👶beginner-help

[novel path]

seems like i was to get stamps without having her

[glossy laurel]

in this situation, is it still recommended to 10 pull or just do single pulls for the weapon?

[serene crystal]

There is no mechanical difference between single pulls and 10 pulls. The only factor is that single pulls allow you to stop when you get the weapon

[glossy laurel]

okay i got in a 10 pull lol

[kind hull]

who should I use in Q-manifold? I was using HoV but she didnt do enough damage, on floor 5 elite

[quick birch]

sparkle/hle/vbm is solid, if sparkle does not have her weapon you can try the hle budget team in pins

[raven bane]

how much does it take to get seele skin i dont have her but i am willing to pull for her in future

[quick birch]

!faq pyramid

[small willow]

Gacha Outfits

Be careful, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's summary [here](#👶beginner-help message) Regarding Gacha (Pyramid) outfits.

Gacha (Pyramid) Outfits

• DO NOT PULL UNLESS YOU CAN HARD PITY. NON-NEGOTIABLE.
  • You need 9600 or 7680 if there is a discount.
• No competitive benefit.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[quick birch]

she also won't get any reruns anymore

[raven bane]

WHAT

[quick birch]

HoRb is too old

you will be able to obtain her through other means though

[raven bane]

well that just benefits me

[spiral badge]

you'll still need to spend up to 60 rolls for her newer weapon but for the valk you would have to more plan for other possible sources like bp reserve works shop, events, paid bundles

[quick birch]

^ she'll probably be in reserve work in a few patches but note that it takes ~1 year to save up enough crystallum as a f2p for 1 character card

[raven bane]

which one would take longer to rerun hle or seele skin

[quick birch]

seele skin, hle will most likely rerun in 8.6

the newer the valk the more frequently she gets reruns

[mighty solar]

So reruns in this game can happen just 1 patch after?

[raven bane]

and how long would it take for her dkey to rerun

[quick birch]

that's the norm

valks usually get a rerun after their release patch

[spiral badge]

if you want to review patch history, check out this site https://www.arustats.com/en-us/hi3/timeline/7.9

we can't make any full guarantees unless it's revealed officially in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

beware hoyo doesn't always follow a pattern either

but overall it's as mango has said

[quick birch]

sadly dkey reruns have been very unpredictable though they're more likely to rerun in anniversary/spending event patches from our recent experience

[mighty solar]

Like Elys new dkey now?

[spiral badge]

also we're talking alot about reruns but please beware for long term meta f2p purposes to maximize crystal gain, reruns are heavily not recommended

[mighty solar]

What about kind of older valks like Badum/reruns after the first one in general?

[raven bane]

should i go for seele skin + her dkey (and of course herself) or hohe dkey or hle with weapon

i can just wait for hle if she will have a rerun earlier than the others

[quick birch]

at a certain point it gets kinda unpredictable, they're more likely to rerun since they are a new battlesuit but hoyo does not really follow a certain pattern with that

[spiral badge]

we can't decide if you should go for a skin or not. Skins are purely cosmetic so for meta/gameplay purposes they are wasteful. At that point it's up to your personal preference and you need to weigh out your own balance

as far as general recommendations go, if your spending budget is limited (f2p, light spending) we're generally going to recommend rolling on a new release rather than a rerun

but if you feel you have any special considerations, then please elaborate on what you find appealing with hohe/horb dkey

if you already own hle valk, try to get her weapon before the banner goes away

[raven bane]

i dont own hle and i want hohe/horb dkey because uhh they look cool and makes them strong too

[spiral badge]

making them strong is a bit weird to say. Certainly it makes them modern with astral ring functions and performing similar to other new releases, but they're not particularly stronger than other new releases.

If using them as a dps, keep in mind these are older valks so competing veterans will have them at higher ranks than you do.

but if you like it that's certainly a fair reason

Just beware of the cost and lesser mileage you're getting out of them

[raven bane]

i meant to say stronger than their base versions

[spiral badge]

well in that case, keep in mind it's important to consider how strong they are relative to other things in the current meta

after all making a weak valk stronger isn't too meaningful if they are still lackluster in the grand scheme of things

[raven bane]

waifu over meta 🗣️

[spiral badge]

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if you don't already own hle, we're kinda nearing the end of her banner that you may opt to skip her and focus on newer releases instead

perhaps she can be a rerun candidate to pull if you're focused more short term and/or if the next valk release isn't too appealing but this is overall a rare exception.

[spiral badge]

certainly fair and it's fine to deviate from meta recommendations for that

although i will still talk about meta just for your awareness to balance out on your own terms, and i can't decide your levels of waifu-ness for you ofc

[raven bane]

did they reveal who will come after ||rita||'s banner? (not rerun like actual new character)

[spiral badge]

i doubt it but you can check in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

anyway i hate to be abrupt but i need to step away for now

but other regulars and profs can help in the meantime

[quick birch]

most of the new characters get revealed for CN when we are ~ week 3 into the patch so no not yet

[raven bane]

you can get the skins early like normal banners right? or you must spend all of that 7k crystals?

[quick birch]

theoretically you can get them early but it's extremely unlikely and never try to pull the skins without being able to guarantee,
it's like an 80%+ chance that you get it at the last pull

[raven bane]

damn

got it earlier than i expected

less goo

[spiral badge]

👏 👏 👏

[raven bane]

now my account is bricked 🔥 🔥

[muted shoal]

you hit a 3.9%

[glad ice]

isnt horb in that box

next to the outfit

[muted shoal]

I see Roza BK PX

[maiden garden]

Do I need to synergise it?(Or it's fine this way only)
If I need to synergise, where can I find dupes?

[glad ice]

asterite shop sell its part. 120k/part. u need 3 parts for 1 dupe

[serene crystal]

You do not need to synergize it gives a fairly minor dmg buff but as VBm doesn't really deal damage herself it mostly doesn't matter.

[maiden garden]

I see

So i just lvl it up and pri arm it?

[shell basin]

You’ll want it for competitive purposes eventually but it’s only a minor improvement and if you don’t have FDD or Vita you might stop using her in abyss before you have the asterite for it

It’s a small bonus and there are more influential asterite purchases

[serene crystal]

You can't pri arm it but yes

[maiden garden]

I see

Well I'm prioritising vbm fragments for sss rn

[maiden garden]

Oh i see

Thanks

What stigs vbm uses? Also atk affixes right?

[glad ice]

u can ignore the affix of her as she is 100% a support

[storm lantern]

ogier t fhm mb for cope but tsiolkovsky is her sig set

[glad ice]

u can craft her part2 set in foundry

[shell basin]

Yeah, crafting tsiolkovsky is useful if you have prisms but lower priority than gacha battlesuit stigs

And no point of crafting until you can make all 3

[maiden garden]

Got all 3 but not enough resources to lvl em up yet

Lower priority than lvlin the unit and weapon itself?

[storm lantern]

dont bother upgrading tsiol unless you have a roo dps and even then only upgrade the one that buffs ele, vast majority of the buffs are in 3pc

[shell basin]

Yeah don’t level Tsiolkovsky

Level 35 is still useful

[maiden garden]

Roo? Oh the ring
Well I only have goi so ig that means I don't have to

[maiden garden]

It's cheap getting to that so I'll do it eventually (very broke rn 😭)

Thanks guys!

My team almost done

Now have to watch vids to learn rotations

[storm lantern]

try to do this as little as possible but you can buy some coin mats from starter manual

wait until you actually need to for an endgame mode though

[maiden garden]

I don't have it anymore, or atleast don't see it anywhere

Lvl 81 rn

I didn't even get jade knight coz I took a break midway

Atleast I got hov ig

[trim matrix]

are "skippable" valks/patches not a thing anymore?

[glad ice]

yeah

[maiden garden]

They were a thing?

[glad ice]

yes. in part1 there were A rank, S rank and Herrschers

[maiden garden]

As long as I have known about part 2, I thought you always pull the new valk if you can afford it with gear

So that comes out to skipping one patch between pulls

[maiden garden]

Oh part 1 makes sense

Joined late

[shell basin]

There are some Valkyries that are easier to skip than others but this is usually more about your roster than the Valkyrie, eg it was easier to skip sparkle if you had simp

[maiden garden]

Btw is it fine to just have one astral ring type?
Or it's better to eventually get different ones

[shell basin]

Okay so each battlesuit can (almost always, VBS exists ig) support multiple rings

Eventually you will want supports for every ring, since new releases might not be for whatever ring you are focusing on

But the priority is getting new releases and teams for them

Having support tags will just happen over time

For instance HLE has GoI, WoD, and WS support tags

So she can support dpses in any of those rings

[novel path]

doesnt hle take too much field time to support tho?

or what would her rot be as supp

[shell basin]

No? She can set her buffs with QTE or WA

(And if you WA you then usually ult after for Stellar Drain)

And then you can switch out to your dps again, most of the time

[novel path]

ok nice good to know

did it wrong this abyss tho

gonna try again tomorrow might get a better time

used her as supp for mad

[shell basin]

Does your thelema have gear?

