ai-feedback-discussion

[naive yoke]

Also not a day into the game

[lethal smelt]

Where's the emotion? I spoke very logically.

[naive yoke]

Considering you focased on that and made a lot of assumptions

[lethal smelt]

When you say there's a lack of ai (when there really isn't - its just that you haven't learned to find it yet) and that the ppl heading it are incompetent, that's exactly what you imply

Shifting the blame on factors other than yourself

[naive yoke]

I made a point saying not only the ai

Also not the main point I’ve said general game design multiple times

Only ai once

There are glaring flaws with this game doesn’t make it not a great in depth game tho

Don’t need to be a vet to see it

Probably for the same reason it’s not a very popular game

[sullen igloo]

(averages 160# on the most played games on steam at any given time lol)

sorry that was a reply to the message below that

correction, my bad! its currently the 138th most played game on steam right now

<@&401466542140817419> it was fun having you here, see you never

oh now hes dming me lol

[stoic gazelle]

Guys

How can i fix anti cheat erorr thing .

[lethal smelt]

Game doesn't claim to be perfect
It's a $13-20 game under development
For that price it has more quality and replayability than the vast majority of $60-70s
I feel like even now everything you're saying is trying to justify that the game is bad, game has flaws, game is unpopular etc when all thar is very subjective.

For example it's perfectly okay for me to not play a first person shooter like call of duty for example cause I don't like that it's riddled with microtransactions. But clearly millions love it and have fun with it. So it's not really right of me to blame the game just cause my own preference is different.
I can't be playing a game for a couple days and proclaiming my grand vision and thinking it's better than years of planning by devs
You don't need to be a vet sure but you need to have played at least a decent amount to know whether what you're saying is even true or how your suggestions would cause more problems instead.
Things you think may help new players in their first few hours may ruin the experience for most others cause those initial difficulty barriers get overcome with time and effort and skill

[stoic gazelle]

how can i fix it ?

[sullen igloo]

is the game refusing to launch because anti cheat isnt installed?

oh that

uhhhh #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 may have the answers youre looking for

[stoic gazelle]

I see 3 people like me ,, no one helped them

[lament sapphire]

like in what world is it not impressive for a game like the isle to be in 138th place throughout all of steam lol

[stoic gazelle]

<@&579345586965446657> Those admins is sleeping no one help

[sullen igloo]

dont you know? games need to break 100k before theyre considered good

[lament sapphire]

true true

[sullen igloo]

did you try pinging the tech support role in that channel before the senior admins

i got it

[blissful oar]

Damn, how dare those people sleep

[blissful oar]

“Message removed” now im curious what he said (obviously dont say it here tho)🤣 is he still dm’ing you?

[tidal lantern]

The solution should be pinned in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[sullen igloo]

best to leave it in the past

[tidal lantern]

This is ai feedback discussion please try to keep channels on topic

[blissful oar]

that makes me even more curious but I’m sure I can think of the most hilarious possibilities

Aight

[naive yoke]

Yh all games with players are guaranteed to put those numbers up beacuse of the limited player pool that number also doesn’t account for the distribution of players or the fact popular games like single players never have high player counts at any 1 time

The isle is a niche game

It’s still bangs tho

And it’s probably beacuse of the small studio

[gusty meteor]

AI fish is currently non existent in the horde testing servers ( im on eu2 central )

PLEAS fix this issue because it makes playing as an dinos almost impossible. i went to all teh usual spots for fish to spawn in but found non. IM STARVING so pleas do something

[distant hull]

Is there any land AI in HT rn?

[sharp prairie]

Is this a channel discussing feedback on current ai? future ai? desired ai? just want to confirm so i don't off topic.

[thorny dragon]

It works for all of that!

It's both a suggestion and feedback channel

[blissful oracle]

where i can report a cheaters with video? here or in the general feedback

[soft nymph]

<@&933486433342222376>

[crisp scarab]

check the pinned comments in evrima na

you can dm any staff evidence

[nocturne bolt]

i havent seen a single fish in highlands lake on the au serves since the restart earlier is it just me

[civic seal]

Constantly seeing AI sliding across the ground and off cliffs flying through the air.. or in this case fish sliding across the ground

[hallow marlin]

found the guy who has been hoarding all the fish smh

[blissful oar]

It’s either or when it comes to getting elite fish it seems🤣

[jagged summit]

dude shut up!!

[little trout]

cala la boca

[tiny bobcat]

@inner cloak If a player is near the AI's spawn point, the AI spawns. No matter what animal you are.

[inner cloak]

?? Yes, I know. I'm just saying that I often get countless bots spawning near me when I'm a herbivore, but when I'm a carnivore, rarely 1 spawns. (even near an AI spawn).

[gilded flint]

@clever heron LOL, you're in the wrong place for logic and reason. Dont even try, might as well go talk to your driveway.

[gilded flint]

This is a joke, right? ive got like 1300 hours, there def needs to be more AI, there needs to be AI dinos, AI fish are extremely inconsistent, sometimes they spawn in if you sit and wait, other times, you can die waiting.

Crabs? as beipi underwater, they are easy enough to find, playing ptera, you can fly the coast for literally days and never see a friggin crab

[lethal smelt]

No, it's not a joke.
There's an absurd amount of ai and frankly I'm surprised after 1300 hours you haven't figured it out yet.
There's more ai now than before and it spawns in a much smaller radius too so that it's more easily detectable.
Aside from occasional temporary patches where ai breaks, it's been pretty consistent. It's never meant to be easy though. I don't know if you were expecting easy predictable AI every time.
(Not talking about fish - those are very random and weird).

[gilded flint]

Yes, my post was mostly about fish and crabs. Also, there need to be AI dinos. There is so much time spent in this game with nobody or anything around. Yes, i know where deer/boar/goat spawns are i have "figured it out", thanks?.....My point is, ok....next time you play, go to the swamp or jungle. Its EMPTY feeling. You have this lush, vast, beautiful setting, and looking at it, you would THINK its teeming, overflowing with creatures big and small. This is not the case, the amount of AI scattering about does not match the setting of these jungles and swamps in particular. I see more wildlife scattering about in my backyard than i do in this vast prehistoric landscape.

I can go to the creek by my house, and simply look at the water at any given place and see with the naked eye, see at least one fish, or crayfish. I simply want the amount of creatures in this game to match the setting theyve given us. The jungle??? Listen next time you are in there. You HEAR all these noises, creatures around...but there are in reality, none. Maybe a deer here and there. It doesnt match or make sense.

Just, in conclusion, they have given us such a beautiful canvas, created a beautiful world, the thundertorms are so real, immersive, i legit feel like im in a storm with the stereo/subwoofer turned up, lol....... but, its just got so little in it. The map should feel alive with creatures big and small scattering about. To me, its not even subjective, to say that the amount of AI in the game currently MATCHES the setting/world theyve given us seems absurd. Yes, i know where to go to find a deer or boar, that is not the point.

[lethal smelt]

I fully agree with your points.
Swamp has been a sad mess since forever.
Jungles don't see much activity cause the lighting/shadows are horrible under shade and the density of the foliage is a bit too high and blinding.

I think the problem is beyond ai though.
There should be:

1. a smaller map
2. higher player count per server (like at least 150-200)

[bronze grove]

Im glad someone else shares the same opinion as I do. I was just expressing my frustration with lack of AI fish , cos all i do is starve to death ever since i lost my FG deino. The map defo need to be smaller, and be able to accomodtae more players for it to feel more alive. Im rpetty new to the isle only playing it for 2-3 weeks, and i was sceptical when i heard feedback on devs on forums and reddit that they pretty much ignore anything their community suggests and asks for. I don't get why would you be so buttclentched to give your players what they ask for without hurting the vision you have for the game

[bronze grove]

For real, couldnt have said it better, it definitely does not feel like any of the people in development play their own game , cos most of these frustrations would have been addressed long time ago in my opinion. I understand having a vision for a game, and what direction you want it to go, but how are you gonna achieve and perfect that vision if you hardly care how the game runs and plays in itself. I came into the game, got so addicted and happy to finally find a game i enjoy, but the more i play the more furstrations I find. Yeah realism, hard to come by recources sometimes, but not to the point where the world is devoid of ANY life. And not to mention daily "hotfixes".. im most definitely sure this could have been addressed in any of those.

[safe yarrow]

#ai-feedback message deer and rabbits are also both invasive

[silver raven]

Wasn't sure about them

[safe yarrow]

goats are too actually

[silver raven]

I'll be honest I forgot this game had goats

[safe yarrow]

I rarely get to play things that eat them, since I prefer to be nested in

[short drift]

Good afternoon everyone, I don't know if you've already complained about this fish bug, but I'll reinforce it here, the fish AI is very buggy, making it almost impossible to find fish in rivers and lakes, and when you find them, you capture them and when you come out of the water with them in your mouth, they simply disappear from your mouth and from the game, unfortunately the isle is against the deino 😭

[sand steeple]

@short drift i am so done with looking at things like this

[lethal smelt]

@sacred sapphire your comment is a paradox
The reason AI spawns concentrated is because players choose to be that way and the AI spawns follow that pattern.
Not because AI spawns at certain areas more so more players go there more often.
There's only 100 players in a huge map - hotspots aren't really a bad thing. You can find ai elsewhere as well, just won't be as concentrated

[grizzled ether]

@safe yarrow why not? The issue isn't with needing more ai but the missable ai needinh removal, typically a server restart also fixes this issue.

I see AI issues as more complex then resolving by spawning more ai. Removing ai that isn't being used resolves several issues.

@topaz stratus I'd like to hear your opinion on this as well.

[topaz stratus]

why me, also context

oh wait nvm

[grizzled ether]

#ai-feedback message

[safe yarrow]

Part of small ai is making the world seem more alive, a while ago I saw a frog in a jungle that a galli had spawned in, it was awesome and made the game feel more like it was an ecosystem. Also corpses have an impact on performance, I don't think spawning and killing ai repeatedly would be great for the servers

[grizzled ether]

They do, just as much as a live one does, they naturally despawn after 10 minutes or so.

If no one is in the area, then they just take up resources.

I too like coming across ai that was spawned in by others, this doesn't negate that just puts a timer on it if no one is near for a long enough period.

You'd be surprised at how long an ai could stay in game just because players are close enough often enough.

The setup I proposed allows them to contribute to what you say you want, while culling ai that has gone inactive - enabling ai to spawn where dino's are.

The ai spawn would not change, just the removal of inactive ai.

[grizzled ether]

@floral iron ai spawn is fairly dependant on players in the area and moving through the area.

If your in water access I recommend going south into the delta there are better ai spawnpoints you should be able to get to farm.

DO NOT try swamps, they are broken.

[forest pelican]

is anyone else gettting disconnected from qeue??

[grim jewel]

ᴸᵉᵈ ᵐᵉ ᵏⁿᵒʷ

[soft nymph]

Need to put that in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 not in #ai-feedback @onyx crest

[trim schooner]

Whatever the solution is please put it on the top of the list

[regal lodge]

@onyx crest RIP 6 hours slow-chat now #ai-feedback message

this isnt what i mean

theres a chance their intention is to make it scarce

[blissful oar]

#ai-feedback message 1. Chickens already attack once. 2. No. Younglings need a source of food that they can fight in order to survive. You can’t make every ai deadly to juvi’s, they are the ones who need AI the most.

