#beta-discussion
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not in beta, but if i remember correctly, they weren't allowed until the season actually comes out.
ok, thought i remembered that being for the trials but np 
Spell pedestal gone? That probably means merch is shipping :0
I'm getting really hyped to be able to play the season in live finally qwq
back to work. no more overtime in sky T^T
is there a price chart for the season spirits yet ? if so , which one is the most expensive , so i can start there first ?
that's illegal. pls refrain from doing that.
but imma beta tester
oh apologies , i just read the pins . wont ask again , ill just wait 
i mean from entering in live.
i’ll dm u a pic
Wait four?! I only found two unless if the hot springs are uh-
Why some ppl hates the pants of the bunny spirit? It looks cute for me

yo someone hates it?! it's magnificent
IKR! And yea, there's some people who actually dont like it
damn. i feel like a warrior wearing it
I mean, people just have different tastes
I'm not a beta tester but i wanna be. I like to spoil myself. And i just love those pants
true seraph. well. i mean i think majority loves it
Q: Are all spirits unlocked in first day? Just curious
Also had that question. I started in the middle of the last season so I'm really not sure how seasons start with the spirits.
youll see in a few hours, this isnt really the place to bug testers with questions 
oh- really sorry then-
it's alright. all spirit are available right away. usually that is.
Also things that happen in beta doesn’t mean they will happen in live, for example the seasonal quests from the guide happened a few days between each other, but in live it was a week
is there a ts chart for jan 2021? bc I thought i remembered ts charts for the beta being a thing 
also is there a way to report a bug outside of discord? ik that this isnt the right place to asky this but idk where
hmm what chart? ts are the same for live and beta. regarding the bug reports, I think discord is the only way (preferred)
You can report bugs though helpshift in game, but for beta it is strongly preferred to do it here
if you mean when ktjn announced it, it will be in #beta-announcements (if there is one)
okey dokey thank you!
does anyone have the full guide for dreams?
we have been discouraged to post guides and maps during testing. however, i'm sure there will be lots of guides once the season starts in a few hours!
oo oke ty
in the beta rn, how many seasonal candles are needed to get the pipa?
we don't know for sure cause it'll probably change in live.
the pipa?
the mr groovy instrument
Hello, does anyone have price list for new season? Would be very thankful to see screenshots in #beta-screenshots-videos
again, we were discouraged to post lists of things for the season as it was testing. anything can change from beta to live
The season arrives in about 4 hours. You'll get your price list then.

whats the name of the instrument thats in this season?
it's called pipa
or maybe a biwa?
just a gentle reminder to read through #beta-faq if you haven't already! it reminds us that the beta channels aren't meant to be a q&a. anyways, the season is gonna start in a few hours, i'll bet you 5 of my winged light that someone already has a list/guide ready to post 
Is music sheet 19 free?
Nastymold uploaded the full guide for the season of dreams just 20 minutes ago, maybe that can help you. Just check out her YouTube channel 
Keep in mind that any beta content is subject to change. Beta isn’t a preview of upcoming content, it’s for testing
Since when Yeti Slope name change to Hermit Valley?
haha somewhere along the update
Can someone either dm me or tell me where all the wl are? I’m missing one still
Search the hermit valley, it’s out there, don’t be afraid to get lost 
Heloooo
Did they not change it back to yeti yet
we encourage getting lost haha
My only hope is in live version now 
Also what's up with slowmode
I don't think this chat ever goes into chaos 
you’d be surprised
This chat used to be a warzone about a month ago 
i still call it yeti slope.
Ah same, it’s gonna be weird seeing people in live call it Hermit valley, it’ll always be yeti slope in our hearts
, I’m in favor of multiple names
Are beta testers excited for it to come to live.
I don't feel any anxiety or excitement
:pFIRE: :pFIRE: :pFIRE:
i'm really excited tho. like i'm ready to cry again.
There are 5 wl in new zones right?
I haven't found all 5 yet 
It's nice to find them on your own.
I’m gonna find it hard to sleep tonight, mostly because dreams has been a season I have been waiting for for a very very long time
(cozy warm colors, houses, heartwarming story, explorability, etc)
maybe this season isn’t like that for you, it’s ok if you don’t feel anything, I usually don’t 
iirc there are 3 in main area and 2 in yeti slope? i never found the two in yeti slope though
Fly around the cave and fly along the boat line
For yeti slope: check the window
, and scour the ravine
I've always loved valley because of the sunset. So this season was like my favorite
gracias 
One behind the window of yeti's room
And one in the mountains as you enter yeti slopes
i always log in, in beta just to go to yeti slope and cry at the everlasting sunset while listening to instrumental music
Everyone is calling yeti yeti ahhhh they are all going to be disappointed 
Only OGs remember yeti slope B)
Imma scream if on live it will be yeti slopes but it wouldn't be open till third quest right?
i'm not sure. if they gonna use it for the quest or just open it right away. but i like it as a quest tho
is hermit valley and village the same place? if not how to go to hermit valley 
Miri, what's up with slowmode 
@fallow echo hermit valley is the new name of yeti slope
lol people that didn't give in at the spoilers are gonna be shookt when they do the first quest cause it's so simple and gonna be like "is that it"? but wait until they do the 2nd quest upto final
Prophecy quests: 
Dream quests:
thats ez -> I take that back 
tgc gave us heaven after experiencing hell
But why 
from the trials. the death loops, the constant death. but I still love prophecy
just realized the peeking postman could be male
that means he blushed at the yeti Owo
i'm gonna complete the whole yeti look first just like I did in beta
Though I barely did much, I’m proud to at least have slightly contributed to this season
We did it, gang
Sigh anyone can’t see the bear hug emote. I can’t see it at all
the emote?
I updated every thing and it doesn’t work. Can’t bear hug 
did you unlock it with a friend?
Really wish there was a better way..to know beforehand if someone is Beta. Ugh
Guys can i ask are zenitsu cape and red pants free?(well im pretty sure they’re not but still)
Can you see the village from the end of the races?
we still don't know it may change in live
Yeah but the season is coming in an hour so i hope they don’t change anything
i have a feeling peeking postman pants will be free. just a gut feel
takes refuge from the hype in live's general
This was my first time as a beta tester, and it was a lot of fun. Will we get advance notice for the next round, or do I have to do the same thing for the next season?
i think it's the same thing.
Crab call ts in beta isn’t it? And yes i know the ts is not today, i wanna test it calls
no
Beta ts should be the same as the live for this upcoming ts iirc, wonder what will change with the ap lock testing though 
As always new season start, gen chat goes brr
and beta is always quite haha
lol we're having server issues due to spike of sky kids populating the village. i'm glad we're so excited
since when is the postman a follow spirit?!?!
it always has been
where’s the postman again
for a meme
no...? it was a carry spirit
doing this in Beta for courtesy of others
oh yeah I remember. lol sorry. it was a carry spirit. I mistook it for the spinning mentor
"It takes a village to raise a child"
yeah... I kind of understand why they did it... you couldn't see the memories far off
where is the Postman located again
behind the houses at the right side of the village
Guys...some spirits aren’t working and can’t get boat to go up...
i think it's related to the spike of people in the area
general reminder to please keep chat about the live game in #general-sky-discussion, #seasons-events-chat, or another appropriate live-game channel 
haha sorry I can't help but answer
Hey! Anyone else having issues with the first memory quest in live? I'm wondering if it's related to my linked beta account. Can't re-live it.
Beta and Live are separate apps. Please keep Live related questions to #seasons-events-chat
Same
Hey i was wonderin is the music sheet 19 from yeti or the bunny spirit?
Please keep Live questions to #seasons-events-chat I believe there is a pin with prices there also.
Oke doke
The yeti slope will be open on the third quest right?
Welp new season in live is here
two questions: did they not fix the boats freezing everyone? i thought they did, but it happened to me when collecting spirits in live. also since when was peeking spirit not carry anymore .. oops
Seems like freezing issue when boat activated is still there in live.
instead of yeti reset, live got a bunch of other spirit issues..... rip
Oh man I forgot about the yeti reset 
rip indeed 🥲🥲 although i didn’t seem to have any issues with the spirits surprisingly. only peeking but it was fixed by going home and coming back
cjdjfjf
How much does the whole season of dreams constellation cost??
ask this in #seasons-events-chat , this is live content now
Psst some calmness 
Man, now that Season of Dreams has began in live, little did they know that Trial of Time would be in 2nd season quest 
The timer was fixed right?
Or is it still too fast
i am the lone witness to what these 2 messages above me said before they edited it... 😔 
is the skating girl actually a bug?? i thought it was just a thing that happened after first quest and stopped when one completed the quest of her looking at the stadium

