👶beginner-help

[abstract sequoia]

[spiral badge]

we also hav a whaling guide in the pins for how to make the best bang for your buck

but just to repeat what teammate said earlier, dont' expect any strong meta results/performance for SW even if you max out her team. She is now outdated and this cost to doing this is high and greatly time consuming.

[restive shell]

quick question how long does it notrmally take to finish a battle pass ? ❤️

[spiral badge]

if you have any more specific goals, feel free to let us know too

[spiral badge]

i don't have a specific answer to this because there can be inconsistencies from events but

if you look at the top of the bp menu you'll see this https://i.imgur.com/cUCKEve.png

regularly speaking you can gain 10 levels in a week. There's a box that gives 2k at the start of every week too.

i think the 2k is separate from that cap

anyway events will give even more as well

[restive shell]

2k ?! where from ?

[spiral badge]

note the current patch is going to last for 9 weeks and we're currently kinda at the start of the third week? (i'm going by abyss when i say that)

[radiant sky]

Just wanted to have a fun - do not talking about meta shit and tons of that things. This game is trash and the thing that devs do not rework older valks is much more trash. But I know they need to make money making game fairly harder and then solving the issues adding to the game new valks making older outdated. They should be reworked to keep also on the current meta. Lol, what a trash game and the mentality.

[spiral badge]

you're free to keep your opinion but i'm going to ask of you to refrain from excessively being negative here and to be mindful of other people around here.

[restive shell]

and just wondering cuz ive been playing for like 5 days lowkey really addicted to it like beenn playing non stop like 8+hours a day and i want to buy the battlepass and im at level 11 atm and i have 46 days so just wondering ❤️

[spiral badge]

If you want to make criticisms you can do so in #🎮honkai-chat but try to keep it constructive

[spiral badge]

there should be a bp box you can claim at the start of each week. The game will highlight it so it's hard to miss

[restive shell]

so i probs already claimed it hahaha thank you though ❤️

[spiral badge]

also we have#game-suggestions-box if you want to suggest changes to the game @radiant sky

anyway if your goal is just to have fun then you're free to ignore my meta recommendations.

The game doesn't have to be just one or the other either. You can find your own balance of meta/casual.

We can still help you with non meta goals as long as you're specific enough about them, as we have earlier with your SW focuses.

[radiant sky]

Why are you insulting me about being constructive? The way this game works is because of creating fake problems that are being solved by adding to the game new valks. So you basically have to spend money in order to keep being in meta. I just f**k how the meta works. Just want to have fun playing chars I want.

You don’t have to suggest me writing any suggestion to the game. It works that way for years because that is the model how Asian gacha games operate. Devs need to make money.

[spiral badge]

Statements like calling this a "trash game" are not constructive. They're purely opinionated and unnecessary. I am not trying to insult you. I'm not denying what you're saying either.

This is also a help channel for improving within the game or guidance on the game's mechanics. Regardless of how flawed the game is, I'm only here to talk about it as is and help you work within it. Talking about the design flaws of the game isn't really relevant here which is why i'm directing you to other channels that seem more appropriate for what you wish to bring up.

[radiant sky]

Right

My question is, why are u talking like u were a bot, or AI?

[spiral badge]

i get that alot actually but no i'm not actually a bot lol

[calm kernel]

anyone capable of producing complete paragraphs of text instead of twitter length messages must be a bot

[spiral badge]

i just have a tendancy to explain alot because i personally think this game has aged poorly, is now overwhelming, and doesn't explain enough

[outer spruce]

this is the kind of game where you need Nintendo Power to get started

[frozen crypt]

Sairaan is very good at compiling information in a straightforward manner, that's what you'd want from a prof

[spiral badge]

alot of us are aware of the flaws of the game but there's still aspects to enjoy in it. As said earlier you're free to disregard what disinterests you about it, and as long as you're specific enough about what you want to focus on we can help you with that, even if it's not meta.

[heady relic]

A professor being constructive and professional, in providing clarifying information and assistance in the help channels, is not bot/AI behaviour. Kindly start showing the respect you've been given thus far, without ad hominems, and non-constructive discourse.

[frozen crypt]

Sadly HoYoverse is a business and not a charity, we can't always have our favs in the meta

[spiral badge]

but there's ways to still enjoy playing/seeing your favorites even if they're not meta. It's not a requirement to abide by it

[dark karma]

mine closing in to be out of meta for a decade

[spiral badge]

you even said it yourself earlier that you were interested in low level superstring dimension abyss. Certainly the lower scaling there may let SW perform more capably

Even Lyo here is still playing HoV even though she's way out of the meta

actually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxFLP1M0HHE This is NOT something to copy off of. But here's my own personal disaster of a meme team that I wanted to sporadically play for no real good reason.

[frozen crypt]

Yeah

[spiral badge]

For more context SA is a physical support and she normally has NO place on a lightning dps team.

[bleak stump]

If you think this why are you here 😂

[spiral badge]

i mean the first line there is good enough

[onyx ether]

[dark karma]

PPM newt SA in elemental teams was a thing though

[radiant sky]

As u said earlier - ended up that it is not worth going through the ladder with beginner team comps in universal mirage in order to start getting good stigmatas. I am not interested pulling valks that I do not personally like - especially with the freaking umbrella ☂️ and wind theme.

I would personally go for the ice valk. The one I personally liked when I was playing was silverwing nex.

Not sure if they added any more relevant ice dmg valks to have an eye on it.

[spiral badge]

well the newer ice dps valks of part 2 is just thelema and herrscher of human ego (with her new divine key) so far

although again beware newer valks have a new astral ring system so team building for them is different. You won't necessarily use ice supports for them.

hohe dps does typically still want thelema on the team though

[radiant sky]

I am just talking about the theme. Not the system that is virtually changing your freaking attributes. That’s insane

[spiral badge]

otherwise you can try using the filter menu for ice valks and see what older ice dps interest you, and you can try them out in tactics class

[radiant sky]

And HoHE is not really… What I would say - smash playstyle

Do you know dead cells?

[spiral badge]

i'm only vaguely familiar with that roguelike

so any specific examples are going to be lost on me

[radiant sky]

To sum up - Elysia is kinda cool and SW nex too - for me - personally - but to be honest - I am no sure if I want to come back to this game while seeing what has happened across the time

Appreciate your help and dedication, bb

[spiral badge]

no need to force yourself. Certainly the game has changed drastically over the years. The older stuff are still mostly unchanged though and again you don't have to be meta

alrighty then. feel free to come back if you have any further interest or questions

[low kestrel]

@spiral badgeSAIRAAN THE ABYSS IS TOMORROW SAIRAAN

https://tenor.com/view/zerograms-neesh-cat-small-kitten-gif-9989881344101479310

[lyric anvil]

[spiral badge]

wdym. it's been there since yesterday.

but today is the second day. Wouldn't be a bad time to ask about it now

[low kestrel]

ik, i do abyss just in the week ends, like, in the last day

at as 12:00

[spiral badge]

i already talked to you about the problems of doing that and the issues we ran into last time because we didn't have enough time

but if you still want to do that feel free

i can't guarantee i'll be able to secure a strong score or even be available to help by then

anyway do you need my help right now?

[low kestrel]

nop no need sairaan, i'm good

but if tomorrow u be occuped i can do abyss now

[spiral badge]

ok please only call for me if you need help.

i might be. idk yet

[low kestrel]

i'm doing nothing anyway

[spiral badge]

up to you

i'm not going to force you but i did warn you that doing it later might lead to not having enough time

[ancient needle]

Wdym by that exactly

Ah, you meant that

It should be lvl 20ish tops

Yes, and she's recommended to get (with her weap, they're mandatory here)

The valk in question is Peregrine Sword to be exact

Comparing apples to oranges tbh

If you really want to get Badum, then she still is a very good pull

[lyric anvil]

Both have their niches

[ancient needle]

Peregrine Sword is more recommended cuz she's newer and hence will last longer on average

Absolutely not, most of the valks there are farmable and are not useful anyway

I meant "don't spend crystals" here

Pulling with tickets is ofc fine (keep 20 of them in stock for spending events though)

[hybrid heron]

Is it important which one I claim?

[ancient needle]

Not really, you wanna get them all anyway

But ideally follow the order above, ye

[sweet flax]

Either way leave the cannon last and get both the pistols and greatsword back to back

[hybrid heron]

Sounds good thanks

[rotund roost]

when are the reward stages in elysian realm?

[amber crane]

Are there any other weapon choices for Li sushang in case i don't get the weapon?

Like the weapon for the other sushang (jade knight) is still good for her? (cause i can get it q with the weapon box in the beginner stuff)

[ancient needle]

Pretty copium, but it'll work

For support Sushang at least, for DPS it's not good

[amber crane]

Dang it

Any other weapons that i could forge?

