general-feedback-discussion

[vagrant dune]

It’s not just raptors same happened when I fought dilos. I won, barely got touched and my bleed somehow got below 70%

Carno bleed resistance is terrible when it should be higher. This game put cera on a pedestal when cera bleed should be lower than carnos

[toxic wren]

I bet you got full bleed pounced by 2 omnis.

Carno’s gimmick is landing an ambush charge from far away, knocking something down, and killing it.

Not getting pounced and then proceeding to chase stuff down while actively bleeding out.

[vagrant dune]

I didn’t even get pounced I got bit 4 times and killed them both. Sat down shortly after and bleed was at 70%

[woven bane]

its susceptibility to it was removed last update

[vagrant dune]

Explain? What do you mean

[woven bane]

it used to take more bleed damage, it was tied to its movements and that was removed. its resistance to bleed is like any other playable now

[vagrant dune]

Never knew that. However it’s still lower than it should be 4 bites from an omni shouldn’t cause carno bleed to be at 70% when the fight lasted less than a minute that’s crazy

[woven bane]

that’s just omni having high bleed dmg

[vagrant dune]

Omni has high bleed damage I get that but 4 bites and a fight that lasts less than a minute is questionable. All I’m saying is imo carno bleed resistance needs a slight buff. Is dilo bleed damage similar to omnis? Because for 2 fights to last less than a minute each and carno bleed to be at 70% is very questionable

[woven bane]

yeah you got a playable which specializes in bleed and one that was never supposed to be resilient to it. 70% ain’t bad at all considering that carnos whole playstyle is being active and running, it’s inherently not gonna be the best at dealing with it, not to mention that charging has a higher multiplier

[vagrant dune]

I get that omni and possibly dilo have higher bleed damage I understand that that’ll play a part in fights against carno’s but carno’s size anatomy and thick skin should be evident in game with at least a half decent bleed resistance but I hear what you’re saying. Carno’s play style might play a part in it bleeding more profusely but the “anatomy” I guess and armour (thick skin with osteoderms) should be present in game in the form of a decent bleed resistance at the least

[woven bane]

evidently, herrera should explode from the heights it jumps from, this game was never supposed to be accurate in terms of realism

[vagrant dune]

Yh that’s true I guess all I’m saying is carno bleed resistance just FEELS slightly too low but I hear it the game isn’t 100% realistic but I can’t be playing carno no more at the moment I can’t throw away 2 hours of growth every time I have 1 fight unless I pick the traumatic thrombosis mutation. Gonna have to stick with Herrera and dilo till Rex and allo eventually come out

[vagrant phoenix]

Sorry for late reply but yeah same experiences with me, I gave up on reaching out to the Devs by now and because I'd rather play officials than unofficials Ive adopted a playstyle that's just me playing small tiers and being a menace so I don't lose precious hours lol

[wintry whale]

@vagrant phoenix I like the idea in concept, but part of the reason hackers are so much of an issue is because we're understaffed, we don't have enough people, and taking away those we do have specifically from hackers for regrows means there's just going to be more regrows

[vagrant dune]

Yh this is what I do I almost always only play Herrera and occasionally dilo or carno because there’s too many people cheating

[vagrant phoenix]

True forgot to take note of that, but I imagine hiring more people also takes time as there's countless applications and I'd assume a large portion of them are not qualified, and being understaffed is already a problem because who's going to check all those applications lol

[wintry whale]

We need more qualified applicants

[vagrant phoenix]

I tried to apply once but forgot to add the most important infos before I sent and it was too late because there's 90 day cooldown

[lucid mauve]

How can they sell accounts for 1 dollar? How can they keep that up? Its like buying a stock high and sell it for people low : P

[pliant elm]

Maybe just a little more resistance, but I don't think that's the case. The real problem is Cerato, which is practically immune to bleed damage

[vagrant dune]

Yes exactly cera is damn near immune to bleed damage. Unless a Herrera spends all their time pouncing a cera from max height countless times a cera will never bleed out. Making a cera bleed out is like trying to scratch through metal with my bare hands and that is just abnormal and shouldn’t be a thing in this game. I get the whole corpse bully niche but Cerato bleed resistance is too high.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message telling the hackers how we plan to deal with them sounds like a surefire way for them to just get better hacks before the fixes for the previous ones come out

[vagrant phoenix]

I didn't mean it as separate accounts being stolen, I meant actual secret websites selling the game for 1$, I'm pretty sure it has to do with other country currency that makes it look really cheap for us though, but I have no way to prove it other than based off the information I've gathered from strangers

[vagrant phoenix]

I feel like most of the plans the players make are the ones who are talking out of frustration and can't hold it back anymore after dying so much to hackers, I speak for myself here though don't judge me

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message
"Spiro was also the development team's hard work—it is an excellent map"

It was made by someone who stated he doesn't really do mapping and is so unoptimised that if it were to be added, download times for updates would likely double

[junior nymph]

it was also their backup plan lol

rip spero may you rest in the stars

(and iicr spiro was done in like 2 months)

[limber hull]

also not to mention arboreals just won't work on it because it doesn't have Gateway's updated forests, same with migrations

[junior nymph]

yeah

along with it making the game 13.1gb

[tired quest]

same here. we’re stuck with an incomplete game design where players have nothing to do except PvP in what’s supposed to be a survival game
broken system, graphics and FPS keep getting worse with every patch, and the final straw that breaks the camel’s back is the radio silence from the devs and the constant appearance of cheaters every day

[junior nymph]

meanwhile gateway is like 8gb

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message Amazing feedback

[wooden agate]

i havent even clicked the link yet. live sammy reaction.

yeah

[junior nymph]

crazy reaction

[wooden agate]

tbf theyre not wrong

like deino objectively is horrid to play right now because its a relic of spiro

its kit sucks and the animal itself was held up by fish AI and the map design of spiro

deino as a whole needs its kit rework bad. adapting the playable to gateway and bringing it up to speed with other playables in terms of mechanics and such will help immensely

playing deino is kind of like playing one of the non survival animals in legacy

atleast to me

[limber hull]

i genuinely wonder how you could rework deino to be more gateway compatible

because upping its land mobility sounds like a bad idea

id honestly focus on survival mechanics, like hunger drain, basking as an option, etc

[wooden agate]

i imagine there will be certain GUTS that are flooded that allow for limited movement between some water sources

like the flooded GUTS in swamp

[wooden agate]

but yeah this is kind of what i meant by adapting it to gateway

gateway as a whole has its main waterways on one half of the island, meaning deino just has less chances to actually secure kills, even when playing well

so decreased hunger drain/basking/improved water sense/etc will moreso bring deino up to speed with land counterparts in terms of its survival QOL

i think the best way i can explain it is the non survival example i used earlier

if you played therizino in legacy, you couldnt sniff. back when legacy functioned a bit differently, that was fine because food was relatively easy to find and less scent focused than it is in current legacy. but now, it can be pretty hard to actually consistently find food as animals (specifically herbivores, for this example) without the sniff mechanic simply because they were never brought up to speed with their current legacy counterparts

tldr; deino is just kind of outdated imo

[junior nymph]

I like the idea of allowing small pipes to allow small deinos to travel between sources of water but not big enough for adults to go through them meaning juvie deinos can go to wherever they please while adults will have to do the walk which they can do

[latent olive]

@exotic stag the problem with IP banning is that a whole lot of the scumbags use VPNs to fake their IP

hardware banning is also pretty difficult to accomplish as you’d need to trace a specific user’s PC hardware

[indigo gulch]

^

[exotic stag]

have some other solutions to ban people if they try nothing they just will make a lot of people mad and loose players. I know we are nothing because new people buy the game but if they love their game and respect their community they can't close their eyes more time on this subject...

I know it costs money, but why not set up a crowdfunding campaign? I'm sure players who love this game like me would participate.

[ornate pewter]

Honestly I think we may be past the age where banning IP is manageable.

Client side anticheat works, but today's cheats circumvent such programs even when they operate at the kernel level. I would imagine the common practice is to simply kill the anticheat program, then spoof the anticheat so the game keeps running.

An inhouse serverside program, that recognizes bad behavior and swiftly bans people is probably the most ideal, but this is difficult for a few reasons.

One it has to be tailored to the game, Two, it must be tailored to each playable, An unusually big task for this game, and then it must be adjusted appropriately to reflect any changes made to playables, particularly during this early access phase.

It may simply be a bit unreasonable to focus on anticheat prior to the full release of the game.

[lunar mirage]

I am against making travel easier for deino (im a deino main) simply because you can literally go to ANY body of water in the game currently

[ornate pewter]

If AI only spawned when carnivores were near it would be a DEAD giveaway to their presence when trying to hunt.

It's basically giving Herbivores special chicken and pig alarm spider sense, that goes off the moment a predator arrives.

It's my understanding that AI might have functioned this way once, but they changed it because of this very issue.

[tranquil finch]

release t rex

[lunar mirage]

"soon"

[urban flax]

It functioned like this in Legacy

[ornate pewter]

Yeah, I kind of gathered that much from older guides.

It's nice that it doesn't now.
Though chickens still have a habit of jumping you while screaming holy murder when you're trying to stay hidden.

[urban flax]

Yeah AI still needs a lot of work, but it's still better than the screaming meals on legs that were legacy AIs.

[fallow mango]

none of them read anything,they dont care, thats the true, its a waste of time

[faint folio]

@tardy rover The dinosaurs don't poop because you know people would be crude about it. That being said, you absolutely should be able to use scent to track prey and vice versa. A good example is Wolf Quest - all animals as well as their footprints release scent particles that are carried by the wind. When you go to smell, you can see scent particles floating in the air that were generated upwind of you. This system probably wouldn't work in the isle as-is... It allows players to track elk ai all the way across the map and pin down their location exactly, which would not be fair to herbivore players of the isle... But maybe the isle could take some inspiration from it

[wooden agate]

<@&401466542140817419> #general-feedback and probs others

here too ig

[vital laurel]

@vagrant dune while IP ban can help it won’t help against players who can afford the game over and over since it’s super easy to change IP as well

But doing IP, account and HWID banning will ofc make it more annoying and harder to get around which is nice

[limber citrus]

I thought they already did IP bans tbh

[vagrant dune]

Yh I get that I can feel other people’s frustration though people can spend 6 hours growing a stego or something else and lose it to an ice skating dino that one taps but yes I know they can change their IP

[vagrant dune]

What’s HWID? Is that like an IP address

[ornate pewter]

I do like the idea of scent operating on a visual level, with trails, wind, and obstruction.

In real life, many herbivores deliberately graze with hills and water bodies downwind from themselves, to guard their scent from being carried.

Such a scent system does not need to be enormously expensive, and many simple processes should reduce or mask scent.

[pliant elm]

@compact bobcat First time I see someone asking for a nerf for ptera

[compact bobcat]

It isnt a nerf. it's a fix to the trash hitbox. I stand still and can see them flying like 9 feet above me hitting over and over again without any repercussions. It isnt about them being strong, it's about it feeling super wonky and unrealistic.

[pliant elm]

If the ptera is going to have a hitbox like you want, it will be bigger than the trike hitbox

And, well, that will make him crash and fall all the time and on anything

[compact bobcat]

That's my point, if a Ptera lands into a dino, it should fall. Super simple

[pliant elm]

It may be ugly, but there's nothing you can do about it. All Playables have a hitbox like this, but different ones

[pliant elm]

This would simply make Ptera even worse than it already is, to the point of being practically unplayable xd

[compact bobcat]

"Unplayable" is a huge stretch.

[pliant elm]

No. Ptera can currently collide with the creatures and the scenery, hitbox it's just not as big as you want it to be

[compact bobcat]

You're telling me that things aren't happening the way they are. Im muting you, really weird perspective to just throw onto someone's feedback.

[pliant elm]

"I have no arguments to prove my point, so I'll mute you because you are making good arguments" Pretty much what you said

[barren crater]

Regardless ptera shouldn’t be able to apply free damage like it can currently. Sure go hunt juvis and hypsi’s, but it shouldn’t get away at chipping big stuff like it can rn

[shadow flame]

I like the pooping concept, brings more realism into the game

[vital laurel]

Up biting go brrrr

[vital laurel]

Yeah everything can collide with hitboxes lol

[green pond]

is trex on live now?

