What does giving Ambrosia to Charon do?
#h1-discussion
pearl saddle
waxen juniper
That one took me a while too
bright nymph
Wait does it count if I’ve already killed 10000 enemies before getting the prophecy
waxen juniper
Yes it does
bright nymph
oh thank god
fleet acorn
What does giving Ambrosia to Charon do?
literally nothing outside of forging bond
as with most bonds
waxen juniper
Rock on!!
clear heron
im streaming hades for first time just started playing
waxen juniper
@clear heron put that in #self-promotion for the future
clear heron
my bad
summer geyser
Man I've been on the spear wave for a minute but
I'm starting to like the rifle more now
flat halo
Question: was there a darkness gain reduction during early access
I noticed my old pre-launch save has 4k darkness while my current 10 run has only 1k
Or is there an inflated darkness gain after reaching the final boss (but not winning)
sharp fossil
a bunch of the mirror upgrades had their prices reduced
flat vapor
there was a heat rework during early access, beforehand extra +% darkness could be earned the more you increased your heat
sharp fossil
and early access saves had some darkness refunded because of that
oh really? i didn’t even know that lol
guess it could have been that then
summer geyser
i only have one more achievement to go!! <:shadesmile:520447982727069737>
Nice job mate, gl on your last !
hearty bramble
thank u friend!!
steady gate
Fully finish it
random kiln
Awesome game
summer geyser
Man I keep going for Hermes boons, thinking maybe this time it'll help
But he's really not helpful with the boons lmao
tender fjord
hermes is iffy
fierce phoenix
Hermes is coin flip honestly
tender fjord
usually i end up going for faster attack/special or greatest reflex just to make it feel more fluid
but imo a lot of them are meh at best
fierce phoenix
Usually like 7 out of the however many he has you want to not get
tender fjord
yeah
fierce phoenix
And there's like 1-3 you want depending on your build
tender fjord
ye
summer geyser
God Thanatos loves to steal my mf kills
fierce phoenix
Ks it back
summer geyser
I'd hate to have him on my team in any competitive games lmao
summer geyser
Ks it back
Ofc, I can't accept losing to him
But man he really be thieving out here
summer geyser
Hermes is coin flip honestly
It feels like that sometimes
summer geyser
usually i end up going for faster attack/special or greatest reflex just to make...
I like the faster attack, that's what I got this run
loud lintel
i think 54-6 has been my best score vs than
summer geyser
Wild
My best is like 20-4 or something like that
He stole those kills too lmao
He's obviously the god of thieves
spice hearth
huh, i feel like Hermes always has a helpful boon no matterwhat my run
like maybe the only lackluster one is the health recovery on dasj
fierce phoenix
Well it depends on weapon
Like bow having attack speed on charge shot does nothing
severe smelt
Generally attack/special speedup doesn't seem to help much. Maybe sometimes. Special speedup on shield can be good
tender fjord
for me its nice on some builds where i switch between the attack and special a lot
but thats just my preference
calm laurel
Same, E
loud lintel
anyone know how mirage shot interacts with hera bow?
hushed pumice
It works normally, you get extra 30% damage casts
worldly canyon
I really like the Hermes boons that give extra dodges and gives you money on entering a chamber
Really helps you get the big bucks for Charon's coffers
crude musk
side hustle is great if you get it in tartarus or early asphodel
crude musk
nice
hollow hawk
dude
im so angry rn
i accidentally fished while in lava in asphodel
it shouldve blocked me from fishing but somehow it didnt
barely survived and lost a dd to the hydra :(
ruined a perfect merciful end fists run
chilly silo
When will Hades be available in switch jp store🥺
worldly canyon
Poseidon was mad at you @hollow hawk
hollow hawk
well if thats how its like
then im never accepting poseidon boons again
smh
also, um
i just got two perfect catches in the same run
so poseidon, whats up buddy
rapid forum
making up for lost DD 
worldly canyon
He can't stay mad at you, nephew
crude musk
i FINALLY got the last hammer i needed for the spear
so now i’m gonna let charon murder me
worldly canyon
Noice
scenic stream
I swear I ||shat myselfwhen he jumped me||
long nebula
Would a question about safely quitting the game fit into #h1-tech-support or nah?
brisk trail
i don't know where it would fit. But, the general thing about safely quitting is to to that when just after entering a room
scenic stream
||Excalibur should heal you dammit||
loud lintel
would be way too strong if it did imo
scenic stream
Because right now it's just kinda... underwhelming ? Athena's boon doesn't even make the zone reflect
It's just a somewhat hard hitting, extremely slow weapon
long nebula
It's definitely the strongest ||hidden aspect||
scenic stream
A 20% dr buff won't do much if you have to be in danger everytike you attack
scenic stream
It's definitely the strongest ||hidden aspect||
LOL
long nebula
It hits like a truck, goes fast enough to be reliable, has a safe zone that slows down everything in it (including projectiles) and allows you to save hits between dashes
scenic stream
||Every other secret aspect can deal more, and without forcing you to hug Hades||
||Lucifer and Guan Yu in particular||
long nebula
||Guan Yu is literally the worst aspect when it comes to speed||
scenic stream
LOOOOL
long nebula
||Even Gilgamesh is safer than Guan Yu wtf||
||and that's an aspect that literally requires you to hug Hades||
scenic stream
||×2Hammer spin spam chunks Hades the second fastest of any weapon and literally allows you to FACETANK HIM||
And you're at borderline coronacht ranges
||That spin is insane with half the gods' boons||
long nebula
||unreliable life restore, way too low health, slow spin||
sour sky
||Guan Yu|| is awful
long nebula
but anyway, idk how you're playing this game man but ||Excalibur is so strong that only the small rats in Styx can really hurt you||
sour sky
The health decrease is way too heavy for the healing to be worth it late-game
scenic stream
||Life restore lets you eat Hades' burst, the low health is patched up with a few hearts and the spin is instant with a hammer. You can cancel its recovery with dash strike and constantly have 3 spins on the enemy at all times||
sour sky
Actually does upgrading it increase the healing rate?
scenic stream
||While literally oneshotting the poor guy lole||
||Phase 1 lasted like 40 seconds on 32H||
lyric wharf
@long nebula Hey yesterday you talked about getting Hermes room after key room, what was it about ?
