👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs

[ember topaz]

Hello! Just wanted to get some clarification on corruption if possible;

1. For the "adds normal affix" outcome, does this count as a "sealed" affix? (eg. for spear of harmony would 2 affix + corrupt still be a magic item)?

2. Also for "adds normal affix" can you add affixes outside the normal selection for that slot? (I assume you can't get movement speed on gloves or something, but idk)

3. Also for ^, can you add an affix that already exists on the item? Eg. Can a T7 int slammed Red Ring can get an INT corrupt?

4. Also for ^, can you get a prefix on an item that already has 2 prefixes?

5. Do the corruption affixes interact with "stats on this item" type modifiers? (Eg. Julra Stardial)

6. I noticed in only one of the teasers the existing affixes values were changed, does this confirm corruption can reroll affix values?

7. Are you worried that the "ruined" outcome may deter people from including corruption in their gear progression steps, as it essentially requires players to farm additional copies of each item before corruption to ensure their build remains functional (with the opportunity cost of not farming the next priority slot). Or is corruption primarily intended to be a super late game chase system that isn't really meant for use in early late game progression (eg. before you have 1LP T7s at minimum in each gear slot)

8. Can corrupted (non ruined) items be used in Turtle, Strife, Nemesis, Temporal Sanctum, etc.?

9. Does LPL impact corruption outcomes in any way? Eg. do high LPL items have a lower chance to receive really strong outcomes?

10. Do corruption outcomes interact with CoF in any way?

Super excited to see the "madness" outcomes mentioned earlier

[placid plinth]

I'm probably not going to be able to answer most of these yet but I'll do what I can.

1. Harmony only counts affixes which have a little prefix or suffix arrow to the left or right of the affix on the edge. Things that go at the bottom are sealed.

2. Yes, the prefix suffix count doesn't care about sealed affixes.

3. Yes, they are stats on the item.

4. I'm not actually sure on this one. Those items might not have all come from the exact same starting item.

5. In some cases maybe but in general no. It's intended as the last step in crafting and I expect people won't be slamming their only red ring. I'm at a spot with my current stream character where it would be fantastic because I've got 8 swords that are all functionally identical but I can only use 2. Ruined is rare.

The rest are some combination of I'm not sure and I'm not able to go into details yet. We will have a full devblog on it.

[ember topaz]

Thanks for the answers Mike.

From a game design perspective I am concerned that the "very rare" but extremely punishing ruined outcome may create a "95% crit cap" or the old "missing the T7 on 3LP slam" or the very old "even distribution of FP usage is actually unlucky" type situation, where you go in expecting to not get "the rare bad outcome", but end up feeling even more frustrated knowing how unlikely the outcome was. Statistically, the existence of "the really rare bad outcome" won't actually have much impact on your results on average, but the fact that it does exist may deter usage of the mechanic in the first place. I do hope I'm wrong though.

[placid plinth]

I think there are enough examples of similar systems working very well that I'm not too concerned about that really. There are varying degrees of failing. Slamming a key piece if gear which you have no backup for will be a brazen option that I'm sure will pay off for someone but I won't be taking that plunge until I have a relatively decent backup option. I think it will be sweet to try some random pieces while leveling and early endgame because you can get some pretty cool outcomes and having to go to a different 0LP version of a unique isn't going to have a big impact really.

I might have a skewed view of this playing CoF but I always have like 10 copies of a unique at any tier of LP before finding the next LP. Heck, I've got a page and a half of yulias boots and I've just found my first 2LP.

[ember topaz]

This is fair, I could see an argument for 1LP w/ corrupt being a good ending point, but if you do eventually plan to get 2LP for a given slot those 1LP items should be going in Farsight Turtle as corrupting a bunch of 1LPs would delay your progression to 2LP for that slot. It also means your imprint slots, prophecy favor, or MG gold is being consumed by a very temporary upgrade.

I'm probably more tryhard than most though, maybe a more "normal" player would fill each slot with 1T7 exalts / uniques, then go through each again searching for corrupts and call it a day.

[frank panther]

When will the corruption rune be added to the server's emojis?

[eternal zinc]

when can we expect to see more developer art stream? The last one is 4 years ago, the special guest is Nifty, who showed us how to ||draw a reaper||. I wonder whether any environment concept artist is available.

That's a type of dev stream I never see and it's quite interesting. (Interesting enough for I can watch the whole process without skipping)

No ideas what are they laughing at sometimes but interesting to listen how EHG devs chat with each other (lol Mike got the first death in that stream because he want to show his hat)

[placid plinth]

We are in a brand new age of dev streams which I think will start to include more guests.

[placid plinth]

Ha! Soon I hope

[eternal zinc]

Is it? I will keep an eye for sure. Time jet is annoying anyways 😭

[eternal zinc]

Listen their stories, meet the team in this way is a cool idea. It's wonderful if meet the team can go on in this way (special guests in dev streams), more advanced, more simple to touch and more space for asking questions.

(I don't doubt Mike's ability)

[jaunty dune]

something about stormhide paws and ravenous boys being tied in this list is hilarious too me

[zinc plover]

just saw the data you shared last night mike, that's an amazing tool you guys built here.
i know it's a looooooong shot, but it would be awesome to have it publicly available for us to play with 😅

[flint bloom]

this is an interesting teaser. i do hope they all arent secret surprise guests

[flint bloom]

it is not coming public, as he has stated that multiple times already

[night quartz]

LETools and maxroll that have access to the character API could make this themselves.

[flint bloom]

IF they are allowed to, sure

[night quartz]

I haven’t seen the API agreement, but that would be a strange way to do it…
Here’s a bunch of data for the community, but don’t do anything with it that the community wants that’s not per-approved.

How are they going to prevent it? I could scrape chars from LETools and maxroll and put the data together. What then, are they going to cut access to the API for them?

[flint bloom]

k

im still going to go with Mike, a dev, saying "this isn't going to go public"

[night quartz]

I’m not talking about their internal tool.
I’m talking about that the community can use the char API to make things like this for the community. Just Poe.ninja has for PoE. It’s got nothing to to do with Mikes internal tool.

[crude plover]

The api is currently in a restricted beta as far as we know. if that changes there'll most likely be an announcement of sorts

[zinc plover]

sorry missed that 😅
thanx for the answer

[flint bloom]

eh, lots of extra talk in here for no reason, when its just for giving what the devs have answered

lots of peeps are excited about the data stuff tho

[zinc plover]

that's indeed a really cool tool

[placid plinth]

I don't know this for certain at all but I assume that there are rate limits on the public API. I think it would be quite difficult to use them to scrape all the characters fast enough to build a tool like this. I feel like you would have to slowly get every character and then store the data like a giant snapshot and run your own server for it. That might be possible I guess? I'm not an experienced web dev though so I really don't know the details.

This is not something that will become public.

The big thing here is that I frequently get asked questions about all these stats and I guess a lot. I have been so crazy wrong about my answers. I'm just happy to finally be able to just answer accurately.

Also, yesterday someone asked about T8 exalted usage. I asked muffin and he built it last night so I can now answer more stuff about those.

Short version, there are a shockingly high number of high level characters that don't use any primordial items at all. T8 exalteds are super mega rarely used.

[crude plover]

Do we have an accurate number on the % of characters that get to empowered now?

[vital shard]

on the 1st character i used tyranosaurus
on the 2nd I never felt the need for an exalted primordial as i defeated normal Aberoth faster than I expected, and the build wasn't in need of a primordial unique

the fact we can clear Aberoth with suboptimal equipment is good, the fact there is no challenge after it is bad
Uberoth is just a stat stack and I'm not interested in that

You need to find smart ways (not boring, chore) to entice us in pursuing exalted primordials, as for uniques mane builds do not need one

[placid plinth]

yes, I can look that up. Just waking up at the moment though.

[eternal zinc]

Who will need to be noticed if Mike want to hold a dev stream with a special guest except the guest? I need info for communicating with Van

[crude plover]

They usually announce the guest ahead of time.

[eternal zinc]

I'm sure it will not happen in this month :(

[jaunty dune]

do the additional stats that rune of corruption can add count as 'legendary' affixes if they are added to a unique/legendary item? For example for something like Permanence of Primal knowledge that scales your legendary skill affixes

[placid plinth]

they are sealed affixes at the bottom. I don't know if they count but I doubt it.

[jaunty dune]

my first instinct was that they wouldn't and then i remembered the nemesis putting affixes down there when it first came out... appreciate the response

[final cave]

Pretty sure that was me. Thanks!

[placid plinth]

I think it's ready for those questions tomorrow now.

[sturdy ridge]

Who is the special guest? 👀

[placid plinth]

We are just discussing that now. I'll tell you in 25 hours and 22 mins.

(yes, that's 1 min after stream starts)

[sturdy ridge]

-_-

[static birch]

Mike is hyping us already

[lament tulip]

Normally that's Aaron's job

[delicate osprey]

i am so hyped for the dev stream tomorrow, thank you mike for making those every week ❤️

[plucky badge]

Working out details as it's being chatted about is fun 😄

[placid plinth]

OK, we are now going to get some data questions ahead of time so we can have some stuff pre-made. We will still take questions and follow-up questions live. So if there is some data driven question of how players build their characters that you are interested in, let me know what you want to see.

[barren roost]

One thing to note about beast uniques is that are very hard to farm especially for 2lp+.

It’s not just a hard grind but it also takes you away from all other regular farm. You have to target farm the bones AND organs.

I understand it’s probably not ideal for us to only farm the top 5-6 best wovens and that hopefully changes.

As of now though there is almost no overlap for beasts inside the content normally ran. Coasts are a godsend for sure but even they aren’t enough for beast unique farming at all.

[frank panther]

What is high level? I’d expect people to really use T8 by 98+ and primordial perhaps similarly due to their cost.
Also most popular T8s?

[flint bloom]

For tomorrow...if possible...% useage of champion affixes in builds in 100+corr. Like a rank of #1 5% use x...and so on

[placid plinth]

Just remember, what people are using doesn't necessarily mean what is best

[flint bloom]

Yep

[crude plover]

People use what they can get

% of each mastery in empowered echoes would be cool. As well as how many characters actually get to empowered to begin with

[final cave]

As somebody who plays generally below 300 corruption, I'm keen to know more about how less advanced characters are geared and how this changes as they progress.

In any given specialisation (e.g. Marksman), do characters between 100 and 200 corruption tend to prefer uniques in a gear slot or exalted items?

Which is the most common first weaver node for characters in this corruption band? Does that change as corruption increases? Or are people not respeccing that aggressively?

[crude plover]

If possible how popular each woven echo is

[placid plinth]

might be able to do how unpopular certain ones are, like those that end up stockpiled

[frank panther]

Supports imprinted echoes too?

[static birch]

Im going to ask a data-related game-design question, this one i assume can involve some insights:
What's the philosophy behind adding an endgame system such as the upcoming corruption system when it comes to the numbers of players who are going to utilize it?
Judging by the current amount of players who have reached endgame's endgame - what would you say is a good number of players to have when facing and using the corruption system? Are there goals in mind, and what happens when the number of said feature adoption is lower than expected?

[plucky badge]

Wisest statement I've read today!

[barren roost]

The saddest thing I have seen so far is how few people are taking the double boss woven chance.

Coast is busted let it be more busted! Buffed cemeteries/champs PLUS those points are insane!

[plucky badge]

Are you asking about character level here?

[frank panther]

Yep

[placid plinth]

I don't remember what level I used as the cutoff there

[plucky badge]

What about high level are you asking? The highest level cause that's 100

Just want to make sure the question is collected properly 😄

[placid plinth]

it was referring to the level that I had broadly described as "high level" in the comment they replied to of mine

[plucky badge]

Got it

[frank panther]

I thought about when I first used a t8 on season launch. I basically rushed to level 100 doing a vanilla build (prolly get T8 around 95ish). then on my next character some days/weeks later I rushed neck/chest after knowing the mechanic better.
I wonder if there's a cut off on last played/first created that's possible?

[deft perch]

I think I would be interested in any data/stat you could dig up that is something which overall isn't picked very often but is common on characters that are at high corruption

[placid plinth]

That's a little too vague in general, I'd have to go on some hunches to test that. Might be a good thing to ask on the day of and see if anyone on stream has an idea of what might fit the bill.

[teal trail]

a heatmap of which uniques/skills/masteries are used a lower vs higher corruption maybe?

[timid fjord]

I'm interested in the most popular blessings in high corruption, mainly how tough is the battle between all resistances and crit avoidance on reign and how badly they overshadow the other options

[placid plinth]

I think we need it a little more specific for some of those but we can get some good stuff there in general.

[last hemlock]

If I have the threshhold node from Corrupted Form that caps my hp at 50% what happens to my leech stacks? Do they keep going trying to get me to 100% even though I cant go past 50%? Or do they drop off when I reach 50%hp?

[crude plover]

They don't drop off

[dark frigate]

Not sure if i'm just an outlier but i kept a stockpile of the ones i want so i had them ready when i wanted them and just used the other ones for reweaving

[hasty owl]

Any chance to have a transmog system of sort also in offline mode?

[crude plover]

It is something that was planned in an early roadmap, if it's added to online it'll get added to offline as well most likely

[teal trail]

Might be a bit overkill but a sorta heatmap like Warframes year in review usage statistics would be awesome. Tied to highest corruption on that character maybe?
Do you guys have the capability for something like that?

[placid plinth]

For a heat map, you've gotta pick a specific tree. For item usage you've gotta pick an axis and we have ratios. So like set items or helmets Paladins over x Lvl and y Corruption use.

[gray ingot]

Would be nice to see a stat of an average prophecy reroll amount distribution for different pools, because I feel like the vast majority of rerolls are made for getting generic runes prophecies. And stats for the lenses used too, because I feel like 99% of the time the doubling two are used

[placid plinth]

sorry, don't have that data on re-rolls. we have lens data though

[mossy panther]

how do we watch the dev stream today

[crude plover]

It's streamed on twitch and normally youtube as well, sometimes youtube has given trouble though. But you're sure to be able to watch it on twitch

[placid plinth]

Twitch only today, we are planning on bringing it back to youtube soon too.

