h1-discussion

[old bluff]

It’s not like that terrible on many aspects, but it’s usually no greater reflex

[fervent radish]

Idk man as someone with 0 37 heat runs under my belt I will literally always pick Ruthless Reflex over pretty much anything. Unless the build really requires a specific mirror talent to create a broken interaction, Ruthless Reflex is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best mirror talent in the game.

[twilit lodge]

Extremely big if true

[fervent radish]

i use RR and athena call on a regular basis. i'm your worst nightmare

[manic galleon]

does anyone else exclusively use dark thirst? Like from the very beginning to post epilogue heat runs

[fervent radish]

very few I imagine

[manic galleon]

The darkness guides me , plus it helps getting good with all weapons

[fervent radish]

Most people, if they keep playing long after the main story/beginner phase, are playing because they enjoy something enough to want to play/practice it really consistently, which doesn't translate well to switching around every run

enough to want to play/practice it really consistently
this also entails a high volume of resetting sometimes

[manic galleon]

True enough. I am hitting a wall with a couple weapons when it comes to adding heat

[fervent radish]

yeah that's fair. if you like everything, might as well play everything for as long as it's enjoyable

[fervent radish]

rough, you want tips?

[stone rune]

if you use dark thirst that means you will have to use like fists

[fervent radish]

fists lowkey fun, bow is pure torture though

[manic galleon]

Yea i agree. Fists are my best weapon and bow is my worst. I Skipped a few heats to get skelly's 2nd prize for the achievement and for that i used fists

[fervent radish]

if it makes you feel better, fists are one of the weakest weapons for pushing heat, so other weapons should be more straightforward

[twilit lodge]

Fists are really comfy

[vague viper]

uh what about like, not timesaves, but, anything that would make the game easier, but if you want to add in speeder spice you could probably mention like “[safe advice], but x can be faster”

[vague viper]

me! me! me!

unless I really want to play a specific weapon and darkness isn’t playing ball

[twilit lodge]

I follow thirst to keep things varied

But it’s really streaky sometimes

[vague viper]

I usually always listen to dark thirst but I wanted to play fists

[twilit lodge]

On my latest save my fists are almost out of bounties

And my rail is on like… 6 heat

Just from following thirst

[vague viper]

I wish it was more consistently varied. like it goes through all 6 in a random order, rather than being fully random

[twilit lodge]

Same

[manic galleon]

Yea i hate when it bounces back and forth between the same 2 weapons. Sometimes you don't get certain weapons for like 10+runs

[old bluff]

I’ve heard of a lot of new players doing the dark thirst thing

[twilit lodge]

It’s an easy habit to pick up early when the mirror is (or at least feels like) it’s the main thing holding you back from your first clear

Once you start pushing heat for bounties the actual benefits of thirst become nearly negligible though

Aside from boosted vanquisher’s keep gemstones which help with nectar once you’re at the “time to max everyone’s hearts” stage and themes

[tepid light]

i picked up the 'rotate between weapons in a set pattern' habit quite early on so i never really paid much attention to dark thirst

i can understand why the bonus is appealing but i don't feel like it makes a huge amount of difference in terms of how long it takes you to fill up the mirror

[twilit lodge]

It really doesn’t, even early on when you’re seeing more darkness doors

But more is more

And it glows!

[stiff obsidian]

fists are cool until you play rail since its just straight up superior to fists

[fervent radish]

fists are still cool after you play rail

[stiff obsidian]

how

its just smaller range slower attack rail

[fervent radish]

dupper

dash strikes are fun

[stiff obsidian]

never use those

[fervent radish]

idk i just like running fists. probably my second fav speed weapon after hesty

[stiff obsidian]

i like anything that i can just hold m1 on

and i still dislike fists

[twilit lodge]

Holding m1 on fists kinda doesn’t work for me

The standing combo isn’t good to be locked into

[stiff obsidian]

you tap m1 for every attack?

[twilit lodge]

I’m on controller so I just press dash and attack together

If my dash is on cooldown, I do standing strikes until it’s not

[fervent radish]

you probably dislike fists because you're holding m1

[stiff obsidian]

yes

holding m1 = mouse 1

[fervent radish]

playing optimal ME and using the whole kit is pretty fun

[old bluff]

Fists second best weapon for me ngl 😌

[stiff obsidian]

just play me with eris

straight up better

[fervent radish]

it feels so clunky ngl

fists much smoother

[twilit lodge]

I understand, but I don’t hold m1

I tap attack+dash

[stiff obsidian]

every single attack?

[twilit lodge]

Yes

Standing strikes blow

[fervent radish]

agreed ngl

[twilit lodge]

For flurry jab or delta chamber I remap attack to L1 so I can hold it and press dash separately

[fervent radish]

only with ME though

[twilit lodge]

But any other weapon I don’t do that

I’ve tried that method on fists before and it got me hit a lot more than the other way

[vague viper]

say, what does heightened security affect that is of note

[stone rune]

lava

dad pots

styx poison

styx blades

[vague viper]

dad pots makes sense

I probably could’ve won if I didn’t have that as my only heat

[stone rune]

yeah

[vague viper]

does it affect dual boom rooms? like when the god is attacking you, telegraphed zones of attack, it feels like those do a bit much damage, that they might be buffed

[stone rune]

no idea i never take those in my life

trials suck

[vague viper]

they’re fire bro

[stone rune]

insane mega timeloss

[vague viper]

that makes sense

[twilit lodge]

Even outside of hardcore speedrun context they’re rather weak rooms sadly

They can’t give Duos

On occasion if you still need a boon from both of the two gods they’re not terrible to take

And early early on they’re useful when you’re still working on the prophecies to pick up every boon

[candid storm]

Before I beat Hades for the first time the bow was my go to, I've read it's the best but I'll be darned if I can make it work. Railgun and Fists are my strongest

[stone rune]

dont know where you'd read that

[twilit lodge]

Bow is definitely rough early on

[fervent radish]

makes sense if athena is a god AND you need something from both gods

[vague viper]

makes sense the speedrunner would never even consider something if it’s a time loss

[fervent radish]

idk trials do suck generally

[stiff obsidian]

i always take zeus trials

if i dont have jolt

common to see late tart zeus trial if u start zeus

just dont pick up a 3rd god so the trial will have zeus for sure

[fervent radish]

ok yeah zeus trial is probably worth regardless of the second god

since jolted would mega speed up the run

[latent moon]

Ares and Athena trials are good to take if you're building for ME

Grab impending and the other core you're missing if you can

[hoary pebble]

I got the Dialogue from Artemis prior to the awakening dialogue for the bow

I’m surprised I got it first try

I’ll get the hidden aspect later

That’ll be the final aspect I’m missing

[twilit lodge]

This is the normal progression of unlocking

Weapon-specific dialogue trigger has to happen first, then the awakening dialogue requires two things

Already received and used awakening phrase from Achilles for the spear, and 5 blood invested in the weapon to awake

[silent chasm]

I don't know if this is the right place or channel to post this, since it's fan made content for Hades 1, but; if you purchased this plush from the artist known as SirenCircus like I did in early 2023, you are likely never getting this Hypnos plush.

https://www.instagram.com/sirencircus/p/CrqsAKQr6jV/

The pre-order for it ended more than 180 days ago as well, so you will not be able to get a forced refund from Paypal, as this was a purchase on their (now closed) BigCartel shop and not Kickstarter. (I tried.) This plush was 67 dollars.