[ancient needle]

Keys of Oblivion from Exchange Shop ig? Tbh I'm not 100% sure on her copium options

Weap reso is farmable via crafting and converting Bounty weaps (3rd Sacred Relic is the cheapest)

[lyric anvil]

Had to use grips of tai xuan for Sushi before getting her signature though I think the DKey is much worse than other options

[ancient needle]

Other options that come to mind don't have PRI versions, so they have significantly less ATK

[amber crane]

The Devine Key weapon?

[ancient needle]

Keys of Oblivion is not a dkey

Tai Xuan is

[lyric anvil]

[amber crane]

Yeah but like its not good if i use a DKey weapon ?

[ancient needle]

Even more copium than JK's weap

[amber crane]

Sigh guess I'll have to get the signature weapon..

I wanted to pull for kiana but nvm..

[ancient needle]

Yeah, sig weaps are mandatory here

[dry star]

Hi, I am basically a new account and I am confused why I can't use certain characters like Helia for weekly farming to do my bp missions

Do most farming or weekly stages only allow older characters?

[ancient needle]

Yeah, old P1 content doesn't allow P2 valks for whatever reason

[lyric anvil]

Hoyo spaghetti code

[ancient needle]

Stuff like RC should clear them easily anyway

[dry star]

Ah got it. So basically I should build both P1 teams (to do weekly missions and stuff like elysian realm) and then I also need p2 teams?

[ancient needle]

ER allows P2 valks

[lyric anvil]

What's funny is that I could with certain chapters in the story for P1

[ancient needle]

Anyway, here are your team options: #👶beginner-help message

Ofc ones with Coralie don't fit the P1 criteria

[dry star]

Tyty!

[ancient needle]

You wanna get some copium valks anyway for MA purposes

[dry star]

I'll look up how to get that elysia. If I have herrscher of rebirth, would Terminal aide be a good partner for her as well?

[ancient needle]

You get her from the Level Rush bundle in the Starter Manual (gotta pay up)

Ofc she's not mandatory to get by any means

But the bundle is great value purely crystal-wise too

And if you have HoRb you aren't on a new acc

[dry star]

Gotcha
So I'm in a weird spot because this is basically a newbie account that I created at the launch of part 2 and then abandoned LOL

[amber crane]

Sometimes it let me use li sushang,sometimes not tho

[ancient needle]

What lvl are you rn? Do you have any gacha valks? Or was the idea of making a new acc alr discussed with you

[dry star]

Well it's kind of newbie because I just have horb and a random senadina I have no idea what I'm doing

[ancient needle]

The answer is "yes" btw

[dry star]

Sadly I spent already on this one so I don't want to remake it

[dry star]

Thanks much

[ancient needle]

Sunk cost fallacy

But up to you ofc

[dry star]

Truly it is LMAO

I knew powercreep was a thing but I truly did not expect the speed at which it went LOL

[ancient needle]

It's not about powercreep necessarily, but about lack of compatibility with newer releases

[dry star]

Hm ill consider a new account

[ancient needle]

A valk usually lasts ~1.5-2 years before she's gone from the meta (she gradually becomes more and more niche over time)

Not that meta matters much unless you're a competitive player

[dry star]

Yeah I'll likely be more on the casual side, I like the new characters but at the same time I'm still mostly doing things from p1

[ancient needle]

Gotta spoiler tag CN info

[dry star]

Oh my bad let me edit

[ancient needle]

Well, keep in mind that on a new acc you'll be able to afford both Sushang + weap (Badum + weap is fine to go for instead if you really want her) and the next patch

idk how many crystals you have on your current one

[dry star]

12k?

[ancient needle]

Story progress?

[dry star]

I heard you need 40k right for weapon and such too

[ancient needle]

P1 story

[ancient needle]

For guarantee yes

~30k alr gives you a 75% chance (just keep 17k in the tank so that you don't end up with a weapless valk)

[dry star]

Hm... I'm not that far in story ngl, it's a okay amount after himekos final lesson but yeah I know that's super early in the story

[amber crane]

It says that this is good for peregrine Sword tho btw

[ancient needle]

Please don't listen to in-game recs

[dry star]

I'll be real though I don't like sushangs current battlesuit so I'll maybe pick the upcoming banners

Is the current wishing star Kiana a p1 or p2?

[amber crane]

P2 i think

[dry star]

Should I just assume they're always p2

[ancient needle]

ig it can be fine to keep if you really want to, but keep in mind you might not ever get to use your Sena properly (they might not release valks that can properly support her and vice versa)

[ancient needle]

All P1 valks are too old to rerun atp, so it's only P2 banners now

[amber crane]

The characters from dorm supply are from p1 though

[ancient needle]

Got me on a technicality

[dry star]

Makes sense

@gaunt oak yo, do you think I should just start a new account

[amber crane]

So you can or wait for HoV on the beginner's thingy,or use dorm cards and get an s rank there,or just use seele,griseo and pardofelix atm..

[gaunt oak]

didnt you just buy BP

[dry star]

Sigh yeah I'm dumb LOL

[gaunt oak]

but yea you should probably start a new acc tbh

[dry star]

But idm

[gaunt oak]

big whel, now create a new account in SEA

[dry star]

hm okay. Does that mean it will follow CN schedule?

[gaunt oak]

no it still follows GLB

but it's SEA

[dry star]

Another reason why I'm considering is because my current account is actually attached to my wrong hoyo account

[ancient needle]

Everyone follows CN schedule, it's just CN is 4 weeks ahead of everyone else

[dry star]

Oh gotcha gotcha. Thanks for answering my questions btw

[gaunt oak]

wait this hi3 official server i thought this was tcg

[dry star]

[amber crane]

Giggling 💔

[ancient needle]

Ideally you don't wanna skip both of them (on a new acc) cuz you wanna have a proper support for the 8.3 valk

Also keep in mind that Badum's banner is very short, always keep 17k in stock

[dry star]

Ohh I see, they will be 8.3's ideal supports?

[ancient needle]

We don't know about BiS yet (cuz still in beta), but they are properly compatible with her (even the worst properly compatible option will be very solid compared to copium)

[lyric anvil]

Subject to change

[dry star]

Oh no isn't badum expiring soon

[gaunt oak]

do you know what beats that? whaling

[ancient needle]

Holy shit the quality is terrible

[sweet flax]

Can't even whale with gifs right
Smh teammate so f2p

[ancient needle]

So true

[radiant sky]

@spiral badge
Coming back to our conversation, what setup what you choose based on my equipment and valks to gradually push through what was that? Collecting stones to unlock ice stigmata’s?

[sweet flax]

In the case that sairaan isn't available for the time being, are you asking what valks/gear to use for universal mirage?

[radiant sky]

Yeah, need to farm the highest stones for crefting ice valks. Dunno with what setup could proceed to gradually increase getting these stones through universal mirage. I shared my collections lastly.

[sweet flax]

Sorry for the delay, I was caught up with a project

I read your earlier messages to get a gist of the idea, so your goal is to build ice valks and farm their gear through universal mirage yes?

Let's start slow then and focus on sw gear, I see you already have nex b, so your next priority should be nex t for the meantime

As for hohe her dkey will rerun on banner soon so there's no need to craft items for her if you manage to pull it (her stigmata are craftable if you get the weapon)

Regarding jk, her gear is unobtainable at the moment

And as for rc, crafting bastet in the future is an option but by the time you get it kira who's a better replacement to her will have her gear available to farm most likely

[sweet flax]

It doesn't matter what units you use to clear the floor since you can auto clear after clearing it once so stick to mpe for clearing as she's geared

Feel free to ask if you have any other questions

[fallen shale]

the game just grabbed me and told me to give abyss one last shot before it finalises
any shot I can get to 120s clear in 3 hours

[wanton canopy]

What's your team? I assume you are doing Master's RL

[fallen shale]

I'm running PS > Coralie > TA

and yea it's the last floor of redlotus

[wanton canopy]

I assume those your only p2 valk asside from helia

[fallen shale]

yes

there's two other b ranks under but I can't imagine they're important

[wanton canopy]

Wait can you show your lobby?

[fallen shale]

wdym by my lobby

[wanton canopy]

Abyss(q manifold)

[fallen shale]

this?

[sweet flax]

Could be a rotation issue, did you level up your gear as much as possible rn?

[fallen shale]

as resources allow yea (not max)

Sushang wep is 45 and her sigmatas are 45 50 50

[sweet flax]

What are you using on ta and vbm in terms of stigmata?

Im assuming vbm is on her signature hammer and ta is on nevs

[wanton canopy]

Have you tried SI support?

