💬┃general

[main frigate]

But I'm not fine with both the delay and the content of S4

[median widget]

The content for S4 looks very underwhelming and not interesting at all.

[acoustic palm]

Well, we only saw a roadmap, so we shouldn't have all the 'content' there.

And since the description from the new corruption mechanic is word by word from path of exile vaal orb, and the circle one is breach, they can port more content, like there are many ideas that they can borrow.

[willow sentinel]

Good morning travelers

[acoustic palm]

Morning cutie

[willow sentinel]

March 26th... That's far away

But the season looks nice

[acoustic palm]

A bit of dooming from my end, but looks more solid than 1.3

[woven sentinel]

I'll be okay I'm bored anyways as I have my bear Uber killer and a Bayblade I wanna try do something different. I won't burn myself out don't worry

[acoustic palm]

People should give runemaster a try, I loved it

[balmy arrow]

I wish there was a wipe button xD

[woven sentinel]

I have a LB rune master and a Ballista in the works

[willow sentinel]

Wdym?

[balmy arrow]

I have no idea what to do until the end of March xD

[woven sentinel]

Just delete your character? You can do that

[balmy arrow]

I've deleted characters three times already.I'm too lazy to clean out all my chests xDDDD

[woven sentinel]

😂

[willow sentinel]

Start in SSF

[shut quiver]

U could play other games? Entirely different genre so u'll develop a longing for this game till then xD

[willow sentinel]

I am pretty interested in this

[balmy arrow]

I suddenly started playing Escape from Duckov xDDDD

[woven sentinel]

Oo a leak? Haha jk

[willow sentinel]

Looks like the "shitty" chest at the end of the echo has been replaced with a forge thingy

[woven sentinel]

I've not watched the trailer yet as stuck at work

[willow sentinel]

And you can boost your Echo reward

[shut quiver]

Ooo I've heard about that game but haven't tried it yet..gotta look into that

[balmy arrow]

Oh really

[willow sentinel]

This is pure speculation

But it do look like that

3 chests icons to get with stability
3 sockets in the ground
The chest has been replaced with a forge

[balmy arrow]

and perhaps this forge will be a reward for completing a certain echo

[willow sentinel]

Maybe some parts yeah

[balmy arrow]

xD

[obtuse bay]

I woke up

HOLY MOLY ROADMAP

corrupted rune

[acoustic palm]

and blue breach

looks decent

I would really love to have Legion here too. If they can port it in 0.5. My erassing strike would love it

[obtuse bay]

I wonder how good spellblade will be

[acoustic palm]

hopefully good

[obtuse bay]

❤️

[willow sentinel]

It's weird, we see a few mana sustain nodes, but I have never felt mana was a problem as Spellblade

[acoustic palm]

Maybe it stacks with mana and you can use loads amount of mana like in poe with mana cloak ?

So you need a lot of mana sustain to regen it back up ?

We need more info in any case.

[inner finch]

☕

[obtuse bay]

✋ 😮 🤚 absolute cinema roadmap

[muted cape]

man next season hype, gonna be so good

[inner finch]

i knew we gonna get a bit of a further delay on season 4, and im happy to see EHG understands that turning the base game into a more coherent and contemporary experience is important

[muted cape]

yeah I told them once before, slow, and steady wins the race. I think it worked!

[willow sentinel]

Nah, I think it would be better to have half assed season content, underbaked mechanics and more every 2 months

[inner finch]

[muted cape]

considering that was their pace, and vision for the majority of early access, and 1.0 release.

[willow sentinel]

I would take a 1/3 of a skill tree, filled with bugs every 3 weeks

[muted cape]

jsut build small pieces and then bigger small pieces and before you know it you have a gargantious, elite game

[willow sentinel]

Kid brought to school
Time to dissect the post

[inner finch]

The primalist animation overhaul might make me finally invest in the primalist

[muted cape]

what's wrong with the animations? the companion, and minion ones are really good.

