

[nova bay]

Yes just submitted bug report

[unborn prawn]

I still can't enter Eden, every time I go through the gates, the game crashes...

[nocturne dew]

Wait so ALL the cosmetics this season are AP locked???

[spark lance]

not all

[keen dawn]

Who else is stuck at quest 3? Is it still bugged even if there are updates? I've been doing the shard quests so many times and still it won't complete. I think this issue had been reported already.

[spark lance]

i feel like id rather have a sky kid from one of the rescued ones in the storm to just give us a huge exposition dumb than have no lore

[unborn prawn]

I've put it in the bug report 4 times and still no change

[stark cloud]

Tgc should spawn 100 krill, 1000 crab in the statue part of Eden if they wanted to make Eden real hard mode

[dapper sierra]

Not all of them but you do need a pass to access some of them

[spark lance]

I agree with the sentiment of changing the damage mechanic to be more emotional, but the problem is how they've chosen to implement it and how much it will damage the likelihood of making it to that final statue in Eden, even discouraging players to help eachother in the live version. Controversial opinion, but replayability is what Sky:COTL has going for it, ruining Eden by essentially crippling your ability to move through the rock rain to the point where you cannot reach the last statue may demotivate veterans and players looking to acquire AC through Eden, possibly demotivating players from playing at all for other reasons relating to this new mechanic change. AC acquirements through whatever methods TGC is thinking of could help, but Eden will always be, and likely will only be, the best way to get AC.

It feels like veterans are being punished for knowing how Eden works, which took time and learning from everyone who was learning or teaching how to excel in Eden.

It does not add any positive or intended effects. It just makes veterans and other players even angrier that they can't get through Eden's storm, even if they know what they're doing.
Intended or not, that's not very good.

[nova bay]

Sorry but if I get 4.5 AC for burning a shard I’m not gonna do Eden anymore XD

[twin isle]

Elden Eden ring

[quiet cliff]

WHAAAAAT ! Shhhhhhhhhhh ! Don’t say that !

[spark lance]

don't give them more ideas

[stark cloud]

Time to give them feedback. /j

[quiet cliff]

Sooo true !

[spark lance]

wouldn't it be fun if the more sky kid statues you lit, the more stories they'd tell you of how they personally got there?
actually that might be corny but still fun

[nocturne dew]

The only new emotional response from me with this mechanic is not anything positive….not even anything sad. Literally just anger and annoyance/frustration. Whatever they were setting out to accomplish it did not work.

[quiet cliff]

I’m constantly sending feedback ! This test season more then any of the previous ones ! Let’s have a pole ! Who here actually likes this season ?

[spark lance]

4.5 AC per shard is also very, very excessive.

[cunning trench]

I only get 1 or 2 every time

[dapper sierra]

Maybe they could be actual spirits, I’d like to see a take on that

[trim glen]

I agree with this that unfortunately I think what we have now is largely what will be pushed to live. I don’t see huge changes happening

[twin isle]

The only thing that's illicited a positive emotional response from me is the statue poses and the death animation. That's it. The crawling has only illicited rage

[spark lance]

like you know those sky kids that give you AC at the end of orbit?
one from the pile stays and tells you a story!

[cunning trench]

maybe punishing is a bit extreme here. maybe challenging?

[trim glen]

I usually only get 1, sometimes 2 AC from shard events too 😢

[nova bay]

Got it when burning the vault shard, haven’t done any other spiky crab shards yet - and yes I was very surprised at the amount and also left feedback about it. Took screenshot before and after

[nocturne dew]

Yeah I’ve only gotten 1 AC from shard events. Not even worth the trouble.

[nova bay]

why aren’t the amounts the same I wonder.

[spark lance]

1 ac for about 5 winged light

You should gain very little ascended wax from shard events. It feels unfair and ruins the value of sacrificing yourself for AC.

If you're gaining 4.5 per event, that's way, way too much.

[viscid root]

To be honest, every updates from Season of Abyss till now make me more and more disappointed. I don't know if they are really aiming to our wallets, but how they have been treating to this game just likes a man losing motivation and lacking new ideas.

I was really curious and excited when they talked and leaked informations of Season of Shattering. But now, there are only disappointments from players (actually Beta testers), not only new mechanisms or new costumes but also Eye of Eden. Hope TGC will have their mind refreshed soon

[cunning trench]

we could talk for hours if that's the case

[quiet cliff]

Me too nope not worth it at all ! I’d much rather go Eden for my 15 ac …. Ooops I mean my 6 ac now crawling on here

[nocturne dew]

I got 4 AC in Eden last time I tried it (first build from this season). Literally rage inducing. It was almost impossible to even crawl because the rocks would hit me again before reaching a light source, and just send me in an endless cycle of knocking me back/tumbling/crawling.

[spark lance]

Nevermind the process of starting the process of WLR'ing, that's stupid. It makes veterans who are guiding new players incentivize telling the new players not to do Eden when they can just do the events instead for AC.

[spark lance]

i always wanted to know, what's different from our skykid and the skykids at eden? what happens after orbit? where'd they come from truly? where's the skykids true home??

[gilded parrot]

I ate it

[quiet cliff]

Yep I have done it 3 times since first build still only manage 6 lol

[spark lance]

When i saw a player losing WLs, the new symbol made me rush to help them. But when the shard crabs attacking me too and i started to crawl & lose wings, i stopped trying to help, start panicking about my skid.
It's annoying that i couldn't collect my WL bcz the slow crawling. More rage come afterwards bcz now i hv to check all WL spots for any missing WL

[cunning trench]

just right amount if we could do shard events for 3 times a week, worth it imo

[quiet cliff]

Our sky kids are fallen stars … we have been sent down to save the other fallen stars … “ sky kids “

[spark lance]

yes but from where!!!
how did the other skykids get here to begin with? all this potential lore and they leave it there sitting

[quiet cliff]

Oh gosh I told us on the story when we were doing our trial at beginning of the game …. Far too long Ago for my old brain to remember

[viscid root]

Well, why don't TGC limit the amount of AC we can get in a week? 20 ACs every week is quite okay tho

shard event (1 candle per shard) + eden (15.5 is maximum)*

[spark lance]

the story in this game is like that really pretty shirt sitting in your closet that you wore a few times but can't find anything to wear with it so you leave it there sitting

[cunning trench]

maybe they gave a hint already we just don't know

I'm curious too. I want to see some lore but I don't want everything to be unofficial. (I got an experience like this, when the official was finally revealed it's too disappointing)

[spark lance]

i don't want another games story to be crafted on theories, have you seen scott cawthons games??

[nocturne dew]

And also every time you put it on it makes you wildly uncomfortable cus it just doesn’t look right or feel good. :((

[spark lance]

Hv you seen friendship breaks in live bcz a friend loses a WL, and this is when WLs can be quickly collected when accident happen. Idk what will happen if they decided to make injure mechanic like this while doing shard event lol

[dapper sierra]

What about hello neighbor, that went up in flames

[quiet cliff]

I just don’t know why every season has to be something new completely ! Why can’t they just expand and enhance the game as it already exists and occasionally open a new section I feel it’s all to Ambitious and rushed !

[cunning trench]

friendship break up???

[spark lance]

i know TGC has some good writers in there i can see it
why not instead of adding a season abt dancing in a theatre add a season about the story of skykids as a whole?? the game doesn't explain it well enough for me

[quiet cliff]

Think they mean handholding brakes

[trim glen]

Because TGC wants to make money 💰

So they keep churning out half baked seasons. The last good season was Dreams imo and even that only had 4 spirits

I will say flight was pretty too

[spark lance]

Some ppl got really mad bcz of the chore it represents when you lose WLs and not planning to go to eden. You have to recheck all WL spot to find that one missing WL.
Some ppl are really angry abt their wing level

[spark lance]

well those games just progressively got worst and buggy

[quiet cliff]

Exactly ! I mean I adore this game ! Honestly love it I feel they are starting to over due it you know the old saying “ too many cooks spoil the broth “

[nocturne dew]

Introducing new creatures would be nice too. And yeah extra lore. This season COULD have been an AMAZING story about how Eden came to be the state it’s in as we see it now. It could have reintroduced the Eden Prince, it could have told us HOW dark creatures came to be in Sky. It could have done SO MUCH that would have been absolutely brilliant. But no. Instead we suffer and crawl and just get “well burn stuff and then go to these mysterious rooms lol don’t ask questions that’s all you get”

[cunning trench]

oh my. that's on another level I think...

I mean getting their wl lose intentionally and accidentally are two different scenarios.. I...

[spark lance]

they could make a season about anything existing in the game i mean my favorite recent season was little prince and it had great story telling!! but that was like a year ago

I really, really hope TGC reconsiders what they're doing when it comes to the damage mechanic.

Also, you "bleed" WL when you're knocked out, right?

[quiet cliff]

Even worse if you have struggled like I do to do trials for them blinking wings …. I tend to not bother with them coz if I loose some while saving moths from krill etc the thought that could be re located in trials makes me want to hang my sky kid from the treehouse

[spark lance]

id take a season abt a winged lights journey if i could that would be so wholesome

[white latch]

season of winged bois?

