beta-discussion

[real mica]

The last one I remember was Days of Summer Light, which had that thing of paper boats, even though it’s simple at least it’s something cool and stimulates socialization xD
The boats cost candles tho
But I liked the idea very much

[spark lance]

I guess its about being a social platform too. To give players time to hang out in realms or play instruments, role playing and such. If im right its supposed to be a social game where you hang out. And candle running is optional for when u want to get items. You can chose what is your preferred ered gameplay

[tacit stone]

And also the Birthday. Only few hearts for the hat. Thats the event that felt like a gift to me 💙

And then the later events are either IAPs or crazily priced candle items. And they dont even help with your constellation progress. I hv done all constellations, but i really want to speak this for many who feel struggled. Especially this month. No constellation progress if ure a collector for TS n Christmas who have worked very hard for 400+ candles.

[spark lance]

If you do some research why Sky pricing is high you might understand pricing better.

[real mica]

Yeah at least the constellations will be there forever

[tacit stone]

Luckily

[tight bloom]

Don't want to say this but the crazily priced item feels like a "buy our candle packs" item

[tacit stone]

oh man. you still did not get the point. Its not about pricing itself at all. Its asking for a balance of IAP and event enjoyment.

[tropic radish]

Balance between Special items and Social elements ?

[spark lance]

You don’t get my point. Do the research or not. Its up to you. Have a good day

[tacit stone]

The general idea is the tediousness of Sky being a one-year player. There is too much to elaborate and none can i explain to people who dont understand that struggle.

[stark sundial]

if your point is to send someone to search info that's not a point really

[tight bloom]

I'm fine with IAP and expensive in game curency promoting candle packs, TGC needs to make money. But rn, it seems to be the main focus.

[tacit stone]

We nvr ask to remove IAPs. You still din get our point.
Exactly, Khione.

[jade iris]

I see your point Eden, and I agree with both parts of the conversation here. IAP and the current value of currency in sky (irl and in game) is obviously being changed constantly, and while I also dislike the constant IAPs, I do think it’s necessary. You are not forced to buy them, and they usually come back! Idk, I know this has been an argument going for a looooong time.

[tender oasis]

I think halloween was pretty good regarding the enjoyment part. We had a nice amount of wax there, krills were fun to play with especially if you went with friends. However i like from the current event that there are not only IAPs which players can get. So i would go with the mix of the two.

[neon harness]

Waittttt i was just in game and I saw a player do a spin dance that is in season of dreams (ik that because I saw beta videos) and I saw them do the spinning mentor emote ,I am not in beta and or a beta tester

[storm vessel]

If you want to socialize then socialize... They are not stopping you... Before, Once you catch up with with TS there was not much for you to buy with candles or hearts, so all these new changes are for old players as well... Some people do find it boring when they can't purchase anything

[random gull]

!reportplayer there's no way to get the emotes legitimately in the live version of the game until January 4th so if you see this happening use the steps in this link to report them

[gilded parrot]

Here's some info on how to report players in the game: https://bit.ly/ReportFAQ

[neon harness]

Yea I knew you can report people but before I could light them up they disappeared (I guess they left the game)

[fossil granite]

Hi

[hollow compass]

I'm sorry about that, but beta testing is often sped up and always happens before the event goes live, so it's important to keep updated on the separate schedule for the app. I know it can be hard to juggle both apps sometimes, but getting cosmetics in beta isn't really the aim.
Also sorry for the very late reply, but I was at work.

[random gull]

Hello there. Looks like you might be new to the discord. this is the beta channel where we test upcoming content and this channel will be full of spoilers. Head on down to #general-sky-discussion to talk about the live version of the game or #questions-and-help if you need any help

[fossil granite]

Kk thanks

[elfin raft]

I learned the music sheet 19,but can I record it in sky music app? Since my game is laggy and I am always off pace

[random gull]

if your phone has a built in screen recorder or if you download a screen recorder app then yes you can record it in an external app. Sky Music app isn't by TGC though so they won't be able to help you with troubleshooting there

[elfin raft]

Troubleshooting?
Well glad to hear that anyway. I am more comfortable to play that way

[random gull]

troubleshooting is if you have any issues with the app and contact customer support for them to help you resolve those issues

[fathom river]

My dudes, Is it okay to ask what happened to the active spirits that weren't supposed to appear yet? I mean to those who got them, did they keep it?

[lusty light]

This is not information we know

[fathom river]

I was just concerned, a friend keeps asking me if sky is gonna be okay, or is the game broken haha. He's so cute. I just said that tgc's gonna do something

[fleet cave]

Get ready for wisdom

The Yeti's Canyon is better than the village

Change mah mind

[elfin raft]

I uploaded my take on music sheet 19!

[fleet cave]

Oooh send me ur Channel :3
(On PV if u wanna)

[elfin raft]

Oh I uploaded it in #beta-screenshots-videos

[cedar copper]

how many candles that we can get at the village?

[tender oasis]

2 cakes and some extra wax is there But in the current beta system it really depends on when do you collect there.

[cedar copper]

Oh yah, I forget about the new system. Thanks!

[elfin raft]

I almost did all perfect in the game too ! :0(when playing the sheet)

[verbal jacinth]

is the design for the dream qg permanent?

[hasty vessel]

can you please elaborate? what spirits are you referring to?

[fathom river]

Oh mostly light quests spirits, juggle, crab, confetti

[stray elk]

There’s a bug for the spirit to appear and I tested if I can collect it in live and it showed the button for the emote...

[fathom river]

Is it still active? I think the latest patch won't let you claim it

[stray elk]

I don’t know... but all light leading spirits keep attacking me and my friend and my moth friend everywhere, and I’m saving for feast table so I can’t buy piggyback

I’m gonna go sneep snorp I slept at 3am it’s 11am I have a candle run with friends at 12pm good morning

[worldly saddle]

Does anyone know where the cyan light for the forgotten ark quests is? I’ve been putting it off for a while but i really wanna get those quests done lol

[random coral]

The cyan light is at the very end of isle where you enter prairie in that cloud area

[worldly saddle]

Oh thank you!!

[steady pond]

btw its much faster to just go to prairie and then turn around and enter that way xD

[random coral]

Yes

[fathom river]

What the heck? I saw a Facebook post that he took them to village of dreams in exchange of hearts. This is too much,

[stray elk]

Who? I wish TGC could put some code into village of dreams so you can’t warp to someone there and if you get inside you get IP banned and basically banned

[fathom river]

It's from an international Facebook sky group. He would take them in exchange of hearts.

[stray elk]

Who is he oh wait oh yeah that’s just annoying

[valid terrace]

ok but I'm mildly paranoid about the TS experiment and Live getting desired TSs recently
I can't tell if it's coincidence that it's the popular ones

[stray elk]

Half of my friends said they would spend money...

[valid terrace]

someone I know pointed it out and I'm now extremely paranoid

It's not a good idea to make it Live in its current state

[random coral]

They said it wasn’t going to live any time soon so what do you mean?

[valid terrace]

It's the fact it's 3 very popular ones in a row - and I don't know if it is coincidence or not
prob is but paranoia and anxiety says no

[random coral]

It’s most likely coincidence, it’s all random remember

[elfin raft]

Today there were around 7 players in prairie,which was unusual. I met someone and after that I decided to play the 19th music sheet and they started immediately clapping,because I did it almost perfectly

[valid terrace]

ok but Sheet 19 is in Dorian mode
funky modal stuff, I want more of that in sheets

[gentle creek]

Ts surely is coincidence, seen people try to say that the ts in live was gonna be welcome because the skykid in the game logo is wearing welcome pants, but i think that was just a concept thing;;

[valid terrace]

if there was a feature to choose part then I'd be completely satisfied
I wish to be lead hornist but sheets say "no, go in a group, and never have a shining moment"

I am a pianist irl and personally not used to being in ensembles at all so uh
that's probably why I'm like this
not saying the spotlight has to be constantly on me, I'd just rather it's not the opposite

also apparently flute is same part as horn
my dream instrument is demoted too as a soloist

[sand dawn]

Being able to play any part (other than percussion, because it’s a different number of buttons)
Would be nice to have as an option

[wary stream]

Is not being able to do the handstand on the ice count as a bug? I tried to do it numerous times and it wouldn’t actually flip me upside down. But when. Did it on the grass I flipped just fine. Is that supposed to happen or should I report it?

[slim kayak]

when you are moving, your skykid usually doesn't flip. feel free to send feedback on it though if you would like to see that in the game

[wary stream]

Alrighty, good to know, thank you for clarifying!

[chilly oxide]

Anyone else only getting 15 hearts per candle run instead of 18???

[slim kayak]

hearts? you mean candles? yeah, that's been a common issue. some are getting more by not collecting them until the end

[sand dawn]

Anyone been to forest elder this build...?
I can’t get it to work...

(Ok I got it but it seems harder..?)

[gleaming yacht]

hmm... is TGC aware of the purple texture in the village of dreams on android?

[rain delta]

Was there another update today? What’s the TS experiment everyone’s talking about.. I’m so lost

[lapis ore]

The ts experiment is how we’re testing what it would be like if ts required ap to get all the items, but idk if there’s a new build

[gleaming yacht]

that has been in the app for quite long, I'm not sure if there's a new build, but it would've been announced by now

[rain delta]

Ohh is that it okay 👌 thought there was a new build that I didn’t get yet

[steep ferry]

the big wax balls look like the big fish roe that we use for sushi

[gleaming yacht]

this could be quite an irritating bug, considering the colour clashing - I've submitted a bug report, but I'd like to ask if anyone else has experienced it?

[kindred fossil]

a lot has, not sure if it's device specific because i have no memory of experiencing it

[rain delta]

I remember on iOS that theme music used to be there when you opened the app + it’s also there when you fly to the shrine in isle

[tacit stone]

Is there a reason to make off-season quests no more giving free hearts?

[rain delta]

Candles have become a more priced commodity in sky than hearts haha

[tough oracle]

idk but it's been introduced with the last update in live as well

[random gull]

I think it is either android specific or even device specific on androids. it's very purple on my galaxy note 10

[tacit stone]

this is happening so secretly

[gleaming yacht]

yeah, thanks for the replies.
also, do you think a new music theme will be added, or will we stay with the citadel music in the village?

[tough oracle]

yea it felt a little sneaky, especially without any reason given. I already dropped my feedback, but it's already implemented in live now...

[random gull]

my best guess for reasoning is currency balancing. i.e. new players being able to obtain so many free hearts at once (with a big time comittment) being "unfair" somehow. but yeah I left feedback that despite me having these hearts already I do not like them being a candle cost. the heart was a reward for completing the task the spirit asked of you

[gleaming yacht]

yeah, to me it seems almost absurd... new players shouldn't be disregarded because they weren't there to begin with, and it could seem very unfair for them if they found out that it used to be free. It was essentially a reward for completing the seasonal task, which doesn't expire; that is (or was) the uniqueness of the new seasonal format.

[tacit stone]

Arent they trying to make ppl having more value over time in future? This pay-candles-for-QG-heart not only is implemented secretly ,but hungry for candles just like DoF, TS and anything else. Is there anything nice to players in Sky these days without asking for your candles?

[tough oracle]

yea, but as Kai said, atm new players can get 20 free hearts. It's probably a bit much in terms of game economy. If I remember correctly my feedback was along the lines of having like prophecy and sanctuary for free bcs it's the newest players that would stumble upon these quests

[random gull]

the quests do already require a pretty big time commitment even from the easier ones. I think the hearts being free doesn't upset the economy but that's my opinion. I hope they do take it into consideration

[sullen relic]

re "off-season quests costing hearts": there's a mention of it being an intentional change in the following linked message, but i haven't seen any other official comments regarding it #beta-discussion message

[gleaming yacht]

the fact that the days of feast cape was 62 candles, means that it was 21~ hearts. That is almost as much as the teal cape, a fair price to pay for such a cape.

[tacit stone]

DoF Items are 223 candles and 15 hearts in total, being called as an event but most moths could not afford them in 2 weeks. Whats the point of snatching the free hearts from them if you have an event with highly priced items?

[tough oracle]

I think beyond leaving feedback (in live) on this change, its probably best to spread the knowledge a little to other players. Most 'older' players don't know of this change. So if they get more feedback on it they might take these ideas into consideration

[tacit stone]

The point is, its an event, not seasons or TS which are goal-oriented. In general, events nowadays do not feel like a break / fun anymore, but very candle-oriented. When was the last time you felt your enjoyment is being prioritised when an event comes? This is where older players start to feel tired. Same thing, but hungrier.

[random gull]

I only found out about this change because of a moth friend in beta named Mochi I have two moths named Mochi it's great

[tacit stone]

Im upset that as a beta tester n live players, we r not well informed about this. And it's not a friendly change itself.

[lyric kite]

I'm not that upset by the change itself, but I do agree that it should have been mentioned in the patch notes somewhere if it was intentional, and not just a staff post buried in a discord channel, since a lot of people have been asking about it now

[tough oracle]

I think the events feeling 'hungry' is because we've had so many one after the other. I'm sure once days of feast is over things will slow down a little again (atleast I hope so haha). And, yea I found out through a moth on Facebook as well. They were pretty upset after completing the ark quests that they didn't have enough candles to buy the hearts as they didn't fully understand yet how to cr 😦

[tacit stone]

Thats really fishy. And do you know moths now can only trade hearts after they finish Forest?

[lusty light]

Yeah, because many people have taken advantage of moths or have done exploits to give themselves hearts

It’s not much different than the change that you need to unlock high five to sent a heart to someone

[random gull]

good point Ales. If things were more spread out then it wouldn't be so stressful to have enough currency to cover it all. don't get me wrong I LOVE that we get new content a lot but it does get overwhelming with events so close together

[lusty light]

Also it takes like a half hour maybe to reach forest, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal

[lyric kite]

I think the part about needing to complete Forest to send hearts was mentioned in the patch notes somewhere, it was just the change about the seasonal quest hearts costing candles outside of the season that wasn't

[tough oracle]

Yea I don't mind the trading only being possible after finishing forest. It's to stop all the alt accounts, and like Seraph said it's not too difficult to reach. Also reaching back to my own moth days. I only had a few random friends that I made in prairie at that time haha. As a 'real' moth you're still figuring out how to pay for hearts anyways & heart trades don't really come into play that early

[sullen relic]

the forest change was mentioned in the Dec 15 patch note, yes (haven't seen anything about the change to off-season quests costing hearts in patch notes within the last 2 months): https://thatgamecompany.helpshift.com/a/sky-children-of-the-light/?s=patch-notes&f=patch-notes---december-15-2020---0-12-0-159154&p=all

[tacit stone]

To me, its a mutual trust between beta testers, players and Sky. A small deal doesnt mean you can skip informing players in the patch notes if they've been giving their best to give feedbacks to the game.

[gleaming yacht]

If you compare it to another game, it actually is quite similar - events in games don't usually provide any 'free time', and they usually limit the free items to either negligibly useful ones, or very few. This event offers 3 free items, which is quite generous to players unwilling to purchase IAPs, something unprecedented in sky - each day, we can earn 20 candles, there's a double candle cake event, off-season quests which make everything easier and smoother whilst collecting candles (a new candle forging system on the way). I'm not sure if this change in the off-season quests system was beneficial, but it's not very considerate of you (imo) to call TGC 'fishy' and 'candle-hungry'. Candles are an essential part of the game - they can't be removed.