[stuck moat]

#ai-feedback message no, as a raptor or troodon you will not manage to take down a deer that attacks back as a freshspawn, scavanging should not be the only option for them

[sullen igloo]

we could also increase the number of baby AI that spawn while allowing the adults to fight back

depending on how complex the AI is, it could actually encourage proper hunting strats for catching the AI once you spawn in

which in turn encourages natural practice for something you'll likely be applying later in your animals life

[sullen igloo]

#ai-feedback message they are a bit speedy yeh

[stuck moat]

As a juvie you can not win against a Boar, since they litreally one hit you with their 360° attack

[sullen igloo]

so... the attack should be changed to not be 360. that doesnt negate what i said lol

[stuck moat]

I still dont think things like deers should attack, because deers (and probably goats as well) run away, they dont fight

[silver raven]

Deer fight when they need to

[stuck moat]

Deers only fight against themselves in mating season, and then only the males

[sullen igloo]

this is not true lol

deer have been known to chase down dogs that bark near their fawns

[stuck moat]

I googled if deer fight, and didnt find anything that proved me different

[sullen igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45NVHVJcoHA&ab_channel=DaveJ then you didnt look very hard

deers can be beasts

[stuck moat]

After some more short research i found out female deers fight to keep territory or protect younglings in some cases while males mainly fight for dominance

[stuck moat]

I would guess that the deers baby Was nearby in that video

[sullen igloo]

which is relevant to this#ai-feedback-discussion message

idk i probably didnt explain it well

but basically having deer groups consist of more baby deer instead of adults, and having the adults be somewhat protective over the babies would be interesting and provide hunting experience for newer players in general

of course it would have to be balanced decently well to ensure its not too hard, but it would allow for a more interesting juvie gameplay compared to what we have now

gives juvies something to do beyond "chase deer for 10 minutes"

and not just for deer but for AI in general

[stuck moat]

Maybe just let them fight back if chased for a while or if there are Babys nearby

[sullen igloo]

of course this would mean we'd need a slight rework of AI along side their hitboxes (because yes, boar hitting you no matter where you are because of a 360 hitbox is kinda crazy)

[stuck moat]

What else is big enough to acctually make a difference when fighting back are deers and maybe goats, but i think even a 15-20% raptor could face tank a goat if it would attack so it wouldnt matter that hard either

[sullen igloo]

o yah i think if youve been growing for atleast 15 or so minutes and youve already gotten your first meal to boost your diet, you should be able to get those ai relatively easily

i mean moreso for the freshiest of fresh spawns

but yah i imagine it would only apply to deer/goat/boar

infact you could technically have 2 spawn groups of deer, one for being away from sancs containing mostly adults and one that spawns specifically near sancs, having mostly juvie AI with few adults

this would make sancs alot more valuable to juvie carnis

[hoary tangle]

For me growing a Deino it is always 5 boar 10 deer a few rabbits and 1 elite fish in almost the entire river delta, I love playing Deino but AI in the water is so scarce 95% death rate to starving lol

[soft nymph]

@hoary tangle you can ask that here or in #isle-discussion for your question. The AI are spread out across the map. Just water ai spawns suck a lot so you don’t see much

[safe yarrow]

@stuck moat why did you vote yes and no? I only said one thing

[stuck moat]

My opinion on that topic always changes, i think more ai is a must, i am just uncertain about if the AI should be playables, which will happen at some point, its just a point of how players could interact with said ai, and that players can easilly tell if its ai or a Player, so more Details would do the Trick (sorry for Bad english)

[edgy ether]

Can anyone who wants AI playables please explain why?

The whole point of the isle is the interactions between the dinosaurs

If I'm playing as a teno I don't want half of the other tenos I see to be ai. Then it feels like I'm just an ai for carnivore players to kill.

[stuck moat]

The devs would have to develop Animations, sounds, Designs etc for ai that is not playable, this would also allow easy nesting as maybe you could nest with ai and dont have to find a Player partner for that

[edgy ether]

that doesn't take away from the fact that you're playing a playable version of an ai

[serene mural]

where do i report bugs?

[edgy ether]

it's like if they added a boar, but you could give it different colours and had more attacks and now it's a playable!

like no... you're still a boar. you are ultimately just food for predators

[stuck moat]

https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/783214088456896513

[serene mural]

thx

[stuck moat]

Yw

[stuck moat]

There are pros and cons, but i think it would be better for the game to add ai versions of already existing playables as it would take less time and would allow real interactions outside of just being food

[edgy ether]

think of it from your point of view. if every jungle had like 2 ai tenos running around, would you really want to play teno?

and also, it would take away the level of compassion in this game

people would KOS way more, cause half of what you're killing is AI

[stuck moat]

I sure would play teno if there already was ai, since (if the devs do that) it would be easier to nest, or have a Herd, and there definitly should be a way to tell if someone is ai or not, like a special skin, or whatever

Many people complain that the map is to empty, altough that wouldnt create more Player interactions it would certainly make the map feel more alive

[edgy ether]

no but it wouldn't have the fun of nesting, or of being in a herd

it makes it easier but the fun bit is doing it with someone else

[stuck moat]

Probably, just speaking my mind. But like i said, more ai would make the map feel more alive

[edgy ether]

more ai maybe, but not playable ai

maybe mammals or something idk

chuck a sabertooth tiger in or smth

differentiate it from players

[stuck moat]

That wouldnt fit in the lore, the biggest they could somehow explain is Boar, and thats already in the game

[sullen igloo]

AI playables also just make it easier for carnivore groups to sustain themselves without actually having to hunt players

the only way id even be slightly okay with playable AI is if they didn't have organs but thats weird and frankly would make me upset if i thought i came across a player body only to discover it has no organs lol

[soft nymph]

@slate siren taco hunt now? Since when? I only see them carrying around chickens or frogs

[slate siren]

how do you think they get those chickens or frogs?

[soft nymph]

I’ve seen them literally spawn in holding them

And I’ve never been attacked by a taco regardless of my Dino and size

So I doubt they are aggro to players

[slate siren]

i think ive been attacked by them once, but ive seen them hunt AI

but thats not what i mean, if you go to the new SP area and smell its bascially all AI taco has killed

[nova carbon]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/778350554304479240/1361029975821652139 @devout sphinx
Coastal events like this would be awesome. If it's somewhat rare after a huge storm. Why not.
I could even see other things getting washed up:

• Seaweed for herbivores
• Fish
• Trash/Debris (maybe used as some sort of building material for gen1s idk)
  Also other events like:
• sea turtle hatching
• a seal congregation

[devout sphinx]

yeah true, you can do with this Suggestion a lot

[brazen kayak]

I know this has probably been said a 100 times, but sanctuaries need small prey for carnivores , frogs, chickens, anything, Ive got to a point I dont even go anymore unless im playing a herbi

[inner cloak]

Really need it, especially for the turtle troodon running at 13km Now

[severe sierra]

Why do land mammal AI “sense” deinos submerged in a river? Non-submerged, okay. But, if a sentient human can’t tell if there’s a croc, why does a digiboar?

[ripe harness]

You're so real for this suggestion, the swamp should be the number one place for growing a gator but it feels nearly impossible because there's almost nothing there.

[ripe harness]

Btw I gotta ask, has anyone else noitced that fish almost never spawn as much as they used to? Be it in swamps or south river or other rivers you almost never see fish

[soft nymph]

Cause water spawns are broken….

[warm gale]

@compact walrus not that you have to lol. just make it a option to go over there if you want and survive

also delete your message supposed to discuss in here my friend

[soft nymph]

@cloud tusk It’s a sound trap to lure people toward you so they can hunt. No idea why you put it in a feedback channel. It’s not a report channel

[cloud tusk]

ahhhh I didn't know. it's been spookin me, lol. also mb, I figured that the discussion channel was for.. discussing, whilst the feedback channel was general feedback

[soft nymph]

There’s multiple feedback channels. For bug reports you use #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[lethal smelt]

@blazing pilot have you played hordetest?
Big ai overhaul in terms of spawning, rustling bushes when running, consistently making sounds, aggressive behavior, etc

[alpine narwhal]

The bush sounds in hordetest need to be reverted for players and kept for ai

[alpine narwhal]

There’s no reason I should be hearing a baby cera in a bush before I can see it, but ai is literally meant to be found so this is ok. Not ok for players. Watch nickboays video on how bad the bush sounds are

[blazing pilot]

I have not, but this is great news. Thank you!

[lethal smelt]

What do you mean no reason?
Of course there is every reason. Sounds is a key factor in how animals detect others. Sight is actually the least reliable detector.
Why should I watch a video when I have experienced it myself lol
It's a wonderful new addition

I do agree volume should be reduced for small creatures and increased for larger ones tho

[alpine narwhal]

For one I feel like there was not really a need to change the foliage sounds in the first place, but if they want to spend time making their bushes sound more bushy that’s fine with me. Secondly, being able to hear players from inside of bushes: it makes sense, bushes make noise. But being able to hear them from great distances, when they are crouched, and incredibly tiny, is nonsense and kills ambushing/hiding. Using sounds to locate people is ok, but not when it’s busted and not necessary- we have tracking if you want to find a hidden player. For AI, I’m all for increasing the ability to locate them by all means necessary. We don’t have to worry about their experience. As for the bush sounds here are the changes I’d make:
Sound is based on size. We don’t get ambushed by stego and we can’t hear tiny juvies trying to hide a mile away.
Sound is based on movement. Crouching players can hide and ambush prey effectively, but running around and panicking in foliage will get you noticed just as it does in real life.
AI creatures create heavy disturbance. Anything that makes a deer or pig more noticeable to players is a win, because the lack of AI isn’t the issue most of the time, it’s the lack of awareness.

[winter laurel]

I do agree your suggestions for a more nuanced bush noise mechanic based on animal size and speed (a sitting/still dino should make no noise in a bush, for example) needs to be added to the game. However, I disagree that tracking is sufficient to find a hidden player. The existing tracking system only works to find a hidden player IF you already know they are there, AND the dinosaur has moved recently, AND has moved far enough away to generate tracks. That makes detecting an ambush basically impossible as long as you have a hill or bush in between you and the attacker right now, when honestly a successful ambusher should need to be careful of movement speed to stay stealthy

[alpine narwhal]

Tracking needs its own overhaul- but in my case it should be the main factor in finding players you can’t see

[winter laurel]

What would you suggest for tracking? I'd prefer if tracking was the long distance method for finding players you can't see, with the bush noises being more short distance. It also dovetails nicely with galli's paranoia mechanic

[alpine narwhal]

Not exactly my idea, but my adjustment to an old idea posted on Reddit like.. years ago. Odor zones:
All creatures produce odor- a big circle around a creature representing its stink, called an odor zone.
All creatures also have an odor detection range, a big circle around a creature representing its range of detecting other player’s odor zones. Carnivores would have a detection range around the size of their scent range, and herbivores would have a detection range much smaller, around the size of their odor production range.
Odor zones work just like other zones- they appear on the compass and encircle your scent menu when entered.
The biggest difference between odor zones and other zones is that you can only smell an odor zone when it is within your detection range. Another difference is that, unlike migrations and patrols, you can have multiple odor zones in one spot, since they follow players and not spots on the map. Naturally this would cause a lot of confusion if hunting a large group, being in a group, or simply being in an area with many dinosaurs. The solution to this- when dinosaurs of the same species are in close proximity, their odor zones combine to create a larger one.
Here is a way odor zones can be used against common problems such as mix/overpacking:
Allow odor confusion- If different species are in an area their odors will not combine (herbivore odors always combine). This generally does not affect hunts, unless one party has a species they shouldn’t. If the same species are in an area but one is not in a group with the others (overpacking), their odors will also not combine (doesn’t apply to herbivores as well). People in hotspots are also affected by odor confusion.
The intent of odor zones is not for players to be able to locate a player exactly, it is to know when they are in the general vicinity of players and can start looking for tracks.

Odor confusion puts players at a disadvantage because say, a mixpacking dilo is attempting to hunt by finding the odor of something, but his cerato friend’s stink is in the way keeping him from smelling anything. My reasoning for excluding herbivores from this is herding- I don’t see a problem with it and they are naturally toned down to a balanced and huntable level by having limited food and different food locations (when those systems also work properly).

And just for clarity, when someone’s odor is within your detection zone, it will show up on the compass. When you are inside the Target’s odor zone, it will surround your compass.

[alpine narwhal]

As for tracking- I’d also make some changes to the footprints both to make the odor more useful and also to make tracking more useable-not-abusable. All footprints within a SMALL radius of your dino will be highlighted when you sniff, and pressing Q on a specific set of footprints will hide the others and continue to highlight the owner’s tracks. This way, you can simply follow a trail of footprints- but can only see them a few feet in front of you, so you won’t have the tracking power of legacy or anything. Blood however will be excluded from this, and you can see all blood trails from all distances. Focusing on a player’s tracks will highlight their blood trail and exclude all others, but unlike tracks, you can see the entire trail from any distance. Also, I’d remove the red mist effect from blood trails and just keep it as a flat red highlight on the ground. The purpose of all 3 used together is:
Odor: know when you are near someone
Footprints: find out where they are
Blood: don’t lose them

[sleek remnant]

Why are NPC animals called AI? Is it really AI? Are my GPU cycles going to move some goat around the map? Does this explain low FPS?

[sleek remnant]

I like the idea of odor for everything living, add wind too. So if you are downwind you can smell something up wind, but not vice versa.

[soft nymph]

Cause they have a partial AI in them to help them sense danger and their pathing

[silver raven]

AI doesn't necessarily mean ChatGPT AI
Everything that has the power to react to the environment and make a decision in a game is a form of AI

[sleek remnant]

So it isn't learning. It isn't adaptive, or truly intelligent. It is a series of it-else conditions and triggers. States (idel - alert - fleeing) and probably algorithmic pathfinding. GameAI not true artificial inteligence in broader technical sense.

[silver raven]

Yes it's game AI
But it still is true Artifical Intelligence
AI doesn't need to be Deep-learning or a generative model to be called that

[soft nymph]

It’s basically just a program that tells the prey to either run, call, walk, jump or whatever

[sleek remnant]

I agree. I was wrong saying it wasn't AI in the broader term. It is a broad definition of AI. Follow rigid pre-set rules and scripts.