[fallen shale]

TA is on marco polo and holding nebulous

[sweet flax]

Ungeared si support is gonna be more cope than necessary + ta personal dmg and physical buffs and vulnerability contribute more to total team dps

[fallen shale]

and yea cora is on sig lol

[sweet flax]

You have tsio on vbm or forgot to mention stigs?

[fallen shale]

oh nono she's on wang yodo wang
just sig hammer

[sweet flax]

No fhm?

[fallen shale]

I do have fhm

[sweet flax]

Use it on her then, glut t fbm mb

Don't keep her on a set that increases her fire dmg when she isn't even the dps

[fallen shale]

are stigmatas in the glossary

idk what mb is lol

[sweet flax]

Middle and bottom piece

[fallen shale]

o

[sweet flax]

So
Theresa: gluttony T (top)
Fu Hua Musician M B (middle and bottom)
As your 3 stigs

[fallen shale]

wow I don't have phase shifters

[sweet flax]

No worries the important thing is the 2pc effect since the stigs themselves only increase elemental dmg iirc

[fallen shale]

ok so I got that set on cora all lvl 40s

[sweet flax]

And regarding your rot, your keeping full uptime on all 3 coralie stacks and shield on ta yes?

[fallen shale]

if swapping to cora, doing a jump attack then special, then swapping to TA, ulting(or CAing) and then special does that then yea

I'm doing the rotation from that one guide iirc

[sweet flax]

When you qte into cora you just need to spam wa until she does the blast on the floor

[fallen shale]

1- what's wa
2- I turned QTE off on cora

[sweet flax]

Weapon attack

Cora qte is off?
Were you recommended this by someone for a specific rot or? Because cora qte being on is fine in q-manifold

[fallen shale]

I was told to turn it off

[storm lantern]

qte off is good you can get the buffs without it

[sweet flax]

Yes but the guy is new and probably unfamiliar with how cora buffs are applied

Turning it off is good, but not when you don't know what you are doing

[fallen shale]

my understanding was that special is the thing that does the buff and you get there faster without QTE and also don't put Sushang on the longer cooldown

[abstract sequoia]

yeah pretty much, you just need to do stomp with a stack

[fallen shale]

I thought you did the jump attack to get the stacks tho

[abstract sequoia]

or else the buff and drain dont trigger

thats possible, but idealy you dont want to do that

[sweet flax]

Your stacks are gained for hitting enemies with your wa, you also apply a vulnerability debuff when slamming the hammer on the ground in the end of a combo

[abstract sequoia]

and SO refreshes all 5 stacks

[fallen shale]

so no jump attack just spam weapon?

[abstract sequoia]

if it connects into a stomp and buff ran out, do jump

[sweet flax]

This is why i wanted you to keep your qte on because its just spam weapon with it on

The reason you jump then weapon is because after the first rot you already have 3 stacks and gaining a new stack refreshes the duration of the buff uptime, so you just apply vulnerability and refresh uptime at once

[fallen shale]

I'm getting confused

[sweet flax]

i know

Could you do the run with coralie qte on for now, and later read coralie's kit to get an understanding of how her buffs are applied so the non qte run makes sense

[fallen shale]

I'm redoing the tutorial rn

oh man no restart button?

[fallen shale]

ok I did it

I'm staying in rl baybee

[frozen crypt]

@dapper dock HoV guide up if you still wanted it

[fallen shale]

I'd like to thank Ai-chan for grabbing me by the ear and demanding I try abyss one last time before letting it go lmao

[abstract sequoia]

To summarize what Coralie buffs need to be triggered how:

Per weapon meter stack used: +8% TDM (max 3 stacks)

• QTE gives 1 stack and restores 2 stack uses
• Ult counts as 3 weapon meter stacks used if Coralie is at least an SS rank
  A Serious Hammering (done on hammer stomp)
• 15% TDM taken for 25 seconds (can also be applied with Ult instead)
• Stellar Drain

Ultimate

• the same 15% TDM taken for 25 seconds as "A Serious Hammering"
• 3 Astral Ring energy (not the reason you want to use it)

Blast Hammer (Signature Weapon)

• 6% TDM for every WA or Ult use (max is 3 stacks with 18%)

Tsiolkovsky (Signature Stigmata)

• Eternal Dream gives 15% TDM on it's own. Many other buffs from every single piece (related ones are mentioned with "Eternal Dream additionially increases...")
• +100% on every Astral Ring buff
• Is triggered by Weapon Skill for 15 seconds
• another Weapon Skill trigger extends and refreshes it to 30 seconds

And most important: All of this is refreshed with max stacks on Stellar Outburst.

hopefully this isn't too complicated of a read but I've tried my best to summarize it. Also had issues with understanding Coralie when I started

[fallen shale]

ok I think I follow

are the stacks the things on the bottom of her ui above the hp?

as in those are the things I need to spend to get the tdm or do I need to just have them

the rot I was doing with QTE turned on was basically just "QTE > mash weapon until explosion > leave"

[abstract sequoia]

the stacks are the things you spend to get the tdm

[fallen shale]

ok

[abstract sequoia]

yeah thats the right way

ult is not optimal because it's a long animation with lots of time loss

[fallen shale]

yea I'm not ulting

[abstract sequoia]

so only really useful if you can time it right at the beginning before the timer start, while also hitting the enemy with it

[fallen shale]

that seems like some ultra sweat stuff

[abstract sequoia]

it's just timing really

maybe something to keep in mind if you're like a few points away from reaching t3 or preventing a -100

[fallen shale]

unrelated question but how many days do I generally need to give events to complete them

[abstract sequoia]

depends on the event

you probably mean the Sushang cooking event

[fallen shale]

I do

but isn't there also another event running rn?

[abstract sequoia]

record time was a week

[fallen shale]

ok cause I wanna extract their xtals before badum leaves

[abstract sequoia]

yeah but the only timegate for it is every level being unlocked on different dates

[thick bolt]

7-10 days is usually a safe bet for events like these because of the daily mechanics
can vary per event, with some being speedrunnable and some still locked as f

[abstract sequoia]

so you can do it within a full day easily

[sweet flax]

Shorter, can finish and get all the good rewards in 5 days

[abstract sequoia]

damn

[fallen shale]

wuh oh better get cooking

[abstract sequoia]

wait what

i thought it lasted the entire patch

[fallen shale]

this is the badum timer not the cooking event timer lol

[abstract sequoia]

bruh i was scared for a second

[fallen shale]

I'm tryna get badum

[wanton canopy]

Hahaha

[fallen shale]

lmao sorry for the scare

[abstract sequoia]

really slacking with the event tbh

[fallen shale]

hope your heart's ok

[abstract sequoia]

i'm good

[wanton canopy]

I was scared too lol... Did not do the event yet on my alt

[fallen shale]

I have done a little bit of the event

it was my first taste of PS (and how I learned my phone HATES her)

[sweet flax]

Are you rolling over 17k crystals hopefully

[fallen shale]

that's the plan

[sweet flax]

Good

[fallen shale]

not a huge fan of my odds honestly

[sand flame]

Bruh wtf is this sweaty bracket

[fallen shale]

it's too up in the air for my liking

[abstract sequoia]

lots of big shots in there, so

[wanton canopy]

Welcome to demoot

[sand flame]

[fallen shale]

I suddenly have to chew the entire story mode in 10 days which is a task to say the least

[sand flame]

Bruh i managed to retain the the last cycle but now this

[fallen shale]

I was slacking cause I didn't know badum would rerun immediately

but if I'm sitting down and binging I better grab that reading order guide so I can have a good time with it

oh my god are these books

[thick bolt]

you almost gave me a heart attack

[radiant sky]

I assume you mentioned about the hohe gear because she might be a dps in this teamcomp? (I haven’t got her weapon actually - i think i got it in the past bu rerolled for something else). Also, What do you mean about dkey and mpe?

[sweet flax]

Hohe has a new weapon called flawless ego, it's her divine key (dkey) it will rerun on banners not too soon (may 23rd to be exact)

Mpe is miss pink elf, the valk you sent images of

[sand flame]

Can someone give me ref for nirvana

This is my team

[radiant sky]

I wasnt able to clear highest icy flour with mpe some time ago. There was a penalty of -50% damage clearing icy flour with physical valks.

[fallen shale]

I finally got my hands on JK!!

[radiant sky]

Actually even 70% damage penalty

[fallen shale]

I can pair her with hohe and kira to make an ice team right?

[round pebble]

what valkyrie can actually utilize signet of daybreak as intended?

[thick bolt]

bleed valks, top of my mind is CE

[mint ravine]

is the game f2p yet?

[sweet flax]

Check what supports you are using for her and if you are playing her wrong, mpe can clear those floors

[sweet flax]

It's always been f2p

The f2p situation also got better recently

[mint ravine]

even before the gacha upd?