[lusty light]

I get being mad that the devs didn’t tell us but like, we are not entitled to know every single decision they make and why
Beta testing is not for the tester, it’s for the developer

[stoic crow]

unrelated to the conversation but tfw you accidentally use hands on head emote instead of bow to someone

[sullen relic]

that's why you spam the correct emote when you find it, and maybe do a deep bow for good measure to try indicating "whoops, hand slipped"

[limber turtle]

Or you yawn instead of laugh - big difference !

[tacit stone]

To me, events these days are hungrier. Remember the old days we have birthday hat for a few hearts? Now even a Holly costs 15 hearts. Im just upset even Dof as an festive event costs so much these days. Most of my times in Sky has been grinding for candles this year due to candle becoming the main focus these days. Think about it.

[stoic crow]

yeah, i bowed a bunch, i hope i expressed that i used the wrong emote

[tacit stone]

btw , buddies, im not here to offend anyone, just voicing my exhaustion of how things is going in Sky these days after being here for a year. Or maybe this game just doesn't suit me

[gleaming yacht]

wasn't it the same schedule before? traveling spirits also visited us in the days of the anniversary, iirc. This event is unique, it offers a lot of new cosmetics in contradiction to the anniversary event - compare 1 hat to a table, two capes, a pendant, and a head accessory.

[sullen relic]

on the general topic of recent candle costs, i've been able to keep up with most of the items being offered to us by continuously doing full candle runs (which not everyone has time for, i'm aware), but it's coming with a very noticeable cost: i'm budgeting my candles so tightly that i'm not really sending hearts to people like i used to, which i think is probably not a desirable outcome overall if they were trying to encourage players being generous with one another -- i just don't have the room to give to people right now when my net savings is being cut very thin with the cost of everything that's coming

[random gull]

I did yawn instead of blowkiss once and it ended up working out because I said I was tired and going to sleep wrong point to get across but at least I didn't accidentally insult my friend

[tacit stone]

Its not expensive for most. But try to see it from.a moth perspective. The costs basically doesnt allow them to get involved. Its hard to expect moths to get even just 65 candles for the cape in 2 weeks. Basically the only thing they can do is enjoy the ice rink. But who skates there for two hours everyday for 2 weeks?

[sullen relic]

speaking of which, does someone need to sleep?

[lusty light]

A new player wouldn’t even know where to find the office, not everything is meant to tailor to a new player

[random gull]

I am not here you do not see me it's only 4 pm tho

[tacit stone]

Yes, we r getting less and less social-oriented for how things are going despite TGC mentioning the gameplay should prioritise this. Thats why im giving feedback here coz it is going the opposite way now.

[pine remnant]

I concur with Spear - I haven’t upgraded any of my friends in a long time, and I’ve stopped heart trading with them entirely, just so I can feel secure in my candle count. I never even consider getting things like play fight, bear hug, or headpat (when they were optional) because they just seem like a waste of a day’s candle run.
Hopefully lower TS and Event prices can mitigate this effect, if even by a small margin

[gleaming yacht]

but this isn't a tapping game where you can earn coins by e.g. farming strawberries. A new player's priority isn't to make the most out of an event, but to experience the game, unravel the story and build friendship - and to provide an example, my relatively new friend who started in the end of prophecy managed to get the cape in 3 days, without candle running wasteland because they were afraid.

[toxic spruce]

but the thing is does moth understand and know about all the events and TS? They are probably still pretty confused about the whole game and trying to learn how the game works. They might look back at it (if they stick around to learn about all these stuff) and kinda regret not being able to get these items but I’m sure they would’ve gotten future event items.

[tacit stone]

Its not about tailoring to just the moths, but letting everyone get involved in a game that promotes kindness and diversity.

[tender oasis]

I think it’s really just a bunch of event, popular and expensive ts coming lately, some of them with quite extreme price change. Don’t go was my first ts which i never unlocked other than the first emote. It was shocking to see how expensive it become. I’m a notorious candle hoarder, so i always have some emergency base, but even i feel it’s hard to keep up with them if you don’t have time to do full cr, or buy candles. (But imagine weekly ts in off seasons like it used to be )

[dim tapir]

there’s no point in pretending we were able to be a part of everything during our moth days. most of the time you don’t even have a clue about what’s going on. events like this are for players who have a bit more idea about the game and have been playing for a while since the place that gets decorated is literally added for oldest players.
then again if you have ideas feel free to give feedback or type them out in wishlist.

[gleaming yacht]

the solution to the nearly broken traveling spirit system in live right now (which would ensure fairness to older players) would be to implement the paid traveling spirit system, but also provide an option for the f2p members to purchase these items with their normal candle price. This would not only facilitate the whole process for paid players, but also not affect free players.

[tacit stone]

You call it being selfish or trying to survive, but as a one-year player who loves the game enough to stay and don wanna miss anything, ive been reluctant to give hearts or ungrade friendships with friends this month due to the massive amount of candles needed to get TS and Feast items. This is not a social-oriented situation you put the players in.

[random coral]

Remember you never have to buy something from traveling spirits, they will all return at some point. If you aren’t able to get enough candles or sacrificing your health for them then just wait for the next time it visits

[timid pelican]

things are getting heated in beta-discussion

[kindred fossil]

FOMO says no

[gleaming yacht]

I agree with Ales on this one though, this is quite a special time of the year - it will all perhaps be balanced in a few weeks. However, I don't recall being able to send hearts either during the pre-feast days, one week was only heart-trading oriented, and the other was focused around saving. Pretty restricted there as well

[toxic spruce]

I managed to do friendship stuff and survive through all the events and TS by budgeting what to get. You can do this too. You don’t necessarily need to get everything, you can use candles for friendship unlocks instead.

[random gull]

I have pretty much most of the TS stuff at this point myself (in live) so I'm lucky that I've only needed to farm/buy candles for the holiday events. I'm reluctant to buy all 3 IAPs too because 2 of them don't come with candles

[tacit stone]

Why IAPs dont come with candles anymore?

[gleaming yacht]

they do-

[sand dawn]

I can only afford to do friendship upgrades and send hearts because I already completed the traveling spirit during its season

[kindred fossil]

holiday IAP never came with candles on their first run, no?

[dim tapir]

candles = higher prices = more people complain

[random gull]

the halloween ones both came with candles this year. Idk about 2019 though I wasn't there (and the IAPs are already almost $15 so I don't think adding candles should increase price really)

[lapis ore]

Oh yeah do antlers come with candles in live? It gave me candles in beta but looking at the shop in live it looks like they don’t

[tough oracle]

they don't 😦

[tacit stone]

No and im surprised. Not a single candle.

[gleaming yacht]

the hat came with 25 candles I think though

[kindred fossil]

IAP's never came bundled with candles on their first run, they might as a repeat next year

[lapis ore]

Whatt I thought the candles helped justify the price

[gleaming yacht]

there's no need to try and find gaps and flaws everywhere just to blame them though

[toxic spruce]

This make sense then

[kindred fossil]

yeah, i don't understand where this came from?

[gleaming yacht]

it almost seems as if we're hunting for ways to criticise TGC now

[tacit stone]

No one is trying to find gaps and flaws but discussing on how things are going. Its not nice to call others exhaustion as trying to find flaws while they r trying to give feedbacks.

[kindred fossil]

well i don't think that was their intent, but...

[sullen relic]

pardon the ping, but i thought this would be an interesting response from the perspective of beta players in the current wave: given that we've been testing a new TS system that involves some items being AP-locked, there's a good chance a lot of us in this channel may see things differently in live given that there's a risk that any TS we miss now may return with items no longer being freely accessible next time

[lapis ore]

Oh I didn’t read the earlier conversation, just was wondering about the antlers since I like them. Sorry!

[gleaming yacht]

but... we switched to the other topic so quick, and we actually found out that some cosmetics give candles, not everything is candle hungry

[tacit stone]

You made me so sad by labeling us as finding flaws and gaps while we wrote this calmly and detailedly with our own daily experience.

[kindred fossil]

i was merely correcting you, it's always been that way

[random coral]

It doesn’t have to be though, they can still implement a way where paying players get the ap stuff for free while f2p players can still buy them for normal candles

[gleaming yacht]

I'm very sorry if I made you feel this way, I was just very confused at why we switched the topic so quick, it seemed like that to me. I understand now, thank you

[sullen relic]

correct, it's not set in stone -- but knowing that the risk is there is definitely impacting on how i'm personally weighing my options in terms of leaving TS items for a later date

[random coral]

That’s why I said it’s your decision, I never said you have to wait

[tacit stone]

Im not sure whether there is anyone who understands where my opinions come from, but the game is not as friendly and as generous it was today. No need to bash me or anything. I know the good intention of me voicing this. Instead of bashing my words, understand where this exhaustion comes from, or at least respect it by not denying or labeling it as intentionally finding flaws.

[kindred fossil]

so now you understand why the new feast items are not bundled with candles?

[spark lance]

(wait why arent they? that would have been nice..)

[random coral]

Dark said up there

[tacit stone]

I will stop mentioning this for now. And im not a moth who just enters the game like yesterday. I hv been playing for a year. I know exactly why im trying to say this. Its just sad that everytime there is criticism , people are so paranoid and deny it without knowing where it comes from :(

[gleaming yacht]

Look, I was not labeling you for your previous opinion - it just seemed to me pretty serious to call them candle hungry, and we found an explanation about why the current feast items are not bundled with candles now. I just deemed it a little too straightforward to call them that, so sorry if it made you uncomfortable while it wasn't my intention.

[spark lance]

this? didnt days of summer have candle bundle things? in any case idk, it would've helped ease the higher price. not a huge dealbreaker though

[kindred fossil]

oh i forgot about the lantern, but still

[tender oasis]

I’m just grateful i already knew from beta what to expect in live so had time to prepare a little if I want to have enough for the items, and ts etc. without this uhhhh I won’t think about that

[tacit stone]

Exactly.

[gleaming yacht]

You mentioned that IAPs do not come with candles, while changing the topic very quickly. Dark explained why, and as I stated above, I do not wish to outright deny your opinion, but it did seem to me a little too direct to call TGC candle hungry this way - please don't call me paranoid for that...

[tacit stone]

Yea. Its just more demanding and less rewarding nowsaday. And people are still trying to justify some IAPs come without candles.

[minor falcon]

I've been feeling the candle crunch this month as well, days of feast is the first event of it's kind to include such a selection of in game currency items which combined with the most expensive ts to date is just fomo is definitely a factor in not wanting to drop anything

[lapis ore]

True, can’t imagine how unprepared I would be for Days of Feast if I didn’t know it was going to cost a lot I was planning to work on constellations but saved up instead. Although that is only because I want the table, doubt that I’d even bother if I didn’t know it was coming

[spark lance]

I thought Halloween had candle bundles too? and days of summer? someone correct me if im wrong.

[tacit stone]

Because thats not the main point im trying to say here..Im.trying to voice out the main idea. Stop attacking me on this one little sentence and ignore my 90%' other messages i hv been writing here. OMG u really broke my little hope of voicing my own experience there

[kindred fossil]

the repeats did, but not the mischief set

[gleaming yacht]

what when did I attack you- please

[minor falcon]

the repeat days of mischief items came with candles iirc, the lantern had some candles as well

[hollow compass]

I think being unprepared for upcoming events is starting to be addressed by TGC now, especially with the blog post stating the exact costs for the DoF items. So a lot of these things have more to do with transparency and communication, which admittedly hasn't been TGC's strong side.

[lapis ore]

Mmm true, they posted about the prices and stuff pretty far in advance so that’s fair

[kindred fossil]

anyhow i misinterpreted your point or something, probably. i thought you were confused as to why they didn't come bundled with candles, so i explained. all good? moving on

[hollow compass]

It's the thing we always repeat: TGC is a small company. They just haven't had someone specifically employed to take care of communication for all that long.

[lusty light]

The Santa hat came with candles

[tacit stone]

Thats a good thing to know, and i wish things are going a better direction in 2021 despite the way things have been changing recently.

[desert token]

yup, santa hat had same number of candles last year - same price as well

[tender oasis]

Yes they actually said start to save up for Feast, but it was a tiny bit late or would have been if I didn’t know already. but i appreciate the effort nonetheless.

[gleaming yacht]

Look, in order to resolve this now, I did not wish to attack you (which I believe I didn't), all this time I was trying to explain to you why I responded in that manner.

[spark lance]

Yeah we're all good

[kindred fossil]

oh it did a year ago, i misremembered. disregard my tin foil hat theory then

[hollow compass]

And to be honest, the boring answer to FOMO is that it's all on you and not on the game company (whichever one it is).

[lapis ore]

Sorry, but what’s FOMO?

[spark lance]

I dunno about that. There's a little of both at play there imo.

[kindred fossil]

fear of missing out

[tacit stone]

Its just not nice to not understanding my intentions and also go towards nitpicking on my words. Do you know how much love i have towards this game, and how many courage i need to voice out my criticism where i can always be bashed by people who don like my opinions just because its different? Every time i have to voice my criticism , and im sure they r constructive, i feel so tiny. Im just loving the game as much as you should. Im not giving criticism.because i hate this game. Im not doing this because im too free. I just feel the way TGC is changing making the experience less warm and more demanding, which was the reason why we escape to Sky from the reality in the first placr.

[spark lance]

hey Eden I've much love and respect for your passion, but you're beating a dead horse (sorry for being curt )

[desert token]

I definitely relate to the fear of not having access to an item from a TS in the future, if I don’t own the adventure pass when it next returns (and the new system is implemented). even getting just the previously pass locked items doesn’t seem safe since items that weren’t previously pass-only have become locked on the TS in beta

[tacit stone]

Nah this is the last thing i wann say today, for everyone who is brave to voice out their real thought coz thats what makes the game better. No offence towards individual. Peace💙 Good night.

[radiant drum]

This channel has ventured far from a constructive and respectful discussion, as well as discussion about things currently being tested in beta. Please continue in #general-sky-discussion or #cozy-sky-discussion respecting each other’s opinion on this or drop it. It’s important to remember that we all have different lives and opinions on things, and do not have to reach an agreement or prove ourselves to anyone. If you want to submit feedback, you can do so in #live-feedback and #beta-feedback

[lone plover]

I understand where Eden is coming from, people who have a different opinion to everyone else are normally made to feel bad over it and are normally afraid to speak up...I know I am

[tacit stone]

[gleaming yacht]

oh sorry, didn't see the message while typing, thank you

[spark lance]

yup, I take that back, and agree. going to step away for a bit, guess im feeling down. Sorry to any hurt feelings

[dim tapir]

honestly they should just throw in a bunch of candles and make it 30$ just like founders so nobody can afford, but hey they people who bought it got their money’s worth right?
also there’s no need to get offended over a misunderstanding. can y’all like open a window and idk? breathe? considering this chat is supposed to be us talking about how the testing is going(which you know you still gotta do)

[radiant drum]

By sharing your thoughts, you are opening space for discussion and criticism to take place- that’s just how a public chat about a heated topic like this one goes- chatting via text makes it harder to read someone’s tone, so don’t hold it against them when small arguments like this one happen. While we mods need to put a stop to them sometimes, we all just want to make sky a better place

[tacit stone]

[silent lily]

Ok sorry

[radiant drum]

Drop this now please

[kindred fossil]

go to sleep, unit

[radiant drum]

How is beta testing going?

