general-feedback-discussion

[tame jetty]

Clones rn really too much. See multiple feedback on this, and hear people.
But it's OK to have your opinion

[wooden agate]

instead of just throwing clones away, rework them to a) actually be able to be fought back against like what was originally intended and b) come up with a way for the dilo to have to interact more with the animal they're envenomating

[urban flax]

I just posted a beginning of an idea for a potential dilo venom rework in #isle-discussion
I need to flesh it out

[wooden agate]

but i wouldnt remove them being able to get you underwater/in trees/rocks

sorry, your blood is not magically clensed from lethal venom because you went up a rock or dove down a little

[tame jetty]

I like what you're onto. Your idea might help making the real player dilo work for his meal, not a computer alone.
I also think tho, the dilos clones that belong to the dilo that die, shouldn't spawn anymore tho, because the dilo is dead that sent them. Thus encouraging the dilo player to not die at all cost! Or fail his pack and lose the support to his pack

[urban flax]

With my idea of a rework in mind, it wouldn't matter
Because they would apply a multiplier for the damage of a dilo that isn't there anymore

[wooden agate]

bleed can kill you after a fight, why wouldnt venom?

especially if you can fight back against clones

[urban flax]

I didn't mention the fact that the multiplier would work ONLY for the dilo who summoned the clones, so packmembers cannot profit from it
Or maybe it would
But the amount of dilos wouldn't multiply the amount of clones spawned, so in the end it wouldn't be efficient to have multiple dilos in a pack

[eager socket]

@tame jetty not to a rude but respectfully those Maia in the first video as your example of it not being op are some of the worst Maia I’ve seen they weren’t landing knock overs and when they did they were not capitalizing stomps and where just button mashing plus the skill difference was pretty apparent. I would not call that a good example for your argument.

[urban flax]

(I also think making the clones apply damage multipliers instead of direct damage makes the venom mechanic more universal, because then venom=increases damage taken instead of it being species-specific)

[limber hull]

that dilo suggestion is a surefire way to just make dilo worthless

[urban flax]

Mine or the real damage's ?

[limber hull]

the one i cant downvote lol

also
"Dilo clone can not spawn ontop of objects like trees (herrera tree ect). And unnatural places where a dilo would naturally not reach
Dilo clone would not spawn underwater, because dilo can naturally not dive"

its a hallucination. its allowed to be unnatural

[wooden agate]

how are you blocked but i'm not

[limber hull]

idk why lol

[wooden agate]

discriminatory

[urban flax]

He's just like that

Being blocked is part of his personality at this point

[woven bane]

also @tender latch’s

[wooden agate]

hi i need your input on something while youre here

do you think it'd be somewhat good to base a troodon mimic mechanic off 939's mimic?

[eager socket]

They for sure needa make them stop spawning after it’s dead can’t name the amount of times I’d kill a dilo and die later to the endless horde of dilo clones because you stay envenomated for what feels like 20minutes after there dead

[limber hull]

eh. its venom, it should still matter after the dilo dies, imho

[wooden agate]

once again, bleed can kill you after a fight ends

why shouldnt venom be able to?

granted i will say the frequency in which they spawn could be altered

[eager socket]

I wouldn’t mind a ticing damage over clones that spawn ontop of me on rocks and that I have 0 way to avoid

[urban flax]

So you wouldn't mind damage that you cannot avoid over damage that you sometimes cannot avoid ?

[eager socket]

Ticing wouldn’t be nearly as severe as the full damage of a dilo bite from clone 57 that spawned in the tree with me

[urban flax]

So you want lower venom damage, not DoT instead of clones

[eager socket]

Something that forces the dilo to actually have to get involved with the fight beyond re envenomating once a century

[urban flax]

And making the venom DoT solves that ?

[eager socket]

I’m throwing ideas out

I can say I’ve been a victim of endless clones after wiping dilo groups and it is beyond annoying

Can’t heal cuz your own mind is damaging you

[wooden agate]

yeah, would it be any different than bleeding out after wiping a raptor group?

[urban flax]

"your own mind" in this situation being venom

[eager socket]

Very there are in fact perks to prevent that

Perks that depending on what I’m playing and what server I play on if it’s known to have lots of raptors or troodon I do in fact run

[eager socket]

Ya I mean it’s basically just emotional damage personified

[urban flax]

It's neurotoxic venom

[eager socket]

Ignoring that mud exists

[wooden agate]

theres one (1) perk that invalidates bleed damage once you sit (but instantly kills you as soon as you stand if your bleed is empty) and 1 that slightly buffs your bleed resistence by 15%, which is something i guess considering most animals have 0 bleed resistence

[eager socket]

Yes

[eager socket]

Plus mud exists

[wooden agate]

very situational lol

i wouldnt be upset if there was a salt lick equivalent for venom that could be placed around, but i dont think just because the dilos die that the venom magically just stops working

[eager socket]

I mean if they make like a little plant that if you are envenomated you can smell and eat to clear up the venom I’d be down

[wooden agate]

i wouldnt be opposed to something like that

i think dedicated spots similar to mud/salt licks would work better though, keeps a baseline of "if you are worried about x, stick around y"

offers more choice and room for error based death and/or thoughtful survival

[eager socket]

Ye ye

[woeful latch]

@woven bane pin does 400+ damage in 3 seconds?

👀👀👀

[woven bane]

hyperbolical but it does a lot

[woeful latch]

yeah true

[desert arch]

Its around 30dps iirc

[woven bane]

a bit more

[desert arch]

☝🤓

[woeful latch]

sounds balanced imo

i don’t like the mechanic tho, “pin” will never be balanced or fun imo

[woven bane]

6 seconds to dispatch a fg galli…

[woven bane]

it needs a rework

[woeful latch]

i think it’s impossible to make it fair

at least 2 can’t pin cera or carno anymore

[woven bane]

it’s possible. make it into an ambush move.

• smaller hitbox
• opponent can deal damadge back in retaliation (only applies if the victim is pinned from the front or both sides)

[woeful latch]

i think it’s mainly desync, i might be wrong tho

[woven bane]

desync is a big factor yes but the hitbox is also magnetic

[woeful latch]

but i tested carnos and dibbles hitboxes and they’re not as broken as people say, it’s just desync that makes things a lot worse than they are

[woeful latch]

hm, didn’t know that

[limber hull]

it isnt magnetic, but it is pretty omni favoured tbh

[woeful latch]

tbf last time omni pinned me was like when they just added grapple mechanic

i had no idea how it works and my teno instantly got pinned to the ground 💀

tho there was a funny bug, you could still use your attacks even when you’re pinned and i killed 2 of them ahah

[woven bane]

not literally but u get what i mean

[hidden mist]

#general-feedback message the only thing that is allowed to grow infinitely is Taco’s burrow. Nothing else can be that supreme.

Because ahctually in Te Ile lore the island gets completely devoured by the Glorious Taco’s The First Burrow by the end of time.

And then the universe collapses, which causes a second Big Bang.

I got a Master Degree in decephysics btw.

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message herrera dosent have much ai on it’s diet? and nah it isn’t easy to grow compared to things it’s size. can be a bit difficult to grow considering how fast it’s hunger drops, it’s extremely slow speed + short scent range

[wooden agate]

turtle, boar, fish, goat, bullfrog, chicken, crab

[limber hull]

it has more AI on its diet than literal troodons iirc lol

[maiden anvil]

@pseudo gate I gotta say that it looks pretty but will it serve well for gameplay? I imagine that type of forest is dense and with smaller plants so idk if it would work well with larger dinos

Maybe I’m wrong tho

[pseudo gate]

you can make it fictionally huge, remember a lot of plants are genetic modified so yeah

if they don't want to make them bigger, they could be better sanctuaries tho, current one are pain in ass to travel as something small, so it could be alternative

[maiden anvil]

Yeah that could work. I could also see a good opportunity for smaller predators to ambush prey from

[pseudo gate]

yeah

[woven bane]

tbf chicken, frog and crabs are rare + barely gives anything. fish is pretty risky to get. it also dosent have the most common ai on its diet.
that being taco and deer (boar is an exception)

[past kindle]

#general-feedback message

The venom resistance mutation is genius! It could be unlocked by getting bit by a dilo and getting to stage 3 and surviving

I wonder if there's some mod who scrolls through feedback and actually tells the devs because these ideas are incredible

[indigo gulch]

Sometimes a dev leaves a reaction emote to it

[neat scroll]

@surreal yew
Bringing back an old map would just break a lot of the playables that have been developed since then. But there's no reason why we can't take these improvements to a new map, which if server pop isn't going to change, ought to be thought of sometime soon.

Though in fairness, it's not all the maps fault. Everyone complains we don't have more plains areas, but then avoids the massive and gorgeous plains all around the volcano and NE like it's not literally what everyone wants.

It seems to me that east plains got removed because east plains and NE plains were identical, and they wanted to break up the biomes a little. I don't think a swamp was the right call, but I get not wanting one massive continuous plain, and they still left us a gorgeous one.

Everyone complains that AI spawn there is bad, but genuinely, I think it's because people never play up there and don't know where to look. As someone who does play there a lot, those plains and surrounding jungles are bountiful as hell in terms of both PZ's and AI.

[eager socket]

@tame jetty a universal attack reaction improvement is needed

[eager socket]

@cinder haven what purpose does carno need a stun for? It’s not like it’s gonna effect anything bigger than it and everything its size or smaller already is tough enough to deal with a half competent carno. As a whole the buffs aren’t bad but a stun of any kind for the carno is a terrible idea that would make it super strong outa no where

In fact that’s kinda what caused it to get nerfed

[cinder haven]

I think it would be more fun to stun with a single hit like the old expansion 6.5 would be more fun anyway, and also cera utah dılo can cope with it.

[eager socket]

Ignoring that 5-10 seconds is a INSANE stun time

[cinder haven]

10-5 seconds waiting time is already barely spinning

[eager socket]

So basically you just want carno to be op

[cinder haven]

You've got it all wrong.

Stun every 5 or 10 seconds

[eager socket]

Enlighten me

[cinder haven]

every 5 seconds or 10 seconds stun or head attack

[eager socket]

“The duration of the stun could range from 5-10 seconds, depending on the developers”

Read your own post rq

[wooden agate]

iirc maoha uses a translator for alot of his stuf

[cinder haven]

what should I do if my translation is wrong, brother, there are already many mistakes, I am correcting it, wait

[eager socket]

Mmmmm that would make sense

[cinder haven]

yes

[eager socket]

Didn’t know you used a translator

But that doesn’t change my point that a carno stun would put it back to a point of being extremely over powered. And if that were to happen its next nerf would hit even harder. More damage, health , stam even sure but not a stun

[woven bane]

carno OP plz nerf

stego weak plz buff

[cinder haven]

Look, when the carno accelerates, it makes a sound called GRRR, and we can't turn anyway, so don't touch it while you're running, or stun if you haven't noticed us.

also cera and utah are a little more difficult, already today I played horde test carno, I had a lot of trouble, it is easier to buy cere and language.

[woven bane]

it kinda needs that knockdown distance reduced though since it’s damadge is pitiful now

[cinder haven]

I've corrected the typo, by the way.