Not a bug
that’s what i thought but people keep calling it a bug
so confused
Iye are you still lurking 
Oh
skating girl was a bug at one point, i think? at least for beta only. i remember there were discussions about it
I can't even play sky rn server crashes too much 
That’s what I remembered. They said it was a bug and that the skater wasn’t supposed to be there.
i remember she had vanished at one point but i don’t think she was a bug, i really thought it was intentional. i thought her vanishing was a bug itself
i found my message from the time she was removed, haha
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/583370574449999880/785811235295592458
Same as in live people thought it was a bug that the girl was skating there
Her removal was a bug yes
i only remember aeras saying a way to get the girl to skate again on the rink was to relive the postmans spirit memory first, because after doing the 3rd or 4th quest the girl just stands there at the rink staring at the statue
Then why isn’t the skater moving in Beta if it wasn’t a bug?
She shouldn't be skating after 4th quest as in 5th quest she will be in stadium
have you done all the quests?
oh right i forgot about that 
No she isn't she stopped after 4th quest
Ok
I haven't completed yeti's constellation in beta yet 
The wax in eden gave me 2.3 candles with 3 chevrons active 😍
Thats nice
idk who mentioned it before that eden wax doesn’t count into chevrons, but it does i checked it yesterday. That was a profitable eden for sure
suprisingly they did not relocate the spirit tree. I thought they will ap lock the yellow cape and those free cosmetic are the good one
free pants 
After doing eden again , I’m more and more hoping that some changes wil be brought to the hail area , might it be an increase of kids to give light to , or an expansion of the area. I’m reborn with 68 wings now and after collecting all lights and doing eden , I always have to wait for the 40+ lights to get knocked out at the end☹️
You should send this in #beta-feedback
Oeh , this is a tricky one cause it’s technically not a beta feature for the moment.
what i want to see in eden, though this was back in pre-launch, the blue eden oob 
idk why but i find it pretty, all the elders can be seen in it and it just feels like it adds more when i look at it?
Tgc still has the old eden slide /fly trip. I wonder why they never used that one anymore , with the 🦋
It's funny that you can get all the status with 60+ reborn wings if you go to eden twice without collecting a single one in the realms. Im not sure which is morr effective a double eden or a full wing run+eden.
the most effective imo is getting the easiest wl in-between Prairie and GW normal cr route and those are for me around 30 extra so when I go to stormlock I have a little over 100 wich is enough to get every statue, this with 62 wing buff + credit star tho
personally, i'm more fixated on the idea of whether having fewer winged lights to speed up the eden trip is worth the lower CR speed throughout the week; i'm definitely feeling a fair bit slower than usual if i attempt to candle run on 7 flaps instead of my usual 10, because that's cutting my ability to sprint across certain distances -- that extra delay in the CRs might not be worth waiting a couple more minutes in eden to get the wings beaten out
it's a choice between spending some extra time collecting all the wings and waiting a bit longer at eden to have more mobility in your CRs for the duration of the week, versus spending less time to collect wings and waiting less at eden in exchange for more restrictions during your weekly CRs -- i'm personally preferring the "more flaps" choice
it also depends if you have a batt in cr, the only place I found annoying with few flaps is getting out of the underground cavern in forest real fast, I have to recharge in a jellyfish when I'm with 7 wedges, no other point come to my mind where more than 7 or 8 wedges make a significant different to my cr time
For me lower wedges can be felt everywhere cuz I like to boost. I don’t stop flapping until I have nothing left 😆
i remember wasteland (particularly the approach to the ark) really annoying me quite a bit when i didn't have my usual 10 flaps, and i'm also the type to flap-sprint everywhere so long as it's not going to cause me to slide and massively overshoot where i'm aiming for; forest is also more annoying to manage when the rain's constantly draining your light
Personally I can't survive without my 11 flaps. I just use up all my flaps as long as I still have 
Im fine with one flap until i have a friend to charge.
who i usually have, but on solo runs waste can be harder that's true.
that part in gw to ark with 8 wedges and a friend is really fast, I'm more annoyed by the bugs where the boat charge but doesn't send you to ark but your friend do get sent to ark 
Wow getting the bear hug is pretty easy in live 
I remember I had to try like 7-8 times and it kept resetting
i've always gotten it on my first 
I got it on my first try in beta too. it went back one checkpoint once but never reset entirely for me
Wasnt the peeking postman a carry spirit when it was launched in beta or was it a follow spirit? My memory is a bit hazy
Yes
I remember I had to drag the light all the way to the end
It's changed in live
Yeah any reason why it got changed?
maybe because the carryball spirits are super buggy? but isn't yeti still a carry on live (I haven't gone to check)?
Yup it's same
...
i remember abt an oob in dream village where the stadium was black with so many stars.... does anyone know how to go there?
I think that OOB doesn't exist anymore
I never went to it but I recall people talking about not being able to get back to it after one of the earlier updates
oh. that's sad
you can still go there, it's just the stars are gone now
ah ok so it doesn't exist in the same way then!
🥲 that looked so beautiful
!whenisthenextbetaupdate
!sometimeinthefuture
!whenisnextbetaupdate (without the "the")
I’m gonna ask here cause I’m not sure, are we allowed to talk about the yeti place in live chat?
thank you for the answers!
hermit valley isn't accessible yet on live due to being tied specifically to the third spirit quest so anything inside hermit valley shouldn't be discussed in live but anything regarding just the name or it's accessibility is ok to discuss in live channels.
yes! It was the prettiest place I've ever seen
Hi, I have a question, if I have the beta version (well I don't have it but I'm just curious lol) and I factory reset my device I can still download the beta sky again? (Hope that makes sense lol sorry)
Yes you can
Ohhh okay thank you!
if you join the next beta invite wave and somehow happen into that scenario, just make sure you sign into the same google or game center account that you used to become a tester in the first place and you can redownload. SKYBOT NO 
@random gull, to join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-signup-info! You can learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.
Hey guys, where does the second entrance in the Colosseum which is locked in live lead to?
Hello 😶
the hermit valley is inaccessible in live because it's tied to one of the seasonal quests
I wouldn’t say inaccessible you can fly there but it’s tricky
The second exit at colosseum is for future expansion
Is it? I thought it was just for symmetry.
Hermit valley is inaccessible, the level transition is not active
When is the next ts? This thursday?
!ts
The next Traveling Spirit is scheduled to arrive on January 7 at 00:00 Pacific Time (UTC -8:00)
You can read how Traveling Spirits work here: http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits
I love that we can’t go hermit valley yet ... in fact it’s awesome ... I must say even though I done the season in beta - I did really enjoy starting again .. apart from the bugs ...hearing the music again is the best ... I really do hope that turtle boat camera issue and camera that plagues all realms gets fixed ASAP cause it really does spoil the feeling... the boat paralysation is the worst and makes me not want to visit the village ... if when you loose controls and it shows you a cutscene then it would feel better ( like the manta one in praire except you can move in that )
Its weird cause those issues never appeared in beta and the beta season went pretty smooth too. I don’t understand how come it gets so buggy once it’s on live
Um, all of these issues were in beta for the first iteration of the season.
But Live also has a higher player load, which causes issues with reliving spirits colliding with other features.
Not smooth 
I couldn't go home in the start
My game would crash a lot 
It took more then a week for it to be a little stable
Sometimes bugs reappear after they’ve been fixed, the devs can’t predict this stuff
So dissapointing it always happen like everytimeeeee 😫
The boat paralyzation is in live too?
When is the new candle system out?
We don’t know, all we were given was “sometime this year”
Okay.. Thank you
Live really is a shock after the 25 candles per day (+ improved candle system) of beta
Unforeseen bugs .. yep ... but it’s the boat one I want fixed more than all , I half expected issues with spirits ..the boat one I think may be tricky to fix ... but I admit that apart from the spirit issue and camera ones ...it’s actually all good so far - my friends that never tested beta are really loving it - that’s what matters and makes me re enjoy it .. 🕊🤍🕊
aka Soon™️
I think the boat issue is similar to the Prairie village one with the mantas. Depending on what the game interprets as the active area, players will be made part of the cut scene whether they want to or not. It's probably difficult to separate the cut scene from everyone who isn't activating it.

Yes but in prairie we can move away from the cutscene which is for now not possible in the boat cutscene
uhm can i see lvl 3-4 of the sit spin-layback spin emote please
exactly, that's what I was saying: it depends on how the game sees the player being active in the cut scene. They might not be able to completely separate it in Village, but instead come up with a solution similar to Prairie.
I don’t think it was like that from day 1 in beta, tho. I don’t remember being frozen when other people activated it.
what will be the ts this thursday guys?