They've been ghosting and blocking people reaching out for refunds on this item as well as their ita bags and he only responds when threatened with a refund request. There have been several people who came foward on Facebook as well from different plushies he sold over the last year.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sirencircus/circus-ita-bag/comments

I don't know what recourse any of us have to get our money back, but the one time I spoke to him over email a few months ago he admitted he hasn't even sent it to the manu, so if you were holding out hope of getting this plush, I'm very sorry.

[vague viper]

do you like, pick the other one so you get zeus’ attacks cause he’s easy?

[fervent radish]

nah, you take zeus for the chance of getting jolted and just dps check through the second god

with your build

[twilit lodge]

For the most part the trial attacks are equally annoying

Personally Poseidon messes me up a lot because it’s hard to see

And Athena trial in elysium can be really annoying due to the eyeballs

[hoary pebble]

In trial of the gods, does it matter which one I choose first?

[stiff obsidian]

The gods you anger attack differently

[hoary pebble]

Do the boobs change depending on the ones I choose first?

Boons

[jade basin]

That's a good question

[fervent radish]

boobs 🗿

it shouldn't matter

[twilit lodge]

The only way I think it would matter is if you had an active yarn

Or one charge left on eury nectar

[hoary pebble]

Ok Ty

[pure oasis]

GUYS I GAVE AMBROSIA TO THANATOS AND ONLY NECTAR TO MEG BUT NOW ZAGREUS IS SAYING HE HAS FEELINGS FOR HER WHICH I DONT SO UM THIS IS SO AWKWARD

[fervent radish]

it's ok you can ||decline sex||

also you could separate how you feel from how zagreus feels

[pure oasis]

oh

[stone rune]

this game is garbage

i hate it

[stiff obsidian]

what happened this time

i was going to play but now deciding not to

[stone rune]

so i decided to play hera on controller

already a terrible decision

that primed me to feel totally miserable

so after a couple runs of that i switched to achilles and had the worst experience ever

[twilit lodge]

Hera on controller isn’t bad if you map cast to L1

[stone rune]

everything on controller is completely terrible

[stiff obsidian]

im glad my controller adventures ended when i couldnt figure out how to connect it

[jagged hamlet]

jazz needs a hug 🤗

[hoary pebble]

I’ve officially unlocked every weapon aspect

[fervent radish]

Now play exclusively Zeus!

[old bluff]

No, play only Beo :(

[twilit lodge]

Only play lv0 zagrail

[hoary pebble]

Beo is fun

I’m doing a run now

How do I get the mirage shot or whatever it’s called?

[old bluff]

Arty and Pos duo

[stiff obsidian]

check the codex

[hoary pebble]

Ty

[fervent radish]

We lost another one

[old bluff]

At least they are not a Zeus fanboy, they are the worst /j

[stiff obsidian]

real

what happened to that one guy he was pushing heat on eris

did he get banned

forget the name

[fervent radish]

Nah, he just got depressed and added a crying face to his pfp

He’s still around

[stiff obsidian]

what

ohh i see hwat you did there

no but im being fr there one was one guy

kept getting into trouble with mods

[old bluff]

I think I know who you are talking about as well, but I cant remember the name either

[stiff obsidian]

avalanche

that guy

hes still here

[old bluff]

Yeah, they kept picking fights with people iirc

It was usually Jazz for some reason. I wonder what that could be

[latent moon]

was that the guy who was insistent on not taking delta chamber bc it was cheating or something

[fervent radish]

oh lmao alr

oh yeah avalanche

funny guy

didn't understand why people would run IGT

hated pause buffering

[stone rune]

wasnt he in his 50s or something

[twilit lodge]

Isn’t that illegal

[fervent radish]

pretty old but not 50

he kept using his age to clown on people, was pretty funny

[stone rune]

old is like over 17

[fervent radish]

🗿

[stone rune]

once u hit 20 ur basically a fossil

[fervent radish]

i feel young and spry idk

[stone rune]

its a ruse

[stiff obsidian]

😭

[stiff obsidian]

wow

[twilit lodge]

What about when you hit 30

[stone rune]

dont they kill you when you do that

[twilit lodge]

I guess I escaped the death squads

[latent moon]

they take you out back and replace you with a clone

[stone rune]

the carrousel

i dont remember if they kill you at 21 or 30

[vague viper]

are there any multiplicative damage buffs, like does boiling blood or fiery presence scale with other damage buffs

[latent moon]

the only things multiplicative are movement speed, damage reduction, crits, and trap damage

everything else is additive

[stone rune]

well some kinds of damage will inherently be multiplicative

like mirage shot

[vague viper]

yes and attack speed but those are easy to know

[old bluff]

No. All % damage is addtive

(except for crits, and kind of movement speed)

[vague viper]

so would the boiling blood alt be better since it doesn’t really stack that well?

[twilit lodge]

No

Abyssal Blood is dog

The 50% from boiling is still extra damage

[stiff obsidian]

[old bluff]

No it doesn't

Boiling is only for attack and speical

[twilit lodge]

Rip

It’s still good

It’s better than not having it

[old bluff]

It's still way better, but it's more due to AB not being super useful in general, even though it is funny

[stone rune]

abyssal blood has less than 0.25 uses

[old bluff]

It's viable on Beo 😌

(shoutout to sleepsoul for getting his Beo sub 6 with AB)

[stiff obsidian]

im getting my 60 with abyssal

my current pb also uses abyssal

[old bluff]

My next sheet will have AB

[stiff obsidian]

now this makes me want to play hades

too bad ive been awake for 34 hours

[old bluff]

I would tell you to go to bed, but you won't listen to me anyway

[rustic vale]

Abyssal blood just isn’t worth it tbh

[vague viper]

what does it take to upgrade the pact of punishment and get new bounties

[stone rune]

just add heat

[vague viper]

I get capped out at 1 heat and I just beat 2 heat rail, so I got that capping out at 2 instead, but everything else is 1??

I want more bounties

[mint coral]

Need to beat current heat to move to the next

[vague viper]

per weapon?

