beta-discussion

[untold flame]

yeah this looks super wack in my opinion

[kindred fossil]

I still firmly believe that shared spaces have no place in social hubs

[livid mural]

I'm already extremely annoyed having to hide garbage candles around grannys table, now they've evolved to lanterns

If they wanna go ahead with it pls disable the option to put candles around grannys and geyser

It looks like as if children didn't pick up after themselves after playtime :""D

[remote flame]

i think the shared spaces should be in or near social hubs but as shrines not placeable spells. the one in prairie is very nice for hanging out and i miss being able to share your space with the whole server. that did have it's issues though

[kindred fossil]

I meant spells, sorry. I'm fine with shrines since they're out of the way

[twilit cliff]

The color is too strong and the lantern itself so big..I don't know how I would feel if they make it live..

[untold flame]

just found out about the bloom prices 💀 i remember being so happy when the sakura cape came out when i was a newish player, since it was accessible for me, look how far we've come /neg

[kindred fossil]

All these suggestions to change the shape of the lanterns, I feel no matter what shape it may take it will always feels cluttered

[remote flame]

candle inflation, they are being transparent about wanting us to buy candle packs 😓 it's becoming unreasonable though even if you have everything else that's 220 candles just from the new stuff im pretty sure

[untold flame]

exactly, at this point i've stopped caring about cosmetics for the most part, though the same sadly can't be said for many other players and it turns into a big competition

[spark lance]

OHH YEAH I could write a big essay about fomo with events, and how people get burnt out due to the increased candle prices! And unfortunately, the same thing is happening with the 2023 prices, like 220 for both?

[jovial peak]

i dont have hope that they will get rid of the feature so i at least want it to look prettier :')

[remote flame]

i practically sent an essay in feedback on that and other things, i had to break it up into parts though because it couldn't get past the content filter because of it's length. it basically boiled down to saying tgc is gonna lose their paying fanbase if they keep pushing people to pay to get anything with every event. eventually even the biggest whales will get brunt out

[untold flame]

fr, they’re smart about this stuff, rubbed me the wrong way when they made a much-wanted TS appear during the last leg of season of aurora which is when people would’ve been grinding for the cure for me pants

[opaque shell]

which ts was it? i missed it

[untold flame]

almost sure it was yeti

[remote flame]

they did the same thing during little prince, im surprised none of those spirits came back though it's been long enough that they are back at the top of most wanted ts

[spark lance]

At this point I should write and essay and I’ve been considering it for awhile it’s just constant event after event, more candles each event that comes around, which comparing 21 (70 candles) to 23 (120) ITS JUST.

[untold flame]

RIGHT i remember there was some fairly accurate TS “guessing” happening in the community at that time so people were slightly more mentally prepared (at least my friend group) but it’s still such a sucky and obvious candle earning ploy man

[spark lance]

I wasn’t here for that either, since I took a break around shattering/Aurora mainly due to the burnout but ISNSNS I see the point, well wanted ts being put so more people buy candle packs but it’s still hurtful as players as they miss out on one or the other

[remote flame]

i remember hearing that tgc got hacked and that's why like 8 traveling spirits got leaked but they were all some of the most wanted ones

[spark lance]

OHH YEAH I remember that

[untold flame]

dreams was the first season i legitimately participated in and yeti was the only spirit whose constellation i couldn’t complete, i remember being so sad when they scheduled yeti for then since i was dead sure it wouldn’t come back soon just like juggler

[spark lance]

Anyways yes back to beta, I feel like in-game items are just going to inevitably higher, I’m just hoping through feedback for bloom we get listened to

[untold flame]

yep, it was some kind of leak(?) of the items that travelling spirits would have in their constellations that was used to extrapolate what the spirits themselves were

[untold flame]

for real dawg, unrelated but i also feel the item designs are getting lazier, the bunny mask for this year’s lny being a recolour of the dreams bunny was just 🗿

[spark lance]

You guys are really inspiring me to write that essay rn HELP

[spark lance]

Hey the shape was altered at least. Now it’s arguably nicer than the original dreams lol

[untold flame]

i’m not even an actual beta player (i like to stay up-to-date via nastymold) but i may just write one myself at this point 😭😭

[upbeat junco]

hopefully we get some issues adressed 😦

[remote flame]

you are welcome to write feedback on beta content regardless of if you are a tester so go ahead! i think those rising prices with every event are obviously a problem and the more people who send feedback the more likely they are to listen (in theory)

[untold flame]

oh fr? will do in that case 👍🏼

[spark lance]

The small annoying bugs are getting overshadowed by the price craze. We still auto stand after we emote while sitting for ex. What a nuisance

[untold flame]

if only they focused on fixing bugs instead of cranking out overpriced cosmetics :/

[spark lance]

Anyways yeah I’m writing that essay, give me a few days (I’m starting now HWHAH)! Also, anyone find the new memory candle feature a lil weird? and it made the area look too noisy/crowded, I think candles jusr work better overall

[spark lance]

Well, beta does put a lot of spotlight demand on cosmetics lol

Beta and sky players in general, really

[indigo gale]

I don't mind them but really just want a toggle to hide them all at once instead of clicking them seperately.

[spark lance]

OOOO thats fair!!

[spark lance]

I need this to happen asap. My patience is wearing on these memory candles lol

[remote flame]

if i'm being honest i don't even like the memory candle function too much as is, yes i like placing notes for others to find and it's fun and cute but also the clutter from just the candles doesn't look great and i kinda miss not having them everywhere if they were less intrusive and able to be toggled that would be great

[gilded parrot]

I've been wondering that as well! Remember that your struggles can help many players in the Live version, and that feedback is extremely useful for TGC! Please submit them in #beta-feedback after getting help here Just be sure to read #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues first

[spark lance]

So few people reports live bugs so they never get put on #known-issues thus they never get fixed

[indigo gale]

I'm just scared for when they hit live and they get placed around Granny's. I already accidentally click candles when trying to burn the baos. I don't want to accidentally click into someone's shared space and miss out spending time with Granny.

[spark lance]

Anyways beta it’s 11:24 am and school starts tommrow, CATCHA!

[ashen sundial]

Maybe shared spaces can be restricted to wax areas, like boats are restricted to water only, and shared memories are restricted be placed away from the spawning plataform at home

[naive vigil]

I watched a video about the season of rememberance, the rememberance guide had two plushies at the top of the tree in the video. Does anyone know if that'll actually happen? I need to figure out how many hearts/candles I need to save for days of bloom and all that

[misty bone]

any one had crashing issues in vault when you enter?

[hollow parcel]

Beta randomly crashes since last update.

Its mentioned in known issues that game will crash if you are close to shared space lanters, which are now everywhere 😅

[misty bone]

i only had issues in vault at the moment, and doesnt seemed like shared space lanterns are around

[ashen sundial]

I used to report live bugs, but after I report them several other people report the same bug over and over again to get the compensation of reporting, so I just stopped... I try to help, not to get any compensation, and turns out my reports later get several copies and just ruin the channel

[hollow parcel]

I crashed in forest yesterday, didnt have time to see if there were any lanterns and wasnt in the mood to go back since then.

[misty bone]

mine was vault's walkway to main lobby area... .-. reminds me of an old bug... i had no issue if i was in the current seasonal area and walked out

[hollow parcel]

They are working on it and hopefully will fix it in next build ❤

[misty bone]

thank you for your response as well. I will bug report it then

[bold venture]

Is it just me that whenever i go to vault my sky crashes?

[remote flame]

i feel like that gets reported a lot every other update 😅 i had that problem a while ago

[misty bone]

U can try warp to the current seasonal area and walked out, I had that issue as well. Tried twice.

[spark lance]

Beta maintenance??

[sudden pine]

🧹

[remote flame]

it's for the butterfly thing i think

[neat gale]

Hello is this the right chat box to ask about the Cosmetics on beta?

[remote flame]

this channel is mostly for beta testers to talk about beta testing stuff, you might be able to find screenshots of the cosmetics in #beta-screenshots-videos but we are not supposed to honor outfit requests.

[frosty trout]

This maintenance is for backend stuff that likely won't have an effect on current beta bugs

[sudden pine]

miraculously theres no candles or lanterns of any kind at the geyser !

can they not be placed here any more? i dont have any to try it

[kindred fossil]

You can claim free lanterns from the spell boat

[sudden pine]

yea but i used em 🙂

[kindred fossil]

Okay I'll donate to your cause

[kindred fossil]

I just placed one at the geyser, can you please check if you'll see it?

[sudden pine]

went back, still don't see anything. But i dont know if it put me back in the same instance i was in before ?

let me try to fly there to see if it puts me in a different instance

[kindred fossil]

Thank you for checking, maintenance is about to start ><

[sudden pine]

i know, im flyin as fast as i can 🙂

nope nothin

can try pokin at it later i guess

[kindred fossil]

There's no lanterns at Granny either

[iron elbow]

based

[lilac solstice]

That's so wonderful actually

[tiny spruce]

So I bought the bugged pants from bloom before they were fixed…does that mean I wouldn’t be able to get the pants anymore??

[kindred prawn]

I was excited there was a door

[sharp yew]

tgc removed the assembly rocks for lanterns for rememberance

and now, they removed the memory candles for lanterns

what beef do they have with the seasons in april 😭/lh

[brisk topaz]

Forgot about the maintenance

[kindred fossil]

The door: 🚪

[strong sun]

i forgot about maintenance too

[frosty trout]

It's okay, maintenance didn't forget about you

[ashen sundial]

@broken bison what would the cheat mode do?
And the experimental toggle, what things should be cataloged as experimental and which part of a regular beta update?

[broken bison]

Debug Mode is for technical purposes only. Like you can summon creatures, krills, endless flight. LITERALLY CREATIVE MODE XD
Experimental toggle will enable early WIP stuff thats not available for normal beta players.

[ashen sundial]

Ohh sounds good

/summon wither

[broken bison]

And if you activate it, The game will say something to make you feel guilty lol.

"Welcome to Debug mode."

"Debug mode is beta exclusive and it's made for technical purposes only. Only you, and the entire Kingdom of Sky
You can go back to play fair and see your friends if you disable Debug Mode."

Uh oh..

[sudden pine]

creative mode: spawn krill eggs

[frosty trout]

@broken bison Can you please edit your post above to use a different phrase to refer to hackers? Namely one that doesn't use color as a disparaging term?

Feel free to daydream about basically being able to get a debug feature in the live version of the game, I can't say that kind of stuff is on the planning radar though

[broken bison]

Debug mode is the same thing? :0

[frosty trout]

@broken bison this is the post I was referring to to please edit. Thank you in advance

[ashen sundial]

"Feel free to daydream about being able to get a debug feature in the live version" takes more wings away than a krill

Edit: I understand the reasoning of why not have one, but the comment itself was funny

[stuck condor]

im sure in the right hands that could be very helpful for finding bugs

not my hands though. I’m gonna try and dodge 60 krills at once

[broken bison]

I guess so. I have two more UIs only focused on these "Dev/Debug mode"

Game rules, summon creatures. You know, Sky: Creative mode.

||"Snap back to reality my friend X,,,D"||

[scarlet moon]

Personally I'd love a private server in the game [that friends can join] where we can mess around with stuff like that. Kinda like LittleBigPlanet or Minecraft but as Sky. It'd only be restricted to that specific area.
Basically shared spaces on steroids.

[stuck condor]

imagine like shared spaces but bigger, you can make your own entire levels and place things like crab spawns and custom spirits

[scarlet moon]

PLEASE 💖

[stuck condor]

Sagomay give me dev tools I promise I won’t spawn 6000 krills in isle please 🙏

[broken bison]

Bro just changed words 💀

[maiden pond]

The game wouldn't even function by then. The game would have gotten krilled by the time you stepped foot in the realm.

[broken bison]

Summon krills on prairie

[scarlet moon]

In a hypothetical world where they gave limited players dev tools, if I had them, I'd put so many butterflies and manta everywhere. I'd make it randomly rain in Prairie. I'd allow customization of cosmetics' colors so we have a few color palette options for each cosmetic so everything is capable of matching.

So many people would abuse the system and break the game if they had those tools, meanwhile I'd just make things more customizable and pretty.

[steep shell]

Day 347483 of begging for a day/night mode on all realms

[stuck condor]

Honestly I really want them to add a new years firework event in prairie like that one artwork (forgor where it is I’ll link it if I find it lol)

[gilded parrot]

Hello beloved citizens! Skybot here to remind you all that if you are having trouble finding something in Beta, please submit that to TGC in #beta-feedback! You may ask here if you are struggling, but together we can help many Live skykids have a great experience Remember to check #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues as well!

[fierce thunder]

Imagine overlapping music though LOL

[scarlet moon]

I'd also put more candles everywhere. Daily max being 50.

[ashen sundial]

Use map shrines, that's how I summoned the dragon 1 or 2 months before fortune xD

[steady flume]

I'd put a manta near a krill and see if the other kills also react to them or if it's just the first krill that's programmed to do that

[fast skiff]

What makes you think that by making those changes, it won’t result in some backend malfunctions?

[stuck rose]

They dont like memory candles because it gave more free charge overall

[fast skiff]

I’d do whatever to see my frendo dragon more often

[scarlet moon]

Never said it wouldn't. I know from Steam Workshop modding tools for other games that adding anything new can break anything already there.
I'm just saying that most people would spam krills, meanwhile I'd make the realms even safer and prettier.

[fast skiff]

breaks the game but with style 💅

[agile hazel]

Baby krill do do do do do do do

[ashen sundial]

Guys ik it's off topic and it is random, but in average- how long it takes for new wave invite? A couple weeks, several seasons, or the amount of time it took the yeti to come as TS?

[delicate moth]

It’s random, as in whenever they need new testers

[fierce thunder]

I mean you could probably look at the full invite waves in the channel and make an estimation from there?
Mostly random though

[fast skiff]

Beta invites are random and upon devs demand - #beta-faq tells more if you’re interested to learn about beta program

[scarlet moon]

Been here for about three years, and it's completely random actually. It can take anywhere from a few weeks to a few months.

