beta-discussion

[frank whale]

I love radiance but it feels like the whole thing couldve been condensed into days of color considering how the quests were "go find me green" and used past seasonal spirits, OH THATS ANOTHER THING

I REALLLY dont like how tgc is reusing old spirits for seasons, it feels like itll cause confusion a bit for moths when it comes to ts and stuff like that, not to mention it kind of kills the originality a little

[icy sail]

especially if there are kids or youngins who don't understand/have parents to allow them to play.. this defeats the whole purpose of sky ;-;

[rain delta]

I just realized how many kids play this game..
If you’re under 18, don’t sign an NDA without understanding what it means to break iy

[fallow hatch]

normal players won't really be able to comment on beta development anymore

[cosmic cove]

this was my first season that had spirits instead of mannequins (im a nesting/duets moth)

[open frigate]

Dude, is this closure a joke? It's okay if it's closed for 1 month, but what about deleting a beta account?

[gleaming yacht]

If you're under 18, you can legally commit any crime, so please sign the nda and post every leak you can

[zinc palm]

So if they close the beta, they may cook something idk

[north pine]

I mean… they’re not trying that hard, are they? That two dye limit on cosmetics sure says they want you to keep grinding over and over for dyes on top of candles now

[wispy obsidian]

The beta testing is 18+ only, they don't want minors signing the NDA/participating at all

[heavy ice]

That's true, but still an NDA is a VERY heavy thing, much more than the current beta system we have

[tropic orbit]

yeah unfortunately people don’t care about the legal NDAs even though it could mean multiple things may happen. loss of access/ privileges, potential legal action, fee, etc

[potent forge]

That's what ToS (Terms of Service) are for, which every online game and service has. Report hackers so they get banned off the game.

@open frigate Beta accounts were always at risk of resets or changes. That's what people agree to when signing up for a game beta, and is already part of the Sky Beta agreement.

[proven pendant]

If this is a joke then tgc is real bold.

[gritty mountain]

Isn't that that same "Terms and policy agreement" we have to accept before every new game?

[warped geode]

yeah since it's a smaller selected group, i think we would need a broader audience, for the opinions and feedbacks.

[magic jetty]

i wish tgc had done a steam thing and fixed prices for each region btw. i wanna mention tha.t. are you aware that a 30$ iap pack was literally the price of a water bill for someone living alone in brazil . you get to pay double water bills each days of and season pass if you got a Crazy problem w fomo .

[fickle shore]

They are gonna delete all current beta accounts and start from "ground 0" essentially

[cursive grotto]

Breaking an NDA still has consequences, consequences you and your parents/guardians would face. Least case your IP could be banned from beta, worst case lawsuit

[stiff tusk]

The possibility for a beta ACC to be wiped or outright deleted was always a possibility. That's what betas are like.

[twin isle]

Since 1 PM I've just been in discord reading stuff it's crazy how locked in I am rn about all this. it's been 3 hours...

[rain delta]

Yup, apparently a checkbox for “Are you 18+”never deterred under 18 kids from clicking yes

[frank whale]

3pm here!! so bored....

[gleaming yacht]

yeah I'm definitely joking but if any kid wants to try this please don't

[wispy obsidian]

I never said they wouldn't do that, I said TGC wants only 18+ to do beta testing

[sage sparrow]

I was thinking they want beta to be adult space then minors with the nda
Who knows

[magic jetty]

jst woke up to the big news i am very "what did i expect" abt this hhaha . tgc truly isbig now isnt it 🥸

[trim temple]

I feel called out i say as i continue to lurk

[full hearth]

they will make you show your ID (i have signed an NDA for tgc before)

[icy sail]

are you trying to be suspicious/j

[open frigate]

Dude this really sucks I was playing it even when there was no update

[warped geode]

same Rae same
psst please don't forget to stay hydrated 🌊

[stiff tusk]

Maybe. Maybe in single player games. But hacking a multiplayer where your actions directly effect other people is not ok

[twin isle]

Whether you are or aren't, this really feels like you're hanging a neon sign above your head that says "HACKER" on it 💀

[fickle shore]

Thing is like, if you have an irl friend who also plays Sky, the person with the beta account can easily "leak" it to their friend by just showing them things like physically, without a digital footprint

[mental hull]

The textwall disappearing i can't

[naive solar]

You misspelled "awesome people"

[frank whale]

rip that guy who made that long message that got flagged cause now he gotta retype it AND WAIT

[potent forge]

This feels more like an issue for #live-feedback . There is certainly things you can criticize about Sky's general grindy gameplay, but I don't think the dyes are that more grindy than candles. In live, I collected more dye than I use (aside from white and black) just by daily ~5 candle CRs.

[shrewd needle]

I am glad about these new terms of service of beta. I am sick of YouTubers like Noob Mode posting beta spoiler videos.

[hallow ginkgo]

Then don't watch them?

[tropic orbit]

oh yeah, I ran into this with my mom. For all legal reasons I held off from playing Coral Island Alpha around her as under my NDA even that wasn’t legal I would tell her when I was playing so she wouldn’t be able to come in. But understandably not everyone will/would do that

[icy sail]

the spoiler videos were always a fun thing for any player who wanted a sneak peak, I'm assuming she may be allowed to continue those (as she is a sky figure head)

[boreal thistle]

I can see it still and I don't even know what I'd fix to make it send... rip to that guy

[fickle shore]

Ohh yea Im forgetting all the YTers who post beta content on the daily\

[magic jetty]

thw whole "daily cande l runs" thint id the problem here dawg we never needed one more "-run" thintg with the multitude of them (some not veen bein daily #wow)

[gray moat]

nastymold said in her video that all beta content will stop due to the nda

[faint rose]

Personally I do appreciate the new features that get added with these kinds of seasons, my issue with them though is how a good amount of the new features they add can be learned in a day and makes me wonder do we really need a whole 70 day season dedicated to it? I miss the hype of new areas being added that weren't just an aviary addon, a memorable cast of spirits and not mannequins, and a wordless yet interesting story that added something to Sky's world

[zinc palm]

I was fine watching some beta spoilers but we have to let it go now

[shrewd needle]

Really? This looks like it says YouTubers like Noob Mode will no longer be allowed to share beta info.

🔹__Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDAs)__
NDAs will be required of all testers. NDAs are legal agreements that protect certain types of information from being shared publicly. For the beta program, this means that no beta footage or content can be recorded or shared by testers outside of private beta channels on Discord designated by TGC.

[naive solar]

Person whose text wall got deleted, you can head into #contact-the-mods and request a copy of your message along with an explanation of what got it deleted.

[rugged kindle]

Hopefully this will intecive tgc CMs to create new fun activities for the communities

[gritty mountain]

I think their reputation precedes them 😭 I met a few through 4years of playing never did they care for the game, they acted with a god complex

[timid karma]

Poll for those who don't want the beta to be reset, please speak up 👋 And who wants to talk🎉

[lilac solstice]

Or just don't break the tos in the first place....🧍‍♂️

[fickle shore]

Unfortunately TGC likes doing its own thing and wont listen

[sterile osprey]

Beta is designed to be reset, it isn’t another version of live. If you don’t want it to be reset, don’t play the beta

[full hearth]

rip another guy with a really long message got flagged thats tough

[trim temple]

The random wall of text that keeps disappearing

[rugged kindle]

Yep beta is never meant as an alternative to live, it's for testing. Nothing else but testing

[mental hull]

If you dont have time for something then dont expect it to bloom

Sky is a game that if you want things, you have to have patience and put effort into it
If you can't do it, don't do it

[slow spear]

This NDA thing means they'll only accept US citizens in the beta program?
Otherwise they would need to sue anyone who breaks the NDA in a foreign court

[stiff tusk]

It is interesting that they are doing this as a "stop to leaks" when it seemed like they were outright providing her with sc so she could show it all off. Why they 180°
/Lh

[magic jetty]

thw whole reset thing is a risknyou Agreed to when joining this but being reset every week or so is quite the decision haha

[gritty mountain]

I don't think we have a say in this matter unfortunately 😔

[dry dome]

No more spoilers

[rain delta]

And if your friend leaks said content you showed them, you will get penalized for it as someone who signed the NDA.

So be careful if you are spreading info to friends. They’re not under an NDA, but you are

[hallow ginkgo]

ANOTHER ONE?😨
press F to pay respect

[potent forge]

That is a different conversation to be had. Of course they could add features in a different way, but the seasons are part of how TGC finances their development. And sure, you can criticize battlepasses and FOMO events as a general trend in gaming, but the alternative is going back to a time where MMORPGs just cost you 10 bucks a month to be able to play at all.

[shrewd needle]

I'm guessing we are going to lose our capeless cape when these resets start?

[north pine]

They’re pretty chill honestly. Most just add cool effects to their sky kid like particles to confuse people. I’ve also had multiple take me to exclusive areas that need a special cosmetic to enter (like the TLP plane map). Though I’m aware a handful arent like this and the NDA will hopefully help deter them

[icy sail]

while this is true, I think what people are most worried about is not being able to test in the future! however, it seems that it's much more fair in it's invites and many have missed out so hopefully this will allow more people!

[dry ibex]

@fallow hatch talking about hacks, encouraging hacking or discussing exploits is against the rules of this server. Your message was removed

[frank whale]

imo beta content sgould be posted AND THIS IS A BIG IF tgc keeps pushing out events like clockwork over snd over with little space between. the community is scarred after so many days of events bringing expensive prices, more work, and the big ones usually bringing downtime if people rampage on reset ||DAYS OF SUNLIGHT IM LOOKIN AT YOU|| (or even if they dont,) and just want to be able to plan ahead because of how often the game pushes these updates. if they wont fix the issue with pricing, people adapt. and this is just going to stress out the players more and more if they block the one defense we have against the event rush

[dry ibex]

To all other members, please move on from the conversation. This is not beta related, nor allowed here. I’ll be cleaning up chatter

[fast skiff]

All accounts will start fresh

[magic jetty]

i amstarting to feel a little bad for people that went outta their way to grind for ascended candles in Beta for the damn elder masks. its Like getting punched in the face hereb Haha 🙁

[faint rose]

I feel the same with the collaborations, in my opinion they've been gradually fitting Sky tonally/stylistically less and less. I miss when they felt a bit more genuinely interactive such as in TLP and Aurora, with something like Moomin you were basically nothing more than a spectator being told a story that didn't even try to integrate it with sky gameplay 🥲 . I don't look forward to collabs anymore as all I see them as anymore are brand recognizability IAP opportunities and chunks of time taken away from fleshing out Sky

[graceful nest]

Ah yes... They act like they're blind when it's convenient for them... But honestly for Genshin, without leaks the game would be even more dead 🤧

[timid bough]

i like to think a season as having attributes such as story, lore, mechanics, cosmetics, location

some seasons are more lacking in some attributes but better in some
example : nesting has "new" mechanics but lacks a more detailed story and minimal new locations versus something like abyss where you got a good story and lore a new mechanic, and a cool location

of course what constitutes as good is subjective but generally if you want every part of a season to be perfect it takes manpower which may be occupied with priority projects

[gritty mountain]

It's a good way to put my enemies in trouble 😭💀/j

[cosmic axle]

So I have like 2 things(mini text wall):

Why not have it up for all platforms or at least a mobile platform and PC, as those bugs can vary so drastically?

I do understand management of one platform over many would further reduce the chances of leaks, but it will also reduce the progress on big fixes for those platforms not currently represented by the new beta program.

And

Will we be given time to read through the NDA agreement before making any decision that could impact us later?

[sterile osprey]

I have never had a chance to test due to filled invites so I’m a little happy as it means I will finally have a chance. It does feel bad though for all the people who have been testing to lose access.

[acoustic anvil]

add Splatoon or monster Hunter collab and my life is happy

[stiff tusk]

That was answered early, iOS has better safety features atm

Edit: and yes, you'd have to sign the NDA before anything else, so you'll have time to read it

[rugged kindle]

They'll update us on about what NDA entails later

Also they're planning to include Android and PC into testing later on but Android / PC testers wannabe can sign up beforehand iirc

[gleaming yacht]

wait is it seriously only going to launch on ios for the beginning? lmao (this feels VERY rushed)

[dry ibex]

Hi y’all! When discussion is about possible collabs or future collabs, please move to the live channels

[gilded fractal]

beta test is like my part time job ... i like to hunting bugs

[naive solar]

Reportedly, iOS has been a more secure platform in comparison to Android and PC, which is the reason behind iOS getting early access. Your concerns about bugs varying drastically is very valid and something TGC should take into consideration. I think you will be given time to read the agreement thoroughly

[full hearth]

i think the only thing im worried about is replaying the game over and over if we get our accounts wiped often (though it could also be fun to go with everyone!)

[icy sail]

I think in the sense of grinding for items and losing all of that, remember that candle packs will most likely be available in old events and the new features of buying ALL season / event testing items through the store means you won't need a lot of currency! 🕯🤍

[fair socket]

Guys im confused with goodbye and sleep forever thing in beta screenshot channel what really happen?? (I didnt play beta but i do take a peep for updates and spoiler)

[cosmic sequoia]

Hi grey I was waiting to see you here

[fallow hatch]

holy nerd

[dry ibex]

Lots of info in #beta-announcements!

[fast skiff]

It’s completely normal for players to get attached to the things they’ve worked hard for. But beta testers have been reminded time and time again that account wipes can happen at any moment. Beta isn’t meant to be a place to get too attached, especially when it comes to cosmetics.

[shrewd needle]

I am not surprised they are cutting things back to iOS for now. A few years ago in beta, an Android friend used a trick during the 5 hearts for 14 candles to infinitely gift me hearts. That went on for a full hour for me to get 999 hearts for that capeless cape.

I will seriously miss that, but I totally understand why they want to stop tricks.

[proven pendant]

Is it actually gonna be wiped repeatedly?? 😭 what’s the point of collecting anything then, wow it’s really just “testing” I guess

[rain delta]

I have to say an open beta made the dull of seasons so much more bearable.

Because every 40 ish days there’s something new. You have a season in live and as it comes to its mid way, beta launches something.

Now it’s just going to be seasons for 75 days with nothing to keep the interest going in between

[rancid sleet]

iOS first for security reasons. iOS is more uniform and strict with testing applications, unlike android which doesn’t have a standard form.
there is a concern about not having data for android related bugs, but i’m sure tgc has this considered or may share further details in the future.

For the nda, it’ll be the same case where tgc will reveal for more. it is a legal document so players can take their time to review and make the decision if they would like to proceed with signing or not

[rugged kindle]

Same I'm excited to have an opportunity to test stuff too, I'm always passionate about ensuring stuff work well

[stiff tusk]

It's quite normal for beta ACC to be wiped once a month/quarter/tear ECT. I wouldn't be shocked if that's something they decided to do. But also I don't think we've ever had a (complete) wipe in the past so I also wouldn't be surprised if they don't change that

[cursive grotto]

Everyone forgot about the artists emails, and the leaked photos after all the censoring of skins. I never forgot that poor artists words about the leaks and unfair, treatment.. stuck to my brain like a migraine

[icy sail]

all new players DESERVE a chance to test!! it's been a long time coming, I'm just hoping we can all test together hehe, but if that means maybe replacing an old tester for a new one, it might be necessary
if someone is more qualified than me maybe it's for the better

[gritty mountain]

But in all seriousness tho I need to find a lawyer to make me understand what I am getting into cuz I am no good I no in legal work 😭and I don't want to miss some minor clause for which I get sued later in my life

[balmy rock]

I think the NDA is the big issue that nobody is discussing? Is TGC somehow unaware of how rampant leaks are in the Genshin and HSR community (two more games that require NDAs for their beta testing)? Whether there’s an NDA or not, there will be leaks. Being able to see previews of the new seasons and events in beta is what gets me excited for them, and it’s better to be able to see them straight from testers and official TGC channels rather than have to scour the internet to find leaks (because whether or not there’s an NDA, people will intentionally seek them out).

[rugged kindle]

In this case I'm hopeful that the CMs and many parts of the community will organise fun things

@icy sail I hope so! I think they'll rotate the testers but that remains to be seen

[rain delta]

It’s been dead in my heart for years now

[tropic orbit]

see speaking of, i swear ive seen a few ios testers say here that they havent opened it in MONTHS and apple never kicked them off the testflight. so i imagine there were a lot of inactive accounts still on beta

[stiff tusk]

Sorry to burst your bubble but that is what beta is....

[frank whale]

yall i think its best NOT to compare companies as similar as they are rn because working conditions from the back are different dependkng on who you work with so it gets real iffy once we start going into speculation about peoples jobs

[slow spear]

It's impossible to sign something if you can't read it, so don't worry 😊

[proven pendant]

Yeah bro

[gleaming yacht]

funny thing is, you won't even have to scour the internet to find them. any talk of leaks will be banned in this server as expected of course but youtube videos will get thousands of views before getting deleted, and twitter/reddit will be filled with videos. so yeah I really don't see it

[wispy obsidian]

"Application process
Instead of first-come-first-served invite links, Sky players interested in volunteering to beta test can apply through a questionnaire. When new groups of testers are needed, applicants will be selected and contacted directly."

I think y'all keep forgetting about this part. I think this will reduce the hacking significantly if TGC is already aware of who each individual tester is.

[cursive gust]

Any other android players STILL unable to log in

[gilded parrot]

@shrewd needle, Beta testers do not receive information in advance and no one knows when something will happen. Please check out #news for Live announcements and #beta-announcements for what's currently being tested in Beta.

