general-feedback-discussion

[void crow]

ANY conversation?

"Mr. President! We're going to be destroyed be aliens!" President: "ok"

[jovial hazel]

ok

[faint folio]

That's a valid option. You can do that and just accept being destroyed by aliens

[exotic hull]

👳🏿‍♂️

[icy lion]

@naive fractal Rename the game folder in Steam, it'll let you keep both

[naive fractal]

@icy lion is there a yt i can follow for it?

if so could you link it

[icy lion]

Right click the game in your Steam library, click Manage, click Browse local files. Once there, back out to common and rename The Isle to anything else (ie you could call it The Isle Legacy). I recommend keeping the legacy version as the renamed one, since evrima receives updates. Then swap branches and install the other version

[naive fractal]

alright, thanks @icy lion

[void crow]

@rocky vine You have to press X for nightvision. If that doesn't work you'll have to delete your "saved" folder.

[limber hull]

@cedar drum i would agree if not for the fact that most carnivores can easily sustain themselves atm, the only time starvation is a true threat is really when nesting

[cedar drum]

They can sustain themselves until they can’t

And they should be able to nest without it being a death sentence

[limber hull]

buffing hunger times on carnivores only makes it easier to be a carni

and tbh, it's already... very easy

[cedar drum]

Well then make the growth time longer

[limber hull]

that doesn't make it harder tho

that just makes it more tedious, which is not the same as difficult

[urban flax]

Yes, replace an artificial way of inflating difficulty with another artificial way of inflating difficulty

[limber hull]

starvation necessitates you engage more with danger. longer growth times does the exact opposite

in fact, all this would do would further AFK growing

[urban flax]

Can't wait to spend 4 hours growing in a bush as omni

[cedar drum]

But starvation is all the time currently

Yeah starvation should be dangerous but it shouldn’t be as low as it is now

Of course some creatures can get around this

Ceratosaurus has the stamina and can smell any rotten corpse on the island

[cedar drum]

Stamina is also going to be tied to your hunger. If you end up low on food you will be worse at running. If you do afk grow you will find out why that’s a bad idea

[barren crater]

Get a kill and then nest

[proud coral]

I still want starvation itself to be a bit more interesting. Instead of just immediately losing health, you should rapidly start losing any nutrients you have while getting weaker, then start dying. More cool that way in my eyes.

[cedar drum]

Then the food rots and 3 ceras roll up

[barren crater]

Don’t have it on your nest. Also it takes a while for it to rot. By the time they’re juvis it will still be edible and it keeps you going

Hatchling stage is fast

[cedar drum]

I just think that all creatures In general should have higher hunger

[barren crater]

I don’t. Makes it so nothing starves. Don’t want a legacy repeat where starvation was not even a threat.

[cedar drum]

You should starve faster than in legacy but slower than now

[barren crater]

Fair

Carno at most an hour is fine I guess

Same for cera

[cedar drum]

Nah cera should have faster hunger drain than carno

Simply because it can smell and eat everything

[barren crater]

I still think an hour on a map as large as gateway makes sense

[cedar drum]

I think carno should have 1h 10m - 1h 25m

Around there I think it’s good

[limber hull]

waaayyy too long

i think carno should have a fast stomach, but a small one

eat less food more frequently

[cedar drum]

That just leads to carno killing more small things

[barren crater]

I think it balances out. The current food values are carried by organs giving a lot of food

[limber hull]

yea

[cedar drum]

Or carno killing more everything but not being able to finish the food causing more lag

[limber hull]

if it were properly balanced, it shouldn't

[cedar drum]

Well that’s the question. How would carno be properly balanced

[limber hull]

not designed as a warhead would be a good start

charge with 200-250 damage, staggers instead of knockdowns on anything above 50% its own weight, less stam melting on both running and charging, smaller stomach to actually let it eat what it's meant to hunt, not having it have some insane vulnerability to bleed

[cedar drum]

How high would the bite damage be?

[limber hull]

200 probably

175 is still a dumb number

arbitrary nerf

[cedar drum]

So the charge should do 50 more damage than the bite…

[limber hull]

yes

it allows for easy bite combos

hence making it worth using as an initiator for high burst damage

considering it's a combo tool, it also doesn't need to be a nuke

[cedar drum]

I agree that the charge is too high but it’s currently like 475 I think just 300 is fine

[limber hull]

it's 350

it only does 475 because it can also headshot

300 is far too much

200-250 is a fine amount

you don't need a nuke for a move specialised in killing small bois

when it also acts as a combo tool

[low canopy]

this change does nothing to afk growing

[cedar drum]

How about 275 damage

[limber hull]

why

we don't need it to be that high

[cedar drum]

If it’s supposed to be dangerous to small things then the little charge sound should be the most terrifying thing a small creature could hear

[limber hull]

yea and 250 damage would be

250 damage + knockdowns is very scary

when you're a small lil' bastard

who relies entirely on trying to move away from the threat

[proud coral]

I'd say it's still terrifying since being hit basically means it's gonna snap ya up afterwards. Leaves ya vulnerable

[limber hull]

exactly that

[cedar drum]

Fair enough

[limber hull]

the damage being so high makes no sense when it already has the value of completely immobilising you

[proud coral]

If anything, being vulnerable for a brief moment gives you that sensation of "OH NO OH GOD GET UP" instead of "oh I'm suddenly dead"

[cedar drum]

I definitely think the damage should be 200

[barren crater]

You could allow Carno to deal more damage to knocked down creatures. Thought it was a cool idea

[cedar drum]

Charge is kinda whatever

[limber hull]

bite damage should be 200, charge could be 250

i'd also replace its alt-bite with a headswing that does 150 damage and also does knockdowns to creatures less than 50% of carno's size

[cedar drum]

I had an idea for carno

When using the charge if you hit anything teno sized or large up until like maia sized on the head you’ll go into a “tussle” essentially you try suffocating the prey. It would be able to be fought Against in the same way you can buck omni

This is ONLY if you get a headshot

[limber hull]

what

no that sounds absolutely awful

[barren crater]

I don't like it personally as it's only really good vs solo targets

[limber hull]

it's why i despise the acro art

[barren crater]

Also yeah

[limber hull]

that suffocation looks absolutely dull, like drowning to deino, but anywhere

it also just doesn't really make for engaging gameplay, at all, because how exactly do you "fight against that" as the suffocating target

[cedar drum]

That is why it should require aim to do well

It is most balanced if carno is less agile while charging

[limber hull]

aim or no aim, it sounds outright unfun

[cedar drum]

You hold E same with omni

[limber hull]

so its a stam battle

so it's deino lunge for carno

[cedar drum]

Kinda but more of a gamble

[limber hull]

people have always said there aren't enough ways to lose your dinosaur in an unengaging oxygen-deprivation style

legit question, do you like, hate maia, because you really want carno to kick its ass for some reason

specifically maia

[cedar drum]

Nah maia is one of my favorite dinosaurs? Wdym

[limber hull]

okay would a carno suffocate an allo

both are the same weight around

[cedar drum]

No it’s head is to big

That would be silly

[limber hull]

head size should not be a factor

[cedar drum]

Why not?

[limber hull]

by that logic, carno could suffocate a 5 hour, 6 ton, fullgrown stego

[cedar drum]

If you do it on a stego you will find out what being impaled is like very fast

[limber hull]

legit why would you EVER want more ways to die to something like how deino does it

deino already sucks major ass to die to

and why would you want CARNO to suffocate things

one of the fastest animals in the game

can also completely one-cycle you without counterplay

[cedar drum]

And one of the most unagile

[limber hull]

agility be damned, you literally can just die for facing it

like, this entire thing feels like a specific "screw you" to certain animals (mainly prey animals that carno should otherwise struggle with)

you've completely removed any form of fight from the engagement because now the game has become "how long until i can hold you still so my mates can bite you to death, or you die of suffocation"

so basically deino, but 55.5km/hr, on land, no water required

[cedar drum]

Aight fair enough

(I still think carno should be able to kill Maia in packs of 3)

But fair enough I’ll admit I was wrong about that

[barren crater]

I mean that's likely

[limber hull]

buff it's bite force and nerf its charge and it might be able to (considering we know maia essentially ignores charge altogether)

and it'd make for a better designed animal

[cedar drum]

That works

Carno is oddly designed currently

[limber hull]

yea, it's the most oddly designed animal in the game atm

because it has literally zero clue what it's supposed to be

[cedar drum]

It’s the nuke

It nukes things

That’s carno

Nothing else…

It sucks…

[barren crater]

@void crow You don't need to buff Carno's bleed. Pounce needs tweaking and Carno needs more offensive presence vs Omni. Better acceleration + better running turn will be enough for Omni's to run away 1 v 1

Carno's bleed weakness is fine. It's crucial for Omni packs and other bleeders (like teno and eventually diablo) to tell Carno to get lost

[cedar drum]

Wait so should carno be hunting teno or not…

[barren crater]

It should. Just that if you don't do it well, you risk bleeding out

[cedar drum]

Well fair enough

[full pewter]

In a 1v1, the teno should have the overall edge, which it does normally minus these bugs

[low canopy]

can't wait for the landslide of raptor nerfs that feedback keeps calling for only to end up with just that next patch

[barren crater]

Tbf, with tap pounce it needs it

[low canopy]

i'd count changes to pounce to that

like just facing raptor to disable pounce is broken as hell

[barren crater]

I mean with how laggy the game is at times, yeah

In a perfect world, I'd be fine with it, since it's meant to attack the flanks in packs

On your screen you'll probably end up doing the perfect pounce, but on their end, it hit their face causing you to die

I feel like that will happen with trike a lot. Probably a good test to see how that goes

[prime prairie]

#general-feedback message

Why the guys dont like a suicide button? You shouldn't really have to ask about something like that xd

[midnight heath]

It could be exploited or abused

[low canopy]

ideally map would not have any spots to get stuck on, which in turn would make such feature pointless

[midnight heath]

Map design is the issue, not the lack of a button.

