h1-discussion

[whole comet]

not Nintendo/Capcom

so, kinda understandable for these kinda bugs

[chrome wharf]

Oh I thought it was a pun.... That the font is Super Giant

[whole comet]

well, super giant font did make a fun pun XD

[chrome wharf]

Hollow knight doesn't have as many, and they're indie too

[vapid narwhal]

https://i.imgur.com/dqhvEar.png

[whole comet]

eh, but each company is differnt

[vapid narwhal]

the spacing and break on the Japanese version is better

[chrome wharf]

The fact that Coronacht isn't 索心之弓 will always bother me

[whole comet]

i haven't played Hollow Knight yet

[vapid narwhal]

the only weapon to be translated in 3 character word lmao

[whole comet]

but i thought that game prolly has less text than Hades?

[chrome wharf]

Same for Olympian Favor being the only buff that's not 4 characters

Yeah it has a lot less

It's what I call vaguecore

[vapid narwhal]

https://i.imgur.com/FFT0iFx.png

well not a lot you can do for that, basically

but it does stick out like a thumb lol

[chrome wharf]

神之关照? 众神关照？

[vapid narwhal]

I guess both work!

[chrome wharf]

most of the others are pretty well done tho

欲速则达 is my fave

Someone should make a Badly Translated patch someday

[whole comet]

that last green fate one though

copper lip iron tongue lol

i certainly dun see the "fate" part

[chrome wharf]

Yeah but it's an idiom for someone strongly debating

Good localization isn't about translating word for word, but getting the vibe across

[whole comet]

i'm a bit optimalistic to that

[chrome wharf]

So you're debating with the gods to get a different boon set

[whole comet]

would prefer they try to translate things so the original meaning still stands

[chrome wharf]

It's a stylistic choice to have most gameplay-related things be idiomatic and I prefer it this way

[whole comet]

i'm not completely against that, and do see that point of view

just... sometimes story games took that too far

[slim grail]

is this game popular?
because i wanna stream a game on twitch
and they say it is recommended to stream an indie game
to gain more audience

[chrome wharf]

man I wanna fiddle with these translations:
... 英雄，并将此举通报曾受冷落的海神

[whole comet]

lol stream for audience eh?

[chrome wharf]

Idk what popular means, it was really big last year

[whole comet]

but i say twitch audience prolly has moved on

UNLESS you're already popular

[vapid narwhal]

if you already have an audience yeah

[slim grail]

i have 0 viewers for the past 2 weeks. im new 😦

so i go for advice

and people said "stream indie nonpopular games"

i like playing hades

[whole comet]

i believe New World and The Dark Pictures is still new games

[slim grail]

but.. idk if this game is popular

[chrome wharf]

离开冥界，以曾在...手中的姿态重见天日

[whole comet]

who knows, maybe newer releases people would be more interested?

[slim grail]

ok i try. do you have twitch too?

[dusky viper]

Its popular just wouldn't recommend as something to start off with

[slim grail]

ok 😦

[vapid narwhal]

the Chinese localization in general, especially in full sentences, is a bit stiff

[chrome wharf]

FFXIV??? I know MMOs have a decent streaming scene

[vapid narwhal]

you can tell by that they usually stick to the structure of the original

[chrome wharf]

yeah

[slim grail]

ahh ok. i will look into that game

[vapid narwhal]

oh yeah FFXIV is pretty popular and will be more so once Endwalker releases, but that's more #video-games

[slim grail]

i just use just chatting on twitch

and i talk all of my problems. i dont think people like that

[whole comet]

i'm not a streamer, so dun really know much

[chrome wharf]

you prob need a big enough following for that. Like people need to already be invested in you for something else. Can be gaming, can be other stuff like art or social issues.

[dusky viper]

@whole comet how hard was Elysium with that buff Hades heat layout?

[keen obsidian]

yo how about apollo as a music god with music related buffs and if u max out relations with him he gives you something for Orpheus or eurydice or both

[chrome wharf]

Probably wanna move to general disc or video games tho

[whole comet]

it really wasn't that bad with bow

i mean, nothing can really kill me if i wait for them to attack and not moving

[chrome wharf]

The day I realized Apollo was a music making brat was the day I was sad he isn't in the game

[keen obsidian]

heh

[whole comet]

and got deflect, so those witches and shield guys r easy

[dusky viper]

Oh wow just realized how long it took you😳

[keen obsidian]

deflect dash with witches is a blast

[whole comet]

at least, clearing to Hades is not hard, but Hades with all that is pretty rough imo

even with 10 chill, he still moves fast...

[dusky viper]

Yeah i lack patience so I would've probably just quit lol

[whole comet]

i say, tbh

[dusky viper]

Yeah that would he his regular speed right?

[whole comet]

one of the hardest parts is prolly 1st boss

[keen obsidian]

they should put the god of cheese making in the game

[whole comet]

without lots of other boons

[dusky viper]

Its been a while but max chill cancels out FO2 iirc

[whole comet]

alecto or Tis is quite a lot harder

[keen obsidian]

imo alecto hardest

[dusky viper]

Yup those blades can be a pain the ass

[whole comet]

in phase 2 50% below and phase 3 he still moves fast

[keen obsidian]

ikr

right what do you need to do with heat to get stage 3 hades?

[whole comet]

still new to the heat?

[keen obsidian]

ye

[chrome wharf]

I still think "passive" Charon items shouldn't be translated into 被动. Like that's only applied to people or entities as far as I've seen it used

[whole comet]

as you progress, u'll have chance to unlock it

[keen obsidian]

alr then

[whole comet]

i could tell u if u wanna just know the answer

[keen obsidian]

so

bruh

[tropic arrow]

Uh

What do you think it should be translated into then

[keen obsidian]

no ty

[chrome wharf]

持久, basically something meaning lasting

[dusky viper]

I tried something similar but with Achilles and Meme beam to see how dumb it made runs

[keen obsidian]

i vote we either add apollo as a fire god or music god

[tropic arrow]

I mean

[dusky viper]

Worked pretty well iirc lemme see if i can find it

[tropic arrow]

The word “passive” isnt very accurate in the first place

[keen obsidian]

if we go music god then we can add helios and if we go fire we can just add the 9 muses

[tropic arrow]

It’s not a mistake that happens during the localization

[full nexus]

持久 consequences

[dusky viper]

You know they're done w the game right?

[keen obsidian]

ye

but i wanna see mods and stuff

for it

[chrome wharf]

True, so it'd be nice if it didn't propagate

[dusky viper]

Ohhh i see

[keen obsidian]

would be hard to top the artwork tho

[chrome wharf]

Idk if you're joking, but that heat is called 持久伤害

[full nexus]

Oh poggies

[chrome wharf]

It's more "lasting harm" but the point gets across

[dusky viper]

Hades: Back 2 Olympus when???