[eager socket]

[cinder haven]

I think it should drop instantly to 6.5 like it used to, when it holds, it already drops instantly when a mistake is made at the right time.

[eager socket]

Wdym

[cinder haven]

[eager socket]

EH YO

Where’s bro going?

[desert arch]

Notice how 2 charges didnt even get the omni to orange

Thats just sad

[woven bane]

fully charged aswell

knockdowns are needed

[desert arch]

?

[cinder haven]

obs

[woven bane]

he’s speaking ur language

[eager socket]

I’m all for being back carno damage and a sizeable weight buff but a stun is going to far it had one before and it was hell

[cinder haven]

I think this player used the wrong tactic.

[woven bane]

he did

he ran back into that charge

[cinder haven]

It was already 6.5 and there was a little bit of trouble, but now the cera buff ate utah is already very strong dilo clone telebort in unity, carno can stun you in one hit.

Also, 1.3-1.5 will be the most that can happen.

[desert arch]

An omni has to horribly misplay TWICE vs a fully powered charge and it doest even lose half of its hp lmao

[eager socket]

1.6 or 1.7 wouldn’t be terrible plus if it gets it’s damage back up it will hold its own against a cera

[cinder haven]

Also, let's not forget about denio, I need to prepare a much, much bigger backstory for him. I played denio, I played horde and I saw some terrible things.

[woven bane]

if this dosent prove that carno is underperforming idk what will

[cinder haven]

I think it's 1.5, but the one-hit stun is very good + bıte speed

[woven bane]

yes very bad turn radius now

[eager socket]

Stun just ruins the game if it is garanteed wipe

[cinder haven]

Don't you know! They've abolished the so-called speed out of the water!!

[desert arch]

Problem is, if you give charge more dmg its just gonna bully cera and teno again

Make it knock down small things easier, then it wont suck vs the things its supposed to hunt

[cinder haven]

teno tail blow this engleer utah escapes by turning, including dilo cera will not be mal anyway, he will escape in some way, we will also be able to throw it for 10 seconds + the animal cannot turn anyway

[eager socket]

Like teno tale is a decent example of a good stun doesn’t 1 shot anything of decent size after the normal combo and still survivable

[cinder haven]

I'm not in favor of either offense to do more damage

[cinder haven]

yee

[tight iron]

teno tail slam imo is the most reasonable stun attack

it locks you in an animation but gives you the ability to stun + has a lot of range

[wooden agate]

i would not mind carno ram damage scaling with how long you ram

[eager socket]

The problem is it’s a carnivore and we already see how teno players use their stun and how Maia was getting used do we really want carno to have a stun?

[cinder haven]

I'm sure he's stronger than a kick in the ass, isn't he?

[cinder haven]

yes

[tight iron]

yes

[cinder haven]

If I were teno, carno could never kill me alone, even as it is, 1.5 + stun bite sbeed

[eager socket]

So we want another op Dino that will immediately get nerfed AGAIN into the unplayable category like what happened to pachy

[woven bane]

that’s kinda the whole point of charging lol, should pachy’s stuns be removed?

[eager socket]

[cinder haven]

one carno it looks like a single tail strike or it doesn't hurt me much, but if there are 2, it's a bit of a problem, if there are 3, I have to play full tactical.

[desert arch]

Best case scenario for the carno a charge is 175dmg, only 25 more than tenos tail, thats really not a lot, especially because its only possible to targets that are smaller than it

[eager socket]

What stun

You play pachy recently?

[cinder haven]

aa pachy is already unplayable, he needs a buff, but I'm not looking at that side, someone else is already writing.

[woven bane]

yea i have. it can knockdown dilos and below

[cinder haven]

pachy neeed buff !

[tight iron]

it won't be op if it gets stuns like in 6.5

[eager socket]

Not consistently plus it’s bone breaks are none existent because game jsut decides no

[cinder haven]

he's right, pachy needs a buff.

[tight iron]

for example update 5 carno had stuns and was fine

[cinder haven]

then there was no stun.

[tight iron]

did its job correctly and the way it should

[eager socket]

But my point is if you give carno a stun it’ll become abused and over played and get nerfed again

[tight iron]

well you don't need to nerf things that already suck

[woven bane]

it is consistent and so are the fractures unless you hit the tail of your opponent

[cinder haven]

pachy buff !!!!!

this feature is enough pachy XD

[tight iron]

carno doesn't need to be like pachy

[woven bane]

skill issue, it’s not meant to brawl

[tight iron]

it doesn't need to be made useless, thrown under the rug and ignored

[eager socket]

I’ve played pachy every other Dino for the last like 2 or so weeks and I’ve barely been getting any breaks on anything even with charged m2s

[cinder haven]

pachy buff xd

[eager socket]

I’ll hit em but it just doesn’t reg or break

[woven bane]

strange, never had that issue

[eager socket]

I just don’t see a stun being good the knock down for smaller ones sure but anything beyond that is doing too much

[cinder haven]

I think we should give the tebk, let's not play pachy and if we don't play carno and DENIO we will give our

It's also said that when the trex comes, no one will look at your face, hear it from me.

[eager socket]

?

[cinder haven]

I was happier before I rented Deno 6 tons.

[eager socket]

I feel like the translation isn’t very accurate rn as I’m not understanding these scentences

[cinder haven]

the old one was more beautiful and stronger XD

[eager socket]

Ah those days duelling stegos

[cinder haven]

Yeah, they say we're not allowed to do that anymore. They can't kill anyone at the water's edge, that's .

[cinder haven]

so remove the click now everything is solved ✅

carno click on the game or just stay without comment X is very bad,

[eager socket]

No cuz I still don’t agree with stun

[cinder haven]

but I don't want to throw away 1 idea.

[eager socket]

You don’t have to for just me leave it I’m simply voicing my opinion

I simply can’t see a stun for carno helping do anything less than cause issues for it

[cinder haven]

Anyway, good night.👍🏻

[eager socket]

Good night

[wooden agate]

dont just sit there and let it bite you while its fractured omg???

yeah pachy sucks but god damn do better with what you have 😭

[cinder haven]

That's not me.

[wooden agate]

yeh im just referring to the video itself

that person should have been doing hit and runs especially considering they were already hurt

or frankly just run away

[lilac bolt]

@barren zephyr your not gonna get banned for saying feedback lol

[barren zephyr]

the isle mods have a history of banning people for critisism

I don't personally believe I'm gonna get banned, but it's certainly not impossible.

I bet if I was slightly more aggressive with it I'd already be gone

[lilac bolt]

if you can consider what the people that got banned said as critism yeah ig?

[barren zephyr]

A lot of the cases have been saying things like, "This game sucks and isn't worth playing." It's an opinion it doesn't require a permaban

[lilac bolt]

but as long as it's actual criticism and not just outright repetitive hate towards the game you'll be fine

[barren zephyr]

...most likely yes.

[boreal briar]

No, they really don't. Only time I've seen people saying that is when they've obviously omitted being spastics or asshats and then get mad because they received a ban for that while they also complained about the game. You can tell them the game's horrible, but "this game sucks" is not feedback for the feedback channel like so many seem to think

Telling them you don't like X or Y or other crapola is fine, just word it right and you're good.

[barren zephyr]

They most certainly have. Maybe peeps were overeggaterating, but multiple people who have left the isle's community have told me the reason they left was because they were forced out of the discord due to toxic mods. Perhaps those mods have left as they've never mentioned any names.

I'm not about to start an arguement over this. Just leave it, I never accused any specific invidiual of anything

[limber hull]

it literally is lol, it was released as a brawler-type dinosaur

[limber hull]

i've seen people be totally fine after saying that the game sucks. generally, the people getting "banned for criticism" tend to like to immediately say one of the funny slur words and get nuked, then blame their "critiques"

or just make their criticism an unhinged aggressive rant with zero actual feedback and just treating the feedback channel like a venting room because they personally dont like the game and need to make it everyone else's problem

[cinder haven]

heyyy do you think horde test denıo is a little too nerfed or is it in good condition, I just wanted to know your opinion

[limber hull]

too nerfed, but the fish thing is good

i like the fact it cant sustain on schooling fish, i dislike a vast majority of everything else

[cinder haven]

they also removed the event of getting out of the water fast, do you think trex will remain playing when he comes, despite being weakened so much?

[limber hull]

i think deino and rex are very different animals, and i dont see why rex would invalidate deino

[cinder haven]

because the rex can pitchfork the denio pitchfork, it has the specialty of keeping it in the snow, even if partially, then 1v1 stego can kill it, I feel like it will be more fun and easier to grow and it will be fun to play sub rex + rex can kill denio at the water's edge, but denio can't do it.

[limber hull]

if you only justify an animal's playability by what it can and can't 1v1, then you fundamentally misunderstand the point of the game

[cinder haven]

I believe that it was better and more fun before the denio 6 tone, the only function now is to avoid the adult adult stego drinking water, it is pointless to attack the adult stego, we can't kill it anyway, the only fun part is that it can hold a little other animals, but they are not much of a competitor.

playing denio is boring, can't turn in the water, we lose all the stego trades, in short, denio is no longer fun, from my point of view, smart players don't die in denio, it's very difficult, and I think trex will be able to do everything that denio couldn't do.

[limber hull]

i disagree

[cinder haven]

If this denio power was still in the game, then the color of the heat would change, as I said, they took us out of the water fast, so it is very difficult to die now. (except for new players)

[limber hull]

because rex can't dive, rex can't drown players, rex can't hold its breath longer than anything else, rex can't detect movement in the water, etc

deino is an entirely different animal. judging it only by its ability to kill basically means you have boiled down a unique playstyle to only mere kills

[cinder haven]

small differences are very boring trex will be more fun, so it will probably cost more, and it will also be new after playing the old one.

[limber hull]

deino's playstyle is entirely unique to deino, it is by no means a small difference

again, if you only justify a playable's worth by its killing potential, then you misunderstand the entire point of the game

[cinder haven]

I should say that the animal is boring for one thing, its movements are already very slow, and it is very difficult to kill experienced players, anyway, this new experiment is not for me.

[limber hull]

rather than focusing on deinosuchus being able to 1v1 stego, which frankly, it just shouldn't be able to do, focus on buffing other elements

water sense, attack variety, underwater vision could all do with improvements

also, the addition of more semi-aquatics would be super good for improving deino gameplay

[cinder haven]

Also, the possibility of such a scene is almost non-existent. If I were Rex, I'd immediately sub-attack him in the head (if the water is tight and I'm sure it's tight there.

[limber hull]

that would've never been a possible scene, no matter what

it's purely trailer flair

deino was never going to be a match for rex, devs said as much

[cinder haven]

then at the very beginning of the game I tried to kill 1v1 stego for years and suddenly they took it away from me only by changing the bite speed (it was not fair at that time, the experienced denıo could only kill the steg)

[limber hull]

deino shouldn't be 1v1ing stego with bites either

[cinder haven]

ahh so much yaızk I used to have dreams so much pity stego we're going to die now

[limber hull]

deino's niche is pretty hard set as an ambusher that targets significantly smaller prey and focuses on drowning

people need to stop obsessing over deino killing stego, because it makes no sense for something like deino to 1v1 stego on land

[cinder haven]

why does he have huge teeth, huge mouth, stego has a tiny head, normally he should only eat one, anyway, if the game developers don't want that, I'll kill stego, rex.