[tender oasis]

Frozen controls time to time

[silent lily]

Yeah lol that slipped into live too👀

[radiant drum]

Please don’t spam emotes here

[kindred fossil]

not much honestly, i still have a backlog of feedback. what about you? :)

[lapis ore]

I really like the updated ult mask, I think it looks cute now

[radiant drum]

It does!

I haven’t played beta much recently, but should get around finally doing a full run for the new daily light system

[minor falcon]

gathering those seasonals still exciting conversion day if we get one

[kindred fossil]

i should too, i've been lazying

[slim kayak]

we have like, 40 something days left in beta (if the counter is to be trusted, we know how that went last time), i'm gonna have so many candles

[sullen relic]

testing for this particular wave has been surprisingly different from the previous one, just because it's holiday season right now -- i didn't anticipate that my energy levels would be this low compared to the previous wave

[silent lily]

Hmm, what if they reset us all to 50 candles

[strong pine]

I look forward to when the new upgraded capes get released ngl

[minor falcon]

then we'll get 50 candles! more stories to tell from beta

[kindred fossil]

i'll probably end up with 10 on conversion day because my motivation to farm seasonals does a 180 once i finish a season

[minor falcon]

mine would as well but 21 per day in realms with little effort while testing the daily light system as well? sign me up

[sullen relic]

odd thought, actually: the daily seasonal candles available for collecting might actually be hindering tests on the new daily candle system a bit, in the sense that there're more candles to earn from the seasonal clusters than the regular candle run if people are strapped for time

[tender oasis]

Testing the new daily candle system is pretty exhausting compared to any other stuff we had to check so far. At least for me, but I’m a sanctuary beta so nothing close experience wise to the real vet betas and whatever they have to go through until the game became the one we know now. .

[oblique mica]

I have question for my friend she have beta but as she come in it’s say she need to upload it but in test flight it’s not show the beta I’m trying to help but I don’t know what to do she’s on iOS

[kindred fossil]

is she logged in into the correct apple ID? has she joined the most recent invite waves?

[oblique mica]

She already had beta but there no link now and she can’t enter it

[slim kayak]

i mean, some of the old bugs were fun to find. my first day of beta was me crashing when i tried to walk up to the wave spirit. beta can be very entertaining

[oblique mica]

She enter in the last wave not that one we all had and she also say they restart beta every month so now she can’t get in

[slim kayak]

they don't have access wipes every month. when did she get into beta through invites?

[oblique mica]

The wave before the one we all had in season of prophecy

[slim kayak]

and she didn't get in again during the invites earlier this month?

[oblique mica]

No

[kindred fossil]

then it's not an error, she has to wait until the next invite waves to regain access

[oblique mica]

Thank you all even if it’s not slove it for now

[hollow compass]

I'm finally off work for about two weeks now, so I can maybe do some more regular or organised testing again. For me, priority would be this weird camera glitch I keep hearing about. Then maybe the new candle system. I'm also looking forward to seeing the remaining upgraded capes.

[tender oasis]

The camera one... i never had it before, then all of the sudden i had it several times yesterday and today both in beta and live. also I’m sooo curious how the black cape looks now.

[faint rose]

Does anyone have a picture of the old and new versions of the ult gift mask side-by-side?

[deft charm]

whoaa i didn't even realize the ult gift mask changed -- i love the new version

[finite meteor]

stop crunching and #beta-screenshots-videos message

[faint rose]

I gotta

[finite meteor]

you're going to kill your pc

[vapid drum]

what does the igm ‘daily light replenished ‘ mean ? i see it everytime i start with the game and entered a realm

[finite bison]

Hey wait does anyone know what the new season's cosmetics will be like?

[slim kayak]

beta has been testing the season for the past few weeks already! there are lots of pics in #beta-screenshots-videos if you want to take a look

[errant nebula]

im not sure but probably mean that you can restart doing your candle run, but how much time/day it says that, if it says more than 2 times well I dont know

[finite meteor]

beta chat is dead? quick! ask for weird things that are beta-only!/j

[timid pelican]

Someone explain the thing with the hearts for moths from seasonal guides?

[slim kayak]

if the quests were not completed during that season, the heart costs candles. during the season, the hearts are free

[timid pelican]

Like, 3 candles per heart? (outch)

[indigo halo]

They siphon your wax collection. 😉

[stoic crow]

wait, really? i completed the quests for enchantment and sanc, and the hearts were free..

[timid pelican]

Im lucky enough to have been live in enchantment and sanctuary so no prob for me, im just sad for dem future moths

[desert token]

this was implemented sometime after this current wave started. I've been putting off my ark quests since june, and I finally got my red light during the first week of this season's beta. the heart was free, but a few days later I got my blue light and found the heart for that one priced 3 candles. same for the rest now

[stoic crow]

OH, it was changed in a patch? thank you, i was unaware

[wet rapids]

Is there a way to get the headphones in-game on Android like on iOS?

[spark lance]

Happy holidays everyone!

Hope tgc gets some much needed time to be with their families during the holidays. Cheers to tgc

[fossil granite]

What are you all doing

[random coral]

Uh what do you mean?

[tawdry pine]

Beta things I assume

[slim kayak]

Not crashing surprisingly

[gilded talon]

I see people talking about it. Is it a bug or is it intentional?

[pulsar veldt]

Ktjn said its intentional

[gilded talon]

Tysm

[muted canopy]

tfw you really want to test beta things, but there are so many live bugs to report

[spark lance]

You know whats funny, i deleted beta telling myself i wont see any spoilers, yet i watch every beta video on youtube smh

[finite meteor]

procrastination 101

[tawdry pine]

Don’t you just love videos that say “BETA SPOILERS” first thing in the title but spoilers are all over the thumbnail

[stoic crow]

oh my gosh i see those all the time,, it's like saying 'spoilers' and then not spoilering a message

any sky youtubers, if you see this (i know there are some that visit this chat) please don't put spoilers in the thumbnail
(if you already do thank you )

[tawdry pine]

Even if it’s mildly hidden behind emojis- just don’t show anything of beta in the thumbnail p l e a s e
Just you in a spoiler free outfit in a spoiler free place,,, I wanted the ult gift to be a surprise but got spoilered that way and I just

[rain lotus]

Does anyone know where the stars are in the village?

[stoic crow]

sorry for late response https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0yhBsXAaKU

[rain lotus]

Thank you!

[desert mango]

In beta it is recommended that you try to find them yourself , it’s all part of the testing to test how easy or hard they are to find - 🤍

[grand scroll]

Hey people, how much does the 2nd level bearhug cost

[kindred belfry]

Quick question.. are we suppose to have the rythm ultimate hair or

[pine remnant]

it is possible, but highly unlikely that someone has it legitimately. if you see someone with it, report them just in case

[kindred belfry]

Kk thank you 🙏🏾

[lapis ore]

12 candles, same as the first level! unless they change it but doubt it

[grand scroll]

Thank you!

[graceful bluff]

Lmao I almost just reported someone with snowflake cape and yeti hair forgetting I was on beta :v

[peak token]

Was gonna open the live bersion but ended up opening the beta, im scared to death when i flund my skykid using yeti pants, and others. Im like **WAIT WHO DID THIS TO MY A- oh wait im in beta, the loog color makes me cant see the difference between live and beta **

[meager bison]

Having rhythm ultimate hair is normal in beta ... I have it myself. The deer mask from season of gratitude and the ultimate umbrella from light seekers are the items that are illegal! Please don’t report anyone just because they have the rhythm ultimate hair 😅 some of my friends wear that hair. It would be terrible if they got reported for no reason 😭

[stoic crow]

me: spends all time in beta channels and never goes into consistently active channels like gen chat
also me: why do i get so bored so easily on this server?

[tawdry pine]

I like this chat, feels like cozy yet,,, mature? Serious? Idk English is hard

[spark lance]

auuughgh i'm soo close to getting my final seasonal heart and the ult gift >:O
i wonder what it'll be-- i'm excited but i gotta sleep

[fluid quail]

gasp
ikr

[hollow compass]

The ultimate gifts are kept by the quest giver and you can see them right from the start of the season, as well as test them out in the closet.

[wild musk]

someone just led the krill to me while i was meditating

[runic pendant]

How many winged lights are there in the village of dreams?

[celest zodiac]

Will Beta also have the same TS like in Live?

[lilac forge]

anyone know where the TS located at?

[pliant perch]

TS is in isle of dawn!
ah, i noticed that we now need candles again for TS? the AP-locked ones i mean. they're no longer free to grab for AP holders. or was it just for testing purposes?

[timid basalt]

i wish i can see if non ap holders can buy them in this system

[hollow compass]

Didn't they always need candles anyway? I can't see these changes either, since I have most seasonal spirits already.

[tender oasis]

AP locked nodes were free before, but non AP nodes were made more expensive.

[hollow compass]

Oh, so you didn't need candles at all?

[tender oasis]

For Ap nodes, nope they were completely free. Im gonna check the current one tho, I haven't seen it yet

[timid basalt]

when kabuki, jelly call, and belly scratch were being tested, ap locked items were for free

[hollow compass]

There's been a few changes to this suggested system, but I thought they always cost candles.
Are you talking about when the items were in the season?

[tender oasis]

Nope, the last 3 ts i think were like this. Whatever was passlocked was free for pass holders. They costed candles when they brought the system first but then the prices were the same as live we just had pass icons on some of the nodes.

[hollow compass]

Right. So the three we had in quick succession were perhaps the latest version of the TS system, but this one is just the previous one because it's the same as for Live.

[tender oasis]

It's the same as live yes, but with pass icons. No difference in prices between the two.

[vapid fractal]

Convo in general, we don’t have red pants.....
Me thinking in my head: hehe, we do now

[young isle]

what do i do when a spirit just doesnt wanna let me relive it so i can go to eden

[tender oasis]

Maybe if you restart your game and try again?

[young isle]

ive had this bug before its the only spirit i cant relive in vault

[kindred fossil]

which spirit may that be? could it be levitate?

[young isle]

yes

[kindred fossil]

and you have relived the pray spirit from the first floor, right?

[young isle]

Wait i forgot about that one

[kindred fossil]

there we go, you need pray to relive levitate

[young isle]

yeah i completely forgot about that one thank you

[fluid kelp]

ummmm which realm is the ts in again...?prairie?

[oak berry]

isle! behind the tall ramp, not the one to the temple though

[fluid kelp]

I see.... thank you :D

[low kindle]

so we have to buy the pass and have a big amount of candles now??????

no way

[oak berry]

the pass is for beta only testing, theres no plans for its to come to live yet

[low kindle]

wasnt the items with icon supposed to be for free?

[oak berry]

things in beta are always subject to change, it was free due to the ts on the schedule iirc

[kindred fossil]

that change applied only to those spirits on the schedule, reread this post: #beta-announcements message

[low kindle]

gonna send a feedback

[kindred fossil]

i'd appreciate it if you kept "beta is always subject to change" in mind for the future, it's not out of the ordinary for those changes to happen

[tender knoll]

AP lock is not free anymore

[void mica]

@vapid briar
Hello, is there any activity in the sky on New Year's Day, 2021.1.1?

[lapis ore]

Uhh sorry but I didn’t want to get in trouble for asking in normal questions chat. A player in live is using the full upgrades for the emotes, and even if they were obtained on accident they shouldn’t be able to upgrade, right? I’ll delete if I need to

[vapid briar]

You can find everything about in-game events in the patch notes linked in #news

[vapid briar]

the only way that's possible is by hacking. the season does not begin on Live until the 4th.

[valid terrace]

the Beta TS system experiment is worrying me again
I want to give input but I don’t know what

I’m just scared of them going through with it out of nowhere

[hollow compass]

I am not worried about it, really. But I am also not affected by it, so I am unsure how to contribute anything in terms of feedback.

[steady pond]

same here, as someone who has money for passes... i will most likely be biased in saying this system benefits me (since it does) and that i like it, since i dont have to run so much anymore. buuut eh.

[lapis ore]

So since I don’t have ac all I can see rn is the second upgrade for the emote and it looks like it’s the same price as in live? So instead of getting it for free for the pass it costs the normal price and non pass holders can’t get it at all?

[gleaming yacht]

I see that the welcome spirit has the same prices as always, so it's not meant for testing now...

[hollow compass]

Owl, this may be because it's just synced with Live.
Remember we tested three other TS earlier that had a different structure. I think that is the latest iteration of this system.
For me, like lye, I always buy the AP anyway. But most of all, I already have all seasonal spirits completed, so I only buy the wing buff.

[gleaming yacht]

If this could be clarified to everyone, that'd be great, because there's no update yet that mentions that the welcome spirit does not have the new system applied (price discounts) and it could cause confusion in the tester community

[lapis ore]

Ah ok, like always beta is subject to change I suppose

[hollow compass]

I don't know if it has to be clarified. Weren't we told that the 3 TS in a row were the new version?

[kindred fossil]

it was already made clear enough that only this new system is applied to the spirits as part of the schedule

[valid terrace]

I’m just very worried about the system because it creates a blatant divide
isn’t that going against the intent of the game

[gleaming yacht]

I'm just worried that it might cause confusion... But yeah, I guess everyone should now that the new system was just for those 3 spirits, and not fully applied to the welcome

[hollow compass]

It doesn't really create more of a divide than there already is: those who buy the AP and those who don't. It's the same for seasons.

[kindred fossil]

i don't know how to feel about the system either, i only have 1 TS left (that just won't come) and has been consistently getting gift passes

[gleaming yacht]

no no, sorry I didn't explain it correctly:
if you see, the welcome spirit does not have adjusted prices (currency-free paid items), but everything costs the same, and only the ap-locks are visible (same as before the 3 concurrent travellers we had). So I was just worried that people might misunderstand this and think that the new system has been changed back to everything having a certain price haha

[kindred fossil]

oh yeah i forgot about the price adjustments

[gleaming yacht]

[merry ibex]

🍴

[gleaming yacht]

how i n a c t i v e

[kindred fossil]

just wait until the season goes live

[wary citrus]

Is it normal that the emotes from the ts costs hearts? Bc there's something about a adv pass but it says I have to pay the hearts. I'm a bit confused

[timid basalt]

if i understood correctly, the last 3 TS we had were for testing purposes (the price adjustments), and the TS now isn't part of it

[storm vessel]

Do you need adventure pass in live for the TS?

[timid basalt]

nope
just bought everything in live a while ago :SkyLOL:

[spark lance]

hey sorry for being stupid but where can i find the ts?
edit: ty!

[rich flax]

Isle

[storm vessel]

On the side of right hand ramp isle

[feral basin]

Now the mask looks like deerk mask from 1 season, so cool haha they changed it to look more fancy

[peak token]

oh krills above, when the toggle camera triggered, it crashes my game and i gotta force close the beta but when the second toggle camera appear again, it doesnt affect crash or others

[opaque swan]

how does the ts system work in beta? do we still have to buy things with candles or is it.. people without the ap can't get something?

