general-feedback-discussion

[fiery cedar]

for me i was moving fine and smooth at regular speed which is the issue because the only footage of this fight is from the dibbles POV wacthing me zoom around like the flash

im inept with technology and didnt know i could capture things that have already happened from steam

[cyan flame]

Cause stegos cant run (nor can dibbles, which is even weirder), but also cause a juvie stego is larger than a pachy.

[fiery cedar]

otherwise i would have the clip

[gentle flint]

Unfortunately you might just have to find a new server to play on, it’s their choice to unban you, not anyone on the official end :(

[frail prawn]

And then it leads to the problem of them easily becoming over populated, they gain weight extremely fast especially now with how much you get with perfect diets. So I dont know, its just a simple problematic class in my opinion, so much of a headache. 😂

[gentle flint]

Did you have the day speed mutation just out of curiosity?

[fiery cedar]

yeah i get that but im still innocent. what if this happens again to someone else?

[fiery cedar]

no that same play session they disabled it

[quartz prism]

im dumb i misread

[fiery cedar]

lol all good

ik the footage belongs to the dibble player but on my end there was no connection issues or hacks

[quartz prism]

Seriously tho you need to be in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 and posting the videos there because the staff who know better can judge/help there

[fiery cedar]

i dont know what caused it but being essentially publicly executed in the general chat wasnt cool from the dibble seeing as im actually innocent 🥲

[fiery cedar]

yeah but it says not to report things from unnoficial servers and i dont wanna get in trouble yk

and i have no footage from my end so wont they just tell me im cheating too ?

[gentle flint]

I think there’s not really anything you can do to fix it unfortunately, carnos are already really fast so that combined with literally anything else just makes you a zippy mess

[fiery cedar]

i suppose

but it doesnt really help me either

[gentle flint]

There’s nothing to be done but find a new server

[fiery cedar]

not to sound selfish or anything but i dont wanna leave my 36% carno just on the server after being banned for something i couldnt control

it just makes me sad yk

[gentle flint]

It’s up to the Petit Pieds server admins and owners really, there’s nothing to be done in the official discord

[quartz prism]

👆

[fiery cedar]

yeah i guess

[barren zephyr]

@glossy marlin just play zooming islander. Theres all sorts of wild skins

@misty pewter did you log out correctly?

[misty pewter]

yea

[narrow field]

That's what I'm saying!! Cera thrives cause it still gets food even when things are rotted + it can smell so much better and corpse scents bug out so much.
I'm not complaining about the Cera overpopulation by any means, I'm just making observational statements xD

[limber hull]

yea but thats not why people are saying cera is broken

[narrow field]

Cera isn't broken the roster just isn't balanced. We barely have any midtier dinos and once things like allo and Maia are added it'll start to feel more even and fair imo

[limber hull]

thats not how that works

it being too strong against our current roster doesnt magically go away when larger animals get added

especially when its already good against said midtiers

[narrow field]

Okay
My comment on why everyone is playing Cera rn (even more then previous patches) still stands tho

[limber hull]

It's mostly to do with its power, not its sustainability tbh

[narrow field]

Cera is a reasonable fight, if you don't make a ton of mistakes.
Even if you throw up that's mostly an annoyance in the moment.
The only time Cera fights + vomit stagger really hurt is when you're dilo or raptor, but that's a reasonable expectation of playing one of the lightest dinos

[limber hull]

idk man, it's used a ton for obliterating dibbles and stegos

[narrow field]

For sure, but most dibble/steg players aren't playing those dinos cause they're skilled at the game
It's usually p rare in my experience to find a Dib/steg player that knows what they're doing, or even knows to get a good defensible position

[lilac bolt]

@amber horizon it seems quick but to actually die from starvation everything besides herrera takes longer then 30 minutes to actually die

[amber horizon]

that does not account for the damage already taken from fighting to get food as a carnivore every 20 minutes, especially as a new juvie/hatch, or damage a herbivore has taken trying to migrate to get food
also provides more uniqueness and survivability, and will punish those that try to take advantage of the mechanic

[woeful latch]

no? lol

how many times have you fought a cera? just asking

[odd swan]

did you find a solution? I've the same issue

[narrow field]

plenty. ive also fought as cera about an equal amount of times.
just being a bit cautious and thinking before you take a chance goes a very long way in a fight against a cera
people just see a dino they cant kill in two minutes and start crying that its overpowered (stego and deino have the same issue)
an animal survival game is bound to have some dinos that are harder to kill then others. thats a good thing

[woeful latch]

good for you

[narrow field]

copium <3

[woeful latch]

?

[narrow field]

😘

[woeful latch]

are you mad or what i dont get it

[narrow field]

no im not mad. im having fun! i thought this was a conversation?

XD

[amber horizon]

you must have great friends

[narrow field]

why, are you in the market for some? XD

[lilac bolt]

what exactly is the argument here? Just that cerato is in a good spot rn power wise or?

[narrow field]

yeah basically. its a well rounded dino that doesnt suffer from the stamina system (doesnt use any stam with its attacks) and it just doesnt have any actual mid tiers carnivores that can compete well with it atm
nerfing it will just make it obsolete in the long run

[woeful latch]

adding another op dino wont make existing one less op

cera is apex rn, hordes are everywhere

[narrow field]

there's supposed to be op dinos? are you wanting a raptor to solo a rex?

yeah apexs will always exist in some form lol

[latent olive]

oh wait, youre THAT guy arent you

[woeful latch]

the thing about apexes is that they're slow, you can easily escape them

not cera.

[narrow field]

ceras have been in the game for quite a while now, they didnt suddenly get buffed overnight, the game mechanics/ecosystem just got reshuffled

[narrow field]

cera is one of the slowest dinos in the game atm

[woeful latch]

first of all they did

[lilac bolt]

Cera is and shouldn't be an apex in anyway shape or form is that fair to say?

[woeful latch]

🤡

[narrow field]

it wont be once actual mid tiers or even actual apexs get added

roster is incomplete atm what can i say

[woeful latch]

i guess pachy/teno do not exist

[narrow field]

teno can defend itself well and pachy is faster (unless cera picks speed perk but pachy can also pick speed perk)

[woeful latch]

so you want everyone to take speed buff just to escape cera?

[latent olive]

what happens when you introduce an invasive species to counteract another invasive species

[lilac bolt]

that's not how balance works? you can't just add something stronger and expect it to fix the original issue?

[narrow field]

nah, only one dino technically "has" to and thats if every cera ran speed perks (they dont)

[latent olive]

ceratosaurus deserves to be nerfed because it is NOT in the position it is intended to be in

[woeful latch]

teno can defend, thats true. while vomiting 5 times

[narrow field]

its an animal survival game? there WILL be animals that are simply unkillable by most of the roster
cera is not unkillable by any means, it just takes more patience to fight then all the frail dinos we have atm (barring dib and steg)

[woeful latch]

bacteria is defensive tool ill remind you 🤡

[narrow field]

clearly not only

i think it was kissen that mentioned that just cause cera's concept was scavenger doesnt mean it cant do anything outside of that niche

it do be a relatively openworld survival game we're playing, not league of legends

[woeful latch]

im okay with it not being balanced all around its concept, what is not okay is that cera has all the buffs in the world

[narrow field]

what are some of the buffs you think a cera shouldnt have? genuinely wanna know cause other then the body buff im not sure what else there is

[woeful latch]

one sec

[narrow field]

yeah np!

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message

• its swim speed is the same as tenos for some reason

[limber hull]

swim speed is fine

its meant to use that as an escape tool, was shown off in the concept art

also the "twice the stamina" remark is entirely untrue. cerato has less stam

[woeful latch]

true, but... in game it looks pretty silly

[woeful latch]

it doesnt idk where you find that info

[limber hull]

teno has more costly attacks, but it runs further

[woeful latch]

ok igonre the stam, ill test that later

the rest is insane

[limber hull]

ehhh. i think a lot of it is necessary for the animal

[woeful latch]

60% bleed resistance +50 with the body buff

[narrow field]

i can agree that a few of these seem pointless, like no stam for a charged bite and stuff
but half of those are also just part of the kit (smelling long distances, not throwing up when over eating)

[limber hull]

^

necessary to ensure it fulfils its niche

i believe its overpowered, yes, but dont attack that which makes it do what its supposed to

[woeful latch]

i agree, not all of them should be removed or something, not a single buff makes cera op, its all together

[lilac bolt]

what is something that cerato can do now that it shouldn't do in your opinion?

[narrow field]

most of those on the list are also things that do not negatively impact the play of any other dino. its like saying one of the reasons raptor is op is cause it can jump
like thats just part of the dino playstyle idk

[woeful latch]

i guess making charge attack slower it speed

removing bleed resistance

[limber hull]

dont remove the bleed res

[woeful latch]

removing bleed it deals

[woeful latch]

it can keep it with the body nearby

[narrow field]

i do agree that cera shouldnt hit with bleed so hard, especially since it already has a bile mechanic

[woeful latch]

i wont really have issues with cera if i could run away from it, ill be honest

the problem is i cant most of the times

[narrow field]

most dinos can, and with ones that youre barely faster you can just pick a speed perk to gurantee you can be faster

[limber hull]

FUNNY YOU MENTION SPEED MUTS LOL

[woeful latch]

i got just 3 mutation slots, i dont want to spend them on that lol

[barren crater]

Issue is that cera has 0 stam costs on its bite and charge bite. So that it technically has all of its stam for running.

[woeful latch]

speed mutations should be removed imo

[keen wharf]

I like dinosaurs

[narrow field]

i mean fair! i usually dont either lol

[woeful latch]

its so bad for the balance

[narrow field]

cera should have a stam cost or a set of charges for its charged bite or something

[limber hull]

speed muts literally are part of what makes cera so OP

[narrow field]

crazy that every other attack in the game costs stam or charges but ceras

[barren crater]

So while cera has less stamina than teno, teno actually has to use stamina to attack. So the difference in run time becomes cera favoured

[limber hull]

yea

[narrow field]

teno can also jump tho, so more opportunity to escape

[barren crater]

Where are you jumping though. Most of the large rocks have been removed

[woeful latch]

#balance-feedback message a lot of crying (real) read if you got some time for all that

[woeful latch]

thats good but its not reliable if you know what i mean

[narrow field]

yeah i get ya

[woeful latch]

not always theres rock or something you can jump on

[narrow field]

right but its still worth noting imo

[barren crater]

They removed those rocks in the jungles that teno could jump up on

[woeful latch]

yeah

[narrow field]

crazy that they removed basically all the rocks, including the non-problematic ones XD

[barren crater]

😔

[narrow field]

like the small ones yeah get them outta here they SUCKED but the big ones were useful :<

[barren crater]

Yep. Couldn't escape a dilo pack as omni.

