general-feedback-discussion

[thorny lynx]

Then why not set a baseline resource drain and have it modified for each map? It makes sense. A single species placed in different environments will learn to adapt or die.

[shy girder]

has anyone figured out where dilo and herrera sit on the food chain yet?

[lyric spoke]

The stamina differences map to map might feel too bizarre, but I'd prefer that over releasing a nerfed stamina system with a map 2x as big as the last

[shy adder]

@shy girder dilo is incredibly op 3 bites on anything then run away while the hallucinations kill them

[lyric spoke]

#general-feedback message idk if this is the right way to link but this was my rec for new stamina

[thorny lynx]

Do hallucinations actually kill or is it just the venom

[still sapphire]

I am hearing they fixed most Ai spawning but fish and bullfrogs still seem bugged? Can anyone else confirm?

[thorny lynx]

I actually really liked that suggestion.

[cyan flame]

Both, the venom is the hallucinations as it were. You don't take damage over time far as I know, but the hallucinations will spawn randomly (as well as trigged by the dilo via its charges) and if they hit you, you take damage.

[lyric spoke]

Hallucinations do, apparently only countered by biting them when they spawn

[thorny lynx]

That is so... fugging stupid.

[lyric spoke]

It's interesting imo but it's kinda ruined by ai being so basic

[thorny lynx]

Something that doesn't physically exist shouldn't cause physical damage.

[lyric spoke]

It's supposed to be Interpreted as neuro degeneration from venom but it's an awkward thing to suspend disbelief over

[fair plover]

Well, the queue must be fixed, it's showing in correct numbers of players, don't you all agree?

[thorny lynx]

They should have known better that people would know the difference between an AI and a player. The fact you need to kill the hallucinations while the real players are still targeting you is astronomically unfair.

What does troodon venom do again?

[low canopy]

if the clone does not force a reaction then with enough "skill" you could ignore hallucinations since there would be some sort of subtle hints that would tell it apart from players

[sullen token]

I was afraid that this would be the case that they won't get the hallucinations to seem like players.

[cyan flame]

Multiplies the damage of troodon attacks in the final stage far as I know.. Dilos get their shadow clones in the final stage as well I think.

[thorny lynx]

I miss the simulation of bleed resistance reduction, but I believe that will be Megalania's thing.

Hallucinations shouldn't be the way though.

[feral solstice]

We could just nerf the clones, like people are suggesting

Make them do way less damage for one, and two, reduce the venom duration.

Those are the only two problems with Dilo atm

[thorny lynx]

Are Dilo hallucinations triggered by your movement? How do you 'ignore them' and focus on the actual players?

[feral solstice]

You can’t really ignore clones

Unless you’re something heavy that can eat the damage

[thorny lynx]

That's what this dude said

[feral solstice]

Ignoring clones causes them to eventually kamikaze into you

[cosmic atlas]

is the ai still an issue? been running on the beach for a while now and cant find anything

[light depot]

Yes

[gray flicker]

sigh i havent found a single ai other than fish

[onyx thorn]

since when a non juv deino can grab a FULL dilo?
that's nonsence

[lyric spoke]

I guess their patch for ai didnt work?

[barren zephyr]

I think this would make for a better female dilo crest size, than the current one

[hidden mist]

None of their patches actually worked. Or for like 20% out of 100

Servers are still buggy as hell, sound jams, many other bugs haven’t been fixed and thus produced new that are similar (another pounce bug goes brr). Anyways welp

[inner wasp]

Am i the only one who cant join any of the severs after the latest update?

it doesnt even tell me the servers are full, tried joining one with 12 people in it and it just kicked me to the main screen. Been trying to get on for like 20 minutes now.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah servers are actually worse now

idk how they managed to do this

[sullen token]

Spawn cooldowns would be neat...

[cosmic atlas]

does anyone else experience ghosting like this?? my monitor doesnt have ghosting i have checked, its only this game and its TERRIBLE.
https://youtu.be/NDFVr-lvCqw

gonna ask here first before i post it to suggestions or a bug report if they want that

[sullen token]

Try different AA & Super Resolution setting. The DLSS and TSR both use TAA I'm pretty sure and TAA is the thing causing that.

Or I could be wrong about TSR using it, but too lazy to try because ofc changing settings-mid game will make the game lag or something.

@cosmic atlas

[craggy terrace]

Anyone know any tips, my deino spawned under map but its frozen and just sitting there. Tried starving and whatnot but it isnt going down, not even the o2

[boreal nymph]

did it just become super difficult to be a raptor? dilo seems like it can take it without any issue

[torn cedar]

So I'm looking for crabs/turtles on the beach for 20 minutes and I don't see any

[sand parcel]

man the clouds on this server are moving at sonic speeds

[sullen token]

Is the south plains sanctuary not ever showing up on your senses?

I'm inside it but my senses tell me to go eastwards, probably to the swamp sanctuary.

[old shuttle]

It glitches out

Sometimes it appears sometimes it disappears

[maiden jewel]

@valid flame
That's not how venom works at all
Baby specimens that have venom glands across the animal kingdom have FARM MORE CONCENTRATED venom as newborns than adults do.
Adults typically make up for a less concentrated dose of venom with a higher dosage. Adult rattlesnakes typically inject about 10 to 15 times more venom than a newborn rattlesnake, but the juveniles venom is magnitudes more potent and more concentrated.

The same is true across many specimens that produce neurotoxins such as some spiders and sea creatures. The younger they are, the more potent the venom. The older they are, the higher the dosage and the lower the concentration.

But if The Isle was going for realism, Troodon venom would do damage similar to a bleed effect or simply cause heart failure in smaller creatures after a few bites.
But that's not what they're going for, so I guess we're both out of luck.

[valid flame]

So in summary, you went out of your way to have this whole monolog when it doesn't matter.
Ok? Well congratulations on being a well versed in animal venom
The grammy will be along momentarily

[sullen token]

Well put speech.

[latent olive]

@vagrant stone try diving underwater to escape dilos

depending on your stamina you can dive underwater, stay submerged, and take a quick breath every now and then

[vagrant stone]

i do do that but by the time i need to surface for oxygen they are still in the water and somehow still above me when i have been constantly moving and then just end up killing me because i need to breath and theyre faster at swimming

[fresh kraken]

@fast minnow this may be alittle late but stam is actually decent now. the more you rest the more stam you get per tick

[limber hull]

@narrow nova tapram is no longer effective, you need a longer run up

[narrow nova]

Really？

How long run up does it need

[limber hull]

don't know, i just know it needs one

[narrow nova]

Well then pachy so op now

[limber hull]

not at all lol

pachy is still one of the weakest animals

[narrow nova]

It can one v one defense dilo very easy, though I don't think it's bad

[limber hull]

it can defend itself, sure, but it does so little damage that it really doesn't do much to threaten the dilo's life

[narrow nova]

As long as it doesn't break leg

Once dilo leg Brocken, it's done

[feral solstice]

Dilos can annihilate Pachy with clones

Pachy is not doing so good in general

[daring wraith]

After I played both new additions to this awesome game today
I have but one feedback I wanna give.
I demand bigger Dinosaurs! xD

[midnight heath]

I love how we have 8 carnivores and 5 herbivores

[fair grail]

@oblique hornet wanted to suggest this to build upon your post in #general-feedback

The risk being that like with the pre-existing sleep mechanic, your screen fades to black. More stamina gain for less awareness

[rare fractal]

If Pachy wasn’t able to consistently body dilos it literally wouldn’t be playable

And dilos ease of acquiring food ensures that it doesn’t need to be able to hunt Pachy to sustain itself

[midnight heath]

I genuinely don't know why people are upset that dilo has AI on it's diet for the most part, it's less work/needing to find specific playables. That and with organs you don't have to be as picky.

[rare fractal]

I also don’t get it because carni diets literally don’t exist

Organs ensure that killing anything provides value

[midnight heath]

Organs give less now so people aren't too happy about that

Supposedly they give less

[rare fractal]

They still give enough

Tho it is annoying

[midnight heath]

Exactly

[rare fractal]

Like I wouldn’t have made that change

But it doesn’t cripple the fact that diets are literally arbitrary for carnivores

That hasn’t been changed

[midnight heath]

I think they just want dilo to hunt more but it's 700kg

it's going to get bodied by quite a few things vemon aside

[rare fractal]

Which is fine by me considering most animals in the game wouldn’t be able to survive even a solo dilo

Since yknow….its the only dino in the game with a ranged attack that does damage

[midnight heath]

Yeah

I'm excited to see how dilo v diablo fairs

[rare fractal]

Venom almost feels like a power fantasy accident

[midnight heath]

and seeing people whine that dibble is "strong"

[rare fractal]

Because if you hit almost anything a few times that’s 5 minutes of consistent damage

Like the majority of the time an illusion comes at you

You’re trading, you’re not going to hard counter it

So it’s just a persistent whittling down over the duration

Which scales with the amount of dilos

[midnight heath]

I haven't fought dilo just yet but I see a lot of folks complaining about the venom lasting a while and I've seen the passive copies in a video which seem a bit much.

I get that dilo is glass cannon-ish but it's a bit much it seems

[rare fractal]

There’s no glass

[midnight heath]

all cannon?

[rare fractal]

It’s got 700 hp, it only gets run down by 2 animals, and it only needs to hit a target 3 or so times

[midnight heath]

That was my other guess, the speed makes it a bit hard to hit given nothing is as quick really

[fair grail]

I think the paramount issue is that even the clouded effect lasts for 10 minutes. Its nuts that a few bites means that you literally cannot see, nor use scent for ten whole minutes. Thats so detrimental.

[rare fractal]

Like it’s HP becomes so irrelevant when you realize it can trade with most animals in a 1v1 to get venom off then watch as it dies

[midnight heath]

I've seen a cera fight maybe 4 or so, the cera did die but it was long after the dilos were gone.

[rare fractal]

Its speed is hilarious to me xD

Like dilo is so gratuitously fast for how enabling it’s kit is

[midnight heath]

That's a really good way of putting it though honestly

[rare fractal]

Like think of the reasons Carno needs to be fast

[fair grail]

Can't turn. For its size its basically just mid. You're trading a lot for speed on Carno.

[rare fractal]

It suffers in engaging larger or equally sized targets because its abilities have little effect on them and it’s damage and agility don’t compensate, it’s massive tall and loud, so hunting things that can’t really fight it but it can catch in the open works best for it

The drawbacks for carnos speed are the things its speed compensates for mostly

It’s got below average agility and low power ceiling on it’s damage application

Dilo….completely lacks those drawbacks, and still outspeed a 90% of the animals in the game

It can even make itself impossible to chase because of the venom clouds

[fair grail]

I've been run down as a carno by dilos before since the update. They have a crap tonne more stamina. I was at a subadult stage and they were keeping up with me in a sprint. I think they were subs and maybe an adult in there themselves.