It's just a theory.
Live is the new beta? Same issue with spirits as we had in beta i hear... I've yet to visit the new area in live. Wish me 🤞 luck
Live was always the new beta. 
I’ll never forget having to wait to make a video in live because they updated the new vault area weeks into the new season
Yo I wonder if they’re gonna do anything for Valentine’s Day
we had days of love last year, so they might. we'll just have to wait and see
I hope they bring back the swing
Are beta players allowed to keep their collected items/cosmetics?
Yes.
Unless there is a reason for them to wipe collected items for some reason. I think they only have reset elder trees and candles before.
Why do you ask, btw?
you keep your items until a progress wipe but afaik there's only been one full progress wipe. Just keep in mind it's still possible to happen again in the future if needed. They have wiped our currency since I started beta testing so I don't get super attached to anything I have in case.
I was watching a video guide for this season and she had a lot of items
Ok. Is that not what you expected for some reason? I'm trying to understand your question.
no, i was just curious
I go to prairie social space,when bored
Live: moths running around,people playing instruments and others listening.Quiet atmosphere
Beta: lots of people using hacks,spam calls,nobody ever listens to you playing.Plain chaotic
You still need it?
hi! Just wondering, can beta players meet normal players?
Maybe instead of locking the camera that is focus on our sky kids, we can see the boat being activated instead. Also tgc can provide a skip button.
that way people won’t complain as much
beta is a separate app, but most (if not all) beta players play live as well. but you cannot find beta content unless you are in the beta app itself
Beta and Live versions of Sky are completely separate apps. Progress/purchases in one have no effect on progress/purchases in another.
Okay, thank you!
@rancid mist Hi there, I'm reaching out about your bug report <#beta-bugs-android message> could you tell me which spirits you did not see and what level you were in? (it is okay to @ me with your reply) thanks!
Yea
Alright, I’l make the vid and DM you it in a sec 😄
I really miss the adventure pass in live...
We do our best to report hackers and other blatant misconduct, but does it work...?
#beta-announcements message they use our reports from beta to make it harder to hack in live, as it’s much harder to tell if someone is hacking in live than it is beta, live gets better with every report from beta
It's easier to log actions and such on beta compared to live also due to less people on, smaller logs to sift through.
I see
People have been seeing missing seasonal spirit. Could be because another player has activated it and is in the middle of the reliving process, so new player can't activate it because it's not there.
This particular bug report stood out but lacked important context which is why QA specifically asked me to reach out for more information.
There's a big difference between a quest in-progress and missing entirely.
I'm confused by that report as the version number doesn't match the current beta version also.
I did see the bear hug spirit being there but unable to light in live when I first went.
if you haven't already, please submit a bug report, and be sure to include specifics about which spirit you couldn't find and what zone you were in. Details and specifics are valuable to the team to more quickly identify the cause of a bug and subsequently find a fix more readily.
Half the dreams spirits were missing for me in live, just an orange glow where they should have been(I also saw this bug with the Pouty Porter, yeah I've been meaning to report it for a while)
As it stands, we're unable to reproduce what is happening on Live right now on internal servers, so any lead is helpful.
Lyze, if you could report that about a non-seasonal spirit, that would be incredibly helpful.
For me I can't relieve the skater memory for first quest. Even if i did it, the quest won't register as success
i think there is an issue of someone already starting the spirit, and it being gone when people get there, only showing an orange orb. and when it completes it doesn’t let you light again because you were in the area. that’s what happened to me at least, with peeking. going home and going back worked for me and my two friends who were with me (live)
however it did happen to someone else in gen chat and going back home and going back didn’t work for them 
Yeah, we're aware it's likely due to a corrupted instance, but we're unsure if it's a server/network issue or a game code issue. one of those is considerably easier to resolve than the other.
It's also something with server merging as well, I spent a while trying to get the Peeking Postman, as soon as the server merged it showed up as completed, but then it remerged and the memory came back to where it was supposed to be for me, and then remerged again and I had to fly to the spirit's husk to get the emote
We know, the team has been solely focusing on this since the season began 16 hours ago. It's pretty simple to explain what's occurring from an optics perspective, but the technical aspects are much more complex. It's not something that is easily resolved like a typo or a missing checkbox.
Could it be the same as having carried spirit light left over stuck to you like the reliving is not ending like it should?
I can only share what worked for me in Live. There are 2 spawn points in Village of Dreams: one on the smaller frozen lake behind the quest giver, and another by the ski lift with the candle cake. So whichever spirit you want to collect you need to leave the map on that spawn point. Close the app (going Home doesn’t help), relaunch, use return shrine. You have about 10-15 seconds to initiate the spirit memory before the “server jumps”: you know it happened when the camera freezes and spirit memory suddenly completes. You can then walk to the frozen statue, activate it and collect the spirit.
I don’t know if this information could help Ktjn, I tried going in Village of Dreams in Live in a group of 6 (with friends) and since we didn’t get any server merges, we could see all four spirits pretty fine. We even took our time to take photos and then collect spirits.
Surely must be because previous reliving is not ending after the server merges.
ah maybe I should try to collect spirits on live then and help with bug reports. I was going slow for personal reasons but the urge to help is strong
I did see server missing problem after reliving the dance teacher spirit. In live
I thought spirits were missing for everyone (known issues)?
Oh wait that’s in live
I finished relived them all
I got one spirit with no issues this morning. the twirl spirit. going now to see if I encounter issues with the other 3
collected peeking postman no problem! went in solo. edit: my camera is going haywire though..
i’ll head onto sky rn to bug report stuff
gotta get da bugs squashed on the same way 3yr old me stepped on a roach barefoot in texas at 8pm 🤺
yeti completed on it’s own after hitting the first checkpoint. literally I hit the first checkpoint and the spirit turned into the little wisp thing and flew all the way to the end
My god is so bugged the season
Oh yeah, I had a non seasonal spirit go missing in live. Could not replicate it in beta, but I'll go back in live to see if I can get it to happen again. It was a forest spirit iirc
Pouty Porter said adios for me 🚶
and still solo here but not sure if I”m in the same instance, the other spirit (the dance one idk the name of) is just a wisp right now but it’s not moving and I can’t activate it
If this is a server merge issue, that might be why I couldn't replicate it in beta, since there aren't as many players
I did go into beta the night before Dreams so I could freshen up on spirit locations and winged light locations, I guess a few other people had the same idea, our problems were mostly with the boats restarting(freezing our controls) and the camera freezing, you know like normal, I gave up after I couldn't see the Postman, I decided to go to bed 
Is it just me, the live version has more bugs than the beta when we first started testing?
yeah, sometimes that happens. the dev team has been working nonstop trying to fix it (see above)
It's been odd but not unexpected, these specific bugs are pretty tricky so all we can do is wait for a fix and support the devs the best we can
True. I'm patient when it comes to this. I just keep hyping my friends haha so they won't lose their excitement
I think live has more people as Aeras said so if this is a server merge bug then the bug is gonna be a LOT worse on the server with 50 million people than the one with 30 thousand
i'm heading into beta in a few minutes, gonna go to forest, if anyone wants to relive spirits and see if we server merge with the bug
I did all 4 spirit in beta this morning when season just hit live, they worked here perfectly. And I never noticed somehow that skating girl is actually recharging you while she skates and you move through it. Guess she counts as an active spirit.
Same, but in live! Seems a bit suspicious to me that I was able to take my time and relive all of the spirits’ memories without any problems right after the reset (and I was solo), but after that when I was helping friends, it was soso hard to get them to work
restarted my game and waited and came back in. I was able to activate the shimmy spirit this time but ti auto completed after the first two checkpoints and turned into a wisp and went straight to the end. still solo
time to relive all the forest spirits! 
I could relive shimmy in full as I should have been able to in live since they were the first spirit I lit up, others not so much
Not sure if this helps in the technical aspects of the case of vanishing spirits. In Live: me and my android friends can see the spirits if we switch off WiFi before we enter village from return shrine @ home. After we start a spirit memory we can switch on the WiFi and complete the memory without any issue...
should I submit each spirit as a separate bug report <_<;
I didn't, I think if you're detailed enough with your additional information it's fine?
going through forest again cause it's my favorite! it didn't work the first time lol
currently trying to reproduce the non-seasonal spirit bug on beta if a bunch of people wanna go to the broken bridge area and try and force a server merge with me and/or Aeras. I have a spirit currently active and one already relived
and after a half hour of testing.... nothing! couldn't replicate the bug. 
It's probably their attempt to fix the bear hug spirit reset that started the new spirit missing bug.
maybe. i could try to go in live later to see if i can catch it again. it's the non-seasonal ones that i'm concerned about, since the bug apparently affects those too
I was looking in #beta-bugs-ios and found out some people in live reported bugs...
Also when you freeze in the new area, it’s probably the boat cutscene, it’s worst in beta since there are three boat lifts...
I couldn’t reproduce missing spirit entirely. I got a wisp on the one spirit I couldn’t activate. it was floating around like a finished spirit memory but not going to the end checkpoint
I think it will be better after a few days or maybe even weeks since everyone’s rushing to the spirits
hello everyone, how are we all doing on this fine evening/morning/night
hello, what are everyones opinions on the ap locked ts? also are live people looking in allowed to give feedback?
i want to give a feedback about ap locked ts because if they are locked i will be sad :( but i dont know how to give good, maybe constructive, feedback on it. i also dont have any ideas for alternatives for keeping the value of the items while not costing money. i was thinking maybe if you have the ap, the items that were locked in the season would be cheaper, but that feels overcomplicated.
i might not make a feedback because i might not be allowed, or because im too scared. but i still want to hear what others think. thanks
I'm okay with ts being locked.
you are allowed to give feedback on beta things even if you aren't in beta. and you don't have to give an alternative. just tell the devs how you feel about such a system 
What are the specifics on the lock? Is it just that you have to have the current pass to be able to shell out candles for some of the TS items, or are you able to get said items without candles if you have the pass?
when we were testing it, the items behind the lock were free. the ones that needed candles were slightly more expensive than they would have been in live. the overall price is cheaper.
hi beta people, how are you feeling about the new candle forging system?
Wow, it's actually tough to formulate my definitive opinion on that... Normally, i'd definitely be against throwing non-iap players under the bus like that, but most of my active friends, even the ones that are unable to buy iap recieved the pass this time around... And with the upcoming candle forging changes, that might solve some of the candle-run burnout regardless of the cheaper prices in the AP-Locked TS. So really, I think non-iap players would just be losing in a system like that.
i only get a little time a day to farm so, I love it.
haha oops I didn't read above and didn't even know the ap locked ts was a thing, but thanks :)
I was with a friend tonight that could not complete the quest in the village and we couldn't see any of the spirits. We both restarted several times- logged out and waited a minute and logged back in. Luckily she is patient and will just try again tomorrow. I was able to do everything this morning while performing hard restarts.
hi is this from beta? if it's not, live discussion are discussed here #general-sky-discussion . thank you.
Sorry this was live.
@vapid briar well it was in the village of dreams and i didnt see the peeking postman and if Im not wrong its never appeared to me yet now I've realised people are also experiencing this problem
and also the spirit of the girl just freezes and turns to a faint blue light and doesn't move at all
@vapid briar ps im a live version player idk why im here 😅
u sure bout that 🧐
Just tested it out. If you carry some ppl it's more unlikely to trigger the bug. Which means prevent server merge can get out of this bug.
cause u reported the bug for the beta version I think 
thanks for following up! Your bug report was flagged beta, so that's why i pinged you here.
has season of dreams area have its ost yet?
!betats oops did they delete the command 
!tsbeta 
Traveling spirits in beta have different scheduling than in live, and have no bearing on future traveling spirits.
Check #news for announcements and save up your candles!
thank you very much! ☘︎︎
hello everyone!! i'm here to ask about travelling spirit prices (sorry, i'm new to this server so if this topic has already been talked about then woops!!) and whether or not the new price system will be implemented into the game?? or just general updates on the beta travelling spirit price system if anyone has any information
It's still tested and there's no dates when the system will be implemented, we don't even know if it's gonna be implemented or not
:0
things tested in beta always have the possibility of being added to live - we don't know more than what the devs tell us
the only spirits affected by the testing have been extra spirits that have not appeared in the live version of the game, so we're not even testing it currently 
the last ts in beta is bugged, the seasonal logo (pass-locked) is there but you still need to buy the cosmetics (in the new system you can get free cosmetics if it is marked as pass-locked). nobody knows when the system will hit live, or if it will ever hit live at all 
ah, that's very helpful!! thank you everyone for clearing this up
theres been a mistake but thanks for reaching out and making sure anyway
Hi beta! Peiple I need help UwU...can somebody tell which emote the first quest gives? And is there some location chart for the first quest?
the quests don't give emotes, but since this content is now live you can ask in #seasons-events-chat there may also be some helpful pins in that channel.
I can’t remember what this is called bc I’m not in beta, but I saw someone mention somewhere that there’s a feature where like, each player has a friendliness rating or something like that?? I was wondering if anyone knows what it’s called so I can search the channel to read about it. I could be mistaken/misremembering though!!
Shepherd system, a mysterious meter of friendship.
l have a question
I just logged on and my joystick appeared in the upper left corner and had a life of its own?
concerning 
Um....a "somehow" brand new player (even though beta invites are closed) just unlocked EVERY seasonal item in front of me, then went really fast beyond normal speed into a realm after they realized I reported them.
W h a t
good thing you reported them
do players know if you report them?
They don't know, but they definitely suspected it since I stared at them the entire time and honked alot.
A question: when the candles forging system will start in live sky and how many lvls do we get ?
There are five levels to each of the three chevrons. As for when it'll go live, I'm not sure, but they said sometime this year.
I just done full candle run in live while carrying 4 ppl. No stop and it takes 2 hour and 21 min. Is it slow or fast?
that's the average time, some usually finish in an hour and 30 minutes. my best was... 1 hour and 49 minutes
Why do you ask that here? #questions-and-help would be better, or maybe even #general-sky-discussion since it seems more like a discussion topic.
could be related to the new system? there isn't much of a difference for a full run either way
I'ma preparing feeling the different between live and beta cr experience. I need some compares..
I don’t think there should be a difference in time from beta and Live. It’s just the wax collecting that is different.
oh then, you'll only notice a difference for a partial run, not a full one
depends on how much time you have to spend burning stuff. you will definitely feel the difference between a melted and an unmelted server
The only difference you notice is that candle forging slows down after a while, but you still get the same amount of wax if you do a full run.
!ts
The next Traveling Spirit is scheduled to arrive on January 7 at 00:00 Pacific Time (UTC -8:00)
You can read how Traveling Spirits work here: http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits
So the “double” wax from candles also made it into live?
you mean the balls of light reappearing on top of some candles even though you've already collected them? yeah, that seems to be in live as well
the treasure candles already had that issue on live during days of feast too but I noticed the seasonal candles doing it too. It definitely has been confusing people though I've had to explain the animation shows but you're not actually getting more "wax"/ light pieces 
the darkness plants have been appearing bright even after being burnt and their wax collected for a while too. in both live and beta. first noticed it around when this testing period started 
I wonder if this is a result of the same server issues causing the spirit bugs too
even non-seasonal spirits are buggy in live. I couldn't recreate the bug in beta but server merges are significantly less frequent on beta
maybe you are being merged, but the plants aren't burned in your new instance? in any case, there would be significantly less active instances to merge into 

Isn’t the carry the light yeti quest supposed to have a timer ??
it did on beta. I didn't have it long enough on live to see if it had a timer or not though because it literally auto completed once I hit the first checkpoint
Didnt have in beta for me yesterday either
They removed the timer in beta too
Made it easier to stop and take photos.
huh weird
maybe the timer got taken away because of how complex it was? I specifically remember completing it with so little time left I almost missed it 
Yeah , especially when we needed to get back 4 times when it was still bugged
Ok so I’m so confused what’s beta???
beta is where the developers test upcoming features in a controlled environment with real players before they release it live.
oh ok. do you have to get it or is it already in the game?
Yeah
read up on #beta-faq how to join the beta program. the beta and live apps are two entirely different apps SKYBOT EVERY TIME 
@random gull, to join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-signup-info! You can learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.