scenic stream
Naw, decreases the health debuff
long nebula
<@318343880741355522> Hey yesterday you talked about getting Hermes room after k...
oh, you can ||buy a key upgrade from the house contractor that gives you a free reroll whenever you claim key chambers||
scenic stream
I already facetank everything with the slightest favorable rng so I'm not gonna complain
long nebula
meaning that you can get bonus dashes semi-often if you claim a key chamber before Hermes
lyric wharf
Reroll for Hermes boons then.
scenic stream
||Exc|| having no sustain, on the other hand 
better hope you have Athena on your side for these ||Hades spinneroos||
lyric wharf
But yeah I know about the keys but I didn't understand in that context as you seemed upset about it.
long nebula
||Exc|| allows you to facetank ||Hades|| a lot better than ||Guan Yu|| but okay-
then again
you can just
you know
dash
long nebula
I'd say an aspect that erases the need for dashing would be a bit too strong
half the work required to win with ||Exc|| is using your ||2nd and 3rd|| hit between dashes
and pressing Q when swarmed
scenic stream
||Max heat hades cares not for your dashes, just your bum 
||
||Then again guac yu only needs the dashes to keep spamming spins||
long nebula
In the end it all comes down to personal preference and playstyle
look at my ||heat|| difference between bow and rail, for example
gun bad
scenic stream
Does ||exc|| not have aspect-exclusive hammers
||Why do I get all the stygius sht||
scenic stream
Unlucky
worldly canyon
||Max heat hades cares not for your dashes, just your bum <:squirtdevious:472124...
|| You're in for it now, boy! ||
scenic stream
Does having higher heart levels with a god grant you rarer boons ?
long nebula
Don't think it does, no
scenic stream
Nice, I don't need to drown Ares in nectar then
Then again
Am I fully invulnerable to attacks if I stay within ||Zeus' Aegis' spinny special with Athena's deflect boon ?||
Had some issues with occasionally getting hit anyways when staying inside ||Guac yu's spin or Luci's bombs||
sullen holly
How do you cover up some parts of the text ?
ivory geode
if you touch the blitz disc you retrieve it, so no
scenic stream
Only when it starts coming back lol, it flies to its destination for 4 seconds and stays in place for 7
then you can pick it up by touching it
runic agate
@scenic stream simply you are wrong
It only attacks as fast as it attacks making you invulnerable only for the time that it is attacking and you can't pick it up when ever
scenic stream
?
I have no idea what you just said
You can press special again if you want to instantly get it back, if that's what you're asking
Why is Ares avoiding me now
runic agate
What the hell are you on about
scenic stream
?
runic agate
Yes
scenic stream
Am I fully invulnerable to attacks if I stay within ||Zeus' Aegis' spinny specia...
P sure ||Zeus' aspect's|| spin doesn't have any frames where it isn't attacking, and Athena's deflect lasts for a tiny bit longer than the attack itself, hence the question
runic agate
He seems to think that if you are in the range of the shield and if it has athena on it you cannot be hit
long nebula
zeus shield only deflects when it pulses
runic agate
P sure ||Zeus' aspect's|| spin doesn't have any frames where it *isn't* attackin...
No that's not true
runic agate
zeus shield only deflects when it pulses
Exactly this
long nebula
IE when its hitbox activates to attack
runic agate
IE when its hitbox activates to attack
That's what I already told him and he doesn't believe me
tacit ember
so basicaly ill defelct everyting that isn't super fast
long nebula
scenic stream
This is why discord needs an age limit
tacit ember
It only deflects when the hit box is out
yes and it comes out pretty frequently
scenic stream
My bad, a higher age limit
brazen lagoon
Yall need to chill
long nebula
If an attack can strike you in the window between the hits
then it won't be deflected
tacit ember
zeus shild pulses pretty quickly
runic agate
@scenic stream I don't understand your issue I gave you an answer to a question you asked then you disagreed
gritty roost
Yall need to *chill*
like 10 stacks of it?
acoustic plank
^with explosive blast
runic agate
zeus shild pulses pretty quickly
Most attacks have a start up then come out near instantly so most attacks can hit you though the sheild
scenic stream
If an attack can strike you in the window between the hits
Given its speed and Athena's lasting deflect effect after attacks, how sure are we that there are any frame windows between each tic ?
tacit ember
Most attacks have a start up then come out near instantly so most attacks can hi...
what does that have to do with how fast the special hits when its out
scenic stream
Feel free to send me clips instead of acting like a condescending weirdo
runic agate
Feel free to send me clips instead of acting like a condescending weirdo <:ron:4...
Yes, it does deflect alot but by no means is it a inf deflect which you don't seem to understand
runic agate
Exactly
long nebula
kinda
not a healthy feature
runic agate
And it's proven that it doesn't work like that
scenic stream
It's a roguelike brother, not League
tacit ember
fists?
acoustic plank
Deflect special on Zeus is just a waste of damage. You have a perfectly good opportunity to stack up a bunch of stuff. Zeus damage. Dio. Chill effects. Even crits. Why waste it on deflect? It's not even defensive tbh.
runic agate
It's a roguelike brother, not League
That doesn't matter things still need to be balenced
scenic stream
And it's proven that it doesn't work like that
Then send me links to clips of it so you can be on your way lmao
tacit ember
isnt athena attack on fists a "perma deflect"
scenic stream
Deflect special on Zeus is just a waste of damage. You have a perfectly good opp...
Original plan was to stack doom but I was wondering if Athena's deflect'd work against a certain boss' special attack 
long nebula
Wasn't this whole thing started with "I got hit through zeus aspect+athena special"
runic agate
Then send me links to clips of it so you can be on your way lmao
Imagine being so stubborn that you disagree with several people who clearly know more then you and obviously know more then you
acoustic plank
isnt athena attack on fists a "perma deflect"
Kind of
long nebula
tacit ember
runic agate
isnt athena attack on fists a "perma deflect"
But it doesn't make you invulnerable since you can be hit from every where that isn't the front
brazen lagoon
Athena fists will deflect basically everything that's deflectable
scenic stream
Wasn't this whole thing started with "I got hit through zeus aspect+athena speci...