[limber hull]

@mint flame you can, hatchlings ignore group limits, deino does not need more group slots

[mint flame]

says who i have 30 others who say otherwise

[urban flax]

Says common sense

[raven wedge]

well its hard to even do that.

[limber hull]

to do what

[urban flax]

Deino is designed as a solitary animal
The only reason it even is allowed to group up is to be able to nest

[mint flame]

dont get smart my guy learn how to convesate

[limber hull]

@urban flax get stupid

[raven wedge]

to nest

[limber hull]

nesting isn't that hard as deino

you have a super lengthy stomach time

[urban flax]

k
There needs to be a debuff for deinos who kill their own kind, I get canni'ed all the time

[limber hull]

good

thank you

[mint flame]

thats smart i like that

[limber hull]

LOL

god that's beautiful

why would a solitary animal like deino require larger groups... ever

why do so many people want its group size increased lol it's already the most broken, overpopulated animal in the game lol

[grand wraith]

they are not solitary

[limber hull]

since when were gators or crocs social animals lol

[mint flame]

well sir this is a game with 150 people in servers sometimes people like to play with friends but the problem is we cant tell who they are

[grand wraith]

so we can see eachothers names and much more easily work together

[limber hull]

then don't play deino

if you want a group-based gameplay, don't play deino

[mint flame]

since 50 of them swim in mutiple rivers around the world with out killing each other

[limber hull]

deino is not meant to be a group animal

[limber hull]

they can and do kill each other lol

they are one of the few actively cannibalistic animals in nature

an 8 ton gator should not have anything more than 2 groupmates, it does not need it

[mint flame]

point is u said solitary and im telling u how many crocs live in the same river with out mauling each other every 5 secs

[limber hull]

you can coexist with other crocs in the isle too, but that doesn't mean that those gators are friends

it means they tolerate each other

just like how you can have one mate/friend, and can tolerate everyone else as a deino

[grand wraith]

you clearly dont have any idea what youre talking about:

[mint flame]

example A

[grand wraith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky9nXiT9qnQ

Example B

[mint flame]

are they killing each other till 1 left

[grand wraith]

wrong

[limber hull]

no, because that's not how nature works, that doesn't mean they're all buddy-buddy

[mint flame]

extra wrong

[grand wraith]

u are so dumb

[limber hull]

lmao

[mint flame]

i just want to know where my teammates are my guy

[grand wraith]

crocs and gators are clearly not solitary

[mint flame]

how can we tell the diffrence between canni and non canni

[limber hull]

they are solitary hunters, that is not an example of hunting, that is an example of nesting, they are literally ambush predators

that many gators completely makes it impossible for them to hunt

[grand wraith]

And I want to be able to tell my group members apart by name so it is easier to distinguish who is who because we are grouping ANYWAY

[limber hull]

bite first

deinos need to have way lower numbers anyway, they're far too common on every server

[mint flame]

thx u smart man

[limber hull]

why do people seriously think deino needs more buffs

[mint flame]

how is it a buff

[grand wraith]

it isnt a mechanical buff, it is QOL

[limber hull]

it means the overpack scent appears less and means they can coordinate better

[mint flame]

we are saying we want to know where our teammates are when we play an overpopulated animal as u said

[limber hull]

you can use skins

or just not play deino in massive groups

the best option

[grand wraith]

and die alone to cannibals in groups of 3-4

[mint flame]

skins my guys so we all have to be bright white is what u are saying

[grand wraith]

..or more!

No thanks

[limber hull]

i mean if that's what you want

[mint flame]

so now we have to loose the ability to hide to know where our teammates are

lose*

[limber hull]

you don't have to, you were the one who suggested the bright white skins

[mint flame]

this one

[limber hull]

yea, i never said bright white lol

[mint flame]

ok my guy u right everything u says makes sense we all wrong

say*

[limber hull]

i mean, thanks for the compliment, i guess lol

[mint flame]

crocs dont run in groups having a name above your teammates is a buff and crocs are op

[limber hull]

yea

[mint flame]

its op because a croc is doing what a croc does even in the real world and even if there is 50 crocs on land and not killing each other except when low on food they are not buddy buddy

respectfully u sound like an idiot

[limber hull]

not respectful but thanks

[urban flax]

who are you talking to ?

[mint flame]

who ever is talking like an idiot

[urban flax]

k

[limber hull]

i wonder who that is

[mint flame]

if thats u then get smarted big guy its almost like im a teacher with no degree im just winging it

smarter*

[urban flax]

idk
Ever found it weird that deino doesn't have 100000N biteforce like it does irl, and oneshot stego ?

[mint flame]

and you were alive millions a years ago to know

of*

its all a guess big fella

[limber hull]

hes a skeleton he's very old

[urban flax]

I literally am
That's why I'm a skeleton now

[mint flame]

thats cute

[limber hull]

skeletons are not that cute to me tbh

[mint flame]

u right was speaking on your lack of knowledge and know it all mentality

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/sweet-death-death-bones-skull-shocked-gif-12127974

[limber hull]

i have many knowledges

i have a university education in game design god forbid

[mint flame]

thats great u are also a croc expert to ?

[limber hull]

no i dont pretend to be

[lapis swallow]

Realism does not mean it should be in the game

[mint flame]

as long as u are tracking

[limber hull]

at no point have i claimed i am an expert on crocs

you seem rather peeved

[mint flame]

as long as u are tracking big fella

[limber hull]

tracking what

[grand wraith]

😆

[mint flame]

😂 \

cant make this up

[raven wedge]

[limber hull]

guys i dont think its that funny

[grand wraith]

because u aint tracking

[limber hull]

tracking what i literally don't know what this lingo even means

[lapis swallow]

crocs are literally ambush predators. every croc that you have in your group lowers your chance of success for a ambush because they could make sound. the isles croc is not built to be a group animal

[limber hull]

i dont speak whatever it is you're saying

[grand wraith]

thts true!

its a trde off a group may or may not take

[limber hull]

so is the overpack smell for sticking with too many deinos (over 2)

[midnight heath]

Please, I genuinely don't think it would even be able to group at all outside of pairing. They're cannibals and 8 tons please

[limber hull]

don't explain it to me lol

[grand wraith]

in game, i regualrly see groups of 4-6

[limber hull]

yea which is too many lol

[grand wraith]

Ive been in some, and all I want to change is being able to see their names

[limber hull]

deinos are apexes, they should be low in numbers

[grand wraith]

"should" doesnt mtter in game if thats not how players are using it

[mint flame]

we just want to see names lmao is it gonna stop u from doing damage no it wont so whats your point

[grand wraith]

"should" doesnt matter, it is what it is

[limber hull]

it actually kinda does

it gives you a damage resist from group members

that's a mechanic

[midnight heath]

Seeing a lot of names over playables I feel would ruin the immersion.

[mint flame]

this one ☝🏾 this is a mutiplayer game g

[grand wraith]

there's a button to disable hud elements

[oak lodge]

why stegos have group of 4? they are already tanks, but deinos can get only 2

[lapis swallow]

Does multiplayer game mean that you should be buddies with everyone of your CANNIBALISTIC species?

[mint flame]

this one ☝🏾

[midnight heath]

Herding dinosaurs

[limber hull]

herd animal, yea

[mint flame]

its means u may play with other players not just 2 so why group 2

[oak lodge]

so why cant deino family also get more?, babys are so weak, if u nest u cant see ur babies

[lapis swallow]

because you are only meant to be in a group with one other deino

[limber hull]

you can, hatchlings bypass group limit

[mint flame]

☝🏾 clearly not

[lapis swallow]

they just get kicked out once they are juvies

[midnight heath]

It's a giant crocodile that eats it's own kind, ideally once your hatchlings are no longer hatchlings they peel off, that only makes sense.