[peak token]

the ts system works like in season, but it just cost higher, also i just realised the locked stuff isnt free anymore, you gotta pay again

[deep prawn]

scanning new map for stars i got 3 at town and 1 at hill where is the last one? town or hill?

[jovial path]

Hey, I'm just curious- does the new hat fit over other hair or does it come with its own hairstyle?

[storm vessel]

There is one in the cave backtrack from hermit area

[deep prawn]

hair slot@jovial path

[jovial path]

I- my disappointment is immeasurable.. ;-; I had great plans for that hat....

[deep prawn]

[vast zenith]

How do I get beta?

[pine remnant]

read #beta-faq

édit: it’s explained how to get beta in the faq

[vast zenith]

What do I have to do in beta faq to have the sky beta? Can someone explain it to me please

[grim umbra]

If you already have the role beta ping , wait for Ktjn send an invite sky beta .. and also the invite usually auto full so make sure you are fast and active on this Discord to get the sky beta

[vast zenith]

what is the ping to send to heaven beta? Thx🤔

I am Spanish and I have to go to the translator to read you all ah

[grim umbra]

Send to heaven beta? Umm wdym , Ktjn will send an ping beta invite in #beta-signup-info

[tacit lake]

In order to get the Beta invite ping, you need to scroll up all the way in #beta-faq and assign yourself the role using a reaction. Then if you have the role, you'll be pinged when the next wave of Beta invites come out.

[vast zenith]

El dijo que Invites for both platforms are now FULL

There will be no more invite waves for this test cycle.

It will be a few MONTHS before more invites go out.

Thank you to everyone who has volunteered to be a tester, if you missed out on these waves, there will be more in the future.p

[tacit lake]

Yes, the invites are full for the next few months, you can assign a ping for when the next waves come out

[vast zenith]

Now there what to wait I guess I still don't understand if he has given me the ping but I will wait for the truth I always wanted a candle and accessories and hearts I came from the sky content channel but since I don't know English I have to be part of this but still this well, not?

[tacit lake]

Sky beta is for testing new features seasons etc. You have the ping so you will be getting a ping when the next wave of pings comes out, which is in a few months, However, Don't join beta just for early access to content, you'll be testing for bugs and crashes as well. (If I have to i can try to explain it to you better in dms, but using a translator so you can get the message in Spanish)

[gilded parrot]

@tacit lake, to join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-signup-info! You can learn all about the beta version and the sign-up process in #beta-faq.

[static hamlet]

This is going to sound crazy, but yesterday in live in bird’s nest I heard the sound of the boats starting in Valley of Dreams and then the controls were missing from my screen and I watched my Sky kid fly along until they reappeared. I know there is a known issue causing camera disorientation etc...is it best to post this as a bug? I am posting here because I know live isn’t supposed to be active yet and I know beta knows that metallic start up sound. I’ve missed some chat and didn’t know if anyone else has experienced this. Thank you.

[hollow compass]

I think you can post that in #report-a-live-bug and also mention your theory in the "additional info" section of the report, because that might help the devs poinpoint why this is happening. (I mean, it could be because people are hacking, even though I don't think Bird's Nest should be anywhere near the new Valley area.)

[spark lance]

lol the beta ts not free again xD

[valid terrace]

yyyyep

[austere merlin]

Is the candle wax still lower as you go on like last build?

I meant, lower than average (lower than the total current in live)

[random coral]

I think it is, but I haven't done a full cr yet. It's a bug sadly

[agile lagoon]

why ts is not free?

[spark lance]

I’ve just relived the ts. Would it be the same in live ? Are we gonna start this again?

[agile lagoon]

wym? the changes have not come to Live yet, you can see the prices for ts in #seasons-events-chat. But as for Beta, I thought that new mechanic was active already, but it's not for some reason(?)

[ember marlin]

Is anyone sad for this ts? I'm sad because it requires candles again for AP locked items. This is pointless.. 😭

[slim kayak]

They might have just turned it off this time around. We don't know if the change was intentional or not, since there was no mention of it

[ember marlin]

I was looking forward for those pants too 😔

[opaque yew]

I think if they want travelling spirit to sell the items with seasonal pass and candles, well at least reduce the amount of candles , it will help with the long grinding hours too

[tacit lake]

Yea

[kindred fossil]

the change was only applied to the spirits as part of the schedule of the announcement

[spark lance]

I meant they’ve asked us earlier to test the new method of ts. So, I thought they were planning to put it in live with new mechanic.
I saw the AP required items didn’t cost more candles nor hearts then it was ok for me.
But now it is not free , why?

[opaque yew]

I hope so 🤞🏼😂

[spark lance]

No, that’s not fair. They cost 0 candles for people who bought the AP of that season. Why do they have to cost more candles for those who pay the same amount of money? Only because they joined the game later ?!!

[kindred fossil]

we're synced with live, i don't think that's the intended system

in the update post, it implies this change is affecting only those spirits for testing: #beta-announcements message

[opaque yew]

Well I guess if it was intentional , probably “some” players gave feedback of why they have to buy all seasonal pass for the season while new player only have to buy 1 pass and they get the new season cosmetics too.... like 2 in 1 package . Just a guess!!

[spark lance]

Not all spirits of the season come in a row . No one can guarantee which ts comes next.

[opaque yew]

I’m just speculating 👀 and afraid it was intentional. At least adjust the price to lift off some burden. If it is like what dark said, then should be no issue 👍🏼 as you see that Ark quest’s heart now cost 3 candles is not a bug , it is intentional

[spark lance]

Let’s just hope it is not intentional

[opaque yew]

By the way, did they announced regarding of the changes about the seasonal quest heart now cost 3 candles each? 👀

[lyric kite]

Yes, Ktjn answered it here - #beta-discussion message

[opaque yew]

Ktjn is replying to a question, i mean if no one asks then no one will know about it

[lyric kite]

Well, that's the only time it was mentioned as being intentional that I know of. It wasn't listed in the patch notes, so people asked about it here and it was confirmed to be a change they made. As to why it wasn't in the patch notes, I'm not a staff member so I don't know the answer to that

[ember marlin]

I loved the previous ts system, but why it cost candles and an AP now. That's like.. a big why. 😂

[opaque yew]

Thanks for your reply, I just want to clarify something

[opaque yew]

There is another whole community on Twitter/IG that are giving feedbacks. And their opinions are way different than ours. I guess the dev is like being sandwiched in the middle it all happens when new players demanding them to bring back old cosmetics. After they implemented it as TS, so many negative feedback from other community that ask for refund, this feedback drives up the cosmetics price.

[elfin raft]

Finally bought a pipa! I uploaded video of me playing the music sheet in game this time

[ember marlin]

Oh, seriously? People do ask for a refund when the ts is clearly a benefit for them? The only thing I know is people protested because some of the item becomes AP locked, so it's not free anymore. 😂

[opaque yew]

Im not sure if you are new player or no 👀 way back when they start implementing the travelling spirit system, it never benefitted the old players because that time they purchased the pass to get the cosmetics with dev advertise it as one off cosmetics that won’t return if you miss it that season.

[ember marlin]

I've been playing since lightseekers, and come back at enchantment with regret. I understand about the ts system being a "mistake" itself, but I was pointing towards the new ts system. Before this, AP locked items on ts are free. But then they changed it to requiring candles again.. and an AP. i don't get it how it's helpful 😂? If the AP locked items are free like the ts update before, I'm up for it since it's fair and decreases the pressure for candle runs. But if it costs candles and an AP, I honestly don't see the point of doing it at all.

[opaque yew]

Sorry I was answering your question of why they need a refund 😂 it looks like you replied back with new TS system which is totally unrelated

[ember marlin]

OH. Okay. My bad. I understand now. I thought the refund was meant for money that are spend on whaling candles for ts. 😂

[slim kayak]

Again, its likely that the free items on ts was turned off since we aren't actively testing that now.

[ember marlin]

I was referring to the current ts system compared to the last update. In the previous update, items that are AP locked doesn't require candles. Now they changed it back to requiring candles and an AP.

[opaque yew]

No, the other community asked for refund of the seasonal pass they already purchased from old seasons. TGC then tries to solve it by refunding them with candles by trading with their ultimate gifts

[ember marlin]

big nice

Sorry if i didn't explain it well enough, I hope you understand what I meant tho. It's 2am right here and my brain is not working like it should

[opaque yew]

We shouldn’t be laughing about it.... what if we are the other receiving end? Like we buy the Christmas antler now and next year they come back with 50 candles? It cost USD 15 now. But I can understand why TGC bring back old cosmetics. They had explained they want the community to feel included and wholesome. This game is not about cosmetics. But too bad they cannot impress both parties

[drifting eagle]

I think that’s just life honestly. Games change and we can’t always expect the devs to keep everything exactly as it is right now. I think it makes sense for things to become easier to get as a wider audience joins the game, even if we previously had to do something different to get the same item
What Peng says about them being able to impress both parties is very true. They will never be able to satisfy both sides they can only compromise, and as a growing team that compromise gets more and more difficult as each side becomes more stubborn/less welcoming to the changes

[opaque yew]

I think we just need to see from other people’s point of view for a change. Somehow both parties have valid points 👀 we shouldn’t stand for either side

[random gull]

so this is the first TS i actually didn't already own since we started testing the new system. have they always been the same candle cost as live? or is this not part of the testing system?

[limber urchin]

what is the effect of the relationship spell: soul mate? tried and it didn't work

[slim kayak]

The soulmate spell doesn't work in beta because it needs 2 pins. This happened with the you and I pin spell too.

[limber urchin]

but what the pin was supposed to do?

[hollow compass]

The current TS is just synced with Live. The 3 we tested in a row were part of the new suggestion for the TS system.

[slim kayak]

All we know is that the pin is supposed to give a special effect to your skykid when paired up with your 'soulmate'

[flat shadow]

Woah that sounds so cool!

It would be awesome if somehow they figured out a way to have us lot test it for them? like, if we hold hands with a friend and both activate the spell we get it? (Obviously not in live as it would only be for badge holders)

[austere merlin]

How would we feel if the beta devs implemented like a temp new account option so that if they change the beginning of the game we can give feedback? It would allow us to see the intro from the perspective of a new moth instead of wiping our data

Obvs this change would be beta only for testing purposes

[twilit spindle]

Aww, they changed the second area name- It used to be Yeti Slope-

[vapid fractal]

Whats the name now?

[kindred fossil]

hermit valley

[vapid fractal]

Thank you- and oof, I personally like the old name better but oh well. This one isn’t bad either

[static hamlet]

@hollow compass thank you! I also heard it in home social area later. I will keep listening and report it as well.

[terse flame]

Do all realms have seasonal candle bundles? Or just valley and vault

[static hamlet]

All except Isle.

[hollow compass]

I think there are always a sufficient number of new players each testing period for TGC to get enough feedback.

[proper cloud]

Hermit the frog-

[kindred fossil]

[vapid fractal]

All I can think is just hermit crabs

[random coral]

What if... yeti is actually a bunch of crabs in a fur suit

[vapid fractal]

Shhh we can’t blow cra- I mean Yetis cover secret agent Yeti

[indigo halo]

[spark lance]

I’m so excited for the new season to come out, I and my friend preordered the passes

[orchid nexus]

@earnest hound if you're in the beta tester program, you can go there yourself. if not, you can wait until the season launches in the live game

[spark lance]

Hello ppl!

Can anyone help me with sth in beta, PLEASE?

[surreal beacon]

What's sth? Also you might want to ask in #beta-looking-for-group lol

[spark lance]

Ok I will go there thnx !

[next scaffold]

hello, is there a picture with all the season of dreams cosmetics? does any of them have a voice?

[solemn pond]

is it possible to buy snowflake cape for candles?

[slim kayak]

that's a question more suited for #questions-and-help , but the answer is no. you have to buy it with real money

[lapis ore]

So idk why my friends keep ending up in the Dreams Village, but there’s no way to glitch into it in live, right?

[indigo halo]

Well........... almost....

[kindred fossil]

chances to glitch in there are very, very slim and are by accident. your friend might've kept joining a friend of a friend of a friend or kept an alt account checkpoint, or shudder "h word"

[lapis ore]

Ah ok, they claimed that a friend of theirs got in via a glitch so they just tped to them

[void mica]

Merry Christmas🌲

[radiant drum]

You cannot glitch in the new area before its release, it’s impossible. The only way to get there is via hacking, or warping to someone who did- either way, it’s against TOS and not allowed. @lapis ore I advise you to let your friend know, and for you both steer clear from that friend of theirs and the area if you don’t want trouble

[lapis ore]

Ok, thank you! Hope I don’t get in trouble for ending up there so often from tping to random friends

[radiant drum]

Unfortunately it happens to a lot of people, so while we can’t know what actions TGC might take on this I’m sure they will consider it. From now on, try to just avoid it

And of course, Merry Christmas everyone

[gaunt prism]

with the new area of ​​the season came how many treasure candles?

[oak berry]

i think i just found someone who hasnt played live, oh dear

[tiny umbra]

I think 2 ?

[oak berry]

ok so they have, but they were confused on why the eden door wasnt open

[spark lance]

I know that there are two candles cake ( one in the first area and the second is in the yeti house ) and some candles in the hot lake in the mountain (Idk what it is called) and there are random hidden lights beside the season’s guide.

[gaunt prism]

Wow I still need to find these other candles

[valid terrace]

I’m not over Yeti sheet being in Dorian mode, we need more good modal stuff like this

[vague glen]

Ok I’m not sure where to ask this but we shouldn’t be able to do the trials for the cave of prophecy right? Asking because I’m in beta rn and it’s letting me do the first trial

[pine remnant]

the trials are like the enchantment or sanctuary quests, they’re always gonna be available !

[vague glen]

Oooo ok. I guess it was just the spirits then. I had the full tower done like all the trials done but I gotta do them again

[valid terrace]

ok but Postman is the cutest spirit
just
incomprehensible squealing noises

[tiny umbra]

The cutest spirit story tooo

[ocean heart]

I still dont understand how the new candle forging system works my brain is too small

[storm vessel]

You get first five candles faster, and after ten slower

[dapper ginkgo]

Candles get big. And then they get smol.

[indigo halo]

I said something in #beta-screenshots-videos . I thought it was in a Live channel.

I almost thought they already added in the AP feature for TS.

[runic path]

Random question. How mandy candle you plan to get in this new candle system. And how many time you need for it. And can those candle you get per day cover the ts?
Gonna put stuff in feedback

[indigo halo]

Well, it depends on several factors, such as if you are motivated to do so, you made a new habit everyday, etc.
By observing the new system, it seems quite fine considering it allows you to gather many candles early on without missing more time with others.

I mostly get motivated to collect more light by making it a game/imagination. Seeing how many candles I could light and plants burn is very satisfying.

And yes, by the above factors and many others, I am sure you can cover the TS as much as you can do for now.

||Also.... the candle system seems to make you forge more candles than before....||

[jovial path]

So.. In theory, how many candles, ascended candles and hearts would you need in order to get the ultimate rewards? (aaaaaa that caaaape)

[slim kayak]

you don't need ascended candles for a season, but each ultimate reward costs 2 seasonal hearts, like last season

[jovial path]

oh, I meant normal candles :D.. In total. I've heard it'll take more than 300 candles.. is that an accurate number?