[rain delta]

Tbh beta should never have been about collecting 🥲 when they asked us to grind for candles instead of giving everything to begin with is when the focus shifted from testing to collecting

And because you spend time collecting, it ended up with people getting attached to their accounts and not wanting to lose progress

[paper current]

there is another alternative. for ex. warframe’s entire monetization (all stories are f2p, the purchaseable premium currency can also be traded so f2p players can get it, and the only thing fully locked to purchases are fan-made cosmetics, where the fan artist gets a cut of the cost)
the only difference is that warframe makes some money from the game, whereas most other games aim to make every last cent they can off of you
and the community fr warframe loves warframe for that. like its incredibly well received.
tldr; fomo abusing and iaps are not the only option and there are successful games that have gone without it. dont pity tgc for their greedy tactics.

[stiff tusk]

Idk I haven't tried in a few weeks

[graceful nest]

Hahahahaha I feel you a bit... Last year they made a lot of improvements but now it's just... I play sometimes when I have time, cause the main world quests and the story quests are still interesting. But the rest... Is kinda dead for me too 😭

[icy sail]

I do wonder how people like nasty mold will get an income or fulfill the sharing of content, I'm hoping they've given all those content creators some good alternatives as it can be someone's lively hood/hobbies

[cosmic sequoia]

Maybe this is their attempt at starting anew and considering these factors

[cursive grotto]

TGC is not like HoYoverse at all (in treatment of employees) I was replying to someone else's comment about Genshin Impact related issues! My bad, didn't mean to create a misunderstanding

[gritty mountain]

Wait it has begun? They already started kicking us out 😭

[cosmic axle]

That wasn't really my point..

I'm more referring to the window we're given to read through and sign the document given its legal status, but thank you

[potent forge]

Fair enough... But I'd say neither of these seasons lack effort, just that the effort (and time and budget) was focused in different ways.

Abyss has a cool space and cool seasonal storyline, but after that.... the map is kind of dead. The Days of Treasure made you revisit the area now, but outside of that, the map is even too inaccessible for CRs. The Enchantment map is both connected via Wind Paths, so you can easily go Aviary-Ark-Wasteland, and a place you often return to for the Rainbow or Light daily quests. The Abyss map is locked behind a tedious boat ride and most of the available light is locked behind clams you manually have to open.
A lot of the effort went into making it a cool map and plot, but not into making the map part of Sky's gameplay as a whole.

The Nest season, meanwhile, added a feature that a lot of players asked for a long, long time, and that is still seeing expansions with stuff like being able to be set as your home, as well as giving a purpose to all the props added in the past or future.
A lot of the effort was put into developing the feature and make it work, now and in the future.

[terse hinge]

you had to GRIND for candles in the beta to buy the beta cosmetics?????

[rancid sleet]

no, accounts are not being kicked out yet. #beta-faq has the dates of when things will start happening.

[woeful obsidian]

Oh nooo. 😩 All my work I put in my progress all the time. I spend hours a day. Since 4 years. I would loose my mood to play again if I lost everything. 😩

[frank whale]

dwdw!! at least it was cleared up

[rain delta]

They only made those improvements cause wuthering waves gave them an existential crisis. If WuWA did not exist, we would have spent another 5 years begging from crumbs

[proven pendant]

True! Ehh when I say wiped repeatedly it’s obviously a big change from what it is now which is why I’m shocked that’s all. But I’m aware it’s normal to reset in beta

[rancid sleet]

also kindly suggesting for folks to read through #beta-faq before jumping in the conversation!
and a reminder that #beta-feedback is also available to send in your thoughts about these changes!

[lilac solstice]

I definitely think this will be extremely beneficial for beta going forward. While I am absolutely sad about it, it is definitely going to be helpful for the game as a whole.
I do wish we had testing now for other platforms since it'll be helpful for them, but that should hopefully come later.

[icy sail]

if anyone is attached to their accounts you should just take screenshots of your fav items and save them, and don't forget your nests and friend lists!

[gleaming yacht]

nasty still makes content for the live version but it will definitely impact youtubers. and I don't know what they can even do to make up for the damages

[stiff tusk]

It wouldn't be a "window" as such. If say you'd be given as much time as you need to read through the NDA, as by that point you would have been selected already

[dry ibex]

Access will be removed on March 20th, and before that date we’re organising a liiittle goodbye. Come join us #beta-looking-for-group message

[boreal thistle]

Now we just have to wait for Air: Offspring of the Photons to release and pressure TGC

[fair socket]

Even natlan aint better either 😭 😭

[dry ibex]

Hi y’all, let’s also please limit discussion to Sky and not other games

[cursive gust]

They closed beta?!

[tawdry pine]

i would love to but my phone was already struggling when doing the photo session with Cy- i fear what aurora concert would do to my potato phone!

[woeful obsidian]

I put do many effort into get the invisible cape. Lot of friendships. So many hearts. And now. It will gone? 😭😭😭

[scarlet moon]

I'm very upset to not be able to participate in beta anymore especially because it helped me form a schedule and understanding of future things to prepare for that I could also feedback on. I have autism so it was vital to be in beta to not be freaked out by not knowing what is going on with my comfort game. BUT I respect their decision even if it majorly affects me mentally.

[warped geode]

Lu-sea I will miss you too

[tropic orbit]

one thing i am extremely hopeful for, it allows tgc to better see feedback. theres over 600k people in this server with over 50k online at a time sometimes

[icy sail]

this is so bittersweet and wholesome EEE what a fitting goodbye will miss you all dearly but hoping to see you again as a mothie! (mothie=moth)

[stiff tusk]

Not yet, not for another 3 days, you can read through the blog post in #news

[rancid sleet]

@fallow hatch your post was removed. please keep it respectful and don’t insult players - thank you!

[lilac solstice]

You can add me on live! I'm accepting live qrs from fellow tester friends!

[gritty mountain]

How much do we know about these upcoming NDAs? Can we send feedback, or will it happen regardless? 😔

[rugged kindle]

Wait have I added you luci in live or I'm just that forgetful

[fair socket]

Does the beta like impact everyone? (and i meant like it also impacts iOS and other device)

[dry ibex]

NDA’s will happen regardless, but you can send in questions / thoughts / perspectives you have about the changes!

[scarlet moon]

I don't know who all here is friends with me on beta, but you guys can add me on live since I'm there more anyway.

[proven pendant]

That’s what I’m saying- yeah sure reset happens often but like emotionally this is huge 😭 not sure why people think I’m overreacting when I’m shocked

[left ridge]

Might consider becoming a tester once the application process comes around, I just hope that the new change will be a long term benefit and not just a temporary solution

[maiden pond]

In the imminent reveal of the Little Prince x Bloom trailer, I'd like to say that #beta-screenshots-videos is like the land of the tears right now. It's sad.

[warped geode]

Omg thats incredible

I’ll DM you my code asap

[frank whale]

#beta-faq message kachow

[lilac solstice]

I'm pretty certain I have you added but you disappeared in my constellation

[rain delta]

We should all just use up our trail spells in beta

[dry ibex]

@cursive gust your message was removed. Implying violence is not an option here, you can however formulate constructive feedback and let the devs know.

[rugged kindle]

Oops 😭

[gleaming yacht]

this is all so terrible lol I fail to imagine a world where tgc didn't expect this sort of reaction

[graceful nest]

I'm sorry to read that!! I hope they make some announcements of some kind, or previews weeks before stuff comes out, something to help preparing! 🙂

[woeful obsidian]

This is unfair. I understand what tgc thinking. But they asking before if some one want to be a moth. Why they ask before if the want all be a moth again? That's ridiculous

[charred tide]

Well, if they’re gonna reset our acc, they should made everything accessible tbh like every cosmetics unlocked or thousands of candles etc,,, *after reset. will quickly record all of my cosmetics in beta.. miss u all,,

[icy sail]

I have a question I signed my account up to the new player symbol, will these still exists when beta comes back online?

[frank whale]

every time i see one of these messages i think of that stupid little kid voice going "ooooooOOoOOOOoooOOOo" when someone got in trouble

[coral tapir]

It's not just account being reset everyone is being kicked from beta and the accounts are gone 😭

[late sonnet]

#beta-screenshots-videos message
just did a lil impromptu photoshoot with beta friends to say goodbye to testing uwu
god ren's been here since before prophecy testing a gamut of times people have joined

[ashen tusk]

Oh my god the tournament crabs, they're gonna be gone 😔

[timid bough]

maybe im just too much of a lore lover
its definitely undeniable recent aviary related seasons have added a lot of new mechanics which tend to end up more beneficial

[warped geode]

Would be useful, and since beta will always roll out the cosmetics wouldn’t matter that Much so it’s a great idea

[cursive gust]

Lol krill. Dragon same thing like dude I SENT EMOJIS LOL

[idle nexus]

Does anyone want to do trials before we go? Let's all get hit by the fireballs!

[fair socket]

Should be very effective too, who knows that one cosmetic you never have suddenly bugged and then it comes to live version bringing more problems

[potent forge]

I mean, I get that! I'm all for more lore. Would love to see more story-focused seasons. I just think that implying the less lore centric seasons lack effort is unfair.

[elder bay]

This news is so heartbreaking for me bcs I was saving up soooo many hearts to have a capeless skykid but I think that's useless now😭💔

[proven pendant]

What sucks is that I just recently started to enjoy beta as a tester after my break. Before I would sorta just peek in there from time to time. I regret not making use of my privilege more

[cinder spindle]

I’m not sure if this is the right place to ask/if anyone here has the answer but I’m a little confused about the part that says “For the beta program, this means that no beta footage or content can be recorded or shared by testers outside of private beta channels on Discord designated by TGC.” Are the beta testing channels going to be locked to everyone who is not a tester? Or will everyone still be able to participate in discussions and feedback regardless of their beta status? Sorry if I’m misunderstanding/misreading it ^^”

[stiff tusk]

Again, I can understand people's dismay. And another person put it quite well early in how the grinding in beta is partially to blame for the attachment to accounts. But it is beta. And one of the first things said is that your ACC can be wiped at any time. It's unfortunate. But this is for testing, not collecting

[naive aspen]

Same problem 😭🫂
I'm afraid that the worst will happen, and From the awareness of the unknown about the next content

[timid bough]

there is effort just less on some parts, less balanced tbf

[woeful obsidian]

If the reset all and we start as a moth. Who will be able to test the next season or event of we didn't unlock the gates. 😒. And will all friends gone too? I hope they do a player backup some where...

[dry ibex]

Beta channels will be private and only for selected testers who have signed the NDA. We currently don’t know if the existing channels will be used, or if new channels will be made!

[zinc palm]

Painful for all betas, I feel bad for you guys

[tropic orbit]

one thing i am curious about, since again legally while bound by a NDA i am allowed to share my experience with coral island testing. when beta content comes to live will beta testers be able to help make guides using beta content or beta experience OR will it be like coral island where we will never be able to share photos and screenshots of the alpha? and potentially not be able to share how it works at all?

im not sure how many guides for seasons, quests, or days of events are made based off of final beta information that goes unchanged. but i do know an indirect guide does happen sometimes from beta testers already knowing how something works

[gilded parrot]

@tropic orbit, Beta testers do not receive information in advance and no one knows when something will happen. Please check out #news for Live announcements and #beta-announcements for what's currently being tested in Beta.

[naive solar]

it'd be cool if tgc did a final trip to eden with festival tech before closing

[potent forge]

If anything, I think this should be motivation to let TGC know in live feedback that there is a demand for capeless skykids. There always have been capeless skids even in live, but no official support for it as it is technically based on a glitch. Would love to see them properly supported in live in one way or another.

[frank whale]

no, you just cant chitchat outside of the betachats i think.

OH GOD TGC MIGHT BECOME A DMCA STRIKE MENACE I JUST GAVE MYSELF MLRE QUESTIONS THE AWNSERS AAA

[icy sail]

I do kinda wish we had a bit more knowledge about this decision earlier on, I think people would've had less of an uproar with more notice but I'm not sure

[cursive gust]

OH NO

[shrewd needle]

Great idea! Thanks!

[woeful obsidian]

Where we find the nda?

[stiff tusk]

T H E F I N A L E L D E R S I T E M

[dry ibex]

I felt that way too but on the other hand I’d haaaaate waiting for weeks for beta to close doomsday clock

[proven pendant]

Yeah, I would have preferred if they eased the info and tested the waters to see how the community would respond

[dry ibex]

We don’t yet! More to come soon said Sagomay!

[late sonnet]

flashbacks to aurora concert testing and people who kept posting the concert outside of beta had to be DMCA'd constantly

[fast skiff]

Surprisingly (or not really), TGC has an internal testing team aside from us beta players. I’m pretty sure they’ll do just fine on their own for a while haha 😄

[potent forge]

Afaik, it was already discouraged/prohibited to e.g. make pricing guides based on beta, as beta is always subject to change. This is a good question to ask in feedback, or whenever they actually start up the new beta program. But I assume that it's mostly important that information in the guides is actually based on the live version of content to not confuse players.

[timid bough]

i just want to take off the cape, take the flying away even
i just wanna see my skykid swim comfortably

[cursive gust]

I'm listening to Billie eilish rn and crying because of beta closing

[strong sentinel]

Doofenshmirtz finally came up with the "equaliserrator" and now purging our beta

[shrewd needle]

Wouldn't it be more secure if they created a new Discord group exclusive for beta instead of keeping it here?

[frank whale]

is this why they were doing eden festivaltech???

[wispy obsidian]

Betapocalypse

[gritty mountain]

So we wouldn't have any say in cosmetics or changes made in beta as we have now? Like even if we are not part of beta testing? Not even in feedback... What if we don't like some cosmetics and we want to give our thoughts?

[fair socket]

Guys i think this is early april fool/hj

[drifting geyser]

nasty and noob are not only "beta content" creators but they have pretty informative and nice guidances on events, changes and new seasons for live as well as daily quests guides of nasty which all should be appreciated imo, why everyone negative about them i dont understand, they have been investing their time and effort probably since even before most of your skykids were born. theres nothing for them to lose theyre good even only with live content

[tropic orbit]

thats very true!! i think my question is more geared towards for example: aurora’s concert and the wings. Live players didn’t known when the wings would unlock but beta players did and were able to tell them that it wasn’t a bug that the wings aren’t available to you yet

[dry ibex]

I would personally love that over roles and private channels! But it’s up to the devs to decide on that and what is possible with the bandwidth of moderators and developers . Makes for a great #beta-feedback suggestion however!!!

[late sonnet]

then you can give feedback when the items reach live in #live-feedback like you've always been able to do
they do take those into consideration and adjust for future event implementations

[stiff tusk]

I'm going to assume that beta will still have quite a few testers, so all we can do is hope the pool is big enough to gauge the whole community's opinion on items

[strong sentinel]

Well it will be a problem for future TGC if engagement and sells will drop in live version of the game I suppose

[stuck rose]

Just posted some moments from my beta testing
#beta-screenshots-videos message
I've been Tester from 2021 season of dreams and here are my moments:

• Music Hall oob with flying windows and red village
• Met real kizuna doing recording for her channel
• Carried spirit in valley maze with no walls bug
• Watched full concert to see that I was alone
• Exchanged tons of hearts
• Met Nastymold ingame by the chance
• Saw beautiful aurora bugs in eden and valley mazes

[proven pendant]

I guess the trust in judgment would be placed in the beta testers’ hands

[frank whale]

the one time ive seen beta content fixed depending on feedback was the rose cape for bloom and how it could be dyed, can someone else think of another time or a.contradiciton?? i havent been in beta updates very long

[naive solar]

Yes, you would not. That will be restricted so only testers can submit feedback and bug reports. Like Cy says, when they eventually make their way to live, you are going to be able to comment on them in live-feedback and submit bug reports about it should you encounter problems

[late sonnet]

the 5 updates to raven cape on length
the 6 updates to performance noot hair hairband, that changed SO MUCH

[stiff tusk]

I think the most common changes are small tweaks to colours of items.

[sudden pine]

thanks!

[rugged kindle]

I will say, I think the changes will be helpful and positive for long term improvements in the community.

There had been a plenty of toxicity I've experienced all due to the open beta testing environment. I've had one upsetting situation with my words in the beta channels being misconstrued as something negative and I was being slandered many times in socials outside discord and it was genuinely upsetting.

So having a private yet productive testing environment will help in fostering a better community.

It's just my opinions here ❤️

[strong sentinel]

The hell of cat hairstyle for days of mischief....

[potent forge]

In such a case, if there seems to be any confusion among live players caused by the trickle updates, I imagine the beta players might have to ask TGC reps to make some official statement or explanation.

[frank whale]

so mainly iaps

[gleaming yacht]

oh okay the white knight comment got deleted ❤️

[timber grotto]

girl no

[late sonnet]

there was a lot of shuffling of the og gay suspenders when it was $15 -> $10 -> became free

[shrewd needle]

Stuff in seasons, like items and features, have changed as well.

[naive solar]

We don't know who will be selected for testing, and this is not a nice comment to be making about people we don't know. People can have different preferences about content as well as prefer to share their concerns directly with TGC. Not everything has to be stated publicly even if you're unhappy oh woops sorry

[dry ibex]

To reiterate on what Pere said: discussion can be held if done in a respectful way. Insulting other players, members or people is not allowed here - you can formulate your thoughts without bringing others down.

[stiff tusk]

That's not what the new testers are going to be lol
They will just be normal people. People who are probably in this chat right now

[mental hull]

I could never forget the times the entire chat made tgc switch the cat mask for the cat hair in Days of Mischief so the hair would be free

[lost swan]

When the cat hair was changed to iap, then we were able to get it back to igc

[cosmic axle]

This was my thought, though having channels/categories that are completely locked behind roles may solve it?

I'm not that involved with my own servers to know exactly how that works.

I do think a sole server dedicated to beta related content would be safer, and the only way in would be if you were accepted via the application and contacted.

[craggy gull]

Im hoping for a more efficient way to report bugs and feedback in beta. I did find it mildly cumbersome to make reports sometimes.