[narrow field]

mhmmmm

[barren crater]

There was no where to go

[woeful latch]

dilos are busted now holy shtsh

[narrow field]

obviously the only answer is wasting two perk slots on the speed muts!! /sar

[barren crater]

Yeah they are. I was hoping I'd find somewhere to climb up on, but nope

[narrow field]

not to mention dilos spawn like 50 million hallucinations at once on you now XD

[barren crater]

😔

[woeful latch]

they dont even need to bite you after you get envenomed, they can spawn as many clones as they want

you're basically dead if you're envenomed

[barren crater]

I can cope with dilo being powerful if they only allow it at night and if there are rocks to camp out on while waiting for day for creatures that can jump lol

Dilo is cracked at day and night

I know you need more bites at day, but it isn't even that significant lol

[lilac bolt]

wait did they buff dilo? I though they just changed how it's clones work

[woeful latch]

tbf i dont want dilos to wipe the whole server during night time

[woeful latch]

they can spawn infinite amount of clones after you get envenomed

you wont survive

[lilac bolt]

wat

[narrow field]

i survived as galli to this only by swimming out in the middle of a lake. the clones still spawned on top of me but they sank to the bottom of the water before they could bite me.
gotta hope you have enough stam to outswim the fog now ig XD

[barren crater]

I get it. Personally, I like the idea of dilos being horrifying at night but chill at day. A night threat is cool.

[woeful latch]

and theres no escape, they spawn inside you sometimes

[lilac bolt]

that's really broken lol

[barren crater]

I do think they're overkill right now. While still being buggy

[narrow field]

arent the clones bugged out tho? like they arent supposed to spawn that many at once?

[barren crater]

But I never liked hallucinations working at day

[woeful latch]

horrifying, but not death sentence

[barren crater]

Yeah

[woeful latch]

lmaoooo

they working on that btw, clones are going to swim soon

[barren crater]

"I had hell playing Cera the last 2 days, its made really me angry. Every time I get a group together its a constant panic situation. yes they do suck as players but it needs to be easier to keep your diet and full stomach. "

Isn't that the point? Cera groups are meant to be hard to sustain on paper

#general-feedback message

[narrow field]

im fine with clones doing damage + knowing how to swim cause theyre supposed to represent the venom damage your body is getting but the insane amount of clones that spawn in need to be checked
im being bite by a venomous dino, not chugging a vat of cyanide 😭 🙏

[woeful latch]

thats true, what would be nice if dilos had to bite you again before they can send clones

[barren crater]

That is interesting actually. How many have you seen attack you at once?

[woeful latch]

basically need to make you envenomed again

[narrow field]

yeah like everytime a dilo depleted its clone charge itd have to land another bite to get its charges all back or something

[woeful latch]

yeah that would be sick

[narrow field]

they spawned in a continuous line behind me as a swam. i didnt get a clip of it but there were probably 20 clones at one point that i could see, all in a line on the bottom of the lake

[barren crater]

😰 oml

[woeful latch]

are you a new player? surviving as a cera shouldnt be an issue, you can eat everything pretty much

[narrow field]

yeah i was literally yelling XD

[barren crater]

Me?

[woeful latch]

oh eyah that insane when theres like million clones inside each other running after you lol

[narrow field]

there was a group of 10-15 ceras on NA5 last night, all at south plains nesting. a group that size should be difficult to sustain regardless of scavenge ability lol

[woeful latch]

yes

[woeful latch]

lmao

the hordes

[narrow field]

reallll

[woeful latch]

they're doing hoard test

[barren crater]

Nah. I'm not. I don't struggle as Cerato at all lol

I was just talking about someone elses post

[narrow field]

cera is easy even with a full group of em, but once you start going over that it starts to hurt lol (which is fair)

[woeful latch]

oh lol didnt notice

sorry xDDD

[barren crater]

All good haha

[queen epoch]

why is this game so hard and why cant i find any other players in a game

[narrow field]

hot spots dont exist anymore so good luck finding anyone. south plains might have a couple people
good luck!

also ai arent spawning like they should so good luck with that too

[queen epoch]

how am i supose to eat?

[narrow field]

um
hope the isle gods bless you

[queen epoch]

WOW

[narrow field]

welcome to beta!

your best bet is playing with one or two people that are more experienced so they can show you the ropes

[queen epoch]

wanna play?

[woeful latch]

south plains/highlands/swamps

[narrow field]

i cant atm, i got work so i gotta go to bed soon lmao

[woeful latch]

i guess the only places with people

[queen epoch]

these words mean nothing to me

how big is the map?

some hatch my ass

[narrow field]

too big. have you used the online map for the isle?

[queen epoch]

nope

[woeful latch]

theres literally no one at the north side of tha map, especially east plains :(

[queen epoch]

im sitting in a que of 20+ people to play a sever that has NO people?

i want my money back'

[narrow field]

there are people. just spread out. and the calls arent working well either so you cant hear em

[narrow field]

https://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/
this map will help you find places

[queen epoch]

my feedback so far... trash game

[narrow field]

it has a massive learning curve fs

[queen epoch]

thank you

[narrow field]

np! you could try hopping in the vcs in this discord to join someone

[queen epoch]

im to scared

[narrow field]

aw thats fair

you can maybe try asking if someone wants to group in the general chat then?

that doesnt require vc usually

[wooden agate]

OH man i was so confused

[junior nymph]

I swear if I see one more ' please add spawns points ' in general feedback I may just give up on the community because their skill MUST be is comparable to a baby playing a game for the first time

[icy cedar]

Anyone having trouble with the sticks u need for building a nest here's a temporary solution: go nest somewhere where there are no other players nearby. Don't leave the nest site one by one, because this has a change to bug the sticks out. The game spawns sticks for every player nearby and you can see them in scent when you're not supposed to. Picking them up will bug you if the player it spawned for moved farther away. Be aware ptr can't fly with bugged sticks, when you let them go u can fly but walking and sprinting becomes bugged. Relogging means you gotta start over, pairing is not currently working as intended thru relogging, even if nest stays buildable after logging back in you won't be able to lay eggz. If you start smelling more than 2 sticks, you'll probably get bugged.

[buoyant narwhal]

Yeah I agree you should be able to sniff AI

[limber hull]

at that point you might as well be playing herbivore

thats just way too easy

[buoyant narwhal]

Don’t see why though? Animals locate prey based on scent, why wouldn’t dinosaurs lol

I don’t see why carnivores should be punished for low spawn rates, especially when so many herbi players just choose stego or dibble. This is coming from somebody who favours herbivores - I just don’t think carnivores should have such a hard time avoiding starvation.

[limber hull]

which is why tracking exists

honestly, just use audio queues

[buoyant narwhal]

Don’t know why sniffing can’t be added. Seems like making the game difficult for the sake of it. Just don’t allow sniffing unless you’re within the immediate area 🤷‍♂️

[limber hull]

idk, i dont think carnis need the extra handholding

[cunning crown]

Yeah dude, dying from starvation and wasting 30 minutes of my life I think is the most fun I have with the game, absolutely never change this

[limber hull]

i seriously dont know how people struggle this hard for food as carni

i play carni tons and just find food

[buoyant narwhal]

Not every server is the same. Sometimes you just get lucky and find food

Don’t see why making people’s gameplay experience SLIGHTLY less miserable is such an issue. It’s not like letting people sniff food stops people getting attacked by other players

[limber hull]

i only play officials

idk, i feel like having "PvE food you can easily find and smell" is just easier herbivore because you dont even need to go to MZs

[buoyant narwhal]

I don’t see why sniffing is handholding when this is a ‘realism’ based game. Animals can smell things, find them through sight, etc. Just focus on different senses for difference dinos. Nuance.

[limber hull]

I mean... Yea, exactly. Being able to smell the EXACT point of it takes out sight, sound, etc

[buoyant narwhal]

And? The game is still difficult, somebody being able to find food easier doesn’t mean they don’t have to still face AI spawns, players, and again, starving.

[lilac bolt]

it does though? it's part of the reason why herbivores are so easy in general to grow?

[wooden agate]

And? The game is still difficult, somebody being able to find food easier doesn’t mean they don’t have to still face plant spawns, players, and again, starving.

(i agree with you grey, im just being a little silly)

[lilac bolt]

lol

[buoyant narwhal]

Genuinely don’t know why making the game partially easier is such a death sentence lol. Like I said, AI spawns are still busted, and these settings can be changed across dinos. Some should find food based on scent, others not so much.

[wooden agate]

yes, like plants vs animals (herbivores vs carnivores)

AI spawns could use some work, sure. but i dont thinkthe frequency or amount they spawn in is whats wrong with them

moreso how they're distributed, albeit thats gotten ALOT better recently

[buoyant narwhal]

Which I’m not disagreeing with.

[wooden agate]

but at the end of the day, we already know the devs are implementing something to make AI easier to find, that was confirmed in the devblog. i hope its not scent or something that leads you directly to them of course, but i trust the devs to implement it in a proper way

this was confirmed in a devblog around the time of dibble HT when tacos were mentioned

[vital laurel]

<@&933486433342222376> may oneself get a ✅ on one’s post?

[urban flax]

hehe
Get denied

[vital laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/ruckus-this-cant-be-no-this-cant-be-sad-read-letter-gif-14293155805878050145

[valid brook]

Unfortunately, we cant sdd reactions

[urban flax]

You are weak compared to the omnipotent machine

[vital laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-gif-26282297

[woeful latch]

that’s so SAD lmaooo

[gleaming carbon]

@long blade #general-feedback Wouldn't that really clutter up our screen if we could smell every dinosaur poop? Like if you are in a high pop area and you hit Q and you just have dozens and dozens of poop icons, making it hard to see where the food/water is and reminding you how gross nature is. Or do you mean when you track a specific dino, like with blood or footprints? I could see it working that way.

[long blade]

Yea just for tracking purposes like the Dino’s on your diet, you could select a specific diet to track. Idk just a thought

This would obviously only be for Carnivores, since the current tracking in this game really is only blood and footprints that don’t last long.

I’m also sure that it won’t clutter the screen because the poops smell would only last a few minutes and with how spread everyone is on the map I doubt it would be crazy I haven’t seen clusters of dinosaurs really anywhere aside from packs

[proud coral]

Defecation is actually planned for much later down the line specifically for tracking purposes n' such.
Though be careful mentioning it here. A lot of users refuse to be mature about it <:/

[urban flax]

Definitely not a hot take : We can't have a defecation mechanic without a complete scent rework

At the point where we're at, adding anything more to the scent compass would make it unreadable

[long blade]

My scent menu is never full, typically I’ve only seen migration and that other zone. I’ve traveled the whole map and rarely run into any Dino’s. It’ll be nice to be able to have a real tracking method

[urban flax]

The scent interface is horrible and doesn't feel like scenting at all

[maiden anvil]

@long blade I’d say yes to that but hopefully it doesn’t become a meme

[urban flax]

I didn't like it when it was first implemented, and as time passes, I hate it more and more

[maiden anvil]

What are you talking about?