[trim glen]

And that was a story that had nothing to do with Sky! It was a pre-written story completely unrelated that they shoehorned into the game

[quiet cliff]

For me the best thing about this season is this chat room , I’m friends with staff from TGC I’ll try having a friendly word

[timid basalt]

i havent been testing properly bc of work/genshin cycle, but reading all these feedback/discussions abt the changes in eden might actually make me drop the game all together

as someone who now casually plays the game compared to before, i wouldnt rly enjoy it anymore considering that it'll take more time to finish eden + wl run (i can finish eden within 30mins)

making my sky kid crawl when low wl would never make me want to help other players bc of the risk it puts me = ill pretty much always play alone

edit: gonna send this in #beta-feedback

[coral cosmos]

is there a problem w the #beta-feedback channel or is it a me problem? it says i "don't share a server with the recipient" which 🤔

[spark lance]

wouldn't it be fun if you got a season just following around a winged lights memory, seeing the history they had bc they ran from you when you tried to collect them? like a hide and seek mini game

[cunning trench]

if you have 150+ I think you're fine with not recollecting it all back.

that or I'm just lazy every time...

[quiet cliff]

Hmmm that’s odd !

[spark lance]

the grind never stops when it comes to winged light

[quiet cliff]

Unless you have WL OCD like me lol

[carmine thorn]

Never picks up realm WL unless losing a wing buff from krill/crab/afk in water Wait, people with enough wing buffs still go around and collect WL?

[scarlet hemlock]

I dont collect WL anymore cause so lazy. Even when I got hit by Krill

[quiet cliff]

I know I do I have 198 wing buffs

[nova bay]

I usually come out of Eden with more wings than I got when going in XD

[eager harness]

All the time.

[coral cosmos]

i sent the first part of my message and it went through; i guess it's just an error with the second half of it? i don't believe i used any filtered words (is there a list of words i can't use in this server? i think that might be an issue)

[spark lance]

in live im just too lazy to collect them all
104 wings?? id have to be bored to crunch that all in a day

Acquiring data for mental notes later: when knocked down, do you bleed out WL over time?

[nova bay]

Yes if you stay in the place where you lose wings, not if you crawl to a safe spot

[cunning trench]

cool down???

[spark lance]

wait we bleed out WL?? i thought that only happened if you bumped into something dangerous again

[scarlet hemlock]

It happen with me today. Got hit, and crawling. Non stop bleed WL, you need a light, but in eden it useless

[spark lance]

That's actually foul if you bleed WL because you got extinguished.
Why the hell is it like that?
Why did TGC think that was a good idea?

That makes me really, really damn angry.

[quiet cliff]

It’s a mission after Eden to collect all shiny wings and go thru my Photographic memory to make sure I haven’t forgotten any hidden spots it’s like a challenge moth to a flame so to speak if it’s shiny I’ve Gotta get it I can’t concentrate on any other task if there’s something shining in my peripheral vision call me crazy I just love collecting the wings but I hate it when I lose them and not know where they’re located

[nova bay]

If you stay in rain/dark water you will keep losing wings
Shouldn’t lose more when extinguished

[spark lance]

Someone get back to me on this and confirm; do you lose WL over time, even when out of hazards?

Well, I'm playing with a friend who is obsessed about their wing count. So whenever they decided to do eden, it means hours of WL hunt + CR. Means i hv to play 5hrs or more just for eden day.
And when they lost WL, boi you gotta know how crazy they became mad at you. Hahaha but that's just how my friend play and treated this WL as some sort of achievement or their level of something. I quite hate the idea of the new injure system if this made ppl who plays like this suffer more

[nova bay]

No you don’t, just tested with the honk to recharge and you just stay extinguished.

If you stay in the dark water/rain or crab gets you again or rock rain or whatever then you lose more WL

[cunning trench]

is this because you're not in a safe place? It never happened to me. I usually got rocks on me for a few seconds then return to baldie. no losing wl unless there are harmful things in the environment

[coral cosmos]

it wasn't cooldown that prevented the entire message because i haven't sent anything in for a few days. though i am on cooldown now because i only sent in half my message and im waiting to send the other part

[quiet cliff]

Am I your friend ? Sounds like me ! Lol

[spark lance]

What defines as a "dangerous place"? What determines a "safe zone"?

[nocturne dew]

Might be character limit

[spark lance]

a place with nothing that takes away the light from your character?

[scarlet hemlock]

Same with my friend. She obssessed with WL level too. Always want become perfect. I hate to recollect WL

[nova bay]

Safe is where you don’t lose light. Dangerous is dark water / rain / crabs / rock rain / krill / shard

[spark lance]

So just away from hazards? You don't need to be far away from them to be "safe"?

[quiet cliff]

Dangers : krill crabs , polluted water , rain , safe is dry … sunny …. Blue skies lol

[nova bay]

Yes if something doesn’t drain your light when you have wings it also won’t take wings when you are extinguished.

[spark lance]

yeah the losing wing mechanic hasn't really changed all that much, most of it is the animation

Even if that's true, that's foul. TGC is scaring me with these choices. It's already one thing getting struck and being unable to fly to recover whatever WL you lost. But this is harsh.

[quiet cliff]

Example ! Forest on light shroom you afk …. Think your fine but over a period of kind you will slide off into water and rain and shed wl but of you hide in cave or under tree your safe

[nova bay]

You could never fly after being dark but yeah could at least try running to your wl

[spark lance]

or just open and close the game if you play dirty

[quiet cliff]

My style lol

[nova bay]

Also question of the day : where shard (wanna test the stuck between darkness and shard bug)

[spark lance]

In the live version you can jump to save whatever WL is near you, but now you literally can only crawl pathetically away from the dark water and maybe lose an extra WL because you were not able to move fast enough to get out. You cannot be bothered to save any WL you lose. And that's awful.

[pale junco]

Boneyard

[quiet cliff]

Tab switch is a fav to avoid krill in gw

[spark lance]

is it a wax or memory shard?

[spark lance]

Does Krill dodging still work in beta? Can someone test this?

[pale junco]

Idk i crash in forest
There are some pics in #beta-screenshots-videos of the shard

[nova bay]

Woah also funnnnn boneyard omg I have to experience this lmao

Oh wait nm I was confusing boneyard with graveyard in gw XD

[cunning trench]

we can get one (if it's close)

it's a pain. but if a friend us around they could help (if they know how to collect wl back )

[spark lance]

I'd like to assume Krill dodging still works.
If not I'm going to be frustrated with TGC.

They reward players for OOB'ing, so...?

[timid basalt]

i realized that eden taking longer to finish kinda ruined the purpose of why they implemented the chevron system

[quiet cliff]

Elaborate on what you mean by krill dodging ?

[spark lance]

the who-whevronwhat-now?

[quiet cliff]

Yep that it did !

[spice crown]

The ultimate rewards still aren’t there for me

[spark lance]

Krill Dodging is when you are spotted by a Dusk Dragon, and instead of breaking line of sight, you fly into the air and away. Once it charges to attack, you expend Wing Energy to escape losing WL at the cost of losing most if not all of your energy. Which now that I think about it, might be even more dangerous once beta changes the flame mechanic.

It takes time and a lot of practice to figure out how to do it correctly.

If excecuted right, you can escape 3 Dusk Dragons at once!

[agile hazel]

What do you mean? The chevron system is for regular candles, not AC

[quiet cliff]

This still works but with new crawl it’s more risky …. Plus I wouldn’t recommend it to young players I tell them to minimise game to tabs wait 30 seconds they get attacked but don’t loose wl

[spark lance]

Important: Fly away from where the Dusk Dragon is coming from. You will be flung but you will survive!

[quiet cliff]

Too risky for my liking lol

How have we drifted from beta testing convo to tips and tricks lol

[timid basalt]

thats why i said kinda
(idk why but in my head its kinda similar)
me putting 30-45mins to candle run is like me putting 30-45minto finish eden

and i wouldnt rly want to use any more time than the 30-45mins i put in eden just to get 4-6 AC

[quiet cliff]

Agreed ! I seldom do Eden in live as I have enough AC unless I’m teaching moffs

[agile hazel]

Fair but what does that have to do with the chevron system?

[scarlet hemlock]

I still wonder about chevron system. Because now they add a lot of light social, I even dont run candles or eden anymore in live

[quiet cliff]

The Chevron system was implemented to cut down the amount of time the sky kids would spend on the game doing wax runs as it was overtaking life really so they implemented the three chevrons to cut the time now they have made Eden harder and longer which is increased time therefore the Chevron system is not Valid any longer

Daily I do prairie , forest , grandmas table twice … boom cheverons done

[agile hazel]

Unless you're crazy enough to cr the wax in orbit, chevrons don't contribute anything to Eden. They never have

[timid basalt]

instead of doing a short candle run and eden within 1.5-2hrs (which is already a lot for me now), not even including wl run, it'd take even longer therefore takes more of my time.

its mainly just for comparison, but itll still take more time tho since u need to redo eden several times to fully clear out the statues

[quiet cliff]

When I first started the game ( not having a clue what I was doing ) it was lock down at the time my husband came to me and said … do you realise you have been playing that game for 14 hrs 😱?

[trim glen]

I think the point is that TGC last year spent a lot of time and ink talking about being aware of the need to respect people’s time and so implemented the chevron system. This now feels like a 180 with them making Eden so much longer and more tedious, what they were trying to supposedly avoid

[quiet cliff]

Now I play 1/2 hours max per day

[scarlet hemlock]

Sky now too large and too slow to spend time to play full cr and wl

[oak remnant]

and too tedious.

[agile hazel]

I still don't understand any of this. The chevron system is for regular candles, the point was to reduce daily cr time. Eden being longer or shorter has no effect on the chevron system

[ashen tusk]

Wait y'all taking longer in eden? I thought we were dying faster because of the new mechanic just slicing our wl?

[timid basalt]

ppl do that? w h a t
||(pretty sure some used to do it daily tho to max out the chevron lmao)||

[scarlet hemlock]

Its totally conflict with chevron, right?

