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#beta-discussion
hollow compass
hollow compass
oooh
hidden quarry
bro i lowkey miss that
crisp plinth
I miss it ngl. I thought it was annoying at first but..
hidden quarry
was kinda useful 👀
hollow compass
it was heaven when that happened in Storm/Eden, because you could actually see where you were going
hidden quarry
lol
pulsar edge
Lol
crisp plinth
Maybe it was only annoying because I only got it when I didn't want it
hidden quarry
logs onto sky mmmm shiny
quick oriole
In wasteland I could actually see everything
Now it’s all black and green and I have to turn up brightness all the way
hidden quarry
i do that in eden
worn field
metallic glitch helped me get that one winged light in shipwreck
hidden quarry
wasteland i trust myself enough to rely on squinting 
and sound
hidden quarry
gn mini!
quick oriole
Lord, sometimes I read back and 🤮 cause it feels like I talk like a smart-alec sometimes 
vapid briar
i know that feel. My written communication is a lot more brusque than spoken >_>
pulsar edge
I personally feel like I’m better in writing because I don’t ramble on and on in my awful nasally voice
hollow compass
Nah, don't apologise for being to the point.
(I personally think that sometimes us women, and I'm assuming some of you are here, apologise way too much for just stating facts or even being a bit blunt at times. It's ok to not always be pleasant and accommodating.)
pulsar edge
Can confirm us men do this too
In my experience, people either are the type that apologize for everything or the type that don’t apologize at all. There isn’t much in between.
hollow compass
That is also true. I just meant that women in general are conditioned into being pleasant. But let's not delve into that too much here. Waaaay too OT. 
vivid glacier
that was a lengthy beta update
spark lance
Guys where to find cyan light?
empty inlet
isle
spark lance
Thank uu
quick oriole
@spark lance It looks like you only have the beta role, you should go back to #rules and react to the 🕯so you can gain access to the rest of the server 
spark lance
glossy sedge
hollow compass
Please, can we try to keep this channel clean of emoji “conversations”. 
spark lance
👌 gotcha
formal storm
Guys can i ask? Does anyone here knows the elderly room ?and it is only accessed in the vault end??
kindred fossil
its an oob area at the end of vault
kindred fossil
uh hm, hard to explain without visuals
kindred fossil
you can with other methods, piggyback is just the easiest and fastest way
spark lance
i am so bored i cant focus
icy falcon
I propose we refer to it as the "elderly room" from now on
hollow compass
Maybe I can live there, then. 👵
quaint onyx
Say, there been any changes with flick movement recently?
worn field
a little bit, ever since 0.9.2
spark lance
'Brand new accounts change from 5 to 3 candles'
I wonder why?
spark lance
It sounds stingy if this goes to live later for new players, if it is already implemented in live for a long time before.
hollow compass
I suppose. But maybe there is a reason?
spark lance
Probably
crisp plinth
Could do without the box tho
slim kayak
Hmm true
minor robin
I feel like changing from 5 to 3 is kinda a bummer. As a moth .... lol I spent white candles on a bench with no one there just cause I wanted to see what it would do and I didn’t know it was limited time chatting. Thought it would be nice to activate it for others
spark lance
Hehe, same idea mini
crisp plinth
The icon is on the office door as well so hopefully people will realize it's not the teal cape that they need
spark lance
Hand icon stars on the cape
minor robin
...this might be terribly blunt, but an even more effective way to reduce mix ups would be to put the store icon on upper right corner and tgc logo on the cape itself on the barrier gate
crisp plinth
alternatively just bring back the pretty green that teal used to be? 
worn field
nooo i love the teal like it is now 
minor robin
I like the teal cape as it is... tho it would be cool if they add in a new cape with that green you’re talking about 
taco bell girl.jpg “why not both?”
crisp plinth
ye i missed earth day and our green cape looks like puke when I'm not in gw XD I really want a nice dark green cape
spark lance
It is confusing for me when I used teal cape under some lighting sometimes. The color looks almost the same
lusty light
I think they don’t want the capes to stand out too much which is why they don’t have the logo on it
The beta cape is always bluer the the teal cape no matter the lighting
dire escarp
On the OOB removals, I've already added to beta feedback, but just want to gage how many people visit it (beta or live), the candles outside the valley temple, in the "old wasteland social" area, with no ground, but fun to fly around.
Anyone else enjoy flying around there and miss it now it is removed in beta?
minor robin
oh yeah def understandable, whoops tho... I should have been clearer. I meant the cape on the barrier.
dire escarp
@crisp plinth I love the look of the earth day cape in forest, especially when hitting clouds in the dark.
lusty light
@minor robin it is on the barrier
minor robin
aaa putting the store icon on upper right of it too
lusty light
Ohhh
minor robin
but that’s pretty on the nose
dire escarp
minor robin
yes but idk if people would feel offended about it
crisp plinth
so green arhhhh I wish I hadn't missed it
minor robin
also maelstrom: I super super miss the valley oob stuff 
I’ve left feedback on it. I’m not upset about the currency loss as I am about the loss of the fun challenge of getting them. I wouldn’t mind if they reduce the candle bundle number from 3 to 1.... I just want it back. I’d fly through them anyway 
empty river
they could put in literal words "you need this cape which you have to buy in the shop" and there's still going to be people asking "soo the one in forest right?"
worn field
they could have a message when you try to buy teal cape that says "no not this one, you want the founders cape"
crisp plinth
On the bright side people who were confused got a pretty cape out of it
minor robin
I’ve been going to valley oob as much as I can in live in case it is gone forever 
super fun game I like to play:
- use up all wedges till cape is empty
- fly through the floating fire and recharge cape till all wedges are restored
spark lance
Nooo, not candle 3 to 1..
minor robin
better than an empty space. I’m at the ‘bargaining’ stage of grief okay
I like the wasteland flush portal too. that element of danger is 
dire escarp
@minor robin my thought exactly, even if they gave 1 wax each, or just be "fragments of light" I would still go fly there, for the fun and challenge, which is why in my feed back I included an "even better would be" as a suggestion of an area with wax, possibly floating in gates similar to those in the start of the flying race.
@minor robin wow I hadn't even thought about that as a minigame, I'm definitely going to try that now, also flying through the home portal
minor robin
hmmm stadium does have the open air for it but the incoming players entering the map might cause people to split from groups, not fun if s group is trying to hang out and collect shards.
dire escarp
Maybe we need a 3rd "race" arena as a cloud coliseum
minor robin
lol... my friend used to help me get oob candles while I was still clumsy and she’d make a game of home portal, she’d fly thru it and people would get ported to home one by one 
another crazy challenge is to try to land on top of home portal.
dire escarp
Yes, we tried that once and made a table fort up there
hidden quarry
sounds like fun
minor robin
tbh the thing that gets me about the possible loss if valley oob candles... is that they’re a challenge to get and they really motivated me to be a better flyer and to work on my control. It’s helped me improve my flight when I’m inbounds and getting candle wax on regular runs.