[slim kayak]

prices are subject to change from beta to live, so we aren't too sure about the pricing for the season. but as of right now, it takes 330 seasonal candles to finish the season, just like last season.

[jovial path]

Sorry if this is becoming too much, but I'm kinda a moth atm..... and this is my first proper season. 😂 I'm wondering if you can only farm seasonal candles when season starts... I really don't understand the candle farming thing right now.

[slim kayak]

seasonal candles can only be obtained during the season or with the pre order of the pass. but for more questions about the game (that don't have beta spoilers) you can ask in #questions-and-help

[jovial path]

Thank you so much aaa

[tired yacht]

Anyone going to buy the snowflake cape?

[random coral]

I think you meant to post this in #general-sky-discussion as the snowflake cape isn’t even available anymore in beta

[dapper ginkgo]

Well, to answer your question, I am.

[terse nacelle]

Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stoic crow]

merry christmas too!! just turned midnight 20 minutes ago in my timezone

[north girder]

Wait why isnt the ap items for the ts free? Is it a bug or an experiment?

[vital sentinel]

[desert mango]

🎄🎁Merry Christmas🎁🎄

[broken fractal]

🎄🎅❄Merry Christmas!❄🎅🎄

[oak berry]

i have to wait an hour

[stoic crow]

honourary merry christmas for dragon

[wispy venture]

Merry Christmas you all 🎄🎄🎉🎉🎉

[lethal pivot]

Hello there ,who know that when does the beta will be closed?

[slim kayak]

beta shall live on forever
we have no idea. if you mean when are the next invites, we don't know that either. in a few months at least

[steady pond]

AP items being free was tested only for the scheduled TS listed here

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/585611536358440960/783491320698110003
As testing for those have ended, our TS schedule has now gone back to being synced with live, and along with that, the system for how TS works in live.
I don't think its indicative of what TGC plans for the future TS tho. they wouldve said something about that otherwise.

[north girder]

Ah i see thank you so much!

[surreal beacon]

Merry Christmas, beta gang!

[languid gale]

Yall.. there are two entrances into the village right? Social area and stadium? So if I were to CR. I can just finish one race then CR in the village then come outta the Social area exit then do the second race right???

[dapper ginkgo]

That’s one way to be efficient.

[sullen relic]

i suspect it'd be faster to do the temple after one race, then go home and do the second race before branching off into the season of dreams area: if you're also doing the candle cake in the hermit valley, then you have to slide all the way back down to the village area and then fly for some distance before you get back to the start of valley

[hollow compass]

I haven't actually tried going back out through the social entrance again. Is that possible?

[sullen relic]

just tested -- it's possible, yeah

i still think you retread less ground (or air >_>) overall by doing the village after your second pass through the race rather than trying to loop through the village back to the top

[hollow compass]

The village is so big and has so few wax spots, it might not be worth it.

[sullen relic]

i'd say it's a better time investment than isle overall (two candle cakes as opposed to one), but it's still a fair amount of travel time, yeah -- but on the bright side, less burn time

[placid linden]

Merry Krillmass everyone!

[lucid jolt]

Happy Holidays everyone

[minor falcon]

my beta valley run with dreams has looked like this:
1 all seasonals and slide race, home before stadium doors cutscene
2 citadel and fly race, temple, run back to get the stadium skater statue candles, enter village from stadium
3 candle cake by the boat activation, hotsprings, fly along the clouds to hermit valley boats
4 cake in hermit valley, home

also tested rocket from hotsprings but flying along the cloud edge is much faster and controlled

[ionic sorrel]

anyone knows the location of all stars in the village?

[low kindle]

guess who just lost a piece of her first chevron because of 2 fragments

[weary elk]

Can anyone help me to get sky beta version

[kindred fossil]

you can't right now as its closed for the time being, but you can read #beta-faq to prepare for the next invite waves

[weary elk]

Ok thanks

[fickle spade]

Just keep checking if you're android. If someone leaves you can join

[weary elk]

Ok thank you

[mild loom]

how do we do the make a wish quest :0

[hollow compass]

Go to the office and use the meditation shrine to the left.

[fickle spade]

there's no meditation circle

how do i get the seasonal gift. this is the first time ive ever completed a constellation

[hollow compass]

There should be a meditation circle there. Did you activate the quest?
The season's ultimate gift is avaiable from the quest giver. Step close to her and you should see the mask and cape in her tree.

[fickle spade]

Yeah I did. There's no mask? or am dum

[hollow compass]

There isn't? The first item should be the bird mask and then the cape.
Do you maybe have a photo?

[fickle spade]

that's a mask? damn am dumb

[hollow compass]

Did you find the mediation circle?

[fickle spade]

@hollow compass #beta-screenshots-videos

[hollow compass]

To the left, not right.

[fickle spade]

Ohhhh. Ty

[tired wraith]

Lmao imma text chapter one of Tsarin’s story be right back

[hollow compass]

Sorry, Tsarin?

[tired wraith]

Haha an oc of mine lol

Couldn’t put it in the other chats because it would either not fit and it had new season spoilers

[hollow compass]

I am not sure if it's ok to post huge chunks of text here. It's meant to be a chat channel.

[tired wraith]

Oh ok lol

Didn’t know why my text suddenly disappear out of thin air after sending

[random gull]

text walls tend to get filtered by the bot as copypasta or spam. maybe save the story and post it in fanart or cozy chat once dreams releases Jan 4th

[tired wraith]

Thanks for the information

[silent lily]

Wow i love that the feathers of the new mask are more bouncy

[shadow stream]

Merry Christmas everyone! 🎄😊

[maiden minnow]

is Eden safe now for android-?

[kindred fossil]

one way to find out

[random gull]

I’ve actually recollected most of my wl from my last trip so I might go again

[stark cloud]

I went to Eden yesterday..it good now.. Android user here..

[slate heath]

when you realise you will get ~1300 candles when this seasonal candles convert: 🤯

[stark sundial]

gasp

[pale junco]

Haven't opened beta for a week what's happening

[random coral]

More testing on the daily light system, lots of bugs, more bugs. Basically normal beta stuff

[hollow compass]

How? But also why?

[random gull]

we get 25 candles daily and there’s something like 40 days left in the season if the timer is to be trusted. that’s wherre that math came from

[hollow compass]

I suspect the joy will be short lived.

[lusty jacinth]

How to do today's task in the office?

[hollow compass]

Just use the meditation shrine.

[random gull]

the candles that got wiped before were due to people exploiting a glitch. i suspect is more likely they'll cut the testing short than wipe those candles since they're legit and not bug exploit

[slate heath]

38 days left × 25 candles per day and + candles that players already collected after finishing the seasons constellation = ~1300
but they might just end the season when the season starts in live version of the game hahaha so we can't 100% trust that - but imagine 😅

[random gull]

i mean ill have almost 200 candles even if testing edned today so thats enough for me to go on a friend upgrading spree again. I'll probably need a few eden trips though

[hollow bolt]

I’m just jumping in and out to wish everyone a merry Christmas! Have a nice day beta fam! 🥰

[sullen relic]

yeah, i think it's more likely that the season will end before what the timer currently shows, there's no real practical reason for letting it run that long when most people only need a fraction of the time to complete it for testing purposes

[spark lance]

Hopefully they will introduce another element to this daily light system before we get the boot.

(As they had mentioned this being only one component of their plans to ease the grind)

[stoic crow]

apparently discord added mobile screensharing
sky streams

[royal elm]

i feel really bad because whenever I finish the season in beta I hibernate for a week, my schedule is too full to do both live and beta cr

[random gull]

Aw Raf you don’t have to log in every day to be a good beta tester I certainly don’t myself

[spark lance]

I don't have the ts pants in beta. Are they more chonky than the hermit outfit?

[tender oasis]

Nope but i can show u Khe, whenever its good for u drop me a message and i will log in.

[slim kayak]

Eh, not really, but yeti pants are floofier

[spark lance]

I feel silly not having them in beta. Esp because I am in love with them in Live. But I have no AC in beta. 😫

[vapid fractal]

I haven’t been getting any real new bugs in beta Nothing has really been strange for me- live has more bugs for me currently

[pale junco]

The new animation when you summon your friend from constellation table scared me lol

[spark lance]

It's so bad. In Live and beta. Those poor arms.

[kindred fossil]

that reminds of the really ancient bug where your friends will appear as spirits in your constellation

[hollow compass]

Tiny spirits even!

[kindred fossil]

and odd coloring i vaguely remember encountering it but i don't have any screenshots of it

anyhow, am i only one that doesn't find motivation to continue farming with the new system? i'm not sure if that's a good thing or not

[hollow compass]

No, I'm feeling much the same.

[valid terrace]

I don’t know if that’s the point

[minor falcon]

motivation totally tanks after hitting one chevron for me

[hollow compass]

It's hard to work up more energy after intense seasonal testing, plus...well, this year as a whole.

[slim kayak]

My phone hit 109 F in live today after just 1 realm I'll have to test beta later to see if its the same

[spark lance]

I'm not entirely sold on it, myself. I am really curious how this will fit into a larger whole, because as it is, I'm not overly impressed. I can appreciate how it can benefit some players. However, if it is this hard to maintain focus to test it? I candle run in chunks, throughout the day when I have the will and time. This doesn't help me so much.

[sand dawn]

@kindred fossil posted a video.. is this the bug you were describing?

[stark sundial]

I can see this wax system working like the first version of the rest bonus feature of WoW although is more complicated due to having a clear daily limit always in sky, users in WoW felt like they were being punished for playing the game by seeing the multiplier of exp going down the longer they play, later Blizzard made a resting mechanic that shows you when you're not getting exp for long times in some places (resting like kai sometimes ) and it actually shows you when that multiplier goes up and tell you the limit of the multiplier, idk how this can make the system better in sky I just found it curious

[kindred fossil]

yes! thank you

[vital sentinel]

so uh i rewatched the cha cha dance spirit cutscene ( the one who bring Bipa) and i realize they actually singing to the skater child to stop them from crying.... and im may not may writing a song of what might the spirit sing to the child nah certainly not

[hollow compass]

I feel like maybe we got a lot of things to test this time around: a whole season, a new TS system and this new candle thing. Add to that the whole year being quite taxing on most people...of course we're all tired.

[vital sentinel]

For now this is the only place where i can share this... Here’s my take for what the cha-cha spirit might sing to the skater child :

Dear child, why are you crying?
Such heartache of yours, would you be so kind to share it with me?
The future is unclear, the dream is uncertain
But thou shalt not worry, sweet child
Come, for that dream of yours shalt not come fruitless
You have been hurt, and yet you are here as strong as be
Come, understand that your sweat and tears are not in vain
For I, too, shall guide you to reach that dream

[tender oasis]

I'm whining (maybe too much) because of this since the day it came out
But u know the solution is just "don't look at your candle"

[radiant dust]

Has this beta season been confirmed for live? I honestly love it, I love the story and the cosmetics, I think it’s wonderful.
I did, however, think until the last quest that the old lady spirit was the skater spirit in the present and that she was reliving her childhood, so I felt like it was weird when she went up and got twirled around by her.

[random coral]

Yes every season in beta has gone to live, I’m not sure why it wouldn’t

[slim kayak]

it's coming on the 4th, it was confirmed in the patch notes in #news

[radiant dust]

Oh okay lovely! I try not to get too attached to them since not everything in beta faqs not everything will get to live

[hollow compass]

The main point of beta these days is testing the new seasons.

[slim kayak]

yeah, that's more for extra features like the translator, shepherd system, and invisible cape. although maybe a season won't make the cut at some point, but i don't see that happening since it takes months to make one

[radiant dust]

this is my second beta wave so I’m still a little new to it sorry if that was a weird question

[hollow compass]

I doubt a new season would be given to beta testers unless it had got approval within TGC.

[spark lance]

Do more people appear in the game when you open all worlds or no? Because I keep trying to get into the place that requires 8 people

[hollow compass]

Not really. Beta is often quite empty except at the start of the season. If you just want to get the wing light, you can chibi glitch inside.

[spark lance]

Oh okay, I already got the wing light but not the spirit

[hollow compass]

Oh, that’s annoying. You can only get it with the candles there and they don’t appear unless you activate the elevator.

[tender oasis]

Ohh try around reset, there is usually a bunch of ppl there that time.

[near locust]

Also try asking in #beta-looking-for-group just before reset to coordinate with people

[spark lance]

When will the snowflake cape be in live?

[latent palm]

so basically does the new candle update give you the same amount of candles each day?

nvm i read the update notes

[random gull]

it’s supposed to. if you run a full route and aren’t getting full candles make sure to submit feedback on it as they’re still adjusting balancing on it

[sturdy copper]

if i get a new phone and sign into my apple account, will beta be on the new phone 🤔

[elfin raft]

I wasn't really sure about the new season's cosmetics at first,but now,I am starting to like them! I like how the new capes are different from previous ones and are different in shape. I like the golden marks in the masks. I am not really sure about the yeti hair tho XD.My favorite cosmetics are the quail cape and mask
The ult mask is good! But the cape is kinda bland,I am afraid it will be hard to match with previous cosmetics

[sour escarp]

Is it too late to get the blue days of feast cape?

[elfin raft]

You can buy it for free in the shop

[sour escarp]

Where?

[proud sierra]

Days of feast ended in beta already so it’s too late

[sour escarp]

,,,oh
Okay thanks

[elfin raft]

Oops didn't know that

[sour escarp]

Also why do I see so many Chinese people? Don't they have another server?

[proud sierra]

Idk how they’re here but apparently the Chinese server’s seasonal schedule aren’t the same as ours (we have new seasons sooner based on one person I asked) so they’re here for that

[random gull]

if you log into the same apple ID that is connected to your current beta account you should be able to install beta through testflight yes.

[elfin raft]

I think they might be using the beta version instead of the chinese version of the app?

[sturdy copper]

okay thank you 🙏

[opaque swan]

I have something to bring up and I don't know if this happens to anyone else, but if you try to join your friends when they're somewhere else your game decides to completely force close and it'll keep doing it no matter how many times you refresh your game, I have no clue if this is a bug but it's happening constantly

[tribal grove]

Isn’t the beta server shared by both international and Chinese player (I could be totally wrong)

[tribal grove]

Also I just tested this out on someone (coming from an iOS device thou) and it happened okay but that could just be me. Sorry

[opaque swan]

I switched to Samsung today and I don't usually experience the issue, it's really strange

[tribal grove]

😮 that’s super cool congrats on the new phone!!

[tender oasis]

Hmm haven’t happened with me yet, i had a random crash at home but i wasn’t looking at constellation and it never repeated so make sure u bug report that

[opaque swan]

If it persists tomorrow I'll report it

[slim kayak]

Beta is open to all players through discord. The netease server does not have a beta, if that answers your question

[tribal grove]

Yes it does! Thank you so much!