[mint flame]

☝🏾 example C

☝🏾 example D

no brothers and sisters in this mix 😂

but we all want to talk about realism right

[limber hull]

are any of them prehistoric 8 ton superpredators

[mint flame]

once again Mr gaming designer how would any of us know ???

keep mentioning size like its a talking point

[midnight heath]

While they're more social than a lot of reptiles, this is mostly younger crocodilian behavior. Adults are normally pretty solitary. Bigger species like the saltwater crocodile are territorial and not very lenient towards it's own species; deinosuchus was one of the largest crocodilian recorded so if you want to talk about realism you have it wrong.

[mint flame]

over 25 species of both alligators and crocs correct or not correct ?

[limber hull]

yea, exactly, how would any of us know? it could have lived in groups of 2

who knows

[midnight heath]

You're really leaning into semantics with this

[mint flame]

yall right we wrong

[lapis swallow]

from a game design perspective, it would be better if the 8 ton crocs would not be in big groups

[urban flax]

One day Islecorders will realize realism doesn't actually matters when it comes to game design

[limber hull]

ur treating at a lot more seriously than it is lol

[mint flame]

thx u

[limber hull]

i'm looking at it from a game design perspective

the 8 ton ambush pred doesn't also need to be a capable pack predator

[urban flax]

Wait I'm supposed to be idiot
Uh
I mean
We should add Purrusaurus so it gives competition in the water for deino

[midnight heath]

Logically a carnivore of that size couldn't live in groups that large, there's genuinely not enough resources unless it was somehow incredibly abundant.

[limber hull]

finally

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

dont remind me of that

[urban flax]

And give it the exact same stats as deino but slightly better

[mint flame]

ok whats wrong with that they gonna want to group up to and see names once everyone plays that creature mt guy

and see each others names

but we wrong yall right

[urban flax]

The group limits are like rules
You can choose to ignore these rules, but don't expect the game to reward you for it

[mint flame]

👍🏿

[barren crater]

Was this whole discussion about increasing group size?

[lapis swallow]

yes

[urban flax]

for deino specifically

[barren crater]

eww

[midnight heath]

[prime prairie]

What abt this?

Official Server with Sandbox so u spawn adult or maybe at 50% growth.

The card remains the normal one. Just to compensate, you always spawn randomly somewhere else. So when you die, you don't have to spend 6 hours lying around in the bush, but if you lose the situation, you would have to travel to get to the place of death. Possibly also spawn with 50% growth. So you can call something like this semi realism.

I would celebrate more than if you were always playing for your life.

[jovial hazel]

Being murdered by the slowest, loudest, easiest to see, can't attack while running dino. 😦

[ivory sandal]

I dont play stego but

Literally run from the stego

That is actually all you need to do

[cunning knot]

I'm just tired of starving to death because a group of stegos are body denying everything around them

In what world is a 20% growth carno going to be a threat against a 6 ton living tank, just let me get a few bites from the corpses littering the area so I can move on

[valid brook]

@long edge We are always looking for more admins, the application is at the bottom of #rules-and-info

[long edge]

oh, cool! :) i can edit my message if need be

[full pewter]

Just walk away, don’t entertain them, and return when they leave

[valid brook]

nah its fine to stay as it is, but figured i'd atleast let you (and anyone else who sees this) know that applications are always available

[long edge]

alright, thanks!

[valid brook]

yups ^.^

[prime prairie]

Fr, i was a 20% cera was finding after long search food. Then the stego near me saw me and quickly placed himself between the body and me

[cunning knot]

They fr act like the fun police on The Isle

[limber hull]

I would rather a ton of stegos to the ton of deinos we have now lol

[rocky vine]

I know that, even pressing x in deep water changes nearly nothing. Night vision for me does work, it makes a very slight difference underwater but not nearly how it should be.

[void crow]

You were a deino? As a beipi it doesn't do much, which is intended by the way, but it's supposed to work for crocs.

[rocky vine]

Yeah it doesn’t change much at all, it works as intended above water but under water unless you’re at the bottom looking up you can’t see anything in front of you/ in deep water

[indigo gulch]

you're not supposed to tho

[void crow]

@leaden plover No.

[north quiver]

teno def needs a buff

every single herbi needs a buff

[full pewter]

So it appears rauisuchus was scrapped, yet corythosaurus and charcharodontosaurus are still planned. Can we have a serious conversation how these two can be differed? Especially from para and Acro respectively

[normal shuttle]

I sincerely wish we get proper tutorials or guides so I don’t have to do the same chore every time something gets added into the game. Same happened with legacy to an extent as well

[full pewter]

I agree I think it’d be cool if there were species profiles detailing what their unique traits/abilities are and how they’re used.

[normal shuttle]

it’s just infuriating for me to ask every minute detail in Discord before actually playing the game that I already have opened

I feel like both species and several gam mechanics like nleed and diets should get their own dossiers/detailed information that I can just open up and read from there

and I am not that much of an expert in game development, but something tells me that it is not too difficult to just write some cards that you can access from a menu or the dinosaur selection screen or maybe the overview of your creature when you spawn…

I know it may sound a little bit like a rant

But they have been doing this since the very beginning of legacy

[full pewter]

Right now there’s a lot of arguably more important things that need to get done, especially the new gateway map, we’ve been stuck with spiro for too long

[midnight heath]

I love how players go out of their ways to hunt a baby stego (or anything they're buddy-buddy with) among the big stegs and then get surprised when they don't just let you have the body after you kill their friend. Just go elsewhere, steer clear of the stegs and hunt other things, not all 100 players are right there.

I've genuinely never had the issue of stegs body-blocking bodies, don't start that fight to begin with.

[burnt bone]

I can see ways to separate Cory, like making it use its sound like sonar or being able to sense things around it. I honestly have no ideas for carch tho, but there could be a way to separate it.

[limber hull]

people will do anything to kill baby stegs, because they're exceptionally easy targets and everyone has a hateboner for stego

[midnight heath]

Yesterday I had a small galli tell me to go kick a baby steg to death, I asked why and they just said "I don't like them, it's funny." long-story short they didn't like that I said no and ended up being the one kicked.

The sheer amount of people I see attack stegs because they don't like them is absurd and then they wonder why they're so aggro.

[full pewter]

Like. Sure? Might be a bit out there but sure. I’d personally just remove Cory and replace it with a good mid tier brawler like iguanodon, or maybe even lurdusaurus for a semi aquatic herbivore

But yea on charchar, I got nuthin:/

[barren zephyr]

Game needs balancing baddly, the stego should be removed from the game, tenos should have their damaged reduced by 70% and same for pachy. Hipsys should be able to glide or climb trees and Dryo should be able to make burrows. Gali diet should include compys and carnivores should be able to smell herbivores.

It's so bad you can say there is a herbivore meta going on, where if you are not playing herbivore then you are probably spending most of your time growing rather than playing the game.

[limber hull]

what

herbis are literally in one of the worst spots they have ever been, not a single herbi is particularly good rn

when compared to animals like omni or cera, they barely compare

and deino is still the best animal in the game

[barren zephyr]

can a deino 1v1 a stego?

[limber hull]

yes

[midnight heath]

What are you on about, and yes they can

[barren zephyr]

lol your funny

[limber hull]

i've done it

[barren zephyr]

okay then give me a full grown stego and you come at me with a full grown croc 1v1 and lets go

I bet 100 times out of 100 I win EVERY time

[midnight heath]

It's a pretty fair fight all and all, even if you consider the deino can literally retreat where the steg can't get to it.

[barren zephyr]

and same if I were to give you a stego and I ge a croc

[midnight heath]

Maybe you're just not well versed with deino, not to be rude or anything but stegs head is very exposed and deino has far more health than steg.

[barren zephyr]

THat's the thing, crocs have to retreat! Your right they can and they have to!

[limber hull]

and deino isn't even meant to be fighting stego, so the fact it can actually 1v1 with some skill is pretty concerning

[midnight heath]

You're right, that 8000k health is just so low!

[barren zephyr]

Stego takes less than a second to turn around and with the current speed buff they out run deino

[midnight heath]

That's not even true

[limber hull]

deino is supposed to be a small-game hunter that's terrible at dealing with anything over half its weight, stego is meant to be able to counter it

[barren zephyr]

It is true

[midnight heath]

If a deino stays in front of the steg they can alt-bite over and over with how slow that forward swing is

[limber hull]

also reducing teno's damage by 70% when teno has had its damage nerfed every update, and carno STILL has the utter nuke of a charge attack is absurd

[midnight heath]

Teno barely does damage as it is now

[barren zephyr]

Deino can only ult bite 5 or 6 times and before it gets off it's second ult bite it will have to run away due to stego over powered tail wip.