Jk

SG deserves a long break so cant wait to seee what they churn out

[keen obsidian]

hades but its just the roman gods

lol

[chrome wharf]

Cali Program is the hilarious one, it's "broadcasted exercises" which is a mainland China thing where you gather on a square, and the sound system blasts out beats you do light workouts to

[rapid forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/817270982191874081/898451827769610250/Screenshot_778.png

I'm so sorry, Than

[tropic arrow]

I’m unhappy that there’s no achievement for this

[full nexus]

There's a run title

Good enough

[rapid forum]

yea I got it

lol

[keen obsidian]

petition to make it so u can give an ambrosia to bouldy

[rapid forum]

This is what happened when I got too many caffeine

[tropic arrow]

Bouldy isn’t alive

It’s just a piece of rock

[keen obsidian]

yes

[tropic arrow]

running for life

[keen obsidian]

but like

secret dialogue from sisyphus?

[tropic arrow]

I think you can never reach 10 heart with Sisyphus if you never talked to bouldy

I was stuck for a long time because of it

[full nexus]

I remember that I really thought Bouldy was gonna wake up some day

[tropic arrow]

I had reached max heart with everyone else for long

[full nexus]

I've been lied to many times but that one hurt

[full otter]

for real, the fact you can choose what to make harder is so good

[whole comet]

going back from FO2 EM4 to just EM4 is so strange

i was like, why is Hades lagging, and I just keep time my dash a lot earlier O_O

and keep taking dmg

[rapid forum]

Same, I find it hard to go back

[whole comet]

man, the fist sux

how'd people gonna break pot with that O_O

[vapid narwhal]

attack and dash

one dash is enough to clear of its radius

[whole comet]

could see it would be difficult to do at high heat EM4

one bad timing and u would take 150 dmg XD

[vapid narwhal]

players capable of doing high heat EM4 probably wont have that issue as phase 2/3 arent really difficult for them compared to phase 1

[tropic arrow]

Are there boons that can’t be washed?

I was doing a no-boon run

Took a healing boon from Demeter

But it seems I can’t wash it away

Do I need to restart the run

[vapid narwhal]

yes there are boons that can't be sold

[high island]

Phase 2 part 2 and phase 3 are plenty difficult tbh. Phase 1 is the hardest to no-hit because of the chance for bad summons, but the later phases can just end you from one mistake.

And Cerberus is often just RNG if you're getting hit or not lol.

[vapid narwhal]

I see people just beeline to bottom right all the time

[high island]

Yes, because there's a good chance that he'll miss you there.

But it's not guaranteed that you're not getting hit there.

[whole comet]

well cerberus is not an issue since i always have aid ready to immune

could easily stock up full bar phase 2 part 1

could be different i guess depends on ur boon set up

[high island]

Needing a Call to reliably evade an attack that does so much damage is an issue.

And at high heats, you don't always have that luxury anyway.

[whole comet]

who knows

i think if you pet him 100 times every EM4 attempt, those will always miss

cause he won't hurt u 😄

FO2 Cerberus feels almost instant

moment u see the red circle, u prolly already got hit

[karmic turret]

Hey guys, kinda newish to the game (have only beat the first 3 bosses) and can now start unlocking the upgraded weps

is there a good one to go for at first?

[rapid forum]

which weapon do you like?

[twin thistle]

they dont count for the dad dialogue/victory screen title req btw

[twin thistle]

this

[karmic turret]

Shield is pretty fun so far

the ricochet effect it has

idk what a good way to build it would be

[twin thistle]

mostly applying zeus/ares/dio

tbh i personally aint that much of a fan of chaos/zag shield tho

[karmic turret]

i did also like the spear

if that would be better than the shield

[twin thistle]

aspect of achilles is quite good and rather versatile with builds

[karmic turret]

do i just throw my spear then bull rush or something?

[rapid forum]

every time you bull dash or something forgot the name, you get extra damage for your attack and cast. That's the achilles play style

[twin thistle]

yeah youll throw the spear then pressing special does a dash to it increasing ur damage

makes cast builds pretty easy to do but the damage buff to the attack is pretty big too

[karmic turret]

oh so i basically just spam my special

[fast willow]

the combo Is special into 4 casts/ attacks

or atleast that's what I do

[whole comet]

i think when people start playing a lot, they start to hate the spear 😦

[karmic turret]

yeah I'm about to try out the rail gun then bow

havent really tried either

[whole comet]

rail bow shield r all good, the others, be sure u like them b4 investing titan blood upgrade, excluding unlock

[whole comet]

speaking of spear, how'd ur run with lvl 1 guan yu go?

[gray apex]

ded

[twin thistle]

i got to dad in the last one

but my damage was baaad

[gray apex]

Rip

[twin thistle]

ri2 was a bad idea lol

good enough for champs but dad is too fat

prolly gunna go back to ri0 plus fo2 or ap2 and something

in a while tho

[whole comet]

what's your heat set up?

[twin thistle]

something something hl5, lc4, cf0, js1, em3, bp1, uc1, mm, fo1, ri2, ap1, td3. pretty easy getting into elysium but ri2 sucks for scaling into champs and dad

tbh my god pool rng wasnt great though

didnt really have any good duo or legendary set ups that wouldve made my danage actually good

might just go back to using a god keepsake in tart

[whole comet]

oh, u got UC?

how much hp when u made to Hades?

[twin thistle]

idk 40

[whole comet]

at least it's not EM4 XD

but i guess u sound like u might've won if u have TD2?

[twin thistle]

eh. id die first from whatever else i got forced to put on

[gray apex]

Why ri2 of all things

[twin thistle]

good question tbh

[whole comet]

good point lol

[twin thistle]

fo2 and bp2 elysium are kinda just pain

[whole comet]

and tbh

if u use the green hp perk

[gray apex]

Yea that’s fair

[whole comet]

u would do high dmg, right?

[twin thistle]

no?

its +25%?

damage would mainly come from last three perks

[gray apex]

It’s just for memeing, you wont proc it most of the run unless you get Patty and not get hit often

[twin thistle]

and having you know, an actual build

[whole comet]

ah right u use SD to stayalive

[gray apex]

Yea

[twin thistle]

i literally get oneshot by everything you know

[gray apex]

3 DDs means 3 hits

[whole comet]

thought u're going in try to no damage whole run lol

[gray apex]

Maybe not with that much heat

[twin thistle]

but yeah ill just stick on fo2 and and like dc1 or cf1 and get rid of ri2

[gray apex]

How much heat is this

[twin thistle]

40

cuz im dumb

maybe i should just do 36 first...

