general-feedback-discussion

[normal shuttle]

And you can turn with your gargantuan hitbox too

[wooden agate]

also does anyone here have discord nitro and can send a suggestion for me lol

[woven bane]

if the distance required for knockdowns took weight into account i genuinely believe that carno would be peak

[desert arch]

You have to travel 6000cm to stun/knock down while charging

[normal shuttle]

Either way that’s a free kill at that point if you land it, of course it should be hard

[wooden agate]

TRUE

[sweet anchor]

I just don't get it, you're running at the same speed for almost the entirety of those 5s, seems arbitrary to make it stun then

[normal shuttle]

To prevent people from just tapping charge and knocking an adult dilo to the ground after 0.5 seconds of running

It’s a damn knockdown. You’re getting a free kill with that

[sweet anchor]

Surely there can be a happy medium between 0.5s and 5s

[normal shuttle]

4-5s is totally fine

[sweet anchor]

I think the gali and dilo you mentioned can just run perpendicular to the carno and avoid it, is it meant as an ambush attack?

[normal shuttle]

You still do damage and run faster than a galli

[desert arch]

Not even omnis can dodge a carno reliably if it knows how to drift

[normal shuttle]

They literally can’t just run perpendicular, especially galli and dilo

With enough distance the carno can just turn and (mostly in the case of dilo) it is too long to avoid it reliably

You can only really dodge them consistently with dryo or omni in the open

Troodon too ig

[wooden agate]

troodon unfortunately suffers to the latency curse of pouncers

[normal shuttle]

I’m telling you, there’s no escape from carno in the open if you are small game. It is so good at its job

[wooden agate]

even when not pouncing

[normal shuttle]

Real

[normal shuttle]

And this is much better than automatic knockdown/stun charge 2 ton carno who can also kill tenos on 5-6 bites like in update 2 😭

[wooden agate]

i think flows suggestion about it taking weight into account is probably for the best

[normal shuttle]

Carno should NOT be the apex, like ever.

[normal shuttle]

I would like that

[thick summit]

Downvoting a visual change is crazy

[wooden agate]

3-4 seconds for omnis, 5 for dilos, 1-2 for things a bit smaller than omni, and insta knock for things like dryo/herrera/etc. have carno get more effecient with its ram the smaller the target is

[sweet anchor]

Has a higher calling to be apex than cerato at least imo, isn't he basically a vulture of the dino world?

[wooden agate]

yeh cerato is our little corpse bully

haha. corpse bully

as if hes not currently just bully

[normal shuttle]

Not at all. Cera is like a giant hyena but if the hyena was larger than the hunter and had a nearly Komodo dragon bite

[sweet anchor]

And I'm unlikely to suggest nerfing any carnies considering how unkillable the strongest herbis are

[woeful latch]

i’m carno on HT server right meow, and it seems like they made it faster than it was before in juvie-sub stage.

[normal shuttle]

Good change

[woeful latch]

also they changed the footsteps sound

[wooden agate]

iirc don mentioned alot of juvies/subs were getting some speed adjustments to account for speedy juvie rexes

[desert arch]

450kg carnos normal sprint is slower than 46.8kmh, how fast were u at that size?

[normal shuttle]

Awesome. Yeah that juvi rex was so if we still kept something like 40 kph sub carno

[desert arch]

I DEMAND NUMBERS

[woeful latch]

yeah, sub dibble being fast is awesome, i hate silly slow potatos

[desert arch]

"Silly slow potatos" bro be out here personally insulting me atp

[woeful latch]

i logged :(

[desert arch]

😭

[woeful latch]

AHAHAHAH SORRY AHAHAHA

[woeful latch]

i’ll let you know the numbers when i log back in!

[desert arch]

Yippie

[woeful latch]

i’m growing this carno to kill HT rexes

[normal shuttle]

Just wait until Rex and Allo release

Problem solved with the herbis

[woeful latch]

and maybe even baby trikes

[wooden agate]

i like speedy rex ONLY because i learned about Jane's speed estimates when i was like 10 and the thought of a Juvie rex going that fast made me cry out of fear

[woeful latch]

tho killing potatos should be a war crime tbh

[normal shuttle]

I personally like it because juvenile rex was so trash and I always loved the idea of the heavier adults using their juveniles as some hunting vanguard even if it is not really accurate

As in both cooperating and doing some legal mixpacking

[wooden agate]

fresh spawn juvie rex was rough but full juvie rex was a beaaaast

pretty speedy, decent stam, okay health. you could seriously mess up some small tiers with it

nothing like juvie cerato though. allo killer.

[normal shuttle]

36 kph isn’t really that impressive

For a 1000kg apex juvi

Juvenile cera on the other hand

[woeful latch]

i like ceras being slow, ceras should not be faster than 40km/h imo

doesn’t matter if juvie/sub or adult

[normal shuttle]

Considering that they get double health when close to a body and can pack a punch with charged bite and bacteria, I am fine with them being slower than average

[woeful latch]

yeah.

[woven bane]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[desert arch]

Chill man, just go with the flow

[woeful latch]

yeah

[limber hull]

honestly, cera being slower than 40km/hr would be fine if it weren't almost guaranteed allo will be faster than that lol

[woeful latch]

who said that? allo will 100% be slower

[limber hull]

you'd think that

[woeful latch]

i know that.

[limber hull]

this is allo we're talking about

[wooden agate]

i cant remember if its allo or rex thats slightly faster than diablo

[limber hull]

murder sprint might make rex faster than dibble but i doubt that's the baseline for it

[woven bane]

ask yourself the same question, who said that allo will be 100% slower?

[woeful latch]

i expect allo to be faster than the dibble tbh.

[night obsidian]

#general-feedback message this... Read this guy's

[desert arch]

Rex, but probably both 🙂

[woeful latch]

because it being faster doesn’t make any sense

[woven bane]

apparently trike is faster than stego

[normal shuttle]

What

[woeful latch]

it won’t be

[woven bane]

and maia is faster than a raptor, nothing makes sense

[woeful latch]

maybe sub?

[woeful latch]

maia was faster than utah even in legacy, it was obvious it would be faster

that’s whole maias thing

[desert arch]

According to the datamined game files its 28kmh 💀

[normal shuttle]

Raptor shouldn’t even be very fast or super agile

[woeful latch]

i see how sub trike can be faster than the stego, but fg? doubt that

[normal shuttle]

Give cc to adult trike and I will begin the canni and also stego massacre

[woeful latch]

sounds like a placeholder, there’s a lot of wild stuff in game files

[woven bane]

dilo is faster than omni, was quite surprising for a lot of people.
allo being faster is possible

[woeful latch]

it’s not

how do you imagine balance work if allo is faster than teno and cera?

[limber hull]

it is

atm, trike is faster. that might change with HT, but it is what it is atm

[woven bane]

i don’t, just saying that it is a possibility

[woeful latch]

idk what game are you playing but trike is not even in evrima atm

[normal shuttle]

Allo will only be faster if it gets an ambush mechanic. Otherwise tenos be damned

[desert arch]

Deserved

[woven bane]

pretty sure it ain’t getting that

[woeful latch]

ahh it’s not, dw about that. maybe only if it will get murder sprint, but regular sprint being that fast is impossible

[normal shuttle]

Counterpoint: yo mama

Allo is getting an ambush because it is a normie vanilla dinosaur

[woeful latch]

wow wow, chill out mr

[normal shuttle]

Everyone’s favorite poster boy

[woven bane]

my argument has been dismantled…

[woeful latch]

we don’t like that kind of stuff in this chat.

[normal shuttle]

They’re all like “ooohoho I love the allosaurus, it’s so unique and cool and awesome!!”

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

(Albertosaurus gang)

[woeful latch]

so it’s a crime to love allo, because many people do? i guess you should stop drinking water to be more unique

[normal shuttle]

(Well no, sucho)

[woeful latch]

or breathing air

[sweet anchor]

I want my spino even if he is also a normie dino :(

[limber hull]

well, it technically is. Just disabled. It's by all metrics, in the game, with all the stats shown in files

[woeful latch]

placeholder, everything is subject to change

[sweet anchor]

My favorite dino must post in anonymous forums and have arms too short to touch grass

[normal shuttle]

Spino is not. It’s cool and unique because it beat the twrecks in my favorite movie ever, Jurassic Park 3

[woeful latch]

or they will keep that and make stego faster, but trike will never be faster than the stego.

[desert arch]

Velo > every other dino, accept it

[woeful latch]

only if feathered.

[limber hull]

you say that but it very much might be faster

[woeful latch]

it won’t be

[normal shuttle]

Or they will make pterodactylus a playable

[woeful latch]

if you make it faster, trikes will just hunt stegos easily, which is unacceptable

[sweet anchor]

The 2 flying players will appreciate it

[desert arch]

Even if the adults wont be faster, sub trike will be a menace, it was shown being 32kmh in a recent Dondi stream 💀

[limber hull]

i'm not going to be so certain.

[normal shuttle]

Counterpoint: swim speed

1 kph vs 0.86 kph

[woeful latch]

👹👹👹

[sweet anchor]

the deino appreciated that very fat lunch

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-cheesy-gif-19257011

[woeful latch]

yeah that’s me

[limber hull]

trike is actually quite a good swimmer lmao

[woeful latch]

they call me cheesy, because i puke 324 times to get 300% diet

[desert arch]

Cheesy being an irl cerato!?

[normal shuttle]

My deino hunt in water access will be more fruitful than with stego then?

I always remain standing still inside the bushes at night or while it reins near that little shore near the mud where deinos often rest, and they don’t see me as a stego and I have ambushed 2 adult deinos like that

[sweet anchor]

I puke to stave away the feelings of inadequancy

[woeful latch]

no, i’m getting bitten by cerato ahahah

[normal shuttle]

I am tenontosaurus irl

[woeful latch]

I am tenontosaurus irl

[sweet anchor]

beeg tail

[tender thorn]

How can I build a nest as a carnotaurus? Because I have a pair and an egg, but I can't make a nest.

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-tenontosaurus-kaperoo-gif-25049615

[frank tapir]

check settings

have you courted?

[thick summit]

I am Diabloceratops

And I'll 1v1 my overgrown cousin

[tender thorn]

about what

[sweet anchor]

I dunno what do you 2 like?