[sweet flax]

Yes, you just had to manage your pulls properly

[thick bolt]

twas painful then but still the usual stuff, save for 2-3 patches then pull a valk
could still get redlotus easy

it's just shorter saving time and less salt now, also don't need to pull as much for full team since everyone is a support as well as a dps

[sweet flax]

Basically the same time, but valks have longer usage time and value to them

[slim blaze]

Oh shit

Abyss

[thick bolt]

you have, 1h 9 mins

[slim blaze]

Whos the boss this time

[slim blaze]

69 mins huh

[thick bolt]

Alien guard with bleed mobs

ref https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-fAc3CSPXk

[slim blaze]

Showing off that yellow initiative. Damn. Thanks HAHA

[slim blaze]

WAIT. NO sussy baka am i cooked?

[thick bolt]

cooked

[slim blaze]

760 not possible w/o teriop or ps?

Ah rigjt

[wanton canopy]

Cooked well done

[thick bolt]

Don't think so, especially since no teriop

[slim blaze]

Ah rigjt

[bleak stump]

Uhh yall know that acc i said i might abandon cause it got sushi and wouldn’t be able to get her weapon

[wanton canopy]

Lmao

Gg also #📿gacha-salt🧂

[bleak stump]

Put it in there?

[wanton canopy]

Yeah since this channel is strictly for beginner questions, answers and help... Gacha might be included if it includes decision making for beginners so yeah

[bleak stump]

Ah ok my bad

[sweet flax]

Mostly because players will think "if they got lucky maybe ill get lucky" it builds a bad habit if not careful

[dry python]

I've been exposed

[wanton canopy]

[sweet flax]

Ggs

[sand flame]

[radiant sky]

ive been using hos with signature weapon and sa without her weapon but fully maxed out with souls, soo i ak not sure. def was lacking dps

[bleak stump]

Makes sense

[young hawk]

anything worth buying? i don’t have lv or hohe

[untold umbra]

i've just came back to the game after seeing all the improvements , but now im not really sure what to do

Should i pull on the starter banners with sonque and senadina?

[sweet flax]

sa??? ta is free

[bleak stump]

I think it’s not rlly recommended to pull on the starter banner cause the units are pretty outdated

[storm lantern]

better to pull on different banners

ur not gonna run out of better things to spend xtals on

[sweet flax]

senadina at the moment is dead (can only support ws and wod, which are 2 rings with no new units, and even then vita who has bigger supportive opportunities is able to support as good if not better)
also her bosses were stolen by fws

songque is only really viable as a loa support, but we are already transitioning towards a new ring which makes her value questionable at the moment

[untold umbra]

what about sushang? should i pull for her or wait for something better?

[storm lantern]

songque as an loa support will also be significantly worse soon

[sweet flax]

you could, if this is a new account you can easily secure sushang and next patch's valk which is a very strong start to your account

ofc this means getting sushang and her weapon

[storm lantern]

returnee accounts from before p2 are not often better than new ones, if thats your situation i'd take inventory of what you have and see how it compares to a new account

[hot wyvern]

Nothing, save it

[untold umbra]

this is a new account so i should be fine pulling for her

[sweet flax]

good luck with your pulls (dont share them here, if you wanna share it do it in #📿gacha-salt🧂 just so we keep this channel spam free)

[untold umbra]

ok

[hexed wasp]

where do you find the reseve works?

[thick bolt]

can go through missions or bp tab
it's at the bottom of the bp shop sections on the left

[radiant sky]

yes, but how does it answer these questions

[low kestrel]

someone help me

[hot wyvern]

Look at youtube guides or something

What did you use for it anyway

[wispy aurora]

Most optimal way to get these?

[calm kernel]

buy with asterite

slow trickle from ow tasks

[wispy aurora]

[thick bolt]

@abstract path
ELF specific banners, don't rerun anymore.
First time such an event. Usually people just buy elf fragments to unlock and rankup through spending events.
Pretty sure they all are in

[abstract path]

so if i do event fast enough to get box before the event ends, can i get Bella ELF?

[quick birch]

yes

[abstract path]

yippiy

[quick birch]

although i think you cant get enough points for the elf box atm gotta wait for snazzy cards

[abstract sequoia]

then you save up for reroll box or any other stamps that come later

[abstract path]

so i have to do it fast, or how many more days is it

[quick birch]

45 days but i wouldnt recommend slacking it events have time gates, especially snazzy cards

there are also weekly quests

[abstract path]

i already slacked enough, like some days where i was inactive and stuff but i will try to get back on track with hi3 and stuff since some other game preocupied me with a half anniversary event

[bleak stump]

Oml how do yall save in this game😭😭

[ancient needle]

Wdym by that

During a story stage? You don't

[bleak stump]

No I mean crystals 😭

[abstract sequoia]

Save what, time or mats

ah okay

We do events, weeklies and dailies. Only pull when we can afford valk and weapon

[bleak stump]

The only Gacha game I’ve been able to break my addiction and save in is hsr like how do yall be saving so much 😭

[haughty elbow]

very simple
just dont pull

if u cant resist pulling u have an addiction

[bleak stump]

I do

[abstract sequoia]

You'll have it easier than in HSR, because no 50/50s

so you have a static goal to reach

[outer spruce]

just pretend that the banner doesn't exist for a patch or 2

[quick birch]

for me its that i honestly dont enjoy valks without their weapons since it locks aways a lot of dmg and utility so i dont feel the urge to just throw everything away until i actually have enough

[abstract sequoia]

"just" is not it, you need reasons why you're saving

[quick birch]

and i care about meta so that also plays a part

[outer spruce]

back in part 1, I used to save until the next spending event

[ancient needle]

Gotta start thinking about the bad outcome, not the good one

And mentally prioritize the bad outcome

[abstract sequoia]

i would always look and see what a valk would bring me

that feeling doesnt come immediately, it comes with playing a bit

what you have to decide for this patch is just "Do I pull this release's valk or not?" Nothing else

[outer spruce]

people just have to get over the "shiny thing? must pull" mentality

[abstract sequoia]

thats hard when emotions come into play

[outer spruce]

you don't need everything in the patch

[ancient needle]

Being aware of the emotions is how I deal with it personally

[abstract sequoia]

for me reason helped against emotionial pulls

[ancient needle]

(also maybe start sleeping enough if possible, you're more prone to risky decisions otherwise)

Or at least be aware of the last part

[bleak stump]

I still haven’t for this game yet

[bleak stump]

Doesn’t mean I don’t want them 😭 esp this patch

[abstract sequoia]

Whats so special about this patch?

[bleak stump]

I LOVE both badum and mini Dudu(wasn’t playing during their og banners and skipped mini Dudu in 8.1 for sushi)

[abstract sequoia]

okay but do you even have crystals for sushi and badum?

i cant deny that both have their value, but I doubt that you have enough if you didnt play the last few patches at all

[bleak stump]

I have 4/4 sushi on my 2 accs rn and prob won’t have enough for badum or mini Dudu unless I grind like all of the story

[abstract sequoia]

how much do you have left? also whats your current crystal count?

[bleak stump]

Like nothing

[abstract sequoia]

that doesnt sound promising

you really should grind story for next patch, if you know what comes next

[bleak stump]

Yea 😭 I did reroll for badum so I don’t need her but she’d be nice to have

[bleak stump]

Idk how good the|| new helia|| is

Haven’t looked at the beta

[quick birch]

<@&421210366132092929>

[bleak stump]

Oh-

[frozen crypt]

Wtf lol

I'm on it thank you

Any other channels ping me

[abstract sequoia]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion feel free to check pins and ask what you need

[ancient needle]

1. Gotta spoiler tag CN info
2. We can't answer that yet anyway (if you're talking about performance), we're still in beta

[abstract sequoia]

i think its just more general about what comes next

[bleak stump]

Srry

[bleak stump]

Also I want to wait to see banners for next patch

But everything in me screams pull everytime I see 280 😭

[abstract sequoia]

yeah i get that mentality, but it only works if you have only one banner to worry about

which is never the case here

[outer spruce]

best way I can describe gacha in this game is pulling for a valk is like getting a car frame and pulling weapon is like pulling for the engine and wheels

[regal marten]

So as I was saying, around 1,8k with returnee missions now as a F2P

It's literally double the amount now

[sweet flax]

So about 2 phases of beginners manual
And beginners also get nebs, jk, rc, jk/rc weapon, si, hov, kov, access to level rush during that

[regal marten]

+2,3k by paying

But yes beginner is still better

This box is just sad lol

[ancient needle]