[rare fractal]

So even if it was slower it has a damn good method of avoiding threats

[rare fractal]

Sounds about right, I mean they ARE nearly 50kmh

[fair grail]

What does Carno cap out at?

[rare fractal]

55

Uhhh

Wait not as a sub I forget, it’s not much higher

Like 57ish or something around that range

[fair grail]

Are you sure the sub adult isn't slower?

[rare fractal]

Subs are universally faster at certain points of growth

Aside from specific examples like ptera

[fair grail]

I was only 65% Sub at that stage. I think I'd just hit that growth step. That might explain the getting run down bit

Especially if Sub Adult Dilos are also faster

[rare fractal]

Speed scaling typically reaches its peak at 60-75% growth

[fair grail]

But yes. Its a little bit dented.

[narrow nova]

Carno Keep charge for 3 seconds,than you can stun your target and cost yourself 30% stamina

[limber hull]

i made a post about that, the stamcost is too high for the charge as it stands

[narrow nova]

Yep

Maybe remove the first 10% stm cost will be better

[fair grail]

Its nuts that it has 3 penalty factors. First of all a Cooldown. Second of all the Run up. Third the prohibitively high stamina cost

[narrow nova]

Cd seems 10 seconds

[limber hull]

the stamcost should be reduced, everything else is fine

[fair grail]

I think thats certainly the crux point that I agree upon in #balance-feedback

[limber hull]

yea i just made a post :P

[fair grail]

I noticed : P

It was very agreeable. I'd explain my point but its summed up nicely already

[limber hull]

i actually REALLY like its movement

like if you've played new carno, it's got a really heavy feel to it

[fair grail]

unfortunately ive never gotten it to adult

Been close a few times. I’m just interested to see how it compares to Legacy Carno. I was a massive Carno main all the way back since 2016. My favourite iteration was pre alt-turn back when TSL Rex was still about. The skill cap was really quite high

[boreal nymph]

Ambient Occlusion: On vs Off // Way too intense

it is also 2x darker on screen than what my screenshot captures

[fierce lintel]

i feel like hackers are always gonna be an issue

[queen mortar]

@mild swallow there's a massive nerf for cannibals, it halts growth while the effect is active now

[mild swallow]

for eating or just killing?

[queen mortar]

eating

[mild swallow]

my problem is adults killing smaller things for no reason, happens to me all the time

[fierce lintel]

does it apply to cerato and deino?

[queen mortar]

no, they are meant to eat their own

[fierce lintel]

okay good-

[narrow nova]

Feel it's not ok for carno charge that can't stun small creature like Omni at first time.

Kinda stupid

You are still 1.8t creature,just shack your head then Omni should be knock down.

[narrow nova]

Your idea is good, but in result, it just removed the stun from carno charge and reduced the charge initial damage.
I tried carno with my friend, it's almost impossible to maintain charge for 3 seconds and hit your target.

I think the first second with out stun effect(to create less than half Carno weight)would be acceptable.

[trail bronze]

did restart times changed on EU?

[tawdry holly]

looks like alot of people don't like this update

hope they seriously crack down on the ai issues

[rocky aspen]

@magic oasis

You made a recommendation to be able to slide down a surface as Herrera. You can! Hold ctrl.

[magic oasis]

oh wow, thankyou i didnt know nor did the guides i watch mention that, ill be sure to remove it from the discussed message

[cinder warren]

Hey Devs , I mean are you even Looking into this Ai stuff? any progress on this ? i just would like to know when i can play the game . no hate , love the game , but its kiiiinda unplayable atm . so some transparency on whats happening would be great .

[agile fox]

I’ll be at 144fps, then when the lightning strikes it’ll drop to 70 then go up again

Anybody else noticing that too?

[rocky aspen]

I thought you’d just like to know ^^ no worries

[normal lotus]

The lightning shoots your PC and tanks your frames

@solid berry that's an effect of the update. Should clear out in the coming weeks.

Literally everyone wanna play as dilo or Herrera. So they choose it

[stone geode]

They should make it to where the dinos match the surface they stand on. Like if it stands on upwords rock the dinos bodies looks/point upwards

[boreal vessel]

It’s alright I’ll just starve to death waiting for this venom to wear off

Ffs

[molten stag]

I was here to say they failed yet again at a making their game realistic and not a starving simulator, but i see that the feedback still is the same and they are giving good suggestions that the devs just blatantly ignore and dont implement... sad

[midnight heath]

@coarse stump Unfortunately they've specifically said that the camera-lock while drinking/eating isn't going away, they want the decision of drinks/eating to be a risk.

[coarse stump]

Well in that case then just fix their audio and remove the locked animation and im a little more happier

Even tho i still believe its bad gamedesign

[viral lark]

is there no schooling fish?

[normal lotus]

There is, ai being weird rn

[viral lark]

i just flew across the whole water access lake

and down the river past the bridge, saw none

ptera mains sobbing in their rooms rn

[normal lotus]

No ripples in the water?

[viral lark]

nope

nothing

[normal lotus]

Hm I suggest filling out the form in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[viral lark]

ive done 3 already, no shot im doing one more

[normal lotus]

It's a public ST. It kinda our duty to report bugs.

I unfortunately can't considering my PC cannot handle the game.

If I could, I'd be looking for bugs over the break and sending in reports

[sweet mason]

bro took my suggestion and put it in the garbage can

now i need to wait 6 hours thank you

[icy lion]

#general-feedback is not for bug reports, #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 is

[sweet mason]

just had my 5th or 6th fatal error too

[coral yoke]

Does anyone know if there is a plan to increase server FPS (sfps ingame) as another way to help w game and AI performance

[hushed island]

Tbf I think swamp is the foggiest region

[boreal vessel]

We need tail animations / physics immediately!! I agree

[gloomy thicket]

The mist is great but does it need to last FIVE in game days and counting?

i started playing this herra 2 and a half hours ago

it's still foggy lol

weather that impedes vision needs to be a set back for hunters: But NOT forever. It needs to make hunters hesitate to go out as it'll be harder to find food. DON'T make it a DEATH SENTENCE by making it last four actual hours

[midnight heath]

I think most dilo players are starting to make a reputation for themselves and it's not a great look.

I really thought herras would have been the aggro goblins but things seemingly aren't going that way.

[gloomy thicket]

classic survival horror game at its finest

[cedar drum]

thats one of the good days on the isle. i mean. you got stamina your hunger isnt red and you have full water and it appears no damage has been taken. good for you

[gloomy thicket]

It's about to be. Thank god for juvi herreras starving before me, lol

[normal lotus]

What you playing?

[gloomy thicket]

Herrera, lol: I wish no nutrition's just made you grow slower. It's so ponient during these updates where ai is broken, the two new playable can't eat each other and gain nutrition and no one's playing anything on your diet. Everyone's starving and has no diets, which makes it harder in the long run to get diets

[normal lotus]

Give it time, people will be playing the other dinosaurs again.

[gloomy thicket]

the day the dryo and galli playerbase makes a comeback is the day I eat my hat

until that day, we need ai fixed. Or give fish nutrients

[icy lion]

Fish are planned to give herrera diets in a future patch

[normal lotus]

Dryo has gotten some buffs, and burrowing is in development

[gloomy thicket]

Like an upcoming hotfix? Like they've been doing recently?

[icy lion]

That's likely, yea

[gloomy thicket]

Okay, nice: Is there any talk about loswering the frequiency of mist? It just brightened up for all but five minutes after a real time 4hr mist and storm and now it's back to mist and drizzles

[solid berry]

idk but everybody in the server either being a herra or dilo is not the move. Be back on this game in a couple months lmao

[icy lion]

I haven't heard any talk on weather changes myself

[midnight heath]

Happens with every new playable released

Any game that releases a new character of any sort has that happen

[solid berry]

ik i dont understand how those people enjoy themselves on here

[gloomy thicket]

It wouldn't be so bad if herrera and dilo were on each others diets

[midnight heath]

I don't think I understand your statement Schitzkies

[solid berry]

and thats false. most games have a safegaurd where the new character cant be chosen by every single person lmao

[gloomy thicket]

like, even as a temporary thing which is patched out in a later hot fix

[midnight heath]

In mobas sure but this isn't a moba

There's no limit or anything stopping people from playing the shiny new toy

[solid berry]

just isnt enjoyable rn. and yea youre right

[gloomy thicket]

It'd also fix the high possability of ai being bugged at launch to have new dinos that are carnis be on each others diets: That way no one's starving while the issue is fixed

[restive fjord]

I would like for stamina bar + nutri hexagons to turn red after completely depleting so it can be nice to look at. Like at full house in poker game.

[lapis swallow]

@sudden tapir free food for carnivores, which clearly should have hunting other players as a optional activity

[sudden tapir]

I'm livid.

[lapis swallow]

me too

I thought that someone was spreading misinformation when I heard about it

[sudden tapir]

I know right?

I just immediately thought "There is absolutely no chance they would do something so blatantly terrible..."

And yet, we are here.

[chilly matrix]

I agree

Who would do such a thing ?!

[fallow jungle]

Why tf are dilos so powerful and big?

They should not be the size of a raptor, taking down stegos and stuff

[boreal briar]

@mortal sequoia I kinda agree.
Maybe limit it to stage 1 venom, where it's very broad vision still, and it gets more potent with age?
It needs it for hunting since they're also quite weak, but not nearly as small and agile as a troo to sneak food.

[fallow jungle]

Theyre the only species WITH food on servers rn

Everyone else is starving to death bc 6+ dilo groups kill anyone and everyone before they can grow and hog all the food

[boreal briar]

Herbivores all have food, herrerra can eat dilo bodies laying around. No clue about the other because everyone wants to play herrerra and dilo lmao

Its kind of just an issue with having so many people playing 2 specific carnivores as a majority. They all pack up and starve together while bullying anything they see

[fallow jungle]

Which is the problem. Limit the amount a dino can be played.

We shouldn't have servers with 100 people on them and 80 or 90 are playing one species

Might as well call it "Dilo isle" not "The Isle"

[boreal briar]

Yeah but then people would just get salty for a different reason. It may help with balancing which would be nice, but I think it sorts itself out with time, after people stop getting all excited for the brand new dino

Can you imagine how many people are going to be the diablo or whatever when it comes out? Full grown ones are going to be everywhere eating all the food and bullying smaller stuff xD

[fallow jungle]

True but I think I'd rather be salty for not being able to play a certain race, rather than being bullied by a server of 90 dilos. The former makes me sad, but I'd get over it, the latter just makes me wanna quit the game and not come back.