[tender thorn]

i have pair and egs, I can't build nest

[thick summit]

Anyway

[frank tapir]

you need to court

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message this palette makes me feel nothing

Imagine looking at that cardboard color lizard and gasping in awe

[sweet anchor]

there's a button where you 2 "court"

[thick summit]

People actually agree with me

[frank tapir]

look at your controls in settings

[tender thorn]

Build - B

[desert arch]

Use N to place the nest

[normal shuttle]

I don’t, too op

[desert arch]

Then collect sticks by smelling them

[thick summit]

Yeah

[desert arch]

Bring those to the nest, and then lay the eggs and finally bring more stick to keep the nest warm

[thick summit]

Visually upsizing Carno is op af

Please nerf carno

[normal shuttle]

Yeah, would make me cower in fear if I were a new player

Wouldn’t be able to play this game

[frank tapir]

they haven't courted yet though

it's normally c right?

[desert arch]

N

[frank tapir]

ah ok

[normal shuttle]

Imagine free cosmetics

If you go to human facilities

Like maybe getting a nose piercing for a dinosaur

Now jokes aside

I would like achievement based, totally free cosmetics

That don’t make this look like Fortnite while still having cool stuff unlike Mid of Titans

[sweet anchor]

thanos trex skin when

lore wise he can't snap his fingers because his hands are too small

[wintry cipher]

This is just a guess but i would like to think that achievement based cosmetics are going to be a thing given how small some dinos skin color options are.

[young arch]

<@&933486433342222376>

[gentle flint]

He’s just everywhere lmao

[desert arch]

@wooden mulch You can press G to drop anything thats on your horn

[wooden mulch]

I know!

But this Dryo just walked in, I couldnt see it and he got stuck unnoticed!

I walked in, and couldnt attack anymore...

Why shouldnt it be possible to attack anymore, because sth. is in you horns!
Makes no sense...

[unreal ridge]

I want to be genuinely grossed out and horrified by the carnage in the game

Specifically from a human perspective

I want to be able to hear a poor creature getting ripped apart and dismembered and just having to hide in a bathroom with a gun

Terrified.

Damn I forgot another thing

MORE IMPACT THUDS
If I get hit by a Maia, Diablo, pachy, carno, etc anything with a shove, charge, ram or something that uses weight, I want to be hit with a thud like I just got hit with a ford F-150

I feel like this additions plus adaptive scarring/wounds really should put into perspective how dangerous even a single attack can be

[normal shuttle]

@wooden mulch literally just press G, problem solved

[wooden mulch]

[normal shuttle]

yeah dude

you can drop them at will

now you know, and knowing is half of the battle

[tame jetty]

What do you mean with your feedback @rose needle #general-feedback message

[urban flax]

I was wondering the same thing

[mild isle]

Rex isn’t even in evrima yet

[limber hull]

is he talking to rex-solos?

[mild isle]

I think so ?

[limber hull]

even then it doesn't really make sense what his point is

[mild isle]

Maybe that it would be hard to implement or smth?

[limber hull]

most of those things aren't code-based tho is the weird thing

they're more based around sound and visual design

specifically sound

[mild isle]

I guess we’ll never know, I think they just dropped that feedback and left forever 😭

[limber hull]

LMAO

[mild isle]

#general-feedback message Pretty positive they have an ecosystem planned for the ocean- I don’t want them to add salt water fish before other aquatics like spino, bary, etc. though

[golden horizon]

Bro was high

[mild isle]

Kinda what I thought LOL

@rare patio I believe there’s an admin role you can ping in their respective server channels

Also I don’t think The Isle really has a spot for server suggestions

[rare patio]

There is but like there's no designated place to really put it, and all the chats are always SO FULL, by the time the admins see what it is from all the scrolling, especially if there's multiple, like it's gotta be a pain in the ass lmao.

[icy lion]

Discord has an inbox where you can view pings

[mild isle]

I would be for the AI thing if AI wasn’t known to be inaccurate at times- maybe take the AI suggestion but instead of AI doing the bans it just sends the footage to real people?

[rare patio]

I honestly forgot about that feature lmao

That would actually be cool, because I know I don't always press f2 when I log in and sometimes a blinking cerato attacks me and like i know latency is a thing, but magically teleporting as I'm about to hit, to them behind me magically and biting me seems pretty sus xD. So I think that would be helpful.

[torn river]

#general-feedback message

I think you meant photo tissue? @quick wing

Aka the same thing as nocturnal but for day

[strange wave]

@terse portal its probably better to make a bug report in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 than putting it in feedback

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message How dare I not agree with the feedback? Surely I must be a cera main

[quick wing]

yes

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message it's not weak at all, if you know what you're doing you can abosulutely demolish with this animal. A decent maia can 1v1 anything smaller than a teno, and it's also meant to be played in a herd considering it's pack size is 10.

[normal shuttle]

@old oasis I agree maia needs a buff, but it is far more competent than most casuals give it credit for

maia in the hordetest was a tyrant

also that is not specific at all

[hidden mist]

It just needs stance switch bug fixed tbh :( It can't switch stances if it makes any sounds, like chat calls or hurt groans. With it being fixed, the fights with Maia would become much more dynamic and more coherent for it.

[normal shuttle]

what needs buffing? All I know is that the premise is terrible unless we are talking about dilo packs or getting snatched by a deino

[normal shuttle]

of course, that needs fixing

And then maybe increase he stance switching speed and also the damage or speed of some attacks like those in the quad stance

with that maia would be a solid dinosaur

[hidden mist]

I'd prefer end lag reducing. Like those side kicks in quad, you need to fully return to T-pose to continue making any actions lmao. Looks weird and uncomfy in general.

[golden horizon]

Maia don't need a damage buff, it has a an attack that does 350 dmg that stuns/knockdown and is only has 1.5 sec cooldown

[hidden mist]

Damage is fine I think. Maia should run from bigger slower things, but should be able to defend itself from something small and fast in quad stance. And it can 2 shot raptor already, which is fine imho. People just don't 2 shot raptors, because uh animal is currently too clumsy to control.

[golden horizon]

It can do 180 slides, if it switches stance midslide from bipedal to quad

[hidden mist]

Yep, that too.

[golden horizon]

The issue is people waste all their stam missing all their "high value" attacks

You gotta hit every shove, kick and stomp

[hidden mist]

That's why 1st.

[hidden mist]

And 2nd xd

[golden horizon]

You can also almost gurrentee to hit your shove by starting in quad and right before you shove, you switch to quad and use your shove

If you buff maia, it will just make it more oppressive towards things that can't run away from it

Some people play maia like carnivors

[hidden mist]

Depends on the buff. QoL things won't do harm.

But buffing damage/stamina costs probably will.

[golden horizon]

One thing i could agree with is, they should make it more clear what stance you are in, cause midfight when you're taking damage and stuff, it's kinda hard to tell

[hidden mist]

Indicator near the stamina + being able to switch stances if making sounds (because right now it can't for whatever reason lol).

[golden horizon]

I didnt even know that, but should fix that and make it be able to switch stance even when taking damage

[hidden mist]

It can switch stances when taking damage iirc, as I tested on HT (raptor was pouncing me, and I could switch). It's just that it can't switch whenever it opens its mouth (hurt sounds/chat calls).

But probably it's both, and raptor's pounce is just an exception. Honestly these 2 things just should be fixed regardless.

[golden horizon]

That's fair, I just don't think they should touch maia's damage numbers, since it has both weak and strong attacks, and having those weak attacks cost no stam, while the strong attacks do is perfectly balanced imo.

[hidden mist]

Same x)

[normal shuttle]

Maia gang

If anything I would touch speed of some attacks or reducing their delay and then obviously the stance switching thing to be far less clunky

And with that Maia would be much better

@golden bane what do you even intend to do with that?? Kill one of the two troodon players in the server?

Also doesn’t fit ptera at all to do that

[golden bane]

Idk, it will just be crazy XD

[golden bane]

Ya it does, ptera could do that in the prehistory

[normal shuttle]

What???

Source? Ptera was like a giant seagull and that’s about it 💀 💀

[golden bane]

Not sure if ptera, but there were a flyer little bit smaller that could do it to hunt

[normal shuttle]

Yeah, let’s just give pounce to ptera even though it won’t be able to be used on basically anything with actual results and doesn’t fit ptera’s niche at all

[normal shuttle]

No, literally no pterosaur we know of was suggested to latch on the back of something bigger to start pecking it with hostile intentions

[golden bane]

It would be cool, i dont care if it eould be useless XD

[normal shuttle]

Because pterosaur morphology doesn’t allow that and also they’re WAY too light and fragile to do something that stupid

[golden bane]

Erm, actually yes

[normal shuttle]

Devs wont spend tens of hours coding and programming a feature that is useless

[golden bane]

I said i think was another flyer, not ptera

[normal shuttle]

Can you give me the actual source that is also an academic article and not a random website?

[golden bane]

If they does a different flyer, they wouldnt be wasting time on smthng useless, that flyer may could bite dino,s neck and make him bleed rlly bad

[normal shuttle]

No pterosaur would ever cause severe bleeding to larger prey lmao

Have you ever seen a bunch of storks or seagulls attacking a larger animal to take it down?

Planned playables are pteranodon, which is in game and is meant to be a fisher and scavenger, and then quetz which is already going to be a fully fledged hunter of things that are about its size if not just slightly bigger in terms of mass but not volume

That’s it. We don’t need a troodon with with wings that straight up works worse than the actual troodon

Stop trying to turn ptera into an eagle or some rabid big game hunter

I hate JP3 and JW for this

[golden bane]

I dont think so, all of these could easily make someone bleeds worse than by an omni

[spice wagon]

some sort of mechanic that make those dinos more enjoyable to play.

climbing at some big herbivore's back as ptera/hypsi and chilling, burrows, nesting inside of trees, things like that

nothing complex

just ANYTHING rather than walk and die as a really small dinosaur that is weak and cmon, its not that fast to grow

[golden bane]

Hehe i fixed it growing a dilo, is nice, can defend itself easily, and grow doesnt take so much time, if u really enjoy the game, will grow quickly in your mind

[spice wagon]

yea but what abt the really small ones

there are some people that like playing as dryo (since legacy)

and its just a bot

[spice wagon]

and what am i gonna do if its not abt mindset but abt TIME?