I’d feel sad if new players lost this opportunity to git gud
dire escarp
Just put some of the photos in #beta-screenshots-videos
minor robin
da flush a bigger nemesis than krills lmao
dire escarp
The great toilet bowl in the Sky
spark lance
And reactivate that krill in the office's toilet bowl..
kindred fossil
on second thought i think the tgc logo wouldnt be recognizable without the square
itll look like a hand puppet without it
worn field
i think so too
kindred fossil
yeah the square better stay
pulsar edge
The reason starting candles has been reduced to three from five is probably to make it so you can’t do the thing where you make a bunch of moth accounts and have each send you a heart.
minor robin
ohhhhhhh dang that didn’t occur to me that people would resort to that. oof then totally understandable 
kindred fossil
oh i forgot about that, it even happened right in front of me once
random gull
I actually had a friend introduce me to their alt account they were taking on a candle run to gift themself daily hearts x.x I told them it was against the terms of service and they were shocked.
random gull
wait can you bring the capeless kids from eden into other realms??
worn field
ohhhhh i just realised i’ve seen that happen a million times and it never occured to me that was happening. i was so confused 
(someone making an alt moth account to give themselves heart, i mean)
empty river
and always remember children, multiple accounts are against tos 
random gull
I really only have a beta and a live account. I've accidentally logged out of my live before and had a meltdown that I was a moth XD
empty inlet
just roughly went through EULA / Terms of Service and found nothing about alt accounts tho
random gull
pretty sure that falls under the thing that covers mining game currency. most of the people I've run into with multiple accounts are using it to mine heart currency for themselves
pretty easy to get a lot of hearts by just making a LOT of friends though. I'm at like 40 hearts rn in live just from my friend constellation
empty inlet
nothing about mining game currency as well
empty river
i think it's in the code of conduct section
empty inlet
there's a code of conduct section?
oh saw it
For the protection of your progress and data we encourage you not to do this. We do not advise the creation of multiple Sky accounts for use by a single person. Doing this can cause errors on each of the accounts that may be difficult or impossible to fix by yourself or the TGC team.
so it's more like a suggestion not tos imo
random gull
They still reserve the right to delete your account if caught doing it. Trying to find the paragraph specifically that says that (I'm looking at the website not discord) but there's a paragraph that says the discretion is TGC's and they can delete your account even for reasons not explicitly outlined
empty inlet
yes i know that part
so they can wipe beta progress without falling into legal dispute
i'm not supporting that everyone can feel free to open up an alt and mine hearts tho. Just saying this is not explicitly against term of service, but should be not complying with the code of conduct, trying to clean up misinformation
random gull
code of conduct is part of the terms of service though
empty inlet
that's different from what i understand then
random gull
code of conduct is in the official webpage of the eula. also I asked ThatHelpBot about it
can't post pics here I forgot ^^
I'll just copy/paste instead of screenshot. "Hi there!
Yes, creating multiple accounts is against our Community Rules and Restrictions.
Using exploits, hacks, or third party tools to obtain an unfair advantage against other members of the Community in-Game."
hollow compass
Unfortunately, I think in any game where certain currency is hard to get without a lot of connections/friends, people will be creating alt accounts because they are impatient.
empty inlet
so yes, it's against the code of conduct
hollow compass
otoh, cosmetics don't really give you any advantage in this game
random gull
I don't think anyone's arguing whether people do it. we were concerned whether it was against TOS. I got confirmation 🙂
hollow compass
I know. I'm just thinking out loud why people do it.
empty inlet
there's no exploits, hacks, or third party tools involved in such kind of way to obtain unfair advantage
at least not necessary
random gull
uh yeah exploit would cover it actually
hollow compass
But really, "unfair advantage" is a bit vague in this respect, because as I said, you're not stronger because you have a certain cape.
empty inlet
bruh yeah, jenova said that
random gull
unfair advantage in this context probably just means getting it faster without making friends
empty inlet
well i think we're as far as we can go into those official statements
definition of exploit in laws or just in rules would be another whole new broad non-Sky topic
hidden quarry
wait a minute... can you ||ride mantas in orbit|| in live?
empty river
not fast enough 
no but fr, you gotta be fast and precise to catch a manta ride there
hidden quarry
bruhhhh
vale vault
Today I was in wasteland and I thought I saw another mushroom in the place with the one krill. I went back to check but I couldn’t find it because it was somewhere in the air.
It was odd
gilded ibex
In eden I walk and fall through he floor
spark lance
But really, "unfair advantage" is a bit vague in this respect, because as I said, you're not stronger because you have a certain cape.
@hollow compass
radiant drum
@silver torrent #beta-feedback is a channel to submit feedback/opinions about features being tested on the beta version of the game. if you have any questions, you can ask them here! for information on the frequency of beta invites, check the pinned messages in this channel
stoic badger
@spark lance Unless you have an 8-player party where everyone wears the beta cape and does the crab dance, as thats the only way to get into the mega super secret eden area, totz legit 👌👌👌👌👌👌👍👌👍
spark lance
Will do, if everyone is active.
quaint onyx
Yeah, anyone else notice the potholes of doom in Eden? Are they reaching a max vert count or something?
stoic badger
Potholes? And maybe, if only i could get my hands on their level editor 👀
If it’s what im remembering, I assume because the terrain system is (based on my assumptions) a mix of brush tools and boolean operations, where the brush controls naturally control elevation and shape and the boolean tools are used for hard surface cuts and things like steps.
In another game engine that has a similar tool (Godot Engine), the boolean system is designed to be fast because the booleans for all the things you’re cutting into the land have to be always adjustable and you need your level editor to be responsive, but it means you get accuracy issues like weird triangle issues and holes as the code that evaluates all the boolean operations missed a thing that was the result of a few specific objects being in certain shapes and positions and now oh no, triangle spaghetti.
stoic badger
Ive been meaning to watch this, thanks for the link
Oh damn they don’t actually do it in-engine, its through Maya. That sounds like a pain 💀
lusty light
Well they did make the engine from the ground up so I don’t think (heavy assumption) that there’s a program for it that can do the things others can do
stoic badger
I get why they made their own tool, I just had always assumed it’d be more convenient to do it in an engine rather than as a plugin to a modelling program
I have a very engine-first mindset as IO issues annoy the heck out of me (I have made a Blender plugin specifically to make batch model exporting fast and fuss-free)
Gotta say... the triangle spaghetti is a tiny bit... less forgiving... now that the plugin bakes the information rather than generates it on the fly...
stoic badger
Its still a very cool thing to see, its rare to see interesting non-photo realistic approaches to 3D art and I appreciate their dedication even if im not sure about all their choices
quaint onyx
Please say yes, please say yes
lusty light
The what
stoic badger
And nah, if anything Pixar’s USD format seems more poised to replace FBX
I havent checked in with that in a while, but as long as FBX dies thats all that matters
worn field
quaint onyx
Sky's running on Vulkan/Kronos, and they still use .fbx
stoic badger
@lusty light glTF is a 3D file format designed to replace a more awful one called FBX, which is a closed-source one Autodesk made that game engines ended up deciding would be the standard
lusty light
Closed source files are always bad
stoic badger
The format isn’t standardized well so both the modelling apps that export it and the engines that import it do it differently, and its a mess
Also that
Blender had to backdoor their way to an FBX solution
worn field
down with fbx 
stoic badger
yup
Pixar’s USD and glTF are both open standards with clear implementations, one of them will be the successor
quaint onyx
Hadn't even heard of USD
Thanks for that!