[urban flax]

The scent UI

[maiden anvil]

Umm… sorry if I’m being stupid but what exact is that?

[urban flax]

The compass at the top of the screen
Which displays an icon for everything that you scent

[maiden anvil]

And wrong with that?

You have a better solution?

[urban flax]

It's ugly, uninformative, unimmersive and cluttered

[urban flax]

A mix of the previous systems we had

Particle-based scent was honestly the best-looking and the most intuitive to use

Legacy's "aura" scent system is also not entirely to throw into the trash, its main issue was it looking bad, especially for water

But it allowed to understand what you were smelling quite clearly (maybe a bit too clearly)

I once suggested there being a "pillars" system for scent, where everything you can scent emits a pillard of smoke, and maybe an icon showing what it is shows atop the pillar
The more smelly something is, the larger the pillar
Which means you can see it from further away, but it's less accurate
But this system also has its issues

[proud coral]

Legacy used to have pillars at some point. Maybe it still does, unsure.
It was for plants at least. They'd shoot huge plumes of green smoke into the air.

[runic spire]

ou tem como ser desbanido

[floral canopy]

@long blade only if i get to play as the poop

[boreal briar]

@dawn hound probably your headphones, I can hear them just as well as other AI...except the borrower thing. That guy is loud as hell.

[forest fox]

@tight iron the stamina is not the same for all dinos, maybe you can explain how and what you mean, to me they are different stamina usage and regeneration rates, sorry i am just confused about your request.

[tight iron]

the only thing that changes is the regen time and run time, thats pretty much it, so instead im asking for a completely different system for each dino that fits their playstyle

[forest fox]

Ahh i see, so for example a pteranodon uses stamina when flapping wings but we should not use it if you want to glide up but effectivly slow down?

[tight iron]

more of about how they spend it and ways to make it efficient

[forest fox]

like running down a hill shouldn't use as much stamina

[tight iron]

their methods of attack, defense, how they typically behave, natural habitat, etc

so a plains animal spends considerably less stamina when running as opposed to a swamp animal

well not animal but you get what i mean

not only that, but also adjusted values, regen times, regen methods, etcetera

[forest fox]

They do have different values i can tell you that

[tight iron]

so p much a complete revision of what we have right now but better implemented so it isn't amazing for some and excruciatingly horrendous for other things

[tight iron]

ya im aware i just worded it in a really meh way tbh

[icy lion]

So the same thing but with adjusted run times and attack costs?

[tight iron]

a complete revision that goes more in depth

instead of "alr this for everyone with small tweaks" just more in depth so that it isn't amazing for some and horrendous for others

instead of, yknow, "you this you that you this perfect done"

[forest fox]

Like the pteranodon has a lot of stamina if you use it right and that is what i have found eg, instead of always jumping to fly you could glide off, i think the devs want you to discover how to use the stamina system more effectively with each dino,

[tight iron]

so that it feels good for everybody and it aint a "everything amazing regen and super costly" or "nothing costs anything but regen takes super long"

[forest fox]

but this why I have requested that a stamina regen multiplier is put in the server config, so that the devs can have what the feel is good for the game on the official servers and private dedicated servers can change how fast they would like regen to take, as currently it isn't an option.

[tight iron]

yus

[forest fox]

I honestly get the frustration as sometimes me and my friends don't want to wait for 3 minutes to gain energy back

[covert tiger]

@normal steeple raptors not punished for missing pounce? bruh, an out of position raptor will get oneshot by everything, thats the punishment
also its got pretty high stamina cost
raptors are already weaker than most of the carnivore roster, idk why they should be nerfed more than they already have been

[normal steeple]

they aren't? prior to this a teno or carno would've been able to kill or severly damage one for missing it, which isn't the case. pounce SHOULDNT be easy to land, specifically on smaller animals where bites would be more practical. it already has insane agility, being able to land a hit which can knock off over 15% of blood for a larger animal is weird.

[covert tiger]

a good teno or carno can 100% capitalize and wreck a raptor for missing a pounce

its not weird at all, 15% of bleed is nothing when on the flipside you die in 2-3 quick bites from the larger animal

[normal steeple]

no ... they cannot. ur're making that up. unless they land it right next to you there's zero way u can react to that unless ur superhuman.

[covert tiger]

sounds like a skill issue
nothing superhuman about it
pretty easy to capitalize on raptor mistakes
but sure lets agree to disagree

[proud coral]

I mean I've seen raptors literally bounce around purely from pouncing until they either give up or land a hit.
Regardless if you can capitalize off of it or escape, it does seem a wee bit strange 😅

Then there's poor Pachy who gets stunned for playing correctly lmao.

[covert tiger]

if raptors spam pounce they'll be out of stamina super quick

heck, even if they land one they'll be out pretty quick lol

[normal steeple]

that part.. it's unfair asl

[tight iron]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-pounce-gif-5317867367571879374

all i gotta say

[cyan flame]

To be fair, that is a carno. You know, the one thing meant to obliterate omnis, and also fast enough to actually react. Is it as easy as teno, or dibble or something else noticably slower than omni?

[wooden agate]

i like how pouncing takes less stam than jumping lol

[tight iron]

a 34% carno is considerably slower than a raptor

[tight iron]

both take 5% iirc

[tight iron]

as a dibble idk cause i don't play it at all, as a teno it's quite simple, as a cera it can't be easier, as a dilo no words, as a troodon pretty easy, and so on

overall it's extremely easy to, as the majority of playables, either do nice damage or absolutely destroy a raptor when he misses it

there's a punishment, which is 5% stam wasted, doesn't look like much but stacks up damn quickly, you are the one who deals the damage

not to mention animation lock (no control over where you're going) and rocket yourself away

the punishment is there and it can be made way worse by your intervention, however wanting the game to put him at your feet so you can 1 tap him is dumb

[coarse spruce]

the free hit was because the raptor tried to do a 180 and had to stand on the spot to do so

and because it was against a carno

[glossy marlin]

@pseudo dagger true cap all na to 110 and na2 to 130

[latent olive]

@normal steeple originally, omniraptors had a recovery period after missing a pounce, which was eventually removed because the omniraptor players were crying about getting killed

i humbly agree that it needs a recovery period back

[tight iron]

carno sucks against raptors anyways so

and yeah it was cause he missed a pounce

call it stupid from his part, (it is and that's the point bruh) call it whatever you want, even try to excuse it as a not so much punishment but luck and overall something that can't happen, but that's just one scenario, theres infinite possibilities

a 34% carno, not even 800kg, is slower and weaker (not bite force but overall) than a fg raptor

ppl needa stop trying to get the game to do all the work for them and use their mind to win all fights

[vapid harbor]

@summer olive is herra the only dino that doesnt regain stamina while standing..? I never play herra so i cant definitively say it doesnt, but this seems very strange

[tight iron]

fighting is a mind game just like irl not "ohhh raptor too op totally doesnt get punished gimme free hit"

[vapid harbor]

As a teno player id say omnis are the easiest to kill simply because you can just wait for them to miss a pounce and then literally combo them in a matter of seconds. Especially bcs pounce takes so much stam, they'll either have to run away to reg or give it their last breath lmao. Baiting out the pounce ability and making them miss is my favourite way of killing omnis lmao

The reason why it's so easy to kill them this way is because they cant move mid air, you can tell where they are going to land if you predict their pounce and dodge it, and that is if the omni is making a relatively good pounce. If we're talking BAD pounces, they lrly just end up way too close to you and you can smack em instantly

[tight iron]

^^

someone who uses his brain while fighting

[vapid harbor]

Lmao

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1307161153268355153
Has this bug increased in frequency lately or am i just a conspiracy theorist?

[tight iron]

im pretty sure it has ngl

used to happen to me wayyyyyy too often

now i never eat meat chunks

[vapid harbor]

i just got it while building a sticknest, decided to ride it out til the babies were born bcs we were 2 sticks away from finishing it, then my friend gets the second stick and immediately also got it T_T

[tight iron]

aw cmon man

[vapid harbor]

Like it's happened before but it hasn't been debilitating like this imo., just a tad annoying

[vapid harbor]

yea if only it was just meat chunks 💀

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1307163523440181409
lmao they are

Big taco areas in my experience are right outside mudflats and swamp sanct

[tight iron]

😭

also organs and other things

[vapid harbor]

omg i never got it on organs i can imagine that sucks hahaha

I originally assumed it was just sticks and that the reason was that the stick "despawned" at the same time as you picked it up or smn, because for some reason sticks need to de/respawn very very quickly

So me and my friend who i usually nest with set up this plan where only one of us can have a stick in our mouth at the same time haha

still didnt work 💔

[tight iron]

bruh 😭

[brittle night]

@void nacelle wdym? nesting is in?

[lilac bolt]

yeah it's just kind of bugged rn

[glossy marlin]

removing my feedback is crazy work <@&401466542140817419>

[icy lion]

I wouldn't exactly call this feedback

[limber hull]

LMAO

[void nacelle]

It doesn’t work anymore, either you can’t build a nest or you can’t lay eggs

[quartz prism]

Why is in game map #general-feedback message so disliked?

[brittle night]

Because dinosaurs didnt use maps?

[junior nymph]

cause for one there's a website 2 clutter and 3 its just not wanted

[junior nymph]

@thorny cipher its not op bro apart from them instantly hitting you if you get grouped up on and get that much hallucinations its fine since its not just a single dilo and its meant to be a group hunter like omni and troodon

[quartz prism]

The website isnt offical tho right?

[quartz prism]

They also didnt choose which mutation they got so theres some elements that arent 100% realistic to make the player experience better

[quartz prism]

For the reason 3 that isn't answering the question im asking of why

[junior nymph]

nah but it still works

[junior nymph]

Ik i could not find another reason lol

[quartz prism]

It does but since it isnt offical players generally wont know about it without extra research or being told by another player. Especially if having the map is felt important to use then having a unofficial one is just going to lack compared to an offical one in game

[quartz prism]

Meant to reply to this msg

[latent olive]

@limber hull
#general-feedback message

[clear marsh]

Stamina regen still fked? Just a yes or no is fine. I stopped playing back in september because ptera is unplayable.

[sleek galleon]

yes (?)

[barren zephyr]

this needs to be fixed.

Steggo is literally unplayable as adult at the moment. The diet system is so broken

[junior nymph]

@barren zephyr you know the the hallucinations are meant to be a example of taking damage right?

[junior nymph]

diets aint broken bro and just eat in day and sit at night it aint that deep stego is not meant to be walking around and all that during night

[barren zephyr]

are you daft? its my designated patrol zone, and 99 percent of the things in it give me zero diet. wow

[junior nymph]

wrong reply btw and yes that is kinda stupid but that aint the diet system thats a bug with the patrols

[woeful latch]

have the same issue sometimes, just stay at the pz diets will spawn eventually

tho my main issue is i can’t find any lines as teno, they’re so rare

[barren zephyr]

This is my migration zone, all the plants are like this.