[mint coral]

Can't claim the first blood at heat 1 and just move on to heat 2

And yeah

Each weapon has its bounties

[vague viper]

but can I raise the heat cap with a different weapon or something

I thought beating heat 2 would unlock bounties for that (or the next) level with everything

[mint coral]

Best heat 1 with that weapon

You can go to heat 20 with one weapon and just leave the others at heat 1 lol

[vague viper]

if I beat heat 2 with it would it unlock both bounties for heat 3 and 2

[mint coral]

If you go past your asked heat the win just claims the lowest available bounties so nah

Like, if you are at heat 1 then clear heat 5, you get bounties for heat 1 the game asks for 2 heat

You can repeat that 5 heat pact until it catches up then you need to raise to 6 and so on

[rustic vale]

Yes

It would be very bad if it didn’t work like that

you can alway surpass the heat gauge brw

[stone rune]

go up to 120 heat

[rustic vale]

If your highest bounty is 1, you can run 32 heat if you wanted to

You just get the rewards for heat 1

[latent moon]

doing high heat before finishing your bounties is less optimal bc you dont get the 5 hp per boss kill

(it does not matter most of the time tho)

[mint coral]

One more TD proc in case of overtime

[rustic vale]

Doing high heat before finishing your bounties is more optimal cuz you get to play more high heat

[vague viper]

whar

oh darkness+

[latent moon]

yeah lmao

[hoary pebble]

Ok I finished my first beo run

I think I prefer Zeus tbh

But I will experiment more

[vague viper]

in the case of having spent bounties, with bosses dropping mass darkness, are you sure dark regen would be worse

[stone rune]

yes

[latent moon]

yeah bc you have a fountain afterwards anyways

[hoary pebble]

Now I need to complete a run with every hidden aspect

I’ve done beo and Gilgamesh

[stone rune]

well if youve done gilga you can do anything

gilga is the worst aspect in the game

maybe bottom 2

[hoary pebble]

Gilgamesh was fun

Just slow

[stone rune]

there are certain people who find gilgamesh enjoyable for unknown reasons

but in objective measures it is really really terrible

[hoary pebble]

Arthur will be worse so I’ll do that one first

[vague viper]

how about lasting consequences? also speaking of, I’m sure there are some pact modifiers that shouldn’t really be used right? like lc3-4

[stone rune]

arthur has a similar predicament to gilga

[hoary pebble]

Fun > efficiency

[stone rune]

slow animations that dont really have a damage payoff

efficiency = fun

[hoary pebble]

Depends lol

But Arthur is going to suck

[stone rune]

arthur is pretty miserable

arthur has a leg up against gilga in the earlier game

but ME will scale better late game

both of them of course still have terrible damage

[hoary pebble]

Lucifer feels clunky

[stone rune]

luci is definitely clunky but its like pretty good

its very guan yu like

[hoary pebble]

Guan yu feels strong but a little slow

[stone rune]

very accurately described as "pretty good"

gy has like ok-low damage

[hoary pebble]

Ya

[stone rune]

its really safe

[hoary pebble]

The special looks good

[stone rune]

yep

its very hammer dependent though

you need triple bomb on luci

[hoary pebble]

Ya

[stone rune]

and charged skewer on gy

[hoary pebble]

I haven’t used the bow hidden aspect

Rama i think

Is the name

[stone rune]

its good

hard to use

but in certain contexts its among the best aspects in the game

there are 2 good hidden aspects

2 ok ones

[hoary pebble]

What’s the bow aspect that has the homing special

[stone rune]

and 2 garbage ones

chiron

that one is the competitor with gilga for worst aspect

[hoary pebble]

I usually use Chiron

When I go bow

[stone rune]

u can do that if u want

but its rlly bad

[hoary pebble]

It feels strong

So it’s cool

[stone rune]

it feels strong when u dont have experience with making builds

because the damage is basically the same with whatevr random stuff u put on it

[hoary pebble]

I don’t think I’ll ever become a sweat in this game

[stone rune]

other aspects you need a more targeted decision making schema in order to reach their damage potential

[hoary pebble]

That’s reserved for battle cats lol

[stone rune]

and then theres beo where if u just like get 3 boons u instantly kill everything

[hoary pebble]

Yeah

I definitely didn’t do well with beo

Damage was low

And it was a slow hades fight

With bow it was a 1:30 fight about

[stone rune]

beo is the only aspect to have dad fights below 23 seconds in unseeded runs

[hoary pebble]

Sheesh

You can’t manually put seeds in right?

Like through the game

[stone rune]

its complicated

[hoary pebble]

Right

I figured

[latent moon]

lc3-4 you'd use stubborn defiance in the mirror for pseudo healing, but that's only taken at 32+ heat

[stone rune]

if you start with the same save file and dont screw with it you will start the game with the same rng seed

that rng seed is incremented by certain actions you can do

its a pseudorandom thing or whatever

so if you exactly control what you do you can follow a preset route

[hoary pebble]

I see

[latent moon]

also dark regen and chthonic vitality gets shafted from lc3-4 anyways so it doesnt matter lmao

[stone rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B06cvgdqK10

as in runs like this

[vague viper]

[stone rune]

hold on

theres no way

is the dio beo route just

the dio beo runcontrol

but route

LOL

[vague viper]

how does the fabled beo setup work

[hoary pebble]

Holy cannoli

[stone rune]

?

[vague viper]

the one that gets dad in 23 seconds with 3 boons

cause I’m really curious

[stone rune]

flood flare

mirage shot

hyper sprint + rush delivery

and a bunch of chaos and well items

https://youtu.be/FXwcigljfSQ this is my old dad pb

wow i played like garbo in this

probably sub23able

but im not good at dad

[latent moon]

abuse the fact that mirage shot is bugged on beowulf to do 100% instead of 30%, so start flood flare, find artemis to open the duo (ideally get the attack), get the duo, then win
and yeah what jazz said about getting hyper sprint and rush delivery, that's how you get a super fast dad fight

[stone rune]

and cant forget wells the goat

[latent moon]

yeah abuse well items

+1 stone, +50% cast damage, and movement speed if you have hyper sprint + rush delivery

getting the charged shot hammer helps a lot too

[vague viper]

actually speaking of hidden aspects, who’s the dialogue guy for each weapon, like, beowulf is chaos, fists is asterius, I’m tryna remember it all so I know who to go to with each weapon in hopes of unlocking

[stone rune]

pinned in #h2-story-discussion

not that

#h1-story-discussion

[twilit lodge]

Artemis for Bow, Zeus for Rail, Chaos for Shield, Asterius for Fists, and I forgor who for sword

Nyx for Sword

[vague viper]

how do you do that? you need the weapon equipped to get he dialogue right?

[tepid light]

do you?