Now I have even more things to be confused about
stoic badger
USD is pretty cool, im pretty sure Unreal Engine 4 implemented it over GLTF which isn’t tooooo surprising, and Apple uses a modified but also open standard called USDZ for their platforms
USDZ models on iOS you can download and preview on your phone in AR, they’re pretty darn cool
quaint onyx
I knew Apple had to be involved in there somewhere
So, Sky is a game originally designed to run on iOS Metal, ported to run on Vulkan, using .fbx models...
stoic badger
I dunno if they’re exporting FBX models
But their pipeline is Maya > Game Engine
And i assume based on the talk they’re also placing functional elements like collectibles in Maya as the game engine just looks like a “viewer” for that content
Maya isn’t rendering the full scene though so you need to keep re-exporting and previewing the work you’ve done on the game engine to see where you’re at and what players will actually see.
tweak-export-tweak-export-tweak-export
quaint onyx
Not even so much, check out the image at 1:36:30.
That's all the models for Eden
stoic badger
kitbashiiiiing
quaint onyx
1:47:00 is their Maya layout
That's as far as I got
Before I just started ascribing things to magic
stoic badger
I watched a bit from what you linked me, ill check the rest out later
stoic badger
They really just built all their tools around Maya
Which scares me, I do not like Maya and 3DS Max 😂
frigid shadow
sorry for butting in randomly, but when the update said "Fixed clipping issue with Wizard hat when using Weasel mask", does it mean that the ears from the mask won't stick through the hat anymore? ;;
stoic badger
Weasel mask? o - o
worn field
<— this mask
stoic badger
Ah
I assume they would have adjusted the heights, but i cant test personally
It’d require more code, mesh information and weird exceptions to make a version of the mask thats sliced
So lets assume the easier option <w<
dire escarp
@frigid shadow ooh I hadn't tested that
lapis rapids
Aww but the ears sticking thru the hat are so cute
frigid shadow
yeee I have it in live and I want it to stay that way 😭
quaint onyx
They started development back in 2012-2013? It was Maya or nothing
dire escarp
Dev takes more time than anyone expects
gilded tree
frigid shadow
oh thank you!
gilded tree
frigid shadow
is that with the fix? 👀
gilded tree
yeah! reika tweaked the hat some so the cheek no longer peeks out of the hat!
dire escarp
Oh it was the hat in the cheek
stoic badger
nicenice
dire escarp
Yeah looks fixed to me tbh
gilded tree
thank @still adder for her hard work! 💛
frigid shadow
^ thank you reika for fixing the cheek part :> it looks even cuter now
dire escarp
BTW Ash, as an oob connoisseur you may know, has anyone else found the golden bridge in citadel before today?
gilded tree
pics? 👀
dire escarp
@gilded tree https://youtu.be/6DS75UVhI2Q
gilded tree
Thats the first time I've seen it!! Awesome find! I know where I'm going next oob adventure
still adder
misty hemlock
Oh! I saw your posts about the golden bridge earlier. I'm going to look for it next time I go to Valley 👀
misty hemlock
Hello! 
final lance
wew 
hidden quarry
am i supposed to be able to do the leg-draggy thing thats for more precise positioning?
worn field
you have to hold down you character for a second to do that, now
from #beta-announcements:
changes to stepping controls in two-handed mode: you can now long press on your character and slide your finger
hidden quarry
oh, thank you!
worn field
spark lance
!betafaq
gilded parrotBOT
To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the 
in #rules to be notified of important updates.
This command is for informational purposes only and not a replacement for beta slot alerts.
spark lance
!betalive
gilded parrotBOT
Beta and Live versions of Sky are completely separate apps. Progress/purchases in one have no effect on progress/purchases in another.
hollow compass
What are you doing @spark lance ? Is it for someone else?
blazing sail
Do you no longer take damage in the ice tunnel?
Wait can you also tweak the hat so it looks better with the deer mask? 😬
That fox mask is getting special treatment 😛
cloud iris
How can you register for the beta?
gilded parrotBOT
The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment, @cloud iris. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #rules to be notified of important updates.
cloud iris
Okk
somber venture
oh yeah-
purple light's almost here, right?
well, not sure if the next one's gonna be purple but I have a hunch
worn field
a few more days to go until the next light quest
worn field
i got a table early on so i could glitch into places, but i haven't bothered with it in months
somber venture
worn field
most of the time i don't need to get through multiplayer doors to test new features,
and when i do, there's usually other players around to open the doors with
somber venture
i see
still fun and convinient tho
ugh, how come i always make a typo of that word
convenient*
stoic badger
btw @quaint onyx as a quick aside, you could probably recreate Sky’s terrain techniques using Metaballs in Blender, its essentially the same technique
somber venture
Hey uh
I've been playing for a while now but
how come I haven't seen any other Skiddos around yet?
It's starting to make me feel really lonely and sad
worn field
that's the way of beta. there's very few beta players (compared to the live game), and many of us don't play beta much, since it takes a lot of energy to play both games, and since most of our friends aren't in beta anyway
if you need a break, don't hesitate to take one 
somber venture
Yeah, it's understandable
spark lance
belpita, yes. Apparently there is someone DM asking about beta member role and ask the difference about it so I triggered those commands to explain it.
hollow compass
CatsEye, ok that sounds annoying. Thanks!
valid latch
gilded parrotBOT
To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #rules to be notified of important updates.
This command is for informational purposes only and not a replacement for beta slot alerts.
spark lance
!betalive
gilded parrotBOT
Beta and Live versions of Sky are completely separate apps. Progress/purchases in one have no effect on progress/purchases in another.
tender creek
what is the office that i keep on seeing people mention? i assume it is something to do with the beta version?
hidden quarry
it exists in both beta and live
hollow compass
The office is a replica of TGC’s office and is accessible if you are wearing the beta/Founder’s cape or accompanying someone who is. It’s mainly a giant Easter egg location.
crisp plinth
https://youtu.be/6DS75UVhI2Q
Here prism
edgy canopy
Ok thank
limber bone
lusty light
Yes and they’ve been saying they would since they got discovered because they were never supposed to make it in game
hoary meadow
huh, they were fun
slim kayak
!betafaq
gilded parrotBOT
To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #rules to be notified of important updates.
This command is for informational purposes only and not a replacement for beta slot alerts.
merry ibex
where can i download
slim kayak
Whenever tgc opens slots for beta, there'll be a link that signs you up
But there aren't any open slots right now
crisp plinth
If you're on iOS, you can prepare by downloading Testflight
merry ibex
i want to play help me
crisp plinth
You can't play until TGC opens it up. We don't know when that will be
merry ibex
i'm on android
slim kayak
The live version is released for both ios and android!
crisp plinth
And even then it's first come first serve, so you need to be fast to get it
merry ibex
i want to play beta
crisp plinth
You'll have to wait
slim kayak
You'll have to wait for a wave
merry ibex
how long😅
slim kayak
We don't know
merry ibex
😫
slim kayak
Slots open whenever the devs need more players
merry ibex
i think i will never play this game
crisp plinth
If it makes you feel any better, beta is just like live right now except we have more bugs
lusty light
The game is already out
slim kayak
The live version is out, if you want to play
merry ibex
i want to play beta
lusty light
There is no need to be on beta, it’s very unstable and you don’t keep anything you unlock
merry ibex
beta is newer
livid ice
No
lusty light
Beta is not early access
livid ice
Beta is a phase of testing to add things on live
lusty light
The devs can and will wipe any progress you make in beta at any time
slim kayak
There is also the chance for a data wipe, so nothing you do is permanent
livid ice
What is the point though?