@ashen tusk yes, slowly because crawling mechanic

[trim glen]

It’s a comparison not a direct link

[quiet cliff]

It lengthen gane play time as we are taking our time to avoid the crawl

[agile hazel]

No? How does Eden effect the chevron system at all? Chevrons don't effect AC

[oak remnant]

i think the op was only comparing the time spent. instead doing eden, probably it's better to do cr and finish the chevron.
i mean.. if you only have 1 hour to play. and eden take 30mins. wouldn't it be better that you skip eden? and do cr instead

[scarlet hemlock]

I mention about the time. Chevron to save time, for some people want 2 candles from orbit, it takes a long time

[quiet cliff]

OMg you missing the point ! The cheverons were implemented to cut the time it would take to do your candle run therefore players were committed to playing for many hours per day now they have implemented the new Eden changes i.e. the crawl the light the wing lost the relocating wings the new shard system has length and the time we take trying to avoid the cruel and save ourselves therefore we are on the game longer than we would normally be so the point of the chevrons that they put in place in the first place was a waste of time

[timid basalt]

its just for comparison
we know it doesnt have anything to do with the chevron system in a literal sense ;_;;;

[ashen tusk]

how can we die faster slowly?

[scarlet hemlock]

The only way to die faster, from my experience just stand right there, die naturally, dont give WL. It really faster, crawling to next statue is too slow, then you have to walk slowly to hug boiz

[quiet cliff]

You die faster as in the time it takes to start dying but it a slow death

[ashen tusk]

I feel like these are all contradictory statements

I'll admit the pity room is slower, but the run through eden idk what y'all be doing there but I definitely die faster despite crawling mechanic in beta than in live

[scarlet hemlock]

I hopes it is a bug bcz the slowly walking to hug boiz happen before. Then it fixed now it happen again

[trim glen]

LOL what is the pity room?

[ashen tusk]

the dark room you go to when you're dead to hug the kid

[trim glen]

Hahahahahahahahaha yeah that is much slower. Maddeningly imo 🤣😂

[ashen tusk]

They removed skipping/jumping and that's just annoying because that made noise when I did it, it was so satisfying with that alone. The fact it also sped up the process of pity room was also great, so like pspsps tgc reimplement jumping in pity room, pls and thanks

[bright portal]

Correct me if im wrong , but using the chevron system to compare playtime with eden runs is a bit vague i think considering chevron reduces overall daily playtime and eden is an optional weekly thing , unless u are purposely repeating eden to do every single statue weekly (which honestly sounds like a waste of time)

[timid basalt]

also, why are we now bleeding wl when were burnt out
||imagine if fall dmg was still a thing and sky kids would randomly see wl icon everywhere in valley of triumph rink ||

unless thats not how it works, then pls correct me ;_;

[vague anvil]

Is the bug for this season's ults disappearing fixed yet-

[scarlet hemlock]

No, they mention its still a bug

[agile hazel]

Pity room is commonly the void when you lose all your wl outside of pnr, you're given 1 pity wl to respawn.
I don't think there even is name for the room with the boy after pnr, it's just part of the Ascent

[spark lance]

I think i understand what you meant. TGC does convey they want to improve player's quality of life. That includes our use of time. This new crawly crawly doesn't improve anything .. other than, wow great they can make a code and program skids to crawl.. yay good for you code team, but pls don't

[dreamy grail]

We've been told that it's a future update that this will be addressed, as shards were a larger issue with last build.

We may see new UGs in place as we now have 4 trees instead of 2... However TGC might do it like flight and we may only have 2 UGs and an additional f2p one tomorrow morning 👀

[naive solar]

I think they're under the impression that Eden's gonna stop being a source of currency just because there are new injury mechanics and they implemented crawling

[oak remnant]

i personally think that the use of crawling is purely intended for emotional purposes. As they want eden to give more emotional experience to players. However, the fact that they put in-game currency there is just deflecting the purpose. in my opinion.

[ashen tusk]

I've always been told pity room is the void room with the kid???

like what other void is there? where you have 1 remaining wl? you lose all light in pnr so idk what you're referring to

[dreamy grail]

Yea, pitty room/black rooms is the limbo with the life giver milk child

[timid basalt]

how many ACs can be obtained from eden per run in beta?

[bright portal]

Oh , i thought pity room is the dark room with a single winglight waiting there when u lose all your wl outside of eden. Hence the name, pity room

[ashen tusk]

so the bit after orbit? Where you get the orbit wl?

[agile hazel]

No, here's a vid. When you're outside of pnr and lose all your wl, maybe you afk'd in the rain, you get sent to the pity room and are given 1wl back
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[outer pivot]

Eden still has crack while the soul traveller has returned, gasp how can I get TS's stuff when I don't have any Eden candles left

[ashen tusk]

could you send me the link in DMs please my mobile won't take me to the right place

[bright portal]

Idk if void room with the kid waiting to hug you ever has a name , i just call it the room with the hugging kid when u die

[mental ridge]

When you die outside of the statues area in Eden, you’re taken to the pity room, where there’s a pity star waiting for you. That’s where the name came from - because you’re given a single star as an act of “pity”, I suppose. That’s why the name doesn’t really work with the dark room in Eden. There’s no pity star there. But those are all names created by the community, no official terms as far as I know.

[ashen tusk]

yo my eden must be broken cause I've never been taken to the wing light??? I go straight from pnr to falling into the void with the hug kid????

[agile hazel]

This only happens if you're outside of pnr

[bright portal]

It doesn't happen in eden , it happens if you die in regular realms or anywhere before pnr

[ashen tusk]

OHHHH I ain't ever died in a regular realm, whew

Okay so I'll just call the hug void place the dead room from now on

@outer pivot #beta-looking-for-group

[outer pivot]

Can anyone enter Eden?
Can you take me in with you, or can I simply join you while you are in Eden, pls I need to go to Eden urgently because TS has already returned and I don't have Eden candles

[agile hazel]

Do the eden shard at Broken Bridge, it gives you 2 AC

[fallow glacier]

#beta-looking-for-group

[bright portal]

Are eden shards gonna be a permanent time event? Sorry i haven't kept up with beta lately so I'm just a mere observer

[agile hazel]

afaik yes

[quiet cliff]

I’ll take you up xxx

[bright portal]

Oh , then it wouldn't be a reason to go to eden to do AC runs anymore, eh? Unless if you want to quickly stock up ACs

[quiet cliff]

Yup !!! Ha ha ha quickly stock up !!! Your funny Eden is pure hell now with the changes

[scarlet hemlock]

Its for people who just need at least 2 AC a week. Like me 😅

[agile hazel]

Yeah, getting AC from shards is slower 1-4 AC per event. But more than worth it since you don't have to lose all your wl

[bright portal]

Good enough for me two years into the game I've already barely use ACs anyways

But idk, what's your average eden run duration now compared to before? Is it severely different ?

[scarlet hemlock]

In the past I run once a week. Now barely, in live, exacly 1 year not run eden. I played from mid 2019

[agile hazel]

15 AC in Live with 150+wl
13 AC in Beta this Monday with 100 wl

[outer pivot]

I can't go there, the game will crash while I go there

[agile hazel]

Does Valley crash for you? Cause you can wait til tomorrow

[outer pivot]

Yes, Valley crashed too
The places I can go are the whole map 2, map 3 to the quest for the closet, map 4 only go to the changing room, map 5 I don't know, map 6 goes all the way

sorry my english is not very good

[oak remnant]

Zvy, we actually encounter the exact same bug Are you able to pass through eden portal though? My device will also crash there.

[outer pivot]

I can't, I can only light a candle to open the gate of Eden and when I go in there the game suddenly crashes
No matter how many times I try, I have already sent a report to the devs, hopefully they will fix it soon (Eden, Valley, Hidden Forrest in some places)

[inner valve]

where are the crystals today?

[scarlet hemlock]

At Boneyard. There are some images in #beta-screenshots-videos you can check

[dreamy grail]

15¾ in live

[oak light]

Hello, I'm wondering if the seasonal location changes according to quests

[cobalt jacinth]

The shards have a daily rotation as per daily quests rotation, yes!

[chilly current]

@torn girder about the winglight in new season map. After finished the 4th(iirc) there’s a spawn of mantas, fly up you can see the light on one of the manta

[torn girder]

how can we review the previous memories? by redoing quests?

and btw i think it’s 3rd quest

[chilly current]

Ehm that I don’t know. I was doing my quest, after finishing, I meditate to the map via the shard at the darkness place

[torn girder]

alright thank you! i’m gonna try that out

[upper silo]

does anyone know how much will the rainbow pants cost? approximately :o thanks!

[chilly current]

I remembered it was 14.99$ and changed into 9.99$

[nova bay]

Things can change when it hits live so no guarantees - it’s candles now not IAP afaik

[chilly current]

Here the trousers info
#beta-announcements message

[upper silo]

thank you!

[thorn spear]

Hello everyone. Some maps have 2-3 spots for shards. Anyone know if is it possible that there's only 1 shard area at all?

[oak remnant]

wasn't vault only have 1 shards area so far?

[thorn spear]

Not sure about vault because it's always bugged for me in vault. I've never entered vault for shards

[agile hazel]

Only been in Jellyfields so far in Vault

[muted basalt]

Guys, where the shard today? I didn't found it at forest but the sky turned red already- that's bug?

[proud widget]

I can’t find it either

[muted basalt]

I found it, the shard kinda delay, just wait until them explode

[proud widget]

Is it on the same place as the other times?

[muted basalt]

Nope, that's change, u can check #beta-screenshots-videos someone have where them found it

[dreamy grail]

@upper silo Rainbow pants are IGC not IAP

[upper silo]

Ohhhhh, candles?

Thank you!