gotta go fast 
...joke aside, good thing you have a chance to report them
Hey guys. I'm typing it in beta so ppl don't realize this spoiler. But don't you think the new season trailer is revealing too much? Like the spirits clapping on the skater for 4th quest cutscene and how the stadium lights up for the final quest. Idk. I just feel it's more magical and emotional experiencing it all by myself with no expectation.
stadium scene was only 4 seconds long I don’t think it ruins anyone experience 
I agree, I didn’t feel like the trailer spoiled anything either! Besides we have to wait at least a week in between each of the quests so there’s plenty of time for people to forget what they saw in the trailer before they get to that quest
imo trailers generally are supposed to spoil some stuff, so u could say that's how they work.. I mean it's not like there's something else to show in it but a smoll clips of what u may experience in that season etc
although nice observation.. I don't like trailers I never bay attention to em lel.
exept enchantment.. it was short but magical
can i see
please don't @ someone for a message from hours ago
and that kind of thing isn't supposed to be discussed anyways
It's slightly unfortunate that YTers are "spoiling" the new season's upcoming content, although at the same time it's what they make a living off... 
Someone said that there were two wls in hermit valley - I've only found one, has anyone found two?
ride the gondola down hermit valley to the village and face the opposite direction, you'll see a small cave after a while
Oof yea, I've seen so many bug reports and confusion from people not being able to access hermit valley yet. Whilst theyre not reaaaally supposed to know what exists there, and defintely not have the name for it yet :p
Oh wow, thanks a lot! It's really well hidden aaaa
the name of hermit valley was made public
probably why everyone is so confused they can't access the hermit valley, i didn't even know it existed until the third quest. if we had the name for it during testing i would be just as confused
Yeah, but lots of people are referencing the YT videos they've seen, and they know about the wls there as well.
It was pretty fun experiencing everything without knowing
Rn my friends in live version already knew what they're gonna see coz of YouTube
yeah it does make me sad that beta testers are putting the content out on youtube so early
without spoiler tags too so if you watch sky content on YT a lot the thumbnails and sometimes video titles give away all the info for you.
I can't believe tgc didn't remove those two candles 
the treasure candles or something else?
The oob ones around the questgiver in dreams i think.
oh! I forgot about those
the
what?
oh there's lots of surprises in OOB 
I need to oob more often then 
Is “Yeti” copyrighted or something? Why’d they change it?
I forgot about those too, because you get the wax sometimes when passing through there and it's not apparent from where it's coming.
they probably didn't want to have a "real" mythical creature for a name
that being said, I obviously have no idea lol
the first day of season I brought my friends to oob places and also those 2 candles 🤣 I feel like a tour guide for a day
you might be onto something though misty! they do leave things intentionally vague on sky lore so they probably didn't want it to be canon that it was a yeti so people could interpret it how they liked. hermit is vague while still describing them living alone in the "valley" 
Half the spirits are hermits tho 😅
that's very true. they do all seem to be friends though with the dreams village memories we see
A lot of them live in caves
do they actually live in the caves or is the memory we see just them exploring (or in the case of cry: ||getting stuck and dying||) in the caves?
They sure work in a lot of caves then
, at least Cry spirit does
Butterfly catcher, a bunch of seasonal ones...
The prairie cave on the left
The locked doors in prairie. Ok a lot of prairie spirits are hermits
I would make a hermit crab joke but that would feel forced
There like 3 more in oob at the entrance on the other side of the road where dance spirit sits
Oh cool, a fix! I'll definitely check that out when I can
Thank you! 
is a backend oopdate?
Yes! This one shouldn't require you to update your game
Is it just the spirits or also the quest?
Ooo, I'll have to check it out later 
Thank you for working hard!

hellooo did tgc removed a winged light from dreams beta for live?
The 3 winged light in the village were in the same spot. We can't go into hermit Valley so we dont know if they are still there. I'd assume it's the same
so there's a wl near the hot springs, another in a pocket in a cave near the bear hug spirit, and where's the other one?
Up at the top of the slope. But next time, you can ask about live questions in #questions-and-help , since these channels are pretty quiet right now 
sure sure thanks!
potential camera fix
There’s definitely a need for some hermit crab valley fan art
If the issue seems to be fixed, where do we say that?
also I got a full control lock seconds upon entering the village haha. The spirits seemed to be resetting properly though, there were some sus moths reliving spirits and I was able to light the same spirits after wards
I’m confused by the update notes. Were the spirits not showing in beta bc they were for me even before
I thought the spirits not showing is only a live problem
I went to sanctuary and didn't have camera problem
I don’t know. Never had any issues with invisible spirits in beta, but the camera bug did happen.
Yeah the camera bug has been there for weeks I think
I presumed it was a bug in beta as well, but more difficult for us to encounter because empty servers.. I had no problem reliving spirit memories in live as long as we were the first ones on the server doing it 🙏🏻. I did see some bug reports of people having the same issue in beta
hmm, I think a lot of players get their spirits extremely early - which is is natural as a tester - and don't really try reliving them after that point. if issues crop up along the season's way it can be hard to catch I assume. also, a lot of the "moths" you see in beta don't really participate in the bug reporting/feedback process - while it's easy to assume they do
I should make a habit of reliving some spirits every once in a while to see if anything's bugged or not 
Welp, camera bug is still there. It froze in prairie 
I'll check again just to make sure it wasn't a fluke 
camera definitely not fixed in village either. spirits seem to be reliving alright but I didn’t have any issues with them in beta before. if anyone activates spirits or boat in the same server as me my camera locks as if it’s in cutscene but I can’t see the cutscene
The spirits as well? That's news (at least to me)
If the bug isn't fixed would I put that in bug reports or in feedback?
I kinda haven't been paying super close attention to the TS changes, but a few people asked me to explain and had I a bit of trouble finding the old posts so ... here's a couple questions. You have to own the CURRENT pass to unlock the pass locked TS items right? Do you have access to them if you are gifted a pass? You also dont have the ability to purchase those items even if you have the pendant (and thus got the pass) from the season the TS is from?
IMO it would be better if CMs ask us to all beta players to enter in a map in a certain area and burn all nightmares, relieve all the spirits so we can trigger this issues as it is harder to do it on beta with less players
Hi question, will the new ts this Thursday follow the new ts system where an AP is needed for some items or nah? Don't wanna spark any debate again, I'm just asking ಠ ͜ʖ ಠ
As far as I'm aware, the new ts system hasn't been implemented yet
I thought we were testing this right now? Isnt that why we got the 2 rando TS at the start of December?
We were for a bit, but now we're back to normal schedule
Please Stellify and Krilltjn, ask us beta players to go to a certain location within a map and try to complete all of it (burn nightmares, relieve all kind of spirits, current, past seasonal or normal ones so we can TRIGGER the camera freezing, spirits disappearing, etc
Submit a bug report please 
For a bug like this, please try to include as much information as possible! Videos might be useful too. Hopefully we can help TGC identify and fix it for good
And in-case you happen to not experience the camera bug anymore, you can let TGC know in #beta-feedback! It might be worth to include some information of where you tested it as well as your device information as well ^^
camera fix 
will the new wax graphics transfer to live when the new candle forging system goes live?
Hi am I moniiikaa I had left the Server unintentionally :/
I went with a group of people to try and trigger the camera freezes in forest and prairie where I’ve experienced them on live before and couldn’t reproduce the camera freezes. had a minor camera pan issue whenn burning the big plant in sanctuary but I think that is something that just occurs when you’re burning plants sometimes due to the camera being too close to the plant. I did still experience a camera lock in village when someone activated the boats when I wasn’t close to the boats at all. seems like it’s fixed everywhere but village for me
I froze in prairie and village, but when I went back to recreate the freeze, it stopped happening. I'm not sure if it happened before the backend update came my way or if my game already updated, since I didn't experience a freeze after
i was in the same group, never froze so far (prairie/forest)
we went in 4, then split in pairs, then solo
Changes in matchmaking? What could that mean
Maybe it's easier to merge with friends? Cause our group kept merging when we didn't want to 
we even merged with a different friend of mine who wasn’t even part of our plotting to create bugs 
I did too in valley, but whenever i read matchmaking i never know if it’s the normal server merge thing or they mean the pin function serendipity matchmaking
spoke too soon, confetti cousin came to visit. still what i found weird is that my friends experienced camera locks and i didn't while we were in a group
oh, so it wasn't a fluke. i froze there earlier too. time for a bug report 
Ok, no camera bug at beginning valley for me but there was at valley citadel.
I'm still having issues for Camera Locking
I didn't have any so far and i usually have 1-2 in valley and 1 in prairie.
I got the camera bug right away in the first prairie area. Didn’t get it anywhere else tho. But to be honest I didn’t see a whole lot of other people.
Don't you think the camera lock happens only when there are previous seasonal spirits in that area?
Mmm I just read the post in beta updates, what does matchmaking mean? Like making friends or what?
I think it just refers to how you're placed into a server instance with other players. So if you suddenly notice that you're not seeing anyone, or if you notice weird things happening on server merges like the spirits disappearing or the camera bug, since that seems to have been related to some of those issues
yes yes. I think it's like a server merging issues
Same for me, only got camera lock in daylight butterfly field. I managed to get server merged with ppl everywhere. I tried to run around seasonal spirit spots but nothing happened, they didn’t even pop up...
Welp... spoke too soon. Got it in valley at the hill down to the ice rink...rip camera
While this specific camera bug is being worked on. I hope the camera in general can be fixed as well. It’s been getting worse and worse. In the new stadium area it acts all kinda funky now. Like it’s got a mind of it’s own. Panning this way and that and zooming. Makes the light gathering a bit of a pain. And when your anywhere else and your holding somebody’s hand it seems like I’m looking oob or inside myself half the time.
I think if our camera will freeze with boats, they should at least let us watch the cutscene that is freezing us in place instead of looking at nothing
as the camera freezes while I'm flying. I'm looking at my sky kid go down hill as it disappears from my camera view.
It looks like the kid trying to say "Adios"
the cutscene does show if you’re close enough to it. but you gotta be really close 
The camera freeze when I’m trying to do the second quest of sliding and fetching the girl 😦 annoying. Anyone like thag ?
i noticed slightly camera pan in valley and prairie, but not locked like before. should i report or?
I think that's normal
I had it before the bug occur
Though tbh, i wish the devs remove auto-panning cameras completely
please send that in #beta-feedback or #live-feedback if it's in live. it would be good for the devs to know that the camera pan feature isn't really helpful/liked
So many people in fb group sky already going Karen mode because of the bugs
Ngl though the bugs in live are somehow worse to the point you can't even do the first quest
And then there's that camera bug too... Well bright side, at least the game doesn't crash...
true. it's so toxic I have to say some positivity so it won't spread. and tgc have been focusing to fix it. anyway. let's keep reporting bugs!
And to think these are grown people. 😂 Well many of them are not gamers so I guess they can't tolerate bugs as much as we do. And yes, let's just keep reporting bugs. 😊
Yea I had to leave that group because of all of the anger there
@toxic spruce @analog citrus Did either of you happen to catch a video recording of it? 👀
If anyone else is experiencing camera locking issues that are not in Valley, and you're able to get a video, please send it to me 
Has anyone tested it? I still encounter locked perspective
i only locked in prairie and village, but i didn't record it 
I was locked at prairie village, then I go adios in the clouds. I'll record if it happens again too
no... but Ill go to prairie again and see if i can get one. It happens pretty consistently.
It seems that only the cable car lock perspective has not been repaired?
nevermind, got a recording of prairie being locked
where would you like me to send it, since i already made a bug report of it?
I'm sorry if any of you had a negative experience in the fb group. I can absolutely understand why folks are frustrated with the bugs, and disappointed by it. But not everyone is able to channel frustration in healthy ways. I think the best we can do is try to lead by example, and with kindness 
I had a fantastic experience in beta this evening. Everything went smoothly, I found and was able to complete all spirits in the village, and had no trouble with camera or movement control except when I activated the boats and I can live with that!
Please send it to ThatHelpBot and just say it's for me! Thank you!
Hi Stellify! I’ve got a video too if that’s helpful, can’t upload it bcs I don’t have nitro though
I can't record with android but I've been documenting the places that I've gotten the camera lock. Also noticed that it always pans to the right if that's helpful. Will put that in a bug report
Thanks Ales! Are you on a platform like youtube where you could send us a link to it?
Thank you! That's helpful!
I have a YouTube account, I’ll try hahah. Should I add to a bug report or send it to helpbot?
oh I found my bug report from september during season of prophecy where my camera locked in isle with a video
Ales- HelpBot is probably easier, and we can respond if the Engineering team has more questions
We're specifically looking for issues that occurred after the fix they implemented earlier today. That way we can try to narrow down what's going on- Did the fix work? Is it the same bug? Has it improved at all? Is it a different-but-similar bug? That sort of thing 
Bugs are sneaky 
sent! had to trim my video 4 times for it to fit but the important part is there 
Haha thank you!
You can also upload the video in #beta-screenshots-videos and send the link in ThatHelpBot and eventual bug reports. This server has a 100MB upload limit for all members 
why didn't i think of that
i'll keep that in mind next time
Just make sure to send the media link rather than the message link for easier access. And not delete the original source of course 
how do i get the media link?
right click the video and select copy link
If you’re on mobile, you can click the video and there will be a share option on the top right corner
yeah.. it was easier on my ipad. the right click thing doenst work for some reason on the desktop
One thing I noticed from the vids I posted is that the finger inputs that show up during screen recording seem to disappear when the freeze happens even tho I’m all kinda swiping and pressing. Weird
They do yes.
Thank you for the help everyone! 
Eep! I just tried peeking postman spirit and the one bug got fixed so it now appears right but two more got added, its like a hydra
On the plus side though haven't seen any camera hijacks like before with it being out of the blue.
Will get to reporting 
after I get off from work, I'll help look for bugs.
All done
Good luck Stellify and team! 
can I change beta account by just changing the email address?
I mean like log out and log in to another email
It seems the camera bugs doesn't appear in the forgotten ark and valley anymore.
Ohh that’s good ^^ I haven’t encountered any of the old camera bug but I got a different one.
question: when will be the new candle system be applied on beta? 🙂
uhm it's already in testing
ohh i see thanks!
Fwiw, I left the FB group some time ago last year because of all the insane entitlement and rude behaviour of many members. Unfortunately, mods weren't particularly efficient in controlling it either, although some posts were taken down after being reported.
Facebook gets pretty rough compared to here I find but thankfully the in game community seems rather lovely along with the discord community here so that’s good 
lets all lead with kindness like Stellify said 
It's fascinating how rude people can be on FB, when their real names and locations are usually visible. 😮
Oh, well, camera lock is just as bad stil, unfortunately.
Oh? It seemed to not be happening for me like it is in live. Where did you encounter it?
First thing, while sliding down Prairie butterfly field's path and then again when approaching the main island in Sanctuary.
Guys will the skating girl stay after the season is over? I hope she does...
They r prolly so because screenfreeze is actually a camera adjusting itself...like when we spot the krill in gw first krill area
Oh, that's a shame its still happening, maybe I got lucky not to encounter it or its device specific now?
Oops, I hope you didn't ping someone from 2 hours ago.
It doesn't seem to be a device specific bug, unfortunately. Otherwise it would probably have been an "easy" fix.
You can tell if someone one got pinged in the reply based on if they have an '@' symbol in front of their name in the reply (so they got pinged). Personally though if people don't ping me I worry I'll miss it, hence my name 
I sometimes wake up the next day and find I got pinged for some conversation, but the ping was also from a few hours later. Oh, the joy of time zones!
I tried to immediately record the camera lock in daylight but then it stopped T-T then I recorded the rest of my run but nothing happened
I’ll start recording as soon as I log into beta and send it if anything happens
Imagine, you’re in System Dark Mode, Sky Beta App Icon is this: 
Now, turn on Light Mode and see what will happen
I actually didn't encounter much negative posts and comments in fb groups except for some instances .. and it should happen since there are few mods there
I actually like the discussion there more since they focus on one topic instead of having multiple topics opened in the same time
I'm not sure what's the official fb group of the game though 
But in live, the bug is there.. everywhere.. 😰
well that's why beta is testing a fix for it. they're working hard to make the patch more stable for live players
Yup it can get buggy in live sometimes, especially for bugs that involve many people or server merges/server strain which can go unnoticed in beta. The beta community are trying to help identify the bugs on the beta testing side of things and the TGC team is putting in the huge effort to try and create solutions and reproduce bugs to narrow down the problems. Hopefully they can get fixed soon but the best thing we can do is test and wait patiently. I’m sure they’re doing their best as they always do to make Sky a wonderful and awe inspiring place. 
But I'm happy that atleast they have already some solution to the problem..
Anyone knows when will the new black and white capes be released?
no
Found a fast traveling person in beta today.. They hopped from one wing light to another in instant. ⚠ Reported!
There seems waaay too many doing unscrupulous stuff in beta