Beta is only for testing
If they don’t need new testers they won’t simply add you because you wanna get in
The game is live ,you can enjoy it if you wish to download it
slim kayak
Its so much more fun in live! Not as empty as it is in beta
livid ice
Exactly
crisp plinth
To reiterate, beta isn't early access. Content in beta is subject to change before it goes live.
livid ice
You can’t do things in beta like you do in live
empty river
besides beta is full atm, not much you can do about that
livid ice
And beta could get wiped out
Then when it does you’ll get mad
You’d just waste your time because we are seeing you don’t really wanna test it
You just wanna see things first than anyone
merry ibex
what is atm giccix
livid ice
At this moment
lusty light
There are features specifically cut out of beta because the devs don’t want people to treat beta as an alternative to live
merry ibex
anyway thank you, i'm sleepy good night all
crisp plinth
Good night 
slim kayak
Good night!
silver torrent
Beta and Live versions of Sky are completely separate apps. Progress/purchases in one have no effect on progress/purchases in another.
@gilded parrot so does that mean I have to get a sky app just for the beta version?
Then how do I do that?
spark lance
!betafaq
gilded parrotBOT
To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #rules to be notified of important updates.
This command is for informational purposes only and not a replacement for beta slot alerts.
lament mica
Beta Sky and live Sky are both down 😢
spark lance
good afternoon to inform you that there is a problem with the server the operating system IOS IS NOT LETTING ENTER THE GAME PLEASE someone who provides us with a prompt solution
spark lance
Beta Sky and live Sky are both down 😢
@lament mica
At least not Android. Android works perfectly fine
green fossil
I think iOS in general is messed up, I can’t get onto a select few games
idle current
Maybe some web API screwed up, helpshift? Facebook?
lament mica
I don’t know what helpshift is... People on Facebook seem to be reporting the same thing.
blazing sail
I’m only having issues with Sky
idle current
Help shift is the interface TGC utilized for support/patch notes
lusty light
lament mica
Could it be GameCentre? Anyone on iOS who hasn’t synched with GameCentre that could try to open it?
idle current
Good call, let me check...
lament mica
drum roll
idle current
*** Terminating app due to uncaught exception 'NSInvalidArgumentException', reason: '-[__NSCFBoolean objectForKeyedSubscript:]: unrecognized selector sent to instance 0x1f6de3d98'
livid ice
Not only sky
idle current
lol
livid ice
A lot of apps are down
Including spotify >_<
AWS is having issues
A lot of them
Being reported
Amazon web services ^
idle current
AWS shouldn’t crash it...
It probably can’t find server or something but shouldn’t crash it...
idle current
Yep, that’s a crash. I have crash report generated on my phone every time...
livid ice
Servers are not connected so apps just won’t open up
While you’re inside
The game
This is different
First time it just won’t open up
spark lance
*** Terminating app due to uncaught exception 'NSInvalidArgumentException', reason: '-[__NSCFBoolean objectForKeyedSubscript:]: unrecognized selector sent to instance 0x1f6de3d98'
@idle current
Yikes
Oh pheeew, I’m glad it’s not just me
green fossil
I believe it was AWS, they just went back online
lusty light
It was Facebook all along
blazing sail
So what was it?
finite pumice
So i’m seeing in other channels that Facebook has an issue that causes apps that use their SDK to crash. Why Sky might be using a FB SDK I’m a bit puzzled. Is sky collecting data for FB? 😧
lusty light
There is a link to the sky Facebook page when you open the game
idle current
The thing I’m surprised is there isn’t an exception handler to catch such issue and just ignore it...
Since obviously this not something gonna affect game functionality so it could just get throw away...
quartz drift
How do I join the beta?
gilded parrotBOT
The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment, @quartz drift. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #rules to be notified of important updates.
spark lance
Try add a condition in that breakpoint to catch it when it throws.
vale shale
don't know if this is usually the case, but when i went to go grab the bow and backflip spirits in the flying race yesterday, only the backflip statue showed up for me? came back today and got bow but it seems odd that i was only able to light one statue the first time?
vapid briar
We use Facebook ads. In order to track if clicking on a Facebook ad results in a potential player downloading the game, it requires use of the Facebook SDK. From there, we can determine if our ads are successful or if that marketing money could be better spent elsewhere.
spark lance
don't know if this is usually the case, but when i went to go grab the bow and backflip spirits in the flying race yesterday, only the backflip statue showed up for me? came back today and got bow but it seems odd that i was only able to light one statue the first time?
@vale shale
Submit a bug report
quaint onyx
@vale shale Were there other people in the race the first time? Also, was this in live?
vale shale
beta
sand spade
Now when i make sound cant see others cross sign,cant see their location,is that an update?
vale shale
i can't remember if there was anyone? i'll submit a bug report, thanks 👍
vapid briar
bug report with any video/screenshots would be useful, we've had reports of those spirits being weird, but haven't been able to reproduce the bug described, or what was described as a bug was working as intended.
we changed it so you can no longer auto-follow someone you are not friends with, but i don't believe the icons were removed, can double check with the design team though.
quaint onyx
Only one person can collect each spirit per race
First come, first serve
Didn't know if feature or bug
hidden quarry
??
spark lance
Huh? You sure?
quaint onyx
I mean, it is still a race after all
hidden quarry
dont think it works like that...
spark lance
I played in Live it doesn't even work like that.
quaint onyx
Flying right behind another moth on live, both didn't have bow, he flew into the orb, collected it, I could no longer
Think its only one instance of the "orb" is allowed
Like how the stay in the circle spirits work
BTW, I got to the other one before him. Ha!
spark lance
Ohhhh, I seems to understand what you are talking about now
Like collecting fragments
First come first serve
hidden quarry
lol, spirits and fragments are different
spark lance
But i never knew spirits are like that too
quaint onyx
Sort of, more like the circle quest. If someone else is currently doing it, you can't start up a second one before the first group completes
hidden quarry
hmmmmmmmm
spark lance
Yeah something like that
hidden quarry
i mean beta servers are empty enough... i dont usually race with anyone
spark lance
Try two person without holding hands.
if there is a baby moth here, might have snatch him over for the test
vapid briar
the carryball spirit quests are meant to be joined/done as a group. i don't believe the intent of the race spirits is for the first person to collect it gets it, rendering anyone else from collecting it without redoing the race, but i'll forward that detail over to QA to see if they've tried testing for that and to design if it's intentional.
quaint onyx
Maybe bigger fish to fry
Seems like a clever re-purposing of spirit code for a single ( I guess three actually ) unique spirit
I mean, It is still a race
finite pumice
I mean, It is still a race
@quaint onyx It's not really a race anymore. https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/618891214527266846/707840496042508289
rare birch
Has the green light been released in beta?