[clear canyon]

We can’t hit you from that far up. We run a risk of running into you and falling trust me. There’s 98% bad PT’s in the air the whole day. Not many are well coordinated to fight anything more than a sea turtle.

If you’re having trouble fighting us you’re bad, and that not me trying to be rude.

@adra.faithful @pliant elm I agree with Muen here and it’s not a bad thing. I think maybe you just encountered a cheating PT.

[clear canyon]

We have 25bite force max rising to mid 30s off APD mutation. Maybe high 30s with the right circumstances. Again… if you’re say a FG Tenno or Carno getting picked away by a PT. You deserved to die.

Not to mention we have 45hp. We’re one tap to anything but a Troodon, Bepei or a Herra.

If you can’t hit a bird once… maybe run and hide 😭👏🏼 we run out of Stam fast and can’t chase you as long as you can run on the ground. In most areas.

Problem solved. 👍🏼

[median tusk]

Pppfffffff so long to get these new updates.... Honestly it's been a long time coming... Like, the T-rex has been 2 years.... And the rest is super long.... I'm depressed. Mom, help. aaaaaaah

[median tusk]

So friendly

[latent olive]

<@&933486433342222376>

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message @tall yarrow there is no apex control on official servers and the admins especially don’t randomly kill big dinos. It’s just hackers liking to kill big things because that gives them more satisfaction.

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

• The benefit to the parents is getting to spawn allies in a controlled environment of their choosing

• nesting grounds are planned and will be tied to patrol zones. Their mechanics are still being worked on

• you need to actively care for young, and can put bodies and plants by them when they are juvie. Storage would only encourage afk growing

• the stick scenting bug needs to be fixed. Ambivalent on mud nests.

• babies if raised correctly grow too quickly for this to be viable for long and they can move fairly quickly after they hit juvie. I often build the nest, pop the babies out, and instantly destroy the nest and hide the kids and go from there.

• hard agree that nesting should be slightly less randomized, if only so skins are less hideous

• i have a feeling achievements will unlock different patterns and colors (hopefully...)

[tall yarrow]

Thank God, but honestly it came to me when i was slayed on NA2 as fg trike and then found out that trikes are disabled on this serv

[ornate pewter]

Pretty sure the call for a Ptera nerf was the result of a cheating Ptera. Ptera hit box is pretty much spot on, if you miss your schooling fish, by even a little bit, you don't get any.

Ptera can also easily collide with things, and immediately falls, usually a few meters before having a chance to recover back into flight.

[quartz meteor]

@ruby linden Is it possible to lower the volume of the water sounds in the skin creator?

A good level would be somewhere between 25-33% of the current setting. It is unnecessarily loud.

You can click on the hide background box and it will remove the background and background noise. The background will just be black.

!!! FIX YOUR MIXPACKING PROBLEM !!!

There is no excuse, none whatsoever, why 4+ ceras, 2 carnos, a maia and a stego should be allowed to pack together. A friend and I were a dibble duo, and we just come across that monstrosity. Is that the vision for this game? Because I'll happily find better things to do with my time. I literally don't care how you fix it, I'm all ears at this point. @earnest saffron yes this seems to be the vision. However, if you do not like mix packing, there are unofficial servers that have rules. But the official servers that have no rules are perfect as is. Not everyone wants to be confined to only playing with their own species.

[limber citrus]

Mixpacking isn't and hasn't been something planned or intentional for the game. And the devs have stated that they are planning on a mechanic to stop/reduce mixpacking

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

while i agree with the initial suggestion to a degree, this just goes to show how uninformed some of the feedback here is. we LITERALLY saw new trees with camarasaurus, and know they're about to do a full foliage rework to get UE5 foliage out of the game with their own custom foliage (which, given what camarasaurus is, almost certainly means new food types for camarasaurus and likely others)

not to mention, of course camara is going to come with new food items. it quite literally has to. we expect camara to be bending over, eating orange bushes or somethin?

[alpine oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/crocodile-gif-27500095

whats ur opinion guys

juvenile deinos galloping for life

[alpine oasis]

not to mention the endless talks about elder system and it being very soon
yet he says nesting is useles and they need to add something to make it worth it!! dude just know what ur talking about before u talk

[ruby linden]

Lowering the sfx volume before entering is a better option. While I knew this would disable the sound, you need the background if you're looking for camouflage.

The water sounds inside this feature are detracting and could probably be addressed in a QOL update.

[wooden agate]

the UI volume slider gets rid of the water fall sounds iirc

[ruby linden]

It does not, only SFX volume

[wooden agate]

odd, it fixed it for me

[faint folio]

I could see it being maybe a QOL thing at some point... But honestly juvi deino could have QOL improvements by changing several other things without requiring new animations at all. Night vision improvement, AI improvement, and underwater map improvements would all help juvi deino out without actually modifying deino's abilities or animations

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

imagine making carno worse at the only thing its meant to do to make it better at the thing its not meant to do lol

[alpine oasis]

agreed
but i still believe the new growth/speed balance is terrible
at least give juvs a gallop to be maybe 18ish kmph and just escape bigger deinos

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message @civic torrent so….why are we nerfing troodon into the ground?

Why would a troodon need to find a specific ai to use its ability unlike all the others?

It literally has NOTHING else going for it

[junior nymph]

it could be a sort of slight buff for venom or something like troodon call sounds during envenomation get more frequent or something

[indigo gulch]

Being forced to get a specific ai to use your ability is a nerf

No matter what you give to it, that is a massive nerf in itself

[junior nymph]

like my idea or theirs?

[indigo gulch]

Their idea, I havent seen yours

[woven bane]

we are getting more and more troodon complaints after the buffs it received lmao

[limber hull]

Troodon is literally one of the most powerful carnis if you can get past its juvi stage

[woven bane]

yes, funny thing about this community is that they were the same ones who were complaining that it was “too weak and a joke” prior to this

[limber hull]

lmao true

its stam is disgusting if you play well

[junior nymph]

i mean it does already have the most stam out of any carnivore

[vivid mason]

Nu uh ptera has more technically

[urban flax]

What's with the mating call bandwagon now ? Can't people use 1-call ?

Sometimes the islecord hivemind is beyond my understanding

[limber citrus]

I would guess they mean a call that's different for both genders, so you can distinguish females from males, but that's just me

[silk yoke]

Food is so fundamental that it's obscene to me that it's seemingly not taking priority over releasing newer Dinosaurs. Like we ALL want new content don't get me wrong, but what's stopping most people from playing The Isle at the moment isn't just to do with the content, it's the fact that something as foundational to a Dinosaur survival game as FOOD (i.e AI Spawns, but especially Fish) is still just... broken really.

And I say it has "seemingly" been lower priority due to the fact that something like Fish Spawns have been broken for many months now as far as I can tell

[junior nymph]

you can still survive and thrive with AI being low right now and imo you shouldnt get food on a silver platter being like "here squire have our finest deer and boar meal" atleast making it so you have to listen out for ai is good

fish can be buggy though ill give it that

hot take I know

[silk yoke]

I completely agree with the sentiment that food shouldn't be abundant, however between the scuffed spawns of AI animals and the Fish spawns that seemingly don't work to any beneficial state, is crazy no?

[junior nymph]

we know they will do something with it in HT kissen and amarok have both said it

so I wouldnt fuss too much tbh

[silk yoke]

I feel the time for being passive and quiet about it is now mostly over I'm sorry to say though; at least from my experience, literally EVERYONE I've spoken to about this game brings up how scuffed the AI Spawns are (especially for Fish of course) scuffed or outright broken, and that this issue hasn't really been addressed in any meaningful, action orientated way, makes it feel like being quiet about it is the polar opposite of what people should be doing

[indigo gulch]

The issue is that some dinos don’t have the luxury of relocating quickly. Troodon’s hunger goes down SO fast that you need to spawn near people or ai because you starve within a few minutes

[junior nymph]

im fine with troodon growth tbh

and troo is one of my mains

[indigo gulch]

That’s….not the point

[silk yoke]

Not refering to growth mate, he/she was talking about the food source, very different...

[junior nymph]

like hunger time and ai yes starve times im fine with

all of those I dont have issues with even with it being 13kph and it could be tweaked yes im not saying it shouldnt be

[old idol]

I think the reason nothing has been done is that they don’t want to release a patch before the 5.6 engine update because it would require them to work on a version of the game that is no longer supported

[junior nymph]

yep

[silk yoke]

Look, if the last Dev Blog mentioned ANYTHING about the spawns problem, I would be quieter then I am now about it; but that's not the world we live in, the problem is foundational, thus it effects everything, and hits some Dinos so hard you can't even play them enjoyingly, i.e Deino

[indigo gulch]

can you at least acknowledge the point and arguments made instead going “im fine with it” and refusing to elaborate on it?

[junior nymph]

I did say it can be tweaked

[indigo gulch]

Such as “why are you fine with starving within minutes without any fault of your own”

[junior nymph]

like increasing food timer or speed

[silk yoke]

This is a valid point, however sir Frolo seemingly doesn't believe the issue to exist which is more where I am getting at

[indigo gulch]

The random spawn is fine, but some species suffer more from it than others

[junior nymph]

I understand the issue exists lol

[silk yoke]

Didn't come across that way

[indigo gulch]

And that’s the issue. Again, if ai is non-existent and you’re not near anyone, you die.

[silk yoke]

I apologise if I misunderstood

[junior nymph]

I dunno im sleepy I could have worded something wrong

[old idol]

We have a dev log in a few days maybe they’ll say something then (maybe)

[indigo gulch]

At that point, at least make AI reliable enough for juvis that can’t do anything

[junior nymph]

we need sanc ai 🙁

[indigo gulch]

That’s supposed to the whole point of AI. Giving food when you’re about to starve, especially when you’re young and can’t hunt yet

[indigo gulch]

Weren’t taco’s supposed to be that :/

[junior nymph]

I dont even know at this point lol

but I do reckon spawns were reduced significantly because they noticed megapacks of carnos and ceras living off straight ai

but thats just a theory

[silk yoke]

I really, really hope so, some actual official acknowledgement would do wonders for peoples concerns; you need only look at the AI-Feedback threads to see people are so done with the whole issue, due to its serious effect and awful longevity

[indigo gulch]

They literally mentioned the ai was broken

[junior nymph]

I dunno man

[indigo gulch]

But they aren’t fixing it due to waiting for the engine update

[junior nymph]

kissen and amarok did say that but it could have been damage control

[indigo gulch]

Yeah but it could also have been the truth

[junior nymph]

anyway ima sleep its 10pm lol

[indigo gulch]

Gn

[old idol]

I know they have said so in the discord but not everyone sifts through the discord all the time and a more official statement would be nice

[silk yoke]

Well at this point the best "Damage Control" would be fixing the months long issue

[indigo gulch]

This is true

[indigo gulch]

This would be “we’re still working on Silksong” levels of damage control after 4 years of 0 contact

[silk yoke]

Exactly why I mentioned "Official Acknowledgement"

[lucid mauve]

Ai should be around , as a snack. Not as a tool to live on, atleast if your cera sized etc

[silk yoke]

LOL

[indigo gulch]

What if AI worked like grazing when you’re an FG?

Can’t get above a certain %

this would suck for some species tho I just realized

[silk yoke]

I think starving is a vital aspect of survival, and indeed SHOULD claim lives. BUT the way the AI Spawns are now, are beyond that point, it's outright broken

[lucid mauve]

But herbi has so much food that its insane, not even trying to survive your thriving

[indigo gulch]

Hmmm I dunno about THAT

Diet food is limited, unlike carnivores

[lucid mauve]

What, i was fat as trike everywhere. Well if i could be fat that is

[indigo gulch]

Wdym with that? Fat as trike?