[white latch]

I wonder if the shard still continues to fall after season end

[dreamy grail]

For those of you who've played beta during flight, any of y'all tried blue flight suit with Jelly cape? As I am only a Performance () moff, I don't have the pants, have any of you tried these two together, if so would you say they go well together? (Also don't say "use rally it's better", I don't have such for live and that would be a common look in-game)

[dreamy grail]

TGC did say that the changes and events of this season are permanent changes but something's are liable to future tweaking... So to answer you, we have a good chance that shards will be permanent

[white latch]

Yes!!! I can finally trap more moffs than usual

[dreamy grail]

do we need to report you for moff trafficking?!! /j

[scarlet hemlock]

Let me check if i have

[lament mica]

Is the infinite rain in Eden now gone? I went to test it but my friend and I both lost our light so I didn’t notice it in the end (I was too busy being a toddler)

[white latch]

I need food to survive

[dreamy grail]

I think it's continuous rock fall but it's easier? So rocks have a slight lower hit chance?
(I haven't been )

[grave jetty]

It's not gone, but they've made major changes. It's gentler at first, and there are recharge points along the way so you can stand back up. It accommodates the crawling mechanic much better now. If anything, the first area is more brutal.

[dreamy grail]

Okay that's good to know ab the flight pants going well with Jelly cape, I'm kinda excited to use that at some point in live

Thinking about it, I haven't used the orange flight pants ever, haven't used the sky-blue pants since I exited my moff phase, haven't used QG and Builder since like..... March

[grave jetty]

Did the quest-shard at the screen with all the temples (near the tower temple). Easily the roughest one yet: there were no crystal crabs (just regular type), but having to burn dark plants in the rain adds a new level of challenge, and having to do it while collecting light fragments adds yet another. Went to an empty void afterwards, which was annoying, but I'm caught up on my quests anyway. Anyone know if there's another shard today?

[kind prawn]

There is, at the last area of the Forest, after the meditation circle (giant gate), before we fly off to the valley.

[dreamy grail]

Did you forget you can just remove the rain by going HI JELLIES?

[grave jetty]

🤦

[dreamy grail]

You forgot didn't you?

[grave jetty]

Eeeyup.

[spark agate]

Is there a new starboi for this season? I haven’t seen anything

[dreamy grail]

Hehehe... Anyone tried losing all their 11 wedge from standing in the rain/dark water just for the sake of seeing it all scatter then pick it all up in one go?

[languid ravine]

Eligibility Issue Time

Eligibility issuance time is very urgent.

[dreamy grail]

[lyric kite]

If you're asking when beta invites will be given out again, we don't know. TGC staff opens invites on an as-needed basis and it's not always very frequent. All you can do is get the beta invites ping role from #beta-faq and you'll be notified when they do happen

[dreamy grail]

@languid ravine

[hasty vessel]

Y’all can we seriously start talking about how majorly dissapointing this season is. I understand that tgc mentioned that this season might not even feel like one at first but DAMN what is this? Already put in my constructive feedback.

They have us running around sky doing the same thing for the entire season? Just to get snapshot memories? This can’t be real

[languid ravine]

Will there be it next month?

Are you qualified?

[dreamy grail]

Did you not just hear what we said? We do not know they're only on a as needed for testing basis. Meaning if TGC needs more feedback, they'll open invites and those are at the most random times. And those invites are only open for 30 minutes at a time
Yet again another person joining just for access for beta by the looks of things

[languid ravine]

Ok

[wary hollow]

From what iv seen i can only agree honestly. I kind of wish tgc postpones releasing this season at the normal rate seasns do to give it more time and thought at the concepts it wants to achieve no ones going to maim them if they take a break from releasing seasons to work on one thats supposed to be grandiose and diffrent from any season weve seen befor

[lyric kite]

I wouldn't mind the repetitive nature of it as much if we at least got some story or lore stuff out of it, but right now it feels like even that is very minimal. I'm not really sure how the snapshot memories of the creatures in the void room even connects to Eden exploding. Like how exactly are the memories related to the shard events? It feels like two separate ideas to me and neither of them are fleshed out enough

[dreamy grail]

Hopefully the final quest will take place in eden, actually doing something challenging, opening new murals and stuff to actually reveal lore. I mean surely the only lore drop we get this season isn't just one snapshot on a wall that most people will skip

[languid ravine]

Bye-bye

[hasty vessel]

Im happy that we’re on the same page about this and i really hope the team are listening to our feedback, i get it’s still early days but from what we’re seeing right now i feel like it’s too late for them to go back to the drawing board, that is unless they extend the wait time for this season which im not sure they’ll do tbh things seem to be running on a tight schedule. For a season about the eye of eden i really thought this would have been a game changer but it’s seriously (subjective) the worst season we’ve had so far

[languid ravine]

I envy your test suit.

[woeful obsidian]

Why you don't shut off the rain. Lit the candles in the house till the jelly fish come and then rain stops.

[grave jetty]

I'm inclined to agree. It's true that TGC said there wouldn't be so much story focus this season, but we don't even have a sense of why this is happening. We're just getting random volcanic eruptions, and I think we're supposed to treat them like they've always been happening (this is the experience new players will have, after all), but then why devote a whole Season to the eruptions if there's not going to be any sense of why they are happening?

TGC said at the beginning that they hadn't yet have implemented everything they'd planned. I'm just hoping that the future plans include a reason to do all this.

[lyric kite]

It's also been kind of hard to really judge though so far because a lot of the shard events have been broken, and even though now they are giving out AC and candle wax like they are supposed to, the actual season quests are still bugged and don't complete when they are supposed to a lot of the time. If things were working properly it might be better too, but if it goes to live the way it is now it's going to be very annoying telling people they may have to complete the same shard event like 10+ times for the quest to register. I really hope it can be fixed

[grave jetty]

Because I'm a dork and forgot I could do that.

[woeful obsidian]

Haha. Or take umbrella in forest ...

[languid ravine]

haha

[wary hollow]

Its a bit dumb that the season thats tied to eden doesnt rly uave any story focus like this was THE season every one awaited for thatd havr actual lore tgcs insistence on keeping lore "ambiguous" is a bit frustrating

[dreamy grail]

Exactly, like it's an anticlimactic rise to some final event if that's what is gunna happen tomorrow... Like when TGC said "prophecy like" I was thinking "nice we gunna get small portions of lore here and there".... But nope.... Just some glass falling and creating cool new crebs and us glowing with ice....

I knew we'd get cross realm quests as they mentioned LP and I thought "quests gunna he completed across realms" and I was right.. a little sad we haven't had as much lore drops... Like Prophecy wasn't much on story but at least it ignited a little lore

[grave jetty]

Yeah. Prophecy wasn't big on story, but they still gave us a sense of why we were going to this place and doing these trials. Shattering, thus far, is more like "we're just clearing out these volcanic eruptions just like we've always been doing".

[dreamy grail]

In the long run we know like as much lore on eden as a pinch of sand in our hands. The whole lore being a huge beach... We have barely anything, so theories are so random and to speculation, it's too open ended, a little hint or inspiration as to the eden king and their lore would be really interesting... But nope.. nothing

Hopefully TGC don't take the flight path here and go "here, two UGs and nothing more" like we have 4 trees and a F2P UG, like surely 3 UGs would be interesting instead of 2 for the season in a way

Who else thinks that this seasons test period is a little too short?

[wary hollow]

Sky could have the potential to have such an amazingover arching lore i dont mind the fact its not in your face about it heck i enjoy discovering and speculating on my own time bout random things i find in the game...but rn theyre basically giving a single little grain of sand to mull over and its sad cuz theyres so much you could do with the world of sky and the concept art of the gsme proves theyre was so much more THE MURALS prove theyre is so much more

[dreamy grail]

On a side note, DoR should be swapped for DoS soon which will be interesting to explore, with DoR announced to come to live in a few weeks

Shower thought, wing tunnel could have a hell of a lot more use than it does. Murals on both sides would-be AMAZING, especially if it depicted lore of the king and the diamond, maybe even depictions of PNR as well..m like we have krill murals in Ark so like..

[spark lance]

is anyone using ios16 developer beta unable to open sky beta app?

[woeful obsidian]

Maybe the lore we already seen.. In our life we gringe after more.. After been bigger.. Better.. And ending to come bad sometimes.. Its like a our black skykid is holding the diamond for his self and a fight between good and bad Developed... But in the end. We just have to come together. And should shake hands and hugging the bright ones. Like in the void of eden.

[stuck rose]

Its not a good idea to download ios16 beta

[zenith mist]

its hard to judge shattering because i genuinely cannot tell if the season is just super unfinished or if this is just.. it. i remember when it first came out ktjn made a joke like "wow the season is unfinished on the first build how weird" but honestly it hasnt really changed? its hard leaving feedback when we dont know if this is how the devs intended it to be or not (at least i think so)
anyway, in its current state, i rly think this is the most disappointing season. ppl are already bored of it after a couple days, i dont want to have to play this for over 70 days. i was excited to have a new game changing season that was different from the others, but now i wish we just got a standard season

[desert token]

if you're having the same issue for the live app as well then it's a natural assumption that they aren't supporting iOS 16 version numbers yet

[grave jetty]

OK, did the second quest-shard (yay dual quest-shard day!) This one had crystal crabs, and placing a crab-trap memory candle was difficult but I think I got a good one. 2 ACs at each shard today. The second one took me to the krill void.

[spark lance]

my live version is working fine. I'll try to uninstall ios16 and see what happens.

[desert token]

is the app just crashing instantly on launch?

[woeful obsidian]

Haha. I think the devs doesn't have any special reason.. So they feed us with the shards.. And we should speculate and creat a story behind.. So that they pic up the best idea. 🤣

[spark lance]

it says that Sky requires developer mode to run. Until it is enabled, the app won't be available for use.