[willow timber]

#ai-feedback message
HT is currently testing bush noises as you run through them, which AI also trigger. More noise to track them by is always helpful for the likes of Baby Troodons and other munchkins who can't see over the undergrowth. 🙂

[alpine narwhal]

I’d def love a wind system, the direction could loop around clockwise or something, maybe affect Ptera flight too

[misty moss]

A dynamic weather system like the one shown in No Man’s Sky would be sexyyyyyy

[winter laurel]

Yes it's AI (Artificial Intelligence), but it's not a Machine Learning model or any of the more "mainstream" definitions of AI such as Llama or chatGPT. It's more like a state machine for most games, and the decision making is typically on the CPU as a result. Artificial Intelligence just means any computer programming that attempts to mimic human (or animal) decision making. As a result, all NPCs in computer games are controlled by AI programs (whereas in TTRPG such as Pathfinder or Dungeons and Dragons, NPCs are not AI because they are controlled by the human gamemaster)

The low FPS I think is probably more explained by the code just being poorly optimized, as well as UE5 generally being heavier on hardware

Games tend to vary on the spectrum of AI fidelity - most multiplayer games do simpler AI logic because it's more work for the server to do during its tick cycle on top of managing all the players

[sleek remnant]

And NPC just means Non-Player-Characters. Which is what all bots/mobs/PVE are. It's just cool now to call it AI *now and cut it down to two letters.

[winter laurel]

I know of at least one game that attempts to have the AI monster "learn" and adapt its hunting strategy based on how the player evades it, but that's also not true machine learning - the game cheats by peeking at the players real location and strategies, and then dumbs down the monster so it looks like it's searching

[winter laurel]

Yes, but also I think it's actually proper for the feedback to be called ai feedback in this instance because it's usually intended to be suggestions to improve the AI algorithm/behaviors that the NPCs use, not the NPCs themselves

Like the fact that the AI controlling the NPCs can run them off into the middle of nowhere when startled and then doesn't path them back or despawn them was a major issue/feedback for a while

[sleek remnant]

I will give you that. It is about improving the code. In game chat when I read "any AI to eat over there?" I think is what rubs me the wrong way

Term took off in here too. Have you seen NPC/Bots being referred to AI in other games too?

[winter laurel]

Yeah that makes sense. In that context NPC makes more sense. But honestly I think the reason AI is picked in that scenario is actually linguistic, not a confusion in meaning. English doesn't like words that have multiple consonant sounds strung together. It happens, but it's less common than breaking the sounds apart with vowels. But English loves 2 vowel sounds side by side - you see it all the time, and a lot of the time the vowels are blended together into a diphthong. AI is just easier to say being both shorter and requiring less oral acrobatics. So when there's no confusion about what people are meaning, they say that instead.

[winter laurel]

I have actually. Honestly the term NPC seems to be more common with specifically humanoid creatures, especially in games where you can talk to them and interact. AI tends to be more standard for animals/beasts. Bots I've only really heard in FPS style games where you almost stop seeing it as an intelligent entity altogether and instead view it as a malicious target (actually that's used irl too for scam bots, DDOS bots, etc)

I guess what I'm saying is in actual usage, AI is the more neutral term, bot implies a hostile relationship to the player with limited characterization, and NPC implies more extensive characterization and personality which the player could be asked to engage with more deeply

[inner cloak]

@soft nymph Cerato can already grow and get extremely easy diet even with only goat and deer in its diet, there is no need to make it even easier to grow, especially for how strong it is

[safe yarrow]

younger ceras can tear chunks from boars that will rot and give the cera dots

[fierce wraith]

NA4 highlands, Ive had two frogs spawn in the last hour and a half, not a single fish or school of fish have spawned lmao

im pretty sure they spawned because two herras showed up, i ate them and the frogs, and then it went back to nothing for 30 mins before i had to log in order not to starve

packs of deer keep spawning on the lake side though

[misty jackal]

My gator lives in the east swamp and has this problem, except I don’t even hear frogs at all…I can’t risk playing it again when fish are in this state as I’m at 2% hunger

[fallen flint]

have not seen a turtle or crab in the almost 20 hours of playtime on envirma. are these creatures a myth?

[willow timber]

You see plenty of crabs as Beipi

Although that likely doesn't count since that's from digging through silt 🤣

I've seen maybe two spawn naturally?

I keep finding bullfrogs out in WRA waaay too far from the water, too. Can never pick them up, though.

[digital stag]

<@&933486433342222376> free steam gift card! #ai-feedback

[lethal smelt]

There's many of them at mudflats

[alpine scarab]

They are not their spawns just suck

[safe yarrow]

@willow timber #ai-feedback message yeah that is intended, hopefully they change it eventually

[willow timber]

That's a big oof, lol. Juvies makes sense, but always having to fear them? I suppose it makes sense to befriend a Deino and hope they know you only give about 1% hunger lol.

[safe yarrow]

#announcements message that's the patch notes that introduced it, it was not adjusted in the next ht update

[willow timber]

Aah, so it was an unintentional funny that was forgotten about, basically.

I hope everything gets an AI that can one-shot them and ignore players under a certain size. Give everybody a reason to stay on their toes during low pop, lol.

[silver raven]

Be a danger yeah
Oneshot hell no lol
What would oneshot a rex or a sauropod ? And in what world would that be fair ?

[safe yarrow]

random military bombings

[silver raven]

Ironically that might not be enough
With trike having about 60k effective HP when blocking
Which is more than most modern tanks
Trike > K2 Black Panther

[safe yarrow]

nukes

[silver raven]

Nuke AI for The Isle let's go

[willow timber]

Lmao now what have I started 😂

[silver raven]

It's too late
I already called Dondi, and he confirmed nukes will be added to the game next update

[void hinge]

are we ever going to get more AI dinos? like will we get Teno again? i think it would be cool for the game to add them. maybe make it a server option to allow them. make them a separate category from the AI boars, deer, and goats.

[sullen igloo]

unfortunately yes

[void hinge]

Why unfortunately? I think it would be cool

[sullen igloo]

walking buffets for apexes/mid tiers are my main concern

a tenontosaurus will provide every single diet to an allosaurus and a sizeable amount of meat (that will presumably be dots, it'd be odd for teno to not be on its diet)

god forbid they go for diablo/maia AI

with even larger organs and even more meat

and then you have the issue of "why would i play an AI animal?"

personally if i see another of my species, i want to know its a player and have that connection. you would lose a bit of that with AI animals wandering around

i also worry about how they'll act, considering the games history of AI has them either being heat seaking missles of death or walking bags of diet

[charred dew]

At least make the AI travel through a certain route, and if they get spooked, they will flee but eventually get back to their route.

this can solve most of the problem of ai stuck in some random cliff or bushes

And make small AI like chickens, frogs, and crabs move slower.
Imagine a newly spawned Herrera desperately running through the dense jungle, trying to catch a single frog and about to starve to death.

[fiery ledge]

how do the fish spawn work ?

[tiny bobcat]

Every AI has a set spawn point when you go the these spawn points the AI will spawn. right now some of the fish spawns don't work.

[fiery ledge]

thanks man

[tiny bobcat]

np 🙂

[pearl tapir]

when they do work, it spawns based on the amount of players and the zone they are in. Though it bugs out seems like or is inconsistent and after restart seems to work once as intended and cut down spawns afterwards.

though you can clearly see if they are 'working' as intended there is not enough spawns in most bodies of water and most locations making 90% of the map feel barren of life especially if there is a lack of players.

Spawns can be intense with say like 8 troodons but those 8 troodons don't need all that food, such inefficient programming.

[solemn magnet]

hallo zusammen, kann mir jemand helfen. immer wenn mein dino gelade wird, springt er ins menü wo ich dino wählen soll. der server ist abgestürzt und seitdem komme ich nicht mehr mit meinem deino rein

[patent igloo]

@slow oak Why are you writing feedback when you are playing on a modded server

[slate flax]

Fish Spawn still not working ? im swimming since yesterday , not a single fish , lost 50% food

[dim latch]

I find them without looking to much. The big ones arer rare but I found 2-3 with a beipe yesterday

[slate flax]

I didnt even found small ones

[dim latch]

I usually move along the river, are u staying in te same area?

[slow oak]

I’m not 💀 I said the servers need to be bigger for this little ai spawns

I’m glad you read it all without jumping to conclusions or anything
||❌ ||

[wet path]

Wens auf dem offi Server war ist der deino weg ( solltest aber vorher ein paar mal raus und wieder rein) kann das Problem manchmal fixen. Wars auf den inoffi kanst ja mal bein dc. Von dem server nachfragen ( bzw. Dein Problem schildern am besten mit Screenshots und so die das beweisen) gibt server die dir das erstatten in dem sie dich einfach wieder wachsen lassen

[sullen igloo]

#ai-feedback message

diablos (specifically smaller ones that can be charged without carno stunning itself) are actually pretty easy kills for carno lol

cera has deino on its diet, should cera be taking out FG deinos?

the answer is no, similarly for diablo vs carno

the stun time could be altered tho yah

omg wrong message and place

how did i manage this

[glad tangle]

Does this make them spawn more?

[dim latch]

No, but if it spawned in another area u can find it. If u wait for it to respawn u can starve most of the time

For example, if u are at the pond at North access and there's no fish, It's posible to have fish at west rail access

[glad tangle]

This explains alot, south and north swamp does the same thing im finding the longer i stay in swamp lol no one else likes it so im happy here - no canni’s lol

[pastel brook]

@sharp wharf fish do spawn in delta its my best spot for fish

[sharp wharf]

i mean i swam on different servers it up and and down for soo long and i didnt saw 1 single fish

[unreal finch]

I'm a new player, got this game to play with my gf, and the EXTREME lack of food sources in ai fish/crabs/turtles is extremely frustrating. I've tried so many times to play as a ptera, but i've gone 5 ENTIRE LIVES without finding a SINGLE FISH, including cross map flight and stopping at every lake/river i cross. My understanding is that the devs don't want people to JUST survive on ai, but it feels like theres little reason for me to play ptera at all since everything one shots you and theres NO FISH ANYWHERE TO LIVE OFF OF. At most I survive off random dead animals from other dino's kills

[sinful drift]

Ai spawn where there are multiple players on a specific chunk.

Players gather around lakes-> hence thats where the AI will be.

If you are playing with 2-3 people, then you can choose to camp in the jungle and that will make AI to spawn. Although at a smaller rate as you are not as many players as the players that are close to lakes

[obsidian talon]

Witnessed it happen AI spawns in when a contesting player enters the chunk

Example

3 dilos camping on the beach

1 carno spawns or walks into the region and bam everything respawned all at once

(Possibly only for dilo beach )

[wooden remnant]

So if I’m a croc sitting on a beach where I know turtles spawn, none actually will because it’s just me there?

[misty jackal]

Yup

[undone lotus]

guys, is the completely atrocious spawn rate of schooling and elite fish purposeful or unintentional? I genuinely have not seen either one in a full 2 weeks while playing beip and deino. I always end up starving as both

[safe yarrow]

why are reactions on in this channel

[soft nymph]

🤷🏼‍♀️

[undone lotus]

I lowkey loved the flying fish glitch when there were enough fish to feed deinos 😭🙏💔

[spiral kraken]

That was a nice feeling.

[wooden remnant]

On the hordetest I’ve been able to consistently feed my deino on lake fish! Lots of elites spawning one after the other with just me in the lake. So maybe it will be better once they update with the next patch

For lakes at least. I haven’t been in the rivers much

[lost matrix]

how long does ity take for fish to respawn?

[soft nymph]

Forever….

[misty jackal]

♾️

[pastel brook]

@mystic raft dino AI sucks its just free food and why not like a player? so its just helpless. Plus no big AI should be a thing IMO (IK its coming back but still)

[lofty marten]

How is it possible after this long, we still suffer AI spawn problems. Even more specifically with fish. Both in swamps and rivers.

Theres been zero improvement on this for months

and thats only my biggest gripe about the game in general, is AI. Everything else is fine imo, perfect? no, but in a fairly okay state

[lofty marten]

I completely DISagree, when apexes come into play. We need BIG AI, doesnt need be alot but give some fighting chance especially with massive the map is and promote exploration and less massive hot spots

[pastel brook]

the thing is right

apexes SHOULD not be able to live off AI

[lofty marten]

Not completely

Im not saying that

[pastel brook]

just give players a reason to go across the map (game trails

remove patrols as that gives small hotspots

[lofty marten]

but give some fighting chance

[pastel brook]

make migrations larger

[pastel brook]

look. if you give large AI what will keep the populations in check

dont say cannibalism cause that does the complete opposite

to keep numbers down you need people to starve

[lofty marten]

Im not saying "large" AI necessarily but enough to not starve off the bat

but I guess depends on what you define as large

when I think "large", I think like trike and stego scale

[pastel brook]

I define large as anything pachy size and larger (in terms of AI)

[lofty marten]

pachy is small

[pastel brook]

not for AI

ai should not be food for apexes or large mid tiers you need actual player kills for that

like I said add reasons for players to move and you will see a whole lot more around the map.

give large game trails that go through each migration along with giving migrations more food in them. Give plants along those migrations to give a incentive to go. Remove patrols so these things are actually used hell you could even add a higher food drain for herbivores so they will have to go onto the trails to get to each migration

nad like I said its coming back anyway so theres no point on debating on whos right but imo apexes should require a sense of knowledge of the game not just oo ai for most my life

[lofty marten]

I think once you do reach sub adult stage, yes you should start focusing on players but Im referring to when you do not see enough players in between traveling cuz I do imagine Rex hunger rate will be fast.