[inner finch]

If everything was right, it wouldn't need an animation overhaul

Rigging is very stiff, combat feels delayed

[willow sentinel]

So uniques and idols too

Cant wait to get 4lp RR with this

[muted cape]

man primalist animations, and such have been overhauled so many times since alpha lol. and I have 5k hours alone just on primalist

[inner finch]

Yeah, there were essentially 2 overhauls

[muted cape]

actually insane how le is going to be on ps5 launch

I might just end up playing le on ps5 if the performance is better

[inner finch]

Animation and control of characters can reach very particular granularities

there's a lot to aspire when it comes to how animation behaves with movement, buffs, input queue

[willow sentinel]

New UI looks nice and clean

[muted cape]

echo chains are a nice touch

[willow sentinel]

Indeed

I feel like they are made for players like me ^^

I cant be bothered to setup 60 woven echoes in a spiral to get the most of the system

[muted cape]

LOL I just had a crazy idea

[inner finch]

I hope that when it comes to animation enemies could also get new death mechanics instead of having baked animations. Im really hoping that one day we can get proper ragdolling. You can see it in the Rogue skill gif, how those crab spider things synchronize fllipping on their backs when killed

[muted cape]

what if we could modify the echo chains? increase the stability multiplier if you hit a chain first few echoes in the web.

[willow sentinel]

😭

Why such a small limit

[fervent lintel]

So we stop playing those builds

[muted cape]

probably because sorc has enough spammy spells, and spell procs in its arsenal.

[willow sentinel]

We havent started yet

[obtuse bay]

they knew mage was powerful 😭 this nerf wasn't necerssary

[fervent lintel]

Well, you know. When there's controversy and review bombing, what better time to drop off-putting nerfs?

[inner finch]

on kill procs aren't great, never have been, ever in this whole genre

[willow sentinel]

Its not nerf, its a new node

[fervent lintel]

PoE's explosion chests would beg to differ

[willow sentinel]

But I feel like they are a bit conservative

[muted cape]

ohh are they extra procs?

[vital crown]

And to think they even hesitated to make us pay for the “expansion” that contains the end of the campaign, which should have been finished for version 1.0

[willow sentinel]

I wonder if the new one will replace the old one

Or can we get both

[muted cape]

who knows I will never play mage

[inner finch]

let em keep begging. on kill skill procs are horrible for a difficult and density variable game. They punish players based on maps, enemy type

[willow sentinel]

[fervent lintel]

And they have disabled react emojis. It's almost like saying, "Please don't play our game or support our community. Just put us financially out of our misery already."

[muted cape]

I was so close to getting mage minion scaling a few years ago.

[fervent lintel]

You aren't "punished" lol. It's just not being rewarded extra.

[muted cape]

but alas the item turned into void volacanic orb :d

[fervent lintel]

Also, sometimes these games have effects with grant you buffs on kill, and those are usually awesome

[inner finch]

free buffs are alright, paying passive and skill points on it is investing in an unreliable mechanic

[fervent lintel]

It's plenty reliable--it's just not meant for bossing

[muted cape]

well it will hit rares, and bosses so maybe you get a bit better dps

[zealous mesa]

even among all the recent controversy, the last post reignited the craving 😅 , good job ehg
new content look fun and exciting, can't wait for march.
Game will probably be fun until extension, and then it's wait and see if i play.

[inner finch]

I see that from the primalist animation there's still no proper decoupling of upper body and leg movement, but it does look a bit better than the current situation

[obtuse bay]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message do you remember this? they haven't used this on roadmap, so there will be more uniques than Rahyeh's Embrace?

[willow sentinel]

I think if they ever release a patch with only one unique, it will be the end of LE , no joke

[obtuse bay]

I see

[low moon]

Breach in LE

[fervent lintel]

Apparently they can't do too many mobs at once

[muted cape]

did they say what that was?

that's some really cool looking art, reminds me of the artist who did vape mod necromancer

[main frigate]

... Slept another 4h, I'm awake finally

[low moon]

as long as its fun enough, ill play, defo will try tho, so hopefully EHG realises that in a breach league (lets be honest the inspiration is crystal clear) people wanna blast

[muted cape]

ohh yeah the next most important post after the roadmap.