[whole comet]

lol he's going in to essentially 2 hit = death

might as well go for no damage 😄

[twin thistle]

like this without that last 4 heat isnt a huge problem tbh

[smoky vigil]

Nooo spear is good :(

[twin thistle]

2 hits a room is a lot to work with

reallly weak attacks dont oneshot either anyways

[gray apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828345223180583002/898480871340920862/image0.png

[whole comet]

btw

can we refund blood back?

[gray apex]

It’s still ambitious

But it’s comfy since you have room to lower fo

[twin thistle]

bp2 fo2 elysium would just be hell

[tropic arrow]

Anyone tried a revenge build?

[twin thistle]

there are revenge only dad runs lol

[tropic arrow]

I want to see

[twin thistle]

and maybe even all rooms or something somehow

[tropic arrow]

Show me the way

[twin thistle]

idk. havent done it. use youtube smh

[tropic arrow]

Can’t

I’m too cute

[whole comet]

too cute
to use youtube

[gray apex]

Haelian did it I think

With EM4

[clear trench]

Weird starting game with vulkan doesn’t work now

With windows 11

Doesn’t detect my gpu for some reason

With dx works fine tho

[tropic arrow]

Yea i don’t use Vulkan

Too buggy

My game often freezes and goes black screen (sound still playing) when playing using vulkan

Plus the fact that screen shots and recording softwares don’t work nicely with vulkan

[gloomy sleet]

thats the problem right there

nobody should be swapping to 11

its really unoptimized

[frigid fossil]

To unlock the hidden aspect of a weapon do you need to be equipped with it to get the phrase from the npc?

[gloomy sleet]

nvm

i read wrong

[frigid fossil]

I know that. But do i need to have chose it to trigger the dialogue?

[gloomy sleet]

i do believe, then talk to achilles and nyx

[frigid fossil]

I havew those. I need only asterius

😦

[gloomy sleet]

thanks for specifying

give me a second i can find out, it kinda just worked for me so i dont know myself

yeah you do need it equipped

and then find him

[frigid fossil]

thanks a lot!

[gloomy sleet]

np sorry for the confusion

[whole comet]

https://imgur.com/a/I3LWMJQ

lol per attack -10

[clear trench]

Not for me tbh had no problems whatsoever

My pc is working same as always

[gloomy sleet]

whats ur specs?

[clear trench]

And even better actually cause on windows 10 I had 2 bugs

And they gone

With the windows 11

[clear trench]

Rx 5700 xt 16gb ram ryzen 5 3600 cpu

[gloomy sleet]

oh

makes sense

you ballin

[clear trench]

What?

[gloomy sleet]

your pc is good

[clear trench]

Ty :3

But ppl are saying amd cpu are having problems with windows 12

11*

I didn’t notice anything unusual at all

So far

I literally was running doom eternal all on max with hdr on

And was working fine as always

Or sea of thieves

[lone kernel]

This will happen to every firmware update until the heat death of the universe

Unintended consequences

[clear trench]

It doesn’t happen to everyone

Apparently

Nothing happened to mine

From what it seems

[lone kernel]

Yeah, the people it does happen to will be vocal

Making it seem like a bigger risk than it is

[clear trench]

Regardless it’s gonna be fixed very soon

Whatever it is

So far I’m loving windows 11

The UI is so user friendly

And looks simple and smooth

😄

[high island]

#h1-tech-support

[clear trench]

Oh sorry XD

But back on topic

Is it just me

Or am I only one

Who loves medusa

She is so shy and funny

It’s just adorable

[high island]

Her Chthonic Companion is the best.

[clear trench]

Cerberus is also best boy

I wish I had a 3 head dog

XD

[high island]

I love her 100% canon dialogue with Meg about it. https://clips.twitch.tv/PoorIgnorantClipsdadStoneLightning-j0BDRqs4Z3OkG8Yh

[clear trench]

But are Meg and Medusa just friends tho?

Doesn’t Medusa like zagreus? It seems like it all the time XD

[high island]

You'll have to find out.

[clear trench]

Didnt saw all stuff with meg and Medusa so idk all that happens

[high island]

Do you have Fidi yet?

[clear trench]

Don’t think so

Isn’t fidi one of Meg sisters?

[high island]

Nope.

[clear trench]

Then I don’t

XD

[frigid fossil]

Oh my god. I just got euridice room and she is with orpheus singing "its in the blood". I dont want to leave the room

[spare tiger]

Cthonic Companion

[fast willow]

wait

i just realised dusa is short for medusa

[rapid forum]

wow, her Dusa impression is so good

[high island]

It's not an impression, it's Dusa.

[devout terrace]

it literally is

[rapid forum]

The joke fell flat, didn't it?

[devout terrace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523774570394681344/875365754671865886/dusavibe.gif

[high island]

But if you want to hear Dusa's Alecto impression... https://clips.twitch.tv/BraveImpartialChimpanzeeTakeNRG-u5Qgc38oiv840uSp

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864281763526344705/875516432060907620/unknown.png

the wall of dusa

[high island]

[marsh rivet]

It's close to the opposite. There are a vanishingly small number of scenarios where PS is worth it over FF.

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/840630085722963990.gif?size=96

🍔

[marsh rivet]

For me the general rule of thumb is that if you have to make a single build or damage rotation decision for the purpose of maintaining PS that you wouldn't have done otherwise, it's not really worth it anymore. There are a few aspects where it's mostly free. Passion Flare + Snow Burst Beowulf for example.

[devout terrace]

drunken strike start also benefits from priv status

but then again its drunken strike start so not that common anyway

[marsh rivet]

I couldn't even get it to happen for free every time on Hangover Chiron lol. I had a lot of runs that ended up with Deadly Strike on attack (which is fine because of Splitting Headache) and a good attack hammer, and I wasn't going to give that up for a chance of status

[fast willow]

wont FF give like a 25-30% boost anyways by like the end of asphodel in most situations

[marsh rivet]

(Also I think you said 20%, it's usually different by 15%, and rarely 10%, if you have a 5 god pool, because Hermes counts)

[marsh rivet]

Yes

[devout terrace]

its just generally more consistent to go with ff

[marsh rivet]

Also you run into common situations, like, say, with Chiron, your attack or powershot first (powershot usually if you have an attack hammer), then use special to apply hangover. But if you have PS, even if you have Heartbreak Strike you're not getting the PS bonus on your attack, and the last tick of hangover (since both statuses are 4 seconds) won't get it either.

And Low Tolerance Chiron should be like... the poster child of PS, should it not?