[mortal sequoia]

It was annoying yesterday as a FG carno, the dilos can run through the grass which is hard to see and bite you a bunch of times and get you're in phase 3. I know a bby dilo cant do anything to a Fg Carno but your vision gets disrupted and any other dino can take advantage of this.

[ebon coyote]

It just came out, people want to try it xD

[fallow jungle]

Okay? People don't all need to try it at the same time, there's a reason there's only so many seats on an amusement park ride.

It ruins the experience of everyone else who, albeit a small amount, want to play as other dinos and actually grow and play, not just get bullied and killed upon spawning 100 times in a row by groups of 10+ dilos

[boreal briar]

Eh, that's asking too much form people unless its enforced strictly. Even then, people would probably leave and go to unofficials without that rule.
Also, having a butt load of people playing the newest dinosaurs on official servers is very good for their testing, bug reports and all the stuff they can view in game

@rocky vine I think its intended, but I do agree the timer should at least be shortened after the dilo dies. It is a venom so it makes sense it affects you for a certain amount of time

[rocky vine]

Agreed, overall i think its mostly balanced. just that in a 1v1 situation i killed a dilo and died after because the copys were still spawning in

[boreal briar]

Yeah that'd be rough. My only 1v1 ended up with their duplications being bugged and they never came out of the fog, I'd just hear them chuckle while I fought the original

[gray flicker]

The fall damage is broken for rapters its extremely short and u die

it used to be more forgiving before this update

[lyric spoke]

Geez they went way overboard on the organ values. They were a tad overvalued before but you get like nothing now from what I've eaten.

[restive thorn]

change my mind, camera lock is unnecessary

[woeful topaz]

If you get ambushed that much while eating/drinking, just stop sometimes to scan your surroundings. Y'know, like an actual animal. Btw, not really unrealistic : )

[restive thorn]

Well.
A Dinosaurs should be able to see more than that.
Their eyes are on the sides, no not realistic

[midnight heath]

You're playing a video game where hallucinations physically hurt you and giant herbivores don't 1-tap carnivores a quarter of their weight; not sure realism is the bottom line for every mechanic.

They've specified the reason for the camera lock is that they want the decision for choosing to eat/drink to be a risk.

[restive thorn]

People use the realism argument, in the favor of camera lock, which is just wrong.
Still its not fun mechanic in any way, just annoying

[midnight heath]

Not every mechanic is meant to be fun

It's a survival game afterall

[restive thorn]

I mean, if you eat, youre stuck in an animation, that should be enough punishment, atleast what i think

[midnight heath]

You need to look around you before you put yourself in that position, that's what they want.

Just like how you wouldn't lay down to gain stamina at just any location.

[woeful topaz]

For some? Yea. But definitely not all dinosaurs. Most theropods had binocular vision. They're not frogs, they wouldn't be able to look behind them when eating, like most animals. It's a mechanic that enhances the "animal survival" aspect of the game in a challenging way that makes sense, imo.

[restive thorn]

Not being able to move or react is a big think after all, especially when there thing out there that can 1 hit ko you

[restive thorn]

but it doesnt make sense, thats the point

so dont make it an argument

[midnight heath]

I personally, truly don't entirely love it myself Zack but it is there to have players make that decision before putting themselves in that vulnerable position.

[woeful topaz]

Were you not the one saying "change my mind" before, asking for a discussion? Lmao

[midnight heath]

Like I'm not going to sit down and eat if I hear, see or smell bodies all around me

[restive thorn]

im trying to hate it less, doesnt seem to work tho, i would like to like the game more

[midnight heath]

Risk it and maybe die or go off to find something else.

[woeful topaz]

And that is your point. Which is biased, and not correct.

TI was always meant to be a gritty survival game. This mechanic makes perfect sense for it.

[restive thorn]

I get the point of "making it a risk" more than the realism argument

[woeful topaz]

It's not unrealistic, no. But even if it was, it's a game, not real life. Still wouldn't be an awful mechanic.

[cyan flame]

If only eating/drinking anims (especially eating) didn't lock you in so you could move away immediately if you needed to

[lament kayak]

agreed

[lament kayak]

Probably helps dilo doesn't seem to be as affected by organ value nerfs unlike carno and cera. Means they don't need to worry about predators atm

[feral solstice]

Hackers post is genuinely the most important one we’ve gotten in a while that actually attempts to support the developers vision

[fallow jungle]

Fr

[stone river]

EU1 crashed? 7/100 players and cant join

sry, wrong channel

[odd girder]

#general-feedback message
Thats the entire problem. Teno is the only mid tier herbivore and they screwed it over so hard

[fallow jungle]

Hopefully my migration suggestion goes well

[lyric spoke]

Didn't teno get tail buffs?

[odd girder]

Not that I know of

It never should've gotten nerfed in the first update. Everything after update 5 is a mess

[lament kayak]

what was the first nerf?

[full torrent]

I've literally yet to die as a teno since the gateway update, I think it's in a fine place- the Tail definitely doesn't deal as much damage as it used to but the kicks and the bleed are crazy

[fierce lintel]

the stam cost nerf for teno attacks makes me not want to play it

[lyric spoke]

@full torrent 100% based feedback. I don't know what the obsession is with taking something that needs a few numbers adjusted and scaling it all the way to the other side of the pendulum. "Oh, organs give a bit more food than necessary? Well let's make them give nothing and cant ever sustain a pack, that sounds reasonable"

[hidden mist]

The Isle devs' methods to fix everything, lol. They often can't find the happy medium for things...

As bucking was inefficient in previous update, it is now too strong (considering stamina changes since Spiro).

[full torrent]

This is just, exactly what my complaints have been recently. Killing a fly with birdshot-

[hidden mist]

Because the bucking system they re-implemented now was useful in ABSOLUTELY different conditions of the game and creatures' stats

When tap-pounce was a thing, especially

[lyric spoke]

OK that one was the craziest to me. Bucking before gateway legit drained stam in 3 seconds or less, then gateway released and they buffed it to like 30 seconds for a pachy bucking?? Where do they get these numbers lmao

[hidden mist]

Indeed...

[full torrent]

It's just exhausting whenever something interesting and new comes out, some change adds another layer of tedium

I've heard so many people say the game is supposed to be a "Gritty survival game" but when they say Gritty, I can't tell what they want. I can't tell if they mean Graphic, Life or death decisions, or Gritty as in- "Gritting my teeth, Biding my time, Grinding, suffering to try to squeeze out fun"

Just like the Game was fun and people liked it- the balance is slightly off, but you opt to make a decision that changes the entire pace of what people found fun, and the only rebuttal is "Just get used to it"

"We have decided everyone was enjoying the game too much, time to implement something tedious to show them that they should really be extremely disappointed when they starve because they wasted an extra hour doing nothing"

I feel like I had a Christmas stocking that I enjoyed for 3 years and the devs pooped in it and just said "you have to get used to the smell, because that's just the way it is now"

[lyric spoke]

Likelihood marketing gimmick to explain the reason you're not enjoying yourself lmao

[full torrent]

"These kind of games just aren't for you" yeah, no kidding.

It was once

It feels like project zomboids stepping on Glass feature. You break a window, and Occaisionally you cross the window threshold because maybe it was 3 frames faster than opening the door or your just making a lazy decision. You just have a chance to cut yourself- that slight nick if you don't pay ridiculously close attention to it will kill you.

A super insignificant part of the game ended up wasting 40ish minutes because you forget to run a rag under the sink

[hidden mist]

Oh nice now even lighnings during the storm eat about 20 fps, majestic

[unborn thicket]

Hope my hererra suggestion is considered, can't even have fun currently :/

[hidden mist]

I'm already giving up on somehow seeing stable fps lol. 3060 ti, getting 80+ frames on high-epic 1080p and then watching helplessly as it drops to 30... Best experience of all time

[hidden mist]

I think that adding schooling fish to herreras' won't help to have fun either xdd Because welp... There's no schooling fish most of the time, just like other AIs. And the game is bugged as hell

[unborn thicket]

Well, I've seen it more often than anything else LOL

[hidden mist]

True x)

[tardy chasm]

#general-feedback message #general-feedback message imo adding fish to Herrera’s diet is a bad idea because it makes it way too similar to Austro while also being able to climb, the only thing austro would have going for it if the change was made is that it can see underwater from riverbanks

[unborn thicket]

Mm thats right I forgot about austro

Maybe let hererra latch underwater for crabs?

[tardy chasm]

Imo herrera shouldn’t be getting anymore improvements to its swimming/diving abilities, its swimming should just be used for escaping threats if there are no trees nearby or to maybe catch fish if you’re desperate

[hidden mist]

https://youtu.be/npZpr5wbwNY?t=833 13:53 lol even in here guy was getting 100+ frames everywhere before but now oh no the sunrise walks in and welcome to your 20 frames... nice

[valid meteor]

@ember anvil what does pachy need to kick Herrera out of trees for?? It’s not a carnivore and it has no reason to even want to interact with Herrera other than be an asshole,

[ember anvil]

pachy whole purpose is to troll

i dont see why he wouldnt troll herrera

[shy adder]

Fish need to be on Herrera diet

[valid meteor]

I thought pachy’s purpose was to be the glass cannon of herbis but okay then.

[safe marsh]

group bugged
sound bugged
what's going on ?

[hidden mist]

Game bugged

[lyric spoke]

We do have to give them some leeway as they stated multiple times this is an unstable build we're testing

[normal lotus]

Then...report the bugs

[normal lotus]

They literally said in an announcement to consider it a public ST

[stone geode]

Do the devs look at the feedback channels or is it more like talking to a brick wall

[dawn wing]

Stam is still ass and AI don't spawn fix ur game

[left ridge]

“Gritting my teeth” You said that perfectly unfortunately

[stone geode]

They spawn just in very specific areas. If you want AI spawn in east plains and go near the wall, I found to herds of deer and 3 pigs

[hidden mist]

I did several times and they haven’t been fixed lol after a month lol, but instead they prob found an other solution (though I still dunno if it’s somehow related to my next said thing). Like if you broadcast while resting you can’t get up by using H, only fast get up. And this update we got fast get up taking to stam

[dawn wing]

I was in the spots that there map says they spawn in and I waited 1 hour nothing and I ended up starving to death bc nothing would spawn

[cyan flame]

They look at it and take feedback when it works with their vision

[left ridge]

Exactly. I don’t understand why they don’t work on fixing the current problems instead of adding new things which add new or worse problems.