[novel path]

yeah full

upgraded

finished her today

completly out of all mats tho xD for sigmas and weapons

not ready for the new valk at all

[shell basin]

Well at least you have supports for her

[spiral badge]

(for future reference you can usually check the 3pc effect for the main team buff effect on astral ring valks)
-# although note some valks may have additional or primary effects elsewhere. Like thelema's weapon or vita's ult.
https://i.imgur.com/KNSrnZ5.png

[novel path]

shouldnt i see those buffs above the health bard tho

its so hard to keep track of the buffs

[spiral badge]

i don't think so but most effects are 25s nowadays

so you can kinda approximate based on another buff that may display above your hp bar

otherwise you can record/preplan/track with the upper right timer

[novel path]

good idea

thanks

[spiral badge]

that's honestly something more advanced to do later when execution becomes more important against other players but yeah

once you play enough you do kinda get a sense of "ok within these buff timers i can do the main dps sequence once or twice or three times before i need to rebuff" or other things along those lines

[novel path]

tbh feels like i already needed this, cause i wasnt doing it properly and that might be the reason im locked in agony II this last weeks

[spiral badge]

you can always show your runs too and have us give you detailed feedback

otherwise my other advice is to look up a reference run, and not copy it blindly but instead try to think about the purpose of each action they choose to do

[novel path]

will record tomorrow my run of this abyss with hle and thelema , so u can see if or what im doing wrong

[spiral badge]

while it's important to know the general rotation and sequence, hi3 optimization is a matter of finding the best fit of damage/time for the boss' hp

so optimization means learning to fine tune your general sequence

so it's alot better to learn what you can learn in bits and pieces and add and remove when necessary

but again this is all more advanced

[spiral badge]

i may not be around but yeah just post it and me or others can help

[novel path]

alright thanks for the tips ❤️

[spiral badge]

#💁gameplay-help message
#💁gameplay-help message
A few examples of what such detailed help may seem like

[low ridge]

Is this good agony 3

My Thelma only got 600

[spiral badge]

An RL score with dreamseeker op is already getting 777 so a proper thele should be higher in agony 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY29GwyXS9o

Maybe you can elaborate more on your full team and gears and ranks? You can also show what you're doing

but also you may not as high of a score to gain/retain trophies depeneding on your bracket competition too

and agony2 might be more lax

[low ridge]

That’s ss

[spiral badge]

Yes. Although if your thele rank is less it might balance out with the abyss tier difference

[low ridge]

But mine is fully geared, but not fully leveled up because I’m low on materials

[novel path]

just one more thing why do pll keep pressing pause like 2/3 times during the runs

[low ridge]

I don’t have sena

[spiral badge]

It can depend on the scenario.

• A common reason may simply be to check and confirm something before proceeding
• a mechanical reason is to wait for sp pack drops. they need to fully bounce to the ground before being collectable but pausing doesn't stop that and lets you collect earlier than normal

[novel path]

u could use the trial sena since shes theres just for the elemental breach, thats wha tpll told me today

[spiral badge]

this is for abyss right? trials aren't available there

That screenshot was prob for story

[novel path]

oh mb then

[low ridge]

I don’t actually have her trial. That’s just where that screenshots from the part two story and plus I don’t think you can use trials in competitive modes

[novel path]

omg the sp packs its such a cheat thanks

[low ridge]

Yea but her stuff is low that’s probably why my hle did better

[spiral badge]

yeah possibly

If you're still sticking with thele then the highest damage team is possibly Vita and HLE supports, but vita's main buff effect is from her ult which is quite slow to reach.
If you have enough damage and just need something faster then maybe try VBm coralie

Otherwise for HLE it's only really FDD and PAWS for supports

[low ridge]

I’m not sweating it yet, but if people start placing above me, I guess I’ll have to level her up

[spiral badge]

yeah but only if you have resources to spare

[low ridge]

The team I used was hle fdd and paws

[spiral badge]

if you're looking to pick up the next new release valk in a few weeks definitely reserve some materials for her. She'll see possibly more uses

given your circumstances i obviously am not going to expect a standardized score at this point but yeah again i don't expect scores to be too strong in lesser tiers so maybe you can still get away with it

if you still want further help, we can talk about more details in the fight itself

usually the main trouble with raven is handling transition phase and farming from it effectively

[low ridge]

I just recently started saving because I just got fdd I already have 20 pills

[spiral badge]

HLE might also have an advantage here because she can end her outburst early and be more ready to resume it in p2

for future reference, keep in mind reruns are typically not recommended but FDD is one of the more controversial ones so it's better than others at least

[low ridge]

I know, but I just really liked her design and stuff and plus I didn’t have somebody else with the symbiosis trait or whatever it’s called for my hle team but I don’t really regret it because now after I got her my hle is doing insane dmg and I have fdd best team and now I have dps vitas team so it opened up a lot of doors

[spiral badge]

yeah it makes sense short term. It's just long term it may not pay off as well

if you like her then it's even more justified too.

i can give some opposing arguments if you're interested for enrichment/insight purposes but this is also an excessive rabbit hole, and again FDD was controversial so it's fine really

[low ridge]

What do you mean controversial?

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-sat-meme-i'm-sat-gif-i'm-sat-meme-reaction-meme-gif-17661845417922560109

[spiral badge]

normally any rerun is more highly not recommended to pull

but FDD's one of the reruns that's more ok and acceptable

[low ridge]

I heard that she replaced Vita as the best support

[spiral badge]

not exactly but in some cases yes

and main arguments for her can be

• she's generally a team breach support than vita for LoA (except in some cases both are still used like bleed hos)
• she's the only team breach support for GoI (but you can get away without team breach)
  • and overall she's usually one of the best for her support roles (but you also don't necessarily need the best to do decently and retain in RL)
• she's still recent and is a current general best so she might have a stronger persistence in staying in the meta (edit: i have alot of opposing arguments for this including past examples of sena and vita)

[novel path]

omg SOOOO MUCH better i think i was doing thelma ult without hle buffs never did 300k like i did this run, always did 100k

[spiral badge]

well i post that for now but again it's a rabbit hole

[novel path]

my previous was 720 now got 799

[spiral badge]

uh how long is this video file supposed to be. discord embed is only giving me 0:00 lol

https://i.imgur.com/AMYCKib.png

[novel path]

it was charging maybe

its 1.45

[spiral badge]

if the video size is less than 250mb then try streamable

oh nvm i refreshed and it's working

[low ridge]

I really was not expecting fdd to be as fun/cool as she is to me her kits not even that big it’s really simple but I don’t know why but it’s really reignited my passion for the game I used login just play for a week or two just get the character and then quit playing for like a month or two, but now, I really want to get a better understanding of the game and get a little bit more competitive too

I really like Castorice from hsr so ig that’s why I like her design

[kind hull]

why dont I have the SW emblem?

[low ridge]

do it in challenge mode maybe idk

[spiral badge]

• HLE's weapon active can prob be done sooner at the start of the fight
• consider turning off thelema's QTE. It's not usually worth it for her as a dps role in abyss
• your thelema attacks look quite messy
  • alot of her attacks are incomplete, and you evade cancel them before gaining your banquet dot
  • you did some repeated sequence like at 1:00. Thele rewards you for doing different attacks for the following meter dot you gain. Do not repeat an attack from the 6th dot to the first dot either. That still counts as a repeat (0:20)
  • i can link a more advanced guide on what to consider for each attack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPip4sAJLUo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrt3ZAnHb94 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNYQabcAfT0 i haven't actually seen this third one yet. Beware each can be around half an hour long
  • but otherwise alot of people default to ground attack as basic 3a > weapon tap > weapon hold > evade cancel > repeat
  • or air weapon 3a > weapon tap > hold A (also known as CA)
• for transition you should prob stay as thelema. Normally we use this period to farm evasions for ARI for outburst but yours is already full. However you can still do it to farm team sp and thele has a mechanic where evading lets her deal additional instances of damage on her next attack.
• outburst generally refreshes most if not all your support effects. No need to rebuff with HLE if you're going to outburst asap after transition.
• your leader dps is thelema but you did your p2 outburst with HLE? edit:There can be weird times this can be ok but in this case you're playing a wheel of destiny team. If you enter outburst as HLE, you should swap to thelema immediately
• again start p2 with outburst. you clearly had way too much damage and plenty of outburst time leftover the way you ended the fight here

[kind hull]

also done that

[low ridge]

Damn

[spiral badge]

i don't think this is obtainable anymore. It may have been event only. give me a minute to check

[lyric hornet]

What weapons do I craft to convert into the blue weapon resonance?

[novel path]

thanks a lott ❤️ gonna try again

[spiral badge]

oh i forgot to say, you also ignored alot of raven's mechanics in this fight. Evading her attacks increases the boss meter and lets you counter attack her sooner. Whether you want this or not may depend on how the fight is planned out to be though

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429114782684151818/1259598807516053554/2024-07-07_15-42-19.mp4
I also have this video in regards to evade farming with thelema for the fight, although again it's not relevant to your needs

but maybe it can be of reference to others here

actually hieu le prob did something similar in their video earlier so this was prob unnecessary lol

[spiral badge]

bounty weapons that aren't dkeys

3rd sacred relic is cheapest but you may consider others just to add more to your collection log

[spiral badge]

if it means anything, i don't have it either https://i.imgur.com/OItEO2S.png

so yeah prob past event only and no longer obtainable

[novel path]

only by changing not going hle for rebuff and doing the ba3 and weapon+ w hold already got to 821, gonna start asking for advice on more abyss, this was my best score since starting the game

[spiral badge]

if you still want more help feel free to keep asking

[novel path]

i didnt know using the astral on thema would activate hle buffs

[spiral badge]

but yeah that might be enough for agony

[spiral badge]

let's go back to this

All team members gain heart's splendor for 25s after...

• Enemies are hit by
  • weapon skill
  • qte
• Entering outburst
• entering the battle as leader
  Retriggering refreshes the duration.

maybe that makes it easier to understand

[novel path]

yeah, gonna need to read all the support stigmas tbh havent paid much atttention to theem until today

[spiral badge]

you have four ways to trigger your team buff

in game text can be difficult to parse, and may not be consistent or even be mistranslated at times

so feel free to ask how to read a particular description too

[novel path]

will do thanks again ❤️

[spiral badge]

oh i maybe see why you swapped to sena in transition but you got the idea wrong

in hieu le's video, they swapped to sena to ult. This triggers HLE's QTE. They used HLE's QTE to hit the silver bullets raven shoots at you. You can hear the clang upon her QTE'ing in (the dark red ravens aren't hitable). https://i.imgur.com/1BjIkLY.jpeg

This refreshes HLE's buff. Sena's buff is still active as you can see above thelema's hp meter. So the early actions in phase 2 are buffed before they outburst.

[novel path]

yeah , this time didnt go to sena, i think like u said my dmg for our rank is too much, that the time i would waste doing these mechs is not worth it, but yeah i was copying +/- or trying to a video i saw on honkai chat on bilibili

[spiral badge]

yeah. Just trying to explain things for future reference really

especially if you go to higher abyss and can't skip as much stuff

[novel path]

yeah im glad to take all the tips pll have, i plan to rank up to redlotus and then retain there, for me nirvana would be too sweaty and i dont plan to even pull astralop

[spiral badge]

you can see in the video the last time they buffed with HLE was from triggering outburst at 0:37 in the video (9s in game time)
Raven only became vulnerable again at 39s in game time which is more than 25s

so that's why they needed to rebuff

[spiral badge]

sounds like a plan

[sweet flax]

btw the benefit to entering nirvana is a grand total of 🥁 40 crystals per week (the emblem is a better reward)
so dont feel like you need it for better crystal income

[spiral badge]

turn off sena's QTE too btw.

