general-feedback-discussion

[wooden agate]

it already one shots stegos that get into its enviorment

[normal shuttle]

Doesn’t need to at all

[thick ivy]

its weird taht the game makes weak irl dinos strong and stronger dino irl weak in the gmae

[normal shuttle]

Mfw game design and adjusting things to different roles is a thing

[thick ivy]

would deino have problems with 2 barrys

[indigo gulch]

Not with the bite force tho

[normal shuttle]

Not at all lol

[thick ivy]

k

was about to say

[wooden agate]

good

deino actually has to use its ability? shocker

[indigo gulch]

So your point is wrong?

[normal shuttle]

If deino actually posed a consistent threat to stegs and the like with bites it would be atrocious for balance as it is rn with zero indicators.

[wooden agate]

did i say it was the biteforce that caused it to one shot or are you seeing things

[indigo gulch]

It literally uses its ability more than biting

[wooden agate]

why would we buff its biteforce when it quite literally already has all it needs to currently defend itself

[thick ivy]

i stil lbelieve that deino should be a 50/50

[wooden agate]

yes... because... it kills by drowning

[normal shuttle]

500 damage is also easy a lot, why would it need more? To run out of the water and chomp trikes?

[thick ivy]

with spino underwater

[wooden agate]

its not meant to just be chomping down on things lol

[normal shuttle]

I still believe you are deadset in that idea and there’s no way to convince you

[indigo gulch]

Then why are you saying- you know never mind

[wooden agate]

im saying it doesnt need its biteforce increased

[thick ivy]

yes because the only other water predator that isnt itself jsut destrous deino

[wooden agate]

because it already has pretty much everything it needs in that department. i dont think you read very far into the convo before responding lol

[indigo gulch]

I did but aight -_-

[thick ivy]

like i think that deino should be able to manouver aroudn spino

[indigo gulch]

Okay no

[wooden agate]

well it wont

[thick ivy]

liek a cera vs dibble

[wooden agate]

deino will be forced to move. move or die, its up to you. dont be surprised when you dont move, you die

[thick ivy]

lame though

[wooden agate]

then dont play deino if its playstyle does not fit what you want

theres different animals in game with different niches for a reason

[indigo gulch]

Spiro movement was fun for deinos until you came across a canni clan and there was 0 you could do about it

[thick ivy]

exactly no one will play deino

[wooden agate]

you want a water predator thats dominating? play spino

[wooden agate]

if people automatically just 'went to the strongest animal' as youre trying to imply, we wouldnt be seeing tenos, or carnos, or omnis, or troodons, or literally anything but cerato in the servers

[thick ivy]

deinos main food source would be itslef

[wooden agate]

people play what they find enjoyable. if they enjoy deino and are okay with the fact that no, you are infact not the strongest thing in the water, then deino is perfect for them

[thick ivy]

because people will main trike rex and spino

[indigo gulch]

It already is

[thick ivy]

which deino wont be abke to kill

[cyan flame]

We're lacking most of the roster, there'll be more options down the line

[normal shuttle]

The only water predator?

Deino is can roll beipi, bary, austro, sucho, 6 ton spinos and maybe cheirus. Why is it so big of a deal that FOR ONCE there is something in the water that Deino has to worry about, especially when that thing is a +11 ton beast who specializes on having copious amounts of health and great defensive power?

It just goes COMPLETELY AGAINST deino’s role of excelling at targeting smaller opponents. So unless you turn Deino into a water rex and give it fractures or some sort of cc for water combat, that is never going to happen

This is like asking for a carno to have a 50/50 against a teno. F* no.

[wooden agate]

if servers can maintain enough apexes to have a majority of the server be trike/rex/spino adults, thats a completely different issue

[thick ivy]

wait completely forgot about those things

my bad

i think that spino deinocheurs and barry should all get released smae time

and some changes to underwater wilflife

like reworkign swamp

[normal shuttle]

Like seriously, think of spino “early” game. If you are any far from the shore and a deino spots you, you get one tapped even if you are the size of a stego. Would it really be that much to ask for that by the time it is 11-12 tons it isn’t forced to just avoid confrontation against an equal opponent (which is doing so outside of its intended role)?

[thick ivy]

if deino gets victimised by the duck aswell

[normal shuttle]

Cheirus is not spino

It will be a lot less likely to chase it down, and also is potentially smaller and with less damage

[wooden agate]

i imagine deinocherius will be deinosuchus's big "50/50"

[barren crater]

I mean if deino isn't grabbing it, then gg lol

[thick ivy]

that would be cool

[normal shuttle]

Out of almost 60 playables, deino only has two worry about 2 matchups: spino and itself; and against spino it can just flee safely with no chance to get caught whereas you can skill through another deino

Only. Two. Matchups.

[wooden agate]

i dont imagine deinocherius to be very agile in water, mostly preferring to wade and such with its large size (as shown in concept)

i can imagine in deeper waters where the cherry doesnt have full visualization (or cant touch the bottom), deino could very well mess them up

and i know sizes arent always accurate in concept art and should be taken with a grain of salt but

my boy looks about 6-7 tons

basing that off the sucho

[normal shuttle]

Yeah they aren’t a very solid representative but it is something

Same goes for cama feeling undersized in the concept imo

20 ton cama when…

[wooden agate]

cama was also criminally undersized in legacy so i wonder if part of that comes from tap remembering legacy lol

[normal shuttle]

To be fair-

That was just the newer cama. On release it was the right size

And sandbox dinos just got put under the rug

Camarasaurus (Dwarf sauropod niche)

10-12 tons 😭

Although it seems to vary

But the middle ones with combat brug

[fast sail]

#general-feedback message

@normal shuttle Specifically because humans are excellent long distance runners. We have slow twitch fibers, on average 70% and 30% fast twitch. Conversely stuff like chimps have 30% slow twitch and 70% fast twitch (very roughly). Fast twitch gives you more "power" over a short duration but are worse at endurance to simplify things.

Movement also causes heat, and we have an excellent way to dissipate heat via sweat. There's a few other details that make us endurance runners, but as a whole, humans were theorized to be pursuit predators who literally ran down their prey until they were particularly exhausted.

Dinosaurs didn't have sweat glands (as far as I'm aware), and while the slow twitch/fast twitch ratio depends on dinosaurs- I imagine that for a lot of the faster dinos, it makes sense that their stamina is "that bad", because in the end some of them are animals over 10 times your weight which can sprint at speeds in excess of 40 km/h.

If you look at some predators like lions, cheetahs, etc which can reach similar speeds (higher) with a lower weight, they can only do so in very short bursts. And then you've got the concept that the heavier an animal is, the more mass they've gotta haul around, and the less efficient they'll be in terms of energy for movement.

Gameplay wise... Prolly with wanting stamina as a resource or something, but you were asking more from a realism point of view. Also, do remember that the "trot speed" of a lot of dinos, while appearing slow relative to their size, is a lot faster than the average human's jogging speed, looking at you galli specifically- And they can maintain that speed forever gameplay wise.

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-11059538064120696238

Dw I will read it now

Just lemme lunch, no malice in the gif

[frank tapir]

@wispy abyss they want the dinosaur gameplay loop to be finished before they make evrima the official branch

[wispy abyss]

i see, thanks for your feedback!

[normal shuttle]

well...I got fact checked hard

I will take the L

[wooden agate]

ngl i was convinced it was bait

[normal shuttle]

good to know about the wonders of the human body though

[normal shuttle]

I can still be self aware

[wooden agate]

valid

[fast sail]

Technically not an L, you do have some animals like wolves which are more pursuit predators... You are right that in a way it would actually be very cool to have dinosaurs which are pursuit predators aka way better staminat the cost of way lower speed (maybe mono), but there would need to be a rework to the scent system- Cuz rn the issue is that lower speed but higher stamina duration just means your prey is going to sprint away into the woods and regain its stamina while you're still struggling to reach it

[rotund fractal]

@fast sail damn I learned biology from you xD but nice work

damn apparently a lot of hacks happen. But I personally haven't experienced any, I usually play on unofficial servers too

[stark spade]

Same, have never seen any hackers yet, but i play on unofficals as well, so maybe there are just less there

[rotund fractal]

yeah, I am not a fan of official servers, I personally need some rules especially for mixpacks and I like it a bit more realistic and not Herbi and Carnis living together in a herd and the Hackers are also a reason

[bronze matrix]

when i mained troodon i've never seen hackers either but once I started playing dibble I encountered them a lot
they tend to go for the bigger dinosaurs in my experience bc as a troodon i only really fought juvis in sanctuaries

[urban flax]

@unreal ridge Better soltuion which is already in the game : You can bind alt attacks and free camera movement to different keybinds

[rotund fractal]

but the devs should hurry up a bit, every day I see a lot of criticism because of anticheat and it's also f*cked up when hackers come and destroy everything

[frank tapir]

I hope they can fix it soon, it's slowing everything else down

[rotund fractal]

I notice it in the increasing number of players on the server where I play, the queue is now over 100 every evening

the most dont wanna play on officials anymore

[bronze matrix]

I think there is a gameplay mechanic or trait for a playable there
less sprint stamina cost but during sprints more water drain
this shouldn't be a mutation bc it'd be broken and has a negative side effect
but as a specific mechanic for a pursuit hunter ... i could see it

[rotund fractal]

Guys, what do you think of the idea of putting a slightly larger flying dinosaur in evrima? And if so, what do you think of the idea of a grab function or a special attack like the eagles to hunt smaller dinosaurs that still have a slight weight? I think that would be too hard, don't you? But it's a funny idea. Would post this in general feedback but have a cooldown xDD

[wooden agate]

quetz is coming

and then elder quetz

[fast sail]

Maybe... Dunno for which one, though, both gen1 and gen2 humans maybe? As far as I'm aware, no dinosaurs or reptiles had sweat glands, but it would be cool

[rotund fractal]

yeah I know that, but I wanted to hear your opinion in general and about the idea where I wrote whether that might be too exaggerated xD

[rotund fractal]

dammn looks pretty cool

[wooden agate]

i mean functionally its just deino grab but in the air, no?

shouldnt be that hard

assuming it works in the way most of us assume it does

he do be flying away with la galli

[rotund fractal]

And you can add that the graped dino can bite free if you to slow to go back in air

would be also fair

[rotund fractal]

I dosent see that draw, but nice!

but a Galli? Is that not to big? xD

[bronze matrix]

another thing that would be cool but probably won't get praying for modders in the future to make this
is a flyer that fills the "flying piranha" niche

(and i know that piranhas aren't like that but i didn't come up with another name for that niche)

[rotund fractal]

interesting

[bronze matrix]

like imagine a flyer that can pounce

probably extremely broken and hard to implement but

i can dream

[rotund fractal]

what i particularly like about these ideas here is that as a baby it becomes even more horror-like, more suvival, more hope and respect, sure it gets harder then but on the other hand life is hard xD