[stone rune]

the best strat is to use max save file

and not have to do this

[fervent radish]

some people want to experience the story as intended 😔

[tepid light]

And Hades has a very nice story

[vague viper]

console

[latent moon]

i dont think so you just need to talk to her

as long as you have the prereqs

and hope she gives you the dialogue

[twilit lodge]

Apparently only the fists and shield have a “using that weapon” conversation prerequisite

[latent moon]

there's bow and rail

[vague viper]

how does the shield ricochet work? does it only bounce between 2 enemies or all of them

[tepid light]

what exactly are you referring to

[vague viper]

special/throw

if it varies per aspect or situation do specify

[tepid light]

Ah

I'm afraid I'm not certain myself

[vague viper]

I’m seeing something about Chaos (aspect)’s bonus projectiles not being affected by the dread flight hammer upgrade (+4 bounces), so I think those.. don’t ricochet? at base? from the wording of it

[latent moon]

i believe it's 2 bounces including walls? something like that

if it hits an enemy on the way back to you it'll deal damage but wont bounce

[vague viper]

ah this excerpt covers everything
The bonus shields from Chaos aspect are not affected by Dread Flight. Only the uncharged shield throw bounces 6 times. If you use Bull Rush to activate the Chaos aspect bonus, all shields thrown will only bounce once.
2 base bounces, all chaos throws bounce
once

[latent moon]

that sounds about right

on the otherhand

dont use the special on chaos shield lmao

and dont use the special on shield in general unless you're using zeus

[tepid light]

Ah, Chaos Shield

I will never ever call you a good aspect, but I've certainly had some fun shotgunning enemies with you using demeter or dionysus special

[stone rune]

don’t use chaos at all

ever

it’s the only aspect in the game that is just totally and only a downgrade from another

even aspects worse than it have certain situations where the theoretical benefits exist

chaos is just zagshield with less attack damage

[tepid light]

I mean if you're not gonna use the special on Chaos Shield you might as well just use Zag Shield

If you're gonna use an aspect, might as well make use of its schtick as you can

[vague viper]

would be nice if the special didn’t do 15 damage

[latent moon]

then just dont use chaos lmao

[vague viper]

[tepid light]

sure

[stone rune]

but it does so it sucks

[vague viper]

unless you get doom special I guess

[latent moon]

real tbh

[tepid light]

christ my chat in this server is a travesty now

[stone rune]

nope still sucks

[vague viper]

I don’t know if it’s all minotaur rush but I do like shield for rushing

[tepid light]

shield rushing was how i won a run for the very first time way back when

i just cowered behind my shield and slowly chipped dad to death

good times

[vague viper]

I don’t like to hide behind my shield, most blocked hits are a side effect of charging a minotaur rush

[tepid light]

yeah it wasn't a very satisfying win

my first 'proper' win was with achilles spear

i was sobbing into my mic with joy

[vague viper]

I won my first legit time earlier today
(I had a win on the save prior cause a friend (hades veteran) had wrung one out, hence some unlocks)

[tepid light]

ayyy, congrats

[vague viper]

hazard bomb goes crazy
I could’ve got triple bomb on the first hammer but I went for the burst fire for prophecy

the triple hazard could’ve been mine
not that I needed it

[tepid light]

i find hazard bomb highly entertaining as long as i'm not running eris

[vague viper]

I have learned it is not possible anyway

[vague viper]

hazard bomb is multiplicative

[stone rune]

yeah because it’s base damage

[latent moon]

coward, that's when it's most entertaining

[tepid light]

I'm not that masochistic

[vague viper]

anyone know race, the ror2 content creator? is there anyone like that for hades, high level & educational gameplay videos

[void vigil]

there are a few videos but not a single person dedicated to making them
i think most of it is just written and not in video form

[vague viper]

I mean not strictly educational, but like, you’d learn from it; they justify and explain decisions as they come up in gameplay.
if that helps narrow it to someone rather than various written guides

[void vigil]

i can only think of speedrunning guides

[vague viper]

veedotme is fine but he’s more on the “not explaining” side

[void vigil]

so there are a few videos/streamers like that, but people have different opinions on the "meta" and such of this game. some of the videos are even from before 1.0 was released so theyre outdated (even though its been a while)

[stone rune]

watch good players and talk to them

if you ask in speedcord there will be some kind of very good player who will answer your question quickly

[latent moon]

haelian has some good videos but some of them are outdated

[vague viper]

speaking of haelian, in one of his videos he states that there’s a 25% chance for a hammer in room 1

I have not found this to be true in my experience, is there a condition or unlock to get that chance

[stone rune]

it is something like 25%

[stone rune]

also some of the gameplay is suspicious

[vague viper]

feels like 5%

so I’m guessing sonething’s wrong

[latent moon]

it's 25%, it's prob just confirmation bias to why you think it's less lmao

[latent moon]

i feel like as long as you dont watch his meme runs (which is most of them) he's still pretty solid

most of his decision making is fine iirc

his room pathing idrk how good that is but it's prob fine enough to pick up a bit from

also i doubt he explains his room pathing lmao

at that point looking at speedrun vod reviews would help for room pathing since im pretty sure people cover that there

[stone rune]

i once saw him roll over arty special on beo in unmodded for atk

[latent moon]

although that might be different for speed/heat

[latent moon]

based tbh

[stone rune]

in a 3wep

[latent moon]

oh cursed

based tbh

[stone rune]

it’s cursed in every sense

he didn’t even have cshot

[latent moon]

i mean other than that most of it is probably fine

also considering there aren't like

much videos of people explaining decision making

so it's decent enough

[stone rune]

i could do that

that sounds interesting

although

i roll down for rd every time

which is probably not a good idea to spread to the gawking rabble

[vague viper]

I really try to avoid bias, must be luck

[vague viper]

is there more to room pathing than picking based on reward or elite laurel

[stone rune]

yes

[latent moon]

when i said "room pathing" i meant like

during combat

[vague viper]

o

[stone rune]

and also decision making on room picks is also very very complicated

[latent moon]

picking the reward would fall under "decision making"

[stone rune]

you need to think about bag

laurel ratio

[latent moon]

idk about "need"

[stone rune]

eligibility of various kinds of room

pool

[latent moon]

unless by "bag" you mean like hermes and hammers

[stone rune]

like

you can’t get second pom on a door until you get second boon

[latent moon]

bc ngl laurel ratio and room eligibility isn't really a need

yeah idk if that's a need either

[stone rune]

i guess laurel ratio isn’t as important for informing decisions

more for just knowing how ur run is gonna work out ahead of time

[latent moon]

tbh the only thing that's important is like hermes and hammers

out of the things you listed lmao

well you technically didnt say that

felt like it was implied from "bag" lmao

[stone rune]

i think bag stuff generally is important

[latent moon]

oh god pool i missed that

[stone rune]

just getting a feel for it

[latent moon]

god pool is pretty big

[vague viper]

bag is referring to satyr sack, of course

[latent moon]

eh i've never learned it

never bothered other than the ely hammer

[stone rune]

a lot of it you don’t consciously learn

it’s something that develops over playtime

[latent moon]

can you give more examples then bc i genuinely have no clue lmfao

[stone rune]

ok it’s too late and i have an exam tomorrow and some dumb waste of time lab

good night

[latent moon]