I think it was started with me asking if you could get hit through it
runic agate
Athena fists will deflect basically everything that's deflectable
Not if you're hit from the side or behind
tacit ember
But it doesn't make you invulnerable since you can be hit from every where that ...
isnt that the same with zeus shlild
tacit ember
so u guys r saying like stand in the shild hit box
runic agate
Yes
tacit ember
ahha
scenic stream
Imagine being so stubborn that you disagree with several people who clearly know...
? You said, I quote, "it was proven"
Go ahead then, show me a clip of it so I can agree with you lole
It's not hard
runic agate
? You said, I quote, "it was proven"
Go ahead then, show me a clip of it so I ca...
Yes mhm I'm going to spend 30mins to prove someone wrong when all they have to do is play the game their self to figure out that it isn't always active
long nebula
Are you really going "SHOW ME THE PROOF SHOW ME THE PROOF" at "zeus special with deflect isn't 24/7 therefore can be penetrated"
acoustic plank
Original plan was to stack doom but I was wondering if Athena's deflect'd work a...
If you're talking about the (super spoiler) ||hades lasers|| then no. Not only would that not work, but even if it did, it would be hard to do it specifically in a way that leaving your shield there to do damage from behind a column wouldn't do more damage overall.
runic agate
You make no sense
tacit ember
bruh
runic agate
Finding an exact clip of that would take an annoying amount of time
long nebula
wavemakers have a fast projectile
greatshields have a fast projectile
||shipeus|| has two massive ||miniguns||
of course it can be penetrated
gfdhkgdf
runic agate
Does zeus sheild always have a hit box out?
tacit ember
scenic stream
Are you really going "SHOW ME THE PROOF SHOW ME THE PROOF" at "zeus special with...
What ? Naw, some dude just keeps claiming things and saying it was proven (while being a condescending weirdo for some reason). If it "was proven" I wouldn't mind seeing it, nothing more lole
runic agate
What ? Naw, some dude just keeps claiming things and saying it was proven (while...
Do it yourself
It's proven by the game itself
tacit ember
What ? Naw, some dude just keeps claiming things and saying it was proven (while...
didnt he do that once
unborn remnant
Yeah Zeus shield is a lingering hitbox
void vigil
hey, remember to keep the conversation civil
craggy barn
this can easily be settled by turning on ||forced overtime 2|| and just going to elysium and fighting longbows
long nebula
Zeus up in olympus above can some of you stop being pedantic for no reason in #h1-discussion oml
tacit ember
lmao
tacit ember
agreed
scenic stream
I'm on a ||Luci|| run rn lole
Let me get this clear, you rudely claimed stuff as truth without anything to back it up ? Where does all the agressivity come from
Breathe
It's all good
tacit ember
what is a ||luci||
scenic stream
what is a ||luci||
||Final Exagryph aspect, Lucifer||
unborn remnant
tf going on in here, what'd i miss
tacit ember
||Final Exagryph aspect, Lucifer||
ahha
scenic stream
||Laser of doom||
tacit ember
yes yes
craggy barn
||epic laser gun that lucifer definitely used||
tacit ember
if ur playing the game
runic agate
Stop being a a stubborn idiot who asked a question and several experienced played told you the answer to and then you disagreed with a thing you yourself can prove within the first room of hades
tacit ember
then how u on discord
unborn remnant
bruh
scenic stream
||I swear that gun's insane with any boon||
tacit ember
r u just alt tabing every 20 seconds
runic agate
That's what lots of people do
scenic stream
Alriiiight I think I'll just mute you bruh
tacit ember
That's what lots of people do
yes i also do that
brazen lagoon
I mean if you want proof that badly just test it out
scenic stream
Idk why you're being so rude
brazen lagoon
You're in the game aren't you
scenic stream
As ||Luci|| yeah
tacit ember
im i being rude?
scenic stream
Not you lole
brazen lagoon
If youre doubting him just test it out for yourself
tacit ember
k
acoustic plank
I tried to find a video and the dude finished the run before finding out the answer.
runic agate
@scenic stream perhaps you should have listened to the several people who said you were wrong and have just the game as proof
It's no hard
Not
tacit ember
i mean ill take a while sitting in Elysium
nothing really has fast projectiles and fires quickly
long nebula
aight Asterius appreciation time
I'll never forget Minos for locking the poor guy in a labyrinth 😔
tacit ember
maybe em theseus
scenic stream
Two randos claiming something but having nothing to back it up shouldn't be acting this insolent, but yes I'll certainly try it out once I'm done trouncing ||max heat Hades with my raygun||
brazen lagoon
Ok
tacit ember
ah yes max heat
void vigil
hey, be kind or dont have this discussion at all.
scenic stream
ah yes max heat
Pain incarnate
tacit ember
lmao
meager steppe
So much drama... what are we? Gods in Olympus?
brazen lagoon
If we were olympians we would be at war already
runic agate
Can we go to war with this guy? Please?
runic agate
Cuz I just blocked em
tacit ember
🗡️
craggy barn
||demeter|| build on fists 😩 👌
i also had a bunch of different boons because i had p. status and ended up applying like 4 different effects
scenic stream
Lucky you 😩 I'm still looking for Ares to forcefeed him nectar
loud lintel
do chaos boons count in boonless runs?
craggy barn
yeah
long nebula
boonless runs 
coral pilot
anything that doesnt show up on the 'main' list of skills
i typically buffed with Artie and Hermes for the boonless one
loud lintel
chaos boon didnt get buffed by eurydice though 👀
craggy barn
that includes stuff like diff. league, bronze skin, etc
still banned
even though you can't like sell it
if you decide to get it that's on you, but if you're going for leaderboard don't do it
craggy barn
depends
coral pilot
shield is strong, but i prefer fists and rail over them
craggy barn
shield is versatile but by no means overpowered
teal drum
Like with shield i just hold left click and spam the dash attack i literally never take damage
it trivializes the game
coral pilot
what ||heat ||are you at?
craggy barn
i think they haven't beaten the game yet
teal drum
i did beat it
coral pilot
ahh
teal drum
lemme see
craggy barn
if you don't know what ||heat|| is you definitely haven't beaten the final boss yet lol
craggy barn
is the exit at the courtyard pink?
coral pilot
there are a few|| heat settings|| that decrease it's power, specifically with the ability to kill stuff quicker to keep your time down, at some point you'll want more dps as a subsitute for blocking
teal drum
found it
scenic stream
What is the most op weapon?