[glossy marlin]

Thats 100% a suggestion when nobody has said why they’re gone. I would suggest that they come back up to maintain a player base for the na community.

[latent olive]

you should probably specify what you mean next time then

rather than expecting people to read your mind

[glossy marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodcartier-gif-25860033

Pretty common sense bud

[latent olive]

clearly you lacked your common sense then, because what exactly do i infer from "na 1 and na 3 ?"

https://imgur.com/iXtHSqT

[barren zephyr]

Fix deino vision underwater. Again, this is flat-out unplayable. You dont want people discussing how to adjust gamma, yet we are expected to play like this? Its literally black, i cant see anything Is it truly the developers intentions that i just sit and stare at a pitch black screen for an hour>?

[latent olive]

@dawn hound the axe bite theory was debunked like 15 years ago, my man

[dawn hound]

but this game has beipy swimming as a dolphin, so who cares

[latent olive]

me because axe bite is boring

[dawn hound]

thats your thing

[latent olive]

let it do something more interesting like pick up and throw mfers

[dawn hound]

downvote it, i dont care

[woeful latch]

axe bite sounds like ceratos charge bite

[woeful latch]

holy sht is that a spinosaurus?

[dawn hound]

nuh, it isnt in a way where it just runs and screams until it bites, it is delivering powerful strikes

i dont care if the theory was debunked, this game has many unrealistic things that wouldnt work or dont even exist irl

[woeful latch]

allo is probably gonna have a powerful biteforce yeah

[limber hull]

i mean... what is it actually doing differently from a cerato charged bite, or even a regular bite?

if anything, it's just a flashy animation

[limber hull]

eh, i dont know about that, and i kinada hope it doesnt

[dawn hound]

allosaurus has a weaker biteforce than a lion

[woeful latch]

why?

[limber hull]

its a bleeder, not a biter. If anyone is having a powerful bite force in the midtiers, it's alberto, not allo

[woeful latch]

what do you expect its biteforce to be?

[dawn hound]

yes, thats what i am talking about. the axe bite movement would deliver more bleed

[limber hull]

id say... 200? around

[woeful latch]

hmmm idk about that

[limber hull]

well there's the thing, it kinda just sounds like another flavoured bite

[woeful latch]

sounds too weak?

[limber hull]

if its a bleeder with the ability to pin and grapple, which we know it will do, it's fine imho

[woeful latch]

i get it its a bleeder, but for an animal that size 200 sounds like nothing

[dawn hound]

but it could work in a special way, unlike cerato's charged bite, it could perhaps stun because of the force its moving, but the stun wouldnt last very long.

[limber hull]

it can also literally grab and pin anything smaller than it if raptor is anything to go off

[limber hull]

i mean, we already know it's getting a claw swipe and a pin attack. It's running out of space for attacks

[woeful latch]

tbf we dont really know how its gonna work. maybe its grapple gonna drain the whole stamina bar, maybe its gonna one click = win, we dont know yet

[dawn hound]

people mostly imagine ideas that are put in general feedback as they think they would work, exept I have only mentioned the small part of it. If the devs actually manage to put one of the things i have suggested (which i doubt), then they would manage them themselves in their order, for example manage if it will deal bleed, knockout, how much damage, etc

[dawn hound]

well thats new to me

@chrome hare what happened to the game's nesting?

[urban flax]

There's a big issue with axe bite, apart from there not being room for more animations, or it just being a bite with different stats
It looks stupid

[summer olive]

at least I dont regain it while standing or normally walking. Ive tested it. It only regains stamina and that extremly slow when laying down. I get that herras have the ability to climb and pounce on things blah blah blah, but stamina is nothing that would make it overpowered since it can climb without stamina anyways... Maybe its a bug for me but my friend says its horrible too. Especially as a juvenile you would be running for 2 Minutes and then lay down for 20

[thorny cipher]

I just got Harassed by 2 other cera while i was stuck behind a wall........ great game........... cant /unstuck with players neaby and these nerds need punched in the mouth.

[summer olive]

Stamina regeneration in general of ALL dinosaurs should be overhauled. Its horrible, especially for the smaller species like beipi and ptera. I would say make everyone regen stam faster so it stays balanced but makes the game more playable and fun. But yeah people think something like herra would kill them if it had more stam or faster stam regen, when those 2 things dont even go together

[thorny cipher]

Great game design

[summer olive]

unstuck works for you? I cant even use the /unstuck command

It never worked for me. not a single time ever

[thorny cipher]

yea it does with a 60 second timmer

then a 600 second timmer

[summer olive]

For me it does exacly nothing at all

[thorny cipher]

but with people being strait diksss though

forced me to log

Love the game

hate the players

[summer olive]

thats the usual life cycle of a game that the lead developer doesnt even play but gets to decide how it will be developed.

[thorny cipher]

Im about to have blood vessles expload to some of this Bs

[summer olive]

theyre more focused on bringing out new content than on fixing major bugs and glitches

[thorny cipher]

Im getting trolled by my own kind

[summer olive]

trust me bud I got 3k play hours I know exacly how you feel like.

[summer olive]

yeah... They promised so much things to make it better in the past and then just abandoned the whole idea of even trying.

[thorny cipher]

the weed isnt stong enough to handle all the mental issues

[summer olive]

I remember when they where talking about a stress system to prevent mixpacking etc.

[summer olive]

hahaha

[thorny cipher]

the mix packing is cancer with a 110 population

and just sad really

soooooo many trash players in this

its chaos atm we need some order in the land of dinos

maby allo will ballence the mix packing

[tight iron]

allo will make it 15 times worse

[wooden agate]

LMFAO lunary had the chance to do the funniest thing possible and took it

[thorny cipher]

I need a report system I cant get this cera off my location to get out of being stuck

[tight iron]

tbf you gotta log off

only way to get outta there

[wooden agate]

yeah that may be your best option. wait about 20 minutes and hop back on

hopefully youre not stuck near somewhere like WRA or SP

though tbh i dont think theres actually many places to get stuck near WRA which is good

it seems alot of the places people get stuck have been fixed, with most being in random areas people dont visit often

[wooden agate]

i dont think the devs have ever mentioned a stress system

they have mentioned they were thinking of ways to make mixpacking unreliable and worse for mixpackers in a way that isnt abuseable, so that kinda takes a stress system out of the equation

[vapid harbor]

Herrera
"Standing (25%-100%) 5:10min. Resting (0%-100%) 2:55min."
That's the fastest stam regen of any carnivore except for Troodon, i think it should be fine especially considering that herras aren't supposed to run for very long since they're ambush predators. Even so, the stam duration is 2:45min of trotting, which is longer than cera, carno, ptera, stego, beipi, and the same number as for raptors who are supposed to run around more imo. These are the numbers without any stam regen buffs btw. In any case, if you're struggling with stamina id just suggest that before you reach 60%, you stop running and start walking to let it regen while you walk. That way you won't have to go afk all the time. For reference btw, ptera resting regain is 4:05min.

[wooden agate]

ptera resting regain is the longest resting regain in the game btw

[vapid harbor]

No that's deino

[wooden agate]

which sounds bad but then you realize the ratio of air/land time if you fly well is incredible

[wooden agate]

i thought deino was a flat 4 minutes

[vapid harbor]

4:10

[wooden agate]

ah thats fair

[vapid harbor]

Galli is 4:07

[indigo gulch]

unlucky I guess

[summer olive]

pretty sure they did some years ago

but that was long before evrima

[summer olive]

then it might be a bug for many people because we do not regain any stam while standing and also we have to sit way longer than 2:55 minutes for stam to regen from 0 to 100%. I can make a video and show you the timer if you want.

[tight iron]

yeah it's called the thresholds

you can only get stam back frmo 0 to 25% while sitting down, you can only get it from 25 to 40% while sitting down/standing, you can only get it back from 40 to 60% by sitting standing and z walking and from 60 to 100% by sitting standing z walking and trotting

[summer olive]

thats really stupid tbh...

[tight iron]

yup

[wooden agate]

dew it

[summer olive]

excuse me? (I literally dont understand what youre trying to say)

[wooden agate]

do it

record the video

(this sounds sarcastic but its not. a video that has concrete evidence of stam regen times would be useful for every party involved in this)

[tight iron]

it is 2:55

tried it msyelf and recorded with a timer

[summer olive]

ah aight. Sure will. But later cuz im playing another game now

[tight iron]

however it feels like a million years cause it's like watching paint dry, it's not engaging and kills your mood

[wooden agate]

no worries

[wooden agate]

it probably also feels that way because its so slow at first

[tight iron]

it's just not engaging and mandatory to do so it feels like ass

[vapid harbor]

Yeah I genuinely think it's just a matter of it being boring. The thresholds makes sense imo, it's to punish you for not managing your stamina correctly. If you decide to go crazy and use more than 60% stam in a fight, you shouldnt be able to just regain it while walking.

If it really took 20 minutes from 0-100 thatd be 5% stamina regained per minute. Atp herras wouldnt be able to play the game

[tight iron]

the thresholds are dumb and need to be removed asap

they lock all your attacks and defense mechanisms to only be used till you are close to 60%

not to mention that they absolutely destroy certain dinos like troodons

the issue with ppl running away from troodons and they can't do nothing is cause the current stam wasnt thought of well

it is just here to force ppl to walk thats it

ruin crucial aspects of the game just to see ppl walk around the map

bucking, troodons, raptors to a certain degree, pinning and many more have certain issues cause of the horrible system we have rn

the only thing that would make sense is reverting the changes and thinking about a new system more in depth that doesnt invalidate certain playables and makes others strong asf

theres no reason to hold on to this horrible system for as long as we have, it's unbearably bad for certain things, primarily troodons

if it was for testing them amazing, test it, but if it's bad it's bad, it's dumb to hold on to something that causes so many issues

[vapid harbor]

I disagree, but i dont play troodon specifically. Imo. it's in general made pvp more fun and difficult, you need to manage bleed, health and stam yk

[tight iron]

you always had to manage stam

[vapid harbor]

I do think that resting stam regen should be faster, the system isnt perfect, but the idea of thresholds i have no issue with

[tight iron]

it brought so many issues that they had to allow infinite alt bites, infinite swings for stegos, and so on

in my mind it's the stupidest thing ever to create something new, see that almost everybody hates it with a passion, see that it brings nothing good to the game and instead drives players out but, instead of doing the logical thing and immediately removing it, hold on and break balance even more just to fit it in

if it's faulty then it's faulty, nothing wrong with admitting it

specially such an inmense change that wasn't needed at all

tryign so desperately to fit something that doesnt fit no matter what

[tight iron]

i understand, but the thresholds are the most problematic part of it

they ruin troodon, somewhat ruin raptor, while making other things excessively powerful

they also ruin land traveling in such an enormous map

it feels like it's done out of hatred for the past or something because you see ppl, sometimes devs, mentioning things that weren't issues as if it was the end of the world, warranting such enormous balance changes that it feels like it's an entirely new game, with those changes being completely irrational

it feels like the fun, relaxed part of the game is trying to be removed and instead turned into a hardcore, agonic survival where everything is made to kill you, even your own dino, with many interesting features being removed only to cater to the tryhard part of the community while stating that it's for the opposite

either that or changes that are made to make the fighting enjoyers completely extinct and make it a simulator (which it will never be), being so damn awfully thought of that it instead only helps that portion of the playerbase, and all that while claiming that without a shade of a doubt, it doesn't, even tho it absolutely does

... which of course only ends up being a spiral of "it's not enough we have to take more measures against them" that literally only help them, somehow creating a stigma of them breaking the game when it's its own creators obliterating their creation over an obsession with some people that are trying to enjoy the game but aren't "allowed" to enjoy it because it's bad to fight, all that while making the game even more about killing, which ends up creating an atmosphere of hostility towards the own creators of the game who are trying to destroy waht they themselves created

[indigo gulch]

[vapid harbor]

Yea i definitely agree that the way stam is balanced rn is bad, but I still enjoy the idea of thresholds themselves. I think you shouldnt be able to use up your entire stam bar and still be mostly fine.