worn field
yes
kindred fossil
eons ago
digital marsh
yeah
vernal jay
one of the notes will turn small then there will be a delay
solemn mesa
Hoping tgc give out beta access again and hoping the vertical mode can be updated to live
kindred fossil
- beta isnt early access
- they will... when theyre in need for more testers, its unknown when
- portrait mode is still in its first stages
blazing sail
Man the Ark really needs its own portal. I join friends hoping they’re there so I can avoid the boat trip
somber venture
WIAT WHAT
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GET ALL IN APP PURCHASES FOR FREE IN BETAWHI HUWHOHWIWJ
well uh
that was truly unexpected
kindred fossil
yep yep
somber venture
OwO
arctic pecan
all of the iap in beta are for free
somber venture
I guess it helps the testing a lot!
kindred fossil
keep in mind that they can wipe progress anytime & nothing transfers over to live
somber venture
mhm, I know
kindred fossil
owo
arctic pecan
_for testing purposes of course _!
somber venture
dark, you're treating me like a spoiled child who only plays beta for the free stuff
and I do not appreciate that
however, I DIo apprentice your answer
do*
now, if only i could get someone to help me open these doors
kindred fossil
ah well, a lot come in here asking for beta access just for the free items
i can help
kindred fossil
🏎️
somber venture
atomic trail
@pearl quest #707371400574402611 here is channel to post photo
quick oriole
You don’t have the child of light role. Go back to #rules and react to the 🕯to get access to the rest of the server
pearl quest
@atomic trail where should i post it?sorry i'm just a new user of discord.
atomic trail
ah, you right skycat…
quick oriole
@pearl quest You currently won’t have access to that channel because you haven’t reacted to the 🕯️ in #rules
pearl quest
woah! thanks a lot ❤️
spark lance
one of the notes will turn small then there will be a delay
@vernal jay
The notes are not pressable when the game lags with 2 and more people around you. Try submit a bug report.
severe ledge
do you know how to have a beta cape?
spark lance
severe ledge
someone?
spark lance
Have a friend with the founders cape to bring you there if you are in live.
lusty light
The beta cape is not obtainable anymore and it won’t be obtainable in the future
worn field
that is hacked content
please don't discuss it here
i'm not saying you shouldn't have asked
modest ermine
Hello
kindred fossil
hi
sand dawn
I’ve seen this before.. somehow people end up here before gaining access to the normal (non-beta) channels..
Perhaps it would be good to make it so that the way to gain access to this channel first requires access to the normal channel..?
pulsar edge
What happens is people assume that the beta member is a “higher rank” and so they figure that that’ll grant access to all the regular ones plus the beta ones
lusty light
What happens is that discord is broken and people only see the blue cape react
lusty light
Most of the time when I go to the rules channel I only see the blue cape react, it’s a discord issue
quick oriole
Strange, it’s the opposite for me where only the child of light role shows. In fact it’s even happening at this very moment
empty river
it's different for everyone, I don't see the candle either
chrome mortar
Wait is beta different from Children of Light?
chrome mortar
Ooooh
minor robin
since android released globally for live, beta has been extremely quiet, it’s a ghost town in here. mostly people log on to test stuff and go. also progress can be wiped at anytime, so most people try not to get too attached to the cosmetics and progress they have in beta
chrome mortar
Ah
minor robin
live is where the grass is greenest
pulsar edge
I never see only the cape, most of the time I see only the candle at exactly 4999 every time
sand dawn
I only see the candle at 19999 
hollow wind
median oyster
cricket sounds
crisp plinth
spark lance
可否中文
@hollow wind
请用英文 （please use English）
worn field
yes
vale shale
next light coming in 3 days
worn field
nope
going oob is ok, as long as you don't somehow use an oob to do something else that actually is bad
vale shale
it likely won't hurt to ask about it, what did you find?
slim kayak
I thought they patched that?
worn field
was this in beta? or in the regular game
was it the juggle spirit 
i think i know which oob you're talking about
yep
that's been fixed in beta already, so it'll probably be fixed in the next update to the regular game
it is a little suspicious tbh
slim kayak
What are your guys' experience with overheating? Like, beta vs live
I'm finding that in live, my phone overheats way faster than in beta
solemn gust
My phone overheats too
vale shale
i find that it's the other way around, but live gets pretty intense sometimes like when there's a ton of players nearby
slim kayak
Hmm that might be it then
I can usually go through a few realms in beta before it gets uncomfortable
But in live my phone overheats after 1
Frame rate is also worse in live, but I'm guessing that has to do with the amount of players
glossy rain
@slim kayak is that with the lowest graphical setting
spark lance
What are your guys' experience with overheating? Like, beta vs live
@slim kayak
I did submit a bug report about this long ago. Try open the game and afk for 1 hour. It becomes a cooking pan for your fingers 
hidden quarry
beta overheats my phone so fast
hollow jolt
hollow compass
I'm sorry?
kindred fossil
the reactions
worn field
you know how the reactions are broken? it gets stuck displaying a number like 19999 reactions or something
not related to beta ofc, dw
hollow compass
right
I know I'm a bit boring with this whole "keep it on topic, please", but there is a reason we have channels with different topics.
worn field
i feel the same frustration 
i just don't always have the energy to try explaining it to newer server members
odd depot
Does anyone know how much the no-cape cosmetic is?
worn field
999 hearts
hardy dome
Okay, a simple question but it's really bothering me with the portrait feature in beta. how do you change it back? it's really annoying when it suddenly decides to do portrait view when i was flying
thank you in advance
worn field
it’s based on how you rotate your device, that’s all (afaik)
you can disallow portrait mode completely in the main menu if you like, as well
hardy dome
you can disallow portrait mode completely in the main menu if you like, as well
@worn field can you show me how please? thank you so much
worn field
i put a screenshot showing the setting in #beta-screenshots-videos
gilded parrotBOT
Content from the beta is considered a spoiler and shouldn’t be posted in this channel. To ask or post about it, scroll down to the beta-related channels like #beta-discussion and #beta-screenshots-videos. Thank you!
pulsar edge
Okay thanks Skybot
worn field
!omgomghaveyouseenthe
gilded parrotBOT
Conversations, pics, and videos about the beta are spoilers 
Please keep them in #beta-discussion or #beta-screenshots-videos.
pulsar edge
Wait, they brought that back?
gilded parrotBOT
The next spirit wasn’t tested in beta so we don’t know what it is yet 
Check #news for announcements and save up your candles!
pulsar edge
It was gone during rhythm iirc
More tests, if I may
!hardquestishard
Okay that doesn’t work anymore
!giftpass
gilded parrotBOT
Gift passes will be giftable once the season starts!
pulsar edge
Okay that still works
pulsar edge
Another test. I know !crossplay is a thing, but someone tells me that !istherecrossplay also works
!istherecrossplay
gilded parrotBOT
lusty light
This isn’t bot spam
hardy dome
i put a screenshot showing the setting in #beta-screenshots-videos
@worn field thank you very much!
worn field
no problem! 
hardy dome
no problem!