[hidden mist]

Agreed

[stone geode]

Does anyone know why the devs don't have directional bodies. Like when I stand on a ramp my dinos body should be facing upward

[left ridge]

I feel like in general we shouldn’t be too worried about future Dino’s sharing mechanics with current Dino’s. Austro would still be It’s own thing, Austro wouldn’t be able to climb trees and it would be more specialised in fishing and swimming anyways. I disagree. I think fish being added wouldn’t be a major problem especially when stamina and swimming havent been mixing well. Besides I don’t think any sane player would choose to go into the water without understanding the risk of deinos. Having Herra be able to digest fish and get diet from it + being able fish if absolutely needed isn’t that big of a problem, at least not in the current state of the game.

[hidden mist]

How much will Austro weigh tho?

Also we are supposed to have 50+ different dinos so sharing niches isn’t much of a problem I agree

But probably now they should add really unique mechanics to every new thing so the game won’t come to a boring burden, as we still have really small roster

[left ridge]

Could you please expand upon why you think the hypothetical addition of Fish to Herras diet would be such a big problem?
Also I don’t think the intention at all is for it to be Semi Aquatic but having it be able to exist with water and survive on some of the food on the shores and stuff would be good. Swimming to escape is important but I feel like most players would only use herra as semi if they were desperate considering the threat of deinos

[cyan flame]

Terrain alignment? No idea on that one

[left ridge]

Development bugged

[hidden mist]

Probs we reached the point where they need to expand on their dev team lol

Like they have so much things in development rn and I’m unsure that 10 people are enough lol

[left ridge]

They know what people are asking for especially the stam stuff but they don’t want to listen

[icy lion]

The team is always hiring

[hidden mist]

Weird but it’s been 7 months and I still see same faces in Developer role

[icy lion]

Devs aren't required to be in this server or otherwise make themselves publicly known

For instance, we have 3 of the 5 or 6 animators we know are on the team in the server

[hidden mist]

I see, welp then that’s not the solution then sadly xD

[left ridge]

I appreciate the new Dino’s ofc but I would rather the current game be more function too yk? I feel like if they listened to the community more then we would be able to get a more enjoyable experience instead of constantly ripping out our own hair in frustration at the problems that have existed since Evrima and even legacy too. 🥲

[hidden mist]

@still sinew if you need it, temporary solution to the yellow fog is trying to get the game apply any ‘Lumen’ setting in ‘Global Illumination’

[left ridge]

Exactly! I feel like it’s fun too to have Dino’s that share mechanics cus it adds both competition and survivability.
Give hypsi climb too now, give some animals more scavenger based diets.
Troo and Dilo are both venomous in different ways but having them be a little simular would only help to improve the venom people have critiqued with Troo forever

[hidden mist]

I don’t mind their course of development tbh, what I despise is all these bugs and unfinished stuff… Also some balance changes are really questionable from time to time

Still dunno where the game will turn in next few years, with all this human stuff and etc. So my opinion probs gonna change xd

[left ridge]

Definitely they need more.
I also feel like they need to have more focus on what they want to do in the game and what the community is asking for right now.
Do they want to focus on survival? Okay how about weather, temp, migration, seasonal changes, nesting, mating seasons, diets, behavioural mechanics to improve wellbeing (wellbeing should be established which would prompt “realistic” behaviours and if you over pack, mix pack with carnis you will get debuffs)

Then after those sort of things are done focus on the next theme.

I would rather humans be delayed for a decade and to get the Dino part of this Dino game to be functional and fun than to get people who feel uncanny.

[hidden mist]

Like I tried playing today and yesterday as a herrera, I didn’t mind that the whole server was playing new dinos, but the extinction of AIs and constant kicks from any server, losing FG dinos even after safe log is smth. Still hope they are going to fix such major problems before Christmas or maybe after their break

[still sinew]

what like turn it off and back on?

[hidden mist]

Lol yep..

[left ridge]

Ofc ofc!
I think if they focused more on what they wanted the game to be at one step at a time it would be better. Or focus on the overall game function instead of adding new Dino’s which don’t fix the problems we all have been discussing forever

[hidden mist]

Try to set ‘Global Illumination’ setting to ‘Lumen High’ or ‘Lumen Epic’, then restart your game, and when you start it again go to settings one more time, hit ‘Apply’ and join any server, see if that helps (helped for me, but not always)

[still sinew]

My lumen is already on epic so. . .

[left ridge]

Same here! It was fun till it wasn’t. Also it might’ve been helpful to have herra and Dilo be canni for the start of the release and then revert it once the number of players playing them went down cus it would’ve made diets and food in general easier to come by.

They shouldn’t be canni forever but I think implementing short term solutions to overpopulation would be neat in helping people to not starve in some ways.

[hidden mist]

Settings often aren’t applied, try several times till they do lol

[hidden mist]

Probably they wanted to have ‘natural experience’, but overall cannibalism frequently leads to mega packs x)

[still sinew]

Okay well that's a waste of my time and I'm already in game. If this is a bug - then the real solution it to fix it. Rather than put it on the player to turn it off and back on "until it works" lol

specially since I can't notice the affects until I'm in game and in fog

[hidden mist]

Anyway whole servers consisted of megapacks of new dinos so yep what I’m even talking about…

[hidden mist]

True

Settings have been buggy since the launch of Gateway

And their implemented automatic restart just led to game crashes

[still sinew]

tru - seem to fix key mapping not saving tho - so that's dope

[hidden mist]

That’s ridiculous tbh

[left ridge]

I’ve seen a lot of ppl discuss the fact that the isle feels super unfocused and like it doesn’t know what it wants to be.
I’m fine with the addition of humans and other things but I feel like if they focused more on one thing at a time and focused on making a smaller roster work first and then adding new things it wouldn’t have everyone still hung up on how Omni is unfunction in some ways, how Caro needs a buff or debuff
If they could make things enjoyable as they are instead of adding new things to try and salivate peoples hunger to enjoy the Dino game they have been following since 2015 or later?
I would rather have just Teno and Utar again but have the Dino part of the game be more functional. Then they could add things to the framework they already would have sorted out with the others.

[left ridge]

Trueeeee

[hidden mist]

Yep and idk why bugs don’t count as a game feedback lol

[still sinew]

that's a thing? weird.

I know they want you to fill out the bug ticket but like - that seems a little -- extreme

[left ridge]

Fr, they should add a report for bugs too that you don’t need video evidence for too since sometimes you aren’t recording. Explaining the issue could help even a little bit so they know it exists.

[still sinew]

yeah ngl that's just shady/rude. I get they receive a LOT of feed back on bug that they already know about but that seems kinda bad faith

[zinc knoll]

I think I know why #general-feedback message is getting downvoted but I'd like to hear why if anyone's willing to share.

[still sinew]

I dunno I liked the idea

litterally harms no ones play experience for it to be an OPTION

citatioon needed

[zinc knoll]

I see, that's a shame

[still sinew]

okay - citation needed. When have they done this in the past. Do you have receits where they said it would be a server opion and when back on that and made it global. Otherwise I'm not inclined to beleive you

this is blatenly untrue then.

[hidden mist]

@limber hull heyo what you disliked in the feedback? #general-feedback message

[limber hull]

why would you say "i dont like teno AI" and then "make it spawn more" lol

[hidden mist]

Because I know they won’t delete it xd

[still sinew]

I really don't think I am - there were server options for chat in legacy - and there various server option in evrima.

[hidden mist]

Also I really didn’t find any (like zero), so I didn’t mean to spawn much. 1 teno per location is also k

[hidden mist]

But are you fine with suggested things about balance? I’m unsure about galli, troo, carno, ptera and omni tbh

[still sinew]

Okay? So because they've implemented suggestion game-wide there's no point in suggesting a serer option? Weird. Like what is your point? Don't suggest a server option because you're afriad it could be implimented game wide?

[loud obsidian]

I kill the Dilo and the clones keep appearing for ever until poison ran off or i get on top of a rock or something fix this clones keep appearing for ever and the dilo is dead.

[latent olive]

It’s meant to do that

[limber hull]

he posted this in every feedback channel lol

[latent olive]

The clones keep spawning even if the dilo isn’t summoning them

bruhenstein

[still sinew]

Kinda just a convo - but sure, if it's upsetting you, that wasn't my intent. I can only glean an interpretation of your posts - not a mind reader, bud. :/

[loud obsidian]

I mean to be clone will appear 3 every 10 sec when the dilo use the ability not if is dead and they kepp appaering

[zinc knoll]

ngl I thought people were downvoting because they didn't want the possibility of unofficials not having chat
I am not so sure anymore, maybe I should've put the last paragraph first, oops

[cyan flame]

You don't get rid of the venom just because the dilo is dead. There are far worse "offenses" when it comes to dilos venom than it spawning clones even without the dilo actively doing it.

[still sinew]

I've noticed even if you give absulute clearity folks will still seed meaning, motivation, and intent into feedback and suggestions that as the suggester - you never made. It could be that? But I'm with you, not sure really. I can only assume.

[loud obsidian]

so it meant to be like that ?? dilo dead and the clones keep trying to kill it for like 5 minutes or more

[cyan flame]

Yep, far as I know at least.

[still sinew]

to be fair you don't stop being envenomation if you kill the snake that bit you IRL

[loud obsidian]

I agree but what is the point of making the dilo press RMB to bring clones if they will appear for ever?? until poison ran off.

[lucid robin]

if you let a dilo get you to full envenomation, there should be some consequences

venom does kill things without the venomous creature doing anything

[still sinew]

perhaps the clones do more damage?

[lucid robin]

u mean the RMB clones

[still sinew]

correct

i can't be sure, as I haven't tested it-- but it could be. Alternatively it could be thought of in term of;; if the venom is pulsing (aka damage over time) in your body at steady intervals doing damage and the dilo uses RMB to set off an "extra" pulse -- and the pulses are represented visually as dilo clones.

[lucid robin]

#general-feedback message
opinions on this?

[latent olive]

@barren zephyr is that the uhhhhh

roblox game thing where its nothing but pure concept art

if i recall they have a concept art with the trex using a headbutt and smashing through trees

[lyric spoke]

Uh, you say that as if it's hard to get envenomed when it only takes trading a couple bites for most sizes and it's the (2nd?) fastest dino in the game, so there's not much option of escaping that situation.

[lucid robin]

Then again, dilos are VERY loud, and call constantly from my experience, so it's usually easy to avoid them.

[lyric spoke]

That's really just people being excited over having a new dino and hearing themselves.