[fast willow]

yeah thats a good point as well

big number from PS looks tempting on paper but i would almost always run FF

[marsh rivet]

Curse of Nausea Chiron is even worse lol. The Doom proc will get it but not like, over half of the Hangover ticks lmao. Impending Doom could band-aid it but yeah, I really dislike arguments including Tier 2s. They're so inconsistent, and often bad (looking at you, Blinding Flash)

Athena's boons are so dope. How many would I need before I actually want to take Blinding Flash normally lol.

[oak gull]

How do you make Chiron good?

I like its basic idea.

[marsh rivet]

I think a lot of people forget that your attack is still a move on Chiron

[fast willow]

you dont really need to "make" it good, i think chiron is already considered one of the better aspects

[marsh rivet]

So in effect, Chiron has one of the sickest hammer pools in the game

Like it's basically all hits

And Bow hammers don't play around lol

[oak gull]

Yeah, I just tried to artemis the special and got the consecutive special hits +5 dmg hammer for it. It was okay, but it was nowhere near optimal.

Then I got the hammer that nixed power shot in recompense for shooting a lot of arrows fast. But it got good when I traded the consecutive special and lucked into split arrows and point blank.

[marsh rivet]

The three usual builds I like to go for are Deadly Flourish w/ Heartbreak Strike for Heart Rend, Heartbreak Flourish for Smoldering Air (you can still do smoldering with the previous setup) and Hangover Chiron for any of the duos

[fast willow]

are you on max lv chiron aspect?

[mint coral]

If you go artemis you want special dmg from chaos too

[marsh rivet]

lol in fairness you kind of always want special damage from chaos :3

[oak gull]

4 or 5

iirc

[mint coral]

tbf i havent done hangover chiron in a while, eris is way more fun

[marsh rivet]

(eris is way better cough)

[oak gull]

I think I did get special damage.

[marsh rivet]

But comparing Chirons to Erises and Hestias is unfair

[oak gull]

It still felt a little meh. Especially later on.

But on the Furies, it was ballin'.

[fast willow]

comparing anything to eris is unfair

[marsh rivet]

Also pick Calls really highly on Chiron. It builds charge extremely fast, like, faster than most aspects

[mint coral]

Beowulf

[oak gull]

The gun is just that good. 75% damage on top is just the dot over the i.

[marsh rivet]

if the dot on the i was actually the whole time

[fast willow]

[marsh rivet]

Yeah, Chiron is kind of a safe, hybid Hestia-lite but's also good at attacking around corners and if you get good with positioning it has decent AoE as well. The only times it'll feel broken are if you get both Special hammers, lots of Special damage with Crit, or if you're abusing a Call. You can get really stupid uptime on Dio's or Zeus' Aid on Chiron.

(or Rip Current lol)

[mint coral]

Use your hangover chiron to charge your dio call

[fast willow]

imagine even seeing rip current

[mint coral]

"Mess up your dmg at the press of a button"

[marsh rivet]

Yeah, Hangover Chiron is basically Smoldering Air if you focus on spreading to multiple targets lol

Oh, and also you can break the game with Epic Swift Flourish + Concentrated Volley

The back to back volleys will concentrate each other

[high island]

Well, start with Heartbreak Strike, not Drunken Flourish.

Heartbreak Strike is much faster in Tartarus than Drunken Flourish.

[marsh rivet]

Depends. If I'm Hangover Chiron I usually want DC2

on DC0 though yeah, Heartbreak Strike start is awesome on Chiron

[high island]

You're a hangover centaur sometimes?

[fast willow]

get relentless volley as well on that

the last shot will get +92dmg from concentrated

extra 1104 damage from concentrated alone

[marsh rivet]

lemme see if I can find the clip of EM4 basically getting skipped at 50 heat by nut Chiron

[gray apex]

I have it saved

[marsh rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wq6OtdL9SY

[gray apex]

Yes

That one

[marsh rivet]

It's nasty

[fast willow]

oh wait concentrated volley is +3 per shot and not +4

then my math is a bit off

but still big number

[gray apex]

It’s messed up

[marsh rivet]

I like the flex of killing the summons when they 100% did not have to but they were bored during darkness/invuln phases

[signal aspen]

Bruh

[marsh rivet]

But in general even with a fair build I think Chiron is maybe even a little easier than Hestia for EM4, mostly because Dad's attacks gets stopped really easily if you camp the other side of the pillar and Chiron can attack around corners

It's a lot more sensitive to summons though. Sneaks... well, good luck

[gray apex]

smh

I watched this like 20 times when it first got posted here

And it's still crazy

[marsh rivet]

cough so yeah even with a million good Duo outs on Chiron it still pays to go God's Pride so you can maybe do that

[full nexus]

Idk

Hestia's attack almost has no recovery

You can get caught with Chiron

[marsh rivet]

Yeah that's why I mentioned the summons suck lol.

[brisk trail]

I got destroyed by em4 summons with chiron it wasnt a good time

I even had like 3 SDs

but im also not good at em4

[ripe rapids]

Why does everyone tell me how good guan yu is, it feels terrible to play with half of the pacts

[marsh rivet]

Because everyone is really telling you how good Charged Skewer is lol

You put up with Guan Yu for it.

[ripe rapids]

? The combo

[marsh rivet]

The hammer

[brisk trail]

gy is good lol

[marsh rivet]

The rotation is non obvious, you never want to use the base attack (the first one is terrible, the second hit is a death sentence). So you usually lead with special, dash strike twice, cast, repeat

Cast fills in the time between your combo nicely

[brisk trail]

yeah its not that straightforward

[ripe rapids]

So they want one hammer to make an entire build viable.. I see

[brisk trail]

spin hammers are really fun

[marsh rivet]

Very slow though. Quick + Massive is probably the safest build (without FO2 active) with Divine Strike lol

[brisk trail]

you can win on low heat with special builds even without charged skewer

[marsh rivet]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

like you can play gy crazy safe

or you can do the atk rotation ledger mentioned

or do a spin build

all of these are nice

[marsh rivet]

It goes without saying though, but even at 0 heat, you really have to be good at not getting hit on GY lol

It's a mandatory prereq

It's a pretty awful beginner aspect because of it

[brisk trail]

it was my first spear win idk...

[marsh rivet]

Especially since it's unplayable until level 5

[brisk trail]

I really liked it

oh yeah def max it

[ripe rapids]

True gamers rock gy lvl 1

Just don’t get hit right

[marsh rivet]

Lol yeah that's more @twin thistle's thing

[brisk trail]

I mean its not as hard as you think

with 0 heat

[marsh rivet]

Charged Skewer is hella dumb

For not getting hit

[brisk trail]

yea

[marsh rivet]

If you don't go for the optimal dash strikes, you can hang back over a screen away and just yeet

Which, as Toffel mentioned, makes it incredibly easy to do 0 heat, even considering the health loss

[full nexus]

Don't lol at me

.