[tropic orbit]

i didn’t think about that outcome!! thanks for sharing your thoughts on it i will definitely start typing up another feedback message asking about this as well in hopes it gets answered in a future info update

[dry ibex]

That’s Skybot feedback, which definitely can go in #contact-the-mods!!!

[rugged kayak]

i'm gonna be real y'all, something like this should have been very much expected for a beta testing environment...

it still would have been nice to know earlier, or give people a bit more time to prepare. it's sad seeing so many people being this stressed over the changes 😔

but you have to understand that a smaller, more controlled beta testing environment will make development so much easier, and with a smaller group of people actually using beta to test instead of an alternate sky account, feedback will be more valuable and easier for the devs to read through

all this said there's really no meed for any sort of rude comments over this, c'mon guys do better

[frank whale]

ohhhh okok good to hear thx yawll

[rugged kindle]

Agreed 100%

[dry ibex]

I know Alex is working on some changes for the bot though, he mentioned it a few times as well

[gritty mountain]

I guess it hit the nerve

[gleaming yacht]

I hope I am wrong and TGC uses fair criteria to choose their testers. It would be a shame not to do that.

[naive solar]

no, there was no reason to be rude is all

[late sonnet]

you'll know when the form comes out for application

[dry ibex]

If you think these jokes are funny, then I’d like to remind you that any jokes or comments that come from a harmful view of others are not allowed within the server. Several warnings have been given out, so please do consider this your last warning. A mute will follow if you can’t be respectful.

[frank whale]

@gritty mountain Im sorry did you shave dora i just noticed

||least its not 3d/teenage dora butNOO MY BABY||

[proven pendant]

I’m aware that this change would be invaluable to tgc and the game as a whole but it hurts most of the community. They seriously should’ve had given a warning or asked for an opinion but time and time again it’s like we aren’t their priority despite the fact a game can’t function without its player base’s support. I’m still upset by all this and I can say it’s justified. The rude comments no ofc

[mental hull]

My only point is that sadly the feedback on live will be 99% about items and not about mechanic ideas or things we would like. It will be so stressful to deal

[naive solar]

I definitely agree, wondering if it'd help to extend the duration of when the reset will take place

[gritty mountain]

How so ?? I just mentioned how we can put all the power in just a few beta players' hands and take their choices and opinions on the community's behalf. @naive solar

[ember ore]

that and maybe a bit more direction on what devs want feedback on? Like specific items or parts of the season/events?

[pliant swallow]

personally think this is a double edged sword. beta content and leaks are kinda the norm for mobile games nowadays, and even for sky its a great way to see upcoming iaps and planning if you want to get the future content. to some, beta is what excites people for the next updates (im one of them!) and having a wider pool of feedback is imo more beneficial on the long run. but ive also been beta testing since 2022, and it can get really hectic in here to say the least.....so a more closed beta test makes sense i suppose. i think theyll need to be careful picking who will be in the future beta testing, because its a lot of power to put to a small fraction of players

[dry ibex]

Not for me personally but I understand why people want more time. I just don’t like waiting for doom to come, or waiting for weeks knowing my access will be revoked. I’d rather rip the bandaid off immediately

[restive root]

aight ik i said i'd stop looking at this channel but i can't stop looking, but all i'll say on a lighter note is.. they better add the invisible cape to live after this since beta's becoming even more restrictive

[dry ibex]

Also, #live-feedback is not obsolete.

[late sonnet]

also tbh it's something we've all been aware of ever since we joined beta anyway
you can always have access revoked for any reasons the developers deem necessary

[proven pendant]

What did tgc think was gonna happen? That people were just gonna accept all this with smiles or smth? If they wanted to keep beta content private they should’ve done it at the start.

Ughh man this reminds me of when my high school got rid of open campus lunch when it was the one thing that made our district special

[strong sentinel]

"Never get too attached to your beta account"

[idle nexus]

I fell right when I went in the giant ball of darkness.....the symbolism is there, but I'm also shocked that I died before I saw any fire/candle.

[stiff tusk]

We don't know anything about what the new beta will be like yet, so it's best we don't assume it's only going to be super small. I doubt applicants will even be hand picked, I'd say application would be put through a filter and then entered into a "draw"
So for now I think it's best we wait and see. Changes can always be made after if we think

[gleaming yacht]

I just think it would be fair to return any cosmetics to the players' account if/once they get into beta testing. 999 hearts is just cruel to delete permanently.

[rugged kindle]

Yeah it's been super hectic being in the beta channels time to time. So having smaller groups would make it easier for testers to talk without getting stressed by a barrage of outsider questions and unrelated commentary

[fair socket]

We were signed as lab rats at first

[wispy obsidian]

I feel like they should add a disclaimer every time you open the beta that stuff isn't final and your account can be wiped at any given moment to remind players of such

[gritty mountain]

But in all honesty has that ever come to any real work if it doesn't have majority backing like beta feedback?

[late sonnet]

as someone with a 999 invis cape
it is perfectly within the developers rights to remove it

this is beta, not the live game. if you care about items you should get them in live, not beta.
if you want the invis cape or whatever, #live-feedback is the place for that

[dry ibex]

Oh beta feedback makes up such a small, small portion of all players. Genuinely

[orchid nexus]

TGC has always been positive about people sharing beta content. I see this as a new experiment, with maybe some legal requirements coming in from partnerships with other companies. I don't think they're trying to punish anyone for prior leaks, just taking a new approach

[timber grotto]

that's.. part of beta testing? like you're not here to collect any cosmetics, you're here to give feedback

[strong sentinel]

I mean... they do. It pops up every time an update drops haha

[frank whale]

we need 3 forms of sky beta ngl

internal testing fresh from tgc

closed beta to check how mechanics will work n stuff

open beta for general public reception and wider testing

these would all take a lot of resources to hold all 3 together and keep them intermingling though

[rugged kayak]

i think it's less "we're not priority" and more they have a schedule they need to follow, and in order to not have major delays they had to suddenly let us know. i do understand why youre upset though

@ danick, i'm sorry to be blunt but imo, sometimes cosmetics will have a design you don't particularly resonate with... and that's okay. it's just the way it is. we all have differences in what we like, skygame's cosmetic developers included. you don't need to send in nitpick feedback because you(in general not specifically you) think a cape should have been a few shades darker every single time

[stiff tusk]

You'd be surprised how much was changed and or added due to live feedback

[gleaming yacht]

You guys are reacting no but I don't even own the cape, it's not a matter of personal interest to me. I don't understand building a beta testing model that inevitably gets people into collecting to conduct the tests, and then removing everything. Besides, older cosmetics still need testing with newer ones. I really don't see the issue with preserving cosmetic history for your accounts.

[wispy obsidian]

Ah, I was never a tester so I never had the experience of updating XD

[late sonnet]

my argument stands the same
whether you have 999 hearts or the 999 invis cape, the faq has always stated that progress can and will be wiped

[shrewd needle]

I know some people got cosmetics through hacks in beta, so I understand them resetting.

[valid briar]

I understand how upsetting it is to lose all your progress in beta, but I don't see a valid reason to be mad/rude to others in this community.
Beta is meant for testing and I kinda expected my acc to be wiped at any moment.

[rugged kindle]

Yep, beta is pretty much a boat on the rough waters. You'll never know if you'll still have the items. Live is just more secure generally

[potent forge]

Testing older cosmetics is important, yes, but there are ways to do that without accounts with long history. TGC can (and should) unlock all old cosmetics for beta testers for thorough testing.
That would also avoid the risk of betas receiving a cosmetic from IAP shop that is then changed, and they then can't receive the updated variant, as I recall I have seen in these channels.

[strong sentinel]

I was preparing myself ever since the new system with how we get cosmetics in beta appeared

[carmine tulip]

So sky beta becomes similar to Genshin beta, I think?

Anyway I think info from beta will be leaked tho even if people sign NDA

[gritty mountain]

Nah it's about NDAs more than beta or cosmetics

[stiff tusk]

That's probably why they're changing it, as they realised it was unfair on testers to be putting in so much time for something that could be removed. And I get your point, but I don't think it's as simple as that. From the sounds of it, the new beta will be an entirely new app. So I don't know if it'd be possible to just "move it all over". And again, we have no idea how they're going to treat this. For all we know beta players may start anew with everything, every cosmetics. Or they might start from the beginning. There's no point kicking up a ruckas about something we don't even know for certain yet

[frank whale]

I double dog dare any beta tester to do sand mandalas

[fast skiff]

It was always part of the deal

[late sonnet]

Besides, older cosmetics still need testing with newer ones. I really don't see the issue with preserving cosmetic history for your accounts.

and again, there is nothing stopping you from submitting #live-feedback when the items reach live
beta is not for cosmetic previews

[wispy obsidian]

testers will be contacted directly, they will know who each and every tester is so hacking/leaking would be heavily discouraged

[glossy void]

Closed beta for Two Embers seasons mean they are cooking

[proven pendant]

Yeah that’s what I mean by no priority lol. They’re putting their games functionality as their goal. They can follow their schedule and plan new mechanics I rlly don’t nitpick on that and if anything it’s welcome. But I wish they would I guess, “care” more??? To clarify, I’m a player who cares too much about this sort of relationship between company and consumer, it seems like emotional overreacting on my part but I can’t help it.

[idle nexus]

I remember once I met someone on sky who said they were new. I was nice and said that I hope you have fun. Then cy said, "If they're new, they shouldn't have that item. They're a hacker."

I didn't even register it at the time, because I only focused on them saying they were new.

[mental hull]

The bad part is that not everyone has this thought about. I mostly report bugs instead of feedbacking, but for the times i saw, most people use feedback just to complain about clothes without even being nice or calm about it

I say this because many good or interesting feedbacks might not be seen because its on the middle of complains about wanting a cape in a different color

[desert coyote]

Beta never was permanent like the global. Its just testing

[fair socket]

Imagine if whole sky changed/revamp due to two embers (Im dreaming)

[orchid nexus]

I'm looking at both sides: one one hand, yes people have invested time in beta accounts (in spite of the perennial warning that beta is not permanent) and will feel it as a loss. on the other hand, TGC has some new goals for the beta program, and allowing sweeping changes to accounts may really benefit their ability to provide testing that better represents the player-base of the production game. I heard years ago about TGC wanting to reset accounts more frequently, and wanting to seed accounts with different setups to get better coverage, so I think this came after a lot of internal deliberation

[eternal geode]

Though live still be my main place to play, however, it's sure that I put a lot effort on beta.

Although everyone said that the beta has the possibility of deleting, I just feel that as beta players, we have no rewards at all in the live server. It is quite pitiful.

I still remember how many players participated in the test when the PC version was about to be launched. Now that it was almost done, tgc kicked us out.

In the end, the people we met in beta met each other because of sky, and we will be separated due to the meet.

[shrewd needle]

I mostly report bugs as well. Cosmetics are simply a matter of opinion and don't need to be fixed,

[carmine tulip]

Thanks god I spent more time in live than on beta.

Or do people exist who spent more time on beta than on live?

[naive solar]

In the same sentence, you've assumed all beta players would only submit positive feedback about upcoming content without having any criticisms of it, and labelled them to be white knights, a harmful term used for players trying to explain what they deem to be positive.

I personally have had concerns about this space largely being used to monitor upcoming cosmetics instead of actual testing. I do think it's harmful for what beta spaces actually entail, and it results in slots being taken up by people who just want lighter grind and free IAPs when they could be used as efficiently as possible by people who may be more focused on actually testing the game. These testers are going to be a part of the community and will volunteer, and there will be a mixture of people who do and don't enjoy what is in development.

Not to mention it was revealed that people being picked for development are going to change in the next cycle so they don't get the same type of feedback from the same type of player, essentially broadening what kind of feedback they may get. It's way, way too early to make decisive comments on what is going to happen

[gleaming yacht]

You are right about that. But I don't believe blame can only be pinned on the players who are upset. I'm sure most of them were aware of potential wipes, but that has never happened with account history/progress in the many years of beta (at least after the official release of Sky). And retaining this model that encourages players to farm INEVITABLY leads people to bond with their account, especially when this continues for years. I am not personally affected almost at all, and TGC has every right to do this, but their approach could definitely have been different for the past years instead of a 180 degree sudden turn.

[proven pendant]

Right? Thats what I mean when I say they don’t seem to care. (Yeah yeah I know they do) but emotionally? Hell nah. No comfort, no reassurance, no rewarding or anything. It’s getting ridiculous at this point

[desert coyote]

I hope the feedback channel and bug reports become better with this change. Because some bugs stays for years even reporting

[fair socket]

Its probably because of cosmetic they’ll never get in live and i understand that

[ashen tusk]

I just checked and I've submitted 475 bugs in beta I don't know if that's a lot but it feels like a good chunk

[stiff tusk]

It has actually! Not to cosmetics, but we all had our igc reset about two years ago

[late sonnet]

I also acknowledge the irony of me saying beta isn't a cosmetic showcase preview and I also run the beta log
but I've always accepted that it's just a fun side thing I'm fortunate to be allowed to continue maintaining on the server, following voi's beta archive which helped me significantly before I became a tester

[shrewd needle]

I understand it is a little sad how only us testers who were in beta before live released got that beta cape in live (cyan with white inside).

[simple spoke]

Gotta remember that beta is a testing server made for reviewing items and events and checking for bugs and other gaming issues. Beta is always subject to change. But also I want to note that it would make a bit more sense to release the invisible cape to live since they'll be no point in having it beta with the resets

[shy warren]

True, people shouldn’t be that mad over losing their beta progress because it’s been stated before that access is not permanent.
I do agree that the change will have disadvantages. The good side about current testing is that even live players are able to give feedback about upcoming items because they tend to make most of good ones IAPs. Also they do make some unnecessary changes as well. So a big community with such variety of opinions is better for us.
But also all of you that hate this idea need to realize that some amount of testers are using beta just for their own usage not to give feedback. Closed tester group will be faster and clearer with reports. Now if u look at the bug reports there can be hundreds describing the same issue.
So yeah it is a big change but it’s nothing crazy. Most of todays games have closed beta tester communities with NDAs signed

[azure pumice]

That's 475 more than some people 😆

[mental hull]

Specially with now the dye mechanics, i am doing small details i like. I just get saddened whenever i see people on tik tok complaining and complaining about items when you can just not buy it

[strong sentinel]

Definitely more than me because I was slacking with job taking all my energy last year

[naive solar]

Fair! I don't know what would have been the best approach anyway, I think this is ok for me too

[gleaming yacht]

also this in my opinion is not the best approach, I understand that it probably happens due to time constraints but it would definitely help tgc in the long run if live tickets for small stuff like this were unnecessary. fixing things before the live version is always preferable ofc

[stiff tusk]

You are so real for that😌
(Me too)

[rugged kayak]

aaah okay i understand you even more now!!

but even then it just comes down to... sadly there's just nothing that can be done. idk i've been a beta tester since 2019 and in my own experience i've felt that, all things considered, the devs have been doing pretty alright in terms of caring abt the beta players, even despite all the frustrations i've had at them over many things. i'm sorry, i'm just a more "it is what it is" sort of person i guess. i just want to stress that i do absolutely understand your pov ;v;

[idle nexus]

Would it make you feel better if TGC offered something to beta players as a goodbye present? Like an item for live that shows that they were part of beta before the beta apocalypse?

That actually might be a cool idea. I'll submit feedback about that.

[shrewd needle]

How did you check the number of reports that you have done?

[floral crystal]

I am gonna miss being able to see the upcoming cosmetics, but hopefully these changes improve the quality of Sky in the long run

[rugged kindle]

I will say, even if beta testers are private, they still have big impact to the game. See Light Awaits' testers and how much they've improved the game architecture to today

[proven pendant]

Doesn’t even have to be a cosmetic. Just a letter of goodbye, or some sentimental message. This all feels so cold

[simple spoke]

Is there any chance the invisible cape could make it's way to live? I don't see much point of it in beta with all the changes coming

[warped geode]

[astral gulch]

I haven't been in beta for long, I was lucky to get in and now it turns out I have to wait for the same luck to get back in since my account is going to be deleted.

[fickle shore]

Sometimes we just can't help it. It's normal human behaviour to get attached to something you've worked hard for and played in for an extensive period of time. Yes, we can be warned this, but some will get more attached than TGC wants, and we can't blame them for being attached

[ashen tusk]

If you go into the bug channel of whichever platform you reported for and then search "mention: [your user]"

[stiff tusk]

No you're still held by the tos sorry

[naive solar]

Agree, testing being private may even have an immensely positive impact on live version, but I expect it will be rocky in its first stages given the lack of public access for PC and android.

[orchid nexus]

general note: anyone who's upset about changes to beta is perfectly justified in being upset. I think TGC folks know that lots of beta testers would be upset, so I don't think they chose this path without considering people's feelings. I've got some very ancient beta stuff in my own account that I'll miss in a superficial sense, but I'm optimistic about the change

[strong sentinel]

Next goal
If I get into new beta program to make at leats 150 reports a year

[rugged kindle]

I hope so! And the CMs will provide more ahead of time information for future season and events to live players

@warped geode hey 🫵 fossil /j

@naive solar agreed, but I'm positive that tgc has the concrete plans behind scenes for Sky's future

[gritty mountain]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to generalize perhaps it was my bad wording, but I was concerned that even small minor details about some cosmetics would be ignored.. if they employed so few beta testers which they said would be only iOS

[lapis flame]

It's not fair for TGC to delete our beta accounts
and the effort we put into it?
the affection we have for her?
doesn't mean anything to them?
They just say "it's going to be like this and I'm the one who decides"

[proven pendant]

Telling people to not get attached and to just accept the fact this is happening is wild. It’s not even tgc, it’s our fellow members saying this to people who are upset right now. WOW

[oak field]

Since the Beta version will be removed, RIP INVISIBLE CAPE 😭

[timber grotto]

also i think this helps a lot with no long spreading rumors and misinformation in the community honestly...