Doesnt need to be like herds of free food but enough to promote less big hotspots outside of migrations so people can nest anywhere they wish and not fear starvation just cuz youre not constantly in a migration area

[pastel brook]

having ai like tenos just give a right of way for sub apexes to get to adult

[pastel brook]

we will see how it is once rex is out anyway so

[silver raven]

AI actually allows for more hotspotting since it spawns around players

[lofty marten]

Not competely true

[safe yarrow]

there's no reason to think rex will have a fast hunger drain, so far all the large playables have had slower hunger drains

[lofty marten]

It doesnt spawn always spawn around players, its more zone specific

[silver raven]

Which favors hotspots even more

[pastel brook]

did you watch that one turkishd-lite video thats outdated

about how AI spawns and such

[lofty marten]

how does that favor hotspots? if you let people allowed to explore and not have to always stick to migrations constantly, its just constant hot spots

I wish spawns were more wide spread forgiving

so more people can also consider nesting more often

[pastel brook]

making AI more widespread wont do anything we had that one update it just made growth easy

with it being more widespread it also increased the spawns so yes. hotspotting did get worse

[safe yarrow]

I hope they revert the increase when they add the new small ai

[pastel brook]

smaller AI is always good its just the larger ones that are the problem

teno ai was a piece of cake to kill even when it attacked back

[safe yarrow]

I just mean so there's less boar deer and goats

[lofty marten]

yes and no, I just dont wanna see the hot spots be so highly focused in same places always

[pastel brook]

believe it or not AI wont do anything to that

[lofty marten]

encourage people to allow to spread out more and nest

[pastel brook]

players go to said hotspots to fight cause they can see who they are fighting

thats why NE and south and highlands are used

[lofty marten]

but thats impossible with severe lack of AI

[pastel brook]

its really not lmao

ive nested many times in non hotspots

normally nest in more smaller areas

less trafic

[lofty marten]

as a herbi, its super doable cuz food is alot more everywhere

but as a carnivore, its alot harder and not same story

Ai is very spotty

and unrealiable

[pastel brook]

ive made this rq

its where I find players

red is like barely any

yellow is alright Ill see atleast 10-20 people per play session
blue is right I see people always there

I normally nest in delta as it has players (normally herbivores for me and my nest to hunt

blue is ill never nest there unless im something tiny

exception is NE and HL

swamp used to be a hotspot but then died due to patrols becoming a thing

so no AI does not help

its just open areas

[lofty marten]

That map looks right, swamps is the biggest problem.

Terresitial Carnis AI is not too bad I guess, Im just concerned for when real Apexes come in like Rex.

Biggest Ai problem remains is just with Deino really.

[pastel brook]

I guess

but then again I lived on a deino for a month with the bad food %s and fish spawns

but thats because I know where players like to cross and drink

[lofty marten]

Cant even get elite fish for while cuz theyll swallow you lol

[pastel brook]

11% is when you can kill them

[lofty marten]

swamps just needs alot more, especially for how big it is

[pastel brook]

I agree

[lofty marten]

especially Elite fish, you can find enough schooling fish when small

I know decent spots for schooling fish

[pastel brook]

same

the river by swamp inbetween delta is very good

[lofty marten]

I think introducing 1-2 more fish kinds could be good, especially for good pre-introduce for when Bary arrives

[pastel brook]

ive had ideas for AI mainly fish ai

[lofty marten]

barracuda be sick

something big and substantial for more grown deinos and something for bary and Deinos to compete over

[pastel brook]

arapaima

[lofty marten]

googled images and ya, thatd be nice

Also, i dont see enough frogs, most times when I do see them, i already too big and dont need em anymore lol

also having the big toad, Beelzebufo be nice

[pastel brook]

ha its in my name

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-prehistoric-planet-2-beelzebufo-devil-toad-frog-gif-10599055142242270721

[lofty marten]

OMG

i didnt even notice

thats hilarious

How big was it anyways? I wonder if it would even be worth having as a playable

[pastel brook]

small

but they could always upsize it by a bit

make it the bane of all semi aquatic juveniles and juveniles that go to the water

[lofty marten]

make it Elite fish size

LOOL

[pastel brook]

nah 100kg

make it a fatty

[lofty marten]

anywho, if they just fix water AI sources and maybe 1-2 more Ai kinds. and add ALOT more to swamps, game would be in great state

Also happy they are eventually adding Ava back

again also, Theres been zero improvement on this for months regarding that

it feels like they are completely ignoring anything water related

[humble iris]

I played 4 hours as a herrera and died 6 times cause of starvation, especially in swamps. Not a single animal, no ai no player, on an allmost full server. Feeling really bad, wasting 4 hours running around without anything else happened. Swamps should be full of frogs and insekts, but its totally deserted.

[pastel brook]

its a AI issue rn go delta or south or west rail or west access or highlands or northeast plains

it used to have AI but then they did something so

[sullen igloo]

#ai-feedback message what is up with people wanting apexes to sustain themselves on AI lately

its like people want legacy all over again

where you can just go to a corner of the map and spawn avas behind you for 6 hours to reach adulthood

[unreal finch]

As a new player, I just want there to be some way for you to be expected to find food. For me, any time I have ever gone to a "zone" i have found no food because ai dont spawn if other players arent in my zone. The only time I find food is when I, having done extra research outside of the game, have looked up where people tend to be just to find a chance at food, and then sometimes i go where theres players and theres still no food spawning. If you want to make it hard to get to late game on a dino, thats fine, but there needs to be SOME way to reliably get food (and then let the adults camp those places of reliable food). Thats a million times better than running around hoping food spawns. I've flown on populated servers on ptera from west access to water access to the swamps without seeing a single fish spawn with 150 people on the server. That's ABSURD. If its easy for adults to sustain on ai so that the game feels playable, who cares

[sullen igloo]

"there needs to be some reliable way to get food" not really, no

if you're bad at hunting, you deserve to starve

this game should not be holding your hand whatsoever

i do agree that AI spawns need to be reworked in general, but it needs to be carefully done. something like adult pteranodon? thats fine being able to sustain itself off AI, and should have enough AI to do so

something like a FG allosaurus however should not be able sustain itself on AI past a certain growth whatsoever

but certain things, specifically apexes (rex, spino, deino, etc), just flat out shouldnt be able to sustain themselves on AI past juvenile imo

hence my distain for deino players who ask for increased fish food values/more elite fish spawns

[unreal finch]

Then they should scale the stomach system better into adulthood so that adults can't reasonably sustain themselves on the same small game that juveniles can, or add a system that actively lowers their hunger gain from ai (decreasing down to nothing at adulthood, maybe scaled to each type of dino so some less apex predators get some small amount of food still from it but not much). Theres no reason to just not have food spawns unless you're near other players (and even then it might not spawn)

[pastel brook]

ye

[pastel brook]

I mean they do the stomach system good imo

[fresh flicker]

Anyone else experiencing lower schooling fish in Hordtest ?

[vocal aspen]

They reduced spawns a patch or two ago, they also made goats and deer attack and one tap ptera

[junior delta]

i wanna ask, if you lower the view distance would that affect the ai?

also is there different despawn rates for every ai or are they all the same? if so how long would it take?

[soft nymph]

@humble iris that channel isn’t for questions. Only feedback.

[humble iris]

@soft nymph ok. Could you give me feedback about my question in this channel then?

[sullen igloo]

#ai-feedback message

"life saving ava" no

AI spawning when you get below 70% hunger and just completely negating the need to hunt actual players is horrid

thats half the reason apexes were stupidly easy to grow in legacy

[pastel brook]

if they accommodate for new players too much I feel this game will just lose what its going for

||its already happening||

[jagged summit]

@next zealot #ai-feedback message We already have big fish. They're called Elite fish

[vernal bronze]

As a Deino I feel like the elite fish being able to eat you is kinda ass, like a Deino has claws and could rip it open. Js

[safe ingot]

#ai-feedback how do i filter to and join NA servers?

[onyx sable]

It only does up to when you teach 9% it’s fine imo

[soft nymph]

Type in something like NA into the search bar.

[idle pike]

/link

[dim raven]

Feels like no IA. just finding some chickens and thats it. no Boar or Deer. Anyone else that Problem ?

[soft nymph]

Seems like AI has vanished

[lime pagoda]

Looks like we're all back on the menu

[tiny bobcat]

What I noticed this update is that, AI often spawns in the jungles now and less in plains or it could also mean that, some AI spawners are bugged i dunno.

[last bobcat]

It seems like theyre invisible. you hear them sometimes but dont see them. there seem to be some taco dens but the tacos dont make any noise anymore. its weird. the ususal ai spots have ai rarely. almost starved as ceras. that didnt happen for a very long time tho

[desert walrus]

Sooo... are they putting food back in the game?

[digital geyser]

we just been at the new falls/waterways near east swamps - and we finding ai here - boar and deer

nb. in the past, it is common after horde test releases to public branch for there to be low numbers of ai spawn for a few weeks or even up to month before ai gets back to 'normal' (added: and various ai bugs/glitches fixed)

[tall estuary]

I think its either A, the respawn mechanism of AI is broken and therefor they're way more rare. Or it could be B, AI is turned invisible for some reason. Or C, AI is gone completely.

[ancient ember]

I've seen some deers at WA

[dusky shore]

2 deers in West rail after 2h of gameplay, and some chickens.

[static coral]

WE NEED FOOD!!! WE NEED FOOD!!! WE NEED FOOD!!!

[visual river]

not one single fish was seen today

[silver raven]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-explode-gif-25528415

[oak topaz]

BRO STILL????

I just bought the game like 4 days ago and this is not giving me faith

[uncut shale]

My professional opinion, get a refund and wait 2 years xD

[oak topaz]

I mean at this rate yeah hahahaha

I've had so much fun then the update dropped now i'm lucky to find a boar.

[uncut shale]

Yeah just get a refund and enjoy some other games for a while and keep an eye out on the updates and youtube videos to see if its worth getting again xxD

[oak topaz]

CANT REFUND R.I.P 🙃

[uncut shale]

You should be able to

[oak topaz]

I've played over the ammount of allowed hours for refund or wtf ever

you have to play like less than 2 hours

[orchid geode]

i have refunded games with 6 hours of playtime, just make sure to explain that the game is not in a working state and hope

[oak topaz]

I've got like 50 some hours logged already. we're talking 12hr play sessions

[orchid geode]

well, rip

[oak topaz]

Yeah it's buns but what can you do.

[uncut shale]

Just put the game on the shelf then and come back in 2 years stronger xD

[oak topaz]

I still love the game

Just wish they would actually acknowledge the issue

[orchid geode]

it would be a good game if they actually fixed their issues

[oak topaz]

And like I get it, update JUST DROPPED. But like, if half your community is saying spawns are Borked then clearly theres an issue

[orchid geode]

they were regularly borked for hours even before update in certain spaces

[oak topaz]

I'm not gonna say I haven't seen ai since update but it was only in new south plains area

[sullen lodge]

i just starved to death for a second time searching all major locations and not a single ai spawn

[native relic]

i just created a cera earlier and had to log out before i starved to death xD

[sullen lodge]

and i’ve only seen a goat since update

[native relic]

i spent my whole time looking for ai

[uncut shale]

The thing is, the game gets updated like once a year. THen whenever they add something new a lot more gets broken than fixed. Then it takes them months to fix the issues xD

[oak topaz]

RIP

[orchid geode]

dont get me started on deeper issues

they literally do not give a single bork about issues that have people dropping the game in droves

[uncut shale]

Amen xD

[honest aspen]

I understand things break but when the part of your game breaks that allows new dinos to grow (AI spawns) you'd feel like it would be fixed within the first 24 hours. The incompetence / negligence of these people is astounding.

[orchid geode]

well, thats what you get from early access scammers such as these 😄

[uncut shale]

Its been in early acces for over 5 years xD

[orchid geode]

we should stop talking about it here i think or we will get a slap on the wrist

[uncut shale]

well if they cant take critesism thats not my problem xD

[orchid geode]

fair

[oak topaz]

My question is how big is the team i'm so new here I have no clue about anything

Cause if its 10 folks in a basment somewhere I'll cut them some slack.

[orchid geode]

More then 10, and if they would be less, then they should be cut even less slack because they are early access and we gave them millions, but they waste it away

[oak topaz]

AI spawning in delta

[oak topaz]

This NEEDS to be fixed y'all seriously!