QTE grants an attack or specific effects from it depending on the valk** but generally incurs a longer swap cd on the valk swapping out**. So it's very case by case whether you want it or not.

Sena's QTE as a dps is appreciable since we get to skip alot of her lackluster basic attacks with it. The QTE itself does damage too. However, in this case she's a support and she's not doing any of that stuff. We want to swap her in to ult and to swap back to thele later as soon as possible. The animation of the QTE itself delays how early we can ult too.

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Thelema's QTE is an animation so it delays you from starting your regular attacks. It does invoke time fracture but we have no benefit of that here. Time fracture doesn't slow down the abyss timer, and we don't need it for any further effects it can trigger for this fight/plan. Some bosses can be slowed by it but that may or may not be desirable.
The main effect of interest is the two banquet dots it adds to your meter but i don't think these banquets have bonus damage as opposed to other sources.

there can be times where the time fracture is appreciated (Arena timer is slowed by it) or if the bonus on the banquets aren't important, and instead the full meter finisher (MoI) is more important (e.g. if thelema is a support in some cases)

but anyway maybe this is too much info.

i bolded the main thing to consider

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adding to what asumara is saying: if you can perform well enough in nirvana, you can also gain further crystals in myriad (top 100 or top 50 of the server). But for now no need to consider that yet.

[trim matrix]

are "skippable" valks/patches not a thing?

[ancient needle]

After the patch length increase not really

Though 8.6 does look like it's relatively fine to skip if you have to

[amber finch]

im sacrificing 5 goats to satan for better luck instead

[trim matrix]

But f2p only get 25k /patch and monthly 31k, monthly + bp 33k, and valk guarantee is 40k, so how is that possible...? (those were the numbers on Marisa Impact for this patch)

[outer spruce]

if you don't have enough to pull valk + weapon, you're forced to skip anyway

[amber finch]

you dont start a patch with 0 crystals

thats why

even if you start saving now then you’re going into 8.6 with like 10k

and dont forget the free 5 equip card + discounted first 10 for p2 banners

[outer spruce]

not to mention, you're not guaranteed to hit hard pity every patch

[trim matrix]

Is there any soft pity system?

[outer spruce]

it's supposed to be after 75 pulls for the valk banner but the rates don't seem to go as high as other hoyo games

i wouldn't rely on it

[trim matrix]

okk tyy

[outer spruce]

weapon banner doesn't seem to have soft pity though

[amber finch]

basically just dont rely on soft pity saving you

[lavish crystal]

Is there a way to get weapons in the game that aren't just the banner weapons?

[amber finch]

exchange shop, reserve shop in battlepass, foundry

just a heads up, i can guarantee you that about 90% of them are useless

the other 10% are divine keys that give your account permanent buffs to all of your valkyries (they are still basically unusable in the meta)

[lavish crystal]

Damn, I was hoping to get some stuff in case I can't get the banner to cough up one for Elysia

[amber finch]

if you have hohe's divine key (it is not key of ego) then you can use that on her

if not then anything with the highest attack or craft the foundry bow (do not upgrade or level it pass 35)

[lavish crystal]

I only have the light string bow but I'll look into the foundry bow as a for now thing

[amber finch]

she wont really deal damage with the foundry bow btw

you're basically forced to use her as a support

if you're a new player then she's of course still usable as a dps

[lavish crystal]

I'm like lvl 53, but idk much of the game. I figured since I just got her she'd be a good character to start building with

[amber finch]

definitely is a good pull

try to grind as much crystals as possible for her weapon

[lavish crystal]

Will do! And ty for the help!

[amber finch]

[glossy laurel]

who's next after hle? idk who to get next

[primal heron]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[ancient needle]

Save until the next patch

If you meant who's next after HLE banner-wise, #💁gameplay-help pins have the current patch's schedule

The valk that reruns right after HLE is not recommended to get at all

[formal canyon]

I had gotten lantern early from a free pull in the returnee part and I was wondering if she’s useless on my account

[storm lantern]

shes useless on every account

[spiral badge]

you don't have much currently so until you get better units in the future perhaps you can still make use of her as a budget support for teams her tags matches in. Her tags are domain resonance (for world star led teams) and harmonized shadow star (for wheel of destiny led teams)

but without her weapon but also even with her weapon she's mostly a dated and lackluster unit. Don't invest in her more than you have to. Do not spend crystals on her especially.

[waxen wharf]

So question in regards to this #☕general-chat message

So will the Elysia I have, now using pure love's whisper, still be good for part 2 content?

This is her btw. I thought it was the banner character. She was given to me as a returnee

I started using her for some of the universal mirage stuff and she's been pretty good

[quick birch]

No, hohe needs her dkey to actually function in p2 teams in general

This is just a stat stick on her now

[waxen wharf]

is the dkey her weapon I'm assuming?

[quick birch]

Yes divine keys are weapons, recently their purpose was to give P1 units access to the astral ring system

[waxen wharf]

Ah okay which is going to be the P2 content stuff. Yeah I'm still going through Part 1

Well that really sucks and is what I was concerned of. Didn't know when I was pulling on the weapon I should have checked to be sure. Wasted my crystals

I wanted to do some extra content stuff though to break up grinding the story

Only reason I realized was because in BP missions it had unlock battlesuit Hi Love Elf and I clicked it then it dawned on me. I done messed up lol

[waxen wharf]

Well wasn't a complete waste at least I suppose. Ultimately I was able to do some side content like I wanted. Maybe when the current character banner eventually reruns I'll pick her up

[waxen wharf]

Okay real question too just so I don't waste anymore resources. Are all P1 units basically useless then? Unless I have whatever Dkey weapon for them then?

[lone crater]

they r basically useless yea

outside of occasional ma

[waxen wharf]

That sucks. I really like a lot of them

You know I did actually get the weapon before the guarantee hit so I guess it isn't too bad

[lone crater]

well u see them trying to retain some old players with reviving old valks with dkeys, but its alr too late

[shell basin]

Some of them will very occasionally have weathers, for instance Luna has a weather later this patch, but they're rare and getting rarer

[waxen wharf]

I can see why. If I had been a long time player and my favorite units became completely obsolete in part 2 I wouldn't be happy at all. Doesn't affect me as much but is still a bummer. I'm guessing the Dkeys are obtained through that dorm thing I can't access yet because I'm not Lvl 50

[shell basin]

The stellar keys are obtained through gacha

hohe's is rerunning in like 5 days and hofi two weeks after that

[lone crater]

the dkeys u see in dorm\gene limits, are obtainable via weekly challenge that you just use lite on,

[waxen wharf]

Dang and I just wasted my crystals to get the wrong weapon

Guess I'll understand better once I actually hit lvl 50. I'm pretty close

[simple zinc]

y'all why are my cutscenes japanese when i have my language set to chinese

[charred burrow]

Yeah the cutscenes and patch trailer are all japanese
Hoyo just want it that way

[simple zinc]

oh okay no prob i was just wondering if i had something messed up in my resource downloads lol

[maiden garden]

So someone with not enough teams what do I run for ma

Thinking of hle against the duo
Paws against sampo

But what about assuka, hofs works? Or do I run vbm

[naive obsidian]

how can i get a marco polo stigma? Im lvl 30 and thats the only quest i need to get past start manual

[sweet flax]

Beginner manual

Check your training shop

Marco polo, Darwin and fhm should be there alongside a bunch of crystals and jk

[naive obsidian]

aight, btw how can i use the stigma options i got from daily logins? Says i own 1 but idk how to use

[sweet flax]

Inventory, you dont need to use it unless you are missing 1 piece otherwise you can end up with dupes and waste resources crafting another piece

[naive obsidian]

where can i check inventory? been trynna find it for quite some time now

[sweet flax]

Equipment on the main menu > materials tab

I think it should be the 3rd tab on the left under weapon and stigmata

[naive obsidian]

thx man 🫶

[zenith vale]

Is it a really a bad idea to pull on ascension supply if I don’t have the valk? ||I saw that sleepy Teri is coming soon with an ascension supply ||

[sweet flax]

Ascension supply is targeted towards whales for older valks

Pity doesnt carry over, you are forced to garuntee if you want to pull on it

Also teri is a terrible valk at this point and time

!faq adv

[small willow]

ADV Supply

Be careful, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's summary [here](#👶beginner-help message) as to why ADV is extremely bad to pull.

ADV Supply is designed to help Captains advance the rank of the Valkyrie on it. The main reasons why it is a terrible investment are as follows:

• Lower drop rate (1% compared to Battlesuit Supply's 1.5%).
• Pity DOES NOT CARRY! Therefore, you need 28k crystals before you even consider pulling this supply.
• ALL Valkyries in ADV are too old to be investing crystals into, unless you are a competitive whale.
• Stamps obtained cannot be used to unlock the Valkyrie.

Also see !faq backpull

[abstract sequoia]

she wasn't really good to begin with

Sparkle took most things from her, except where she was needed anyway

[sweet flax]

P1 synergy and some quantum shill on her patch were nice, she wasn't outright useless but thats where her use cases ended

Unfortunately this isnt her patch anymore and shes officially useless

[shell basin]

If you really want a Valkyrie for collection purposes ascension supply is typically their last chance banner, and you have to either buy bpass or wait a year or two to get them otherwise. If you want her for meta purposes there’s no point

[abstract sequoia]

expecting full pity is a must either way

[shell basin]

Yeah no point is poking rolls

[abstract sequoia]

especially with drop rate being lower than normal battlesuit banners

[waxen wharf]

what even is adv

[abstract sequoia]

see the faq above

[sweet flax]

I was about to yap

Forgot I already sent it

[abstract sequoia]

is the image only broken for me btw?

[shell basin]

Yes

[abstract sequoia]

okay

[sweet flax]

It's a homu ticket no?