"bag" is like

hold on

[latent moon]

lmao gn

[latent moon]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[vague viper]

speaking of actually is there a way to get more hammers at all, half the time I’ll get my first in elysium

[latent moon]

read down from there

[latent moon]

dark foresight should help you get your first hammer in tartarus/aspho

but second hammer only appears in elysium

[vague viper]

maxed out recently so hopefully it’ll pay off

[latent moon]

impossible to get 2 hammers before elysium

you can only have 3 upgrades by taking the anvil in styx

but other than that, you can't really influence when you get your hammer

typically speaking tho, it's hard to miss your second hammer in elysium

[vague viper]

better be

talking of generation, do elite rooms or symbols (red up arrow on laurel), indicate the strength of the room reward or just the difficulty

like sometimes you’ll get 2 keys, or a +2 pom rather than a +1

[latent moon]

both

the room is harder but you get more rewards

before styx, those are called elite rooms and will always be blue laurels

in styx, they're miniboss rooms and will always be gold laurels

erebus are gold laurels but give boosted rewards tho

can't be found in styx

[vague viper]

I’m calling the skull-marked laurels elite rooms, is that a term for something else

[latent moon]

no you're right

skull marked rooms are elite rooms

[vague viper]

those are not only on blue laurels

[latent moon]

well

okay i forgot minibosses existed in the biomes

blue laurel skull marked are elite rooms

they're just like normal rooms except they're all armored

gold laurel with a skull are gonna be a miniboss and it'll always be a god boon

[vague viper]

very good to know thank you

[latent moon]

unless you get to styx, then you can get like a pom miniboss tunnel

[vague viper]

what does the red arrow indicator mean exactly does that mean boosted reward or is that inherent to elite rooms

[latent moon]

in styx, any gold laurel reward can be on the miniboss

[latent moon]

i think it's difficulty bc iirc it's also on the boss doors?

i dont remember lmao'

[vague viper]

[latent moon]

tbh the distinction doesn't really matter that much bc you'll know if it's elite or miniboss pretty easily

and you'll know when the boss is, it's never a surprise lmao

[vague viper]

there’s like 2 different miniboss encounters for each area right

[latent moon]

only 1

you can only fight miniboss once per biome except styx

unless you mean like types of minibosses

tartarus and asphodel have 3, elysium has 2, styx has like 5?

[vague viper]

ie, stinker, big crystal clump, medusa & moai, death barge, butterfly ball, asterius

don’t really know their names

[latent moon]

tartarus: inferno bombers, sneak, and doomstone
asphodel: power couple, witches circle, and barge
ely: butterfly ball and bull
styx: big satyr, big rat, tiny rat, big snakestone, big pot

also for tart and aspho, you get offered the miniboss door 3 times each before you wont be offered it again

1 for each miniboss

same deal for ely except only 2 chances

[vague viper]

wretched sneak yes

closest I remembered to it was “stinker”

[latent moon]

Close enough tbh

[vague viper]

is this offered in consecutive rooms or scattered
(ie when I turn down miniboss, will it be there the next 2 rooms, or, it doesn’t do that)

[vague viper]

disrespectable fellow deserves it

[latent moon]

It's typically consecutive

Like say your options are miniboss vs midshop and you take midshop

Your next room being offered is probably gonna be miniboss

[vague viper]

shops tend to have 1 exit right

[latent moon]

Ely has 2 but yes

Aspho midshop typically leads to miniboss

[vague viper]

how can you tell which rooms are gonna be free, like, no combat. outside of the obvious “shop & event npc laurel”

like a fountain room

do they happen at fixed chambers

[latent moon]

Fountain room you never know unless you're using the speedrun modpack, which has a fountain room indicator

Chaos is also considered a free room

[vague viper]

[latent moon]

No all random

There's like a few chambers in the biome where story rooms can't appear

Typically the first few

Same with midshop

[vague viper]

how about chaos exit choices, like if there’s a hammer or exit to chaos, will I pass up that hammer forever if I go to chaos

[latent moon]

Iirc from the bag, technically yes but also no?

Like you can only see the hammer so many times before it stops offering it to you or something but you can still like get the hammer later

The short answer is no, it doesn't disappear forever

(most of the time)

Kinda just depends on rng at that point too

[vague viper]

I recall something about “you can be offered 3 hammers but you can only take 2” meaning, you can skip one in elysium and it’ll come back later?

[latent moon]

Yeah the Ely hammer tends to pop up a couple times even if you skip it

At least once afaik

Also I gotta go to sleep lmao it's 1:30 gn

[vague viper]

same goodnight

very insightful stuff I have learned

adding to my zenith of roguelike knowledge

[vague viper]

this is still in the air if anyone has an answer :3c

[jagged hamlet]

I cannot for the life of me find the original source of this image

Supposedly Swan originally uploaded it here somewhere hmmmm Oops no it's a purple user named Sparrow

[jagged hamlet]

From deeeeeep within the pins of #h1-builds-and-combat: Sparrow's Guide to Room Rewards
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?ex=66fde00a&is=66fc8e8a&hm=71fef19a92ab8061e10ac8222849acc577df4eec2bdc8e1f52395db825c86377&

Discord is deep web bluh bluh

[vague viper]

bird to bird

[vague viper]

very good graphic, i didn’t know about the double arrow mark for gates though, I don’t really understand those despite looking it up

what are good/bad interactions with encounter count for styx paths like, it burns all your Well items but it also progresses keepsake upgrades and crop boons faster

cthonic vitality is nice in styx too

[vague viper]

fated persuasion lets you reroll hammers right

[void vigil]

nope you cannot reroll hammers

[mint coral]

Can't persuade a hammer

[void vigil]

not with that attitude

[tepid light]

fated persuasion does however let you reroll the mods in this server when they try to ban you

[void vigil]

no dont turn me into a boon noooo

[vague viper]

this is so society dude

persuasion says “boons” so I though hammer would be boons, and also rerolling the boon selection to purge for Customs, cause those are actually boons and should be rerolled

tiny vermin is also hilarious, got my second win now which is lovely

[old bluff]

You can roll the purge well

[vague viper]

you can roll the charon well, not purge well

[old bluff]

You can, you just need more then 3 sellable boons

[vague viper]

I swear it wasn’t working when I tried it

[old bluff]