[next pumice]

all in one place

[smoky arrow]

either ai is fixed or the ai is only spawning between westaccess and highlands

[desert walrus]

it sure as hell isnt fixed

[smoky arrow]

plenty of ai is spawning there

-61,829.47, -297,005.534, 35,406.937

atm at least

maybe its only on eu4 tho idk

[silent saffron]

It's a bit of a shame that you have to wait 2 days (2 days and for sure more) for a ai hot fix, which robs many players their gaming fun

[grave glade]

anyone else finding hard to find plants too?

[teal hamlet]

yes

[rare pumice]

I didn't have an issue finding plants. they were plentiful in zones. Just carni AI, fish for ptero and crocs....no go

[teal hamlet]

idk if anyone else has noticed it but seems to me the ai is only spawning when you track down where the noises are coming from. Multiple times today I will be standing in an open field and hear deer or boar in front of me but only until I'm like three-five feet away from the noise will it physically spawn in where the noise is coming from. I clipped it a couple times because I thought it was buggy or something but is this intentional? https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/kxAk5hgY8FCzbFYNi?invite=cr-MSxyZkEsMTkyMTY3NTc1

[opaque rune]

plants are fine any sort of animal ai is just non existent genuinely unplayable as a carnivore right now

[plucky lichen]

yea everything would have been fine if they just added rex and left the AI alone

[desert walrus]

This seems to be the new behavior. The AI isnt visible until you walk over to the sound location

[dense sun]

AI spawns have changed. They do not show up unless you are relatively close to a spawn point (AI node).
These nodes move around, but AI only spawns for 4 seconds and if you go out of range it despawns.
It's basically broken as is.
The range they actually spawn in is quite small and this is leading to issues for players
Schooling Fish seem to be unaffected by the new system and spawns regardless of players around

this is what i found from a unofficial server admin who has been trying to figure it out

[glad tangle]

Schooling fish are affected by something, 90 minutes in north lake yesterday, 1 singular school of fish that whole time, zero elites. Dead croc..

[visual river]

idk if it is slightly fixed but i just encountered a ton of schooling fishes, no elite fish tho, but eneough to survive for a hot fix xd

[tall estuary]

is the AI still gone?

[visual river]

yea

[brazen hare]

i've starved with two crocs in a row due to no fish at all, tried to scout for some fish with ptera but again nothing

[halcyon iron]

in like 10 hours playing i saw 2 ai

more than most people apparently

[visual river]

i saw 1 elite fish in over 12hrs

[hidden cedar]

Hows everyone doing lately in terms of not starving as carnivore? Me myself has not starved yet as cera living throughout north west and middle north of the map, you have to wander a lot, look in fields and keep an eye on players

ive gotten lucky finding deer though

goat is the only ai i havent seen yet since the update

[next pumice]

Found them all....

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385354537770160160/1386119100018851850/Fish_Are_Fishy.gif

Ai is soo broken, they either under the map or ot spawnong at all. Ai fish is the worst an we have proof

[orchid geode]

land ai is invisible until you get very close

[next pumice]

What?! Is that whats going on? I can hear them sometimes but annot see them. Other times i wont hear or see them for hours in lpcations we used to find plenty

[orchid geode]

every time I hear an land ai sound and track its location, eventually i have them appear right in front of me

[next pumice]

Omg they need to fix this. ...

[orchid geode]

for land ai its not so bad once you figured it out, but deino is legit unplayble

[next pumice]

please keep spreading the word, iv been trying to show people ai is broken but so many people try an say its like this intentionaly.

[digital geyser]

as i posted earlier: #ai-feedback-discussion message

nb. in the past, it is common after horde test releases to public branch for there to be low numbers of ai spawn for a few weeks or even up to month before ai gets back to 'normal' (added: and various ai bugs/glitches fixed)

[orchid geode]

shouldnt be normal then

accepting a problem doesnt make it any less of a problem

[visual river]

so basically u cant play the game for a month and its accepted bc, its "normal" ? lmfao

[honest aspen]

What you've explained is a bug in the AI system, if it takes that long to normalize, something is wrong in the coding.

[tight scroll]

I just had this happen to me the deer I was trying to find was invisible

[native gyro]

is the ai bugged? i cant seem to find any ai . and im at my favorite place where there were plenty of ai 2 days ago

[twilit rapids]

no ai

[haughty crane]

yes, and it was intentionally nerfed. they disappear sometimes when you get close

[dusky shore]

There is a bug with invisible AI see #server-hosting there are some nice video made by admins.

[flint smelt]

Is there no ai fam? its literally impossible to survive as a baby carni psecially the bird

[limber estuary]

No AI at all, just starved with two pteras in a row without seing a single fish or anything else for that matter

[last bobcat]

Ai is invisible partially. I yesterday got an invisible taco for example. I only saw it because it left footprints and all of a sudden a ghost digged a burrow i front of me

Youre especially doomed as a troodon freshspawn. Without lying EVERYTHING is faster than you. And you cant even dig out tacos. Even chickens are faster. Dont even think about catching a frog or a rabbit. Goat? Hahahhaa nice joke tho.
Cant even scavange because well there is nothing. Also gaving big dinos on diet but not being able to take their organs out is crazy.
Idk what they have done with the trood or why. Its really really terrible.

Why do they hate small dinosaurs so much

[safe field]

Has anyone read any official developer responses or clarifications? I think we should all stop playing until there's an official solution to the AI ​​problem. What do you think?

[silver raven]

Hot take : the lack of AI wouldn't be an issue if 80% of the playerbase wasn't hellbent on playing carnis exclusively

[agile gate]

RIP baby ptara, no food for me at all.... ever.

[warm linden]

Change the AI SPAWN no fishes in the rivers

[jagged summit]

#ai-feedback message
Now this was a good thing to point out, but wow this guy really just got progressievly heated about fish spawns in a dino game 😭

[gusty yacht]

I figured it out..... Its the view distance. The AI are there... Tested it with fish as well. With epic view distance you need to get within 5 to 10 feet or they just dont populate. Same for deer, boar and goats. My guess is that this lightens server load? But means you need to get lucky....

[tall sapphire]

Hey it could be that i just dont understand you, but can you clarify what you mean by view distance causing the issue? Since 'Epic' is the highest setting, I’m not sure how that would limit spawning

[gusty yacht]

they make a noise every 2 min lol

[upbeat moon]

LOL

[tall sapphire]

let me guess, there is no way to increase the render distance for the user 🥲

[hollow island]

Do they even listen to us or even read we post in here ?
We be looking like clowns

[gusty yacht]

I think they are doing it to lessen the load of everything being spawn in at once

its ruining the game though lol

[sleek mirage]

are you guys having issues too with all the ai

sometimes it's invisible or glitchy

sometimes it's just non existent

like in north lake i stayed there a good while circling the area and nothing

[upbeat cradle]

It’s pretty bad right now. Borderline unplayable for some carnivore dinosaurs unless you get lucky.

It exists but seems like it’s invisible until you get right next to it.

[sleek mirage]

exactly when you get close they dissapear ...

and we keep starving constantly being forced to eat dead ones of our species

its bad like really bad it removes my will to play

and im sure im not alone

[upbeat cradle]

Yea I’ve only been playing community servers with increased player counts and ai spawns and even then it’s still bad because it’s still glitchy, but at least it’s doable with more

[sleek mirage]

i guess i'll be forced to do the same ...

cause it's ridiculous

was that even intentional ?!

or simply buggy due to changes in the map

that the ai doesnt spawn

[upbeat cradle]

Pretty sure it’s not intentional because ai shouldn’t be invisible until you get right next to it lol

I don’t think it’s been acknowledged though so who knows how long until it gets fixed

[sleek mirage]

yeahh i hope the devs knows that its a big problem

[native gyro]

do the devs even play the game themselfs?

[soft nymph]

Yes

[sleek mirage]

Ngl sometimes I ask myself the same thing

The game is good ! But each updates ruins a whole lot of other stuff that used to be good …

Its honestly really bad and I think the worse rn is the AI really

There’s zones in the map where you won’t find a single spawn of literally anything

[edgy quarry]

Yeah im not playing until theres an update for ai

[sleek mirage]

Very understandable…

[haughty crane]

It does NOT feel like it.

Developers are probably all paid by salary and don't effectively put much day to day effort into the game i'm guessing

[fierce schooner]

yall gone fix the ai or

[digital geyser]

prob not much comfort ... but we at east swamp around the sanctuary and heaps of boar and deer spawning for us at the moment ... (deer and boar bodies rot as well now it seems)

[orchid geode]

Man, how come so many people don't understand new AI? Just do some trial and error... they are invisible, listen to their sounds and go towards them, if you get close enough they appear, if you let them run away too far they go invisible again.... I have been able to stack boars and deers on a pile of 12 with this...

And no, if you say you don't hear any, you are either in weird spots, don't listen closely enough, have music on or you don't know what AI sounds like

[quaint dirge]

what about all the fish being gone? do we also not listen to them therefore we cant hunt it? what other spots do fish spawn? grass? sand? rocky terrain? ai is nonexistant. every single person is complaining about starving as carnivore yet in ur brain its not gone?

[orchid geode]

I should have clarified I'm talking about land ai, and no I find ai everywhere except in the water, it's easy if you listen

[quaint dirge]

ai is gone. accept it and move on. devs need to fix their game.

[orchid geode]

I have played like 30 hours of cera since update and usually I don't need to find a single player till 100% you guys are just lazy and don't listen

[halcyon iron]

I have been playing cera since the update I found a single ai

I have had to actively stalk players and wait for a perfect strike time

because a single raptor won't suffice so I have resorted to hunting mid sized trikes and dibbles

[solemn moon]

As a croc u are very dependent on small fishes, frogs, elite fish etc. you cant take away these very important AIs. Atleast make the official servers into 200 players so that it will be easier for crocs to find preys. It is almost impossible. I died like 5 times bcuz of starvation.

It is unbearable. The one time I reached 30%. And I used 1-2 hours on finding food which was impossible almost

And no one even plays as crocs even anymore

The goats are gone, only boars and deers. U barely find any boars and deers too.

[static coral]

Id say for everyone to give up on trying to get the attention of the devs to fix AI problems, cause they very obviously don't care about what their players are asking for or even need in the game. Just let the game die so they can finally see their mistakes in ignoring the biggest community request rn.

Devs if you don't want to loose people you need to fix your AI problems.

[echo siren]

#ai-feedback message "carnis unplayable because ai is broken" bruh

[fierce schooner]

the one thing with ai n yu think were all jus saying this for fun? lol grow up not all of us enjoy the boring life of a herbi

[coral solar]

I mean I hear ai all the time and when I get close i just hear it farther away??? the ONLY ai ive had appear to me the last few games has been when a chicken spawns on m yass.

[coral solar]

I mean when you're a juvie and the only food around is a bunch of full grown trikes and half size big herbis that kill you in one hit...

[echo siren]

so? go to the sanct where little herbivores and omnivores r

[coral solar]

Thats what i do every time, nobody is ever there. Except when a fg cerato is there ready t ocanni me

rn the game is basically herbivore playable only lol my herbis do fine, my carnis all starve rip

[echo siren]

so theres also scavenging and how do u think did the fg cerato do it

[coral solar]

scavenging from what lmfao i get lucky sometimes but rarely. I figure the fg either are part of a group or grew before patch lol

[echo siren]

scavenging from bodys?

[coral solar]

i rarely find any lol

[tall sapphire]

nah thats how the juvi eating fg cerato does it

bruh

[coral solar]

nibbles at body- his friend or the one who killed him then gets me for a new snack lol

[tall sapphire]

true and real.
legit as carni alone unplayeble

u cant scavange whats guarded by bigger dinos who also need to scavange because they cant hunt ai

[coral solar]

yep ;_; rn i just go as herbi if i wanna play

[mint igloo]

how is posible that in one hour not spawn nothing, not boar, not deers

[orchid geode]

Idk what to tell you, since update I brought 5 cera to 100 and all of those with a decent amount of AI I killed myself, one even entirely. If I can do it, so can everyone else.

[coral solar]

I havent heard a single ai at all today so idk where youre hearing em and ive been all over map. yesterday i would hear a goat all the time but never find i t

[safe field]

The lack of response from developers is worse than the problem

[carmine mountain]

i dont see land ai as much of an issue, more that certain places have all of them like east side of the map near east swamp there is constant ai spawns. on the other hand, water AI is now extinct and the water based dinos have basically been made extinct. is there any official response from developers about a patch coming? if not they should simply remove crocs from the game

[carmine mountain]

go to east swamp. got a raptor to full just on dear last night, constant deer and boar spawns there

[kind trout]

that would remove the entire terror of a dino going near a water source to drink it, ig they'll just fix the ai spawn

[round kraken]

Yes… *slowly sinks below the waterline…. Come to the east swamps.