[limber hull]

fine, if all you care about is kills and not about playstyle, then rex is probably more for you anyways lol

[cinder haven]

It's fun.

[cinder haven]

now cera dilo and teno are fun, it's fun to hit the stego on the other stego's head, it's also fun to hit the stego on the other stego's head, and the only thing I do is not to kill the mafia, I build a nest, then I raise my puppies, and that's it.

[cinder haven]

Explain what you mean by the game style, kill or be killed in this game, this is the rule, no one will pity you, this is the case on eu servers or other servers.

[limber hull]

i mean literally playstyle. rex and deino do not play anything alike, besides both ambushing

you're comparing a semi-aquatic drowner to a land-based megapredator

they have entirely different environments and ways of hunting

[cinder haven]

one was fun before, the other didn't even come into the game, but it looks like it's going to be a lot of fun.

Also, the denio was very strong in its time, the trex had more biting power.

[limber hull]

then you're allowed to have fun with it lol, but don't act like it's the deino killer, because deino will still have its place and niche, even with rex

[cinder haven]

also if you notice nobody plays boring animals so much it is said that carno pachy it is hard to see them in the game come on carno anyway when I see them they just wander around and die but before diablo and stego mai came it was played a lot because diablo could kill everyone the point is that people play fun animals and do not play boring ones

[limber hull]

deino literally is a boring animal. it's a big gator that's designed to sit and wait for food to come to it

[cinder haven]

ooo I guess mai was added to the game, how nice, but I hope they fixed the bugs.

[cinder haven]

It doesn't have to be like this, we saw the proof of this in 6.5, anyway, hopefully with the update, maı can no longer throw daıblo stun, it was one of the biggest problems.

as in “blowing up”.

[eager socket]

Everyone out here wanting apex me seeking mid tiers cuz I know they are all I’m gonna play beyond the rare occasion

[neat scroll]

Deino is an ambush predator that doesn't engage in long form combat. Deinos niche is not and will never be fighting other dinos, especially not on land. A deino kill is fast, and frankly, also boring in the combat department.

That's not why you play deino, and clearly not playing it for combat exclusively is pretty popular because every server has like 20 deinos on it at least at any given time, and 90% of their gameplay is just sitting in a pond somewhere chilling.

How entertaining or engaging gameplay is isn't determined solely by combat. That's why people still play PT, and Beipi, and Galli, etc.. They're fun, and it's not because they can KOS everything on sight.

For that matter, that's the whole idea behind semi-realism and realism servers, which are incredibly well populated. People play on them because they don't like the constant PvP sandbox that is officials. They want to play for other reasons, often non-combat related ones.

[limber hull]

pretty much

deino is very much a game of patience and opportunity. long hunger time, fish to bide your time, a wide varied diet, the ability to eat rot/bones/its own kind. it's unique to itself, and it's also an extremely swift water predator for its size

[lilac bolt]

@formal onyx in regard to deino's turn

[limber hull]

also im playing teno and the accel feels exactly the same idk what thats all about

[formal onyx]

No, it was changed. (Also tested this change on an admin server)

[formal onyx]

Guess I gotta be camping the discussion channel now

Shouldn't have to rely on a discord message sent 10 days ago

[lilac bolt]

Just to let you know that's all

[formal onyx]

Thanks, just a lil irked whenever these sneak changes happen because this isn't the first time

[icy lion]

@inland vigil That's how rotten corpses work for cera

[inland vigil]

? Do they all give lines?

[icy lion]

No, they give the diet assigned to that animal, even if it's not on your list

IE maia is lipids for deino and omni iirc, so its rotten corpse will give lipids to cera

[inland vigil]

Ohh I see. I didn't know that
So Maia is always lines for everyone?

[icy lion]

Yup, except for the organs

[inland vigil]

Interesting
My bad then! That's nice :)

[lone summit]

So to go more in depth on what i said in #general-feedback why is there not a 'death button'? I am currently starving myself to death because unstuck didnt work. I could put in a request and hope that someone frees me but how long would that take? An instant death button would be such a welcome option to have in the event of something like a bugged dino or even if i am getting tired of the dino im playing and dont feel like finding a tall cliff. If there are any reasons why you think this is a bad idea i would love to hear them!

[olive hollow]

Why are the pteras immediately killing my tiny bird when i fish for food now?!?!?!?!?

it feels like PTs just get worse and worse treatment, and I've been playing since they came out...

[boreal briar]

Yeah that's a problem that got in from HT. I'm surprised they didn't just disable that again but

[olive hollow]

you can't even attack them to defend urself

it's dumb

[untold merlin]

Why is there sperm floating on my screen wtf 😂😂

[limber hull]

maybe clean it off before playing the isle

weirdo

[uncut zephyr]

What the hell

What’s wrong with you

[turbid portal]

But ya for sure the mini Ptra's need fixed or just taken out, im literally a full sized Pt getting bullied away from my fishing spot by ai's I can't even fight back but are a part of my diet or am I missing somthing here

[untold merlin]

Hahahaha no there is like whit squiggles

[midnight heath]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1319876162046132225 I'd like the evidence for "Stegosaurus was not agressive, it was very peaceful actually"

[limber hull]

grass eater

[midnight heath]

https://tenor.com/view/beasts-of-bermuda-kaperoo-the-isle-path-of-titans-gif-23526654

[limber hull]

honestly, an animal like stego would arguably be aggressive as hell

[midnight heath]

Given how bison and elephants are, for sure

[limber hull]

small brain + big weapon = it has one goddamn response to predators and it isnt complacency

[midnight heath]

Not even just predators, they just don't seem to tolerate much they don't like. Hippos, I'm looking at you.

I've genuinely never died to a stego unless I've walked up to it, been canni'd or been crippled. I don't know how people are consistently dying to them supposedly.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

i, and several others, literally did ask for a fish nerf lol

[junior nymph]

lol

[limber hull]

no one asked for a turn nerf, that's true though

[junior nymph]

all the deinos will riot against you

[teal fulcrum]

i'm sure you're the one who asked for it rly

[limber hull]

yea, i did. now they can buff other things about deino, hopefully

[teal fulcrum]

we'll see

[mystic parcel]

@formal onyx wdym teno has an acceleration movement nerf? do you mean maia?

[karmic plank]

To add to [this](#general-feedback message) some work to prevent it teleporting you inside of rocks on use would also be much appreciated.

[woven bane]

yes stuff around it’s size not something 5x it’s size. that pachy could’ve lived had he run away

[woeful latch]

@formal onyx #general-feedback message wdym they nerfed tenos acceleration?

[mental ridge]

thats a bug report not feedback

[frail prawn]

I dont understand why they'd give Deino horrible turn speed when it was never complained about unless there's another aquatic on the horizon that needed it nerf. 👀

[limber hull]

seemed like an error

at least, thats how dondi seemed to put it

[frail prawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/577038654552277012/1210948906712698910/cool.gif

Aaah ok, that's good to know. 😄

[woeful latch]

i mean, that error is in live branch now, looks like this is how it was intended

[neat scroll]

Nothing was intended. They dropped everything into the main branch because they wanted a holiday gift for players, but the HT started too late for anything reported to be meaningful or worked on. There's going to be a massive amount of patching once everyone gets back from holiday break because they released it broken to live up to holiday hype

[woeful latch]

we'll see

[cinder haven]

It is normal to see 200-160 server 20 denıo, and it is also normal to see 200-160 server 20 denıo, you would have done such a thing in the past, this was for the war before 6.5, but what did you do, you passed through the sea in one night.

[cinder haven]

also horde test I only saw 5 adults or 3 accept gateway together you killed that animal(he died for me)

[thorn blade]

Can someone help me fix this so I can play? Or is my device not good enough? 🥹🌝

[desert arch]

Try updating your drivers, if that doesnt fix it I fear youll need an upgrade to play the game

[wooden agate]

upvoted recent suggestion for the nutrient suggestion, not the AI one

[untold merlin]

Why is the fish 3 dots not working

Anyone know

[tired quest]

they just nerfed the fish to the ground
it give only 0.3% food and no nutrient now( to a fg )

[desert arch]

Check the patch notes in announcements
"Capped maximum schooling fish size to 10kg."

[untold merlin]

Well no point playing as deino now fml

[formal onyx]

@lapis comet @mystic parcel Yes, teno was given an acceleration nerf. It used to instantly be able to sprint but now it has a charge up. I've also tested this change and it's been proved

[tame jetty]

That was very not needed

[calm obsidian]

Are they planning to include the carnivores in these acceleration changes? Cause if teno needs time to get to full sprint speed, cerato and carno definitely do as well

[hidden mist]

I believe they should just revert Teno’s acceleration and Deino’s turn rate, lol. It was, indeed, not needed and, I hope, just bugged.

[tame jetty]

Exactly

[hidden mist]

Until what date are devs on a break, by the way? 20th January?

[hollow stump]

deino is ruined until there back thats for sure

[wooden agate]

the turn nerf was unintended but the fish one definitely was intended

[tired quest]

hope they are going to increase the value elite fish gives

[wooden agate]

@fading smelt isnt it already 30

i know trotting is 60 but i thought walking was 30ish

[woeful latch]

i think walking is only when your stamina is above 25%

not sure tho👀

[wooden agate]

i thought that was standing still D:

[woeful latch]

OH MAYBE

[wooden agate]

or no i thought standing still was 20 and walking was 30-40

[woeful latch]

@boreal vessel do /unstuck

[tight iron]

trotting is 60, walking is 40

[cold garden]

@boreal vessel there is a /unstuck command. It will only work if players are not next to you and unfortunately its new player unfriendly in the sense that it occassionally is talked about on the loading screen but there's no in game prompt otherwise lol

[eager socket]

@placid raven don’t challenge a full stego as deino

[placid raven]

I dont play deino.

and i never 1v1 a full grown stego as a deino if i was playing as one

[eager socket]

Don’t fight a stego as a Maia then

Your significantly faster just like walk away

Why even fight another herbivore that your walk is almost fast ther its sprint anyway

[placid raven]

Yea i dont fight stegs but from the pvp side of the isle i thought maia was supposed to be ''stronger'' than most of the dinos but it isnt even stronger than cera

1 cera can beat a maia...

But i guess thats the ''balance''

[eager socket]

Maia is mid or large tier

Stego is a apex

[eager socket]

If their skilled yes

[woeful latch]

one cera beats anything tbf
ahah

[eager socket]

Skill issue

[woeful latch]

real

[tranquil blaze]

I'd like to ask how much HP Troodon has now?

[placid raven]

You could search it up

Troodon the isle evrima

[placid raven]

Wheight = HP

[eager socket]

Very little

Bro is barely bigger than a dryo

I needa get a troodon horde going next time im off

[tranquil blaze]

thx，but why does someone on YouTube say it's 120hp?