[lyric kite]

I'm also curious how the timing for the shard events will actually work in live during and after the season. I think the every 30 minutes in beta right now is mainly for testing, so I think it will be less frequent in live, but how frequent exactly? I kind of hope it's not too much, because it would also be a bit annoying wanting to just go on a regular candle run and having to deal with the poor lighting in some areas and for people who are photosensitive, the explosions and other flashing stuff going off super frequently would not be good at all

[spark lance]

is this WL in manta memory legit or edited in #beta-screenshots-videos ?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/618891214527266846/984417181292982272/IMG_2612.jpg

[desert token]

if you've made sure to link your progress with google/game centre/etc. maybe just try re-installing the beta app from testflight and seeing what it tells you. it seems like you're being locked out of the game for a reason completely separate to your operative system if you're not having any trouble at all in live

[spark lance]

i think it would be like geyser and Grandma

[woeful obsidian]

I think they don't change the time much. Be azse we have to search for the shards first..

[olive wolf]

Is the ac ratio in Eden the same (4:1) as in live or not?

[desert token]

having a daily quest linked with an event that happens only every second hour would be a nightmare if it can only be completed while a shard is active, honestly

[woeful obsidian]

Seem so.

[spark lance]

edited?

[woeful obsidian]

I didn't see a wing in the void

[cunning trench]

wait how should the last part in Eden look like? I saw someone said the nonstop rain are not "non-stop" now but mine is still...

[grave jetty]

I didn't see anything behind the shrine ib the void, but I admit I haven't looked. I'll check that out next time.

[woeful obsidian]

But me. I was flying. It's endless.. All black.

[cunning trench]

the last time I went there and explore, there's no wl there

[spark lance]

True and it would be very difficult to miss a glowy wl in such a dark place.
i hope this picture doesn't spread around like a rumor if it isn't true

[spark lance]

soo i think i'm stuck with ios16... i'll try to uninstall the app and reinstall... if this doesn't work, then i'm def forked until ios16 is officially released.

[desert token]

eden's been going through a couple different iterations of change with each build. I haven't visited yet on the build released just yesterday, but from what I experienced in the previous ones there's more sporadic waves of rock rain that seem to be somewhat targeted compared to the previous unending torrent. a red beam of light will signal the most dangerous of these "waves"

[woeful obsidian]

Maybe it's a hacker in the last quest. We're we get a wing? Looks like the path to the vault top. Like in my pics...

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/618891214527266846/984334574450520104/IMG_20220602_062953_980.jpg

[lyric kite]

I think it's probably edited. The image with the winged light appears to have been taken in the void room while the manta memory is being displayed after completing one of the quests, but it wouldn't really make sense for TGC to put a WL in a specific memory because I don't think you can view them again once you've completed it and left, can you? So how would you get to the WL again? I think it's fake

[spark lance]

ig we can revisit memory through quest giver

[woeful obsidian]

Or it's the wing light we get in eden. The one? 👀 It's just his story his memory of beeing in the void. A statue like the manta or krill there. You can't really pick him up.

[uncut sandal]

There’s a bug in day light

[grave jetty]

Yeah; I don't see it in the memories either. I'm guessing this is edited

[cunning trench]

red beam? do you have a picture of it?

there's this one shelter that I reached then there's the start of unending stones. just in that place. I saw a bright red but not a beam one

[uncut sandal]

There’s a hole in the wall and you can fly though it I’m not fully sure what to do it’s in daylight Paris I found it on my candle run

[cunning trench]

there's holes in Eden too...

[grave jetty]

Not currently. You can get the "View this memory again?" dialog box, but it doesn't do anything even if you click Yes.

[lyric kite]

I guess in the future then we might be able to view the memories more times, but it still seems like a weird place to put a winged light, in a specific memory for a specific quest

[warm escarp]

Guys, is it possible already to enter the last location of Eden or even just go through strong wind at the gate to a corridor with light?

Playing on iOS if it changes anything

[quiet cliff]

I have not seen this !

[grave jetty]

Nobody has, as far as we can tell. The picture might be edited.

[lament mica]

You need to meditate at vault summit at least once, then yup. If you’re having a hard time, DM me an invite link and I can take you there 😊

[quiet cliff]

Agreed on second look deffo edited

[lament mica]

This! Especially considering we’re not told where they are in advance

[quiet cliff]

What ya talking about I can’t see the original message you replied to

[warm escarp]

Thanks for explanation, I just was a little confused about this since it was a little strange, thanks again

[grave jetty]

It would be nice if that quest guaranteed that a Shard would be active on the main path. Then at least the Shard would be relatively easy to find.

[desert token]

by beam I meant like what you can expect a flashlight to look like on the ground - it's more of a red shadow than something you can spot from a mile away. you can see it moving around in this video for instance: #beta-screenshots-videos message

[quiet cliff]

Silly question of the day as I’m about to hop on beta where’s the shard today ?

[ancient pike]

Maybe they could turn the flickering into a non-photosensitive mechanic?

[lament mica]

That would be great eh. Especially considering people have flashing-light induced seizures. It would be good to put a nice big warning ⚠️ about that too

[grave jetty]

Two shards. One's in the temple/bridge area near the WL on the tower (I highly recommend doing the bridges first, so the rain stops). The second is after the main temple, in the little clearing just before you fly off to the Valley.

[quiet cliff]

You are a star thank you kindly x

[grave jetty]

Ooh, now that IS interesting. It's not the same as a krill seeing you, but it's similar. Could this be related to the King's Spear, I wonder?

[lyric kite]

It does seem like kind of a similar idea to like the turrets in Wasteland or the old idea of the King attacking you from the top of Eden that was in the concepts but never implemented

[naive trail]

Still no dark/krill pants added?

[cobalt jacinth]

Why would have been? Tgc staff didn't tell they plan so and only 3-4weeks left from beta season, there are many shard bugs, crawling in Eden is still bad, the chance for a pants is very close to zero

[naive trail]

didnt say they would have, just asked

[elfin delta]

@white stratus please don't mention beta content outside channel. As for the price of the rainbow headphone, it has not been revealed and no one knows

[bold oasis]

How much for the rainbow headset I forgot to check the price b4 “purchase”

[cosmic sierra]

Can someone explain how to do seasonal quest in beta? Also why i can't see the ultimate gifts? Thank you

[elfin delta]

Check the message above you please

[bold oasis]

Sorryyyyy I’m super blind

[white stratus]

sorry new here

[lyric kite]

Not seeing the ultimate gifts is a bug. The quests should be able to be completed by doing one of the shard events with crabs that rewards AC, but those have also been very bugged and inconsistent, so sometimes (a lot of times) it may not work

[split sundial]

Ogghh man I didn't get the memory with the mantas after finishing the second seasonal quest

[grave jetty]

Not as far as we know. We don't know what the FTP ultimate is, and we don't know if the ultimates have changed, so there's definitely one item slot still open and possibly more, but we don't know what goes there.

Personally I've found that the Fire Prophet's pants make an excellent stand-in for dark pants, though.

[tight bloom]

I cant even finish the first quest... I've meditated to see the ancient memory, but was just taken to empty dark room. How is it supposed to be if the quest actually works?

[naive trail]

yupyup i agree, lets hope that item slot gets smth cool :3

[grave jetty]

There should be statues or images of some kind in the dark room. It changes with each memory.

[lyric kite]

It should show you a kind of 3D image thing in the dark room with some creatures that you can fly around in and explore and you should get the "Completed" banner on the screen. If that doesn't happen then it's bugged for you, and you'll have to keep trying the shard events until it eventually works or TGC fixes it in a future update

[tight bloom]

Oh God. It's like my fifth time doing it too. In different realms!

[grave jetty]

I'm starting to think that you need to fill up the meter that shows up onscreen while the light fragments are floating around, or else the memory won't appear. For today's Shards in particular, I heavily recommend doing the bridge to stop the rain before you even try doing the Shards at all, because it makes gathering fragments much easier if you don't have the rain draining you.

If I'm right, though, then there needs to be more UI to make this clearer. Like a "Try again. Collect more light fragments!" message or something.

[lyric kite]

Yeah, I've had the same issue trying to complete the 4th quest myself, I've tried in like every realm now and it just won't work. Not much else we can really do though except bug report it

I have filled up the light meter though in many of the times that I've done it, and it still doesn't work. I complete the event, get the AC, and get the option to meditate to view the memory, but when I do that nothing happens. Like I think it should be working because it tells me to view the memory, but then it just doesn't work. If there is some sort of extra requirement, then it's not clear at all

[grave jetty]

Yeah. I just feedbacked the thing about filling the meter, but just as you say, the same principle applies more generally: if the memory isn't supposed to work, then users need to know why it isn't working.

[cosmic sierra]

Oh okay. Thank you. I just did and managed to burn most of the dark plants near the shards but the quest is still not finished. I thought i might've done smt wrong. Thanks for the response

[cunning trench]

is there a possibility that you can't see a skykid? I just got creb when helping a skykid but it seems like they didn't saw me. I'm losing wl, got creb many times. they just go on with burning darkness

I saw them burning darkness but in my pov, there's actually no darkness in that position. it's been burn but they're still burning it.

[lyric kite]

Maybe some other sort of bug

[agile hazel]

So, got another 2 AC from the Temple shard. That's 21 AC this week

[cunning trench]

it's been like that too in my first try in the last area in Forest. like everyone's not on the same page but on the same server. I can't see the meditation circle thingy because all darkness appeared again but one managed to sit on it.

[tight bloom]

Burning the plants is so tiring... Is it even possible to do the mini game alone (collecting lights thing) with how slow the plants burn?! It's not even challenging, it's just annoying at this point.