[abstract sequoia]

oh, there was extra space below the text

but it's gone now after reloading discord

[waxen wharf]

So. Is that the dorm supply valks? Whatever all I need to know is only pull new stuff

Which means don't pull anything probably for a few months

[sweet flax]

It's its own thing

Newer valks have their final (non-event) banner as an ascension supply

For p1 it's called adv

Atp there are no more adv supplies, but ascension and adv share the same downside (except ascension is 1.5% rate same as battlesuit supply)

[shell basin]

Dorm supply they give u free tickets for, you can use those tickets (though it’s usually advised to save 20 for spending events)

But yeah never spend crystals on dorm

[proud maple]

8.5 is ending on 1st January right?@sweet flax

[sweet flax]

Banner schedule in gameplay pins i dont remember

[proud maple]

Not banner..I mean the entire patch

[sweet flax]

Last day of final banner (rs banner ends on jan 1) is the last day of patch

[proud maple]

Sigh!

[zenith vale]

Ya my main concern is how I also heard it’s gonna be my last chance bc typically Valks who show up with an ascension will never get a banner anymore and that was hitting my FOMO enough to ask

[zenith vale]

Sorry! Dunno what happened to my reply not replying you

Ahhh… so it’s either I take a massive bad investment or I just wait until she hits the bp store / other shops?

[shell basin]

Yeah. She might have a giveaway before then but there’s no guarentees

[waxen wharf]

Ahh so ascension must be those shards or whatever. Yeah I was getting those for flamescion kiana because she looked dope

[shell basin]

It’ll probably be between 1-2 years before she’s free but no promises

[waxen wharf]

Dude they got way too much going on. They need to just throw old characters into a single shop and have an item like the companion spirits in hsr

[zenith vale]

Okayyy thank you that confirms it then. Hmm guess I’ll think about just taking the bad investment lol I really wanna collect her

[sweet flax]

Man if only a shop like that existed and was called something like "reserve shop" or even "war treasury"

Would be crazy if older valks were farmable

Sorry for the sarcasm

[waxen wharf]

That's my point though. You have multiple different shops and currencies for them

Instead of just put them all in one spot and say "Hey these are old characters"
And you get them with one currency

[shell basin]

everyone old is in reserve works it's just some battlesuits get extra shops too 👼

you can get all old battlesuits with 1 currency

[sweet flax]

Why would they share currency though? One is the battle pass the other is memorial arena's shop

Every other gacha game during hi3's time did the same with their shops this is nothing new

Also the star rail shop is severely different than the hi3 ones as those units can see use, better not to draw comparisons when they arent the same game

Same company =/= same game design or ideas

[waxen wharf]

And then you have to click through like 5 different menus to find it lol

[shell basin]

True. Having to click and read in a video game should be illegal

[sweet flax]

Especially in gachas

[waxen wharf]

You're really purposely misconstruing bad design

[sweet flax]

How dare they make us read

[waxen wharf]

It is what it is. Not a big deal but don't act like that couldn't definitely be designed better lol

[sweet flax]

It is bad design but the game is old as well, they cant just change the menus without changing the main foundation the game is built on

So I see no point complaining since hoyo is lazy and will never do that

[waxen wharf]

Also you can try not to be an arse

[sweet flax]

Unless cn begs then maybe

[sweet flax]

The only time I was an arse was earlier which I also wrote "sorry for sarcasm"

[sweet flax]

.

I've been typing normally since

[waxen wharf]

Yeah whatever dude

[sweet flax]

Aight then

[eternal spindle]

what do i do?
i am this weird spot where i keep getting demoted from redlotus to agony and go back up the next reset in qmanifold lvl 70, redlotus stage always take ages to do and i cant clear f7 in time

[sweet flax]

This is a main struggle you will face in masters redlotus, its mostly a skill/team check as youre closing in on breaking through to exalted

Feel free to share the team you are using, you can also record a run to see where the issues in your gameplay (if applicable) exists

Gear is usually the main issue in trying to retain rl, but some weathers and scenarios can be demanding if the requirement arent met

[zenith vale]

I’d like to piggyback off that question. The gap between redlotus and agony is really bad. When I got demoted I could finally clear again until f10 while in red lotus I could barely do any damage

Is it a bad idea to just keep getting demoted and promoted between the ranks? All I lose is the crystals when I cant** clear in RL right?

[eternal spindle]

i have literally only have 1 budget hle team to faceplant every content currently and i think my rotation is fine
it just takes so long to do anything

[sweet flax]

Ye disturbance is slightly spiked due to campers in masters, budget teams will struggle fairly, is hle geared?

[sweet flax]

Promoting to rl gives you rl finalisation rewards so bouncing is better than retaining agony only

And the message above this explains the difficulty increase

[eternal spindle]

yea she is 4/4, im getting more vbm frags for eventual sss but i cant really do much to improve aside from just waiting for new units

[zenith vale]

Okayyy. I guess that makes me feel better for accidentally scoring well last night into the promotion zone

I was trying to retain because it felt extremely bad barely getting past f1 in RL last cycle :S

[sweet flax]

That's understandable, im assuming youre already familiar with how buffs are applied and the main rot, in which case not much more you can do since other progression factors are done over time such as dkeys or dorm levels

[zenith vale]

I guess I’ll just lose crystals every RL cycle then, demote and promote and start over xD is this how it goes??

[sweet flax]

Lack of gear and being unprepared will make rl feel horrible (when i originally played way back i couldn't get into agony ) your masters rank doesn't reflect your situation in the future

Everything takes time and the right mentality to get to a better position

[sweet flax]

Welcome to bouncing, at least until you are more comfortable from a account development standard

[waxen wharf]

What do you expect? You gave condescending sarcastic remarks instead of being helpful. Most people aren't receptive to that lol. It's whatever though no biggie

[zenith vale]

Wait there’s a term and it’s called bouncing 💀 yeah I can see it being a thing then until I can get more investment in Overtime while playing

[zenith vale]

You mean the disturbance thing right? I assume it’s like abyss genshin where there’ll be blessings to support X playstyle

[sweet flax]

Look ill apologise for the way I responded again but can we leave this out of the help channel since this will just derail the topic or have others unwilling to send their messages

Feel free to leave a report on me through mod mail if you want but im not going to get into this further

[zenith vale]

That’s what I can understand from it

[spiral badge]

Please stop continuing this topic. If you have any further complaints you can report it to the mod mail. This isn't the channel for opinions and comparisons to HSR. Regardless of how poorly the system is designed we don't control it and can only comment on how to work with it as is.

[abstract sequoia]

say, to solve this conflict I want to ask: what part are you calling out specifically, just the menuing?

[frozen crypt]

[abstract sequoia]

i mean i find this take fair enough, it's confusing, especially when you just start out as a beginner

[waxen wharf]

Oh I'm already dropping it water under the bridge

[spiral badge]

Move the talk to #off-topic-discussion

[sweet flax]

The abyss buffs and what not are more linked to the weather system which dictates what is buffed or not

Disturbance is a difficulty modifier that goes up or down depending on player performance in that rank and level

So higher disturbance, enemies are stronger, Weather determines if ice/fire/melee etc... are buffed or not

Think of higher disturbance as hp inflation

[zenith vale]

All player performance?? In that rank??

Is that why I was struggling so hard?

[sweet flax]

So masters rl, if the players are performing very well, dist goes up for masters rl
This won't affect masters agony

Hence why disturbance in masters is lower than exalted, skill issue and lack of account development leads to weaker results and helps balance the game automatically

Newer units being stronger than older ones also push the disturbance higher

[abstract sequoia]

is it more deterministic by players in masters compared to exalted?

[sweet flax]

Not too sure exactly, but afaik a3 disturbance isnt affected by rl or nirv or a2 etc...

[abstract sequoia]

yeah

[sweet flax]

And masters goes up differently than exalted

Otherwise lvl 35-55 abyss might be cooked if they're all affected

[abstract sequoia]

it's just a bit of a hard coded point difference between exalted ranks

[zenith vale]

Okay. Looks like I’ll be bouncing for awhile if it’s all players

[abstract sequoia]

especially within the multi-division ranks Sinful and Agony

[frigid osprey]

What are all the different divisions in the abyss? like the masters and stuff you guys are speaking on

[abstract sequoia]

Masters is considered below 81+

pre-breakthrough

Sinful, Agony and Redlotus are the only ranks

[sweet flax]

Exalted/masters are level based
Elite lvl 55-70
Masters lvl 70-80
Exalted lvl 81+

Agony sinful nirvana redlotus are all abyss rankings

Nirvana only being in exalted btw

[abstract sequoia]

Forbidden is also exalted exclusive, below Sinful

also, Sinful and Agony have 3 divisions in exalted

[sweet flax]

Unlikely you'll ever be in forbidden unless you ditch your account

Redlotus to forbidden decay takes months

[spiral badge]

there's two major kinds of divisions.

The first is your captain level. There's divisions such as elites, masters (lv 70-80), exalted (81 and above)

within each captain level tiers, there's further divisions based on your performance from a prior cycle. For masters and below it's sinful > agony > red lotus

but in exalted it expands to much more tiers like agony 1 > agony 2 > agony 3 > red lotus > nirvana

[sweet flax]

Hi sairaan

[spiral badge]

well ok the other two profs can explain it better than i can. time to retire lol

[abstract sequoia]

Nirvana also has extra rewards through Myriad, the server-wide Top 100 leaderboard

[spiral badge]

myriad isn't really a division to be clear but there are further rewards there making it significant

[frigid osprey]

Thank you all for the explanations I figured out the redlotus nirvana etc stuff because of being promoted but didnt understand the others

[sweet flax]

Could probs make a faq on this topic tbh

[frozen crypt]

I was just about to say lol new faq!!