[tight iron]

without stam you ain't mostly fine, you're pretty much dead

rn you're somewhat fine without stamina

[vapid harbor]

How are you fine with no stamina now?

Unless you're a stego or dib ig

[tight iron]

infintie alt bites

things like tenos have no issues withit

[round moon]

https://v.redd.it/tgl9cznb781e1 water buffalo

[vital laurel]

@slate junco it could do that but then they would need to create a custom rock for each rock as the map curves differently around them

It’s something that could be done once the map is done potentially but there are still large heightmap adjustments

[quartz meteor]

I wonder if anyone even reads through the general feedback aside from the actual community that plays the game…

[lilac bolt]

they do time to time yeah

[half forge]

they sometimes react with so thats a good way to tell

[glossy marlin]

When they let you run free and comment on stuff 😂

[quartz meteor]

😂

[quartz meteor]

That is actually really good vision compared to how much darker it usually is.

[quartz meteor]

Mmm I beg to differ. I main stego and Deino, and it has honestly never been easier. The food drains to slow in my opinion on bigger Dino’s.

[woeful latch]

i wonder what feedbacks he was talking about

hope they're gonna make east plains.. well plains again

that would be fire

[lilac bolt]

swamps being too big iirc

[woeful latch]

but the're not :(

[lilac bolt]

wdym? isn't it still mostly plains haven't been there in game in a bit so idk

[woeful latch]

not the east, its dense jungle mostly

cant even navigate or anything and the only water source now full of deinos

[lilac bolt]

yeah that sounds bad to have a place called east plains the cover it In forest but at least they are still doing map changes so it can happen some day hopefully

[woeful latch]

yeah

[silent brook]

I had the same problem as @eternal solar td swam across the whole river from water access to the swamp and found no fishes nor even anything to forage as beipi. 😦

[eternal solar]

starving simulator

[silent brook]

Idk yesterday there was a ton of fishes in WA

[cyan flame]

@abstract merlin Alt attacks were all given that so youre not more or less defenseless when out of stam. Though some alt attacks, like stegos, could have a bit lower damage now that it has the swing. Though some attacks might also need adjustments in stam requirements or otherwise, alts or otherwise.

And with how stam now works, if youre out, you need to rest to get any back at all.

[abstract merlin]

yeah that is true then i think they should put charges on all heavy attacks insted i see the point in beeing defensless is not very good but should stil be some kinda penalty to overdoing it els it dosen realy make sens to me that it cost stam in the first place

[cyan flame]

From what I know, there is a punishment, you do less damage when out of stam. But I dont think the alts are heavy attacks, not compared to some of the playables other attacks. Alts are overall there for reach, hence why you can turn while using them and all.

[tight iron]

i dont think you do less damage

[abstract merlin]

the reason i type this is i saw a teno am dilo he sprint all across high lands he stops to rest i set in he stands up run a little before he just starts walkign what i would indicate for out off stam he then use back kick or what it call hits me tail slams 2 time and i died :/ dosen seem like DMG was less

[cyan flame]

Hm, not sure if kick works out of stam, tail shouldnt, I dont think at least. Might not have been as out of stam as he seemed. There should be less damage for alts out of stam, but might not be enough, I dont know the value.

[abstract merlin]

well ill test if the slam and kick works going on free grow server unofficial

[abstract merlin]

Hmm your right he just tricked me then but daim jesus a teno also has crazy stam :S

i stil stand by my comment of putting charges on them then XD

[cyan flame]

Oh yeah, teno has good stam costs on attacks, maybe too good even. And yeah, do be wary, people can be clever at times, dont let your guard down until the opponent is dead!

[abstract merlin]

yeah well i did attack him front on so did not expect the back kick to work and though he was out of stam so was a little careless

[lilac bolt]

@barren zephyr if the migration was just changed it's still fine to eat the plants there. they slowly degrade over time though and give less nutrients iirc

[desert arch]

Stegos out of stam swing does 900 dmg "only".
It just doesnt feel weaker because it still 1 shots half the roster and can be spammed recklessly lol.

[cyan flame]

Well, its still a stego after all. But they could lower the jab a bit now that the swing is added, though maybe with slightly less drain on the swing in return.

[desert arch]

Id rather see alt attacks being disabled again while out of stamina, along with severely weaker bites for carnivores while completely out. Good players basically never run out anyway.

[glossy marlin]

@boreal briar why not?

[boreal briar]

They've done testing on higher capacities before. It gets janky. I'd be happy with more players but I don't think they're ready for it.

[glossy marlin]

well 110 works fine and thats why the 150 would be a test

[boreal briar]

NA 2 is the current test to see how it does, I'd rather if they make sure it's all good before moving up, especially with a huge jump to 150 even with testing.
I'm not sure if its a problem with other servers but I do tend to get some teleporty moments on NA 2.

[lilac bolt]

@unkempt siren they try to work on optimization throughout each update they can't just spend all of their time doing optimization they still have to make and work on the actual game.

[red mica]

#general-feedback message

why is this getting downvotes?

[coarse spruce]

It's likely people think it's too arcade-y, getting buffs from calls

The only creature that gets buffed right now is cera, and that's under a non-player controlled condition, that being a body is near

[red mica]

thats what i like about the isle lol

[coarse spruce]

Oh and dilo, which gets a venom potency boost at night

[red mica]

arcade-y feels make it better ('cept for ol' cerato, thats just annoying to play now.)

they need to buff a herbi other than stego and dibble 💀

[coarse spruce]

isle players and arcade mechanics don't mix, it's the kind of thing they'd expect to see in path of titans

[red mica]

path of titans is the skyrim of this genre

im gonna be so real

https://tenor.com/view/floppy-worm-worm-gif-25128089

[limber hull]

idk what that means in this context lmao

[icy lion]

something about mods maybe

[latent olive]

something about archaic combat

[midnight heath]

Honey in the beehives please

[coral storm]

this - but maybe only for carnivores? but i dont want it to work as well as it does for herbivores, i like how much harder it is for carnivores to grow fast

[magic robin]

#general-feedback message
@barren zephyr

I just wanna say, i understand your frustration, but that isnt the way to go abt making the devs change something. Its an alpha game, all of this that they are doing is purely just trial and error untill its full release

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr carno already has the worst NV of any carni

[barren zephyr]

make it worse.

[junior nymph]

they will also def not listen when they are being aggressive lol

they seem like a angry 12 year old who is spoiled rotten

[junior canopy]

crazy thought, but maybe we can fix the annoying screen glitches when joining a server x

[magic robin]

Exactlyyyyy
Like i can understanf the frustration, but that just isnt the way to go about it. And that goes to the vast majority of this community. I just want to watch the game succeed. The toxicity tho is the hardest part to get past though

[magic robin]

I mean maybe there is something they can do about it, but i believe its somewhat inevitable as the server is trying to load everything in and sync you game with everyone else

[magic robin]

I think thats just not a good idea. Not only the playerbase backlash, but also with the best form of nightvision EVER in the history of this game, i would hate to see it messed up. Plus, while you are correct that it should be diurnal animal, the nights are still significantly long in the isle, and with worse NV a carno will starve or dehydrate or fall to its death, etc. Overall, i agree, but that shouldnt be implemented for many reasons

[magic robin]

Adding on to this, the NV is highly dependant on the lines diet. Have 0 lines diet, and everything is MUCH darker than even with 30%

[junior canopy]

idk, the og evrima wasnt like this + not kidding, spent like an hour trying to get into this server (only one i dont lag on) and it just glitches and then i have to restart the queue 😭 like bro PLS. and dont even get me started on my dinos being dead after safe logging 😞

[limber hull]

it isnt. NV modifiers on diet were removed with the latest change to diets

[magic robin]

Ohhh i thought you meant the time changes and storms or not and bodies n stuff loading in. I think you are experiencing more of a glitch than the loading, which really sucks and hopefully will be patched soon

[magic robin]

Oh fr? Dang, still tho all my other stuff i said stands true tho

[forest fox]

@vapid relic i would check out LastPikachu feedback a hand full of posts up

[junior nymph]

@mystic aurora very rude and making a dino every 2 weeks is crazy you know their animations are over like 300 or more per dino you are literally asking for a AAA company and plus have you noticed they have 0 micro transactions give them time if not quit and play a AAA game then don't need to be toxic about it none of the devs let alone anyone will take you seriously and I don't think anyone would like you in the community.

[wooden agate]

rex has 600+ total animations so far, for reference as to how many animations these things take

beipi (one of the less complex animals, lets be honest) has 200+

[junior nymph]

exactly

[wooden agate]

probably closer to 300 i think? i just know kissen worked on about 200 of them

[wintry cipher]

Used to do animation competitions in high school and wed be lucky to get maybe 2 minutes worth of not-polished janky animations done in 6 hours of work? Which a full idle animation loop mixed with various random actions probably hits that and thats not even counting polish time or change of concept. I used to be able to ID every dino just by how the spine moved in legacy when spotting them they were each that unique. Thats hard to pull off

Like acro had a very noticeable side to side shimmy. Rex was very up and down. Giga was pretty still

So if you do that math, 200+ not polished animations at a high school level would take around... idk probably close to a year of work

A professional can prob do it in half that, but thats still a very long time

[woeful latch]

@split bear #general-feedback message i agree, that’s what we need🔥🔥🔥

[mystic aurora]

u cope to mutch bro, been 10 years all complain about it....prob 80 when the finish the game.

plenty of games where new char comes out every 3 or 4 weeks with abilitys just matter of hire more people with skills. if path of titans can do it so can these people

just becouse i dont suck up to slow devs makes me terible person ofc x gen

this my view i dont care of people like it or not

• u need a 3000 pc atm to run 120 fps people cope with 15-30 fps couse some problem eats gpu

3000$

doenst mean i dont love the game buth the need to focus more and prob make micro transactions for some stuff or yearly fee 10 euro or someting

[urban flax]

No, but insulting people does

[mystic aurora]

i insult the devs not all people jesus

[urban flax]

They're still people...