[shy turtle]

Lewd

[zinc knoll]

I don't know how I feel about the first feedback (which is why I didn't vote on it) but I like the edit feedback

[lyric spoke]

In any case, if the consequences for being venomed are that harsh then it should take some effort on the part of dilo to deal that venom

[lucid robin]

which is also why it's hard to make good suggestions when the dinos have just been released

[lyric spoke]

At least people aren't as bored of dilo as they were with troodon when that released, there was like no troodons after the first week.

[lucid robin]

yeah

[limber hull]

the issue here is that dilo's venom is for some reason 100x better than troodon's for no discernable reason other than i guess preferring dilo

not like, it's better as a concept, it's just... stronger

it lasts for WAAAY longer, far less risky, easier to apply, no timing needed, impacts the prey's ability to fight back

it's bizarre that they added troodon's venom, then proceeded to ignore the balancing done around that and just made dilo's infinitely better

[trail mason]

The Isle

troodon is hilariously fun for killing juvie dilos but that is about it

[limber hull]

oh i still love troodon and genuinely prefer it to dilo every day of the week, but it's bizarre that they made the venom so much more limited than dilo's

[mint aspen]

yo whatchu guys think about dilos venom being sensory overload instead of mist since imo its basically just another night vision with a twist that you have to deal with, and the game already has a limited vision form of horror at night

[lucid robin]

so like, everything's way louder and no sounds get blocked out? and maybe some confusing visuals too?

and sound distortion could be cool

[mint aspen]

check uuhh general feedback

[lucid robin]

ooo lots to read

1 sec

[mint aspen]

and yeah probably shouldve put sound distortion but i dont have nitro to type more lol

[lucid robin]

oh wow i love that suggestion XD

i'm now very sad that the devs will never see or add it.. let's be real here

they just dont listen to us ;-;

[mint aspen]

yea lmfao

[lucid robin]

or stam would have gotten changed by now

[mint aspen]

it did get changed

[lucid robin]

..in a good way

[mint aspen]

but not too much

yea it is slightly better i think, defo not for herra though

[lucid robin]

isle devs really said "screw our community, have fun sitting 30% of the time lmao"

then get mad when we say that it's impossible to manage your stamina with the changes

which it basically is

[mint aspen]

pft yea, i think the stam would be ok if everything just didnt walk so incredibly slow and with such fast food drain on an enormous map

[lucid robin]

gateway update is just a mess

[serene surge]

stamina would be fine on the old map

new map its not acceptable

[lucid robin]

the whole idea of slowing down the game is a bad one imo. nobody likes a slow, groggy game, people like ACTION.

[fallow jungle]

Please shout this from the rooftops

[lucid robin]

why slow down stamina? let us sprint around

[lucid robin]

https://tenor.com/view/shout-out-let-it-be-known-gif-13229928

[fallow jungle]

Also, does anyone else feel the Cera is kinda slightly underpowered? Or is it bc the Dilos are overpowered rn and thats whats making me feel like that.

[serene surge]

i think im taking a leave from isle until ai spawns are further fixed

[lyric spoke]

I really wish they wouldve just pocketed gateway and released all these changes on spiro to test them. Doubling the map size with those changes was a huge mistake

[serene surge]

Dilo's are stupid strong rn lol

[limber hull]

They do listen, the stam system reversion is something they don’t want to do

[fallow jungle]

according to #isle-discussion they're perfectly balanced

[lucid robin]

when i'm looking at cera's head shape and face size, and then looking at carno's, it looks like cera should CRUSH that mf's head in an instant. and yet carno wins in a facetank

[serene surge]

i dont necessarily agree because on the old map the stam would be mostly fine, therefore providing positive feedback. or at least not negative

[mint aspen]

i miss old cera 3 call

[fallow jungle]

I know its insane to me.

[mint aspen]

thats all i wanted to keep from old cera

[serene surge]

insanity lol

[lyric spoke]

That's what I meant :p

[lucid robin]

this game is falling apart and the devs refuse to acknowledge that they're downgrading it. camera lock, stamina changes being a mess, food and water drain on too large of a map, AI not spawning, the game literally encouraging people to AFK by making them sit longer to regain stamina and then punishing them for doing so through already mentioned nutrient/food/water drain...

the list does just go on

[mint aspen]

i think dilo would be ok if the hallucinations either didnt do damage but had better AI or just did way less damage

[lethal quartz]

starting to wonder if stam was nerfed to accommodate playable humans/mercs in the future.

[limber hull]

Funny, Gen 2 is the only playable who can regen stam while trotting lol

[lucid robin]

stamina was just overall a big @lethal quartz.

see what i did there-

[lethal quartz]

haha

[serene surge]

yeah. hence why i said i think my friend group is dropping the isle at least for now until it gets fixed.

[lucid robin]

yeahhhhhhh

all this being said, bye yall ima go play dilo XDD

[zinc knoll]

I've had venom applied to my galli without taking damage (still haven't figured how yet)

[serene surge]

I will say we played on one or two unofficial servers where there were admins actively manually spawning ai prey but like

[nocturne basin]

regardles its getting a rework anyway. In my humble opinion I prefer dilo, but i do agree troodon should have its venom changed, maybe where it locks a certain amount of stam and part of your blood pool over time (as an example)

[serene surge]

when that needs to happen? game broken

[lethal quartz]

interesting though, that insinuates it. If that's the case I can see what they're going for, but it still feels to soon to implement such stamina changes since, you know, humans aren't really in the game yet

[lyric spoke]

None of my friends still play lol. I used to play with 5-6 people, they all gave up a week into gateway.

[nocturne basin]

cowards

[lucid robin]

no u

[limber hull]

I personally think the stam changes should’ve been added exactly when they were

[nocturne basin]

no u

[lucid robin]

No u

[nocturne basin]

ngl as the stam is now, i kinda like it. Hunger and thirst drain need to be slower tho

[lucid robin]

u needa be slower

[nocturne basin]

No u (i shall stop before this is considered spam)

[limber hull]

They shift the game to a more survival oriented game, and have made the game feel WAY more immersive to me, and enjoyable. I do think thirst and hunger decays a lil too fast, but that’s it

[lethal quartz]

honestly I don't have a problem with stamina anymore, the problem is the lack of interactivity with other players. the map is just too big for 100 peeps only. honestly I have more fun on unofficial servers due to rules + higher population counts for the time being.

[lucid robin]

shoulda replied to this one, i set it all up for u XD

[nocturne basin]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-fred-table-body-slam-fred2-gif-19611734

[limber hull]

Yea, small servers make it feel worse

[lucid robin]

https://tenor.com/view/gabi-gabi-braun-ressenty-dead-gif-23239242

[lethal quartz]

yeah, the game is honestly so much more fun if you're on a semi-realism or hardcore survival server with an increased population count - even with the horrible added lag

[nocturne basin]

thats why we need to force more people to create unofficial servers so we have higher amounts, but too many people are stubborn and wont give unofficials a try

[nocturne basin]

[nocturne basin]

xD

[mint aspen]

ok so what if like tribals used dilo venom as a drug like humans use ecstasy or LSD

[distant gulch]

So i have a question what happen to the servers when it came to joining them cause im trying to join an offical server right now that has 88/100 in it and its just kicking be back to the main menu everytime i try to join it

[lyric spoke]

Isn't there a real life guy in the UK or something that injects snake venom regularly as a medicine? That might genuinely be a very original concept for tribals and humans to hunt and harvest dilos/troodons.

[lethal quartz]

Yeah this game has busted server queues, my recommendation is playing on an unoffical server instead.

[mint aspen]

guess ill make a suggestion before its stolen ay ?

[lyric spoke]

Go for it, got my checkmark

[shy adder]

Why does a 175kg Herrera have worst stam than a 1600kg teno it makes no sense

[lucid robin]

its horrible

[distant gulch]

I understand that but I had the same problem with unofficial servers yesterday and i have the problem no matter what server im trying to join the only time it works is if the sever is 100/100 and then it puts me into que

[lethal quartz]

oh, that is bizarre

does that happen with every unofficial server? even the ones with barely any players?

[distant gulch]

No just some

[lethal quartz]

hm, it's most likely just a product of the game having a terrible queue system, but you could take it to the Evrima Bug reports tag? or maybe even troubleshooting

[latent olive]

the opposite

carno's stout jaw allows for a larger biteforce due to the shape and muscle mass concentration

[latent olive]

damn thats a good observation

[tawdry holly]

just an observation but I noticed nobody nests anymore

I assume it's because there's so little food to go around it's not worth trying

hence the devs really need to re-evaluate their priorities

[shy adder]

Only herbies can nest honestly. But even then it’s hard due to having to get water and food so much it’s an annoyance on gateway

[tawdry holly]

I call migration zones starvation zones cuz the food that is supposed to be there either ends up moving a minute after you get there or it's simply not there

I'm waiting for dibble to drop cuz I've enjoyed the little bits of hererra until I starve to death

[shy adder]

Being forced to go to a spot that the whole map can see made me stop playing herbi. It’s not that they are bad but I like the ability to do what I want. Also I hate the highlands as a teno which was my previous main.

[tawdry holly]

the only survivable herbi is stego rn

nobody plays beipi, not alot of gallies, deino is the starvation game, cerato's get bullied

hipsy exists to die

[shy adder]

I mean it’s almost been like that since they released cera. Ever since then teno has received nerf hammer after nerf hammer. And pachy got thrown off a cliff to lay be hypsi and the other one.

[tawdry holly]

dryo yeah

[shy adder]

I actually forget its name because it’s that crappy of a Dino

Yeah lol

[tawdry holly]

it's supposed to burrow and there was ai for it

but I've never seen the dryo ai since gateway dropped

hell before then I think too

[shy adder]

It doesn’t even need a burrow. If they can’t get it to work I get it but like make it fast as crap and make it jump crazy high or something.

[tawdry holly]

yeah I'd spend less time pumping out content and fix the content you already have

nobody's gonna play a game that doesn't work

[shy adder]

And give these prey playables a lot of stamina. Like if you’re not a good hunter and you get spotted you should not be able to catch the prey.