The valk is chicken nuggs while the weap is a dipping sauce
Nuggs are tolerable (but you wouldn't go out of your way for them) without the sauce (but aparently there are at least 2 nugg purists here) and the sauce doesn't do shit without the nuggs

[sweet flax]

Nuggets without the sauce is just.... its unfulfilling

[ancient needle]

Yup, exactly

[strong void]

👀

[sweet flax]

Shit now I wanna make nuggies

[regal marten]

Idk if that changed too or not.. I'll have to check

[sweet flax]

It didnt, there's more that I'm not including though

[outer spruce]

i thought engine because I was thinking of how back then weapon skills didn't work unless you had the actual weapon with the weapon skill

[ancient needle]

🗣️ 👴 ☁️

[sweet flax]

Jk moment, wdym you guys press weapons instead of ult basic x3

[outer spruce]

or how songque barely functions without her weapon

as a dps

[sweet flax]

Correction, how insert any p2 s rank barely functions as a dps without weapon

[outer spruce]

power wise yeah, songque doesn't work power wise and mechanically

with weapon she has 6, without she only has 3

can't fill the bar at once

SO rot doesn't even work

[ancient needle]

The SO rot should be fine with ani cancels actually

Unless I'm forgetting smth

Oh, wait, nvm, I'm a dum-dum

[sweet flax]

Bro knows something unforetold

[outer spruce]

the ancient scrolls

the prophecy uncovered

[tall flax]

I honestly expected some competition cause everyone else has better P2 supports than me but

Over a 70 point difference between first and second

[ancient needle]

Competition in Agony?

[quick birch]

if someone with better p2 supports is in a2 it probably has its reasons

[naive pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-meme-gif-1604373818055948736

luna go away

[regal marten]

@outer spruce That was literally the same with P1 that never changed

[royal stratus]

definitely really obvious question sorry but if i recover my old lv30 account should i start again with this or just start fresh

my only goal in this game is to have molotov cherry and augment core fervent tempo battlesuit thats it really but if like the beginner rewards are so worth it like that beginner manual to where i could easily get back to this in a month then i may aswell restart right

[outer spruce]

beginner rewards are definitely worth it. molotov cherry and her augment are free and farmable though

can definitely build her as a side project while playing

[ancient needle]

You'll get back to lvl 30 in like an hour or two

[royal stratus]

okok ya i mean i think i could get back to this level relatively quickly but im not sure if i would lose motivation or not or anything

[outer spruce]

you level up way faster now

[royal stratus]

awh okioki

[ancient needle]

In a month you'll get to lvl 81

[royal stratus]

hopefully i figure out how to get her again she was my favouritee

i started again after not playing for 2 years when i saw that skin release n such

but then i lose time in life so i stop

[outer spruce]

which skin, her tetris skin?

[royal stratus]

the augment one

from a couple of years ago

[outer spruce]

her augment also has a skin

[bleak stump]

You could get to 30 In like an hour or 2

[granite brook]

yessir

[calm kernel]

[royal stratus]

rhe left one

i made a new account but not sure where to access starter manual ^_^

it should just appear after lv10 right

[ancient needle]

Right after the tutorial

It should be at the bottom middle of the main menu

[royal stratus]

yeah ok i have to make a new new account

🎉

[quick birch]

idk when it appears exactly but there will be a manual at the bottom middle of your screen while you are on the bridge

[royal stratus]

ive already used this hoyo account for zenless

i think is why

[ancient needle]

I mean, I used my GI + HSR acc for HI3 when I started, and everything worked properly for me

The true cause of this bug is unknown afaik

[outer spruce]

yeah my hoyo acc is my GI acc

[ancient needle]

Gotta make a new acc then, yeah

[royal stratus]

i might just be blind

i may asw stick to my old one it has returnee event which is still nicee

or is it really not worth it

[ancient needle]

Returnee is extremely shit

Also your leveling will still be slow on that acc afaik

[tall flax]

Saddest looking supports ever

[royal stratus]

awh alr

[ancient needle]

RS instead of PS is sadder, dw

[quick birch]

i mean they're fine no cora cope

[tall flax]

Considering my first 3 P2s are of different element, I’m feeling hopeful that I could get full coverage

[ancient needle]

That's not how coverage works

It's not just elements, you should know that

Elements are quite secondary in general atp

[quick birch]

also phys is technically not a element 🤓

[ancient needle]

☝️ 🤓

[quick birch]

but yeah coverage is not only about dmg types

[tall flax]

Most of the time it’s elements and type

Stuff like Flux and Starless is the niche part

[ancient needle]

Type yes, elements not really atp

Badum actually stole a Lightning boss from Sena

[tall flax]

My Luna did better than my Badum for some reason

On that specific one last weather

[quick birch]

could be the power of low dist but still badum taking that weather at S0 is a good example of why dmg types are a secondary thing

[ancient needle]

At the very least they're of equal "value" as other niches

And yeah, Badum was better than Sena only in Nirv

[royal stratus]

got it this time yaaay

[ancient needle]

Your Badum also doesn't have Vita, and she did contribute a lot of DMG in that cycle

[ancient needle]

Btw, you wanna get an invite code, so here ya go:

[quick birch]

yeah thats it, then have fun and ask us if you have any questions

[ancient needle]

207503889AD

[quick birch]

ainoway teammate snatching them crystals

[tall flax]

I’m not feeling good about how every single patch is S rank and it’s Weapon

[ancient needle]

You can enter it in the Bonuses tab on the left of the main menu (whenever you unlock that tab)

[ancient needle]

Just make sure you do it before lvl 26

[royal stratus]

i got it hehe dw

i played a relative amount just never at the same time and i did 1 week on my recovered account until just now^_^

[thick bolt]

I mean you have to consider

• pity cut in half
• every valk is dps and support
• patches length increased to 9 weeks

so really unless you start pulling on non guarantees you should be good
You really only occasionally have to skip

[quick birch]

as a f2p you arent expected to get every valk anyway so skipping is normal. If its more about how there were A ranks in p1 p2 is still a lot more f2p friendly even if there are no A ranks because of the cost reduction

[outer spruce]

you won't really feel pressured to pull for every character

[haughty elbow]

badum missing a lot more than vita

[ancient needle]

Yeah, Songque too ofc

[ancient needle]

Which is Phys btw

[thick bolt]

it's more of a fomo effect, as long as you don't let that get to you you'll find saving for stuff you want and need is surprisingly easy and fun

[quick birch]

critical value trigger is just too strong

[tall flax]

I’m just hopeful that I can save enough Pink Balls for Vita

[ancient needle]

Vita will be deadge by the time she gets into BP

Well, almost deadge strictly speaking

[tall flax]

Probably still vital for Heavenly Shift

[ancient needle]

Yes, but ||the LoA season is alr over||

[quick birch]

and valks + weapon and also stamps i believe (idr) are locked behind buying paladins/knight

[haughty elbow]

ur buying bp?

[tall flax]

No I’m saving 5 every patch for 6 patch

[haughty elbow]

or waiting 17 patches

gl with that

[quick birch]

well as mentioned if you dont buy BP you cant buy the valk anyway

[ancient needle]

Reserve Shop? 1000% dead at that point

[quick birch]

or you just buy the BP in the patch that vita will be there

[tall flax]

Isn’t Sena currently BP rn

[quick birch]

yeah

[ancient needle]

Yes, but you still need to buy the BP to be able to buy her

[outer spruce]

rather be in xy sword waiting room

[haughty elbow]

yeah and u cant buy her

[ancient needle]

Even if you 1 mil balls somehow

[tall flax]

:/

Paywalled

[ancient needle]

Yup

[tall flax]

||Considering V2 doesn’t have new locked AR ring, LoA still relevant||

[quick birch]

also to add onto that vital for LoA, her buffs are nice but for example she is not a good dudu support and to make her actually be BiS they needed to shill her with some passives from fws and ps. You can still work with other HS comfortably in RL. ( maybe not with HoHe shes kinda mid compared to other HS units )

[ancient needle]

Vita will take a long while to get to even the paywalled BP, LoA will stop being as relevant at that point

Look at WS and WoD

Yes, they still are used sometimes, but not nearly as often

[tall flax]

I should be fine without her ig, just don’t drop p3 out of nowhere that made Luna obsolete

[thick bolt]

Luna still went strong for quite a while even till Vita
no other bleed alternative for p2

apart from susbear weathers

[quick birch]

I mean Luna should only have bleed tribunal by now shouldn't she

sus kinda took over 90% of relevant bleed bosses

[tall flax]

The worst boss for me is Ice Weather HoV

Phys and Lightning Immune
Fire Resist max

[quick birch]

sometimes you gotta take the L building a roster takes time

many people needed to do that on bleed until now

[vernal wraith]

luna still a lot of weathers, its just schedule is a hard p2 shill nowadays

[fallen shale]

The BP isn't asking me to do valk or gear level ups anymore, was that a temp thing?