[limber hull]

60

[limber hull]

its smaller than a dryo. hell, it's not even half the size of a dryo

[eager socket]

I mean they about the same in terms of physical size atleast

[placid raven]

They probably just want views and spread false information

[limber hull]

because at one point it did in a single horde test

[tranquil blaze]

Okay, thank you everyone.😂

[desert arch]

60kg so 60hp

[boreal briar]

@faint tapir not everything needs to be good in a 1v1. Herbivores are herd animals, they can group together and with other species for covering weaknesses

[limber hull]

if it cant flee it, it should fight it 1v1

[urban flax]

Herd animal

"All herbivores are herd animals" has the same vibe as "All carnivores are blood-thirsty killers"

[desert arch]

While I agree maia shouldnt be going toe to toe vs ceras, tenos and other similar sized stuff, its way too vulnerable to omnis and dilos rn

I could bully fully grown maias as a single omni, probably a dilo could do the same as well, probably even better

[woven bane]

use the water

[eager socket]

I mean…. Yes?

[desert arch]

[eager socket]

Maia does need abit better back kicks

But beyond that it’s in a good spot compared to first start of HT

[desert arch]

Quad attacks in general just suck all around, theyre slow, and they hit like a pillow for a 3.8T animal

[wintry cipher]

Here's something to consider:

1. Maia looks and plays like its built to be a tanky flight animal with CC
2. Its devoted to playing into the "Mother Lizard" trope. It, much like Galli, is reliant on herds as a mechanic, and especially babies
3. Does it have any underlying mechanics or buffs around its young yet? If not, then its not done yet imo and this might just be the baseline animal, while the expectation is it will be stronger typically with calves around.

Delayed attacks def need tweaking though. But otherwise for an animal of that speed and tankiness- low damage is expected. Thats the rule of the triad of balancing.

[desert arch]

They need a speed increase at the very least

[eager socket]

I’ll agree to these points

[wintry cipher]

i also think the players just need a bit to get used to it again

they said maia was weak before, and then they learned how to play it

[desert arch]

@echo bolt there is an unstuck button

[wintry cipher]

and it became WILDLY op

[faint tapir]

I don’t mind a Dino being weaker, that’s how a food chain works. It’s just in this case there’s such a weird feeling of “I’m in a helpless state of slow motion” relative to things around me.

[eager socket]

That too people got too comfortable with a super strong release and now can’t handle the rebound

[desert arch]

Imagine rex vs omni/troodon😄

[wintry cipher]

old maia absolutely was not appropriate when it came to carno tho

[desert arch]

Old maia casually invalidated half the roster, it wasnt just carno

I ran down dilos, omnis, tenos without a sweat

[faint tapir]

Funnily enough, for the longest time dibble was the opposite. It felt like playing at x1.25 vs everything else if you knew how to move.

[wintry cipher]

also, in regards to maia being weak to dilos and omnis:

• take speed perk
• take stam gain from damage
• take bleed resist
  swim, run, swim, run, and watch them just fall to the wayside. omni had to use stam to even hurt you. you have way more stamina than them at base

[woeful latch]

i tested kicks few hours ago, they’re as fast as tenos kicks

[wintry cipher]

dilo is slow in the water

[faint tapir]

And reach half your tails length, so things tail bite you without taking dmg. Tried and tested

[wintry cipher]

unless there's a super well coordinated pack of 6+ omnis running you along a planned gauntlet or you just sit and fight like a goof, theres no reason for you to die

[woeful latch]

hitbox is fine, it shouldn’t have legacy snipes lol

[boreal briar]

Well to be fair, it's the dicks that cannibalize other herbivores, I feel like they really are meant to team up for mutual benefit in this game.

[eager socket]

It’s the damage it’s weak damage

[limber hull]

that's more telling about the overpowered nature of perks though, not maia

[wintry cipher]

if perks did not exist, advice would be the same

because those perks only shift the base that already exists

maia is fast. maia has a load of stamina. and maia swims fast

the only question would be the bleed resist but bleed doesnt do much until below 50% hp

which is kind of counter intuitive and the reason it takes 30+ pounces to bleed a teno out

[woeful latch]

the damage is amazing wdym

[eager socket]

That’s debatable

[woeful latch]

its 200 or 250

[woeful latch]

and kicks are most likely means also a headshot

its 2 kicks to kill an omni, 3 to kill the dilo

the damage is good.

[eager socket]

Meh but it’s quintuple the size of them

[desert arch]

Good luck landing 2 kicks on an omni though

[eager socket]

Yea

[desert arch]

Its just way too slow

[eager socket]

With such a small hb it’s hard cuz of how desync hits hard

[desert arch]

And also has way too much endlag

[woeful latch]

dont want to sound rude, but its a little skill issue and maia aslo has other attack

[eager socket]

I will say omni lung desync is hell

[woeful latch]

slow? it kicks with the same speed as teno does, it can literally spam

tested that few hours ago

[lilac bolt]

did they fix it?

[desert arch]

I still had a far easier time punishing maias for kicking

[woeful latch]

probably, because its really fast

i might record it later

[lilac bolt]

alr

[north quiver]

if you think that’s bad, you don’t even want to see the hitboxes for the kicks lol genuinely the worst and wonkiest ive ever seen. I recommend testing it out if you haven’t already

the side kick hitbox has been shifted literally up its body towards its chest and the back kick is a giant triangle

[woeful latch]

how bad they are?

[desert arch]

I have, it doesnt even reach half of the tail

[north quiver]

horrible

[woeful latch]

oh

[hidden mist]

Yeah, I have tested Maia just now. It's so unresponsive in attacks, stances just, like, switch on their own will (prolly because I was getting bitten?). Stamina consumption is a bit overkill now too, I would say.

[north quiver]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/jkg46mqdCLxrqAOZe?invite=cr-MSw2aTgsMjA5MzEzNTU5LA

[hidden mist]

If only the end lag was WAY less, and you had an indicator for stances, and they would change only if YOU pressed the button, Maia would be a ton nicer.

But for now, it gets stuck in kicks animation for a decade (even when it, like, ended, you still stand still because idk), and good luck to know what attack you'll actually use next...

[hidden mist]

Bluetooth ahh attack.

[woeful latch]

idk, stamia is alright. i think the stomp should cost even more since it does insane amount of damage

like 6%

[hidden mist]

Well, maybe. Just... This, including all the other stuff makes Maia a bit of unviable for me, for now.

It's just too clunky.

[eager socket]

Kicks further foward than backwards

Bruh

[north quiver]

yea it’s a wonky triangle hit box. the side kick is useless because it reaches just as far as the back kick but it’s a smaller triangle and goes farther up the side. you’re better off back kicking only if you want a chance to hit something

[eager socket]

But why

[north quiver]

because hit boxes

[eager socket]

[echo zenith]

How many people can we have in a group?

[eager socket]

As what

[echo zenith]

Gali

[eager socket]

A lot

How many people you plan to play with?

[wooden agate]

around 8 iirc

[eager socket]

Note not everyone technically needs to be in one group

[echo zenith]

Im capping at 4 people I had a whole set of eggs

[eager socket]

Odd

Should be more than that but I mean y’all can still run with eachother

[echo zenith]

And i'm having trouble being able to feed them, I just keep eating dirt

[eager socket]

Omnivore struggles

[boreal briar]

@thorn prism Now I want to eat a baby Hypsie as a Goose

[green niche]

they really, really arent

[chilly ermine]

@inland vigil Deino and Cera gain diet from rotting meat. The diet will be what ever it's default diet it is for all other carnivores.

That's why deino gets diet from rotten schooling fish

[eager socket]

But like……. Name a carnivore that won’t catch smoke if hungry

[green niche]

what? eating when hungry is not the same as being a bloodthirsty killer. the latter refers to 'attack everything on sight' like how they try to make carnivores in many films and video games (e.g. how skyrim wolves will attack you on sight but irl wolves (excluding arctic wolves) will generally do their best to avoid humans unless sick)

[inland vigil]

i was already told this! thank you though

[eager socket]

@lofty shore scroll up in #balance-feedback

[lofty shore]

alr thx

[woven bane]

this needs a nerf

[woeful latch]

LMAO AHAHA

[wooden agate]

the main thing it needs is a hitbox reform imo

[north quiver]

I’d say a change rather than a nerf because it’s so ass lmao if you nerf that hitbox without giving it other buffs in different ways it’s not hitting squat

[woeful latch]

i was fighting maia on norden this morning, i thout the hitbox was just desync

[north quiver]

already insanely easy to avoid and bait the hits

[woeful latch]

but i guess its not ahah

[woven bane]

sure it’s not performing so well in other areas but that dosent justify this ridiculous hitbox

[north quiver]

it needs a whole list of changes

[lofty shore]

WHAT

[cinder haven]

You can't be a , why didn't anyone properly control the water animal's hitbox?

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message idk why people are disagreeing with this when its fundamentally true lol

[woeful latch]

because half of the community thinks the isle is a pvp game and it’s really annoying for them when their op strat is getting nerfed.

it’s the same reason why some players are mad and want maia to be like it was in ht

tho i’ve never seen anyone posting a feedback on how speed mutations are great and good for the balance.

and tbf the only reason anybody would like for speed mutations to stay in the game is just so they can keep messing with the balance

you don’t need that 5% to travel around the map, it’s only for killing others and playing like it’s just pvp deathmatch

[fickle sleet]

getting speed mutations is simply a waste of slots u must get it because all the sweats get it its annoying u can do it but its a waste

[woeful latch]

pretty much, yeah

[pine bone]

Because of these speed mutations if you don't waste 2 out of 3 mutation slots on speed you can't run away or fight at all, just becomes a tail riding game again

[boreal briar]

I almost never take these speed mutations. The only time I use them is on Gali to reach Mach 10, and sometimes Carno if I don't have other ones I'd prefer. I really think people are making mountains outa mole hills.

[wooden agate]

dilo catching up to carno with speed mutation

cerato completely invalidating pachy with a speed mutation

maia's insane speed with speed mutation

and the list will only expand with the more animals are added

[boreal briar]

So they get a tiny boost to their speed, I really don't see it as a problem

Cera wants my patchy? Time to jump onto something

[wooden agate]

that tiny boost is enough to cause incredible issues

[wooden agate]

except they removed like half of the objects animals that can jump can actually jump onto lol

so if a cera with a speed mutation sees you as pachy, youre just dead

"break its bones!" cera has inherent fracture resistence

[boreal briar]

Doesn't feel that way with me but hey, I'm constantly hiding anyways so I never make it a race

[frail prawn]

Eat to heal, damage to stam and the speed mutations completely crap all over being able to hunt in this game honestly.

Any chances of ambushing and catching anyone off guard is nun with them.

[boreal briar]

Eat to heal and damage to stam I can agree on. At least they finally made the eat to heal a proper percent. Before it was one bite heals all

[frail prawn]

I dont know what compelled them to make those 4 mutations honestly, they're broken and ruin the ''survival'' of the game when all they do is give people more chances of being reckless.