@worn field
lusty crag
Wait what is gift pass?
kindred fossil
a seasonal pass that you gift to your friends
lusty crag
Oh thx
new emoji!
quick oriole
*when you have no leg day
worn field
skykids always fly, neglect their legs
vapid briar
who needs leg day when you can fly!
brazen flicker
@worn field sorry for the ping, just wanted to say hi and I hope you have a lovely weekend! 
worn field
you too!!
vale shale
are the mushrooms being removed in the upcoming 0.9.2 live patch?
kindred fossil
yes
vapid briar
correct, they were never meant to make it into the live build.
kindred fossil
stonk'nt 📉
analog citrus
are the beta patch notes no longer getting updated here : https://thatgamecompany.helpshift.com/a/sky-beta/?l=en&s=patch-notes Looks like its been quiet since January
spark lance
analog citrus
yeah... but for non discord users? Looks like the Live patch notes are still being updated https://thatgamecompany.helpshift.com/a/sky-children-of-the-light/?s=patch-notes
lusty light
Most of not all beta testers are in this discord, since the link to join beta is only shared here
spark lance
I better get moving in the game
slim kayak
Does anyone know why past seasonal 'carry quest' spirits are reappearing?
spark lance
It is?
vapid briar
things change so much during beta, publishing preemptive patch notes was causing more problems than it resolved.
slim kayak
Just for a few seconds
quick oriole
The reappearing carry spirits have been a bug for a very long time. It’s probably not been fixed yet cause it’s not extremely important, just causes a bit of confusion
slim kayak
Oh really? I've only just noticed them
worn field
apparently it's been 'fixed' a couple times but it's one of those bugs that keep coming back
vapid briar
they have always reappeared if you step over the right spot, as more seasons come out and more seasonal spirits are available, the more often their quests get trigged accidentally. It's a known bug that we've "fixed" a couple times, but keeps reoccurring.
quick oriole
They’re more noticeable now cause more seasons have come and gone, so more carry spirits have made the rounds
After enchantment ends new moths are gonna be like “Wot are these things around the ark? There are 5???”
hidden quarry
hahha, i like to carry them to see where they go 
most of the times they just disappear after a while
kindred fossil
im glad this bug exists sometimes because i get to see sparkler spirit for a few seconds
hidden quarry
i see kiss spirit the most
kindred fossil
hes still stuck in the forest sewers
hybrid wedge
Although if you meant to post this in the beta chat, and if you're playing the beta, everything in beta is free, so you don't need to beg one from someone else
Sometimes people do giveaways in #promote-your-sky-content, so you may be able to take part in one of those if someone posts it there
blazing sail
Oh dang new ark quest in just a few days
compact stratus
Ooo
final gulch
When is the upcoming 0.9.2 live patch?
spark lance
Wait for news
quick oriole
Why do people keep asking when new updates come at all? I don’t know any game company or developer that’s like “Next update arrives April 12 (:” I’ve never had that happen for anything I’ve ever played, but maybe that’s just me 😐
worn field
no harm in asking, i suppose
lusty light
Developers do do that but if the staff is not saying a specific date that means there is no specific date
quick oriole
Ah
quaint onyx
Also it the first real Droid update. People with incompatible phones thinking it will magically make their phone run more good. 
Speak of the devil
It here
worn field
quaint onyx
It is broken on GPlay, or Gplay is compiling it currently
vale shale
play store says there's a (live) update but the details seem incorrect
quaint onyx
Lets just wait and see how this plays out
vale shale
wouldn't expect it to take any longer than half an hour
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tgc.sky.android is fairly reliable for checking the current live version on google's play store if anyone else is interested
vale shale
that aged poorly
quaint onyx
It google wide, have 2 other apps that pushed updates doing the same
kindred fossil
beta updoot
man, the stop testing button is so dangerously close to the home button, scary
vale vault
Update! :3 Just got the notification.
austere merlin
Ah nice! Y’all have fun!
worn field
the seasonal spirits have names now
is "Enchantment Carpenter"
questgiver is "enchantment guide"
is scout
is explorer
is herbalist
is farmer
nod is muralist
oh all the spirits have names
even regular ones, i mean
is called the "Force Scholar"
quick oriole
Where is my “pot specialist”?
vapid drum
Nice , its not a ‘call’ anymore but they are speakers
worn field
oh no, 
is called butterfly farmer
that gives them a bit of a different look
vale shale
spirit names seem to be the same regardless of language
worn field
i guess this is might be staying in beta for while
i wonder if they want feedback on the names
hybrid wedge
oh no,
That certainly makes friendly ol' Butterfly Dad and his friends a bit more ominous
worn field
lusty light
He’s stuffing the butterflies into the jars!!!!! Jail time
vapid drum
Don’t know if it was fixed in earlier build , but I’m happy that the speed and sliding at the bell towers while burning the dark plants , is fixed
quick oriole
When you look at the names for each constellation they have a different feel, almost like they’re detailing the progression of this society rather than different realms. Isle has a the theme of guiding and new discovery. Prairie is building up different parts of the new society. Forest is exploring for more areas to expand into. Valley is this society at its cultural golden age. Wasteland is the disaster that hits. Vault is those recording the disaster and what’s left of this people. I know those have already kinda already been established but these names almost make it feel less like different realms and more detailing time periods of one place. I could be looking too much into it, but it’s interesting. This isn’t the lore channel tho
empty inlet
SkyLoreXiv
worn field
i think #lore-discussion-spoilers will definitely have many thoughts about all this if/when this hits live
kindred fossil
some of those names feel oddly specific
"backflip champion" watch out, hes very good at backflipping
quick oriole
I think it’s more just a champion of whatever sport that’s backflipping at you
kindred fossil
yeah i know
quick oriole
Imagine if it really was he’s just a backflip champion
lusty light
No he’s the absolute best at backflipping don’t you forget it
quick oriole
Like ooo
worn field
he has that flip down to a science
quick oriole
Twins are fighters? Lame. Backflipping is where the skillz at
worn field
the peak of culture in the sky kingdom
kindred fossil
oooh i can rotate from portrait mode to landscape whenever , before the update it would get stuck and had to restart everytime
worn field
yay!
that's strange tho, i didn't have that problem
i guess it was only working for some devices
i wonder if the elders get names too, in orbit. i guess they're just called "isle of dawn elder", etc, tho
quick oriole
That’s a very good question but I’m too lazy to do Eden more than a couple times in beta
vapid briar
if forest elder isn't Rainy Aunt, i'm rioting
worn field
henlo Ktjn
vapid briar
henlo 
worn field
you first
lunar zealot
Guessing Ktjn wants to do Eden first, report back your findings 
hybrid wedge
I kinda hope the names don't make it to live. They're nice as trivia, but it also narrows the range of interpretations you can have for what's happened in the Sky world
vapid briar
i could....but lazy...and it's my day off
left sparrow
And Eden eats your time
lunar zealot
Enjoy your day off!
left sparrow
It’s soo long
worn field
yes Ktjn enjoy!
vapid briar
i certainly will!
spark lance
Hello, i now can see download on beta sky, this mean am able to test on beta ?
quick oriole
Were you going through an old invite link and it says you can download now?
vapid drum
The elders haven’t been named in eden 😑
kindred fossil
they havent been named, but i caught a bug, i was reborn twice
vapid drum
Oh , let me see if that happens to me too
worn field
i was reborn once
kindred fossil
:think:
worn field
wdym twice? like after you fell to home the credits restarted?
vapid drum
Only once , but the home was lit like hell
kindred fossil
fell home, then it told to use the return shrine to continue my ascent
worn field
:think:
blazing sail
Wait there are spirit names?
kindred fossil
yep yep
worn field
yep yep yep
blazing sail
Where? What? How?
kindred fossil
check your constellations!
blazing sail
Whoa!