And you have as flying dinosaur more fun xD

[rotund fractal]

some dreams comes true

Every Day I dream about my allo and Alberto

[bronze matrix]

imo it'd be a good thing to make the juvi experience more dangerous
especially with apexes coming out

I'm all for the sea turtle baby experience for anything growing larger than a dryo

[rotund fractal]

true and important point with Apex, When you will be a strong Dino like Rex or Spino, you should be a hard life as juvie

[vernal jacinth]

@gusty flax why even put that there? It’s not general feedback at all. If you want something on Rex try asking in #phase-three-requests

[frank tapir]

@gusty flax rex is already planned and will be added to the current hordetest once trike is done being tested

[rotund fractal]

THE CURRENT Hordetest?! OMG

[gritty heart]

Humans are a stamina hunter species of course we run longer

[rotund fractal]

xD Dammnnnnnnnnnn

then I have to download the Hordetest 😦 xD

[vernal jacinth]

That is true considering we can track prey for miles till it collapses from exhaustion

[gritty heart]

We run at a moderators but consistent pace. Our skin, usually soft and seeming a liability, is also around because I allows us to sweat well and generally get rid of heat (similar to how elephants have naked skin, though they have tough hides as they need to tank)

[indigo gulch]

It is ready when it's ready

[gritty heart]

There is way more to the topic than that. But that’s the simplistic explanation basically

[vernal jacinth]

Yep yep. I just hope HT isn’t a lagging mess when it does. I wanna see that thing in its full power

[indigo gulch]

I mean that's why we have hair under armpits. To hold the sweat so you cool off better

tho it smells X-X

[vernal jacinth]

This is why it sucks to be prego during the summer this year…. I’m gonna have to use so much DO I’m gonna cry

[indigo gulch]

oh congrats! And good luck x)

[vernal jacinth]

Hehehe I’m gonna need it. I already got two to wrangle as is 😂

[indigo gulch]

oh gosh 0-0

[gritty heart]

Yeah. Though in nature being stinky to an even greater degree is common, so in a sense is knowing we smell is a result of our success

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message are they trolling?

[lilac bolt]

probably

[normal shuttle]

@full vessel pressing g immediately detaches the body vro

like instantly

same goes for steg

although

well, cryptic

[spiral plank]

#general-feedback message im not sure why everyone is downvoting this one. it's a great idea. i'd love more visual indicators & maia would especially benefit from this.

[wooden agate]

i hate when my niche knowledge spreads

grrrr

[normal shuttle]

what random button pressing as a product of reason (I thought there was no way the devs would think that was completley unavoidable) does to someone

[normal shuttle]

deino mentioned

[spiral plank]

LOL

[pliant elm]

@waxen moss Carno doesn't need to remove Maia, perhaps Dibble, and add Dilo and possibly Cerato to his diet

[hot crypt]

Small streams and creeks would be very cool and realistic, rivers don’t come from nowhere

Especially up in higher elevations

[strange quiver]

Kicking myself for not also adding this to my feedback on the nv stencils, but:

Currently the nv outlines only appear BEHIND your animal because they're tied to your actual camera, but they would be better utilized as a cone with diminishing returns the further from the animal's head it goes.

Excuse my hastily made concept lmao I just want to have SOME level of spatial awareness at night.

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message why would you REMOVE, just add both lol

what maia on a diet has to do with dilo on a diet

[full vessel]

i did not know that but it’s not like the game tell you that lol

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message
honestly, it's better to have to reset your Dino by having to kill it, since it leaves a corpse to feed other dinos. (I've also done this in the past, spawned as a carnivore, and feasted on my own corpse till 40% lolol)

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message the idea doesn't any bad faith, but I fear development or its quality would be compromised if there were many volunteers put inside there

[fair marlin]

As I see it, volunteers dont have any power decision etc.
The help that they can do, is finance a part of the project thru money.

The main goal of this project would be to finance the game at another level. By doing this it gives a way to help the devs in many ways such as making them able to be full time programmer, hire new developers, buy new logiciels, and more. Things that all need massive funding and that the community could help as a voluntary basis.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message if people have the skills to create content thats high enough quality to be put into the game, they deserve payment.

if they have the skills to create content thats high enough quality to put into the game, they have the ability to be hired by Afterthought in the first place

even if it is 100% voluntary, the outlash that comes from devs going "hey guys if you wanna make free things for us just put it in this channel lol"

not to mention we really shouldnt encourage people to work for free in todays economy lol

[latent olive]

theres also the whole "WE PAID AND VOLUNTEERED FOR THIS GAME SO WE ARE ENTITLED TO DIRECTING WHERE THE GAME GOES"

[wooden agate]

especially considering people already feel entitled to dictating game development due to their 20 dollar purchase 10 years ago

[proven fossil]

@violet vessel how dare you say that about corythosaurus

[violet vessel]

corythosuaurus is redundant and doesn't have badass thumb spikes

[wheat sedge]

I actually just requested my refund. I can't believe this game has been out for 10 years and is still this incomplete. That player base are a bunch of d 🎒 as well. Crazy how people spend money and expect a completed game, huh?

[wooden agate]

why would you spend money on an early access game and expect a full game

you know exactly what youre buying into when you buy the game lol, they dont hide it

[wheat sedge]

How is the game 10 years old and still runs like ahh

Lol

[wooden agate]

5 years, considering they had to restart half way through because of POT's lead dev.

[wooden agate]

anyone with the slightest bit of game development knowledge knows full optimization is one of the last things to be done in the development pipeline

[wheat sedge]

They do hide it. It didn't say anywhere that the legacy was scrapped and I needed to play evrima. I found that out after lol

[wooden agate]

thats not hiding it lol

but i do agree evrima should have been moved to the main branch a while ago and legacy shouldve been deleted

[wheat sedge]

I found out from a YouTube video, not from the devs. If you can find somewhere that it says "we scrapped legacy, you gotta play evrima" in the store page prior to buying. Lemme know

[wooden agate]

actively hiding information is not whats happening though

[wheat sedge]

Lol

[wooden agate]

they didnt make a concious choice of "hey lets trick all our players"

[wheat sedge]

They also didn't make the choice to inform the people buying their incomplete game

[wooden agate]

'incomplete game' you know youre buying an incomplete game at the beginning

[wheat sedge]

Released in 2015

[wooden agate]

evrima released in 2020

[wheat sedge]

And?

[wooden agate]

legacy and everything within it hasnt been used since then

[wooden agate]

its functionally a different game built from the ground up

its disingenious to include legacy development time when talking about current development

[wheat sedge]

How many dinos have they added in 4 years?

[wooden agate]

iirc we're currently at 16

[wheat sedge]

There's still a large black light structure under the water in the swamps that makes it impossible to see

[wooden agate]

i feel like youre jumping from point to point trying to see what sticks lol

[wheat sedge]

16 in 4 years, after already having player models from legacy

Nah, there are a lot of points to make

[wooden agate]

except they... didnt have all those models? and models are by far one of the least labor intensive parts of development

[wheat sedge]

If you say so

[wooden agate]

its not 'if i say so', its true lol

[wheat sedge]

Okie

[wooden agate]

rex is probably the best example of this

rex has the same model that it has in legacy. however, thats pretty much all that carried over (and the only reason it still has that model is because rex got that remodel pretty closely to legacy's cancellation in terms of a timeline"

its rig is completely new, needing to adjust to the dynamic growth of animals now and allow for higher quality animations. it has over 800 animations, it has an indepth sparring system that is multi species, it has a crush/pin/throw/ mechanic alongside potentially a unique diet system for apex carnivores

not to mention they lost close to a year of progress behind the scenes when updating from UE4 to UE5 in update 6.5 due to UE being kinda ass

[wheat sedge]

I had at least 10 playthroughs where I got a deino to 70% growth, then starved because there were zero food spawns and no land dinosaurs are ever anywhere near the swamps. Just isn't fun

Game needs a lot of work, they shouldn't be charging for it in it's current state

[wooden agate]

then leave swamp

[wooden agate]

this has to be actual bait lol

also if youve done 10 playthroughs with deino, youre probably not getting that refund

[wheat sedge]

No, the game is really that bad right now

[wooden agate]

in your mind maybe, but the game absolutely should not be given away for free lol

[wheat sedge]

I will, the game isn't playable. I have the clips of the map bugging out where you can't see anything at all

[wooden agate]

steam doesnt care if you have over 2 hours of playtime

if you have over that 2 hours, its joever lol

[wheat sedge]

It isn't, I've gotten a refund before over two hours. If you send a video or screenshot of a game breaking bug then you get a full refund. Lol

[wooden agate]

'game breaking bug' and its literally just a black box flickering underwater

[wheat sedge]

It limits vision on 40% of the screen.

[wooden agate]

in certain areas, sure

so leave those areas for now

[wheat sedge]

Youre really glazing this game bud

That's not the solution. Lol

[wooden agate]

'glazing' = not throwing a hissy fit over a early access game having bugs?

sure man, enjoy the refund you'll tooootally get

[wheat sedge]

No, vigorously throating the game even though it's done nothing to deserve such dedication

[haughty fossil]

I hope that bumping suggestions are okay #general-feedback message

[proven fossil]

it can eat water plamts

[urban flax]

@normal shuttle See ? I was right
People buy the game only to play deino, get a terrible experience and assume the rest of the game is like that

[wooden agate]

starving in swamp 9 times and thinking "wow, the 10th time will be the charm!" is truly hilarious

like if an area isnt working for you, hold w until youre not in that area anymore

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"Release spino, barry and spino in one big patch"

Spino so nice they released him twice

[wooden agate]

deino definitely has the hardest time finding food, i wont deny that

but also, thats not really an issue on paper. deino is an apex, it should have to actively work to maintain its apex status. alot of deino's problems mainly come from its kit alongside safe spots that nullify deino

[latent olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1358944727558525120/0FCD7BCD-A3AE-4FE9-ABA3-1B0EFDD36B0D.jpg?ex=67f5af67&is=67f45de7&hm=1b32d888289c4755bce7ca80e65877a43782589c26ef1661633d0e9dc89f2ea8&

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

1 just feels like we'd be delaying bary for spino, which uh... no thanks
2 sounds okay, but i dont think 'connecting all rivers' yada yada is the way to make swamp work. instead of just hand feeding players an easy way to get around, maybe introduce several paths than are marginally easier to go through than the rest of swamp
3 sounds fine for bary, but no deinosuchus should be surviving off AI at 60%
4 is a direct nerf to deino because it would add even more safe spots to drink for animals that can tussle with the smaller animals but still be grabbed by deino

im open to the turtle on deino diet and the ability for it to be more at home in the ocean though

ive been asking for turtle on that damn things diet for years

[limber hull]

i remember when it was

[wooden agate]

well, months. ever since mutations came out

[limber hull]

i wonder why they removed the turtle still

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

leg breaks are already basically a death sentence lol, making them even more harmful just makes pachy less of a 'im hitting you and running' but a "omg i can actually kill him now because he cant turn, hes slow as balls, and he cant alt bite. yay!"