It's more obvious to us in beta so our reports help the devs put a stop to it on the live version of the game! just keep reporting them when you see them and try not to bring attention to it here. We don't wanna give them the attention they want
Ooh Dark is pink 👀
I may have gifted her a month of nitro because she's a good friend
That’s so sweet 
hi, curious live player here, what exactly does the AP-locked TS entail? Does this mean that no travelling spirits will be available to those that don't purchase a pass? Or only some TS' are locked?
Just items that used to be AP locked during the relevant season. This new TS system is still under testing tho. So Live TS keeps the way it is for the moment.
Gotcha. Would that require you to have the pass for the season for the TS in question, or the current pass (now dreams)? And of course, I understand that these changes aren't final :)
This post in #beta-announcements explains it well: <#beta-announcements message> 
Current pass during seasons, pre-order pass for between seasons
Yes, it is true.
@clear dove and also this earlier post if you want to learn more #beta-announcements message
Finally the camera is ok

hello fellow Kai 
guys guys. is camera fixed for all of you?
lol i didnt read sorry
as of yesterday I still got camera freeze in dreams village and I saw a few people with camera freezes in prairie. I can experiment again after work though
I got a "pull" towards the lifts like it wanted to lock in that direction but it still let me manuvouer the camera away. I still need to check out a few places, including Sanctuary which has been a constant problem for me.
Did they just push the camera fix server-wise or is there supposed to be an update in TestFlight ?
it was a backend update, so no full update required. your app should already have the patch
i havent had the time to play beta, but does the fix work?
the camera fix was pushed to beta yesterday, it was not a patch update.
and it was just pushed to live a couple hours ago
I didn’t get any camera lock in Prairie or Valley but still got it in Sanctuary Islands. Better if you go test yourself 
as noted in #known-issues it's not a 100% resolution. Additional fixes and improvements will require a patch, the team is working on that now. No ETA on when that will hit Beta, let alone Live though.
Please test these changes for yourself, if you do encounter issues please submit bug reports with the spirit you were trying to relive and the zone you were in, video is best but screenshots are helpful.
I only went thru one place and still got a camera lock where I normally do. But it could vary from person to person so def test it out yourself!
i wonder if the candle system will be added soon to live. i need itt 
just wait a year lol
Meanwhile, I patiently wait for the sky switch release 👀
hi I have a question! I got a new iPad for Christmas and I want to transfer my beta progress over there (I’m currently a tester). Is there any way to do this that will allow me to access and play beta on my new iPad?
install testflight and sign into the gmail account you used for testing
Is the lightwing in the Yeti's Lair area now one?
Testflight and Android invites can't be transferred between each other like that, you'd have to have accepted both a Testflight and Android invite during the beta wave (which is generally discouraged) to be able to transfer your beta account between android and iOS like that in the middle of a wave. The only way that suggestion would work was if Zodi's previous device was also iOS, in which case, signing into the same Apple ID on the new iPad would work -- but if they only accepted an Android beta invite without an iOS one initially, then their new iPad won't be able to download the beta app right now.
Does anyone know an updated way to get into the elder rooms? Since the table glitch doesn't work anymore...
apologies for the late ping, but you'd get a better answer in #questions-and-help since beta tends to be sleepy when we aren't testing much
Thanks!!
Awesome work from tgc , even a improvement is good for me ... 🤍
rocket
Where is ts
The traveling spirit's boat is running a little late, @sacred loom. Maybe their map got turned around? Hopefully they can join us soon 
Ohh yea, the bug