[golden bane]

They can defend its self by their own way, troodo is freaking difficult to kill bcs pf his speed, dryo will be able to hude in burrows, hypsi can shoot food to the enemy to scape easily, everyone have a way to scape at their own way

[golden bane]

I have no time too, i just join the game to be 10 minutes afk, hunt a dear and est it, and then just log till the next day, that untill i got time to play the game

[spice wagon]

the small dinosaurs are minority in the game, since that is a fact, why not give them something different that can make them fun? its not abt defending itself, its abt playing

something cool

they're small, its not like its gonna kill the game or something

[icy lion]

Dryo is planned to get burrowing, hypsi will be able to climb, and ptera is in the midst of a rework to improve both its flight and its options on the ground

[golden bane]

True, but we all know how slow devs works (i,m not critiquing anyone, i love the work devs did, pls no ban lol), they adds a lot of cools things, but in a year lol, i think they should add dinos till the game is fun for itself, and then, upgrade dinos worses than others, so everything is balanced, and the game can be a top 10 bests of the world lol

[urban flax]

These are all fishers

[golden bane]

But they could make someone bleed easily with that teeths

[urban flax]

Irl ? No, they would require being able to open their mouths wide enough to cause actual damage
Which they weren't, because they're tiny

[golden bane]

Tiny? One of them is practically as big as ptera, so i think it could easily bite lots of thingss necks, so the bleed would be ever worse than the bleed an omni cause

[urban flax]

That's not a pounce
Also bites almost never deal wounds as bleeding as claws do

We just don't need something that is both a flyer (therefore invulnerable to every threat unless it decides to get into a fight) and also capable of punching up

That's a recipe for disaster

Just like ptera was, back when it released and it could kill deinos and stegos

[golden bane]

They would need pounce on the dino to let him bite his neck, also, a flyer with bigs enough teeths, could make someone bleed, and i dont say that teeths would make a bleed worse than the omni one, i mean that a bite in neck with that teeths, would make him bleed worse than by a omni, omni cant damage someone on his neck, if a flyer could, his bleed would be better

[urban flax]

But that's a terrible idea

Ptera used to do bleed
There's a reason why it no longer does

[golden bane]

#general-feedback message for if u dont know, the isle os a surviving game, not like PoT where u need to do tasks to grow

[golden bane]

But i mean, a fully different flyer, not ptera, ptera is fine actually, but imagine a new flyer that could do that, little bit smaller, faster, but with low stam flr example

[mild isle]

It’s not tasks to grow lol
It’s for different colorings

Not doing the said side quests for a bit of extra customizations won’t affect your Dino at all
Btw there’s already side quests like my examples except for mutations so why not for customization?

[golden bane]

The low stam would sucks a lot but it is just a quickly idea just to balance it*

[golden bane]

I understood it, i said grow like an example, but still like i said, this game is serious, a survivimg game, if u wanna farm for smthng, go PoT, or Day of dragons, they has what u want, but not the isle, this game isnt about unlocking things, idk what more do u need, its just a surviving gane, not a farming game

[urban flax]

Horrible

Still a flyer

[mild isle]

The Isle already has unlocking

[golden bane]

In muts, but its different genius

[normal shuttle]

....do you actually believe that? That it is more dangerous to have a rhamphorhynchus denting your skin than a polar bear sized dinosaur mauling you?

💀

[golden bane]

Hmm yes? Lit every dino could run away easily from a bear, and if its sized dinosaur just make it stronger, but not faster, so that idea sucks, and a rampho could jump on u and u couldnt do nothing, just hope his stamina ends

[normal shuttle]

even tropeo could hardly pose any threat to anything of its size, because bite force, the angle to which you can open your jaw and their durability matters

[mild isle]

A bit different, but still similar enough to not make a difference-
I don’t want nor expect an entire screen in customization showing what is locked and how to get it- but just to be able to do things to get an extra color like you can do random things to get a new mutation

I don’t see it being harmful to any gameplay or ruining the vibe of The Isle

[normal shuttle]

what does that first line have to do with anything? I am talking about the absurd of thinking that a 2 kilogram paper plane being more capable of severely bleeding someone when compared to an animal built like an omniraptor

[golden bane]

Herrera can scape from omni climbing, he couldnt scape from a rampho uf he doesnt lose all stam, its an awesome idea

[normal shuttle]

I am lost

[mild isle]

Omni would def do more damage with its claws compared to trope or any flying fisher- they are best for fishing, not killing things like omni

[normal shuttle]

what are you even talking about?

a rhampho wouldn't do anything to a herrera unless you made it totally stupid

[golden bane]

But i mean that the flyer could bite the necks rival, then it could do a lot of worse damages

[normal shuttle]

it is the size of a pterodactylus

you know, smaller than most fresh spawns

[golden bane]

Bro just bite herrera in the neck and hes out

[normal shuttle]

IT CANT

[golden bane]

Why?

[mild isle]

That’s unrealistic
The flyer is just going to get thrown aside more times than not

[normal shuttle]

bruh, you need first to have enough bite force, teeth long and durable enough and enough width opening your jaws to do that

Piscivore pterosaurs have NONE of that

let alone a 2 kg rat

[mild isle]

Flyers don’t have the grip or bite strength to do a lethal kill on something like a herrea

[golden bane]

Thats balancing about, if he gets a bite, it would be critical for the enemy, but also ramñho could fall easily from the dino

[normal shuttle]

dude

[mild isle]

It wouldn’t ever be critical though

[normal shuttle]

educate yourself

[golden bane]

No, but a flyer with big teeths could make enemy bleeds in the neck, and its not a critical bite, just a critical spot

[normal shuttle]

yeah man, this thing would absolutely pose any threat to a 175kg theropod dinosaur

Any of these would be an effective hunter in the isle by pouncing its enemy (note the sarcasm)

[golden bane]

Lit the neck is lne of the worst spots to bleed, u lose bleed rlly quick there, so it could be critical if the enemy doesnt survive the bleed

[golden bane]

I said rampho as an example, i disnt send a photo of a rampho, i know how small it is, i sended a photo of biggers flyers, i,m not as dumb as u think

Lol

[normal shuttle]

1. Teeth is already plural of tooth 🤓

2. no their teeth aren't really that big other than relative to their size, and even then you still need the bite force to do anything meaningful

3. Balance, balance and more balance. Does it sound like good game design to have basically a winged pouncer when omni, troodon and allo exist in this game? Just another troodon but worse at its job.

[normal shuttle]

tropeo is still a bad idea. Not only you would be needlessly butchering the idea of the pterosaur since you would be turning the larger ptera that has been known to be a fisher into a pouncer, but also it would also be yet again a worse troodon or omni

7000 dollars down the drain

[mild isle]

The neck is a sensitive spot, yes- but I don’t see one flyer being able to gain the positioning to do such a bite? Or it even having the need/want to? Why would a primary piscivore decide to attempt to bite a way bigger carnivores neck rather than just fly away and eat what it evolved to kill best (fish)?

[mild isle]

Essentially a flying Troo lol

[normal shuttle]

yes

but worse since no trotting to be stamina efficient

and no venom either, or good night vision

[golden bane]

I think its more than enough to be better than omni

[mild isle]

Doesn’t Quetz fight primarily with its beak? I’m not sure it has the capability to bite a neck and do damage before getting- ragdolled.

[normal shuttle]

Lmao

literally about troodon weight

[normal shuttle]

it is meant to be the flying land hunter, but that thing is never gonna target anything above dilo size for sure

I have no doubt

[golden bane]

Even that is enough to be better than omni, look that mouth, it would kill dilo in a second, and i think omni alone cant do that

[normal shuttle]

and dilo is pushing it because quetz was 250kg irl

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-gif-26282297

how old are you

[golden bane]

19 why?

[normal shuttle]

I don't believe it

[golden bane]

Ok?

[normal shuttle]

or you might be so deeply misinformed about how nature works

[mild isle]

Btw trope and other flyers have to be light weight in order to fly- height/width does not equal weight

[normal shuttle]

how biomechanics work

[golden bane]

Surprise me

I,ll be studying while u,re writting me a book

[mild isle]

What?

[normal shuttle]

do you know how lightweight pterosaurs have to be in order to fly and with less chest muscle than birds? a pterosaur of that size would be like 50-70kg, literally about troodon size, and it does not have the muscle or enough space in the jaws to accomodate the morphology of a predator that can eat anything too big to swallow. JUST LOOK, USE YOUR EYES, do you see any structures in the lower jaw to keep a good amount of muscle, or the capacity to considerably open its jaw?

There's a reason as for why these things targeted only or mostly stuff that they could swallow whole, there's no way they would ever do anything to anything dryo sized or above

teeth aren't all that matters, and even then those aren't even that big of a deal. Cerato's are so much larger and look how that doesn't translate in the game at all

we're getting quetz already, no need to remain set in the idea that we should get a less practical troodon that would cost thousands of dollars to develop

[mild isle]

Save money by just taking troodon model and letting it fly /j

[normal shuttle]

real

[golden bane]

Litterally trapeognatus would kill dryo in no more than 19 secs, it doesnt require of strenth to kill a dryo sized creature, litterally one of trapeognatus tooths, would feel like a sword in a as small cresture

[gritty heart]

Speaking of quetza, it’s an even better example of how light they are, being about the weight of stuff like tigers Iirc.

[gritty heart]

19 seconds is a fairly long time of constant attacking, and if it’s not constant it’s hard for the time to mean much

[golden bane]

Uh no? Quetza can litterally grab a omni, its like 5 times its size

[normal shuttle]

dryo is 130 kilograms, dryo could just run while this thing tries to bite at its body and maybe causing minimal bleed by piercing the skin

[golden bane]

10 secs* it happens when i write fast

[normal shuttle]

brother, quetz was 200-250 kilograms irl

be thankful if it can grab anything larger than a herrera

volume isn't all that matters, mass is far more important in animals

[golden bane]

U crazy, wont spent mpre time talking with a crazy guy

[gritty heart]

In terms of mass absolutely not. In terms of visual size yes.

[golden bane]

Crazy

See ya guys, enjoy your crazy day

[normal shuttle]

I just have actual knowledge on the topic

[golden bane]

And a crazy live, enjoy it

[ivory wren]

It’s like a 200 pound man running with 600 pounds on his back

[mild isle]

We’re literally giving you the weight in numbers- you’ve given no numbers at all 😭 just insisting that Quetz is heavier than Omni when it isn’t- look it up

[normal shuttle]

because I can use actual evidence and facts for why something isn't feasible instead of "WOW LOOK AT THOSE TEETH OMG IT COULD ONE SHOT A DILO!!!"