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"Thus, for example, it would be possible for a Cerato to gain significantly on an Omniraptor when running downhill because its weight provides greater acceleration.
However, when running uphill, the Cerato would lose more to the Omniraptor because the Omniraptor's penalty is smaller than the Cerato's."

wouldnt a cerato just kind of realistically tumble down a hill given its full weight is now careening down a hill at 40km/hr? Also... why?

why do people go "hmmm yes the current issue with the game is that cerato STILL isn't hunting omni well enough"

also... doesn't this mean that technically animals like stego would benefit the most with a speed boost being so much heavier? so you're just buffing the heavier animals in the speed department for whatever reason

[normal shuttle]

Yup, although I would say this guy is an outlier in terms of saltiness. If only you looked the DMs I got all because of a discussion about how the croc took an eon to hill after invading a sanctuary

[normal shuttle]

And now he’s playing again for some reason-

Shows that in the status lol

Also trying to play deino so many times as a beginner is 💀 💀 💀 💀 actual self deprecating act with how bafflingly terrible deino is atm

[safe hearth]

you got me wrong. It's not about the Cerato or the Omni; I chose just two animals with speed differences. just as example
You're certainly right about Stego and other even heavier animals that will come.
for me its hard to argue with that, too.
But if it makes sense for a player to run up a hill/mountain to escape their even heavier pursuers, why not use it? This could lead to the hunt being aborted - depending on the player
I think players like Stego or Anky have the presence of mind to avoid using this kind of hill/mountain mechanic with these animals.

[urban flax]

I'm looking through your dms right now, it is funny indeed

[urban flax]

If it's meant to be realistic it should be more based on the animal's locomotion rather than its weight
Quadrupeds would be affected way less than bipedal animals

[normal shuttle]

I was thinking about reporting as I was told not so nice things all over a stupid discussion but…eh, I think this guy has enough in his plate trying to main deino for starters and getting stung by bees

[safe hearth]

thx i thought about it yesterday. but forget it. That would be a better point than taking weight or endurance, thanks.

i will change it

[normal shuttle]

#balance-feedback-discussion message here it is, was I really that much of a bad person? 😭

And now blames the player base because of me most likely

And insulted me in DMs basically because I did respond to his complaint in a feedback discussion channel and apparently I was doing so with malice

[wooden agate]

can i just say i would love to see this

its almost comforting to know that yes, im not the only one who gets yelled at in dm's by salty people with bad ideas

[normal shuttle]

Sure

No shame in it

[normal shuttle]

Imagine officials with body down rules

[wooden agate]

please no

[normal shuttle]

A random fresh spawn carno runs into your mouth in the middle of a fight and if you try to defend yourself from the original attacker you are a rulebreaker

[slim fractal]

Hi, where can I find the horde branch patch notes?

[normal shuttle]

Or rules to completely neuter herbivore aggression despite it being accepted by the devs, passivity not being universal in nature, and there’s reasons to believe that canonically the dinosaurs have human intelligence

[normal shuttle]

Announcements

[frank tapir]

the mods don't really care about dms so it's not worth trying

[urban flax]

"Human intelligence"

Deino runs on land to attack a maia, 2 dibbles and 2 stegos then dies

[latent olive]

technically deinosuchus isnt a dinosaur

so the human intelligence part doesnt apply

[wooden agate]

not entirely true

multiple people have gotten warned/muted/sometimes banned in cases where ive reported harassment in my DMs

[frank tapir]

#general-feedback-discussion message

I guess there's some variation then

[wooden agate]

id imagine slurs are definitely on the list of really bad

[frank tapir]

he really should have clarified that, I was being called a slur in that instance

[wooden agate]

yah valid

[normal shuttle]

Yup, that is something a human would do

Do you really think the average joe is that smart or strategic?

@fierce pivot imagine requiring some skill to kill something significantly larger than you

Like bruh

Omni destroys like a third of the roster on its own with barely any skill

And then you just need to put in a little effort to take on anything larger than a dilo

[junior nymph]

only thing I would say omni needs is so it does not fall off the tiny trees that move

[normal shuttle]

Omni needs debugging

And it will be good

Like ofc omni is gonna look weak if you try to fight a cera

Because cera performs exceptionally well against smaller carnivores

[woven bane]

omniraptor is unviable, why cant i solo a rex like the good old days on legacy? plz buff it. its slower than a dilo > dies on sight, it gets 1 tapped by everything and it has bad bleed output.

[normal shuttle]

But carno? Manageable. Sub tenos as a solo omni? Doable. Dibbles? Super fun fights despite being very unforgiving

[normal shuttle]

😔 why did they have to make bigger dinosaurs turn in place. So unfair

[woven bane]

yea they should introduce a mechanic where if bigger dinosaur turn too fast they break their ankles

make it RNG based

[normal shuttle]

And then the super strong and skilled omniraptor can stick to a spino’s right buttock and kill it with 200 bites

[woven bane]

they should also redesign the map to accommodate it better, remove all trees and steep cliffs, make it flat plains that way a teno cant camp against my 30 pack mates

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

They should just die in sight to the mighty omniraptor

In fact bring it back to 700kg

And 100 bite force

[woven bane]

pin threshold should be looked at, wild how a solo omni cant RMB click to 1 tap a fg stego

[normal shuttle]

Yeah, it is a 450kg carnivore pouncing and clawing at a stupid herbivore. Why doesn’t it die from one pounce to the face?

[woven bane]

louder for the people in the back🗣️ 🔥

[normal shuttle]

I remember

when someone unironically suggested anything cera sized or above should kill stegos in 2-3 headshots

lemme find it

[limber hull]

With the recode - if you’re limiting the player cap to 50 with only 2 dinos releases it will kill the game, the pvp survival element of the game requires a biodiversity and population base to hunt. A 50 player cap is insufficient to maintain this and I will take no pleasure in hunting ai. I run Dogs of war which is a discord of over 700 members who specialise in hunting with organised Utah packs we have spent a year training to ride Rex’s gigas spoons and I have very grave concerns that this recode in its current state with alt turn collision and a play cap and limited dinos will be horrible for the game and what draws us to it.

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-writing-blackbeard-feather-writing-heresy-gif-4408192544333034740

#general-feedback message @limber hull look at those upvotes...

dont care if it's necro, carnos stunlocking a stego is hilarious

and post cera release

[wooden agate]

i wonder where he is now

[limber hull]

i miss him

[bronze matrix]

is that a copy pasta?

[limber hull]

kind of

it was a real feedback turned to a copy pasta

[bronze matrix]

phew I was about to answer that xD

[normal shuttle]

I need to find it

#general-feedback message LMAOAOAOAOAO

easily the most slandered suggestion via reactions that I've seen in a while

[barren crater]

Omni is a flawed animal. Both OP and garbage depending on scenario. It needs major changes

[normal shuttle]

carnivores (except carno, cera, herra and maybe troo) trying not to be the most janky or badly designed playables in the entire game challenge (impossible)

seriously though

so many garbo carnis compared to herbis and the two omnivs

[bronze matrix]

meh i like my troodon
the ability to just rule a sanctuary makes it worth playing such a small weasel

[normal shuttle]

I mean

looking at the bright side

assriding utahs have been driven to near total extinction

the killing blow of turning evrima into the main thing is coming soon

[bronze matrix]

can't wait for the moment legacy players get an update turning it into evirma and then spamming the feedback channel about keeping legacy not knowing it's just in another branch

[normal shuttle]

also

did you guys notice how, coincidentally, Sticky Utah stopped uploading shortly after evrima release

[barren crater]

slipped in carno and cera 😭

[normal shuttle]

nah because at least they perform decently as they should

omni pounce can kill you

[barren crater]

Cerato needs some tweaks and a much longer grow time imo but fairs

[normal shuttle]

and dilo venom might as well not work and you are handicapped with that abysmal agility

[normal shuttle]

yeah I was mostly referring to not feeling miserable when you play them

and deino, dilo and omni suffer from that quite often

[barren crater]

Lets not speak about dilo

[normal shuttle]

my boy, what have they done to you

guys

[wooden agate]

hi

[normal shuttle]

I know I'm arriving late, but researching a bit the dogs of war copypasta I started digging around and I found out the existence of other extremely funny feedbacks apparently

can anyone tell me what gigashark is?

[wooden agate]

please be the carno one

[wooden agate]

IS IT THE GIGA THAT LIKE SWIMS AROUND NEAR THE ISLANDS

WHY DO I KNOW ABOUT THAT

[normal shuttle]

what?

[wooden agate]

soppmeone had suggestion like that

[normal shuttle]

did someone actually suggest a giga swimming around in the sea?

[wooden agate]

it was aquatic giga that swims around the god damn islands off the coast that was its niche it would hunt things going to the islands

i dont know i genuinely have no clue

[normal shuttle]

like a f*ing shark?

[wooden agate]

i dont know why that went on in their head

yes that was their idea

[normal shuttle]

[wooden agate]

i dont have proof you just have to take my word it was insane

[normal shuttle]

I take them

and honestly it is (sadly, but also funnily) believable

[urban flax]

Gigashark wasn't just swimming around the islands
It was actually summoning sharks to kill its prey

[wooden agate]

are you kidding

[wooden agate]

i cant believe you knwo what i was talking about i thought it was a fever dream for a while

[urban flax]

I'm looking for the copypasta
But I also remember seeing the original suggestion

[normal shuttle]

WHAT

pffffft

[bronze matrix]

literal aquaman niche

[normal shuttle]

the idea of a giga swimming in the sea and summoning sharks like some boss is just too much for me

I wish I could bait with that level of quality

[rotund fractal]

Hello guys

[normal shuttle]

#videos-and-streams message also found this by sheer coincidence

[normal shuttle]

why do you like allo and not para

or taco!!

also your suggestion

[urban flax]

Found it !!!!
#general-feedback message

[normal shuttle]

something similar has been implied

specialized salt glands

I am already wheezing

[rotund fractal]

I like Para but more Allo Allo on 1

[normal shuttle]

slopsaurus

[wooden agate]

HOLY CRAP I WASNT CRAZY

[urban flax]

THE GIGASHARK for future reference (editing a message doesn't work)

[normal shuttle]

this is so peak...

summoning AI sharks is hilarious

also a megatheropod preying on things that try to cross the sea

lmao

I wonder what other type of absolutely baffling suggestion I can find

[rotund fractal]

I hope that what I read was just a joke.....