[tawdry holly]

that's where I don't like the night vision thing with current ai

[cerulean ferry]

I think they're pumping out content because playercounts are dropping lol

[tawdry holly]

if you have dogwater nv there's no way you're hunting at night

[cerulean ferry]

It's so sad I've played this game since I was 12 and it is so terrible now

[tawdry holly]

so hererra just gotta cope or die coping

if the devs took their heads out of the clouds they'd realise they could get more money to pay more workers if the game was actually playable and consistent

we don't need apex or fancy things that badly we need a playable fun game

[cerulean ferry]

pff heads out of somewhere else that's for sure

[tawdry holly]

fr

[cerulean ferry]

like i want to play the game i really do but :/

you can only starve to death or get booted so many times

[tawdry holly]

yeeeh, it's just not fun when you get into the game

[shy adder]

I mean I would honestly be 100 percent fine with all of the stam changes and crap if they just made it where we didn’t get hungry every 10 minutes. Like you want to slow down your game but keep these insane food and water drains in. It makes no sense and it’s not logical. You wanna slow down the game pull back on pressuring ppl to go on a killing spree because if they don’t they will starve

@cerulean ferry

[cerulean ferry]

no exactly like playing herrera honestly its stam isn't that bad its the hunger and the no ai that makes it awful

its so funny too the way they've tried everything to get rid of hotspots.... only for ai spawning to make it so that's the only viable place to go

[shy adder]

It is the hunger. I don’t mind the stamina but for me to recharge it from 0 to 100 it took about 8 percent of my hunger to drain.

[tawdry holly]

they want people to play the game how they intended it but not only are half the elements missing but what they have done has had the complete opposite effect

[cerulean ferry]

literally bro and the devlogs are so condescending as if the players aren't the ones who make the game possible

[shy adder]

Like lol so after I’ve drained my stamina bar climbing a tree and looking for a place to sit I’ve lost 10% of my hunger

[cerulean ferry]

literally

every food i found as Herrera was sheer luck

[tawdry holly]

and herrera is so slow

[shy adder]

Well considering when they show off gameplay they use admin cheats then yeah it makes sense. They don’t play the same game we do they cheat and therefore don’t understand how their own game feels to play

[cerulean ferry]

ai already spawned because a bunch of herreras were at a spawn point, or literal bones

that is all my herreras ever got to eat

[cerulean ferry]

no literally it used to be the fastest in the game

[cerulean ferry]

exactly it is horrendous

[shy adder]

Not gonna lie the best strat for Herrera is to spawn a baby carno in like west part of map throw it off a cliff then have your new Herrera eat it.

[tawdry holly]

I feel like if you're gonna have a creature that doesn't depend on speed or anything else relevant to the current "dino meta", then at least give it alot of stam to work with and much less food issues

[shy adder]

Then you will full grow and you have a chance to kill ai

[tawdry holly]

like if you're just gonna sit in a tree all day food shouldn't be going away this fast

[shy adder]

My Herrera drained all of its stamina climbing like 3 trees and jumping across a couple of branches. It moved me like 100 yards. How do I hunt and chase prey through the trees if that’s what got to work with

[cerulean ferry]

exactly bro it is wild

[cerulean ferry]

this is a great idea actually ima do this tonight and see if anything is more tolerable as an adult

[tawdry holly]

swamp and anything east is reliable, seaturtles and crabs just do not spawn

and I don't get having food spawn on the islands if there's no reason to go out that far

[shy adder]

It actually is. I killed a lot of juvies once I was an adult and ran their bodies up a tree to eat safely. It’s just growing

[tawdry holly]

like there's no drinkable water out there

[shy adder]

That’s hard

Run straight south after you eat the body

[cerulean ferry]

yeah i was thinking also id skulk around sanctuaries for babies

[tawdry holly]

last time I skulked around swamp sanctuary I was a swamp omni

[cerulean ferry]

i have yet to skulk i was mostly hanging around the jungles bc there was a boar once

[tawdry holly]

yeah south jg, highlands, and anything east is best for herrera

I'd like to sit on an island and eat turtles and crabs, but you know

they don't spawn and there's no fresh water sources on them

I think we'd get alot more done if literally everyone on the dev team just dropped what they were working on and got all hands on deck for fixing literally everything that's buggy or just doesn't work

like life on spiro was fine with like 6 dinos

and all they had to do was impliment the hypo evolutions and humans earlier to get a feel for how the isle is meant to be played

but nah, lets get as many dinosaurs in here and completely forget about any other reasons for making the game

[cerulean ferry]

no exactly and right when i was getting the hang of the new play style of evrima bc im used to the last version of the isle too

then they went and changed eveyrhting

[tawdry holly]

yeah the devs are not consistent

[cerulean ferry]

i honest to god think they just pushed herrera and dilo because player counts are dropping and they're desperately trying to bring them back

bc even they said they're not done yet

like they're unfinished

[tawdry holly]

people were also ragging on the devs for not pushing them out either

they're in a lose-lose situation

because they want to push out content for a beta even though the bare bones aren't even placed yet

[cerulean ferry]

funny tbh for a dev team who very obviously ignores their players

[tawdry holly]

I think they should have started evrima with humans being in the mix

then they could work things out as they went along developing evrima

but nah we want to be inclusive to an extinct animal we're not even gonna accurately represent

at this point ark survival is looking better

[cerulean ferry]

i never cared about humans in the isle I'll probably swap to unofficial dinos only ones once they add them

[tawdry holly]

I'm just really curious how human/dino interactions would go

[cerulean ferry]

i think the player base would be so much happier and would play more if the next big update was just bug fixes and rebalancing

[tawdry holly]

like they mentioned taming, how would humans do that?

[tawdry holly]

YEEEESS

[cerulean ferry]

who even wants dibble rn, you'll probably starve to death before even getting to adult and get booted from the server 10 times anywyas

[cerulean ferry]

that is cool for sure, i wonder if the dinos and humans would be grouping together essentially

[tawdry holly]

2024 update needs to be just fixing the goofy ah ai spawning and a more enjoyable experience

[cerulean ferry]

literally QoL update

[tawdry holly]

yeah

[cerulean ferry]

i literally want to play the game sm it just makes me that much angrier when i finally give up

[tawdry holly]

like I'm sure they'll push out diablo too with whatever else it'll come out with, but I'd like them to go straight to rebalancing the game

lightning storms are based, but man I don't wanna play a dino who's diet revolves around a broken spawn and niche dinos nobody even playes rn

at least hipsy spawns as an adult so you run around and get eaten

literally expected

[cerulean ferry]

literally exactly bro if they add diablo i barely care atp

its practically teasing atp bc the game is so broken but wow!!! imagine how fun this dino would be!

[tawdry holly]

pretty sure everyone would just play diablo to spar

[cerulean ferry]

if the game wasn't broken rn id 100% go back to playing 12 hour days on the isle

[tawdry holly]

saaame

I used to just have issues with people spawn camping juvis for fun

or like when there's clearly alot of dead things around but you wanna kill the one thing that's still alive instead

[cerulean ferry]

no literally

[tawdry holly]

it's not even an animal trait, that's just a human enjoyment

[cerulean ferry]

me and my friends mained apexes, growing in the ass of the map on AI and then rampaging

whole summers all day spent like that

and it's never ever been the same, i mean the sheer fear of hearing a rex f call next to you?

[tawdry holly]

bruh I wish my friends played the isle with me

pair of allos is easy to feed

[cerulean ferry]

the only thing that comes close is trying to drink but even that fr is not the same

[cerulean ferry]

yeah we aren't friends anymore but it was a damn good summer I'd give anything to go back

isle in its prime

[tawdry holly]

legacy is still superior just because it's actually fun

I really don't care if the guy who made legacy went to jail for minor issues, legacy is just better

if the devs took their own advice and stopped rushing out crap that'll make the game buggier, everyone would be happier

2024 needs to be the year devs put everything on hold, fix all the bugs, and make the game worth playing again

cuz unreal engine can't fix copium

[agile roost]

I'd agree to an extent

Evrima is fun in its own way because each Dino has a niche that's how it's fun. Legacy is fun because it's more "stable" gameplay wise

You can grow a Dino without many game breaking issues

In legacy

[limber hull]

depends on what human

generation 2, the modern humans, are not going to tame at all
generation 1, the horrible orc men, MAY have taming on the table, but its unclear

[limber hull]

genuinely surprised people say this, because compared to EVRIMA, I find legacy so goddamn dull

idc if the stam regens faster, it's still just dull

no unique mechanics or attacks, no incentive to do anything but sit in a corner and farm the avas that spawn in your mouth essentially, combat is just a joke, balance is worse there than it is in EVRIMA atm

[tawdry holly]

On one hand, I completely agree. However, alot of that comes from being spoiled by the Unreal Engine, new dinos/better movements, it's more natural and it just looks beautiful. But that's like buying a video game just to sit on the main menu for appearance, and much like the isle, you can just substitute it for something of similar quality that's doing what it's supposed to do. (for metaphor's sake a wallpaper or a wallpaper engine)

[limber hull]

legacy is also on the Unreal Engine

[tawdry holly]

an earlier version

[limber hull]

okay but like... i never talked about aesthetics, although i could argue that EVRIMA is just inherently nicer to look at

[tawdry holly]

I assume so at least cuz imma be honest legacy does not strike me as an unreal engine product

yeah there's just more little things to do

nesting is almost a side quest which can be fun

pouncing is like trying to jump onto a moving train

[robust owl]

is it just me or does it seem like only feeder dinos are being released recently..

[limber hull]

no

[tawdry holly]

well I prefer it

[limber hull]

feeder dinos aren't a thing

[tawdry holly]

hipsy isn't fun cuz you just spawn as an adult

dryo doesn't compare to it's legacy version

[robust owl]

feeder dinos are def a thing

[limber hull]

hypsi isn't fun because it still is missing its core mechanic of climbing, which it should absolutely get now that herrera is in

[limber hull]

oh yea, dryo can now two shot a herrera so

new buffs

[tawdry holly]

it might because of herrera

[limber hull]

carno isn't even OP anymore, both cerato and teno have been buffed to whoop its ass

[robust owl]

id of liked to seen dilo and a actaul apex come to the game. Herrera is cool but its honestly just a content filler to keep the playebase at ease

[limber hull]

tenonto literally obliterates carno in a 1v1 now

[robust owl]

no way...

[limber hull]

cerato also is extremely difficult to move off a corpse for a carnotaurus

due to buffs that it received

[robust owl]

so they finally hit the short armed hitman in the sweet spot. NICE

Carno needed to be dealt with

[limber hull]

sure, but an apex won't do that

in fact, apexes literally do not matter to carno, at all

[robust owl]

elaborate to me how an APEX is NOTHING to a carno?

[limber hull]

carno can just zoom away from anything too big. Your best bet of giving carno a true threat is allosaurus, as it has decent enough speed, endurance and size to threaten it

[robust owl]

True

[limber hull]

carno, for instance, only dies to stegosaurus (an apex-level creature) when it decides to face it

a rex? carno sees the rex, carno sprints off, rex ain't EVER catching it

[robust owl]

But an Apex would keep them in check if they hadnt gotten nerfed?