[mossy panther]

thank you both for the information!!!

[plucky badge]

Hi there, would you be willing to adjust your name as this doesn't comply with our Code of Conduct?

[plucky badge]

I've changed your display name due to the previous one violating our Code of Conduct.

[flint bloom]

Mike what are those fancy colored squares on idol layouts that you teased today?

[crude plover]

x)

[hidden epoch]

Not sure if I missed it, what % of players have slammed a 2 LP item?

[placid plinth]

HC Falconer

SC Necro Over 300c

SB Over 300c

[placid plinth]

We can't look that up quickly because players could have dropped the items or put them in their stash. It only looks at what people are currently wearing.

[hidden epoch]

Can you tell what % has 2+ LP equipped?

[quaint spindle]

give me a few min and I can answer this

[placid plinth]

lol, I was going to say that I'd ask Muffin but he's on it. I will say that it's a kinda weird stat because there are certain builds where a 2LP item is expected and other builds where it is very rare because of the level of uniques that are best for that build. For exmple, I had a 2LP ring on my necromancer VERY early compared to my beastmaster because of the skeleton ring which is really good but also low LPL.

also you get situations where a player upgrades their gear by replacing a 2LP item with a better unique that isn't even legendary.

[hidden epoch]

I'm just wondering how many people are going beyond dipping their toes into LP items

[mental flame]

Stat question: at 1000c, what is the top 5 most used 4lp legendary?

[placid plinth]

yea, it's a tricky thing to figure out, because nemesis will also hand out 2Leg items that you're not really using the LP system for but they are still good to use. My boots that I use on my beastmaster came from my first nemesis egg of yulia's boots (they have 2 armour and health). I just 2 days ago found my first 2LP pair of boots to actually slam.

[jovial pumice]

on the orians eye amulet the roll ranges of the tier 5 spell crit are kinda low, what does that mean?

[placid plinth]

I doubt there are 5 used to have a top 5 as not many items found at 4LP are used in builds.

[quaint spindle]

not even filtering for corruption the most used 4LP is Kestrel

[hidden epoch]

Maybe 3 LP is better to track 🙂

[quaint spindle]

probably because it has the lowest barrier to 4LP

[barren roost]

It’s all about the 4LP Spoooons!!! 😬

[mental flame]

I know my build uses 2, so I am interested if there are others 🙂

[placid plinth]

good catch, I'm not sure, I checked those items so many times and I never noticed that. I think it was just a mistake. (those items were created for the stream, not actually rolled in game so something might have been wonky)

[quaint spindle]

0.7% of players use 1 4LP item
(thats 100% of SC players)

66.6% for 1LP
41.6% for 2LP
11.1% for 3LP

[crude plover]

If someone has a 1lp and 2lp at the same time they count for both I assume?

[flint bloom]

also on your teaser mike...

[quaint spindle]

I dont think it does - good point, let me tweak that rq

[placid plinth]

ok those are the ones I posted. I thought I linked the wrong ones for a sec there and deleted them, here they are again

[crude plover]

I mean those numbers add to over 100% so I assumed it did, because now I'm just confused if it doesn't lol

[placid plinth]

The mods at the top are "good normal legendary mods"

[quaint spindle]

thats because its "wearing at least one of" - and people wear more than 1 unique - and its % of characters

[crude plover]

Yeah so it is counting both, or maybe I'm just confusing myself nvm x)

[pine chasm]

If someone wears a 1LP and a 2LP item, they are counted in both categories, but not if they are only wearing one or the other

[buoyant bone]

can there be like an extra corruption-y border around the corruption affix? Like extra drive home that this is special and wacky

[placid plinth]

There will be in the next version of item tooltips that's totally not being worked on at the moment...

Because there are now 3 different types of sealed affix "slots", we need a clear way to communicate which "slot" each sealed affix is in. There will be a unique identifier for each type of sealed affix which clearly defines which type of sealed affix it is.

[quaint spindle]

no its not counting 2LP as 1LP - but it is counting a single character more than once

not the same as a 2LP item counting as a 1LP though

[plucky badge]

I've added the teasers to our leak forum post too (minus corrupted idols atm, gonna fix that up once I get a smaller file)

[flint bloom]

yeah, its more than the ranges seem to be wrong with the spell crit chance...t5 is super low at 26% and then t6 jumps to 135% max and it shows it at 140%

[crude plover]

Yeah my original question was if a character had a unique with 2lp, and another with 1lp, if they got counted in both categories, so the answer is yes I presume, gotcha

[quaint spindle]

the character does - but technically a 2LP item should also count as a 1LP

and a 4LP should count as all

[crude plover]

ah

[placid plinth]

yea, I think the rages just aren't set right and we didn't notice, the top of T5 should be just below the bottom of T6. I think the values of that stat is one of the least important parts of the image and we weren't trying to show new info there.

[quaint spindle]

@plucky badge has graciously given me approval to answer whatever stats questions here 🙂 as long as I keep track haha

(and it doesnt interfere with my "day job" :P)

[buoyant bone]

Oh wise Muffin of the stats, which stat is your favorite

[crude plover]

How many spellblades over 1100 corruption

holy

now that's a club

[ember topaz]

Hello! What % of characters over 300c have at least one 2x T7 equipped? :d

[placid plinth]

ok I figured out what happened, the values and roll ranges were taken from a different stat and weren't updated properly.
T5 is 55-75%
T6 is 95-115%
T7 is 116-150%
(which is then affected by item slot modifiers)

[quaint spindle]

% of characters wearing X
1.3 - Softcore - all characters - all corruption levels

LP1 - 74.4%
LP2 - 45.0%
LP3 - 11.5%
LP4 -  0.7%

[placid plinth]

I voice my concerns of this data being used for anything other than "hunh, that's neat"

[crude plover]

I'm spreading stat propaganda as we speak (this is a joke)

[placid plinth]

specifically LP usage

[buoyant bone]

hunh, that's neat. (as mike commands it) would of expected a smaller drop from 1lp to 2lp

[ember topaz]

Also, what are the top weapons used by Sorcerer and Runemaster (excluding spellblade because it doesn't fit the Ladle narrative)

[quaint spindle]

10000%

[limpid pelican]

can you share uber stats for subclasses like you did on release

[placid plinth]

I saw something about that planned for a future post

[quaint spindle]

17.8% (SC)

[quaint spindle]

all levels and corruption?

[ember topaz]

I guess will say level 90+ 200+ corruption, to filter those who haven't dropped yet

[barren roost]

🍿 🍿

[quaint spindle]

Sorc
Mad Alchemist's Ladle (Legendary) - 45.4%
Horn of the Bone Wisp  (Legendary) - 13.2%
Wrongwarp  (Legendary) - 5.3% 

Runemaster
Mad Alchemist's Ladle (Legendary) - 91.0%
Mad Alchemist's Ladle (Unique) - 3.8%
Horn of the Bone Wisp (Legendary) - 1.0%

[ember topaz]

LOL that's insane, spoon op (I'm kidding we need more options pls <3)

[quaint spindle]

lol

[exotic kindle]

I was waiting for frozen vid and here he is. Lmao. Anyway I think I missed it but is int only the one that has madness conversion or other stats have as well?

[quaint spindle]

I can also post some heatmaps and things if you want

[quaint spindle]

We only teased Madness for now 🙂

[pine chasm]

Swarmblade form for 300c+?

[quaint spindle]

for Druid?

(its scoped to individual Masteries)

Swarmblade Form is only used by 1.3% of Druids >300c

[pine chasm]

Hunh, that's neat
Thank you!

[pine dome]

Oh Lord Muffin, wielder of the data
Could we get Passives trees for Sentinel Mastery 300c+

[final cave]

So...... Nightly statsposting 😉

[quaint spindle]

all 3?

(passive trees)

I misread

[quaint spindle]

or whenever 😛

whenever I have time randomly lol

[final cave]

If int converts to Madness, strength will convert to ... Roidosity. There are conversion for all the primary stats right?

Blink once for yes, twice for no.

[pine dome]

Yes, all 3
Pretty please

[quaint spindle]

the main mastery passive tree?

(for each)

[pine dome]

Sorry for the ping Mike, but on the Naal teaser, one mod for naal is missing
"summon raptor up to companion limit"
Does that mean Corruption can remove a "unique" mod?

[pine dome]

Yup

[quaint spindle]

+300c, SC, Mastery Passive Tree Heatmaps for Each Sentinel Mastery

[sturdy ridge]

I never noticed that

[sturdy ridge]

Also if true that would mean it could remove mods you dont want on the unique xD

I want to know 😭

[quaint spindle]

attempting to clarify now and get permission to share 🙂

[static birch]

Im just wondering how EHG approaches some of these statistics in terms of "ok, we need to do something here"
I also wonder - how much of these statistics are build-guide driven

[placid plinth]

No, I'm not sure why that is missing. I think it's just because the tooltip was created for the teaser but not generated in game like normal. I don't think that the unique item system supports deleting mods like that at all even if we wanted to.

[sturdy ridge]

awww

[quaint spindle]

corruption can't replace/remove unique mods

it was a tooltip bug because of the way we made the item for the stream

sorry @sturdy ridge 🙂

@placid plinth thread on reddit about the same thing haha - Justin is going to reply there

[marble socket]

Hi guys!!! Please, can someone post the teasers here?

[pine dome]

Saw the threat and came here to ask

[placid plinth]

scroll up a bit

[quaint spindle]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[placid plinth]

If someone flagged something as concerning, we would probably open a thread about it to discuss it. Then based on that discussion we would act or not. There isn't some pre-determined metric that triggers a reaction.

[marble socket]

Guys, congrats for todays stream. It was very good!!!

[placid plinth]

thanks 🙂

[quaint spindle]

So glad people had a good time!

it was a blast

[sturdy ridge]

Yeah it was very good and hype

[eternal zinc]

1. The Nihilis. Is it the value over the range supposed?
2. Why so many different layouts for idol slots?
3. How are you figure out on the special guest?
4. X% intelligence converted to madness???? It's a new affix so I don't know what it mean.

[placid plinth]

The items weren't generated in game and we made a couple mistakes. I addressed this above.

There are even more Idol layouts. I explained this in stream that they are itemised.

Brandon made the tool that generated all those statistics and heat maps so we figured he was a good person to show them off and take feedback live about them.

Yes

[eternal zinc]

So Mike recommend me to watch the record

[placid plinth]

It's really just that they are itemised. You'll find different layouts to equip.

[eternal zinc]

Oh... Yes. that's how my question come from. Why different layouts are available?

[placid plinth]

Sorry, I think we might be having a little language barrier.

Do you mean what is the design reasoning behind having multiple layouts?

The short answer is because it's interesting. Different layouts will allow you to equip a different combination of Idol shapes. Different layouts allow more total slots while others allow bigger idols. Some have those purple slots in better spots.

[final cave]

Will the standard idol configuration still be available (for really boring people)?

[eternal zinc]

Oh so it mean idol slots will get a big update...I see the context now. But how are we get different layouts?

[final cave]

"Idol slot" item drops on ground. Different "idol slot" item gives different configuration
(Or something similar)

[inner quest]

Do we know what the blue/purple-ish squares do in the new idol layouts? Or is that info not revealed yet?
Also just a thought: it might be worth mentioning the "Season 4 - We've sprung a leak!" thread exists in #news or something, I wasn't aware that thread even existed until it was mentioned in here roughly 3 hours ago.

[quaint spindle]

nope (to the 1st thing) 😉

[placid plinth]

Yes but you'll want to use one of the new layouts, they do stuff.

[quaint spindle]

stuff and things Mike - dont forget about the things!

😉

[final cave]

Stuff! 😮 and things?! 🙀

[quaint spindle]

[eternal zinc]

Do Stuff?

[placid plinth]

Oh yea, forgot about things

[final cave]

I look forward to questions about whether increased idol effectiveness is multiplicative with itself.

Is it?

[placid plinth]

We are calling them corrupted altars.

[placid plinth]

Increased is additive

[edgy sage]

It makes my heart full that folks enjoyed the stream so much. I take so much pride in making sure players are happy and to see the reaction is very humbling. ❤️

[eternal zinc]

Corrupted altars drop on grounds like affix shards?

(I think Derrick should use his the other account)

[edgy sage]

But I couldn’t do it without @placid plinth and special guests like @quaint spindle

They are the real all stars

[quaint spindle]

oh snap its Derrick After Dark

[edgy sage]

Just finished anniversary dinner

[quaint spindle]

lol

[edgy sage]

And had to check in

[quaint spindle]

Happy Anniversary!

[edgy sage]

Thank you!

[quaint spindle]

I just got back from dinner with Agent000Zero haha

[edgy sage]

Jelly!

[placid plinth]

I'm almost done cooking my dinner.

[eternal zinc]

EHG have an anniversary dinner? More confused

[edgy sage]

Oh no, my personal anniversary with my girlfriend

Two years

[quaint spindle]

Mrs Muffin and I hit 18yrs next month

fun times - feels wild

[edgy sage]

Inspiration

Congrats on that

[eternal zinc]

do what stuff? (I hate the slowmode man)

[quaint spindle]

🤐

[quaint spindle]

🔇

[eternal zinc]

how to get these corrupted altars?

[quaint spindle]

You'll have to wait and see 🙂

[placid plinth]

Further details about the system will be available when a devblog comes out about it.

[eternal zinc]

Well... I hope they doesn't force me to kill champions 🙃

(will Champions get many updates too?)

[eternal zinc]

To plan what teasers Mike can show is your work?

[edgy sage]

It’s a combined effort, I can’t take full credit for it. Mike’s been working on LE for a long time and it’s humbling to work alongside someone that’s been around a long time. Our collaboration results in what we share.

[eternal zinc]

What work had you did in this stream?

I just ask questions, I don't doubt your ability.

[pine chasm]

Derrick, is that teasers thread finished? I was going to pin it up on the subreddit, but I noticed it's missing some things I remember like the fire spriggan/crows thing - also I figure you might prefer to post it there.