[upbeat junco]

they basically do it whenever the active testers amount dips below of threshold

[ashen sundial]

[wary star]

if i had dev tools i would be oobing

[full hearth]

also a little note that when beta waves do come out theyre only open for like 5 minutes so be ready at all times

[left quest]

The second I got the ping I never reacted so fast in my life BABHAHAHA

[ashen sundial]

I'll even shower with my phone on me if necessary

[gilded parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[left quest]

The timing 😭

[gilded basin]

[stuck rose]

Lets clear geyser they said… adds more weird stuff to realms polluting it with paper, lanterns, shared spaces and micro plastic

[gilded parrot]

bye

[frosty trout]

Aside, I'd also like to ask that for any moderation-type requests I've made in the chat, that folks let me handle the follow-up

[sudden pine]

aw skybot

[kindred prawn]

what do you mean by moderation type requests

[frosty trout]

Requests that I make that are related to moderating the chat

[sudden pine]

indeed you can't put a thing inside grandma's, but you can put it in the door and walk your memory in there 🙂 (also you can't tiptoe in a memory apparently)

[upbeat junco]

thinking outside the box

[hybrid sable]

does anyone happen to know what the tweaks to Bloom’s new cape are

[kindred fossil]

Seems to have been saturated in color, that's it

[late sonnet]

It's also less /fly all over the place/ floppy for the lower petals

[left quest]

I’d love a cape with the same physics as Confident Sightseer’s hair. (wheeze)

[solid dune]

Did y’all notice how in the latest live patch they silently removed the idle wax from the social areas but they told us it was removed in beta updates, which stirred a lot of commotion

[spark lance]

I noticed that, but thought I was going crazy... Of course they're going to silently remove it instead of announcing it though, I'm not surprised it's a removal nobody wanted.

[oak remnant]

Oh? I didn't realise they did that 😂 so that's the reason why I feel like it wasn't discussed enough in gen.....

[frosty trout]

I did include that intended change to the hot springs and "waterfall" in Vault in the patch notes for 0.20.0 patch notes. The change appeared to not work as originally intended after that went live, though, so it was one of the things iterated on for further testing/fixing

[errant ember]

still disappointing

[upbeat junco]

truly

[ashen sundial]

You float

[sudden pine]

i seem to float or maybe walk in that one

[desert token]

rather than that, the timer to stop collecting wax while afk has reduced from 10 to 2 minutes with handhold (still 10 with piggyback). unclear if intended or not, but this is in live already

[dry ibex]

Is it really two minutes? That’s insane I thought it was +/- 5 minutes

[floral crystal]

The blue wax area in the vault no longer gives idle wax in live, it's just a candle cake

[errant ember]

same with hotsprings

[desert token]

it has originally always been:
2 min gives small zzz and u sit down if stationary (still collecting wax)
10 min gives large ZZZ and you lie down if stationary (wax collection is stopped)

for 0.20.1 and forward it seems if you are being dragged with handhold, even small zzz will cause u to stop collecting wax

[kindred prawn]

I thought it was 5MIN??? Is it just 2 now??

[desert token]

those changes to the idle areas are intended and have been communicated in patch notes though. I agree that removing all social light spots (except wind paths… 💀) is not only quite out of touch but also an accessibility issue though

[white sparrow]

What do y’all think about the memory lanterns being flowers instead and when we activate the spell the sky child does a planting the seed animation and the flower blooms to have a daimond follow you like the lantern does right now

[dry ibex]

I mean two minutes is so disappointing... this means that if a friend is ubering, just making some tea while being ubered results is ‘losing wax’?

While I may understand the removal of idle wax, the two minute timer just forces us to stare at the screen continuously. This really takes a bit of joy out of the game imo

[kindred prawn]

Is this 2min timer in beta or already in live?

[desert token]

I agree, but since we don’t know if it’s intended or not I won’t make any final judgments yet. since only friends being dragged with handhold (not piggy) stop at 2 min, I don’t know if it’s intended.

and yes it’s already in live with 0.20.1

[dry ibex]

I wish there was some communication on the timer issue as well... seen as it is in live, I’m not really sure whether to report it as feedback or a bug report

[kindred prawn]

And on the fact that you need more wax to get rid of your chevs

[dry ibex]

Was this confirmed?

[kindred prawn]

Yes. There is infographics by a couple people regarding this. Idk the keyword to search tho, ask in QnH Chanel

[oak remnant]

Wait I didn't know this. I feel like getting rid of those cevs is easier for me. It usually takes 45 minutes or more for me to CR to get rid of that. Which I really grateful of 🤌

[dry ibex]

The candle economy is in shambles

[steady flume]

#questions-and-help message
the graph is here

[dry ibex]

The newly added cakes in the hotsprings and in vault are pretty nice IMO, that makes CR in dreams kind of more fun. I do see that as an improvement, but the timer..........

[steady flume]

it's an improvement for those who never used the social light, but for those who did it must be a very unwelcome change

[dry ibex]

I agree! For me personally, my fps droppes immediately when entering the hotsprings. Feels like that place & the vault social wax was the least used in comparison to the other idle spots.

Regardless, there at least was some communication about on that front!

[glacial barn]

Must confess, I miss the social light. It was nice being able to rest at these spots and practice music during breaks instead of candle running... When time is limited, I don't want to spend my time in sky candle running every time I log in

[sage steppe]

"Hey guys, we've added sustaining instruments, songs in collaboration with our favorite singer, and brand new stuff."

"Cool so if I sit and play music in a social space, I can collect a small fraction of the wax I'd be earning during a run?"

"lol."

[oak remnant]

This thou. This is the sole reason I use social light and the fact that you can just chill with friends there and still got wax

[steady flume]

yeah it was mentioned, did we get any reason why though? it just seems weird that social light was added as the new big thing a while ago and then it was removed again

[spark lance]

So technically with the new daily light system 5-10-15 candle runners need bit more wax to get their candles while 20 candle runners gets a little advantage needing a bit less to reach grey candle meter

[errant ember]

social light helped a lot for me and my friends to actually play together without fear of not getting enough candles, we were able to have a good time
also it was an inside joke to find one of us afking

[dry ibex]

To be honest, I think if there were longer breaks between events and/or seasons, we wouldn’t feel burned out as easily as now.

Talking / hanging out during CR gets draining faster. Longer breaks equal more time to enjoy the game rather than speedrunning all realms after work and before & after making dinner

[steady flume]

from what I understand, the amount of wax hasn't changed. you still need as much wax to reach 20 candles as before. however, you need to collect slightly more wax to get rid of the chevrons, while the final 5 candles (no chevrons) take a bit less wax to forge. the average player who doesn't collect 20 candles every day would have to collect more wax basically

so 20 candle candle runners don't really get an advantage, but 5-10-15 candle runners get a slight disadvantage

[dry ibex]

I am not entirely sure if we have been given a reason, but it has been discussed profusely in this channel. I have to look into it!

[dry ibex]

Oh that’s a really clear explanation!!

[outer badge]

hey I'm struggling on the 4th quest I don't have the new teapot to place
what do I do

[kindred prawn]

Some people say the reason why is you’re supposed to b social and not always AFKing while playing the game, but I feel like this is not the way to go at it. Yknow what I mean?

Some people have busy lives and can only get candles by afk by the campfires while doing work/studying/making food/etc

[oak remnant]

It was not clarified by the Dev but I like how Tib's opinion on this. I like the idle spots but I don't like players overusing them especially being afk on it.

By Tib
#beta-discussion message

[kindred prawn]

I think the reason why anyone would “overuse” the afk spots is bc they’re busy people and can’t spare an hr or two to cr everyday. So they just relax by the campfires and get their candles that way. Beside using the afk spots doesn’t affect you in any way so… what don’t you like about players using the afk areas?

I don’t see why tgc sees this as a problem. Certainly they understand as they have full time jobs too

[errant ember]

yeah you cant say “welllll if you dont have time you dont need to play” after getting rid of a fix for ppl that are often busy

[sharp star]

Guys, I was wondering when will next season start? I missed the invitation last season, so I really want to join next season

[gilded parrot]

@sharp star, Beta testers do not receive information in advance and no one knows when something will happen. Please check out #news for Live announcements and #beta-announcements for what's currently being tested in Beta.

[oak remnant]

I am a busy person, I only play once a week due to work 😂 But the way I see it is that I don't need to play when I can't. That's another way to see it. Again, it's just discouraging for me to see people being afk, like the server being dead and not lively. It's just not something that I would expect on a social game. But people have different playstyle so you do you

[dry ibex]

Yes! This reasoning is what I remembered as well, which I totally understand.

The absence of breaks, the higher cost of everything and the shortened afk-timer is just taking away a little bit of the joy.

Even from a “Im not busy”-standpoint, the whole ubering service helps people who can’t look at their screen for 2-5 hours on end. My friends & I voicechat often while someone is doing CR, we get to enjoy the game but that also means that we don’t look necessarily at our screens 24/7.

Taking away the idle spots but letting us have an AFK timer of 5-10 minute seems reasonable to me, it gives us some breathing room

In my opinion it’s just fun to still be around your friends, while you have the room to be like “hey guys I’m gonna cook my rice real quick, afk!”. But I guess that’s gone now

[glacial barn]

I remember in the first days of bloom, the afk wax really was a blessing. I had a friend who was a student who I'd talk with while our skids chilled under the tree. At the time, I was filling out job applications while they were studying.

I think that's when the social aspect of sky really became apparent to me... Before that when it was just candle runs, other players terrified me tbh - I just wanted to play solo

[cobalt jacinth]

I'm on a different point of view: looking at sleeping Skykids or non reacting friends was pretty much not social to me

[dry ibex]

I really relate to this! This is what builds friendship and what makes me log in every day.

It’s not hours on end of afk’ing, but it’s the “let’s take a small break together while we do some real life stuff” (especially when your friends live in completely different timezones and it’s the only time you get to see them)

[kindred prawn]

then go to another skykid that is social if you want social; there are many reasons your friends/skykids may be AFK

[dry ibex]

Your viewpoint of the idle spots I agree with too. The overload of afk-players at interactive spots were disrupting gameplay too (carry spirits, granny, geyser) and feels a bit more lonely being in an AFK server

[oak remnant]

But I can get why so many are upset due to this reason! Imagine holding your bladder because you're afraid you won't get wax 🤡 I mean small stuff do happens when people are doing CR. And I agree about the breather ahaha

[kindred prawn]

certainly you can understand other people have busy lives, im not sure why youd be so discouraged by it or that it would bother you so much to see others afk. if you dont like seeing skykids afk, just dont go by the campfires

[maiden pond]

(You'd have to go by the campfires in Valley of Triumph's Elder temple maze.) But other than that, yeah.

[vapid river]

I agree. You shouldn’t have to focus so heavily, but there is a limit as to how long you should be afk as well. Maybe a timer on how long it’s been since you made an input so you’re encouraged to at least pay a little attention

[kindred prawn]

well tru if you're cr there.. but rlly i dont see how afk skykids would bother some people so much. like just let them play however they wish

[maiden pond]

Yeah they don't bother me either.

[kindred prawn]

there's been an afk timer. it was 10, then it was 5 then its now 2... pretty soon thered be no afk timer at all lol and you go afk the second your finger leaves the screen 😂 and you get no wax

[vapid river]

Good point, I don’t know, maybe they could just bring back social wax and make you get bonus for talking or playing instruments or something

[ashen tusk]

Not everyone at social spots were afk, some would chat or play music or play with the crabs etc. but now that the social spots don't have idle wax I see nobody lurking there to goof around and that makes me sad more so than seeing a few sleeping kids here and there

[tidal aurora]

i just wish there was an option to chose social, non social, or an even mix of both so youre more likely to merge with those with the same as you

[glacial barn]

I would love this tbh. So much. Maybe then I'd actually see more of my old friends who stopped playing due to burnout. Hell, maybe I'd log in more myself these days instead of watching Netflix

[spark lance]

I remember back in my super early days of sky, I would sometimes be at the forest campfire talking with someone for a while, which let us both gain wax while talking together.. I don't do that anymore since I'm too anxious to chat with other players, but knowing that people that joined after this change won't ever get to experience that is really upsetting

[ashen tusk]

It's why I enjoy playing at granny and geyser too, but apparently people dislike that too, sky: children of no having fun whilst getting wax

[twin isle]

I loved practicing guitar in forest or daylight social fire while getting wax. I spend hours practicing songs and now I have to do it having that little voice in the back of my head nagging me about how I should be CRing instead. Definitely puts a damper on playing there. It is disappointing. The social light fire wax would allow me to say "at least I can get some wax and goof off". Now I feel if I just play and don't help burn the soot balls that people might get mad at me too

[oak remnant]

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DONT ENJOY GEYSER AND GRANNY? 😭 It's my favourite place to hang out with my friends while still getting some wax

[kindred fossil]

I haven't seen anyone at those spots since, maybe a few players, but they won't stick around long. The wax balls are disruptive no matter what your role is

[ashen tusk]

I mean people don't enjoy when you're playing instruments or chatting at geyser and granny because "get up and help"

[twin isle]

I enjoy granny, but not really geyser. Really bright there for me and so many people jump into the geyser to burn stuff that falls into the water it just knocks the urchins around and makes it frustrating to help burn. I usually just do granny now or the turtle event and amscray before the sunset disappears.

[ashen sundial]

Ughh I'm one of those ppl, I dislike to be there for 10 minutes without moving... yeah, you burn stuff every once in a while- but I prefer to fly around the world and collect candles or burn plants

[ashen sundial]

Only moment I enjoy granny or geyser is when I'm with friends cuz I takk more than get wax but other than that I just preffer normal cr

[oak remnant]

Ohh. Well that makes sense! Some people have the urge to keep moving even irl and you're probably one of those people

[spark lance]

I don't like geyser purely because people have harassed me to light them in the past, despite me trying to decline politely I don't like lighting people in geyser due to it already being bright there, and players usually have bright cosmetics so it makes my eyes hurt even more

[kindred prawn]

I don’t mind if people are playing instruments at granny/geyser but I do feel they should get ik and help instead of just running around

[oak remnant]

Geyser being bright is so real tho especially after they tweak the water reflection and the blinding switch after sunset 💀🤌

[late sonnet]

tbh I liked the removal of the wax flying to afk people at geyser because it was frustrating to be the only person working for it

[ashen sundial]

Ima really lazy person, I dont move a lot irl, but I just can't stay on one place for 10 min to get what I can get with diferent views
You can get the same amount of wax by visiting diferent areas, maybe taking a time near a cozy place, find some strangers and have a little fun with them etc

[ashen sundial]

You can have fun with strangers in grandma or geyser ofc, but its not the same, both places needs your atrention to watch for upcoming wax, but when youre in the wild you can just go to diferent areas with those people and just enjoy of everything that the realms have to offer

Im like this in every videogame I play, for example normal ppl in minecraft have trading halls to get everything, but I like to get that stuff by my own

[left quest]

I don’t really like the idea of making the AFK timer smaller, I can get why people like it removed, but there’s some times where I had to be AFK at granny’s or geyser because I don’t have much free time. This is making me feel like I need to give up more time for Sky when I just don’t have that time.

I’d participate when I could, yes, but I’m a busy person, I know other people are too.

[trail prairie]

Rejoice for the memory candles and boats finally not busying granny and geyser

And boo because afk timer keeps hurting the players

[pulsar hare]

A bit confused why the AFK timer change is discussed in this channel, and nowhere else

[kindred fossil]

Derailing

[narrow current]

Conversations in here usually derail to topics like that or why ultimate gifts should return or the economy of sky itself,, usually when a testing period is more "dry". Its interesting to watch how it circles back to it, like a cycle

[late sonnet]

ultimately all things in sky lead back into each other, esp candle currency because....event items expensive

[left quest]

No candles?
(I say to myself in the mirror.)