[limber hull]

not at all

[robust owl]

they run

[limber hull]

carno would just keep obliterating the small tiers and leave whenever apexes come to try anything

[robust owl]

thats check mate

[limber hull]

the apexes would be a mild inconvinience, but the small tiers aren't suddenly saved from the carno plague

[robust owl]

true

then remove carno all together

[limber hull]

no

[robust owl]

problem solved lol

[limber hull]

carno is currently in one of the best balance states it's ever been in tbh

teno and cerato are no longer easy prey to it, and it has to actually hunt small game

[tawdry holly]

I don't want new dinos I want QoL rebalancing

[limber hull]

if anything, it's a lil underpowered, because its charge costs WAY too much stam

[robust owl]

hmmmm intersting!

[limber hull]

tbh, this update, compared to last one, is LEAGUES better balanced

[robust owl]

are you a dev or affiliated with the game @limber hull

[limber hull]

carno and omni are no longer literal gods, and other animals all have their own weaknesses and strengths that makes them viable or unviable to hunt

[limber hull]

I was QA for a short time but otherwise nah. I have game design experience, but no official affiliation with The Isle

[limber hull]

Hell, even dryosaurus got buffed this update, and not insignificantly

Dryo now has extremely hard hitting attacks for its size

[robust owl]

thats interesting. You semm to have a bit of knowledge under your belt with the game. I appreciate the small banter with backing facts!

[limber hull]

Pachy is... still weak, but not horrible because its predators aren't so goddamn strong. It def still needs a buff

[robust owl]

okay now i might be a lil sus of what you just said about dryo haha

[limber hull]

Dryo can literally two shot herrera, no joke

It also can now do bleed with a kick attack, as well as having a tailswipe and a directional bite

[robust owl]

That is actually cool. Dryo is fun to play but it had gotten stale so i might take it for a spin

[limber hull]

There's actually no animal I can call OP now. Everything has matchups and weaknesses, it's genuinely such a relief after the nightmare that was carno and omni last patch

[robust owl]

i came to this channel angry but now I am in good spirits

I agree, last patch was an absolute circus

[lucid robin]

Ceratos being able to completely halt your movement through injecting bile and causing you to puke is HORRIBLE. They bite you twice and you suddenly can't walk for a full 2 seconds.

[stone hatch]

ive been on vacation how does dilo venom work?

[tight oxide]

@limber hull can i get your opinion on this?
#general-feedback message

[native garnet]

almost 5 as dilo 😂

[compact kiln]

u say that after carno just got a stam buff and no nerfs

[limber hull]

what are you even talking about

carno got a huge nerf this update

and i saw nothing about a stam buff

[compact kiln]

because it wasnt mentioned just like all the other things that got stam buffs

[limber hull]

carno's charge now is impossible to use as a tapram, and now you have to use it for long periods to do considerable damage/knockdown. Using it point blank will do very little damage and not even knock down dilo

[compact kiln]

what was the nerfs

are u sure those were added this patcu

[limber hull]

100% sure

[compact kiln]

@native garnet I TOLD U TO TEST CARNO

[limber hull]

its VERY difficult to knockdown tenonto now

[native garnet]

u GOY BORED

[limber hull]

because tenonto now has a parry too

[compact kiln]

WERE TESTING IT TOMORROW

[native garnet]

teno does NOT have a parry

[limber hull]

it does

source: i have a private server and tested it

it can basically shrug off charge and have it do zero damage, while landing a hit if it uses the tailslam

it can literally parry charge

[native garnet]

isnt yhat just update 5 teno

[limber hull]

nope

this has a super forgiving window

[compact kiln]

it would be nice if the devs mentioned this stuff in patch notes

[limber hull]

also i think cerato now gets resistances to CC while with the body buff

because carno struggles to knock it down, and tenonto can no longer knock it down with tail slam

basically, carno is much better balanced now, nowhere as OP as it once was, and the ecosystem doesn't have to entirely surround the fact that it and omniraptor are literally the strongest things by several metrics

[native garnet]

what is cc

do u mewn carno charge

[limber hull]

crowd control. Basically stuns

[native garnet]

wbat

[limber hull]

cerato has stun resist when body guarding

thats the TL;DR

[native garnet]

i thought those changes werent jn

[lyric spoke]

@agile roost why was that downvoted? 😂

[limber hull]

its like ur friend said, you should've tested carno lol

[lucid robin]

@flat ruin idk if someone already told u, but u might be having the fog issue. try setting shadows to medium

[vast willow]

@lyric spoke sorry for the ping, but thank you for agreeing with my idea for the carnivore babies. The devs gotta do something because all the carnivores are dying of starvation.

[lyric spoke]

Absolutely, it's rough as hell

[vast willow]

Haha. For sure!

[queen mortar]

the isle

[agile roost]

No idea

[lyric spoke]

"No! I want bipedal dinosaurs to have tiny shrimp hands! I object!!"

[agile roost]

real

[cerulean ferry]

literally bro praying they do

[tight oxide]

@limber hull

[limber hull]

oh yea

idk man, i feel like that's just kinda... clunky

like movement is more than just trotting

having to consistently trot in order to regen stam is just eh

[tight oxide]

Its not replacing anything

Its adding another option
Compared to none on trotting rn

You can still z walk
You can still rest
Trotting just is a option for long distancing travel without it being too unbearable

[twilit snow]

@oak marsh Can I hvae that dilo skin lmao

[stone river]

Does anyone know how often the migration zone changes? So at what time intervals? Because it feels like most of the time it's near the northeast plains, and since that's where most carnivores make themselves comfortable, it's suicide to hike there

[west field]

What do you guys think about growth time boni depending on how large a certain dino pop is on a server? So if you pick a dino that's super rare your growth time gets reduced. That could help increasing diversity on servers especially between herbis and carnis.

[limber hull]

@brittle kiln hypsi is confirmed to get climbing (i have no idea why so many people dislike your feedback btw lol)

guess people just hate hypsi lol

[zinc knoll]

I didn't know the feedback gang would be so opposed to having a server option

[normal lotus]

@grim fossil then perhaps we should ask for ways to mitigate the issues by suggesting decreases in hunger and water drain, and increases in trot and walk speeds to compensate for stamina

Rather than outright getting rid of the feature simply because people don't like it.

[grim fossil]

the other half of people in that channel is doing exactly that and still nothing

it isnt about not liking it, its just that it feels they have compromised so many things in the game for a feature nobody asked for

[flat ruin]

But I mean why change a dozen other aspects of the game (trot speed, walking speed, hunger and food drain, ect) when changing stamina back could fix all the issues that are occuring?

[limber hull]

not at all

[grim fossil]

theres so much basic stuff ppl been asking that they never even mention, so why censor ourselves?

[flat ruin]

And dondi also said he's against changing the nutriet drains

[normal lotus]

I'm just gonna head out for now. I don't wanna deal with this today.

[grim fossil]

its a feedback channel and my feedback is: I stopped playing the game bc of that change. Thats a very important info about player retention. If they dont fix that I probly wont come back, same for many other people. If they dont care, well, then I'll part away. But I dont need to force myself into accepting bad design bc it might hurt a devs feelings. Devs for sure dont mind telling us we're babies who dont know how to play their bad designed update. So why bother. I liked the game before and I'm just doing what I can to help it getting better again. Besides, I know the devs need rest soon and maybe next year they will get a fresh start to work on all of these issues.

[grim fossil]

sure, peace ✌️

[lyric pollen]

@neat ivy its a visualization of ur body fighting off the venom in its system

[neat ivy]

None of this makes any sense, the hallucination causing damage. I simply took two bites from a dilo and started hallucinating, and I DIED from hallucination while the dilo was hiding, resting in a bush. This is honestly ridiculous and broke the game.

The hallucination is meant to confuse the enemy and assist the player in hunting, not for the hallucination to hunt on its own. The guy gives you two bites and then goes away, waiting for you to die. That's it.

[lyric pollen]

run up to the hallicnatiosn and bite them before they bite u, its simple

the hallucinations dealing damage do you is a visualization of the venom hurting you

and whne u kill one of the hallcinations thats a visualization of ur body sucsesfully fighting off the venom

[valid brook]

@cobalt galleon

[cobalt galleon]

WAI WHATT

does it still have that nasty stamina??

[lyric pollen]

no

its the 6.5 update

[valid brook]

nope its the update right before gateway released

[lyric pollen]

also stamina isnt nasty!

[cobalt galleon]

It is you literally cannot do anything 💀

[lyric pollen]

i can do lots of things, i think its a skill issue on your end

[cobalt galleon]

In the new update mostly of all of your attacks revolve around stamina and it tastes centuries to regain it

[vital laurel]

@neat ivy it’s just interactive DoT…

[valid brook]

they do mention aswell

[limber hull]

stam conservation ain't an issue to me lol

[cobalt galleon]

not a skill issue just bland ahh gameplay i’m not gonna play

im not sitting there for like 4 mins to regain stam

[lyric pollen]

then dont spend all of ur stam in one go?

[limber hull]

if you want bland ahh gameplay, Spiro is still an option

[valid brook]

With current balance of things, being food/hunger/stam/combat. the amount of stam you have available isnt an issue (for the majority of dinos) but the regen slightly is. it does need some tweaking but in the end they can get it working well

[cobalt galleon]

spiro is much better goodnight 💀

[vital laurel]

For half the growth as Petra it’s impossible

And Filipe even admitted hunger drain is to fast on gateway

[limber hull]

legit ptera is still the easiest playable for me to grow

[cobalt galleon]

Literally that aswell

[limber hull]

i'd be fine with a hunger buff

[vital laurel]

Have you played it this update?

[cobalt galleon]

and there’s no ai at all

[limber hull]

yes. to fullgrown. several times

[lyric pollen]

hunger and water drain is what makes stam seem bad.

[vital laurel]

What server?

[limber hull]

AU?