Did the roll have a big X over it

[vague viper]

no button

[old bluff]

How many boons did you have

[vague viper]

more than 3 iirc

I’ll give it a second go later

[mint coral]

Could've been non purgables

[fervent radish]

Ideally you get the sack on the second tunnel

Take miniboss doors first because they’re faster

[vague viper]

I have figured that out the hard way, I took normal paths because the bosses seemed scary but they’re really not, the normal ending rooms are stupid long

[fervent radish]

yeah

sack system is possibly the worst mechanic in the game

[old bluff]

I think it is the only thing on this entire game that has zero excuse to exist

[fervent radish]

yeah

[vague viper]

I mean it does purely come down to rng like every other choice in this game

[fervent radish]

other choices you can control to an extent

sack rng is pure rng and garbage as a result

[stiff obsidian]

it would be tolerable if non sack rooms werent so damn hard and long

[old bluff]

It's also that it happens at the end of the run

[stiff obsidian]

wow phrasing

[vague viper]

if it had any pattern to where the sack generated it would be fine like, it’s always from a boss room or, it’s always on room 2 or 3 (not 4 or 5)

[old bluff]

It's like, "Oh you're on PB pace? But what if you weren't"

[fervent radish]

even obeying the mechanics of the game: "oh, you're going to clear by td3 time? what if your run actually took 4 more minutes?"

[old bluff]

It's not even like it becomes a problem when you are pushing the game to its absolute limit, it's just always there and everybody has to deal with its stupidity

[fervent radish]

yeah

[onyx thistle]

for the queen's plan, i don't get the option to give nectar or ambrosia for the gods I need, is there something else i need to do to trigger it? im at the last heart where the lock symbol is on 4 of them

[twilit lodge]

Once you reach the lock for any relation there’s a favor you need to do to unlock the rest of their hearts and the capability of giving them ambrosia

[onyx thistle]

Oh ok, Thank you!

[twilit lodge]

Typically the “favor” is just a random dialogue you need to have with them but sometimes there’s actual requirements that aren’t easily met accidentally

For most of the Olympians it’s just a random dialogue with them once you’re at the lock

Hermes has a notably obscure one though, and Demeter is locked until after the events of the queen’s plan have finished (but having her at the lock counts, for starting the plan)

[onyx thistle]

Got it, thanks 🙏🏿

[steep bobcat]

my girlfriend is currently playing hades and she is LOVING it

im so glad i got the game for her :'3

[vague viper]

and how about you

[steep bobcat]

i've been obsessed with hades since 2021 lol

i am right next to my zag figma and nendroid

[vague viper]

delectable

[steep bobcat]

😎

[twilit lodge]

Proof?

[steep bobcat]

cant post pictures ;-;

[twilit lodge]

Post it in a DM and then paste the media link here and it will embed

[vague viper]

no image perms block image embed perms too right

[twilit lodge]

Not right

[steep bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929347329062998076/1291176720539320401/IMG20241003021448.jpg?ex=66ff2587&is=66fdd407&hm=39e67de88fc9b2b119ff626964800b6d7cb23fe6223960c9a33e05a3d228d687&

here they are :D

[stiff obsidian]

nice

[steep bobcat]

damnit he used to have his shield

wasnt home for 2 weeks and i think someone went to my room and moved the figures around and dropped it somewhere :c

nvm found it

it was hiding behind him

[twilit lodge]

All I have is a hades pro controller for my switch (which started drifting in months, rip)

And a Cerberus hoodie from the merch store

[stiff obsidian]

i usually just use a wallpaper of whatever media im currently watching/playing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/881321447497285632/1291177725289300078/4DT3DTi.jpg?ex=66ff2676&is=66fdd4f6&hm=3069a05f7f9b9e7615930b4e3b1b76bd27af44c9a21f1e1e0d1c0acb3cf1f2f9&

[steep bobcat]

i have the 2 figures, a poster, cerberus plush, 3 hades shirts and my phone lockscreen is the offical zag hydra art

[stiff obsidian]

this was my hades wallpaper

naturally

[stiff obsidian]

wow

[steep bobcat]

i have a problem

i do not value my money and i throw it at anything hades related

[stiff obsidian]

pay to win

[twilit lodge]

Where’d you get the phone lock screen?

Might cop

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/zagreus-hades-gif-22678367

badass trailer wish this was an anime or smth

[old bluff]

I know this has been said like a dozen times already, but a Hades anime would go so hard

[steep bobcat]

wallpaper flare

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/775075403177000971/1291179290460688486/hades-game-video-game-art-video-games-digital-art-artwork-hd-wallpaper-preview.png?ex=66ff27eb&is=66fdd66b&hm=93e6ce5b5a5af66f03d647ed70d0faf4e6133f598cf245ae929e2062d508b157& they had a hq version of this art

[stiff obsidian]

yes

ok i get it

hades-game-video-game-art-video-games-digital-art-artwork-hd-wallpaper-preview.png

[steep bobcat]

hades-game-video-game-art-video-games-digital-art-artwork-hd-wallpaper-preview.png my beloved

[steep bobcat]

i disagree since the games story is told best by you trying to escape over and over and over again.
watching it wont feel as rewarding.
the art will be godlike tho (pun intended ofc)

[stiff obsidian]

you only say that because thats the only way youve experienced it

[old bluff]

I never said it would be better than the game, just that it would be really good

[stiff obsidian]

this game sucks ong

[vague viper]

is there a cap to Hoarding Slash

[old bluff]

no

it's just not very good

[twilit lodge]

The extra damage is added after bonuses so it’s not so great

[steep bobcat]

fair enough

[steep bobcat]

probably lol
wouldnt have it any other way though

[twilit lodge]

I literally can’t load this website without getting redirected to fake “your iPhone has been hacked” websites, awesome

[steep bobcat]

Adblock helps yeah...

[smoky willow]

Just realized how powerful flurry shot arrow is with Athena on my attack

[vague viper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/594662203781545985/1291214778294997073/IMG_9513.jpg

another one down

[twilit lodge]

UC for 2 heat is certainly bold

[strong owl]

I finally got the best set up in the game and lost after getting hades to halfway

I was playing on 16 heat, I was so close to winning

[old bluff]

what was the setup

[strong owl]

Shield Zeus Artemis

Yk the setup

[old bluff]

I happen to not know

[fervent radish]

Artemis special on Zeus shield?

Lightning rod?