[thick summit]

#general-feedback message I'm shocked

Why the heck would omnirat not run from something larger

[normal shuttle]

I remember when a person once said that as ANY creature you should be legally forced in officials to 3 call someone before attacking, and then when I disagreed and started pointing out the many flaws of that he went away and started downvoting literally every suggestion for like a whole day without saying anything and also switching nickname to "L isle players"

[thick summit]

😭

[normal shuttle]

I am like the Tony Stark of this server bro. So many people get mad and become villains because of me acting a certian way (discussing feedback like a normal person)

[rotund fractal]

no hate but some people throw things out there like The Isle is Eldenring or something. I'm just waiting for someone to come along and suggest fire-breathing dragons... xDDDDD

[barren crater]

😭 bro

[thick summit]

I'm war machine then

I'm somehow your sidekick 💀

[normal shuttle]

happened yesterday too

[thick summit]

We agree 99% of the time

[normal shuttle]

nah you are a unique character

[thick summit]

Lmao

[normal shuttle]

but my god

the dogs of war copypasta. I looked it up and I kinda cringed...Because I was just a little bit like that not that long ago

since I mained dilo in no alt turn servers and I had slaughtered my fair share of gigas and rexes

[thick summit]

But seriously

Besides the desync and pounce crap omni is kinda overtuned

[normal shuttle]

I ended up accepting that it was unfair and that I would have to adapt in evrima. And honestly yeah, it's hard to fight bigger stuff but it is fun and more engaging than sticking to someone's ankle biting them until they helplessly die

fighting dibbles as omni or cera is peak

[rotund fractal]

I have a better idea, let the Trex conjure up the Mosasaurus which then gets legs and grows another 50 meters in height so that it becomes Godzilla! 🕵🏻 Just a joke xD

https://tenor.com/view/kappa-turkishedits-twitch-twitch-emote-emote-gif-19815447

[thick summit]

Until it knows what it's doing and easily overpowers you

I'm really good at dibble and I love shredding through cera packs

[normal shuttle]

they are fun regardless because dibble can pull out a million different maneuvers on you

every dibble fight is different in evrima and that's great

[thick summit]

They dare to approach me...the incarnation of the devil ..they shall die

[rotund fractal]

true

[normal shuttle]

Man I remember

when a deino clan got super mad at me in an unofficial server

I was a stego by a shore and I couldn't attack the guy unless he attacked me first (thank god they changed that, absolute bs) and there was this 2-3 ton deino 3 calling right next to me the shore and biting near to provoke and saying like a kid that I imagine with nasal voice "if you hit me you will get banned"

And then a fg deino who clearly wasn't in their group came out, snatched the smaller croc and drowned it

I started laughing so hard and spreading a bit of salt in global as he was still not dying and after respawning the guy said they wouldn't leave me alone and that I would get banned for mixpacking with a croc

[muted flare]

I don't think I'm the only one who noticed that at certain angles you can see underwater. It's a big disadvantage for Deinosuchus.

Why is this not fixed? Or is it a feature?

[normal shuttle]

it will be fixed

we are all so well aware of the surface glitch that is also used quite often by the deinos themselves in that type of water (as it is harder to do in the murky river type)

[muted flare]

Thank you for your answer. It just really surprised me that this bug is still in game after so long time.

[vital laurel]

@tawny pendant it could work but your dino display is only client side, if you want to delete it would need to connect to the server and I’m not a expert but it might create ddos risk

[normal shuttle]

they know about the issue

it probably isn't seen as too of an issue rn since you have to be IN the water to use it

But I expect it to be addressed when austro or bary come out

@thick ivy 😭

why

[barren crater]

i think it's an ok idea

[thick ivy]

HOW is it bad

[barren crater]

no clue

[thick ivy]

legit makes deino life more interesting

[normal shuttle]

biggest AI in the game who also spawns in copious amounts in some spots as yet another aquatic lipids AI for deino, an apex

[thick ivy]

crocs legit eat turtles

[wooden agate]

if youre in a position to eat turtles youre either in one niche spot (river delta dam) or you're in an area that already lacks food (because you're in the ocean)

if deino can have the slightest crutch with elite fish in fresh water, there is no issue with it having a similar AI for the ocean

[limber hull]

i'll be honest, yea, if your deino is in a position to eat turtles, it's def already not doing the "meta"

[normal shuttle]

dont care about realism

tell me where you find many turtles

[thick ivy]

beach

[normal shuttle]

yes

do you think the beach is a place where deino should stay?

[limber hull]

yes

[wooden agate]

yes

[thick ivy]

yes

[limber hull]

let salt water deino be a thing

[normal shuttle]

like in west access coast just living off turtles?

[limber hull]

its such a niche build

[wooden agate]

thats the entire point of allowing saltwater mutations to exist

[thick ivy]

what they do irl

[limber hull]

do you like deinos doing nothing but spending their entire life in SP? Because I don't.

Me when playable versatility exists rather than one predetermined meta hotspot/playstyle

[wooden agate]

yeah why not

if it manages to keep its hunger up out there, it'll be fine. turtles dont give enough to sustain deino's hunger anyway even with how often they spawn (and frankly, they dont always spawn on the beach but in the grass near it, making it almost impossible to find in some cases)

[limber hull]

player expression my beloved

[barren crater]

I don't really mind it. Deino is also very visible in salt water so whatever

[limber hull]

its not like turtles are even particularly more filling than elite fish either

[wooden agate]

i think a deino living in mudflats if 30x more interesting than deino living in river delta or SP

[normal shuttle]

that has to be the most lame thing imaginable

[limber hull]

how???

allowing players to do more than one thing is lame now?

[normal shuttle]

A deino, ambush predator with a lunge attack just sticking to a beach preying on slow, defenseless AI

[limber hull]

turtles are hardly more valuable than fish

[wooden agate]

its even funnier when you remember deino has the colors nessecary to blend in almost perfectly with the ocean floor when viewed from out of the water

[limber hull]

you're acting as if there's turtles all over the place on the beach lol

[wooden agate]

which is why you go to populated beach areas (beach areas need a rework anyway tbf)

[normal shuttle]

then what's even the point of giving ti diet

[limber hull]

to let people have the option

[normal shuttle]

haven't you ever seen like 10 turtles in west rail at a time

[limber hull]

if a goddamn dilo can eat a turtle why not deinosuchus, an animal designed to crush hard outer shells

[wooden agate]

considering thats their only option out at sea, i dont really mind lol

[limber hull]

what luck! still wouldn't even fill the deino

[normal shuttle]

I mean it doesn't offend me at all

but giving another AI to deino

[limber hull]

on the same diet slot as elite fish

[thick ivy]

BRO wdym, another ai

deino only has one ai

[limber hull]

it'd basically be the coastal alternative to fish

[wooden agate]

thats exactly what it would be

[normal shuttle]

and it is lucky to have that

[limber hull]

also it has two AI

[normal shuttle]

oh yea

[limber hull]

three if you count the "cooking" meta

[normal shuttle]

frogs in deino diet lmao

[limber hull]

beach deino is such a niche build that rewards creative players risking everything to go somewhere they really shouldn't in the hope they can catch somone off guard based on the sheer lack of deinos there. turtle diet would merely slightly support it, not entirely sustain it

beach deino is literally one of the game's best results from mutations in that it ACTUALLY CHANGES A PLAYSTYLE rather than just contributes to a meta, but the game does nothing to support that creativity

beach dilo is ironically infinitely more viable

and that's a dilo

[normal shuttle]

you know

for a moment I thought you were baiting at the start

but this is reasonable

[limber hull]

in general i hope MOST aquatics get turtle because the concept of aquatics ON THE BEACHES actually gives them some unique versatility

[normal shuttle]

but I agree with sammy

coastal environments need to be more than some empty place where sometimes there's a crab or a turtle

some legacy coastal areas unironically served more purpose

well, "coastal" in the case of thenyaw but I will throw that one there too

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message @wooden agate bro wdym I love looking like an 8 ton croc while not even being 3 🙃

[leaden bronze]

flappy, please atleast read before adding reaction, I dont believe u read all that in 2 seconds

[thick summit]

@leaden bronze That's the neat thing

it shouldn't in the isle

Real life carno would beat cera almost every time

And carno can shred ceras in the open

I dunno if you've tried the HT carno because it's really good

[queen locust]

I did infact read all that in 2 seconds

[leaden bronze]

sorry i guess

[leaden bronze]

is it realy good?

[normal shuttle]

actually he can

not because of free speech

but I myself just needed the downvote ratio and reading the first line to assume this was a carno buff request to know it was not it

and yup, it wasn't. Carno is fine rn

especially in HT

@leaden bronze also, by game design and balance, WHY should carno have the upper hand over cera when it can already cc it and is 20kph faster?

It's unironically like saying cera should have the upper hand against dibble in combat. One cannot flee and could die, and can only skill its way through a fight just to not be rewarded in the end because the faster player can disengage for free

and the omni thing is something carno very much does already lol

[thick summit]

yes

[normal shuttle]

and yes

Carno in HT works perfectly as a small game hunter

easy solid A tier dinosaur in the roster rn

[thick summit]

Imma be bold and say it's an S tier

[normal shuttle]

[thick summit]

yeah...imma say it's up there

[normal shuttle]

in balance placement I would maybe say so

[lilac bolt]

where do you think hypsi will place once it has climbing?

[normal shuttle]

this tier list was mostly a design/gameplay quality one, without really accounting as a whole for viability. I would say hypsi rn is like A or B tier. And with climbing it will be design wise and viability wise most likely A+

at the very top

similar to dryo although dryo is S tier viability

ptera will also be A+ or S soon

[lilac bolt]

hopefully but we'll see. im hoping we get it somewhat soon with its new rework im really excited for it

[normal shuttle]

C or belows are things that I and my friend agreed (I didnt make this alone, I had fun in vc) are things you can salvage with a rework

C is lacking something to be good or complete, Dilo needs a rework and then Deino needs a rework...BADLY

[lilac bolt]

until then deinosuckus will remain in its place as it belongs

but a remake for either would be nice maybe not a full remake for something like deino but a full remake for dilo would be neat since i don't really think the way the venom works rn is the best by any means

[normal shuttle]

B is solid with refinement needs

A is comfortable in the game with its place and can perform well in the game. It's fun and worth trying without letdowns due to things beyond your control

And S is totally viable, outstanding playables who have the potential to be refreshing on each run (very high skill cap). And if you die it's your fault 100% really

[normal shuttle]

just miserable experience to everyone involved and it has been like this for years

it is insane how consistently bad deino has been other than the viable land deino (fun for the deino, extra unfun for everyone else)

[lilac bolt]

it just has never really been that fun of a playable. i've tried for years to have any kind of enjoyment with deino and while yeah it has its moments 99% of the time its just a bore to get through

maybe having more semi-aquatics might help but as it is right now its just not fun at all

[normal shuttle]

the moments: waiting a while for some clueless playable to appear and start drinking in an unsafe spot

and all of that is just a rmb and a short shot of dopamine

[normal shuttle]

gambling the playable

[lilac bolt]

pretty much yeah

[normal shuttle]

deino is so bad

I hate it so much

[signal wyvern]

not ur playstyle there are other dinos you can play. Until they add more food in the rivers/ocean this is the gameplay cycle mixed with killing other deinos.