[golden sparrow]

I just dunno how I feel about the 18 plus requirement.. like how are they going to find this out? Because I’m 99% sure that it would require ID

[tawdry pine]

I got the og triumph instruments and the switch capes, the sacrifices are worth it if it means beta testing improves and such, live improves

[carmine tulip]

I just want to go through wind barrier...

[sudden pine]

in order to sign a legal document yes you will probably have to provide your real name and ID

[idle nexus]

Definitely submit feedback about it. I don't think TGC wants the beta testers to feel slighted by all of this, so if you'd like them to do something for a send-off and it's doable for them then I think they will.

[potent forge]

It is fair because it has always been part of the agreement when making a beta account. You're allowed to be upset about this, but you also need to understand you may have had a wrong idea of what the beta version is for.

[ashen tusk]

Omg I forgot about the triumph instruments, so many scrapped or delayed items that we'll all be saying bye to, I wonder if we'll get to see them in live at some point

[stiff tusk]

It is a fact of beta, we are told before was start and reminded once a year they could be wiped. I understand your upset, but it is the tos of beta
Live is the account to be attached to❤️

[warped geode]

Omg I haven’t heard my real name in such a long time

[gleaming yacht]

I feel like many people will always try to take the company's side first. It's important to realise just how different tgc's situation has become since sky was released tbh

[wispy obsidian]

because it is suggested to not be attached in the first place given the nature of the beta server in general

[fair socket]

Still mourning that white fur ushanka hat to this day….

[shrewd needle]

I couldn't figure out how to enter my username correctly.

[orchid nexus]

earlier, someone suggested an aurora concern get-together for a final hurrah. TGC doesn't even have to organize it, we can do that right here together!

[golden sparrow]

That makes me pretty uncomfortable then 😭

[timber grotto]

goodbye crab cape , I'm still glad you got replaced by the crab pumpkin accessory /lhj

[oak field]

I got the invisible cape with great difficulty, but it will be gone after the Beta is removed, lol I'm starting to hate tgc 😑

[carmine tulip]

Okay. It doesn't stop me to break wind barrier.

I like OOBS and go through textures too much

[proven pendant]

Bro. What about the people who did get attached??? I can’t- am I the only one placing my shoes in someone who feels loss???

[tawdry pine]

Triumph bugle/assembly ult my beloved, still upset it wasn't it who got to live but oh well, enjoyed my time with it in beta and maybe I'll see it in live one day

[stiff tusk]

Fam I think we need a post about beta and not getting attached again /hj

[lapis flame]

yes I know
However, Sky Beta was/is our second home in Sky, Skykid is our companion there, as are the friends we made there.

[wispy obsidian]

Beta isn't meant for people to get attached to, it's meant for devs to get feedback on stuff before they release it in live. Losing it all does suck I'm sure, but it never should have been expected to keep any of it all indifinitely in the first place

[oak field]

Please help TGC change their minds, I hope you all protest against TGC, don't just stay silent, you have Beta progress through struggle

[rugged kindle]

I will see, I feel this change is a long way coming. I've seen rampant misinformation all over socials about content being tested in beta and they've venerated upsetting behaviours in the community - which some of it directly negatively affected me.

So I'm hopeful that this will improve the general community in the socials ❤️

[boreal thistle]

Create beta server where players have to grind and play the same way as live (just with a candle buff)
Have exclusive items and keep it up for years
Players get attached??? HOW???
(surprised pikachu face)

[potent forge]

Again, there is nothing wrong with being attached or being upset. But that is not TGC's fault. There is a difference between mourning an account and character with lots of history, and blaming a game development company for things that are an integral part of developing a game.

[late sonnet]

it is not encouraged to campaign for feedback in beta

you are free to give your opinions about this update in #beta-feedback though

[ashen tusk]

you'd type it like "mentions: ing_6140" without the " on either side

[warped geode]

Same, there are some really great friends i made there in beta and I don’t even know them outside of the beta, I will just loose them 😔

[ember ore]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/718595027990741022/1351259539961286687 do you mean the "A Word of Gratitude" section at the end of this post?

[golden sparrow]

I’m pretty attached to my beta account aswell, but it seems that some people here are being quite un compassionate about it so those who got attached are AWARE that beta is not permanent but that still doesn’t change the fact we got attached. There’s no need to be so cold and uncaring in this time.

[proven pendant]

@potent forge dude. I’m not even upset at tgc, it’s you guys at this rate. Man I thought we would be reassuring eachother but nah

Yeah I need a breather lol I’m too sentimental for this sort of thing 😭 I can’t with people who are straight forward

[fickle shore]

fair

[naive solar]

This has always been repeated in beta spaces. Your beta account never belonged to you - it was always TGC's. Testers volunteered acknowledging the risks, knowing content would be released in a broken, unfinished state. Everything a person needed to know about beta has always existed in #beta-faq. They are perfectly valid in feeling upset but they should not assume TGC is removing everything and restricting access out of malice

[gleaming yacht]

This is exactly what I'm trying to convey, we can get into technicalities and prove that players are 100% in the wrong but has tgc developed their beta model accordingly?

[shy warren]

Well it is fair and square. It’s been stated that beta progress is not permanent nothing there is so if u tried hard to build it it’s only unlucky that they will remove the current progress. Now the other thing I’d agree to discuss is is it necessary to remove it all since old testers have a chance to test it in the future.
Well new beta testing era new start for everyone I guess

[lost swan]

I do personally think resetting everyones accounts is not the best idea, cuz bugs can still happen to old items, so if no one has those items we can't find those bugs, then the bugs could possibly come to live

[stiff tusk]

Someone put it well earlier, but I agree this is part of why people are attached. And probably why they're changing beta. As they saw that, and knew it needed to be fixed. The way bluebird season worked with cosmetics, and being able to get them all straight away mostly without candles, is probably what to expect from the new beta.
(Alas though I am not an employee so have no real gauge, but going off what we've seen its fair to assume)

[orchid nexus]

Progress wipes and data resets have been warned about in beta since the beginning. TGC maybe got themselves into a bind by not resetting accounts more frequently just so players would be comfortable with it. But it's a fact of the beta program, and ultimately beta exists to serve the function of beta testing, not to retain players. I guarantee they know it's upsetting to some players

[vapid quiver]

Goodbye all my beta capes..... i wont miss you that much....

[rugged kayak]

i'm so sorry to be blunt, genuinely, but that's on them. if one reads the faq and other infos before joining beta, you had to have seen the bits about not being attached and not using the beta as an alt account for sky.

do i feel bad for them? absolutely, but sometimes things are just. unfair. that's that. not everything can go your way in life, and this is just a video game

for the record i am also autistic and this is also my biggest comfort game. so don't try to say i don't care about the game or the people who play and get attached to it. i also am very attached to it. i'm attached to my beta account! i've had it sinxe 2019 season of lightseekers beta! that's the 2nd season of sky! i just also read the rules and have to understand that anything can happen

[late sonnet]

people have been validating the sad thoughts though
you can be both sad and objective in presenting the facts

I'm sad, but understanding of what's necessary to improve the game

[ember ore]

The new system isn't very luck based! Anyone can submit applications, and TCG will be selecting applicants -> No more trying to beat the clock/other testers to click on the link download!

[gritty mountain]

What if we are not from the US, and our govt doesn't allow sharing our data and personal information online? This NDA had me worrying; I want to keep doing beta work even with NDA, but idk if my country's laws allow sharing personal info with foreign game teams.

[orchid nexus]

@oak field I removed your message. trying to campaign or spam or attack the discord server isn't something we can allow

[warped geode]

[rain delta]

Tbh, if that was their goal, they never should have had you spend time to collect currencies in beta then. It should have just been given to you.

You can’t blame people for feeling attached to content they worked for

[craggy gull]

I do wish that TGC gave a little more heads up about the beta change, it feels like a short amount of time for some beta testers to be aware.

[proven pendant]

THANK YOU. For the love of god, have people forgotten compassion?? And I already know beta resets people don’t have to tell twice in an effort to justify what’s happening

[golden sparrow]

This is not the point. Those who are attached are aware that beta would be reset at some point. It still doesn’t change the fact they hold sentimental value in their beta account..

[desert coyote]

Maybe its because some people use beta as it was the live and they dont play live

[strong sentinel]

I am VERY sad because my skid is not able to get 0 height in live and I was a 0 height in beta since day 3 after getting in

[oak field]

Ah lol
Just giving a voice but it already seems very dangerous for your game

[potent forge]

Then unfortunately, that may mean you can't participate in the beta. You will still be able to play the live game.

[sudden pine]

i do not know how they will handle that

[vapid quiver]

Agree on this, 3 days is pretty sudden lol

[floral hound]

Just wanted to say a little thank you to the beta community 🫶 Thank you for all of the time you folks have put in to testing to help us live players end up with a much smoother experience (bugs permitting 👀😂). You have been our much- loved hype squad for years now (while also being incredibly funny and entertaining 🤭) and I hope you will all keep that going despite the closure of public beta as we know it. Cheers beta 👏❤️

[orchid nexus]

you have a voice, and you don't have to like the change. it's not my game though, I'm a moderator and a fellow player, not TGC staff

[naive solar]

It should have just been given to you.
This would place players in a situation where they didn't have to play the game, and would invite people who have no intention of testing to take up slots which would be more useful if it was occupied by someone who wanted to contribute. Actively playing is a very important part of testing

[stiff tusk]

If anything, the new system will be more fair on people getting accepted!

[ashen tusk]

It's absolutely okay to feel sentimental attachment, testers have spent time and energy in beta and though we all know everything can be lost in the blink of an eye, loss can still be a difficult thing to process as a human! Remember that whilst TGC are making these choices to benefit Sky as a whole, it doesn't take away any of their appreciation for the efforts we've put in to test, bug report, and feedback over the years. Your feelings over the changes are valid and I'm sure TGC are aware that the change will bring about mixed emotions

[rugged kayak]

implying other people don't have any sort of compassion or empathy simply because they understand what's going on is rather rude. like that actually makes me mad. i'm done now. looking forward to continuing to beta test.

[wispy obsidian]

Do they not need to be aware if something is wrong with the acquisition of currencies to obtain items? I agree less grind overall would be fantastic but if they need to test something the way they intend for it to be accessed in live then that means grind in beta too.

[late sonnet]

most importantly beta is where I became friends with bubba and it's been bootiful 🫵

[storm palm]

Those of us who have star pins in beta... IF we get back to beta can we bind them again??? I helped to test star pins in beta

[rain latch]

I've spent five years testing for every single season, event, given feedback, bug reports, it just feels like an emptiness getting completely blocked from being able to help test anymore. 🥺

[idle nexus]

When it comes to digital items, I feel like there's always a chance that a reset or loss can happen. It's just in the nature of it. If it's not physical, then you never really owned it and the developers can make you lose access at any point.

It's still sad, because we've all spent many hours on beta, finding friends, bugs and worms along the way. And we've all gotten attached too. To not be attached would be a weird thing. But it is what it is. Hopefully the next round of beta testing will bring us back together. But the friends you made here can still be friends outside of it too.

[oak field]

Up to you

[orchid nexus]

take a moment if you're arguing with others about attachment to beta: it's ok to be upset, and it's ok to be discussing ways to accept the change. those points of view can exist together in this chat, and even in a single person here (like me, that's how I feel!)

[flat thorn]

What the heck prompted tgc to do this

[rugged kindle]

I've made quite few friends in skycord thanks to open beta channels but still, I can be active in other channels like SEC and QNH and it's still the same fun

[shrewd needle]

You know, I actually like this reset. Back in 2022, my best beta friend died during the testing of Season of The Little Prince. That depressed me so much that I almost dropped beta and never fully completed a season since then.

I will miss capeless, but being able to start all over again is uplifting.

[rigid snow]

wowzers RIP MY RED POPPY FLOWER lol

[golden sparrow]

More than likely the leakers

[ashen tusk]

I am so grateful to have met you and so many wonderful friends through beta, I'm glad that I got to connect with so many outside of beta too! I hope that despite the changes, there'll be plenty more opportunities to make more memories with all the cool sky kids here

[proven pendant]

Look. It was towards those who are replying to those in loss that this was gonna happen anyways. It comes off as very cold and dismisses people who literally held attachment to it. Please don’t take it that way I didn’t mean it like that

[vapid quiver]

Probably something big? Idk

[boreal thistle]

If only making beta users grind actually turned into reduced grind in live... (4x wax in live when 😤😤😤)

[craggy stream]

leakers, and also they probably want the content of the two embers to be a surprise

[wispy obsidian]

Likely Two Embers testing coming up, also hacker prevention and many other reasons, testers going forward will be contacted directly by TGC staff so if someone leaks info they can quickly figure out who it was

[late sonnet]

the true beta are the friends we made along the way
screaming over the game exploding

[orchid nexus]

the real beta is the beta we made along the beta

[oak field]

It seems like tgc is starting to lose money by giving away free iap in Beta, maybe

[frank slate]

Gentle reminder that if you posted screenshots or videos in the beta channels that you may have scattered and unorganized on your devices, that it might be good to search yourself and save them in a central place where you can find them before we lose access to these channels.

[flat thorn]

but werent the leaks helping people plan?

Also two embers is understandable but i might get a bit anxious not being able to plan ahead. And what about people who rely on beta for content?

[golden sparrow]

The only thing that sucks is my only form of ID is my passport or birth certificate 😭

[rugged kindle]

🫂 my condolences I hope that someday you can get into beta testing with the same passion for the game (and fingers crossed I get to test with you and hunt the bugs )

[naive solar]

These are very valid concerns that you should share with TGC!

[midnight mason]

Before.. I was sort of attached to my beta but now? I think I've changed, for some reason I just don't care for a few things the past days (in general and online), I feel free to be honest

Struggled in beta but I already struggled harder in Live!. Spent a few real money on cosmetics , while beta is "free"

(tho I didn't try to make friends with any of you.. I'm sorry, I was scared honestly- or anxiety?)

[proven pendant]

Yeah that’s what’s got some ppl here in an uproar, it’s very double edged

[craggy stream]

Even in other games (such as genshin), leaks have unfortunately been the only way that f2p have been able to save up in time

[lilac solstice]

The issue is people shouldn't rely on beta to plan in the first place. Nothing is ever certain until its shipped to live

[rain delta]

I’m just saying it shouldn’t be my job to test 6 year old mechanics. Mechanics that have been in the game for 6 years already. Why should beta testers be focusing on testing if wax is being properly collected when that’s a regression test for internal QA? As a beta tester, it makes no sense to retest existing mechanics when those are already stress tested in live.
Just saying

[orchid nexus]

I don't think speculation about how personal the NDA might get will be helpful at this point. I have signed an NDA with TGC, and (I hope this doesn't violate the terms of the NDA) I didn't have to give them my ID

[fair socket]

Also after beta closed, i heard it will be exclusive to people who signed the NDA and iOS users that will take part in testing? Or will there be new beta wave and then someone log in back the game normally like it used to

[shrewd needle]

Getting to start as a moth again feels like a way to brush away that sad time.

[vapid quiver]

Tbh im more upset about losing contact with my beta friends when anything

[ashen tusk]

beta beta beta beta beta beta beta beta beta beta !!

[woeful obsidian]

I want a backup on my device. 😔

[rugged kindle]

To be honest. Whatever was being shared in open beta channels is never 1:1 with live at times

[stiff tusk]

I understand and am in the same boat. But I can also see that TGC is, at least just for now, only releasing to iOS as a safety precaution as they sought things out. I am sure that they will be working towards getting a platform for testing back to android and PC.

I'm sure that in the future we'll have a chance to be testers again, we just have to understand that they are trying to do what's best for their game, and in turn, for us.

We are their audience after all, I promise they listen to us, wallet first or not❤️

[flat thorn]

Well, i haven’t seen any major changes that have completely confused live players

[oak field]

Tgc doesn't care about your progress in beta, all progress in Beta requires struggle, because of this, I started to be lazy to report bugs to tgc, I will no longer report bugs that have already occurred, because they tgc do not appreciate the struggle of the beta players

[naive solar]

I doubt you're testing 6 year old mechanics specifically, I'd say the purpose of candle running in beta is to see different areas and whether those areas function properly or not. That was my general approach

[storm palm]

Where can we asks questions about the new beta rotations? I have quetions about star pins in beta and them being bound to the old beta acconts

[proven pendant]

If beta is supposed to be an environment where resets are expected then why did they allow the function of collecting currency and grind??? It should’ve just been testing no?

[idle nexus]

That actually makes me feel a lot better. My id picture is horrid and no one needs to be forced to see it. Not even me.

[craggy stream]

But it still gave us a roadmap to plan for any extreme expenses || (like prince return)||

[lilac solstice]

I actually appreciate this a lot. I was curious about that aspect of signing NDAs but ofc I know it's all a big WAFO anyways

[restive compass]

Basically sky gonna adapt the big game beta style of closed beta under NDA, no more leaks unless yall want lawyers knocking at your door in the near future.

[gritty mountain]

What if our country has law against sharing personal info with foreign enterprises, game company

[vapid quiver]

I should probably go ask them if they wanna be friends on live

[ember ore]

I understand you're feeling sad, but you're not completely blocked...

TGC is working on android and PC testing with the new system, and you can apply for the new beta!