[midnight heath]

Also steg can't move and swing, to turn it has to stop attacking while deino can just re-position and keep biting

[barren zephyr]

Teno can stun lock and kill a 100% cera and they out run cera too

not to mention they can do the same to carno

stun locking with teno is easy

[midnight heath]

A teno cannot stun a FG carno

[limber hull]

wdym yes it can

[barren zephyr]

yes it can, I've done it and so has a lot of other players

[midnight heath]

It straight did not work with the tail-smack in the PVP we ran

[limber hull]

you totally can stun it tho

that's 100% a thing you can do

[midnight heath]

I think they mean the flatting thing

[barren zephyr]

It did for me

[limber hull]

that's a knockdown

it still stuns

[barren zephyr]

that's knockdown

Tailwhip still stunlocks

[midnight heath]

I apologize I thought stun = knockdown all the same

[limber hull]

it doesn't stunlock though

[midnight heath]

A tail-smack to the head of a carno still only drops it's health to 87%

[barren zephyr]

it does

I've done it and had it doen to me

[limber hull]

it does not, it has a hard stun cooldown

carno is better at stunlocking than teno is tbh

[barren zephyr]

it doesn't work if that's the case, because I've stun locked a lot and have been stun locked

[limber hull]

i mean

[barren zephyr]

infact I just died to a stun lock about 4 or 5 hours ago

[limber hull]

have you tried moving out of the tailslam's range lol

i've never died to a stunlock, and i've fought many tenos

the only time i died to stunlock was against cera

with the stupid vomitlock thing

[barren zephyr]

Yes, that's the thing! You agree then? The tail is OP for sure! Glad we agree

[limber hull]

no

[barren zephyr]

You have to move away from the tail!

you make a great point and I agree with it, you can't fight a teno because they can stun lock

[limber hull]

carno is OP, I have to move away from the mouth

same concept, still silly

[barren zephyr]

Carno is only good at ambushing like all other carnivores

[limber hull]

(it's not even that good at ambushing tbh)

[barren zephyr]

they do not have the stamina, or the power to fight head on with most herbivores

[jovial hazel]

There is no stun lock. You can move after like 1 second and can't be stunned again for another 5 seconds or so.

[limber hull]

it's not good at much, it's arguably the worst carnivore atm

when compared to cera, omni and deino, it doesn't compare to those powerhouses

[limber hull]

exactly

[barren zephyr]

Your just wrong

[limber hull]

i used to literally be Quality Assurance for this game, I know how it works, stunlock isn't a thing

i can 100% guarantee you, the only "stunlock" is failing to move out of the way of the attack before your stun immunity is up

[barren zephyr]

again your just wrong, but that's okay. I actually play the game so I know stun lock is a thing because I use it and so do other players.

[limber hull]

which isn't stunlock, it's just literally AFKing

[midnight heath]

Doesn't the tailsmack only do 100 something DMG?

[limber hull]

yea, it's pretty pathetic lol

[jovial hazel]

Eventually you will figure it out and feel really stupid. That's enough for me.

[limber hull]

they keep nerfing it

[midnight heath]

I love that the kick does more than the alt, very cool

[limber hull]

kick should do good damage, but why must the tailslam be SO bad now

like goddamn it literally does almost the same damage as a carno bite for some bizarro reason

[midnight heath]

Kick to a carnos head I think put it at 77% which isn't too bad, I know it does bleed but I'm not sure how much

I can admit that I'm bad at PVP but your statements are genuinely just not correct Hei

[limber hull]

the kick is supposed to be the main DPS, but since they KEEP nerfing the tail damage, it's really hard to actually do anything with it

they need to buff teno soon because goddamn this guy sucks

i literally do not play it because cera is 3x better

[barren zephyr]

So to clerify what I'm trying to say, if you take a teno either tail whip or alt attack something, it will be locked in place or knocked down depending on size. This can lock you in place and it can be repeated multiple times in succession if spaced properly. That is what a stun lock is AND YES it is possible.

The knockdown seems to last for quite a while tho

you can get in about 4 or 3 good hits if you manage to knock something down

[limber hull]

they nerfed how long a knockdown lasts last update

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, the knockdown is longer. But in either case you should be getting out of the way before you eat more than 1-2 more kicks or slams.

Stunlock would be where they can just keep stunning you and you can't move at all.

That's not the case.

[limber hull]

i'm legit convinced you either are trolling or just hate herbivores

because the fact ANYONE thinks pachy or teno needs a nerf is hysterical

[barren zephyr]

That's rude, I never said your trolling despite your clearly antagnistic comments. Keep yourself civil please?

[jovial hazel]

But yes, if you try to facetank a teno's ass it will probably keep stunning you after your stun immunity goes away.

[midnight heath]

Runs up behind thing with massive tail >> Gets hit by massive tail >> ????

[limber hull]

you asked for a 70% damage nerf to two rather weak animals on the basis that they are herbis, lots of trolls like to do that, don't mean to be rude, but you are rather consistent

[barren zephyr]

I disagree that they are weak, I think they are OP which is why I said that.

[midnight heath]

How can something be weak and OP?

[limber hull]

they are weak though

[barren zephyr]

I disagree

[limber hull]

like, pachy literally never exists because no one wants to play an animal that just sucks that bad

[midnight heath]

The majority I think agree that herbivores are pretty weak

the only ones who don't just typically think they shouldn't fight back because they're supposed to eat grass and die.

[limber hull]

pachy is literally just a challenge run at this point

how long till a pack of ceras runs you down and you die? wait and find out

[barren zephyr]

Fun fact about pachy, me and 2 other pachys in discord WIPED an entire server. We killed 2-3 carnos, a stego because he was bad, multiple raptors and other pachys, and 2 tenos. That was just what I remember.

And it was within a 1 hour time frame

[limber hull]

this sounds like U6

current pachy is literally godawful

[barren zephyr]

we did this about 3 or 4 days ago

on na6 I think

[limber hull]

you killed a stego as pachies

[barren zephyr]

it was really bad

[limber hull]

was the stego playing

like, did they have their hands on the keyboard lol

[barren zephyr]

It would tailwip the air a lot and ran out of stam.

[midnight heath]

So a really, really bad stego...?

[barren zephyr]

yes

but still counts as a kill

We also killed 2 or 3 juvi/sub adult deinos

that decided to be land crocs

[limber hull]

so you want pachy to never kill anything ever again because of this?

[barren zephyr]

No, I just think they should try rebalancing herbivores

[limber hull]

brother you asked for a 70% damage reduction, that's literally making pachy essentially a pillow pet

[barren zephyr]

The current balance is really bad, Pachys should not be killing things so easily

[limber hull]

same with teno

30% of pachy's current damage is literally nothing

it'd mean pachy's ram does less than omnis regular bite lol

and teno's tailslam would also do less than an omni bite now that i think about it

[midnight heath]

What

That's so so bad

[barren zephyr]

In my opinion herbivores shouldn't be able to kill their equivalent in carnivores.

[midnight heath]

So eat grass and die

[limber hull]

EAT
GRASS
AND
DIE

YEEEAAAAAAA BABY

[midnight heath]

Called it

[barren zephyr]

Sounds good to me, at least not without being in a pach or having a strong advantage.

[midnight heath]

Because a trike would just roll over yeah

[limber hull]

why ever play feeble herbivore when mighty carnivore exist

[midnight heath]

makes sense, chop those horns off now

[limber hull]

herbivores = playable food
carnivores = actually fun

[barren zephyr]

Simalarly, why ever play feeble carnivore when easy grow easy kill herbivores exist.

[limber hull]

they don't

[midnight heath]

My brother in christ

[limber hull]

current herbis are really bad and easy to kill atm

[ocean coral]

@queen ember I totally agree with that.

[limber hull]

i'm actually surprised you struggle so much

[barren zephyr]

Herbivores have advantage in that they are easy to grow. They shouldn't be killing machines on top of that.

[queen ember]

That isn’t the issue

[limber hull]

carnis are easier to grow too lol

organs provide nutrients a lot easier

and they often have far more viable juvi stages

herbis don't have anything really tbh

[queen ember]

I just had a 5 hour Carno session with multiple good kills and highlights only to die to some BS mixpack like I’m actually getting tired of this

[limber hull]

i only play carni atm because herbi is worse as a juvi, worse to grow and worse as an adult

i used to love playing herbi but the experience is horrid

[queen ember]

The easiest way to stop this would be banning people for Mixpacking on officials but no replays sooo

[barren zephyr]

Again, I think your wrong, I find myself playing herbivores more often when I want to pvp because they are just over all stronger in pvp. And it doesn't even take skill to play herbivores. Carnivores take more skill to play and be viable than if you choose a herbi.

[queen ember]

Do you play stego

[limber hull]

stego isn't even that good at PvP, not a single herbi is

[queen ember]

Cause Teno and pachy are 100% worse when it comes to combat rn

[limber hull]

stego only gets fights if the fight comes to it, and it can get shredded by any competent omni pack

or cera pack

or deino duo

or troodon pack

[barren zephyr]

I play stego when I want to kill crocs, current stego I have has killed around 5 or 10 deinos in 1v1s and 1v2s. I even went 1v3 and won, didn't manage to kill though because they were right at water.

[queen ember]

Teno is MAYBE the exception here cause it can do well in combat but it just REALLY suffers if it isn’t in the best hands

[barren zephyr]

Stego can only be killed by a SKILLED carnivore or another stego.