[pulsar hare]

Not saying it isn’t valid here
More that it’s concerning how little the rest of the community cares

[agile hazel]

More like they don't even know about it

[late sonnet]

they won't know about such changes until it hits live and a difference is noticed

[pulsar hare]

It is in live.

[narrow current]

But the live crowd is big so it usually gets drowned out by other conversations etc

[kindred fossil]

Even when they care, it gets out of hand that it has to be shut down, it's no longer a civil conversation

[narrow current]

When a beta change i dislike or disagree with is close to hitting live i usually move on from it and accept it tbh, kinda loss hope for it being changed idk. There has been times where some changes get reverted though thankfully

[late sonnet]

but it's a lot better now because seriously like
the few times I have busted a couple notes at geyser I do get up and start running around because otherwise that's wax I'm missing
then people just get lovely broken up segmented tunes

[trail prairie]

I mean general chat moves like a freight train. It's calmer here unless people are upset

I'm still upset about ps sound bug but my new year's wish is for tgc to just acknowledge it and get to warning people/locking the emotes until fixed

[narrow current]

That meditate emote sound bug was in beta months ago ironically, i wonder how it got to live lol

[late sonnet]

The way I see it is with the changes in idle wax being limited to events only, the reason it was introduced in the first place was to give players the ability to vary up their CR, which it did!
but as others have said, it caused a lot of inactivity -> lessening social aspect of game (which has a lot of mixed views)

So looking at it in the [varying up CR] angle, limiting it to events isn't that bad all things considered. It still keeps to the initial intent of having variety for CR, but at the cost of less afk friendly type of wax attainment.

[ashen tusk]

I usually do that too and honestly didn't think there was an issue about that, but I've learned otherwise lol

The thing about it limiting social aspects is weird cause it's no more limited the social aspect as having barely anybody at social spots now

[narrow current]

I think there could be ways were both sides coexist, but then again i don't really know how game deving works outside of a bssic level, i think nerfing social wax areas more or nerfing exploits to use them would've been the better option rather than removing them altoghether though

Hopefully in the future

[late sonnet]

that's kind of what happened with the change of social wax area to non idle wax -> active orb burning, and that was still met with backlash

[ashen sundial]

Amen

[ashen sundial]

I think I have been with you then

[ashen tusk]

They probably could have kept idle wax and nerfed the afk exploits, that way they could keep the afk timer above 5 minutes so you're not having to simply not blink at your screen during cr whilst also making sure players don't force the game to think they're active via the shop and music instrument tricks and then folks who want to actually sit and enjoy social spots more for the actual social aspects like playing music for friends or chatting no longer feel pressured to do a run beforehand where chatting and playing music is much faffier

Cause I stand by just not enjoying the whole getting up mid conversation to burn an annoyingly unburnable orb every few minutes when I could just be sitting enjoying gentle idle wax and having uninterrupted conversations/music playing

I also find that after I've done a candle run when idle wax was a thing I would go sit in social spots to chat with friends for the bonus of idle wax whereas now I'll just log off and chat on discord

[late sonnet]

honestly p true
unless we happen to be in home then I'll bust out my boat but even then it's just nicer for the idle wax to be there as a bonus for chatting

[whole plank]

unfortunately, idle wax has become a battle of wits with those trying to get around the AFK timer, and I suspect TGC is in the midst of searching for a more fundamental solution.

[unborn gale]

Anyone know how to become a butterfly in Ark right now? it’s not working 😅

[velvet fog]

I wonder when they will release another elder mask

[iron elbow]

let's see if something is accidentally scheduled to happen again in about 40 minutes

[sudden pine]

yea i was able to do it earlier but i dont remember what time that was

[whole plank]

oh, was the butterfly to be a timed event?

[twin isle]

Doot? I got an update notif but idk if it's a doot I forgot to install bc I've been busy recently.

Whoa it says update to season and bloom items. Season items getting updates?? 🤨

[spark lance]

Might have been yesterday's doot that you just got?

[left quest]

Are we just supposed to go to Ark or do we not know that yet?

[sudden pine]

thats for tomorrow, unless it accidentally happens today

[hazy prawn]

Something kind of random: But I think phones currently can run Sky easily without any performance problem.
I still don't know how TGC hasn't improved Sky on Android in the resolution itaddress Still do not know how the TGC has not improved Sky on Android in the tel resolution Still don't know how TGC hasn't improved Sky on Android in the screen resolution, Because the Sky graphics on Android are kind of blurry and how much on IOS are clean, to this day I do not understand this, I do not think it is because of compatibility problem because if that was the case the game would be exclusive to Apple, So I think it's just the TGC give more support to Android devices so there yes the game improve on Android devices
Just a remark on my part What do you think?

[lilac solstice]

Problem is there's so many different kinds of androids, so it's not really an easy fix to have the graphics run smooth like iOS. One android can run graphics well, but a lower end android might not be able to handle it as well.

[sleek pelican]

You never camp in #android-questions ?😂

[lilac solstice]

You'd have to account for several types of android devices, and not all of them will respond as well to the new updates

[unborn gale]

There were people yesterday who were discussing it working as far as turning them into butterflies, but maybe that’s been resolved right now 🥲 Oh well

[ashen tusk]

androids running on different os like jellybean icecream, momma's special potroast, and so on and all different model capacities it doesn't surprise me that android is tricky to game dev for

Also I do not know what the actual names are, they always some typa food so I tried

[hazy prawn]

I don't think it's by the type of Android device, but rather the Android hardware, because if it were just focused on devices it would be almost impossible to properly port Sky.

[iron elbow]

if android based devices were as uniform as ios, we would've had sky on smart fridges by now

[hazy prawn]

How PC: PC has different processors and video cards, so think how it would port to support each video card

[cobalt jacinth]

It's a very pushing approach to what I said therefore please tone down. Nobody is "so discouraged". Nobody needs advice here, don't double ping me for that. You're missing important points: because the number of players in a server instance are limited and I can't decide who I merge with and obviously TGC won't code merge behavior based on activity. The context above my message was home bloom tree (you missed that too) and many spots are in the ways of candle runs as well. I - amongst my many irl stuff - like seeing active interactive people around when I play the game that's all

[lilac solstice]

Just to note, there are over 24000 android devices that have been created (according to a quick Google search). Not exactly easy to code to accommodate even a small fraction of that because there's so many.

[livid mural]

My Oppo struggling in Sanct:

And it's specifically Sanct, maybe because there's so much movement happening there

[lilac solstice]

Sanctuary made one of my old android phones lag hard too. It was all the mantas

[livid mural]

Nerf the mantas/j

But then again my fav part in all of Sanct is the manta flock 😭🫠

Most of the time I do geyser my fps will get extra crunchy

[hazy prawn]

Android below 8.1 do not count
Since the game is only compatible above 8.1

[left quest]

I bit the charging cable too hard.

[lilac solstice]

Either way, it's still a lot of devices to account for

[rain latch]

Is anyone else having the issue with the 8th quest I believe where you have to set up a memory for the young spirit which usually requires the tiny Manta and a tiny crab but that is not in my inventory when I enter the memory

[spark lance]

Sky makes my phone overheat, so I have to use my switch 99% of the time I wish I could use my phone for sky more, but the heat gets so bad that it hurts to touch my phone (and this is from someone who frequently burns himself while cooking to the point that doesn't bother him), and that heat also causes my phone to lag tremendously + lose power VERY fast

[hazy prawn]

I think the sanctuary was poorly optimized, nowadays it is already much more optimized.

[livid mural]

Sanct making peoples phones crunchier than yo grandmas knees/lh

[lilac solstice]

It seems to be bugged unfortunately

[cobalt jacinth]

That's only a small fracture of phones. Back then at android 8 times the phone market was slower in terms of new devices

[rain latch]

Ah okay thank you 💕

[hazy prawn]

Of any Either way, Sky was to have only 1gb and not 1.7GB of storage consumption

[iron elbow]

tgc optimizing the game for android based washers, dryers, and ovens: ✍️

[left quest]

They figured out I play on the android vacuum.

[hazy prawn]

I still don't know why the maps of the old Sky are on the current Sky (I saw a bug on YouTube that accessed the old maps)

[lilac solstice]

Now you can clean and play sky at the same time!!!1!1!1 Truly the device of all time

[ashen tusk]

yesterday I complained about playing the bugle in jam session and now double five just crashes my game again when I ask to jam today, fine then

[late sonnet]

why did I suddenly think of sky themed washing machine

[livid mural]

Am interested

Maybe they're reusing assets
Its not uncommon for TGC to do so

[iron elbow]

it's just another use of the cloud toilet

[ashen tusk]

what if wasteland whirlpool is just the washing machine setting and not a toilet

[lilac solstice]

Lil tip I found a bit back, if you turn your wifi off, you can play with them

[late sonnet]

_no it's because I'm a background artist at heart so anything in my mind automatically goes to making use of environment assets _

[livid mural]

At least you don't have to worry about being afk for so long while you do your business

[hazy prawn]

At least they could let access to the old maps but it wasn't official, just an old memory of the past.

[late sonnet]

tbh I did have a couple people think the cloud toilet was a washing machine at first so it's a valid thought
what is a washing machine but a toilet flipped the other way

[ashen tusk]

just tried and sky yelled at me to turn my wifi back on and then crashed

[lilac solstice]

Oh no my work around the crash fails

[left quest]

Sky - 1
Bubba - 0

[late sonnet]

powered by the deaths of everyone cycling through orbit every day

[livid mural]

I tried searching for cloud toilet because I honestly don't know what it is and all I get are cloud shaped toilet paper roll holders

[ashen tusk]

#completed-sky-fanart-and-creations message

[late sonnet]

for context, this is how it started: #beta-discussion message

[rare carbon]

Developer mode looks fun, where i can find this menu?

[gilded parrot]

Reminder that if you are struggling to find something, please remember to submit it in #beta-feedback after asking here, as that feedback is very valuable for TGC and can help many players in Live! Make sure to check #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues as well

[spark lance]

It's an edit

[livid mural]

OH LMAOOO I SEE 😭😂😂😂

[lilac solstice]

Can we talk about how good that art is despite being for the funnies

[late sonnet]

I aspire to inspire fear in artistic quality of memes

[ashen tusk]

cy never slacking off even for the lols

[left quest]

Drag bunny >>>

[lilac solstice]

I aspire to get to that level one day

[late sonnet]

#beta-screenshots-videos message
if you wanna see the progression to the final product, start here

[livid mural]

I panicked I thought I was gonna be late for the bloom test thing lmao turns out its tomorrow for me

I aspire to get good at backgrounds because I absolutely can n o t

Most of the backgrounds I do are a mashup of paint blobs in the hopes if I gaussian blur it enough it'll look like a distant background

[late sonnet]

tbh bgs are more forgiving than characters because all you get wrong is perspective
anatomy it's like even one part of the figure is off, it's all over

[whole plank]

i saw the toilets in cy's tweet too, and people seemed to get it, even if they didn't know the storyline here

[livid mural]

I love anatomy

But it's probably because I've been focusing that my whole life my bgs are just 📉📉📉📉

[left quest]

Don’t call me out like this 😭

[late sonnet]

jaws said half the point of testing is to end up in my hall of fame
you live long enough to be turned into a high quality meme art piece LOL

[sacred spade]

Y'all draw backgrounds?

[ashen tusk]

butterfly event started again

[livid mural]

Nice Yidhra pfp

[late sonnet]

I drew bubba's current pfp/banner and that's got a bg in it

[lilac solstice]

Ooo I wanna go see it. Even if it's not working right

[livid mural]

Crying adult tears its so pretty

[spark lance]

Half the time I don't even put flat color backgrounds, I just leave it transparent

[steep glade]

Are we waiting on doot for flutterby event?

[ashen tusk]

I get compliments all the time for the pfp and banner and I'm always like ISN'T CY SO GOOD!!!

[late sonnet]

#beta-screenshots-videos message
if you wanna see the full painting of bubba's thingy

[livid mural]

Cy do you do speedpaints when you draw bgs

I'd wanna watch one 👀

albeit knowing how I function even speedpaints can't help this disaster of myself

[left quest]

Backgrounds?
A bunch of blobs?

[late sonnet]

no, more because it stresses me out XD
I do better when I can just concentrate on finishing

[livid mural]

Everytime my friends talk abt rendering

Me who doesn't paint over my drawing: 🫠🫠🫠

[plucky jolt]

I can’t get inside the quest shared space for the second quest, bug?

[late sonnet]

#beta-screenshots-videos message this one is literally just blobs tho

[left quest]

Those are gorgeous blobs though.

[vapid river]

Exactly, pretty blobs don’t count

[late sonnet]

but they are still blobs so why ain't you guys drawing backgrounds, huh

[left quest]

(has already disappeared into a glitched wall)

[vapid river]

Cuz I cant draw the foreground either

[ashen tusk]

start with the middle

[late sonnet]

Use leaf shape brush, have falling leaves everywhere, profit

[lilac solstice]

Fen was so blown away by the art, they fell into the backrooms

[plucky jolt]

Help please anyone? I can’t get in the shared space for the 2nd quest

[spark lance]

Cause I can't even get past the sketch 99% of the time

[left quest]

(muffled spam honking)

[vapid river]

(Also what brushes do you use I need to know)

[ashen tusk]

What do you mean you can't get in?

[kindred prawn]

Don’t give me the emote. It feels very passive aggressive to me

[plucky jolt]

Like there’s no option to add your new shared space that needed to complete the 2nd quest, there’s only the floating rock

[proud coral]

I don't want to sound super complainy and annoying but it's still pretty nuts to me how this years items cost more than the last two years combined. The reduction is great but still. It really feels like the cape prices are priced so randomly. 99 candles for a detailed, unique shaped leaf cape.. 110 candles for a pink cape with 1/3rd the amount of detail.

[ashen tusk]

is there a past shared space lantern of yours to edit? If so try that but if not then report as bug

[frosty trout]

@kindred prawn @cobalt jacinth I'm going to ask for the topic to be dropped.

[plucky jolt]

Nope, there’s not even others candle pop up

[frosty trout]

There's a new update out which should be plenty for the channel to discuss anyway 👀

[left quest]

It’s insane as someone who started when Shattering went live.
I can barely get anything even with 20 daily candles.

[spark lance]

oh a new doot???

[ashen tusk]

there was a change in pricing? Mine still says 120 for the cape

WAIT NEW DOOT?

[kindred prawn]

An update just now??