[fervent radish]

What do you refer to

[strong owl]

Yeah

[strong owl]

The 64 heat setup

[latent moon]

I mean it's pretty free tbf lmao

[strong owl]

Yeah, ive gotten 2 heat on every weapon, so easy

[latent moon]

Artemis isn't part of that setup lmao

[strong owl]

It is

[fervent radish]

🗿

[latent moon]

Not really important

You just want an attack boon lmao

[strong owl]

Its not that important but it helps a lot more

[latent moon]

The important part is thunder flourish and jolted

[strong owl]

I got the duo boon on chamber 5

So might as well take it

[strong owl]

I thought double strike was also important

I got all of those though

Like extremely high level too

Around 4 to 5

[latent moon]

Eh

It exists

Doesn't work well on Zeus shield iirc

[old bluff]

It's good with rod ig

[latent moon]

Or like properly

Fair

[strong owl]

Really?

[strong owl]

Yeah

[latent moon]

Pretty sure it messes with internal cooldown so it doesn't actually do damage lmao

[strong owl]

[old bluff]

According to Dragonappendix, Zeus shield hits too fast so you get 2 strikes for one hit, but the ICD is still up

[fervent radish]

Ngl the ideal 64 setup right now is aphro special

[strong owl]

I also got explosive return on chamber 11 so

[fervent radish]

That is according to posh boy and angelic too

[strong owl]

[fervent radish]

Low key kinda late ER but it’s 16

[strong owl]

Bruh

I got aphro in a shop but didnt get it

[fervent radish]

Rough

[old bluff]

Also, what beat 64 is not the best for low heat due to 64 being more centered on getting an okay build quick

Zeus special + epic jolted is better than Aphro special iirc

[strong owl]

So what build should i go for

[fervent radish]

It has a higher damage ceiling, but aphro can get to a decent amount of damage with less rng

[old bluff]

It's still a really good build obv, but like Hestia, Eris, and Beo are very strong on lower heats

[fervent radish]

Like I played 3 ap0 50 runs recently, two with Zeus and one with aphro. Zeus gets way higher damage and is usually more fun below 60

[fervent radish]

Whatever you want

Zeus with arty is still very solid

[strong owl]

I havent maxed them yet

[old bluff]

:(

[strong owl]

I think my highest heat is like 8

[fervent radish]

Aphro also needs to be epic to work properly

[strong owl]

Oh

[fervent radish]

So Zeus is more reliable if you don’t want to reset for epic

[old bluff]

Jolted is the thing you really want high rarity on

[strong owl]

I didnt get it very high

It was kinda bad

I got double strike epic tho

[fervent radish]

Probably evens out somehow idk

[old bluff]

Jolted does work with dstrike tho

Jolted is actually so dumb, it is an easy top 5 boon in the game

[strong owl]

Really?

[fervent radish]

Yeah

It’s the core of the Zeus special build

Probably 40-70% of dps depending on Pom distribution

[old bluff]

As it turns out, getting procs for like 300 damage every time an enemy attacks is stupid busted

[strong owl]

I put a lot on dstrike and special

[fervent radish]

Jolted should get all poms

[strong owl]

Alright

[fervent radish]

Special before that

[strong owl]

Still kind of a noob at this game, i only play two builds

[old bluff]

The only time you don't spam poms on jolted is on speed builds with Tdash (also a top 5 boon lmao) where you split it 50-50 iirc

[strong owl]

Tdash?

[old bluff]

Tidal dash from pos

[strong owl]

Oh

Hmm

Alright

Ill try going for it again tmw

[fervent radish]

I also play two builds

[old bluff]

I play one lmao

[strong owl]

Lol

[strong owl]

I really like ares athena build, its fun

[old bluff]

Sadly, neither of us are noobs

[strong owl]

For sword

[fervent radish]

It is

[fervent radish]

Yeah, probably makes it more embarrassing

[old bluff]

ME is also a top five boon lmfao

[fervent radish]

Ok give your actual top 5 boons

Three spots are taken

Mirage shot prob

[old bluff]

Jolted, Tdash, RD, ME, and Arty attack/special

[fervent radish]

Rush delivery?

[latent moon]

Mirage shot sucks except on beo tbf

[fervent radish]

True

[strong owl]

Im lost bro

[fervent radish]

It’s alr just play Zeus on Zeus and look for more Zeus

[strong owl]

Lol

[fervent radish]

(And arty and dio and ares)

[latent moon]

Ngl Zeus/Dio call could be top 5

[strong owl]

Artemis really that good with ares though?

[old bluff]

(honorary mention to Ddash, + dashes, and Zeus call)

[fervent radish]

Not in that sense

Hunting blades is good but not the focus of the build

[strong owl]

Oh yeah, i got a lot of wins with that, it was honestly fun to go for

[fervent radish]

Doom is strong(jolted level damage) and it can crit, just like almost everything else in the build

[fervent radish]

Didn’t know you liked drunken dash that much

[old bluff]

Nasty dash? Best boon

[latent moon]

No one calls Dio dash drunken dash

[fervent radish]

Rough

[latent moon]

Only nasty dash

[strong owl]

I dont even know any terms for stuff

I dont watch videos on hades anymore

Just recently got back into it cuz i was bored

[stiff obsidian]

i never watch hades videos

[old bluff]

Oh, sorry, we abbreviate a lot in Hades

[strong owl]

Makes sense, a lot of boon names are long

[old bluff]

RD is Rush Delivery from Hermes, and when paired with Hyper Sprint, it gives 50-100% global additive. ME is Merciful End duo from Athena and Ares

[latent moon]

125% if you're lucky :)

[old bluff]

I've gotten it twice

[fervent radish]

Mods, subject him to dunk0 tutorial for his favorite aspect on loop

[strong owl]

I lowkey forgot what merciful end was called

Lol

[old bluff]

NOT THE BEO GUIDE PLS

It was made pre Pos cast

[strong owl]

Is there an easy combo i can go for on 16 heat?

[old bluff]

Eris is a fan favorite

[stiff obsidian]

this gives me an idea

[old bluff]

Get Zeus attack and Delta Chamber hammer

[stiff obsidian]

ill try searching up eris guides

who is jawless pal

pael

paul

[old bluff]

Another old popular Hades youtuber who has little experience

Eris is easily the most overhyped aspect in the game ngl

(ignore that I only play for Sub 5, where Eris is actually so awful)

[fervent radish]

Zeus shield is pretty solid

Shouldn’t have a ton of trouble with that

Are you using bullrush

[strong owl]

Yeah

A hella lot

[fervent radish]

Ait

[strong owl]

To take hits

Yk

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[stiff obsidian]

eris is definitely the no1 aspect in the game generally am i just extremely biased

[fervent radish]

Yeah

It’s Zeus duh

[stiff obsidian]

atleast on kbm

[fervent radish]

Zeus is literally made for kbm

Just like Hera is made for controller

[stone rune]

eris sucks

[stiff obsidian]

you need to know stuff for that

[strong owl]

Im playing controller

[fervent radish]

No, kbm was made in anticipation of Zeus being invented

[stiff obsidian]

ohh i see

[fervent radish]

It’s fine, you’ll still play well

It’s just a slightly better experience on kbm

[stone rune]

eris has shockingly low damage

[old bluff]

Just play like Vaxon

Easy right?