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i don’t want to die because cera made me vomit and plants didn’t spawn in time

[normal shuttle]

No, it’s not just that

It plainly sucks conspired to everyone else

It is an awesome and potentially doable idea but with an abysmal execution

Ambush hunter can absolutely be my playstyle because I love herra and I am looking forward to Rex so much, more than anything else in the current roadmap despite not being fond of apexes all that much

[faint folio]

@signal wyvern deino size and bite force shouldn't be buffed when rex is added. Even though real deino is thought to have a much larger bite force, the isle makes clear that they aren't aiming to be accurate to reality - Herrera could not climb, and dilo was not venomous, to start. Instead the game is balanced around what is fun, what is plausible if fictionalized, and what makes good gameplay. For deino, they don't need more health (btw for the isle weight in kg == health points) because they are able to retreat to water to avoid death. Just like Herrera can climb to avoid predators and ptera can fly. They're also quite tanky already. They also don't need more bite force (which is equivalent to damage that the basic bite attack does). 500 is quite hefty, and with its lunge mechanic it effectively can do up to 4000kg of damage via drowning animals it can pick up. If the animal is swimming, the deino can grab and drown heavier than that as well (I've heard FG Stegos? But I haven't played deino or stego recently so I can't confirm).

The way I see it, if Rex catches deino on land, it should absolutely be game over deino. Rex is a terrestrial apex. Deino is not terrestrial. However, if a Rex swims after a Deino, Deino should be able to take advantage and punish that miscalculation, because Deino is a semi-aquatic apex and Rex is not. I don't know if Deino will be able to lunge a FG Rex if it's swimming or not

[normal shuttle]

@signal wyvern just because two creatures live in the same place doesn't mean one should have a chance at beating another, and this is something along the lines to what Dondi has said many times in the past. Deino does not need a buff to deal with rex or trike because a) by design it isn't meant to be doing that; and b) it would be extremely unfair for animals who cannot quickly back off or jump away from the water to get instantly crippled even if you are outside snatching range

Also I know what study you are talking about and they did a laughably wrong measure, that is immediately obvious even for the mildly educated

Lemme find the quotes about all of this

To contradict the need to buff something just because more are being added to have a fair go

And now more on topic with deino and rex

[vernal jacinth]

@zealous patrol what do you mean?

[zealous patrol]

there is a unofficial server name islander I dont if that is the server discord

[icy lion]

This is not its discord

[zealous patrol]

bro i cant join it canu invite me to the server

[vernal jacinth]

Yea. No idea why people are asking such questions in the feedback channel

[vernal jacinth]

You can Google it

[zealous patrol]

not working pls help bro

[vernal jacinth]

I’ve heard islander doesn’t even have a discord anymore

[zealous patrol]

bro the server have shudown idk what time other people know

[vernal jacinth]

And I literally just googled islander discord and it’s the first thing to come up.

[zealous patrol]

wth

[vernal jacinth]

Literally. Go Google it.

[zealous patrol]

I need help bro i am 15

[vernal jacinth]

Hun if you’re 15 and you don’t know how to google something. You shouldn’t have a computer.

[zealous patrol]

I dont mean that, I mean they show discord bottom and when I click it it let me in the The Isle server

[zealous patrol]

why u hate bro

[zealous patrol]

I saw it but it seems they dosent have a server alr ty

[vernal jacinth]

You can ask there why.

[signal wyvern]

While I agree with some of your points, the reality is that deino gets trashed on by both trike and Trex in its own territory, the water.

Deino can only lunge at equivalent of 4 tons which stego falls in because 6.8t * 60% is less than <4.0t.

This is not the case for Trex or Trike as their weight class is above that threshold even swimming. 100% deino should be able to punish any terrestrial creature swimming while atm both Trex and Trike can swim and actually turn the croc into prey under water which is crazy man.

[cyan flame]

You can grab up to 6T if the target is swimming, which is enough to grab smaller rexes and trikes. Larger ones are not meant to be targets, and while you can probably bite them from behind/below while they're swimming, you're not really meant to take them on, unless they go for a very long swim I guess. Or there's two of you, in which case you might be able to drown them indirectly by body blocking (trike at least, rex might do too much damage)

[signal wyvern]

They unfortunately did not exaggerate either the size nor the bite force when they came to these calculations. The data is plainly there, with plenty of evidence indicating both jaw strength and teeth resilience to withstand incredible pressures and force. Modern crocs have 12k psi, we can easily extrapolate from that.

I appreciate you addressing the swimming issue as that’s really where I see the deino falls really short against Trex and Trike atm.

Solely because a fg deino cannot do much to either fg Rex or Trike. Both make the croc look like it’s a joke in the water bro. I know it’s a game but gator should not be a joke especially one that is the size of a semi truck with trailer man.

[signal wyvern]

Anyone that’s within 8ton should be under deinos crosshairs while swimming. It’s plain physics, don’t like it don’t go for a swim. Honestly no need to swim unless you lazy.

[cyan flame]

You could argue the same for stego, but both it and deino are not meant to be true apexes, they're just going to have to deal with not being up there with the others. Spino will also make deino flee, or so it's been said. Both of them, while technically powerful enough to match up, in various ways, don't get to do that in this game, as it stands.

[cyan flame]

Even if you could grab up to 8T, trike is 9.5 I think, and rex is probably going to be over 9T too. So they'd still be out of your range.

[lilac bolt]

deino would have to be what about 18+ tons to grab rex or trike right?

[signal wyvern]

There are too many safe spots as is, too many safe crossings. The way I look at it is you only cross water if you want a shortcut. You only drink in unsafe spots as a convenience.

Also deino wouldn’t have issues dragging even 10ton creature down as most creature wouldn’t be able to withstand that extreme clamp and not be able to resist getting dragged down.

There is really no need for most dinosaurs to be swimming so they should All be weary of it .

[signal wyvern]

On land

[cyan flame]

If you're talking from land, yes, from water it'd have to be around 12-13T

[cyan flame]

Well, maybe they should, but it's not how deino is meant to work here it would seem

[signal wyvern]

Considering all the water perks, safe spots, crossings, really we do have have chances to ambush except for ignorance or risks people take which I would argue none of them need to take a risk. Which will leave gator hungry

[cyan flame]

You got an upper limit of 6T, anything bigger, you just avoid, unless you have some strategy to trick it or otherwise

[lilac bolt]

deino can already one shot 90% of the current roster why would anyone want it to be able to grab anything bigger then 6 tons

[signal wyvern]

This is design choice, physics says croc can easily drag Trex or trike down in water.

Based on weight and power

[bronze matrix]

Although I don't see a full apex being grabbed by a deino like a mid tier gets grabbed, I could see some mechanic that allows deino to just hold a swimming creature (not subaquatic) in place draining its stam and drowning it indirectly

[signal wyvern]

Not even gonna go into the fact that irl deinos bite force can crush Trex skull like a hydraulic press

[lilac bolt]

why is realism even a point being made its a video game?

[cyan flame]

Yes, that is with most of the critters in the game

[icy lion]

Relevant dev comments

[cyan flame]

Physics also says most things would get one shot by another thing, depending on where it hits

[cyan flame]

I imagine the strategy would be the whole pair of adults, plus bodyblocking until rex realizes "wait, I need stamina to keep swimming" and that might get it

[signal wyvern]

They want halfway realism, don’t want that go for POT. I’m not saying give us simulation just make gator great again.

Not much ask

Considering people don’t need to be in water just sayin

[cyan flame]

And you got halfway realism, you have a very powerful deino already

[signal wyvern]

It will fall from its throne shortly

[lilac bolt]

it needs changes sure but it doesn't need to be able to grab large apexs

[cyan flame]

Doesn't mean it isn't still powerful, look at stego, it's dethroned by trike in sheer power, but it's still a stego

[normal shuttle]

can you give me the study so I cna make sure you are not talking about that one where they upscaled a nile crocodile to calculate that? Being bigger wouldn't necessarily impli a vastly superior bite force.

And if anything, very quick swim speeds on terrestrials are what should be addressed if that's what you mean.

Deino is not a joke for anyone. It has 8k health and can deal 750 unmodified damage on headshots. That is not something you can steamroll with anything other than strains, and there is zero need to make it capable of predating adult rexes and trikes consistently, since anything smaller would then have a much tougher time and they are not as mobile as deino's current prey so even if they see the deino coming, they may not have a chance to escape

[signal wyvern]

Why not? They don’t need to swim across water bud.

[cyan flame]

For now, we don't know if that might change

[normal shuttle]

because it would be lame as all hell to lose a 8-9 ton animal that took you 7-8 hours to grow perfectly (rex diet system is hinted to be special) from one button press as your creature just flops around helplessly

[lilac bolt]

whats fun about getting one shot after growing something for 9+ hours?

deino being able to grab everything doesn't make it fun it doesn't add to its gameplay at all

[cyan flame]

@signal wyvernDo you need deino to be able to go after larger things than stego, or do you just want it?

[signal wyvern]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/277955352_Bite_marks_of_the_giant_crocodylian_Deinosuchus_on_Late_Cretaceous_Campanian_bones

see these holes in bones? Ya these sea turtles where giants back then so that’s not no 10k psi bite we are looking. At a lot more.

[signal wyvern]

Easy solution don’t swim.

There are bridges and safe crossing so this is crying when u can avoid it

[lilac bolt]

i just don't see how making an already strong dino stronger actually improves deino in any way

[signal wyvern]

They don’t need to make its bite one shot but just a tad bit stronger. And those teeth are quite strong, there’s no need for extremely resilient teeth unless you biting through massive amounts of bone and muscle.

[lilac bolt]

well yeah ofc?

[hollow flume]

What is your issue? That deino can grab heavy bois like stego only when they swim ?

[signal wyvern]

Exactly so, the ones that do swim that’s their fault. Deino should be able to yoink em even at 10tons, they can make it a hard battle by letting the big boi buck easily.

Trike has ungodly amount of stamina too btw

[cyan flame]

There's no bucking for deino grab as it stands, though they could add that I guess. But there's no need to, just ignore the swimming rex or trike, and go after the subs or other things.

[signal wyvern]

That’s lame reasoning tbh. You just sidelining croc like it can’t do anything to a Fg Trex or trike swimming when it indeed is quite capablez

[lilac bolt]

yeah irl not in the isle

[signal wyvern]

As much as I love Trex, that’s really stupid reasoning

[cyan flame]

Plenty of playables have to just avoid others, it's just how it works

Not sure why it shouldn't apply to deino, you're inevitably going to run into something you can't go after, be it spino, or shant, or a sauropod deciding to just stand in your waterhole

[signal wyvern]

Okay, don’t want to buff the current system or give croc any love sure.