bruh
Eyo everyone, would the new candle collecting system be available on a new patch?
in live? not anytime soon, probably
But the spirit had a mask on 
do BETA have cooldown?
What do you mean?
Does anyone know when the TS is going to appear in beta? As now it’s in live! Thankies🙏🏻in advance!
I think fixing it in live was way more urgent than beta and they probably did that there already. 
the muralist tried out the hot springs at the village and forgot about her TS duty
Ok but I watched the last challenge on YouTube and I cried-
Lol I made some similar comment and it got deleted
I tried messy candle running yesterday, and well, camera glitches are still frequent as usual :0
not as worse when compared to live though
I forgot to get footage/screenshots cause I was half awake 
Heeeeelp i can’t see the traveling spirit 😭😭
They probably didn't fixed the TS in beta yet, since live was priority, maybe it'll appear soon 
No TS in beta?
Oh.
Live ts is buggy for me too. I tried to help a friend to get it but it has the same bug as Dreams spirits
there’s no rush anyway we could all patiently wait 
And beta doesn't really need the TS, unless it's for testing a new system.
go spend the hoard of candles in live
ur progress can get wiped in beta anyway
Is portrait mode available on beta now?
@finite meteor you can't spend beta candles in Live.
@prisma grove Yes, portrait mode has been available for quite a long time.
Both beta for android and ios?
No, I don't think Android has that feature.
i meant the candles they have in live, i know progress cant cross over
Ok thanks
is “hermit valley”(that’s what my friend is calling it, not sure if it’s that name?), a place you unlock with the weekly quests from the quest giver?
he’s talking about the giant dark tunnel at the very top of the ski slope
yes
It unlocks with the third seasonal quest iirc, so you might need to wait a little bit to have access
So will the spirit of traveling still exist?
its bugged rn but you can still get it, only before it leaves
I need to test the ts to see if it remembers me from the first time it visited 
Hello wonderful people.
Will the skater girl stay in the rink after season?
we dont know since dreams hasnt ended yet in beta
Seeing how you can still do quests from past seasons, and that the story is how you unlock hermit valley, it most likely will stay.
I’m on beta couple weeks now im enjoy there be it’s feel so welcome and this channel is feeling like home
Welcome friends 
I was really looking forward to getting 11th wedge in live until I found out hermit valley isn’t open yet 
Hi everyone! Will the travelling spirit arrive in beta?
I don't see it in beta myself but it could be the same issue that was causing live players not to see it too. if it's something they're having to manually fix it's possible beta wont' get it since we are just here to test new content and TS is no longer new content.
Live is certainly their top priority. So don’t get your hopes up for beta ts anyways.
Beta progress can get wiped really???? I have been playing in beta since sanctuary, they didn’t wipe mine,, I still got all the costumes and emotes up to date... 👀
it can get wiped but the access wipes that happen between seasons dont' wipe progress. Access wipes are different from progress wipes. just don't get too attached to your beta items because if the devs have a need to wipe progress for testing purposes they will
Can any one tell me why wasn't able to collect the first memory of the girl in season of dreams
it's happened before once, but we haven't had any progress wiped since then. the closest thing to a progress wipe since then was the candle wipe.
#known-issues @spark lance the quests are much like reliving spirits, which is why they aren't working
So when was able to collect the first memory
you can ask for some possible fixes in #questions-and-help , but if those don't work, then you might have to wait for an update to fix the bug
Ok thanks man
Yeah I’m aware of the access wipe, but progress wipe nope, I have friends in beta they have swing from the season of rhythm, which means they were playing in beta for more than a year,,, 
I've been in beta since the start of belonging, and I can say that we haven't had a progress wipe for a very long time. the players who tested before global launch could probably tell you about that progress wipe. they had to start all over
like Aeras said there's only been one full progress wipe and that was before Rhythm. I've been in beta since Feb/Mar and have Enchantment cosmetics. We have had a currency wipe since I joined. It is a serious rule of thumb in beta not to get too attached to anything because if the devs need to wipe it for testing purposes they will. Same goes for if things are broken like the null ultimate issues. You won't be compensated for missing currencies.
oh yeah the null items
people got so mad when they realized they couldn't get the ultimates in beta because of a bug. this is why you should focus more on completing things in live, no risk of you permanently losing items there
I definitely get being frustrated over something like that. It's a natural reaction. but definitely just a beta thing that you have to be prepared for the most unexpected things to happen
live is the best place to focus your energy on cosmetic collecting and beta is a playground for bug testing.
What swing? There was no swing in Rhythm.
the days of love swing was available for purchase on live during the reason of rhythm so that's probably what they meant
But we’re talking beta here, aren’t we? The swing isn’t an item from Rhythm. There was indeed an event called Days of Love. But I don’t think they coincided in beta.
I didn't join beta until after testing concluded for Rhythm so I unfortunately can't tell you 
Is non stop firework a thing or do I report them?
there should be a cooldown on both the fireworks staff and the spell as far as i know. 5 fireworks then a short cooldown before you can fire 5 more
In the interest of dates and accuracy (lol), I went back to look at some dates. According to old patch notes, Rhythm started testing in beta on the 23rd 10th January 2020. But it can't have been there for very long, considering how few items most of us have, because there is a note in updates here that the Rhythm QG was reactivated on 1st February to allow players to "receive the gift Swing Spells".
yeah, rhythm lasted 12 days in beta, and the questgiver had to come back for a little bit for days of love testing. that didn't last long either
i only remember rhythm's length in beta because of the shock of going from belonging's 30-ish days to just 12 
Wait, I think I got it wrong. The patch notes are indeed for beta, but they were published on the 10th January with information that had dates for Live. Yes, exactly, the season was too short for anyone to get much items. And it definitely didn't coincide with any swing, although I can understand where the confusion came from.
Yeah I joined live Jan 17th and Rhythm started not too long after I joined so the 23rd being live's date makes sense!
i actually managed to get almost everything from the season. i'm just missing the last node from blow kiss (pants and mask) and all of respect. i got owl hair before the cosmetic switch and had enough to get the rhythm ultimate mask. i remember there being a price change halfway though, so that might be why i have a lot of rhythm 
Hm, I wonder...do I have the ultimate mask too? I can't remember right now. It was a very confusing testing period! 
it sure was, the ultimate mask went through like, 3 changes, and cosmetics kept switching spirits
everything went by so fast
It is doubly confusing since I played Winter and had all items back then, but lost them in The Great Progress Reset.
Hey guys, is there a reason there's not a ts in beta? I know they had some problems with it earlier today in live
What I meant, during the season of rhythm when Valentine’s Day was near there was a swing to purchase in live shop,,, but I’m not sure it was also there in beta cause I joined beta just 6 months back,,, today I met a friend she was having a swing in beta.
Unfortunately, a lot of hackers also have the swing. If you want, you can always ask them more exactly when they acquired it. If they say recently, or they don’t seem to know about Days of Love, it’s a dead giveaway.
Oh, and also, scroll up for some dates: Days of Love wasn’t related to Rhythm nor did it occur during Rhythm testing in beta.
I think so, cause she told me she just joined a week ago,,, I couldn’t ask further cause she just logged off,, will try to ask her tomorrow
If they say they just joined, it’s best if you report them. I’m sorry.
Oh,,,,
beta ts is usually linked with live, but it seems that the devs had to manually fix it for it to show. beta doesn't need to test ts right now, so they probably didn't fix it for beta
people could legitimately obtain the swing in beta, but that doesn't mean people haven't obtained it illegitimately as well.
as far as the TS, we know it's missing but it's beta and not a bug that needs fixing as a fix was already applied for Live.
posted in #beta-known-issues so there's a point of reference that we know and don't intend to fix it.
time for beta to wake up ~~hopefully ~~
Cool! Just read the update. Will have time to try it out today xD
I liiive! I haven't had time to beta test recently but I'll make an effort to get on soon to test these new fixes 
okay time to boot up beta for the first time all week
already sent in a bug report for the patch. it's not as bad but the camera glitch is still there in some areas
The swing?
Wjat was the update just now? Its not loading for me
please read #beta-announcements
So just the vanished spirits, or possibly going to relive as many of them as is good?
it involves spirits and you know I love my spirits so I’m in
going to go be useful
Replaying the seasonal/other spirits because a new server was added
I have le swing in beta during the valentine event
“Please take the time to replay spirits, seasonal or otherwise and share your experiences.”
you think I should report anything to do with spirits pretty much
any bugs at all in general
A quick question, so the beta players who had access, its been wiped out or can we still play in beta?
Well the only way to gain access to beta is invite links
Most of the spirits I found missing were in Forest or Dreams, so I'm hitting those locations first, If I have time I'll check out some of the others, I noticed Nod was bugged in Live but she's not in beta so
Okay I just saw the ping in beta updates and my first instinct was NEW SEASON. But I forgot were still in the old one
just a habit

thanks so much Ktjn and the dev team for trying to resolve the issue

Is there a new beta invites going out soon?
Not that i know of atm
Awaken Beta chat!
thanks for the update! I’ll test it out in a little while
we're specifically looking at issues reported in #known-issues that impact Live. Those issues include:
🔹 The camera locking onto spirit quest points of interest
🔹 Seasonal spirits not appearing after the quest has been completed in a specific instance.
If you happen to encounter other bugs, of course please report them but these are the two things we are specifically looking for feedback and data for at this time.
Is this one different from the backend update from a few days ago?
This is a different update than a couple days ago.
is that a beta update im seeing