[carmine mountain]

hopefully they actually give an official response soon, all they need to do is change the spawns back to how they were and send the patch out quick. seems simple to me but i also have no idea about game developments etc haha

[kind trout]

playing as a croc in east swamp is crazy hard

i always die of hunger there

[carmine mountain]

thats where i am at the moment tbf haha

only just surviving

[kind trout]

BUT NOW WITH THE UPDATE I DIE OF HUNGER EVERYWHERE AS A DEINO

BC THERE'S NO FISH ANYWHERE

[round kraken]

It’s my favorite biome, but yeah, never any ai or players

[kind trout]

I HAVE TO BE A CANNI TO SURVIVE

[carmine mountain]

say that but theres alot of deer and boar ai spawns there, alot od dinos figured it out and do actually hang there now

found two dead omi's there and some deer close to the water, annoyingly they dont come close enough to grab, possibly a good update would be that deer and boar sometimes approach water to drink so it gives deinos the chance to grab them due to them not being fast enough on land to catch them

[coral solar]

I'll try that!

[carmine mountain]

youll hear no end of spawns, some servers alot of people dont know about it, got shown by a fellow omni last night, logged in today and there was alot of carnis there hunting the deer and boar

even as deino in east swamp i can hear them and see them close all the time, just cant catch them

[reef compass]

Yesterday evening I was a cerato and I finally found an AI spawned animal. It was a deer and a raptor was chasing it, and killed it. I felt bad, but I stole that dead deer from the raptor. Even though I was still a juvenile, I was big enough that the lone raptor, also not FG, couldn't stop me from taking his deer. I want to hope he found something else, but we all know he didn't. RIP, poor little raptor dude. Sorry for stealing your deer, but I was staaarving.

[open comet]

That raptor would have pinned you and killed you if he had a buddy, it's not that deep

[hidden sleet]

Despite how hard and annoying it is to find ai sometimes, it can sometimes help feel a bit more realistic in a way where you can sometimes feel a need to stay by a body till it’s gone since you don’t know when another will come

[austere cape]

Hey dev team, just wanted to bring something up that's been a recurring problem.
Right now, AI are completely invisible until you’re close enough to basically be on top of them. This has been happening with almost every update, something in the AI system breaks, whether it’s behavior, spawns, or now visibility.
This feels like a draw distance, LOD, or replication radius issue, maybe tied to how assets or streaming volumes are set up. It’s making it hard to enjoy testing or even basic gameplay when AI literally don’t exist until you’re within a few feet.
If this is going to keep breaking every patch, can you please either:
Lock the AI systems in a stable state before pushing updates
Or give us the ability to revert AI configs or visibility settings on the server side?
We’re trying to test and play the game seriously, but this is really draining motivation when every patch resets progress or creates new issues with something as core as the AI.
Thanks

Just to follow up...this AI visibility issue seems to happen every time a new dino is released. It’s not random. That tells me there’s something in the way new dinos are added that consistently breaks core AI systems.Maybe AI controller logic, navmesh data, or visibility settings are shared across all AI, so new content is unintentionally breaking older behaviors.If that’s the case, the AI system might need to be modularized better, or at the very least regression-tested before new dinos go live. right now, it’s killing gameplay and trust in each update. Please fix the foundation before stacking more on top.

@blazing rose

[near sequoia]

Pl fix the ai and increase the spawn rate for them

[tall estuary]

is the AI problem still bad for land carnivores?

[near sequoia]

yes

[carmine mountain]

Bad for land and water, got lucky after a server reset as a deino with about 20 schools of fish in east swamp enough to fill stomach, not one single elite fish though, they stopped spawning after about an hour, still too small to catch other dinos though. It’s extremely disheartening that the devs haven’t even released anything saying that they have acknowledged the issue and they’re either working on a fix or have an idea of what’s happened. One simple message just saying “we are aware and are looking into it” is enough to get people motivated again and make them feel like the devs care

[stark hollow]

This AI fix needs to be highest priority. As a new player this is just putting me off the game, other new players will come and give up. I don't mind dying, but consistently dying to starvation is infuriating

[modest axle]

I dont even get an carni to fg anymore, i'll leave that game until this is fixed 😂

[austere cape]

i gave them the answer for 3 possible scenerios. if they let their pride get in the way and dont attempt to implement any of them then they are too prideful and will lose a lot of people for it

[static coral]

I got a 24hr ban the other day for pinging the devs with the pled for answers on the AI situation. As someone who loves playing the carnivores in the game this AI bug has completely put me off playing as much as I was before the update. (This is coming from someone who has put 500+hrs into the game before the update)

[sacred elm]

As a new player, I enjoyed the game before the update modified AI. Since then, I don't enjoy it anymore as my limited skill and knowledge isn't enough to survive without AI and without dying to bigger dinos camping the bodies I am trying to scavenge.

I fully understand that experienced players do not seem to struggle nearly as much, and I acknowledge that. Unfortunately, I'm not there yet.
I also don't enjoy the herbivore game loop. So I simply stopped playing for the time being, hoping for a change.

As a result, I updated my game review on Steam accordingly to 'not recommended'. I can't recommend it to new players anymore and stated that calmly and without hyperbole in the comment.

[fierce schooner]

start playing ur own game guys, fix the ai

[sterile osprey]

Ai ist Not working, WE Play croc and in 4 hours No fishes Spawn, Not playeble Game now.

[warm linden]

yeah, i feel it... After the Patch, the Deers and Boars are invisible cause of the View Range and fishes are not spawning in Ponds got 12 hours in other Ponds (not lakes) no fish spawn in Ponds for me.

[visual river]

Played yesterday, got 10 Elite Fish and about 10 Fish Schools at a single Place 😂 it was good for the moment but when they were gone i starved again 😂

[warm linden]

yeah, its bugged as hell

[modest axle]

How long do you guys think it needs to fix that, are the devs active on discord? Unplayable atm

[fierce schooner]

clearly too long as thousands of us have said it literally 100,000s of times n they havent even said a word abt it

[warm linden]

No developer is reading the chat i think. This will ne take a long time after a fix is coming.

[modest axle]

So there will be a long break for me and many other players i guess 🥸

[warm linden]

Yeah that will be a big Sign for them. Hope so

[sleek mirage]

AI Is still so busted … I really wonder how long it’s gunna take to fix it

[carmine mountain]

So far they’ve not even acknowledged that they’re aware of any issues. simple post would be beneficial from them and would put their player base at ease. If it was on purpose then let us know so we know not to bother complaining or waiting for a fix

[sleek mirage]

exactly what i'm thinking as well at least say something to your community ... cause right now people are all down voting the game on steam BECAUSE of that problem and they just do nothing about it

[scenic cosmos]

Ai doesn’t work fix your game player counts dropping fast

[fierce schooner]

maybe theyll do what sony did with helldivers if they wont listen here theyll listen when it starts hurting

[stark plover]

i've had so many pteras die of starvation since the update, if it keeps going the way it is they'll have to do something at some point.

[tiny bobcat]

The jungle between Riverdelta and Highlands has lots of AI

[graceful aspen]

they need to do something now. water has 5% of the ai it used to have

[stark plover]

i agree, i just really hope they fix it before everyone quits

[stark plover]

i can never find any 💔

[graceful aspen]

gewtting hard to play

[stark plover]

it unfortunately is

not even too difficult, just bad

[last bobcat]

if ure really lucky, you find some ai in river delta. north is basically death. same with forksplains. not even arround lazy lake nor westrail. sometimes you find a rabbit here and there in highlands. some buged tacos in sp. thats not how it should be

i figured if you walk arround as herbivore, there is more ai spawning. maybe thats the secret. always keep a herbivore with you, but i dont think that mixpacking should be rewarded with more ai.

as a troodon freshspawn still unplayable if you dont have something to scavange from. youre doomed at every spawn except sp. then you maaaaybe have luck finding a corpse thats not even on your diet. because like what is this diet. over 50% of the troodon diet is not even spawning

[glad tangle]

That says a lot..

[thorny dragon]

Yea, it says that rule 1 exists #rules-and-info

[static coral]

Yeah well people wouldn't feel the need to reach out to the devs directly if they'd just address their community about the AI situation instead of ignoring all of us and twiddling their thumbs with blind eyes to people literally screaming what the non existent AI is doing to the gameplay.

[glad tangle]

I work with devs from multiple agencies frequently and it is very common that they do not want to communicate. I can say from experience that the reason they refuse to communicate is they often do not have legimate answers.

[thorny dragon]

As stated in rule 1, you can contact Punchpacket

[thorny dragon]

See my previous comment

[stark plover]

even that would be an answer though, i'd be okay waiting as long as i know something is going to change.

[glad tangle]

I don't need you to disregard my opinion by referring to the rules.

[static coral]

It's to the point that's it's not even worth reaching out to anyone about the problems because they would never answer or address the issue

[stark plover]

its nice that at least one is available, but when the entire server is upset, why not put out an announcement?

[static coral]

@blazing rose can YOU give the community an update for if the AI situation is indeed being looked into?

[stark plover]

punchpacket save us😔

[pseudo skiff]

PLEASE FIX AI ITS SO FRUSTRATING

[sleek mirage]

please hahaha anyone XD

[static coral]

I'm not expecting a response 😕

They really don't seem to care that the game is in a downward spiral

[stark plover]

someone said that it might be a bug rather than an intentional change, since it was perfectly fine in hordetesting. i reaallly hope thats what it is

[reef compass]

Have to admit that with the croc population decimated by starvation, drinking and crossing rivers feels a lot safer now.

[glacial venture]

How will a rex grow without food? If it is impossible to grow a cerato?

[static coral]

Well good thing rex isn't out yet lol but I kinda doubt we will see any fix for the AI situation for at least 6 months to a year

They aren't great about doing hotfixes and updates

Until then the isle will pretty much be ran by the herbies

[charred dew]

hunting AI (X)
smashing your head into some god forsaken corner of the map hoping you will bump into one (O)
and meanwhile cera is getting buff again

[austere cape]

I gave the devs 3 solutions to 3 different causes it could be for the ai breaking, if they dont take thats their pride and stupidity.

honestly if I can find the solution to 3 different problems in a span of 5m doing research i dont get why they are struggling so bad with ai

also the ai spawn should not be died to herbivors, whoever made that decision needs to rethink life. make the ai spawn more inside of migration zones and less around the map so everyone can get an equal chance to grow instead of having to camp near a herd just to get some invisible dear or boar

[wanton fog]

Am I the only one who likes this new ai?

[static coral]

What AI? There is no AI

[stark plover]

i can see why, since it drives a more pvp style of play if thats what you're looking for. but it just doesnt work for pteras, since they cant really fight anything

[red cloak]

Bit too hardcore imo. After not being able to find killable enemies or AI for a while I finally found a trike to 1v1 as an Omni. Woulda been a fun battle, yet with a stomache of already 10% food the fight basically just isn't possible. Omni ded of hunger. Driving PvP sounds great but atm it would barely even be enough to grow let alone survive as FG most of the times

[wanton fog]

Well yea for pteras the fish type ai seems a bit off but I am talking more about the land AI in this part. It does make it more pvp based (in hot spots) but tbh I have no issue surviving purely of AI

Since they changed the AI spawn locations it took a while to get used to them. But I feel like they spawn even more then before. Its like you kill few ais get full hunger and as soon as it drops a bit you hear another ai in distance. Its harder to find for sure (thats probs why lower hours/noobish players cant find any) since you need to go to the exact source of the sound and wait for few seconds for the AI to spawn there. They also moved them away from the hot open spots so you cant hear them from there anymore. Also love that ai can fight back like a player dino would. Now you have to stay behind it to not get kicked in the face by deer. Got kicked once as troo and god dam my face was messy after that xD

[wanton fog]

It trully depends where you are looking for it. We were 4 FG carnos and made a baby carno friend. All of us survived super easily of of just ai untile our friend was more grown.

[pastel brook]

I love it

[stark hollow]

Rule of thumb if possible, but where are the new spawns generally? I'm 70 hours into this game and I'm frustrated. I'll hear the ai with no problem, but it's like it despawns at times

[wanton fog]

I can send you a map with locations where I find ai since update. The AI shouldnt despawn at least it never happened to me yet. I only sometimes run over it, since as I said it takes a bit for it to spawn in when you reach the locations of the call it makes. And also despawns right after you leave the location. But its still there it just "dissapieres" in a sort

[stark hollow]

That would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

[kind trout]

The AI is truly unbearable for Deinos and it really makes the whole playerbase unbalanced because there's not gonna be any deinos in the rivers that can kill like stegos that try to cross the rivers

or any other species realyl

The devs definitely didn't think about it happening after launching the update and they definitely didn't do it on purpose

[wanton fog]

Depends. I see multiple fishes in multiple lakes nowadays but I cannot say since my crock is fg so I didnt need to grow a new one from fishes. All I can say a lot more ppl underastimate the population of crock bcs of this "out brake" on discord. So I catch alot more players then ussual.
But I agree the fish AI needs to be increased/fixed since crocks cant really eat anything else while growing

[kind trout]

Yeah that is definitely an advantage but you have to agree with me that devs didn't plan this to happen

[wanton fog]

Depends we are not devs so we cant really know what was and wasnt planned untile they release a statement

[kind trout]

It was clearly not planned, many people post videos about fish being stuck in stones or underground and many fish just spawning in only one spot.