[marsh rivet]

lol

@full nexus

[full nexus]

[marsh rivet]

[lone kernel]

starting aphro special then an early life affirmation makes it suck way less

(for the mortals here that get hit)

charged skewer gives you like, a chonk shot every .75 sec or so

[marsh rivet]

Yeah until very very high heat I much prefer Heartbreak Flourish -> Smoldering AIr

Since GY builds call charge really slow

[lone kernel]

📠

[full nexus]

Unless spin build / hangover support fire

[lone kernel]

and the life affirmation

makes the heart containers worth like

20

which is...doable

[full nexus]

Pretty good boon

[lone kernel]

inconvenient, not crippling and demoralizing

[full nexus]

For weaklings

[high island]

There are two types of players: those who love Guan Yu and do well with it... and cowards.

[lone kernel]

i did 32 GY last week

that's as far as imma go with it (i'm prioritizing new aspect 32s rn)

[high island]

Confirmed not-coward up to 32 Heat, at least.

[lone kernel]

but it was because of

oh, i mean ive done 40 twice ever

rn playing new aspects is more fun

"new"

next up is spread fire zag rail i think

[high island]

No but really, if you look at Guan Yu and think "this glass canon thing seems pretty cool," you'll probably do very well with it very quickly.

I don't think it's particularly difficult to play, but you need to have a certain mindset for it tbh.

[lone kernel]

literally i was terrible with it until i came here and saw take charged skewer

then five months later, finally picking the thing up again and beating 32 rather easily with it

[high island]

Charged Skewer is amazing, but spin builds can also be really effective and not all that difficult to play.

[lone kernel]

please elaborate

i recall your guide covering mostly skewer

[high island]

I've added something about spins the other day, actually.

[lone kernel]

oh awesome

[high island]

#h1-discussion message

There's a lot more I could add, like using terrain to your advantage etc. And I probably will at some point.

But really, the concept of running away when you're at low health and throwing spins at enemies that are coming around the corner or across gaps or whatever to heal back is very intuitive.

[lone kernel]

Gotcha. I’ll give it a go rather than reset if I don’t get skewer lol

Next attempt

I’ve 32ed every bow

[full nexus]

You don't rely on hammers before 45+

unless you run for speed

[lone kernel]

Maybe you don’t

Im a middling high heat lol

With gy I need it

[full nexus]

No I mean Guan Yu does not need it

Yeah

[lone kernel]

Oh I believe that

[full nexus]

But you'll improve if you want to

[lone kernel]

Yeah for sure

Charged skewer is so fun tho

[full nexus]

Then you'll do some lv 1 Guan Yu stuff

Yeah

[lone kernel]

Plus I can use the back button for special and like

play Mario kart with unlimited turtle shells

[full nexus]

[lone kernel]

[tropic arrow]

Does every arrow you shoot with Chiron special calls a thunderbolt

Or is it just one for each press of button

[marsh rivet]

You can get 2 at particular angles

Easier with Relentless

[full nexus]

2 every time

iirc

[tropic arrow]

Errrr

[full nexus]

I always forget but I think it's 2 bolts and 3 with the angle

[marsh rivet]

No, it's 1 or 2

3 is possible but usually has some jank

[full nexus]

The internal cooldown is what, .2 or .3 second?

[tropic arrow]

So what are the boons that Chiron’s high hit rate can take advantage of?

[marsh rivet]

.2

[tropic arrow]

I see that Zeus special doesn’t hit once for each arrow so

[marsh rivet]

Deadly/Heartbreak Flourish, Drunken Flourish are my general go-to

[lone kernel]

Hangover and Artemis

Aphro attack heart rend is pretty based

[mint coral]

ares + dire misfortune is a meme too

[lone kernel]

Arty special

[brisk trail]

zeus special is still good for chiron

[full nexus]

Hangover, otherwise anything with a %

[lone kernel]

Ares in general is a meme

[full nexus]

Zeus is kinda alright with global damage and jolted. Adds some aoe

[tropic arrow]

So hangover does stack once per arrow?

[brisk trail]

ye

[lone kernel]

Yes

Push button, max hangover

[marsh rivet]

Also shoots 8 arrows so Low Tolerance is incredibly good

[lone kernel]

It’s the best weapon for the aphro dio duo boon

Which is otherwise kinda meh

I guess on rail idk

[raw herald]

It’s good with smoldering dio aid

Since you have an aphro core

[high island]

Drunken Flourish (Low Tolerance etc.), Deadly Flourish (Heart Rend), Heartbreak Flourish (amazing with Unhealthy Fixation), Frost Flourish (Chill t2 boons), Tempest Flourish (Sea Storm) are generally the ones you can make work very well on Chiron. Curse of Pain and Thunder Flourish are honestly pretty bad... but you can at least make something happen with Curse of Pain and Dire Misfortune. Thunder Flourish on Chiron is just awful.

[brisk trail]

low tolerance is nice on rama aphro atk dio special

[tropic arrow]

Sea storm?

Why do I want to stack that

[lone kernel]

Poseidon attack

[raw herald]

Bablo did thunder flourish for his sub 7

[lone kernel]

Zeus bolts

[marsh rivet]

It takes 3 volleys to make that happen without Relentless Volley lol

[brisk trail]

lol

[high island]

What? No, not his Attack. Definitely not.

Anything but Tempest Strike.

[brisk trail]

seastorm lightning procs per arrow right

[full nexus]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

because it doesnt have the internal cooldown

[raw herald]

No

[high island]

Tempest Flourish + Zeus' Aid would be ideal, but Electric Shot and Thunder Dash can be alright to unlock it.

[marsh rivet]

Sea storm I'm pretty sure has its own ICD

[brisk trail]

oh...

[raw herald]

It’s 0.2

[tropic arrow]

Ohhhh sea storm is the duo

[high island]

You should typically get 2 procs per Special.

Yes.

[raw herald]

But tempest flourish is just a big increase in general which is why pos special is good

[tropic arrow]

Not playing the game in English makes it hard for me to match those boon names with what they are in chat

[raw herald]

And you can get his tier 2s

[tropic arrow]

[brisk trail]

you can always ask its ok

[marsh rivet]

Idk, I'm kind of with Astaos honestly. It's very weird, on paper Thunder Chiron should be a meme but it feels better than it should lol

[raw herald]

It has AOE

[brisk trail]

its bc zeus is too good

[marsh rivet]

Not as good as the "good" options but surprisingly not a disaster

[raw herald]

And double strike is broken

[brisk trail]

I actually did decent w it for chiron 50

[lone kernel]

It’s solid, but like, it doesn’t melt things the way other Zeus builds can

[high island]

It's no disaster, it's just so much worse than the other options.