And also actual arguments as for why a pouncer pterosaur is a terrible idea that the devs would scoff at because developing a playable costs thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of work

[mild isle]

Omni is about 450kg according to Isle wiki
But Omni didn’t exist- so the closest other thing I’d say is Utahraptor and it is around 500kg (average size)

[normal shuttle]

yes

[golden bane]

Do u use wikipedia on your arguments??

[mild isle]

Do you use any website at all?
I had to use The Isle wiki because Omniraptor is fictional

[normal shuttle]

brother, in the damn game omni is 450kg. Omniraptor is NOT real

and actual estimates like those in academic studies put utahraptor in the 400-500kg mark

[golden bane]

The isle wiki?? Omg u crazier thsn how i though, u scare me, dont replie me please ☠️

[normal shuttle]

this dude can't be serious

[mild isle]

I-

[golden bane]

I,ll just study and try to forget this, dang

[normal shuttle]

never suggest anything /hj

[golden bane]

See ya till the next week lol, not gonna replie u nothing

Have a crazy day guys, enjoy it!

[mild isle]

Should be fully serious :(

[normal shuttle]

maybe

after the fourth bad take in a row

gotta wait for that day to come

[heady geode]

#general-feedback message Mixpacks, now featuring the eye in the sky UAV, very balanced

[mild isle]

I don’t believe that suggestion would lead to mixpacking- assuming you don’t even get to choose who you spectate ?
Still not in favor of the idea, I’d rather just watch YT anyways- seems like a waste of developing time

But still don’t think it’d cause chaos

[normal shuttle]

@tranquil sorrel free intel for clans and mixpackers is crazy

[tranquil sorrel]

that's why I said on separate servers than where I'm logging

[normal shuttle]

I read that

you could still use it to the advantage of people in vc brother

[tranquil sorrel]

but you wouldn't get to choose, just shows you random dino in a server that is not disclosed

[heady geode]

You don’t see a clear way to exploit that? Really

[tranquil sorrel]

if the sever isn't shown I don't see how it could be used to cheat

[normal shuttle]

that is so....lame

why not watch youtube at that point

[heady geode]

I am John Cera, all my other cera buddies are starving on na5, I log off and join the 80 man queue on na7 to spectate an na5 dino, I tell my cera deathpack where that dino is; they eat it

[normal shuttle]

or like, ask for devs to enable skin creator in the meantime

[tranquil sorrel]

you don't get to pick server or dino it would just drop you into a players view of a random dino on any server and doesn't tell you which

[tranquil sorrel]

I like this idea also

[normal shuttle]

has been requested multiple times

[heady geode]

Still easily exploited, just another way for a hacker to exploit too, twitch seems like what you’re asking for

Join random stream, you don’t know what server that streamers in unless they specify, you get to watch a dinosaur

[mild isle]

John Cera saves the day again /j

[normal shuttle]

still more likable than omnis

[heady geode]

It’s honest work, John cera and the cera deathpack on every server

[tranquil sorrel]

lmao

[mild isle]

Behind every Cera pack there is a John Cera

[normal shuttle]

for every cannibal lore accurate cera, there's 600 garbage ceras who team up and are friendly to each other

[mild isle]

#general-feedback message Ngl when Rex is implemented it may just give Stego enough trouble- but the way this suggestion is phrased makes me think it would be near impossible for 2 deinos to coordinate this against a stego- so why not add it? It could be a nice reward for the deinos if they manage this and can make stegos think twice sometimes

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message @pliant musk , no we cannot agree because stego is doing what it is supposed to do, and idk what are two deino’s trying to do to a stego in land

And last thing deino needs is a grapple to pin trikes and rexes down with the power of friendship

[mild isle]

I kind of assume the stego would have to be super close to water to begin with
Because Deino can’t lunge stego and grab it unless stego is swimming + I assume the stamina drain would be torture for the deinos

[pliant musk]

of course this would be next to a shore. Otherwise the deinos would run out of stam and get messed up by the stego

like this is a double edged sword

and a deino can already grab a dibble

So....

oh wait u said trikes. Myf.

[mild isle]

Mmm I don’t agree it should be done for trike or Rex- but stego is only the apex herbivore now- I don’t see it being that way always when Shant and others get added

[normal shuttle]

Deino is meant to go from things smaller than itself, and in fact its ability is one of the most oppressive ones in the entire game at that. Stego on the other hand needs to be able to fend off much more competent land apexes and stuff such as allos and acros

Deino just suffers from the map and its early game really

[pliant musk]

I assume trikes and t-rex would be heavier than a stego, putting it out of the weight range for 2 deinos

[normal shuttle]

But it is not meant to go for adult stegos who aren’t swimming

[mild isle]

True, but stegos just body deinos unfairly with little chance to fight back- like I know the deinos don’t have to go on land, but I’ve had stegos body-camp bodies from my deino that were so so close to the water by just sticking their tail in lol

[haughty fossil]

why was my suggestion about port deleted? D:

[pliant musk]

^ Plus crocodilians today tend to go after prey around their size.

[thick summit]

crocodiles go for prey larger than themselves too

[pliant musk]

^^

[haughty fossil]

Heyo <@&401466542140817419> how come my suggestion about Port was deleted?

[icy lion]

You can use #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 to report bugs, not #general-feedback

[normal shuttle]

And stego needs to be able to fend off things larger than itself, and also it is far less mobile than everything else. You are condemning it to go only to safe spots or gamble because it would have no way of defending itself or dodging that as soon as two deinos come out of the water

[normal shuttle]

With little chance of success

They mostly go for smaller things because those can be dragged for sure into the water

And you know

Irl an animal could just see the croc lurking. In the isle there’s places where you cannot see anything in the water at all while someone below can see you just fine

Either rework deino and its visual indicators or that grapple is bs

[mild isle]

Hmmm
I mean- maybe a rework of the suggestion could work better? Like if two deinos manage to snatch it it’ll knock it back (probably not over) instead, allowing deino to grab any food that stego was body-camping or just giving deino a bit of a retort-
But also I rarely see two deinos together, much less two that also have great coordination

[normal shuttle]

What is your argument even going to be when trike releases and it does the exact same thing, btw? It is an issue you cannot really escape. You’re done if something far stronger is guarding your body both in land and in the water

Felt off to me because of that

[normal shuttle]

Visual indicators for deino to not be a brainless rex would work with a grapple, but as it stands I strongly refuse that since even if you manage to spot them in the more clear fresh water, there’s nothing a stego can do to escape even while drinking sideways

[pliant musk]

I doubt trike would weigh around 6 tons. It will probably be heavier than 8 tons, tbh.

[vital laurel]

@unreal ridge the skin creator scales a bit with the dinosaurs

[normal shuttle]

Yeah, that’s kind of why I asked that above. Even if you try to justify that deino should be able to do something because stegos just do whatever they want and camp bodies, the same will happen with trike, cama and shant

[mild isle]

That’s also true, but the difference between land and water is you have far more space to maneuver on land to potentially get bites of the same food + more food options in general if needed

It is an issue that’s near impossible to fix or sometimes avoid but yk- I just don’t think the idea is terrible and could be better in practice if it truly is super hard for the deinos to do

I also figure trike/shant/etc. will be a harder grow than stego- so it could at least allow deinos some free of mind from stegos

Wouldn’t fix the issue entirely but at least make it less common potentially

[blissful atlas]

@dull carbon here.

[unreal ridge]

oh thats just going off google estimates, itll prob be 8 or 9 yea

[pliant musk]

I was just guessing off the top of my head

[unreal ridge]

?

[pliant musk]

the weight for trike

[unreal ridge]

ok

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message “we ALL can agree”

no, we cannot.

[white elm]

"the apex herbi is doing apex herbi things nerf pls"

[tame jetty]

@torpid nest #general-feedback message do you mean DIETS?
Or can you include diets in your suggestion?
The plants give far too little % diet in plants (1% of fruit) -.-

[normal shuttle]

bro put words in our mouths

[normal shuttle]

deinosuchus mains when the glass cannon apex herbivore effectively does damage and has to be respected

...bro, imagine maining deino 💀 self hatred or clan scrubs, one of those two

[gritty heart]

Glass cannon? Ain’t glass

But I fully disagree with the suggestion regardless. If the stego doesn’t want to go for a swim it shouldn’t be grabbed(not talking about the little ones), simple as

[normal shuttle]

I meant in apex terms, as it very much hits like an apex while being one of the lighter ones and also a double damage headshot bonus isn't really a tanky trait precisely

[unreal ridge]

glass cannon in addition to the other apexes

[normal shuttle]

it went full damage

[unreal ridge]

jinx you owe me your life

but yeah so stego is a fencer designed for keeping its head away from predators while being able to precisely stab weak points

[gritty heart]

I suppose by apex standards yeah. Bulletproof glass of the tank armor world

[normal shuttle]

yeah

obv not a glass cannon by all measures

but the lean towards damage is clear

herbi on herbi aggression is gonna go hard

[urban flax]

Stego is the only dino in the game to take more than 1.5x damage on any part of its body
It qualifies as a glass cannon

Stego is proportionnally less tanky than troodon
Why anyone would agree to say is a glass cannon

[normal shuttle]

the glass cannon of the apex world, yes

[normal shuttle]

wonder if trike will be able to knock over stegos

that's gonna be maniacal if so

[gritty heart]

Cow tipping

[normal shuttle]

if stegos can stun trikes I am defo bringing a friend so we can hunt them down

[unreal ridge]

if stego can stun trike ill literally be brought to tears

but theres literally no way one wrong move doesnt get you gored

[unreal ridge]

@tame jetty never said anything about downsizing or upsizing anybody

just said stego should be more accurately sized to match the rest

[tame jetty]

that i dont mind tbh, but also dont mind him small if thats the devs eyes they want 🤔

[unreal ridge]

He’s not small it’s just if trike is 8 tons and 10 feet tall, stego was 6 tons and 11 feet (at the hip)

Leaner and taller

[normal shuttle]

stego is getting dunked on

[tame jetty]

truth

[tame jetty]

Also i'm not sure on this... But doesnt it already look like stego was upscaled a bit in evrima from legacy? he looked so small in legacy, But might be just that other things was diff scale too i dont remember exactly 🤔

[wintry cipher]

Albinism has been planned for cannibal dinos for a very long time ngl. It serves a very good function as a warning to others of its species and design wise I think thats a very unique way to have that in the game instead of just random chance like other games. It will also keep them rare as non cannibals will likely not trust or tolerate cannibals and thus kill them.