[quiet cliff]

Hey guys I’m in forest broken bridge but the rains not stopping ?

[grave jetty]

That definitely sounds like something that shouldn't happen. Report it. Some differences in pov are inevitable -that just happens in online gaming- but this sounds way too extreme.

[pliant talon]

will the red rocks thing in some parts of the realms remain when shattering ends?

[grave jetty]

Is your crystal flashing? That's a bug, but we know it affects the way darkness burns.

[desert token]

if you're doing a shard quest, and they arrived after you there is a chance they just see you sitting down to meditate and that you aren't moving around on their screen (or taking damage, etc.)

[tight bloom]

Yeah, it's flashing and there's red light beams from some of it. But it's not the bad kind of flashing like in the Starlight Desert

[slow pecan]

TGCkeep erasing my favorite things and turn them as red😭
Before the update Eden was a special place for me

[cunning trench]

no, we merged. maybe they're the one doing the next part? like collecting the lights?

[winged shore]

Hi! stupid question but do i need to spoiler eden stuff in beta chat or beta screenshots? looked thru pins but i couldn't see anything about it and i'm new to the beta side of sky.

[quiet cliff]

Hey guys why can’t I turn rain off on forest

[empty river]

i just tried it (the one in the second-to-last area in forest), with 5 flaps i believe its practically impossible, specially with rain zapping away your light constantly and having to recover 😭 please send feedback

[nova bay]

But you have the butterflies close by to recharge though

[lyric kite]

Are you going to the end of the bridge before the temple and lighting the candles by where the WL is? That's what should turn off the rain

[empty river]

yea they really help! but the timer goes by very fast

[quiet cliff]

Hey I just did it 5 mins ago and turned off the rain got 2 AC then o warped to void room then went back to forest via to pond now I can’t shirt off the rain

[oblique gyro]

it’s true

[quiet cliff]

Of course lol it’s not my first bbq lol I liturally did 5 mins ago and completed shard quest for 2xAC

[empty river]

might want to report it as a bug then, i just tried turning the rain off without going near the shard event and it worked normally

[quiet cliff]

Hmmmm I’ll leave game go back see what happens I’ll report also

[agile hazel]

I managed to do both shards solo, getting 100% was really tight though

[fringe geyser]

hello everyone！

[quiet cliff]

Yes me too however the timer is too fast Considering how Slow the darkness Burns it’s painfully slow pull your hair out kinda slow but thankfully I can flip the cramps so I’m happy girl

[agile hazel]

Also I'm almost certain the slow burning plants are servers being slow/unstable. This was me last week solo. I always find that plants burn slower than this when server merged
#beta-screenshots-videos message

[cunning trench]

oh you went home then continue journey? I think it's a bug. I've reported this one too in Performance time I think

[tight bloom]

I hope the Shard event will be weekly or something in live. Or just tied into the quests, because the red is giving me headache. And it's so hard to CR, especially in GW

[winter salmon]

aww i can't see the shard in hidden forest

[quiet cliff]

It’s in the area near the bones where we catch orange light with the butterflies

[slow pecan]

When the Dark Dragon honks, it seems to bleed, not like the honk actually feels like it's interfering emotional engagement of game
If anyone thinks the same, please convey feedback

[winter salmon]

i know location but it not display

[quiet cliff]

Thank you my lovely very helpful

[quiet cliff]

It’s not time you need to wait for next eruption

[vestal mortar]

I'm not a beta tester but what is (We appreciate folks who can provide additional testing for this! ) mean in the announcement do they want people to try get stuck in the loop of loosing winglights? xd

[lyric kite]

Yes, like testing to make sure that it's actually fixed, and if it's still happening to submit a bug report about it (if you don't mind risking losing a bunch of WL to test it)

[jovial bough]

Essentially. Beta is about testing things that could occur naturally and seeing how easily they can be replicated, so good beta testers need to be willing to throw themselves into “danger” for the good of feedback LOL

[vestal mortar]

Oh ic

[grave jetty]

They want people to try to get stuck, yes. The idea is that, at least in theory, it shouldn't be possible to get stuck anymore even if you try, but that's hard to prove unless people actually try.

[vestal mortar]

It's actually pretty good that the beta account is totally different than your normal account or else many bugs would annoy people like loosing their lights and all that stuff

[lyric kite]

Well it can still be annoying in beta to go recollect them again once you lose them, but yeah there should be more emphasis put on testing and not worrying about if you lose something because it's just beta. If you care about your stuff then play the live version

[grave jetty]

Yep. That's part of why they do it. It also lets them give testers candles and hearts (or take them away) without affecting people's live accounts.

[slow pecan]

Beta is dangerous in many ways

[vestal mortar]

Like the glitch that happened of infinite candles so tgc had to them back to a certain amount of candles and hearts

[grave jetty]

Yes. Or the fact that we can get up to 25 SCs per day so we can test cosmetics and other things quickly. That's something TGC REALLY wouldn't want to give a live account.

[vestal mortar]

Oh I didn't know that that's very nice of them

[lyric kite]

TGC could even completely reset everyone's beta accounts and take away everything if they decided they needed to for some testing purpose so. It's definitely best not to get too attached to anything in beta

[grave jetty]

Yep. Good stuff happens, but bad stuff happens too. We take those risks so that Live doesn't have to take them.

[vestal mortar]

It must be so cool to have the beta. The hole in the corrupted geiser was also there before going live? xd

[grave jetty]

Sometimes it's cool, sometimes it's frustrating. There are always lots of bugs in Beta, and sometimes it doesn't work at all.

But the biggest thing is that Beta is a job. It's not like we're just playing the game normally. People burn out pretty often, and sometimes they burn out from Sky completely. It's not really something I'd recommend for most people.

[vestal mortar]

Well it's technically like playing normally but with a lot of bugs to report

[slow pecan]

Not long ago, my beta account was actually reset Is that also a bug or not idk

[tight charm]

DoR will be confirmed for later this month. The pants are now free because of the feedback from players of it being IAP. It’s now going to be an IGC item.

Putting this here for those who wanted to know more about the DoR stuff.

DoR Patch Notes
-We have made adjustments to the event items for Days of Rainbow. (From Patch Notes)

Edit#2: And I did also see in a passing message, that the pants were now adjusted to 95 candles. This was not stated in the patch notes but it was confirmed here in passing messages. You might have to search for it.

[grave jetty]

I don't know. Everyone's candles, hearts, and ACs were reset a week or so before Shattering started, but I don't know if that's what you're talking about. TGC CAN do a full reset on everybody's accounts -we call that a progress wipe- but they haven't done that in a long time.

[slow pecan]

I mean every info on account

[grave jetty]

Hmm. That might be a bug then.

[rough jacinth]

i wanna ask are the shard events still happening every half hour? i was looking for them during :00 time and didn't find it... and now there's a :30 one but i didn't even see the explosion... is it a bug?

[grave jetty]

I've noticed that they seem to be happening a little later than before, more like :07 and :37. But they're still happening. The look of the explosion has also changed a little: it's bot as bright and flashy anymore.

[empty river]

hi, may i ask who confirmed this? i thought we were only told it was likely gonna be moved to july (i tried looking in #beta-announcements but couldnt find anything)

[grave jetty]

A friend of mine (not in Beta) sent me a screenshot of a "late June" thing last night too. Not sure where that came from.

[lyric kite]

They posted on social media that it will be later this month, no exact date confirmed yet though
https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1534279066840342530

[rough jacinth]

for the :30 one i've been waiting up until right now, i'm still in the game. the sky didn't even change color like the :00 one. i usually search for it 10-15 minutes until i'm convinced it's gone and i've missed it. HELLA CONFUSED

[grave jetty]

OK, that looks like the screenshot my friend sent me.

[elfin delta]

The pic with the winged light that Pi sent in ss channel is edited right? If so should we report them for spreading misinformation?

[lyric kite]

I'm not sure tbh, the WL was not there when I completed that quest myself, but we can't go back and re-view the memories again right now so I can't confirm if it's real or not. If someone else gets to the manta memory and is able to confirm it then please do

[elfin delta]

I've already completed it too and not too sure myself either 😔

[grave jetty]

Hmm. That does sound odd. I did get a weird shard drop at 4:22 PM yesterday without any eruption event. Maybe you're experiencing something similar where the cycle just kind of goes crazy?

[agile hazel]

It's clearly edited

[tight charm]

Last time I checked, TGC had posted something regarding this on their IG. Also, I did see it in a passing message from someone here. And I also believe this was in the patch notes.

[lyric kite]

It was not mentioned in the patch notes for live, but they have posted it on social media a couple of days ago yes

[rough jacinth]

maybe? i usually can't keep going back to find the event but before today's reset i was able to redo the prairie one... that's the first shard event where i wait for it and actually got the result i expected...
i guess im just asking cuz if it's a bug i'll report it. i wanna make sure it's not me that just don't understand what is going on haha

[gilded parrot]

Hello beloved citizens! Skybot here to remind you all that if you are having trouble finding something in Beta, please submit that to TGC in #beta-feedback! You may ask here if you are struggling, but together we can help many Live skykids have a great experience Remember to check #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues as well!

[empty river]

^ thank you again for sending the link, hoping that info is shared here as well soon!

[clever vigil]

I'm so happy they added calling back😭🙏

[tight charm]

DoR Patch Notes
-We have made adjustments to the event items for Days of Rainbow. (From Patch Notes)

Edit#2: And I did also see in a passing message, that the pants were now adjusted to 95 candles. This was not stated in the patch notes but it was confirmed here in passing messages. You might have to search for it.