Then alter it to let two crocs drag down a target or death roll like real lifez

[hollow flume]

What y'all should be talking about is the map lol. You could go all day on small details regarding certain dinosaurs. The real deal is most don't even make it far enough to talk about these issues. 100 players is no where near enough people for the map size.

[lilac bolt]

buffing deino doesn't fix deino it needs more then that

[signal wyvern]

Spino sure, any big land creature on land sure. Those are all comparable for sure.

[cyan flame]

I'm not opposed to buffing deino, I just apply the same sentiment to deino that is applied to stego, it's powerful, but not that powerful. It will yield to the actual apxes.

[signal wyvern]

Yes in their territory, not in the water tho that’s my belieft

[cyan flame]

Thing is, you're not all powerful, not even in your territory

Spino will make deino flee, shant is well, even larger, so even a swimming one is probably out of bounds

[signal wyvern]

Spino is joke tbh, even tho it’s cool it’s not particularly meant for big prey just look at its mouth and teeth.

[signal wyvern]

While they might have it comparable, spino irl wouldn’t mess with 8-10t croc it really hunted big fish.

[cyan flame]

Are you familiar with the isles spino?

Because ours is very much designed to go up against rex it would seem

[signal wyvern]

No not played legacy, but just speaking from a factual point.

[cyan flame]

And if it can do that, it's not going to be worried about deino

[icy lion]

We don't care about the real spino

[cyan flame]

Right, but our spino is not based on the irl one, but on jurassic park

And prog spino was a very tanky playable, so even that would not be a good matchup for deino

[signal wyvern]

That should really be a close fight if not a fight deino should win but they probably have bias towards spino.

[cyan flame]

Well, it's not a close fight from what it sounds like, deino is going to run away

[signal wyvern]

I like spino too, but it should be a close fight

[lilac bolt]

why?

[cyan flame]

According to the devs, it's not a close fight, deino isn't meant to be that powerful

How was it phrased, you're the strongest in the water, not the strongest thing around

[lilac bolt]

yeah

[signal wyvern]

You talking game wise or irl

[cyan flame]

Game wise, irl is utterly irrelevant

Things are not designed, or balanced, based on irl, as can be seen in multiple instances

[signal wyvern]

Well they can model it however they want. But if it’s any comparison to irl, they should be equivalent if not better chances for deino. Why because deino actually ate big prey.

[icy lion]

#isle-discussion message

[cyan flame]

But it's not relevant with irl, simple as that

[normal shuttle]

why? Deino is NOT MEANT to be hunting stuff much larger than itself if the main goal is to overpower and drown it. And it is also faster in the water

[signal wyvern]

Anyway y’all went to far from my original discussion of buffing croc with next apex Dino’s.

Clearly there is heavy biases here in work for spino and Trex or some hard feelings towards gator idk why but maybe can understand.

[cyan flame]

No, no there's not. You're just not understanding that things are not balanced based on IRL. In game deino is not real life deino.

[normal shuttle]

It is perfectly acceptable for deino, an apex, to specialize on smaller prey while still being very much an apex predator

[icy lion]

Deino's getting lots of improvements, pretty much a rework is in the pipeline. We don't know the exact details yet

[signal wyvern]

Real life crocs would no doubt drag or death roll bigger prey than itself so this is not a far ask.

[cyan flame]

The devs have decided that deino is not an "apex fighter"

[icy lion]

That said, deino is not meant to tussle with the actual apexes

[cyan flame]

It's an apex, but not one that fights other apexes, which is why it can take on stego but not the actual ones

Hence, buffing deino for the apex dinos would go against the design

[bronze matrix]

one thing that worries me tho is that the rivers are not that wide and when a spino meets a deino, deino can't just easily avoid it

[signal wyvern]

Well if the devs plans are to make gator obsolete. With what y’all are saying about spino, then nobody will play croc anymore.

[lilac bolt]

just avoid the spino

[signal wyvern]

Then seems like gator players will die out by design. Then maybe they will give gator attention when everyone lost hope already lol

[signal wyvern]

Easy ask

[normal shuttle]

again...we do not care about realism, so every single comparison to nature or the fossil record in balance discussions is meaningless

And as I've said above, how do you implement that? Do you think it would be fine for deino, this gigantic alligatorid, to drag things like a stego or an acro into the water?

If so, maybe you should consider that, as deino is right now, many creatures stego sized or above wouldn't be able to turn and run even if they have godlike reflexes, and thus you would be handicapping deino paradoxically, since everyone and their mother would always use the safest spots possible and deinos would be further forced to eat each other or capitalize on noobs

[signal wyvern]

Why you talking like you are the dev team lol

[cyan flame]

Oh I'm sure people still will, just like they play stego, it's not going to be obsolete, since it does things spino can't. Like the whole, lunge, grab, and drown, something it would seem spino does not do. Oh and of course, spino got big funny sail that might give it away, deino does not.

[normal shuttle]

Deino doesn't need to match a rex

just like how cera doesn't need to match stego although that is a bit more exaggerated

[signal wyvern]

That’s a whole different weigh class. Deino is not tho

[cyan flame]

I imagine that yes, if it does turn out no one, aside from what, a grand total of 5 people or so, end up playing stego or deino, when they got "better" alternatives, they might do something

[normal shuttle]

because I am telling you the design philosophy of the devs themselves.

They want the game to be a fair experience with all individual one on one matchups where you can either fight or flee and also everything has a role

[cyan flame]

But that remains to be seen if it ends up like that

[signal wyvern]

The game is not fair but whatever ur smoking pass it here

They literally are asymmetrical balance but say what u want if

[cyan flame]

Wouldn't that still count for balance though

[signal wyvern]

No game is not balance I and don’t want it to be

[cyan flame]

I imagine what Avaliant means with fair is all playables being viable, capable of surviving, and all that

[normal shuttle]

and that's where roles come into play. Deino is currently designed in a way that it would be extremely unfair even for people with godlike reflexes because they could lose their apex even if they see the croc coming, should it be a powerhouse capable of destroying adult stegos and larger apexes

That is not its intended role. Just like how a spino shouldn't be trying to hunt a trike even though spino will liekly be larger and heavier

[signal wyvern]

That’s why I like it the imbalance and uncertainty

[cyan flame]

So why are you then asking for deino to be "balanced" against matchups it isnt meant to take?

[signal wyvern]

But that’s not the case it’s not easy for any particular dino, easier for some not all.

[cyan flame]

It being easier or harder doesn't change if a playable is viable or not though

[signal wyvern]

Because it falls short when it shouldn’t.

[normal shuttle]

it is extremely fair through assymetrical balance. You cannot fight everything, but you can always run or avoid a lethal confrontation, and basically every matchup in this game is about that: you can either fight those faster than you, or you can outpace those you can't fight

[cyan flame]

According to what? It does exactly the job its intended to do, there's no falling short

[signal wyvern]

Literally cannot run if you are smaller but ok. U can hide

[signal wyvern]

According to u it does the job, wait till apex changes.

[cyan flame]

It won't change anything with apexes

[signal wyvern]

We will see the effects

[cyan flame]

You're still doing the same job, just as well as always

[normal shuttle]

yes, you can hide and they also get sanctuaries and many juveniles are nimble or even faster than adults regardless

[signal wyvern]

There a limited to no sanctuaries for water bois

[cyan flame]

A rex isn't going to do deinos job, at least not from the water, nor is trike, or spino

[signal wyvern]

Point is game is not balanced and that’s fine

[latent olive]

@bronze matrix nah that kind of venom effect isn’t really necessary

just give it some defence buffs against an envenomated target

[signal wyvern]

Game doesn’t need to be balanced just fun

Those that say a game needs to have balance to have fun are narrow minded

[normal shuttle]

because they don't really need to. Sure, they get walked down by adults and that's cringe and they should change it, but water is a three dimensional space with reduced brightness, muffled noise and logs around where you can hide

[signal wyvern]

The balance is in asymmetrical warfare

[bronze matrix]

tbh i don't like the idea of megalania being a brawler
i don't see it

[normal shuttle]

unfair deaths due to balance problems are not fun afaik

[signal wyvern]

Ya neither are cheats, neither is it fun to get chased down by an adult as a baby but that’s the balance bud

[cyan flame]

It is, just in a different way than you might normally think of it

[signal wyvern]

Small get eaten. No speed advantage just hides

[latent olive]

doesn’t need to be, just bite and run

it’s also getting a tailwhip which is inherently defensive in nature so there’s that

[signal wyvern]

No balance implies even or equivalence which in some cases yes but a lot no.

[bronze matrix]

oh i did not know that

[normal shuttle]

why are cheats even being brought up

[cyan flame]

I don't think anyone is arguing that juvie gameplay is perfect, there's been, and probably still are, issues with fun while growing due to the whole dead on sight, though sanctuaries and similar things are helping

[cyan flame]

Not at all, the game is balanced, for survival

[signal wyvern]

Cause they should really change this to server side auth already

[cyan flame]

Not for combat, but still balanced

[normal shuttle]

I should have specified that the game is 100% viable in everyone one on one for adults

[signal wyvern]

Why are there damage n speed hacks cause client authorization

[cyan flame]

The whole, being viable in a 1v1, not dead on sight, at least as adults, though juvies are here and there

[normal shuttle]

some juvis are super viable unironically, and honestly it's just a bunch of them that are kinda helpless like dibbles or maias

[signal wyvern]

Baby cera gets run down by everything

[normal shuttle]

but herras? pteras? gallis? beipis? stegos? they don't perform poorly precisely

[cyan flame]

Yep, some work, others less so, but juvie gameplay has always had its issues, due to well, being juvies, but they've at least tried to make it better

[bronze matrix]

but wouldn't it be more interesting to circle your target and try to find openings during the faints
than just a chase routine

[normal shuttle]

and you gain half of you weight WELL before 50% growth and don't even need to be in the open, and on top of that it is a proficient swimmer

[cyan flame]

But as adults, you're viable, or hopefully so at least

[normal shuttle]

at least juvis now are infinitely better than in legacy undeniably

[signal wyvern]

I dunno cera might be finicky when allo comes out

[bronze matrix]

also i don't see megalania outrunning much tbh (maybe it can outrun a dibble)

[normal shuttle]

swim

just swim or be aware of your surroundings with allo and also rex around

[latent olive]

it has an insanely low profile

meaning any bush or shrub could hide it

komodo dragons are also deceptively fast

[latent olive]

that kind of idealism is what drove the devs to make a septic bite for ceratosaurus that “prevents your target from wanting to fight with you over a corpse”

guess how its used today

[bronze matrix]

it wasn't the "idealism" but poor execution
there are alot of ideas out there on how to implement a septic bite without it being abused as a hunting tool