[wooden agate]

its actually better for larger creatures now, id say its worse in some cases lol

[gusty flax]

@pseudo dagger tons = health

so if the rex is double the weight of stego then its gonna have double the health too

buit pretty sure rex is 9 tons

[wooden agate]

12 TON REX?

[pseudo dagger]

yup

[wooden agate]

what the hell 🔥

absolutely not, especially not when stego is supposed to actually be able to fight rex

[pseudo dagger]

maybe 10

[gusty flax]

i think its 9 ton lol

[pseudo dagger]

rex is twice as big

[wooden agate]

rex was shown to be 9.35t in a stream. obviously thats not final but still

[gusty flax]

who says

[pseudo dagger]

look it up lol

[gusty flax]

ye lol

[wooden agate]

have you personally seen rex compared to stego in game

because frankly i dont care what rex is irl. this game isnt strictly realistic

[pseudo dagger]

nope, but i know they downscaled it fsr

[wooden agate]

the highest rex estimates barely put it below 11 tons, and those are few and far between

[gusty flax]

well if you want a balanced game then dont make it 12 tons

[wooden agate]

if carno can be 1300kg, rex can be 9350kg

[pseudo dagger]

10 tons

[lilac bolt]

it allows them to catch up and do damage to things they otherwise wouldn't be able to. it fundamentally breaks the set balance that the game has

[gusty flax]

why do you comment on what it should be before you even play it

[pseudo dagger]

bc it makes no sense if it were tiny

[gusty flax]

like if devs have it 9.3kg then let it be

ok critize the size when it actually comes out and you play it

[pseudo dagger]

will do

[gusty flax]

😢

not looking good

[lilac bolt]

check it again

[pseudo dagger]

ok?

[lilac bolt]

tiny?

[boreal briar]

I'm mean, technically since the mutations are a mechanic, they're a part of the balance of the game. It just makes it more dynamic instead of a fixed thing. It's up to the player to decide what mutation they want, they don't have to do a combat meta.

[wooden agate]

"they dont have to do a combat meta" directly contridicts what a meta is

[boreal briar]

I'd rather have most of the other mutations over the tiny speed and heal boost

[wooden agate]

you are at an inherent disadvantage if you dont pick the speed mutations because they are by far some of the most common mutations

[boreal briar]

I mean, healing and damage to stamina sure, those are definite combat only. But the speed one is just for pure running over a longer distance. I don't see it as that big of a deal

[wooden agate]

@azure ruin #general-feedback message planned

[boreal briar]

If I have your scent, there's a good chance you aren't getting away anyways even with a small speed boost

[azure ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/huzzah-frazzled-gif-5544331

[lilac bolt]

it can be used for combat advantage

[azure ruin]

Ok I am happy now

[wooden agate]

iirc don is bringing back the old albino canni idea

[azure ruin]

OH PLEASE

That'd be awesome

Gimme skrunky albino

[boreal briar]

Albino? That would be brutal, but very useful.

Still wont stop the turds that just kill their own kind for the sake of killing though

[azure ruin]

But they'll be easily distinguishable

[wooden agate]

granted it will likely be locked to the canni mutation so if theyre killing just to kill, i dont think itll apply to them

[boreal briar]

Yeah, which means they will still be a big problem. Would probably cut down on the amount of people who grab the canni mutation though. Hopefully

[azure ruin]

I hope in a way they won't be able to group but Idk how that'd work out.

[boreal briar]

Ah like it forbids them from joining groups after eating their own kind? That'd be kind of a neat idea too, they can only join with other outcast cannibals.

[azure ruin]

Yeah basically!

They'd still get the benefit of a pack while giving 'healthy' individuals a chance to be able to spot a cannibal

[cinder haven]

@marsh hedge Before the horde test ended, we said this problem many times, no one listens to us, they did not solve other problems, in short, it is pointless to write about denio, they do not listen to us anyway.

[woven bane]

i love how you mention the playable that is underperforming lol. the weight nerf to it was a mistake

[tight iron]

rex is 9350kg btw

[lilac bolt]

can possibly change by the time it releases but we'll see

[azure ruin]

I just wonder why deino gets nerfed along with everything else but stego stays the same?

[woven bane]

unintentional change hopefully it’s reverted back next hordetest

[cinder haven]

YES

[cold garden]

Maia has a backwards kick to defend its rear ( I believe its alt + left click on all fours and looking behind you ). while its a weird amount of button inputs to achieve that goal it can defend its backside at least.

[ancient crypt]

I give up. Pteradons are impossible to play on official with the changes.

[tame jetty]

@coarse spruce I like ur idea switching speed mutation, for trot speed mutation

[urban bear]

@raven sky How can you tail ride Maia if it can kick?

[raven sky]

The kick is still quite slow and easy to dodge and on top of that doesn't do that much damage in my experience

[urban bear]

While it can be easy to dodge its still not terribly hard to land if someone is attempting to ride you. No it doesn't do insane damage but its enough to make someone get off your rear

And Maia almost always has the ability to just run away

[tame jetty]

The kick is useless most likely against a fast creature, and specially a pack

[tame jetty]

Tell that to a dilo. ||which is quicker, and had clones||

[tame jetty]

Also imagine you've a dilo pack on you, you go slow to kick him off your tail ass (because ure forced to go slow to kick) The dilo you kick, IF HE DONT DODGE, well, the pack ruin you over. And if the dilo u kick at dodge, because the kick so slow, so predictable and absolutely never start in time when you click ur key, well dilo just gained 2-3 free body head hits, now u venom up ur bum an wallah, u dead

[limber hull]

absolutely not what the speed is used for. Speed is crucial in hunts. Wanna outrun a cerato as tenonto? Not if it has the speed mutation and you don't. Now good luck keeping pace away from it. Same applies to pachy.

Wanna hunt dilos as carnos? Well they outrun your base speed with speed mutations, so they might end up hunting you. Same with raptors suddenly being able to hunt down the less agile and unable to jump dilos, with absolutely nothing a dilo can do to escape.

[valid zephyr]

@coarse spruce I like that one! Moving the speed boost onto trot instead of sprint.

[tame jetty]

Agreed, makes it useful but not a must by all means

[hollow mirage]

Compared to teno isn't its kick pretty terrible?
From fighting a maia as a herra its kicks were pretty sad to witness I don't think it hit a single one of us

[mystic parcel]

im playing teno rn and I do not experience this. instead teno actually got a tail slam buff(you get knocked down).

[coarse spruce]

best part is it doesnt even have to stay 5%. Could be at most 15% and I don't think it would affect player-v-player gameplay, just the quality of life for those who move around the map a lot

[limber hull]

wdym buffs to tail slam?

[limber hull]

15% would absolutely make it meta again

[mystic parcel]

stuns other tenos unless this always been a thing

[limber hull]

always

[mystic parcel]

ah good 2 know

[coarse spruce]

Maybe I was being hyperbolic

[barren crater]

you mean knock?

[mystic parcel]

yea oop

[barren crater]

that hasn't always been a thing btw.

[mystic parcel]

always mesh them 2 by accident

[narrow narwhal]

@azure ruin the different appearance of cannis was already planned / mentioned in a previous devblog a few months back

[full heart]

Deinos are unplayable…Fix the deinos movement back to the way it was, and fix the fish..: can’t survive at all on fish or elites…

[north quiver]

@valid oracle even reduced running stam cost would lead to balance issues. the carb diet was meta back when that was a thing. you could easily out stam things like teno as a cera, outstam other ceras, and basically out stam any individual from the same species or other species with similar stam and similar speed. it was a combat changer

essentially another “if you don’t pick this, you will simply die to someone that has this or a group that has this because they have more stam”

anything that affects bleed, damage, health, speed, or stam in any way is a red flag

[valid oracle]

right, thought this would be a bandaid fix for this mutation without a major rework to make it not a must pick, example pachy no longer gets run down by cera with a speed mut but instead it might get outstammed if its a really long chase and you cant find any rocks

[north quiver]

yea the best bet is to just remove the mutations affecting those combat elements

[valid oracle]

now it would be around 10% slower consumption, not too strong but still makes a decent difference in the long term

i believe it's unlikely to affect combat drastically because you usually will get below 60% stam while fighting so it's pretty tough to get it back above that, would leave you with just a bit extra stam

i'd also keep the health regen increase but just at 5%

[junior nymph]

@dense pebble wdym a problem that hardly exists hotspoting was a problem ALWAYS the cooldowns did not fix it due to people just being to pick the spawn closest to HL and south the cooldown minimized the problem it was not the solution and just wait till they add the spawn codes (they said this update but turns out they did not which is fine)

[haughty folio]

I mean I feel it depends on the animal

5% increased speed means that every second of running brings you 5% further than normal

If you run for 60 seconds, that's a total of 3 extra seconds worth of distance

120 seconds is an extra 6 seconds

That said, you can't just do a 1:1 speed increase to stam cost decrease, because 1.05x speed is not equivalent to 0.95x drain

0.95x stam drain would result in roughly 0.2% increased distance over 5% increased speed, but take slightly longer to achieve

0.9x would be even more potent, being comparable to a 1.11x speed modifier

Sprinting stam drain is also incredibly potent to have for many animals close in speed, since even 1 second not running while the other is may be enough to close the gap and flip an interaction that would otherwise be straightforward

This is why, back in Spiro and earlier iterations of the diet system, triple-carbs was meta; it let you run longer, and thus catch things that weren't running the same diet combo

Essentially you trade a burst catch problem for an endurance problem

[dense pebble]

and now people just kill themselves until they spawn close enough. Im just saying for more casual players just add the spawn codes at the same time as removing the spawn selection. Its boring

and hotspotting is far from gone thanks to ai spawn algorithms

[junior nymph]

you read the dev blogs?

[dense pebble]

Occasionally but probably not what you are specifically referencing

[junior nymph]

you know about what I said spawn codes? heard of them or nah

[dense pebble]

No but im assuming its random spawn with a friend?

[limber hull]

pretty much, yes

[junior nymph]

yeah you will spawn with a code where your friends of the same species can spawn together

[limber hull]

or group of friends

[dense pebble]

Yeah that would be a great solution. I guess my point is, dont remove spawn selection until an alternative is available then

[limber hull]

nah, removing it was still a necessity imho

[junior nymph]

yeah

[dense pebble]

I just dont see how it fixes hotspots

[limber hull]

ive seen it ever since the change was made

playerspread is still much higher even now

[dense pebble]

like you can just sit at the lake south east of the volcano and watch fresh spawn omnis drown themselves repeatedly.

I just travel around the entire map and i have seen more player spread, but more in my experiences on HT and live now have been 1-2 more dinos somwhere ive never seen one

but that just leads to a different problem of needing more slots but that isnt an easy fix.

And again, good luck finding AI if youre anywhere but a hotspot

[spare charm]

can someone explain to me when any living creature other than maybe an earthworm has vision THIS bad during the day in the rain?? cuz im not sure about you but im pretty sure i could be 80% blind and see more than this.....

[cinder haven]

yes, we told this problem many times in the horde test, but again no one listened to us.

[indigo gulch]

1000% why I play deino :3 ambuuuush. but sadly I need to worry about cannibalism more than ambushing :/

[smoky orchid]

it seems like they completely ignore these channels lol

[cinder haven]

I think yes

[smoky orchid]

some changes have been requested for months and they don't do anything

[cinder haven]

[woven bane]

@limber hull that’s just when nesting and is a general problem not just for diablo, happend to me the other day when i was on pachy

[limber hull]

it happened well before nesting

[woven bane]

but u could invite them after they got past the hatchling stage no?