Time to test a beta again..
That fix was applied to live yesterday, but has proven unsuccessful so we're back to beta with fixes.
So we’re looking out for missing spirits and the camera being exceptionally wonky while reliving them? Is the camera lock bug a different one?
Ooooo ok thank you! I'll have to check prairie then, i was getting locked there with the update last time
I'll definitely check it out when I can. So far I've been having good experiences with the normal spirits. I have yet to check the seasonal ones though.
the camera lock is caused by spirit quests, they are one and the same. so if you're in an area hanging out, and someone else in the instance is trying to relive a spirit, the camera for everyone is being forced to act like they are on the spirit quest too.
hm i dont see an update available for me
the act of reliving a spirit's memories doesn't break the camera itself if you're the one doing the reliving, but it does break the camera for others nearby.
please read the big red text in #beta-announcements
OHhh i did not see that my bad
Oh so that’s the cause! I’ll go test it right now, thank you 
That's why I put it in big red text 
What places are yall going to right now, or thinking of going to? The more people are there the more chance of seeing the bugs, I'm guessing Dreams mostly?
Looks like the beta ts went fishing 
You're certainly not the only one Cheesebun, so don't feel too bad about it 
Colored text doesn't show up on mobile, it's just normal there 
It's not red on mobile, but it is in it's own box. I actually almost skipped that part but went back after realizing 
going to a place where multiple spirits can be activated would be a good spot to test the camera issue, so villages in daylight prairie or the village of dreams in valley (where you can text both issues) would be great starting points.
test*
oh interesting! i was not aware of that. I use markup text to make the color change, but I'm on a desktop PC.
It just locked for me in prairie 
I’ll try forest now for the missing spirits, and maybe go back later just in case.
This game is a blessing but also full of bugs we need to pluck out thats why we are here!
The B Team (beta)
My camera gets locked sometimes in the past seasonal areas like sanctuary, archives etc. So does that mean someone is reliving the past seasonal spirits or is it just the spirits being there inactive causing it?
Archives? I didn't know Grandpa was active
that one might be more than a spirit
Gramps is an seasonal spirit?
I'm not entirely sure what would cause it there, other than there is more than one camera bug to be fixed, so a video of what you experienced would be super useful.
Yes grandpa appears on my run in live up on the archive broken corridor sometimes but the camera turns sometimes without him appearing too
Ps- i will try to get a video if it happens again!
I don't remember if they were a carry spirit or not, I kinda wanna see that now 
I think it was
Hi Krilltjn, it’s good to see you around here again, we certainly want to help you the developers to address these issues
Wouldn’t it be better to ask us beta players to go to a certain location within a map and try to relieve all kind of spirits, current, past seasonal or normal ones so we can TRIGGER the camera freezing, spirits disappearing, etc?
Like “Ok beta players, please visit Burterfly Fields/Sanctuary Islands and relieve the spirits for like an hour or 2 hours”
“Now please go to Ice Rink in Valley and relieve the one at the top”
No it was a follow spirit
I don't believe they can track that so accurately in real time, and not everyone has time, so it's easier to just set it out and tell us to keep an eye out for it?
If you can, keep your screen recording on while playing could be helpful
I think ive been playing to much sky to the point where i can hear my own honking when the game is muted
Spirits are wacky things right now. There are some not there and supposed to be and the other way around.
Topsy turvey 
The spirits are rebelling against the skykids 
Hmm. If you don't burn the corpse at the end of reliving does the reliving restart for others? @vapid briar
Spirits seem to be fixed, 
In beta? I thought there's no problem with the spirits there.
I tried the current seasonal spirits and they all worked, but thats probably because no one else was there? :/ at least i didn't see anyone
Positive feedback
Went to the village, the server merged: the camera did not break ✅
Went down from the slope to the rink, the servers merged: the camera did not break ✅
Post season locations - the camera did not break ✅
I’ll write up a proper bug report when I have a chance to upload the video I got but I’m getting no camera bugs in any of the realms anymore but I do still get camera freeze in dreams village every single time the boats are activated. I forced fresh instances a few times already and made my friend activate boats and camera got locked 100% of the time the boats cutscene played
Current non seasonals do too, at least the ones in forest, which were the ones that were dissapearing for me
Maybe it'd be best if we took a friend or two, have them positioned somewhere else in an area, and then you activate a spirit. If the bug is still there, your friends will see it.
Same thing, when I went to the hotspring it always get locked same as the live version
I did get camera locked in Dreams but I provoked that myself by starting up Mentor and Postman at the same time, and it went away pretty quick
Creem that’s exactly what I did
spirits all worked fine and could be activated by both of us without camera lock on either one and the spirits didn’t disappear. but if one of us activated the boats, the other one was stuck until the cutscene ended no matter how far from the boats we were
Ohh. So you basically get stuck in the cut scene of your friend
At least the spirits are working fine for you! Hopefully the boats will be fixed eventually
I hate to ping a dev on this but I”m wondering if I should pause my live candle run to upload the video I took real quick
idk what kinda time frame they wanted this tested on and the offer for an uber came up quick
I'd say upload the vid, it seems more important, but that choice is ultimately up to you
Anyone else having problems with the seasonal wax not adding after a while
How long did it take for it to not count? I've only gotten the ones in Wasteland so far and they all registered
I finished prairie and went to discord , then afterwards I went online again and did vault .. I ended prairie with 121 and vault with 121
candle wax in general is loading super slow for me today on beta server. but on live it’s loading quickly
maybe it has to do with the new server?
so you miiiiiight have logged out before the server registered you collected it at all. because it took a good 45 seconds for forest candles to register for me 
Y'all might wanna bug report that
I just checked , it’s only vault that’s not adding, I went to forest and I collected wax from seasonal candles and they added
I'm in vault rn, let me see...
Aw I wanted to match the ts mask with the peeking postman so much,well I guess, it will happen only in live
I just got a winged light and I did t see the count rise up
I’ll see if I can reproduce
@vapid drum I was able to register all the seasonal candle wax in Vault. I'm not sure what happened to you then...
beta is voluntary, and not everyone can commit to specific time frames or activities. These issues impact every part of the game so getting data from everyone in a capacity that imitates normal game play on Live is more valuable than sending everyone to the same spot for 2 hours.
Same thing happening for me
It happens to me when I only have 1 wl left till the wedge
@vapid drum I was able to register all the seasonal candle wax in Vault. I'm not sure what happened to you then...
@small swift it seems non of the wax registered for me in vault , after looking back my video
Ktjn would it be ok for me to submit my videos of my camera freezing again in dreams village after I finish live candle run or is it better to give those to you now and pause my run? got an uber offer unexpectedly while I was testing camera lock
That is very strange. I wonder what happened
Last time I got that bug restarting the game helped me, so maybe try that if you haven’t already!
Whatever works best for you, We'll likely let this fix run on beta for a day before deploying to live some time tomorrow if it's looking like a stable change.
Hahahahaha, this is so weird. I just did vault again , and I could collect the wax as intended 😂 will post vid
I just got camera lock in prairie social space
How detailed should the reports be?
bruh
I guess it was just a funky glitch then
imagine getting camera locked in ||eden||
Where you were and what you were doing when it happened is helpful. so in this case something like: "I was sitting in the prairie social space [at a chat bench] when the camera jerked toward [butterfly fields] and locked up." stuff in [] brackets is just an example.
not being able to pick up wax and needing to relog to properly collect is worthy of a bug report 
second question. if my videos are too big for discord can I submit them in feedback channel via a google drive folder link so long as I have all the proper bug report info attached as well? I definitely don’t have skybot’s bug report script memorized at this point
put them in #beta-screenshots-videos and link to your message.
if the video is so big it cannot be uploaded to discord, i'd recommend trimming it down or uploading to like vimeo or youtube.
Oef , the cooldown in screenshots is kind of a pain with 3 vids
i dropped it to 1min. so long as no one abuses it >_>
time to farm seasonal candles in live and spend them on the dance and bearhug
til then i’ll save ‘em until spirits are fixed so i can get the other two and finally get nutcracker pants 
updating beta rn to test the update
nvm testflight is being slow and wont show the update
second nevermind there is no update it was just thrown into beta
Oooo ok so we could have like a friend relive a spirit and have us stand back away from it and see if the camera switches
Sorry but do camera auto pan count as camera lock 
If you didn't have control over the camera while it was panning over, then yes
if you're unable to turn the camera view back to where you wanted it, it's part of the bug.
If you can't move but you can pan the camera, and you're in the dreams village specifically, that's the boat bug
I can say that I went with a friend and activated about 4-5 spirits across different realms and the one who wasn’t near the spirit didn’t get any forced camera pans. including one of the spirits in dreams village. I did encounter a camera lock in prairie butterfly fields immediately after my friend server split from me and I’m trying to upload that to vimeo now to report it
Aw, camera lock is still in prairie. Its panning to where confetti usually sits 
Confetti stop rebelling for five seconds please
they came as a ts before what more do they want-
Hmm so other than butterfly fields (which I’ll go back and see if I can catch it) I didn’t experience any camera lock in prarie, but I noticed like the whole screen flashing black a few times? I’ll go back and check my screen recording so I can find a clip 
I’m seeing the same thing too, I’m on iOS
that's an iOS thing
woo got my video uploaded and bug reported for prairie camera lock DARK GO TO SLEEP
irrelevant. this weird flashy iOS screen recording thingy i've seen in extremely ancient light awaits recordings
Oh ok, so it’s just iOS? I guess I didn’t pay attention before then 
the flash only happens with pop ups, such as the hint texts in-game
oh! then i'd like to adress this (ill send feedback) : i would love if we could turn off camera locks in the settings. i really simply can't bare with it. its annoying as hell and ruins my experience quite much. especially the GW green cape man. love anyway, keep up the good content and good lucking on fixing this!
I've never seen the black flashing, is it a lower end device thing ? 
I'm iOS
I'm just on an iPad
I’m on a 6th gen iPad, so
Never seen it in live so I guess it’s fine
a noice dev gift hihi
yeah my ipad gets that on live. i honestly had no idea it was a widespread thing thing though. yes i have bonfire on beta
aw my emote broke
kai got it from the beta tooth fairy by placing a wood pick under their pillow
Ok noted 
Wouldn't that be a wood fairy thou
Ok maybe I just don't pay attention, or I just don't get that bug
havent been able to play beta in a while, i hope yall are doing good, take care of yourselves and enjoy playing 
bug report 2 submitted 
hello everyone. i saw a picture of locations for the winged lights in hermit valley. i know the one behind the home of the yeti, but the other one i can’t seem to find. can anyone tell me exactly where that is?
It's in a cave on the left side of gondolas leading to Hermit Valley
Will the ultimate gifts ever change back?
most likely no, now that the season is live
Ugh still losing control of the camera. This tome in prairie
Well, we dont know. Enchantment's ultimate got an upgrade mid season in live, so anything is possible
wait it did? dang i mustve not been active here a lot when enchantment was happening, or even noticed
The star at the top used to not glow and didn't bounce. They just tweaked it a bit to make it fancier
Are they gonna start restricting the traveling spirits cosmetics? I saw a screenshot but I’m hoping it isn’t true 
Wym?
I saw a screenshot a while ago in beta screenshot and videos. Essentially. It was a traveling spirit, but some of the cosmetics the spirit had, had the seasonal symbol in the corner (I’m guessing meaning that you can only get it if you had the pass from that season)
Well the beta Ts is broken in beta 
that was something that we were testing, yes. but there is no guarantee that it will go to live in this way, if at all. we'll just have to wait and see what the devs do to improve it, since it's very early into testing
for now, it's just another beta thing that lurks in the depths of beta, like the shepherd system and invisible cape 
Hi fellow betas, I am aware of an invisible cape for 999 hearts, but cannot see how one can obtain it? (Not anywhere near that number of hearts, just curious)
true. and I'm pretty sure they're busy catching up with a lot of things
Thank you for the information. Interesting honestly. Wonder what they have in store for the future.
one of the vault spirits. i think after you unlock the elder. not sure
you have to complete vault and then obtain the vault elder hair in orbit. so really, its way more expensive than 999 hearts 
Oh wow! Thanks for that, really good to know! 
Well I did my dailies and for the first time in a while had no camera kidnappers. I was getting it pretty consistently before so that was a nice surprise that maybe the last fix worked for me
Are we not getting the traveling spirit in beta?
it's currently broken. see #beta-known-issues
What else am i Missing in Seasonal constellation? Still at 87%
did you do all the quests?
You mean the challenges? I am stucked at Challenge 2.
oh that's why. you must complete them to reach 100%
If i get a quarter for every bugs in Beta
How rich would i be 
I also have the bonfire in beta. Lots of people do.
(It is the ultimate gift for Belonging, which was tested in beta.)
Oh, oops , that happened many hours ago. Sorry for ping!
actually I think there are less bugs in beta rn compared to live (of course with the exception of ts) and yes they are diff servers
Yes, I just did a run of Prairie and Dreams village and had no particular issues, except the gondola freeze thing.
Hey, is there someone that unlocked the ts prices?
The Nodding Muralist travelling spirit has not appeared in the beta and there are no plans to resolve that bug. For more information, please visit #beta-known-issues
Please check #seasons-events-chat for prices in Live.
I know the live prices i also did the scheme 🥲 but i mean, how are prices now in beta?
There are no prices in beta because there’s no TS for us this time. Please check #beta-known-issues
Presumably they'd be the same since we aren't testing the new system anymore. But no one can tell you for sure since we dont have the ts right now.
If you’re in beta you will be able to check the prices yourself, although right now there is no TS. If you’re in Live, beta prices aren’t relevant since they tend to be for testing purposes until an official statement tells Live players otherwise.
Im still experiencing camera bugs in beta >.<
I had it once for several seconds in Prairie butterfly field but didn’t have camera lock in Sanctuary Islands as it usually did. Going out to test more realms
Is anyone else experiencing clipping with cosmetics? Everything seems to be going through everything else, umbrellas through capes, capes through hair, arms through capes and hair and so on...
I didn’t notice any clipping issues. If you notice something unusual better bug report it in #beta-bugs-ios or #beta-bugs-android 
Ok thank you
I noticed the lightseekers cape(except flower cape from crabcall) will clip with your s'kid arm 
I still can't get over the fact that some hair clip through skykids
some items clip through the chair, the cape clips through a friend if you try to sit together
My OCD noooooooo
OOOOOOOOH
I don’t think that’s a bug, it’s always been that way
Like how can we get || journey cape || in live?
Journey cape? Isnt that like light awaits old? 
Yeah... that doesn't exist in the game anymore. Not sure if it ever will again since Sony technically owns the rights to journey 
Journey cape was waaaaay back in very early beta, not Light Awaits. Quite possibly only devs ever had it.
Well, the bunny dreams cape looks kinda similar to a journey cape. We can play pretend 
In the sliding race, was there a large cloud at the end with a hole in it? I went OOB today and saw some strange things that I think was left over from the beta. Going into the hole took me to an unfamiliar place
Anyone here from early beta know what this could be? I also saw what looked like primitives arranged like statues of the elders at the end of sanctuary and Eden
I put the images in #questions-and-help
I might begin being in here a lot more, the sense of humour shared amongst a lot in usual gen is making me slightly uncomfortable and alienated out of not sharing it
I don’t get that sort of “LOOOOOL CHAOS ZXBOSIGAHPAOGAOGAOGAO
” sense of humour I see often, I feel
it’s just too wild and I need a more chilled atmosphere
is it bad I’m oddly scared of the Switch port for the sake of mods here being possibly overwhelmed
I can be “XVJSIGAHOAHOSHOSOH”sometimes, but for entirely different reasons
would go in the cosy channel but it’s too slow and you’re even more likely to get interrupted but understandably and it just gets confusing
I'm both excited and scared for switch port. Android global release made the server grow a large amount really fast and it hasn't really slowed down yet. Switch I"m sure will bring more people. I can't wait to play with my friends who's phones aren't powerful enough for sky but I also worry if the server will get too big
I'll focus on the positive though for now and be hype for my rl friends to join me. and the opportunity to adopt even mroe moths 
just scared of it getting far far too overwhelming
also the references the majority of everyone gets
especially popular anime series
just hhhhhh
when I ask people to explain they never do
When you forgot you screen recording on for 20 minutes, but then you realize, you actually got a bug recorded thanks to this mistake ...