[barren zephyr]

I agree with that.

[queen ember]

Decent tenos get mauled

Only people who know how to calculate the smallest microseconds to Tailslam can win fights

[limber hull]

teno requires skilled play to even kill one carni, if two decide to hunt it, it's essentially screwed

[queen ember]

^

[limber hull]

it used to be capable of defending itself against the odds, now it's entirely reliant that its prey come in an orderly single file line and not remotely overwhelm it

[queen ember]

Teno the boxer can’t fight more than one thing

[limber hull]

i still miss the teno that could face off against 2 carnos well if it played to its best ability

[queen ember]

Hopefully the stam changes maybe put Teno in a slightly better place

[limber hull]

one can hope

[barren zephyr]

Now I disagree with that. It depends on the carnivore, if it is a raptor then it's a fight that favors the teno, carno has to be able to suprise attack it to win or it's just not a fair fight for the carno, and cera doesn't have a prayer.

[queen ember]

What

[midnight heath]

I think they'll just have to agree to disagree, Hei clearly isn't going to see anything despite the numbers.

[limber hull]

he's convinced that we are living in a herbi meta and all carnis tremble beneath them

[midnight heath]

I agree that herbivores are weak, you're just having a bad time I guess.

[queen ember]

Tenos Tailslam doesn’t even cancel charge anymore

[midnight heath]

It does so little

[barren zephyr]

I am stating my experience from playing the game. herbivores are OP, anytime I play herbivore I destroy EVERYTHING, anytime I play carnivore I get destroyed by EVERYTHING. And I think everyone here has proven that to be the case.

[queen ember]

For so much stamina

[midnight heath]

And I'm saying you maybe just need to practice then

Personal experience is the issue here

[queen ember]

Maybe you are just really good at Teno

[midnight heath]

Genuinely the numbers of these outputs go against what you're trying to fight for

[queen ember]

And terrible at everything else cause it really is the opposite rn

[limber hull]

mate if you think herbis are OP now, IDK what to tell you except you except you are not the general concensus and they likely will get a whole lot stronger

the majority atm agree herbis are primarily in a bad spot

[midnight heath]

Literally a "Nuh uh" argument

[limber hull]

hence why 90% of the servers are deinos, ceras and omnis atm

[queen ember]

And Carnos

[barren zephyr]

I disagree, just because the majority of people talking here in this chat, which includes maybe 0.05% of the player base, disagree with me, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

[limber hull]

carnos are the rarest atm because they kinda suck to play

i do not like carnos atm

[queen ember]

They still topple cera

[limber hull]

and that's literally their one thing lol

[queen ember]

Cera can win but you need to time stuff right

[midnight heath]

These people are wrong too yeah?

[limber hull]

bulllying ceras

[queen ember]

Teno can’t fight Carno either cause slam doesn’t cancel charge. At least 90% of the time it doesn’t

[midnight heath]

Or this one? God so many wrong people

[queen ember]

Carnos only bad matchup is Omni packs

[barren zephyr]

21 people agree with that, that is less than 1% of the active player base which includes around 4000 players at top server counts.

[midnight heath]

Ah yes, 80 to 9. Really must be the minority

[limber hull]

the majority who thinks herbis are OP aren't on the discord, apparently

[midnight heath]

Guess not, really weird if you think about it.

[queen ember]

Dilo and dibble will become the meta

Calling it now

Teno and pachy will remain as mediocre throw aways, troodon will become irrelevant, Carnos will straight up lose 90% of the time to dibble

Also Rex……….

[limber hull]

i hope dibble will become the meta at least a little

god i just want a single herbi to be good

[midnight heath]

I think dilo for sure will be a new fan favorite, I'm not sure with Dibble I think it'll heavily depend.

[queen ember]

I expect it to

[limber hull]

so sick of just playing carnis

[midnight heath]

I'm just concerned with Dibbles size

[limber hull]

dibble's size is bizzare

it's unclear how big it's actually going to be

[midnight heath]

If carno can knockdown Dib I'll actually throw a fit

[queen ember]

Dibble is gonna come out overtuned as slightly smaller than cera but with the most obsurdly good attacks and defenses to demolish anyone

[limber hull]

probably can on account of dibble probs being smaller

[queen ember]

Ideally Carno only knocks dibble over if it’s a body shot

[midnight heath]

I want to hope it'll weigh more

[limber hull]

unless they change the nuke charge to be less of a nuke

[midnight heath]

Regardless the sheer amount of dilos will be big I'm sure, I don't think troo will fall off though.

[barren crater]

As long as it can't do it from the front

[midnight heath]

I have a feeling it might

[limber hull]

i will probably still play troo

because troo is my fave animal in the game atm

[queen ember]

Dilo venom seems to just be a better version of Troodons by a long shot

[limber hull]

ehh, i dont think so personally

[barren crater]

The speed & size is scary

also decent damage

Current pachy might lose

[limber hull]

troodon venom works all times of day

[barren crater]

No it probably 100% loses

[limber hull]

dilo venom only finds potency at night

[barren crater]

Yeah but just going off damage, speed and size

Omni gets pachy pretty low

The knockdown timers / stuns are short

[midnight heath]

I just think dilo and troo are a little too different in terms of tiers. I think they'll be fine existing all the same.

Plus with how fast troo grows it's a lot more forgiving

[limber hull]

i also just feel the "dilo invalidates troodon" argument is the same as saying "allo invalidates omni" to me

[midnight heath]

I just think the niches are different enough

I want to hope for a terror bird someday but I feel like it's a longshot

[midnight heath]

This 👆

[barren jewel]

People asking for letters on the in game compass im genuinely curious did you just not go to 5th grade??? Is the up and down arrows really not obvious enough. And if you need something to help you know the difference between east and west maybe you just shouldn't be playing survival games

Idk I've killed lots of carnos with a few well timed tail smacks followed by kicks to the head

[midnight heath]

I think they just want Legacy's compass, not sure what the issue with that is.

[limber hull]

man it ain't that serious

[barren jewel]

I mean I get that most games have it like that but my opinion is this game is going for realism and dinosaurs didn't know what cardinal directions are

[limber hull]

listen, idc if they get added or not, but it's not a big deal to want a little QoL

like my life is fine with or without funny letters

[barren jewel]

No its not a big deal I just think its funny cuz I see it smm

[full pewter]

Sheez chill

[limber hull]

teno used to be capable of holding its own against groups of carnos and whole packs of omnis, now it struggles to dispatch even 1 carno or cera, and will inevitably lose if remotely outnumbered by them, and omni just shreds it

it's capable of holding its own in 1v1s, but the amount of effort the tenonto needs to put in to not die to faster predators on their own is absurd, given that a pack just obliterates it with ease

[barren jewel]

Agreed agreed

[full pewter]

How can we make this balanced though?

[limber hull]

teno's solo experience has just been tattered by repeated nerfs that no one asked for

[full pewter]

It’s tail damage didn’t need to be nerfed that’s for sure

[limber hull]

i mean, reverting the several unnecessary damage nerfs to literally all of its attacks would help

the fact that knockdowns also got nerfed in the SAME PATCH that its tailslam got nerfed was a double-whammy for making it WAY worse than it needed to be, causing tenos to struggle immensely with combos

[full pewter]

Did it’s alt attack get nerfed too?

[limber hull]

well, can't do it while running

so if you count that as a nerf, that's three

[full pewter]

Right right

I know it can out facetank a cerato with just alt attacks

[limber hull]

its alt attacks actually do less than a cera bite iirc

125, i think it was, but i may be wrong

[full pewter]

Does it or cerato have more health though?

[limber hull]

teno has more health

[full pewter]

Can’t remember

[limber hull]

it's heavier, therefor it has more health

[full pewter]

Then yea that’d make sense

[limber hull]

also the fact people keep assuming cera to be a facetanker remains baffling to me

or the fact they think it's a "tank" at all

because it was described as "durable", which it is

[full pewter]

People should be using its agility not facetanking

[wise rune]

the amount of times i see ceras facetanking carnos

[limber hull]

they just assume they are tanks

"they said it was durable"

yea. durable. not some unkillable god

[wise rune]

literally

[limber hull]

you're still small

[full pewter]

Could a cera facetank a carno with chuff buffs?

[limber hull]

possibly

[full pewter]

I’ll test that next chance I get

[wise rune]

does it only apply when the cera is chuffing?

[limber hull]

yea, when it's near a corpse

auto-chuff = buff

[wise rune]

so then if its biting it shouldnt get the buff right

[limber hull]

nah, it still counts iirc

as long as it stays near the corpse

[wise rune]

righttt

yeah it might be able to facetank a carno then with that

[full pewter]

Still not sure, needs to be tested

[wise rune]

yeah

[full pewter]

So apparently rauisuchus was scrapped:/

Yet Cory and charchar are staying, still have no idea what they’ll do with them

[limber hull]

bring back raui

my bou ain't deserve it

[urban flax]

Beyond that, they've been confirmed as separate playables and not skins

Dondi : Why would I add tarbo ? It's just a rex clone
Also Dondi : Hell yeah carchar !