[lucid mauve]

Never had i any feeling that, oww im low on food how will i survive. Its just sniff and food all over the place

[silk yoke]

Being above 40% as a Deino, and seeing fish for the first time in your life cycle, only then to see it raise your food gauge by 3 percent each it feels, is heartbreaking

And definitely doesn't feel like how the game should optimally be like, given you'll starve as a Deino to death multiple times before actually getting a substantial meal

[lucid mauve]

Well it is a survival game, it should be hard to grow a deino. You should live of other players, ai as snack.

[silk yoke]

And what I'm saying doesn't refute that

AI Spawns are broken and you should be able to starve, are not mutually exclusive I assure you

[lucid mauve]

I play on no ai server for most times now, and its alot of fg deinos tho

[lucid mauve]

Yea right now, very true. I would never be able to grow a deino now lol

[old idol]

Most of the those servers have body drops though

I’ve grown a few deinos on petits piads (before the sandstorm stuff) and it was honestly easier because you could go to the ocean and have free meals handed to you every 20 minutes

[lucid mauve]

Yea they do, but never for me lol.

[lucid mauve]

the sandstorm must be perfect for deinos im guessing aswell ?

[silk yoke]

Let me just be really clear about what I'm saying here for everyone, so there's no need to fight over semantics.

[lucid mauve]

SInce people stack up on the water

[old idol]

Idk haven’t really played them since then, all of the new stuff is kind of daunting

[silk yoke]

What I'm saying isn't that the game is necessarily too hard or too unforgiving especially because I'm actually of the opinion that it should be that way, it should be hard to get FG, it should be unforgiving to survive in a competitive environment.
What I AM saying; is that the Spawns of animals such as Fish, are so broken, that I have GENUINELY gone multiple consecutive lives as a Deino and starved to death, because I was too small to hunt, and more importantly, there. where. no. FISH!

[lucid mauve]

yea dont like the sandstorm either, only when i was fg trike. Cus i walked where people was drinking and killed lol

[silk yoke]

The game is not how it should be at the moment. period.

[indigo gulch]

Yeah but when you are restricted to waterways, especially those that are usually avoided, it’s almost impossible to find anyone, let alone something you can grab

[lucid mauve]

This is very true, i also think it should be hard and unforgiving. But i do think the ai will be fixed where you can somehow rely on them to grow

[old idol]

Im not denying that there’s no fish, I’ve just yesterday played Deino. But it’s not impossible to survive for now if you just amend your playstyle. This isn’t the perfect solution, but the game is a work in progress

[indigo gulch]

Let’s say you spawn in North lake. No one goes to north lake and there is multiple safespots there. Not only that, there are barely any spawnpoints there, so you will likely not find anything in grab range. You go down river. Barely anyone goes past there until you get to the split towards the dome left and right towards delta. At that point, you are already close to starvation. And you are STILL unlikely to find anyone that meets the criteria unless you are REALLY lucky. And this isn’t even counting east lake, which is even WORSE.

[lucid mauve]

Yea, i do think people will start going more to rivers or where crocs are to drink when rex comes. Since it will prob be "safer" to drink in rivers then ponds

[silk yoke]

Starvation should be a looming threat from your own inaction, not necessarily the primary threat of your existence, there are players and competition for that

[old idol]

I like the way you’ve worded that

I think that puts it nicely

[indigo gulch]

The only way it isn’t impossible is to be either lucky to come across a juvi of a different species that doesn’t know anything or a deino juvi. There is no inbetween.

[lucid mauve]

Very well said 👍

[indigo gulch]

Agreed

[silk yoke]

Thank you mates 👍

[old idol]

Well if you play a bit more like a scavenger or you kill and rot turtles it’s not that bad

[indigo gulch]

But that is, once again, ai. And it is necessary. Also you mean the beach where the ai is broken so it spawns in hordes?

[old idol]

And if you solid snake your way on to weird water ways you’ll find a lot more people drinking

[indigo gulch]

Scavenge other starved other juvis. But them starving is the same issue that you’d normally have so the point is still valid

You can go from north lake to delta without finding ANYONE, even when Delta is migration zone

How would you ever survive without ai so that you don’t become a scavenger meal?

Especially if you take officials lacking 100 people into account

[lucid mauve]

This is why i dont like the amount of herbi food, since you can be so many and survive food vice. Wish people spread out more

[silk yoke]

I'm just passionate to not see this game lose it's growing community through hurdles such as these, as I completely agree that naturally it is a work in progress of a game, but people want to know the Devs will fix things, especially as the game becomes more and more fully realised over time; so problems like these, and it lasting so long, shakes people's faith in the Devs a bit - which I don't need to tell you all, isn't a healthy thing as far as longevity for the game is concerned

[old idol]

I do agree that some of deinos spawns are terrible (worse that it’s hard to drown) but there’s a lot of dead tenos in river delta usually

Like east swamp is the worst

[indigo gulch]

I have genuinely not seen any in ages :/ and I practically live in delta as deino

[silk yoke]

Don't get me started on the horde spawns man... 🤦‍♂️

[indigo gulch]

That’s the other side of “broken” that version should also not exist

[old idol]

Even if east swamp was frequented your completely diconected from the rest of the map

[silk yoke]

100% Agree

[silk yoke]

True

[indigo gulch]

I am always in delta and every time migration zone is EMPTY

No calls, no noise, nothing

[lucid mauve]

I think it will be better when more playables comes along, you get more of a ecosystem. And i think quality will be a benefit over time, insted of rushing things.

[silk yoke]

It's a compounding issue really, because it's worsened by bad spawns and the inability to end yourself quickly be any means....

So fixing the AI Spawn issue would directly make some of these already pre-existing issue's far less agitating or severe

[lucid mauve]

Like deinos, gonna be much better and worse when bary/sucho/spino etc comes

[indigo gulch]

Yes because more dinos will live in the same areas

[lucid mauve]

Gonna be many small spinos sucho etc, to feed on

[indigo gulch]

I don’t mind dying, just not dying to doing what I’m supposed to do and losing to the roll of the dice every time

[silk yoke]

I completely agree on principle man, but looking at the rate it takes to release Dinos into the game, that's not THE solution, by any means

[lucid mauve]

Yea, its a long way. But they prob need to stick with the vision instead of changing it all the time. bary is not far off tho

[silk yoke]

Everyone hates having their time wasted, ESPECIALLY when they're playing a game, actively trying to enjoy the process, not grind against it in an infuriating fashion

[lucid mauve]

With elders , you will have some feeling of not wasting time

[silk yoke]

Seeing as you need to be FG to achieve being an Elder if I recall correctly, I don't think that'll change much

Seeing as most of the deaths in correlation to these specific issues are for Dinos dying of starvation, long before reaching something like an Elder

It's a cool system concept, but like I said in my post in the General-Feedback, I want them to be fixing these more fundamental issues before deciding the game's stable enough to introduce systems that have no baring on the very real foundational issues atm

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
Try to word this in a way that is even more biased

[stone hatch]

Cause patrol zones

Spiro herbivore gameplay was perfect. You had to cross a river and also go to a wide open field to eat. And carnivores would know this. I was literally tweaking about the slightest movement out of the corner of my eye on spiro when i was trying to get food. It was so fun that i exclusively played herbivore. Now you can just hide in the infinite jungle away from every single soul and wait for food to magically show up right next to you.

Herbivore food needs to be in wide open fields and predictable locations and hopefully crossing a river too

Otherwise the game is just a snoozefest for everyone. Spiro felt like genuine horror. Because it was risky, and escape was never even close to guaranteed

[indigo gulch]

“No way that my water king would run from spiky rat! Not MY water king with over 8 tons. He would grab them with 1 claw and lift them to the meteor that wiped the dinos and singleclawly (sorry couldnt resist the joke) safe us all because he is my water KING”

That made me cringe, hope it was worth it lol

[full pewter]

Spikomelus for the isle!🙌😆

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

I actually really like this solution.

would give adult herbivores back their migratory gameplay loop they had pre PZs but also makes exploring the island somewhat beneficial for juveniles/sub-adult carnivores as you'll have a higher chance of finding relatively easy meals

[wintry cipher]

Patrol zones are not just intended to be for food. There is a reason they are called "patrol zones". Only having them be available for part of your life would be counter-intuitive when for example nesting grounds will likely be spawned using them.

Right now they are just bugged like many other things and unfinished.

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/855527844670865438/1404049806376177704

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/855527844670865438/1330722552527454218

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/855527844670865438/1323678780392210464

[wooden agate]

Still though, I wouldnt mind if the food part of it was purely for juveniles and stuff

[full pewter]

People ask for more open spaces, they get more open spaces, people then cry

[north quiver]

it’d be fine on its own tbh but it doesn’t feel right replacing highlands with it. they got rid of one of the more unique-looking places on the map and made it into another simple plains

again, fine on its own but it doesn’t live up to highlands at all lol

[full pewter]

It’s still a valley that’s high in elevation, and there’s a huge mountain backdrop. IMO it still feels like a highland, and the mountains that were removed were those on the northwest corner, which imo were just empty space no one used

[north quiver]

idk it just looks soulless compared to the main branch highlands imo

[full pewter]

I’m pretty sure all plains would feel like that. But regardless we need more plains since they’re better for gameplay. Im sure it could use a little more spice though, like boulders, large trees, or even a waterfall where the mountain meets the lake

[north quiver]

there was endless jungle to choose from for putting more plains

[full pewter]

I agree, but unclimbable rocks also fall into this category

A human base would work well here too

[tired quest]

im gonna put an X to it because how ugly the graphic is

[full pewter]

I clearly made the post over the map design, not the graphics. What’s the logic in that??

[limber hull]

lmao people will find any reason to dislike something

the map design is beautiful and caters well to plains animals but ugly so disagree lol

[junior nymph]

@normal pumice play na2 for the time being

the dino AI and stuff have put a toll on the servers

[normal pumice]

Yeah, but the all servers need fix ping

[junior nymph]

as I said its probs dino ai

[limber hull]

@pliant elm carno... nerfed? are we talking about the same carno

[pliant elm]

Yes, nerfed. They removed the mechanic that made Carno good against smaller things and they didn't even give him anything in return xd

[limber hull]

what did they remove, exactly

[pliant elm]

Omnis and Dilos have no reason to fear Carno with a weak and difficult to hit attack.

[limber hull]

it has instant knockdown lol

[pliant elm]

that's good. But I don't doubt that it will be changed

[wheat nova]

#general-feedback message @vivid mason wow thats stunning

doubleyew

@full pewter ratio is crazy

[limber citrus]

What, hitscan?

[barren crater]

have you played it

[limber hull]

obviously not lmao

[tired quest]

hard to say which is better... its like afternoon but I still can't see a damn thing

[latent olive]

he’s entering the deinozone

[tired quest]

feels like im going into space

its around the same area

[toxic terrace]

Idk if this is intended or not but a 30% grown Trex shouldnt get 1 shotted by a fresh spawn Rex. The cannis/killing for sport are rampant on HT atm

[junior nymph]

juvie rex crush is doing too much damage its known and will be fixed next ht update

[toxic terrace]

Cheers

[white siren]

"I personally think eldering/senioring should be COMPLETELY optional. There should be no debuffs to your stats at all because of the system unless you intentionally opt into it. People should keep their normal adult stats unless they choose to become an elder. If they decide to become an elder, it should work as it currently is"

i see this as something that quite literally has to be an option

maybe not for per personbut a decision on the server you play on

[junior nymph]

I disagree

[white siren]

can i aask why?

[junior nymph]

sure!

[white siren]

pls ping me if you reply after a long whiile bc sometimes i get lost ^^

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[junior nymph]

its due to it 1: removing a part of the lifecycle. 2: it wouldnt stop pvpers as much as the elder system is meant to. I think you should definitely stay full adult for a while lets say 1-2 hours before going up to elder and then stay elder for like 3-6 hours (the last 2 could be where the fall off happens) so then you still enjoy your dino

it definitely shouldnt be as fast as it is

[white siren]

does elder have any benefits?

[junior nymph]

yes.