Depends what you go for tbh. They're all kinda busted in some way
craggy barn
a large problem with the shield is that its dps sucks
at least that's the case with zag aspect
fresh crest
doom chaos shield ❤️
teal drum
Dps sucks ?
craggy barn
actually not really but the other weapons can definitely do more damage
teal drum
Is 1000 crit bad?
scenic stream
||Guac Yu|| annihilates everything but if you misplay you're the one getting annihilated
||Lucifer|| can be built in any way and is a safe long ranged nuke, so is Coronacht with Eris' aspect, etc
They're all capable of being disgusting
craggy barn
i highly doubt he knows about the hidden aspects yet
teal drum
yeah long range long range but the shield literally makes you immune to damage
craggy barn
best not to tell him about those
scenic stream
The shield with the 500% damage hammer is really strong too
teal drum
YES thats what ive been doing
scenic stream
Maybe a bit slower than other weapons but definitely safer
teal drum
and then i go crit on it
and it goes boom boom on their heads
you are literally immune to damage while doing it also
You can play the game only using the mouse with that build
craggy barn
with the bow you can take greatest reflex from hermes and easily dash around everything while shooting them from a distance
scenic stream
STILL NO ARES
DAMMIT
I just want to feed him nectar to get his keepsake
Only one I haven't gotten yet
craggy barn
with the fists you can get divine strike and constantly pummel enemies while dealing high damage and immediately reflecting their attacks back at them if possible
teal drum
Tell me 1 thing is there any other weapon / build that straight up makes you 100% of the time immune to all damage
shield is maybe not 100% its like 85% but still
scenic stream
Damage from the sides or back will still hit you
teal drum
yeah but just change your mouse direction
craggy barn
wait till he finds about ||tight deadline||
scenic stream
But given that Athena exists and that your dash makes you invuln and that half the weapons are ranged nukes, I mean
Being an extremely safe weapon isn't as impressive as it could be
craggy barn
with the rail you can quite literally nuke your enemies
scenic stream
Hehe
teal drum
ok ok how abou this. its the easiest weapon and most safe that anyone can finish the game with, BUT is not the highest dps
How about that?
scenic stream
I love that ||Luci|| nukes can deflect anything with Athena
Even when they're not pulsing damage
teal drum
ok cool
balmy valley
I wish could have a keepsake for deadalous
lime cedar
What are the large Ambrosia's used for besides trading for Titan's blood?
unique fern
large ambrosia?
craggy barn
i think he means just ambrosia
unkempt sleet
When you max out characters they'll start needing ambrosia
craggy barn
What are the large Ambrosia's used for besides trading for Titan's blood?
after giving someone enough nectar, you eventually come to a point where the next heart is locked and you need to do something for them to unlock that heart, and then you'll be able to give them ambrosia
lime cedar
Ok thanks I've been saving them I didn't want to use them up making Titan's blood
lost remnant
The game gives you so much ambrosia tho it’s ridiculous
unkempt sleet
Yeah you're overstocked at the beginning
lost remnant
especially when you complete those two specific prophecies
craggy barn
definitely don't just trade it all for titan blood
you're gonna need a lot of it later
lost remnant
definitely don't just trade it all for titan blood
yeah but you shouldn’t be too afraid of trading at least a few
unkempt sleet
You should save 15-20 for eventual upgrades that need it but it takes a while
slow quarry
whats the best cast in the game?
craggy barn
trading some of it is fine, just don't trade away more than you need to
craggy barn
whats the best cast in the game?
each one is good (except for base cast lol that sucks for obvious reasons) it just depends on your build
most people vibe with trippy shot
slow quarry
with beowulf
craggy barn
oh
lost remnant
trippy shot i just find too slow imo
my fav shot is probably true shot just cause of its versatility
crude musk
if you get ice wine, trippy shot becomes an instant cast
craggy barn
using trippy shot effectively is a matter of timing and aim
ice wine + scintillating feast 😩 👌
crude musk
i like zeus, artemis, poseidon casts
unkempt sleet
With shield 4 you'll probably want tidal flare or deadly flare
lost remnant
if you get ice wine, trippy shot becomes an instant cast
Yeah I love ice wine but just base trippy flare i find meh
shot*
craggy barn
true shot is nice because you basically don't need to aim and works well if you're not doing a cast build because you can easily apply boiling blood
lost remnant
spammable too which is why i love it 
crude musk
i love anything i can go full artemis + flurry cast on
exit wounds with five/six bloodstones? 😩👌
coral pilot
i always have terrible RRNG when trying to get an exit wounds build
unborn remnant
a question for the hades council
ok i actually forgot my question
OH RIGHT
what is the purpose of ambrosia, because I have like 35 of it i've been holding on to
dull niche
basically same as nectar, gift it to people, but you have to have a high enough relationship with them before you can start to give them ambrosia
balmy valley
Guys, best booms for zagreus bow?
craggy barn
deadly strike + heartbreak flourish + heart rend
balmy valley
thanks 🙂
unborn remnant
@dull niche do you think 30+ is too much?
dull niche
it doesn’t really matter, you can always get enough. I traded mine in for some Titans blood personally
unborn remnant
aight
unkempt sleet
Keep 20 or so and you'll do fine
misty harbor
are there any repercussions in romancing ||Duza ||if you've already romanced everyone else? I mean, any negative outcomes
prisma wind
No
misty harbor
I kinda don't wanna do it just story-wise but I want to for ||Aphrodite ||lol
alright, thanks
rancid vapor
How do the boon and the pact of punishment interact?
||https://i.imgur.com/yD1CixN.png||
tacit ember
rancid vapor
fountain healed me for 51
tacit ember
how much is healing redused
novel wasp
they already deducted it
tacit ember
i would asume
novel wasp
i assume when you pick up the said boon it will give you like a slash mark
scenic stream
Aspect of Talos is so fun
tacit ember
its just healing x reduction x increas
rustic plume
huh
rancid vapor
its just healing x reduction x increas
so multiplicative then?