[bronze matrix]

haven't seen the HT map yet so I can't really say but I doubt a lizard that wide can't be overlooked when actively being chased

[latent olive]

it’s not that wide, but I can see what you mean

the new grass won’t hide it too well, but the jungle bushes would make it effectively invisible

bite a carnotaurus, slip into the jungle, and then he bleeds out while he’s chasing you and biting every bush and shrub in the area

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1301953696732549262/1302031247131938826/Megalania.png?ex=67f6ef97&is=67f59e17&hm=07bf3f8b2865f7390df616d9ed24e58922da2da6a163a19ae17c45fdb2fe312e&

although a concept art isn’t size scaled properly

[bronze matrix]

i don't see it being that good at hiding in the jungle either
I mean there are some tall bushes but the brush isn't that high either
and I know this bc i'm a troodon usually hunting at the northern jungle

[latent olive]

it’s roughly the height of a dryosaurus

[bronze matrix]

unless ofc they changed it in HT

[latent olive]

sadly, this is a “just have to see what it’s like” scenario way off in the future

[bronze matrix]

fair point but also even if the map provides hiding places
if you are that large of a lizard biting something and that something being that close to you when it notices you and you want to hide
i dont see it sorry

with something really small and nimble yeah but that large thing

idk

and then if the hiding does not work you basically have a chase with that something attacking you repeatedly

which turns into some tom and jerry routine

I just don't want it to be turned into a "sMalL gAme hunTeR" :(

[icy lion]

@wheat sedge #general-feedback-discussion message The devs are looking into mechanics to dissuade/punish mixpacking, but it will not be implemented as a rule for admins to handle on officials

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message LMAOOO

“meowmeows”

[icy lion]

@quartz meteor some releveant comments #isle-discussion message #isle-discussion message

[wheat sedge]

They could completely remove nesting until they figure something more viable. Its every run if I don't starve, just get curb stomped by 10 dinos as soon as I'm too big to hide. If it were a pack of raptors that's one thing, but when it's stegos, raptors, and ceras all in one that just isn't even fun anymore

[icy lion]

I'm a bit confused why nesting is part of this

[wheat sedge]

Fast spawn next to teammates, and they get extra mutations. Almost every group is mixed pack so I don't know what you're confused about.

[icy lion]

Removing nesting won't prevent mixpacking?

People were mixpacking before nesting even existed in evrima, or mutations

[normal shuttle]

people have been mixpacking since day 1

for real

[gentle rampart]

#general-feedback message

agreed, lower food % in pz, dramatically increase food % in mz

[normal shuttle]

when we only had shant, rex, austro, carno, galli and maia I think

[slim hazel]

Kinda wish Mia would use its headbutt instead of its front legs when you stand right click I feel like it would look so much better

[full vessel]

do you guys think we will get rex in skin creator befor it comes out :0

like with trike

[limber hull]

new slur dropped

[green token]

Can’t be the only one that hates the dino eye whites

[faint folio]

Yeah I hate it

I don't mind a little eye white (for examples of what I mean, look at dogs, horses, etc. when they're stressed or with certain breeds or when they hard side-eye you you usually can see a hint of eye whites in the corner of their eyes).

But for example the current Utah eye looks almost human and its incredibly immersion breaking once you notice it

[faint folio]

They're adding spawn codes afaik so nesting being removed won't fix spawning next to teammates. Non-mixpackers can nest for the extra mutations too, and it requires at least 2 dinos of the same species. I do hope they figure out a system to discourage mix packing though.

Honestly I would mind it being an official server rule, except they'd need WAY more admins because the response time is already pretty abysmal (no fault of the admins themselves; there's really just not enough admins to be able to monitor all official servers and enforce rule breaks all the time)

[wooden agate]

"we need more servers!"

adds more servers
"mann... these admins are so lazy for not being online to monitor 30 servers at once..."

the isle community will never be happy iceandi

not saying this is what YOURE saying, but it is something thats been repeated over and over again by a part of the community

[wheat sedge]

I understand that other people who don't mixpack also nest, but everyone that mixes packs uses nests to make it easier to get their sweaty group up. Removing that funtion until they can figure out someway to implement a species based team system will at leat make it more difficult for people to immediately meet up, form a team, and have extra mutations that spawned dinos don't have.

[urban flax]

Bro
You're 2 raptors against an adult maia
What were you expecting to achieve

[frank tapir]

you missed april fools by 8 days

[gentle flint]

Bleed resist mutation really not helping you rn

[urban flax]

Would you expect 2 lions to be able to kill a healthy adult elephant ? Because that's basically what you were trying to achieve

[frank tapir]

constantly, because it's the most common thing people nest as, and I can tell you with first hand experience most people suck at it

[gentle flint]

They’re 3.8 ish tons..

[limber hull]

how tf do you hunt a maia for 20 minutes as raptors and NOT kill it

[gentle flint]

Lmao

[limber hull]

"small brains"

can't kill a maia as two raptors after 20 minutes

goodness gracious

[gentle flint]

No need to get rude over baseless assumptions lmao

[limber hull]

i play raptor lol

it's one of my fave animals

im not the one who lost to a maia after 20 minutes then got mad at everyone else about it

[gentle flint]

Yeesh

[cyan flame]

@thorny cipherYou're going to get responses when you post public feedback, and other people are not going to play the same way or have the same experience or skill or anything else really. You can't argue that this one encounter is the only way the matchup goes, or can go. On top of that, maia is quite large, and if it should normally take two or three omnis for a teno, then it makes sense it'd take at least another two or three omnis for a maia, for a reasonable hunt. So you should probably count for at least four omnis, preferably five for a maia hunt.

[limber hull]

in the HT it got a great buff to its stam

[wooden agate]

you mean the animal that relies on large groups to hunt large game (massive game in this case compared to you two) struggles when not in large groups? shocking

'estimated' no, they are 3.8 tons in game. theres nothing to estimate about that

[acoustic spruce]

@frank tapir listen you ugly spider why would you downvote for the trike to get a vibrant color and an updated running animation?

Such a spider thing to do

[frank tapir]

because that running animation sucks

[limber hull]

it does lol

that running anim is so bad lmao

[normal shuttle]

@acoustic spruce looks like my dog walking unironically

Or any dog walking for that matter

And I am yet to see a dog breed that trots quickly like that and is 9 tons

So, my verdict of the objective existential truth is: ❌

/lh

@thorny cipher captain, what would be a good stamina regen for you? Just curious since that’s not really specific

[wooden agate]

whats sad is i got blocked for what i said above but i actually agree with him that raptor could use a slight stam regen buff

i just think its odd to go against a FG maia as 2 raptors and expect to win

[normal shuttle]

I just find it weird

When people use Raptor pounce as their main and sometimes only weapon

[wooden agate]

yknow what

unfortunately im one of those people

[limber hull]

omnis HT stam is honestly fine enough for me tbh

[wooden agate]

i havent tested the HT stam so idk whats going on with it over there other than what ive seen in patch notes

but ive heard you can stay on someone for close to 4 minutes if youre not LMBing or RMBing?

[limber hull]

basically yup

its insane for grappling

Troodon stam tho

[normal shuttle]

😔 unless you can kill them in one pounce, it's nonsensical to pounce someone

[limber hull]

Hella based

[normal shuttle]

also that's hysterical

4 minutes of slowing someone down and draining their stam if they move is insane

[thick summit]

Misinformation

Short pounces are insanely good

[wooden agate]

@glad sierra #general-feedback message while i disagree with the solutions you gave specifically, i do agree that there should be a mechanic in game that tries to stop it.

thankfully, the devs seem to be working on something to combat mixpacking/megapacking as mentioned in a devblog a while ago. its likely just not ready to talk about much yet.

(the reason i disagree with the solutions you gave specifically was because once you start altering stats, it can become very abuseable very quickly)

[junior nymph]

I agree

[glad sierra]

i hear that, no doubt its a hard one for the devs to tackle though i feel it is an important one

[wooden agate]

i agree, it does seem to be something thats starting to reach a boiling point for officials

usually my message to those people is 'play unofficials' and while that is still my main suggestion for right now, officials being ruined by mixpacking is a problem and to deny that would be delusion

[glad sierra]

yea its frustrating as officials are my preferred play. as someone that mostly enjoys solo play as its the biggest test of skill i find unofficial servers tend to mostly groups which makes hunting as solo impossible at times where as officials tent to have more solo players for a more rounded play. stuck between a rock and a hard place really

[normal shuttle]

@grizzled vector being forced to hear the furry pseudo roleplayers making cringe comments in regards to nesting or being pursued by people as they yell slurs at me (or insult others and verbally assault them after killing them or close to that) would be crazy

[wooden agate]

honestly im really worried for human prox chat because of this

[urban flax]

Thankfully humans will be really easy to kill so this'll solve that

[wooden agate]

very true

"oh. im a what?"

puts bullet in head

[grave iris]

troodon spawn in hordetesting got no food at all 😭

[frank tapir]

I wonder what it'll sound like for dinos when humans speak

[urban flax]

According to devs, radio static

[frank tapir]

sounds very... noticeable

[limber hull]

thats the idea

you can hear them but cant understand

as long as i can tell if they're screaming i'll be happy

[frank tapir]

I can't wait to listen them for a while before I kill them

[urban flax]

I wonder
It shouldn't be too hard to make it transmit the actual voice through, but garbled with static to the point of being unintelligible

Like a lot of found footage horror videos/games do

[normal shuttle]

Damn that guy in Spanish selling hacks

[wooden agate]

tbf its legacy which is already overrun with hacks (noobz even allows the night vision mod he shows and tells you HOW TO DOWNLOAD IT)

[normal shuttle]

What a coincidence that he has disabled comments, I was gonna not so politely tell him in my mother tongue that doing that isn’t okay

[wooden agate]

"snowmap isnt a hack sammy ur silly"

no but it is an exploit

[normal shuttle]

Well

[wooden agate]

i have gone mad hating on legacy

[normal shuttle]

You see, it is still bad to encourage that

[limber hull]

its totally a hack snow map is gross

[normal shuttle]

I left legacy behind. It is dead already

[limber hull]

legacy is dead to me because it got metagamed

[normal shuttle]

Legacy was alive to me for a short time a little before update 3 or 4 I think mostly because I struggled running evrima

But not both games are completely different

Legacy became- well…Just this carcass where so many hackers and such reside

Whereas evrima became a solid game that now had an actual map and roster!

[vernal jacinth]

@fluid flower
You can report that video to an admin directly I think

[fluid flower]

OK

Should I send this as a private message to an admin?

[vernal jacinth]

I would and just explain what you found and ask if they can report higher up if needed

[fluid flower]

Okay, thank you. I'll send it.