[cobalt jacinth]

What makes it worse is the increased wax amount needed to fill a candle, but it's already live

[lilac solstice]

Oh that's why everyone had a price drop. I was like cuz mine hadn't yet

[frosty trout]

That's what my TestFlight says

[limpid crown]

I'm gonna be honest for the price drop
The Fountain is alright
The Tulip Cape however is still too high, I wish it's just 75 or 80 like other capes that exist

[late sonnet]

waits patiently in android
did the butterfly feeder change btw or is it still 100

[vapid river]

The cape is still 110, don’t get your hopes up folks

[spark lance]

lucky iOS users, I'm android I gotta wait 8264838154836282 years for it to come out /hj

[kindred prawn]

So the tulip cape pricing got reduced by 10 candles?

[livid mural]

WHAT THEY WHAT

[ashen tusk]

Has the cape changed at all again or? Cause like 110 is barely a reduction pls

[fluid cobalt]

please reduce it again, to 70 candols hehehehehehe

[left quest]

1% off 😭

[spark lance]

A price that still doesn't feel worth it

[livid mural]

75 candles max at least I see no reason for it to be above 80

[limpid crown]

Like seriously though, what's with the Price Increase of IGC cosmetics these days

[elder inlet]

highest 80- GET THAT 100 AWAY FROM ME

[cobalt jacinth]

To get 5 candles you need 60 more wax than before
To get 10 candles you need 120 more wax than before
To get 15 candles you need 60 more
Only 20 candle runs are unaffected

[ashen tusk]

I expect the detail to increase if the candle price isn't gonna go below 100

[sacred spade]

Wow how did the cape's prices increase so much? The first bloom cape used to be around 75 candles iirc

[fluid cobalt]

80 candols max

[livid mural]

I-

WHY 😭😭😭😭😭

Bro yall wanted us to NOT grind and thats why the chevron system was implemented in the first place. What is it that you're tryna achieve with this one?/genq

[lilac solstice]

I hope it at least gets less of a broad shoulder look, and there's a color fade like some tulips

[limpid crown]

I still remember the days when the price range of cosmetics are
Cape & Pants: 75-80
Mask and Hairstyles: 40-55

[sacred spade]

Maybe also add some cute little green leaves around the collar

[ashen tusk]

Once again wondering why testflight hates me though like I chose auto updates and this app just like: I pretend I don't see

[errant ember]

i still don’t understand how the days of love arch passed

[livid mural]

ANY cape shouldn't go above 80

(Unless they have valid reasons to be so i.e: crossover items)

[elder inlet]

welp just know id be side eyeing that thing

[fluid cobalt]

is this the doorframe item-

[left quest]

I’m still skipping every Bloom item this year. (wheeze)

[ashen tusk]

What are thoughts on candle prices reflecting the event quality and not just cosmetics?

[proud coral]

Some more things to note: days of bloom wisteria cape has a different winged light pattern. It uses the diamond shape which is a nice change, very cool colouration, you can clearly tell what flower it is supposed to represent for 105, days of mischief Leaf cape has a completely unique winged light pattern for 99 candles, the maple shape has only been used there and iirc it hasn't been shared with another cape. I'm really not sure what justifies this cape price imo, it's a plain cape. There a unique shape but other than that theres no real detail.. you can't tell what type of flower it's supposed to be. :(

[cobalt jacinth]

When I want to launch Sky with auto updates peace of mind and I see the "tap to update message"

[livid mural]

Which is why I love the Wisteria cape

Unfortunately since the colour doesn't really go well with anything (for some ppl) it's not popular :""D

Also because purple >>>>>>>>>

[late sonnet]

I feel that goes into the separate want in which there just needs to be more bright purple fits in sky

[lilac solstice]

I love purple, and I couldn't get it to match

[spark lance]

I STILL think it looks like a salami cape rather than a tulip or rose.. I bet in the future I won't recognize it as a bloom cape since it barely looks like one

[ashen tusk]

SAY IT AGAIN LOUDER, PURPLE PANTS COME HOME !!!!

[left quest]

AURORA re-run with the purple runaway pants

[fluid cobalt]

...purple pants???

[late sonnet]

a friend said it looked like salmon cape cuz of the sinew pattern lol

[indigo gale]

There's a doot?

Yay, new doot, now to wait for it to appear on android

[proud coral]

The pricing for the prop seems fair...ish to me. It's a prop so I feel like there's no need to buy it at all unless you have extra candles. At least it's somewhat interactive and cheaper than the days of love arch 💀 the arch was a crime

[ashen tusk]

Idk how y'all purple lovers feel but I often pair juggler cape and wisteria cape with prince pants because the purple belt makes it look chic but some people don't like the colours together

[cobalt jacinth]

To see it in a different point of view (I love different povs ), the reason behind high candle price could be exclusivity and unique shape. (Note: this is not my opinion, just I like to think)

[livid mural]

I will be getting both sakura and wisteria cape this year but its a real bummer for the tulip cape

Pretty but unreasonable price

[left quest]

The arch was done dirty 😭

[vapid river]

The shape is ugly though (respectfully)

[late sonnet]

tbh for me with this event's IGC so far
feeder > cape cuz
idk the cape just feels underwhelming other than having the cute layered pattern at the bottom, but the top is not much to go by

[ashen tusk]

runaway pants used to be purple in beta, it truly was a time to be alive

[proud coral]

The arch will 100% be skipped 🤝

[livid mural]

The arch is pretty

But that's about it

@cobalt jacinth I can agree to that. for certain items at least its applicable, not all

[spark lance]

Ngl I completely misread your message and thought you said juggler pants rather than juggler cape, and I spent a solid minute trying to figure out how on earth you would pair juggler pants with prince pants

[spark lance]

The problem is that the standard prices for certain cosmetics has shifted so much that we're charged large amounts without any justification. Masks became expensive, capes started costing over 80 candles and props have become a luxury at how much they now cost. I wouldn't be surprised if we close off 2023 with a cape that's around 150 candles but has nothing to justify that price

[livid mural]

We wear double pants

[ashen tusk]

put them on top obviously

[late sonnet]

I'd get props for fun through events because I do genuinely love collecting them
but the 100 candle DoL arch price was kinda
that feels more of a kick in the teeth than the cheaper, 80 candle sunlight tent which is way more fun to mess around with AND protects from rain

[livid mural]

• Note that I said only applicable to certain items

I'm just as disappointed in the inflation as yall are

Wrong message lmao I thought you were replying to my latest message aaa

[spark lance]

Or sew pieces of them together

[cobalt jacinth]

The cape is not my type either but I accept the fact that many players want exclusivity. And several players have 1000+ candles. TGC clearly wants us to play the game. And here's a question to encourage peeps brainstorming towards #wishlist-and-ideas-archived : what (else) can make you play Sky actively? What could make you be more active in the game?

[vapid river]

Idk, it actually being social and not entirely based on FOMO and exclusivity

[livid mural]

I still think that reducing the amount of wax for candles will make people come more actively

Especially those working/studying

At least they don't have to take such a long time to fill three chevrons, and they'll most likely come online more just to fill them because they know they don't need to take so much time to cr

[rare carbon]

We really need content to make players play game rather than using/collecting candles

this is why new players get bored easily and leave

[lilac solstice]

I am a player that has thousands of candles, and I'll have you know, the high prices to make us oldies play more is driving me away more. I want more interesting and fun events. Stuff that'll be more exciting to try, rather than the same candle running grind we always do. It can still reward with candles, but I don't want the main focus to be about candles

[late sonnet]

my two cents on the new cape price is that it's fine when put next to the 105 wisteria cape
but because the purple one is just more detailed (like it has a glowing orb on its base/has a bigger obvious gradient of the light -> dark on petal) the tulip cape needs to step its game up to match up to the higher price point of 110.

[spark lance]

I don't see TGC getting the balance between grinding and creating meaningful connections and being social right. I gave up when they released a prop that's bascially a mini game but put it behind a paywall. You'd have to rework way too many things in order for sky to not feel like a chore whenever you login

[pulsar hare]

TGC clearly wants us to play the game.
Except that even if you grind for 20 candles every day, there's still not enough candles to get everything. They don't want you to play the game, they want you to buy candle packs.

[cobalt jacinth]

Currently based on what I see on #questions-and-help , fomo is a big drive for players to stay online. (Unfortunately)

And unfortunately less wax to fill a candle doesn't make you stay online more. We humans are psychologically evolutionarily programmed towards completion even if something harder than before.

[livid mural]

I also understand exclusivity since a lot of games depend on that type of reward system to get their players to be interested in achieving the goal

And TGC bringing back dupes, unpopular opinion that's actually a plan (that they have executed) that I like.

@late sonnet YEYEA if they still wanna stick with the 110 price make it worth it. And here I thought people put the Wisteria cape the lowest in popularity when it actually has a lot more going on that makes it worth its price

[left quest]

I’ve been here since Shattering and it’s basically become a nuisance trying to look forward to buy anything. Literally Beta is the only reason I know what I’m skipping in Live.

I’ve been getting 15-20 candles daily and it’s never enough.

[late sonnet]

I do think it's an improvement that it was lowered from 120 to 110 so it's less offensive of a mega jump
but improve the tulip cape some more so it feels worthy of the small hike up mhm mhm

[peak mason]

isn't the tulip cape a completely unique shape

[livid mural]

It is but comparing it to other event capes like Wisteria and Maple cape, it doesn't really match up to its price

[proud coral]

In fairness to the tuilip cape, it is a new shape yes.

[iron elbow]

great prompt
I think the most exciting parts of my crs have always been harmony hall challenges and shards, which are both mini games in their own right
same with hermit races, but it's hard to find a second player for them
so i would rather have another cool activity to do than spend 15 obligatory minutes on something as boring as geyser or grandma

[lilac solstice]

New but not necessarily a good looking shape

[left quest]

Salami

[vapid river]

They could very easily change it to focus more on the friendship aspect, or just making the game fun.

Like, what if the realms were bigger and we can go treasure hunting for ancient chests that give candles?
There’s not really an excuse to rely on FOMO, it’s just predatory and it drives away new players knowing they’ll never get items they want.

[desert root]

Hey chat! What’s going on?

[pulsar hare]

Yep, also a shattering moth here
Having to choose between making friends / unlocking chat, and getting items that won't be back for 2+ years sucks
The afk changes to handholding making me unable to reliably bring my friends with me on runs has finally made me quit though, so at least it's not something I need to worry about anymore I suppose

[proud coral]

I don't think the shape itself is bad, I think a major problem lies in the fact that people can't tell it being a rose or a tulip. It just isn't detailed enough

[cobalt jacinth]

I get your point, but maybe this game is not about getting everything. I mean, if being social is more important for a player, then why do they choose grinding to wear clothes alone?
Don't get me wrong, I'd also be happy with better prices as well just I want to look at the bigger picture. And as an example since I buy about 70% (most) of things (and I don't even wear most of them), I have thousands of candles with no more than 1h gameplay a day

[livid mural]

Unpopular opinion I do like the tulip cape shape

Design wise its actually a pretty good final design (coming from someone who does it for final year in college)

It just doesn't fit the 110 price thats all. At most it'll be the same price as Wisteria and Sakura

[spark lance]

I've been here since performance and get 15 candles daily almost consistently, and it's also not enough for me. I also have to rely on beta to figure out how to budget accordingly in live, and that's upsetting because I don't WANT to have to budget so much. I just want more stuff to do so I can actually play this game properly, rather than just waste my evening cring and logging off

[cobalt jacinth]

It sounds great for #wishlist-and-ideas-archived

[lilac solstice]

This! I really enjoy the music sheet challenge they need to add more sheets into the cycle i would love to see more like this

[late sonnet]

tbh if the price point was moved to in between 70 - 105 I would be totally acceptable of it

[livid mural]

The music hall challenge is indeed one of the best things they've added, and the wax progress they give is good too. I want more daily events like that

[left quest]

A lot of socializing that I’ve experienced (and some of my friends experience) only comes from what cosmetics you’re wearing. I dunno if it’s always been like that but it doesn’t really sound too appealing.

[vapid river]

You and I both know tgc won’t add that. Making the grind of the game fun will discourage the buying of candle packs, it’s pretty simple

[cobalt jacinth]

It's interesting! From my experience it came from emotes and kindness

[livid mural]

Genuinely speaking I honestly don't know what kind of audience yall have because the people I've randomly chatted talk abt anything but cosmetics

Unless a moth joins our table asking or if I see a Lightseeker umbrella ult that I will go insane for

[ashen tusk]

The cape is a different shape sure but it doesn't make it worth it when the shape feels weird and unfinished

[lilac solstice]

What about something similar, like practicing skating with the dreams skater. You have to perfect your performance and you'll get candles as a reward. Or maybe you can go out and collect 10 shells for the abyss guide, and they give you candles as a reward. Just little things that would make you visit the seasonal areas too

[cobalt jacinth]

Yes cosmetics can call attention. When I was a moth I was stunned about star patterns on capes

[kindred prawn]

Someone brought up a good idea where if you socialize around a campfire w someone and play music or something then you get wax just for that? Would help solve all the skykid-less lonely campfires

[late sonnet]

I did literally just make a new friend at gramma's a couple hours ago because of their bootiful combination of clothes (assembly pot hat, grouch mask, slouch's cape, stagehand robe) and also we 'd the whole time
so it does matter

[desert root]

They need to fix the candle prices in general and add back more ways to gain candles this is insanity

[livid mural]

My exact opinion about Seed of Hope's cape

I love him sm why TGC do the AP CAPE just,,,, , , , a triangle cut at the hem-

[left quest]

No I’m still stunned by the TLP star symbols BAHAHAHA

[ashen tusk]

how about create routines for the skater, that could be fun too make her crab walk all around the ice and get candles for your troubles

[proud coral]

this would be ideal gameplay to me. Precious little moments. Ways to make you explore past areas a little more and stop during a cr

[kindred prawn]

I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE THAT as someone who used to ice skate irl. And the hunting for clams sounds bomb too

[livid mural]

Abyss gets honked on so bad and so often I'd love that to happen, Abyss my underrated beloved

[wanton yacht]

Sksksk old msg saved accidentally dont mind me

[late sonnet]

_the sole reason I got the prince scarf even though I don't wear it much, because I was so impressed by the clever wedge design _

[left quest]

That sounds like an interesting combination tbh

[lilac solstice]

I didn't even care for abyss, but I'd love for them to implement ways to get us to visit the area. It's such a beautiful and underrated place in the game

[iron elbow]

tbh you can still get a pretty hefty amount of wax by collecting abyss shells, but the route is a bit exhausting

[kindred prawn]

Whaddaya mean by AP cape

[vapid river]

That was me, lol

I’m just disappointed in tgc because they obviously didn’t account for the game lasting this long and the inflation shows that imo

Honestly I think they’re just gonna keep up the predatory business model just so they can get more money

[livid mural]

Seed of Hopes cape was AP, imo Miners cape was far more worth to be an AP, they did Seed dirty

Thats what I meant

[left quest]

NO ONE TOLD ME TO GET SKY DURING TLP AUGAUUAAUAHUA

I love the wedge design on the TLP capes, it’s really clever. I knew about Sky during TLP but didn’t download it for some reason 😭

[kindred prawn]

The TLP scarf cape has a rlly unique design. I wonder why more people don’t wear it. Is it bc it isn’t “big” and as “flashy” as other capes?