quick oriole
Ye
blazing sail
Official names
quick oriole
There’s quite a few screenshots posted
hidden quarry
awwww the names are so cute
blazing sail
Pointing Guide 😂
kindred fossil
he loves pointing
hidden quarry
"Embarassed Explorer"
blazing sail
Rejecting Guide! Omg
quick oriole
“Rejecting guide”
blazing sail
I’m dying
quick oriole
“Go away I don’t want to lead you”
hidden quarry
what is the name of the raised candle?
kindred fossil
ceremony attendant
hidden quarry
awwwww clumsy explorer
worn field
is hide'n'seek hunter
hidden quarry
the cleaner of the prarie bells that waves hahaha
blazing sail
This is too funny
kindred fossil
yeah... some of those names could use improvement
blazing sail
Ok but now we need the seasonal constellations so we can see what the Don’t Go spirit is called
kindred fossil
"clumsy father"
blazing sail
At least I can stop making up names for my guides 😂
worn field
going off the enchantment spirit names, i'm guessing "Belonging Father"
blazing sail
Handstanding Climber?
kindred fossil
he climbs while handstanding
worn field
he is a climber and his emote is handstand
blazing sail
Fearful Survivor sounds bleak
worn field
they climb the citadel
hidden quarry
how are they survivors if theyre all ... spirits... 🗿
kindred fossil
lived long enough to survive
hidden quarry
seems like it lol
blazing sail
It’s gratifying knowing I was right calling it “Sneak Stance” all this time.
worn field
i'm sure people will argue over the names anyway
blazing sail
I was never really sure if that was right
hidden quarry
spirit speaker
hmmm so the calls mean you can talk to the being theyre named after 👀
blazing sail
I miss Meditating Scholar’s hat 😦
worn field
they'll possibly end up translating differently in different languages too, which could lead to disagreements on what the different spirits/emotes mean
hidden quarry
hmmmm
worn field
hats are so last year
hidden quarry
and as nagati said not as much room for speculation
blazing sail
Force Scholar? As in May the force be with you?
worn field
hidden quarry
forceful scholar
blazing sail
That was fun
timber ridge
I miss the krill rider and the moth zapper.
blazing sail
Gonna go shower and maybe go to bed reaaaaaaally early so I can function better tomorrow
timber ridge
I don´t need your presence. I´m already listening to your complaints on YT.
crimson lantern
does anybody still play beta? :o everywhere i go it's empty HAHAH
blazing sail
😂
minor robin
I only play it if there is an update. Live is already a lot to handle
empty river
Welcome to beta, population: way less than the live version
minor robin
Every time there is an update I head to valley oob to check if the floating candles and fire pit have been restored...so far nada 
pearl roost
Hi there! I used to play sky beta on my Mac, but I had to sold it, now I have a new one and can’t find where to download the game again. Can anyone help how can I get the beta again? 😔 also if there is any way to test it in Nintendo switch I really like to participate in beta testing 😊
lusty light
The Mac beta has been put on hold for almost a year now, there’s no way to join it anymore
And Nintendo switch won’t have a beta due to Nintendo not having a beta program
dire escarp
Wooh beta update!
Anyone got any theories on the next light for Monday?
My guess is Orange will be next, and it will light more fires, possibly more rays of sunlight into the Ark area.
And that leaves the mysterious Purple light, which I'm theorizing, as its from vault and looks like a diamond, maybe some telekinesis style stuff to raise a spiritual ark for the spirits to sail off on.
finite pumice
I'm with @hybrid wedge; I hope these names don't make it to live. The few I've seen feel cheesy and (for me) take away from the mystery and way people might choose to interpret the emotes. Seems like something for little kids rather than everyone.
quick oriole
They haven’t been in beta since 2 patches ago
quick oriole
Actually might be 3 tbh
Yes, they weren’t supposed to make it to live, and from the way Ktjn has described them, it sounds like they weren’t even supposed to make it into beta tbh
rapid salmon
Yeah I feel like they were a scrapped idea, and instead of deleting, they moved them out to corners of map
olive steppe
Every time there is an update I head to valley oob to check if the floating candles and fire pit have been restored...so far nada
@minor robin When you want to keep track of changes in games that receive regular updates|hotfixes, always check patch notes. will save you a lot of time and frustration.
Especially useful to save you some time is to read them while the game itself is downloading it.
quick oriole
They basically stopped making patch notes for beta tho
olive steppe
That... sounds odd
Nearly all live service games, if not all, post patch notes for each update
quick oriole
That’s usually for live updates, not beta ones
olive steppe
Technically Beta games should need it even more...
I'm not sure why would anyone want to stop doing it...
quick oriole
Beta patch notes are kinda pointless because so much can change with each patch. They could make a list of changes, only for a small patch to change or tweak most of the things mentioned in the previous patch notes
olive steppe
But... that's the entire point of having them in the first place
quick oriole
It’s not worth the effort, and especially not when TGC doesn’t have a ton of workers to constantly be on top of everything
olive steppe
To keep track of what's changed already or not
dire escarp
So what's been found so far:
Spirit names
Changed spell icons for resize and anti gravity
I may run Eden to see if the elders have names too
olive steppe
"Not worth the effort" makes no sense for a live service game.
It's like digging your own grave. the bigger Sky gets, the worse it'll be to stay on track of changes after
quick oriole
this is not the live game
They release patch notes for the live game each update, just not beta
quick oriole
Ah tru
Still though, beta patch notes can be important, but for a small company writing them out for every small patch can take time away from doing other important things. It’s not digging your own grave, we’ve been fine since January.
olive steppe
And you'll be fine for years still
Until Sky becomes actually big
I mean, it's no doomsday, but it's still kind of a big flaw to not keep track of them from early on
lusty light
tgc still publishes notes in #beta-announcements, ktjn said that doing full patch notes for beta at helpshift was hurting them in the long run
quick oriole
Completely forgot about that channel for a sec
vale shale
at that point i'd imagine tgc will have the resources to support consistent beta patch notes, but it's not a pressing issue at the moment compared to some of the other things the team's working on
olive steppe
@lusty light Interesting. thanks for the information
Still makes no sense to me, but it's their game.
lusty light
when things in beta change very rapidly, having the patch notes at helpshift immediately become outdated, and they already don't announce changes for every update
olive steppe
Hm
lusty light
theres points where the game updates multiple times a day
olive steppe
Yeah that's a bit more logical I guess
Sounds kinda crazy to think about, but if it's so... then I guess that's it
@vale shale That sounds... very upside-down in terms of workflow
But oh well... * Shrug *
vale shale
it's something ktjn has mentioned in the past
olive steppe
Interesting
quick oriole
I get what you’re saying though about when the game becomes larger. If the beta program (and game itself) was much larger then yeah it’d be confusing as to why they aren’t letting a ton of people know what changes are being made. For the moment though, I think there’s around 20,000 beta testers? It’s not a huge amount of people you need to give constant full-length updates to
olive steppe
Hmmm
lusty light
plus i think having beta changes be posted here only will help prevent confusion because people spread beta patchnotes around expecting all of those things to go live when it's not the case
olive steppe
That's... their own fault though
The company is not responsible for the community's mistakes and definitely shouldn't have to respond for them... sans for some serious miscommunications or edge-case scenarios
vapid drum
Maelstrom , you’ve actually unlocked all spirits in beta ??😱
chilly wigeon
I noticed they named all the spirits
quick oriole
Ye
I love how the crab walk is called “Enchantment scout” cause it makes me imagine them scouting the area only to try and blend in with the crabs when they got near them. It’s like the irl version of trying to blend in with cows by crawling on all fours and going “Moo” every few minutes
vapid briar
We're a tiny indie dev team. There are more important tasks for me to work on than write multiple versions of full patch notes during the iteration process. I've tried in the past and it led to a lot of misinformation after features changed by the time they went live. Sweeping changes are logged in #beta-announcements
Things like the invisible cape that never went live, and is still constantly asked about many months later is a prime example.
chilly wigeon
We finally get the next light on Monday after waiting a long time
dire escarp
@vapid drum yeah I've been fully ascended in beta for a while
I'm only stuck at getting the forest elder again due to invisible cape, but I unlocked the hair first, so I'm happy about that, but can't get a screenshot of me chilling with all the elders...