[sweet flax]

If we got lyofaq to sign off on this i know its a good idea

[abstract sequoia]

could also tell beginners what the expected rank is in the faq

[sweet flax]

[spiral badge]

we kinda have something for superstring explaining the trophy system but yeah i suppose so

[abstract sequoia]

(A2-A3/RL bounce)

[frozen crypt]

Eeh that will depend on caslul or not

[abstract sequoia]

true

[frozen crypt]

But ya

[spiral badge]

every now and then you do see me throwing out a loose idea, but it's loose at best and doesn't belong in a formal faq imo

[abstract sequoia]

i feel like more beginners slipped down to A2, with A3 slowly reaching 500D

[frozen crypt]

If getting advice from this server even caslul should be a2 minimum if they actually play the game

[spiral badge]

and yet some don't. a decent amount of people stay completely away from abyss

which is fine if they don't want to engage with it

[eternal spindle]

ya i do think like this weird middle area of bouncing is really annoying/discouraging so having a pin explaining it would be great

[zenith vale]

I think the faq is a good idea. I had no clue what disturbance was and how it’s an overall players thing

[spiral badge]

disturbance is different from abyss divisions though

and not really a factor within the player's own individual control

[abstract sequoia]

definitely, the bouncing still remains relevant even for the RL/Nirv border

[zenith vale]

And I think explaining bouncing being a thing would help too. I feel less bad knowing it’s better to bounce than to retain now

Was deliberately playing bad to retain 💀 I’m already trauma’d by RL and I’m not even exalted (based on the explanations)

[frozen crypt]

Ykw I didn't even consider that bouncing would be discouraging

thank you for the insight

[sweet flax]

Not always better, keep in mind mentality can play a huge role
Patient players can see the benefit in bouncing while some others will find it annoying or downright discouraged from playing

[spiral badge]

yeah i was about to say

it can be but crystals may not be enough of a motivator

[maiden garden]

Wait what's bouncing...

[abstract sequoia]

masters has an encouraging subtext below the rank down text, completely disappears after exalted tho

[spiral badge]

bouncing is just the phenomenom of going across two abyss tiers constantly

you're too good for agony 3 but not good enough to stay in red lotus for example

[eternal spindle]

last reset u clear everything to f10 in 20min, u feel great, u get promoted
this reset u cant clear anything, cant get past f7 in an hour of retrys, and now ur dying a lil inside being demoted

[sweet flax]

Instead of retaining a lower rank, you jump between 2 ranks to get finalisation rewards of the higher rank when possible

[spiral badge]

it's not always done purposely

[eternal spindle]

it is honestly the most discouraging experience ive had since starting this game

[spiral badge]

although strictly in terms of rewards it's better to bounce than to purposely stay in a lower tier

[zenith vale]

Imagine barely getting to f3 and not even able to clear f3

[abstract sequoia]

it's a common occurance in any ranked gamemode honestly

[zenith vale]

That was me last RL cycle. I never felt so bad in a Hoyo game or gacha game

Ever

[spiral badge]

yeah if you find it discouraging, i think it's fine to stay in a more comfortable tier. Burnout is very real in this game.

[abstract sequoia]

skill differences will be made obvious by exposure with more skilled players

[spiral badge]

but if crystals can motivate you then go ahead and bounce

[abstract sequoia]

or just players who have better or more complete teams

[spiral badge]

personally i try to spice things up in a lower tier by playing weaker valks i like there

[maiden garden]

I see

So just playing the best you can basically?

[spiral badge]

yeah

[abstract sequoia]

you're doing everything right still if you're bouncing

only the Nirvana border needs more strategy to cross over in the right cycles

[zenith vale]

What about in the crystals earning sense? Is it better to just retain? Idk if it’s been mathed out

I tried looking this up but I couldn’t find anything

[eternal spindle]

nah if i hadn't ask i wouldnt have any idea that bouncing like this was normal and would just think i suck lmao

[spiral badge]

please also keep in mind it's very normal to take losses in abyss. We don't expect you to pick up every new release to cover every single situation. f2p income and average rates don't allow that.

But the idea of developing your account for abyss is you pick up enough new releases (valk and weapon) to cover a majority enough to stay in red lotus eventually (or for some players agony 3 is fine too)

[zenith vale]

Same xD

[eternal spindle]

especially if i didnt ask and was corrected on how to do my team's rotation, so i was confident that my skill wasnt the determining factor

[maiden garden]

I was in rl masters I think
Took a week long break
Now I'm agony exalted iirc

[spiral badge]

it sounds like you breakthrough before your break then demoted from inactivity?

[sweet flax]

Well I need to dip for a bit, so allow me to leave my final thoughts

I have explained the disturbance system multiple times in this channel and feel that having an in depth explanation ready at all times is beneficial (I forget a lot, im getting old )

Abyss system and the difference between tiers and rankings can be a bit more explained than the tiny info regarding q-mani/superstring in the breakthrough pin

Clarifying the benefits and downsides of bouncing and the threat of burnout will also give important insight

Overall im in favor of a new faq to cover this while not being too much info to dissuade players from reading, I like faqs where it can serve as side info while I explain to a beginner directly where needed

Thanks for letting me yap

[abstract sequoia]

best we make it as short as possible to not scare ppl with shorter attention spans

or you guys think more in depth explanation is better

[spiral badge]

my only concern is we don't fully know the way it's actually influenced

[spiral badge]

just have both

[sweet flax]

We can have it so the faq has a link to an in depth explanation

[spiral badge]

a short post with the short explanation leading to the longer one if desired for those seeing the faq

[sweet flax]

While the faq itself is the surface level important bits

[spiral badge]

!faq breakthrough

[small willow]

Breakthrough

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information regarding Breaking through to Exalted (Captain Level 81+).

Short Answer:

• It is highly recommended to break through for better rewards, but be aware that it is irreversible!

Also see !faq superstring regarding Exalted Abyss

[spiral badge]

like this one

[eternal spindle]

having a short faq and a ggdoc link/bigger thread for in-depth explaination is generally the best approach i think

[abstract sequoia]

then we can put potential theories into the in-depth part

as long as we cover multiple

[maiden garden]

Nvm I'm still somehow masters despite being 81

The confusion was due to ma showing exalted

I took the break before breakthrough

[spiral badge]

i really rather not go into theories since it's not confirmed but we can review that once it's written if you feel it's notable enough to include

[abstract sequoia]

yeah i know not direct facts, but people might want to look for eventual leads

[spiral badge]

the community can give that at that point, esp if any new ones or changes happens down the road. idk

but i'm very wary of tunnel visioning from it being in a faq

[spiral badge]

if you just brokethrough, you're not going to see changes immediately. They happen generally on next reset for the mode(?) or at least on the next week

[eternal spindle]

generally people who actually take the time to read the 5 page long thread will have common sense, mebe just me tho

[abstract sequoia]

you mean people won't consider other possibilities anymore if we include the theories in the faq

[spiral badge]

on the contrary that 5 page long thread might confuse people and make them miss the overall idea too

[spiral badge]

not just that. they might take it as facts or misintrepret something

[maiden garden]

Ah i see

So probably the next one

Thought was already in exalted and happy to be still clearing fast

[spiral badge]

anyway i'm just being wary but not strictly opposed

[sweet flax]

The following comments are based on speculation of observed data and is not in any way shape or form a garunteed or confirmed working system of how disturbance works:

Dist theory yap goes here

If they miss that

Then not much can be done

[spiral badge]

we already have stuff like soft pity on the bot since it's a popular topic, and dist can be a common discussion as well

[abstract sequoia]

Yeah

[spiral badge]

so again it boils down to how it's presented

[abstract sequoia]

I mean, I saw some leads that player performance did influence Disturbance, but also unexplained raises and drops

e.g. the occasionial +0 in NA/EU while the other global server went -1

[spiral badge]

well anyway i hate to be abrupt but this is really not something to discuss further here lol

[sweet flax]

Was about to say move channels lol

[abstract sequoia]

right sorry

[spiral badge]

i'm fine with talking about potential faqs based on other people's feedback here

but actually going into this is where we have to draw the line lol

[sweet flax]

We can discuss this further later if the faq idea is a go, until then im happy explaining everything regardless

[abstract sequoia]

if anyone else has any suggestions for this topic, feel free to chime in

[slim blaze]

I see

[abstract sequoia]

i mean it's for this channel

[abstract sequoia]

yeah i agree

[sweet flax]

#👶beginner-help message incase anyone is wondering what this is about

[frigid osprey]

Is it worth to use the elf/astralop special mats on the dreamseeker? I dont seem to have too many (I dont have any other astralops though..)

[abstract sequoia]

dreamseeker has their own rank up materials for free

[spiral badge]

i think they mean for unlocking/upgrading the skills

[abstract sequoia]

oh

[spiral badge]

yes it's fine. Dreamseeker is what you'll use for most intents and purposes anyway

if you need the materials for anything else like advanced skill materials for valk skills then you can prioritize accordingly

[abstract sequoia]

definitely worth, if the skill provides buffs

you can ignore skills that only provide healing and damage reduction

[frigid osprey]

Okay thank you

[spiral badge]

if you're f2p and meta focused for the long term, gacha astral ops are not recommended for the most part either

[frigid osprey]

Just out of curiousity have astralops been obtainable outside of gacha ever?

[abstract sequoia]

so far no

only the dreamseeker rank ups are obtainable through story chapters

[spiral badge]

i mean dreamseeker is default. ELFs technically can act as astral ops and are obtainable via non direct gacha means

but for the newer gacha only ones, no

[eternal spindle]

ive seen people recommending picking kiana elf frags from the spending event thingie but what do u use her for? ive read the faq about it but it sounds quite niche to warrant getting it

[shell basin]

At 4* she is better than DS sometimes on fire and lightning dps

[spiral badge]

it's niche yes. If you don't identify that niche you can leave the fragment or even whole elf box alone (assuming they don't expire. they typically don't)

at 3*

not only 4*

[shell basin]

she has pretty good buffs. 3* too but more rarely

[abstract sequoia]

Part 2 Chapter 4 and Part 2 Chapter 10 (the latest chapter)

[zenith vale]

What about other ELFs? Are they still obtainable?

[abstract sequoia]

yes

[spiral badge]

yes in the same manner as kiana elf

it's just kiana elf covers mainly fire and lightning

[shell basin]

Blood Embrance and Jingwei's wings are obtainable with asterite but they're bad. Other elves are gettable same way as Kiana elf

[spiral badge]

so she has more coverage and becomes the more defaulted choice if there must be one (but again it's niche so it really shouldn't be a default imo)

[shell basin]

Kiana Elf covers fire and lightning, Elysia ice, Project Bunny physical, no other elf really has a niche

[eternal spindle]

so basically the others are unreachable or all farmable so u pick the elf frag cuz it has atleast some relevance?