The phoenix cape too. That’s gorgeous

[lilac solstice]

I have spells still though, on both beta and live if you ever want to wear one

[livid mural]

I like the route honestly

Ik some people complain a lot about having the same route for cr so having a variety of spawn spots for clams in Abyss keeps the adventurous aspect constantly up

[left quest]

I’ll literally be in your debt forever 😭

[minor panther]

Okay but like why did the tulip cape only go down by 10 candles

[spark lance]

Ngl like 75% of the people I see on beta have the tlp scarf cape

[late sonnet]

one time my friends asked where we could CR together and I suggested treasure reef because genuinely
that place is the best for exploratory finding wax because of the funny places the clams spawn in

[gilded parrot]

Reminder that if you are struggling to find something, please remember to submit it in #beta-feedback after asking here, as that feedback is very valuable for TGC and can help many players in Live! Make sure to check #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues as well

[livid mural]

THAT ONE (1) CLAM THAT SPAWNS RIGHT OUTSIDE THE WIND BARRIER

Screams in bubbles

[lilac solstice]

I shall use a spell next time I see you then

[minor panther]

I feel like they should be raising the prices od stuff so much sinxe theyve been making it harder to gain candles in the first place,

[cobalt jacinth]

I would not say predatory. That's a strong word, and sounds like you don't follow other game companies acts. TGC is ... very soft and kind even if it sounds unreal. But to turn the tables so to speak it is also a very good question: what could makes us open our wallet more to TGC for something what we enjoy too? And how would we keep that wallet open long term while we actually enjoy it so we have a positive motivation not fomo?

[late sonnet]

a tease
just a cheeky clam in the winds

[ashen tusk]

hello can we go there again some time for clam hunting cause honestly that was a lot of fun

[iron elbow]

it was the yellow neck piece for me, straight up doesn't match a lot of looks
plus, the cape itself is too thin for me, it's basically shoestring width
I much prefer other scarf capes we got over the years

[lilac solstice]

I love clam hunting and honestly I wanna go now. Anyone interested?

[wanton storm]

Just a quick Days of Bloom question. I just tried to 'daydream' to become a butterfly, and I see other players and can use the bottom emotes like during Aurora concert, but I can't be a butterfly. Is that supposed to be happening right now?

[green monolith]

i love the tlp scarf cape, i always wear it with the Gloating Narcissist pants mainly, but also with other pants cause i love looking at the details
and also, it was the closest thing i had to no cape before the aurora wings (which i dont have in live because i am broke)
it pairs really well with the assembly necktie too

[vapid river]

Predatory is the correct word. Using FOMO to get money is by definition predatory

[cobalt jacinth]

I love clam hunts! But it's bedtime for me 🛌

[ashen tusk]

beta clam hunt

[late sonnet]

I need to update my beta still

[spark lance]

< has never gone clam hunting

[lilac solstice]

Me too

[livid mural]

I can see the logic behind all your points though. Because knowing the Sky fanbase it won't take long for people to complain how the game is boring and etc. As painful as the truth may be, FOMO is the main drive for plenty of games and Sky is no exception (talking from a business pov)

[left quest]

< also has never gone clam hunting

[spark lance]

I think the new price is okay! (Lets remember rainbow cape xD) But I just think it needs a bit more design put to it... This might just be me, but it feels much more plain then the other capes. Tho if you like the cape design, I'm happy :>

[ashen tusk]

darn, I already updated 😭 live clam hunt?

[late sonnet]

you guys send me friend codes for live in dms we are going right this second
@spark lance @lilac solstice @left quest

[green monolith]

yall dont go clam hunting on a regular cr? its one of the places that i always go to because its some good wax

[minor panther]

The changes being made recently only seem to benifit a small % of the games player base. :( How can we keep up with these incoming pricing if we can barely getbto 20 per day? They took what made it easier on us for the sake of..? What? I just dont get it. :(((

[iron elbow]

🦈 <- not much of an otter

[livid mural]

Yea nothing can beat the ridiculously priced rainbow cape lolol XD

On a serious note I agree, if they wanna keep the price, upgrade the design

[wanton yacht]

Imo id love an Abyss connection to windpaths...maybe adding a dive spot to it next to the Enchant Boat tunnel. Would definietly add as part of a candle route instead of double gma

Pfft ye running to feedback

[indigo gale]

Still no doot on android for me yet

[fluid cobalt]

....I think I need brightness option bcs everytime I wear sakura cape my eyes go blind

[crisp thorn]

They want players to buy candle packs.

[spark lance]

Mhm! I just think it needs that little push, then I could reallly like it!! ^^

[spark lance]

qr code with my skid faceplanting into the ground in the bg after arriving in gw coming your way

[cosmic mist]

Absolutely. its like what nastymold said, you can’t even tell what kind of flower its supposed to represent 😭 while I still think 110 is pretty outrageous, it would be worth it if the cape wasn’t so meh

[narrow ravine]

how much did rainbow cape cost again? i got it the first time it came so i have no idea

175? sheesh

[livid mural]

EXACTLY THAT

WHY IS ABYSS SO SEPARATED BUT ARK GETS ONE PATH

[lilac solstice]

Can I send you a code too since I don't have you added yet

[iron elbow]

tbf ark requires like triple the effort to get to with the normal route

[minor panther]

It really feels that way, and at that its like if you dont have money or time you cant have fun.. or enjoy yourself..

[green monolith]

its not exactly hard to get to tho, just go to the dock on the right side of wasteland’s social space

[wanton yacht]

Prbbly just release Abyss was after Flight right?

Also yeah ik theres boat but i hate to load times id rather glide

[proud coral]

I feel like the newer areas have been super easy to get to :o no need for a wind paths connection

[fluid cobalt]

this year probably will be increased 180 camdols xD

[cosmic mist]

I’m so glad thats where they put the entrance honestly, its so much better then running a marathon to get to the ark

[spark lance]

I will be honest, candle running can be a pain... The only reason I have 215 candles right now is because CRing in a VC with friends is wayyyyy better lol

[narrow ravine]

i gave tgc too much credit and thought they’d at least drop it too 100 for some reason

[livid mural]

Yea but a lot more people go to Ark because

• Spells
• Dailies

Literally nobody goes to Abyss just for the fun of it (unless you're that rare 1% like me) unless it's just a new place to grey yourself out

Dailies is THE BIGGEST DRIVE for people to go to Ark

[iron elbow]

so what I'm hearing is
abyss dailies

[minor panther]

Ive been using two devices to candle run, (two accounts my bfs and mine) cause its easiest that way and even then I can barely get to 20 per day im around 150 now.

[livid mural]

Abyss dailies be like:

• Get the krill out of its cage lolol

[narrow ravine]

i havent done a full cr in a bit, just gets tiring and i have no friends to do it with/uber me

[spark lance]

Quick question: Approximately when does bloom come to the live version?

[untold zephyr]

fr, i think I’m only gonna be getting the cherry blossom cape

[green monolith]

hate how underrated abyss and its area is, its such a good area with so many details ||and a wax dragon||

[keen sage]

i don't want the tulip cape anyway so not that big of a deal for me. but there's lots of people, including the other half of my friend group, that just joined the game and don't really know/care about what saving is because they're still moths

[iron elbow]

me, who's purposely stuck on quest 2 on my main live account just so I can have the big boi in it's aquarium:

[narrow ravine]

still the best flower cape imo

[proud coral]

I want to want the tulip cape that's all I require from it. To become something of interest. It's a definite skip for me in it's current state

[livid mural]

Abyss quest:

• The dummy Cannoneer drowned themself again lmao go get their butt back up here

[keen sage]

i wanna get cherry blossom cape for one character and the wysteria cape for a different one,, and i'm still gonna be under the price for the new cape

[narrow ravine]

forgive me i still have so many seasons to catch up on..(flight, abyss..)

[wanton yacht]

Oop rip the uber fast recharge on manta lantern according to notes

[minor panther]

It looks cool, but cause the price I just cant fathom buying at the current pricing Im a poor lil guy!

[livid mural]

LITERALLY had this one vet coming to my table as I was talking abt Abyss

Saying that Abyss was overrated

How is Abyss overrated if nobody talks about it

Dreams is overrated for me soz Dream fans-

[cosmic mist]

I always liked how the music was kinda muffled underwater, it makes the Abyss area even more calming. It’s just very pretty in general

[sacred spade]

I just got an update notification. It scared the heck out of me

Sagomay stop jumpscaring me 😭

[livid mural]

Plus Abyss seasonal area is just much more interesting for me

Ok Dreams is nice! Very villagey

Tho do you have the threat of possible death just by swimming by a door with a krill patrolling it?

[spice mason]

2 AM for my timezone 💀 i mean,, i'm awake now but that's bc i'm doing uni work

[narrow ravine]

man the 10 candle decrease is nice but i personally can’t justify spending that many candles on a cape i can barely tell is supposed to be a tulip

[iron elbow]

stares in 5 am

[craggy elbow]

why is the ultimate recharge nerfed again? for what purpose? how is that unfair advantage

[frosty trout]

I know that 6pm Pacific is a really Not Great time in other time zones. It is 100% okay to put your sleep/studies/work/family/friends first!

[livid mural]

My heart keeps dropping seeing the time and date when for me its actually tomorrow agsfshhdjdjdjd

Timezones go brrrrr

Its 2nd Feb 10:57 am rn

[frosty trout]

We try to find the best slot we can between our work hours in PST, the work hours of coworkers who happen to not be in PST, and what we hope works for as many testers as possible.

[glacial barn]

*thankful it's not a weekend test

[spice mason]

I know. :') man. would have liked to have joined in. but i get it.

[spark lance]

"While the powers of light do ultimately overcome the powers of darkness, we don’t believe that also means they can overcome the powers of the laws of physics or the not-powers of having no hands. Therefore, while in butterfly form, avatars can no longer carry Dark Crabs"

Aww😔

[spark walrus]

unfair advantage?

looks at bonfire

[frosty trout]

The ultimate gift prop this season is only available by purchase, whether your own, or your friend's purchase that they gift to you (a gift pass)

[sacred spade]

Wait you could actually carry crabs in butterfly form? akjsj

[frosty trout]

Right, the bonfire recharges, as do some IGC props with fire. But those recharge a lot more slowly than the WIP version of the Remembrance prop did

[fluid cobalt]

FFFFLYING CRABS?????

[livid mural]

Tbh I don't think comparing different ults is fair since they're well, different

Ofc its gonna have different characteristics (in this case recharge)

Thats my take at least

[frosty trout]

Yes and it was as glorious as the bug that allowed people to place a zillion picnic props

[craggy elbow]

they are both ultimate gifts
even if the campfire has a spell, i don't feel it makes sense

[gray moat]

the picnic prop bug had me cackling

[frosty trout]

I delighted in sharing screenshots with my coworkers

[fluid cobalt]

I wanna see flying crabssssss

[livid mural]

One tough butterfly to carry an entire crab

[iron elbow]

I'm sorry, but in retrospect, bonfire is far from fair alright
it's an instant recharge button

[keen sage]

wasn't the ultimate gift like, a couple seconds for completely full charge before? that's why it would be unfair advantage, because if you pay for something that charges you entirely in seconds that's not fair to the people who don't have it

[indigo gale]

Was it a bug or was it a surprise ✨ feature ✨

[spark lance]

Honestly I really wish they kept the manta prop recharge the same, it made it feel more like a worthy ult, like... worthy in a way of something we haven't had in a long time, so getting rid of the boosted recharge kinda makes it feel not as special. Sure you get lighting and stars and mantas, but what's the point of the recharge if the last recharge ult prop we had was quite strong? Anyways I'm done with my rant, but i really want the old recharge again.

[frosty trout]

They heard us talking about buff moths and wanted to be buff butterflies

[livid mural]

SPEAKING OF RECHARGE

Sagomay is there any possibility for the tea brewer to have constant fire? So it can be a burner as well

[spark lance]

I was wondering why the nerf to the ult gift... But that makes a lot of sense!! Thank you Sagomay :3

[lament seal]

No update for me yet, time to lift the crabs

[green monolith]

dang, cant brute force my way through eden with the help of the cosmic mantas? sad but understandable

[frosty trout]

Sure! I know the change will disappoint some people, and that not all folks will welcome/agree with it, but I did want to share some of the reasoning behind it

[spark walrus]

yeah I'm worried about my tea getting cold in the valleys 🥶

[indigo gale]

Why is playstore showing me a 1gb update

[frosty trout]

Not sure on what's been discussed about changing the tea brewer's prop, but I can pass that feedback along!

[fluid cobalt]

storage now :

[green monolith]

its all the butterflies eating the storage, so they had to add more so they wouldn’t eat it all

[maiden pond]

What did Sagomay mean by recharge speed of manta projector being aligned with other IGC recharge items to prevent giving an unfair advantage?

[meager monolith]

wait what got decreased in price?

[spark lance]

The TGC devs are some of the nicest devs I've ever meant, y'all great and understanding :3

[spark lance]

The Tulip cape. It's now 110 🕯️

[craggy elbow]

like... every recharge prop you gotta buy somehow, its not free
recharge spells aren't free
they still require you to acquire candles i still don't think nerfing it specially if its a ultimate reward makes sense

[iron elbow]

better than it being p2w

[lament seal]

I don't think an item you paid actual money for speed charging is unfair

[agile hazel]

Considering it was almost twice as fast as bonfire, it makes sense tbh

[craggy elbow]

it wasn't, bonfire was still faster

[maiden pond]

Oh so the ultimate gift's recharge speed got nerfed? Lame, but eh. Is it still quick though?

[livid mural]

For a recharge its still fast for me

Just not literal seconds fast

[agile hazel]

It was faster if you got picked up by the manta

[keen sage]

it's an ultimate gift, something you can only get by paying money during the season and if you pay for something that recharges you from literally nothing in like 2 seconds then it's way more advantage over people who don't have it

[maiden pond]

Hmm, interesting. So when not being picked up by the mantas is it still a little bit on the fast side or is it medium speed?

[late mountain]

Anyone want to upload a video in #beta-screenshots-videos of the new charge speeds for the prop when on and off the mantas? I would myself but I don't quite have it yet

[spark lance]

Maybe... But it's still reasonable to a F2P player, the devs are being very nice to them right now (Eg lowering prices and making paid items recharge just as quick as non-paid items) Does it make me a little sad as someone who has just past the $500USD mark spent on Sky? Yeah, but it's understandable still, I wouldn't be too mad about it!

[iron elbow]

yall do realize it's the pretty lighting prop first and foremost right

[spark lance]

I have a question. Does the manta projector recharge everyone or just the owner of the projector?