[vernal jacinth]

You’re welcome

[normal shuttle]

I am tired

Of the popular perception of herbivores

People should wake up

“I can’t eat them 🤓” but they will eat all of your food lil bro

[junior nymph]

lol

[normal shuttle]

It has happened to me already

And I think herbivores failing to keep their diets up when their food doesn’t run away and they know exactly where it is should be more punished than carnivores

Currently only galli gets an actual serious punishment and it is not even a herbivore strictly speaking

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message meta gaming🔥

[limber hull]

"it doesn't have any negative points and only adds positive points of the game"

[normal shuttle]

so true

I loved the days where I could 100% tell that I could afford one blow more and only be at 3% hp and keep pushing

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[normal shuttle]

me when I am rampantly biased

[wooden agate]

i think my main issue with the heart is it kinda removes player agency in a sense

you no longer have to decide how much is too much, you just hit tab rq and look at the %. theres more vaugeness to the heartbeat, which definitely sounds like a negative at first, but it encourages players to be a bit more careful in their fights because they dont know exactly how many hits they can take from their opponent, alongside still communicating your health decently well.

it removes a sense of immersion (of which EVRIMA is already lacking), and just provides a crutch

[woven bane]

really undermines the stakes

[wooden agate]

now what i would like is more distinctive blood screens, which i believe is planned anyway

theres no reason yellow should look almost identical to red when it comes to the blood screens

[pliant elm]

It's literally just a health indicator, what's the problem with that? Xd

[limber hull]

insane metagaming

it was removed for that very reason

[pliant elm]

What problems could this cause or has caused in Spiro?

[woeful latch]

the biteforce does the same thing tbh…

[normal shuttle]

not to the same extent as showing your exact hp at every moment

[limber hull]

And that’s a bad thing too

[woeful latch]

it’s really easy to do the math once you know how to use it

[woeful latch]

yes, but i would like some other system to check my health/bleed

i don’t like that i can see my exact blood either

[normal shuttle]

Mfw dodging and locational damage exist

!! SMH SMH CHEESY

[woeful latch]

😭😭😭

[gritty heart]

Just play stuff like beipi and troo. Then you have an easy 1 hp to keep track of

[limber hull]

well erm technically haha ur wrong because (and i cant believe i have to say this because it should be so obvious to ANYONE experienced with this game) troodon actually has 60HP and beipi 90HP, corrosponding with their respective weights as shown on the character profile screen

i'd expect this kind of blunder from a less experienced player but it's disappointing to come from you, sigh

[gritty heart]

The shame leaves me no choice but to play a game of sudoku

[woeful latch]

wild

[urban flax]

Troodon should have 120 hp again

[limber hull]

begone wrongling

[urban flax]

Ok but what if omni is changed to have 120 hp too

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[bronze matrix]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1359504539375501342 @normal shuttle
I agree with the first paragraph.

Seond one: No need to get rid of fruits. The devs could redesign it like that: Eating a bush with fruits gives a good amount of nutrients => when eaten, the fruits vanish so there is only the bush => eating the bush gives only moderate amount of nutrients.
You know like giving the plants different stages.

Third: Those debuff ideas are rookie numbers. I want to go back to the days when they first released diets. Like heavy growth debuffs, damage debuffs, and heavy debuffs on anything buffed by diets. Also I would apply that to every playable not just herbivores or apexes. Kinda miss these debuffs ...

also ontop of that the buffs gained from nutrients should cap out with way larger nutrient numbers
rn you get the max nutrient buff at around 30% or so
I would increase it to 60% and give an extra buff if you actually manage to keep all three nutrients above 80%

[normal shuttle]

I think you misinterpreted the second paragraph

What I mean is that, instead of making fruits things that you have to slowly pick one by one if you are something large, that you have an option to eat the whole plant with all the fruit that hasn’t fallen off yet

[bronze matrix]

oh my bad
yeah that works too

[icy lion]

@sonic tangle It'll be in hordetesting first

[sonic tangle]

Ok thank you

[rotund fractal]

#general-feedback message One of the best posts in a long time, I've been thinking about this too and it's more like cool to finally get some competition and wandering among Herbis into the game. It also helps you fight those mega herd mixpacks

[normal shuttle]

Lol

[rotund fractal]

Are the packing limits of groups actually adjustable by the server or does the game specify this? So there can be 3 Steggos in a group on the server where I play, and you can't invite more via 2 call

[normal shuttle]

Not yet

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message
Slow walk still makes regular footstep noises, crouching suppresses them

Tiny difference I know

[hollow flume]

Did dilo get fixed?

[gritty heart]

Depends on what you mean. Technically yes, but now it’s broken competitive sense

[potent solar]

how is that me a full 100% deino lost to a full stego, i bit him on the head 5 times! and he 5 times on my side.
and die....

[cyan flame]

Because stego does far more raw damage than deino does, though you were very close, one more hit and the stego would have died

[potent solar]

wheres the weak points? i bit him on the head goddamit

[cyan flame]

That is the weak point, stego takes 2x the damage on the head, while others take 1.5, you were doing 1K damage with every bite. Stego has 6K health, so you were close

[potent solar]

if i wait for server reset i get my croc?

[icy lion]

No, server reset doesn't restore dead dinos

[potent solar]

yes

[potent solar]

rip my lacost

[normal shuttle]

@compact sequoia giving pin to other carnivores besides Omni, troo and allo?

I sure would love to devolve every single carnivore fight into “if you are smaller, you lose”

[tardy talon]

@The Pale Emperor what omni abilities need nerf???

[normal shuttle]

I think he’s talking about pinning

Which is fair lol

[tardy talon]

yeah true but i think omni should be able to pin small things like herrera

[grave iris]

i love how someone would go "carno charge hits when its 10meters behind, pls fix" and people would downvote it

like huh? guess carno players like having easy fights

[thick summit]

what's weird is that when I play carno it doesn't connect some body hits even though it played the animation. But when I fight carnos they hit me through literal trees

[normal shuttle]

Or maybe it’s just that we acknowledge the existence of latency

You could also ask us before jumping into conjectures. Not like it offends me much or anything, but it can lead to a more rich discussion than assumptions

[normal shuttle]

When I play as carno I don’t like when it feels like I am doing damage when I charge at someone’s tail, but no hit seems to be overly egregious like it may look to others even with a bit of lag

I don’t like tail hits on a charge tbh

[thick summit]

yeah they suck

[grave iris]

if it would be bec of the fact they already aknowledge the issue then still why downvote it? seems rather odd and prolly isnt the reasoning

[faint folio]

In addition to what Erik said about deino damage and stego head multipliers and health (which is true), the base attack of stego tail jab does 1000 damage per body hit. But if the stego uses it's power-swing attack (which eats stamina like crazy) it does significantly more damage

[grave iris]

the issue isnt gonna disappear if you downvote it

[faint folio]

Does anyone here know the exact damage numbers of stego power swing?

[grave iris]

from what i remember 1200

to the head

[faint folio]

I thought it was a lot more

[grave iris]

nvm

[faint folio]

The basic attack does 1000 on the body

[grave iris]

scratch the "to the head"

[normal shuttle]

I know, and it won't get thrown into the bin either

[normal shuttle]

1700

I believe. 1200 aint possible because it can three shot deinos in the head

[faint folio]

Yeah I thought 1200 sounded low... 1700 on body shot (1.0 multiplier)?

The math does check out with what @potent solar was saying. With deino having a health of 8000 kg and stego having a power swing of 1700 it would be 5 hits-to-kill deino assuming solely body hits

Power swing uses something like 10% stamina per swing, right?

[grave iris]

oh mb mb

[grave iris]

this is for ALT LMB

[normal shuttle]

yes, 1700 on body shot with standing power swing

[faint folio]

Basically... Stego isn't something anyone should want to face tank

[vernal jacinth]

I never plan to do so. I like where my face is

[normal shuttle]

only trike so far (ceratopsian, worst matchup possible for something that specializes on only damage when your opponent has a shield on its face)

[heady geode]

With the power of gastro, you can temporarily trade your face for an entire 6 ton meat tray

On an unofficial server with combat mutation disabled, sure a different story

[grizzled lance]

So the hoardtesting for triceratops. Idk if night vision is bugged but it’s very bad. The food consumption is also awful. I mean it was a struggle to fill up at times. Bite a grape fruit gone. Makes sense but bite a big bush and it’s gone. That makes no sense. 2 bites on full grown now I believe. Unless it’s all intentional for testing purposes then disregard. Also noticed after a certain point stamina wouldn’t return when walking. Had to sit in order for it to replenish. The fluid deficiency or whatever it was called. Kinda clueless on that tbh. Had to perk with 20% slower but definitely seemed fast

Idk which one they intended to replicate for game but neck area seems like it’s more exposed then what I’d expect visual wise. And the back end seems like it needs a bit touched up. Looks saggy like fat layers. Idk if intended. I like it though minus night vision issue an food/water issue

[eternal moss]

@rain hemlock am i the only one thats noticed that a brown spot on ur tail perfectly lines up with the dirt road?

<@&933486433342222376> someone posted "deez nutz" in general feedback

[limber hull]

wtf are these multiples lol it's 1.5 for regular animals and 2 for stego what's with these exact decimals lmao

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"It is recommended to urgently fix the bug where the Omniraptor’s pounce attack causes a stun when colliding with trees"
Not a bug

"Currently, as a small carnivorous dinosaur, the Omniraptor already suffers from excessively fast stamina drain"
Not in the HT it doesn't.

"When hunting other dominant carnivores or herbivores, if opponents position themselves near trees or exploit terrain like rocks or rivers, the Omniraptor’s current mechanics make it nearly unplayable"
It's a plains creature, it's not exploiting if its being used as it was intended. Also bucking is generally an extremely bad answer so removing trees and rocks and forcing bucking would make raptor fights insufferable.

"We hope these issues can be addressed"
Who is this we lol

[icy lion]

also

hold rmb and tap a or d when pouncing

problem(s) solved

[limber hull]

that too

[gritty heart]

300th Omni buff post of the day

[latent olive]

im on the verge of calling this AI

[limber hull]

it feels like it but more like a very formal Venom with an omniraptor bias

[thorny cipher]

Bro lives in this chat room lmfao

[limber hull]

i just got pinged brother lmao

[woeful latch]

“it is recommended” 😭😭😭

recommend by who bro??

[limber hull]

the unseen council

[thick summit]

#general-feedback message @austere widget I think I know what you mean

They shouldn't be straight up removed

But they should receive another nerf

They should provide some food so you can make it to the nearby migration zone

[limber hull]

I think the best way to actually deal with patrol zones is have them spawn away from the player, not on top of them. When a patrol zone spawns, it spawns in a position that is a considerable distance away from wherever the player is. That way you can't just force them to spawn and solely survive on them

[thick summit]

They should spawn between migration zones

[limber hull]

Eh

They can be adjacent to them imho

[thick summit]

Hm true

[limber hull]

Like have them be PATROL zones. If they spawn far away from you, and they have less food like they do now, you'll have to constantly patrol to get value out of them