[quick birch]

yeah, thats gone after you reach a certain level

[fallen shale]

Ok good I hated that task lmao

[strong void]

should i buy coralie blast hammer modification part from asterite shop?

or is there some other way to get it

[frozen crypt]

Its the only way

Only get coralie mod parts if you are at a point where you are starting to have excess asterite and don't go full broke to buy them

And ofc make sure you actually use coralie frequently enough to justify it

[strong void]

well i don't have any part 2 valks yet besides her and helia since i'm saving for next patch, so i'm guessing i'll be using her for a while

[quick birch]

focus on getting coralie to SSS before you can even considering mod parts

[wanton canopy]

Hold off on using your asterite for mod part, you should start on making your Coralie rank first

[frozen crypt]

Too early to be getting mod parts then

Follow the asterite priority in order

!faq aster

[small willow]

Asterite Priority

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view the Asterite Priority list!
-# Aimed at beginner accounts.

Also see Professor Sairaan's Asterite Sources breakdown [here](#👶beginner-help message).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[strong void]

what does "SSS Helia (Can ignore if you are not pulling 8.3 for some reason)" mean

am i to believe that the old helia will be relevant next patch

[frozen crypt]

Uh no not relevant per say but ||8.3 valk is lightning and A rank Helia can support that to some degree, but SSS is not justified if you are not pulling said 8.3 lightning valk||

Copium option

Helia flopped really hard after 7.3

Her only saving grace is that she has astral ring and is farmable that's it

[strong void]

that's what i thought. In the 12 weeks it takes to get from S to SSS due to the 25 frag limit in the weekly shop, you'd already have another S rank from the new patch

oh i found this graph for the coralie weapon synergy so i guess i'll just save the asterite

[naive pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1349036474510872576/1366651404495880282/mid-its-mid.gif

[steep drift]

Crit damage isn't good for Sushang, right?

[strong void]

bleed doesn't crit

assuming you meant new sushang

[steep drift]

ty

[ancient needle]

The memories

[sacred birch]

is it still okay to craft the weapon and sacrifice for weapon resonance when the cooldown still isnt over?

[ancient needle]

The CD shouldn't affect your ability to craft the Bounty weap

[sacred birch]

ty 👍

[royal stratus]

normal for game to freeze and crash consistently on pc ? runs flawlessly on any settings at 120fps just hangs for like 3-4 seconds multiple times in a minute and can hang or crash after a stage etc

[solar drum]

has anyone gotten augment cores in their open world tasks refresh?

I find it weird how i haven't seen it yet

[outer spruce]

i see delta augment cores sometimes

striker fulminata ones pop up once in a blue moon

[ancient needle]

Not normal at all, ask #🔌technical-help for a solution

[outer spruce]

like these

[hybrid heron]

Im at the level where I can get Hohe from the beginner level thingy, is she worth it? @ancient needle

[ancient needle]

The bundle is already very good relative to other offers crystal-wise, HoHE herself is secondary generally speaking
Her new weapon will rerun this patch though, imo it's considerable to grab depending on how she performs in 8.3 (we need more time to know about that)

HoHE will be nice for earlygame even if you don't grab the new weapon

[hybrid heron]

Ah I see

Will she be running better than my hov

Cause rn its hov, rc, and si

[hybrid heron]

If I get her, what weapon would I run her with

[ancient needle]

Just the default for now (unless you have alr done 50 pulls), there's only 1 craftable option and it's not worth spending AE Imags on

[ancient needle]

Yes

[hybrid heron]

Ah I see, oh yeah the 5400 crystals I get from it.
That would bring my total to 18k

How much crystals roughly should I save up before rolling

[ancient needle]

Considering you're super new you can start rolling right away

But if you wanna be extra safe you can just keep 17k in the tank while pulling the valk

[hybrid heron]

Even if I dont have enough to get to pity?

[ancient needle]

That's the general advice for players that aren't as new btw

[ancient needle]

Because the pity carries over

[hybrid heron]

So like 5 pulls haha

[ancient needle]

You'll easily be able to get enough in the 3.5 weeks that are left

[hybrid heron]

Is like 17k enough for valk, wep/stigmatas? or is the 17k just balk

[ancient needle]

17k is for the weap
You keep 17k in the tank while pulling the valk so that you don't end up with her being weapless

You wanna get either both the valk or the weap or nothing

[hybrid heron]

Oh jesus this gets really expensive for the whole thing huh

[abstract sequoia]

Its a fair sum, usually you can farm that and a bit more within a patch

excluding one-time sources

[solar drum]

yeah i just haven't unlocked apho 2 yet

unless apho 2 is the only map that has a chance of augment cores

[naive pivot]

i've gotten them in schicksal too

[ancient needle]

All of them have the cores

[distant obsidian]

hihi i uhm got itchy and did one 10 on the sushang banner and got her, should i invest in her now, later, or not at all 😭

[sweet flax]

the allegations in this channel are never gonna be beaten

Yes try to get her weapon otherwise you just reset your pity and have a valk with borderline 0 use during her shill

[distant obsidian]

ok thanks lmao (im cooked)

[sweet flax]

Can only blame yourself for that I'm afraid

[distant obsidian]

and i think it shouldnt be that bad it was my first 10 in the game

[sweet flax]

Wait this is a new account?

[distant obsidian]

yes

[sweet flax]

Oh wait nevermind you're chilling then, just try for her weapon and stop pulling you'll be fine

[distant obsidian]

okk thanks 😭

ok and this is stupid but should i pull for senadina? i heard her team is quite easy to put together but i also read the pins (it was from 2023 tho)

[sweet flax]

Her team is not easy to put together, as her teams have changed also senadina is no longer a good unit in terms of current reliability

She cant support newer units and her bosses as a dps were stolen

[distant obsidian]

oop ok then i’ll just save up

[distant obsidian]

hi sorry do i stop pulling as soon as i get jadeite sleeves

[thick bolt]

Yes

[sweet flax]

Yes

Stigmata for part 2 units are craftable, so when you get the weapon it becomes redundant to keep pulling as dupes contribute to very small increases that is generally whale territory

[distant obsidian]

ok perfect

i can just save now

[sweet flax]

assuming you do save and don't fold

[dapper dock]

wwheree?

@frozen crypt I need cant beat that :\

[ancient needle]

On her YT channel (which you can go to by checking her Discord profile)

[ancient needle]

What valks do you have? What gear are they using?

[dapper dock]

@ancient needle main HoV here. Look others valks

[abstract sequoia]

Thats dedication

[autumn oxide]

ram rl or nirv

[abstract sequoia]

rl 1950

i might go nirv next cycle, but not sure yet after hearing lantern is needed...

or can I just do what I did last time and let vita to the hitcount

[quick birch]

Vita should do fine tbh

[autumn oxide]

worse score

[abstract sequoia]

ofc worse score, but in RL it was enough for +100

[autumn oxide]

its time

[abstract sequoia]

1 cycle strat

[autumn oxide]

bro its rl

i managed to +100 last cycle without kiana

[abstract sequoia]

everyone had lantern in my bracket

[autumn oxide]

everyone had kia in mine

[abstract sequoia]

and unlike you I did it with atk deficit

[autumn oxide]

unlike me?

idk where ure getting ur news from bro

[abstract sequoia]

I mean no dorm lvls nor good dks

[autumn oxide]

i am missing dkeys too

[abstract sequoia]

thats more than me

[autumn oxide]

and im on +10 d

[abstract sequoia]

back then I believe I had Brick+Anu Utu and thats it. No Judah unlock

neither pinions

think of it as affixless valks

[sweet flax]

you had around -138 atk?

[abstract sequoia]

i was exaggerating, my real atk was lower than 1300

[amber crane]

Question..what are the best stigmatas for HoV?

[amber finch]

sirin ascendant

[amber crane]

Thanks!!

[ancient needle]

Keep in mind that going for that makes sense only if you're a HoV simp and wanna be using her in the endgame, here's a full guide on her if you're interested in that: https://youtu.be/CFfQGDyA248?si=3kAzRBc_lN8eXuFg

If you were asking for earlygame purposes then just slap Marco Polo TM Attila B and stop using her ~lvl 50

[amber crane]

I mean i just think she's cool and wanna use her,that's all (plus wanna build her since she is my fav valk)

[ancient needle]

So you're a HoV simp
Fair enough, you can do that as a side project quite comfortably

[thick bolt]

Slowly the HoV propaganda is spreading

Cant believe it outlived Luna propaganda

[quick birch]

What's with the HoV simps recently

They are multiplying

[thick bolt]

I'm telling ya

Lyo is a marketing genius

Top tier saleswoman

[quick birch]

Getting all her HoV funds back

[dusky sapphire]

I'm in trouble

I used gain access card on apho 2 but now I can't access apho 1

Previously I had both maps adventure tasks available but now only apho 2

Was I supposed to choose apho 1?