[steady pond]

not entirely relevant, but its always so weird for me when people refer to netease's server as the chinese server... not that theyre entirely wrong though!
but theres chinese players who arent from china, and are therefore playing the international ver instead of netease's ver... like me 😔

[tribal grove]

I’m sorry I didn’t mean to use the wrong terminology I will call it the netease server from now on

[steady pond]

oh no dont worry about it!! i wasnt annoyed or offended by it haha, plus you are really not wrong in calling it a chinese server :P youre sweet tho

[odd ether]

Speaking of the New Candle Farming System, we do our research about how may wax we got per chevron.
Lead by @crystal compass with me and @flat bone as QC analyzer our findings shown data as follows :

Chevrons Affecting Number of Orbs Needed for One Standard Candle

- 3 Chevrons: ~ 80 orbs/candle = 400 orbs = 5 candles
- 2 Chevrons: ~ 160 orbs/candle = 800 orbs = 5 candles
- 1 Chevron: ~ 320 orbs/candle = 1,600 orbs = 5 candles

The remaining candles that able to forge is: 3.5 candles

We doing this research for 1 whole week and we are expecting any feedback from you guys if you doing the same research as well, before this system pushed into the LIVE version of the game.

Let us know what you guys think about it and thank you very much for your attention. Merry Christmas and sorry for the text wall.

With Love, Clement, io, and Raoni.

[dapper ginkgo]

Wow, people are... really taking this seriously. I thought the amount of math swirling around here was impressive but I'm even more impressed!
I haven't been researching, but with that I get from the wax and how fast I get them now, it feels pretty accurate. Although I never made it to 1 chevron.

[storm vessel]

What's the rate of the last 3.5 candles though?

[crystal compass]

Haven't really gotten down to 0 chevron yet, so that remains to be researched

I think that the new system is really effective in discouraging players from spending too much time farming for candles.

[valid terrace]

I’m tempted to do the Enchantment quests again for nostalgia
but I’d rather not become self-pitying about the timing of me starting the game but I don’t know if I will

[vernal flare]

Does anyone know how long it takes for each chevron to replenish?

[fair jay]

hello!! I don’t really want any major spoilers but I’m popping in to ask if anyone knows if there’s going to be any more green capes sometime in the future? A friend of mine really likes the color green, but there really haven’t been many, I think

[slim kayak]

Dreams is mostly red, black, and gold, so no green just yet
If you'd like to see some green in the future, leave something in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived

[drifting atlas]

So capeless is technically obtainable after completing Vault, after unlocking the hair, that is. It costs 999 hearts and it's only on beta, not live

[civic cedar]

I'm angry.
||I'm always annoyed by people who persistently chase me around all the time trying to light a fire. Even if you run around and emote, they still persistently come after you. There are a lot of people like that, especially in Beta, but what's the point?||

[radiant drum]

Why not light them

[civic cedar]

It's not just me, some people simply don't like that. What I'm want to say is that you shouldn't go out of your way to keep doing things that people don't like.

[potent heron]

Personally I try to light everyone in beta because it's so quiet and I try to add everyone as a friend

[vast grail]

Hi guys, does anyone ever count how many candles does the new system gives without the quest?

[crystal compass]

According to the devs, the total number of candles you can get daily should be the same as the number now

[vast grail]

Why do I get only 18

[crystal compass]

You can only get about 18.51 on a weekday + Saturday

[vast grail]

Yes it should be... I’m trying to give feedbacks about the difference but unsure where to begin, that’s why I’m asking if anyone got more

[fluid quail]

I'm pretty sure one of the quests for 2day is make an acquaintance, it's normal if u being chanced to death 💀

[vast grail]

The amount of candles I got is 20 (minus quest, eden, trials, and secret area) in Live

[crystal compass]

Oh yes, didn't include those in my counts for spoiler reasons

[vast grail]

oh! I see, okay! Thank you Clement ❤️

[radiant drum]

A good way to give feedback to the devs is, for example if you do full crs, do the same run in live and beta and report any final count differences. Lots of people are reporting getting considerably less candles in beta, especially if you do Valley races first, so I'm sure they will be working on tuning that in future patches

As others mentioned, the devs want the max number of candles you can get daily to remain the same, so it's a problem if that doesn't happen currently

[slim kayak]

just remembered that i haven't run prairie in beta to compare overheating yet, and now i'm too tired tomorrow then

[fluid quail]

will do.

[spark lance]

A question to Beta testers here

Why do ultimate gifts have been dissapointing cosmetics and duplicate drums from many seasons?

What happened to those glowing umbrellas and special bon fires that we all saw as moths... And thought we if play enough we may have something like that?

Nothing ever came close as ultimate gifts after Bonfire.. Are Beta testers giving appropriate feed back on this? Is tgc lacking innovation to make accessories ?

[timid basalt]

the feast table is probably the closest thing to a bonfire right now i call it bootleg bonfire

[radiant drum]

Cosmetics from seasons are never (at least so far) introduced or completely changed during beta testing. Those are defined by TGC much earlier and based on feedback from the community as a whole

[spark lance]

It takes 1 min 30 seconds to charge 10 wings using feast table

[radiant drum]

And a lot of what you said it’s up to personal preference. There are people who absolutely loved the ultimates we’ve had from recent seasons and some that hated them. If you feel strongly about these things, you should submit feedback to TGC in #live-feedback

[graceful bluff]

I'm pretty happy with the ults. They're around the same premise of the past ults, accessories, masks, capes

They're still fun, and they still look nice. And having that glowy umbrella or campfire wouldn't fit with the more recent themes.

[radiant drum]

Personally, I prefer more useful props such as the bonfire and umbrella, so I wish we had more of those too instead of instruments and clothing. But that’s not to say the ultimates so far are bad just because I have a preference

[graceful bluff]

I'm also trying to make myself feel better for not being there for the past seasons TvT

[spark lance]

You have them all UGs👀 sky life is different for people who started during or after enchatment.

[radiant drum]

It’s hard to have a constructive discussion when you dismiss someone’s thoughts because they don’t match yours. As I mentioned, you can always submit it directly to TGC in #live-feedback if you want them to listen

[graceful bluff]

I've only been able to collect a total of three ults and I'm happy with them. Less so of the drums, but that's just cause I don't really use drums

[spark lance]

I wanted to discuss what beta testers are thinking.. 2-3 people isn't enough for a sample size.. I've already put in my feedback by the way

[radiant drum]

As this isn’t really a beta thing, you’d probably have more minds and opinions if you bring it up in #general-sky-discussion or #cozy-sky-discussion, just remember to be open to what everyone thinks

[spark lance]

Ofcourse.. I wouldn't dismiss anyone's thinking.. at the same time I shouldn't change either just because others are on the same train of thoughts. Thanks for your message

[slim kayak]

I do wish there were more items with use as ultimates, but those items were made before the concern of pay to win was an issue. That doesn't mean that I don't like the current ultimates, because I do.

It also could be because the devs are working from home. I can imagine that it takes a lot time to make functional items, something that the devs might not have had for a while. Look at the lantern, it took a year for it to come to the game.

Anyways, like mirian said, #live-feedback would be a good place to voice your ideas

[hollow compass]

I personally think that useful items shouldn't be ultimate gifts, because they're not available for everyone. I always feel OP when wearing my bonfire, because I can just recharge myself whenever. I would prefer only uniquely aesthetic items like the deer mask or the current bird mask instead. Even instruments feel somewhat out of place, for me.

[dark quail]

Honestly I have to agree with this; having functional items as ults gives an unfair advantage (yes I know there are the spells, but those are short lived & one use)

[kindred fossil]

which makes me wish the prop spells are now more like the feast table spell and lantern spell, you'll get more use out of your bonfire spell in 10 minutes

[pulsar blade]

This is beta but i noticed a small storm of sky players in live prior to the season. Weird

Its happens too last season. When the season starts, after two weeks, sky players faded

[hollow compass]

@tender oasis sorry, I got split from your group. But it's ok, need to charge my phone and also let it cool down. 🔥

[tender oasis]

Ohh i just wanted to ask if do u want us to wait a little cause i saw u offline. That rocket wasnt my strongest today either srry a out that Do you want me to write if we go anywhere else but phone killer prairie? Also feel free to dm me anytime.

[trim grove]

This is exactly what I thought! Thank you so much for sending your feedback.

Would really glad if we can get future ultimates so cool that it make me not wanting those or ever again 😆.

[pale junco]

Share your ideas on #wishlist-and-ideas-archived

I'll leave a suggestion for a beta wishlist and ideas

[pure umbra]

This question has probably been answered a thousand of times, problem is i haven't played beta in a long time. What happened to the ts friendship tree? Now it's locked by pass and we also have to spend hearts and candles for everything or is it just a bug?

[pale junco]

Should be a bug because ap only items were supposed to be free

[pure umbra]

yeah exactly, i was so confused. Good to know that it's not an official thing or so it seems

[tropic radish]

Wanna drop my two cents
Dissapointing from a functional item with advantages perspective ?, Then same
As a general aspect of an ult ?, not really :0 they just changed functions ( "boost" item to cosmetics ) . Heard it changed because it promotes pay to win (?)

Maybe something similar would come back if the ult is an improved functional item from an existing season spirit also has said item, a pinch of difference, but still specialism its own way (ex : refer to lightseekers umbrellas ). Maybe

I like the ultimates as for what they are right now, and I don't mind if they do/dont change back to ults like campfire or umbrella

[azure spruce]

I think everything's fine as it is. Sure it's not as powerful nor flashy as the original ones but I mean we got alternatives? Just my own perspective dont hurt mi
tho im really jealous of people having owl hair :pWow: ( wow emote's not working for me lol)

[fluid quail]

I know it's random, u seem to be not a beta tester, but I'd like it if u became one.. if that's possible sometimes in the future.
regarding ur question I don't think it's entirely up to beta testers to choose the ult, but since the ult were as they were then the answer of ur question is that yes it seems that the majority liked the recent ultimates. and if Ima be specific... gratitude was a mask (regular), lightseekers was umbrella(unique), belonging was bonfire(unique), enchantment was some kind of a hat/tassel(regular and new), Sanctuary was manta cape(regular), rhythm was a hair/mask(regular), prophecy was a mask/instrument(regular). so I'd say 3 season only that got unique(new of a kind) items and 2 useful ones (not cosmetics or instruments) and the rest are cosmetics.. anyways I see your point and u seem frustrating so I'd say that there's no pattern in the ult and there might be more unique items coming, so ult won't always be a cosmetic.. I hope.

[flat bone]

#beta-discussion message

[bold quarry]

so ive got a question about the daily light candle system that is upcoming. i am hoping this hasnt been asked a ton, i dont want to be a bother!

i want to ask if since you will get the same amount of candles just a little quicker, does that mean once you reach the candle limit (18.5) for the day, does any remaining wax on the maps disappear for you? or do they just show but dont give you any more?

[crude crystal]

same amount as far as i know

[crystal compass]

So the number of candles you can forge each day is the same as the amount you can forge in live. However, instead of 150 light orbs required to forge one candle, different amounts are needed depending on the number of chevrons there are on the candle symbol.

Therefore, if you managed to forge 18.5 candles, you would have collected all the wax in all the realms already.

[fluid quail]

no you will be able to collect all the lights available each day, also it's not quicker, it's gonna take the same time. BUT, you will get more at the beginning, less at the end

[bold quarry]

ahh i see

[fluid quail]

does that answer ur question u seem lost 😂

[bold quarry]

im very lost, but thats just my neutral state! 😭
so to make that system work, once you reach the "normal" rate of wax needed to forge 1 candle, it would require more than 150 in order to make all remaining wax sustainable?

[fluid quail]

Idk yet

[sullen relic]

there will be a point where you're earning candles slower than the current system in live, yeah, because that's mathematically necessary to make the whole total add up to the same amount since you were earning candles faster at the beginning

[bold quarry]

^ thats what i was wondering, thank you guys for your wonderful responses!

[sullen relic]

To use an analogy for a full candle run, imagine that you're working a 40 hour week, but you ask your boss to pay you in advance for the first few days because you needed the pay sooner for those days: what will happen is that you're paid more on the first few days, but paid less on the last few days because you were already given some of it in the beginning -- this is basically what's happening with the chevron system.

[fluid quail]

why 40 hour tho- 💀

[sullen relic]

it's just an example to illustrate how the end total is still the same, just that the timing of the payments is shifted around -- don't worry too much about the exact example numbers

[trim grove]

Yeah i 💕 that we also got alternatives. For example we can get the parasol from ts to replace the . I think this current 🎄table also can be considered alternative to the , although a bit slower recharge power.

p/s. super excited for the phoenix ultimates in dream

[fluid quail]

was just jk

[silent lily]

Am i the only one who thinks the mask looks like a secretary bird

[sullen relic]

what's a secretary bird?
edit: it's apparently an actual thing according to google

[silent lily]

Check #beta-screenshots-videos
Just posted There@sullen relic
Secretary bird is..... A bird

[sullen relic]

the actual bird looks a bit more frazzled to me, but i can see where you're coming from...

[fluid quail]

inspired by it maybe, nice observation tho

[oak berry]

it reminds me of a harpy eagle more so

[azure spruce]

This was my first thought when the cosmetics were out!

[tender oasis]

The shape reminded me of a hoopoe but colors not so much

[abstract sand]

Has anyone gathered all the cosmetics in one photo or something?

[normal nacelle]

when will the black and white capes tier 2 version be released?

[vital sentinel]

Soon

[hollow compass]

™️

[hollow compass]

There are five wl. I don't know any specific oobs yet, but there's a lot to discover!

[maiden minnow]

I feel like the only reason they're not releasing yet is cause they know we cant afford them anyways

[spark lance]

I’m not beta but can someone send me a picture of the season of dreams ultimate mask and days of feast horns pls dm me

[misty star]

Still need?

[spark lance]

Yeah

[prisma obsidian]

Hey what is the new heart button in the top right saying “ mysterious ranking of how friendly you are” all about ? 

[tepid rapids]

I have no idea....

[primal pagoda]

not a new thing, that system is gonna have its own anniversary LOL
just figured that the shepherd system has been around since October 2019 so technically its been a yearrr

[tepid rapids]

Thanks for the information!!!

[prisma obsidian]

Iv never seen it before ..How does it work ?

[primal pagoda]

it works mysteriously

[prisma obsidian]

Hahhah

Apparently I’m not that friendly 🙈 Hahha

[hidden quarry]

no one knows how it works and its buggy 🥲

[prisma obsidian]

Thanks guys for the info 🙂

[gilded parrot]

You just shared a beta invite in a public channel, @fallow root. Beta invites can't be used by players who haven't already joined beta, and they're single-use so you should probably DM those

[tough oracle]

IDK if anybody knows, but spirit ping pong in orbit does not count on your chevron meter

[tender oasis]

Ohh that’s nice to know. Not like i would ever do daily eden for wax but its a good thing. ☺️

[tropic radish]

Ooo, thanks for the heads up ^^
also imma start calling it spirit ping pong from now on www

[native flame]

What is your most favorite upcoming seasonal cape?

[wooden raptor]

Spirit ping pong is actually very good. I was curious if I would get more candles in eden if I went after reset... well no more

[native flame]

My favorite one is the red cape with scarf

[drifting atlas]

Well, the red cape with fluff, guessing it'll fit with sassy stance

[hollow compass]

I’ve come to really love the loop hair and the red pants.