rustic plume
just saw zag swear for the first time
tacit ember
so multiplicative then?
probobly
tacit ember
just saw zag swear for the first time
wut
loud lintel
Giant gorgon head w/ ||MM|| is so annoying as shield
rustic plume
Just started a run, killed the first enemies out in Tartarus and once they died zag said, through gritted teeth, ||Piss off||
Wild
unborn remnant
Aphrodite's greater call is so damn funny
with privileged status
health bars just evaporate
novel wasp
Aphro Stand
versed bluff
having trouble deciding which is better to use (i'm not a noob but haven't been Hades 10 times, so i have unlocks and stuff), is it better to get the mirror aspect that gives you +3 health every chamber, or the one that gives you health based on Darkness that you pick up?
scenic stream
Darkness for sure imo
Bit of health every chamber is rarely useful when you'll often alternate between full hp and midlife
Whereas darkness will heal you after bosses you've already done as well as certain rooms. It'll also turn the darkness challenge chests into healing stations
tacit ember
depends
darkness overall gives more health
but the +3 healther one is pretty good in styx
because all the "mini encounters" also give +3 health
and u can't get darkness in styx
scenic stream
Ah, good point
tacit ember
by the way did u figure out the whole zeus shild thing
wicked folio
Got to the credits in 29 runs
tacit ember
lmao
copper canopy
||Does the -100% healing condition completely remove the ability to heal? Does it affect the Frost Fair Blade, Cursed Blade, or the healing uppercut?||
copper canopy
So that means ||Frost Fair Blade’s healing|| does nothing, but the other two hammer upgrades still work?
unkempt sleet
I think spear 4 still works, but I'm not sure. I know hammer upgrades still work
fleet narwhal
||guan yu healing isnt affected by lc||
copper canopy
||guan yu healing isnt affected by lc||
Ah okay, thanks
copper canopy
I think spear 4 still works, but I'm not sure. I know hammer upgrades still work
This helps to know as well, thanks.
copper canopy
It took me waaaaaay longer than it should’ve to get certain legend/duo buffs, even when I dedicated entire runs to trying to get them.
I sympathize.
scenic stream
I just want to give him nectar
Just need to see him ONCE
Before I have all keepsakes
craggy barn
for some reason out of all the gods i struggled with giving hermes ambrosia the most
not because his favor is hard (whatever it was)
no i just have a habit of immediately pressing e at the end of an encounter
copper canopy
That makes sense, there’s no keepsake for summoning him.
craggy barn
i blame ||tight deadline|| for this
graceful flicker
Why the toga didn't catch on as zoom meeting attire during the lockdown I'll never know
scenic stream
Good luck finding one that isn't trash
copper canopy
Although other god keepsakes seem to have a decent chance of spawning hermes first in my experience.
scenic stream
Even in Paris you can't find any of the damn things
I wanted one for housewear when I was in college
Never found any
craggy barn
now i just have to give ||demeter|| the ambrosia and i'll have maxed out affinity with everyone
the main challenge is getting myself not to compulsively take her boon instead of giving her the ambrosia
graceful flicker
Although other god keepsakes seem to have a decent chance of spawning hermes fir...
Heyyyy I've noticed that too. Hermes showing up as exit opposite my keepsake god
Is that really a thiing?
copper canopy
Still working on ||unlocking everyone’s seventh heart||, have everyone at 6
craggy barn
Is that really a thiing?
sometimes hermes mentions the god you're forcing and that they're running late
graceful flicker
Like literally the first exit that offers a boon follows a keepsake but also offers hermes
lol that's sweet
copper canopy
Is that really a thiing?
I think so, since the first time it happens per god, he usually quips about getting there first.
craggy barn
hermes doesn't really fall into the normal god pool anyways
graceful flicker
Even in Paris you can't find any of the damn things
Hades vinyl should've come wrapped in a premium cotton toga
scenic stream
I WANT ARES RBIWHFIBQDHIQHQS
graceful flicker
Let alone be sold in the sstore
snow quail
||figuring out how to cover a message||
copper canopy
Still have 4 people left to ||unlock the hearts|| for before I level up everyone’s affection more.
No idea how to do that but I’m hoping continuing the play the game does it, since that worked for everyone else.
(I do want to try and figure it out myself though)
snow quail
Hello everyone I have a question in relation to my hades game. || I went into dad's bedroom and paid for a thing that cost like 1000 purple gems and 10 keys, can someone please tell me what I got for paying that?||
copper canopy
Hello everyone I have a question in relation to my hades game. || I went into da...
||IIRC the game makes it clear that it does absolutely nothing at all(you do get a little icon next to your health bar though). I’m pretty sure it’s for people who have bought everything and have resources piling up with nothing to use them on.||
snow quail
Thank you ❤️
copper canopy
You’re welcome~
summer forge
Does anyone know the actual odds for the satyr sack to be in a door? I assume it's weighted to be in a non mini boss room?
craggy barn
first of all
copper canopy
Does anyone know the actual odds for the satyr sack to be in a door? I assume it...
It can spawn in mini boss rooms
craggy barn
the first tunnel never leads to a sack
scenic stream
uh
copper canopy
Yeah and that
summer forge
Definitely not true, I've got 200+ runs and definitely know I've found it in the first door
craggy barn
maybe you got it on the second tunnel really fast
summer forge
I wasn't saying it can't be in mini boss rooms, onlt that it's weighted. So it could be 20%, etc
copper canopy
I was watching that one video where the devs react to a speedrun of the game, and I’m pretty sure they mentioned the earliest it can be found is the second tunnel.
summer forge
It could easily be on a curve as well, like 2% first door, 20% second, etc.
Was wondering if anyone has the actual numbers
craggy barn
copper canopy
Also, over a hundred runs, and it wasn’t until watching that video I learned about the friendly shade in elysium’s coliseum.
craggy barn
if getting one sacks was possible i'm sure people would actually be talking about it to some extent
copper canopy
Somehow I never noticed.
manic bobcat
Does anyone know the actual odds for the satyr sack to be in a door? I assume it...
It's the same for every room. The calculation is here.