[unreal ridge]

stego got completely overhauled

[tame jetty]

yeh ig he already got upscaled then. Remember him so small in legacy

[old oasis]

In my original all i said was buff mai i was asked to be more descriptive and thats the first thing i though, I know how strong mai was in HT but it was at least playable perosonally idk how I can improve mai I just know it needs a buff. for eg i should be able to have a fair fight against a cerato that is around 2000kg when im 3.8tons.

[fathom sorrel]

Are migration zones broken? Playing maia, showed up to a zone and nothing is spawning.

[old oasis]

mai mz are rlly broken rn the only one that works well is the one near riverdelta.

[normal shuttle]

dude, maia destroys cera in a 1v1

it needs to be a bit better and less clunky, but it is nowhere as useless as people make it out to be

[cinder haven]

I don't think so

[normal shuttle]

problem that you can see in so many videos is that many maias barely move and they just try to trade with their quad attacks when you can immediately reposition with your speed and also not be a sitting duck

[normal shuttle]

I think so after winning a 1v3 once vs carnos and also a 1v2 against two adult ceras in one occassion

and 1v1 is just one sided if the maia has any braincells working inside their skull

and also have any awareness about their kit

but I think it should be better still

not asking for dibble, but the fact stuff like dilo can take so many hits is baffling

[cinder haven]

Carno can't beat you anyway, besides, there are experienced and inexperienced players in the game, you may be faced with inexperienced ones.

[normal shuttle]

1v1 a good maia can win against a good cera

[cinder haven]

My only problem is that he can't turn. If he could turn a little better, I would play him, but he can't, so I don't play him.

[normal shuttle]

3.8t is A LOT of mistakes you can afford

[cinder haven]

👍🏻

[normal shuttle]

and you are much faster with knockdown

[normal shuttle]

drifting and stance switching while running exist bro

maia is probably the highest skill dinosaur in the game rn for both intentional and unintentional reasons

[cinder haven]

👌🏻

[normal shuttle]

and I want the unintentional (bit too low damage/dps on quad stance and the switching bug) to be gone

[cinder haven]

Still not an animal I would choose

[normal shuttle]

is this sarcasm?

nevermind

[cinder haven]

No, I just accept it. I don't play Mai much so I have very little idea. That's why I accept it.

[normal shuttle]

Aight

yeah like, Maia is like...fine. Not as terrible as people make it out to be

but like pachy, it needs attention

[cinder haven]

eu 2 three adult stegoyuz trike they won't understand what happened XD

We will try our luck (Of course, they are indelible)

[idle plaza]

New player here. My first experience with this game. Logged onto Official NA 13 West. Ran around the jungle for about 30 mins without seeing a SINGLE living creature. No deer, boar, chickens, dinosaurs or anything. Died of starving. So I tried about thinking maybe I just got unlucky. I thought this time ill go to the oasis marker on my compass and Ill have better luck there. The Oasis spawned on the other side of a huge river so I spent about 10-15 minutes swimming across it and when I finally got to the Oasis, not a single thing there. No food or water. Died of starvation. What's the deal here?

[cinder haven]

I advise you not to play on EU servers, play on unofficial servers, they are much better.

[normal shuttle]

you should rely more on your scent (q, works to highlight corpses and not just directions if you hold it while standing or walking) and hearing to find AI or players. Sanctuaries have food for omnivores and herbivores and tbh those are factions I would recommend a lot more for beginners than carnivores since you need some basic map knowledge to know where most of the meat is

[cinder haven]

Watch game videos and learn popular places then you will enjoy the game more

[idle plaza]

I wasn't playing on EU I was on NA and all the unoffical servers have ping over 250...

[cinder haven]

play official play unofficial petis oscura pandora vb

Play server with 200-150 people instead of 100 people, there is more action there

[valid shore]

any1 else experience problems eating? like when in a group, i was only able to be brought food bc holding E didnt do anything?

[normal shuttle]

okay this is not general chat

we should be discussing feedback

[idle plaza]

I used my scent ability and didn't see a single thing on it. I was in my hunting grounds as well.

[vernal jacinth]

If you’re a carni you don’t get scents for food unless it’s dead already

[idle plaza]

This was not a good new player experience. Just thought I'd leave it here for the devs if they look. I know its in beta so im more understanding. I feel like there hsould be WAY more creatures. theres this sprawling jungle with literally nothing in it. Doesnt feel good atm.

[vernal jacinth]

And you wanna move this to one of the server chats for what you’re playing on or #isle-discussion. this is for feed back only

[idle plaza]

yea I know

[vernal jacinth]

This is for players to talk about stuff really. Devs probably just read the main feedbacks

[idle plaza]

This is my feedback

[vernal jacinth]

#isle-discussion you can ask help there or the server chats for what server you’re on

[idle plaza]

I don't need help just leaving feedback.

[normal shuttle]

the more you hold it, the farther you can smell (although with a cap). Either way I wouldnt recommend playing any carnivore but cera rn for starters, since those require map knowledge and herbivores/omnivores can go wherever they want. Cera can very much eat anything and it has the best scent so you would hardly starve and it also gets spawns with a lot of activity

As for the not very noob friendly experience, you are right and the devs know. They are working and wil implement a new UI/tutotial in the foreseeable future

[vernal jacinth]

It’s not really feedback if you leave it to be buried here. Instead of actually putting it in a feedback channel

[normal shuttle]

although likely not in this hordetest

[vernal jacinth]

Perhaps next one would be a bit nice

[normal shuttle]

yup

I'm sorry

but I sometimes just kind of smile when I think of how relatable new players are

always picking carnivores and starving because they don't know the map or they picked something that isn't noob friendly

been a while since I became a herbivore stan

[vernal jacinth]

Hence herbi is good and Omni. Like the Galli so you can run away fast and still eat

[vernal jacinth]

Funny thing is. I’ve never seen that guy asking anything in chats for help in any way. So…their loss I guess

[normal shuttle]

I always tell people: you wanna start? DONT. PICK. DEINO

Pick galli instead. Crazy fast from the very moment it starts, easy to maintain, actually uses sanctuaries and then all you need to do in order to survive nearly all matchups is to run in a straight line

people who pick stuff like stego, carno or deino when they start the game is

[obsidian jetty]

but people want to play out their "big teethosaur that eats everything"-fantasies

[vernal jacinth]

Really. Never go for the big things first

[normal shuttle]

and either starve or get massacred by something far smaller

I swear that I crash out when I see ADULT DIBBLES getting soloed by ceras. I once saw that and I told the guy after he respawned to quit the game in local chat lmao

[obsidian jetty]

and if what massacres them is a herbi on top of it that's when things get spicy ^^

[normal shuttle]

real

Like when I soloed 2 ceras as maia

[obsidian jetty]

kinda rude, ngl. It's ok to be bad at a videogame. I mean, I am too. But I know I can't complain when I die.

[normal shuttle]

well yeah

but man that is insane

like, you know about the slide and sparring stance?

[eternal moss]

must've had a big skill issue

[normal shuttle]

it is shameful when I watch videos of stuff like maias dying to one dilo

[eternal moss]

i can do that easily

[normal shuttle]

they were admittedly garbage but also I've killed some average or even decent ceras as maia more than once. Tough fight but still

[eternal moss]

you should try and fight my dilo

[normal shuttle]

or stegos just dying to anything but canni stegos or dibble groups

[eternal moss]

i solo maias all day

[normal shuttle]

dilo nowadays is such a crutch meta slave dinosaur but good for u

if you dont use venom I respect

[eternal moss]

venom doesnt work half the time lmao

actually most of the time

[idle plaza]

I appreciate the reply and advice. I was playing a dilo I think ( the one with the venom that can make dinos hallucinate) because it sounded fun. I get that the others are more "noob friendly" right now. But that isn't really the issue. I'm a new player playing a dinosaur game and I want to play a meat eating dinosaur. The game shouldn;t punish a player just starting out because they "don't know the map" or "haven't look up videos online" on how to play the game. If a player has to do that, the game isn't designed well imo. And I get it's a work in progress. Maybe the devs just need to add more AI chickens and other little animals to prevent this kinda of thing. I mean i literally ran through the jungle for 30 mins straight and didn't see a single creature? Talk about immersion breaking. If the devs don't want carnos to be able to survive off little critters then just have it so that they don't give much food depending on your dinos size. Ok rant over.

[fathom sorrel]

Is there an easy way to dispose of a nest?

[icy lion]

Bite it a bunch

[heady geode]

@still needle #general-feedback message it does, watch your neck

Honk, and your neck goes Zoom mode, when your neck rises you are no longer honk zooming

[still needle]

from my experience it does not always do it but I still think having the bars as an extra tell would be helpful as you cant always see your dinosaur very well in forests/night time

[hidden pilot]

what even is the key for the honk

[heady geode]

F is the honk when next to another Galli, 1 call also works for speed boost, just way louder

[gritty heart]

if you play a dilo just spam the calls until some bigger dilo adopts and feeds you. That is the nepo way

[compact quail]

^ legit tried this. got mauled buy some raptors. They seem to hate dilo a bit

[gritty heart]

If you are fast enough run from them, if you aren’t the growth wasn’t enough to be a significant loss

[normal shuttle]

@upper lagoon

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-adapt-git-gud-skill-issue-gif-23598192

/gen

Don’t try soloing them as a cera or deino and we’re gud

[frank tapir]

what if ava burrows through the ground to sneak up on nests

silly little ceratopsian

[normal shuttle]

What if ava can knockdown

[junior nymph]

@stark flare there is a unofficial AU server just no one plays on it but it has like 175 members

[white elm]

#general-feedback message

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-22669238

too big

[dim canopy]

I'd love to see the Steam page finally updated... And maybe changing Evrima to the main branch.