[quick birch]

Yeah you get auto unlock for a few weeks as a beginner . Adventure task wise apho 2 is actually the better one since it has a higher chance if giving you crystal tasks

[dusky sapphire]

No way

[abstract sequoia]

Need to expand to more servers

[dusky sapphire]

You mean gone are the days when I can have 2 maps at once

[abstract sequoia]

yeah, the excess stamina is used on expeditions instead

[dusky sapphire]

Understood. It is what it is

[abstract sequoia]

but seeing this, you will get the same treatment as soon as you unlock schicksal hq

[dusky sapphire]

Hooray!

[abstract sequoia]

or any map for that matter

[dusky sapphire]

Based. I'm happy now. Thanks Ram

[abstract sequoia]

c:

[trail cosmos]

where should i go?
and how many storyline mission chapters?

[pearl quest]

Why's there a difference in damage between Finality ER difficulty at level 60 compared to level 80? What's going on here?

[hazy trout]

Can someon tell me, wich charachters should i prioritise????

[sweet flax]

imma be honest, you are better off restarting

if you dont wanna restart use thelema, jk and rc/kira

[hazy trout]

aint doing that

[sweet flax]

you can salt your email so you still have access to different hoyo accounts with the same email

if that's the issue, otherwise up to you

not gonna force it, just a suggestion

[hazy trout]

why should i? you didnt give any reasons

[wild trail]

beginner rewards are a billion times better than the wet tissue + 3 pennies that returnee rewards give, plus new accounts can farm alot of 1 time xtals alongside the beginner rewards which puts the account in a much better spot than a returning account

[hazy trout]

better spot? what new banners?

more op valks?

[young hawk]

do i buy 4 green balls and get seven thunders? im f2p so i don’t have the bp

[wild trail]

close enough, weapless thelema wont be doing much compared to PS w/ weapon + ||new helia valk|| + coralie (filler until 3rd LoA/new AR support)

[hazy trout]

who is this valk

and coralie?

bro i have been 1 year without playing

im sorry

[storm lantern]

it was spoilered for a reason

coralie is valkyrie blastmetal, her and her weapon are free from p2 story and she's farmable in the asterite shop

[hazy trout]

so if i get PS my other account is saved?

[storm lantern]

new valk is the one coming in 8.3, gameplay content not on global it has to be spoilered here and story content is not allowed at all

[storm lantern]

you still need at least one other valkyrie with a corresponding tag which thelema doesn't have

and ideally two since coralie is pretty weak in exchange for being free and usable in all p2 teams

[hazy trout]

who can be the other valk?

[storm lantern]

for now it would be TA but she's very much a placeholder

[hazy trout]

oke, let me get PS and main my seele

let me cook

[abstract path]

where use time swirl pass i have no idea...

[abstract sequoia]

Mirage

[wanton canopy]

Universal Mirage

[abstract path]

oh

[abstract sequoia]

to get more materials and ether fuel on an attempt

just to show you which floors are most efficient

on average you can get 3 attempts in with TSP per week

just dont forget to use all 10

[spark fern]

should i go for 4* kiaelf of 2* project bunny, currently have 3* kiaelf and 2* blade durandal

[pearl quest]

Is fully completing New Year Kiana worth salting accounts?

[storm lantern]

depends on how much you like rerolling, you should save more pulls than you can get by grinding story for the same amount of time and you still have access to the story xtals but it is very boring and there's no guarantee for how many it will take

[bleak stump]

It’s really only worth it if you don’t waste too much time/ too many accs

[lilac reef]

[autumn oxide]

@frozen crypt

[frozen crypt]

real shi

[uncut agate]

is it worth getting fenhuang down from the bp for the dorm buff

[ancient needle]

Yes, you should generally be prioritizing dkeys from BP, and there are no good valks in the near future anyway

[uncut agate]

should probably look into what other dkeys are in the bp

[ancient needle]

Just make sure they're unobtainable via other means

[undone helm]

hey everyone how you doing all? what should i buy first with immutable crystallum?

[ancient needle]

Generally you wanna prioritize dkeys that are unobtainable otherwise

For the passive acc-wide +10 ATK

[ancient needle]

(keep in mind some of them require you to make another craftable dkey to actually get the ATK)

[undone helm]

dkeys?

[ancient needle]

Divine Keys

Check "Divine Keys Explained" in the pins for more info

[undone helm]

ok thx

[celest shard]

Yep that’s what I did too, got my last two keys I’m missing

Not sure what I’ll spend them on in the future but seems like we can just hold them until something interesting catches our eye.

[restive shell]

what is astral ops and elfs used for ? ❤️

[amber temple]

Got her

What's a good team for her

[quick birch]

you can use fws/sparkle/coralie for now

[quick birch]

think of them as small little pets that give you some utilitly. SS DS will be enough though until you reach nirvana and want to retain there, even retaining is possible with SS DS depending on the weather.
Elfs are mostly obtained through spending events by now but this version we also get a free S rank elf selector which is the first time we've had this so maybe there will be more in the future

[ancient needle]

She can also be used to support your SImp
SImp Badum Lantern

[restive shell]

how do u get elf selecter is it the thing to do with sushangs story

[quick birch]

you have to do some missions in the event tab and collect 5000 of the currency that those quests give you

there is also a mission related to the sushang cooking event if you mean that

[restive shell]

ahhh thank u and can i ask one more thing sorry to be a pain

[quick birch]

np that is what this channel is for

[restive shell]

what sub stats do i want on sushangs sigmatas ?

[ancient needle]

ATK

But don't go hard on them considering you're new from what I see

1 ATK line per stig is enough

[quick birch]

atk, although dont over invest into them they are not as important as you think, once you start being in RL its nice to have a few good affixes but they really only matter once you enter nirvana

[restive shell]

affixs ive got is
t: psy type hain 12.8 atk
m: ak deals 8.5 fir dmg and casting skill consumes 2.48% less sp
b: cannon sythe and rocxket hammer gain 12.3 atk and gain 19.2 def

im over thinking thinking what if its dog water etc

[restive shell]

wheres nirvana ?

[ancient needle]

Only at lvl 81+

[ancient needle]

Well, keep in mind she's a BIO valk that uses Fists

[quick birch]

the top rank, once you reach superstring dimension (lvl81+) sinful and agony will be split into sinful 1-3 and agony 1-3 and there will be a new rank above RL called nirvana

[restive shell]

im level 51 atm i believe so 30 away

[quick birch]

yeah dw about it too much rn

you'll get there eventually

there being lvl 81+

[restive shell]

thank you ❤️

[abstract sequoia]

anyway, how did you create this

@burnt veldt

[burnt veldt]

IDFK

Also how do I chekc when I created this acc

[abstract sequoia]

in your emails

[burnt veldt]

I don't want to restart brooo

I feel like I should just carry on

[abstract sequoia]

look for a hoyo mail that tells you that you created your account or something

[abstract sequoia]

please do not, you're just starving yourself with a missing headstart

[burnt veldt]

Welp then time to create another acc:( ffs

This is gonna be a lot more grinding pain

[abstract sequoia]

you can use the same email btw

[burnt veldt]

Wat how

[abstract sequoia]

[Rerolling Information](#👶beginner-help message)

the Email salting part is important

[burnt veldt]

Do i jsjt make a new hoyoverse account with the email?

[abstract sequoia]

yes

i believe thats how you do it

[burnt veldt]

Oki lemme do that rq

K done do i only do it oncd

[abstract sequoia]

i mean yes, unless you really want to get into rerolling

[fallen shale]

how do I defeat the golden beast in apho? it doesn't seem to take any damage

[burnt veldt]

I don't want to do this again

Bro it's a pain but since I don't have the starter manual it's understandable

[abstract sequoia]

you will get there again, losing 2 days is better than potential months of the headstart

[burnt veldt]

Fair

I cnat wait to get my old acc back

Then i got 2 accs to get li sushang on

[restive shell]

btw how do i change the one standining like mei is in that one cuz i made it sushang now i cant change and i dont get any effection rating 😦

[restive shell]

mei i was talking about

[sweet flax]

Keep clicking the bubble above her until it turns white

There will be a change icon

[restive shell]

okay ill try thank you very much ❤️

why cant i get a effecrion rating from her ?

[abstract sequoia]

and if it's the part 2 bridge, just switch to who you want in that hub world

[sweet flax]

?