[zenith vale]

Honestly I’m just looking to collect ely elf. So that just means I wait for her fragments purchasable to return?

[frigid osprey]

I only have jingwei but I havent levelled any of it at all,, is that okay even tho its my only elf

[spiral badge]

unreachable isn't really the word. It's more like the others are irrelevant and obsolete

[slim blaze]

JW useless anywqys

[shell basin]

Jingwei is basically useless for P1 teams but p1 teams are dead outside of SS MA

so it doesn't matter

you'll just use dreamseeker

[spiral badge]

in the case of pb and ely elf, they're still valid but more niche

[slim blaze]

JW used to be useful since abyss used to kill you with bleed mechanic. But thats obsolete

[eternal spindle]

i meant like shadowbringer card and the rankup stamps, u need to spend a huge amount to get it so u kinda have to pick kiana frags?

[slim blaze]

I mean. Ur not forced to roll haha. Spending event is just a bonus

[spiral badge]

while the differences are tiny and niche, please beware the higher you go in abyss, the more you'll find other players that are competing with similar teams and performance, so these small differences can be the separation between you and someone else there

[abstract sequoia]

if you like old valks in ER, Jingwei can keep you alive where valks would die otherwise

[spiral badge]

if you have nothing else to consider then sure

[abstract sequoia]

only necessary for higher difficulties

and if you're relatively new, more experienced players can just evade and not end up in low hp situation right before boss floors

[spiral badge]

also adding to this, there can be fights where you are a smidge off finishing a boss phase before they punish you with a time consuming attack (edit: e.g. bosses becoming invulnerable like hephaestus, or bosses gaining high damage reduction like quantum enemies or shield regeneration like andrius or kasumi)

[abstract sequoia]

although some valk skills make evasion impossible

[slim blaze]

I mean i guess useful in that sense. But its easier to just use vbs so its not a requiremebt but more of a QoL

[abstract sequoia]

for just reward clearing sure

[slim blaze]

Then again. Burnout syndrome?

[abstract sequoia]

yeah

[spiral badge]

if we get into technicalities, the game is dynamic and flexible enough to allow just about anything lol

so let's stick with what's practical unless someone asks for something more focused to warrant it

[abstract sequoia]

I like to suggest variety for ER runs so it doesn't become a stale chore

simple as that

[slim blaze]

Fair enough.

I do ER last minute so i have that mentality

[abstract sequoia]

i see

i do it fairly early

also maxing out the 1k shop currency so i need to do more than one run

[spiral badge]

for pure collection it's more up to you but yeah just wait for a future opportunity for the ELF or ELF frags to be available. Maybe another spending event most likely or maybe anything else

[abstract sequoia]

major spending events are your safest bet really

like the one going on right now

[spiral badge]

just beware of opportunity costs, especially now that we're seeing astral ring valk cards being available

[abstract sequoia]

both can be obtained anyway, but be ready to save up more crystals

need to hit more currency goals if you want both

[spiral badge]

well at this point we're starting to treat spending event as a goal but as ber said earlier, it's better to treat it as a bonus from your more primary rolling in that patch

nothing you get from spending event is going to be majorly important. It's all old stuff

[zenith vale]

Ahh.. I maxed out the spender shop and did not buy a single fragment. Nooo 🥲 so I just wait for the next spenders event? Is that when ELF fragments will come back?

I started this patch like a week after its update so I’m not familiar with how often things return in shop

[spiral badge]

i can never guarantee how the future will be but historically, ELF frag boxes have been in spending events for a while now so probably

we do have a pin covering what to consider buying from the current shop. Ofc it's a bit too late now for you but maybe we'll keep that in the future

[frigid osprey]

How often are spending events?

[abstract sequoia]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion also has early notice for when spending events happen

[spiral badge]

There isn't really a concrete schedule but they happen regularly enough. Not always in the same format either

you can also check https://www.arustats.com/en-us/hi3/timeline/7.9 for past patch histories which does include past spending events

[zenith vale]

Not in the same format meaning?

[spiral badge]

meaning we can have a different kind of spending event

the idea is still the same

[abstract sequoia]

!faq spending event

[spiral badge]

where you roll in gacha to get event currency

[small willow]

Spending Events

Be careful, Captain!

Spending Events give you huge bonuses for spending Crystals and Supply Cards.

Not to be confused with [Top-Up Events](#👶beginner-help message)!

There are two types of Spending Event:

• ["Big" Spending Events](#👶beginner-help message)
• ["Mini" Spending events](#👶beginner-help message)

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

well there you go

[abstract sequoia]

they can happen whenever hoyo wants them to be, be it order or time difference inbetween

[spiral badge]

main thing for the mini one is you do not get the costume along the way. You have to pay for it with the actual currency

[slim blaze]

Idea is still the same anyways. Just treat em as bonus

But #bringbackrefundbanner

[frigid osprey]

Oh cool

[abstract sequoia]

top-up obviously is an event not relevant for f2ps

the bonuses aren't that good either tbh

spending events want you to spend crystals on banners, regardless how you got them

[spiral badge]

spenders can use it to stock up on bchips and monthlies ahead of time there

[zenith vale]

Wait there’s a topup event too? 😵‍💫

[slim blaze]

Mhmm

[frigid osprey]

Ngl i think this patch is when I started playing the game for free HoH then abandoned it and picked it back up 2 weeks ago for hle

[spiral badge]

i'm not sure if this statement really holds btw

[slim blaze]

Ngl

[spiral badge]

i feel i'm seeing random gaps or even top 7.7 > major 7.8 > top 7.9 > gap 8.0 > major 8.1 in the past patches

or maybe arustats didn't have everything idk

[spiral badge]

i'm not really sure how that relates to spending event trends tbh but feel free to elaborate if you need any help with that topic

[frigid osprey]

Just my offtopic ramble. but is the spending event the main way to collect elf fragments?

[spiral badge]

yeah

but there can be other lesser ways

• paid battle pass (prob not anymore)
• events (past elf box)
• pure witch orb (not practical. needs excess frags of a premium non farmable elf maxed out)

[abstract sequoia]

i retract that statement then, i must've misremembered

[spiral badge]

would be nice if we can predict them but at the very least we get foresight from CN as mentioned before

[abstract sequoia]

edited

[frigid osprey]

Probably last question for today but how to get different bridges? do those reoccur?

[abstract sequoia]

last opportunity was on chinese new year

all part 1 bridges were up for sale for crystals, with arc city costing b-chips

[proper quiver]

bro i cannot get 6000 points on the bottom abyss node

[sweet flax]

Which weather is the bottom node

[proper quiver]

50% fire

[sweet flax]

What are you using

[proper quiver]

im using fdd, small coralie, hle (no vita, hofi or paws)

[frigid osprey]

Okay cool i will hope they repeat it this upcoming year then thank you

[sweet flax]

What rank, this sounds like ungeared fdd lol

[proper quiver]

shes geared but her level is 60, her M,B stigmas are 40 and 45 respectively. also a3

[abstract sequoia]

Just so you can prepare, the price for each crystal bridge was 1580 xtals.
Arc City costs 2580 bchips, but also giving you 2580 xtals on purchase.

[frigid osprey]

Is it more economical to buy bchips for arc city then?

[sweet flax]

Her lvl is 60 or her weapon lvl is 60

[proper quiver]

weapon sorry

[abstract sequoia]

if you'd top-up anyway yes

[sweet flax]

Hmm

[abstract sequoia]

assuming you're not skipping a double topup bonus

[proper quiver]

im considering making small coralie steal someones stigmas cuz shes using the fire lady pne

if i had chenxue id be able to clear :/

[abstract sequoia]

emphasis on that, because last cny also had a crystal double topup reset

bchips never get topup resets

[proper quiver]

when will chexnue rerun? i cant get her now but i want her

[sweet flax]

Wait that set has no buffs

Wang right?

[proper quiver]

thats why i was thinking

[sweet flax]

Use glut t fhm mb

[proper quiver]

yes sr

[proper quiver]

what did you just say to me

[frigid osprey]

Okok thank you for the info. Im planning to use my big double top up to get HoH peachy spring outfit & dlc soon(so its good to know it'll reset after)

[frigid osprey]

She's out right now I think? The astral op?

[sweet flax]

Glossary in pins, theresa gluttony t, fu hua musician m and b pieces

[proper quiver]

cant afford her

[sweet flax]

And try rc instead of hle

[abstract sequoia]

our fortune telling is restricted to CN time travel

[proper quiver]

reverist calico?? is giving up the astral drain worth it? what does she evern buff

[proper quiver]

but like from past aops

how long in between reruns

[abstract sequoia]

it always varies

[shell basin]

??? no

fdd has an enormous bonus for 3pc p2 valks

way bigger than RC buffs

[waxen wharf]

Oh yeah I remembered what it was I originally wanted to ask earlier. Flamescion Kiana. I got 60 of her fragments so far. I just wanted to know what weapon to get for her (divine key or whatever) to make her viable

[spiral badge]

do you have any further idea of what you mean by viable? The reason why i say this is because meta wise, HoFS is completely obsolete now

[sweet flax]

Oh wait right

[proper quiver]

eliminating the competition ✌️

[shell basin]

When all team members are protected by Astral Ring, all enemies take 32% more Total DMG and Fire DMG from the character.

[waxen wharf]

Not meta or anything. Just for doing some of the extra content like q manifold abyss etc

[proper quiver]

abyss is the meta i fear

[abstract sequoia]

her signature is in exchange shop if you really want it

[spiral badge]

eventually q manifold becomes superstring dimension at captain level 81+, and that's where you compete against other players and how the meta matters

[waxen wharf]

Dang so like with the elysia situation I wasted my time on it. Ah well be what it be.