[white siren]

like i would understand if it had benefits bc then staying slightly more imprived upon adult for 3-6 hours would be fine

but if it has mostly debuffs then i see no reason- or actually let me rephrase- if it does have buffs why is it any different from just being adult

is adult just quicker and more nimble?

and have less mute slots?

[white siren]

i only skimmed the ideas and stuff when i read about it

if its slowly i still think its not that bad to upgrade it too but compulsery seems unnessesary

choice in my mind between server providers

i think thats a balance

the server i play on usually pushes for realism- base official servers for sure should have it

but if anotehr server pve or rp or just whatever else exists i think the server can choose

[junior nymph]

you gain better stats (or atleast you are meant to) when you are prime elder then when you entomb you restart growth as a new animal with better mutations and extra mutations

[white siren]

rigth its like nesting yourself in right?

[junior nymph]

not really.

[white siren]

i more mean teh mechanics

[junior nymph]

well yeah but with other buffs

[white siren]

like how you pass on mutes

ahhh right right sorry teh slow down thing makes me slow to reply

[sacred crow]

My thought process with that suggestion was simply "why?"
I don't think there's a need to make eldering happen immediately no matter what. My suggestion was simply to let people play the way it currently works in the main Evrima branch until they deicide to elder. Let people find a group, nest, hunt a bit, play around, chill. Then, they can become an elder once they've decided they're ready to move on to the next life

[white siren]

yeahhh prime adult dinos really should get longer time than elder

most of your life should be as a prime adult

and some dinos take almost days (trike) to be fg

one should be able to enjoy that work!

[sacred crow]

Exactly. Let people stay as a normal adult as they wish

[white siren]

i think for realism players

perhaps a togglei lovveee islanders concept of semi realism- that way a life style / life span is encouraged

but it shouldnt apply to all by default

[mossy solar]

is the update already out?

[white siren]

noo just in horde testing me thinks

[mossy solar]

they r gonna release today u think?

[supple cedar]

guys pls give some attention to this, i'm reporting this for 1/2 years

I’m forced to stay in a Patrol Zone with 4 ceratos, 6 omnis, and several mixed packs in a small area because the migration zones don’t spawn food.

And I’m not exaggerating, this is literally happening right now.

How do they expect me to play as a herbivore like this?

[full pewter]

I frankly don’t get it, like sure highland could use a little more spice like rocks and such. But it’s great that we have another open space

[limber hull]

this defeats the entire point of Elder as a mechanic and completely undermines the gameloop

[junior nymph]

I love the new highlands

like the new lake is imo quite realistic

[full pewter]

What’s wrong with elders rn??

[full pewter]

Yea it’s not bad, a waterfall going off the mountain into the lake would really sell it

[junior nymph]

ikr!

I honestly like it more than public highlands

[woven bane]

only downside is the amount of trees

[full pewter]

It’s definitely more player friendly

[full pewter]

In highlands? I think it’s fine

[junior nymph]

yea

[woven bane]

the west part of it is a little lacking

[junior nymph]

theres honestly some parts that are really open and some parts that are more hidden and have more bushes and trees

[full pewter]

Like I would say highlands isn’t meant to be dense with trees anyway, but there’s no hurt in adding more

[modest dock]

Why the Heck ceratosaurus group has been raised up to 5

[supple cedar]

Devs love carnivores and hate herbivores

[modest dock]

No but cera is even a nightmare for other carnivores even when it was 4 members and so many times asked for it to be reduced at 3 members just like carno, what is wrong with them ?

[full vessel]

i keep getting data failure how do you fix that

[gusty flax]

#general-feedback message @mystic hare bro what

if you dont like the server just dont play it, isle devs have trouble with balancing broken mutations so unoffi servers need to edit them to keep it balanced

[sudden hinge]

@mystic hare why would you want servers to not edit mutation?

[urban flax]

(unofficial servers : actually triple the speed bonus of photo and nocturnal)

[gusty flax]

what servers u playing lol

anyway if they do that then play another server lol

[sudden hinge]

Yeah that’s bad but I just wouldn’t play on those servers

[cosmic thorn]

I think it's quite obvious that Elders becoming both slower and weaker is going to result in people hiding away in corners of the map until they can entomb and start over. That's just bad design.

If the idea was to bring back AFK growing in bushes, well I guess they're on the right track.

[naive tangle]

it discourages players from doing anything in the game quite literally, it takes so long to move around the map and u also cant even hunt properly

[cosmic thorn]

I mean I understand the concept of it, but there's just no way it's going to work in a video game.

[naive tangle]

it would work as long as its optional, i dont wanna be pushed into using this system if its this punishing unless u reach prime elder

[limber hull]

i feel like it does the abject opposite unless your entire goal is to not play, in which case.... eh? i guess you do you

if you hide through juvi, sub-adult, adulthood, then elderhood, then complain you didnt do anything before you got old and weak, there's not really anyone to blame but yourself

[naive tangle]

if u fail to reach prime elder by the time u r 75%, then u quite literally can not do anything about ur dino no more. its stats are just decreasing no matter what, so essentially u are just gonna end up sitting in a bush and waiting to respawn lol

[cosmic thorn]

I think you're missing the point I was making.

[limber hull]

i personally also hate the idea of optional elders

like Dondi said, everything gets old, and you can't change that

all I'd change is the time taken between reaching adult and starting down the path to elderhood

[naive tangle]

i did most of what i was supposed to do to get my prime elder omni, it still somehow became a frail one. me and my friends were moving around the map and hunting, visiting patrol zones and migration zones, had perfect diet

[limber hull]

if it becomes optional, the elder system honestly kinda just fails at the primary goal of its existence

[naive tangle]

it still wasnt enough, so what more could i have done to make it enjoyable? i used most of the games mechanics already

[cosmic thorn]

I don't think becoming old is bad. I just believe you cannot make someone weaker AND slower. That's going to promote AFK growing in remote locations, because otherwise you'll be an easy target.

[limber hull]

i mean... i dont really see whats wrong with being weaker and slower as a senior personally

[cosmic thorn]

When neither fight nor flight is an option, the only choice you can make is not to interact with others.

[naive tangle]

maybe the fact that u cant even catch up to other players or run away from them? pvp is an essential part of the game and if u dont have prime elder, then u have no chance standing ur ground against other players

[lucid mauve]

This will happend, and its not a good way to do it. Its like going tru the juvi stage again, like the only thing you want is to not meet anyone. Atleast if you are slow or dont have any advantages with water jump etc

[naive tangle]

literally this, how are people not understanding the root issue is this 😭

[limber hull]

and if you make elderhood optional, you just create scenarios where people don't engage with the loop, instead choosing to just endlessly PvP in "insert hotspot" and not actually care about the creature's life, thus returning back to the very gameplay elders were introduced to change

its like being able to just shut off diets because you personally want to eat whatever

would it make life easier? yea probably lol

[naive tangle]

okay so what is the issue w pvp? please do tell me, cos as far as i remember, its literally a part of the game and YOU DIE as a carnivore unless u pvp

[limber hull]

would it undermine the gameloop? absolutely

[naive tangle]

its not the same thing at all

[limber hull]

it is tho

it's shutting off a core gameplay mechanic

[naive tangle]

and elder shutting down pvp is not shutting off a core gameplay mechanic?

[limber hull]

it doesn't shut down PvP? what?

you don't lose access to your attack buttons because you got old

[naive tangle]

it does though? unless u have prime elder, u r literally slow and weak

if u bump into a younger individual or a prime elder, u are quite literally dead, cos u cant fight or run

thats why we want to keep adults and make elder optional, so we can actually enjoy the dinosaur we spent time growing

[limber hull]

why not just add more time between adulthood and elder

that seems like a far healthier option that feels more realistic and still fits within the scope of the game loop

[naive tangle]

cos sometimes 1 or 2 hours isnt enough to find, hunt and kill other players

[limber hull]

its not like the moment we become adults we IMMEDIATELY start becoming elderly lol

it's a lil silly for The Isle

[naive tangle]

BUT WE DO? have u even played it? i played omni, i failed to get elder, 10/15 minutes later my stats were already decreasing

[limber hull]

im talking as people

like, flesh and blood

have growth pause on full adult for a bit, then start the elder growth

it should still be essential, but have some time to live with your adult dino before you start aging to elderhood

help him

[naive tangle]

i disagree with that, sometimes u are gonna struggle to find players and having a time cap on how much fun u can have before ur stats start decreasing is dumb af

[lucid mauve]

I honestly tho, you grew to elder then choose to grow old and die or stay fg until you die normally like now.

[naive tangle]

sorry, im not understanding?

[limber hull]

but also just being able to go "i dont want to engage with this entire part of the gameloop" is kinda antithetical to the point of a game

[lucid mauve]

I tho the elder was supose to work like you grow to fully adult. Then you can choose to stay fully grown or choose to go tru the elder process.

[limber hull]

that was never meant to be the case

[naive tangle]

no, now fg is 75%, then u either start becoming a frail or prime elder. prime elder has increased stats and the other has decreased stats, u cant avoid becoming an elder

[limber hull]

it was always meant to be "you get old and you can choose to die and be reborn or just chill out as a big ol' thing"

[lucid mauve]

Yea, i missunderstood what they said then. And honestly i tho that would be the most normal thing to do. People can choose what they want

[naive tangle]

its a big part of the gameloop and it affects the game way too much to the point it makes it enjoyable, id personally never use elder system if i could 🤷‍♀️

[naive tangle]

yeah agreed

[limber hull]

and thats why they shouldnt make it optional

just like we no longer have people opting to just stay as legacy sub rex and never become adult

[naive tangle]

not everyone is gonna enjoy it and that should be a valid approach. if i dont enjoy something and dont wanna do it, then i should be able to avoid it

[limber hull]

you shouldnt be able to go "hmmm actually no i dont want to engage with this core system"

[lucid mauve]

Why not have it? Its not unfair or fair to do any

[plain gust]

honey please stop spreading misinformation about dinosaur game and come back. we miss you.

[limber hull]

not everyone is gonna enjoy the diet system

it ees what it ees

[lucid mauve]

The core system is to survive, they have said that many times. How people wanne survive is up to each, aslong as you can

[naive tangle]

it doesnt affect ur dino as much as being a weak elder does. u can hardly tell the difference w diets unless ur growing something big

[plain gust]

baby rex misses his dad

look how much he has grown

[naive tangle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1190479571762548807/1387677712877092984/JohnMogCake.gif

[limber hull]

wait that reminds me

rex is out, my username has been one thing for too long

[limpid bear]

Is my general feedback good then 🙏🏽

[limber hull]

heh?

yea grace period good

[limber hull]

👍

i find it silly that you barely get to be a full adult

[limpid bear]

It’s so wierd how we being punished for getting to fg ifyk what I mean

[limber hull]

despite the fact that's what most life spends most of their time as

feels weird to IMMEDIATELY start aging to elderly

that's not how creatures work lol

[limpid bear]

It is hella wierd

[limber hull]

also it gives you too little time to properly actually have some survivng grace period

time to nest/raise kids, hunt, work towards elder, etc

[limpid bear]

Exactly

[limber hull]

i absolutely think elder hits WAY too fast

[limpid bear]

Way way way too fast

I wanna experience being an adult for like 4 hours

[limber hull]

honestly i wouldnt be surprised if its this way BECAUSE it's HT

[plain gust]

i just love the way that raptors latch onto the front or back of a stegosaurus

[limber hull]

you wanna test elders so get people to elder ASAP

stego should just not be able to be latched onto with its plates tbh

it just looks... so bad lmao

[limpid bear]

I entombed my cera to just get spawned in as an omni lmao 2 hours wasted

[limber hull]

yea i did that with my dryo and got a troodon??

weird as

[limpid bear]

Fr

[limber hull]

very much a HT moment tho

[limpid bear]

Yup man I’ve missed it

[plain gust]

i think it looks so good to the point it kinda makes things move in me ykwim?

[limber hull]

no

you should probably get that checked out tho

[limpid bear]

It’s good that troo can move on the dino when pouncing now

[plain gust]

i sometimes think about the way they latch onto the stegosaurus when im alone late at night

[limber hull]

you need to get yourself someone to be with you late at night god damn

[plain gust]

do you not feel the same way i feel about the raptors latching?