[limber hull]

nope

i need further testing but it seems the max group is 2

[full heart]

with the way things are now that’s all you get.. Cannibalism. It’s sad. I like to play the game. Chill in my little river, nest some babies in. Nesting is gonna be harder now since AI is trash for Deinos. Definatly not enough to sustain life lmao

[hidden mist]

Could someone please share a video of a weird Maia's kick hitbox? I want to add it into my feedback... xd

[raven sky]

@sick gale Leave cera alone man. What's with everyone's obsession to gut him? He's not even OP anymore and is basically the only good hunter right now (dilo is busted so it doesn't count). When the real large game hunters come around cera will be pushed back to scavenging.

Also you say nerf the stam but then say it should hunt through endurance? First that makes no sense, second cera isn't exactly fast so it's already an endurance hunter.

[sick gale]

When 2 ceras can bob and weave around FG stegos and win, I'd say cera still performs better than it should. If it's a scavenger, it needs to scavenge, not take down prey 4x its size.

Nerfing the stam pool would prevent cera from being able to endlessly run circles around what it's hunting. But with good stam regen it can just keep following the tagged victim and wear them down faster than they can heal/regen stam.

[boreal briar]

@glossy helm because you don't count as everyone

If you were gone for so long you gotta try and relearn how to find AI, or play as an herbivore if you want an easier time eating.

[golden horizon]

@glossy helm Skillissue

[raven sky]

When two ceras win against a stego there's two possibilities. Either the stego was absolutely terrible or the ceras were really skilled. Cera has no room for mistake because if it gets hit it's either dead or extremely low. If they go a whole fight with no mistakes then their skill should be rewarded. A pack of mid tiers hunting a relatively small apex is not a problem.

If it runs out of stam fast then it's not an endurance hunter even if it can regen it fast. Being an endurance hunter should mean that it puts constant pressure while chasing until the target is forced to stop and fight. If it has to sit in the middle of a chase then the target can just run away and since the tracking mechanic is not reliable that's a lost hunt unless the target is stupid and just runs in a straight line.

[sick gale]

I think there's a limit to how much skill should be rewarded. The fact that cera is able to punch up the roster so far, while no other dino can, is already indicative of it overperforming.

You also shouldn't be running out of stam. You just have to change to a trot to keep your stam regen going once you start skirting the 75% threshold. Scavenging should always be preferred, as it would be a guaranteed meal. But if you have to resort to hunting, it would be in short consistent bursts.

I'm open to the idea of bacteria affecting target's stam regen, also, or making them puke on their own while they are sick. But I'd be curious to see how a cera performs with the initial proposed build first.

[desert arch]

A fully grown stego losing to 2 ceratos is just skill issue on the stegos part tbh

And I would even question how it got to adult

[raven sky]

Most dinos can punch up. Troodon can solo omnis and I'm pretty sure I've seen a video of one soloing a dilo. Raptor can punch up. Dilo can also punch up a lot. The only carnivores that can't punch up are ptera (it isn't even supposed to) and carno (it's just terrible).

Literally everything can do that. As I said if you're trying to be an endurance hunter then you should not have to stop the pressure on the target in order to not run out of stam. This just goes straight against the concept of endurance hunting.

Scavenging is still preferred. I doubt anyone in game passes by a free meal and is like "Nah, I'm quite hungry but I think I'm going to take my chances with that dibble over there instead."

[desert arch]

Not to brag, but

Althought soloing dilos and omnis is only possible if they decide to not run away, if they do, its not doable in the slightest

[woeful latch]

i like how pounce hitbox just ignores the dilos alt attacks ahah

[desert arch]

The damage of it is delayed, thats why it works

[cobalt sorrel]

Dryo really needs a buff/change or something... honestly I wish they would stop adding dinos in until they fix some of the older ones but that seems to be the issue with most/all dino games now

[wooden agate]

dryo has burrowing planned, but its really not needed for dryo right now lol

dryo is pretty great at surviving, its just not very unique

its incredible at combat with things its size, and even things larger sometimes. dryo can 1v1 a 1 ton maia

a 600kg cerato as well

but i wouldnt say anything about dryo is especially bad

[cobalt sorrel]

its diet is just god awful

[lilac bolt]

@thorn prism it is an option for community servers

[thorn prism]

Oh... I thought it was just global chat. Womp womp

[lilac bolt]

oh misread your post lol my bad yeah group chat would be cool

[thorn prism]

Lol all good. Yeah it would be neat, more unofficial server variety

[golden horizon]

@gloomy flame I dont agree with your statement, but just so you know you can also run away from anything above a dilo

@spiral stump also 8 ton dinos shouldnt be moving around super fast

[spiral stump]

fax, one thing i hated about it

obviously there are still very quick at snapping back at their tail etc but the new movement is much more realistic, i feel so much more immersed

[woven bane]

600KG cera? yea it can if the cera let’s it

[desert arch]

you act like you werent the one that got solod LOL

[woven bane]

what?

as a fresh spawn cerato

[desert arch]

dont make me post the clip 😛

[woeful latch]

👀

glazed almost killed my 350kg teno tho

so it’s more about the skill

[north quiver]

it physically hurts me that at 0:13 you didn’t get snatched by that alt bite, but when I try it, I get snatched from 3+ feet away or snatched right off the side from the most late alt bite possible

[woeful latch]

tbf i just 4 called, that’s how i survived.

[desert arch]

Im shrimply better🥔🤙

[woven bane]

desync. an issue that will never be solved… prob

[reef lance]

Is anyone able to forage for gastroliths? Seems like the animation just stops after a second for me

[cold crater]

This is the screen I get most of the time because there isn't anything to eat. And the stamina drops far too quickly, it's stupid. What's the point of having the ptera in the game.

[lilac bolt]

if you want help with maintaining ptera stam just tap space with the flap of your wings or slightly aim it upwards with your camera it'll help with longer flights.

I know it can be annoying but it's the main things to do rn

[cold crater]

Camera angle has no effect🙄

[icy lion]

Looking just barely above the horizon and holding W is way more stamina efficient than holding space or looking up steeply

[deep heart]

it is tresh.. they spawned in me when i take fish...

[fathom sorrel]

I feel the developers no longer care what the player base wants and will only do what they want and just 'allow' us to play their game and deal with whatever decisions they make.

The fact they haven't given any attention to the pachy, and keep nerfing the predators to the point they are no longer fun. It just feels as though everyone in their office, plays herbivores or dilo.

Let alone the fact of the constant changes is not a healthy mindset if they want to maintain a strong player/playability of the game. The way this game 'development' is going, it is never going to be truly released as a full game, just so the developers can keep changing it whenever they want.

[lilac bolt]

what are you talking about they still listen to feedback and to the playerbase? what nerfs to predators are talking about specifically?

they can't do everything we ask and we are not owed for them to do so. the devs are free to develop the game as they see fit simple as that

I get it's frustrating to have issues last for long periods of time but there's nothing we can do but hope they address them soon

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-adele-instagram-live-adele-funny-adele-meme-adele-instagram-live-meme-gif-17749583282621837294

me trying to find where we get paid to be game designers (we dont, so we have no entitlement to having our changes added)

[barren zephyr]

Maiasaurus needs a buff quickly, he is currently very weak, his spin is also very bad, if at least he could improve it a little and the acceleration was a little faster, Maia would be better, please developer do something, Maia is very weak with this nerf

[tame jetty]

Indeed. The nerf was overnerf.

[eager socket]

It more so needs its kick hitbox fixed

Maia was insanely op when it first dropped and expecting it to be like that is stupid

[barren zephyr]

@lapis crag nah make carno 1.5 or 1.6 and make it a bit taller then we're good.

[lapis crag]

I thought that before too. But as the last couple weeks have passed with the hordetest and Maia i really don't think old Carno is anywhere near as much of a problem as people used to complain it was.

[eager socket]

@tame geode What u playing

[tame geode]

dibble 4 man

[eager socket]

That’s your group limit

[tame geode]

it wont let me get the 4th guy in

[eager socket]

Cuz it’s 3 limit

[tame geode]

ah

[eager socket]

Yall can still be together but it won’t let you be in a group beyond 3

Best to be in duos

Ceras are 4

Omni I think 8 or so

[vapid harbor]

#general-feedback message
@daring talon
I'm sorry but it actually kind of is a skill issue. That is totally fine though, here are some ways to help your situation!

1. Reabsorbtion
2. SW mutation
3. Outplay the croc*
4. Look for signs of croc before drinking
5. Minimize risks by taking frequent, short hydration trips instead of infrequent, long hydration trips
6. Drink in a safe area (the waterfall in SP, the shallow parts of swamp, the shallow parts of delta, etc.
7. Plan ahead. Crocs biggest enemies are oxygen and their bellies.

*This is the big one. There are many ways to outplay the croc, and it depends on what you're playing and ofc. the skill level of the croc player, but in general it works for most people. Firstly, I usually do some kind of baiting before i start to actually drink. If you are unsure about whether or not there is a croc at the watersource, go up to it, press E quickly, and then run to the side (important: if you can, position yourself so your side is facing the ambush-direction, that makes it easier to run). If there is no sign of croc, it doesn't mean you are safe, but you could get away with a few more sips. If there IS a croc, keep your eyes on it. A croc player is going to try to position itself to be near land-activity. If you are in a group, have your friends chill in an area near the water while you sneak away and drink. If you are solo, wait until other players are by the water source, then repeat the latter step. If your friends feel daring, they can even taunt the croc to make sure it is fully distracted. Other signs of croc (this isnt foolproof) is whether or not there is already fish in/corpses nearby the water. If there is a corpse near the water, the croc will definitely eventually eat from it. Without making your presence known, position yourself far from the corpse and wait for the croc to eat. That is your time to drink.

There's other ways of course, my favourite one is hiding behind other players to drink, but I haven't died to a croc (except for when fighting them) in several months. You might wanna consider playing it as well if you haven't, gives you a better idea of croc habits. Hope this helped!

[limber hull]

i had a dibble group of only 2. i couldnt get beyond that. im convinced groups are hella bugged

its possible you just have the same problem i did, because im almost certain dibble groups are not only 3 dibbles

[tame geode]

i was in a group of 8 the day before the update so i doubt thats true, while allowing carnivores to be more

[vapid harbor]

Oh also, kind of a "rather you than me" strat, but if you need to cross water and you're in a herd, make sure you are the first one to cross. Crocs hear the first splash but usually don't get there in time to catch you, it's easier for them to await your friends >:))

[wooden agate]

kissen just mentioned it didnt sound right so prolly

[teal fulcrum]

#general-feedback message
it isn't.
learn map and you will find that there are very many places on the map where it is perfectly safe to drink. few players die from deino. cliffs and falls through textures "kill" many more. if you are constantly getting caught by deinos, that is a reason to change u gameplay. try playing on a deinos to see where players can drink in peace

[eager socket]

He’s been told in balance and I believe he said he would play deino abit

Play PT also helps you learn and is easier than deino

[vapid harbor]

#general-feedback message
I can already see the untouchable hypsies running around the sides of trees and walls in hot spots, spitting at every player whos fighting underneath them. Lots of people play hypsies, they just don't play them for as long bcs it's kind of boring to not be able to pvp in a game where pvp is the most fun xd

[limber hull]

its a confirmed climber

like, it's GETTING climbing, 100% confirmed

[dusky swift]

yes, the mechanics are already there, why can't hypsie get it already? Can't be too complicated, can it?