Courtesy of Ello
And yeah, you can't get 1st sack. If you get it, it's likely memory playing trick on you, or a bug.
jagged trellis
Should I do hell mode? there’s an exclusive pact that prevents you from being invulnerable after taking damage not sure if that’s makes the gameplay better and I’ll be missing out
manic bobcat
Depends on who you ask
I say the shield is worthless
So that heat doesn't change anything
It maybe save me one in 15 runs if that.
twin moat
Hello!
manic bobcat
If that odds is important to you, go Hell Mode, otherwise, Normal Mode and you won't miss out on most anything tbh.
ornate bear
Huh, that math says the earliest room to have the sack is room 4 but I'm pretty sure I got it in the third room of a wing once
loud lintel
you can get sack as early as 2nd room i believe
ornate bear
Room not wing
manic bobcat
I'm some 500 runs deep and I never get the sack in 3rd room in a tunnel tbh.
tacit ember
what is a shield proc
manic bobcat
Mercy Invulnerability
tacit ember
is it a athena thing?
craggy barn
||personal liability|| is basically free ||heat|| anyways lol
manic bobcat
When you take multiple heavy damage, yoy get a shield to stop you from being insta gib.
It's be default
tacit ember
ahha yes
fleet narwhal
no, if you take dmg in a short period of time you are invulnerable for a short time
craggy barn
how often do you actually need the invincibility from taking too much damage? might as well use the spearpoint
manic bobcat
See, it almost never works that people don't even really they have it
tacit ember
how much damage is the munimum for it to happen
manic bobcat
PI shield? What shield
fleet narwhal
||only practical use is hades lasers if you cant dodge in time||
||because those still home in on you||
twin moat
I'm pretty sure I'm late, but, I remember the devs reacting to a speedrun and they mentioned that he got the satyr as fast as possible, when he got it on the second door
scenic stream
While clunky
manic bobcat
how much damage is the munimum for it to happen
At least 100 from my experience on 300 HP. I don't have the hard cold number. Likely a scaling number though.
tacit ember
k
fleet narwhal
probably a percentage in health
fleet narwhal
25/100 seems to trigger it
craggy barn
taking 1/3 of your health for it to trigger isn't enough
manic bobcat
I'm pretty sure I'm late, but, I remember the devs reacting to a speedrun and th...
Theacrasis meant the third tiny room in a tunnel, not third tunnel specifically.
Like the tiny mini room
twin moat
Definitely not true, I've got 200+ runs and definitely know I've found it in the...
I said it because of this
manic bobcat
||Excalibur|| dealing over 3k damage per crit
Oh then that's even later than I thought
Alrighty
craggy barn
does pp also affect calls?
twin moat
||https://imgur.com/a/u9qzRch|| <:squirtdevious:472124054569222144>
Oof
Now that's a lot of damage
manic bobcat
Bruh, just force him lol
fleet narwhal
use blood vial
scenic stream
jUsT fOrCe hIm
IM TRYING TO GIVE HIM THE DAMN NECTAR
HES THE LAST ONE
I HAVENT HAD A KEEPSAKE FROM
crude musk
how did you get to this point without giving all the olympians a nectar.........
manic bobcat
Lol
loud lintel
^
loud lintel
then isnt this kinda your fault then
scenic stream
then isnt this kinda your fault then
Am I blaming anybody 🥴
loud lintel
never said you were 🥴
twin moat
Didn't think him deserving of the cool kid juice
Wow
twin moat
Now he doesn't think you deserve his presence
loud lintel
I said? 👀
crude musk
k a r m a
scenic stream
I'm going to beat him to death
craggy barn
if you wanna give ares the nectar so you can get his keepsake so bad why don't you just force him smh
manic bobcat
Not with you, that's for sure
ornate bear
He saw you never gave him favor, so now he's abandoning you
twin moat
You remind me of myself looking for Eurydice to see ||orpheus||
manic bobcat
You are Doomed
haha get it
twin moat
Look for stores
scenic stream
Not my fault he looks like a dbag
twin moat
Or something
scenic stream
twin moat
You are Doomed
~~haha get it~~
Lmao
loud lintel
you could say that there's a rift between you two
twin moat
scenic stream
YOUR DOGASS PUNS MUSTVE BROUGHT HIM TO ME
ornate bear
Loool
manic bobcat
Yeah
silent tree
zeus on spec
I don't think that's as good as you would like it to be, unfortunately.
you only get one bolt per target, if I was reading the damage icons correctly
silent tree
special attack, Artemis best girl
exotic idol
does anyone know
what is the average amount of deaths before you beat the game for the first time ?
orchid plank
Anecdotally I died 26 times
exotic idol
nice
winter harbor
43 deaths for me
undone burrow
Woah
spiral dune
i had a question about boons
outside of the attack, special, dash, cast and call
if pact of punishment is active, do god boons give you different effects?
loud lintel
There are different boons that give effects outside of the abilities you mentioned
spiral dune
yes i know
loud lintel
But pact doesnt affect boons offered
loud lintel
Except for 1 stipulation
spiral dune
?
loud lintel
||approval process i think||
spiral dune
why is that the outlier?
loud lintel
||because It reduces boons offered -1 per level||
spiral dune
but that doesnt affect that actual boons effect tho?
spiral dune
oh ok, thank you
oh wait one more question
outside of the main slots, the abilities outside of those core 5, how many do each god have?
3?
manic bobcat
I think it varies between gods
And they have a lot more than 3 non core boons
(Don't forget Legendaries and Duo Boons)
spiral dune
oh right
manic bobcat
Even among non core non Legend/Duo it's like 4 or 5 I think, at least.
ornate bear
Some have 2 legendaries
novel shadow
Are we....are we getting a "holidays in the house of hades" update? 👀
loud lintel
I think its just poseidon?
spiral dune
is there a list of all boons somewhere? i cant find it
loud lintel
You can check the wiki
Or the codex if youve purchased the boon list from the contractor
manic bobcat
Yeah wiki
There is an in game one but I'm not sure how far you are into the game.
silent tree
I think its just poseidon?
also Hermes, technically
depending on what abilities you have active
loud lintel
ah right forgot about him
silent tree
what is the average amount of deaths before you beat the game for the first time...