[random gull]

I love the fluffy red cape so much if I could get that in dark blue too I don’t think I’d ever take it off

[drifting atlas]

Weirdly, the Spinning Mentor's hair looks like one of the Enchant spirit's hair, forgot which but yeah

[tender oasis]

I can't decide between red cape with scarf and yellow, but i love almost all the cosmetics this season very much.

[spark lance]

I was not prepared for this season's cosmetics. 😍

[tiny umbra]

The scarf cape for me ! But the yellow cape is growing on me

[slim kayak]

I absolutely love the red fluffy cape. It makes me feel like a rich, mysterious villain

[clear portal]

Lots of moths in beta the last few days...all wanting ubers to Valley of Dreams. Most need a friend to enter.

[pseudo notch]

It's not hard to get there though... Just one or two valley spirits, isn't it?

[valid terrace]

does the Village have custom music or just Citadel music

[desert token]

it's custom music, but it has some of the same themes as the score from the rest of valley

[valid terrace]

oh no
I'm bugged, I'll go report it right now
but I haven't been there as of the recent update

[valid terrace]

ok sent it

[junior dirge]

Is the snowflake cape available in live yet. Its the only feast cosmetic i have not seen

[slim kayak]

!noflake
for future reference @junior dirge , you can ask general sky questions in #questions-and-help as long as they aren't beta related

[gilded parrot]

The Snowflake Cape will be available starting on December 28th at 00:00 PST (UTC-8), and will be available in the in-app shop until 23:59 PST (UTC-8) on January 3rd.

[clear portal]

@pseudo notch You’d think as beta players they would know how! 🤔 But they’re kindly about it.

[hollow compass]

Do report them, though.

[clear portal]

@hollow compass No. I’ve heard Android allows new beta players in as others leave. I don’t think they’re hackers. Let me know if I’m wrong!

[hollow compass]

I'm going to say that there is a very high probability they are, given that they were so many, as you said. Plus, the fact that they don't know what they're supposed to be doing in beta. If they want to be ubered to the new area, tell them they need to play through the whole game once first for the sake of testing and see what they reply. 😉

[tawny badger]

Android really allows that.

[halcyon quail]

I swear there are too many real moths in beta, how did they end up there? They don't even know what a vault is!

[clear portal]

Good advice, @hollow compass

[desert token]

generally speaking I meet more hackers and “testers” who got into beta via third party means than I meet actual discord based players. in home, the sound of infinite candles is more common than hearing someone play an instrument. today, during a full candle run, I encountered two people marked “moth” by the shepherd system wearing the white gratitude cape collecting emotes and sporting around 4 wedges

I feel like a cynic but at this point I’m basically suspicious of every player I see

[spark lance]

It does make it hard to want to be friendly with those you don't already know. Most of my beta friends are friends from live.

[slim kayak]

unfortunately, the defenses that existed for beta don't work anymore. it used to be that if beta was downloaded from something other than google play or the app store, you'd be locked at home and isle. the other portals were not active. but they have gotten around that. the only thing we can do is report them and wait for tgc to find a solution.

anyways, lets move on from this topic now

[spark lance]

Can we talk about the capes some more?
I do love the fluffy red cape, with the inverted ermine detailing. It is just a tad on the short side for me to really use. And that is okay! I can still appreciate it and I am glad so many enjoy it.

[slim kayak]

yes! all of the capes are so well designed, although they don't quite fit with other cosmetics. i'm really happy about having more warm colored pants though

[tender oasis]

I think yellow is pretty good with rythm, manta and prophecy pants too.

[spark lance]

I will have to try it with the Sanctuary pants. Hopefully my skykid in Live stops being green when I have them on. The capes feel very regal this time around, and the yellow is certainly no exception. I can also see how it would of course work with the hakama pants.
Edit: forgot I have prophecy pants in beta. Oof.

[desert token]

the prophecy pants seems to go well with pretty much anything in my opinion the rhythm pants have a lot more of a blueish tint to the torso, and naturally the purple exaggerates that. the prophecy ones are so versatile in comparison hehe

[ornate pollen]

I’m not sure if this is the right place to ask but could somebody help me through the ||fire trial||? I’ve been stuck at the 10th checkpoint for two days, and I’ve watched a plethora of tutorials... still can’t seem to get through it.

[pseudo notch]

Try asking in #beta-looking-for-group

[ornate pollen]

Okay!

[ocean verge]

hello beta chat!

I saw the updated version of the dreams ult mask, it looks soo nice! A lot more softer and pretty

[hollow compass]

As much as I love all the cosmetics in Dreams, I am almost more excited for the tier 2 capes coming to Live. I really want to get the purple one eventually.

[spark lance]

The purple, blue and teal are all lovely.

[tacit stone]

Belated Xmas everyone! I've sent an angel to watch over each of you but they refuse coz angels don watch over angels

[low kindle]

i wanted photos of the black and white ones

[tacit stone]

Is Black n White Tier 2 Capes available in beta now?

[low kindle]

no (if im not wrong)

[spark lance]

Could someone tell me why do I meet only people from China in beta? Is it normal or am I bugged?)

[tacit stone]

You could say there r many of them flushing into beta with mods these days , like TONS

[spark lance]

It's crazy. I see people using scripts and so on.

[tacit stone]

You're right abt wat u see

[spark lance]

Dunno why, but I mean literally each person that befrended me was from China. I thought I got to wrong server)

[tacit stone]

That doesnt sound absurb to me considering similar situations i got in beta, but im sure the devs r doing their best even though it doesnt look so good now.

[low kindle]

ive only found chinese players as well XD

[spark lance]

Oh and another question: is it normal that my world is almost empty?) I mean I meet players very seldom. Maybe because I have just few friends and they are inactive.

[tacit stone]

A big flood, and 9/10 are..... scripted.

[desert token]

in beta there are only a few thousand players while there are millions in the live version. that’s why the world is extremely lonely

[tacit stone]

Beta is always more empty than live. So it is better to make few more friends in case u need help in beta :) Also having a chibi mask to dig is extremely useful considering that you will be lonely in front of most doors

[spark lance]

Yeah, I'll work on chibi)))

[tacit stone]

I still working on it as well, coz im too lazy to do Eden in beta to get AC for wingbuff nodes

[slim kayak]

now that the hype for the season is over, most testers aren't logging in anymore. by the end of testing, right before access wipes, there are usually only a hundred active testers left

[desert token]

a good tip is to stock up on the chibi pin spells from the stone offering them in home. they’re for testing the next batch of star pins, but function almost exactly like a shrink spell. the only difference is that friends are also affected if you’re holding hands in case you don’t have a chibi mask that is

[spark lance]

Whoa

[tacit stone]

thanks for the tips nightmistery! Haven got time to get into both live n beta this week

[desert token]

before the new access wipe system was introduced (during testing pre-sanctuary), it was normal for only about 50 players to be online at the same time iirc. I’d have to dig for the quote though

[slim kayak]

#beta-discussion message here's the quote

[spark lance]

Well, it's lonely indeed

[desert token]

eyy thanks aeras

[kindred fossil]

i guessed 30, i don't like the fact i was close

[desert token]

me either. we’re all pretty lucky I guess - I think opening the doors in prairie takes long as it is now imagine before

[spark lance]

I don't even try to go to elevator puzzle in prairie

[desert token]

I managed to get up there today, but it took about 25 minutes of waiting. I was doing a full candle run in order to test out the new system further just after a new beta wave you can get up there pretty easy since a lot more are active, and the moths need the spirit + wl

[kindred fossil]

on the brighter side i think we're gaining more active testers, i remember when this channel was just dead silence and !betafaq spam

[spark lance]

Nice to chat to people)

[tender oasis]

Around reset your chances are pretty high to get a full server at 8 player. But the best tactic is messaging around friends

[kindred fossil]

"i remember" too much, as you can see i truly want to be a fossil

[desert token]

absolutely! the new system allows both older beta testers who want a season off to not feel bad about being inactive, and gives newer players a chance to help out too. I’m so happy they made the change, even if the server goes bananas when the new wave comes

[spark lance]

I am a real fossil))

[kindred fossil]

okay!

[desert token]

can’t fault u, dinosaurs are epic

[spark lance]

Lmao

[spark lance]

Okay so, I’m tryna do my math right here.
The max candles one can get each day with the seasonal pass is 6, right?

[zenith wasp]

yes in live
No in beta

[spark lance]

Okay good. I’m tryna figure out how long I need to work to get the ultimate gift when lives seasonal event starts. :)

[low kindle]

hi guys, how long translation tool has been tested on beta? do you guys know if its going to come to live someday? i really need it 🤣

[bold moat]

iirc the translation tool was added when Enchantment was introduced into beta, however I could be misremembering the exact date, for if it’ll come to live, I don’t think there’s ever been a patch directed towards the tool in quite a while, so I doubt it’ll be coming for a while

I realise this is very late to your question but I’ve spent very long writing this

[low kindle]

thank you so much 😊

[valid terrace]

ok but I’m imagining Performer’s TS price

brrrrrr

Capes are 60-75 iirc
Masks at most 36-48
The gat is prob 36-48 too, plus the pipa, 75

this is making me uncomfortable
so at the maximum

then you have the compulsory 13 extra candles for heart and blessings up the tree, so at most, Performer would total to 259

please be merciful on our souls

this came to mind because I’m about to design this spirit who I have a lot of ideas for design-wise, and I might end up giving them 4 things

“No, 4 things would be a bad idea ethically if that one was a TS

...Performer has 4 things
...oh no”

I doubt 259 would be allowed, they might as well lower the prices of stuff for everything TS -
the system needs an overhaul, not to do with the AP idea

but an overhaul for the idea of the possibility of this sort of thing

a more reasonable total would perhaps be 195 (60+30+35+70)
matches Don’t Go

wait no I forgot the 13

[proud sierra]

What would TCG do with this though? Making performer’s cosmetics cheaper than expected from cosmetic categories (capes, instruments, etc.) wouldn’t seem fair at all.

And I still can’t imagine a ts going over 200 candles

[valid terrace]

Yes, exactly

the idea of Performer as TS is concerning

Does any spirit eligible so far as TS had 4 things?
No, afaik

[slim kayak]

yikes. now that you mention it, the ts system as it is now is very expensive for 4 spirit seasons, since these spirits have more items per spirit due to the smaller number. i agree that the ts system has to have an overhaul. even if the idea is to not have players buy everything at once (like discouraging full candle runs with the new system, even if that's not the main intent), the majority of ts spenders buy candle packs. how much money would that even be????

[desert token]

I think having 4 spirits in a season is beneficial for the overall likelyhood of a specific spirit returning as a traveling spirit. after the season of dreams, the probability will be 1/39 every 2 weeks. with more and more seasons, some spirits will basically never come back. however, this issue - of having an unreasonable amount of items available from one spirit - will inevitably follow. they're definitely working on overhauling the TS system, so maybe they believe this problem will have a solution before the season of dreams spirits can become travelers

[valid terrace]

The TS system needs an overhaul in general, not just one simple change
It needs reworking for the sake of my hypothetical above

let’s think of ways

uh
imma go through my memory of every single seasonal spirit that eidetic memory has somehow thought is a good idea to store, and count how many things every single one has

[desert token]

I've seen people suggest making the pass locked cosmetics free to those with a pass - but available for "normal" prices to those without a pass. I like this idea, since it doesn't make stuff completely inaccessible. however, with spirits like the performer - as you said - some items would basically become inaccessible anyway since the spirit as a whole surpasses the amount of candles a player can get for free in 2 weeks

[proud sierra]

I do like that idea and I hope that makes it to live
But also remember that we can get more candles as more maps are added... perhaps this won’t actually be a problem

[slim kayak]

but with the new chevron system as it is now, that most likely won't be possible, since it seems that it might limit the number of candles we can get. however, this could change at any time, so it's hard to make a judgement on it right now

[desert token]

not necessarily, since the new system of forging candles seems to either be extremely bugged balancing wise, or cap out at around 17 candles (where the races are done last, since they are bugged to still give 1 candle each)

[proud sierra]

This less candles thing is still a bug right?
If so then I’m still assuming we get the full amount in the future

[hollow cloak]

If people who can pay money for pass would buy candle packs to get the TS anyways, doesn't that just effectively reduce the amount of money TGC gets?

Like... The FTP players who are struggling with costs would just struggle the same amount, since they have to buy everything as usual.
The people who would've been paying to finish the TS then don't have to pay anymore...

[slim kayak]

hmm... even with the new ts system, half of the items would still cost candles. those paying for packs would still have to spend a lot of money, maybe the same amount or even a bit more than they are now for a spirit with 4 items

[valid terrace]

I’ll make a scatter graph of sorts of the number of things each spirit offers in each season
I doubt there’s a pattern

[desert token]

I definitely don't think the candle balancing is completely as its intended to be, but given that more wax doesn't necessarily increase the amount of candles you can get when you're running around on 0 chevrons (unless the amount is huge), I don't think we can expect a noticeable increase in the amount of candles per day anytime soon

[pulsar veldt]

I don't really think we need more system to make items free, i mean oldbies already buy adv for these items in past season, we are just doin same thing. pass items are in pass and free item are in free, just fair enough for my view

[desert token]

compared to the system we tested previously, the people who are F2P could now have the opportunity to purchase candle packs for the pass locked items

[valid terrace]

no this chart is a waste of time

everyone has had 2 or 3 things

[tiny umbra]

I’ve been worried about future ts prices since prophecy, I hope they round it down so the whole number is ok instead of just the seperate cosmetics
I did notice that rhythm traveling spirits are much cheaper than traveling spirits from seasons before the ts but of course the only points of reference are the three rhythm traveling spirits and shrug

[slim kayak]

it's not necessarily about making more items free. it's about the potential cost of a whole ts that has 3 or 4 items. how can the devs make items still feel like they have value while helping players who are too stressed to candle run/ are spending way too much money every other week on a traveling spirit that costs 200+ candles?

[desert token]

the main thing I dislike about the system we tested is that people who bought the pass for enchantment for instance, but didn't complete the season, could end up unable to get those items after the season's end

[hollow cloak]

But a lot of F2P people are F2P out of necessity, not choice...?
So it just kind of makes it harder for them, while paying players have less to pay for.

Of course, if you've got friends who gift you a pass, that would negate the problem... Hmm... :SkyThink:

[valid terrace]

here’s the awful chart I abandoned: #beta-screenshots-videos message

[hollow cloak]

That's actually kind of interesting to see visually, I'd be interested to see all of the seasons compared

[lapis ore]

oh god performer as a ts is terrifying, I’d want all the things

[tiny umbra]

Belonging vs Lightseekers be like ☯️

[valid terrace]

it has literally nothing to show
nothing in terms of anything that could be found out from it

[desert token]

I don't disagree at all - tbh I think making the items pass locked when the spirits are going to become very rare will basically force people to buy the ap even if they don't want to. I was just responding to your point that such a change would give tgc less money

[tiny umbra]

Prices might also have something to do with popularity, no doubt the Dreams spirits will be pretty popular later

[desert token]

also, what's up with not being able to gift a pass unless you own one? wasn't like this for enchantment

[slim kayak]

i mean, it's a good way to visualize just how expensive each season can get with their spirits. although i think knowing which ones have capes or instruments or pants might also be helpful, since those items are the most expensive.