[compact timber]

Sigh
Do you hate it when you make a typo but you cannot fix it cuz it's in a DAMN PICTURE

btw @night obsidian #general-feedback message I suggest you put that in #balance-feedback as you might get more positive reviews in there! Also give it a reason/explanation on why it should to convince people. I agree with the change but you must convince more people!

[night obsidian]

Thanks for letting me know. Sometimes I forget about that channel

[white elm]

its quite simply an unbalanced change

[compact timber]

no probs! Make sure to make an explanation too

[compact timber]

Seeing how often Carno players fumble, I agree with it LMAO
I was a big juvie Omni at some point and 3 whole damn Carnos tried to catch me and were just being out-manuevered into the bushes LMAOOOO

[white elm]

like carno vs cera for example

cera can't escape the carno

so it has to be able to win in combat

[compact timber]

doesn't cera do 350 dmg with charge bite?

with no stamina cost nor a big cooldown on it?

and isn't it able to make the carno vomit and stun it temporarily

I think that's pretty high odds for a cera to win, I'm more so agreeing with the weight buff on carno for him to attack medium-size herbivores with less worry lol

Again though, a good Carno will destroy, of course

just generally I haven't been seeing a lot of good Carnos at all 😭

Although maybe instead of a weight buff, making it slide for a shorter duration so that they are slightly better at doing sharp turns might be a better change

#general-feedback message @wooden mulch I definetly agree, the amount of times I ate a fellow Troodon thinking it's juvie Omni xD

[wooden mulch]

Especially if this new Skin for Cannis will be added!

It would fit the Update to Cannibalising...

[compact timber]

yeeep

[stark flare]

Oh ok lol

[compact timber]

even if it's just an upside down meat icon I'd still take it xD

[compact timber]

#general-feedback message @subtle swan I agree, also it misses very often when you're trying to jump to a thin branch, the icon lies to you sometimes LOL

[subtle swan]

Hit boxes on trees are the issue there lmao too many spinddly bits

Or when you are aiming at the tree trunk or rock face and you just skim off the side and into the mouth of a nearby dino, or off a cliff.

[hard torrent]

Hit boxes in this game are really bad, im on server where i have 40 ping, and it still feels i have like 0,5s delay where i see my dino and where it actually is, im dodging attacks and then im teleported to their mouth like what

[normal shuttle]

You said that as if you would have survived that anyway

It only missed by like 10 inches

[icy lion]

@night obsidian Coordinates can be used to navigate and find other people without a map

[night obsidian]

How ?

And yet... we've not been given a map because dinosaurs don't use a map. That's what we've been told. So dinosaurs use coordinates now?

[icy lion]

Wym? You share coords with each other, and use them to find each other. If your lat is higher than your friend's, go South, etc

[night obsidian]

I understand, but aren't we all not just using the online map anyways? The whole we shouldn't have a map thing has only become a "yea we're using a map anyway but it's just inconvenient and outside of the game" thing

[icy lion]

How is that the devs' problem?

People can make and use third-party maps if they want, that doesn't mean the devs want it to be the "official experience"

[vernal jacinth]

I don’t see anything wrong with maps

[night obsidian]

So the coordinates are merely for one purpose. To find another player ?

[icy lion]

If they don't want dinos to have a map, they won't. They still give us coords for basic player usability and locating each other, and people can make interactive maps using those

[icy lion]

Or to find and remember specific places on the map, or get a general bearing on where you are yea

[night obsidian]

Gotcha.

[night obsidian]

Me neither, but I stick to what the devs have planned for the game. However I find it a little sad that everyone is using a map anyways

[vernal jacinth]

The map is there to assist players and staff if needed. If you don’t like it then don’t use it and ignore the cords on your TAB. It’s easy.

[night obsidian]

I understand

[normal shuttle]

@neat swan literally free lipids dude 😭

And there’s areas where they straight up can’t spawn

[neat swan]

yeah but makes it impossible to fish as a small ptera without quickly dying, as you can´t eat the fish while flying. And preferably I´d find a safe spot for eating first rather than landing immediantly just so the rats don´t spawn tbh

[normal shuttle]

Brug

There’s spots where they literally don’t spawn

Straight up

And then all it takes is to peck one and you got two nutrients now

[urban flax]

@sick gale That's what ambient light is for

[sick gale]

Aight. Its been years since I rendered anything. Was trying to remember. You're right. I just want to see without nv on all the time e.e

[urban flax]

Yeah for some reason the ambient light is pretty much absent from the game currently, but a better lighting was teased several times

[grizzled rapids]

#general-feedback message @halcyon thicket My reason for no on this post is just because they already plan to add the climbing, and though gliding would be cool, they would need to rework the hypsie model for it to make sense.

[night obsidian]

#general-feedback message @storm aurora think this through bro.. let's say your a Stego, minding your own business and having nothing bad in mind.

Let's say I'm a toxic carno griefer.
What keeps me from staying near you until you get the stress debuff and vomit and you couldn't do against it.
A system like this would give toxic players even more opportunities to let the rest of the player base suffer.

Sadly it's not that simple to get rid of mixpackers.

Punishing players just because other players decide to stay near would make everything worse.

[normal shuttle]

Precisely

[storm aurora]

thats a fair point. a fix to this could be the larger the less stress it gets from smaller things. and since the stress will also affect the carno aswell making it vomit.

[normal shuttle]

Just cope and deal with mixpackers dude

Strains will come to clean them up eventually

[night obsidian]

Okay but then then they could mixpack with less punishment again. Do you see where the problem lies?

[night obsidian]

No we need a solution. But it's not easy sadly. Nothing will clean them up. They are everywhere and destroy the balance. But there is a way. I saw some neat suggestions already that only need to be fleshed out better

[night obsidian]

Also if the carno gets a debuff. What keeps his other carno friend from waiting further away to attack you as soon you got the debuff?

[storm aurora]

not really? lets say theres a carno stego mixpack. the stego will still gain stress and the carnos will vomit pushing the carnos away.and if they stay then both will vomit. and i didnt even think abt it but cera will need a debuff since it doesnt vomit

[night obsidian]

Okay then they stay just outside the proximity and when a fight starts they sneak attacks in and then move away again.

It just doesn't work

Only because they are mixpacking doesn't mean they are close to each other all the time. Mixpacking is not tied to proximity

I can run from a carno and his pachy friend could run at me from a completely different side, not even close to the carno. And yet, they are mixpacking and fighting together

[urban flax]

Also imagine hanging in a jungle not knowing there's a bigger dino resting nearby and suddendly you vomit out of nowhere

[night obsidian]

Lmao. Another good point

[urban flax]

Or worse
Trying to hide from said bigger dino but you dino goes BLARGHARGHBLARGH inside it's bush

[storm aurora]

that also works. but what solution is there? all your points are good and valid

[night obsidian]

That's what we're all trying to figure out haha

[storm aurora]

LOL fair. i havent thought everything through (clearly)

[gritty heart]

That’s the tricky part about mixpacking, very hard to crack down on in mechanical ways that don’t strike others on accident

[night obsidian]

Well get there. I'm certain. But it's hard

[normal shuttle]

bruh we got a solution

strains strains and more strains

they did wonders back then outside of sandbox, and they will be better in evrima

just add an indomitable force of nature and all truly problematic mixpacks and megapacks will be gone

because who cares about a teno protecting a sub carno, right?

[normal shuttle]

I swear I hate these stress/anxiety/bob comfort wannabe suggestions so much

I'd rather take tarbosaurus addition as an anti group crowd control master over that

[gritty heart]

Nah, the teno would win

[normal shuttle]

like no one cares about two dibbles protecting a dilo

problem is when 2 stegos, 3 ceras, 1 dilo and 4 tenos are all gathered in one place and cuddling

hyper carno walks in, and their free trial of life has ended

shrimple as

make it maybe so that strains can actually smell mixpacks maybe? as in, if two species are together, they will appear in the scent compass similar to large groups of the same species

[night obsidian]

Can you elaborate. I don't quite understand. But it sounds interesting

[gritty heart]

Hyper carno should get somehow worse knockdown times than carno so even a solo teno bullies it. It’s just right

[night obsidian]

Well... to a trodoon pack that is about to starve and were just about to kill the dilo. It would matter allot. Consider the whole picture

#general-feedback message @dawn hound where have you seen much AI. I've never seen much AI

[normal shuttle]

We already had hyper rex publicly in legacy so we can already guess how they will work

Strains are greatly empowered versions of normal dinosaurs: faster, more durable, more attack power, bafflingly quick regeneration...all balanced out by an astonishing food drain that basically forced hyper rex in progression to constantly move around killing and devouring everything it found to a degree greater than a fresh spawn carnivore right now

When strains make it into the game, it's gonna be clear that they're gonna be strong, and also something everyone can have as long as they met the requirements and hit elder, even solo players will be able to get there. They could have the right tools to wreck megapacks abd mixpacks, lured by how noisy or confident they tend to be and thus controlling their numbers and presence in the game. And they cannot be used by mixpackers properly due to that hunger drain, it cannot be harnessed

if you give strains the ability to smell species in proximity to each other that would be

[white elm]

[normal shuttle]

forcing them to spread out or else

[night obsidian]

So they just kill everything in their path 🤣😭

[normal shuttle]

[normal shuttle]

yeah that's the point and what we've been told about them

they are there to be a reminder to everyone: in The Isle, you are both the cat and the mouse

[night obsidian]

That's one way to end mixpacking. But the collateral damage...🤣😭

[normal shuttle]

expected

[woeful latch]

i wonder if they will make hypers on purpose unbalanced like it was in legacy lol

[normal shuttle]

they are meant to be self destructive, so they are likely going to be crazy strong

[woeful latch]

hyper carno running around the map and killing everything with one charge

[gritty heart]

Don’t worry a human will snipe it.

[night obsidian]

But again. Small mixpacking also impacts the game. If I was an omnie and 2 dibbles would deny my kill so that I starve. I would be mad

[normal shuttle]

an omni can survive just fine with AI or targeting things when they are alone or they split up

there's always something you can do

[woeful latch]

i doubt there will be enough bullets on the map to do that

[night obsidian]

Where is the AI🤣😭

I never find any

[gritty heart]

Nah, they are literally him, 1 shot 1 kill.

[gritty heart]

It’s all at west rail access. I don’t mean that ironically

[night obsidian]

Why ALL?

[desert arch]

@eternal moss pachy stunning on hits would make cera and teno absolute fodder to it, its exactly the reason why pachy was so op in u6.