[mystic aurora]

and the prob have a pair of balls and can take a hit

[urban flax]

That's not the question

[mystic aurora]

why u care i was not talking to u or any of u here

iam done with this bs chat gl

[woeful latch]

you good?

dude left lol

[latent olive]

man had the rare “lone hero syndrome”

he’s right, everyone else is wrong, everyone else is out to get him

[latent olive]

he came back

[woeful latch]

lmaooo

[latent olive]

#balance-feedback message

[mystic aurora]

u 2 bored ?

need juicy love ?

moment i post u repsond kinda sad u stalking me 0 life

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-peepo-clown-gif-20274809

[mystic aurora]

y u sure are kido

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-cheddar-2lbs-insert-wtf-gif-25630453

right up in there cheesy

[woeful latch]

no you did not just search "cheese" in discord gifs just to send that

[mystic aurora]

have a nice day kid

[woeful latch]

thats just sad💀

[forest fox]

Buy a better PC

[wooden agate]

comparing POT to The Isle show show little you actually understand about game development

so you basically invalidated the entire argument with that

[boreal briar]

@barren zephyr what do you mean how is it not nailed down? You do know what a "bug" is right? Video game logic is stupid and complex, if they knew exactly what caused that issue it'd be fixed.

Make a bug report #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞.

[mystic aurora]

i have a 3k pc...this game just sucks gpu dry from 4080 super even so its the game not pc

[wooden agate]

people with worse PC's run it better lol

[woeful latch]

🤡

[mystic aurora]

where i say i run 30 fps ? i talk about lot people complain

i can run 180 fps if i want i dont talk about the game it sucks gpu while it should not

[boreal briar]

@crisp rose the update after the UE5 overhaul broke a lotta stuff :[ It fixed the crashing issues but left so many things broken, and also unoptimized.

[mystic aurora]

u should not need a 3000 pc for this game

couse there is gpu leaks everywhere

with a 1080 i had 50 fps or 30 even its

[forest fox]

When i say get a better PC i don't talk about get a 4080

[woeful latch]

its beta, how do you expect it run perfectly?

[boreal briar]

It's the basically latest version of UE5. This performance struggle is gonna be a thing fit quite some time. Also, is it your GPU getting used up? 🤔 my CPU is the only thing that struggles, gpu is super under used for me.

I only got a 2080

[wooden agate]

UE5 is so bad its unreal

LITERALLY

[forest fox]

LOL

[boreal briar]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[forest fox]

honestly like you chose to enter the beta and you expect it to work

[mystic aurora]

bet

beta for 5 years already lol

[forest fox]

yeah

beta for 5 years and more

[mystic aurora]

i played 10 other beta without these problems

[forest fox]

well go play them

[mystic aurora]

to manny cope people here fr

[forest fox]

i bet im older then you

[wooden agate]

considering they've been working on mainly mechanics and are just now starting to focus on playables, yeah its not surprising. especially with how far engine updates can set them back (i.e when they updated the engine during dibble update, it took them weeks to begin fixing the issues that came up with it)

[woeful latch]

we have a mad gamer here

[mystic aurora]

0 neutral response

all defence of the isle

[wooden agate]

i think we just understand game development a little bit more lol

[woeful latch]

just leave lmao why are you raging here?

[mystic aurora]

idk i never seen this in 30 years of gaming

[wooden agate]

you havent seen development times ramping up lately across the board? you havent seen triple A studios taking 6+ years to release games?

[mystic aurora]

on 1 game, ashes of creation

[wooden agate]

and those are studios with hundreds of workers

[wooden agate]

nintendo, the largest gaming company on earth, took over 6 years to release Tears of The Kingdom, which is at its simplest forms really just an add on to BOTW. half the work was already done for them

granted its not a perfect comparison, but still. games are absolutely taking WAY longer to develop across the board as standards ramp up

[mystic aurora]

i tought by now the have made is easyer to program then the stuff in 2002 by now

[wooden agate]

pair that with a team of less than 30 people alongside multiple issues arising with engine updates, its no wonder its taking a while

[wooden agate]

that is not how game development works what so ever lol

[mystic aurora]

well why dont the just make yearly fee to play and hire +50 people i dont mind paying for quiker results

[spark roost]

Because a lot of people would mind

[wooden agate]

quite a lot

plus its just unfeesible. the community already has its opinions on the devs, adding basically a renewal subscription system just to play it would be awful

theres a reason that they didnt just start selling EVRIMA seperately from Legacy when they released it, because they know that would be an absolutely scummy thing to do

the devs are many things but money hungry is not one of them, they've been consistent with their opinions that the game will always only cost 20$, with no real plans laid out for any sort of DLC. pretty much all funds they get are from investors and/or pure sales

as long as the updates are relatively consistent, and bring forth generally good changes, i dont have an issue waiting a while. i have other games i play in the mean time and still enjoy what the game is now, ya know?

theres no rush really things get done when they get done, id rather have good quality animals with superb animations and mechanics rather than just alright animals with barely any mechanics and subpar animations (looking at you, Path of Titans)

of course we all feel differently, no one is really wrong just best to realize when sometimes things make us a bit too upset or we become too invested in something, and back off for a while

[mystic aurora]

well the risk in taking long is the game dies slow and players find new games.

[wooden agate]

this would hold some truth in theory, however the playercount is having some of its highest averages and consistently growing pretty well with every update

[forest fox]

Actually its also the opposite i refunded the game but now baught the game

[mystic aurora]

same for me

evrima brought me here back

[forest fox]

But i find it just fine the way it is

[mystic aurora]

i miss more spiecies its to manny the same u encounter couse moost small dino are for pvp lovers garbage

[spark roost]

Players should be finding new games if the wait drives them to the levels of impatience that produce toxicity, honestly, it’s bad for everyone involved when that happens. Because yes the wait can be frustrating but there is no need to force it when there’s tons of other games out there already

[forest fox]

We should take this into the #isle-discussion

[spark roost]

Good point

[fast terrace]

feedback pls, id like opinions

[boreal briar]

It's actually the opposite. Games are way more complex than back then.
It's also the game engines (the program used to make games like Unreal Engine).
They are so much bigger and filled with potentially unrelated fluff.

The super bad crash issue that happened a while back was due to the Unreal Engine version, so they updated.
Then that update caused even more crashes, so the update was delayed coming to us.

One of the Engine updates also broke the AI's navmesh which they use to know how to walk around the map.
It was apparently just finished being made before it got completely broken again from a necessary update

If they had hundreds of employees it'd be easier, but I heard like one dude was mostly responsible for the navmesh.
Gotta feel for the poor guy if it really was just one person.

[covert tiger]

i play deino a lot, i agree with most of what you have said except for the night vision, at least in the game's current state
ideally we should have better NV but it will be be torture for young deinos, with how canni deinos are, little ones wouldnt be able to escape at all
maybe next year, when more dinos are added, and maybe deino gets removed from deino diet and replaced with something else (maia? trike?), then yes we could use an NV boost

[fast terrace]

the NV doesnt have to be extra visible, it just needs to be viable to the point where i can see what im looking at
the eyestrain too

[boreal briar]

God the eye strain is real. The flashing in the jungles as a troo or dilo are pretty brutal right now too.

[mild isle]

@pearl geyser tbh this isn’t entirely related to your post but I wanted to say that It’s Omni because Utah will be an entirely different playable in the future so they’re not really the same thing

Also smth relating to your post, people are for the idea of giving Omni better bleed so that has a high chance of being done

And you can get photo/noc mutation for a speed boost

[pearl geyser]

playing the game from 2019 (buyed it on 2016) and it was always called Utha, at the actual time, there is no "real utha" so everyone can understand

[pearl geyser]

and i was having it, but 5% is too low, dilos can still run almost faster

[mild isle]

Yeah I’ve played legacy for four years lol and Evrima for a hot moment as well- I get what you meant just wanted you to know Utah would be smth different in Evrima

Also there’s an unlockable Stam regen mute for carnivore I think- I believe you just have to deplete your stamina to 0 around 3 times and then it’ll be able to be selected as your next mutation

It’s supposed to make stamina regen faster

[desert arch]

It reduces stamina regen thresholds

It doesnt make you regen stam faster

[mild isle]

Uh can you explain that further, they sound like the same thing to me lol

[desert arch]

You know how you can only regen stamina via trotting above 60%? With that mutation it would be 55%

[mild isle]

Ohh okay ty

[desert arch]

Np

So yeah its kinda useless

[pearl geyser]

it is a thing? it sould be a hit for that type of "unlockables thing", cuz why the hell i would use my stam that much for getting years for it to be back to full

[mild isle]

I think there’s also an unlockable mutation that makes it where you take less stamina from jumping?

Referencing your first statement about not being able to jump cuz it takes too much

[desert arch]

You just gotta jump 50 times to get it, and it reduces jump cost by 50%.

[glossy marlin]

you running a 1080?

[desert arch]

Actually really good mutation, at least for herrera

[pearl geyser]

see that one only one time on herrera, did not knows it was an "unlockable", i just trough it was remooved, hey have to make a (unlocked) or (unlockable) in thoses mut description so you knows that you need to do something to being able to get them

[mild isle]

Yeahhh, well now you know thankfully xd I think there’s a site and videos talking about unlockable mutations, maybe check em out cuz there’s a bunch

[woeful latch]

@pearl geyser #general-feedback message how to say you don’t have any game experience without saying you don’t have any game experiences

[pearl geyser]

i will, cuz now, i knows about it, but imagine being a newbi, how can you knows about that if no one tell's you, not even the game hints itself?

[pearl geyser]

i do, but playing solo most of the time is hard, and it's worse as small raptors, back to Evrima begun i'll do complete carnage with it like soloing group of other raptor or later group of carnos, now it's almost impossible

[mild isle]

I mean tbf it's not meant to be super easy but it could be slightly easier

[woeful latch]

alright, i get it, i mean the feedback itself has nothing to do with the actual game, you’re exaggerating too much.

and killing carnos as an omni is like an easiest thing to do if you know how to play right, there’s players that 1v1ing even tenos

[pearl geyser]

i'm sure there is, good for them, as long as they are not confronted to 1V3 or more, wifi hits and pounce glitches

[ancient delta]

Hi, a friend of mine can only see servers from China, even though she doesn’t have any filters or anything like that, and we live in Italy, so it’s quite strange. Can you help her?"