[limber hull]

apex trio has become the apex penta

we have rex, giga and spino
acro is apparently an apex for... some reason
and now we have giga 2.0 in the form of charchar

[urban flax]

Meanwhile stego can't be apex because that'd be too many apexes

[limber hull]

also everyone hates it

but deino should be an apex because everyone loves it

apex carni sextuple

[urban flax]

Carnivore bias strikes again

Imagine if Acro will be able to 1v1 cama like in concept art
Rex will kill brachis for breakfast

[limber hull]

also that makes three goddamn apex carcharodontosaurids lol

acro, giga and charchar

clearly we needed all of them, but not tarbo

type-H charchar when

[pseudo copper]

@night moss Spiro (the current map) will not be touched anymore. We soon will receive a new map which will fix issues like that. For now I can only suggest you are careful when exploring spiro.

[night moss]

Ok, thanks
Hopefully the next maps fix this

[pseudo copper]

There's a few snippets of gateway, it looks very promising.

[limber hull]

@plain jolt what regulates allo? carno and cera def won't, maia is designed as a low-damage, high mobility/defence animal. Adding allo is a far worse option than just allowing animals like omni packs to hunt maia, and deinos can still hunt it

allo will dominate far more than maia could ever hope to

[normal shuttle]

Ngl giving those buffs to nested dinosaurs would just make clans and friend groups absolutely dominate like in bob where the hatched have a million extra talents more than the spawn ones

[normal shuttle]

And yes I would like to second this as well

Adding allosaurus so early would be a terrible decision. Just increasing the power creep with a 3 ton carnivore unlikely to have any consistent competition in land

[limber hull]

exacty

making a carnivore to counter a herbivore only works if the herbivore is more of a risk to that carnivore than the carnivore is to the herbivore

if it were styraco instead of maia, it would argaubly make more sense to throw in allo

[normal shuttle]

Like, I know it isn’t out yet and this is speculation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if allo groups could reasonably take care of adult stegos, so that would make allosaurus potentially the uncontested king of The Isle, should it be added that soon

Deino already exists to eat animals of that size, and the concept only really shows what happens in a straight 1v1

[plain jolt]

Like I said I prefer allo

[normal shuttle]

So sure, maybe a single Maia could have the upper hand to possibly fight or escape any current land carnivore, but what if a pack shows up?

[plain jolt]

Any will do

[limber hull]

but any carnivore of that size would obliterate the current roster

alberto and allo alike would shred everyone else

[normal shuttle]

Alberto would also have the same outcome

[plain jolt]

So don’t use those dinosaurs

[limber hull]

those are the only ones of those size

[plain jolt]

Yikes

[limber hull]

allo and alberto are the only two other mid-tiers besides carno that share a size with maia

the next largest animal is sucho, at a whopping 5+ tons

[plain jolt]

Maia can stun a carno when it charges it

[limber hull]

yea, but it's also mostly harmless

[plain jolt]

Cerato can get hip checked, what’s gonna be Maia’s enemy

[normal shuttle]

Practically anything that can take on an adult Maia one on one at the moment would bring the same problem. Allo, Alberto, Sucho, all of the apexes and acro,..

[limber hull]

omniraptors

and troodons, arguably

[plain jolt]

Omniraptors can die in a tail slam and one kick from a teno

[limber hull]

deinos will hunt it

[normal shuttle]

Deinos, competent cerato/carno pairs, omni packs…

[plain jolt]

Now imagine the stomp from a Maia

[limber hull]

maia lacks damage to actually moderate any midtier sized animals

[plain jolt]

Like in spiro players will find a safe place to drink

[urban flax]

Doesn't make them harmless

[normal shuttle]

Maia looks way less combat oriented than teno

[limber hull]

stego is being moved to unofficials, and considering maia lacks both the damage and size of stego, it'd be a much more comfortable target for packs of omnis or ceras

[plain jolt]

I never knew that

[lyric pollen]

@twilit snow what didnt u like about my suggestion?

[twilit snow]

Having Perks that overall just buff combat capabilities I don't think is a good idea.

[lyric pollen]

we already saw perks like that in amoraks stream

[twilit snow]

Yes. And I dislike them.

[limber hull]

thank you

such perks are horrid

the idea of the "lower damage and stam while damaged" is to encourage you, the player, to back the hell off, not get 2x more aggro

[lyric pollen]

we litterly saw the exact perks in amaroks stream. where u take less damage from dinos bigger then u

[limber hull]

we don't know the values

it could literally be 5% lol

maybe less

(it's also not a good idea for a perk tbh if it's anything above 10%)

[twilit snow]

And again, WIP stuff.
And I already said, I don't like that.

[sage sun]

@lyric pollen wouldn't you want to post your feedback into #balance-feedback instead of general feedback?

[lyric pollen]

i dont know, perks arent out yet

[sage sun]

true

this is a weird one, it's kinda about balancing, but not really about something released that needs balancing

[lyric pollen]

i see perks more as a mechanic not balacning

[sage sun]

true, it's more of a suggestion on something to add, rather than chaning stats of something that already exists

ok, nevermind me then

[normal shuttle]

Combat perks and hatched dino buffs sounds like balancing hell

[pseudo copper]

@sage sun #general-feedback-discussion message

[limber hull]

100% agreed, would not be fun to deal with the meta build super genetic mega rex that can magically move faster than your para that used to be faster

[sage sun]

ah ok, thanks

didn't know about that

[pseudo copper]

Yep, gateway is very promising and will fix a lot of issues spiro had.

[sage sun]

Are there any more informations on gateway anywhere? Sounds interesting.

[pseudo copper]

There are a few snippets of gateway on YouTube, Dondi also streamed it quite often recently, might wanna check in on that. Otherwise #isle-discussion is always on the topic of gateway, so that might be worth looking into as well.

[sage sun]

Nice, thank you!

[normal shuttle]

Yeah definitely, or clans having inherent benefits that would give them the upper hand when compared to your spawn dino even though you follow your diet properly just because friends nest each other

The only acceptable exception for me in terms of build variety are diets simply because their boosts aren’t really for combat, are simple and at least require some skill to maintain

[limber hull]

i'd agree if not for carbs

[normal shuttle]

Well yes

Carbs might need some tweaking there

[queen ember]

I have no idea why carbs got buffed and nothing else did

[normal shuttle]

But for the most part, I find additional regen or scent range to be much more acceptable elements than damage or speed buffs given that those two stats are crucial in game balance

[normal shuttle]

Having more oxygen with lipids sounds like the most uneventful and situational boost ever, but I agree that perhaps they may need something to match carbs stamina boost when it is something so relevant for survival

[wise rune]

literally is only useful for deino ambushing

[normal shuttle]

Yes

And even then deinos can spend so much time underwater if they want to already

[limber hull]

i wrote a whole thing on what i'd do with nutrient buffs

#general-feedback message

i dont think nutrients need buffs, we need to nerf carbs badly

overall nutrients need to be made more survival-oriented

[wise rune]

agreed

[wise rune]

Honestly Utah and troodon being able to alt attack while running is fair (aslong as it uses stam), since it looks that they actually carry their momentum and turn with it, things like carno and cera however, look terrible while doing it because they literally just stop instantly

[crisp peak]

carno should do the slide thing it normally does when it stops then go into the alt bite if it want to do it to the side or back

[full pewter]

@plain jolt I don’t think the problems with Maia will be all bad. It’s just speculation, but if Maia is anything like in legacy it’ll be bulky and fast, but have low dps. Smaller mid tiers will just have to evade it, heck Id bet carno packs could still take on a maia through a barrage of bites, it’s ram is not its most damaging attack

Maia is also pretty important to add at this point for several reasons. One, it’s opening the door to add larger mid tiers. And two, it’ll establish stance switching which will be important for adding other hadrosaurs like para and shant

[sleek osprey]

Does anyone have any idea when the stress test will come out?

[full pewter]

That stuff is totally random from what I know

[sleek osprey]

Thanks for letting me know

[limber hull]

@woven estuary that's not the finished speed value, those are dev numbers, same as it having 300N bite force

don't take something so early in-dev as finished

[woven estuary]

my b, im not used to the dev process.

[limber hull]

all good

dw, in streams, its speed is more comparable to teno or cera

the values in the character sheet are just wack

[woven estuary]

aight good to know

[limber hull]

the only accurate thing seems to be the weight

[woven estuary]

thanks for clearing this up

ceratopsians are what look forward to

[full pewter]

@ocean coral My question is what are you doing messing with Deinos? If they want your food, you’re gonna have to drag it away or surrender

[ocean coral]

How is that fair, Deinos are not supposed to be land hunters and sad part is you can’t do anything about it.

[full pewter]

The current carnivores we have are not built to handle Deinos, carno and cerato are both around 7-8 times smaller. The only dino that can reasonably handle them while making sense is stego. You’re argument might apply better when we get bigger carnivores like rex.