[rugged kindle]

I encourage you to add them in live or outside socials

@craggy stream with this change I think the official live channels will give ahead of time teases and such

[warped geode]

[odd lintel]

…well i guess i won’t get to feel the joy of obtaining an elder mask again until the rest of them release, cuz i was supposed to be getting Isle elder mask on beta this Sunday 😭

[boreal thistle]

The definitely-NOT-funny thing is it's probably not even gonna work seeing how people who do that are already used to dodging big companies

[orchid nexus]

that's a bigger question than I can answer, unfortunately. maybe put something into your beta application if they give room for adding details like that. I hope it works out for you!

[wispy obsidian]

I was thinking this too! Since not everyone can just go look in the beta channels, I'm hoping this means more frequent/in-depth teases going forward

[craggy stream]

oooh!! yay, thats the one thing i was concerned about. my candles would be gone by now if i did not realize sword pants were returning LOL

[rain delta]

Again, isn’t that a regression test?

Shouldn’t the focus of testing be on new features that have been added?
For example, if you added a new way for new players to interact with one another at the start of the game, what should beta players focus on? collecting wax from every location in the map to make sure wax can still be collected properly, OR ensuring the feature plays as expected. I.E what is it like being an old player interacting with this new player, what is it like being a new player interacting with another new player.

[stiff tusk]

I see it as, running through the game is still a part of the game. Things can break in updates that they don't expect to break. And if players have no need to be going through the game as they normally would in live, then those issues will probably get missed.

I understand the frustration, but beta is voluntary time you give to help improve their game.

It's not for the testers benefits, it is for the benefits of the players in live. Again, beta is voluntary.

[restive compass]

Oml hi fellow limbus fan?
But yeh we already see how this type of beta works oh so well for hoyo and their millions of fans.

[storm palm]

The reason for candle running is to check other maps out to see what may have broken with new coding/updates

[rugged kindle]

Thank you so much for the info. I think it's not nda violating term, it's probably just a quick general info

[warped geode]

[strong sentinel]

Or find random holes in walls/floor

[fast skiff]

There won’t be a beta wave in the ‘traditional sense’ this time, only those who submit the application form, get accepted, and sign the NDA will have access. Anyone currently in beta will need to reapply if they want to stay in the program.

More nfo: #beta-faq

[proven pendant]

I already know it’s voluntary lol never said it wasn’t. I’m only questioning the grind aspect, I mean heck, someone just chatted that they were saving for a mask in beta. If they wanted to absolutely make sure no one would have attachments in the cosmetics side of things, they could’ve restricted it to only testing

[vast grail]

Or pink walls

[mild flume]

Just finished reading the news while commuting back to home and aw man! I will lose some Beta TGC staffs that I added along some group tests

[rain delta]

My argument is that becomes a regression test. Imagine being a beta tester in Genshin and every time you start a new patches beta tester, you have to sit through 72+ hours of content. you’re going to be wasting time.
In the time you take to get a new tester up and running, you will have burned them out by the time they get caught up on new content

[obsidian patrol]

idk why people are saying that having all cosmetics freely available means that people will have no incentive to candle run. like. isnt that the job of the tester to play the game? is that not how you play the game? reducing fomo and attachment to specific items by making them available to everyone seems logical to me

[wispy obsidian]

They have to test the game as if it's live to the best of their ability and that includes the grind

[ember ore]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/718595027990741022/1351259539961286687 For Now it will be iOS because iOS has security features that makes it easier for TGC, they're working on android and PC testing

[lapis flame]

and why will only iOS have access?
since most players are android?!

[shy warren]

I mean it is sad especially to old testers, I loved that I had the Ocarina instrument there so besides giving feedback I could sometimes enjoy it too and chill there with instruments I wasn’t able to buy in live
Tho they did state pretty clearly that we shouldn’t pay attention to progress on beta since it’s not permanent and progress can change within an update. So it’s okay to be sentimental but not mad? People be out here calling TGC out trying to feedback their way to make this inevitable decision not happen and it’s just plainly stupid

[rugged kindle]

At very least I think this would reduce chances of leakers (I'm not saying it'll be zero) and have a better quality group of testers for sky development (and tgc has their own team of hired QA testers to do the job beyond us volunteer beta testers.

[shrewd needle]

Ha! This reminds me of my very first run in beta in June 2019. When I got to the Forest temple, there was a hole in the back of one level of the platform under the elder shrine. I reported that right away.

[fair socket]

Oohh i see, is it to heighten the security and more restrictions?

[flat thorn]

what will hapen to the 999 heart capeless cape? Atp can we just make it live

[storm palm]

The whole point is to test everything we possibly can...especially with new updates/events. Cosmetics, spells, areas, look for broken textures, missing textures and etc

[stiff tusk]

A little bit of a moot point as sky is no where as big as Genshin and plays differently.

[naive solar]

No? You can still test the upcoming content but it also helps to see if the new content broke the areas you were candle running in. If Sanctuary got broken and it overlapped with the area of the Days of Nature area from way back in 2022, you could not have known about it unless you took your time to play through it. That's what I'm trying to say

[warped geode]

Yeah and when being kicked out, well it wouldn’t matter for the cosmetics since they will always be here when reapplying for beta

[golden sparrow]

Oh no ofc, I was more talking about the players who were being very cold about it

[boreal thistle]

What surprises me is the idea that they weren't already doing paid testing for the "random noclipping in that one tree in HF that only happens if you're height 1-2" stuff and the beta we know was supposed to be anything more than getting player feedback on stuff before it's too late...

[orchid nexus]

from a beta player's point of view, I appreciate everyone who participates, and will miss some of the OG beta names in my constellation, even ones who haven't played for years. In addition to any grievances about the change, I hope you all have made lasting friendships here like I have. From just slightly more inside information than most players have, I know that staff wouldn't do this without thinking of y'all as well and how it will impact you

[naive solar]

In beta's current state, this sounds like it invites people to occupy tester slots that could have been taken by people who want to contribute to testing. I've seen a lot of people only wanting access to beta because of lighter grind and free IAPs as opposed to contributing, hence it being an incentive for those types of players to not candle run

[rain delta]

Yea sounds like video game development in a nutshell tbh. Burn people out and once you get the most out of them and then dispose of them for the next set of testers to do the same.
I’m not even saying they should give stuff for free. I’m just saying they need to do targeted testing. So these accounts don’t have a personal connection to them.

I remember at one point there was discussions about starting accounts with different levels of progress. This type of stuff, is what I think is needed.

[astral surge]

teeny bit sad that i’ll lose the five years i’ve had on beta, but at the same time i am desperate for the hard reset bc i’ve had so many issues with other players refusing to help out in beta or refusing any friendships at all? so hopefully this time around since everyone is starting from the ground up, i’ll be able to have better activity as a result of only really having people who want to help there. and all 18+ means a little less of a strange hierarchy. even in beta it was impossible to get away from people only wanting to add you if you are a veteran or have good cosmetics when all beta is for is for testing

[stiff tusk]

I'm 90% certain they have internal testers. The main point of community betas is a larger testing pool on different models of devices

Anyway y'all I'm off now, see you

[languid sandal]

I wonder if i'll ever make it back into Beta in the future? Guess i'll just have to 🧇

[gilded parrot]

it's raaaaining crabs

[warped geode]

But what about testing new cosmetics with old cosmetics ? Item clipping etc. Cosmetics would be part of the testing..

But I agree with you on that.

[gritty mountain]

I really hope they give us some sort of box to check and not ask full on personal info. Like my full legal name or home address and such. I wish to continue being a beta tester even with NDA tho. But That would not fly in my country.

[wispy obsidian]

beta testing is voluntary, if people are being burned out they need to take a break for a bit.

[naive solar]

The idea of unlocking all cosmetics now sounds feasible because TGC is changing how beta program works

[shrewd needle]

It is approaching 11 PM, so I'll love ya and leave ya. Have a good day/night, everyone!

[late sonnet]

when the items hit live, #live-feedback

[gilded parrot]

🎵 Prairie roads, take me home... To the place I belooong... Golden Wasteland... Forest mama... 🎵

[boreal thistle]

Gee, I sure wonder why players might be enticed to start over on a beta program just for easier CRs /lh

[flat thorn]

Do you have any idea what will happen to the 999 heart cape? Nobody will be able to get enough in time

[ember ore]

"🔹For now, iOS-only access
Security improvements and preventing hacked leaks are a big focus for the next iteration of the beta program. Our team is working on ways to strengthen security for all current beta platforms. It will take time for us to get Android and PC security protocols up to the level we need, so for now at least, beta testing will be limited to iOS devices."
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/718595027990741022/1351259539961286687

[warped geode]

Exactly !

[open frigate]

Now I'm going to ask you something, can we apply to join the beta again? For example, I was testing the Sky errors on my device or the incoming content. This is what I generally did. Will I be able to do this again or is it completely closed for everyone?

[vast grail]

I think I will miss my full 10 constellations and 4 pages of friends there. It’s been such a great memory meeting everyone and testing. And a lot of my beta friends are organic (in game). I’ve accidentally met two friends from beta when I play live too, and they were also organic. And met an entire group of helpful kids also from beta. Just again thank you to a lot of players here who helped out the most in your own way.

I hope they bring the 10 favourite cons to live soon

[opaque veldt]

Isn't this a good thing? some people use videos updated earlier than Beta to get huge views, and some people make profits by selling Beta test quota

[orchid nexus]

I don't want to appear too much on TGC's side, because I have my own opinions, but I was definitely bummed about seeing floods of beta hackers appear in the past, and that kind of activity did contribute to my own reduced participation in beta

[rain delta]

Tbh, clipping issues do get reported in beta. But, these are not priority issues to be fixed. So they often make it live, even in live some of these take time to get fixed. Mostly cause they’re not game breaking bugs

[late sonnet]

....isn't that iterally illegal and against tos to sell your beta account

[craggy gull]

I think a bunch of players testing as moths could potentially give more feedback for new players coming to the game. A lot of beta testers have been around for a long time, so it might help give the devs more perspectives on how to improve the game for newcomers.

[warped geode]

Not only that but pairing cosmetics together as well. Not just clipping issues.

[orchid nexus]

it's against the "rules" but when it's rampant, it's really hard to enforce

[proven pendant]

Yeah now that I think about it, a majority of beta testers weren’t actually doing their job to find bugs and stuff. Beta invites seem like some specialized thing for exclusive access and I think that’s the real motivator, to just be called a beta tester. Yeah I can see why it’s better to just reset everything.

Keyword majority. Not talking about the people who actually do help like you cy

[ember ore]

You can! More information will come out soon, along with an application form!

[gilded parrot]

Finally, I'm free! I'm freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I'm-

[rain delta]

You’re not wrong about that. I’m just saying, it makes more sense from a productive standpoint, to make the best use of your volunteers when they are at their best - I.e it makes little sense to burn them out with mundane repeated experiences.

Also since it’s voluntary, most people probably don’t even grind in beta. I know I didn’t for sure.
I have 30 regular candles, barely complete seasons in beta and focused most of my energy on playing events and seasonal quests. I don’t think I was the only one of my kind of testers

[astral surge]

yeah people seemed to get away with too much on beta and i’m glad it’ll be more locked down. i honestly have nothing against signing an nda since i don’t care to share it anymore. i miss doing beta for testing purposes. and i do miss grinding the seasons to get the cosmetics bc it helped me go out and bug hunt, so with the implementation of the seasonal stuff being acquirable all at once i basically started feeling no need to test anymore. i definitely want to so i’m looking forward to the reset and understanding the game from the ground up

[kind laurel]

Uhhh guys what's happening now

[open frigate]

Good to know this 🙂

[late sonnet]

discussion on The Purge™️ (of beta accounts and access for new pool)

[proven pendant]

Beta is gonna reset starting fresh

[strong sentinel]

Betapocalypse

[idle nexus]

I'm going to miss seeing you in the beta chat, Skybot!

[tough oasis]

May I ask u from which region are u? Cuz Ur privacy laws sound interesting.

[rain delta]

And this is with the incentive of ‘collecting’ over my head. Imagine, if you know it’s going to be reset in 4 weeks and you may be kicked off beta.
Welp, you have even less incentive to actually candle run or grind.

[astral surge]

and it locks down the day AFTER my birthday so i’ll get one last party in before my progress goes away ^^

[kind laurel]

soooooo, Beta is closing now like. Our progress will be deleted? And whats with the 18 and above thingy in the update log

[orchid nexus]

I'm going out on a limb and making a suggestion to all future beta players: try to align your thinking with what "beta" really is for. Experience changes and new content, and give feedback on those. Bug hunting can be fun, but it's not the primary function of beta, so don't feel pressured to rack up bug points! There's no bounty for bugs!

[craggy gull]

I think this will just be one big hard reset, I dont think they would make us reset frequently at all.

[ember ore]

you need to be 18+ to sign a legally binding NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) contract

[late sonnet]

!whatsnewinbeta

[gilded parrot]

Bug fixes and improvements!

[opaque veldt]

Someone created any number of accounts to sell by removing the restrictions on BETA app...

[gilded parrot]

Anyone else read the patch notes, or just me?

[kind laurel]

Sooo uhhhhhhh. Let me get it straight.

Our progress on our acc in Beta will be resetted? Only adults can be beta testers? And uhhhh......

[idle nexus]

That's where you're wrong, Skybot. The next new thing is the beta apocalypse.

[craggy gull]

Skybot is being talkative

[open frigate]

You know, I miss playing the game as a moth, finding bugs, testing new things and trying to figure out what works, if it opens up again I will apply for the beta again 😄

[rain delta]

I think they should reset frequently. It’s super vital for them to.

[rugged kindle]

One thing I would miss is that the active engagement and conversation with the devs here, it's always insightful, chaotic and fun

If I'm able to get selected, hopefully I can share my views and insights into the future developments as I test beta

[proven pendant]

I’ve been asking for tgc to make improvements so I’m hoping this choice can improve the game as a whole. Also I noticed that a dev did put a gratitude letter in updates. I rlly needed that

[limpid crown]

#beta-screenshots-videos message

After 3 years of fun with the Invisible Cape, the time has come to say goodbye to it.

[opaque veldt]

No one likes you, get out of here

[kind laurel]

I notice that the reactions are all yes. Soo no minors as Beta testers now???

[strong sentinel]

I think they mentioned they will be doing frequent resets now

[warped geode]

Grey future beta tester, head of the crab, scientists lab. sigh time flies fast

[astral surge]

yes! and in all my years of doing beta, i actually rarely came across bugs myself somehow. i found it more fun to give feedback and help the actual refinement instead of running around desperately trying to find something to report. just looking at stuff and playing normally and giving feedback on your experience doing so is all that is needed. main questions you need to ask during testing are “is it running properly?” “are the cosmetics and emotes of typical quality?” and the very simple “do i like/enjoy this new feature?”. some people definitely make it more complicated but all you really need to be a good beta tester is to have a voice and play exactly as you would on live, with maybe some slight experimentation if you want to

[ember ore]

minors cannot sign legally binding contracts, so yes no minors as beta testers in the new system

[rugged kindle]

((Future beta tester))

🥺😭😭

Sago, you've been a true mvp ill be seeing around for one last time

[late sonnet]

isn't playstation beta 18+ also
wouldn't that also open up

[proven pendant]

Mhm the frequent resets would rid of any possible attachment that forms, it’s a good decision

[orchid nexus]

feeling like we have a real connection to the game, not just as players, is really valuable to everyone here, I think. maybe the progress reset and the technical concerns make it hard to express, but I bet losing that is an underlying fear shared by most people here

[warped geode]

Hopefully soon!!
can’t wait to test new things with ya

[boreal thistle]

Can they do regular wipes in live too... for fun turn it into rust

[rugged kindle]

Same and flip the rocks for hidden bugs

[potent forge]

Can't wait for the Sky Classic server to get released /j /joke /thisisajoke

[rain delta]

I’m wondering now if the whole volunteer to reset accounts thing they did last week was the deciding factor for them. It shouldn’t have been hard for them to decide to just reset everyone and I’m also curious if they got as many volunteers as they wanted

[astral surge]

i’ve been waiting for this to be implemented. we HAVE always been told to not get attached because it’s not guaranteed to stay. this is the first wipe in like almost six years iirc? it’s not regular now but it was never intended to be permanent like live

[fervent ridge]

wouldn't mind playing a classic aka light aways version tbh

[timber grotto]

didn't a wipe happen in 2020?

[warped geode]

Let’s flip the whole game

[potent forge]

Likely. I imagine they realized they don't have enough beta testers testing the new and early player experience in general, and people getting so attached to their accounts makes it hard to foster the testing environment they need.

[strong sentinel]

Would be funny if after wipe you accidentally stat in light awaits

[rugged kindle]

/flips several polygons

"Guess I can report the fact that I can flip them this is concerning"

/j

[rain delta]

I feel like I might not get picked again I’ve been critical and combative many a- times and a part of me wonders if that is the last thing they want from new testers

[open frigate]

I know that finding bugs is the last thing to do 🙂 but sometimes bugs can break features that we need to test and let you know what we think about it, so when testing We report any errors we encounter.

[astral surge]

not that i recall. i have all my progress from late 2019 still when they opened it up to test for rhythm, and i don’t think they wiped it before they had that wave of people added in (they did wipe ACCESS to beta however, just not the progress)

[late sonnet]

there are multiple rounds of testing in the future though so you could just join at a later time than consistently every round

[full hearth]

met up with some friends in beta to give them the news so i could add them on live and they said theyve only played on beta for the last 5 years and are mad at tgc... thats so bizarre to me did some people not know our progress has always been temporary on beta

[lilac solstice]

I actually feedbacked this. I personally think resetting those volunteers would have been helpful so that we get more interactions closer to live. Especially since reset accounts would be reaching out to older players for help

[idle nexus]

If you're a fellow Android user, then you won't get picked anytime soon..... 😭

[boreal thistle]

I imagine 5 years without a wipe would do that to you

[final minnow]

Luckily i have most of my friends added in live too

[orchid nexus]

someone mentioned STAR pins: that's a good question! I'm going to abuse my position and ask TGC directly. My guess is that resets will also reset pin bindings though

[rugged kindle]

beta has a lot of holes waiting to eat the cosmetics so I'm not even surprised

[static sigil]

Why? They need testers on all platforms

[kind laurel]

I've been thinking lately now. I am now retiring from the sky community now for i need to focus in things more important than games and media. It was nice meeting all of you in this quite pretty community. Thank you all, i shall now depart from Sky. Thank you all - nuclearbombeater march 18 2025

(Yes i have been thinking of retiring from the community since January 2025.)