[limber hull]

i dont tend to think that much about raptor latching in day to day life no

[plain gust]

i think it's an experience everyone should go through at least once

[limber hull]

it sounds a lil depressing idk

[limpid bear]

I’m good 😊

[plain gust]

sometimes when im with my girl i like to role play as a stegosaurus and she is a raptor

[limpid bear]

Oke

[limber hull]

your strange and unsettling relationship dynamics are for you alone to enjoy

anyway im bored now imma head out

[limpid bear]

The graphics are great in the ht .. the gameplay not so much

[storm cedar]

Yep, theres no mushroms in the sanct

[plain gust]

meow

grrrrr

[fast garnet]

How much does the elder carno weights?

[sudden hinge]

Checking in again does anyone have an idea how to get prime elder for cera?

[eternal ingot]

Any else getting constant crashes when launching hordetest?

[faint folio]

@thorn badge I could be wrong, but I think the underwater shading is still being adjusted. The patch notes say "Updated Surface water shader (underwater Shader Todo)". Unless they forgot to remove the todo for the underwater shaders, I think that implies it's still a WIP

[thorn badge]

i hope they will adjust it but considering it has been a major issue for more than 7 months better be safe than sorry and write the same opinion again

[faint folio]

I agree it looks like the underwater distance is pretty awful though... Hopefully they patch it soon

[thorn badge]

https://tenor.com/view/right-ikr-yes-agree-jack-black-gif-10685739

@sharp swallow basically all ht servers ping is bad, really bad

[sharp swallow]

did they add AI Dinos?

[vital laurel]

@vagrant phoenix are you fr?

HT is laggy cus its testing bro, they cant fix something they dont know about lol

[vagrant phoenix]

That explains nothing

It's been like that for ages, just because it's "testing" shouldn't make something ping related bad.

[vital laurel]

why didnt you add more salt to your new receipe of pancakes the first time you made them? How did you only know to add more salt after you tested the pancakes?

[vital laurel]

bro its a different HT each time, they arent connected

[vagrant phoenix]

I know, but last HT had the same issue, 200+ ping. This HT has 200+ ping, and the previous HT have had bad ping. It doesn't hurt to know the reason why it's been the way it has for so long

[vital laurel]

Because they change the servers each HT when they add new stuff and rework other stuff, its not like they switch of "magical ping reduction button" each HT just for fun and then spend 4 weeks trying to switch it on

[vagrant phoenix]

You know that's not what I'm implying. I know fixing such issues is hard and like I said it doesn't hurt to know why it is the way it is. Just because something is changed on a server shouldn't cause ping to sky rocket

[vital laurel]

are you a netwrok engineer?

[vagrant phoenix]

Are you?

[vital laurel]

I know enough to know that youre dunning krugering

[vagrant phoenix]

You do you then, I'd want a legitimate reason on the ping issues, or at least why it's been like that. If it doesn't seem like a big deal I've seen way too many people rubber banding back to the previous spot they were, it's funny but sad when they teleport right into my attack 💀

[vital laurel]

brother its a stress test

[lucid mauve]

Ping dont the goes way up when people are constatly trying to join like now

[vagrant phoenix]

You seem fine with dying to rubber banding

[vital laurel]

just dont play the HT?????

There is a perfectly stable ping branch rn, in fact there are 3 of them lol

[vagrant phoenix]

I'm not, what about the other people. The last horde test the Devs have had to ask multiple times to populate the horde tests because on average it was 20 players per server

[vagrant phoenix]

True, haven't taken account into that

[vital laurel]

if there where just small inconsisensies they would clear up very quickly and we wouldnt see a delta improvment in server perf. They change stuff and test new stuff leading to more robust servers, during horde tests they see the changes they did in QA and apply the new data they get in the HT to remedy the issues the new stuff causes, thats why it takes weeks sometimes cus its new stuff, its not the same old issues all the time cus then they would have it figured out lol

[vagrant phoenix]

True but we rarely get to know about these things which leads to players constantly asking like me

[vital laurel]

right but you just said that last HT they were talking with the players asking them to join HT server so they can fix the ping???

[vagrant phoenix]

This has nothing to do with this but I'd argue path of titans has better logs of hotfixes and updates/issues being shown

[vagrant phoenix]

No, I was countering you saying "then don't play ht". What if it's more than me not playing HT

[vital laurel]

you dont need too, there are others who can jump on for a couple hours to get the devs some data

if youre bothered there is no need and i dont think the devs expect the players to play when its so laggy, they ask players to just stress the server for a while so they can find where the ping issues are coming from via reading logs

[vagrant phoenix]

That's true, and we can both just continue on with our lives. Forgetting the whole player getting teleported into an attack issues.

[vital laurel]

i often see a comment about backend or server fixes in the patchnotes

[vagrant phoenix]

True

[vital laurel]

you could be stuck with the 2020 server perf if youd like

[vagrant phoenix]

That has nothing to do with now, this discussion is pointless. I see your view and you should see it from mine, I'm out for now.

[vital laurel]

yes it does bro

if the devs didnt touch the servers it would still be the 2020 evrima dogwater perf

[vital laurel]

you have a uninformed and wrong understanding of everything here though dawg

[vital laurel]

its like saying you want to get jacked but then saying its wrong that your muscles get sore lol

[vagrant phoenix]

Everything you've pointed out has been something already known, like a branch existing for 5 years hasn't changed at all is what you think I'm assuming.

[vital laurel]

what

changes dont come without issues lol, the HT is made to fix the growth pains lol, if you dont want to live with the growth pains avoid the HT, its not that deep, its dev testing first and gameplay 2nd cus its a test

[quartz arch]

Why would you remove these beautiful rocks?? They were pure art, now it's boring there.

[old yew]

Why did fish spawns not get fixed? Seems like a pretty simple fix, idk why its not being fixed at this point.

[faint folio]

Gonna be honest... It's probably not a simple fix. AI spawning has been sort of wonky for many updates (and attempted fixes) now, and for whatever reason aquatic AI (schooling fish, elite fish, frogs, crabs, turtles, etc) seem to be more erratic/buggy than land AI. If it was a simple fix, we wouldn't be on our 10th iteration of AI spawn adjustments. I'm guessing it's probably a set of several different bugs that all result in the same apparent behavior of weird AI spawns, and that makes it much harder to fix

[old yew]

I would be able to accept this response if there was any fish spawns, as a deino I see alot of boar/deer but I can never get them. I have played for roughly 20 hours of croc an not seen a single school of fish, elite fish, or frogs.

[faint folio]

I get that, and I'm not downplaying the seriousness of the problem. But... I think if it was an easy fix the devs probably would have fixed it already, and it wouldn't be a problem that needs fixing at all if fish were spawning in the first place

[old yew]

Fish used to spawn, I have grown many crocs and had a fairly nice time doing it. Fish have not been as abundant as other ai but they was there. It very well may not be an easy fix, but with the last update notes it wasn't even mentioned as a know issue or something that's currently being worked on.

[faint folio]

Same here... It's definitely a problem. Who knows what wires got crossed that caused them to stop spawning? About the patch notes, though... Usually you don't put something on patch notes unless you've made a change. If they're still digging through code trying to find the source of the bug, it wouldn't be listed

I almost wonder if it's not a bug per se, but rather an unintentional side effect of the current AI spawning mechanic? Purely speculation on my part, though

[old yew]

They did list Known Issues though, and no fish spawning or spawning under the map has been an issue for months. You can get any other ai spawn but fish.

Known Issues:

• Boars, chicken, and deer currently don’t do damage. For a brief moment in time it’s free food.
• Carnotaurus headbutt currently only applies CC and not damage while we fine tune some interactions. They can also infinitely recoil themselves against a stegosaurus
• Mutations currently apply stacks to all current-life mutation slots when they should not
• There is a possible occurrence where stegosaurus can be kicked when swimming for extended periods of time
• Hypsilophodon has been temporarily disabled due to juvenile corpses causing localized unavoidable crashes under certain conditions
• Using the crush attack against another tyrannosaur’s head sometimes fails to engage spar
• Rex crush as juveniles is occasionally pinning when not intended
• Rex juvenile is dealing unintended increased damage (fixed for next build)

[faint folio]

These are all new issues due to changes made on the horde testing branch, though. They aren't listing every confirmed bug report they've gotten on the live branch that they haven't fixed yet. Also, I did notice they did list an attempted fix for spawning under the map... (At least when using spawn codes)

[nova spear]

@queen ember I was waiting for some to post about that. My take is that maybe just maybe the times to grow to elder and frail elder are so fast for testing purposes. Easier to find bugs with elders when you age super fast instead of someone waiting 24 hours for their trike to become a frail elder.

[wooden agate]

@queen ember #general-feedback message i imagine we're being rushed through the elder system to help find bugs faster

[queen ember]

It very well could be, but it’s good to just say it regardless

[fading pecan]

Is the cannibal mutation enabled on hordetest rn?

[floral quest]

it feels like a trial period

-# sorry for butting in

[floral quest]

i believe they mentioned something about it, it’s either officially out or on hordetest

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

stam regen got buffed? I didn't notice lol

[icy lion]

@sharp mesa imgur and any channel in any discord work. In discord, right click the image and select "Copy Link", NOT "Copy Message Link"

[sharp mesa]

OK I'll give it a try, thanks

[limber hull]

@open girder elder was never meant to be opt in. Dying of old age was always meant to be opt in. A lot of people got confused

But I agree with you

Give us more time to be adult lol

[full pewter]

I’ve literally been warning yall of this for MONTHS!!😆
#general-feedback message

And apparently, especially in this post, people didn’t seem to get it, at least the elder system

#general-feedback message

[urban bear]

@gentle lichen There is a reward for it, you carry your mutations to your next life to make your next dinosaur more powerful. They stack per life

You can also make your dinosaur more powerful before you hit elder and stay stronger after you get old

[gentle lichen]

And? Just to die and grow again. This is absolute waste of time. Im not growing to grow again

[urban bear]

Your next dinosaur is stronger then the last though?

[gentle lichen]

Even if i have more mutations.

Just to die and get weak after being adult. Great.

[urban bear]

either way, if you get peak elder you can stay pretty strong until you want to die of old age

[gentle lichen]

Absolute waste of time.

[urban bear]

a peak elders weakest point is still very strong lol, you are heavier then the average member of your species

an old aged pachy is 900kg+

[gentle lichen]

Plus getting punished for having good dietsbcuu then u die faster.

[urban bear]

I dont see how the game rewarding you for a good life is bad

[urban bear]

I do agree with that

it genuinly punishes you and makes you age faster just for eating

[gentle lichen]

I want to? I have to. Because im weak af and cant do anything about it

[urban bear]

you aren't weak af if you get peak elder though?

[wooden agate]

peak prime elders maintain most of their stats even when weakened lol

[urban bear]

you keep your peak elder weight you just lose some speed and damage

[wooden agate]

play well and get a decent elder and you wont suck

[urban bear]

but the weight makes up for the stat loss

[gentle lichen]

It legit says im getting weak and everything gets worse

[urban bear]

if you dont reach peak elder yes

[full pewter]

@gentle lichen Dondi just said that they will probably adjust the times it takes to reach elder, so I recommend posting what you think those appropriate times are

[urban bear]

if you get peak elder you stay pretty strong

a peak elder carno goes from 1300kg to 1800. after you get old you stay 1800 with like 150 biteforce

[gentle lichen]

How about not at all? Because then it wouldnt be a waste of time.