[urban flax]

Deino is not able to go uncontested on land because it can turn 180 degrees with its alt
Deino is able to go uncontested on land because it's 6 tons more than the second biggest carnivore

[full pewter]

If carnos could kill Deinos effectively, I’d be a bit confused

Even if it didn’t turn 180 degrees it’s not like you can kill it, and I wouldn’t want a whole tail riding exploit like in legacy

[limber hull]

tbh, deino has an answer to tailriding by retreating to water

[urban flax]

Making it unable to turn while alt-biting isn't nerfing it enough to allow small animals to kill it, it just makes the fight more clunky

Also kinda defeats the point of having an alt-bite

[limber hull]

yea

[worn urchin]

@crystal trail If humans come out finaly as they are first person, i think its an awsome idea to turn on VR function, this would be massive immersive and really really cool. is this discusted already so yeah what is the conclusion.

[jovial hazel]

There's no real reason why deino should have so many alt attacks on land. Should make it drain a lot more stamina if you're fully on land.

Would allow land dinos to harass them a little better when they come too far out of their comfort zone.

[full pewter]

@hexed willow I doubt this’ll be a thing, they said there will be another “call” or form of communication where the herreras extend their dewlaps like a signal, so they can have an option to communicate more quietly. If dewlaps were an option then it would defeat this since all individuals would need it

[whole furnace]

I think they mean to customize it, not remove it. Like how you can color hypsi eyebrows any color you like. Correct me if I’m wrong tho :D

[full pewter]

Wait I might have misinterpreted, did you mean like an option to not have a dewlap? Before you edited?

[whole furnace]

Not my post xD

But I read it as “allow the dewlap to show in character customization so we can customize its colors separately from the main body”

[full pewter]

Lol rip me, on that part yes! Dewlaps should definitely be customizable

[whole furnace]

Agreed! I hope we get bright colors for the dewlaps :) I wanna divebomb a raptor and give em the good ol red frog throat of victory

[full pewter]

Lol😆

[midnight heath]

I genuinely don't feel like they're punished enough on land

I've had one able to grab me from a bush, drag me into the water and drown me. The fact it had that much stamina is absurd given it grabbed me and had to walk to water

[full pewter]

How far were you from the water

[full pewter]

Stegos can wallop them if they catch them too far from the water. Otherwise like I said I think this just a temporary issue while the rest of the roster is set up, I don’t think changing up Deinos kit is the answer

[midnight heath]

They were between the trees at glitch rock, like that boulder than faces glitch rock; they were sitting around here.

Somehow I didn't see them just there in the bushes I guess

I don't think deino is fair right now but I think Gateway will fix a lot of the issues I have with it given getting grabbed won't be as easy anyhow

[full pewter]

Deinos in isla spiro tend to be VERY concentrated to certain areas. But that’s just the general issue with hot spots in spiro anyway. If I’m to expect anything in gateway it’s that Deinos will be harder to manage. Players will almost certainly be more dispersed which means Deinos will have to travel more. However I also don’t think Deinos will be as easy to cheese like in spiro. In spiro you were generally safe from Deinos just by drinking anywhere that wasn’t a hot spot. But since there may not be quite as many hot spots in gateway, that’ll mean you’ll have as likely of a chance to be ambushed anywhere in the rivers. Although I still think drinking in jungles is better than in fields so that Deinos can’t see you coming

[midnight heath]

Well in Gateway there are many water sources not connected to anything, small lakes and watering holes, etc. In Spiro since deinos cannibalize once another and every water source is connected it's not outlandish seeing one where you wouldn't expect it, it's not just hot spots for deinos currently. There are so many deinos currently that it's entirely common to get grabbed just about anywhere.

I don't think many people will be getting grabbed on Gateway because the main waterways are massive, to travel across to someone drinking (not sure why you'd drink there and not the hundred other places) by the time you get to them they'll be long done drinking. Also right now with how close and narrow the water is on Spiro it's very easy to grow deinos because your diet is right there but on Gateway it'll be far bigger and in so harder to get an easy kill on players.

[full pewter]

If certain areas become known as safe there’s bound to be some Deinos who will take advantage of it. Although for this I still wanna see how it works in practice

[midnight heath]

Hard to hide in a shallow pond at 8 tons with enough food to wait for people that might go to it

The map is big enough that there are bound to be many drinking spots and with migration people won't be tied to specific spots

[full pewter]

I think sucho might somewhat help solve this. It will be the one occupying shallow water areas, and will attack anyone trying to take advantage of a deino free water source. In summary, shallow waters just have another predator

[burnt bone]

Shallow waters will also just be a good spot for any land predators to hide too.

Like you may not have to worry about a deino, but now you can’t see the carno behind you.

[full pewter]

@heavy quartz Trust is not something you should be going with in the isle. I know it sucks for some, but this game literally pits everyone against each other. And for now in the early state that it’s in, there’s nothing much else to do but fight. Deinos especially are notoriously cannibalistic, mostly cause of how difficult it is to actually make a kill since everyone is aware of them and tend to drink in areas where there are few Deinos. So many resort to hunting other Deinos just to eat. Toxic players are a constant here, but if you go into the game with them in mind, your odds of survival will rise significantly, know that

[full pewter]

That is true, so by that logic they aren’t entirely safe for everyone, I’m also not sure how many of them there are since I haven’t played on gateway, but if they’re few and far between then deino should still work

[lucid robin]

anyone know if they're actually random or not?
#general-feedback message

[icy lion]

They're random, but it doesn't adjust brightness or saturation

[lucid robin]

i could have sworn i got some perfect repeat skins before... huh.

[burnt bone]

From what I have seen. it won’t matter how many safe spots there are. There’s so much water that even if there are 0 safe spots, it’s still hard to find people as a croc.

[full pewter]

True, that’s something I feared

It could also mean that people would be more likely to drop their guard near water since it’s overall less likely to get attacked, which could mean Deinos have a better chance IF they see someone

[burnt bone]

There are def hotspots I can see with water, but those areas are a bit far from most other water. So it’s going to be a bit hard to sneak over as an 8 ton gator.

[void crow]

@mellow acorn That's a really cool idea, but that's the Indominous Rex. 🤓

[burnt bone]

Like this

[full pewter]

Yup people will flock here for sure

[mellow acorn]

Yes it is my friend, good eye, it’s doing me the favour of loosely illustrating the concept I’ve written about 😉

[limber hull]

@tender latch any stam diet, be it carbs or two carbs and one lipids, should not be in the game, they are exceptionally dominant choices that hurt the game more than anything

any time you can increase stam with nutrients, it becomes the meta, instantly

i would prefer a variety of choices with unique applications over "whatever makes me win more"

[tender latch]

true
just nerfing it or reverting it aint enough

[limber hull]

I wrote an entire rework for all nutrients (except proteins those are perfect as-is)
#general-feedback message

[exotic hull]

I have a question

What dinos will gateway add?

[limber hull]

none, dinos are not tied to gateway

they might come out alongside gateway, but there's no dinos that are tied to gateway directly, they'll come out in their own time

[latent olive]

[worn urchin]

👍

[limber hull]

@full pewter my good man do not take the dev built as indicative of finished product

[full pewter]

That’s why I said it might not be final

Just a “wanna be sure”

[urban flax]

Dilo is in development
Shoplist diets are still a thing
We really live in a society

[full pewter]

What do you think dilo definitely should be hunting?

[limber hull]

i literally could not care less to engage in shopping list diets

[barren crater]

Pretty much everything that isn't deino

Also stego

[full pewter]

I wouldn’t care if ptera wasn’t on its diet, although idk if they’ll be able to jump in evrima

Doubt it

[barren crater]

iirc, it's meant to get one

[full pewter]

At least a small one

[lucid mauve]

After they described how the venom thing will work, nothing hopefully lol

[full pewter]

I still don’t know how dilo is even gonna kill stuff, like it’s venom sounds like it’s just confusing it’s prey, and if I remember correctly it’s not doing tick damage, which I assume is gonna be for Megalania

[urban flax]

#isle-discussion message

[barren crater]

It adds a fog around you as well

Can't see past it

[urban flax]

Dilo should have a Herobrine skin

[lucid mauve]

Yea , but its no dot. Like what kills you ? : P

[urban flax]

My guess is that the laugh temporarily allows the dilo illusions to deal damage

[barren crater]

The bites + the illusions causing damage

[lucid mauve]

ahh!

[full pewter]

Like I know how it works, but are dilos just using the fake dilos as sort of a mask? Killing their prey through a barrage of bites?

[barren crater]

Seems so

[urban flax]

Possibly

[barren crater]

85n bite is pretty powerful

[urban flax]

It's more of an edge of your prey being unable to properly fight back because they don't know where you actually are

[full pewter]

Oh dang they buffed it?