[spiral badge]

you may opt to never breakthrough and stay in masters and q-manifold forever though

[proper quiver]

if you mean hohe you can get her dlc and shell be Minorly usefull

[spiral badge]

but this isn't a typical choice. Do be sure to fully inform yourself with the breakthrough faq when the time comes

anyway let's get back to your original question

[storm lantern]

hofs has a useful leader skill for ss ma, not sure when you'll be able to take advantage of it but it's something

[abstract sequoia]

to obtain weapon resonance nowadays, you need to forge and convert bounty weapons

other than her signature, she is run with EoP in SS MA

[storm lantern]

at least one sss boss too but it requires too much for a new player to be able to use it

[abstract sequoia]

but that's more as a SP battery support

[maiden garden]

The hofi dkey
Is it rerunning soon

This patch only?

[waxen wharf]

Nice thanks. Guess I'll still grab it since I'm about to unlock her anyways. I'll just save everything else for future units that release

[shell basin]

In 2.5 weeks yes

it will probably run again at some point after this but unclear when

and there's no guarentee

[sweet flax]

3rd banner is already a lot of banners

[shell basin]

4th I thought

[spiral badge]

generally speaking signature weapons are very major and any alternative typically doesn't come close

closer alternatives may be

• tranquil arias (not the pri arm version. The pri arm is very different). This weapon also requires altering the way she rotates due to how it works
• maybe other newer kiana guns can work too if you already have them (e.g. Domain of Genesis has pri arm stats and still gives a 45% fire damage bonus)

[shell basin]

release, Badum, FDD, HLE

[spiral badge]

but overall as ram said, i recommend focusing on getting her actual signature if you're fixated on her. The other alternatives i mentioned are going to be similarly costly and not practical

[maiden garden]

Sadly don't have funds for it

Hle took it all

Not like I gave hofi in the first place :()

[sweet flax]

as in 3rd rerun, should've clarified mb

[spiral badge]

as for lesser but more accessible weapons, just give her something you already have built if available, or otherwise something high atk but cheap. I guess judgment of shamash can fit the bill.

[shell basin]

Yeah shamash is neat because it doesn't take Honkai shards, you'll eventually want it level 50 anyway, and it's better than nothing

don't expect too much from it but as cope weapons go you could do worse

[waxen wharf]

Ohh yeah that's actually the weapon I chose from the divine key things

[abstract sequoia]

not a bad first choice

although you get all eventually

[sweet flax]

keep in mind you need both shamash weapons (pistols and greatsword) to sync for the atk bonus

so that could be your next option, or gloves/sword for ice/phsyical gene limits

[abstract sequoia]

just save star of eden for last

[maiden garden]

If I already got 25k crystals worth of pulls in the spending event

I don't have much left for the patch right?

[abstract sequoia]

uhh got from where is the question

[waxen wharf]

Yeah I was kind of confused on that. I saw online that they give some sort of passive bonuses. I'll grab that one next then

[sweet flax]

spending event ends before the patch, infact it should be ending this week

dont pull more than you need to, spending event is there is a bonus not an incentive

if you are done pulling, use what you already have and dont force yourself to pull for more

[spiral badge]

hm i can't find the video i was thinking of but if you want to build hofs to her highest potential it will look something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_4bQgGdWwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lHuaxS-wYE

beware this pales heavily to modern standards

[abstract sequoia]

!faq dkey passive

[small willow]

Divine Key Passive and Active buffs
Active buffs are ones when you unlock the gene limit for this dkeys in order to do this simply do either dorm > divine key > gene limit or when you enter abyss or MA look for a flaming sword icon left to the start button
This are the active buffs that are present (this will be assuming max level dkey room):
Corruption - gain 8% phys dmg or gain 4% crit rate when combo over 30
Destruction - gain 8% fire dmg or gain 6% tdm in burst mode
Domination - gain 8% ice dmg or gain 1.6 more sp on basic/charged atks (cooldown of 4s)
Binding - gain 8% lightning dmg or gain 1.6 more sp on basic/combo atks (cooldown of 4s)

Passive buffs are permanently added stats on your valkyries which can be gained when either leveling up the dkey category or when syncing dkeys
The buffs for all the categories are as follow:
Binding - 15 def, 30 hp and 10 crt; 10 atk instead if sync
Corruption - 20 hp, 5 atk, 40 def and 5 crt
Creation - 20 hp; 10 atk if sync
Destruction - 20 hp, 13 atk and 5 crt; 23 atk instead if sync 1; 33 atk instead if sync 2
Devouring - 5 atk; 15 atk instead if sync
Domination - 11 atk and 85 hp; 21 atk instead if sync
Sentience - 20 hp; 10 atk if sync

so all in all you can gain 104 atk, 55 def,195 hp and 20 crt.
Abyss and Fenghuang Pinions are only worth crafting if you own their partners i.e Abyss Flower and FengHuang Down respectively.

Credit : Vampy and ZeroBlade

[abstract sequoia]

here's a quick writeup about it

this doesn't include the middle slot yet for stellar keys

[maiden garden]

Oh i meant like how many crystals you can get from this patch

(Like in the spending event it shows i already have spent like 25k crystals worth, I was using it as a metric of how much of the patch income I had spent)

[abstract sequoia]

the newest batch of dks

[proper quiver]

would this increase fdd damage if i equip it on coralie

[abstract sequoia]

which always give +10 atk and for each sync +5

[sweet flax]

ah, well it differs from player to player, but the average is 2-3k per week off of non-one time crystal sources such as abyss and er

[abstract sequoia]

this sentence alone suggests that the valk equipped with it gains the buffs, nobody else

[maiden garden]

Ah i see

Not enough pulls to guarantee anything this patch then

[abstract sequoia]

it's only a team buff if it says it is

[sweet flax]

no, usually we recommend having around 30k before a patch to be on the safe side, closer to 40k is better (as 40.6k is garunteed including the first multi discount)

ofc your existing pity and spending decisions can impact this

[abstract sequoia]

exclusive also is a term to look out for, that's buffs that count for the whole team except the valk that has the thing equipped

[maiden garden]

Thx for the help

[sweet flax]

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[proper quiver]

OMG THAT BUG WHERE FDD GETS STUCK MID AIR PISSES ME OFFFF

[abstract sequoia]

what bug

[spiral badge]

i haven't seen such a bug before. can you record it?

doesn't have to be right now either. but at any point in time down the road

[proper quiver]

its when fighting the zombie ninja girls specifically

when you do the final basic, when fdd slams down, they get stuck on eachother

[abstract sequoia]

woah

does she still have her shield there?

where she can dash away

sounds like a weird interaction bug if that's the case

not many try fdd on that side stage, so doubt that anyone else discovered it yet

[proper quiver]

yes i did itefhourwqhouerq

[proper quiver]

isnt it the reccomened team tho??

[proper quiver]

wasnt watching closely ill do another run soon

[serene crystal]

FWS is generally nicer for mob stages

[spiral badge]

you can't repeat a mob stage if you already cleared it in superstring dimension

but yeah maybe in the future you can show us

or someone else can investigate from what you mentioned

[serene crystal]

Haven't done it yet, so I can try and see when I come home

[abstract sequoia]

would be nice

I also cleared it sadly

[proper quiver]

is there any way to imporve a 587 score??

[serene crystal]

I have noticed that she gets stuck on some mobs on sidestages before for half a second to a second on enhanced weapon

[spiral badge]

is it possible for you to show us what your fight is currently like?

[proper quiver]

how good is chenxue

[spiral badge]

for your current considerations i do not recommend her

[proper quiver]

sigh

[spiral badge]

!faq gachaop

[small willow]

Should I Pull AstralOps?

NOO CAPTAIN!

If you are a f2p meta player, you should not pull gacha AstralOps - only players who are retaining or trying to retain Nirvana should consider it if they have the funds (unlikely for f2p players).

Reasons:

• Dreamseeker is good enough despite being free.
• Too expensive, especially if they need SS (~20-30k).
  • AstralOps have the same cost as a gacha weapon, therefore pulling one may result in being unable to afford a Valkyrie's weapon down the line (for meta players, this means skipping said Valkyrie entirely).
• The damage and score increase they provide in Redlotus and below is often minimal and not needed to retain.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[abstract sequoia]

having 4/4 valks is better

[spiral badge]

for nirvana, i think SS chenxue is significant but otherwise you're definitely not at that level yet

and in many cases, lesser players don't have the situational context to appreciate a gacha op enough

[proper quiver]

i thought she was super cool and her ar regen looks so nicee

[abstract sequoia]

her ar regen is the same as dreamseeker

[proper quiver]

the initial i meant

[abstract sequoia]

it's just initial AR that's different on S rank

and really, not a difference if youre only doing 1 SO anyway

[spiral badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRpRwj6GxXU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmRMAeNyfzs
Just to give you a rough idea, the difference really isn't that significant for an RL level or even lower

it's much more of a big deal in nirvana

[proper quiver]

as expected

[spiral badge]

and you're paying 60-120 rolls for just that handful of points

anyway let's get back to the matter at hand

• you may have to consider evading to build up raven's rage meter more
• hle can end her outburst early to refund some ARI. A consideration for phase 1
• if you outburst in phase 1, then be sure to swap to FWS to farm evades in transition phase. She restores twice as much than others from this
• make sure you understand how transition works (click on the boss icon before starting the fight and read the enemy skills). You do want to parry some of the silver bullets if you want to get the ARI pack to drop
• if you're not starting phase 2 with outburst, then make sure to rebuff yourself with your supports in transition. This might be tricky since both need to hit something and the only hittable things in transition are the silver bullets.

those are some major aspects i would be looking out for

[abstract sequoia]

right, the ar pack and hle ar regen can make for a 2 SO run

even in rl

[proper quiver]

i had 2 so

first one ended first phase perfectly

[abstract sequoia]

okay nice

and the opener?

[proper quiver]

?

[spiral badge]

how did you start the fight

[proper quiver]

fws charged+ult

i dont think it hit tho so ill try again

[spiral badge]

you can look at your ARI to see if it does

if it hits, you'll trigger stellar drain for the ARI increase

[spiral badge]

btw if anything here doesn't make sense, lmk to elaborate

[proper quiver]

what does the rage metre do

i had to do some dodging but i thought it was just annoying

[spiral badge]

once it fills raven will interrupt you but you'll be able to counter it for a chunk of damage

whether you desire it or not at a particular timing or later depends

it fills upon taking damage or evading her attacks. Esp with the latter

i'm pretty sure this is in the enemy skill descriptions btw

or at least on the side blurb midfight

[abstract sequoia]

just so we're clear, the jumpable slash at the beginning can be skipped right?