Btw should i write 2 different reports about 2 things which happened within one dreams quest and put the whole quest video into the attachement? Or should i separate what happened on the beginning of the quest and at the end the and split the vid to 2? I’m curious because they might be related (or not), so I’m not sure which one is preferred.
yeah in the past they've said to write separate reports if there's 2 bugs even if they happen together
Alright, I shall occupy Skybot’s attention a little more then. Thanks Kai.
It’s ok to hang out here, as long as you remember it is foremost a channel for discussing beta stuff. 🙂
Why do some players have so many gift passes in beta 
Because of a glitch in a previous season.
there was a bug where we could buy infinite passes, along with testing gift passes for a few days.
I have 35 because I kept clicking it until it wasn't funny anymore
it was 36 but turns out some of the moths I find around beta don't know that stuff is free so I pawned a pass off on them
someone here has over 2000 of them 
Ral used to have a picture of 2001 passes. I think he got more though
Just curious, has the light forging candle system (with the chevrons/levels) already been implemented in live?
No, you would have noticed it and it would have been mentioned in a patch note, as well as perhaps a new blog post.
Thank you for the help! I misremembered 
I logged in today and warped to my friends who were in Hermit valley. We collected lights from there and stadium. I forged 3 candles and we went back home. But as i went into prarie portal i got the daily chevron reset message. I ran all realms and forged 16 candles plus 3 before reset message.
sounds like a bug to be reported 
I cant recall how much candles can we forge in live atm?
18-20 during season. +4 off season with daily quests
So if I am not mistaken with this new system, theres less candles around 16. And also the valley races candles count towards chevron completion.
yes BUT that's not the intention. hence why I said to bug report it. The devs are still working on balancing the new system so we need to report it if we're not getting the full amount on a full candle run
I see. Also after 2nd tier of chevron ends, I feel very unmotivated to run.
worth submitting to #beta-feedback any thoughts you have on the system!
OH DAMN YOU'RE RIGHT YOU CAN MOD ON SWITCH
as in server mods but now you say that
I would suspect that the terms of service would be the same on switch, which means no modding the game
We don't permit modding the game, I don't foresee that changing for Switch.
We're aware that players cannot get the same amount of candles on beta as live right now because we're not finished balancing the system. We will be adding more wax to various maps and levels in a future build which will addressing this reduction in candles forged from a full CR.
Modding on switch breaks both TGC's EULA of not modifying the game and more importantly, modding the switch breaks Nintendo's Terms of Service. It is widely known to never let a modded switch go online unless you want it to be banned. I.E. no online features ever on that switch.
^^^ getting banned on switch would mean no online anymore ever for that device, and the only way out is to buy a new one so really not advisable to experiment.
:0

Perhaps it wasn’t suitable for the server?
Btw, why did you ask about the bonfire yesterday?
I put a heart on skybots message, and Kai (treblemeika) had bonfire in their screenshot when iirc they started playing during rhythm
Maybe there’s a valid reason for that. I don’t personally keep track of who’s been in what season.
I gave it to them to help with a bug report.
Ahh
Though perhaps i should have removed it so they can avoid accusations of hacking because they started playing long after Belonging concluded.
Just wanted to make sure, thanks 
It's okay! The concern was valid, which is why it doesn't hurt to ask.
hi yes always good to double check but I do promise I’m a good bean!
Oml that’s an adorable peek emoji
That bonfire saved a few friend's wings who went afk in wasteland
(including mine
)
so good you get stuck in the ground constantly
Was it to test the bonfire flame recharging you when you were in the sludge glitch? I remember seeing smth like that before in screenshots
no, it was related to the table teleport glitch
it was my fault for getting you krilled in the first place
but yeah it was helpful to put my bonfire down on you while we distracted krills.
it was actually to test a loophole I’d found when they patched table teleport. bonfire was still able to teleport but the person I’d found the loophole with wasn’t there when Ktjn asked me to try again
it was fun blasting my friends into the heavens but oh well
you should post that in #beta-feedback ! it doesnt make sense that AC counts towards the chevron values
also krilltjn said this about the unbalanced amount of candles in live vs beta, does this mean we will have to relearn CR?
We're aware that players cannot get the same amount of candles on beta as live right now because we're not finished balancing the system. We will be adding more wax to various maps and levels in a future build which will addressing this reduction in candles forged from a full CR.
adding wax doesn't sound like relocating all sources of wax, just add the new things to your route
Ehm I did, but thanks? I meant the spirit ping pong part, I could’ve clarified that I suppose.. AC is entirely separated from regular candles as far as I know :’)
ktjn addressed that already! #beta-discussion message
"We're aware that players cannot get the same amount of candles on beta as live right now because we're not finished balancing the system. We will be adding more wax to various maps and levels in a future build which will addressing this reduction in candles forged from a full CR."
Ah, #beta-feedback does not have a message history so I can't see if you had already posted it or not. better safe than sorry when it comes to posting feedback though, so I try to remind people to post it there too. I didnt mean any harm by it :)
As for the spirit ping pong part in ||orbit|| I'm not sure if that's intentional or not, but it makes sense that it shouldn't affect your chevron value, hopefully they'll change it to not affect your chevrons
Yea I wasn’t clear in my first message so I deleted it. I simply meant that when people say they’re only getting 15ish candles, they are not including Eden. Spirit ping pong counts towards your chevron meter so therefore should be included in full cr. It was more a PSA than me not understanding what was said earlier.
I may be a bit late w this question but
Why did the WL positions change in the village?
Maybe to make them harder to find or a little less harder to find or something
I can say I wasn’t expecting that winged light to be on top of the boat station like that 
Is there a disclosure already on how much wax consumes the entire area of this season, outside of the Hot Springs and Gondola Cake?
Yeti slope only has 1 cake candle
The village is 0.55 candles
So 1.10 total?
And yes I know things may change. I am just inquiring about future tba wax.
everything you've come to know about CR will be useless info when everything is fully implemented.
Perhaps not entirely useless, but won't be as relevant.
Y'all realize that's a good thing right?
I really feel like the main village needs a bit more candles. Like a few in between some building, some on the slides so the cr path goes from hotspring to villages and from yeti slope we slide down collecting wax like when we collect wax while sliding from valley social space to ice rink
Yes, I cannot wait for it to hit live, tbh. I never get a full run in, but do two or three realms in live, and this system would mean less CR and more random fun with friends
We want you to do things because you want to do them, not because of some obligation. Slow down, hang out with friends, chase krill, play music, emote spam, relax and have fun!
thats a really big change it sounds like. so far the chevron system as implemented now isnt so different as to make it uncomfortable but i fear flipping cr entirely on its head in one fell swoop may not be the play
We don't want people grinding for 6 hours a day, that's not a good use of anyone's time and not a healthy gaming experience.
In terms of the forge system that is useless to me, personally. I aim for end total as I am not in the category of people stuck in exams or obligations. I also enjoy ubering and realming people while I have or have not already finished. Surely it will benefit many. For myself it's still a 1.5hr candle run overall. I appreciate the forge system because it shows consideration to people otherwise. Not a lot of community developers have that consideration.
We want it to be more like, "ooh i have 20 minutes to play, I want to do XYZ!" and have that feel compelling and rewarding.
next overhaul friendship constellation?
im liking candle system so far. I've been going solo in beta a lot more and getting way more candles than I'd ever get alone right now in live.
And if you have 6 hours to candle grind because you find joy in that, you absolutely can still do it and have incremental gains while not breaking the economy of the entire game/playerbase.
Well lucky you, most of us have things to do. Besides as Ktjn mentioned, it's not healthy doing 6 hour candle run each day.
The difference being because you find joy in it, not because you feel forced.
YESSS
!!!THIS!!!
I'm not lucky. I am just stable. It is neither a pro nor con for me. I just have the time of day to spend under 2hr for a full run. As I said I appreciate the system. Plenty of days I don't cr simply because I have no need for the candles as I purchase from TGC consistently. I also enjoy ubering.
Still, it's reassuring to be able to narrow my options on what I want to do in a day on Sky when I am going to be doing other things I want to do. As I said, often other communties' developers would not consider this. Nor would it be as lenient.
Nonetheless I was just curious about Beta's current wax output beyond Village of Dreams
i'd hope the new system doesn't make it too tricky to pinpoint how many candles we can earn over what rate of time, because that's a big part of how i'd decide whether i want to spend more time candle running or doing other things
is best not to ping the devs unnecessarily
in the future you can just say ktjn if she's actively chatting with us
aw i didn't mean for you to delete your post sorry
was just letting you know so you were aware for the future
Since it relevant to the amount of wax discussed in the new areas, we'll be doing a pass of all the realms and adding more candles to collect. the amount added currently is to maintain balance with the current candle forging system in Live.
So
If there are places you'd like us to hide away more candles we'd love to hear your suggestions in #beta-feedback. Think of places that people don't frequent as often, or are hard to get to.
and for asks about oob:
we want these things to be accessible for everyone for the sake of fairness.
Isle 
Oh boy here we go
hide them under the ground
i think vault could use more love. like hiding them on floating islands or in little caves in those islands or something
I swear the beta servers why are they so empty, I've been waiting at 8 player elevator for an hour 
Isle and Vault definitely have the least amount compared to the other realms, so those might be good to start with. Unless the devs wanted to add some obtainable wax in Eden before the point of no return or something like that
Season of Eden 
One wax in Eden’s pit of death 
More serious answer, I’ve always wanted to see more attention to oob spots like rainbow bridge or the stadium 
beta has 16,000 players, and only a hundred or so are pretty active unfortunately. live, in comparison, has millions of players
you know, the empty pit in eden could totally be the entrance to a new area. 
or just dump 10 candle cakes there, that might work
You would have to officially legitimized oob areas to add something like wax to them though; in which case they would be less "oob" and more "secret" like ||office||, in addition to learning how to use these map glitches/faults to get to these areas as opposed to a cape-locked door
mm yea, I just wish they packed the servers more densely, so reduce the number of servers for them all to go, so more in the same server