Ahh, here is a message link: #beta-discussion message

[empty river]

i do know that, thanks! i was only confused about the date confirmation since i hadnt seen it

[tight charm]

Ahh, I see what you mean now. While (yes) the DoR event items were adjusted, the exact date was NOT confirmed by TGC. However, TGC did say that the event would arrive later this month. But in regards to when that has not been confirmed yet. I hope that clears up any confusion, as I was only talking about how the rainbow trousers were adjusted from an IAP item to an IGC item for 95 regular candles. BUT regardless, this is all subject to further adjustments as well.

[lucid python]

Yea it doesn’t seem to be happening at the :00 :30 times at all for me. I keep leaving and returning to the area but not seeing anything still

Is the forest one still in the clearing before the rain? Since the shards showing up is so sporadic I want to make sure I’m even in the right place

[grave jetty]

No. Now it's in the temples/bridges screen next to the tower with the WL on it (I highly recommend doing the bridge first, to turn off the rain). There'a a second one in the post-Temple screen, just before you fly off to the Valley. It looks like they're both quest-shards today.

[lucid python]

Arghhhh lol thank you! I still haven’t even been able to do the first quest yet. I never am able to meditate at the end 😮‍💨 I’m so excited about this season and it’s killing me I can’t even do the stuff!

[grave jetty]

You can still do it the old way.

[plain falcon]

Guys i can't find today's shard 😢 help

[lucid python]

@plain falcon

[plain falcon]

I ... I passed that area and didn't see it. 😢😢😢

[spark lance]

eggs

[lucid python]

It’s having a tendency to not show up at the times it’s supposed to lol…. Like they said earlier, it seems to be coming a bit later than the times. I keep reloading the game, doesn’t necessarily help but I never see it happen while I’m waiting for it so… idk

[grave jetty]

Yeah, it's annoying.

There are two types of shards: wax-shards and quest-shards. Wax-shards are black, and give lots of regular candle wax, but can't be used for quests. Quest-shards are red, and give AC wax, and you can meditate after doing them. This causes a "gather light fragments" activity. After you finish this, the Season Guide will show up a few seconds later, and you should be able to talk to it to finish quests.

[split comet]

only have shard in one place in the forest?

[grave jetty]

Two places. One is in the temples/bridges area, near the tower with the WL (but do the bridge first, to stop the rain). The second one is after the temple, just before you fly to the Valley.

[split comet]

Thank you so much

[azure bone]

I talk to the guide, get AC, meditate but quests don't count. It says I should see 1 more memory. Is that how it supposed to be?... Never past the 1rst "!" In the quest tree.

[restive pulsar]

I think there needs to be textual information in the game to guide newbies on the types of shard events (red shard, black shard) and their rewards, how the location of the shard changes (is it a spec that the shard location changes in the first place), etc.

[grave jetty]

We dob't yet know what makes quests fail sometimes. It's probably a bug.

[lucid python]

Well dang. See it’s been so glitchy for me no way I knew this lol

Do the quest ones show up at specific times or anything? It’s just by chance?

The season guide has shown up once but I’ve never seen the stuff you’re supposed to. Even after completing the light fragment activity, it’s not been completed for me so none of the quests are completed still for me

[grave jetty]

We don't know what makes wax-shards or quest-shards show up. It doesn't seem to be the same for everybody. For me, both of today's shards were quest-shards, but both of yesterday's were wax-shards.

We also don't know what causes quests to fail sometimes, even when people do the light collecting. That's probably a bug, but it's hard to be sure. Please report it as a bug.

[azure bone]

I'm frustrated because it only worked for me the first time.

[lucid python]

Well that’s gonna make it a whole lot more complicated… with each update I’m hoping I’ll be able to just do the quests but this season seems to just have a whole slew of things that can’t seem to get fixed

[grave jetty]

I agree that it's really frustrating when all of the shards you get are wax-shards and you can't make any progress. One of my quest-shards failed today, but the other one worked. I don't know why.

[lucid python]

Well, even the quest ones aren’t working for me tho so like I’ve done the light collecting thing a few times but nothing ever happened after that. Thanks though, you’ve been a huge help! At least I know a little more about what I need to be looking for!

[near crescent]

@winter bay sorry for ping, that me u meet at season place i believe

[tribal herald]

Hi Hi guys,, can i ask a lil sum sum... Im planning to send out a friend a gift.. and Uhh i dont wanna quite use the money I have.. im planning to save it to the rainbow event... anywayyyysss i feel bad that my friend will miss the ones she wants on the LIVE current season... now... uhh.. Rumors has it that Trousers are now IGN instead of IAP, is that correct? If so, the only ones left as an IAP will be the Earrings, is that correct?

[spark lance]

Something makes me wonder i see a lot upset people on the new crawling feature
I'm really hopeful that they gonna change it for the better but some people already lost their hopes in getting a decent result of it i mean i see more people hating it than liking it

Im clueless about how to make it work considering how it takes all the autonomy the players had over their own characters in danger situations
Sometimes we can't receive help from others
I don't play with my friends everyday so there's times i play mostly solo.

[dreamy grail]

Your nickname 💀
That's one way to scare people hehe

[desert token]

I'm just jaded by the nintendo review period - we're already less than 6 weeks away from the start of the next season if we assume an optimistic three week long break between performance and shattering. that means this is basically the final couple builds where any major changes can be made. they've rolled back pretty hard on how it works in eden, so I don't believe they will give us more than this since they clearly aren't going to give up on implementing it

[dreamy grail]

True.... And that's alongside possible issues and thurther changes with UGs as well as possible price alterations... Along with eden changes and damage tweaks

[cunning trench]

that means.. there will be no big changes that could happen?

[dreamy grail]

Also...... We're likely getting DoS stuff being implemented VERY soon, and that's gunna be stress on the Devs as well with all the bugs and stuff
Hey if any Devs come down in chat, could someone see how things are going along with prep for DoS testing for beta implementation if I'm not here?

[hollow compass]

I wanted to write some Eden feedback, but all I could think of was: "crawling looks silly, update does not make me feel more, what is the point of all this?" Then I realised perhaps that wasn't the most constructive feedback, so I'll have a rest and write something tomorrow.

[grave jetty]

Currently in Beta, trousers are IGC, not IAP. That could still change, but I'm not sure it's likely.

[tribal herald]

THANK YOU

[spark lance]

Oh god, it's 6 weeks away?

That is crippling to hear that soon I won't even be close to getting the last statues in Eden, among the many other crippling effects that this change will bring. No more selfless Skykids. If you get hurt you're on your own. No one would help you because they'd put themselves at too great of a risk to even bother helping. I guess this means for me that not only is it time to start farming weekly in Eden, even though I reserve Eden as an emotional experience rather than a venture for the AC that it rewards at the end, it means I can't guide players through Eden who need help.

TGC, it's now or never; double down on the crawling mechanic and kill your playerbase with a really bad update, or turn back and stop with this crappy crawling-when-injured decision.
It's universally an unwanted change. Unless the intent is to anger and demotivate players when knocked down, now is the time that they turn back and revert this choice.
No one wants this.

[cursive tinsel]

To be fair I'm still a little disappointed from when they changed it to autosnap to edges outside trials from prophecy
Takes all the skill out of it and frustrating to jump down holes in archives, prairie etc but it was necessary for the new season feature

So I think this crawl is here to stay because it's necessary for the shard events...in TGC eyes

[spark lance]

I'll tolerate the change if it's specifically for the event, but if it's not, I'm not investing in Sky in terms of time or money. That's pretty much it for me, in terms of enjoying the game.

The crawling have some potential but it goes against the gameplay we had for 3 years until now and a change like that ofc gonna make some people really uncomfortable

The thing that makes me unhappy the most is how helpless i become when I'm crawling they took all the autonomy i had over my skykid
People can be so selfish with the most harmless things on sky opening doors summoning oreo even sitting on benches
Do they think skykids gonna help anyone putting our safety at risk to help some strange?

Would be pretty nice but in the end there's selfish people out there that wouldn't bat an eye to a helpless player

[spark lance]

No, I feel even selfless players wouldn't want to help either.
It's far too dangerous to bother, based on the gameplay I've had access to.

Helping others in, or (god forbid) past this update if it stays, is functionally putting yourself at risk of being in the same position as the person you're helping in the first place. And very few people will likely be willing to do that just to save a stranger. The selflessness this community offers to itself would functionally die.

[copper hound]

I feel like tgc needs to save the crawling mechanic ig a good concept and should be sent to live for a future date and let testing continue on it, like how the friendship constellation underwent months of updates, feedback and testing. Or maybe even dropping the idea in whole if it’s bad amongst the community.

[spark lance]

I would like to give skykids some face and say we're all helpful and selfless but i don't want to paint gold on their faces because as a community we have to consider it

[dreamy grail]

Pretty sure DoR testing is being pushed out of beta till next year with the next build guys

[wary hollow]

Iv seen someone mention in beta screenshots that if they rly want to keep crawling maybe instead have it happen near the black seas part

[nova bay]

Wow found 2 boats at geyser in live commenting on the crawling coming to live 👀

[spark lance]

This. This is the only time I feel that maybe it should be around.
Also nice pfp. It's cute. Reminds me of my own OC.

[spark lance]

Saw that
I also think it's a great idea

[quiet obsidian]

i’m gonna start writing my feedback, this season has gone from really exciting to lacklustre and annoying. Crawling in eden is a terrible idea imo, and it doesn’t bring any new emotional value to the game except anger and annoyance. On top of the whole crawling issue, i think i want to talk about the lack of lore involved. TGC did say they would be including story in a similar way to prophecy, but rn all we have is one new mural. Sure, the fact eden explodes can be considered “lore” but it’s very incomplete. I’ve not seen a whole lot of ideas as to why it does it, and i’ve certainly not seen any other new parts to the backstory of Sky. My friends and i all agree that what we were given in terms of lore was underwhelming, and we got very excited before the season arrived in beta only to be massively disappointed when there was nothing really to see. I could go on for hours, but i’m going to keep the rest of my thoughts for feedback lol

[spark lance]

That text wall jumpscared me

I confess that I've gone as far as to warn people to get their Ascended Candles now to brace for this update. I do not care for likes I get from using shared memories and boats to warn players, I want everyone to be ready to not put up with how stupidly irritating Eden will be.