[icy lion]

She's on the legacy version of the game, which is no longer being worked on. She can try reducing the maximum number of server results, or she can swap to evrima to play the new version of the game

[pearl geyser]

@modest kestrel https://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/
it's not "in game official map" but it work real good, you just have to put your coordonate on it (and i'm pretty sure humains will have maps)

[modest kestrel]

Didn't even know this existed man, thank you.

[pearl geyser]

your wellcome

[steep swallow]

This simply isn’t true. My several year old laptop runs the game as 100fps consistently. Sometimes it hits 125 sometimes it drops to 80.

[leaden violet]

My 2080 runs it at 50 LoL. My cheap ass should really think about an upgrade. 🤣

[steep swallow]

What resolutions and settings?

[leaden violet]

In queue. Will have to check when I get in game.

[lilac bolt]

what settings?

[mild isle]

I mean I think the relability of running the isle is too unpredictable- like I have a gaming laptop and can run every other game perfectly, including games as big as Genshin (though haven't tried in a while) but yet I can only run Isle at max 40 on a good day, it's typically like 29 fps in most areas
and besides-
just because a couple people can run the game with 100 fps doesn't mean anything, ya'll are the minority, hardly anyone has that luck by the looks of it

and pls don't say turn all settings on low, yes that may help for some, but be fr, who wants to be forced to play a game on low settings? It should be possible for my gaming laptop to play it with higher settings

and by high I don't mean max, just like medium if anything

[hidden mist]

After seeing a video of a man who owns a 4070ti and some decent CPU, and even HE runs the game on 50 fps sometimes (in 1440p and everything maxed out iirc), my feeling of "The Isle really is in need of an optimization patch" only strengtened lol. Not even talking about myself with 3060ti, I could sit on all Epic (save for "Textures") 1080p DLSS Quality around 10 patches ago with almost consistent 70-90 fps, now I would barely hit 40 with the same settings ig. Had to lower almost everything to not go below 60...

[mild isle]

Exactly,,
kind of a controversal viewpoint maybe but 😭 I'm not sure The Isle being so realistic is helping this any- in fact it's likely the thing harming it. Perhaps there needs to be sacrifices in the realism for the sake of playability or change the engine. (Not entirely sure on the term and I'm not super exp. but I mean maybe change from unreal to something else? If that would even help, idk)

[hidden mist]

I don't know... I mean, many of us were getting more frames with the same graphics some patches ago, sooo I think that everything could still stay "realistic", there just needs to be optimization for it along with the upcoming things lol... Some of the graphics settings also seem to not work, and I'd like them to be more split (like divide one setting into several ones for the ease of tuning) xd

[mild isle]

I mean yeah, I was getting more frames but only by like 10-15, the thing I figure it could be is that they're constantly adding more realistic things (Ex: new dinos, new herbi plants, upgraded swamps) so I still believe the realism is playing a factor but we didn't see that in the earlier patches because there was less stuff, not sure if that makes sense.
and I'm not saying completely scrap realism and go PoT, just imo I wouldn't mind sacrificing the realistic aspect of unimportant things like random bushes on some random island kinda close to mainland.. I don't think it would ruin the game if unimportant stuff was more simplified- like lore plants can be more detailed but just some random bush? could be simplified more.
a tad biit unrelated but between the heavy, detailed foliage and my lack of fps it really hurts my eyes to run around and observe stuff- not sure if that's just me. Hence why I'm for simplifying the unimportant terrain because eyestrain lol

[hidden mist]

Yuh, agreed then xdd

[mild isle]

this bit is more of a ramble for anyone lurking but 😭 with the knowledge that the underground tunnel lore stuff is going to be added and it's going to be massive I seriously doubt this will get any better, perhaps worse- and I've ngl already stopped playing the game as much anymore... I always mained carnivore on legacy and it really feels like evrima absolutely hates carnivores. Like as someone suggested somewhere to change- why is carno more time to grow than teno which is bigger and stronger than it? Like sorry, carnivore has always been a fan favorite, they're cool, and I like herbi too but I don't want to play if growing a carnivore is just consistently not worth it compared to herbi

[steep swallow]

Everything max/ high except shadows

[boreal briar]

@quartz meteor who wouldn't pick that at level 1? It had the unlock prerequisite because it's strong. It lets you hold onto your stronger diet combo for longer as an adult, especially when they need to eat less. Its a great one for nesting as well

[mild isle]

#general-feedback message
Very valid point. I do feel like a smaller map will work good to limit hotspots, it also helps my previous discussion on making the game easier to run, a smaller map could achieve close to the same as simplifying things perhaps

[radiant nest]

@summer phoenix ummm… just fyi beelzebufo was not as big as you think it was. Pretty sure it’s smaller than the frog ai we have ingame, or around the same size

[summer phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-what-what-the-what-the-hell-confused-gif-5148050941166749560

still think it would be cool tho'

who knows maybe the devs can pull an "ARK" move and make it a little bit bigger than normal

that is if it were to be a playable

but if not it could just be like how theres elite fish

the Beelzebufo would be a, well, "Elite Frog"

[urban flax]

I don't understand what people expect from beelzebufo, that makes them want it so much

At best, it's gonna be a worse deino

Also why even call it beelzebufo if you need to multiply its size by 100 to even make it playable

[haughty warren]

you must be new here if you think the isle has more animations than Path. Path's animations are fine. At least it didn't take 9 years to make a mediocre map with barely working mechanics. Path you can atleast properly pounce 💀

I've had the game since 2015 and completely alienated myself bc the game is unfun now. 🤷‍♂️ its trying to be something it didn't need to be. Players are toxic, the game glitches worse than RDR2's drop and 9/10 times you just log off after an hour bc who has free time in this economy to grow for 12 hours just to wanna play a diff dino you cant switch to bc the game doesn't allow multiple characters.

Time vampire. And it wouldnt be this way if the game didn't punish you for it's own glitchy mistakes.

[limber hull]

"you must be new here if you think the isle has more animations than Path"

are... are you joking?

if you aren't that's genuinely shocking, because when the literal 90kg duck has 300+ animations alone, i find that hard to believe

[cyan flame]

Path might have okay anims, but Im pretty sure Isle has far more and far better quality

[haughty warren]

Nope. I've got more hours in the isle than any other game on my list. Sorry, but it's a glitchy, broken, game. and if you cant handle my opinion that sucks ig. The animations are "SO GREAT" and im so glad for you, but atleast path of titans has a proper pounce and non broken hit boxes.

[limber hull]

okay but like i'm talking about animations lmao

[haughty warren]

That doesn't make it a good game.

[limber hull]

no, but it's still how you opened the argument

[haughty warren]

the devs need to focus on actual gameplay and mechanics. 🤷‍♂️

[limber hull]

they do lol

[haughty warren]

they dont need 300+ animations. And yet. they focus more on the only thing the game barely has going for it bc you never have time to stop and appreciate anything bc you'll just starve

[limber hull]

this just in, animators are animating a lot of animations

this apparently hurts the mechanical side of the game????

[cyan flame]

@vapid relic No, they just need to have it raise the tail from an attack again, like it used to, and you'll get a slower attack rate

[haughty warren]

What mechanical side, getting stuck in a rock face

[urban flax]

Do you know what the difference between a mechanic and a bug is ?

[limber hull]

you know what i mean

[haughty warren]

Bro the game has barely working mechanics, im super glad they wasted their talents on animations we cant even enjoy.

[limber hull]

okay so you dont get game development, got it

because if you think the animations have ANYTHING to do with the bugs or mechanics, you don't know gamedev

[fast terrace]

whats bad about the game it's quite playable

[cyan flame]

Arent most things working fine?

[haughty warren]

Ppl in here rip on BOB and POT But atleast their raptor stays on the other hitbox when it pounces and havent been in "early access" for 9 years.

[fast terrace]

pot is an mmo not a survival

[limber hull]

i feel like whatever argument is being blown well out of proportion. Worst thing about the game right now is the frames which is more of the fact that Unreal Engine 5 was designed for NASA Quantum Computers rather than that of regular mortalkind

[haughty warren]

Pot originally wanted to be an MMO but it is now a survival by definition.

[limber hull]

That is... absolutely not a survival game lol

[fast terrace]

i still get avg of 50 frames everywhere

[junior nymph]

ai quest dinos come into play...

[limber hull]

Same, but it should be higher, but UE5 is just kind of a performance hog everywhere, not just The Isle

[fast terrace]

i probably have more hours on pot and i hate its motive and it's movement system compared to evrima

[haughty warren]

Womp ig

[limber hull]

Google = true

[haughty warren]

You survive in it.

the isle isnt a classic horror game but it lists itself as horror.

[limber hull]

How much surviving do you actually have to do in PoT? The priority is always on quests, you occasionally eat food or drink water

[limber hull]

LMAO

[haughty warren]

depends on the server lol

[junior nymph]

straight from them

[limber hull]

Literally said it themselves

[fast terrace]

eating and drinking food doesn't make it 100% survival

[haughty warren]

surviving other players does

[fast terrace]

pot is so easy

[haughty warren]

also, again, the isle has itself listed as a "horror" game the only thing scary about it is the fact that i can get pounce pinned on the other side of the map bc the game is buggy 🤷‍♂️

[junior nymph]

had to do it

[limber hull]

By that metric, PUBG is a survival game

[fast terrace]

you can litterly just camp the corner of the map and grow an apex

then go to GV and wipe everything

[limber hull]

Hell, Fortnite is a suvival game

You survive other players

[junior nymph]

anything with pvp aspects where you have to survive = survival game CLEARLY

[fast terrace]

they market that because of the way realism is interpreted
it's dark and jumpscary

[haughty warren]

The isle isnt like amnesia so why is it pretending to be a horror 🤔

again the only true horror is the fact that you starve in seconds and cant fight back bc the game is jumpy and laggy

[junior nymph]

@haughty warren your in dynasty realism?

[fast terrace]

ive never had more of a heart attack while being thrown across the map by a dibble while drinking lmao

[haughty warren]

yep, just joined like yesterday

The heart attack stems from the fact that that shouldnt be happening

[junior nymph]

ah i joined when the trailers came out

[haughty warren]

we're starting our own server, TOJ used to be around but yk

[fast terrace]

ok? isn't that the basis of all fear

[haughty warren]

We're gonna have ours up and running soon

[junior nymph]

go back to feedback lol just noticed

[urban flax]

Human gameplay is gonna be the real horror experience

[fast terrace]

TRUE

[cyan flame]

And yet, theres been some really good tense and scary moments in this game. Granted, back in prog, but still.

[limber hull]

Because... Horror is a functionally extremely broad metric, to the point that Piglet's Big Game is being considered a horror game due to its art design, gameplay and Silent Hill 2 esque soundtrack?

Like FNAF isn't like Amnesia isn't like Silent Hill isn't like Slender isn't like Alien Isolation

But they're all horror games

[haughty warren]

The same human gameplay we've been promised time and time again, got for like 3 months then it got wiped out ?