[jaunty dune]

how big is a small idol? is it like the size of an orange? a golf ball?

[timid fjord]

Can the new data track rolls on equipped items, for example how many of rogues that have black blade of chaos are using one with 20% or higher roll on the 'Lethal Mirage's cooldown recovery on melee hit'?

[quaint spindle]

I could in theory do this, I have the data, but I haven't done any analysis yet on unique mod rolls (just affixes)

[timid fjord]

How many liches have 2 or more points in the 'Corrupted Form' passive node, the one that caps health at 50%?

[fervent girder]

I have maxed even though its still bugged , will corrupted form be bugfixed next season?

[pearl rock]

can you create me a heatmap for HC void knight passive tree at 100c+? 🙂

[quaint spindle]

min level or min corruption filter?

[timid fjord]

over 300 corruption, im interested in the usage within successful builds

[pearl rock]

thats actually identical to what i had in mind lol

[quaint spindle]

vast majority take all 5 points

[timid fjord]

Hunh, that's neat.
I was actually under the impression there was more who grapped just the one point to get access to the less damage over time node

[quaint spindle]

96% 5/5

full heatmap in case you were curious

(shows 100% there because 100% of liches take the node)

[pearl rock]

@quaint spindle are you looking at the heatmaps and decide to buff things that are at 1% or less? or whats the threshold?

[crude plover]

Niche != weak

[quaint spindle]

^

Mike mentioned on stream yesterday that Desgin teams are definitely using the data though - He said this data is now part of his daily process

[pearl rock]

i see nodes at 0% and i dont think thats niche anymore. niche can be said about void knight passive tree as everything is used somewhere it seems like

[flint bloom]

a lot of the heatmaps are also flavor of the month and what popular builds are / what is being pushed on build planner sites.

just cuz a small % use it doesnt mean it weak, just that its not popular. and thats a pretty big difference

[crude plover]

Even at 0% it can simply mean none of the currently viable builds work with it, but if they add a unique or something that enables a build that would synergize with it then it would still see use, so even at 0% it doesn't mean it's necessarily weak.

[quaint spindle]

ya remember this is all just data and many things non-balance related can impact it

[crude plover]

Now of course it might be the case that it is just super duper weak, I'm just pointing out there can be nuance to everything

[quaint spindle]

like Mike said - take it all with a grain of salt and dont make knee jerk decisions based on it 🙂

[pearl rock]

thats basically an indirect buff and i know there is nuance to it, i was just asking if they see low pick rate as a flag for changes

[tulip ivy]

I think Mike said in stream yesterday that it depends. It may be indicative of an issue with the node and what it offers or its non-viable in current builds.. or just people don’t experiment.. or any number of things.

[quaint spindle]

yup yup

[primal girder]

Muffin, can we get a heatmap of Frost Claw tree, SC, min corruption 200? One for Sorc and one for Spellblade?

[quaint spindle]

yup

[quaint spindle]

Sorc

Spellblade

[placid plinth]

We aren't exporting all the nodes into a big list and saying buff the bottom x% and nerf the to y% or anything like that.

I've been using it as a way to see what archetypes are generally less popular and then discussing why that might be. Sometimes it has nothing to do with the nodes themselves but rather that there might be some item that synergizes with the other nodes or something.

The data tells a very small part of the story and we have to look at the bigger picture.

A node with incredibly low selection rate can be indicative of something that needs a buff but it isn't automatic.

So far I've been using it to design new stuff, not edit the old.

[vital shard]

getting new stuff to synergize with nodes and compete with what is popular atm should be a win win for everyone

[verbal pine]

hey mike you don't stream on youtube anymore are there issues?

[quaint spindle]

Yes there have been issues with multi-stream and turning off Youtube solved them - we're working on bringing it back though

[verbal pine]

ah cool thanks!

[quaint spindle]

np!

[sturdy ridge]

Hey Mike , Neme5i5 from Rhykkers Discord say hi.

[placid plinth]

Hi Neme5i5

[delicate osprey]

yesterday, muffin told us, that on MG we can search for corrupted items. does COF get also some kind of new corrupted prophecies?

[fading drum]

That's just the rune right?

[placid plinth]

I'm not sure how a property filter equates to a corruption bonus. I don't see why it would but I'm not sure.

[placid plinth]

Yes

[regal stratus]

The Orian's Eye corrupt from the teaser that showed Madness also had a T5 spell crit chance of 26% with a range of 23-29. This isn't consistent with regular T5 spell crit chance range which should be +(64% to 88%). Is this a mistake or is it part of the corruption?

[dark frigate]

was a mistake with them creating the teasers for us not part of corruption https://discordapp.com/channels/368953963267096586/414298693257265155/1469476828803498004

[placid plinth]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message
This is the correct rates that I looked up after

[regal stratus]

those are wrong too according to this https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/affix/increased_spell_crit_chance

the ones you quoted look like scaling for relic, not amulet

[placid plinth]

What I listed was correct because of the note I put at the bottom. Relic has a 1.0 scaling modifier, amulet is different. Our database doesn't actually store different values for each slot, we give each affix 1 set and then the slot modifier values make the actual values different per slot.

[proper mortar]

Gonna ask this here too, just had a though on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1qy0yze/comment/o40o8sg/
It's about the rollover of MG items into the legacy market

Muffin confirmed everything moves to legacy, my question is:

On that note: Will that always be that way?

As a legacy only player I am happy for that, more affordable items.

But with every season there will be more garbage on the market that never sells too and I can only imagine how costly keeping all that stored over years must be for you as a company

So are there any plans to ever purge old stuff on the market?
Will you ever purge the legacy market items OR stop moving the season items over to legacy or so?
Otherwise this will only keep growing and getting more expensive to store, won't it?

[hoary frigate]

what are the chances of making an item ''ruined'' by corrupting it?

[hoary frigate]

will runic invocations be buffed? Because atm only 2 are endgame viable - Hydrahedron and Reowyn's Frostguard. Out of ~40 just 2. that is sad.

[crude plover]

You won't get information regarding upcoming balance changes here
#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[quaint spindle]

For the foreseeable future, nothing changing - the database is beefy (I wrote and designed the backend portions of the bazaar)

[proper mortar]

Good to know, ty
(What kind of database is it anyways. The average stuff one hears about like sql or so? )

[quaint spindle]

We don't usually go into details on our infra 🙂 sorry!

[proper mortar]

Okeli Dokeli

[misty bobcat]

As a Software Engineer, that would interest me too though. Could be a topic of some for in a Dev Log. / Eterra Monthly.

[quaint spindle]

I can say we use a very wide variety of DB and backend service technologies

[misty bobcat]

Well that's to be expected. 🙂 Can you tell if any NoSQL / Non Relational DBs are involved?

[quaint spindle]

yup all kinds of data storage mechanisms - a lot of the common ones you would assume

[proper mortar]

It's all text files, isn't it? 😛
https://i.programmerhumor.io/2024/03/programmerhumor-io-databases-memes-backend-memes-594462bea6b62ae.png

[quaint spindle]

you got me - its 100% excel spreadsheets

😛

[crude plover]

It's just a browser with a powerpoint open and everthing is stored on the powerpoint itself, you can do some insane stuff in that program lol

[quaint spindle]

Writing the backend of the Bazaar was my first major project at EHG - and was one of the most personally fun things I've worked on

I am a fiend for data - and I especially love game econ stuff

I've worked on a WoW addon for 13yrs now that provides econ game data to people all over the world

now talk about a DB... houses all AH data from all WoW servers that is updated every hour for every server lol

[quaint spindle]

half of it is just memes too

gotta make room for the memes

[misty bobcat]

Auctionator?

[quaint spindle]

this even helped me get my job at EHG - I didnt know at the time but I was going to be tapped to work on the Bazaar if I got hired - and the COO later told me he thought he was being punked when I talked about my game econ experience

[quaint spindle]

so Auctionator just deals with scanning/posting in-game - I work on TradeSkillMaster - TSM gathers all the data every hour and do 2 week weighted avg (among many other things) and long story historical data and trends and stuff

fun times

but ya - its weird to come full circle a bit 😛

when your side hustle has impact on your career and your worlds collide

[misty bobcat]

LoL at the heatmap, looks like those fancy stockmarket sites

[quaint spindle]

lol thats the idea

[misty bobcat]

While I have you here. What would be EHGs stance on my idea of creating a navigable world map in the browser, for things like route planning and showing more area infos such as https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/zones

[quaint spindle]

I 100% cant speak for EHG's stance on anything 😛 haha - personally sounds cool

[crude plover]

If you'd like to see something implemented please post it in the #suggestions channel. Having a timer on items in the market wouldn't really help since people usually just filter by price anyway, so if you're pricing lower than the items that have been sitting there forever and it's still not selling it simply means nobody is buying, which rotating old items out wouldn't help with. This is just my personal take though, not EHG's.

[limber plume]

Sad no1 mentioned MS Access, best kind of database there is.

[placid plinth]

Give me flashbacks to my tech support days.

[quaint spindle]

Ugh I had to use that when I worked on tests that measured human cognition - all our data was in MS Access lol

[fervent girder]

Does farsight turtle get affected by cof bonus to lp chance?

[crude plover]

yes

[fervent girder]

Should corrige Google saying it does not ,cool

[fleet galleon]

Well it's not like you should rely on AI from google when it pulls the answers from reddit and recommends stuff like putting glue on pizza or eating rocks.

[fervent girder]

Many people dont go discord and use it so just saying it matters having official post or something

[topaz snow]

As long as stats are being talked about, is it possible to see what the "rarest" unique that's currently on the server? As in lowest odds for a rare item with high lp?

[placid plinth]

Not really. We can see the least popular item to be equipped pretty easily but that could easily put out some false positives with really low power uniques being not used because they are bad instead of being super rare.

Rarest is probably easiest to be done with just the math of the least likely to be found

[topaz snow]

Dang, okay. Thanks anyways! would be cool to know if theres like a 3lp ravenous void or something floating around

[placid plinth]

We can see if one is equipped somewhere. (I'm on my phone and can't check right now.)

[limber plume]

Rarest would be 4p Red Ring if someone dropped it, if not then 3p Red Ring surely.

[topaz snow]

4lp ravenous would be significantly more rare, but that would be insane if it has ever dropped

[lament tulip]

Oh wow, that's wild, TSM! i used to use that

[quaint spindle]

[placid plinth]

Of characters which are lvl 80+ and 400+ corruption, these are the USAGE stats for some rare and high LPL items that I found on a quick glance (SC only). The numbers are the relative rate to the number of Omnis that are equipped:

Red Ring 2LP: 83x
Orian's Eye 2LP: 9.5x
Event Horizon 2LP: 6x
Horns of Uhkeiros 2LP: 3.5x
Ravenous Void 2LP: 1.5x
Aurora's Time Glass 2LP: 1.5x
Omnis 2LP: x

So Red Ring's skew appears to be because it's the 3rd most popular unique at 400+ corruption and lvl 80+

So I guess that makes Omnis the "rarest" item by some, kinda random, very flawed metric that I just made up.

At this high lvl/corruption, the most popular 4LP item is Mad Alchemist's Ladle followed by Peak of the Mountain and Jungle Queen's Chaps of Holding. There are more 2LP Red Rings in use than any of these.

Part of the problem is finding an exalted good enough, I know that I have a 2LP Red Ring that is not being included in these stats because it's just sitting in my stash waiting for an exalted worthy of it.

[final cave]

Just waiting for corruption rune surely, Mike?

[placid plinth]

well I'd be slamming the other 1LP versions I have left and right by now yea. Good slam on one of those and I'd probably take a crack at the 2LP too, especially given that it only has a 33% chance of getting the right secondary affix anyways.

[proper mortar]

Good slam on one of those and I'd probably take a crack
That "a" is doing some very heavy lifting in that sentence 😂
Everyone celebrates differently after all, haha

[barren roost]

Hey Mike you are always welcome to join us for troves!!

I can promise you will have exalteds. ☺️

[placid plinth]

I feel like I might need a hand to get over the hump for Uberroth before the season ends at this rate.

[barren roost]

Then you certainly wanna come join some troves! Zoom zoom as they say. 😃

Now that I am thinking about it is there one of you guys that focus on late game content and/or party play?

[placid plinth]

There are a few people that basically play the season launch as a player going hard.

[flint bloom]

Do remove only tabs in legacy count towards tab limit or no?

[crude plover]

No, wouldn't make sense if they did

Does make you wonder if there's a limit to the remove only tabs though

[barren roost]

Oh nice so we do have some reps in the group it sounds like.

Not sure if that actually means they are late game grinders like I’m talking. It’s a group though? So there is party play reps as well?

If so that’s great to hear. I know we are a small part of the community like every game but I would love to hear some of the devs side of that part of the game!

[zenith patrol]

Does the bonus for four points of Frozen Steel, which grants more damage against chilled enemies in the Spellblade node, apply to all attack or just melee?

[crude plover]

general

[placid plinth]

I don't think they play together. I know several of us play with some of our friends outside of the studio. Buddy of mine finally just got his system back up and running so we can play again.

[barren roost]

Okay I see. I guess I would still worry about the rep for late game gear min/max. Of course I still realize it isn’t the largest group but certainly the most consistent.

There is a great set of players here that grind which most other games don’t have. I of course am not trying to be their speaker. I am curious about a few things though.

Maybe you are the best option then? Especially when it comes to party play and I guess I’m still not sure how far you are progressed if still killing uber (and obviously don’t know other toons).

[placid plinth]

I will say that late game gear min/maxing is by far the most vocal group of players. Most of the discussions I see would imply that most players are running around at 500+ corruption. We have staff who play across the whole spectrum but we don't represent every type of gamer who plays LE so we do keep an eye on feedback.

[barren roost]

No doubt for sure! I wouldn’t dream of asking such. I also don’t want to come across as spoiled asking for a certain person.