Why they don't make our call restore our bodies original state ? Like make something to we help ourselves 😑

[dreamy grail]

Honestly same here, besides the whole in eden stuff (because I've not been at all) but I agree that some better changes should be due. Like crawling being an addition, WHEN under heavy stress or pain, when the body physically can't handle the damage. Maybe a damage-strees bar, like when that goes fully red that's when we collapse and crawl. The knocked down thing from crabs and the getting up animation, NICE, I LOVE IT! But I agree, we could do with some changes to make stuff more enjoyable.. back to the stress meter, this would probably be balanced off entry wing count, and rock hit rate, if the hit rate is high when below 50 wedges with say three rocks per hit then your skid become stressed quickly and collapses into crawling, whereas higher wedge players would collapse around 12 AC collected. That'd be way fairer... Right?

[spark lance]

They reverted the decision for deep calls in a small patch. I don't think anyone saw it.

They now save extinguished players, IIRC.

The worst change was

Taking out deep calls who had this idea? it's like our main tools to help each other

[dreamy grail]

Maybe even something like we can carry people over our shoulders if they're knocked down or something? THAT'D BE KINDA COOL, WHO AGREES? (A bit like the picking up knocked down teammate sort thing in battle royale games)

[spark lance]

Still depending on players the ones that suffer the most moths and solo players

[cunning trench]

just happened to me. idk if they could not see me but I'm losing winglights earlier. I kept getting hit by spicy crabs. I can't even stand and would end up probably ded if I didn't log off. but that one skykid is just there, trying to burn darkness, went to one wl in the area, come back then burn more darkness.

[spark lance]

Imagine you can just drag around injured players. Carrying injured players over our shoulders would be friggin cool though. Would provide more of a use for that split star indicator that pops up near an extinguished player. What does that even do, anyway? Rekindle the player like you would light a stranger? That's pretty underwhelming if so.

[quaint grove]

in the patch notes for last update they did make it so that deepcalling does recharge extinguished players and deepcalling to recharge others also recharges you, so i do think some of the risk that comes with trying to help others is taken away since you also get some energy from it

[hollow compass]

But does deep calling help a player who is already crawling?

[spark lance]

Yes it does

[quiet obsidian]

i like that idea a lot, it’s so much better than whatever the heck we have rn

[spark lance]

worried this is going to somehow be capable of causing crashes when memory candles are deep-calling to recharge players

somehow

[dreamy grail]

I feel the "recovery carry" should be a slow recharge but they should be relit with say 5 wedges after 10 seconds and then a slow recharging while being carried. I feel this should also disable wings from carried person to shatter (except via rocks/krills) as to be fair on the player

[spark lance]

someone test this theory for me; extinguish yourself in somewhere like golden wasteland and record your extinguished player deep-calling to recharge others, does the memory candle version of you rekindle, not rekindle itself, or will it cause a crash?

[hollow compass]

Why would a memory candle cause a crash if it didn't before?

[spark lance]

Well the difference is here, extinguished players can now save other extinguished players if I read correctly.

So..?

i finally completed the 4th quest today

[rose dragon]

Wiiiill the rainbow pants be free on live game?—

[dreamy grail]

1. who's ready for the F2P UG reveal in the morning?
2. who's excited for DoS to begin soon
3. who's tested burning all their wings by standing in darkness as their wings rapidly fly out like cards out of a card shuffler?

[spark lance]

This season could be so great if they added more ways to help each other i was pretty fine without crawling to death
Instead of it why dont improve the features we already have ? Make piggyback players give hands? Or make harder to lose the hands of players you have a higher friendship tree
Share winged lights?
Princess carry ?
This season have so much potential it's almost painful to see it flop like that

It's not just in Eden, Tib. As heartbreaking as it is to say.

Anywhere you lose your flame, you are forced to crawl until rekindled.

and if you're a solo wanderer getting extinguished anywhere will be a nightmare

[kindred fossil]

You can’t even rekindle in most situations, it’s better to force quit than endure 72883 WL flying out like confetti

[cobalt jacinth]

Yes... And on the top of it instant recharge potions are disabled in Eden?

[dreamy grail]

Did someone say 194 wing pick up? 🥵
rather than 52 card pick up, it's all your wings

[spark lance]

Recharge potions still work, I think. (confirmation needed)

[kindred fossil]

I can’t open the emote menu when in crawl mode, anywhere

[analog citrus]

Yeah… it all seems unnecessarily punitive. I don’t think there was anything “wrong” with the old way and this isn’t more challenging it’s just annoying

[cobalt jacinth]

It kills the fun of going together to die in Eden.
Emote spamming was so fun

[dreamy grail]

Moff casually struggling crawling...
That one vet who purposely got rocked so the moff wouldn't feel bad: --spin and leap crawl spam-

[naive solar]

This is a weird sentence out of context

[glacial barn]

Kinda miss being able to dance in place whilst awaiting final eden doom

[spark lance]

i think more challenging would just make eden longer right?? and crawl as you get to like 10 wings or something

[ionic bluff]

the crawling mechanic as a whole is just annoying honestly

[quiet obsidian]

crawling in it’s current state is a really dumb idea even outside of eden, if you get light knocked out in gw chances are if you try and go after it you just lose even more light and don’t get to rescue those you lost.

[analog citrus]

I really like Eden but I don’t go all the way thru much cause it such a time suck. This all just adds more time and maybe less reward if you get blasted early and miss out on a bunch of statues

[woeful obsidian]

Feedback

[naive solar]

I agree even if Isee what they're going for

[spark lance]

Recharge potions don't work in Eden anymore?

That sucks, but from a gameplay point of view, I'm glad it's patched.
Abusing potions to survive a storm that is meant to kill you is.. dumb.

I would have a change of heart on this opinion if they don't revert crawling post-season, but still.
Patch abusable bugs. That's good.

[hushed arch]

im pretty sure devs arent going to remove crawling

[kindred fossil]

This is obviously to encourage more interactions between players but this is a 8 per server with spotty server matchmaking game, it’s just not gonna work

[dreamy grail]

Guys.... What if... We were forced into crawl in final limbo? Honestly that would be quite cool.. but like the milk boiiiiii at the end pulls us up, dusts us off then hugs us... NOW THAT WOULD BE COOL

[spark lance]

Different from abyss and season of prophecy players have no choice but participate even if they don't like it
I have plenty of friends that didn't complete the season of abyss because of anxiety

I don't think the matchmaking is spotty more than it is picky. From what I understand it's based on players in your region closest to you doing the same things in the same region of the game you are in.

That's why unlit players go to the same place you do when you follow them to another part of Golden Wasteland or something.

[hushed arch]

i don’t think it would hurt if the server count was increased to 10

[naive solar]

At least they should adjust it to make it less of an annoyance... I am very well aware they're not gonna remove it from the game after giving it so much consideration and work

[dreamy grail]

(Me crawling into feedback with this idea be like /hj)

[hushed arch]

also sky isnt really designed for solo players so

[kindred fossil]

Do they have to suffer though

[dreamy grail]

sentttt:

[spark lance]

Make shiny boi from the black sea start running away from us while we crawl there's the emotional impact you want

[analog citrus]

I’m not here to try and dev the game for them. It their story to tell. I just know this is not fun and hope they can do better.

[spark lance]

If the distance you had to walk was much less, and you crawled a bit slower, the emotional response for this would be so much stronger. Weakly standing up after crawling your way over to the only comforting sight in the afterlife.. You offer one last selfless act and lend a hand up. They offer you a hug, and you start Orbit after being blessed with Light again.

[nova bay]

The only thing we can do is sent as much feedback as possible on how this impact us and maybe suggestions on how to improve and hope for the best 🤞

[hollow compass]

Even if Sky isn't designed for solo players, it will attract all kinds of players, some of which might enjoy social interactions all day long and some of which might like to do things alone also. Punishing people for not wanting to or being able to join in social gameplay all the time is just cruel.

[dreamy grail]

EXACTLY 😖

Hold on... Guys... Remember what Ktjn said a long long time ago... Stories can be ongoing through multiple seasons, with multiple seasons ongoing in one individual realm in s row... What if after the Collab season we see the huge eden lore season. What if this is just the stepping stone into the hell that awaits us?!

[hushed arch]

2 player door moment

but yeah i completely agree with you, it’s just sky is a social game at the end of the day (at least in my eyes) and it’s unlikely the devs will make the game just as easy for solo players as it is for social players

[spark lance]

You ? A solo player?
On my social game?!

No away

Server merge
Have fun

[naive solar]

I've been trying to say this for several weeks now hahaha

[kindred fossil]

It’ll be hard to tell how’ll this play out in live considering that we’re a smaller playerbase, can’t help but worry

[dreamy grail]

What I'm saying is, what I'd the eruptions and the shards are just a small aspect of what awaits us in the future?!

[hushed arch]

personally i think this season is a test to see how seasons that don’t add lore/worldbuilding/story do but if it ends up being heavily connected to future seasons i will be very pogchamp

[lone nest]

huh

[spark lance]

✌️ as my unstable internet boots me and lets me play alone, which means next time i merge the chance increases for all of the wax I need to CR for anyways gets lit for me