[valid terrace]

Performer is the only one to have 4 things so far, and me realising this brought this disturbing revelation on

[tiny umbra]

We can’t know how the 4 spirit season thing will affect ts until after dreams ends and a prophecy ts comes unfortunately

[hollow cloak]

Yeah, I'd hate to have to come in as a moth later.
The seasonal items are only getting more complex and beautiful, and the 4-spirit system is making it so that the gorgeous cosmetics are stuck behind nodes and high costs...
The concept of TS for Dreams is actually pretty terrifying. I adore the Peeking Postman. Imagine how much the pants would cost. And the scarf cape. :SkyDontGo:

[slim kayak]

well, we never know if a future seasonal spirit will also get 4 items. imaging a season with just 3 spirits (if that makes sense for the season or something). a spirit with 5 items could be possible then. i don't even want to think about the price of that one

[valid terrace]

300 candles babyyyyyyy
please no no

[tiny umbra]

A 3 spirit season, good god

[valid terrace]

we need to think of ways to overhaul the current TS system together for the sake of this, I’m out of ideas right now

[desert token]

everyone is hype for the juggler or the thinking spirit to come as a TS - but they'll probably be at least as expensive as the don't go spirit the dreams spirits - should we have the current system in live when they come - would be the same way. they're pushing the limits of what a non-candle-buying player could expect to collect in 2 weeks

[lapis ore]

Hmm unless they make ts stay for longer? Since they can only adjust prices so much and I know people tend to panic cr a day or so before ts

[hollow cloak]

Well, to be fair, that's TGC's job. We're just players. They're literal game developers who have been trained to solve problems like these, and furthermore, are being paid for it.
We're here for feedback, not fixing the game. :SkyLOL:

[tiny umbra]

Unless those players have been around for a long while and have many traveling spirits they could count on to come as repeats so that they don’t have to spend anything for a month or so,
I know you can get 200 candles in two weeks, but it’s tough work, I wouldn’t expect anyone else to do so

[valid terrace]

give feedback I beg of you
I can’t phrase my thoughts right now

[lyric kite]

Unfortunately, I think TGC dug themselves into a bit of a hole early on by initially selling the idea of the adventure pass giving players access to exclusive items that would be available during that season only. Then the game blows up and gets huge, and newer players feel that it's unfair to never be able to access certain items just because they joined late. So the traveling spirit system is implemented to help with that, but some older players get upset because their exclusive items are no longer exclusive.

I think if they had somehow implied from the beginning that no items would be exclusive forever and that buying the adventure pass would just give more immediate access to items, it may have been easier to implement the TS system later and have more reasonable prices for the items. Because then at least the people who paid for the pass would have known that the items could come back, and they would have been able to make the choice to purchase just to support TGC instead of paying for exclusivity and then feeling cheated later.

[hollow cloak]

Hmm... Thinking about it now, I don't think the current system is balanced towards anyone.

Veterans have most of the TS and are kind of bored.
The midrange players are stressing over seasons they've missed and are candle running for TS like mad.
Moths don't know what's going on, but as they realize what they've missed, are probably going to only feel more and more behind as the game goes on. And I don't think that's good for bringing in new players; looking at what's been missed and having to wait for an unknown amount of time so that you can get your favorite TS... Yikes...

[lyric kite]

As for how to solve some of the problems now, I don't really know. We can't go back in time and change the past, and any solutions now would be a compromise and not really satisfy everyone completely

[slim kayak]

even if you could get 200 candles in 2 weeks, unless you were already saving candles before that, you still wouldn't be able to buy out performer's tree. assuming that players who candle run for it also would buy the previous ts, they wouldn't be able to do it.
and for those who buy out candles for ts (remember that the majority of players spending candles on ts buy them), that's about 100 USD they're spending on 1 ts, which is crazy. I know there are lots of players willing to spend that much money, even more than that sometimes, but they shouldn't have to.

[pulsar veldt]

I don't khow every people have different view we can just understand each other

[desert token]

I mean in an ideal world I'd like to have extremely expensive past seasonal constellations in ||orbit||, which you can complete at your own pace. however, that would never ever work given how the TS system has been handled

[hollow cloak]

Actually... Yeah, permanent seasonal constellations would be really cool.
It would kill me, because completing even one constellation was a huuuge amount of work for me, but it'd be much more relaxing. :SkyWhew:

[slim kayak]

we had that as a bug once in beta it's not too far fetched

[valid terrace]

I really don’t know what’d be a good idea, Dreams TSs scare me

[desert token]

my secret dream is having the ultimate rewards accessible as an iap after completing the seasonal constellation

[hollow cloak]

I can definitely see people getting angry if they make seasons permanent constellations, though. Verrrrry angry.

Although, like...
Wait.

What if they rotate TS returning as usual, except once you relive their memory, they're added to the seasonal constellation ||in Orbit||??? And then you can buy their stuff at your own pace????
So you can't choose what memory/emote you're getting next, but the stress of collecting is greatly reduced...!

[slim kayak]

the bug happened right before enchantment testing (that's how we found out enchantment's name early on, the seasonal constellation was in orbit). any seasonal spirit we already relived was able to be accessed in orbit, which was pretty interesting. You could have bought some items from the spirits too, although i never did.

[desert token]

your messages describe pretty much the same thing

[sullen relic]

how does the idea of "advanced notice" sound if an upcoming TS had a total cost beyond a certain threshold? like say if a TS which had a total cost of over 200 candles was the next one, it'd be teased 10 days in advance rather than the usual 2~ days for regular ones?

[ember oriole]

Why can’t they just announce the ts of the month so that players know what to save for and who not to save for

[hollow cloak]

I would love more advance notice for TS.
Advance notice in any game for any limited item/character/whatever is a gift. I cherish it.

[slim kayak]

sent a pic of the bug in #beta-screenshots-videos

[sullen relic]

i dimly recall jenova answering a similar question on a livestream to the extent of "wanting to keep things more exciting for players by leaving things a surprise rather than just announcing the whole list in advance"

[desert token]

even 10 days in advance, you'd only be able to get about 170 candles assuming you're collecting 17 per day. about 238 by the time the TS leaves. my main issue is that that doesn't take into account friend interactions, which players shouldn't ever feel "too nervous to buy" in my opinion again, players aren't forced to buy from ever TS and all that - but in a game where basically everything that gives actual "progress" comes down to collecting cosmetics it's inevitable to feel some intense fomo

[ember oriole]

Is the element of suprise really worth breaking your back and going out of your way to candle run even though you don’t want to?

I got burned out of sky badly because of it and it’s not fun, they really do need to change the candle run system because it’s not fun to play anymore

[hollow cloak]

Right, I'd love to trade hearts with friends and have fun unlocking regular emotes and completing constellations... But I can't. Because of TS.

Shoot, regular emotes... How many people even have all of those upgraded? I haven't upgraded the vast majority of them, aside from 100%ing a constellation. But the upgraded versions are really neat.

[valid terrace]

YES

I want to always keep my candle count up hhh

[tiny umbra]

Tgc has said repeatedly that they will make changes based on the needs of the players, that’s why the beta ts system and the chevron system is here, I’m sure that line from Jenova was back when it was just starting out, but now it’s getting heavier so

[hollow cloak]

So... Feedback it is!

[ember oriole]

What does fomo mean?

[valid terrace]

The current TS system could become a pretty huge problem simply with the addition of Dreams to the pool

[tiny umbra]

Fear of missing out

[tiny umbra]

Well on the bright side, good thing the soonest Dreams ts is probably somewhere next July

[valid terrace]

good

[slim kayak]

well, at least that gives tgc some time to change up the ts system before players go broke

[ember oriole]

I wish there was a different way to get candles

[tiny umbra]

That’d be Chevron system, though hopefully with improvements

[ember oriole]

I still don’t understand the chevron system I read it thru multiple times and it still didn’t make sense

[slim kayak]

ktjn also mentioned the dev team are coming up with different ways to get candle wax, and we'll get to see it sometime next year.

[ember oriole]

I wish the prophecy trials gave out more candle wax so there’s be incentive to do them

[desert token]

I'm happy there's such little wax becuase I don't feel like I have to do them very often

[slim kayak]

the devs took out candles to actually discourage players from candle running them everyday so...

[tiny umbra]

remembers the 0.8 candles in earth trial

[flat bone]

Basically from what I can tell there will be the same amount of candles to collect, but at the beginning of your run you have a wax booster so you gain more, as you run more it runs down to a normal wax ratio. Good for those who don’t have enough time to do a full candle run but still want some wax.

[sullen relic]

i thought that's sort of why they put a candle cake in the main cave, to move some of the wax from the trials (during the beta stages) into a more accessible place to collect

[valid terrace]

it’ll just create worse burnout honestly with not feeling the later parts of a CR are worth it and extortionate TSs though

[slim kayak]

i thought the candle cake was a recharge station for players who haven't finished fire yet

[tiny umbra]

I saw that candle cake as a “ok fine here” welcome basket for the prophecy guide

[ember oriole]

Candle running got really boring for me tbh, its so repetitive

[flat bone]

Not if you are going with friends, my darling

[ember oriole]

Funny of you to assume I have friends 🤧

[valid terrace]

anyway imma slepp

[flat bone]

It’s a personal preferences, some people may need it, some others choose to be alone and both are valid. The important thing is we are here to help the devs trough the test. That’s the goal

[lyric wadi]

Guys there is no call or stance in new season right?

[slim kayak]

nope. there is a friendship emote though

[spark lance]

helloooo, does anyone know what the season of dreams instrument is called?

[oak berry]

its called a pipa!

[spark lance]

thank you!!

[wind crypt]

Anyone wanna help me in Eden, too scared to go alone lol =v=

[oak berry]

try asking in #looking-for-group-live , youll get more answers there

[wind crypt]

TvT i need help for beta eden

[oak berry]

oh, have you tried in #beta-looking-for-group ?

[wind crypt]

Yeah I have, no one is there rn

@oak berry sorry to bother you again, but should I try the live sky chats to find beta Eden Uber?

[oak berry]

i suggest using the beta chat, live could work but im not sure how that would go

[wind crypt]

Ohh haha, do you know any Uber friends that play beta then?

[oak berry]

i dont know any beta eden ubers atm, sorry

[wind crypt]

Ooh its ok then ;v;

[desert token]

beta is a lot quieter than live. maybe someone will respond by tomorrow - there's basically no risk of your message being buried in tons of other requests

[slim kayak]

i think you pinged the wrong person ali was looking for an uber, not dragon

[spark lance]

Aaah, sorry

[light depot]

How many wl is in season of dreams?

Please ping me whenever someone replies

[final vapor]

Tgc is very funny that they actually cared if people feels stress collecting candles. Meanwhile in majority of other games they are like 'go grind or you get nothing'

[safe glade]

Guys did u notice that the ts is unlockable with the AP but also with candles/hearts? Do u agree?

[small swift]

Ideally you'll still get the same number of candles each day with the new system. It's just that you get some of those candles earlier than you normally would with the old system. The actual total stays the same, but the rate at which you get those candles changes. I can see why some people might find candle running for a longer period of time to be worthless since the candle rate decreases with each candle forged.

[mild salmon]

if you join beta does that mean you will also know the ts in advance?

[small swift]

normally the ts arrives at the same time as the one in live

[slim kayak]

take a look at #beta-faq to learn what to expect if you decide to become a beta tester!

[spark lance]

How are all of u beta peeps doing

[craggy karma]

Confirmed time for the release of the new daily light system?

[steady pond]

in live? not anytime soon lol. its been stated that this is Very Very Very early in development

[small swift]

I'm doing alright. A bit tired tho

[dapper ginkgo]

Well, if you want an answer from me,

iPad broke, my only access to Sky. For 24 hours. No phone. Had to call Apple Support. Anxiety inducing. Forced to factory reset iPad. Forgot Apple ID password. Had to call Apple Support again. Learned that I can change my password though the website. Have to wait until 8:30PM tomorrow to get the confirmation since everything don't happen right away. Hopefully I can get my Game Center along with it, since I have never done anything like this.

On the upside, I no longer have to worry about the 60+ GB of photos I have in there. I also remembered the password to my Nintendo account.

[fluid quail]

gave up on invisible to come to live so decided to collect for it in beta. madness

[drifting eagle]

i saw nobody pinged you about this like you had asked so here’s a ping! there are 5
sorry this is late i was just reading chat and saw nobody had pinged you yet

[low kindle]

opened my friend constellation to light people and...seems like none of my beta friends plays it anymore 👁️👁️

[sweet vortex]

Same lol out of 40 only 3 light me everday

[hollow compass]

That's a shame. I think I actually have more active friends in beta at the moment, than in Live.

As to the chevron system, I am undecided. It's nice to collect a lot of candles when just playing casually. But I also feel this slight twinge of stress seeing the chevron go RED and counting down. It feels much more final, somehow.

[drifting eagle]

you should bring that up in #beta-feedback! i feel the same honestly
as for inactive friends i’m afraid i’m a little guilty of that sometimes oops

[hollow compass]

I have been mulling over what to write about the chevron system, partly because I don't do full cr anymore and partly because I haven't had the time to test it much at all.

[low kindle]

i like the chevron system for now...i think is going to be useful when i dont have 2h to CR everything and still want some candles, i can skip like isle, vault, underground of forest and ark, besides another parts like that single plant all alone on battlefield

and wont feel like im losing a lot on that day

i just collect wax in wasteland now and i got so many candles there that i feel "full"

but...thinking about the days when i wanna do a full CR...places like isle and vault without my full chevron will feel really really grinding

[drifting eagle]

I agree it sometimes feels like it punished players for playing at length- which is a little counterintuitive if you want an active player base i think? But i’m not a game dev so i wouldn’t know exactly how itd work

[hollow compass]

I actually think they don't want people to play for hours on end, hence the new system.

[drifting eagle]

Yeah, that’s why I think I feel like it discourages people to play a lot. But some people enjoy playing a lot and for those people it isn’t necessary to discourage them from playing so much because they enjoy it. If that makes sense ? it’s 3 am and i can’t sleep haha

[hollow compass]

haha, it makes sense
I was just thinking back to how TGC worded themselves when the chevron system was announced, and it seemed like they wanted to lessen the time spent finding wax in favour of socialising with friends. I don't know.

[tender oasis]

On the other hand, players like me who has the cr and socializing combined won’t stay long enough, if they start alone so their friends have time to pop up whenever its good for them. I’m totally in the minority with this tho i guess.

[silent lily]

Yeah, by the end the Candle rate becomes painfully low. Which encourages player to stop farming, and most players will stop since they already have a lot of candles. This altogether will reduce the time they grind , which will be beneficial for Their own Health, and they can now spend more time goofing around.

[low kindle]

indeed, i love chatting and having fun with my friends while im CRing

[gleaming yacht]

after all, sky isn't only meant to be a cosmetic collecting game, but a social game, with fun activities for everyone

[silent lily]

True

[hollow compass]

I wonder if TGC thinks people are not socialising while cr-ing?

[drifting eagle]

I think socializing is heavily tied with CR though. I don’t do a ton of socializing outside of doing my CR with friends. The only time I socialize outside of CR honestly is if there is a new area, a new oob, or if I am playing music