[fast terrace]

i don't get why people hate this game so much like im excited for what's coming up
i don't care how long it takes because i know how much effort this takes

[fast terrace]

humans are in the game rn on enabled community servers and have basic attacks and guns

[haughty warren]

People don't like the direction it's going because it shouldnt be in early access for 9 years and be in the same place it was in 2015 just with better graphics.

[urban flax]

Is someone gonna tell him ?

[limber hull]

It isn't at all like it was in 2015 but sure

[limber hull]

God I love humans

[haughty warren]

we had humans, they had spears - basic human gameplay

you play as a dinosaur and run around, cept now its less fun bc you have to eat every 5 seconds or else you lose HOURS of time.

tbh, miss the old isle. R2 was where it was at.

[fast terrace]

starvation isn't an issue for me

it's more just a challenge that I end up surviving

[haughty warren]

People noticed after the new updates that dinosaurs hunger would drop like 3% every 30 seconds

which is rediculous.

[fast terrace]

I felt that growing deino but I'm fine now

[haughty warren]

Deino arguably is the easiest to grow

imo anyways. ive grown everything atleast once and i struggled the least on it

[cyan flame]

Infinite arrows and heavy damage + bleed. Not fun for carno or rex, only utahs. Still, nostalgic!

[haughty warren]

Infinite arrows was hilarious and you also didnt lose thousands of hours of progress

[limber hull]

Starvation is actually done well in this game because as you grow, you need to eat more, as all creatures actually do, which stops you from going

"I'm full time to not play for an hour and grow haha"

[fast terrace]

id say deino is the hardest carnivore to grow purely because of your food intake

[urban flax]

It's actually a change many people have wanted, and hunger doesn't actually "drop very fast"
It just doesn't grow with the dino's stomach anymore

[haughty warren]

i think the death system could be reworked but hey, what do i know, i just play the game sometimes

[fast terrace]

but that's an opinion

[urban flax]

What ? How ?

[haughty warren]

i respect it! i just personally found deino for me, to be the easiest

how about dont make me have to regrow for another 12 hours bc the map unloaded under me and i died

[fast terrace]

goodbye afk growing 💔

[urban flax]

Ah you mean making death mean nothing, like in PoT ? I don't think that's the point of this game

[haughty warren]

depends on the server.

a lot of path of titan servers have permadeath 🤷‍♂️

they just dont make it mindnumbingly unfun to regrow it back bc it doesnt take 2 days to get the dinosaur you want.

there's things about each game i wish one another had.

i wish the isle didnt make me sit and grow ONE dinosaur for however long without being allowed to switch up my flavor.

[fast terrace]

also you gotta see it like
people in the isle want more survival realism compared to pot
like in pot it's quite cartoony if you ask me
(that doesn't make it bad)

[haughty warren]

i shouldnt have to jump 6 servers to play a different dino in fear of regrowing it again

[urban flax]

That's because of PvP concerns

[fast terrace]

^

[urban flax]

The fact there are no dino slots

[haughty warren]

The isle will never be survival realism, the community is way too petty for that. realistically no ones playing a small pack of raptors hunting a dibble and getting a clean kill

[fast terrace]

pot has an issue that if you kill someone they just come back as hatze or an apex stored 2km away

[haughty warren]

bc herbis will just corpse guard it, there will always be mix packing etc.

[fast terrace]

atleast on officials

[haughty warren]

yea on servers with minimal rules thats not allowed

the isle cant be the realism game they want it to be bc the players will never fufill that niche

[limber hull]

mixpacking is disgustingly bad on PoT from what I've seen due to the "THAT GUY KILLED OUR FRIEND, SEND OUT THE ARMY WE HAD ALL ON BACKUP SLOTS"

[fast terrace]

ok why are you complaining about mixpacking if you're playing isle officials

[fast terrace]

LEGIT VRO

Pot encourages mixpacking

[haughty warren]

they added cannibalism defects because they were sick of people cannibalising the same species

and yet, that doesnt stop players from just mauling other players no matter the time they spent bc its funny

also i dont play isle officials, server mods/owners in this game are insufferable, i just stopped playing it

[fast terrace]

that might be down to competition, besides its a survival you don't trust who you meet

[barren crater]

Nah they don't care if you kill your own. They don't want you getting benefits from it though

[haughty warren]

Doesn't stop players from ruining other peoples experiences because it makes them laugh

again; the isle will never fall in line with what they want it to be because no one will ever play it like a proper realism game, as the developers WANT it to be.

[fast terrace]

also the same can be said for pot, people will just kill for sport and take trophy's away

[haughty warren]

Yea but thats why i dont touch officials, i play on well rounded servers

and man is it fun

[fast terrace]

honestly I find it encourages normal gameplay more than pot

I see less mixpacking on the isle

Less megapacking

[haughty warren]

Then play on semi-realisms or full realisms

you will not see a single mix pack there

[urban flax]

They don't actually want it to be realism, they want it to be horror
Tho yes player behavior is an issue

[haughty warren]

the only other realism/semi on the isle is islander and that was a joke .

[fast terrace]

What's petit pieds like?

[haughty warren]

ive tried as many as possible and admins are so snotty and rude

[fast terrace]

I haven't played on petit pieds

[urban flax]

Realism servers tend to suck

[haughty warren]

i tried Petit Pieds, it was OKAY but they cant control the mass killing in south as per usual.

[urban flax]

They also have stupid unrealistic rules most of the time

[fast terrace]

That's just hot-spot issues

Like new beginnings on legacy

Twins lake

[haughty warren]

yeah but if you run a realism/semi realism ban the people not listening

as a mod in a pot server; get rid of them

[fast terrace]

rulebreaking?

im sure they do

[haughty warren]

Nah, islanders is still struggling to deal with rule breakers somehow

[limber hull]

i play officials because i despise pretty much everything to do with isle server moderators and their rules due to some bad experiences with them

[haughty warren]

i reported a rb that happened and they basically shrugged at me and told me to get over it

why have rules 😆 ???

[fast terrace]

True I remember getting banned on asura for something I was allowed to do lmfao

New beginnings is rlly good tho

[haughty warren]

but yes back on topic, there's things from all three games i think could make a game really good if used right.

[limber hull]

i got my steam page stalked and streamed by some server moderators because one of their big community members really didn't like me

[fast terrace]

Lmfao

[fast terrace]

Bob feels like legacy sweaty combat but on steroids which is quite funny

[limber hull]

BoB is funny. It's not good. It's funny.

[haughty warren]

Bobs weather mechanics
Paths combat combat mechanics
The Isle's graphics and sound design

bob will kill your pc. it eats you GPU and

[limber hull]

Oh hell no, please not PoT's combat mechanics

[fast terrace]

I have bob and I have no issues

[limber hull]

I would rather The Isle's every single day

[fast terrace]

And yeah pots combat is so bad

[limber hull]

PoT's combat is one of the main reasons I am never touching it

[fast terrace]

That's coming from a player with atleast 850hrs btw

[haughty warren]

i had to buy a new pc bc bob blew peoples pcs up

like my pc became unusuable entirely, it was an alienware too

[fast terrace]

Talk about glitchy when a rex runs into you and you get teleported everywhere especially near terrain

[haughty warren]

Bob's weather is peak though

[fast terrace]

Yes the floods and droughts are cool

[haughty warren]

tornados, comfort systems, floods, droughts, lightning storms

both pot and the isle could benefit from those imo and it makes me wish they could

i have issues with the isle but the POT devs aren't doing much better, they still havent figured out how to make rain not go through basic caves 💀 i love POT but man figure it tf out

[fast terrace]

I like what pot used to be

During the combat rework it was prime

[haughty warren]

i really like its customization 🤷‍♂️

[fast terrace]

True nest decorations and hc are cool

[haughty warren]

im an artist and i draw a lot of dinosaurs, i used to do the same back when isle had skin mods

i just wish the isle whilst keeping it's "realism" gave us more patterns and colors to work with yk

not, neons or anything bc ew, i prefer realistic skins even in games i can make bright skins in. realism is the better look

[fast terrace]

Isle has more realism skins?

The neon's are a mod

On community servers

[haughty warren]

i mean it could use more 3 skins per dino is... meh

ik it has a lot it needs to fix up but i hope it eventually makes full circle and comes out a decent game

[fast terrace]

i belive in evrima whole heartedly

[limber hull]

i personally despise the comfort systems as a concept, and frankly think that such a weather system only works in a game that is as outwardly insane and over the top as BoB, but the weather variety is cool

[fast terrace]

it's had its ups and downs but it's getting extremely steady rn

[haughty warren]

i believe if they stop focusing on stupid things it could eventually come out a fine game.

[fast terrace]

nothing like an icthy the size of a rex!

[haughty warren]

there doesn't need to be 2000000+ animations when the pounce system could be fixed and the lag and what have you, the isle as it sits doesnt need new dinosaurs when it barely handles the ones it has

yeah bob is.. well. its bob. but you have to remember that game was actually made to try and take down the isle

[limber hull]

but the animations, again, have absolutely nothing to do with any of those problems. Even if they stopped working on said animations, those problems would be fixed at the exact same rate

[fast terrace]

yea nice attempt lmao
became least played out of the 3

[haughty warren]

Bob is a dying horse that needs to stop being beaten so much

[limber hull]

the animators are ANIMATORS. no matter how much you pray, they aren't going to magically start fixing your code overnight

[cyan flame]

Because "assriding" was the best combat according to them xD

[haughty warren]

while its skin inheriting system and weather is really nice, the game itself is...

[fast terrace]

isle has dedicated dev teams, they're trained to do specific tasks

[haughty warren]

Then the team that's supposed to be fixing hitboxes is lacking

its been like this for a super long time

[fast terrace]

it's like how they have half of them working on humans and the other half working on the dinosaurs

[limber hull]

no that's every devteam, not just The Isle lol

[fast terrace]

then some on the maps

[haughty warren]

i still vote stop worrying about new dinos and make the old ones usable

[limber hull]

most if not all larger dev teams distribute labour to departments

[fast terrace]

solo dev makers:
jk

[limber hull]

well solo dev makers aren't a devteam, are they?

lmao

[haughty warren]

Anyways, yeah idk, there's just things they should fix, that should have been fixed that isnt somehow

[fast terrace]

it's alot easier said than done

[haughty warren]

i hate to say it but 2015 isle's pounce is better than it currently is, atleast you were on the dinosaur and not 25 feet to the right underwater

and the isles dev team was smaller and less experienced back then, i just wish i knew why it went so weird.

austro was a little menace back then too.

[fast terrace]

personally (get me wrong here)
I've had no issues with omnis pounce

I've pounced high speed carnos and had no issues

[limber hull]

because pounce was less mechanically dense

like... a lot less mechanically dense

[haughty warren]

oh gosh all ive seen is omnis pouncing then floating like, 20 feet away