[spiral badge]

yeah although you may want to evade it for rage

[abstract sequoia]

assuming I wouldn't fill rage again because of it

[spiral badge]

it's not only about getting one or two instances of rage

but again the timing

you don't really want raven to interrupt thele at a wrong time

[abstract sequoia]

true

I think I managed fine in my run, it's why I'm asking that

also to know whether that's relevant for eclipse

[spiral badge]

yeah i prob need more elaboration or a video to determine that

i'm not even sure how it would work with HLE

[abstract sequoia]

me neither

[spiral badge]

prob nothing too special

[proper quiver]

do you think 600 is goood enough to earn tophies?

[spiral badge]

what tier

[proper quiver]

a3

[abstract sequoia]

i hope she isn't screwed in phase 2 if you need to attack

[spiral badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY29GwyXS9o for RL this is what you're contesting against

hm no clue for A3 tbh. Scores can be higher but people are worse in performance there too

more room to earn trophies too iirc?

like you have 6 slots?

[abstract sequoia]

SS thel in rl is still surreal to me

[spiral badge]

if i have to guess i really am going to urge you to go for 700 at least

[abstract sequoia]

despite the circumstances

[spiral badge]

this spending event made S2 the more minimal standard for longer term players

but SS isn't too unreasonable given bp, carnival, raffles of the past

it's disgusting in a way lol

[abstract sequoia]

yeah

i caved for SS this time tbh

but my goal is nirvana retain or even +100

so i will need it

[proper quiver]

i got my hle attack up to 1283

[abstract sequoia]

seeing the same with vita is honestly worse

less low-spender friendly chances

[spiral badge]

affixes? Man i really don't recommend that right now when there's possible larger areas to fix

affixes are usually quite marginal. A few points if you're stuck low at 600 may not make much of a difference while paying a potentially endless sink of a cost (that you may more appreciate later)

what's done is done ofc, so this is moreso just for future reference

---

if you're increasing attack from weapon upgrades then that's fine though lol nvm it's already maxed

[abstract sequoia]

leveling fdd wep is probably better if they can get the torus together

[proper quiver]

i have 0 asterite

[abstract sequoia]

iirc eclipse doesn't have prisms so stigs arent an option

[abstract sequoia]

and your salvage energy?

for converting stuff into asterite

See here for details #👶beginner-help message

[proper quiver]

i end first phase at 827\

[spiral badge]

try to tell us more what you're doing or what's happening. Not just the timer. Beware this is pretty uncharted territory since this is a nonprimary and therefore nontypical dps choice for the fight (also a3 isn't typical territory either)

if it's for a more typical fight, then timer benchmarks are more meaningful since things are more standardized and known

[abstract sequoia]

hle is more of a new contender you might say

cn myriad had some whale teams with her on that boss but thats all i know

[spiral badge]

ofc writing out every detail is not reasonable so video recording is best if you can

oh maybe we can link those for loose reference (not expecting you to copy anything 100% fully)

[proper quiver]

i think ima leave it at 587 rn and ill do it more tommorrow so i can see how bad i need to do to get +100

[abstract sequoia]

honestly, I suggest to solve these things before the final day

[proper quiver]

cuz this is gonna outscore me i know for a fact

[abstract sequoia]

things get more hectic tomorrow, more ppl want to finish their abyss

or topscore

[proper quiver]

should i try thel? her weap and stigmas are level 35

[spiral badge]

if you do opt for tomorrow make sure you leave a few hours too. Last hour really isn't anything to work with, and at that point i focus more on what you already know and consistency

prob not compared to your built hle

or rather i don't expect her to do better

but you can try a quick run

[abstract sequoia]

i think the atk diff is too high

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yeah

type counter is only going to be a 30% difference or so

it's not going to close the gap. Thelema's outburst is more committed too. She cannot end it early

HLE neutrally is prob stronger than thele too

[abstract sequoia]

both can do 2 SO to be fair

thel just needs more effort

through evading transition hits

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my main concern is that a well built thele prob overkills at A3 that most of her outburst duration will bleed into transition

during which you can't farm ARI while it's still ongoing

but anyway that's not a concern here if thele's is weaker

[abstract sequoia]

isn't that good for eclipse though?

because theirs isn't well built

[spiral badge]

it can work out yeah maybe

but overall i don't really have a good sense of how everything scales atm

and overall HLE just seems more appealing in every regard on paper currently

[abstract sequoia]

thel timestop does look attractive

also i think they have sena on top of hle

right?

[proper quiver]

bro raven just cancelled my hle so weapon skil????

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lmao

[proper quiver]

mhm

[abstract sequoia]

so full build team

maybe that breaks the mold

[proper quiver]

👍

[abstract sequoia]

if you're attempting thelema dps, apply hle buffs as soon as the first alarm sound went off

[proper quiver]

oh its this in depth pkay

[abstract sequoia]

you can actually hit raven with her as soon as she dashes around, before she's actually hitable

[spiral badge]

i just kinda see it as part of her damage as a whole. not really as any higher advantage than other valks

esp when you're not using it to evade farm

[lone crater]

u can apply it as soon as its possible to be hit, but it does depend on the rot ur doing in the end and how you plan to fill up the meter, ig the point is, theres a million openers out there, so do try out a bunch

[abstract sequoia]

ari drain will happen on hle, wait for like half a second and then qte into thelema. she will hit raven as soon as she spawns, gaining 2 passive stacks. Hold WA into MoI right after

[proper quiver]

FIRST PHASE ITS SO SLOWWW

[abstract sequoia]

S2 can trigger all 3 stellar drains this way with minimal timeloss, but even S0 can do fine

[lone crater]

record

[abstract sequoia]

yeah record

[proper quiver]

yeah its very slow

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i need to sleep now so others will have to cover for me. but you're in good hands

[proper quiver]

did

where do i send it

i stopped midway through phase 2 cuz it wasnt going to outscore

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here directly if possible
streamable is fine for less than 250mb
at worst youtube for anything too large but make sure your yt account doesn't reveal anything sensitive like your real name or something

[proper quiver]

is 2.5 gb

[abstract sequoia]

compress it down with handbrake

[abstract sequoia]

if your internet is bad

otherwise, upload to YouTube as unlisted. it should be fine

and for the future, maybe change your recording software settings to make a lower quality recording instead to save on disk space

[proper quiver]

😮

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not bad

just send the link here when it's done

[proper quiver]

i can tell its very bad gameplay (you can tell i dont play thel)

[abstract sequoia]

most people start at that point

and nobody is born a master

[proper quiver]

that was so inspirational

im gonna gambel for chenxue

jokes

[proper quiver]

https://youtu.be/LCZKoFcbMtg

[lone crater]

u alr missed the first jump

yellow light

[proper quiver]

heh im just too good

[lone crater]

and thelema sequence is not just repeat basic

u want to mix it up and prob wanna ring after u parry

[zenith vale]

How do I get blue resonance? The 999 refresh shop has a wep I’d like to get

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• On opener, hold WA after Thelema QTE instead of tabbing it, faster MoI
• Try to combine Basics, WA and CA. This increases Thelema's MoI strength based on getting stacks through these 3 different attacks.
• Don't swap away from Thelema when her timestop is still active, it doesn't carry over to your supports. Use the full time for damage on Thel (FYI Buff timers and SO timer is also halted).
• You didn't parry any white feathers in transition, which is fine in this case since you had full ARI anyway but if you shouldn't have that yet, get the full 6 stacks while evading the rest with Thelema for ARI. Keep in mind that getting hit by any red raven takes a stack away from you.

Combos I usually do:

• Mid-air start: BA3 > WA > CA > BA3 > WA > Hold WA > MoI
• Ground start slow but more dmg: 2x (BA3 > WA > CA) > MoI
• Ground start fast but less dmg (Use this in SO whenever possible): 2x (BA3 > WA > Hold WA) > MoI

Ask if something is unclear

Also, don't do Hold WA mid-air, it's generally a slow move compared to the ground version

with no big damage upside

[proper quiver]

why is she so complicated

also when do i use supports for rondo

just whenever?

[abstract sequoia]

you usually start SO with MoI > Ult then rondo

second rondo when the first is about to run out

[proper quiver]

uhhhhh im too lazy for all thiss

ill try

[abstract sequoia]

it was a tradeoff, lots of combo potential but harder to learn

the combos i mentioned weren't all discovered day 1 either, things usually take a while for players to figure things out

[proper quiver]

first so gets me here

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already better than in your recording

nice

at that point you were here

[proper quiver]

im gonna go to bed now

ill worry about it tomorrow

[abstract sequoia]

oh yeah one more thing, to retrigger sena's buffs outside SO, its enough to ult with her. She just needs to use 30 SP to retrigger her things for WoD

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yeah alright

i hope i could help

gnight

[proper quiver]

You did my brain jus isn’t big enough for this

HSR takes up too much storage space in my brain

[abstract sequoia]

it's a lot at once to be fair

take things one by one if that helps

[quick brook]

new player here, is starchasm nyx still good?

i wanna get either herrscher of flamescion or her on the war treasury

[lone crater]

they all not useful in abyss

pick who u like

[quick brook]

whch characters are good for abyss

[lone crater]

none of the ones in there, u need to save and pull newest releases

[quick brook]

her as my lightning dps

[lone crater]

she outdated

[quick brook]

whos going after elysia

[lone crater]

is in cn pins but its ||rita||

[quick brook]

she ends in like 2 days

[quick brook]

rita?

[lone crater]

after her wont be new valk immediately

[quick brook]

she good

[lone crater]

it will be reruns

[quick brook]

who getting reruns

[lone crater]

you can also check in cn pins

[quick brook]

where

[lone crater]

https://discord.com/channels/418652140454674432/435687797626634241

[quick brook]

aigth thanks

[lone crater]

but its || rs and divine keys for hohe and hofi||

[quick brook]

is sparkle getting a rerun?

[lone crater]

not that im aware of any time soon

she recently had one in carnival, yearly anniv thing

[quick brook]

wait when was it