[knotty aurora]

Pleasepleaseplease

[spark walrus]

i thought it was a rose. that's the official name for it?

[hard lava]

i wonder if they thought about fast recharge being unfair when they made the bonfire ult too

[livid mural]

People seemed to forget apparently

The recharge trait wasn't implemented until the people here asked for it

So all in all its a pretty light prop first, recharge second

[maiden pond]

I don't really care about the lighting that much, I just want a faster recharge prop because the Assembly brazier takes a long time to charge 11 wings.

[stray elk]

tulip price is now: 110 candles
butterfly food is: 80 candles
sakura: 70
the purple cape: 105

[keen sage]

it makes sense that little cosmic mantas would recharge you but it should only be as fast as the other, non-prop cosmic mantas imo

[livid mural]

Me who does Eden with Assembly burner

[spark lance]

I still love it! Talking to friends is 70% of my Sky playtime, so being able to talk with style? Yas please UvU

[agile hazel]

I read your name as Freya for a second and got confused

[lament seal]

It's a LOT slower now, which is sucks. Didn't have to slow it down to a crawl, lmao.

[livid mural]

To be fair my Malay friends say my name as Feya (Fey-ya) 😂😂😂

[flint oak]

thank goodness the sakura is only 70 candles i can get it

[spark lance]

Do you mind sending a video in #beta-screenshots-videos?

[twin isle]

Wait how nerfed is the recharge bc why on Earth do we get a slow recharge ult but the belonging fire peeps get a fast one? Bc if it's not equal to the belonging fire ult in gonna be sad

[spark lance]

Same with fast recharge spell works really well tho~

[agile hazel]

The memory lanterns are really annoying to turn off cause they keep running away from you

[sick pilot]

the cape is only 10 candle less? 😭😭😭

[proud coral]

This would be a Pay2Win item and it would be pretty unfair to the F2P players

Whoop this message is kinda old my bad 💀 first thing that popped up when I opened the chat

[livid mural]

I think it's as fast as bonfire, if not just a tiny bit slower

It used to be much faster than bonfire

[maiden pond]

I have 100 of those spells so yeah that'll work out well.

[grizzled yoke]

best burner period :3

[lofty rose]

I feel like the bloom capes should all be the same price, why's it gotta get higher every year. eventually it'll become impossible to get

[spark lance]

It's also only 5 candles above purple cape... Remember rainbow cape?-

[livid mural]

"Nurse he got out again"

[stray elk]

update:
sparkling light no longer give wax unless if it's geyser time (i think, im not a butterfly)
sparkling light also looks a lot more plain/uglier imo nevermind it just didnt load for me ignore this!!!

[spark lance]

what do they mean they're nerfing the remembrance ult??!

[sacred spade]

If someone would be willing to do a video comparison between the old and new recharging of the manta projector I'd like to see if it changed much

[twin isle]

Belonging people get a fast ult tho 😭

[iron elbow]

bonfire was so good cause belonging was an unbalanced mess when it comes to f2p players
if you take a look at the actual spirit trees from the time, you realise non-pass players got basically nothing

[desert root]

They… only..
…. Dropped the new cape by… 1 0 ?

…. Im

[keen sage]

omg i didn't even realize you were nastymold because of the pfp
knew you were in the chat somewhere but didn't bother reading names i guess

[proud coral]

And yeah I do think that’s unfair. It should be the same speed as belonging and no faster. I haven’t tested it at all yet tho

[stray elk]

basically the same as assembly torch
moving to different mantas no longer gives quicker recharge i think

[craggy elbow]

10 for the cape 20 for the prop
basically 2 days less of CR if you only do the chevrons, so almost nothing

[sick pilot]

i hate how expensive that cape was especially it’s just a regular cape reskin (but i still bought it in live cuz it’s ✨gay✨ 😭)

[spark lance]

That's still better, please just remember rainbow cape, and know you're getting it for 65 less than that... Do I think it should be lowered even more? Ehh not really tbh, I just think the design needs an update

[proud coral]

Sob I actually love the design of the rainbow cape it’s so cute and colourful but the price is ATROCIOUS
(I like the default capes too much)

[maiden pond]

I just want a fast charging prop that's on par with the Belonging Ult.

[worthy barn]

What’s the new candle price reduction?
I already have the stuff, I can’t really check

[spark lance]

I’d trade this tulip cape for another bloom themed hairstyle

[kindred prawn]

YAYYYYY THE REFLECTION IS BACK

[livid mural]

Kinda ok-ish design wise but can agree with the price because watdehek

Moff me was like "Hell nah"

[craggy elbow]

i trade anything bloom related instead of this tulip cape

[agile hazel]

#beta-screenshots-videos

[spark lance]

I can understand that... But still, the F2Ps probably a bit happier now xD
I just think all ult recharging should be on the same level

[solar shard]

i also bought it :'D
i wish rainbow cape was like a fluffy cape so the floof at the bottom would be like the clouds
or i wish it would at least give us rainbow trail when we wear it 😭

[sick pilot]

being gay is really that expensive i think

[spark walrus]

inb4 belonging ult gets a long overdue nerf jkjk do not listen to me

[random galleon]

I agree, if we're going to talk about fairness, if one ult is going to recharge at a certain speed, it makes sense if the ults that follow recharge at the same pace too

[stray elk]

@random gull

#beta-screenshots-videos message
remembrance ult + bonfire comparison
I think it's the same as assembly torch imo

[lament seal]

I'd love a new hair. First bloom has the best items so far.

[spark lance]

120 —> 110. That cape should be down to 90

[worthy barn]

So they just took it down by. Less than a day of candle running
Well
At least they took it down?

[kindred prawn]

Wait… so the lantern ult isn’t like that?? Not that fast?

[livid mural]

I'm just surprised they didn't do pair igc items now like they did with sakura?

I'd want a Wisteria hair or hat

They just did it for sakura and felt that was suffice

[misty bone]

along bonfire is the most fast, but now since this manta one got nerfed.. i wonder if it is going to be slower.... but one is charging by manta another by fire source... would it be fair to compare it that way? will the normal charging speed on a manta changed if not on the ulti manta?

[spark lance]

It’s a start at least, but it’s not enough :/

I still vote they scrap it and make a new hair. The first bloom hair is one of the best they’ve made

[maiden pond]

It was faster before, now it's more slow than the Belonging Ult. It's not fair. Both items are paid anyways so why not make them similar speeds?

[proud coral]

Ooooh seeing the ult charge speed now in #beta-screenshots-videos seems much slower. I definitely think it should be the same speed as the belonging table but I also don’t think that paid items should have a benefit over igc items. Turns the game a little bit p2w which is not the point of sky whatsoever

[pulsar hare]

If anything, manta should be faster by nature of not being stationary

[knotty aurora]

Its like half the speed of Campfire😭

[daring sun]

I was so out of the loop about the speed of the bonfire recharge until reading all these mssgs about it

[meager monolith]

petition to make the assembly burners as fast as the bonfire XD

[lament seal]

I thought they were making a wisteria one last year... I was very disappointed that there wasn't

[craggy elbow]

like i understand, the ability to recharge was added because people asked for it
its just some pretty lights 🥺 we get it, its still a paid item, that cannot function like a chat table

[trim spade]

I still would like memory candles/lanterns to be groups of mushrooms

[random galleon]

We could have the ults charge fast, and have a f2p alternative that charges at the same speed too possibly

[sacred spade]

How about some cute flower earrings? 🌸 ( ・∇・)

[random gull]

idk if thats meant as a compliment to the torch prop. its slower than bonfire which is unfair. and it is like 1/5th its previous speed. if were nuking everythig now a days why dont we nuke bonfire too and make it slower? or idk make the free props faster instead of punishing everyone?

[worthy barn]

Maybe a good compromise is to have an IGC version? Like with abyss season having a water breathing mask that’s just candles

[spark lance]

I still vote it be as fast as bonfire 👏🏽

[agile hazel]

Would be nice if it was a bit faster but it's mostly fine as it is. The lantern is meant to be some pretty lights, the recharge was added as a bonus after we asked for it

[knotty shale]

[Pushes the tulip cape aside to show everyone the beautiful, amazing and cheap cherry blossom cape.]

[keen sage]

the manta charge speed should be the same as every other manta charge in the game

[livid mural]

I'm sorry this made me giggle

Since memory candles are basically holograms and are images in thin air

And so are hallucinations

[lament seal]

Same because I rarely see them, let alone used to charge

[daring sun]

Uhhhhh, yes PLS!! Mushrooms and flowers maybe

[trim spade]

Yes lmaoooo

[kindred prawn]

Damn..l it’s significantly slower. Idk why tgc would make this change

[spark lance]

O after some thinking I just came up for a way for them to justify the old recharge for the ult prop, they could do spells kinda like the bonfire, they could cost a bit more due to the recharge of the prop being pretty decent, and they could just be a one time place version of the remembrance ult prop

[hard lava]

i just want a prop that can recharge me and i dont have to feel bad because i missed ones that came and i can never get again. i'm still waiting for the torch ts too

[proud coral]

I think that certain props should charge based on how much “fire” they have. Obviously the little candle on the days of mischief table shouldn’t charge you fast at all, but I definitely don’t think paid items should have an overwhelming benefit over IGC ones

[livid mural]

YEA

They could've done it for Wisteria tbvh. Wisteria flower earrings since the flower itself is already like in a vine form

[solemn osprey]

I can't be a butterfly.

[maiden pond]

There's not really any other options, free to play people still get the TS fire props, or Assembly brazier props to choose from, and since Belonging Ult was sought after for its recovery speeds, it should be said the same about Remembrance Ult, people paid to get something that won't return, right?

[spark walrus]

I think I'd be satisfied if the recharge speeds were the same. luckily there are spells so most people can test it. edit: the manta speeds specifically. it'd make sense if the actual lamp is slower because it's pretty dim

[misty bone]

Technically there are two ways to charge on this current ulti. 1 is via the lanturn (stand side by it, very slow) 2 is by climbing on the manta... I dun think manta speed on ulti should be much slower than on a real manta

[shy knoll]

i think it should just charge roughly around how much manta’s usually charge, would make sense!

[spark lance]

they’re awfully stingey with recharge power

[oak kite]

Lowering the tulip cape by 10 measly candles.

Yeah sorry TGC you're banking on people suffering from FOMO and buying candle packs. It's slimy and disgusting.

[craggy elbow]

mind you that the other recharge props are locked in TS and the only free one which is in the assembly tree costs 10 HEARTS and not candles and is VERY slow

[spark lance]

It’s a start, let’s give the pitchforks a break and continue to leave feedback on it

[lament seal]

You don't have to buy candles at all, lol. I don't understand why people are pushing this so hard.

[opaque halo]

how do yall get into developer mode-

[worthy barn]

I remember when testing for lightseekers, the non-ult umbrella used to be part of a regular constantly available spirit
They gave it to a seasonal spirit though
I think we should start doing things like that, adding functional props to constant-staying spirits

[gilded parrot]

@worthy barn, Beta testers do not receive information in advance and no one knows when something will happen. Please check out #news for Live announcements and #beta-announcements for what's currently being tested in Beta.

[spark lance]

maybe if they didn't made recharging props so hard to get and limited, then this situation wouldn't even happen.

[daring sun]

What about the recharge time with fireprophet fire blazer vs bonfire? is bonfire still way faster?

[stray elk]

if anyone has any suggestions on what i should test lmk!
prop update: #beta-screenshots-videos message
price update: #beta-screenshots-videos message
ult update (thanks to Kai): #beta-screenshots-videos message

[spark lance]

hey, atleast the prop isn't 100+ candles looks at dol prop and snowman prop

[misty bone]

bonfire still the fastest, unless you wanna take torch in assembly to compare... that two similar if you are tall

[snow steppe]

At this point i m not surprised if the next year bloom igc item costs 150 ish candles 🤡

The problem is, just like irl, price inflation but the income stays the same

[spark lance]

I figure a light creature should have at the very least as much recharge power as fire

[worthy barn]

????? How on earth did I trigger the skybot smhhh

[spark lance]

juggler's and fire prophet's props are still way too slow compared to the belonging ult. and the remembrance ult is even slower and more inconsistent

[oak kite]

Because TGC is making it actively HARDER for people to even GET candles. They got rid of AFK spots (granted I wasn't an AFK-er) they're INCREASING the price of cosmetics, they've increased how much time you need to candle run making you work MORE for LESS...

This isn't justifiable. This is banking on FOMO and being predatory.

[random galleon]

Yeah, it's a balancing act, as always
On one hand, it's good to get what you pay for, but we're also trying to steer clear of paid items having a far bigger advantage, which is why I made this suggestion
I agree that if we're going to talk about fairness of ults having an advantage we need to consider the bonfire though

[spark walrus]

capes should cap at 70 candles, imo 🥹

[spark lance]

It’s not too slow at least. I think it’s as fast as the assembly torch which is pretty serviceable

[craggy elbow]

assembly torch is tecnically a free item because it returns as a ts
the ultimate prop isn't

[livid mural]

Yea for me it's still justifiable as a recharge prop. It's not obnoxiously slow

[whole plank]

I don't know what time it is either, but it's a timed event. i be a butterfly an hour ago.

[worthy barn]

I think the IGC cape’s price is way too much still
This game isn’t supposed to be this stressful and we should still be given some kind of better candle running system

[maiden pond]

I just want something remotely close to the speed of the bonfire ult. This new ult for Remembrance is not really close enough in my opinion, granted it'll be better than my only recharge prop, the brazier.

[shy knoll]

i was actually so excited for how fast the remembrance ULT would charge, because solo runs are insanely difficult on big maps that have little areas to charge, for example GW. it would be incredibly helpful, since it was fast and really pretty! it’s not that slow now but still would take a min to get full wings

[lament seal]

It's faster than I initially noticed. Not terrible, but a lot slower.

[spark lance]

I wonder if it’s good at charging up a group of kids as opposed to one, maybe someone can test?

[snow steppe]

Exactly, we r basically doing candle labor here :')

[meager monolith]

ayo? ||child labor /j||

[bright cypress]

How many candles does the tulip cape cost now?

[tall crypt]

110

[spark lance]

is it just me or is the tulip cape still ugly

[worthy barn]

I think it’d make sense to at least have this ult prop match the belonging prop

[livid mural]

As a solo runner as well tbh I think the current speed is also nice (granted my only prop atm is assembly burner?)

We still get recharge candles from randoms still

[agile hazel]

Pre-update lantern: ~0.6 sec per wedge
Bonfire & torch: 1.6 sec per wedge
Post-update lantern: ~3 sec per wedge
Brazier & pot: 3 sec per wedge

[stray elk]

they got rid of the sparkly light in forgotten ark (bloom) giving wax if you're not a butterfly
edit: I'm bad I didn't know you can turn into a butterfly outside of gesyer time

[keen nimbus]

its really sad, as a company who made skys whole stich about socializing.. theyre reallyyy making it harder for us to help people, especially that AFK thing

[spark lance]

Torch is equal in speed to bonfire?..! That can’t be right

[misty bone]

current ulti should be at least 1.6 sec as well.... >_>

[oak kite]

Nope, it's pretty plain and not attractive. Wisteria cape and Sakura cape are GORGEOUS.