[vital laurel]

I’ve played 5 times on petit pieds and starved every time

[cobalt galleon]

it’s still terrible

[vital laurel]

A lot of ppl are having issues with it

[lyric pollen]

thats a food and water drain issue not stam

[cobalt galleon]

I wonder what’s preventing you from looking for food

[vital laurel]

I still don’t want to rest for that long after just flying to highlands as juvi Petra from spawn which is like the only chance you have at survival

[valid brook]

the only thing, personally, i think they need to do with stam. is slight buff to regen across the board. Sitting should regen your stam the fastest, standing slightly slower. walking even slower, and you should be able to regen while trotting (for mostly combat purposes) it shouldnt be crazy fast at all. but just enough

[cobalt galleon]

Hint hint (Stamina)

and the no stam regen thing while walking is foolish imo

[valid brook]

and with the hunger thirst thing. just buffing how much food and water you can carry at one time would be plenty. no need to make you eat or drink faster, just have it last longer. played for an hour and a half last night as pachys. died 2 times had to drink 5 times

its, to say the least. a bit quick

(and i drink around 50% water. sometimes lower, rarely higher unless its just right there)

[cobalt galleon]

I feel like drinking is too slow

[valid brook]

it is a little. but its a non-issue really as you can still drink and it doesnt take 7 minutes to do so. it's a little inconvienent but thats it. very livable

[cobalt galleon]

still

[vital laurel]

Yes it’s so not fun being forced to sit for minutes on end at times just cus you ran 5 metres a couple times while migrating just let me recover that little bit of stamina I drain it’s like never more than 1/4 unless I’m in a bad situation

[valid brook]

yeah it wouldnt be as bad as an issue if it wasnt a "go to migration or starve" for literally every dino in the game

[cobalt galleon]

I’m tired of that ‘give deino more opportunities’ crap and just the amount of water you have to cross to reach the migration

it’s just not fun overall

[valid brook]

and with the AI spawns working as they are now, you have to be around more players to get more spawns

[valid brook]

to be fair most water you can cross on bridges now

[vital laurel]

I mean as cera I’ve almost starved several times when I arrived at costal migration zones

[valid brook]

it can be rough

[cobalt galleon]

I’m talking about them spamming rivers literally everywhere

there’s not many

[valid brook]

and they've stated they wanted to make it hard on deinos

[cobalt galleon]

Well it’s not hard on deinos right now 💀

[valid brook]

ehhh its better than spiro though. atleast you dont have to cross the 1 river to get from point a to b.

[valid brook]

yeah.. they did make deino like the easiest to play currently (exluding cannis)

[cobalt galleon]

I’d rather cross at spiro it’s less tough

[valid brook]

you must just be gettin unlucky

i've never had issues moving about on gateway

[cobalt galleon]

I’ve never either but it’s just annoying

[valid brook]

to be fair though i typically hang around one migration zone and dont try to cross the map as thers not much reason to

[cobalt galleon]

as far as water but they’re babying deino

[vital laurel]

I’ve gotten killed by a denio less then i Stavre

[cobalt galleon]

You cannot tell me they aren’t

You can grow a deino without effort so easily yet it’s supposed to be hard on them

[vital laurel]

It’s hard for them to get into some of the pools

[valid brook]

they arent. spiro was gator heaven. gateway is a bit more ofa nightmare....... if they fix the migrations being the only place for food

[vital laurel]

Like east plains

U can’t get there as denio

[valid brook]

if food was spread through out the map. it would be incredibly difficult for deinos to exists other than through canniing

[valid brook]

about that

[vital laurel]

You can?

[valid brook]

died to a deino in eastplains last night that was sitting in a puddle

[cobalt galleon]

Which I feel like they should do to cut down on the deinos

[valid brook]

it was FG

[vital laurel]

I’ve never seen one there lol

[cobalt galleon]

Now that’s make it harder

[valid brook]

i had the joys of my 2nd time ever dying to a deino (when i didnt want to die) being this guy

XD i didnt wanna drink there either cause we knew he was there, but was banking on them not being able to get in after restart

[vital laurel]

Migrations would loose importance and create a mega hotspot at highlands and NE

[valid brook]

my thought on migrations right now. is make a new diet that is widespread (not abundant. just available enough) through the map. this diet would do nothing except prevent debuffs. not even growth buffs. this would allow migrations to still be a hot spot, and anyone who wants diet buffs (herbi wise) would have to go there. and this would also allow for players, both herbi and carni, to feel more comfortable moving about the map and exploring it

[vital laurel]

So like ai wouldn’t give a diet anymore?

And there would be new plants that don’t give diet but no de buff?

[valid brook]

depends how they do it. i dont know how to make a carnivore balance in that regard unless they made ai spawn just randomly. but atleast for herbis having a plant that would just prevents debuff

[valid brook]

exactly. no debuff. no buff

literally just "you arent starving. and you arent getting 10000% debuffs"

havent thought into the carnivore version of the diet

[vital laurel]

Or they just plant a non diet plant around the map and make it so you don’t get bebuffs if ur over a certain amount of food

[normal lotus]

Maybe more generalist animals could have them as beneficial diets? Allowing them to stay outside of migrations.

[valid brook]

oh you know what. easy. this follows this. Eating anything that is a non-diet gives you "neutral" diet (aka this supposed 4th diet)

[vital laurel]

Ehhh diet looses regard a lot then

[karmic copper]

Rip to my full dilo dying of hunger

[valid brook]

not really. the buffs do a LOT (especially with the stam one for carnivores) if you want to have these buffs you have to go to migrations. if not you can just live without them. and i dont think they should make food abundant. just enough to have 1 maybe 2 diets max of this neutral diet (plant wise) cause the other option is to make food widely spread at all times, which makes migrations redundant.

Currently with migrations being the only place for food, them saying they want to slow down the game with the stam change, then having food and water the way it is currently, including diets, is just heavily counteracting one another. one way or another they either need hunger to last a LONG time, or a way to refill hunger/diet without going to 1 place on the map

[vital laurel]

Wise words, it would be fun made a couple public tests either stuff like this

[boreal vessel]

Guys. When you’re a 30% dinosaur and you kill a Dino your size - this Dino’s organs should fill up your diets easily. How they used to.

No way in hell should a 30% Dino lung or heart not be enough to fill up your diet value. It’s ridiculous

[radiant nest]

@frozen pivot the next playable will be Diablo, and trike will probably come within a year

[midnight heath]

Trike won't be on officials though like rex, yeah? I don't really count that.

[frozen pivot]

its prolly the dilo hype right now but the herbivore players are so rare right now

[radiant nest]

Eh, I guess. I almost never play on officials though so I’m treating it like any normal playable

[radiant nest]

Yep

[midnight heath]

I genuinely truly, personally think dilo is very mid and do not understand the hype.

Herra is really fun though

[radiant nest]

Fighting dilo should be the most hyped thing this update, it’s so fun

[midnight heath]

Fighting dilo, not being the dilo

[frozen pivot]

yeah we did some teno vs dilo tests and the guy playing dilo never won

[midnight heath]

I just didn't feel any excitement playing dilo myself

[radiant nest]

Yeah, although I like dilo for the sound design, model, and speed as well

[untold thistle]

That's because at best it is mid. It's just a Troodon too big to hide in the grass. You get much closer to kill then the Troodon does but still lose to the whole roster

[midnight heath]

All of that is really nice, dilo though currently breaks my audio more than anything.

[midnight heath]

I genuinely think troodon is more fun than dilo

Troodon hunting is engaging at least

Not just bite 3 times and then spam a command.

[limber hull]

legit lol

if only troodon got the same level of venom flexibility that dilo got

[boreal vessel]

What is the dilos max weight in game?

[midnight heath]

I can't believe people thought dilo would somehow overstep troodon as if the two are anything alike really aside both being venomous carnivores.

[midnight heath]

700kg

[boreal vessel]

Nice

[unique gyro]

What is dilo biteforce?

[limber hull]

85

[unique gyro]

Thanks man

[midnight heath]

I forgot to mention; cera can't make deino vomit yeah? That's never changed?

I got bit quite a few times by a cera today and my stomach did fill with bile as if I'd vomit.

I was genuinely unsure because I don't recall seeing the bile buildup on deino before.

[limber hull]

deino cannot pukey

[midnight heath]

So it's just a visual thing then, thank God.

I know I bit that fella alot and he seemingly took no DMG while on that body, I know body buff does alot but my god.

Granted I was maybe 35% - 40%ish growth

[neat ivy]

@barren zephyr thats the isle and not path of titans

[midnight heath]

My exact thoughts, while I enjoy some of POT's gemicks it's not what the Isle strives to be.

[barren zephyr]

?

[midnight heath]

I'd love a den with trophies but it just ain't this game.

[barren zephyr]

What are you talking about LMAO

[neat ivy]

your pve suggestion

[barren zephyr]

has nothing to do with PoT

[midnight heath]

The things you're suggesting Slyfer in terms of events, collecting, etc. It's very on par with PoT's dailies and such.

Same ball park

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but it's something besides pvp

[neat ivy]

Man thinks thats path of titans, if u want to grab sticks go away playing it

[barren zephyr]

When you're not pvping, what are you doing besides AFKing, or wandering around looking for the next thing to fight and kill

God forbid I be allowed to have fun in a game

Plus picking up sticks don't hurt nobody, gives me something to do xD

[neat ivy]

touch some sticks man, go outside

[barren zephyr]

So you're against the suggestion bc it's like PoT.. give a real reason

Bc that ain't a real reason

That's like saying Isle shouldn't have humans bc it's like Primal Carnage

[neat ivy]

I dont like PoT, thats it 😄

[barren zephyr]

That's dumb

[midnight heath]

Personally I don't do a lot of PvP in the Isle, when I'm not hunting I'm interacting with other creatures or nesting really.

[neat ivy]

I dont want to grab sticks

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but if you're on your own, what else could you do?

The game relies solely on players for any sort of gameplay or interaction

[neat ivy]

PVP

[barren zephyr]

Then don't, that's the great thing

It's optional, it's just a gimmick for people like me

[midnight heath]

Personally; I play the game to be a dinosaur, sitting might be boring for alot of folks but I like watching other little guys do stuff. Seeing people run up to me not knowing my intentions is fun and vise versa.

[barren zephyr]

That still relies solely on other players

[midnight heath]

It's a game full of other players

I will see other players

[neat ivy]

Bro why u want an The Sims dinosaur game? i mean, why u want to customize your nest

[barren zephyr]

Y'all are completely missing the point I'm making. Without players, there's nothing else to do

[barren zephyr]

For fun

Why not have those as options?

[zinc knoll]

I don't like much the major events, but the rest sounds good.

[barren zephyr]

Ye I didn't know what to suggest for major events so I just listed some random things

[neat ivy]

Idk, cuz its random stuff, i never seen an real dinosaur customize their nest, u want a pink or a red nest, with rock or sticks

[midnight heath]

Sure but it's a multipler game, it revolves around multipler in general.

[barren zephyr]

I never said color, just the material that's in the nest. And birds do this irl?

[midnight heath]

It's not aimed towards single-player

[neat ivy]

So ur saying dinosaurs are birds?