I guess my main thought was trying to know who would be the closest. I enjoy the conversations and learning but also what the devs perspective on the late game is. It seems a lot of things are talked about in depth besides this area of the game. I would hope to get more of that going if possible. 😊

It certainly makes sense that this group is the most vocal with also a lot more playtime etc. Hopefully it is done with tact and such.

[placid plinth]

I'm sorry, I'm not really sure what your question is.

[crude plover]

Think they're asking if there's a specific EHG member who grinds endgame for a long time

[placid plinth]

Oh, yea there are a few. That's who I was talking about above.

[barren roost]

Oh I was planning to not ask that much if there wasn’t the proper person to answer and all.

Yeah what cyborwars said is closer to the aim.

[placid plinth]

If I can't answer a question, I'll ask someone who can or sometimes get them to pop in if it's a longer answer.

I mean, I'm playing at 1.1k corruption right now. I know I'm taking the easy route and not usually that person but I'm certainly up there compared to most right now.

[barren roost]

Thank you very much. My apologies if trying to be extra sensitive made me less clear.

Most of it are questions based on is this intended or not but again didn’t want to go down a rabbit whole that was just a rabbit whole lol.

[zenith patrol]

Partial rabbit.

[placid plinth]

ask away, worst thing that will happen is I'll say I can't answer something lol

[barren roost]

I will check my notes and be at it soon. Thanks again for the time and attention. 😀

[worthy stump]

Maybe integer limit

[placid plinth]

It's way less than that because it's a max of 200 per reset.

[worthy stump]

Per reset but what would the max be in capacity total assuming infinite resets

[quaint spindle]

200 - the game caps it

[buoyant bone]

time to get stacking 200 tabs a season so the database get sad

[worthy stump]

So 200 remove only tabs in total? Do new ones replace old ones or how does it work

[vital shard]

your hump might be called not enough HP?

[placid plinth]

yes, absolutely. I need to find an exalted to slam into my weapon, chest, boots, belt and ring. All of which I have higher LP versions waiting for me.

[solid torrent]

Hello, Mike!

Corruption on Sets/Exalteds teaser on Friday would be huge!

Also, I can smell the trailer and I just want to know how hyped you are about this one?

[quaint spindle]

https://tenor.com/Hbdk.gif

[placid plinth]

We're still like a month and a half out from patch, can't show everything right away. We'll see what we get here.

[frank panther]

Yes but will I be able to pretty much slam everything from level 1?

[placid plinth]

Well no, you'll be limited to the number of runes you find.

[vital delta]

Are you able to share the relative rarity of the corruption runes? Like more or less rare than runes of havoc? Or is that a devblog topic

[placid plinth]

I don't think it's been locked in yet.

[ember topaz]

I know of at least one EHG Member who managed to smash Uber with the LB build 😉 that's pretty spicy imo

[night quartz]

How many people (or characters) have killed aberroth and uber aberroth in HC?

[ripe mica]

hello ❤️ I've seen the roadmap and there will be more content for the endgame but will be there more content to the story of last epoch chapters (before the endgame)?

and it's not mentioned but is the story of last epoch done?

[crude plover]

No. We currently have 10 out of 12 chapters of the main story

[delicate osprey]

the last 2 will come out with the expansion. you can read it in the newest roadmap

[ripe mica]

"As we push forward with the content for Seasons 4 and 5, we’re also deep in development on our first full expansion, Last Epoch: Orobyss, and preparing the game for PlayStation 5 release."

how this expansion will be added into the game? will it be added together with starting of one of the seasons? or will it be like game patchs that we will get it while playing the season?

[vernal orchid]

last chapter was so beutiful and appealing. I wish for rest of two to also be that beautiful and enjoyable. Best in last epoch is tile-sets to not be just dark and ugly and to have some nice forest/jungles. Do that even more ❤️
(and DEAR DEVS please add throwinx axes/or any throwing skill to primalist i beg (like ogg dual throwing barb in diablo 2)) T-T )

[verbal pine]

Season 6 comes after the expansion as show in the roadmap

[ripe mica]

is the expansion coming with season 6?

[fleet galleon]

We don't know.

[placid plinth]

Are you sure? I don't remember that at all.

[placid plinth]

Primalist probably won't get a primary throwing skill any time soon. I feel like it would need a new mastery to make room for the archetype on the passive tree.

[flint bloom]

Getting hyper technical and obv could just be a coincidence/typo/not intended...but on the updated map after xpac is shows a wee bit of s6

[vernal orchid]

Throwing skills on primalist was a finall cherry on pie in Last Epoch - as i play mostly only primalist. As other characters doesn't fit my playstyle.
In fantasy it fits beast-master like OG Rexxar from warcraft. Technically - maybe you are right. But also tuning some beastmaster passives to works as damage % and not melee damage should be also fine. Or jut removing melee and replacing it with melee/throwing. Or making throwing skill to scale with melee and not ranged as some games do with axe throwing skills

[placid plinth]

Where is that one? I just looked and it shows a ? On the website.

[placid plinth]

All I know for sure really is I keep getting denied to put a bow skill there for the same reason.

[vernal orchid]

ok but bows and throwing axes are a bit different in terms of fantasy.. Throwing axe barbarian as example and barb with a bow.. are not similar.. like a meme bard barb which will use isntrument as a mace. But i see in your words.. a little sneak peek what is coming in future. I wish for mroe barbarian melee oriented primalist.

do a new classes are also will be sub-classes? or entire new characters?

[flint bloom]

The looking ahead post that had the extra details

The 'updated' roadmap

[ripe mica]

does it mean expansion will be released before than season 6? or the plans have changed?

[timid fjord]

I believe mike showed the ? from website exactly because they aren't public/dont know when the expansion will be in relation to seasons

[flint bloom]

Plans always change...esp with s4 and s5 inbetween. Looking at nearly a year at best. Nothing on that roadmap is set in stone timeline wise

[placid plinth]

It's just a number really, the expansion will reset the ladder and be a big content drop, if we call that season 6 or not is just a technicality.

[placid plinth]

This isn't a sneak peek. I'm saying that because I can't get bows, if I tried to do throwing, I would get the same answer regardless of theming.

[marble socket]

I have two questions about LE lore.

1- Is Rahyeh a god who has fallen into MADNESS and got CORRUPTED by the void?

2- What kind of god is worshipped on Corrupted Altars, a CORRUPTED god?

🤔

[verbal pine]

Yea what eagle posted. But im always up for more! Haha

Speaking of which since this expansion will feel more like 1.0 complete story and endgame change will there be a need for roadmaps going forward?

[flint bloom]

1. Maybe. Rahyeh was always the 'prideful' God. And also had some issues with Heorot and his handling of Heorot's son/champion Morditas. Which led to the war between them. After that we don't have Rahyeh's story until we see him void corrupted in the monoliths (which might just be a seperate timeline from our 'main' timeline). This is one of the loose ends in the story we players are hoping will get covered in ch11/12. Could Orobyss/The Void cause this, sure. But the main timeline Rahyeh's end is still undetermined.

2. We don't know anything about the altars, and we likely arent going to get any answers ahead of time. However with the weaver idols we know you don't need to be a 'god' to have idols

[placid plinth]

I assume we will continue to make roadmaps going forward. I don't know but I sure hope that continues. The content ain't stopping.

[night quartz]

How many people (or characters) have killed aberroth and uber aberroth in HC?

[marble socket]

Ok. 😉

[vital shard]

1 - isn't explained in chapter 10?
with Oxprix and the other dudes(hereodot side) ?

[jaunty dune]

the roadmap does not say that this is a primordial unique item. it just says that it's a unique item

[marble socket]

You're right, I confused the names primordial with primalist. 🤦

[placid plinth]

775 and 53

[night quartz]

is that characters or players?

[placid plinth]

characters

[placid plinth]

I also tried not to give a firm answer on that because I'm not sure if we will add any in as we are still about a month and a half out

[sturdy ridge]

Hey devs and Mike , you picked a very good date for your next season because from march 6th to the 16th its packed with arpgs.

[proper mortar]

#🧙┃mage message
#❔┃ask-the-community message
Can anyone explain this situation?

Why does this happen with Runic Invocation?

[crude plover]

Like you say the nodes they take on runebolt make it just cold

The reason it still retains all +3 levels is because of how it functions as a combo skill I think

[proper mortar]

So is that intended behavior for the skill BONUS on the armor or is that a bug?

[crude plover]

Unintended consequence I'd imagine but I wouldn't actually know their intentions, it's also better to check that this actually works in game since it might be an LE tools quirk

I can test it in a bit

[proper mortar]

The video he had in the guide showed it working, he got the ice-fire-ice invocation AND he had runic bolt at lvl 26
When that guide video was made, it was working as the guide says :/
At 15m25 you see it's lvl 26 and a few seconds later he casts and gets the right invocation

At 15:39 you briefly see that rune bolt still has all elemental tags

It's all so confusing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swlaKMfHv6s&t=15m25s

[crude plover]

The invocation thing makes sense

[placid plinth]

There are a lot of tag element shinaningans that happen behind the scenes to make it work. The database versions don't always line up to what you'd expect because there is some special case in the code. Runic invocation was a nightmare to implement. Took me weeks and it had a ton of edge cases. I'm just in a meeting so I can't check this specific but it sounds like the database doesn't account for some of the edge cases that the game can detect.

[proper mortar]

Huh, okay... I bet it was complex with all these different options, lol
P.S. Tell the meeting people some randoms on Discord said hi 😛

[ember topaz]

That should work as it does in the video. Runebolt has all tags because of efficient experiment, without it would just have cold. (This could be a bug? Since it only casts cold still)

Anyway, if you have a multi type spell (ele nova), Runic will choose the element based on which you have the least of, in this priority; FIRE > LIGHTNING > COLD.

Since you have two cold spells it will add fire or lightning, fire wins the tie breaker, you get fire.

[crude plover]

Interesting about the invocation prio, thought it would just go fire>lightning>cold always like other things

[proper mortar]

Good to know, ty

[sturdy ridge]

Are we getting close to the official trailer release of S4?

[placid plinth]

last time was 27 days pre-patch
we are currently 44 days out still
I don't know when the trailer will drop but I'm assuming it'll be a similar time frame

[final cave]

Are those metric or imperial days?

[placid plinth]

non-uniform

[timid fjord]

is it possible to see what are the most popular affixes on huge idols for high level acolytes? more specifically for lich/warlock since I feel any necromancers would be using the minion ones if they have any equipped.

[jaunty dune]

eterran days, obviously

[placid plinth]

I don't have it broken down by mastery but for Large and Huge, these are by far the most popular for Acolytes.
Large: Ward Per Second and Increased Health
Huge: Increased Minion Cooldown Recovery Speed

[eternal zinc]

If I delete my account on le's forum but I backup my data on my SSD, can I go on playing le with my data in offline mode?

I want to confirm that the data deleted by this action is on the server or on my SSD.

[crude plover]

Offline saves are saved and backed up on the steam cloud as well as your local drive

[placid plinth]

I believe you are required to log in one time to activate full offline mode. I do not know if deleting the forum account will cause issues reactivating a new computer if you change in the future. Regardless, that's something support would be able to sort out. You are also able to request all the forum content to be deleted if you don't want to delete the whole account.

Basically just contact support if you want support. I don't know the details.

!support

[fiery lily]

Anything we can help with? We've support articles and a contact form at https://support.lastepoch.com/.

[pine dome]

Hi Mike, does FR per Chill works Cold Pen per FRM from Snowdrift ?

[pine chasm]

No, it's a totally different stat from FRM (and multiplicative with it)

[jovial pumice]

is there a chance we are getting any spellblade teasers this friday?

[verbal pine]

is there a cap on "increased area" for skills? like is 100% the max?

[pine dome]

No

[verbal pine]

ty ty

[placid plinth]

I don't know what we will be getting for a teaser for Friday.

[buoyant bone]

Does someone else on the dev team send you a packet of teasers every friday Mike?

[placid plinth]

Basically yea, we try and do it earlier in the week than on Friday. But even if I did have them already, I'm not going to say anything about them before the stream other than that they exist.

[buoyant bone]

follow up question, do they exist for this friday?

[placid plinth]

Not yet, I'm hoping to get them today sometime.

[jovial pumice]

maybe you can put in a good word for spellblade 😄

[quaint spindle]

but isnt that what @crude plover plays? you want us to buff Cyborg? gross 😛
(love you Cyborg lolol)

[delicate osprey]

can we support LE more except buying Supporter Packs? 🙂

[lament tulip]

Paradox Classes eventually xD (oh but buying classes is apparently p2w?? but diablo gets a pass because..... reasons!)

[valid marlin]

I mean, the most impactful thing players can do is continue to discuss the game online. Modern companies focus on community engagement for a reason.

[final cave]

What about starting a religion? Or a branch of an Eterran religion? What do we think about that? Is this the right timeline?

[placid plinth]

I leave you alone for like 2 seconds and a religion is starting up now?

[crude plover]

https://tenor.com/view/religion-bill-wurtz-dont-history-gif-14178134

[opaque falcon]

hi Mike and Co, any chance EHG will have any other places for discussion besides official forums, steam, reddit and discord? Assuming I didn't miss any. I will miss reading this questions and answers in here when I leave this platform behind

[placid plinth]

I almost never venture into steam forums. I only reply on forums, reddit, here and on stream.

[vital shard]

https://tenor.com/view/fsm-spaghetti-monster-gif-332960732349610778

[opaque falcon]

I mean more like, a new place for discussion. For example, on teamspeak. I doubt teamspeak specifically, just using it as an example

[placid plinth]

We aren't planning on opening a new primary channel but if a significant community were to arise, it could be something we start posting in.

[opaque falcon]

thanks Mike!

[stone iris]

Hey devs - just wanted to say thank you! The game runs great out of the box on my laptop running CachyOS. No tweaking needed, everything just works. Really appreciate how well the game runs on Linux. If I run into any issues, I’ll make sure to report them through the in-game system.

[eternal zinc]

The same reaction (I just know le family, from Gambit #📚┃off-topic message)

[crude rain]

I have come to request a void grub or scarab pet in the cash store. That is all. Idk who I need to ping to make it happen but hey

[pine dome]

Dont need to ping anyone, but you can leave a #suggestions

[delicate osprey]

How many employees EHG got right now in comparison to early 2025?