To become peak eöder ypu gotta do so much stuff. Almost inpossible for some species

[urban bear]

its just not a waste of time if you play the game it rewards you with a stronger dinosaur and perks for your next life when you decide to die

[gentle lichen]

Ypu still die a

[full pewter]

If it’s long enough then I think it’s fine, everyone dies eventually anyway. I rarely keep a Dilo alive for more than 6hrs or so

[urban bear]

you choose when you want to die, you die in the isle either way before elders lol what is the difference

[wooden agate]

because now he actually gets punished for not doing what the game wants him to do

[urban bear]

yeah the game makes him play it, god forbid

[wooden agate]

no more death bowl arena

[gentle lichen]

Idk this is the worst system ive ever had in a game

[wooden agate]

then you need to play more games lol

[urban bear]

just ignroing eveything said atp

gotta be rage bait

[gentle lichen]

Personal preferences. I rather not be forced to die

[wooden agate]

you're not, if you do well you quite literally get a stronger FG that you dont have to die with

[full pewter]

It’s in a very early state right now, the devs are asking people to test it so it can be polished before release, that’s the propose of the hoardetest

[gentle lichen]

Because i put efford in it just to become weak.

[urban bear]

you aren't forced to die at all?

[wooden agate]

stop making things up in your head and getting mad at them

[urban bear]

you also dont become very weak if you reach peak elder

you are literally just as strong as a full adult

[gentle lichen]

But im forced to be weak

[urban bear]

are you even reading atp

[gentle lichen]

Why are you talking to me again? The others at least bei g some constructive comments

[urban bear]

You arent weak if you reach peak elder, once you get old you stay pretty strong

[full pewter]

@gentle lichen What if after you reach adult, you maintained adult stats for say 6-8hrs, then become prime elder, then weak after 4 more hours after reaching adult?

[urban bear]

the main problem is elders keep the growth rate

[gentle lichen]

And for what do i do all that work then? This is what i mean its absolute waste of time.

[urban bear]

the game actually punishes me for eating and makes me die faster

[wooden agate]

stronger actually

[urban bear]

You make your next dinosaur considerably stronger, and you are still stronger then a full adult at the end of your life lol

also in the no elder Isle you still did it all for nothing, I dont get what the problem is

[gentle lichen]

Way to less time.

[urban bear]

like in the live branch you grow to full adult then die, nothing gained why is this any different?

[gentle lichen]

This on top

[full pewter]

More time? Fine by me, the longer the better lol

[gentle lichen]

Only 4 hours before ure weak again for hours and hours of growing

[full pewter]

No honest I agree with u, I want more time too

[gentle lichen]

Why not just staying strong after all that work and efford. Rn youre growing to 100 to be strong and you keep ur diets up and do a lot of work for this.... And the eldersystem just ruins this the way they made it

Being adult shouldnt be punished and this is exactly what it is

[naive tangle]

you have time to enjoy ur dino and do whatever u feel like doing with it. unlimited time to pvp, nest or whatever u wanna do. w elder u have a timer on what u can do before u become old and useless quite literally

[urban bear]

The game is punishing me and making me age faster for eating lol

[naive tangle]

u shouldnt be forced to age at all if u dont wanna, this is another problem on top of it and u are completely right

[urban bear]

why would I want to eat nutrients and increase my growth rate at peak elder. Im just making myself age faster. Im fine with aging I like the idea of it im just saying growth rates should disappear around when peak elder starts

[wooden agate]

yes, getting elder stego and then staying at 9 tons is being "punished". sure

[urban bear]

not what im saying

[wooden agate]

not you

[urban bear]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-brick-sponge-bob-square-pants-like-a-bag-of-bricks-like-a-ton-of-bricks-gif-4475886

[naive tangle]

the elder system overall is flawed and shouldnt be unavoidable. i completely understand why some players find it fun or exciting to have this "goal" now, but even upon reaching it u still become weak and slow, just takes a bit longer. there is no point to keep playing that dinosaur if it cant do anything, especially if ur more into an aggressive kind of playstyle (actively seeking pvp, spending time hunting others, etc.). its just growing to die when the game forces u to out of being useless simulator now

[wooden agate]

speaking of elder stego, i am currently la elder stego right now

[gentle lichen]

Its also inpossible to do all this tasks before you reach adult. And if i inderstand it correctly you HAVE to do it befor adult. Plus i bet all your lifes when you entomb for more mutas will not count together. Ypu have to do it in one life

[wooden agate]

psst... you dont get any of those downsides (except maybe speed) if you actually take decent care of your animal

[limber hull]

Being left with a 900kg pachy is pretty nuts ngl

[gentle lichen]

Exactly

[limber hull]

Cera might be screwed lol

[wooden agate]

im a 6.5 ton stegosaurus...,..,,,,

[limber hull]

God damn

[gentle lichen]

THIS SO MUCH THIS!

[limber hull]

Elder system should be unavoidable, because otherwise it’s a gimmick that has little real bearing on your gameplay loop

[naive tangle]

i did take care of it and i still felt the difference. i dont wanna lose any stats at all, i wanna keep my adult dinosaur that i grew to have fun on and play for how long i wanna. i dont wanna become slow, cos on omni, dilo and troodon it literally ruins the point of their playstyle. u r too slow, so u cant run, cant properly fight even

[gentle lichen]

Exactly

[wooden agate]

if you didnt achieve prime elder then no, you didnt take proper care of it lol

[naive tangle]

if u enjoy it, then thats great and good for you, i have nothing against it! but those who dont enjoy it shouldnt be forced into using the system. i just want a choice, i dont want it removed

[wooden agate]

and if you did achieve proper prime , you'd have an extra 250 health alongside a hefty damage buff

plus the entire system can be disabled by server owners (or has said to be a toggle) so 🤷🏻‍♀️

wait for la unofficials if it really gets that bad

[naive tangle]

your stats still decline tho, just not as drastically - ive seen videos and played it myself, i can assure you that the difference is really prominent on smaller animals. the health buff is alright, but id rather take speed over that on a dinosaur thats supposed to be fast and nimble

[wooden agate]

and that's something you're able to gradually do via the rebirth system

[latent olive]

erm........replication................

[naive tangle]

some people dont have enough time on their hands to keep endlessly respawning and regrowing. i used to be able to be fast and nimble by default when being an adult, why should i now spend hours and potential days to reach that "peak"?

[wooden agate]

because that's the intended gameplay loop for the dinosaurs the game has been building towards for years

not to mention the time will be extended by far once testing is done

[naive tangle]

gameplay loops are unhealthy for games, if someone likes it and wants to engage w it, then they can go ahead and im happy they enjoy it. id prefer being able to not engage w it at all, as for me an enjoyable gameplay loop (despite also not being too healthy) is to grow to a fully grown and pvp till i eventually die due to a mistake i make. i dont wanna be forced into experiencing the elder gameplay loop and instead die due to old age or die cos other things around me are just naturally stronger/can choose what fights they engage in by being faster than me

i think having this system is good, but shouldnt be unavoidable. thats all

unfortunately lmaoo

[gentle lichen]

Yes. Im a troodon main myself and this is just the absolute garbage

[gentle lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

Lmfao. Probably

[light walrus]

Just a question, how can anyone look at this and say yeah the new highlands are better?

I heard some people like the new highlands for some odd reason, but howww i mean it's flat and green now without anything special plus the cave is missing

[naive tangle]

i personally like the lake being split into two sorta, it reminds me of twins from legacy. other than that its ugly af

[light walrus]

Ye

[full pewter]

Personally I like having open spaces to run around in, but I agree the highlands were the last place that needed a plain, literally anywhere else would have been better

[light walrus]

I mean after this update they basically turned south plains into south jungle

[full pewter]

South plains ain’t a plain anymore, smothered by jungle

Great forkin question…

[light walrus]

I think they are trying to make us go to different spots which is kinda meh cuz then we will just find another hot spot

[full pewter]

Fr I don’t get the logic behind it, how much jungle do we need?

Personally I haven’t seen that, we need a better migration system to encourage travel across the map

Whenever players don’t have a mechanic encouraging them to travel, they just pick a few spots, and those spots get all the action, the rest of the map is abandoned

[full pewter]

Such a lame reason to get players to move

That was fine on Spiro, but I don’t think that can work on gateway cause of how huge it is.

Which north lake? The highlands lake?

Imagine if you could only get a certain diet at that lake, and the other at south plains? Thats like a 45min walk just to get to one or the other

No they didn’t, what do you mean?

Gateway has barely changed size since release

Whatever the case it’s barely noticeable

Certainly ain’t comparing to Spiro

Wait what the… what happened to west access??

That was definitely overkill…

Wait even the north jungle??

Shoot we lost two human bases

I mean I know people didn’t use this part of the map much anyway, but we all thought they were just gonna update it and make it look cooler, not just straight up remove it

That’s my prediction tbh, highlands is definitely the next hotspot

Removing hotspots is honestly so much easier than just smothering existing ones with jungles, they’ll just create new ones

A good migration system for one, and surprisingly, just removing most other carnivores from carnivore diets would have a major effect on hotspots

#general-feedback message

Posted a migration concept here

Sure, but the point is if carnivores can just eat other carnivores to get all diets, then they don’t need to follow herbivores, so they hotspot

[wooden agate]

i like the new highlands......

:(

[full pewter]

Ever notice how hotspots are mostly carnivores?

[light walrus]

Howww

[wooden agate]

big open plains

[full pewter]

Open running space with no trees in your face

[light walrus]

I mean open spaces are good but putting it in highlands and removing the best looking area in the whole map is just terrible (1 old, 2 new)

[full pewter]

Agree with this, literally anywhere else would have been a better choice

Wait even the offshore island is gone??

[wooden agate]

yeah i still like the new one more lol

[light walrus]

I played yesterday with some friends and there is barely anything unique left in highlands, except there being like 30 players in one place lol

[wooden agate]

bad for adult rex*

that is prime large juvie rex territory

[full pewter]

Definitely needs more rocks, just to feel like highlands again

[light walrus]

It needs the more savannah looking grass and the fog and the cave

[full pewter]

Agreed

[light walrus]

I don't really mind the lake being split (but old one still looked better)

[full pewter]

I miss this

[light walrus]

Omg before they changed the grass i loved it it was perfect

Now it kinda looks like fur sticking out of the ground

[full pewter]

The pic was from the first gateway stress test, right after update 6 came out

I think it was changed at gateways launch cause the bigger blades meant less individual blades to render, therefore improving performance if I’m understanding it right. This time, they want to implement a mechanic where you can make trails in grass, cool idea, but honestly worthless and so situationally useful

They should just ditch it and prioritize good visuals and performance

[pastel bone]

give me time to play the adult man..

growing rex for 100 hours to die of old age

not fun

[full pewter]

And if they wanna make it look both good, and only use a few blades to improve performance, they should do what RDR2 does here

[full pewter]

Sounds like a well fought journey

And still runs better than the isle

[late flame]

@lean scarab #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[lean scarab]

@late flame tnx bro

[wooden agate]

@late flame @forest quartz its been confirmed that the current length is simply to get people through the system as fast as possible to fix as many bugs as possible

[forest quartz]

Ah.

[wooden agate]

right now you're testing the elder system, not just playing with it

you're meant to be dying over and over again to find as many bugs as possible

[forest quartz]

One would think you would also want to test the real thing

[late flame]

^

[wooden agate]

i do heavily agree with the base line though. being FG adult would need to be lengthed a while

[wooden agate]

yeah but that comes after figuring out if the mechanic itself is riddled with bugs or not

time-related things can always be adjusted but the framework for the mechanic has to work first

[late flame]

i wish it were more clear that were the case, the changenotes just said "added elder system" so i thought that was all.

[forest quartz]

okay, so why didnt this happened before?