Tulip cape is so boring and blah and not worth the astronomical amount of candles TGC wants

[remote flame]

guys i just thought of a way they could make the memory lamps work without being too visually intrusive, what if where they are the ground has a small light glow that's blue for shared spaces and pink for memories. and when you tap that area the lamp comes out of the ground like it was buried there before it came back up.

[daring sun]

Lol, same, the little brazier from assembly has been my only one so far too, that or I use my bestest friends

Sorry for ping

[bright cypress]

bruhhhhhhh

[knotty aurora]

Assembly torch and the campfire almost have the same speed, whereas the ultimate projector charges with half the speed

[livid mural]

It'll look disguised as like random flowers 👀👀👀

[craggy elbow]

i still gotta add, that for you to add a friend you gotta also spend candles on them
unless you fancy going from free seat to free seat without hand holding

[spark lance]

agreed. sakura cape is so pretty i lost my mind when i saw it as a moth. this one is really just .. ugly pieces of salami slapped onto a skykid

[solid dune]

10 candle discount... Yes a hugggee price drop. We're saved 🗿

[maiden pond]

Be careful, using your alt as a means of unfair advantages is against TOS.

[proper inlet]

Uhhh, guys i think there's open beta slots right now

[tall crypt]

I know, it’s not much of a difference. It’s like when the store makes a huge deal over an item being on sale and it’s $0.10 off.

[shy knoll]

tbh esp in beta getting recharge from randoms is so unlikely 🙏
although it’s nice rn, i really like how it floated you and did recharge close to what an actual manta did, it made sense for the ULT

[bright cypress]

NO BECAUSE SAME, I'VE BEEN IN LOVE WITH THAT CAPE SINCE I SAW IT AS A MOTH

[meager monolith]

wait is the developer mode still in beta or....

[spark lance]

tgc rlly pulled a ''yall said to lower the prices! not how much we should lower it''

I need a torch vs lantern ult comparison

[worthy barn]

I still wear it on lots of my outfits!

[maiden pond]

No, I just checked. None available on Android.

[remote flame]

yeah and it keeps the cool lore fitting lamps being a thing too

[kindred prawn]

At least it’s not 1 candle lower

[daring sun]

Ah ty for the warning, I'll change that comment...

[spark lance]

ok so its not that my tastes are weird then right. this tulip cape really isnt cute and not worth 110 candles at all. i wouldnt even buy it for 50 to be honest

[spark walrus]

if you get split, they're just gone forever

[oak kite]

The Wisteria cape has that beautiful, soft gradient to it and a small pattern on it with that little glowing pollen ball at the bottom.

The Tulip cape is just so ugly and plain and doesn't sit well on our sky kids shoulders.

[snow steppe]

Children of the light lol

Srsly tho, the max amount candles we can get per day is 21 ish only. Not to mention ts every 2 weeks.

I think tgc's goal is to encourage skykids buying candles with irl money??

[bright cypress]

Exactly 😭

[tall crypt]

I think it’s the color and the way it droops, it doesn’t feel like it has a stable form? Just kind of flops about

[shy knoll]

yeah, it just doesn’t look close to a tulip, they can have different designs than being flat. also off the shoulders? looks weird and prob won’t get it in live

[proper inlet]

I accidentally logged in with the wrong account in play store, and when i tapped to update the app in game, it took me to the become a tester screen and it had a slot available for me on that account (don't worry, i will be leaving to give chances to more people)

[spark lance]

it doesnt look like a tulip at all ; i dont know what kind of reference photos they were looking at , but this is NOT how a tulip looks

[twin isle]

Guys it says price adjustments for the igc rememberance stuff... How bad are we talking? Did TGC realize they made a chat table super inexpensive?

[bright cypress]

Very understandable tbh, I will save to buy the tulip and sakura cape, but I still think it's so pricey for no reason 😔

[proper inlet]

But if you are not in beta right now, hurry up, there might still be space for one or two more people, who knows?

[kindred prawn]

Usually if there’s beta invites there’s room for a lot of people to join

[tall crypt]

Did they? Has that been added to beta yet?

[spark lance]

maybe they have a different understanding of how a tulip looks? But last time i checked they were kinda pretty though. not this weird curly bit at the end.

[shy knoll]

idkk, it just looks weird. maybe they should’ve gone for another flower instead

[twin isle]

It says in update notes. I don't think I've bought some stuff. Let me see

[bright cypress]

Maybe rose cape is a better name? Idk, it doesn't look like a rose either xD

[proper inlet]

But there's no active beta invites...?

[oak kite]

Also, 20 hearts A PIECE for the stuffed manta plushie and the stuffed crab plushie? For items that we don't interact with? That just... sit there and do nothing? Our sky kids can't cuddle the plushies, can't do anything with them except set them down.

Again, TGC, what are you THINKING? TOO HIGH.

[spark lance]

the sakura was definitely worth the price tag they put on it. but even the wisteria i felt like was a bit overpriced for what it was worth. this tulip is just insane. they need to figure their stuff out because this just aint what a tulip looks like.

[compact mortar]

So weird… I got the new days of love apron outfit in the beta shop, yet it isn’t appearing in my closet 🤔

[gray moat]

let us cuddle them and i would pay 30 ngl

[daring sun]

Correct, not currently, but it will happen again sometime, and it fills very fast when the ping goes out fyi

[thick goblet]

IAP Little prince fox : laugh

[misty bone]

dev said they might add a cuddle function but 20 hearts is still too high in my opinion

[spark lance]

Well I figure it’s a f2p alternative to the 9.99$ fox plushie from little prince

[bright cypress]

THIS. I understand 20 hearts for a hairstyle, but a plushie? Hmmm

[spark lance]

WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT LOL

[kindred prawn]

I would’ve liked them to go after a sunflower or a chrysanthemum

[maiden pond]

If I recall correctly, Sagomay said they wanted to pass on to the team a way for the players to be able to interact with the plushies.

[spark lance]

i felt like a sunflower might have been a nice and easy flower to go for with lots of little pedals . because this tulip thing just aint working out for anybody.

[gray moat]

please tgc i beg for this

[shy knoll]

feel like an allium, even though it might be weird designing, would fit the bloom aesthetic

[daring sun]

Ooooh, pls add sunflower cosmetics in the future TGC

Don't hate on the tuplip cape tho you guys- I am happy they are making one even if it isn't my absolute fav rn

[oak kite]

I can think of a thousand other flowers that could work than that ugly "tulip". Sunflowers, daisies, lotus flowers, apple blossoms, lily of the valley...

[twin isle]

This was an economy broken crab rave but I realize now it wouldn't let me type on a sticker

[spark lance]

Jeez I don’t like the tulip cape either but you guys are being brutal

[spark lance]

it doesnt look like a rose either. because naturally rose pedals and any other flower pedals criss cross per layer ya know ? This one just .. stacks on top of each other? Anybody who's even looked at or drawn a flower in their life would know that that isnt how pedals grow ?

[bright cypress]

LILY OF THE VALLEY, YES. Literally one of the most pretty flowers on the entire world.

[meager monolith]

ngl making sky kids able to cuddle with the plushies is a good feature tho

[keen nimbus]

tulip cape is a little too plain for me. its just??? missing something and it bothers me

[maiden pond]

Fun fact about lillies-of-the-valley: if you somehow eat them accidentally or on purpose, it can kill you.

[kindred prawn]

Someone suggested a sunflower hat

[sacred spade]

Yess!! It would be cute to be able to hold them by default and hug them like a pillow while laying down (　・ω・)

[bright cypress]

I beg. Like a little fairy themed cosmetic

[worthy barn]

I would pay so many candles for a well done lily of the valley cape tbh

[craggy elbow]

i saw so many beautiful fanarts of days of bloom, making me wish we got those items instead of ya know
salami cape that looks like something else from anatomy we shall not name

[twin isle]

Unfortunately for us tgc will probably not change the cape as it probs isn't a priority for them. It makes me sad that the past two bloom capes I didn't really like but tbh in my opinion the wisteria cape was better than this one. The shape of the tulip cape makes it look like you have hunched shoulders. It's just... Not the best

[agile hazel]

Damn, Mojang going to remove them now

[meager monolith]

tgc yall listening? XD

[wispy obsidian]

Maybe a color change? There are a lot of gorgeous varieties of tulip out there and maybe it would give less of a 'rose' impression if it wasn't red

[kindred prawn]

Ooh maybe a flower themed pants/outfit pastels too? Like soft cottage core

[oak kite]

Yellow! Hot pink! Those would be beautiful colors!

[shy knoll]

they could’ve just made the tulip cape more like a tulip, that’s why people are ripping on it. the colors don’t really look right, and the overall wings won’t match with many outfits. it most likely won’t be that popular in live either, as it’s not as good as the other bloom capes

[solid dune]

Still despise them for the fireflies smh. Where's my blinking 2 pixels Mojang??

[gilded parrot]

I've been wondering that as well! Remember that your struggles can help many players in the Live version, and that feedback is extremely useful for TGC! Please submit them in #beta-feedback after getting help here Just be sure to read #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues first

[daring sun]

I like roses too tho

[proper inlet]

I wonder how they will lower the price of stuff while needing to add the old stuff back and not making older players irritated

Even if it bothers some part of the community, i think the game needs a DRASTIC change at it's economy system, and this is coming from a player who does NOT collect cosmetics anymore, because it had gone absolutely over any of the other aspects of the game, making it be more of a weight in my back, than a cool thing to express myself more in game, once i free'd myself from this cosmetics collecting loop, i can enjoy the game really better, but i still feel bad when i miss some cosmetics, that's why i think the economy NEEDS to be changed, even if it will affect one side of the community, it will be better for the future of the game, even if it is controversial, it needs to be done.

[snow steppe]

I m fine with the tulip, the color is pretty but the shape omg. It needs... a bit adjustment?? Pls

[bright cypress]

Yesss! It would be adorable, I would even consider paying real money for that.

[spark lance]

Ikr! Also daffodils might be an option since (likely depending where you are) they show up around the spring time, for some reason I find the tulip kinda boxy and it kinda looks like layers of salami on a skykid? Maybe if they added a small green layer at the shoulders like it’s the bottom of the flower leading up to the “stem”(head) might work but idk ( I mean in terms of design)

[gilded parrot]

Are you sure you looked everywhere? It has to be somewhere! Remember to try searching for things in Beta yourself, and if you're struggling with something and still need help, submit that to TGC in #beta-feedback to help them improve it after getting help here! Check #beta-announcements and #beta-known-issues too!

[kindred prawn]

Like use those dual or tricoloured tulips

[wispy obsidian]

Exactly, those are amazing

[tall crypt]

Tulips are some of my favorite flowers. Idk what happened here

[kindred prawn]

THE FLOWER THEMED OUTFIT COULD MATCH WITH THE BLUE FAIRY WINGS SM. And then with auroras crown. Then you’d look like a true fairy Princess/prince

[worthy barn]

What is thatskybot even walking about

[keen nimbus]

isn't it a rose cape??? i think people are just calling it a tulip because it looks more like that than a rose

[craggy elbow]

i don't wanna say lazy because tgc artists have such incredible ideas (hello old elders and Krill mask)
but it feels lazy no matter how you cut it

[ashen tusk]

just reading the update notes and we gotta be butterflies to get wax from the petals? Like I don't mind being a butterfly but it seems awfully specific

[shy knoll]

don’t look like a rose either 🙏 way off from a rose

[oak kite]

They've actually copied the fanart designs of people on like, Tumblr

[bright cypress]

OMG YEEEEES. I bet people would love something like that too!!

[undone rapids]

it has been confirmed it's a tulip

[snow steppe]

The tulip cape shape is really awkward for me

[kindred prawn]

Maybe all the artists are already busy prepping for the next collab lol?

[spark walrus]

they gotta get better tulip references

[craggy elbow]

please god no

[keen nimbus]

what happened then when they were designing it😭

[ashen tusk]

This was confirmed to be untrue

[daring sun]

Only butterflies can digest wax from petals

[proper inlet]

Kind of just my personal opinion and experience, but if you are too tired of this, i would recommend to take this weight out of your back and try to enjoy the game as itself and as a platform (again it's just a recommendation based on personal experience, it can not apply and work for everyone)

[tardy hawk]

nods to this—i feel had they spent more time on the rose cape, it may be worth a higher price. no shade, but the OG bloom cape looks so much better, and it is thirty candles less. either a the price chocks be lowered, or b it should be updated to be worth the price

[worthy barn]

Oh? Can you share where that was for me— if not here you can DM!

[spark lance]

Oh lord not this again. That whole ordeal was proven to be false

[undone rapids]

I have no idea
it still just doesn't worth the price AND doesn't even look like a tulip

[oak kite]

Wait for serious? It has? I literally had no idea I'm so sorry if you have a source please DM me? :0

[spark lance]

Honestly it kinda seems like the design of the tulip cape would fit better as a poofy dress rather than an actual cape, which would be a neat way to have more dresses, especially flower themed

[pulsar hare]

somehow they claim that the concept of "sky kid x sky creatures of light" is what was stolen, even though all of the designs we got in game don't resemble their fan art

[craggy elbow]

the thing that got people rilled up, is that in their tos is that they could, without asking, use your design
so... it made people very angry
also it was pretty vague as heck

[kindred prawn]

Like those puffy Disney Princess dresses?

[shy knoll]

a tulip dress would be literally perfect, there’s not many dresses

[ashen tusk]

Honestly I can't tell you where it was posted specifically but it was a comment from tgc on a Reddit post, it's been shared here before

Will attempt to go find it hold on

[daring sun]

Eyyy bubba where was it confirmed as untrue? I wanna see I'm happy it's not , I want to see for reference

[bright cypress]

I would pay good money for a princess dress tbh

[lilac solstice]

And with the anniversary tiara? Omg that would be adorable.

[craggy elbow]

also please... lets keep sending feedback about this cape and the now nerfed ult that still didn't need a nerf... ah im tired

[kindred prawn]

Or the aurora tiara

[sacred spade]

Tgc give us a dress made of leaves do I can cosplay as Tinkerbell 🧚‍♀️

[mossy swallow]

ello how we feeling about the new afk stuff?

this ain't discussion if the cooldown like 1 min eh

[oak kite]

As far as I know, we have... the Hide and Seek Pioneer Dress, Aurora Dress, and the Tea Brewer Dress

[agile hazel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyGame/comments/1080vs6/comment/j3rylru/
https://at.tumblr.com/flightseason/about-the-tos/gmf6dd8d0897

[spark lance]

Yesss imagine the shape is like the poofy skirt and poofy princess sleeves, maybe even with white or pale green long princess gloves, it would fit the theme so well!