[frank panther]

I wonder how many people have 100% blessings/which ones are skipped most?

[eternal zinc]

Context: #💬┃general message
Any news on modifiers for burning daggers will get an update so it can be more mana sustainable and more damage?

(I had asked that in #feedback before)

[pine chasm]

Burning daggers from all sources currently get all bonuses from pillager's gold and all skill nodes that apply specific bonuses to them (namely cinder strike). They do not scale from any skill nodes that don't specifically say they apply to burning daggers.
Probably won't get balance info in this channel though.

[quaint spindle]

More, don't know the exact number though

Still hiring even more too

[delicate osprey]

And maybe in %? :))

[hollow agate]

So it is not an simple increase but a more multiplier 👍

[quaint spindle]

lmfao

[marble socket]

Does white fire have any meaning in Last Epoch lore?

[quaint spindle]

I have asked our Master of Lore 😛

@marble socket

White fire conveys purity and willpower. The most common context a player will see it is with Paladins who have rejected Rahyeh but still wish to uphold ideals of justice and hope. You also see it in some magic from Eterra and those connected to her in cases where her control over nature and growth are not present for whatever reason.

[limber plume]

It just means paladin burns at 1500ish celsius (2700 °F).

[fresh heron]

would it be possible to see a softcore heatmap for anomaly?

[placid plinth]

lvl 80+
corruption 200+
Void Knight
SC

[kindred night]

wow it would be fun to have more heatmaps available just for trivia lol

[buoyant bone]

damn I feel called out, I should make multiple wizard vk for this season, get that timewave up to .01%

[jaunty dune]

can you share the heatmap for net on bladedancer over 300c (softcore)?

[jaunty dune]

damn i guess it's really just me and the homies playing lightning net 😛 thanks for sharing 🙂

[sturdy ridge]

Im excited for tomorrows dev stream and cant wait for what you have to tease

[eternal zinc]

Will any special guest come in today's stream?

[hoary frigate]

why marksman Concentration passive doesn't give its damage buff if I'm wearing melee weapons? Is it by design or bug?

[crude plover]

By design but the tooltip is missleading iirc

Well, I guess you can interpret this answer either way #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[hoary frigate]

at least I can now put those points into another passive. They should fix the wording on that though it's really misleading

[valid oyster]

I wonder if theres a heat map for werebear form & swipe? 🤔

[grizzled gulch]

98% usage? Crazy. Is that something you guys would consider problematic?

[flint bloom]

They have answered this multiple times, high useage and low/no useage is not immediately problematic and isnt a guarantee of changes. Lots of other factors also go into node usage

[buoyant bone]

is there one of the tree heat maps for the weaver tree?

[placid plinth]

It's a red flag that could indicate a problem. If it is a problem, the other factors will indicate what type of problem. It is a quite large number.

[placid plinth]

yes, I posted it last week, you can search for my posts with and image filter to find it pretty easily.

[buoyant bone]

ah thanks I was messing up my discord search for it

[placid plinth]

we can generate heat maps for any skill

[pine dome]

While looking at heat maps or data, is there something that really surprised you? For exemple smth was way more used than you would have thought or the other way around.

[placid plinth]

off the top of my head, can't think of a specific example but yea, there have been a few times when some build is using a specific item that we had to try and figure out why

[torn seal]

You streaming today mike?

[placid plinth]

yup

[eternal zinc]

Only you or the other special guest here? (I want to know who'll became a cupcake by Muffin)

[pine chasm]

Do death knights gain the Inspired Hunger buff when they cast hungering souls using your skill tree?

[frank panther]

YouTube today?

[placid plinth]

solo

[placid plinth]

no, we're in the process of overhauling how the stream is produced at the moment

[placid plinth]

do you mean in 1.4 will it?

[pine chasm]

Yes 😁

[placid plinth]

I haven't tested it but a quick look at how it's doing it, yes it should as it's all stat based.

[jaunty dune]

are drop only corrupted affixes going to be a thing? two of the reveals today had corrupted mods that say (drop only) but they're also exalted mods so not sure if that means that they would actually have to drop like that or if it's just how exalted affixes display (or it's a display error from the way the preview is generated)

[placid plinth]

corruption through a rune of corruption can create exalted affixes as shown in the teasers. when a tooltip displays an exalted affix it just always says that

[marble socket]

Teasers high def images pleaaaaase.

[flint bloom]

can you all see how many toons have a t8 affix equipped at like 300c+ instead of a primordial unique? or is that too broad of an inquiry

[manic crown]

Speaking of primordial items, possible to see which is used most and which is used the least?

[storm carbon]

Mike, idk if you stated on stream but how rare would you say the teasers are that were given today, specifically that set piece? Also would be curious to know what gear slot the other piece of that set is? 👀

[placid plinth]

I can see that it's roughly a 74/26 split of primordial unique to primordial exalted

[placid plinth]

lvl 80+ at 300+ corruption
Thicket of Blinding Light is #1
Harmony of the First is #25

[flint bloom]

is 25th last? doesnt fangs not work properly and its still more used?

[placid plinth]

yup

[flint bloom]

[placid plinth]

fangs is 7x as popular

[manic crown]

I expected Harmony to be last, hardest to use

[placid plinth]

fangs isn't even 2nd last place

[manic crown]

I wonder if people use Fang and just think it works

[placid plinth]

I didn't say, Those are pretty high tier items in general. People were asking for juice so we brought some juice. You'll have to wait and see what the other slots the rest of that set sits in.

[manic crown]

Sorry for spam Mike, if it's not too much to ask can you also look at least used set item? 👀

[flint bloom]

gotta be ruby fang

[frank panther]

Do the corruptions go to t7?

[marble socket]

Thank you, Mike. 👍

[flint bloom]

they can create exalts, yes

[placid plinth]

the least used set item at lvl 80+ and 300+ corruption is a tie between Gaspar's Will (weapon) and Boardman's Legacy (helm)

mostly I think because they use Legends entwined to flesh out the set at that ranking

[final cave]

Hey Mike. Without going in to specific, are there ways to interact with or influence the corruption rune outcomes? Or are they purely RNG?

I ask because Last Epoch has traditionally provided quite deterministic crafting (as far the community understand the term) and - from my perspective at least - this system seems to be quite a diversion from the philosophy.

Keen to hear your thoughts

[fervent girder]

Last Epoch is quite far away from having deterministic crafting ,and this is heavily regarded by said community, if you get your 2 lp red ring and you miss 9 slams in a row there is nothing deterministic about it.

[final cave]

New phone. Who dis. This isnt Mike alt account I know of.... where dev?

[marble hound]

Mike you do realize how bad it looks when a developer cant remember the anniversary of their own game launch right ?
Last Epoch turns 2 on the 21st of February

[waxen fox]

is there a heatmap for the manifest armor tree? verry curious what the spread is between the nodes

[placid plinth]

Muffin is handling the heat maps so that we have a record of which ones we've sent out so we can post the lot of them together later. I've linked this to him for tomorrow. Which I'm just realizing now is a weekend.

[placid plinth]

Nope, I would have taken more care to remember it. I put a notice in my phone for next year. Personally I feel more significance in the date I started working on the game as my job, the day Kickstarter was funded, and the day that multiplayer launched but 1.0 is probably #4 on the list of important Epoch dates in my mind.

[placid plinth]

I'm not sure. I think it's just a random pool for each slot and item type combination.

[quaint spindle]

min corruption or char level?

min 300c

[timid fjord]

how is the point spread on those first nodes that increase stats on the items. Is taking the minimum required for following nodes or to max them more popular?

[eternal zinc]

https://tyranny.obsidian.net/
The design of this web is quite familiar. le uses the same layout. Did the web of le have inspired from that?

[tawdry pilot]

Is there any chance it will be online for everyone? Or it’s just your internal tool.

[pine dome]

Just internal tool

[gray ingot]

will discord body primordial idol bonus work on corrupted affixes such as this? and reliquary relic too

[timid fjord]

This is another one of them 'how difficult would it be to implement' questions.
Locking one of the skill specialization slots on character who is already high enough level to have all of them as a negative balancing effect for a strong item, is it feasible to do or are the specialization slots too deep in another part of the code?
And in similar way is it possible to grant -skill points to skills instead of +skill points?

[night quartz]

is there any CoF specific crafting or anything like that for these items?
or is the intended game loop to keep making many copies of these items and keepcorrupting them until you get the modifier you need?

[placid plinth]

That's all doable

[placid plinth]

I'm not sure. I think it's just a random pool for each slot and item type combination.

[placid plinth]

I don't see why not

[placid plinth]

I hadn't played tyranny so I'm not sure. I don't see a web in that link.

[tulip ivy]

Kirra may be talking about the website itself

[placid plinth]

Might not be showing on mobile

[eternal zinc]

🤔 Make sense. I mean desktop version indeed

[verbal pine]

Will blade storm when it cast shuriken every second benefit when shuriken is changed to chakrams?

[eternal zinc]

Mike, I hope you and your wife enjoy the time in love epoch :)

(I wonder do Mike can understand this blessing)

[placid plinth]

That combination is certainly testing very overpowered at the moment...

[gray ingot]

can you share how exactly does shiriken aim and trigger work with bladestorm when applied nodes from shuri tree?

1. in case of bladeshield does it orbit the bladestorm or around you?
2. when using chakram or line shuriken from bladestorm, how the aim works? does it shoot the nearest enemy? nearest from you or from the bladestorm?
3. how will the "throwing star" from shuri work with bladestorm? will it make all bladestorm shuri shot around YOU? or around bladestorms?

[void vigil]

quick question, i cant seem to get a right answear hat exactly is the damage formula ? lets say for fire aura is it Base x increased damage x more damage ? or am i missing something thanks 🙂

[night quartz]

Where are you asking and not getting an answer?

[void vigil]

i tried googling for it but i found more than one answer :/ so i wanted to make sure i got it correct

[night quartz]

You should ask this on the ask the community channel and we can help you. No slow mode there.

[void vigil]

i see i will thanks 🙂

[crude plover]

There's no single "formula" for damage since it would look very convoluted. The gist of it though is that you take your base damage, add any "added" damage to it, then multiply by each more multiplier individually and then multiply by all increased damage modifiers added together

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/increased_added_and_more

there's also crit and stuff

[hoary frigate]

Have you considered adding quests into monoliths so the echoes feel more connected to each other and not be just isolated mini-maps. Just for example - you go to an echo and meet an NPC who sells you a piece of map and telling you that finding all 5 pieces will show you the hidden chest full of treasures of captain Black Bear. Later you encounter a small cave (dungeon) and find another piece etc. In the end you can create a special echo when you have all the pieces and open the chest.

[flint bloom]

thats something to throw into the #suggestions or follow the latest #news post to talk about it in the forums

[vital shard]

they showed linked echoes.

[placid plinth]

Lol, I pitched something super similar to that last year for season 4 brainstorming. It had a magical compass the you could find parts for from rare drops.

[hoary frigate]

why that idea was rejected though. Echoes really need some more connection and that would give a feeling a player does something besides just finishing maps (echoes). Random encounters can make echoes special and more enjoyable experience imo

[placid plinth]

The one that we are doing instead checks more of the boxes we were looking for.

[frank panther]

On the dev stream it was said that you cannot get the same corrupted affix as an affix on the item. In the leak forum post https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/season-4-weve-sprung-a-leak/79956 it has a ss of a sword with T5 (legendary affix) and T7 (corrupted affix) added minion damage

[crude plover]

Those are two different affixes

You can do the same on a normal item

One is melee/bow the other is melee/spell

[frank panther]

one day i will learn to read

[hoary frigate]

https://i.imgur.com/hEPT4dj.png does Truesight Glass amulet works with Shadow Daggers debuff built-in 100% crit chance? So If I apply 4 daggers + I have ,say, 100% crit chance on my gear would that proc Deadly Strike from the amulet?

[crude plover]

Yes

[nova kernel]

Hiii

[hoary frigate]

just got a prophecy for 2x broken keys. What is that?

[frank panther]

Will tiny idols be corruptable? 1, 2 slots?

[fleet galleon]

Don't think they have a purpose currently

[rich kraken]

since new season will hapen next month, is there any trailer or announ cement regarding season 4?

[flint bloom]

#❔┃ask-the-community message

[solid torrent]

Hello, Mike!

Now that we're gonna get corruption on Idols, was there any changes to enchanting them/the woven echoes we can enchant them?
Like, even before the corruption was added, grinding idols/enchanting them was a pretty grindy.
First you need the idol, good rolls on that, then you run woven echoes until you hit the desirable affix this can take a while, then you use rune of weaving and pray for T6 on the desirable enchant and now corruption that can make a really hard to get item useless.

I don't know if this was asked but does the corruption interact with enchants?

With the changes to Idols layout we'll have more agency to customise our slots, increasing demand for specific idols and increasing pressure. If before the changes it was difficult to achieve good 4x1 idols, now depending on the build I'm playing I'll want 4 4x1 with good rolls, the enchants I need at least 1 T6 and the corruption on top.

Have you guys considered increasing the amount of times we can enchant idols per idk cenotaph of worlds we run? If we have the Amber to pay for the enchants, the limit of tries should be higher, specially because it's an unnecessary friction and we still have lots of friction until getting to that point (farming idols, getting decent rolls, having runes of weaving, etc)

[placid plinth]

We frequently consider various things like this.

In general I think too much emphasis is placed on finding the exact right things. Items in general have a pretty long tail on them.

We also really need to share the specific chance to fully brick an item because that concern is quite overblown. Especially on items where you'll have several that are close to being great but maybe just not quite there. Those are perfect corruption candidates.

I usually find myself with a dozen idols that have been relegated because they were just slightly worse than one I found. 2% less Crit avoidance when you're already capped and 1 less health is worse so it gets put in the stash. But then you slam it and maybe it gets something that makes it overall better and earns a spot back on the roster.