But I will!
minor robin
@minor robin When you want to keep track of changes in games that receive regular updates|hotfixes, always check patch notes. will save you a lot of time and frustration.
@olive steppe
As others have said, the beta patch notes aren't updated as often. I know I could wait for them but this oob is something I personally really enjoy and will miss if it is gone from live. I don't mind doing a speed run thru valley to check on it myself. I'd rather do independent confirmation than bother Devs.
dire escarp
@minor robin I normally go backwards from wasteland social, into the temple and then out the window to check
minor robin
Ohhh that's smart. Ahaha I still like doing the slide race, I get one candle and more practice speeding thru it gotta keep my friends on their toes
olive steppe
@vapid briar Thank you for taking the time to explain things in person. hope I wasn't being a nuisance or wasting your time. Sky is a great game and I love it very much despite its flaws, and I hope you guys can keep it going strong, honest, and great. regardless of how.
@minor robin Yeah my apologies. I was giving a more generic tip because I've been on your situation in other games. But I guess I shoulda researched it first or stood quiet.
vapid briar
No worries, it's a valid question. A lot of people don't realize how small the team because our previous work was under Sony which had AAA resources, that we no longer have access to as an independent/self publisher for Sky.
frosty flare
Is it okay to ask a question here or help or do I need to ask somewhere else
solar granite
@frosty flare if its a question about beta, here would be the place to do it
frosty flare
Oh sorry, it’s not
solar granite
haha all good! try #questions-and-help
spark lance
anyone else low key want the aviary to come back
quick oriole
Have you seen how many requests there’s been for that?
slim kayak
I never got to experience it
slim kayak
I heard that the devs might be bringing it back? But a lot of things prevent them from doing so
spark lance
what sort of things
slim kayak
Or they want to at least
I heard that the changes made to make the game smoother just didn't allow for the aviary to fit in
spark lance
oh
slim kayak
There are probably a lot of behind the scenes things that we don't really get to know about, but the game has changed a lot from the videos I've seen
slim kayak
If the aviary does come back, I'm not sure where they'd put it at this point
And how would it work now that home acts as the portals
slim kayak
Haha maybe
They'd definitely would have to redesign it to make it work with how the game is today
spark lance
yes home is bland
lusty light
That’s exactly the reason why the removed aviary
spark lance
really?
lusty light
Because people never left to play the game
spark lance
oh woa
slim kayak
Oh huh.
slim kayak
I was hoping that home would be expanded one day as a social space, but people not playing the game because of it....
spark lance
it's like if someone gave you fancy dessert instead of dinner first and when it came time for dinner you didn't want it. like eating to much ice cream
i understand how the devs look at it now, but im still gonna miss the aviary
lol
we never learn do we
slim kayak
Nope
lusty light
Aviary didn’t even make it to global release
spark lance
oof
maybe a smaller scale of the aviary could be made but the game is meant to be explored, so if it acts like the icing on a cake instead of the cake itself and it takes away from the game play i don't think it should be implemented
dang i must be low key hungry
or something
one of the most painful things about early beta you lost emotes instead of stars....ooh the pain
reef sail
does shira have an album on home and aviary?
i've gone through all her other ones and i wanna see the aviary y'all are talking about
spark lance
you can look up videos on youtube that are pretty good
radiant drum
Shira's albums are all pinned in #lore-discussion-spoilers! Here's the home and aviary one for those that are curious ^^ https://imgur.com/a/ZbOOVnv
spark lance
I wouldve loved to have played in the aviary,,,,,
finite pumice
Did someone say Aviary? Oh please bring it back. tbh I don't know why it wouldn't fit now apart from the way flight would not work as well around it. Losing it because it was so nice that ppl wouldn't play in the other areas seems so sad as a reason.
Back then, beta had been going for so long that many of the beta players had 'done it all', and so naturally, being a social game, they socialised and played around in aviary. It was a natural thing to do. It was fun. Now, with a global, and much much larger player base I really think that this would not be the case. There are new moths all the time in live so Aviary would not hold them socially captive as has been suggested. On the contrary I really think Aviary would just offer a place to meet, hone some skills as a group, and then head in to whatever area is the destination of the day.
If TGC are concerned that Aviary was drawing attention from the rest of the game, then doesn't that say something about the rest of the game as much as it does about Aviary?
The problem at the time we lost Aviary (as well as losing real flight, and gaining the new controls) was in part that many of the beta testers were growing tired. We had all been through Eden so many times, in all of it's various iterations, that the daily grind had lost it's appeal, and some of us found more fun in discovering new ways to play that apparently didn't align with how we were supposed to play.
To all of you expressing a desire to play in the Aviary, I hear you, and honestly hope that one day TGC will grace this wonderful world with Aviary again, and that you can enjoy it for what it was for us. What I fear though is that people like myself may have built up an expectation, that if Aviary does return, it won't live up to.
hollow compass
Yes, it could be that the memory is better than the reality. Although, I do miss the bell tower a lot.
Mostly I just miss being able to do the administrative bits in private.
But perhaps a personal space for every player would be too taxing on the game engine.
worn field
it feels like this server's been through the 'aviary conversation' several times now, idk if there's much to say about it that isn't rehashing old conversations.
tgc has already told us multiple times that they're planning to bring it back anyway.
hollow compass
I suppose it happens every time someone new mentions it or asks about it.
finite pumice
I hear you @worn field and like @hollow compass says, it's very much like all the repeated conversations about how to get into beta, why it's different to live, how beta isn't the same as live, and that beta items don't transfer and that the beta cape is no longer obtainable. So many repeated conversations, however it's something we do, and some of us with a great deal more patience than I frequently have. I admire many of you guys for the patient way you interact with new people here.
hollow compass
It can be a bit...surprising when people don't try to search for information on their own first.
quick oriole
1 day till next light quest
full rock
i thought its today aaaaaa
cuz yesterday i saw "1 day left"
i belike
now: 23 hours left
vale shale
where was the orange light?
quick oriole
Broken bridges area in forest
vale shale
thank you
stone topaz
now: 23 hours left
@full rock same here lol
seems like beta is gonna be synced with live to prevent spoiler?
quick oriole
No, beta is ahead
worn field
we're one light quest ahead rn
dry pivot
we already have green quest
solemn mesa
Please add the vertical mode to live
worn field
the general channels have been pleasantly spoiler-free regarding light quests, so far. hopefully we keep it up