run 56 before I beat the champions for the first time, and I one-shotted zone 4. I think it was around run 90 before I managed to clear zone 4 a second time
guess I'm a slow learner
manic bobcat
People play with different pace and different playstyle tbh
scenic stream
Chat updated
manic bobcat
If someone tell me they clear on 4th try and all they do is turtle in a corner with shield for 2 hours
I'm not impressed tbh
Now if you clear on 100th tries but with 20min clear time first run, that's impressive, still
silent tree
I blame asphodel, personally. that place is harder than elysium I swear
manic bobcat
Comparing attempt is a bad way to gauge anything tbh
ornate bear
I don't like Asphodel for all the enemies that jump all over the place, like wavemakers who can jump offscreen and still shoot at you when you can't even see them
smoky berry
i struggled in asphodel in the beginning omg its so unfair
exotic idol
Comparing attempt is a bad way to gauge anything tbh
I agree, but once I beated ||hades|| I was curios how others did there run
scenic stream
I HATE how the satyrs' spit is as heat-seeking as Theseus' dumbass spear chucking
smoky berry
dude styx is so stressful and for what??? im playing in Styx rn with hera bow and im crying
scenic stream
Right ??
smoky berry
not really crying but you get what I mean
scenic stream
So annoying
exotic idol
dude styx is so stressful and for what??? im playing in Styx rn with hera bow an...
hahaha
smoky berry
💔 don’t laugh at my pain
silent tree
getting your cast gems back in lavaland is the worst
silent tree
dude styx is so stressful and for what??? im playing in Styx rn with hera bow an...
bow
found the problem 😉
smoky berry
for real!!
worldly canyon
> bow
found the problem 😉
The solution is Hera's bow
smoky berry
look ive done it before I can do it again
exotic idol
it was more a friendly, agree, laugh :c
manic bobcat
💔 don’t laugh at my pain
smoky berry
it was more a friendly, agree, laugh :c
oh I wasn’t upset lol i was messing
exotic idol
w<
smoky berry
ive already had a successful run with hera bow and ill do it again 👹
ornate bear
Multiple armored rats in a small room is really annoying
manic bobcat
Which cast do you have?
smoky berry
i have gotten to the surface with ||guan yu||
I have Artemis cast
I have a lo of artemis and dionysus boons
exotic idol
honestly since I got a taste of the 4+ dash boon, im addicted. I cannot stress enough how broken that is
exotic idol
haha
manic bobcat
Yeah +dash is good, really good
scenic stream
I also really hate how anyone after Elysium, ||Hades included||, just loves to be an illiterate bastard and ignore your giant DEFLECTED prompts
ornate bear
Imagine heroic greatest reflexes (+4 dashes) with greater reflexes and ||Gilgamesh||
10 dashes
scenic stream
I DEFLECTED THAT SWIPE ATTACK WHY DID I EAT 50 DAMAGE
smoky berry
haha you got pimpslapped
manic bobcat
Git gud
silent tree
my only real problem with styx is the poison. I have trouble noticing when it happens, then getting over to a fountain and getting the button prompt in time
smoky berry
dude I just mash the button when I get poisoned
loud lintel
yeah it'd be great if the cure was automatic within a certain radius of the fountain
manic bobcat
Just equip Spearpoint and call it a day
ornate bear
One thing I learned that helps is that divine dash can reflect satyr darts back at them and poison them instead
manic bobcat
It isn't half bad into the final boss either.
silent tree
does holy shield effective against poison?
exotic idol
dude I just mash the button when I get poisoned
yes lol I go panic mode and smash my space bar till I get there
manic bobcat
Yeah
smoky berry
im gonna cry I just got trapped in the bothers trap twice and I have the pact of punishment that makes you take 400% more damage 😀
manic bobcat
Nice
smoky berry
no I just wasted a stubborn defiance
loud lintel
heightened security is not worth the 1 heat imo
silent tree
is stubborn defiance that much better than death defiance? I never get good results from it
I'm safe in 90% of rooms, bosses are where I die a lot
ornate bear
SD is better for ||high heat|| where rooms are much harder
silent tree
ah, guess so
graceful flicker
LC4?
manic bobcat
Lasting Consequences, you can't heal
graceful flicker
If you find yourself having to buy DD's it's a sign that SD might have a place
Ah dang
But most of the time yeah I'd rather have even 2 DD's vs the final boss than SDs in between
smoky berry
stubborn defiance is better to me than death defiance bc you don’t have to recharge it, it goes for every room plus touch of Styx lasts longer and heals more
also whats rlly good is having stubborn roots with stubborn defiance
hasty lichen
:0
smoky berry
get stubborn roots it is one of the best boons in the game
silent tree
stubborn defiance also works as a kind of funny afterparty in asphodel
manic bobcat
Ikr
silent tree
stand on the lava and get a free 30%
smoky berry
i did it i beat ||hades with the hera bow||
smoky berry
I posted it in the victories channel
unborn remnant
Good choices
pastel blaze
So I noticed a couple times that Eurydice likes to call Zagreus "your Royal Majesty", only that's the style that you would use when addressing a king, right? Princes are typically "Royal Highness." Is she saying Z ought to be the king?
smoky berry
pretty sure shes just being extra lol
upper mesa
Eurydice is very extra
fierce radish
The 'Hold the Onions' achievement is not unlocking for me on Epic. Anyone got the same problem?
loud lintel
is it still possible to be offered a replacement boon if the boon you have is at heroic?
fierce radish
Yes, it is @loud lintel
digital python
was wondering why i was doing so much worse in the the game than usual despite having a v powerful & ideal set of boons until i realized like the idiot i am i accidentally turned off god mode 🤦♀️
loud lintel
demeter has got to me the most annoying theseus companion
rotund nacelle
What do I do with keys after I unlock all the weapons and stuff in the mirror?
autumn blaze
Holy hell I just ||beat 32 heat|| I’m so relieved
You can use them in the shop in the lounge
rotund nacelle
so they are kinda useless
smoky berry
theyre good for buying nectar afterwards
rotund nacelle
I guess it's better than having nothing to spend them on
fresh karma
Kind of, yeah. Everything seems to have a bit of use until they've all been used up for their purpose.
meager steppe
You can use them to respec the mirror
Or trade them for nectar which you will eventually be trading for diamonds which you will enetually be trading for Titans blood.