And it was also not written in the last devblog i'm pretty sure

and not even in the new patch

[wanton fog]

And that is your opinion. It might be right it might not. You cant know untile devs put out a statement about it

[elfin bramble]

Lol thats not an opinion. 15 hours and I saw one ai. People going 4/40 on ptera

[wanton fog]

Read my messages up. I said "yea for ptera the fish ai seems a bit off"

[undone lotus]

The developers’ silence regarding not only the fish AI spawns but also the land AI spawns is extremely frustrating and feels disrespectful to the player base. This bug has been ongoing for many months, yet there has been no official statement, no acknowledgment, and no hotfix to address the problem.

There’s honestly no need for the entire feedback thread since the devs have obviously shown a complete lack of interest in acknowledging or acting on anything brought up by the community.

The gameplay is no longer fun when you’re attempting to search for an invisible deer that spams its calls, elite fish that don’t spawn, and schooling fish that don’t spawn. Most of us don’t want a 24/7 constant pvp death match in order to not starve

[stark plover]

when it goes from survival game to starving simulator, somethings gotta happen 💔

[amber vortex]

There is another bug that makes it so AI only renders in when you are fairly close to it. So you gotta be very very aware while following the sounds as to not accidentally run past it

[stark hollow]

Yeah I've noticed this too. I've started to slow down my hunts because of this

Though it doesnt make too much difference with long grass lmao

Depends where you are I guess

[wanton fog]

Seems to me like a feature to save up a bit on server preformance. You know less models to render in all the time

[wanton fog]

Did the spawns I sended you work for now?

[stark hollow]

I haven't looked yet, I had to head out for a bit

Will let ya know for sure 🙂

[amber vortex]

Could be but there has to be a way to get decent performance with at least somewhat decent render distance.

[wanton fog]

Do you mean the server preformance?

[sleek mirage]

especially since it was all fine before ...

[wanton fog]

if you know how servers and server performance work you would know that getting rid of this many ai on the map helps server a lot

[sleek mirage]

literally the ai before this patch was alright ...

[wanton fog]

server preformance was absolute dog water

[sleek mirage]

my bad chief but i prefer not starving than server performance

[wanton fog]

I dont have any issue starving and I have a way of finding ai if you need help I can help you insted of complaining

[sleek mirage]

there's ai spot in the map but you're kinda glued to these areas ... if you wanna go to places like north lake good luck finding anything if you stick to west part of the map you have higher chance of not dying of starvation lol all i do is hunt other players for food

also deino/ptera is now almost impossible to play

[wanton fog]

yes we are talking about land ai rn

[sleek mirage]

the issue also is sometimes the ai is literally invisible

[wanton fog]

there are spots on the nothen lake but not exactly on the hot spot. They moved them a bit away so its not so easy to get

[sleek mirage]

its there like the hitbox is there but it's invisible

[wanton fog]

small rander scale of the ai makes it hard to find. Its not invisible

[sleek mirage]

no sometimes i get stopped mid run by an invisible boar until i hit it

then it appears

it's very much not there till you actually hit the thing

[wanton fog]

yes thats the rander scale. It infact takes a bit for it to spawn which might be a bug at the moment. But the ai is there you just need to wait. As ppl said above if you hunting for ai DONT run go slowly

[sleek mirage]

i hope all of that will eventually be fixed but judging by the silence of the devs it might take a while i know it's not an easy fix tho

[wanton fog]

the thing is. When something new comes out devs like to.. how to say it.. let ppl drown in it. They dont like helping if indeed this is a the case they want the comunity to figure it out on their own. Thats why there is and never will be a tutorial. Its a hard core survival game that is not sopoused to be ez ai pve game

ofc I think the fishes might not be intended but as I said the fishes I havent really tried yet. But fishes will be bug so it shouldnt even be in the ai feedback but more of a bug report type of thing

read again what I said "the ai is not invisible its there it just takes a few second to load in"

[carmine mountain]

i agree the land ai (other than most areas not having any) isnt that bad, crouch slowly towards the sound and they appear isnt too bad unless youre herarra, you cant get close enough from the trees for them to spawn, then youre expected to try and chase them down when thats not the point in that dino. on the other hand, the water AI is just none existent, one of my deinos i can only log in after a server restart, just get enough schools of fish to fill my belly then log off again in the hopes of keeping it untill they fix the fish spawns as ive not seen one elite fish. they need to sort the water ai out as a priority as theyve basically made two dinos extinct, then work on a way to improve land ai. a simple message from devs would be helpfull though

[wanton fog]

since you dont seem to get it I guess I will explain it simply. The Isle as a game is extreamly hard on server performance. Every action you do, everything that is on the server needs to be intaken by the server and then the server needs it to send the data to you. Since isle unlike other dino games have extream number of animations, quality etc. It need to take so much info and then send it to the player. Now imagine that it needs to do that 100 times for each player on the server. If the server doesnt need to be worried about multiple "players" (ai) to render to all of the players at once (how it was before). It then can be expanded for more players. That was the main reason and one of the main topics in dev blogs on why the Official server pop is set so low. Its bcs there was houndreds of AI non stop beeing rendered by the server and then if more players would be added into this the server would get laggy. As it was for the 200+ pop unofficial servers. Does it make sence? Ofc this might not have been intented and I am just nerding out rn

[wanton fog]

yea I agree for sure. The fishes seems to be bugged I still have to try that so far my deino just survived fully of of dead trikes XD

[wanton fog]

read this again

well you can say that. But on the other hand you have to remamber ALL of this went past hordtest. And its a fact that more skilled players are playing over there and that might be why the big youtubers dont make videos on the ai. So the ppl speaking up about the land ai rn. Might as well be the low hour/weaker players speaking up. But yes it isnt well for the weaker more casual type of playerbase. But for example me its super nice way to find stuff on my own

[night bough]

For those who still want to play the game without starving, play on the Petits Pieds unofficial servers. Im playing on dieno right now and the server will drop dead bodies to combat the AI shortage. There are also plenty of people around to fight and eat so you'll have a harder time going hungry

[ocean glade]

Okay, Heavily, you're the expert. What should a player do to maximize their chance of finding enough ai to grow to a size where they can hunt players. Please give me a concrete example of what a dilo (for example) can do that will prevent them from starving most of the time. I love the pvp in this game. How do I get big enough to participate in it?

[wanton fog]

I am gonna send you a dm with a map of the new spawn locations and explaination on the best way to get ai. The only down side of this ai is that you need a deacent head set that can tell you exactly where the sound is coming from

[ocean glade]

Thank you. I would genuienly appreciate that.

[sick jolt]

could you possibly send it to me too?

[green granite]

Can I get in on that? I'm losing my mind looking for food

[reef compass]

Ok, I am getting a bit more of a handle on this AI spawn. For land animals (boars, chickens, goats, deer (they added female deer btw)) they are only becoming visible when you get within about 5 meters. I suspect they adjusted spawn distance and meant to make it 50 meters, but accidentally set it at 5. Thats my running theory. And, they lessened and moved the spawn locations.

[topaz fog]

devs dont care about ai, as they said they wanna make the isle more realistic like it was before u know, i guess no one is going to fix this problem, cuz 1 month ago it was clearly the same problem )

Literally 0 words of what is going to happen to ai, clearly impossible to grow a juvs carnivore

[cinder stag]

don't try deino right now, i've had two starve before hitting 50%, can't get fish to spawn

[lament tartan]

with everyone as trikes Carno pretty much just starves to death

[inner cloak]

They want more players to play the game but they do everything they can to make current players stop playing xd

[gusty dew]

Can I score that, too? lmao ♥

[wanton fog]

Yes its exactly as you said. 1 thing I got is that there are so many more ai spawns then I initialy thought. They moved them away from hot spots so its way harder for players to find and you need to actively search for them. The 50 meters I dont think its a bug. Since after you run into their rander distance they stop making sounds and you basicly need to follow foot steps. The only thing that seems to be bugged is that they take a second or two to spawn in when you run into their rander distance. I personaly have no issue growing whats so ever and I am willing to help out anyone who asks for help.

[chrome bolt]

I myself haven't really had problems with above ground AI, like boars ect.. but I do think that fish spawns are Abysmal, most of my time playing on my most recent deino was me having to kill boar and deer that I lured into water because spawns for fish aren't that good, or other deinos who's let me eat them because they've been feeling the same thing, it really sucks wimming through the entire swamp and not seeing so much as a frog, the water biomes feel so empty and soulless

[cinder stag]

not only did they reduce fish spawns to 1 per life it feels, they also aded some shallow parts of water away from the swamp that's barely ankle deep, so if a gator was in it they woudl be basically walking on land

[carmine mountain]

theyve tried adding some safe areas for people to drink, but the fish ai is completely ruined

[stark plover]

iddk if i've just been lucky but i've been finding a ton of fish spawns when there are a lot of pteras in one place

we had a group of 6 i think and we had consistent fish spawns

[chrome bolt]

I think that's the problem, you need a bunch of people gathered in one spot just to have enough food to survive, and growing a deino takes alot of food, while hunger drains rather quickly so for solo deino getting to an area with loads of people or finding niech setting where pteras are around is a ridiculous requirement just to survive, while on the other hand it's from what I've experienced so far playing herbivores it's impossible to die of starvation, I get that it shouldn't be easy for carnivores to survive cause they're based on hunting for their food but what do you do when noones at swamp and you've been there for 30 min and still haven't found anything, move just for the spawn rates to disappear because you left the area and pray that someone's been afk up the river so food would be there

[stark plover]

yeah thats understandable. i dont think you should be pushed to play one specific way, especially when its in super specific spots like this

the only place i've had this happen is water access, other than that idk

[wanton fog]

Seems weird we were 2 crocks and 2 ceras at at the small lake nexto delta. The ceras were feeding us non stop ai so we can survive for like 2 hours and no fishes spawned. So I dont think it based on number of players in the are or how long you spend there

[stark plover]

it definitely is weird, i didnt think the spawns were based on how many people were in the area. its only been happening since yesterday so it could be dumb luck

[stark plover]

there are also like 8 pteras here so that could make a difference

[wanton fog]

I mean its kinda true that I have seen fishes mainly on high Lands BUT it was only when there was more ppl in the are and I think at least 1 aquatic in water.

But def weird and I dont think its intended that way

[stark plover]

yeah i dont either, im sure it'll get figured out eventually

[stark plover]

there is an update, it mentions the ai 🙏

[dense granite]

update? where? ^^

[wanton fog]

Yup it sounds like a mish mash of both land and fish ai under one word. So lets see how it will look like

let see if they ment this under the "jump scare"

[stark plover]

check announcements

[carmine mountain]

just seen an update, is the fish ai fixed?

[wanton fog]

I dont see any fishes still

[carmine mountain]

ive just spawned on some schools but suck in a lake so cant search for elites

[wanton fog]

aaaaam guys I think we have a problem with fishes

got 1 BUT 2 out of 3 just flew into sky to never see them again

[tall sapphire]

happens to all the ai i find too xD
btw nice orange cera ^^

[topaz fog]

It’s always, when u can see many of elite fish, in couple of minutes they are just getting throwed away for whole map or just inside of the textures

[sleek mirage]

again even after patch spent a whole 20 min in north lake not even a single sound of ai

are we sure this is even fixed XD

[topaz fog]

I bet this never gonna be fixed xddd

[sleek mirage]

XD

[wanton fog]

I found this issue so far

[topaz fog]

Usually, it happens like when I’m getting closer to the elite fish, and suddenly it just humours in the light speed threw the textures and flies away

[wanton fog]

• I spend like 30 mins in a pond and no fish spawned just in river

[topaz fog]

Imagine just starving for 1hours and when u finally find the fish it flies away 🤣🕴🏿

[wanton fog]

I managed to catch one after that and when I was like hier then the fish it didnt despawn so not sure if it going up is kinda bugged?

[topaz fog]

Idk maybe something wrong with the spawns

I can’t even understand the system of spawns like

People say that fish spawns if there is no much players in the area

[wanton fog]

well so far it seems that the spawn works as intended. It just goes up and goes out of water and despawns

[topaz fog]

Devs just have to get this done correctly instead of making elder carnivores, when u can’t even grow it to the half

[wanton fog]

land ai works just not fish

[topaz fog]

I think not a good idea to hunt for land AI for deino

[wanton fog]

you said carnivores not specifically deino

[topaz fog]

Ye just many people says that impossible to play for juvie carni

[wanton fog]

from my experience its the easiest it ever been since update. So I cant really tell

[topaz fog]

I actually bought the game cuz of deino :d

Like the playstyle

[last bobcat]

ok so i found 1 boar and 1 deer in forkspond so far, that didnt even make noises. ai seems to spawn now but how is this supposed to feed a nesting cera family for example. it needs to be more ai still.