[lone kernel]

At least not as easily

[brisk trail]

chiron is just bad

not sorry

[lone kernel]

Chiron bad aspect confirmed

[raw herald]

Better than ares and aphro imo

Maybe not aphro

[mint coral]

is not thunder flare lvls of bad at least

[high island]

And there are so many better boons to pick from him that aren't Thunder Flourish.

[lone kernel]

Zeus bad god confirmed

[brisk trail]

seastorm bad

case closed

[high island]

I'd rather have Thunder Dash and get Static Discharge on that than get Thunder Flourish.

[lone kernel]

Sea storm feels like heart rend with extra steps that makes you worse until you get the duo

[raw herald]

Both are overrated duos

[lone kernel]

Is thunder dash even a real option for anything besides jolted and damage control control

lol get it

[tropic arrow]

What’s an unsalvageable aspect

[brisk trail]

gilga

[lone kernel]

You can win with anything

[brisk trail]

😔

but yeah everything works

[raw herald]

It’s sometimes used on Arthur in speed runs

To start

[full nexus]

[brisk trail]

gilga is just so sad

[tropic arrow]

Yea that’s certain, otherwise it would be a huge design flaw

[lone kernel]

[marsh rivet]

I don't think Gilga is unsalvageable, SGG just elected to not salvage it lol

[high island]

Sea Storm is only really overrated because people look at builds before the requirements were tightened so much in... 1.37, I think? And they think the meta before that still applies now. It's an excellent boon in the right build, rarely something to specifically shoot for.

[marsh rivet]

Yeah, before you just got Sea Storm for free for doing what you'd do anyway

But it's so much worse now that you have to try to get it

[high island]

It's interesting that they chose to make Sea Storm harder to get rather than nerf Tidal Dash in some way. Not disagreeing with the choice, just interesting.

[brisk trail]

im biased aganist seastorm but it can be fun and ok and I enjoy it for tidal dash or something but shooting for it in your core is so painful

[full nexus]

Yeah it was not even that great

The nerf was stupid

[raw herald]

Now you have to take flood shot, which is like the 6th priority from Poseidon

[brisk trail]

oh you dont get it w tidal dash anymore

NVERMIND

[full nexus]

Yeah

[hidden oxide]

are there only the 4 bosses?

[marsh rivet]

5, one hidden

[twin thistle]

technically more

[full nexus]

There's a secret one

[high island]

There's also an optional boss.

[hidden oxide]

:[

[brisk trail]

theres also stronger versions of the bosses

[full nexus]

They don't exist

[marsh rivet]

Yeah, I'd probably say EM3 and EM4 count as separate bosses

[hidden oxide]

kinda disappointing

but i get it

think im just used to isaac

[marsh rivet]

The harder you push the game, the difficulty curve between rooms and bosses diminishes

So eventually every room has the potential to be a boss

[full nexus]

Until

[lone kernel]

I took breaking wave over sea storm yesterday

No regerts

[hidden oxide]

i really like how the game works

the enemies/bosses have just gotten really repetitive

there arent enough of them

[brisk trail]

I understand I felt the same way at some point

[hidden oxide]

after like 30 hrs im sick of fighting those bomb guys

[brisk trail]

but when i started pushing heat and trying out more builds it got fun again

[raw herald]

Yeah

[hidden oxide]

hope they have like a dlc coming that adds more

[raw herald]

Highly unlikely

[brisk trail]

no dlc's prob

[hidden oxide]

RIP

[marsh rivet]

Benefits Package 2 and Forced Overtime 2 both kind of force you to relearn the game, and BP2 in particular mob compositions incredibly volatile

[hidden oxide]

they just dont do dlc in general?

[twin thistle]

bp2 fo2 elysium

[strong ridge]

ya'

[hidden oxide]

is there a modding scene

[strong ridge]

ya

[twin thistle]

savior speeder greatshields

[hidden oxide]

it seems like it would be really hard to replicate the art style

[strong ridge]

ya

[full nexus]

Yes but rather to soften the RNG

[marsh rivet]

I don't even like Roguelikes because of the repetitive issues you brought up but I stuck very happily to this one for some low 4 digit number of hours

[full nexus]

Than adding content

[hidden oxide]

thats a shame cause it took like

[marsh rivet]

Short run length, extreme build variability, and the Heat system makes it very easy to play for a long time

[hidden oxide]

10 years of updates for isaac to become what it did

no updates or dlc

is very

[sour elk]

They overdid Isaac Nicalis had way too much pressure from Isaac’s players and made the game almost impenetrably dense due to constant additions

[brisk trail]

isaac is a bit diff because it started out as a smaller scale game

and got updated as it got popular

sgg likes to make complete stuff

and they had a full team from the start

[sour elk]

Good points

[hidden oxide]

a problem i have with a lot of the roguelikes that come out that get lots of hype

like dead cells too

is yeah you run out of content really fast and just have to keep upping difficulty

[brisk trail]

I think if you look at like

hey this indie game thats like half price gave me 30h of content

thats pretty good

and with rouge likes you can play them forever

[marsh rivet]

I don't even know on exactly what axis you could add DLC to Hades without kind of ruining the build/run economy

[brisk trail]

they are like arcade games

[hidden oxide]

i think gungeon is my second favorite

but even gungeon does a pretty poor job esp at the beginning of runs making them unique

[full nexus]

Pew pew pew

[hidden oxide]

feels like it takes 10 min to get going

[full nexus]

Yeah but the gameplay is fun unlike Isaac

[devout terrace]

the labyrinth

[brisk trail]

5th area

itrs completly random

[marsh rivet]

Another biome would be a disaster, builds would become swollen and it'd be way too easy to get stupid nut builds, more gods would kind of stilt the balance and make all sorts of builds just harder to come together. I could see alternate bosses for biomes

[brisk trail]

speedrunner nightmare

[full nexus]

One more phase to EM4

[sour elk]

It would need to be a new, distinct route map

[full nexus]

Summons come back

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/764768404795949066.png?size=96

[brisk trail]

persephone boss fight after em4

[sour elk]

I’ve been posting a bit in #h1-story-discussion about a Descent theme

[hidden oxide]

they could hypothetically

add a new level that gives you no new upgrades

[marsh rivet]

If anything, way before I'd want DLC for Hades, I'd like them to clean up the remaining rough edges of the game (though Hades has far less than most)

[hidden oxide]

only items you spend at the hub

[sour elk]

Where Zag would be sent deeper down to uncover new family secrets

[brisk trail]

no more sack rng when you select td the dream

[sour elk]

Because in Greek myth, Persephone has a daughter with Zeus, Melinoë, the nymph of nightmares

[strong ridge]

hades arena moed

pleaz

[high island]

Hades Modding discord is pinned in #self-promotion if you're interested in that.