[full hearth]

our hero

[potent forge]

They can't enforce the security against hackers they want on other systems yet. They certainly want to test as many platforms as they can, but it might take some more time to make that possible.

[desert root]

Take care of yourself ☀️

[storm palm]

It was me and ty!
I have quite a few and tested them often. Like the sanctuary pin never worked in beta. It would always cause server errors

[rugged kindle]

1. they need to prioritise most secure platform to start a new iteration of beta

2. android and PC testers will be eventually selected later

[rain delta]

I don’t mind not being chosen again. I’ve been very critical over the years of various mechanics or lack of mechanics and have also taken a break when I realized I was letting my frustrations and expectations for the game get in the way of viewing the game objectively.
I always remember what ktjn used to say (I haven’t seem them around in forever, so idk if they still work at TGC).

Ktjn used to say that when players are in beta, they can feel a certain bit of ownership for the game, but obviously it’s TGC that has a final say on their creative decisions and directions for the game. Were just there to experience it along the way

[sand dawn]

I’m just hoping we’ll have a way to check combinations of new with (some very) old cosmetics because that’s kinda important to test imo!

if we lose all our old cosmetics how are we gonna do that..

[strong sentinel]

What’s why you don’t treat beta as free trinket collection version of the game… I will miss some things too but beta be betaing. Better buckle up and just enjoy live version if someone feels like contributing to beta after the purge is too much
All things end eventually. But we’ll get through this and adjust to the new environment

[frank slate]

Without going into it, at least at one point a fair-size population of players joined beta through unofficial links posted online in their countries and at least two players that I met had NO IDEA that the Live game existed or that Sky beta wasn’t the real game

[warped geode]

YES PLEASE!!

[open frigate]

Has it been announced when it will work for Android?

[quaint nacelle]

do we know if our accounts will still be linked to the services (like google, apple id and stuff)?

[late sonnet]

your thoughts are always valid so long as you're not breaking server rules we're all human after all

[potent forge]

They haven't made any statement on that yet, but I think it would be easy to unlock access to old cosmetics for all beta testers if they so wanted. If that is an important part of beta testing to you, do let them know via the feedback channel.

[ember ore]

"🔹For now, iOS-only access
Security improvements and preventing hacked leaks are a big focus for the next iteration of the beta program. Our team is working on ways to strengthen security for all current beta platforms. It will take time for us to get Android and PC security protocols up to the level we need, so for now at least, beta testing will be limited to iOS devices." https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/718595027990741022/1351259539961286687

[maiden pond]

Sky Beta? What? No! Wake up, you're playing Sky: Light Awaits!

[rain delta]

I’m still waiting for map shrines to function as teleport way points

[warped geode]

Let’s not forget our shovels

[sand dawn]

alright, teleporting to orbit..

[delicate pilot]

thank u tgc! this is definetly another very important and extremely needed update that everyone wanted! lets all cheer for the greatness of tgc!

[astral surge]

once pc is released i’ll be able to do beta on there too bc i got a nice big pc recently never even got to think about pc beta before

[lunar cedar]

Why do you want to [Redacted] the test version account, so that the qualification obtained in the Google Store will become a laughing stock

[rugged kindle]

Not going to directly mention anyone in this channel, I think one part of me is relieved that beta will be less open bc I always have a paranoia that certain persons that had caused me so much hurt for the past year will stumble upon me in this channels. That way I can feel relieved and focus in forming positive bonds in live channels and game

[idle nexus]

It's time for me to break my fast, so I'll see you guys around! Hopefully the next few days before the beta rapture will be a good experience for everyone.

[late sonnet]

they're wiping access for every single account, it's very fair tbh
how is getting into beta through google play something to be mocked?

[storm palm]

OMG sorry cat
ahahahahhaha. She wanted to say hi I guess

[strong sentinel]

Security measures. Not enough beta feedback from actual testers

[cyan gust]

nice how i dont meet any requirements for beta now yet im in beta

[tawdry pine]

I KNEW that was a cat keysmash pet the cat for me plz

[lunar cedar]

Why can't it be changed to "Accounts that do not sign the agreement will be removed from the server?"

[astral surge]

ios is where the roots of the game are planted, it makes sense that it’s the first platform available for the new protocols

[vocal hinge]

I’m just tuning in lol what are the requirements?

[warped geode]

wakey wakey you're light awaits !!
prob the last thing i hear before ascending to orbit 😭

[rugged kindle]

Have a good iftar!

@storm palm tell ur cat i adore them

(How does ur cat know which is the enter button)

[ember ore]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/718595027990741022/1351259539961286687

filling out application form
signing NDA (which requires you to be 18+ aka have legal capacity to sign contracts)
CURRENTLY only available for iOS

[strong sentinel]

They want people to test the environment. Not collect cosmetics for free. The account wipes will be frequent now

[cyan gust]

basically just 18+ and no content about beta (i think or its just for discord server) ._.

[opaque veldt]

I personally don't think they will do that since it's a feature unique to the Stars

[lunar cedar]

What about us Chinese players? TGC does not consider Chinese players, each time the test is issued at 4 a.m. in China

[vocal hinge]

Can you send in an application now? Or will it be in the future

[warped geode]

have a good iftar! don't forget to drink water

[late sonnet]

nationality has nothing to do with wiping for tests
if you want to apply, you just need to apply for the form that will be sent out when they require ios testers for the new wave

[rancid vigil]

There are lots of Chinese Sky spoilers on Chinese Social media! BAD BAD BAD

[open frigate]

I think it will happen in the future

[static sigil]

it won't be first come first serve anymore. They'll have you fill out a form and pick the best fits I guess

[cyan gust]

random selection that meets requirements

[rugged kindle]

Hey don't associate one nationality for one thing.

Beta is open for all access and all kinds of people hack or leak stuffs. It's just happen you see a biased number of them based in China

[astral surge]

one big question though that maybe was addressed and i missed it BUT, will this mean that the beta channels are available ONLY to those in beta? otherwise it wouldn’t make sense for the NDA to be a thing. wouldn’t be mad if it is i’m just curious, but i presume it will be the case

[ember ore]

Sky beta is for Global version, Chinese Sky is managed by Netease..

and @vocal hinge the announcement says more information will be given soon, along with a link to an application form! (Android and PC users can still fill out the form!)

[strong sentinel]

Welll… do you make bug report often on discord here..? Now you have to prove you want to be a beta tester. Not just a dweller

[karmic frigate]

I was also curious about this ! I hope we find out the answer soon enough

[lunar cedar]

Hello, if I remember correctly, even if I posted bug feedback, tgc didn't fix it in time

[lost swan]

They are seriously cutting out so many people from beta, NDA's may be legal in the USA but I'm not sure about other countries, and I think you need a id for a nda, so what about younger people who don't have id's yet (I got mine at 18, so what about say 16 yo testers?) Beta seems like it will only be available on iOS, so that cuts out alot of people playing on different platforms.

[late sonnet]

which I am mega glad for because the stress of making it in before slots fill up is something I don't wish on anyone it's so bad
esp with the growing size of people who want to enter beta

[open frigate]

Ah actually read the description, it states that the first applicant will be the first to be served.

[soft vine]

Yep NDA sounds like 18+

[cyan gust]

goodbye little prince cosmetics I live on beta as you can clearly see

[ashen tusk]

hi friends let's not make judgements about any specific demographics of players

[golden sparrow]

I’d assume no beta content leaks anywhere

[rain delta]

I remember the way we used to stalk the channels to see if a dev was typing there and then frantically refreshing that was some fun mischief hahaha /j sorry devs

[strong sentinel]

Literally spent a year and a half trying to get in

[tawdry pine]

Sky's a global game, this means timezones are something tgc doesn't control

[lunar cedar]

But NetEase has not built a Chinese version of the test server

[ember ore]

the announcement says 18+ only, because only people with legal capacity can sign a legally binding contract like an NDA. https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/718595027990741022/1351259539961286687

[rugged kindle]

I'm just reiterating a mod's statement but when they signed TGC nda it didn't require any ID but that remains to be seen later

[late sonnet]

sago joking about pressing the spacebar in the updates channel to bait us
people were so desperate for updates

[rancid vigil]

Got it!

[spark token]

will people who are already signed into beta gonna be affected? /gen

edit: thx reactors

[lost swan]

Also with less people it will be even harder to test anything that requires 2 or more people to do!!!

[cyan gust]

this is gonna affect nastymolds content greatly, these new agreements seem a little strict

[astral surge]

as alex said earlier, you don’t have to be a dedicated bug hunter to be a beta tester, you just have to play the game and give feedback when you see fit. if you’re hunting bugs just to hunt them or for brownie points, you’re going to burn out and it won’t be good for you. the best way to beta test is to play it like live and give your opinions that you may have or that you want to be heard. if you end up not having anything to say, that’s fine to. they aren’t going to track you like it’s a job, it’s just volunteer work

[quaint nacelle]

yee i hope we can still log in using them/relink, it would suck if theyre permanently linked to a dead account

[golden sparrow]

Stuff gets issued in the middle of the night for me so it’s not just you 💀

[frosty trout]

@rancid vigil I removed your earlier posts. For everyone, I'm going to ask that we stop making accusations about one group of players against another. Thanks for understanding

[lunar cedar]

I think I've done the right thing to give feedback to TGC

[rugged kindle]

They have internal and hired QA testers in house so they'll be fine. Beta testers are just volunteers, nothing more

[rancid vigil]

OK, NetEase go ahead and build a Chinese version test server. And International testing server data WON'T BE SHARED

[ashen tusk]

I'm sure beta testing will still be open to a variety of people across the world, we don't know of any restrictions about that currently and we'll likely get updates on it later if there will be any limitations - for now, we know the applications will no longer be tied to first come first served, so we hopefully won't have to worry about timezones in the same way

[potent forge]

Quite the contrary... we don't know if there will be less people. That depends on how many people TGC invites into the beta program. But that means that among the registered accounts and testers, there will be more active people, at it will hopefully be easier to find users in the discord that are willing to help out with testing features.

[karmic frigate]

Definitely! I kind of get nervous thinking something that can't be accessed anymore will still be linked to my email I hope if they do wipe all accounts, they get rid of all the links too

[astral surge]

also please read the post thoroughly bc a lot of these questions are answered. and ios only will be temporary as they get other platforms set up. it’s not going to be ios only forever

[strong sentinel]

Nah I always did beta testing on my spare time and when I felt like it.
I mostly used feedback than bug report too because I was giving like 2-4 hours a week for grinding something in beta and found less bugs and more how playing feels

[late sonnet]

will also point out, they have tried to vary group test times as well, it's just a matter of getting them to align with the developers' work schedule which is difficult across timezones regardless

[rugged kindle]

Hey please don't say such things to certain nationality
Sago already said it here so please stop

[honest cobalt]

Having NDA is a bad idea. Is this because of all the partner collabs?

[lunar cedar]

You can also fill out the questionnaire, but most Chinese players cannot use Discord normally. How to better respond to official feedback bugs is a solution

[frosty trout]

The first test for a prospective beta tester: Willingness to read posts with beta-related information, even if they're a bit long. 🙃

[silk compass]

Hi friends, gentle reminder that discussion of NetEase content is not relevant to beta channels Please keep all conversations kind and considerate towards all members.

[ashen tusk]

As a European, I was thriving with the last playtests

[static sigil]

The NDA's are because people kept sharing information, even though TGC has stated (many times) that they wish for beta to stay in beta.

[astral surge]

i’ve actually never been a part of a group playtest they’ve always occurred during my work hours or when i am eating dinner. and i’m CST so only two hours ahead of tgc but my schedule doesn’t fit the same as the developers

[rugged kindle]

Yk I'm highly concerned about being able to get in beta due to my timezone and my terrible sleep schedule (lol) so I'm happy to have a higher opportunity to get in beta someday

[tawdry pine]

Hide in the questionnaire something along the lines of "last question: leave everything in this page blank" to see who's REALLY reading /hj

[ashen tusk]

It might be a good idea to share this in #beta-feedback I would imagine it has been a consideration for those who may not have access to discord due to regional restrictions, unfortunately that's not within TGC's control, but it's likely something they've thought about when making these changes

[runic path]

This is how beta works.
If Chinese play wants to take part into the beta testing, you have order to go through

[strong sentinel]

Recently all the updates and play test were happening closely to 5-7 am for me

[still socket]

Although, I know my 5 years-Skykid will be gone, I will pursue Skybeta to the end as I renew my Skykids in other new world

[opaque veldt]

I noticed that the NDA only restricts Discord, or will it extend to any platform?

[lunar cedar]

Which channel is the test qualification released? I'm in pure English here, I can't understand it

[frosty trout]

@lunar cedar other community members here won't really be able to answer your questions and concerns.

As for the studio, we'll share more announcements later, but please do share your thoughts in #beta-feedback so that the team will be able to see them!

[odd lintel]

I’m willing to read through them and cry once i reach the end and there’s no sign of new elder masks

[cyan gust]

welp cya beta nice knowing everyone, including foreigners of the US

[honest cobalt]

I understand that, but this just feels a bit extreme.

Also considering how many people who have been beta testers since Gratitude are gonna get shafted.

[wispy obsidian]

No discussing beta outside of the designated discord channels, this means any other social media platform

[rugged kindle]

something like control question:

"Tick number 4" lol

[late sonnet]

it's super fair
everyone gets wiped regardless of when they joined

[quaint nacelle]

no beta footage or content can be recorded or shared by testers outside of private beta channels on Discord designated by TGC

[ember ore]

the specifics depends, but generally, NO SHARING of any beta content, which includes social media, to friends, on non beta discord channels

[gilded parrot]

Using a vpn is not recommended or supported by TGC. Please don't recommend, discuss, or seek help with VPNs in this server

[potent forge]

The news post specifies discord, because so far, that has been the official feedback and discussion platform between beta testers and devs. If this changes, the NDA will likely reflect the changes, but the general idea is that only the devs and other beta testers are allowed to see the beta content. Any beta content is not to be shared with people that are not in the beta program.

[honest cobalt]

No, it's not the wipe. It's the fact that now everyone is getting booted out that already have been here, dedicated for a long time. Having a much smaller sample size can sound good, but it's disadvantageous to a game with this large of a player base.

[warped geode]

oh i thought you were from the us! glad to know i'm not the only one from europe! ||from the arctic, more precisely||

[tawdry pine]

NDAs for game testing are common, why you think Deltarune only has the newsletters to go off?
deltarune tomorrow, trust me guys

[astral surge]

dw i doubt your timezone will affect your ability to get into beta, if it did it would affect the whole playerbase and make the game non inclusive feedback wise which i know tgc wouldn’t stand for. i assume all players will be welcome as long as they fit the basic requirements of age and willingness to sign the NDA. if they let timezones be a deciding factor, they will inadvertently affect which voices are heard culture wise

[maiden pond]

I'm delusional on that game.

[runic path]

Are we going to sign NDA with passport xd. Just ask in advance

[late sonnet]

I don't think it's a bad thing persay
there's nothing stopping you from applying to reenter, and I'm sure they will consider the join time of players that is likely something that would be in the questionaire

if you find this as a concern, #beta-feedback it!

[rugged kindle]

I know, but I was talking about the previous first come first serve bases of invites

[frosty trout]

I know it feels hard to have a beta account wiped. But ultimately there's no way around it for the things we need to use beta for—these kinds of resets are common in beta testing. Meanwhile, trying to save beta progress created a lot of issues internally. Not least of all, it has made it really hard to do certain types of testing when resets of various types weren't options for us.

[silk compass]

More details about NDA specifics and such will be given soon! By Sagomay: #beta-discussion message

[warped geode]

infinite wardrobe when? /j

[ashen tusk]

Ohh lovely, I've never been there before We really do have such a global family of sky kids here

[astral surge]

oh yeah that will be a much better outcome with the new system even i was scared of not getting in bc i had to be so fast to get a spot. it’ll be less “competition”

[golden sparrow]

Most games have an NDA for beta tests, including Genshin HSR and Sea Of Thieves and much more

[frosty trout]

It ultimately comes back to—live accounts will be treated like live accounts, and beta cannot be used as a substitute for live, as we've explained before

[strong sentinel]

Now I will have more chances to catch bugs in my native language translation for any ingame text

[plush matrix]

Im so sad, they will deleted my fav account

[late sonnet]

I've signed plenty of NDAs for even being shown information about jobs that I might not get hired for also
normal part of industry

[rugged kindle]

So...a cryo-fossil /j

[storm palm]

Do you have any info on STAR pins and them being bound to the old accounts? If we get back in can we rebind them?

[frosty trout]

I don't right now, but can follow up on that for later

[gilded parrot]

bruh... talking about hacks and hackers is against the rules @rancid vigil

[ashen tusk]

I'm gonna miss update pings and "doooooot" messages most

[warped geode]

i know you'll love the northern lights!