[wanton fog]

that is not the point of the game to feed multiple dinos only of of ai. Its to get grown from AI and then hunt players

[last bobcat]

if you have babies or freshspawns they need food pretty often pretty fast

[wanton fog]

if you want to play pve you can always go to unofficials where ai is boosted. BUT idk about you I dont have issue to feed 2 deinos and 2 ceras at ForksPond purely of of ai

[last bobcat]

deinos? u sure about this

[wanton fog]

yes I have friend that bring us AI into the water so we can grow deinos even tho fishes are broken

[last bobcat]

was wondering

[knotty steeple]

2fg ceras and up to 4 smaller ones should NOT be living on ai alone 💀

[wanton fog]

facts

[carmine mountain]

The two deinos living off land ai though? It’s the fish AI that’s the issue, if the fish AI was fixed you wouldn’t need to be with ceras to bring you food

[dim raven]

boosted ? i cant find any ai on land. its my 3 trodoon death by not finding something to eat

[carmine mountain]

Land ai go around the east swamp or south plains, stupid amount of ai around there

[last bobcat]

yeah alright, yall are mighty and skilled and such and do not need to live of of ai... 🙄 spare me... jesus its just my opinion

[wanton fog]

depends where you are looking

[warm linden]

Deinos are not supposed to be feeded from land Dinosaurs. And the Unofficials doesnt have AI boost, they have the same cursed AI right now

[dim raven]

north lake

[dim raven]

babytrodoon killing something ? i cant even kill a deer or boa

[last bobcat]

therew is nothing. i just checked, rn going arround the island on the beach to see if theres crabs frogs or turtles. so far none of that

nobody can tell me ai is fixed

[last bobcat]

exactly. its damn annoying

cant even catch a damn rabbit and if chicken is running not even this

[warm linden]

it should be possible for every Carnivore to stay alive with AI, and the Troodon cant kill anything cuz to slow right now. We all dont like it if the AI is so much bugged right now

[wanton fog]

yea it sucks but if I still wanna grow it there is no other way

[carmine mountain]

Have to see if this patch has sorted anything, I won’t have chance to test it till late e

[wanton fog]

AI is not bugged only fishes

[warm linden]

No the AI is bugged not only fishes, you are lucky if u get land AI on the Server u are still playing on

[wanton fog]

its not luck its called skill and putting effort into finding a new ai spots

[warm linden]

Other Players do NOT find any AI on land

[wanton fog]

well yea then you could ask for help no?

[warm linden]

Jesus, called skill okay.. Then speak to a wall. You are a Pro or what and answering like a child

[wanton fog]

its possible you just need to get the deer to run into rocks or tree to get it stuck for abit

[dim raven]

y i tried that. deer onehit killd me ^^

[wanton fog]

yup they can attack now XD but only in the front if you stay behind it you are fine. Same with boar

[last bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

ok you are a progamer and we have our peace. happy now

[wanton fog]

I never said thats the case I just said that if you would ask for help I would help but all you do is complain that "AI is broken". I had ppl reach out to me and they no longer type here. I wonder why

[carmine mountain]

I grew a raptor solely on Ai, go to easy swamp or south plains, ridiculous amount of ai there

[wanton fog]

could you send me coordinates I want to add it into a map I made

[last bobcat]

stil you can NOT kill the ai as a troodon!!!!!

what si there so hard to understand. nice that yall have friends to feed u

[wanton fog]

juvie raptor is even slower then troodon..

[carmine mountain]

It’s hard but I took down a boar as a troodon this morning to feed a juvi

[last bobcat]

you took a boar down as a juvie

[last bobcat]

no its not

raptor has more weight on top

[carmine mountain]

It’s just above east swamp on the map, south plains I’m not 100% sure, I just used a select spawn there and there was loads running around

[last bobcat]

private server

[wanton fog]

alrighty ty ❤️

[warm linden]

as FG Troodon its easy to kill a boar, but NOT if u are still growing / fresh spawn

[carmine mountain]

One just above juvi, stay behind and bite, if it turns to agro then run

[last bobcat]

ofc because its not faster at all and doesnt bite me with its ass xD

[wanton fog]

its difficult but not impossible. I grew multiple trood since update came bcs of the insane buff he got. It just takes long and alot of patients to kill ai first when you tiny

[last bobcat]

it shouldnt be like this for being a oneshot

thats not balanced at all

alright u know what, ure almighty. smh

[kind trout]

Are fish ai back?

[wanton fog]

still not working unfortunatly

[wanton fog]

now it looks like this

[kind trout]

Thanks for informing me, i don't want to lose my deinos

I can't see the video unfortunately

But i assume it's BAD

[wanton fog]

well I found the fish only once. But lets say it like this.... 2 out of the 3 fishes just insta went up into the sky and disappeared

[kind trout]

Thats nice..

[wanton fog]

has been playing crock since update and only saw those 3 fishes

[kind trout]

They forgot about deino 😭

[wanton fog]

[kind trout]

My favourite honestly

Idk how to play other dinos

[wanton fog]

yea I just have my friends feed me land ai and I grow it that way. Since they buffed it even more

[stark plover]

havent played since update, whats the issue with it now?

[warm sandal]

Please add fishes & elite fishes in the swamps on EU4 dying here 😦 how can i survive !

[wanton fog]

fishes are bugged everywhere at the moment. I recommend not playing deinos or pteras for the time beeing

[stark plover]

mannn thats so sad, i was so excited for the fix 💔

maybe im just underestimating how difficult it is to make ai fish

[wanton fog]

yea seems they only focused on land ai even tho that one was fine

[dusky shore]

Thx for the feedback !!

[stark plover]

i decided to try out official servers and the fish ai seems to be perfectly fine on na 2. its only been about 30 mins and im getting consistent fish spawns

hopefully it stays like this 🙏

[wanton fog]

👀

could i ask your location in dms?

[carmine mountain]

Good to know after complete silence from the devs after the issues, a surprise hot fix boosted everyone’s spirts

Then they logged in and realised it’s broken even more and there’s still no fish

Seen some servers have shut ai off. Can’t we just take the AI back to how it was before the update? What ever code they used for it just put that one back

I take it back, boar spawned under watered drowned and floated up, maybe we class these as water ai

[warm sandal]

dose it give dite ! -.-

as crock

[carmine mountain]

Nope

Keeps the belly full though

[warm sandal]

full belly 0% Growth xD NICE ! wast of time

[carmine mountain]

Yep 😂

[night bough]

how is ai now?

worth playing?

[broken sky]

fine

[night bough]

well specificly water

[carmine mountain]

No change

[night bough]

[carmine mountain]

Spawned east swamp as deino, no fish at all on officials went onto a different server as ptera and no fish water access, just flying beeches to check turtles or crabs

[chrome bolt]

How long were you playing in the swamp?

[night bough]

How is water AI still not fixed, i literally cannot find anything

[stark plover]

i did not see this, you absolutely may

not there anymore though, i hopped off lmao

[night bough]

where were u at in NA 2

[stark plover]

wait whats that

am i cooked

[night bough]

bruh he didn't even do anything?

[crude wyvern]

@stark plover
@night bough
Please don’t drop player locations, even your own in public channels

[stark plover]

oh okay, my bad

was not aware of that

[night bough]

same here

[wanton fog]

yea drop it at my dms if possible

[wanton fog]

doesnt make sence to me tbh since this is ai-feedback and we share location of where to find ai

[night bough]

wouldn't be saying anything if we could even find some 😭

[stark plover]

i guess i get it for hunting people down but im not even on anymore

[night bough]

same here

[brazen hare]

are the fish still non existant?

[stark plover]

on official servers they seem to be there

i played for an hour or two and got good spawns

[brazen hare]

i will give it a shot

[night bough]

i played on two official servers and found nothing so idk

[wanton fog]

depends where cuz on the other hand I couldnt find any

[sharp kernel]

for some reason i only get fish spawns when there are 3 or more people in the area

plenty land ai when alone tho

[carmine mountain]

30mins ish

[chrome bolt]

Jeesus

[simple dagger]

shouldnt you be able to get diet from it as a cera after its rotten ? even its way less food then ?

[rugged hill]

@simple dagger AI like seaturtles can rot now, which will give Cerato diet

Just don't have a rot model

[simple dagger]

yes i know. like everything rotten gives the diet the species/ai should be.

question was if it works for crocs as well 😄
like small fish does after 8min 😄

[rugged hill]

I think so

Actually

Fish ai (Not Elite) are quick to rot because the game considers them meat chunks instead of a corpse

[simple dagger]

hmm ... still Turtle should belong to deino diet 😄

for my beloved sarah... food is food 😄

[rugged hill]

Unlikely since Deino is that large

But it also gets diet from rotten corpses

[simple dagger]

well Elite fish is and thats aint much bigger 😄
Even Frogs are diet, imo everything that belong to water should be on its diet 😄

[rugged hill]

Maybe it will get a diet update in its kit adjustment

[graceful aspen]

oooh update ???? if ai isnt fixed so help me god

[topaz fog]

Played like 1.5-2hrs swimmed all around whole main river (didn’t swim in south plains, north lake, highland) on official server eu 4, didn’t see anything at all.

[quaint dirge]

same, only way to get food is getting lucky with fish or hunting land ai that manages to spawn in water and letting it rot

[topaz fog]

Probably have to play land carnivore, but I like deino, so prob have to wait till the devs are going to fix the problem which is gonna happen not soon

[olive harbor]

SO umm where is the fish I mean i killed a fellow juvi deino but there is like no fish. SO any luck anyone

[light bronze]

the fish seem to not be respawning after someone eats them once so if all the spots get eaten then no more fish

[olive harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/vae-gif-15357506855217945854

So how am i supposed to live as a deino I mean I kill and hunt but without elite fish my growth will go no where so I will starve before I am big enough to drag anything under from land or water.

welp I am logging

[granite smelt]

In theory: keep doing what you're doing. In practice: you don't.

[olive harbor]

I mean like boars and deer and goats should be lipids too not just fish I mean deino wwas a garbage can

[granite smelt]

Trike not being on diet is also absurd

[olive harbor]

But i supposed i will fill up on this boar and log

[light bronze]

I had 2 deinos die today of starvation because the fish were gone and nobody came to water access for water

[olive harbor]

I can't make it past 40% and even to get that far is a miracle if its just fish or leftovers i starve out at 20% and Like I main deino so starving to me is neew like really new like its doesnt happen so i know wwe just had a update to fix this like this needs to be fixed asap like I can't play My dino

[light bronze]

i was at 60% and 70%. By that point even baby deino spawns do nothing to keep me alive

[granite smelt]

Deino's had a problem for a while where the map means you can only kill other deino's, and people who are terrible at the game, this update has really exacerbated that issue

[light bronze]

not to mention so many safe spots to drink

[granite smelt]

that's what I mean by deino only being able to kill bad players

[olive harbor]

Like all other safe drinkinng spots need to be just axed Irl only main rivers were left in dry season so wilderbeast and other animals have to come to the water. and crocs can go a yearwithout food if they are going to keep this my food should take 12 hours to empty as a adult

or more

[granite smelt]

you have to understand that the devs HATE your favourite dino

[olive harbor]

Rex is my favorite Deino is second

[granite smelt]

oh, my apologies

[olive harbor]

They are similiar in hunting styles ambush etc i like it for that reason

Deino that is

[granite smelt]

I think it would be cool if the stagnant water sources had a risk of disease when drinking from them. But stuff like the waterfall at south plains is just stupid, and insulting

[olive harbor]

I also like Rex, for more reasons then just mainstream media, and stuff I know allot but alas Ai needs help lol

[light bronze]

they could also make land ai go near water more. Id be fine with that. there has to be a way to keep deino alive when nobody will go near the water. you can never travel either because you starve before getting anywhere

[olive harbor]

See and add land ai to the diet. get rid of safe drinking spots they would dry up in a dry season anyway. force players to come to rivers and the ocean

Also turtles should be on their diet

sharks would be a cool addition to the ocean

[light bronze]

i would be fine even if they left it out of the diet if i could survive long enough to eat something that is

[granite smelt]

I think they should remove the cliff at south-plains and have the river flow directly into the lagoon

[light bronze]

salt croc food would be great

[olive harbor]

Why do they hate Deino? I stay out of drama stuff

[olive harbor]

or make the river feed into swamps

in sp

[light bronze]

but i like cliff diving to get away from mean carnos

[olive harbor]

and the lake in the mountians feed into sp and water access

[light bronze]

highland to sp would be cool

[granite smelt]

idk why, it just seems like every patch and announcement is a slap in the face. If Spino can consistenly beat deino underwater in a 1v1, then I see no reason to play deino whatsoever (outside of a love of crocodilians, of course)