[woeful latch]

north east also

[night obsidian]

Hordetest or what?

[gritty heart]

I see whole herds of ai there. And it’s a pretty quiet location, so fairly safe

[normal shuttle]

uh...literally everywhere in the main carni friendly areas of all normal servers? West rail access, south plains, highlands, delta...There's always stuff to eat in spots near the sanctuaries

[gritty heart]

I mean standard. I saw the horrid ht nv and dipped. I like seeing my game

[night obsidian]

I've never seen AI for weeks bruh

[night obsidian]

I'm also talking about standard

Well crazy stuff. I'm gonna check it our

[normal shuttle]

dondi has cursed you then. Confess your sins

[night obsidian]

Don't look at me

I'm guilty of unknowingness

[night obsidian]

To me it was the grass rendering

[steel field]

@proven bluff turn off DLSS in the graphical settings menu

[eternal moss]

then what other way could the devs buff it?

[desert arch]

Fractures need a nerf before pachy can get any buffs tbh

[woeful latch]

fractures are too op as a mechanic, i think we should start from changing how fractures work

[desert arch]

But giving it stuns for larger things is definetly not the way to go

[woeful latch]

right now a single fracture can disable most of your attacks and give 3x stam cost

if we change how fractures work, only then we can give pachy more buffs imo.

[eternal moss]

i dont find anything wrong with the fracture mechanic

takes little to no skill to just dodge and you pretty much win.

[dawn hound]

SP, HL, not in hordetest, in normal evrima

[inland vigil]

Can't believe achievements is getting downvoted 😔 zero fun allowed on the isle guys

[indigo gulch]

that's not why people are downvoting it and you know it :/

[inland vigil]

provide feedback then

i actually have zero idea why doing pointless tasks for some personal satisfaction is a bad thing

find all the human settlements for a small reward. its fun lol

[indigo gulch]

Yeah maybe, but I'm not sure if it fits the survival narrative of the game

[inland vigil]

its survival/exploration/pvp- i fail to see what else there is to really do in a survival game

[indigo gulch]

the human settlements is maybe the 1 achievement that might be justifiable

[inland vigil]

i don't want anything to be particularly gamey, so nothing would need to be an achievement unless it tied into lore/exploration in my opinion

like how finding all biomes in minecraft gets you an achievement. that's what im talking about, not "kill 100 players" or anything

[indigo gulch]

But that kind of requires people to know where it is beforehand no? It can also really hinder you to go there

[inland vigil]

nope. that's the beauty of exploring

[indigo gulch]

if you're a ptera, sure. But gl exploring the island with a troodon

or deino

[inland vigil]

use your knowledge of survival to explore the map and achieve something pointless (like a badge or extra pattern). thats about it
choose any dinosaur you want. that's your own choice

any reward should always be cosmetic and give no upper hand on anyone else. colors should also NOT be unlockable because then everyone and their mother would be the special color and i hate that

but like if i want to explore a little to get a cool pattern for cerato because i HATE all of its patterns i would enjoy doing that lol

[indigo gulch]

I'm not entirely against it (you know, I didn't vote against it myself), but I can see that it wouldn't really be something players would want in the game.

[inland vigil]

maybe not. but i can hope 😔 sounds fun since everything in the game rn is pvp
i have 2000 hours in evrima and i still have not been to every corner of the map

[barren sparrow]

With the idea of a reward tied to it, you run into a FOMO problem though, and then people would feel that the achievement is "necessary". I personally have no problem with the idea of achievements, but I don't think there should be in-game rewards for it. That's just personal preference though

[inland vigil]

its not necessary at the end of the day though

[indigo gulch]

I see FOMO, I get PTSD of multiplayer games

[inland vigil]

do it if you want yknow. nesting isnt necessary either

if you have fomo just put in the effort to get what you want

[barren sparrow]

Eh, I said my piece. Take it or leave it. It was just my two cents

[tame jetty]

@eternal moss #general-feedback message hardcore agree about pachy. Really miss playing It. But it's just wasted hours to grow it now

[eternal moss]

yeah, other people disagree though. Others say it needs a NERF!?

[cosmic spade]

Make it to where austroraptors would be able to pounce under the water, basically like an omni pounce but under water

[frank tapir]

#general-feedback message $68 USD to Australia

@shell finch #general-feedback message Rex and trike will almost certainly be in the next update

[limber hull]

"Strains are greatly empowered versions of normal dinosaurs: faster, more durable, more attack power, bafflingly quick regeneration...all balanced out by an astonishing food drain that basically forced hyper rex in progression to constantly move around killing and devouring everything it found to a degree greater than a fresh spawn carnivore right now"

That's true only for hypers. The other two strains work entirely differently in ways we have yet to see, but we know neuro will be extremely tough for gen 2 to deal with on account of its mind-melding, tech disrupting abilities, and tissoplastic is a mystery beyond "stealthy"

They likely won't have the starvation weakness that hyper has either

[shell finch]

thank you for the update. i honestly didnt know

when is that expected to come @frank tapir

[frank tapir]

They will be in the current hordetest, trike will be released first after they fix the performance issues, then rex with trike removed, then both together. Once all testing is done they'll be released to evrima

[bold oasis]

@honest beacon Trex is right on the horizon to murder them easy

[latent olive]

AI text lmao
#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

AI GENERATED NERF STEGO POST???

It’s Christmas

[white elm]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-rocket-raccoon-crying-pain-gif-5914072486607539335

"formidable armour*

[honest beacon]

all of that work to be called ai

[limber hull]

Listen if you DID write all that good for you but like you write identical to how my ChatGPT wrote one of my essays so

[latent olive]

grilling plotting scheming react that guy

[white elm]

The work is done, it always will be

[limber hull]

Also saying stego has formidable armour is still really funny because stego has zero resistances and actually has a head vulnerability

Also calling stego an “overly defensive playstyle”

What else kinda playstyle do you want from a stego lol

[white elm]

One where it can run down a cera presumably

[gritty heart]

well rn they (stego players) are actually very offensive and try to attack (they just are too slow to catch people that dont take the bait)

[white elm]

Chat is this real

[limber hull]

I may or may not have written my final essay for my ancient mythology unit somewhat in ChatGPT

Possibly

[white elm]

[thick summit]

I love when people want a large herbivore to be weak

Maybe don't try to kill a massive herbivore as a cera

[plain trail]

^

This

[normal shuttle]

@novel yacht need an elo system too?

[night idol]

yea cus lets balance stego around dinos that arent even in the game yet, good logic

[stuck imp]

the legendary mythical skill of walking away

[night idol]

that makes for fun engaging gameplay right

"oh look there's a stego! how cool, too bad my giant pack of carnis cant kill it because its overtuned. guess we'll look for something else"

[stuck imp]

nothing in the game right now is meant to engage an adult stego.

[night idol]

"oh look there's a pack of carnis! how cool, too bad im playing stego and they cant hunt me at all. guess ill just keep walking around eating plants"

[night idol]

lazy and sad logic

[limber hull]

They can hunt you. They just need to be good lol

[night idol]

well according to many intellectuals in here "nothing in the game right now is meant to engage an adult stego."

[wooden agate]

hypes self up over not even seeing the word rex after multiple devs have said rex is being tested after trike during this HT
disappointed when self hype crumbles down
somehow turns into feedback about how to improve game

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1344206634175692800

[limber hull]

Yea that’s why you need a group or a lucky deino. Because a solo deino can instantly dispatch a stego

[woeful latch]

good omni pack melts stegos, dibbles can kill the stegos, same with the good cera pack.. or few dilo bites during nighttime ehehhe.

or actually even just another stego.

stego is everything but unlikable ahah

[night idol]

never said stego was unkillable. i just find it fascinating when people make the argument that stego is balanced with the current roster because "nothing in the game right now is meant to engage an adult stego."

makes zero sense to balance stego around dinos that are not even playable yet instead of dinos that are currently in the game

but its been like this since day 1 of evrima and the power swing buff was even more horrifying

but its okay!! cause rex is coming soon right guys only took a couple years

[white elm]

ok so what does a stego that is so weak it dies consistently to cera packs do when it encounters a much stronger, faster rex?

a bit shortsighted to nerf stego for the current roster

otherwise it just dies to big apexes

[limber hull]

Also Rex next update means the nerf really would make zero sense

[night idol]

i think the only shortsight here is you assuming that they would keep the nerfed stego stats when rex is released

[limber hull]

If anything, stego may need a buff for next patch if what we know if trike and red are to be believed

[night idol]

but knowing the devs i wouldnt be surprised if they overlooked this like many other things

[white elm]

trike datamined to be 2km faster than stego moment

[white elm]

my question is, why does every herbi in the game have to be on the menu for cera?

[night idol]

youre acting like the nerf would make stego a walking free buffet

lol

"it is so weak that it dies consistently to cera packs"

[white elm]

not an answer, why should cera be able to kill every single herbi on the roster

[woeful latch]

stego doesn’t need nerfs😭

[woven bane]

it can’t though, cera is slightly overtuned yes but not that busted lol

[woeful latch]

i’d say it needs buffs instead to fight rexes

[white elm]

this is a hypothetical in response to swiftyy's suggestion

[night idol]

i like how youre just boiling what im saying down to "stego needs a nerf"

when that would make no sense now since rex is releasing soon and there's no point to change something that has been the same since evrima release

im saying that its a horrible balancing decision to balance current dinos around dinos that are not even in the game yet

[urban flax]

FloWs just saw cheesy and a cera mention in the same conversation and decided he was here to cause trouble

[night idol]

they clearly showed they wanted to do that with stego when they added power swing

[white elm]

run away from the stego and it cannot hurt you

a stego cannot catch you if you simply shift + w

[woeful latch]

imo they should either make stego smaller, but faster or make it larger and be able to stun rex with the power swing.

i dont see how stegos will survive rexes otherwise

[woven bane]

smaller stego nah

[white elm]

oh god flows vs cheesy begins once again

stand back

[urban flax]

Just buff powerswing damage to 5000 so it can out-damage it
I swear it will be fun and balanced

[night idol]

there's another lazy solution that everyone seems to think works well

if you think of it that way then sure that works, but it makes for objectively boring gameplay.
stego just walks around and gets bored from not being hunted by anything and falls asleep at keyboard
carni "simply shift + w" when they see a stego

like cool ig

right now as it stands stego finds a wall, shoves its head in it, and nothing on land can kill it besides another stego

[woven bane]

it dosen’t need to stun it, stego will 100% come on top in that matchup unless Rex’s pin works exactly like omnis

[night idol]

you can try to argue against that saying "if the carni pack is super big and skillful then stego die!!!" but its just not true with the current state of power swing

again, its been like this forever

[urban flax]

This isn't a problem related to stego, it applies to many situations
See a carno, or omni, or cera as a dryo ? Just run away
See a cera as pretty much anything ? Run away
See anything as a hypsi ? Run away
Running away is a valid form of survival and tactic, there being not much to do apart from combat isn't a stego issue

[night idol]

it is a problem that's applicable to just stego, if you've read anything ive said above they decided to balance stego purely around future apex carnis that are not even in the game yet

which im saying is insanely stupid

[urban flax]

But that's not true, stego has always been killable, it was even terribly under-powered at some point
Now they recently buffed it in preparation for rex's release

[night idol]

stego has never been terribly under-powered. that's an insane statement

[woven bane]

preparation?