[limber hull]

well, it is kinda, because it can't just be copy pasted from herrera

the mechanic neesd to be animated, then designed to be more befitting of hypsi's playstyle, on top of other things

[dusky swift]

So should Hypsie climb differently like Herra? what would be the difference

[limber hull]

It apparently will work differently, at least according to dev comments. To what extent, I have no idea

[urban flax]

I assume Hypsi will be faster in the trees
But not have the ability to pounce people on the ground for 700 damage

[urban flax]

If there is somewhere in the world a hypsi good enough to be able to considtently land headshots on people fighting from the branches of a tree, they deserve the ability to troll
(Which will only last as long as the hypsi has hunger left)

[dusky swift]

It's cool if ther climb like squirrels

[limber hull]

i think it was mentioned that hypsi is not capable of staying clinged to a side of a tree like herrera, and has to make it to a branch to avoid exhaustion

[boreal briar]

They have to make a lot of new animations. The code would probably be similar but the animations would be from scratch to fit Hypsie

[tired quest]

I usually locate my target by visual and will target the first who make the cross tbh
unless they are too far away.
but yeah, making a sudden crossing can catch most of the crocs unguard, don't stand there thinking for like a min

[boreal briar]

You would be surprised at how many separate animations need to get made, and then more for transitions between animations.

If you want them like squirrels that might double or triple the animation count, it needs ones that fit for going up, going down, or going sideways

[tired quest]

spitting squirrels that ruin your day

[limber hull]

hell yea

[dusky swift]

☄️🐿️

[tight iron]

not even 4 ceras can put a stego to yellow

like just for quick context

[junior nymph]

ive killed stegs as duo

[tight iron]

i don't doubt it, but im talking about good ceras vs good stegos

[vapid harbor]

That's been my assumption as well, whenever I cross alone after having lingered in a likely-croc-infested area for a while, I try to "juke" the croc by trotting carefree towards an obvious crossing, then suddenly doing a 180 and running to cross somewhere else hehehe

[tight iron]

you can outstam a deino in water btw

if you think theres a deino stalking you, run for a minute and then cross

if he follows you, he'll be completely out of stmaina

[sick gale]

then your ceras need more practice or the stego is a god

[tired quest]

it like trying to score in a basket ball game, I always let go after I caught these kind of player.

[vapid harbor]

Hahaha really

[mystic aurora]

this riview sums the isle up perfect atm. https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198103382909/recommended/376210/

[limber hull]

does it really

[mystic aurora]

it does unless u ignorent af lol

[limber hull]

Honestly sounds like the dude who wrote it don't know how to hunt their "apex herbivores"

because you can hunt maia as basically and every carnivore

[mystic aurora]

thats not the poiunt

[limber hull]

Thing's a 3.8 ton meatbag

[limber hull]

You say that's not the point but that's the majority of their complaints

[mystic aurora]

where is rex allo spino etc why take 5 years lol

[limber hull]

ecosystem very clearly is not ready for them lol

[green niche]

in a functioning ecosystem there should be more herbivores than carnivores because herbis actually are difficult to hunt which means you need a lot so you can pick off the weak and stupid

[wooden agate]

they're not the priority lol

[barren crater]

I mean rex is next up and allo is in development

[mystic aurora]

what then lol ? the dont fix bugs or hitboxes

[wooden agate]

they spent the first 3-4 years off evrima focusing on creating dynamic mechanics that can be applied to the entire roster

now they're focusing more on playables

[wooden agate]

shhh dont start to make sense

[mystic aurora]

the time i play i see the same map bugs like the SP waterfall where u can look underwater for example or other bugs

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/programmer-developer-debugging-code-testing-fixing-gif-7663766

^ a depiction of game development in general lol

[mystic aurora]

2030 the come out ? if the hire more people and bump the price 20 euro i will be happy to pay it

just for quiker dino release and bug fix

taking this long moost people prob move to other games

[wooden agate]

you say this so often but it's objectively untrue considering the game has some of the best player count averages of its life

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-used-to-be-believable-baited-jebaited-bait-i-got-jebaited-gif-1296286127798996733

[wooden agate]

its not even bait

unfortunately

[mystic aurora]

i group a lot in the game and all love the game yet, the bored at the same time couse takes to long to release more

what 50 euro per year to rush things up ?

[desert arch]

Pretty sure Dondi said he wont be increasing the games price, or adding microtransatcions etc. any time soon

Mostly because he hates them

[mystic aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-money-futurama-gif-6882124657810317443

i bet all fans of the game would pay for 1 new dino per month ^^

yearly sub to the game

i also bet my life on it the game wil skyrocket in popularity

new content is the price all love in games , and bring people back

[wooden agate]

take one singular look at what happened to path of titans literally YESTERDAY

[indigo gulch]

What happened?

Did the game collapse or something?🤣

[indigo gulch]

I’m glad someone else uses this gif now :3

[limber hull]

2030 the come out indeed

[limber hull]

this isnt path of titans, sorry

[woven bane]

beast of bermuda is arguably better designed than pot. at least it’s fun

[mystic aurora]

just matter of hire people stop defend the devs lol

[limber hull]

true tho

BoB is stupid fun

[indigo gulch]

They don’t want to hire more devs because of conflicting ideas how the game should go, so I’ve been told

[limber hull]

turn your brain off and you'll enjoy BoB

[woven bane]

yea silly game

[indigo gulch]

A smaller team is easier to work with but just goes slower

[limber hull]

if you take these games seriously, you wont like BoB

[mystic aurora]

who care what idea of people the hire is the need to lissen to the boss

[indigo gulch]

If only it was that easy😅

[mystic aurora]

quetz i want badly

• more water dino

[limber hull]

objectively not how game dev works

[woven bane]

well bary and austro are on the roadmap so

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

I dont understand why you are comparing bob weather to a playable in the isle and attempting to mislead others when mosa exists and does the exact same thing as deino. Both games have a creature that will drag you down and kill you. And unlike in the isle, floods exist in bob that will bring the mosa to you to make it even less avoidable. Try again.

[mystic aurora]

release date ?

[junior nymph]

NO ETAS

[limber hull]

arrogance becomes their undoing

[woven bane]

we don’t know but if i had to guess. 2025-2026

[limber hull]

i think next year will likely be a good year for playables

[woven bane]

i hope we get allo by june next year

[mystic aurora]

cant wait

[woven bane]

time goes by so fast ngl, just realizing that dibble has been out for half a year now

[wooden agate]

dobble bobble

[wintry cipher]

Juicy, i reccomend you look at (do NOT buy) Day of Dragons and you will see one reason why your idea in regards to financing for more devs/additions will not work.

[wooden agate]

what a fun dragon game! i sure hope it doesn't have a dodgey past about being a scam and potentially paying big youtubers (cough blue man cough) to go back on their statements about being a scam game and play their game!

[wintry cipher]

And why despite the problems, you cant argue Dondi does have at least one merit in not screwing his playerbase like ARK did. I paid 10 bucks for this game when it was on sale nearly 7 years ago. I did not have to rebuy it for Evrima. The price also has not gone up in idk how many years. There are no micro transactions either. Say what you will about anything else, but the Isle is not a financially predatory game.

[mystic aurora]

y that nice yet if more money can speeds tings up i dont mind at all

u prob would not also since u had 7 years u prob can mis 50 euro per year lol

[wintry cipher]

They clearly have more than enough money if they havent changed the price while paying this many team members. They want quality not quantity.

I am a full time working adult. I probably could. Not many others could though. Nor would I. That is financially irresponsible on my part when I cant even play the game every day.

[mystic aurora]

oef tough life lol

sell ur house buy bitcoin man

[tight iron]

nah the stego is good and the ceras are excellent

with excellent i mean wiping out 6 stegos before powerswing and infinite swings

... solo

now im not gonna say those stegos were great but 6 is 6

[wintry cipher]

Throwing money at a problem that doesnt exist (your perception things arent developed fast enough) is exactly why we get dull, grindy, repetetive AAA games. So, I don't agree.

Heh. "Tough life" indeed. My rent is 300 a month and I live dead center of town and can walk everywhere. I have no college debt. Paid that off in a year. I am fine lmao. I was being genuine earlier.

[limber hull]

dondi will NEVER increase the price

[wintry cipher]

Its a passion game yeah. And im very happy he is still working on it despite the community.

[limber hull]

@rapid maple #general-feedback message

Fracture chance doesnt exist in EVRIMA
Pachy has high bleed res
Health regen is pretty standard for its size

Other than that, yea, you right

[rapid maple]

im unsure how the fractures work then sometimes i fracture in one hit others i dont

also pachy does not have high bleed res but its not carno or galli level

[limber hull]

it def does have high bleed res, one of the highest in the game funnily enough

[junior nymph]

@sullen pier i aint reading allat

[rapid maple]

Why did they post it as a picture Is what I'm curious about?

[junior nymph]

it was too much words

essay

[limber hull]

why did you screenshot it without actual paragraphs

[woeful latch]

pachy?

[desert arch]

it has more bleed resist than deino

it just doesnt feel like it since it still only has 500 blood

[limber hull]

Yup

[tight iron]

@rapid maple health regen is amazing btw

it's one of the if not the fastest healing time in the game

and its stamina is relatively good

[torpid void]

@summer olive Interesting idea in paper. However players already have too much AFK time growing. This would make them bored even more. But let's say somehow doesn't affect them too much at least on growth playtime and only affects them when they fight so now have a break on the onslaught. What about cera which is already immune to bacteria & vomit sickness, this would make cera even more broken than already is. Also deino & cera can't over eat or vomit.

[summer olive]

Interesting take. I totalöy get where your coming from. Lets say they dont need to rest but rather more damage would make the infection worse and maybe they should improve their diet in order to heal faster

[summer olive]

Cera shouldnt be immune to infections actually.

[summer olive]

Yes they cannot overeat but a deino would think twice before attacking a stegosaurus if you know what I mena

[tired zinc]

Has maia been released on Evrima branch ? Or is it still hordetest

[daring talon]

its out

[mint hazel]

i wish carno had some kind of power again

[tired zinc]

So i update to evrima ?

[daring talon]

yes

[daring talon]

if they want carno to be a small game hunter and nothing else then it should turn like a cheetah tbh

[mint hazel]

i dont really see a way they could balance it as just a small game hunter

when it can turn appropriately for that role and effectively kill them, small prey players will complain and then what?

[daring talon]

like from what i understand they really really want it to attack stuff smaller then it and also be really fast but also relatively frail with a small to solo group size

and the only IRL animal in that role is a cheetah and, unlike carnotaurus, those turn on a dime going 75 mph

[mint hazel]

it also needs its hunger drain decreased

it cant even really afford to live on small prey with how fast its hunger falls

[daring talon]

carnos metabolism is through the roof for seemingly no reason yeah. the thing drinks and eats constantly

[mint hazel]

and its soooo slooww to drink too

might as well put up a billboard for the deinos saying "Hot and Fresh meals!"

[daring talon]

meanwhile diablo can get reabsorption and almost never have to drink just due to rain

[mint hazel]

smh]

atp just delete carno lmao

not like theres a reason to play it anyway

[neat scroll]

@daring talon
In 250 hours on Gateway, I've not been snatched by a deino once. I've swam through the delta too many times to count. I cross south plains river on the regular. I've visited and drunk out of every water source barring the tiny pond north west of NE lake a million times.