Ok that’d make sense

[barren crater]

If it also keeps the speed, it's a very, very powerful creature

[limber hull]

the hallucinations hurt you

[lucid mauve]

And i love the fact that your group members can actually be the one killing you,

[barren crater]

Add in more dilos and I wouldn't be surprised if it has a wide range of prey item

[full pewter]

Like over time? Like what’s happening? How does a hallucination hurt you? It’s a hallucination

[urban flax]

It bites you

[limber hull]

the hallucination attacks you as if it were real, damaging you. The venom itself does no DoT

[barren crater]

It has a charge similar to dryo dodge right?

[limber hull]

yea, which summons the hallucinations

[urban flax]

Dying of fear is actually a thing

[full pewter]

So dilos, that’s aren’t real, are hurting the victim?

[barren crater]

ye

[full pewter]

That sounds silly, but I’ll just take that as the venom doing the damage

[limber hull]

yes

[limber hull]

it's treated as internal failure

[urban flax]

There's a story of a dude who died after being locked up accidentaly in a freezing chamber, and he wrote how he started feeling colder and colder
When others found his corpse, the freezing chamber wasn't on...
The dude literally died of fear

[full pewter]

Makes enough sense..

[barren crater]

At least Dilo won't be strong 24/7. Adds a fear element to night

[full pewter]

Dilos venom will only work at night right?

[barren crater]

The hallucinations are meant to either only work at night, or work better at night iirc

[full pewter]

I’d prefer the latter

[limber hull]

i believe the hallucinations only work at night (i hope that's the case)

[barren crater]

At day it's still powerful in numbers. I worry for pachy

[full pewter]

I still hope it’s slower than Omni and pachy

Not by too much but slower

[urban flax]

I'm actually kinda bothered by the fact the only 2 venomous predators we have right now are night hunters (There's also megalania, but we don't know much about it for now)

Also when are we getting a venomous herbivore ?
Who uses venom to defend itself ?
Like venom is originally intended for in nature ?

[full pewter]

Troodons can hunt whenever tho, they just have great nv

That’s the only thing making them “night hunters”

[urban flax]

Troodons are literally suposed to be night hunters

They came in the "night terrors" update

[full pewter]

I know but it’s not like their venom will only be effective at night is what I’m saying

I’m saying troodons are more flexible than dilos

[barren crater]

I wouldn't be opposed to if its speed was gatekept by day / night.

We know day and night walkers are mutation ideas that increase movement speed during the day / night.

I get it if people want a consistent speed though

[urban flax]

I kinda hate these two mutations tbh
Even though they're the only ones I know of

[barren crater]

Yeah, movement speed, stamina, HP and damage shouldn't be touched by mutations

[limber hull]

i like the one that lets you read people words

that's my fave

[urban flax]

I know the mutations were seen in streams, but do we actually know what they do ?

[barren crater]

Only the description

FEARLESS HUNTER - Reduced damage when fighting larger species
DAY WALKER - Faster stat recovery and higher move speed during the day
NIGHT WALKER - Faster stat recovery and higher move speed during the night
RAINY BLESSING - Recover health faster during rain
PATTERN RECOGNITION - Able to decipher human writing

WIP of course * 🙂

[urban flax]

[lucid mauve]

Do people actually like the “only night” hunting thing? I feel useless at day time, and need to wait until night. It sorta boring, and if u see night hunters stalking you at day time. Its prob a lot of places you can just walk to and “avoid” them. Like water etc

[barren crater]

Dilo for example won't be useless at day, even if it was to magically be slower

[urban flax]

I feel like it's better for troodon to only go after very big targets like teno at night

[barren crater]

Rn it's TOO fast compared to Pachy

[urban flax]

Can still hunt during the day
But not as efficiently

[lucid mauve]

Yea, they can prob hunt day time. But if its like twice as easy at night, most will prob just wait i guess.

[barren crater]

Dilo will be good no matter the time. I just think that it shouldn't be oppressive during the day. Cause the current stats just read > Rush Omni down, forget venom. LMB it to death

[lucid mauve]

Dilos was one of my fav in legacy, i hope they dont make it a "must" pack hunter. Ofcourse more is better to take bigger stuff down etc.

[urban flax]

Dilo should be a solo hunter

[lucid mauve]

Yea that would be great

[barren crater]

Wouldn't it be fair and funny if 10 dilos stacked venom together

[urban flax]

mr.dilo (fps killer niche)

[barren crater]

Sounds fun 🙂

[lucid mauve]

Maybe some kind of troodon stuff, where you cant just spam : P

[urban flax]

Could make it so the venom stage only advances if it's applied twice by the same dilo

[lucid mauve]

Imagine 3 stegos swinging those tails, but they have no idea at who and where. Can hurt lol

[urban flax]

Imagine 2 dilos are hunting the same prey together
Dilo 1 bites prey
Prey gets into venom stage 1
Dilo 2 bites prey
Prey stays at stage 1
Dilo 1 bites prey
Prey stays at stage 1
Dilo 1 bites prey again
Prey reaches stage 2

[barren crater]

Sounds good

[limber hull]

i honestly hope it doesn't perform well in groups

[lucid mauve]

Yea, i just hope they dont give it some kind of galli treatmeant.

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr These aren't exactly realistic sounds, they're mostly pitched-down bird sounds
Also the rex sounds kinda bad in this video
It's only scary because of the echo, and because of your imagination

[lapis swallow]

that rex is a didgeridoo

[burnt bone]

If the GUTS tunnels are added in gateway, they could be a prime spot for nocturnal hunters to be strong even in the day. Or any large and poorly lit human structures

[full pewter]

While it should still keep its roar, a bellow that could be heard from a long distance like what is thought for rex irl would be a neat second 1 call

[urban flax]

A realistic bellow yeah
Nothing like what's shown in the video

[limber hull]

guts rules

[full pewter]

I was thinking like a cassowary, look it up

[burnt bone]

I’m genuinely hoping that unless humans repair and live in the area, they are pretty much pure darkness other than a few dim lights, requiring the use of NV for most dinos. So it’s essentially always night there.

[limber hull]

i likey

[limber hull]

@flat ruin me too man

me too

[flat ruin]

[limber hull]

i think tenoto tailslam needs its damage back up to where it was

and pachy stunning on fractures would be great

[barren zephyr]

fr

[normal lotus]

Pachy stunning on initial fracture works better for balance

[limber hull]

nah, any fracture should cause a stun imho

including falling off a cliff

[barren crater]

I still think that if you get a leg fracture, there shouldn’t be anymore stuns

[normal lotus]

I more meant intitial fracture because of this:

Pachy STUNLOCKING A CARNO OR CERA TO DEATH

[limber hull]

probably not gonna happen with only 3 stuns

also cera just refuses to get fractured

[normal lotus]

This is what i meant. On the initial fracture of each one you stun.

[limber hull]

okay so we are in agreement

wonderful

[barren crater]

Wouldn’t pachy get like 2 - 4 stuns on a cera. I’m so confused

Since it takes 2 hits to fracture

A head and body

Or does it just eat the initial one

[normal lotus]

Well considering that the fracture itself stuns. Not the hit. No it gets 3.

[limber hull]

exactly

only fracture stuns, nothing else. Bone break = stunned. Otherwise, no stun

[barren crater]

Ok got it lol

[normal lotus]

Ngl I like the idea

[barren crater]

^ I think this should be the case

[normal lotus]

Also I hope ceras vomit ability scales with weight

[limber hull]

i dislike the idea of a certain fracture taking priority

[barren crater]

Well if you consider how impactful leg fractures are, it really doesn’t need to do any further stuns

[normal lotus]

Imo I see the pachy carno match-up with this way:
Pachy hits carno 3 times with stuns and bolts for the forest or cover.

Congrats you won the engagement

[barren crater]

Pachy v Carno engagement is weird

[normal lotus]

The engagement is more pachy can't kill the carno. But the main goal for the pachy is to escape the carno.

[barren crater]

Like it’s probably Pachy’s easiest engagement when compared to Omni and cera

[normal lotus]

Especially with stuns

[barren crater]

Carno can’t ‘hunt’ Pachy outside of an ambush.

Which if that’s the goal, it works

[normal lotus]

Its why I kinda like pursuit and ambush carno combined. Pursue some prey like galli and others. And ambush those that may be difficult to kill outright so you gotta get an ambush in.

[raw hedge]

We were just talking about this in the other chat lol.
I think Dino’s should hunt/engage Dino’s based on what they are

[normal lotus]

The way I see carno it's both a pursuit and ambush.

[raw hedge]

It’s stam is not the best for long term pursuits rn. Why more people play ambush rn. But that’s also map design.

[normal lotus]

Many prey items are pursuit. You run them down and that's that. But special cases like pachy or diablo require you to get the jump on them.

[normal lotus]

Imo carno should have good normal running Stam. But it drains much faster when charging

[limber hull]

i disagree with this

[raw hedge]

I’m ok with that. But gateway will be a better test for it

[limber hull]

i hate the idea of fast drain charge, i really do

[raw hedge]

I think he means keep the charge the same, but less running drain