Did you reach the daily limit

[abstract sequoia]

that only pops up on white bubbles

[restive shell]

nope had sushang for 2 days and doesnt even come up

[abstract sequoia]

but you do get it

[restive shell]

oh okay ill try in a second ❤️

[spiral badge]

!faq bridge

[small willow]

**How to change Valkyrie on the bridge?**

[restive shell]

thannk you ❤️

[abstract sequoia]

to skip the blue/purple bubble dialogue, just go to any menu after pressing it

white should pop up as soon as those ran out

[restive shell]

do the rank up options in the supply shop ever change and if so how often

rn i have hersrscher of human ego and lunar vow and i dont want to buy one incase its a waste and someone betters coming ya know

[quick birch]

they do change ~4 patches most of the time, also there is no need to rush buying the stamps since you are still new you prob dont have a/have a use for neither of the valks most people will also out rank you by now. If you do have a use for one of the both you are still not in a rush to buy stamps for one of the 2, you'd rather want to save your supply shop currency and buy stamps when it will actually make a difference. Those situations are very account specific for example if you are missing a few points to retain/promote and you feel like you've done everything else a rank up could secure you that retain/promote

[restive shell]

oh okay thank you ❤️

[fringe monolith]

help w her build?

[untold umbra]

when i get coralie and helia what do i use to build them?

[quick birch]

coralie and helia can both be obtained through the asterite shop, coralie and her sig weapon are also obtainable very early on in p2 story

when it comes to building them ideally you'd want their signature weapon and stigmatas although helias weapon is unobtainable currently and its not really a good idea to just craft some stigmatas if you are lacking prism.
for coralie you could use smth like theresa gluttony T Fu hua musician MB

[untold umbra]

Thanks

[royal stratus]

whats the easiest way to figure out whos a support and who isnt😭 trying to pick a team for the expeditions and i like dont wanna take 3 dps if its bad or anything

[quick birch]

The easiest way for P1 units is reading their kit tbh. For p2 units S ranks are both support and DPS

And for expeditions it shouldn't matter that much tbh

Just make sure to clear them with 3 stars

[royal stratus]

what does p1-2 mean:sob

i wanna get YA right? i got advised such

YA then BB then MA or SP

i got told this

but im not sure how good ^^

like this is fine right or

like use the middle girl for dmg n the other 2 for support

[quick birch]

p1 and p2 is mostly referring to units who can use the astral ring system as p2 and units who cant use the astral ring system as p1

[quick birch]

those 3 are all supports but it should work for expeditions really

[ancient needle]

Full support teams are viable at lower levels
Also Expeditions are extremely paper anyway

[quick birch]

if you are interested in team building in general its probably better to focus on the astral ring system since that will be more relevant to you

[royal stratus]

okayy mb:sob ill learn ^^

[quick birch]

its fine really hi3 can be really confusing and overwhelming if you have any questions just ask here

[royal stratus]

omg does the Sp thing mean support

[royal stratus]

that would be embarrassing if true

[royal stratus]

TYYY^_^

[quick birch]

also regarding the astral ring system check out the team building guide on the bottom

[royal stratus]

oh yeah i see what u mean i used 1 support skill an dits over ipanicked a l ot

[royal stratus]

okiee^_^

[quick birch]

no offical statement on what SP means afaik

just sp

[ancient needle]

No, there are multiple SP valks that are pure DPSes

[royal stratus]

ah mybad

[ancient needle]

The very first SP valk is a DPS

[royal stratus]

sryyyy was just a guess><

[quick birch]

np really there is no way you could know

its normal to ask questions and make assumptions

we are here to answer them after all

[royal stratus]

thankk uu really im learni

[royal stratus]

uhm also i got linked a beginner guide and its really helpful but it lists a character in the starter event as fallen rosemary when mine shows jade knight is she still like rly good^_^ just annoying partially bc she isnt lightning and like u get 2 other free lightning characters it hink

also uhm it said to pull PS and her weapon in pinned so i will do so^_^

[spiral badge]

uh what guide did you got linked? FR was in an older beginner event so that guide is likely very outdated

the guides we recommend can be found in the pins. We don't expect you to go through all of them at once either. Just brisk through them and look at any that are relevant to your current interest.

Feel free to keep asking questions here. If any are covered by the pins we'll simply direct you.

[royal stratus]

ohb ajskjskjkjs sorry

[spiral badge]

no need to apologize for that. You're new. We don't expect you to get everything right or to know everything already. Rather it's more important you communicate with us so we can make any corrections before they lead to bad results.

[royal stratus]

thats truee i just started like 5 times over years and never rly stuck w it altho now it seems much more managable considering my limited time^_^

ill try my best to ask when i remember or am strugglinggg its just embarrassing ajsjks

[spiral badge]

sure. The game has changed alot over the years so it might be easier to just treat yourself as new.

If you find that you have limited time, try to check out the pins for crystal source. There's a spreadsheet i made there specifically for those that are limited time that you would want to prioritize. Doing everything the game offers to you can be too time consuming and exhausting so feel free to neglect some activities to focus on those more.

although if you find yourself starting over constantly and don't think you can maintain a consistent activity over the long term, you may want to lower your expectations and take a more casual approach with the game.

Normally we recommend being competitive and meta because you get more crystals that way. Meanwhile casually you really don't need to get anything to enjoy the events and story of the game. You can have an inbetween of these two concepts as well.

[tall flax]

am shocked that im first with Luna
with that said, is there a Luna reference for this boss?

[naive pivot]

you're in a2

[spiral badge]

it's also early on the first day

you shouldn't be concluding results right now

[naive pivot]

the fact that you have bleed at all is enough in a2

[tall flax]

everyone else is using PS

[spiral badge]

you can clearly see 6th and beyond haven't even tried the boss yet

[ancient needle]

Yes, but you should alr know that that doesn't mean shit by itself

[spiral badge]

anyway there prob isn't going to be any reference at a lower dist. You can prob find some RL ref and adjust from there. Maybe see if past cycles can match your damage proportions for the current cycle too.

[royal stratus]

its very well done ^_^ good jobiee

[spiral badge]

Thank you. Feel free to let me know if you have any feedback for it.

[royal stratus]

mostly it was becauseee i kept losing access to the accounts before starter manual was a thing and then my latest one i just stopped playing instead and started other things aksjjsjdj i can commit long term just not a huge chunk of time hehe

i dont think ill mind toooooo heavily over being meta as my main "sidequest" is have a nice rosaliya team as i miss having her ksjsksj but obviously its easier if i already have a good core team or 2 for abyss n stuff

[tall flax]

oh cool i did better on PS despite no weapon

[spiral badge]

as long as you try to minimize the amount of limited time crystals you lose and don't take any large breaks you can probably fare fine in the meta

but again the meta isn't everything in the game. So feel free to specify if you have any non meta/non competitive goals for this game

[royal stratus]

this first 90d manual, i will try my best for keeping up a good time

however i played already 1 week on a returnee account oops

now i have again a new one ^_^

[spiral badge]

make sure to copy your credentials to a safe place. You can consider rerolling to get lucky and save some crystals too early on. We have more info about that in the pins

but if you don't want to reroll since it's a boring process that takes roughly 15 minutes at best for each attempt, it's ok to just make a new account and just start playing

[royal stratus]

i would reroll but i forgot about it existing and i started doing maybe 5h+ on this account of other things

it takes longer too due to constant freezing n stuff that i cant fix right away

quicker on mobile but heats up a lot etc

[spiral badge]

up to you really. Some may say 5 hours is small in the grand scheme of things. Others may say even 15 minutes is alot of wasted time if you're not having fun.

[royal stratus]

oops i cut something instead of just delete

[spiral badge]

no problem

[royal stratus]

yaa i mean i could but i dont really mind tooooo much if it takes all starter resources for one copy of a valk

its 1 month overall lost roughly right or so its not soooo bad

[spiral badge]

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

you can read this to get an idea of how much you'll need for rolling

generally i recommend saving as much as ~40k to guarantee both valkyrie and weapon. Gacha only signature weapons are very important for the meta in this game

as a fresh player you can prob get enough to get the new sushang before her banner goes away

and again the crystal pin covers other sources besides what's in my spreadsheet. So you can look more there to see how much you can get from story or beginner missions

[tall flax]

I feel like most of the time wasted is on boss animation

[naive pivot]

wait if you have sushang then why are you using luna

[tall flax]

Sushang doesnt have weapon ._.

[naive pivot]

why

so how badly is bleed actually needed for this boss, or can i just brute force it with something

[haughty elbow]

u could but like
the weather bonus is very very big

and typing

also end hitcount

[naive pivot]

well i have no bio and my only bleed is so not sure that's gonna cut it

[tall flax]

4 away from 900

🤨