[strong owl]

Whats that?

[stiff obsidian]

its an aspect

[strong owl]

Which weapon?

[old bluff]

Vaxon is one of two players to have beaten 64 heat with Zeus on controller

[strong owl]

Oh

[old bluff]

His run was called the the textbook for great controller Zeus play by Mysterra

[stiff obsidian]

started and completed ninesols just to avoid em4

[strong owl]

Hmm

[stiff obsidian]

i guess i will put in a few em4 hours now

[fervent radish]

Just do one

[stiff obsidian]

there is no escape

having to replace the files for every attmpt is very discouraging tho

its so annoyign to do

[fervent radish]

What

Just use the savestate manager

It’s worth switching. Trust me

[stiff obsidian]

idont think it works on mac

lol

[fervent radish]

Oh rip

[stiff obsidian]

i remember trying

i still havent even beaten my save once

i wonder when ill ever be able to streak it

[twilit lodge]

Just set your save file to be read only

[stiff obsidian]

waht

[fervent radish]

When eris stops being eris

And it starts being Zeus

[stiff obsidian]

is this real

[twilit lodge]

No idea if it would work, but it’s a real thing you can do to fuels

Files

[stiff obsidian]

i know

[twilit lodge]

On windows anyway, probably Mac too

[stiff obsidian]

yeah i can

worst case

it doesnt work

[twilit lodge]

Worst case, John Hades comes out of the computer and kills you

[stiff obsidian]

[vague viper]

FOUR duos

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/594662203781545985/1291250470387581050/IMG_9514.jpg

[stone rune]

shame they were those 4

[vague viper]

stubborn roots probably saved the run but I’m not sure

crystal clarity with hermes rapid drop and glacial glare? fire

still have yet to beat the game with any melee weapons unfortunately

I want me prophecy’s blood

[twilit lodge]

Chase those prophecies now for sure

Also we do have #h1-victory-boasting where you can post clear screens directly without having to paste links

[unique surge]

I'm having trouble with the game not saving my autosaves. I've tried enabling and disabling my cloud saves through steam so it saves locally and on the cloud. I've uninstalled and reinstalled. I started a brand new save file to see if it was the old file that was messing up. I've made sure it's white listed by my antivirus program. I've verified my files on steam. I tried moving my files to saved games folder under my computer username but that just gives me an error message. I have no clue what is causing the problem

[stiff obsidian]

Tech support

[unique surge]

got it

[stiff obsidian]

#h2-tech-support yeah

Woah wrong one

#h1-tech-support

Yeh

[vague viper]

this is true but it’s not boasting if it’s 2 heat

[fervent radish]

People post their first clears there

You can post any victory screens

[fervent radish]

You picked up one Pom the entire run??

[vague viper]

that doesn’t sound right but apparently

[fervent radish]

Good build needs like 4 boons max lol

[vague viper]

I was chasing boons to get specific ones I suppose

[fervent radish]

Just focus on pooping a few boons

Pomming

[stiff obsidian]

idk man if youre pooping boons you should get that checked

[fervent radish]

True

[twilit lodge]

Yeah chasing specific boons until you get the prophecies done is fine

Good idea too, since once you get better at building and clearing you won’t want to sidetrack your builds to chase stuff for prophecy

[vague viper]

that run was designed for prophecies tbf
I stuck on the mirror abilities I needed and went for it, picking up boons I needed and various duos

[vague viper]

on that note aswell, I did also just do a run to finish off the prophecy for winning with each mirror perk, by just having a totally flipped mirror with awkward and dogwater buffs
still better than routine inspection though

[vague viper]

how does this game like to round? like uh, nourished soul with stubborn roots, will it round to 2? will it be 1 with the occasional 2? always 1?
or lasting consequences on chthonic vitality, how is that affected

[fervent radish]

Usually up?

I’ve never been rounded down as far as I know

[vague viper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/594662203781545985/1291430190488092723/IMG_9531.jpg

I do NOT want a 5th one

[stone rune]

i feel like hteres some kind of ui element missing in the top left

what is usually there that is not there in this screenshot

oh summon

[stiff obsidian]

styx touching

ok nvm

[vague viper]

she touch my styx til I defy

[stiff obsidian]

🗣️

[vague viper]

(I bought it)

[rustic vale]

You’re thinking of the supersized bouldy icon that takes up 50% of the screen

[twilit lodge]

Me when stickybot becomes sentient

[stiff obsidian]

halfway through a good run i just quit out because its boring, is hades over for me

[stone rune]

it was always over

[stiff obsidian]

hm

[vague viper]

(satyr sack in 4th room they all got burned before dad)

[vague viper]

put more heat

[fervent radish]

🗿

[vague viper]

specific pacts can spice it up enough, fundamental change rather than numbers game, extreme measures, benefits package, etc

[fervent radish]

He’s aware

[fervent radish]

Play another aspect

[vague viper]

course I am, good ol 45 hour andy

[fervent radish]

Nah I was talking about false

[vague viper]

I misinterpreted the message

is it only rail’s grenade that can attack over pillars in dad laser attack,
other than bull rush tanking it of course

[stone rune]

trippy maybe

[vague viper]

just an attack to damage him during lasers

[stone rune]

just go next to him

[twilit lodge]

Hug your dad

[vague viper]

surely you would get hit

[stiff obsidian]

i was playing beowulf

[stone rune]

you don’t get hit if ur right next to him

[fervent radish]

EM3 dad has a small safe area that’s right next to him

[twilit lodge]

EM3 dad

[twilit lodge]

Had to dig deep to find a video that shows this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1025550057283518504/2022093018243500-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=66ffd1ab&is=66fe802b&hm=aaeead7a5811cd79ac9fd297bb4551896423d82dfaec9531773c007e93e06571&

Only got hit by lasers one time, when I got a little too far away from him

Hug your dad

[topaz cobalt]

do "the next boon you find has upgraded rarity" buffs stack to be "the next 2 boons" or do they stack to be "the next boon has 2x upgraded rarity"? ie. yarn+euridice?

[latent moon]

Next 2 boons

If you have 2 yarns they don't stack either, only 1 gets used on the next boon

[topaz cobalt]

ok thanks!

[fervent radish]

Yeah

Em4 pulses around him so there’s no safe spot

[stone rune]

well the safe spot is still there right

u just get pushed out

[fervent radish]

Oh I guess yeah

[stiff obsidian]

you could always just

dash between the beams

ive done it a few times

[fervent radish]

Idk I just block

Fresh file is usually the situation where you’d try to look for the safe spot