Or maybe you find a better altar and need to find a different configuration to use.

I think you'll have plenty of Idol corruption candidates that if it does happen to brick, the reaction will be "oh, ok" and your gear just won't change yet.

[solid torrent]

The problem with "close to being great" is the effort they will take regardless of outcome in terms of enchanting, should I even waste time enchanting a "not great" idol, because enchanting idols is not frictionless, the limits could be increased because it would give us more tries at enchanting a particular idol, and is not like I'm asking the price to be reduced. Farming amber takes time, we spend amber's other places as well like for instance trove farming, nemesis farming and so on. Increasing the limit of enchants per woven echo won't get rid of all friction, it will only help me enchant idols faster and that's a place I think the system can improve in the short period.

[vital delta]

Along this topic, it may be worth in the eventual devblog/patch notes to go into the intent/expected use case of the corruption system. You've said it, and I agree, that the vast majority of the time you'll be using it on the "not quite best" items that you have but don't get used as an alternative to it rotting in your stash. Maybe you hit a powerful effect that makes it an upgrade; maybe you don't and it goes right back to your stash. Too often here and on reddit I see people assuming that they're going to be corrupting their current best items, which is why they're so concerned about negative effects

(not discounting the discussion on idol friction, I like the amber suggestion, I just think that's a seperate issue to corruption)

[ember topaz]

+1 on this. IMO it's currently easier and quicker to get 2T7 legendaries than a 70% power idol for me in end game. There are just so many affixes in suffix and prefix, many with huge roll ranges, no way to roll these once dropped (like with FP + runes), then the enchant has a pretty high chance to add second affix even if you hit desired affix first, with low chance for enough WW for T6 T7 anyway. In contrast to imprint slots available for other gear slots, idols just feel completely non deterministic, iirc prophecies still don't target class. A gauntlet of strife for idols would be nice too imo.

[placid plinth]

It'll be pretty difficult to change my mind on this. You don't really want to change my mind on it though as I'm not heavily involved in the idol balancing for season 4. If you'd like to try and get this pushed through, I know I sound like a broken record here, put it in #feedback and/or #suggestions .

[placid plinth]

and I may have low expectations when it comes to idol quality. I'm thrilled with my current idols. They are probably in the 40% power range I think.

[pine dome]

Idols recombinator

[frank panther]

Yes but can you corrupt all idols or just enchantable ones?

[hoary frigate]

a new imprinting slot on the weaver tree for idols would be great

[fervent girder]

Is it possible that instead of the current pay 500 amber(its too expensive ) to change the affixes on the idol which is not what the player wants or need,we could get in the future idol reroll of affixes and more chances at it than max 2.

[crude plover]

Few things are impossible, if you'd like to see something added or changed in the game please post it in #feedback or #suggestions

[plucky kiln]

Mike, what is probability of feedback being taken? What kinda of feedback EHG seeks?

[flint bloom]

They listen to feedback all the time, as he has said many times. In might not be immediate like how everyone wants, but they are always heard.

The devs literally asked for feedback a few days ago here in news #news message

[pearl dagger]

50%, they take the feedback or they don't

[placid plinth]

There is an interesting issue with "listening to feedback". I could probably buff or nerf any ability in the game and find a legitimate piece of feedback that we would be following. There are so many voices giving feedback that it is very rare to get a clear consistent point of view. The feedback we get is often focused around a solution instead of a problem so we frequently have to figure out what problem the feedback is attempting to solve. Sometimes 2 completely opposite pieces of feedback are actually trying to solve the same issue.

I think the most effective feedback is in the form of:

When _____ happens, I feel _____.

Since solution based feedback often does take into account other player experiences, it frequently sounds really good on paper and is really easy to get behind if it aligns with your play experience. It can also really frequently be based on something that is fundamentally very difficult to change and/or would create a huge amount of tech debt in the future.

There is a reddit post that I saw this morning about ailment variety. The suggestion in it is based in some solid feedback but we have to go digging for it. 90% of the post is taken up by suggestions that are just not possible because they would have such a massive knock-on effect for skill trees and items that it's not feasible. It also would require us to rework the ailment mutation system from scratch. The dev hours just to stand up the infastructure is probably 10x what they expect the entire project to take. Now, they did address that they had no idea how difficult it was in the post which was smart.

If I was to guess as the underlying "feel statement" of the feedback, I think it would go something like.

I like ailment based characters but when I build multiple different types of them, they frequently feel very similar to one another and I lose interest.

Now, with the information we have on the underlying systems, we can work to address that feedback a lot easier.

This is not to say that solution based feedback is not useful. It is incredibly useful too. I just think that the solution based feedback is often seen, upvoted and then appears like it is ignored so it feels like we aren't taking the feedback. I promise that we frequently read and incorporate feedback into the game.

[manic crown]

Would there be any good way to try to offer suggestion on skills somehow?
For example Upheaval needs a lot of love. (Mana cost, function etc not just damage values)

I don't think plain text would cut it, might be hard to put together and a really long post for you to read.

[long merlin]

Sry, i have a "weird?" question...

Are you able to see/track how long you are befriended with someone ingame and how long both players were in party together? If not, do you think it would be possible to add?!

[placid plinth]

There are a lot of constraints that are under the hood for skill tree design and development. Generally the best way is to share the type of thing you are trying to do with it and how you feel when trying to do that.

For example, when I'm trying to build upheaval to fill roll abc, I feel frustrated because I can't find a way to make it do xyz.

If you would like to submit a longer form suggestion, the forums are generally the best place.

I think a common issue with overhaul style suggestions is that they get predicated on a very specific initial idea that isn't possible. The result being that a whole host of other ideas are impossible.

It's also way way way too late to do an overhaul to it for season 4 launch.

[placid plinth]

We don't have those statistics available. I'm not sure what would be involved with adding them but if you'd like to see it, drop it in #suggestions and the relevant person will see it.

[final cave]

<@&1161418687471956101> ^^

[frank panther]

Does cof additional boss drops rate work on harbingers?

[placid plinth]

Yes, harbingers are bosses. I'm pretty sure the way you can tell is by looking at the health bar.

I think it's only for their specific loot though, not like generic drops that happen at the same time.

[sturdy ridge]

Are they new sets besides the new rogue one coming in S4 or its just the new rogue set?

[final cave]

What's your opinion on subtractive design Mike? Are there avid proponents for removal of mechanics/items/etc within the team? Is removal of features something that is discussed and how frequently would you say compared to addition of features?

[placid plinth]

All I can discuss are things that are in the game or are confirmed to be in the game. We have teased a new rogue set body armor piece.

[placid plinth]

I think there is a time and a place for it. I can't think of a good target in LE at the moment.

[fast gazelle]

does Rive's Savagery check if the enemy is ignited before Flame Drinker's Blade consumes ignite stacks?

[pine chasm]

Yes

[verbal pine]

maybe you can see this or not but what is the most used and popular skill for this season?

[placid plinth]

At what corruption level minimum, because if we do any skill at all it will skew towards the first few really hard.

[vital delta]

Is it easy enough to pull at say 100c, 300c, 500c and 1000c? It'd be interesting to see if it changes at higher corruption levels (I'd assume yes as builds condense into the high-performing ones)

[placid plinth]

I broke the tool when trying to do it so muffin is making a new piece for me to get the data for

[placid plinth]

at lvl 80+ it's just symbols of hope all the way from 100+ to 1000+ corruption
@verbal pine for visibility

[fast gazelle]

HH and SoH are just too good

[placid plinth]

SoH is too versatile, HH isn't breaking the top 3

[flint bloom]

is it possible to move SoH farther back into the pala tree, like instead of 15 it'd be at like 20/25 or are the skills pretty cemented?

[placid plinth]

It's really easy to adjust these from a technical perspective. I think the UI might even auto adjust now. (but even if it doesn't, it's just moving 1 object down a spot in the hierarchy to do it manually)

There might be some knock-on effects which would need to be looked into like maybe some unique item has an effect on it which unlocks earlier or maybe some affix references it before that point.

[pine dome]

Hi Mike, did you work on Radiant Lance?

The coming Paladin Skill

[placid plinth]

No and I think it has a different internal name because I have no idea what that is and I can't find it by searching the files.

ohhhhh, this, right ok, looks like it got locked in while I was on vacation. We haven't started on it yet.

[manic crown]

Wait paladin needs more skills?

[pine dome]

It only has 3 skills

[manic crown]

Oh so 4 is standard, makes sense. So some day shaman will be great with its 4th skill!

[placid plinth]

It's not a fixed value, more just that we are adding to the ones that have the least first. It will probably go above 4 at some point for some.

mage already has more base class skills than the other 4

[ember topaz]

Hello! Is it possible to see how many players are using spear of harmony above say 700 corruption? And if so, maybe what skills they are using?

[quaint spindle]

do you mean Harmony of the First?

[ember topaz]

yes ☠️

[quaint spindle]

only 3 people above 700c are using it - but I dont have a view into their stats atm

[buoyant bone]

to tack onto harmony of the first, are effects like its increased stats affix going to count as from the weapon in the future? or will it stay as a non-specific buff to the character (i wana make a warcrime rive build with it)

[placid plinth]

The way it functions is the only way it can function without a significant overhaul to the entire underlying affix and unique system.

[buoyant bone]

thats understandable

[dim prairie]

hii !
we know if change coming for faction circle of fortune ? for season 4

[placid plinth]

This image was the last time anything CoF was mentioned.

[dim prairie]

I see ^^
thanks

[stoic nest]

Will be fixed ice and fire whirlwind on rift beasts?

[ripe mica]

what will happen to primordial items and primal hunt in s4?

[placid plinth]

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by this. If there is a reported bug we will get to it. I don't know of any bugs relating to Rift Beast abilities.

[placid plinth]

Some will receive balancing adjustments.

[ripe mica]

but the items will be available in s4, right? it won't be transferred into legacy

[placid plinth]

The existing items will be transferred into legacy and will receive the balance updates. New S4 characters will also be able to acquire them the same way you can now. Everyone gets everything.

[stoic nest]

Yes, it has abnormal damage per second (it takes 8k from me in 1 second when I don't feel damage from elites on 500 corruption), with full resistances and high armor you can't stay on it even a second (that is impossible to evade on woven echo with randomly evolved beasts, there all field is totally covered by it). Also check up it's speed (my speed is 93% with buffs and it faster than me). Please, check it

[placid plinth]

I'm sorry, I don't take bug reports here. Please submit it in game using [F8].

(also I could be wrong about this but it's probably a dot so armor won't help)

[stoic nest]

Even if it would be a dot, it shouldn't take 8k, it's too much for a second, I guess it's some bug. Thank you, report done 👍

[timid fjord]

How many people in the 300+ corr take the cast symbols active effect on the allies node in Symbols of Hope? Inspire hope its called
OH! And how do effects like those interact with each other if multiple sentinels cast it on one person, will it overwrite or will they stack?

[placid plinth]

it's broken up by mastery, how about a heatmap of it for paladin?

[timid fjord]

yeah that works
edit: yeah I would assume so 😅 even on multiplayer its hard to time it right

[placid plinth]

I have to get muffin generate those but almost nobody takes that node

[quaint spindle]

Paladin - 80+ - 300c+ (Symbols of Hope)

[timid fjord]

oh I'm more surprised the void conversion has 0% oh wait right paladin, that tracks
edit: I think this is one with most 0% nodes I've seen so far in heatmap

[placid plinth]

it is on paladin

[quaint spindle]

same but for VK

[lofty plover]

have you all ever thought of making it where items like stygian coal and other such items that change how a skill works by actually augmenting the skill trees?

[placid plinth]

yes

[topaz snow]

Has there ever been talk of skill trees for skill granted by items? For example, tundra nova from frozen ire.

[crude plover]

yes

[lofty plover]

Does Drain life count as a channel skill if dark shackles is taken?

[placid plinth]

"Drain Life is now cast instead of channelled."

This makes it not a channeling skill.

[lofty plover]

could it be changed were it drains the current mana cost over 5 seconds and limit x amount of casts?(the reason I say there is the fire wraith build for minions to think about too)

[spiral bramble]

How do primordial uniques interract with the imprints? If I slot in a P unique can I then get some e.g. from killing normal enemies or echo rewards?

[crude plover]

Please post suggestions in the #suggestions channel, since this channel isn't monitored for them

[crude plover]

No

(don't put primordials in your imprint slot)

[ripe mica]

whats the origin story of

[pine dome]

Mike is in fact 3000 bees wearing a trench coat and a mask

[ripe mica]

I am bee-living you

and I hope mike beewares of

bees in fact might look cute like him, but when they start to make damage, oh boy oh boy

[placid plinth]

That's a real image taken from a Halloween stream. It's a tutu and wings from a bee costume intended for a little girl. I did it because we have lots of bee things in the game and I thought it would be fun. I've tried to do it again but all they seem to have is ladybugs.

[ripe mica]

I remember dinosaur costume but If this is real, bee costume is pretty good costume. I thought emoji was photoshop edit

[lofty plover]

Yes I understand that now should I suggest this be done with Stygian Coal or make a skill suggestion because of the meta? right now three of the attributes that do not benefit us right now sure they are moot other than the ward gain.

[placid plinth]

You should say what build you're trying to make work but can't. Presenting the problem and not the solution for targeting balance reworks are more likely to be acted on.

[placid plinth]

Yea, the tutu was so small it only barely fit around my neck.

[ripe mica]

cute and wholesome

[lofty plover]

can you explain the logic by not offering a solution?... I was taught to always offer one and think I might understand the why here. PS autistic just helps to know the why of things.

[placid plinth]

I probably shouldn't have said not to offer a solution but more that starting with the goal or the problem is the most important part.

So often the specific solution suggestions aren't possible and it's hard to know the motivation behind them. We can often find a solution if we know the motivation.

[pine spire]

Question do you have the data of the bottom right of the tree of this before it's rework from Sigils of Hope?

[quaint spindle]

from 1.2?