[solid dune]

Aurora's green pants is the closest you'd get currently

[worthy barn]

Thank you so much

[proper inlet]

That's actually pretty common in the gaming industry, Fortnite for an example has added multiple skins in-game that were originally fan made concepts, and they didn't have to ask for permission, most of them would only find out when it came to the files, or was added in the in game shop

(Not stating my opinion, just adding an information to the topic)

[lilac solstice]

The section in the TOS that people got riled up over was about Fanart, and reposting online. Not about using fan designs in game

[oak kite]

Wait the Ult got nerfed?

[sacred spade]

My current outfit idea would be: default ponytail, aurora ultimate mask, blue fairy wings and the green aurora pants

[ashen tusk]

Bless you, you wonderful person you, I was struggling to find the link shared last here

[snow steppe]

Awesome idea, I didnt even think of that :0. But do u think it is more difficult to render the pants than the cape? Idk lol. I mean they have put such high price for this 'lazy' cape design let alone rendering good pants out of it

I miss the old days when iap n igc items r worth the price tbh

[kindred prawn]

With the aurora blue fairy wings or the gold concert ones 😍

[proper inlet]

And about that, they STILL kindly ask for permission EVERY TIME they are going to use someone's artwork

[livid mural]

I have my opinion on the tulip shape (note: Tulip shape*)

The current tulip cape shape is part of after several if not hundreds of shortlisted designs because they need to make it so people can know its a tulip

For me the current issue now is that people thought it was a rose because of the colour
I'm p positively sure if the colour wasn't a rosy red people would've seen it as a tulip (like white or yellow for example)

Yes you could argue the shape could've been different because there's many tulip species, but its to avoid from people thinking its not a tulip. Like the parrot tulip for example, if we make it into a cape I'm p sure people would still mistake it as a rose (English rose to be specific)

TGC seems to base off this tulip cape shape like how children's books depict tulips; a slightly bloomed tulip

[spark lance]

Thank you, I couldn't find it to share either

[livid mural]

THIS

People literally turn a blind eye over this lmao they actually ask permission from the artist to repost AND even links the artist

[ashen tusk]

Yellow tulip would have been cute

[oak kite]

What I REALLY want is...

Shoes added to the Moth clothes that you get from the base game spirits. I mean, the spirits you get them from are wearing shoes, so why can't our Sky Kids wear shoes? Their poor feet must be cold and DIRTY

[lilac solstice]

Ballerina slippers though

[livid mural]

TGC said free the toes

Also @ashen tusk agreed. If they went with yellow they could add an orange gradient at the top too

[bright cypress]

I'M BEGGING ON MY KNEES

[wet light]

i still hope one day we could have a ballerina stance

[snow steppe]

We have it, right? The skater everlasting twirl

[kindred prawn]

I actually kinda like the vibe of skykids walking barefoot tho. Gives you the sense that they’re connected to nature more

[proper inlet]

EVEN WHEN THE TOS SAY THEY DON'T NEED IT!!!

[livid mural]

Yea TGC respects the fellow creators more than what people want to admit

[oak kite]

All I can imagine my sky kid saying as they're sliding barefoot on hard rocks is, "OUCH MY FEET" and then they hobble over to Grandma's and their feet are all bandaged

[lilac solstice]

And I appreciate that. Artists supporting other artists always makes me feel warm inside

[agile hazel]

#swordpantssupremacy with my boots

[daring sun]

Yess, I picture skids as similar to fairies , little creatures who are connected to the world around them , nature, light, woooo, so being barefoot is fitting,

That said I loooove my witch boots and assembly pants boots

[proper inlet]

Honestly, i think the entirety of the TGC team that works on the actual game development and ideas for the game are all amazing, talentes and kind people, i think the problem is with the people who are on top of them in the hierarchy, whose are not taking this game into the best direction

[kindred prawn]

and then snow in valley their feet freeze… I’ve walked barefoot in snow before (on accident) it ain’t a good feeling

[bright cypress]

To be fair they're not human, when they bonk their heads it makes a jingle sound 😭

[livid mural]

• heart

Also people forget they have skid sparks like how fire starters do when we slide on certain surfaces

[sand garnet]

Oh this again, I thought the Remembrance stuff they supposedly took was too basic to count as any kind of stolen design and could easily be coincidence, and I looked up that person's manta hair sketches and none of them looked much like the manta hair we got in Shattering. After looking at it all quite a bit I thought they were kinda freaking out over nothing, no offense to the artist. ^_^;;

[oak kite]

Give us the option to hug the Remembrance spirits, ESPECIALLY Pleading Child poor baby let me hug that child

[spark lance]

Dang now I’m thinking of skykids calling with little jingle bell noises like how tinker bell does aaaaa (also what if skykids were just very small compared to us?)(wait hold up that would explain the size of krill-)

[lilac solstice]

We're flammable, arson machines

[sacred spade]

My poor sky kid would've been wearing a safety helmet from all the amount of head damage 😅

[livid mural]

This

Also we can only go so far with saying if our idea is original at all because we need to take in the factors of where we get our inspos from

And I'm p sure 90% of it is Pinterest, the ultimate idea board source of images

[iron elbow]

yall have no idea how happy I am that we're getting big heavy boots with our pants lately

[spark lance]

You can hug them all once in the second to last quest

[bright cypress]

AWWW, we need a call that sounds like little jingle bell noises

[kindred prawn]

Wait I thought that was part of the second to last quest where you gather all the spirits? You get to hug him? Or is it just hold his hand

[lilac solstice]

I've been hoping for a twinkly call like the butterflies, but I'd love this too

[left quest]

Gardener pants >>>>>>>>>>>

[livid mural]

I actually anticipate a butterfly call in future seasons

Giggling calls hehe

[oak kite]

I've only had Pleading Child for a day and a half, but if anything ever happened to them I would annihilate everyone in this room and then myself

[lilac solstice]

I sure hope so. I would never use any other call again if I can make little twinkle sounds when I honk

[kindred prawn]

I took him on a ride on the cosmic manta. Fulfilled his dreams of being a manta rider

[livid mural]

Because if any of yall notice granny mimics butterfly calls as well, when we fly and a flock of em carries us

That gives me hope that we'll get a butterfly call anytime soon

[sacred spade]

I've always wished for more soft calls like the flute one from Light Awaits

[kindred prawn]

She mimics the journey honk too. Very cool

[craggy elbow]

I wish the playstation exclusive journey call wasn't stuck in the mask

[oak kite]

The last call we had was from Flight, the baby manta

[daring sun]

Granny is bilingual in all sky voices lore wise

[livid mural]

And the last we got a new stance before Remembrance was Flight too methinks

Granny polyglot real

[kindred prawn]

Sameeeee then I could wear the bird mask from performance w my fit

[lilac solstice]

Hopefully that means a new call will be soon.

[oak kite]

I DO hope that the items like the uh flower vase and the plushies will be available after the season is over because I only have 21 hearts

[livid mural]

I think they will

If not we riot

I see no reason for them not to keep it because its like Assembly

[spark lance]

I also hope that we get a new call soon, but at the same time, I don't know if I'd even use it because I'm too obsessed with manta call

[lilac solstice]

I don't see why they wouldn't be. Since assembly, there's been guides with extra props that stay. I would assume it will be the same Faye beat me

[livid mural]

Bird and Whale call will forever be my default

[spark lance]

Waiting for krill call..

[wet light]

i still can't forgive fish voice tho, majestic deep call from dead fish and when we do it sound like muted clown nose

[craggy elbow]

Krill cosmetics overall
Do the devs honestly think people don't like them

[daring sun]

Okayyy that's it, we need whale call

[oak kite]

Give me a KRILL CALL PLEASE

[sacred spade]

I saw that clown reaction 💀

[livid mural]

I like the little "Uh-Oh" we make with the whale call ngl XD

It was just surprising for me because I thought it would be a little drawn out like the manta calls

[wanton yacht]

Id like a new call with tons of variation like the Journey mask call imo

[spark lance]

Krill call the one call I would sacrifice manta call for

[lilac solstice]

I'm just hoping they're saving them for a super cool krill themed season. Still feel bummed we missed out on that krill mask from abyss concept art though

[craggy elbow]

Also I'm more afraid of those whales SPECIALLY the shattering memory
How are people afraid of shrimp boy that's all sticks with anger issues and not a huge thing with a skeletal face

[livid mural]

WAIT KRILL MASK CONCEPT ART WHERE

@craggy elbow Because whales don't have cctvs that go off even if you remotely breathe at them/lh

[oak kite]

I don't even think they're mad I think they just want to hug us because they were once creatures of Light and we have Light so

[spark lance]

I would give a whale a kiss on the forehead

[wet light]

i would love to have krill stuff but it either because someone worship the krill or it's a scavenger season like Abyss

[craggy elbow]

Abyss season concept art

[livid mural]

I personally think those whales bring in a much bigger significance for Sky, we RARELY see them and even if we do, its in certain cutscenes. Deeply underrated

GW Elders mask is shaped like a whale head/skull too, which is why I think the whales are much more important than what we make them to be

[solid dune]

Ngl first time I saw a whale, it reminded me of the Graboids from Tremor

[spark lance]

I just have no expectation of what that would sound like…. Like high pitch screeching like baby manta call but longer and have a bit of a growly roar like krill do? (Honestly imagining that makes them sound like their in pain all the time tbh

[lilac solstice]

It's in Mandarin but here ya go
https://sky.163.com/news/official/20220413/26689_1012705.html

[craggy elbow]

Also abyss season would be more memorable if the sky wasn't gray, because the underwater area is amazing

[oak kite]

Krill mask my beloved why couldn't we get that in Shattering

[craggy elbow]

All of those cosmetics are so good... Why are they so against diving (pun intended) into dark cosmetics and more adult like concepts

We literally die

[wanton yacht]

Krill Worshiper Groupcult season when /j but also not

[livid mural]

I think I personally like the grey skies

Probably too much blue skies in Prairie for me, so having a gloomy atmosphere thats not raining is nice (Closely related to how I am irl because I dislike bright blue skies but then again thats just me)

Also concept art Cannoneer making me feel things

[late sonnet]

I think it was something like it didn't translate well in 3D so it is what it is

[craggy elbow]

Also we absolutely sleeping on that raven mask

hello???

[wet light]

also messy krill hair ik it doesn't look like krill but at least we will have something like halloween long hair
wonder why shattering doesn't have concept art release though, abyss got the same treatment too

[gray moat]

im still salty because ibwould literally pay for a aeason pass just for the wayfarer

[livid mural]

Yea we need to take note about 3D modelling too

We can freely design however yes but when it comes to the practical aspect of it we suffer

Being a fashion student I feel that statement immensely

[iron elbow]

my sibling in christ, this season is literally about war.

[hybrid sable]

I genuinely WHEEZED when I read that update patch note about butterflies and crabs. Thank you, Sagomay. You’re amazing. (how much IGC is the red cape now )

[wanton yacht]

Oh wow looks like the viking themes were orginally more heavyhanded

[spark lance]

Honestly it would be funny for it to at least be kinda a joke mask to where it’s shaped like a krill head with the blue light eye

[wet light]

if my mascot were still a crow i would have absolutely rave that mask to my grave

[hybrid sable]

remember the MULTIPLE parts of the Aurora concert where we saw spirits actively waging war and falling to the enemy

[kindred prawn]

Did we not have that concept art of a krill mask w horns for shattering? Or krills horns w the hair?

[livid mural]

Exactly

Its season of remembering dead people and people who in dire need of counselling literally

[lilac solstice]

I'm glad I can show more people the concept art ngl my favorite part of any season is seeing all the concept art and thinking about the what ifs. And possibly what could be in the future

[spark lance]

110🕯️

[gray moat]

in the battlefield we specifically get speared and turn into sky kidbabs-

[craggy elbow]

I said cosmetics 👊 🐧
Like those in Abyss

[hybrid sable]

what do “adult” cosmetics look like to you?

[wanton yacht]

Also the concept Abyss QG cape so pretty

[kindred prawn]

We get speared? I don’t remember that

[livid mural]

Seeds quest

Basically arrowed but still we got poked in some form

[gray moat]

halfway through we actually get hit through the side, hence the crawl

[craggy elbow]

Less colors, damaged clothes, making your character look less childish is already a big step

Let's say, little prince capes are very adult like

[wet light]

b l o o d

[lilac solstice]

Idk but I think wounded soldier's pants are pretty dark since they have visible injuries from war

[spark lance]

SKIDKEBAAAAAAB

[kindred prawn]

OHH I forgot that happens in his quest lol

[hybrid sable]

hmmm well we have less colorful outfits for sure! jellyfish from sanctuary, the cat hood and pants from performance, the performance ult cape, and the Entirety of little prince comes to mind :0

[noble hill]

Wait, TGC dropped the price of the new cape
By ten candles?

[kindred prawn]

Ain’t that kinda like this seasons cosmetics

[livid mural]

My man has a permanent broken leg

Got transferred to us skids too

[daring sun]

I feel we don't have enough child like cosmetics imo, for it being called children of the light but I get that, I like the kind of cosmetics your referring to for 'adults' too

[hybrid sable]

when I realized what his stance was I was like WAIT HOLD ON I DO NOT RECALL SIGNING UP FOR THIS

[kindred prawn]

I rlly liked flivht cosmetics

[livid mural]

Funny because my first thought abt his stance was "Is TGC getting meme references now"

Specifically his lie down

[craggy elbow]

Only the veteran cape

The soldier look too small for his own cape compared to other soldiers, pelading child is obvious, tea Brewer is a bit adult but the orange color is just... Too out there

[lilac solstice]

Give us more playgrounds, sandboxes, and plushies (as an adult who is obsessed with plushies)

[gray moat]

looks at my pfp
same

[spark lance]

Flight cosmetics are so 🤌🤌🤌🤌 I'm so sad I wasn't there for that season

[meager monolith]

i'm bummed that i wasn't there for flight :")

[spark lance]

The spirit is literally just like:

Spirit: hey kid, I’m hurting. Ouch.

Skykid:(imitating stance) Ouch.

[livid mural]

I LOVE PLAYGROUNDS

In the Aurora concert I literally just hung out at the swings and seesaws and nothing else

[hybrid sable]

as an elementary school teacher i don’t feel bound to this concept of ‘adult’ tbh, I like to dress in bright colors and I like to put my skykid in them too

[daring sun]

Yess!!! I want innocent child play feels, and I feel we don't have much cosmetics or items that portray that

The assembly pants fit that feeling so well imo , for example

[exotic falcon]

why did they change the recharge speed of the ult aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[gray moat]

i second this message as i hoard stuffies like money-
also more onesies please i beg
im a kid trapped in an adult body, cope

[wet light]

we still have to consider censorship when it come to designing, identity v once has a mercenary skin with tiny speck of blood on it and it was ban immediately