There are so many indicators of deinos- cooking fish or bodies/meat chunks by the water, deino calls in the area, the loud ass sound they make getting in and out of the water, the ripples they make when swimming just below at a depth required to see above the water- that it's very hard to not know when they're there. And some spots are a guarantee. I'm sorry, if you're ever going to highlands and drinking at any random spot and expecting there to not be a deino when it's a massive hotspot and one of the only decent sized and trafficked water bodies in the game, you've lost your mind.

And even with all of this- there are so many safe drinking spots that you eliminate the risk altogether. Highlands, West Rail, Jungle Pond, South Pond, Swamps & Delta (in dozens of places), North Ridge Pond, East Lake, and NE Lake ALL have safe drinking water, even more so if you bother to look down at the water while you drink just in case.

PLUS the amount of water related mutations. Gain water when you eat, reapsorption, saltwater mut, etc. You literally never have to drink at a spot where you risk being eaten, even if you're touring the whole map on something as slow as a baby stego that might otherwise have problems reaching destinations in time.

The map is designed in a way that inherently disadvantages deinos. There are several mutations that make getting water almost entirely safe, or ensure that you don't need to get water at all. This is the definition of a skill issue.

And to think about your fix.

You want to take the ambush predator- the only thing it competently does- and ensure it can't ambush?

[mint hazel]

you're lying and a really bad troll

theres no way in hell you've never been snatched by a deino one time unless you've never played the game

[tight iron]

most likely not

not difficult at all

if you plan your gameplay correctly, the only reason you could ever die to a deino is if you let the deino kill you

they are so easy to avoid

@viral hare frankly, herbis aren't supposed to live in harmony

[viral hare]

like zebras and gnus for example

[tight iron]

it's only the idea that some people sell of harmonious, pacifists herbivores, this game reflects the reality that herbivores are the most aggressive

[viral hare]

I mean of course not everyone can live that way but there should be some species who do and some who dont

[viral hare]

give examples of herbivores in reality who dont stop killing each other 🙂

[tight iron]

pretty much all

[viral hare]

Zebras and gnus

[tight iron]

when a zebra takes over a herd, it kills all the children

and so do many others

[viral hare]

yeah other zebras but not the gnus bro

[tight iron]

not only that, but they kick out other species when in times of need

[tight iron]

im not sure about that (i havent checked on that)

[viral hare]

"when in times of need"

[tight iron]

we can also put elephants massacring other species till the elephant itself gets killed as an example

[viral hare]

do you know the word symbiosis?

[tight iron]

yes sir

[viral hare]

apparently not

[tight iron]

how so

[viral hare]

I mean... ok if for example stegos and Tenontos eat the same diet in one migration i get why you would kill each other

[tight iron]

what i stated doesn't change the fact that i know what the word means

[viral hare]

But there is no reason to do so if you arent even looking for food

[tight iron]

some people do have their reasons

[viral hare]

all good

[tight iron]

for example, killing a decently sized stego so that he doesn't grow and vacuum the migration and patrol zones

[viral hare]

SO they could be punished if you got a reason why not deal consequences

[tight iron]

that said tho, the vast majority kill for fun

[tight iron]

uh punished?

in what ways would you do that?

[viral hare]

yeah and thats a problem in my opinion. I think you should stop this by giving herbis more stuff to do

[viral hare]

what if you lose nutrients if u kill a herbi as a herbi

you could still do it

[tight iron]

then i could spawn as a juvie maia and attack you till you kill me so that you lose nutrients

not to mention that diets are basically useless as a fully grown

[viral hare]

yeah but u cant chose spawn so u do it once I kill you and over and out

[tight iron]

the thing here is

[viral hare]

another problem

[tight iron]

most people do it because theres nothing else to do

[viral hare]

yweah we can agree on that+

[viral hare]

there should be sth to do

[tight iron]

and because they're fed up with some herbis being way too strong, megapacking and wiping out the map

[grim perch]

can anyone help me please 😦

im install a the isle evrima server and cannot connect, come like netfaultstate on console

[tight iron]

so they become herbis and absolutely massacre all herbis so that it doesn't happen

[viral hare]

dont know what to do there

[tight iron]

check #server-hosting

[viral hare]

I mean I dont wanna stop someone but they can still do it if losing stuff ... I mean why not permanently steal them wieght for it... so they die faster through carnis vet they stop doing it for fun

and in the same time give more things to do of course

[tight iron]

wat

the thing is

theres no reason to punish herbi x herbi violence

the idea that they should be pacific animals is not real

[viral hare]

and thats where we disagree

[viral hare]

not all but most yes

[tight iron]

herbis are out of their minds

[viral hare]

most herbivores are

[viral hare]

best argument EUW

[tight iron]

i don't know if you've been around animals long enough to fear herbivores more than carnivores

[viral hare]

They only get aggressive if you come to close to them or there children

[tight iron]

if only it was the case

[viral hare]

they dont search for you and go into your house just to kill you 🙂

[tight iron]

they would if they could get in my house

if your presence mildly bothers them, they'll just kill you

[viral hare]

Its just an opinion thats sepperates us so this discussion is over have fun killing other herbis 🙂

[tight iron]

well

i encourage you to research a bit more on this topic

and besides, putting realism into this game probably isn't the best idea

otherwise the game will become a documentary

[viral hare]

at least i leraned something today ... just fill your diet and sit in a bush until 100% ... I hoped this times in this game are over but apparently they arent 🙂

[mint hazel]

and how do you do that?

give me a step by step

[tame jetty]

Agreed

[viral hare]

👍

[green niche]

reabsorb + water from food
alt salt water
alt find the croc free areas on the map (usually the small ponds. check they are croc free by waiting 10min beside them to see if a croc shows up)

• use the shallow, safe areas of water to drink
  there are place where crocs cannot go without being extremely visible

[tame jetty]

I only play herbivore aggressive too, if carni provoke like too close, aggressive behavior, want to hunt me, or hurt my kids ect.
I dont hunt other herbivores either, because indeed, herbivores live together. Unless they want a food Bush for themselves or want some personal space, but only for those reasons a herbi be aggro.
Straight up kos, and herbivores being misused for hunting herbivores and carnivores, that's straight up bad 👎

[viral hare]

I have the same idea

[tame jetty]

It makes for so fun gameplay balance

[viral hare]

When I played 6 months ago it was like this. I dont know which change made more herbi players aggressive to other herbis but I think there should be changes

[tame jetty]

I play on and off. And always see people complain of people misusing herbivores for hunting, among the other issues like mjxpacking carnivores, overpackings, kos, hunting for sport, and corpse and food guarding and body denying ect.

But it's really sad seeing it increase then, its not how it should be.
And above are all issues devs should put in priority, so game isn't ruined

[viral hare]

yeah

[tame jetty]

Yeah, I've seen one of the main reason people go kill on herbi. Is because they don't like to be playing peacefully, like a herbivore is supposed to (unless provoked ofc).

These people forget that a zebra irl wouldn't go hunt a lion, just because its tired of nibbling on grass all day lmao.

The gameplay for a herbi right now is grow, socialise in herds, make a family, defend yourself and family against hunting carnivores, protect th young and foster them up, fight for the leader role (sparrling diablos ect), and traveling the map ect.

I'd love to see sparrling introduced for all species, it's so fun and it really help keeping herbivores players occupied with something, and also allow doe hunting opertunities for carnivores. But would also love seeing sparrling for carni too, like is planned for rex and giga ect

[viral hare]

sounds nice

[tame jetty]

Hopefully Elders introduction will help put people into the state of mind of survival game isle is, and see that playing normally will be more rewarding than just pvp crazy stuff doing overkill.
And nesting being more expanded upon, and rewarding for both parents and the kids, will help tremendously

[viral hare]

you have a good idea for the game

[tame jetty]

Thank you. I've had this kind of mind since playing legacy back in 2017.
When playing the isle, I must say, was very good with most people focusing on the survival the game is, and playing how it was supposed to.

We saw the huge increase in pvp mindset players fill the isle when evrima dropped. And big reason for this was because in launch, only dinos to come was Utah and nothing else to do on map. And then come tenonto, and it was all about pvp.
But, as we've moved into development of evrima, we now have indepth survival mechanics, and a diverse roster. And even more survival aspects of game to come in very soon.
But, with evrima slow progress and launch, it drove a lot of the og legacy players away. (Idk how we're doing rn and if we got many back rn). But you can really feel the lack of the survival mindset in lot of the evrima people.
It's very frustrating and sad to see, but as evrima expand and builds on even more indepths mechanics connected with survival, I believe we're getting closer and closer to bring back the true feeling of The Isle again ^^

We just need to make sure the goal of The Isle isn't lost while being bombarded with a heavy pvp only mindset, when the game has always been a survival game with intended realism and aspects of horror. As long as we keep preserving the true Isle survival experience, it will come a time Again when we too can play how it's all supposed to in Evrima, like we did back in Legacy 🫂 stay strong friend

[viral hare]

thank you for this. I lost nearly lost hope in having the old feeling again. But now i can have hope again. Ride another Migration together. stay strong friend!

[neat scroll]

There's not a single spot on the map that requires you to get in the water in any capacity, aside from the tiny islands in delta (and if you can jump they largely get passed over), and with safe drinking water, how is a deino supposed to prep for ambushes the way they did on previous maps?

Yes. 0 times. My worst encounters with deinos have been the few times I've been on deino in the past couple weeks, with cannibals in the delta and dam lake.

[tame jetty]

I too suffered almost losing hope for a while, but truly, we're still here fighting for the isle survival ❤ I thought I was alone too for a second before, but here and there you can see us speak up, and even more so recently. Really good to see it.
Just keep faith, and keep pushing for the game and its true goals that we speak of, and we will all have a wonderful game in the end to enjoy when finally released after all these years 🌟

[green niche]

if we want to discourage mix- and overpackers we should make it so that the Single most Annoying song ever plays when you do it - like baby shark or the neverending song /j

[tame jetty]

LMAO 😂 please

[green niche]

3 deinos in an area? bayBEE DEINO DOO DOO DO DO DO BABY DEINO DOO DOO DODODO

[tight iron]

you watch your water levels constantly and keep them at a medium level just in case something happens and so that you have time to reach a safe spot, you keep track of your location and nearby safe spots, and, of course, while drinking, position yourself in a way that, if you were to be jumped by a deino, you can run away in time without wasting time turning

[tribal widget]

Should a baby pig be able to TWO HIT a baby carno?

[green niche]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1320911783535448115
i like the thought of seasons but the isle is a tropical island iirc so i would rather the seasons not be winter/spring/summer/autumn but rather just be wet/dry seasons

[cinder haven]

He is right denio gateway is bad and not worth playing anyway it is very boring

[mortal parrot]

@pale venture Pretty sure the image you put was hinted at about being a potential airfield on the map

[pale venture]

oops

[mortal parrot]

Also, I think something like this on the map would look nicer than just a giant flat area

[pale venture]

yeah good prototype

[teal fulcrum]

#general-feedback message
ye, we still need fish. deino shouldn't depend on server's online

[dry falcon]

#general-feedback message
It looks like satellite footage for some reason