[flint bloom]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

This is a bit longer, but goes into a little more about what mike had said

[pine spire]

Correct

[quaint spindle]

negative

[lofty plover]

thank you for that too

[lofty plover]

Thank you so much for that

[hoary frigate]

dps tooltip estimation for minions when plz? At least is it being worked on?

[placid plinth]

I know individual minion ability dps tooltips were being worked on. Not sure if the actual summon abilities estimate dps though.

[hoary frigate]

good news thanks

[dim prairie]

1.4 bug fixes is very important ?
in 1.3 I have a lot of bugs for example, sometime invisible monster etc ... ?

[placid plinth]

Please use the in game bug reporting tool by pressing [F8] to report bugs.

[dim prairie]

• 1.4 update is better things than 1.2 you said that in previous stream, but, how much ?
• this patch create a lot of new build ?
• buff build maybe less strong ?

If can't answer, don't worry, I can wait it's very soon ✨
big update is coming and I really hope for big and fun season ❤️ ( I'm not english but I use google translate sorry 🙏 )

[placid plinth]

I don't generally share new information about upcoming patches here. Every major patch comes with significant balance changes and new content.

[lofty plover]

Are you all working on blood splatter's, arcane absorption node since it doesn't have a uptime identifier?

[placid plinth]

I don't know, I don't have details available on specific upcoming changes. If you'd like to suggest that we add it, please put it in #suggestions instead.

We generally try to avoid putting buff timers up if they are consistent. I don't know if that one is or not but that would explain why it doesn't have one.

[lofty plover]

Okay sounds good to me

[frank panther]

any info on echo chains or how imprints will work with corruptions tomorrow?

[tulip ivy]

If there’s going to be info, you are going to find out tomorrow.. Mike doesn’t really do spoilers in here 😄

[final cave]

So Mike, Slay the Spire 2 is coming out on March 5th. Are all the card nerds playing coop at lunchtime?

[placid plinth]

I can't handle all these releases, I need like 3 more of me. A friend just linked the new Voyager game (by far my all time favorite Star Trek) that just launched. D2R just launched the warlock update, ladder reset tomorrow. I have Echoes of Wisdom sitting unopened as a christmas present still. TQ2 just pushed an update, Darkhaven just dropped a demo. I'm in overload!

[final cave]

Yes. insert willem dafoe smiling meme

[zenith patrol]

Hiya, devs. Vaults of Barnacle King chests have same imprint proc rules as say Unclaimed Troves? And corruption doesn't modify procs yah?

[placid plinth]

afaik that should work. I'm not sure about corruption though.

I feel like it should at least

[frank panther]

Corruption scales number of items not proc rate for chest imprint

[marble socket]

Devstream confirmed today?

[eternal zinc]

Special guest confirmed today?

[fossil cradle]

Hey all! A long while ago I had requested to join up on the Creator Program on Lurkit. May I be so bold as to ask someone to review and possibly approve?

[pine dome]

@jaunty pier

[fossil cradle]

Thank you

[torn seal]

Will there be a stream tonight? If so can we have a mechanics nerd so we can ask some nerdy questions about new set/unique interractions?

[flint bloom]

yes the stream will happen

mike is a mechanics nerd. tho he likely wont spoil too much, since its still a month out

[tired bridge]

is there also gonna be a new class with the new season? The paid one you guys were talking about

[fleet galleon]

No.

[kindred sky]

Spellbalde get a revamp no?

[flint bloom]

we just had some teasers for fire aura. other than that no news afaik.

[twilit rune]

Wasn't there changes to Passive tree also? Some Cast glacier on cold melee skills or something like that?

[tired bridge]

is that off the works completely or just not coming with this patch?

[fleet galleon]

It's coming around when the expansion comes which isn't yet.

[flint bloom]

maybe? idr exactly. all the teasers were pulled together in the forums tho

[timid fjord]

here's the link to the post where the leaks are gathered
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/season-4-weve-sprung-a-leak/79956

[vague holly]

Are echos finally getting a leaderboard?

[plucky badge]

Thanks for sharing @timid fjord. It's a great resource to see what's coming up!

[eternal zinc]

🤔 It's interesting that release a trailer 2 days before the 2nd anniversary instead of...Oh weekend, ok make sense
I guess EHG want to celebrate the 2nd anniversary in this way?

Maybe I should sync that too. Happy birthday, last epoch.

(I hope I can hear some news about love epoch when 3rd anniversary, thank you)

[placid plinth]

We are working on a few types of leaderboards., no ETA.

[dim birch]

Are we going to be able to corrupt regular set items?

[placid plinth]

I'll take a look at which ones were in the trailer so I know how they work for stream.

[placid plinth]

yes

[sturdy ridge]

Will you be expanding on what guile , madness , apathy etc does

[jaunty obsidian]

Does Madness, Brutality, Rampancy, and Apathy count as attributes?

[placid plinth]

Not their specific effects.

[placid plinth]

yes, they are still attributes. It's like how Rage is still mana.

[dim birch]

followup, if a set item is unmodifiable because its corrupted, will you still be able to break them down for set shards?

[sturdy ridge]

Will there be teasers today?>

[jaunty obsidian]

How does it interact with the new Weaver set item?

[hoary frigate]

if a passive says '1% crit multi for 1 point of Dex' would that still work if I convert 100% of Dex into Guile?

[placid plinth]

yes

[placid plinth]

same way normal ones do

[placid plinth]

yes

[placid plinth]

I don't see why not but I haven't tried

[hoary frigate]

even more teasers ? I'm in

[plucky badge]

Just got some insight:

*You can shatter corrupted items (assuming the item would be able to be shattered if it wasn't corrupted - for example unique items cannot be shattered)

Then when the item is shattered, any normal craftable affixes can be obtained as shards, such as set shards. Corrupted affixes are not obtainable as craftable shards*

@dim birch ^

[dim birch]

Oh thanks!

[plucky badge]

No problem!

[frank panther]

if you have a sealed set affix can you get another set or it is blocked on the corruption?

[placid plinth]

The only item in the game that can count towards multiple sets is the Primordial Unique Legends Entwined.

[jovial pumice]

are you gona tell us what the alternative Attributes like Madness will do? so i can think of a potential build?

[verbal pine]

to follow up on that set question you wouldnt be able too if it is ruined correct?

also

mike if you can pretty please with a cherry on top ask the teaser givers to let us see what madness is/does?

[flint bloom]

let them suffer in MADNESS until patch notes

[sturdy ridge]

D:

[dim birch]

Does the new exulis amulet always come with corrupted conversion affixes?

[verbal pine]

good quesiton

[placid plinth]

no, just showing off which were which really

[quaint spindle]

MADNESS?!?! THIS IS ETERRAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[placid plinth]

no

[placid plinth]

no

we will share it in hype week

[flint bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-off-mngani-spartan-gif-23659873

[sturdy ridge]

Hype week as in press tour 👀

[dim birch]

Are the conversion affixes always the same for each attribute? (like is dex always guile or can dex also be madness?)

[quaint spindle]

exactly

[placid plinth]

dex is always guile

[quaint spindle]

what abot MBison and Blanka?

[frank panther]

will every idol type* be corruptible?

[fossil dune]

No love for Vega 😔

[quaint spindle]

oh hes up there - he just wasnt the 1st 2 puns that came to mind lol

[cursive basin]

does the 'dark rush' node of shield rush convert all base shield rush dmg to void now? or is it still physical?

[cursive sparrow]

how brutal can we make our builds in 1.4?

[jaunty dune]

i'd be interested to see a heatmap for ring of shields (over level 90 & over 100c)

[fresh heron]

still phys

[eternal zinc]

👀 Why EHG don't release a post about the trailer on xiaoheihe? I just see the trailer on Bilibili. Of course, relevant translations for new unique, new echo chains, new set are missed too

[crude plover]

was it EHG themselves that posted it on bilibili? doesn't seem like it from what I can see

[eternal zinc]

yes.
【最后纪元官方预告片 | 第四赛季 - 破碎的预兆】 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV17tfVBmEGQ/?share_source=copy_web&vd_source=f75b5609f6ae0e87186e4c5cae13f074

(it's why I think it's "semi-Chinese")

[eternal zinc]

Mike maybe think I'm using semi-English on the opposite because many Chinese characters appear here lol

We're ended in a draw :)

[timid fjord]

Is there any place that drops corrupted items naturally or are they only from the rune?
like we had the woven echo that gave T8 exalted champion drops.

[restive hull]

theres more stuff coming other than whats in that trailer, right guys? ........ guys ?

[flint bloom]

Yes. Trailers are there to show something, not everything.

Just like movie trailers dont show the whole movie.

[jaunty obsidian]

1. Do Corrupted affixes count for the effects of Whetstone Gavel?
2. Do Corrupted idol affixes benefit from Reliquary Nest and Wings of Discord?
3. Would a Corrupted Julra's Obsession apply the Corrupted affixes to minions?

[pine dome]

Hi Mike, is that a mistake in the trailer? Because silver idols aren't supposed to be droppable

[deft perch]

I assumed it was a new idol type, are silver idols already in the game?

[flint bloom]

kinda. they are used as a base type for throne but arent actually dropable. dev shenanigans most likely (they can also make blessings as real items)

[timid fjord]

but there is that other new kind of idol too, maybe silver one is the sentinel equivalent?

[hoary frigate]

will there be any kind of sink for unused runes or maybe rune exchange? Because I have thousands or Discoverhy runes I dont know what to do with them I dont need that much

[marble socket]

Congratulations, dev team. It's been two years of this fantastic game!

👏 👏 👏 🥳

[placid plinth]

Yea, items can drop pre-corrupted in certain situations.

[placid plinth]

They work the same as sealed affixes from other sources like the Glyph or enchanting.

[placid plinth]

I'm not sure, if you remind me on Monday I can check. That art is a colour shifted version of the existing one right? I doubt that was in the game before.

[placid plinth]

I've been asking for a woven echo reward for that for a while

[dim birch]

Does Exulis always drop as corrupted?

[manic crown]

Is there a chance the teased items shown can change before release?

[quaint spindle]

chance is unlikely but not zero 🙂

[cursive sparrow]

Will ehg pay more attention to meta in next seasons? especially regarding mtx, for example prioritizing meta skill effects over things like rive/swipe etc? Also how does ehg choose which skills get mtx?

[manic crown]

The new primalist relic has a weird design of thorn totems getting more castspeed for 1 second, its short 😅

[quaint spindle]

A lot of my data work will be helping to guide MTX development in the future 🙂

This may or may not impact 1.4 immediately - but definitely part of the flow going forward

[flint bloom]

first order of business, i require a muffin themed abomination mtx skin similar to this

chop chop

[hoary frigate]

I do think it is rather short too but maybe 1.5 sec was considered way too opie 😄

[quaint spindle]

I need LE to have Summon Raging Muffins like PoE's Summon Raging Spirits

lmao

[ember topaz]

Muffintegrate, an mtx for disintegrate that covers enemies with muffins, or turns them into muffins

[pine dome]

Hi Mike, will the new relic work with Maul (with the node that applies Fury Leap tree) and Roar?

[final cave]

If I get enough CDR, can I alternate Fury Leap and Warcry to get almost permanent uptime on this effect? Also, do you like to play piano?

[quaint spindle]

lmao

[quaint spindle]

https://tenor.com/IJML.gif

I can hear this gif...

[placid plinth]

I'd have to look it up to be sure but I wouldn't think so. Maul and Roar are different skills.

Hmm, actually, are there any other effects that can work at an example.

[pine dome]

Yrun Penance sword convert Fury Leap to cold

And if you apply Fury Leap to Maul, Maul become cold too

Don't worry, I'll ask again during your working week 😁

[verbal pine]

will create shadow be able to imitate the new skills (bladestorm/shadow rend) or its still what it can imatate now which is: Shadow Cascade, Shurikens, Umbral Blades and Acid Flask

[marble socket]

Regarding Umbrall Blades, will you guys keep it as a generic skill or move it to the BladeDancer skills?

[placid plinth]

It's staying where it is. Might have an unlock order shift but it's still base rogue. We have other plans for a BD specific skill later.

[quaint holly]

Trailer got me hyped, just one piece of advice, don't skimp out on density in the mechanic

Very good mechanic, breach/ritual like. Make sure you guys make it so the player feels satisfied doing them and looks forwards to doing more.

Density = Dopamine

[eternal zinc]

⬆️ Genius idea, I want that mtx

(I will not use disintegrate though...)

[sturdy ridge]

Even with the nodes that make them use the warcry and fury leap tree?

[fervent girder]

Is it possible to revisit an item from a really long time like fracture crown and make it less tedious to craft in the future? like its really annoying and you can blew 2 tabs of helmets trying to craft one thats good enough for the build.

[valid marlin]

Yes, it is possible.
#suggestions

[zenith isle]

Can the "Waves of Light" that was apart of Sigils of Hope(Divine Flare) be added to Symbols of Hope(Divine Flare) I am a avid offline player and I downgrade my game to the older patch just so i am able to play with this skill again.

I also would like to see the statistics of the Current Divine Flare area of the tree at 100 corruption if that is possible.

[crude plover]

What do you mean? waves of light is still a node in symbols of hope

[jaunty dune]

here's the heat map for paladin - i asked the other day
#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[inner quest]

they probably want the heatmap for builds where they allocated divine flare, not just characters that have symbols of hope in general

[jaunty dune]

if they want that it's a blank heatmap, on paladin over 300c at least

[rancid seal]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/bug-skill-acid-flask-when-using-mtx-volatile-elixir-acid-flask/80464

[fleet galleon]

Good that you made a bug report about it. No need to post it here separately
This channel isn't for bug reports

[cinder wind]

Can you guys give any teasers on how much Spellblade might be changing in the next update? I saw the fire aura changes so now I'm curious

[hoary frigate]

omg just started SSF characterr only to find out Tab Priority absolutely not working in that mode!! It's working good in normal mode though for me but in SSF it doesnt at all.

[worldly marten]

is there a way to disable showing/rendering of enemy bodies (corpses) ?

[worldly marten]

maybe you just have similar tab priorities on multiple tabs or one of the tabs is full?