ALSO YES @rugged kindle I AM A MAMOOTH FOSSIL AT THIS POINT, I'M ELSA 😭

[astral surge]

the full game experience will always be live. if you want to be a collector, collect on the permanent version of the game

[strong sentinel]

They’ll still happen if we get in

[rugged kindle]

Walmart elsa 🫵 /JKJKJK

@strong sentinel I know I will be the one screaming DOOR in the private beta channel

[opaque berry]

3/20のベータに応募するにはこのチャットにいれば良いのです？

[wheat panther]

and it’ll be ready in “less than one minute”!

[true forum]

i dont understand the nda part. are they creating a new discord server?? or they're gonna make these channels private? (can you do that?)

[potent forge]

We don't know, and yes you can.

[tawdry pine]

[let me in, LET ME IIIIIIIN.gif here]

[late sonnet]

I don't think they're making a new discord server than it is privating these channels to people who have the roles to be able to view them (who have signed the NDA)
just my guess though

[runic path]

My sincerely thoughts. If new beta test will be held in private channel, can we kindly move the current beta-related chat to archive?
I'm sure these chat hold a lot memory for someone

[honest cobalt]

Devs need to actually listen and communicate with much more clarity. I have a lot of mixed feelings on this, and we can't have a bunch of yesmen. The state of the game has already been... dubious.

Just be ready.

[soft vine]

They will publish questionnaires to get in. It's all explained in #beta-announcements
Also English please

[rugged kindle]

That's me 24/7 being stuck in beta purgatory and seeing the cool new stuff being testers (maybe after this you'll join in the purgatory)

But hey hope to see you often in SEC or cozy

[strong sentinel]

I got me a fresh new ipad just a week ago as well so I’m hopeful 🙏

[quaint nacelle]

hey sagomay asking again since youre active in chat, do your know if our accounts will still be linked to the services (like google, apple id and stuff) after the wipe?

[warped geode]

do you want walmart elsa to sing you a little lullaby?.. what about let it go....?

[potent forge]

Devs don't want yesmen as testers. They want users that test features for bugs and issues, because they want their game to succeed.

[tawdry pine]

I'll stay in Season chat and questions and help

[maiden pond]

What are "yesmen"?

[proven pendant]

Im tempted to drive half an hour for Jollibee

[late sonnet]

the developers welcome all opinions (so long as it aligns with server rules) for testing
just broadly painting people as [yesmen] is kinda reductive

[lilac solstice]

I'm gonna miss beta waiting rooms

[ember ore]

May the odds be ever in your favor

[rugged kindle]

Awesome let's gooooo

Oh gosh yeah waiting rooms but...can we make one in SEC whenever we're off season /j

[wheat panther]

Aww I just realized that the beta channels are where I live in this server. Idk where I’ll go without beta

[warped geode]

"Refers to people who always agree with or support someone, especially a superior, without questioning or offering honest opinions. They tend to conform out of fear, loyalty, or personal gain, often at the expense of independent thinking." this is what i found.

[astral surge]

i’ve been brutally honest with tgc before. you don’t have to like everything they do or all the things added into the game, at the end of the day you won’t be satisfied with everything bc it’s not all meant to target one demographic. and if you have an issue with how the game is, you gotta voice it (reasonably)

[strong sentinel]

There won’t be any more loopholes now and please don’t talk about things like that here

[tawdry pine]

Yesmen is as the name says, someone who never says no (Fallout New Vegas has a character names Yesman, the perfect example of a yesman )

[potent forge]

That's a term used to refer to people that are pushovers, easily agreeable, especially to a boss or superior, just for the sake of keeping piece or keeping their job. Devs don't want users that say 'all is perfect'. Devs want users that look for problems, then report these problems to the devs.

Not all feedback that is based on personal taste will be acted upon, because one user's taste does not reflect the whole playerbase, as one dev's taste does not reflect the whole player base. But devs do want (constructive and respectful) feedback.

[late sonnet]

#seasons-events-chat is pretty dope tbh
people who care about the game chat there and it's way more focused on sky gameplay than the other channels

[desert coyote]

I really hope that tgc post the global update blog 2/3 weeks before the events and items come to global for the everyone can choose what buy instead show us close to the update

[fervent ridge]

time to look for a new channel to set, since I only interact here

[rugged kindle]

Same, if things are smoother in beta due to more focused tester group, them they could post update blogs in a more ahead of time manner

[strong sentinel]

Same tho haha…

[wispy obsidian]

Yeah I feel like previews might come sooner/be more in-depth with this in place

[rugged kindle]

Pspspspsps join us in Seasons and Events chat this is were we ramble about sky

Anyway wishing the new beta testers for 29.5 round of testing a good fun and luck testing! Wish yall the best

[astral surge]

you gotta remember that the devs are still humans whether or not you like what the company decides to do as a whole. we don’t know how or why they make the decisions they do, and if they don’t listen to a criticism it’s usually because the criticism is not actually to the benefit of the game. there are things that they will decide as the professionals that the player base won’t like but sometimes it is the only way to do something. it’s not about being yesmen to them, it’s just letting them keep control over what they are knowledgable in that we usually aren’t

[tawdry pine]

Everyone's welcome in #seasons-events-chat , I like to hang out there since we get to chat about the season and share screenshots at the same time, plus discussions do happen about the game.
We even reminisce about the older seasons often! It's a fun time

[late sonnet]

I recently brought over all the cursed/funny things I've made over beta testing
spread the observations

[wheat panther]

I was so shocked that were was a photo in the discussion 👀

[runic path]

||How about the question and help xd. Ppsppsps you can meet tib there||

[odd lintel]

i probably won’t be able to get into the new version of beta for a while longer also i should just focus on studies this year anyway so you can all find & observe me in cozy chat screaming about elder masks

[polar nova]

Cy I hope you get into the new beta, the potato logs and your adorable doodles and antics are the best 😭

[rugged kindle]

And maybe SEC occasionally bc I have a Sokai signal antenna and whenever she's going to scream about elder masks or mess with iko I will materialise myself

[silk compass]

@lunar cedar I've removed one of your previous messages. Discussions about attempting exploits are not allowed in this server, thank you for understanding

[desert coyote]

Android beta players will still seeing the beta channels?

[tawdry pine]

Ah, over there I tend to be more serious Tib is a friend of mine! Can also see them in season chat from time to time

[late sonnet]

*also the feedback from beta is not what they solely listen to
they also incorporate critique from the greater live playerbase to be taken into consideration for future updates

just because they can't 👏 add it into current beta testing does not mean it can't be added ever

[ember ore]

likely not, unless they have signed an NDA

[fast skiff]

Not at the moment, only qualified iOS users

More info: #beta-faq

[maiden pond]

Well, I have an iOS device but it's old and I haven't used it in many months now.

[frosty trout]

@lunar cedarJokes and "jokes" about circumventing rules and the game's TOS are not permitted here. Thank you for understanding.

[rugged kindle]

Also I hopefully will be free from reporting hacks and leaks to stellify from this point forward

[tawdry pine]

The shenanigans still happen in season chat, we had a discussion about sky merch which evolved into a ramble on potential jellyfish themed merch, Cy then appeared and made doodles!
there's also #sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat , so much talent over there!

[late sonnet]

aww I'm glad people enjoy my silly drawings they illustrate my sense of humour well

I'll be sad if I don't make it in, but that just means I will keep applying and hope my chance comes back around in the future
and it also means other peeps are just more fit for the job than I

[rain delta]

Did this decision have anything to do with the volunteer accounts Sago? I know the team wanted to preserve accounts but at the same time I know people who volunteered were more than willing to have the progress reset. Was that incident in any way related to this?
Regardless, I think this is a good decision for beta moving forward.

[worthy tulip]

haha... scared you all.

If yall haven't heard, there's an aurora concert goodbye that we're gonna do, information is here
#beta-looking-for-group message

[gilded parrot]

‘cause just like the crabs, everything wants to live

[ashen tusk]

Honestly I would recommend any channel, they all have their merits and it would be wonderful to see you guys in any of them!

[potent forge]

Honestly, your Sky drawings are utterly adorable, and whether or not you're in the future beta, I hope to see more of it around and on your socials

[frosty trout]

Nope, unrelated. The timing was just...awkward 🙃 [Edit] We actually have been beta testing a new feature that only applies to new accounts (explained in an earlier ⁠beta-updates post, and that people have shared screenshots of in the beta screenshot channel). The need for testing that was independent of this decision.

[runic path]

Anyway pls consider put the current beta-related chans into achive. At least we can memories in the later time

[livid ridge]

Wait wait, wdym closed account for all beta user???? If i download the beta from really really old days, will it still be on my phone?
Does that mean i can't get in the beta app anymore or something?

[rugged kindle]

pspsppsps SEC and QNH is where I shine

But also did you know that I also draw for sky? Come and hunt for me in completed fanarts and wips and sketches too

[odd lintel]

be like me! Hop between channels like the sever is a monkey gym

[fervent ridge]

almost any, I'm scared of gen chat still season event area seems like a cool place

[tawdry pine]

Showing the Browse Channels feature: I can show you the woooorld 🎶
Except gen chat, dont touch it

[late sonnet]

if anyone wants to find me I'll likely hang out more often in #seasons-events-chat and occassionally #cozy-sky-discussion
but also I'm always open for DMs if peeps wanna chat

and ofc I will just live in #outfit-requests once in a while

[fast skiff]

Android users won’t be able to sign an NDA because beta access is limited to iOS for now - at least until they resolve the security risks with other platforms.

[worthy tulip]

Can confirm the #seasons-events-chat is really cozy it's a really nice place to gather information on things too

[rain delta]

Sago, not sure if this is a question we can ask or if you’re allowed to answer, but what was the reason behind why the team is choosing to go for an NDA for beta when that wasn’t the decision up until now?

[ember ore]

@quiet hinge @livid ridge https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/718595027990741022/1351259539961286687
Read this announcement!

and @fast skiff I know, I worded that poorly, thanks for clarifying for the community!

[frosty trout]

The post in #beta-announcements will answer your questions

[proven pendant]

So uh I’m gonna be competing against you guys for beta right? 🤝 best of luck /j

[desert coyote]

Android players would sign, have acess to beta channels and just use the app when it realeases

[late sonnet]

if you see someone screaming about elder masks you're sure to find sokai somewhere

[robust root]

Would def recommend the art chats channels, as well as seasons chat and questions and help!

And #news
Please read #news

[lilac solstice]

I hang out a lot in gen chat and cozy as of late. So I'll be a familiar face if people are nervous about new channels

[rugged kindle]

Honestly fr

Also art channels is such a vibrant place (come check out my art there lolol)

[astral surge]

i would just assume the nda is to prevent leaks to the best of their abilities. some people have to go through so many hoops to avoid spoilers they won’t want so this could also help those players

[lapis spear]

Will the account be deleted? Will all items disappear?

[strong sentinel]

Not really competing
Just if your specifics for a device/ knowledge/ free time/ willingness is what TGC needs for the first wave of accepting applications I think

[ember ore]

the normal channels are usually too fast for me if anyone has recommendations for a slowww enough chat I would like to know T^T) but I'll be silently reading chat when I'm not busy....

[desert coyote]

Theres somedays that i founded updates and leaks even dont searching

[rugged kindle]

hands u, cozy chat and SEC

[robust root]

#cozy-sky-discussion is the channel for you permanent high cooldown

[outer talon]

I just woke up from my nap and the first thing I see in my phone is the new beta-update.
I'm gonna miss doing live-beta-testings like the the live concert at the Duets. It was funny to seek for some errors or bugged things.~~ (cries in the corner with an almost obsolete android)~~

[rain delta]

Yes.. but it hasn’t been a problem until now since beta was technically open. Like I usually didn’t see discussion of beta content outside beta channels in discord. guess I’m just trying to understand why beta as a whole is closed now for NDA? Like why now? It feels so sudden and random

[neon gale]

Deleting files means that all players' game data are cleared and everything starts all over again, right? Then, will the previously bound account information be released at the same time, so that a new account can be re-bound?

[livid ridge]

Well i hope they open the beta again for Android player tho, i will miss it 😭

[strong sentinel]

They will. Just later after establishing security protocols for Android and PC

[rugged kindle]

It's been a long time coming. I feel its been very much needed especially the rampant leaks and misinformation outside discord beta channels

Source: I reported them a lot of times

[desert coyote]

Being an online game theres many ways to avoid copying and hacking on android

[lapis spear]

I just want to know if my game account is still active after restarting the test

[stark yew]

farewell beta 😔🙏 dec 2020 to march 2025, was a good run 🫡

[storm estuary]

ouh i wont be able to test beta anymore, hope the new testers have fun

[runic path]

If devs take NDA in serious, then it's not likely to give beta for android player.
Maybe Devs will implement digital watermark to trace leaking

[tawdry pine]

Android and PC will eventually get beta access, wdym

[white sparrow]

I wonder if they will officially close off beta channels here and make it exclusive to the beta users only

[late sonnet]

🔹For now, iOS-only access
Security improvements and preventing hacked leaks are a big focus for the next iteration of the beta program. Our team is working on ways to strengthen security for all current beta platforms. It will take time for us to get Android and PC security protocols up to the level we need, so for now at least, beta testing will be limited to iOS devices.

please read #beta-announcements

[ember ore]

"🔹For now, iOS-only access
Security improvements and preventing hacked leaks are a big focus for the next iteration of the beta program. Our team is working on ways to strengthen security for all current beta platforms. It will take time for us to get Android and PC security protocols up to the level we need, so for now at least, beta testing will be limited to iOS devices."

Lmao cy beat me to it

[rain delta]

Grey, I need a little bit more context . What was beta content that was misinformation and caused an issue? The leaks were clearly hackers who broke TOS for content that wasn’t even released in beta and I get that that’s a problem.
But what about the misinformation? what was an example of something that happened?

[astral surge]

well as an indie company they probably had some learning to do, and beta stuff usually doesn’t leave the beta channels bc skybot or mods delete stuff before it is seen, the leaks are an issue on all other socials though. an nda can also just keep them safe. we may not know all the ins and outs but honestly we don’t need to know them until we ourselves decide to sign the nda. there is definitely more to it than we know or will know. if an nda is in order it means there is stuff we will continue to not know bc there are more levels than just our own ndas. there’s probably a good amount the company can’t say due to their own ndas

[slate narwhal]

Sooo why do beta anymore? I don’t see incentive to remain a beta tester. It’s been real but that’s that. I’m very sad to see my account of almost 5 years go poof. All my friends…I’m just sad.

[runic path]

Sorry I just means in near time.

[sterile osprey]

Hi sorry, I was wondering if I could dm you about a more sensitive beta question?

[rugged kindle]

Well...there's a lot of things, such as a leak of blue bird season being misconstrued as "two embers" season when it's not and it has caused a lot of confusion and upset, that's one of the many examples

[strong sentinel]

Like when they say that some cosmetics are permanent/limited
even saw on insta someone claiming dark plants with dyes will disappear - which is all misinformation

[neon gale]

Can someone answer this question for me?

[outer talon]

I can see the water mark, like putting a text at some corner of the screen with the ID of the player+the beta version or something.

[tawdry pine]

Not everything in beta makes it to live, so when players are the ones promising/saying that something WILL make it to live, that counts as misinformation.

Example, the Triumph instruments, the Olympics crab trophy, and every single cosmetic that was changed during beta ((like assembly's ult cape for example, rip cheese cape))

[golden sparrow]

It’s the leakers

[gusty cave]

well dang, there go all the cute collab IAP's I couldn't afford to enjoy in live 🙃

[late sonnet]

the other benefit of an NDA is they're able to be more transparent with testers about the process of what's expected in beta I reckon
as opposed to the stuff we see in the updates channel now

[ember ore]

I've also seen people post about beta as if it was a live server, and theres people who came to beta thinking its just a different version of live where you get free stuff and stuff you can't get on the "normal" server...

[rugged kindle]

Not only that, I've seen leaks about some seasons and they showcase things they'd already been changed by the time it reaches official beta test and many people take it as "solid information on beta content"

Not to mention, there's this one leaker who claim that the hacked items are available in official beta, when they're not (and I kept reported that)

[astral surge]

even beta testers who weren’t exploiting the game were leaking stuff on socials. it’s not just a hacker issue

[lilac solstice]

Oh this for sure. I read the thing in #news and it did mention the devs will work more closely with the beta testers, and that has me incredibly hopeful for an even better testing cycle each season

[tawdry pine]

Also there have been hoaxes of beta content I'm looking at you elk call, radiance doesn't even have an elk how did people believe it

[livid ridge]

I think the new beta should give the player access to all items and outfit from the beginning in order to check and test it.
There may be error and bug hiding in the outfit/ prop (like that one time the pants change your skykid skin color things)

[neon gale]

Deleting files means that all players' game data are cleared and everything starts all over again, right? Then, will the previously bound account information be released at the same time, so that a new account can be re-bound?

[frosty trout]

but it hasn’t been a problem until now since beta was technically open.
The issue may not have been very visible for testers who mostly hung around Discord. But it did build up over time—perhaps slowly but definitely surely. It may not have seemed to affect the content testers saw in a build, but it did affect things like what we put into builds when, and, to put it in broad terms, just how extensive our beta experiments could be.

[old finch]

Why was such a decision made?

I really don't want to lose my account and my friends

[strong sentinel]

The way “knowing what to expect and when to save” make people on live anxious too
Better if they relax a bit and stop caring if they miss a cape or two. Y’all won’t be wearing some stuff anyway after trying it out once

[naive solar]

last message for tonight, I hope I have been helpful to those who were confused by the discussion. I wish everyone a good night, and wishing everyone who will register for upcoming testing cycle the best of luck. Thank you to all of you testers for contributing to smooth out the live experience, and to TGC for taking the best steps they possibly could in achieving it.