[wooden agate]

nono i get it, its a bit confusing from the outside looking in

[forest quartz]

Like there were other mechanics or features that could've been tested way better

[wooden agate]

i mean it has

diet systems were implemented little by little

[forest quartz]

But no, I'm talking about time related features. where time matters

or time needs to go to try something like that

like why grow a trike for 8 hours to test how its to be an adult? put it on x5, test it as adult, gg

[wooden agate]

because they needed the entire growth cycle to be tested, its an entire animal. each stage of its life needs to be tested

[limber hull]

i personally dont understand the issue

its a test, on a testing branch, why is this problematic

i agree, the times are way too short

[forest quartz]

its not problematic, if they are telling us. Now 99% of feedback that it shouldn't be this short

waste of feedback

[wooden agate]

more time spent in that stage = more time spent finding bugs in that stage

the same cant really be said for elders, as most of its main mechanical backing comes from internal things so skipping the time to get to the internal things makes sense

[limber hull]

pre sure don already confirmed its at testing values, not at real values

[forest quartz]

just put it in announcements, not in a random text in isle chat that rolls 900 messages/sec

[forest quartz]

as I said, could have done with X still. Cause if there is not growth related mechanic, it doesn't matter that much

like what difference it makes to grow 3 hours juvie instead of 1.5 hours?

nothing

I would say it's good to test a sped up version and I would say it should've been like this with everything, just mention it so 9000 ppl out of 9500 will not write about the time

[wooden agate]

i dont see why the community needs things spelled out for them 24/7

testing branch contains features to be tested

woag

[forest quartz]

Idk why its hard to write 2 extra words so 99% of the feedback can be concentrated to something else

apparently its hard to understand

Just look at the feedback, 99% talking about the time

[steep latch]

@faint tapir Thanks for the shout out, very much appreciated. Hopefully this problem can get some more recognition

[lucid mauve]

Its not a problem, you want fights where you can even do more mistakes then you already can. Like you even mention maia, who does insane small dmg for its size. How do you want the rex to be? You wanne facetank that thing and then laugh when you run away after ?

[steep latch]

@lucid mauve It is all about being reasonable and engaging, if every fight is determined by those who strike first even in a head on head engagement. Rex currently is highly over tuned, headbutt stun, grapple pin, fracture and ambush which are all great in isolation allowing the predator to be able to catch it's prey but all at once from a game stand point makes these encounters unengaging.

I strongly believe in giving the players agency. Agency in the decisions they make, especially during an engagement. This is removed at the moment with Rex.

It has insane speed and range with its ambush to catch the majority of creatures. The ability to stun creatures upon arrival (time in which the opponent cannot react). Pinning then controls the fight even more. Capped off with the ability to immediately pin and stun again, plus fractures (removes most options).

Rex simply is just a trump card to everything even at its younger stages. This creates a very boring loop in gameplay. Just look at Jurassic world evolution and it's Rex, just a preset of kill animations and that's it.

[limber hull]

Honestly out of everything you mentioned, the ambush speed is by far the worst part

Such a bad mechanic imho

[steep latch]

It would be fine if it was the only thing it had, but cap it off with the ridiculous amounts of stun, pin and fractures.

Rex would be so much better with just one of these mechanics, because player agency is vital to allowing players to enjoy their experience even if they still wind up dead

[lucid mauve]

Like what head on battle? If maia strike first what fight does it win ? And you wanne boost rex speed or something then so it can chase after ambush?

If your playing cera and you choose to go head on with a rex, you already made a very bad decision. And should be hard punished

[limber hull]

i think if it were just one, it'd very much be a nothing animal

[keen shell]

i just killed a fresh raptor, and after 2 minutes, its gone rotten, is that normal?

[junior nymph]

what server are you on?

[keen shell]

au3

[junior nymph]

hm

[lucid mauve]

i do agree on the juvi thing tho, it should have a very hard time growing and by no means be a killing machine. But i do think the juvi right now is overtuned

[steep latch]

Well it is all about being reasonable. You can give Rex more than one of its abilities and be fine. You can give Rex all of it's current features but you have to limit in some way.

It is about giving some options back over to the opponent because if every engagement is the same where is the intrigue in the hunt.

[steep latch]

Well Cera ofc isn't gonna do anything and that is to be expected especially against a full grown Rex. The problem with the interaction currently is that Rex has ambush speed for an incredibly long period of time and catch a Cera from a huge distance.

[lucid mauve]

But that goes for all playables, some will have long dragged out fights some will have quick fights and some will just straight up kill you. Its a survival game, not a pvp fiesta where eveything is equal.

[lucid mauve]

I have only seen videos of it, and not sure about the ambush speed. I hope you need to get somehow close to a cera to even have a chance for ambush.

But if the cera wanne interact with a rex, well you also have every tool not to.

[last cloud]

I don’t understand the issue with the elder system, you can entomb and just start again right?

[brisk hinge]

Hello, I'm new to the server. I have a request; I can't progress with the game, it needs to be fixed. Could someone perhaps help me here?

[last cloud]

what’s your issue?

[junior nymph]

wdym you cant progress?

[steep latch]

My original point in my post was the apparent increase in stun locks, cc and instant kill features. Ofc the game isn't going to allow a Cera to kill a Rex like you said that is fine.

It is about agency, in encounters where there is chance to retreat and or survive, it should give the players choice.

Gunning from your current angle where is the difference between the isles Rex and JWE's. Agency gives the players and their encounters a non determined outcome.

Plus the game is also somewhat pvp no matter what due to the fact you are hunting players

[brisk hinge]

I've been playing Isle since 2023. It was always bad whenever I had a Windows update. By the way, I'm playing on a gaming laptop. I haven’t played in about 4 months. Last week when I wanted to play again, it worked on Monday, but not on Tuesday. When I moved the mouse, it was always slow, and the graphics were bad, even though everything is set to epic. I thought maybe it was due to all the skins in the folder, so I deleted some stuff. I probably deleted something wrong, and now it always says 'no folder'.

can't even get into the game right now

[sacred crow]

Do you remember the files you deleted?

[junior nymph]

verify game files

[brisk hinge]

Should I record what is all in my folder? I only remember skins that I deleted.

[sacred crow]

In the future, I'd say NEVER pick and choose specific files. Delete the "config" folder only unless it's a special situation

I agree with Frolo, try verifying your game files

[brisk hinge]

Last time I had a lot of skins here in the folder, but I deleted them.

[sacred crow]

The files you deleted were in there?

[brisk hinge]

👍

[brisk hinge]

Here I only deleted as far as I remember.

[brisk hinge]

from steam ?

[junior nymph]

yea

[brisk hinge]

👍

[lucid mauve]

True, but some will have it. And rex should defiantly have instant kill feutures against a cera etc. How else would it hunt? Like cera will start run after the attack, rex wont have any chance to follow it

[brisk hinge]

lol thanks 15 wrong files

[steep latch]

Well Cera isn't the first comparison I would draw on but I will go for it. Now Cera to a full grown Rex should be a no go, not a lot of food and too fast. But if a Rex was to hide well and catch the Cera off guard. Rex attacks and then fractures the Cera well no need for stun and pin, just walk it down.

Cera is never gonna win, but Cera can still survive it employs good tactics and decision making. This is also engaging for the Rex players as it tries to remove the ceras options through bleed, fracture or stamina management.

If rex got an instant kill by a headshot that is A ok.

However by adding some variability in the outcome makes for a better gaming experience

[lucid mauve]

A cera should not be able to walk away from a rex after an attack, if rex uses its crush. The rex just did that, it made good decisions and tactic by getting close enough to get in a ambush situation and should be rewarded. Like why didnt the cera see the rex before it was to close? Fighting is not where you make all your decisions in a game like this, the fight itself can mean nothing its what happend before the fight.

[tight dove]

Let me know what you think of my suggestion

[brisk hinge]

My game still leggy :/

[oak obsidian]

yeah, perfomance is still poor. The Dinos and AI are glitching around like on speed

[granite harbor]

I like the elder system, it completes the life cycle

[junior nymph]

@flint sinew its fixed on ht

[flint sinew]

Glorious thanks. The vision issue as well?

[junior nymph]

depends?

it looks nice

[flint sinew]

When its cloudy outside underwater becomes pitch black

[junior nymph]

oh yeah thats changed

[flint sinew]

Glorious!!!

One last question. Any plans on making Deino larger given that rex and trike exist now.

[steep latch]

Well some aspects of the statement is fair like the decisions leading to the engagement. However the point which I am making is ofc the rex can easily kill the Cera, I have made that abundantly clear. It's the idea of avoiding essentially death animations especially in instances where the Cera was at an advantageous position like having it's tail practically out of reach.

This is a game and dying instantly is something I believe should be avoided especially as the game isn't truly faithful to the source material.

It is prudent to giving more interactive encounters as it is engaging for everyone involved and is further good to watch. I do not like the crush as It rips agency from both players.

Now I know you are gonna focus on the Cera, which again is not the fairest comparison. But, if the Cera player just had the tip of its tail exposed to the rex it would not be fair to lock them into a stun or pin animation.

[errant ocean]

What growth % do your stats start to decline?

[floral quest]

for elder?

[errant ocean]

Just in general, I see people saying about it and wondered how it worked

[wooden agate]

about 90%

IF you reach prime elder, atleast

if you're a normal elder, you begin declining right at 75%

[errant ocean]

Ahhh right, thank you!

[junior nymph]

@rare patio go on no ai servers for the meantime. DIno AI is making the ping skyrocket

[limpid bear]

we genuinely cant let the devs port this version of the elders to the main branch

[junior nymph]

they wont lol

as superlunary showed above its just so they can get all the entombment bugs out

[rare patio]

Yeah, but for people who wanna play as a carnivore its kinda difficult to get started as one on no AI

[junior nymph]

Im playing rex on na2 no ai lol

its a challenge which is fun

[rare patio]

Can rexes eat rotten meat/bones?

[junior nymph]

nope

but if you want you can spec into the mutation that allows you to eat bones

[rare patio]

Thats shocking, rexes irl were opportunistic scavengers and they found proof of them eating bones 🤨

[limpid bear]

no one is testing ts

i hope they do smth more similiar to ts

[junior nymph]

game is not real life I guess

[junior nymph]

i said this

[limpid bear]

i said it yesterday too

[rare patio]

But thats what they kept saying, that they wanted to make it as realistic as possible.

[wooden agate]

i wouldnt be upset if rex could eat bones for no diet

[junior nymph]

they want it to be immersive, different thing

[valid zephyr]

I wouldn't mind the adult time being linked to the base growth time of the animal.

So rex would stay a 100% (or is it 75% now?) adult longer than hippy.

[rare patio]

I mean dead bodies cause as much lag as anything else because they're coded as live bodies.

But yeah, or for like 2% diet each bite. Especially since I'm assuming full grown their hunger will drain in about 30mins give or take?

[rare patio]

Idk how long their base grow is but I believe their goal is to eradicate mixpacking and the death match that the servers have become... would also probably stop most of the hackers that come on strictly just to kill things...

[valid zephyr]

Yeah I really like how elders prevent there just being a buildup of 100% growth animals which then megapack together and won't die.

Instead you have a natrual throughflow of animals

people wanting to stay as full strength adult forever are kinda missing the point there

[lucid mauve]

Yea, i see your points. Ofcourse alot of the fights should not be just death, they can be very long with good decision and tactic as winning outcome. But it is hard to do with all, like lets take herrera needing to jump someone two times would be really hard with the mechanics its gotten.

[limpid bear]

everyone elder models arent out are they?

[junior nymph]

they are

[icy lion]

"testing" literally means "use the system to replicate/entomb"

[rare patio]

Plus...again its supposed to be a survival game, not pvp. Why do people go after juvies in the game? Because they are weaker...so if you're in your adult/prime years...wouldn't you go after the weaker target rather than the stronger target?

[rare patio]

😂😂😂

[limpid bear]

sry i meant frail elders

[junior nymph]

They are the same

[limpid bear]

dude ik oml i was joking

[junior nymph]

iicr dondi wanted it that way

[limpid bear]

frail elder models arent in the game but prime are

i was playing frail cera and didnt notice any changes

[rare patio]

Elder models are either frail or prime

They made it that way so people would have to judge by stalking/watching their prey or if desperate enough, by attempting

[wheat nova]

any mods around? i need an opinion on smt

[true coral]

not rlly

[icy lion]

I'm around

[wheat nova]

thanks for resonding, theres an app called "dlss swapper" what it does is basically updates any games dlss or fsr to its newest version. and its works. i spotted that the isles dlss can be updated, i was wondering if players could do this? or is it an EAC ban?