[placid plinth]

No

[flint bloom]

have you all added in a way to track play time on a character? like a /played? if not is it like really hard to code or resource intensive?

[worldly marten]

i'd rather have multithreading first before less usefull stuff

[quaint spindle]

We have not, but it's a big want for all my data stuff

[eternal zinc]

I wish it live in offline mode too if it can be executed one day

[misty bobcat]

In the trailer you can see the last echo in the echo chain grants corrupted items as a reward. Not sure why you want that. I mean the chance of something dropping that you actually need seems negligible and it blocks a crating opportunity. Just like items from the Rift Beast echo with T8 on them. It's not a reward at all.

[sturdy ridge]

Hey Mike , is there an update on whether roar can trigger the new totem relic?

[zenith isle]

I ment the chaining it function of it (instead of the recast chance)

[pine chasm]

Most/all of the spellblade teasers are here: https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/looking-ahead-in-last-epoch/80230#spellblade-updates-14

[misty bobcat]

Can ruined items be sold in MG?

[dim birch]

Can you imprint ruined items? And will they drop ruined items if you do?

[opaque adder]

a couple of questions,

• do altars have affixes like the rest of the items? and if yes, are they craftable?
• can we corrupt primordial and set items?
• can we get experimental affixes via corruption?

[dim birch]

I know set items can be corrupted because I asked here the other day

[opaque adder]

also,

• can we use ruined items for a sacrifice to reroll another item?

[hoary frigate]

no. it is easily reproducable. Create a Solo Character Found character then set Tab Priority ,say, to uniques and then normal idols go there for some reason. tabs not full. No matter what priority I set it doesn't work but it works perfectly in the Normal mode (no SSF). For example, I set priority to IDOLS >> Minor Eterean Idols (no other changes made there) but for some reason Stout Eterean (normal not weaver) go there too...

can my minions start the new Omen event by walking into the circle or only a player can do that?

[quaint spindle]

player

[flint bloom]

hey muffin...now that you have doing all this data stuff...is it possible to get a poeninja type breakdown of current mastery choices on like the forums or somethin?

[quaint spindle]

its not really in a public friendly accessible way - maybe some day 🙂

that would be the ideal

[flint bloom]

aye, like not right now but theoretically possible?

[quaint spindle]

something I would love to do eventually yes

[fallen hatch]

Hi, could we get regional pricing adjustments for Poland? We have to pay nearly 20 USD more than we should for a Primal Legend supporter pack and it really hurts when you consider how many of those packs are there

[worldly marten]

Its obviously Crafton's decision now and i dont think any crafton execs are on this discord server

[fallen hatch]

I'd prefer devs' answer to that since they are connected in any way to people who actually could influence that pricing unlike us

[worldly marten]

I must be way out of the loop, "mastery choices"? " Current mastery"? 🤔 🤔

[flint bloom]

Yeah idk how to explain it to you but since i was askin muffin and he answered i really dont want to try

[worldly marten]

I dont think employees can influence company's buiseness decisions or legally allowed to share related information, especially publicly

[flint bloom]

How about we stop the conversation since it doesnt belong here

And let the devs answer when they get back

[fallen hatch]

Okay so what I mean is that it's easily doable because I have friends from Ukraine, Canada and many other places where the prices differ so why can't they differ for Poland too? I'm not going to buy a single pack if I'm supposed to pay 125% of a price of it, and yeah Eagles is right, I'm waiting for a dev response to that, not player

[mighty haven]

I could use some dev knowledge on a heatmap for Shadow Cascade on Marksman at high corruption; do they exist? What will it say about the Hurricane of Blades node?

[quaint spindle]

I'll grab this for you once I'm at my desk starting my day

[night quartz]

Why don’t we have any ”real” dots builds in LE like e.g. bleed in PoE?
It’s all either dot stacking which plays exactly the same as hit but with delayed dmg and more consistent leech.
Or add dots and then pop them.

[manic crown]

You can consume ignites with Enchanted weapon, pop bleed stacks with puncture afaik. Don't think it feels that great though

[quaint spindle]

1st almost nobody uses it for Marksman at 500c+ corruption - but of those who do

[pine dome]

I love how it says 100% or 50%
It feels like there are exactly 2 person using that skill

[quaint spindle]

rofl

[night quartz]

Even time rot that has a cap of 12 dots needs to be applied and popped, reapplied and popped and so on.

I just want a pure dot archetype like bleed on PoE. You apply 1 dot and it ticks for the duration and if you reapply it it overrides the old one only if it’s stronger

[vital delta]

so Witchfire? Genuinely asking, how is a dot build that only uses 1 stack meaningfully different/more 'pure' than one that applies many stacks? I haven't played much PoE

[pine dome]

This is turning into a conversation (very interesting one), please slide it to #💬┃general or #❔┃ask-the-community 😁

[placid plinth]

Most of the time we are looking for an active role in playstyles and if you want to do damage with dots, applying dots is often a good way to do that. I think warlock has the most and most interesting dot options at the moment. As byoomba mentioned, Witchfire is pretty close to what you're looking for, big dot damage, max 1 stack, reapply if you can make it stronger.

[sturdy ridge]

Hi mike , been wanting to ask you if roar can trigger the new thorn totem unique relic?

[placid plinth]

As far as I know we just use the default steam regional pricing, I'm not sure why there are some regions which seem like outliers. I'm more of a game mechanics person than a business person. I think we've had similar requests for Turkey before too.

[placid plinth]

I'll look

[jaunty dune]

not sure if this is something that you can comment on because it's sorta been teased but in a quite cryptic way... the new amulet Exulis has 2 corrupted modifiers on it in the trailer... is this an effect that is unique the Exulis or will be be able to 'double corrupt' gear? 👀

[pine chasm]

While you're at it, can you also check if maul triggers it when the 'fury leap tree applies to maul' node is allocated? 👀

[cold panther]

Will fire aura in the new season scale with more multipliers from the skill that triggered it?

[crude plover]

Fire aura isn't a sub skill even when procced from another skill

[vital delta]

I'm 95% sure I saw a comment somewhere that corrupting an item makes it no longer modifiable. I think the two affixes was the result of one corruption

[rough lynx]

What could be making my Wraithlord's beam being red? It used to be turquoise (necrotic color)

[flint bloom]

A dark red is typically physical conversion

[rough lynx]

What could be converting Wraithlord's necrotic beams to phys? 🤔

[pearl rock]

will the berserker belt be fixed next season? i really wanted to try that belt!

[pine dome]

It was confirmed to be fixed for next season

[fervent girder]

How about the lich corrupted form bugged if possible to know if its fixed next season as well?

[torn void]

Does the 10 Smites/2 seconds from Rahyeh idols count as the same 10 Smites/2 Seconds from the Storm Champion's mace/spear affix?

[misty bobcat]

It was already confirmed here that it is not an effect unique to Exulis (Exulis doesn't come pre-corrupted), but added to showcase all conversion type names.

[jovial pumice]

is there a chance we will get another stage of empowering Nemesis in S4 or at some point later?

[dark frigate]

Is online pause something currently worked on?

[tulip ivy]

If it’s not in any of the teasers or anywhere in writing, Mike will not give you a spoiler in here (unless he has discussed it already)

[placid plinth]

yes, it works with both roar and maul when the applicable nodes are taken in werebear @pine chasm for visibility

[placid plinth]

the specifics have not be explained, sorry

[placid plinth]

they remain as they are, not a subskill and therefore do not inherit from any skill which indirectly triggers them. (burning daggers also behaves this way)

[sturdy ridge]

Thank you!

[placid plinth]

yes, it is the same property and are additive

[placid plinth]

There is always a chance if you put it in #suggestions . We haven't added it for season 4.

[placid plinth]

I'm not sure to what degree it is being worked on if at all. It is something we very much want to have in the game. I think we might even need to have it for console but I'm not sure if that's a hard requirement or not.

[regal stratus]

will the rampant coast imprint proc rate be adjusted for season 4?

[placid plinth]

I don't know. I don't generally have info like that available here.

[verbal pine]

Could we ever see skills from classes be transferred to another if it fit the theme more of the mastery?

Ex. Void Sorcerer gets Devouiring Orb from Void Knight

[stoic nest]

Did you find out? Because I just checked my build and found nothing. Seems like a visual bug?

[rough lynx]

Nope still no clue, but I logged my past online character (because I had the bug in offline first) and my S2 Wraithlord char now have red beams without any changes (It was definitely turquoise before)

So it's quite likely a bug, BUT I wonder, is it purely visual or is it actually a physical damage type conversion?? 😮

[crude plover]

Do you have the flame wraith node or an idol with flame wraith chance?

[rough lynx]

Here's the online char I just tested that had red beams too. https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/kazyek/character/Kaz-Harbour
I definitely don't purposefully have flame wraith, and looking at the tree and gear I don't think I "accidently" have some either

[crude plover]

yeah not sure then

[rough lynx]

do you have green beams on yours?? 😮

[stoic nest]

Was necrotic when I paid attention a while ago, but when I read your comment here, checked mine and it is red. It's weird. Could it becomes red because of minion got not only necrotic type of damage as "added fire damage, cold etc" or something else?

[heady onyx]

Will we be able to see all of the passive tree changes before the update launches? I seem to remember getting the lich, necro, and BM trees at least a couple of days early but I'm second guessing myself

[flint bloom]

there will be all the changes when patch notes are released

there hasnt been a public date for that release tho

but last season we had days to plan after the release

[modest pollen]

Will the Rahyeh's Embrace body armor be tied to dropping from hard / pinnacle content only, or is it safe to assume that casual players can somewhat easily obtain it?

[placid plinth]

it is a random drop item with a moderate rarity and level so I don't want to say that it's easily obtainable but if you're finding for example Bloodgeon easily then yes.

[modest pollen]

Great, thanks!

[lofty plover]

Have you all thought about letting magic or rare items have x chance to break and/or have exponential cost when forging above T5?

[placid plinth]

yes

[limber plume]

Is corrupting into set item random or it respects the class you are currently playing?

[placid plinth]

random (it does respect item type restrictions though)

[dark frigate]

is the "256+" fps counter limit just an ui decision to not show more fps and if not is it because of an optimization that its an uint8 instead for uint16 or is it someone just chose to use uint8 and no one changed it because it doesnt really matter anyway?

[placid plinth]

I am really not sure on that one. My guess is that it was reporting like that and anything over that is kinda irrelevant so we just didn't increase the max value. The UI would have had to be specifically set up to say 256+ though.

[spark pasture]

When will anything guild related come to the discord / game.

Even a section where we can advertise our clan for group play in discord.

[flint bloom]

You can already advertise your clan server in #1361743745116016780

[regal stratus]

Are idol altars tradeable?

[spark pasture]

Thank you.

[placid plinth]

yes, they follow the same rules as other items. So giftable if dropped together and sellable at the bazaar if you are in MG and have the requirements.

[fallen hatch]

Okay but is there any way then you could change it for some countries? Because I am really interested in buying it as my 3rd legend pack I would own but I'm not going to let steam scam me for 17 USD and i want to use my steam wallet money so it has to go through steam unfortunately. Or if you're not the business guy which is understandable, everyone has a role of some sort then where can I find someone who could solve my issue?

[placid plinth]

I fully missed that you were talking about the supporter packs in the initial message. I'm sorry, I really don't know what the limitations on the system are at all. I have no idea if steam would let us set regional prices for the packs like that. You can submit a support ticket on our support site to have your message reach a more appropriate person.

[fallen hatch]

thanks man, i'll do that then, appreciate the response

[placid plinth]

!support

[fiery lily]

Let's work together to get it sorted! We've support articles and a contact form here: https://support.lastepoch.com/.

[placid plinth]

wild, discord is not letting me send messages correctly

[fallen hatch]

dont worry i know that site, messaged you about sth back in the day 😄 still thanks

[eternal zinc]

Can I expect a special guest will come to Mike's stream on Mar. 20th?

[valid marlin]

Did anything ever come of this?

[jaunty dune]

free expansion is free, paid class is paid edit: sorry didn't realize this was about for people who buy it later. not sure

[proper mortar]

In terms of Databases. . .
Did you hear about this? I don't know if it will affect anything you do but a friend sent me this and it's pure gold:

You might not be a tech guy but I think you'll appreciate this video
https://youtu.be/C7gJ_UxVnSk?t=627
From this timestamp I included

[eternal zinc]

Why COO thought you're punked him?

[fleet galleon]

Probably like "This guy is claiming he has the exact set of skills we are looking for? Surely he's not serious"

[karmic palm]

When do we get patchnotes?

[timid fjord]

Last two seasons we received full patch notes six days before launch so 20th of March seems pretty likely
edit: Actually upon checking both former seasons started on Thursday and season 4 is planned on Thursday too. Previous notes were on Fridays and 20th of march is Friday, so if nothing unexpected occur I'm 100% that we get to bombard Mike with questions from patch notes on that Friday.

[dim prairie]

mid march maybe or 18-19

[placid plinth]

apparently not? I was technically on vacation at that point and was only kinda hanging around. I just assumed they said something.

[placid plinth]

the others are right. I'm not sure of a specific date but shortly before the patch is usual

[valid marlin]

Ill just say that many take it as fact that the announcement communicated an increase purchase price for people who dont already own the game. Ive been called illiterate on several occasions for claiming it doesnt explicitly say that and that I dont think that was the intention of the writer.

Some explicit communication on the point would be appreciated.

I could certainly accept if EHG doesnt want to make any promises about pricing that far in advance other than the promises made

[tulip ivy]

I do agree with you that it doesn’t say that. I would definitely not call you illiterate. It’s not clear but it definitely doesn’t say “we will increase the game price once the expansion drops”

[sweet iris]

Hey, do we have any timeline on DLSS/FSR support?

[placid plinth]

Not at the moment.

[sweet iris]

[verbal pine]

If you can share whats your favorite bug thats getting fixed for season 4

[delicate osprey]

Was the content reveal about season 4 a ,,one-time-thing'' or will this now be normal for every season?