But don’t completely dissolve your stockpile because some times there are limited time offers that use the lower tier resources
upper mesa
There’s also occasionally cosmetics that use keys
Not many, but high priced enough I’m saving them myself
loud lintel
does ||LC|| affect Dark Regenration?
dreamy briar
@loud lintel Yes
loud lintel
How should be playing hidden bow aspect
Ive heard some people say special spam with zeus
Others say you can get big crits with attack?
kindred fjord
You can have both gameplay style. Zeus special is useful to clean great number of small foes in Tartarus, and using your attack for big damage on big foes/boss
meager steppe
Generally speaking, yes. There are tons of options that will work when applied the correct way.
thorny island
coral pilot
does anyone have a list of boons tht effect casts?
stark onyx
side hustle being a boon that gives you charon's obols...when all of hermes's boons revolve around speed....hm.
they r Gay
pearl saddle
Sorry, I keep asking the same thiing, what do you get for giving Charon ambrosia
main verge
btw what is god mode?
kind skiff
zenith crown
Is there any interaction between Delta Chamber and Aspect of Hestia?
flat vapor
delta chamber doesn't affect the empowered shot, only the regular ones
iirc only piercing, explosive, and ricochet fire actually apply to the empowered shot
zenith crown
How do you get an empowerd shot though if you're not reloading?
flat vapor
you can manually reload even if you're at full ammo
manic bobcat
^
pearl saddle
Please I need an answer, should I give Charon ambrosia
orchid plank
@main verge gives you 2% damage resistance every time you die
flat vapor
if you want to be close friends with charon, yes
flat vapor
most relationships in the game don't ||give companions||
pearl saddle
Yeah but it's ambrosia!
zenith crown
You can reload while you have Delta chamber? Today I learned. So is the first shot of the 3-round burst empowered?
flat vapor
nah, the empowered shot acts as if you don't have delta chamber
delta chamber only works on the regular bullets
basically: delta chamber doesn't do anything for hestia
zenith crown
You also don't lose out on it too though.
Thanks.
manic bobcat
Yeah but it's ambrosia!
just because you give someone Ambrosia doesn't mean they own you anything 😤
opaque nexus
ok so idk if you guys saw the speedrun relay race
but it was maybe the most insane hades run of all time
pearl saddle
Chain shot or perfect shot for ||rama||
coral pilot
btw what is god mode?
god mode decreases enemy damage by like 20%, every time you lose, it decreases it more, every time you win, it increases it (back to a max of 0)
meager steppe
Does it actually increase if you escape? I’m still on the fence with it.
Got four successful escapes without it and I’m at ||heat 2||. Still don’t know if I want it on or not.
rough token
Because that's what some people want
rough token
A super difficult game isn't for everyone
Or maybe someone just wants to take it easy
native hinge
full pier
Hey this has been happening in the binding of isaac discord too
meager steppe
silk zinc
in the smallant discord too
brisk trail
announcement not being a switch physical release - why even post
brazen delta
Is it just me or does ||Persephone's trinket|| (main quest spoilers) seem kinda OP?
meager steppe
What announcement
brazen delta
woeful wigeon
what do i do after i kill ||hades|| for the 10th time
red tiger
and now I'm going back on what I literally just informed others to do lol
red tiger
what do i do after i kill ||hades|| for the 10th time
There is still a lot of story
That's not at all the end of the game
woeful wigeon
story is boring compared to fighting
deep radish
yeah
shadow steeple
hades video game
red tiger
@woeful wigeon try to unlock skelly's presents if you really need a goal
strong ridge
then why do you even care about what to do next
brazen delta
@woeful wigeon use the heat system
fresh crest
what do i do after i kill ||hades|| for the 10th time
||add heat to your run and see how hot you can go||
tepid plover
Lovely so not only the isaac server is getting raided
red tiger
@strong ridge right lol
woeful wigeon
bruh
red tiger
@woeful wigeon The stories do give goals of what to do though
deep radish
yeah unless you’re not into story, completionism, or testing difficulties idk what else you’re searching for
red tiger
but until then you can also just try to get stuff on the table I forget the name of
shadow steeple
hades discussion
red tiger
the table with the goals that give you gems its escaping my mind
fresh crest
yeah, I think fighting ||hades on EM4 is a good next challenge to try 🤔||
strong ridge
fated prohp
deep radish
there’s also the fates to do, yes
red tiger
fated prophecies right right
meager steppe
I missed the phishing accounts apparently. But probably not the proper channel to discuss end game content either without loads of spoiler tags.
strong ridge
ok mod
rough token
End game stuff should absolutely be in #h1-story-discussion
Or #h1-high-heat-strategies in some cases
What's been mentioned here so far seems okay though, at a glance
meager steppe
Wrong your
fallen moat
too bad
meager steppe
But cool. Congrats
fallen moat
the rules of grammar do not limit me
brazen delta
@rough token I see you have daily challenge in your roles, what exactly is that?
fallen moat
the only thing that limits me are restraining orders
rough token
<@!132661721922797569> I see you have daily challenge in your roles, what exactl...
Check the pins in #h1-builds-and-combat ^.^
It's not daily anymore though lol
digital python
which relationships in the game ||give companions|| i just got megara's & was super surprised i didnt even knw that was a thing lol
rough token
Should say monthly, actually
scenic stream
which relationships in the game ||give companions|| i just got megara's & was su...
||Skelly, Hades, Meg, uhhh... ?||
rough token
which relationships in the game ||give companions|| i just got megara's & was su...
|| Sisyphus, Dusa, Skelly, Patty/Achilles, Than, and Meg ||
scenic stream
I only got ||Skelly so idk||
rough token
whoops sorry
warped iron
hmm
fallen moat
also has anyone here played post-void?
digital python
|| Sisyphus, Dusa, Skelly, Patty/Achilles, Than, and Meg ||
||patty????||
scenic stream
||Patroclus||
rough token
|| Patroclus ||
warped iron
did we ever hear back from gavin or are they still partying on vacation or something
meager steppe
The forgetful one
digital python
|| Patroclus ||
||what do u get the companion when u reunite them or something||
rough token
did we ever hear back from gavin or are they still partying on vacation or somet...
Anything in particular? The devs are definitely back to work
warped iron
uh