[wheat nova]

might be a dumb question but hey

[icy lion]

I have NO idea unfortunately. Personally I can't see any reason why it would be an issue, but if you want to be extra extra certain I'd dm Punch

[wheat nova]

thing is, im pretty sure it works by replacing ingame dlss files and i think thats against the rules

[cinder haven]

Is this visual fair? Now a Rex lighter than me can hold me. How many hours of my work have been wasted? Let's not play then. Stego can easily kill you. This is not fair.

[tall vine]

@cinder haven u were very low stamina, it's like how raptor's pin works, so nothing new, if u are exhausted even smaller people can hold you in the ground if they on top of u(like raptors do to bigger dinos) or have a strong grip strenght(like rex does to stego)

i can agree tho, that they should be on your head for it to make real sense, but The Isle doesn't make any sense or realism

If u were above 20% stam(i think?) u would not be pinned, not sure tho

[lucid mauve]

My biggest problem is how can you be that many rexes without starving

[cinder haven]

Don't pin this on me Stam, even the smallest one can't pin me, it's ridiculous, I was stronger than all of these guys, I flattened them all, I died because a kid came and caught me

I'm telling you straight out that Rex is broken, these guys were supposed to kill me with a headshot but I died like this, it's not fair, I killed the biggest Rex, he's already lying on the ground and the others are low.(eril)

[cinder haven]

Ai diablo

[urban flax]

The presence of AI diablo might just be here for the express purpose of allowing people to grow rexes easier and find issues faster

[lucid mauve]

Thats a good point actually

[tall vine]

there's AI Diablo since when?

[urban flax]

Since horsetest

[tall vine]

thanks, didn't even see that in the patch notes

[urban flax]

That's because it's not in the patch notes

[old idol]

I just recently struggled for like 5 minutes trying to find a boar

I could just barely make out its general direction

[clear canyon]

@frank notch #general-feedback message people group in packs of 20. Pack limit won’t prevent anything. Unofficials = more limits and rules

[green void]

Gah, got on NA 4 for the HT and waited the queue out, just for it to say server full, then once I did finally get in, the server immediately crashed, got on after the crash, and ended up being client disconnected within 5 mins. This is the server that shows the least ping for me on the menu (43) then when I get in the ping is 100+.

[junior nymph]

play a no AI server. They have no ping issues!

[green void]

Thank you! I'll do that instead ;w;

[tall vine]

oh wow, hidden buff for some only

[supple cedar]

Guys, why did the devs remove all the food from migrations?!?!?!

and if this is a bug why it's not in know issue?

this happen with 100% of the time

players and devs need to hear herbivore players

migration is bugged for 2 years

2 years... and is not even in know issue

and before someone say i reported this bug soooooooooo many times

[cursive garnet]

Cries in fish spawns and patrol/migration for carnivores.

[supple cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-dampsausage772-emporershmingleblorp-idgafwar-falling-gif-700044825151028376

I just want to grow a Stego without going to a jungle with no food.

But yeah, AI bugs are also a problem

The devs prefer adding the Rex before fixing the game

The game will stay bugged until everyone gives up playing, just like once a long time ago

[icy bramble]

I just think it'd be neat for a smilodon to ambush an omni

Or to climb a tree and eat a herrera

[valid zephyr]

@strange quiver yeah i've suspected this for the small fast grows. That they grow so fast that they can't actually fulfill the requirements for prime elder in time.

[icy bramble]

Decline in general could be slower

[valid zephyr]

like for example just spawned as a hypsi.

instantly it's impossible to fill getting to santuary, as i'll be grown before reaching it

[strange quiver]

I dread hypsi, my favorite playable, getting old elder consistently and feeling like trash to play.
I fulfilled every requirement of the list people have been showing except for three of them on my beipi (2 of which are entirely out of my control btw, I can't hatch from an egg or nest if there are literally no other beipis nesting) and I got stuck with bad elder despite my best efforts. I just couldn't get around the map fast enough to fulfill the mz quota lol...

[valid zephyr]

if your hypsi spawns highlands, find a cliff.

because you're not getting elder

[strange quiver]

That's even more upsetting, I didn't know hypsi was already back in and already suffering that badly. Sighs

Time to try it and seethe the entire time I suppose

[valid zephyr]

yeah if the game decides you need nesting, then that elder run is toast.

as people don't nest, especially on less popular animals

[strange quiver]

It doesn't help that some of the requirements contradict each other. Idk how valid the list is but the devs have requested it not be shown, so... That's telling I think.

[valid zephyr]

luckily even if you get frail elder you can emtomb and get inherits next life

but that might be a bug and removed

[strange quiver]

But you can't possibly keep full diet on hypsi (which grows in TEN MINUTES at max) AND visit multiple pzs and mzs and sanc all at once.

You actually cannot accomplish that

[strange quiver]

Tbh I think that's my issue with the entire elder system, actually. A system that incentivizes you to kill off the animal you're trying to play as... Kind of sucks?

I'm likely an outlier here but hypsi is my actual favorite to play as. Other favorites are galli and beipi. I haven't tried hypsi yet, but getting to elder on the other two actually make you SO slow that the animal doesn't feel worth playing anymore.

My favorite thing to do is grow these creatures and then nest a bunch of kids in, and in general, live until my creature dies to something. Elder system feels like a very heavy-handed way of saying "you should die now because we want you to, and if you don't, you'll be slow enough to be caught by everything bigger than you". That feels so, so bad.

I just saw frail elder hypsi's stats as well, ew lol. The fact that even its 2 biteforce that can't even kill a ptera accosting you gets nerfed... You'll even wind up dead to another hypsi if they decide to attack you because they quite literally will do x2 the dmg to you.

[valid zephyr]

i mean that's the idea of frail elders.

even with frail elders, if you survive and replicate, you get a big reward next life

[strange quiver]

For an animal that can get 1tapped by anything? Why would I want to grind out a bunch of hypsies instead of just getting to enjoy the one I have?

[polar tiger]

“Tbh I think that's my issue with the entire elder system, actually. A system that incentivizes you to kill off the animal you're trying to play as... Kind of sucks?”

I really like the way you worded this, it’s how I feel too

[strange quiver]

People are already trying to metagame getting elder too, which also sucks from a gameplay perspective. Going to miss spawning in with some friends, travelling to an area we like, and setting up in our hangout spot/"territory" in prep for nesting.

Now, why would we want to do that and end up frail and weak? You're kind of routed down the checklist now lol

[honest helm]

How does Stego compare to Rex in a horde test, both fully grown?
What is the best way for me to behave as Stego? Attack or run away? Can I shake him off? Or will he catch up with me in the end?

[ember flax]

Adult stego can't stun adult rex , but if both are prime elder's the stego can stun the rex so you have more of an advantage but overall it is pretty rough for steg

[honest helm]

if i am fullgrown, can i like survive abit infront of a rex?

if its 1v1

[ember flax]

88% or 100%?

[honest helm]

100 both

[ember flax]

It will be the same just slower paced cause they both keep there weight , but there dmg and speed decreases

[honest helm]

okay hmm

[ember flax]

So possibly better for the stego since u have more time to attack back or something

Without just getting bursted down

[sudden hinge]

@tiny vapor though it’s challenging that’s the point of large playables they shouldn’t have shortened times to grow because there’d be too many fully grown individuals at any given time and make smaller class animals suffer as well. As is now it’s great because you actually feel like you’ve achieved something when growing an apex and can extend that time through multiple sessions

[tiny vapor]

Mix packers kill apexes all the time, you still have the risk of dying to another apex and having that time wasted, why would anyone want THAT much time? 9-11 hours should be for sauropods or something legit OP that’s just my opinion, not to mention the unlimited hackers they just love to have on their game, imagine wasting 10 hours finally getting to have some fun only for a small Omni to run up to you and snap your ankles with a karate chop

[sudden hinge]

That’s why I don’t play on officials and mixpacking isn’t supposed to be part of the game nor is it encouraged there just isn’t a way to get around that if hackers and mixpackers are the worst of your problems I wouldn’t play on servers that can be easily exploited. A trike stego deino or Rex shouldn’t be a quick grow imo the growth times are a decent buffer so that smaller tiers aren’t getting severely overwhelmed

[tiny vapor]

I get the whole like you want smaller tiers to be able to outgrow the apexes in growth speed but that can still happen, just make their growth quicker too like instead of a cera taking 3 hours do 2 etc. I start to avoid officials just because of the unbelievable amount of hackers, unofficials can manipulate growth rates and it’s just much more fun seeing quicker progress to experience multiple gameplays for people with less time. I just wish that was the standard. (Not all unofficials are fun or have population)

[sudden hinge]

Tbh with the elder system in place that just wouldn’t give anyone the time necessary to get peak elder I think the growth rates are fine no one needs to grow a full apex in one session that’s my opinion anyway. I just don’t see a real issue with the growth rates atm it seems fair yeah it sucks to lose progress but that’s where game style plays in if you make sure to log in safe areas and are cautious growing an apex is fairly easy just tedious which is fine in my book. Hackers suck as well as mixpackers would love to have a way to combat them hopefully we get something down the line

[tiny vapor]

Maybe if all those issues went away the experience wouldn’t be as bad

[sudden hinge]

I think it would help multiplayer games will never be perfect players are always gunna look for ways to make it unenjoyable for others which is lame

[frozen heron]

Are you on NA4

[halcyon thicket]

yes

[halcyon thicket]

im on na4

[frozen heron]

NA4 is cursed dont play on it
No mushrooms no food for herbis

[halcyon thicket]

found that out. bullied a rex juvie as a dibble juvie

[covert tiger]

has anyone actually seen dibble ai respawn? or do they only spawn at server restart and then never again?

[wintry cipher]

@lofty cipher ...your body is left behind. its not escaping death. the carnivore still gets food out of that situation

[limber hull]

@quartz meteor #general-feedback message
DO NOT make rex a canni, it does not need to be even easier and more numerous than it already us

it only works for deino because deino cannot reliably consistently engage with hunts

it is opportunistic

see, cera, a cannibal which thrives from its cannibalism and in fact uses cannibalism to megapack

[lofty cipher]

Well the player still escapes and has no consequences

[wintry cipher]

kill them faster then

[lofty cipher]

What about stego tho. Imagine it just entombs while you play omni, you cant possibly kill it in time even if they hard log

[wintry cipher]

you get the body. thats genuinely a you problem if you want to be sadistic about it. in the end its food and diets

[limber hull]

who cares??

you got the food

[lofty cipher]

I already see how many people just water or rock camp, it will make the game so much more worse than it is because people dont want to loose rheir progress instead of fighting back

[limber hull]

if you're a complete senior, what exactly are you fighting for?

[wintry cipher]

its a survival game and it just had the main reason to be a survival game added. players will be cautious and defensive now because they have something to lose

[limber hull]

this is such a non-issue, it isn't a competitrive game where the enemy has to lose something to warrent you winning

you got FOOD, you got exactly what a carnivore needs

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message peak feedback

[limber hull]

so what if they keep mutations, it's not your job to deprive them of mutations

[junior nymph]

also @thick ivy HT has them fixed

[lofty cipher]

Well I play this game to have fights and not because I want easy fake wins

[limber hull]

that's not what the game is built around

your goal is survival, if they entomb, you win

[junior nymph]

yay

[limber hull]

frankly a fight with a weak old senior isn't even a fight at all

take your W

you scared an elderly creature so hard he died on the spot, that's imho you killing them lol

[quartz meteor]

As opposed to Deino…? Why is Deino a canni then…? It was for CC and it worked.

[limber hull]

i already said why

it only works for deino because deino cannot reliably consistently engage with hunts

it works opportunistically, it doesn't get to choose its food

[quartz meteor]

And Cerato as well?

[limber hull]

adding a new diet option to rex is purely a buff to its numbers

[limber hull]

the megapack king

[quartz meteor]

Yes but Cerato doesn’t become as powerful as a Rex. You can still kill ceratos.

[limber hull]

rexes will benefit from failing hunts, because they can eat their allies who died, rexes will benefit from overpopulation of rexes, because they have tons of food options

[junior nymph]

rex also just doesnt need it.

[limber hull]

exactly, so imagine giving that much sustainabilityto something you cant kill

[thick ivy]

so when ht out they will be back