[late sonnet]

ah yeah, the damage of the leaks really throttles how early stuff could be put in which must have been frustrating

[fast skiff]

I don’t work there, so I don’t know how long fixing the security risks will take. But I’d imagine letting someone with an unqualified platform sign an NDA just to peak at content without actually being able to test it would be counterproductive for this tighter beta rollout

[rancid vigil]

you'd better get all ur friends' other contacts before 20th, then

[astral surge]

i’m hoping i can get in again, though. i would like a more hands on approach that they seem to want to implement. and hearing from devs more often and more clearly will make it a lot better. and a less clogged chat will help a bit beta chats for testers only is honestly what i’m most excited for. it was hard for me to want to DISCUSS the beta version when a lot of the people in the channels weren’t testers and didn’t have the full scope of the content to have a completely accurate conversation on it if i’m making any sense

[potent forge]

Beta is a testing environment, and a more controlled tester group is more beneficial for the future of the game. Try to use the time to exchange contacts with your friends so you can play the live version together.

[desert coyote]

Hm, it makes sense

[maiden pond]

Beta isn't meant to be a replacement for Live, if you read through #beta-faq you'll find progress can be wiped at ANY time.

[flat thorn]

Yeah but also it’s practically the only way for f2p players to plan for anything. Tgc seems to be getting more and more bold with stealing our time and money

The timing with the absolute let down that was days of treasure, the sudden journey iap, and the upcoming bloom is downright horrible

[ashen tusk]

Okay I've gotta stop reading chat out the corner of my eye whilst I'm running wasteland, I just got spotted by a krill

Remember folks, it's okay to feel all the emotions about the changes, but what's important is this will hopefully have a positive impact on live Sky and we all love to see that!

[ember ore]

yeah! That was what demotivated me from giving more feedback or more involved... and it contributed to my burnout, so I'm hoping the new system would be better for actually giving feedback

[old finch]

still this sad

[rancid vigil]

I just feel happy that other spoil bloggers won't and must't have recording material for the beta then.

[strong sentinel]

Don’t plan then. The game is not about planning to buy whatever is next. But I don’t think this is a conversation for beta chat

[potent forge]

If you have issues with these things, #live-feedback is the way to go

[desert coyote]

I think the people that dont have too much money will be more anxious without knowing what they should buy or not. Its the worst part

[icy sail]

are we allowed to keep pictures NOT for sharing but just for personal use I wonder?

[neon gale]

Should we unbind all the accounts?

[astral surge]

people who leak are going to find their way in still somehow, there will just be a lot less of it hopefully

[exotic gorge]

Was part of the 1st original beta reset so I knew this day would come again because they said it could happen anytime. Was happy to beta test for this long 🥹🙏

[flat thorn]

Hey if anybody finds any legal loopholes, hmu (i’m joking btw sorry)

[late sonnet]

(if you know it's not a well received joke, best not say it)

[rancid vigil]

you'd better joking.

[white sparrow]

Aw heck imma sign that document i can finally be forced to dedicate myself to something

[astral surge]

and tgc is probably not gonna take such jokes lightly when it comes to the selection process

[ember ore]

hopefully i'll be selected for testing when life is less hectic but see you all in live!

[flat thorn]

OH MY GOD THIS COOLDOWN IS KILLING ME

Sorry all! I’m a bit stupid and impulsive

I’m not even of age yet anyways, any hopes of doing beta are vanquished

[zenith palm]

cy, i just want to say thank you so much for keeping up with the potato beta blog this whole time. and ofc those who helped as well. as a non-beta tester, i cant describe how helpful its been to have a heads up to plan for upcoming things. really sorry wont be able access that at all soon.

[median matrix]

idk i am excited for this change. i don’t often log on beta because i feel like i’m just repeating my dailies and hoping for a bug to report. i hope we are able to do more group play tests or test specific features/etc in the future

[clear wigeon]

I have this same question, in my opinion I think we can (?) since we aren’t showing anyone else

[odd lintel]

gotta reach 2k messages about elder masks yknow

[flat thorn]

its because minors cant sign ndas

it’s not a “decision” Its because of the law

[potent forge]

Previous and current images fall under the current policy - free for all. Future photos fall under the guidelines detailed in the NDA, which we don't know yet. So wait and see.

[livid ridge]

For some reason, the beta reset remind me of "Infinity war" movie

[frosty trout]

@rancid vigil those kinds of comments about fellow community members aren't really called for

[orchid nexus]

We can all be impulsive no matter our age. I have a feeling the real reason is because minors can't sign legally binding contracts

[white sparrow]

This should really help single out them hackin weeds that kept creeping in

[late sonnet]

I'm glad it's been helpful for everyone
voi's beta archive was super helpful for me in the time I was not a tester, so I wanted to carry it forward
and am glad that I was able to maintain it consistently

[rancid vigil]

So sorry for it! I will continue to pay attention for my words!

[white solar]

The new policy got misworded in my head for a moment and went “we ask that people please not leak live content into the beta”

[tall snow]

I have a question about new beta ,how to get the pc or ios,can we choose it?

[clear wigeon]

Only on iOS for now

[zenith palm]

yeah, im beyond amazed you were able to keep up with it so regularly and for so long. definitely not easy to do and really appreciate it.

[late sonnet]

also shoutout to all my friends who helped me get pictures of items when my beta was doing a 💥
and peeps who picked up on things I missed for I am only one pair of eyeballs

[strong sentinel]

Getting distracted from beta discussions because a mischief car is trying to snatch my midnight snack sandwiches 🥪 🚗

[ember ore]

there will be more information soon, and we will be given a link by TGC/a dev for the application form for the new beta test https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/585611536358440960/1351259428439064660

[flat thorn]

“Broo did you see the last radiance quest”

“SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT!! MODS DELETE THIS”

[tall snow]

Umm,how many first testers can join the beta

[rancid vigil]

so there won't be any punishments for the previous spoil bloggers?

[rugged kindle]

I don't think so, since NDA may apply for stuff beyond 29.5

[sand garnet]

We'll have to wait and see how this all actually looks once it's implemented. They might pick and choose things to allow testers to share with the public with caveats like only after X date and Y content only, Z is still secret. Those of us who still test will just have to abide to not show anything they say is still under our NDA. ^_^; No telling how it'll be though so gotta wafo.

[late sonnet]

the total beta player count has never been made public, so they likely won't make that public either

[pastel hawk]

okay my last message here fr, im gonna miss sago doot notes😭 again good luck to everyone that will apply in the future!

[orchid nexus]

Obvious PSA for those impervious to the obvious: if you threaten to hack beta, this decreases your chances of being allowed into beta, and increases your chances of getting booted from this server too!

[raw haven]

I actually appreciate developers for giving beta testing for all current testers

[tall snow]

It said that the new beta is not first coming and fill in a form to join

[rain delta]

I guess the one plus side to all this is that I never had anyone else but beta-channels to share this to anyways you guys had to bear my musings and screenshots

[icy sail]

the form won't be available for a while right? I read the blog and it said some time (vaguely)

[rugged kindle]

Vaguely yeah xD

[tall snow]

So vague that I don’t know what can do

[runic path]

Not a problem. Just gpted the form in last minute

[slow narwhal]

gonna miss portrait mode

[rugged kindle]

I believe though, it'll be between 20 Mar and 14 April (when the next round of testing begins), the form will be released for us to read I believe

[astral surge]

i would assume it wouldn’t take too terribly long for them to post the application form. they have internal testing for now of course but it only does so much

[median matrix]

do we think this might lead to less bugs in live?

[white solar]

I really hope I can get into beta.. I’ve always wanted to but never saw an iOS invite, and now I kinda worry I won’t be good enough in some way

[shy ore]

What just happened?

[worthy tulip]

It's not a matter of how good you are, its the effort you put into helping out 🙂 Every report matters

You should apply if you want to help for sure!

[potent forge]

For some time, it might lead to more platform-specific bugs... though that is already a problem currently, as Nintendo doesn't allow beta programs. Beta testers also can't test issues with the live servers and databases specifically.
However, it will hopefully lead to more active beta testers that find and report bugs, so.. maybe?

[late sonnet]

it is virtually impossible to ship a bugless game, much less a live updating game
it'll just happen regardless

[astral surge]

honestly, no clue. a lot of bugs in live are only ever in live and were never in beta. it just happens sometimes. minor bugs will always be low priority though so they may slip through the cracks in order to fix bugs that largely impact gameplay. live and beta are not mirrored

[median matrix]

my thoughts too. just a convo starter question

[raw haven]

I also hope I can return to beta, bug hunting is fun and exploring new areas in early development is also really interesting

[late sonnet]

the effort is not what matters the most, it's just being there with the experience you have as a player to help in any way you feasibly can. it's not a contest on who can submit the most bug reports or the best feedback - it's just being there to help

this was already touched upon by mods earlier

[obsidian yoke]

Wait does it mean the Android won't have access to beta again? 👁👁

[astral surge]

i bet each platform will be released in less time than you think, but i definitely think it’ll be one at a time. probably based on the size of the player base for each platform but that is my own personal speculation

[lilac solstice]

Well since beta is about to be closed down, what was everyone's favorite bug to date? I think mine has to be the worm prop bug or the spider pants passage bug

[potent forge]

#beta-faq

[strong sentinel]

For a little while until they get some things settled

[ember ore]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/585611536358440960/1351259428439064660
"🔹For now, iOS-only access
Security improvements and preventing hacked leaks are a big focus for the next iteration of the beta program. Our team is working on ways to strengthen security for all current beta platforms. It will take time for us to get Android and PC security protocols up to the level we need, so for now at least, beta testing will be limited to iOS devices."

[rugged kindle]

In my memory it's the radiance cape bug where its suddenly an older scrapped version and is stiff and everyone was treating like a pet

[icy sail]

agreed, besides we can't always find bugs all the time, which should be seen as a good thing 🐛

[late sonnet]

I'm sad I couldn't see the giant plushie bug but it looked incredible through other people's videos and pictures

but I got the giant jar prop bug and that was my highlight

[potent forge]

I don't think it's a bug per se... but I loved the little pig things that were the stand-ins for the first event currency tests.

Also.... the picnic table spam.

[lilac solstice]

I didn't get to see it either, but the worm bug was just hilarious

[late sonnet]

omg yeah when the bloom wormy was revealed to be 3 WLs altogether and all the WL in the peaks area vanished

[rugged kindle]

Omg I've completely forgotten about picnic table bug 😭

[maiden pond]

I hope the spider pants bug will be made as a real cosmetic for Days of Mischief.

[runic path]

Before prophecy||Season_intro_1_08||

[floral crystal]

Question, so if I'm understanding things correctly, beta testers will be cycled in and out, will the ones who get cycled out still have access to the beta chats or will they be cut off until they can rejoin?

[astral surge]

it was a live bug due to lack of beta testing, but the covid relief flower turning every instrument into a xylophone when you put it on was amazing iirc it also made umbrellas go upside down? that may have been another bug but it was such a fiasco. tgc didn’t beta test it so all the bugs in it were crazy. i don’t think anything else was ever NOT put into beta for testing since

[knotty summit]

Okay, since they're closing the Beta server soon, I guess I'll just login game and watch the Aurora concert until server closes don't stop me 😭😭

[raw haven]

Beta (also indev builds) are actually quite different things, and they have different problems, so some of bugs might happen as an unexpected result

I am saying this as a game translator who works directly with developers

[late sonnet]

I think they'll just get removed until they can rejoin, it makes the most sense given the nature of the NDAs
they will likely have a set period of time they will be active for

[potent forge]

Frankly, we don't know how future beta will be handled in detail yet, but it's likely that only the current active beta testers have access to beta channels and currently tested content.

[floral crystal]

[fast sandal]

[astral surge]

i assume each new cycle/access wipe will have different ndas, so i bet everything else would be wiped with any revoking of access. so you’ll probably have to sign multiple if you keep going for it

[frosty trout]

Beta channels will be accessible only by those who are current testers at the time

[rancid vigil]

!!!!! oh my.....which is understandable....

[frosty trout]

~~Honestly? Same ~~

[tawdry pine]

Understandable.
I do wonder... Is there a possibility of having these chats as read only and make new beta channels? Or would be simpler to just, role lock the current channels

[astral surge]

for the sanity of the staff i hope they’re just role locked

[white sparrow]

Hopefully tgc doesnt delete the old beta chats and keeps them as a good memory for those who wish to relive the chaos?
im feedbacking this

[dry steppe]

I’m sorry I spent so much time in group tests to get fired.

[shy ore]

raised hand
Sorry for ping but question since I woke up in the morning, only iOS can access in BETA?

[frosty trout]

We're looking at all the different options. There are a lot of different parts to it all, so we'll share more on that once we're ready to share announcements on all the rest

[waxen creek]

Complicated...

I saw a lot of feedback from the community and what happened was that they "masked" it.

"The prices aren't right for these items"

• Solution: Stop having the price in the beta

"Look, we don't think this season is right for launching"

• They launch it, they say they're looking into having a place for the season. To this day, the season doesn't have a place...

And now the beta will be more closed (ok), but they won't be able to say what's there, what's being tested...

My question is, what could have been the problem that caused this

But, as I always say: disappointed, but not surprised (especially in these long years)

and

Who am I in the bread line?

-By the way, there's a chance the hammer will come down on me after this...

[spark lance]

Goodbye IAP, I can't try you on and make a budget for you now

[tawdry pine]

Alrighty then, thank you for answering

[ember ore]

For now, yes
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/585611536358440960/1351259428439064660
🔹For now, iOS-only access
Security improvements and preventing hacked leaks are a big focus for the next iteration of the beta program. Our team is working on ways to strengthen security for all current beta platforms. It will take time for us to get Android and PC security protocols up to the level we need, so for now at least, beta testing will be limited to iOS devices.

[astral surge]

reminder that iaps are a huge factor on tgc devs having a stable job and their bills paid

[umbral haven]

Goodbye to beta testers in 3 days, it's been a good 4 years

[frosty trout]

We have never banned or even muted anyone/removed posts/etc. for posting opinions that were critical of the game or the studio. Critical feedback is welcome, as is positive feedback, and the same rules apply to both: That comments are respectful towards all members of the community.

[shy ore]

I see. Seems like I started to aware of things for a long time. nods

[spark lance]

Never ban a chat comment but refuse to read it multiple times

[candid ember]

ummm…Excuse me, where is the application form?

[ember ore]

its not released yet
It will be released with more information about the NDA and the beta testing in the near future

[lilac solstice]

It isn't out yet. It'll be posted on a later date

[white sparrow]

Imma go solemly chill in the most cursed game area who can find me?

[rugged kindle]

They do read all feedbacks, it's just only as much they can realistically apply to the actual game and they're professionals as well

[candid ember]

OK，thank you

[spark lance]

You depend them

[white thorn]

oh my beta skykid🥹 I will miss you

[rugged kindle]

What do you mean, I've put some feedbacks, some are constructive and they do read them even if changes aren't immediate

[raw haven]

I have a question since no one asked about it. I remember Light Awaits was available only in a few countries, so will be the new beta access region locked? Or it's possible to rejoin to new beta tester program whatever where you live?

[candid ember]

For the time being, it is only released on the iOS side.

[sharp hearth]

~~Why ping a dev ~~

[strong sentinel]

Don't tag devs for chat related things please
Also why is this comment bad

[proper glen]

it's not worth pinging one of the game developers about discord moderation concerns. that person's message isn't breaking any rules as it is

[quiet hinge]

Is there anything that can change this decision I cannot accept my contribution being deleted

[craggy gull]

I am a little curious if the players we have in our constellation will be lost

[ruby bobcat]

idk, its okay if you dont like everything tgc does. but just because they dont do a thing you want them to, doesnt mean theyre ignoring you.
#beta-discussion message

[ember ore]

yes, but you can try seeing if you can add them as friends in live!

[hot tendon]

everything will be deleted, if you get invited then itll be a completely new moth account

[frosty trout]

Your beta account may be reset, but the contributions you made to beta still exist

[rugged kindle]

Yeah and it'll be permanent once some of it hits live

[knotty summit]

Oh my, all those years, all those efforts...... and now vanished... Urgh—

[floral crystal]

Will the base game need to be completed in order to test from here on out? Or will that automatically be bypassed so new testers can get straight to testing?

[strong sentinel]

Good night beta chat. May we all who wish to keep being beta testers get into new revamped beta and continue an amazing job

[sudden pine]

i dunno, as a result of my bug reporting; we don't have spider pants or giant attack plushies....

[quiet hinge]

It would be a real shame if anything previously provided was deleted.

[sage sparrow]

Gonna see alot of new people in the live chats now lol

[late sonnet]

it's aaaaalll getting wiped
sayonara

[hot tendon]

this was always a risk with beta, we knew this going into it

[shy ore]

I was listening to relaxing music to punk music cuz I know something bad will happen in BETA @~@

[rugged kindle]

Yk it's like I was asked by a small studio to draw an illustration and once the product goes live, I can be like hey I drew this (depending on NDAs anyways)

[knotty summit]

I know but— it just take times to accepted and get used to it

[frosty trout]

Live is the place to go if you want progress and closets to be permanent. Beta is the place to test and experiment and, when needed, reset things 👩‍🔬 🧪

[soft vine]

I'm concerned for the wiki
Yeah thanks, I will feedback

[frosty trout]

And that's fair

[tawdry pine]

I'm confused on what "deleting anything contributed" means cause like, live's right there, that's the product of beta testing!

It's not like beta having a reboot is just a "Game's deleted, go home"

[cobalt cloak]

Beta exclusive lab coat cape when? /silly

[lilac solstice]

I'm sure the wiki will still be okay. They'll just be updating when stuff hits live

[rugged kindle]

Wiki will be fine, I've seen many wiki update contents as the official releases happen instead of beta. They'll manage it alright xD

[quiet hinge]

You deleted everything, what do we have to test 🤣🤣 bad decision