[devout terrace]

b o a r d w i p e

[marsh rivet]

AP2 rework and sack RNG fix with TD would be my big ones. Also some hanging big bugs in the game, like Tooth + DD interactions

[devout terrace]

a good fix would be removing beowulf

[brisk trail]

lmao

[marsh rivet]

But I understand making huge changes to appease the teeny tiny percentage of the community that actively pushes heat is not practical

It's a wish list though

[devout terrace]

M O D D E D G A M E

v1.1.1 goated

[tropic arrow]

If say I want to build around aphro cast, and brought aphro keepsake to the run,

If the first boon she gives me has the cast but the rarity is common

Should I take it or not

[devout terrace]

not worth rolling

[brisk trail]

take it anyway and pom it

[marsh rivet]

Pom is a lot better than rarity

[devout terrace]

rarity barely matters on it

[mint coral]

casts wants more poms than rarity

[marsh rivet]

You want demeter for cast builds anyway so you may get lucky with Rare Crop lol

[tropic arrow]

What’s rare crop

[brisk trail]

the one that can upgrade boon rarity over time

[tropic arrow]

Ah yea

I sometimes look for that

But can’t really rely on it

[marsh rivet]

I mean I'd never roll for it lol, but welp I see it all the time anyway when I'm rolling for Snow Burst

[brisk trail]

in general I think you'd rather just set up your build than go fishing for better rarities

I say this but I sometimes do greed rerolls

and it often backfires

[marsh rivet]

lol @full nexus's greed rerolls into duos/legendaries on AP2.

[brisk trail]

[tropic arrow]

Is POM and rarity completely pointless for Athena dash?

[marsh rivet]

yeah basically

[full nexus]

I'd never do that

[brisk trail]

athena dash isnt gonna be ur main dps ye

[high island]

It could do 0 damage and you'd still take it.

[tropic arrow]

Yea totally

I’m kinda spoiled by it actually

[marsh rivet]

It's partialy balancing Divine Dash to force it to even be in your pom pool in the first place lol

[tropic arrow]

Find it hard to do some rooms without it

[fast willow]

but then I can't kill the small Styx rats

[marsh rivet]

Yeah it'd be a lot worse but it'd still be a solid boon lol

[pure karma]

heeeey

[pure karma]

ME

[brisk trail]

ME more like meme

[pure karma]

Hey hey now

[brisk trail]

How does chaos affacet attack damage is using ares?

Does the doom damage increase?

Or is it just pointless

[gray apex]

It does not

[brisk trail]

You're kidding me

[gray apex]

I'm not

[pure karma]

I think the only way to increase boon damage is with other boons or global damage

[brisk trail]

So the two chaos gates were absolutely pointless

Nice 😎

[pure karma]

Depends on what you picked

Your attack itself will still be stronger

[gray apex]

Depends if what you're using benefits from the extra base atk

[brisk trail]

Special damage on shield

[pure karma]

Which shield?

Aspect

[brisk trail]

Choas

Chaos

[gray apex]

That's decent

[pure karma]

Special damage on chaos shield is great

[brisk trail]

Ah ok!

[pure karma]

Just make sure you utilize its passive

[brisk trail]

Just waiting for merciful end now 😩

[pure karma]

meaning you bull rush before you use it to get the bonus shields

[ebon thistle]

Hmmmm
Zeus shield with Ares special and stacking Doom?

[pure karma]

You need to interact with it 200smth times I believe

doesnt matter how you do it from what I remember

[manic bobcat]

You can spam it. I did.

[obtuse whale]

does anybody use rend in eris build?

[raw herald]

Not really

[brisk trail]

What's up with 7:48 on the sundial

Some inside joke?

[obtuse whale]

sad

but ig it makes sense

[raw herald]

Both deadly strike and heartbreak strike are bad on Eris

[obtuse whale]

zeus attack and artemis special is reserved

so we would have to take crush shot

[obtuse whale]

yea..

[mint coral]

crush shot is good tho

[obtuse whale]

it is??

[raw herald]

On hera

[obtuse whale]

oh hera

[mint coral]

i dont have a problem picking it up in pretty much anything

[raw herald]

New phone isn’t used to hades autocorrect

[mint coral]

unless i only want boiling blood

[obtuse whale]

mm

I am going to try to get rend and purge it away

oh?

crush shot still does stick the thing inside foes

maybe it's better than I thought

[raw herald]

Bad range

[obtuse whale]

ig yea

but I also often find myself close to enemies

coz cluster and rocket

[reef zodiac]

[high island]

@reef zodiac you have a tendency to be part of prolonged discussions in #h1-victory-boasting that should go here or most likely in #h1-builds-and-combat.

[full otter]

wondering what could be a good build for achilles spear (that isn't based on the cast)

[high island]

Just ping the person in #h1-builds-and-combat and chat there instead.

[high island]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit

[reef zodiac]

Hey I didn’t start that, nor was I the majority of the messages. But yeah, I won’t do that. I was honestly just stopping by real quick and don’t plan to stick around long

[high island]

I didn't say you started it, but you do have a tendency to be part of it.

[reef zodiac]

I won’t disagree with that

[high island]

You did ask me before to call you out.

[reef zodiac]

Lol

I think I was referring more to toxicity but whatever doesn’t matter

[high island]

It's super toxic.

[marsh rivet]

I remember this comment from yesterday lol, which is like, 2000 posts back. How did you find this LOL

[twin thistle]

search bar

[high island]

He searches for his name every day at least two times.

[marsh rivet]

Lol yeah I wanted to give him benefit of the doubt that he didn't do that lmfao

[reef zodiac]

I was curious if or how I was remembered by a community I was a regular part of and then abruptly left lol

[high island]

I searched my name in the speedrun server one time and found cgull trying to find out when and why I stopped calling Poseidon Lord Poseidon. That was entertaining.

[frigid fossil]

does anyone know if you use the pact "middle managment" if it locks out the encounter of asterius in elysium?

[pure karma]

It does not

[high island]

You left?

[reef zodiac]

Not literally, but I became completely inactive

Moved on to other games and other servers

[high island]

For what, 2 days?

[frigid fossil]

strange. cause every time i dont encounter him with that pact

[pure karma]

I play exclusively with MM and he appears

[high island]

October 11. 3 days.

Wow.

[pure karma]

I don't think the fight changes though

[frigid fossil]

IM trying to get the hidden aspect of malphon

[reef zodiac]

Nah like a week or so, with a few messages peppered in

I stopped by on the 11th

[high island]

And on the 8th.

And the 7th, and the...