[night idol]

"recently"???

LOL

[urban flax]

Even back when it lost 1v1 against a dryo ?

[woeful latch]

💀

[night idol]

alright ur just baiting atp

[woeful latch]

for some reason i think it might for exactly like omnis pin does lol

[urban flax]

Was the same time as when a stego had 0 chance of survival if a carno decided to kill it

[woven bane]

eh there will probably be a threshold on it

[woeful latch]

also i fear sub stegos might just be running food lol

[night idol]

idk what dimension youre from but this is honestly hilarious to read

[woeful latch]

hopefully

[urban flax]

It really happened
Also died to ptera, but that's also because ptera was op at that time

[urban flax]

I'm from the dimension of someone who has been playing since evrima's release

[night idol]

yeah same here

i think that the times youre explaining where those stegos died to dryos or pteras or whatever

those people mightve been playing with their monitor turned off

or youve been taking way too much acid

[urban flax]

You can find videos of it, and judge by yourself

[night idol]

stego has never been underpowered

[woven bane]

good

[urban flax]

It very much has
Also it used to be absolute deino fodder for some time, but that again was because of deino being waay too op

[woeful latch]

nooo the kentrosaurus niche

[night idol]

so youre saying that balancing dinos in preparation for unreleased dinos is a good thing?

because a couple of neanderthal stego players died to dryos in patch 1?

im confused

[stuck imp]

why make extra work? when rex comes the cera vs stego situation isn't going to change. why should the devs have let it be different for no reason?

[urban flax]

The best would have been to balance it at the exact moment rex releases
But at least this way they can make sure it works, cuz in this game things tend to not work when they should
It's also better than doing nothing at all and letting stego go extinct because of being unviable

[night idol]

"extra work" yea cus changing the numbers for 1 dinosaur's stats is very difficult time-consuming work

[stuck imp]

changing just one stat slightly could make stegos extinct. yes a lot of consideration has to go into it.

[urban flax]

You don't understand, the stego's skill was not involved in the situation, because it was hard-limited in what it could do
All it took was for the dryo to know how to exploit it

[night idol]

you guys are acting like changing stegos stats is something that takes months of preparation and time dedication

its literally as simple as changing a value lol

[urban flax]

Also you act like carnos being able to kill stegos by biting their thagomizers while staying out of reach never happened

[night idol]

if you really truly believe that the current stego vs anything matchup is balanced then i have nothing more to say

[urban flax]

Doing any change to the game requires pushing a new build to Steam
Which does take time

[limber hull]

update 3 stego got minced by basically every carnivore (and herbivore)

it was pretty funny but also pretty sad

[urban flax]

It doesn't require a nerf at this point in time
Stego is also one of the rare things still saving herbis from being glorified food

[night idol]

not saying it requires a nerf at this point in time

would make no sense now

[limber hull]

honestly there's two options here

1: Stego is buffed to deal with the fact that trike and rex approacheth (and people lose their goddamn mind)
2: Stego is nerfed and is like... instantly fodderised within the month
3: Nothing happens and stego is STILL fodderised, but not as hard as option 2

[urban flax]

Well we were discussing feedback that was quite literally asking for that

[night idol]

but ay if you do believe stego has always been balanced against the current roster then i genuinely have nothing to say. its throwing poop at a wall simulator atp

[urban flax]

No, it wasn't always balanced, there were moments where it was complete fodder

[night idol]

if you could read anything ive typed before (think ive said it three times now) im saying that they should not balance current roster dinos around completely unreleased dinos that are not even in the game yet

[urban flax]

I wouldn't say there was ever a moment where stego was a problem to the game balance

[night idol]

ok even worse, gotcha

[urban flax]

It never received any buff since its release save for power swing anyway

So I don't see how it could have been more powerful than it is now, which is fine

[honest beacon]

Are u guys still talking about the “ai” stego feedback post I did?

[stuck imp]

""ai""

[urban flax]

Ah wait, there was a moment when powerswing could be spammed mid-animation
At that time, yeah, stego was over-powered
But still not really a balance problem like carno or omni used to be at some point

Or deino, or how cera and dilo are currently

[night idol]

i mean, there are people who genuinely think that stego is a balanced and even WEAK playable so its kinda hard to make any suggestion when those things exist

[urban flax]

And there are people who refuse to believe it ever happened, also while claiming they were there
Negationnism

[night idol]

stego was weak when the player who was playing stego was weak in the brain

which is how it should be, if youre bad at a game you SHOULD die more often

[woeful latch]

stegosaura

[limber hull]

and when it got soloed by dryos and pteras that was also a point where it was weak

but that was back during the funny balance

[urban flax]

It was weak when it had no way to deal with a single carno

[limber hull]

when dryo was king for some reason

[night idol]

if someone playing stego cannot generate a single braincell to be able to 1v1 a dryo then yes i believe they should die in that situation

[urban flax]

The best stego in the world would die to a single carno because it had no possible counterplay

[night idol]

no possible counterplay? so youre telling me that the 6000 hp 1500 dmg attack stego had zero counterplay against a carno

interesting

[limber hull]

its pretty clear you werent around for the funny balance

especially if you quote those specific stats

[night idol]

click my profile and look at join date

if you dont believe me then there's the proof

[limber hull]

join date be damned, you dont know what we're talking about if you use those stats to back your point

[urban flax]

Precisely
And I even told you how it happened

[night idol]

so youre talking about a specific patch where stego could be 1v1ed by a carno if the carno played perfectly and the stego missed every single hit? ok so what's youre point

if they're whiffing on every bait then they deserve to die

[limber hull]

no i'm talking about the long-standing patch where basically everything could kill stego

aka U3

with beyblade deinos, terminator dryos, nuke pounce omnis and tank carnos

[night idol]

ah so you believe stego should be unkillable?

[limber hull]

is that what you read? interesting

im certain i typed something entirely different

[night idol]

no im just wondering because youre saying that everything could kill stego like its a bad thing

its a playable afterall

[limber hull]

ok, so you want dryos to be consistently killing stegos lol

or deinos to beat stegos on land

or carnotaurus just kinda nuking it

[night idol]

yup that's what i want you got it

[limber hull]

i'm just using examples from when stego was "balanced"

[night idol]

i think what youre trying to do is break down my argument into "stego has always been overpowered" by giving one specific patch where it wasnt and nitpicking the specifics on it since youre so knowledgable. when in reality im only saying that the idea of balancing a playable around dinos that are not even in the game yet is a dumb decision

but good on you

[limber hull]

for the entirety of U2-U3.5 it was like this. It was not "one patch"

[night idol]

i recognize you now wavepoole if i remember correctly you are in here 24/7 so that makes sense you have more playtime than me

my bad for not knowing the exact specifics and the correct terminology on it being one patch versus update 2-3.5

you have vanquished my suggestion completely.

[limber hull]

well you were pretty stuck on the one patch thing. idk why you're making such a big deal over a minor correction LMAO

mountain out of a molehill

[night idol]

i think you are the one making a big deal out of it not me

[urban flax]

OH there was also that time when 2 ceras could DEMOLISH a stego while tanking its tailswings

[limber hull]

Oh U6.5 launch stego was BAAAD jesus

[night idol]

blowing up one example i gave by deconstructing it and completely ignoring the actual suggestion

[limber hull]

what suggestion did you actually make??? i've been here the whole time and all i've seen is you saying stego unkillable

[white elm]

as far as I can see they didn't

I get the feeling this is about the AI generated stego feedback

[night idol]

@limber hull so you cant read

at all

got it alright ima head out

classic wavepoole

[limber hull]

"oh look there's a stego! how cool, too bad my giant pack of carnis cant kill it because its overtuned. guess we'll look for something else"
"oh look there's a pack of carnis! how cool, too bad im playing stego and they cant hunt me at all. guess ill just keep walking around eating plants"

emphasis on "can't hunt at all" and "can't kill it"

seems to imply something

anyways you still didn't actually suggest anything

[limber hull]

also i have no idea who you are so idk how classic wavepoole applies here lol

[white elm]

classic Alpha Alphonse, Hero of Mobius*

[limber hull]

thank u

[white elm]

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-evrima-the-isle-diabloceratops-diablogang-gif-6924716503437060469

[white elm]

#general-feedback message I would like to note that you're in luck

humans have been planned, with guns, from the very start

@sharp island

[sharp island]

Fantastic, hope it happens soon.

[limber hull]

you can actually play them atm but uh

they crash the game a lot

[sharp island]

Yeah i noticed as soon as i leftclicked my game staight up died

[compact timber]

#general-feedback message @spare sable I suggest #balance-feedback for that, if you want better votes!

[spare sable]

oh ty i didn't even see that channel

[compact timber]

np!

[sharp island]

There was talks about an "ancient" status after becoming an adult and surviving long enough after reaching adulthood a few years back. What ever happened to that?

[urban flax]

It's called elders and it's in the works right now

[limber hull]

@west agate i don't understand why you wouldn't increase weight. A bigger hitbox and that's it is just a nerf

also, y'know, rex and trike

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

oh they absolutely will lol, don't worry

also stego can deal more than 1.6k by a significant margin

[west agate]

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[limber hull]

trike still is MUCH bigger than stego, has a tanky head as opposed to a vulnerable head, is apparently faster than stego