[pure karma]

Yeah WHY do you not give LORD Poseidon the respect he deserves?

[high island]

That's not disappearing. You're still here almost every day.

[reef zodiac]

No I stopped playing the game on the 8th

[full nexus]

o7

[reef zodiac]

I haven’t opened Hades since then and don’t really have any drive to talk about the game anymore

[full nexus]

🥞

[reef zodiac]

So yeah I stopped by twice in the last week to see what was going on but my visits will probably become less frequent unless I pick up the game again

[marsh rivet]

Lol honestly same. I play the game extremely casually now, average of a run or two a day if that, but it's enough for me to keep posting here.

I lost interest like immediately if I stop playing the game

[high island]

He calls all shades "filth". That don't vibe with me.

He's like a racist uncle.

[pure karma]

Me too, I can't get over 40 heat so I am slowly giving up

limit reached

[full nexus]

Nah you have it in you

[marsh rivet]

I mean... yeah Poseidon has massive racist "fun" uncle energy lmao

[pure karma]

Aphrodite calls Zagreus "little godling"

what do you mean little

I will show you if you come here

[full nexus]

[marsh rivet]

Is Zag bigger than human size?

[pure karma]

I'd say a bit over average human size

Sisyphus seems bigger

[full nexus]

Not really tbh

[frigid fossil]

Lol i feel lucky then. I started playing the game this month. Actually I cant stop the playing. Every run is has something new for me to return to the house

[full nexus]

When you compare with Guan Yu's size

[marsh rivet]

SIsyphus has been working out for a thousand years

[reef zodiac]

I’m totally fine with moving on from the game though. I’ve accomplished enough to feel really satisfied with it and spent over 650 hours in the game. Maybe if I run out of things to do in other games I’ll come back but idk

[high island]

How about you come meet me in the courtyard? Bring your friends, you'll need all the help you can get.

[pure karma]

Not you

I thought you were not Aphrodite

But I will accept nevertheless

I wish this game had PvP

[reef zodiac]

That would be a disaster

[high island]

You really wish this game had pvp after saying something like that?

[pure karma]

Yes

[high island]

In my presence.

[pure karma]

Yes

[reef zodiac]

Well anyway I’m going back to other games, until next time

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-wwe-alexa-bliss-alexa-bliss-alexa-bliss-meme-alexa-bliss-reaction-gif-17527545

[pure karma]

Intrigued

Damn those two... eyes.

[obtuse whale]

omg hades pvp

that would be fun

[marsh rivet]

I think co-op would probably be more fun, but yeah it'd be interesting as a novelty

[mint coral]

shield meta as soon pvp is a thing

[marsh rivet]

lol pretty sure you just have to ban chiron and hestia

[pure karma]

Don't you dare touch my Hestia

[spare tiger]

Who'd be your partner in crime?

As obvious as Thanatos sounds he's only able to get away with one chamber per run so he's not really valid

[marsh rivet]

@full nexus is usually my go to fellow memelord.

Oh you meant character in game

[spare tiger]

Yeah

For Co op

[full nexus]

ah

[spare tiger]

Meg is a boss already, Achilles is bound by pact, Than is always busy and can only get away with one chamber

[full nexus]

Back to the shadows

[marsh rivet]

shoo

I have falsely summoned thee

[spare tiger]

BEGONE!

I BANISH THEE TO TARTARUS

[marsh rivet]

If we're talking in game follow-along companion, easy Cerberus

[spare tiger]

He's gotta guard Styx

[marsh rivet]

[spare tiger]

And on EM4, Hades' trump card

[marsh rivet]

I mean, I have a feeling that Zag would go through the tunnels of Styx to get the bestest boi his good boy treats anyway

[spare tiger]

Plus he's kinda duty bound to clear the Satyrs

So perhaps

Legit though we should get a few people together and brainstorm this

[alpine monolith]

is it just me or does the hidden shield aspect just kinda.... suck?

[spare tiger]

Did you do a full run with it?

[marsh rivet]

It's probably in conversation for the most broken aspect in the game lol

[alpine monolith]

not really no, currently in asphodel

[spare tiger]

It's a lot more fun on the field with a cast build

Or something akin to one

[marsh rivet]

It has a flow to it that isn't terribly intuitive.

But once you figure it out it plays really really smoothly, and gets to basically ignore most game mechanics outright

[modern garnet]

What level is it?

[alpine monolith]

think i didnt upgrade it yet

just got it

[marsh rivet]

In general, easy mistake a lot of new beo players I see make is triple loading casts, then just kind of walking around until they land again

Never do this. it's way better (though not perfectly optimal) to just load 1 cast and then do a bull rush, then repeat on loop, so every dragon rush is empowered

[alpine monolith]

hm, ill keep that in mind

[twin thistle]

beo is kinda op

its how i did 50 heat

[marsh rivet]

You should always be doing something, and a lot of the effort is in cast management and making sure you get your stones back. Try out Flood or Passion Flare.

[twin thistle]

mirage shot

[alpine monolith]

hm alr

[marsh rivet]

Yeah, Flood Flare -> Deadly Strike -> Mirage Shot is an extremely good build

[spare tiger]

My first run i got Demeter's cast

That was fun

I even got the boon that makes a small wave when you cast

I could just run up to enemies, triple load and clear the peons lol

[marsh rivet]

Snow Burst is better than Mirage Shot, yeah

[alpine monolith]

uh

im kinda new to hades lol, which one is mirage shot?

[marsh rivet]

Mirage Shot doubles your casts, the second one does 30% damage

[spare tiger]

2 for 1

[marsh rivet]

It's Poseidon + Artemis' duo boon

[alpine monolith]

oh i see

[marsh rivet]

It's an easy build to go for on Beo since Deadly Strike interacts great with the huge bonus damage on Dragon Rushes

Plus Flood Flare is good for learning because the radius is huge

[alpine monolith]

i see

what about using the mirror buff that gives you 1 shot but regenerates in 3 seconds?

does that work with beo?

[marsh rivet]

It does, and it's used with Trippy Flare (Dio's cast)

But to get it to really work you need Chaos to be a bro and give you an extra cast

Otherwise it just won't feel particularly effective compared to the other options

[alpine monolith]

ah alr

thanks for the tips

[marsh rivet]

np

Good luck!

[alpine monolith]

thanks lol

still dont think ill beat hades this run tho

[marsh rivet]

It's a process :3

[alpine monolith]

sure is lol

got flood flare, awesome

[twin thistle]

well should add that with beo its 100%

[mint coral]

Time to mention all beo bugs

[raw herald]

Not on Beowulf

On hera, yeah definitely

[marsh rivet]

Oh right sorry I made the mistake of assuming Beowulf did anything as described