[zealous mesa]

oooh missed that one, NOICE

[autumn kindle]

Im so hyped for d4 expansion

[main frigate]

Nice reminder for testing... Will Judd reply me

[random nacelle]

may 26. lmao. yeah.... im out of here. rip

[willow sentinel]

March

But yea, have a nice time away

[tulip orbit]

Good morning everyone

[brittle hollow]

I mean we still have people saying they are making us pay for the end of the campaign which.. you know..

[strange gale]

My god the amount of hate EHG get every post.
The ONLY "bad" thing they're doing is paid classes (which isn't even a bad thing imo, rather pay for classes than content)
New season seems like it's gonna be fun, reminds me of breach and a bit of ultimatum from poe. Only downside is yet another long wait between seasons, slow dev cycle but at least they get time to cook

[main frigate]

I wonder will paid class release with the expansion at the same time

...Alright release date always mean something

Will the expansion spend a whole year to be prepared so we will see that in 2027? 🤔

[narrow cipher]

6-9 months between new seasons is a good thing?

[strange gale]

Re-read, I specified that is a downside but tried to add some positive spin to it with "at least they have time to cook"
Still REALLY hate how long it takes them to do seasons but tbf, their dev team is very small for a game like this

[narrow cipher]

GGG had faster content pace with similar team

[strange gale]

GGG also struggle to release anything good with a team bigger

[low moon]

They arent the ones doing the bad thing, and thats the main thing...Thing.

[steel mesa]

Honestly this is the truth. The only good thing they've done as of late is the abyss update for PoE2. Otherwise their work has mostly been meh.

[strange gale]

Honestly, even then, the only good part of abyss is the crafting materials from it, the actual abyss mechanic is pretty horrible. And iirc they're nuking the crafting in 0.4 anyway

[blissful vine]

march

how is it always always 3-4 months and then suddnely its 6-9 months

[stable shoal]

The one thing that would hype me beyond it a havoc runes prophecy or something like that still hoping they can figure out in 7-8 months how to make one

[steel mesa]

Yeah the crafting is getting nuked, they don't want crafting to be that deterministic.

[strange gale]

In short: "Hey we noticed that you like the game, can you please stop that." -Jonathan GGG

[steel mesa]

Basically. I'm debating skipping the new league tbh.

[stable shoal]

Druid looks cool

[strange gale]

Can't forget the fact that they showcased the last lament lich build and now are literally removing it entirely

[strange gale]

Also looks like the weakest class in POE history

[stable shoal]

Don't need to try every league maybe next one will be better

[strange gale]

Same, I'm gonna try druid, then go back to diablo 4 s11, it drops the day before poe2 league and it's looking FIRE

[stable shoal]

Meh people say whatever until you actually play it

[south moat]

I haven't even played d4 since season 1
I wish I could refund the money I used to buy it

[steel mesa]

Huh. A D4 update actually looking good? idk. Maybe I'll see what they're doing.

[stable shoal]

Pathfinder could be nuts wait until someone finds how to make it op

[silk flare]

Season 4 for LE looks to be on fire! Looking forward to play it.

[strange gale]

Give it a shot in S11, it's gotten ALOT better (source: been playing since launch and suffered immensely)

[steel mesa]

I've been pretty disappointed in poe and LE lately so maybe. Literally the only arpg game I've enjoyed this year is probably Torchlight unironically.

[strange gale]

It's another huge overhaul but ngl, this one looks pretty damn good and the season theme is basically POE corruption on crack and all the lesser evils taking over

[silk flare]

I hope they really balance the primordial uniques. They are supposed to be a tier above all else, but some were not so good

[south moat]

Nah I'm good
You can go and enjoy it but I'm not going to

[steel mesa]

A real mechanic finally? not just reskinned powers? holy

[strange gale]

I'd say at least give it a try, you might actually enjoy it, plus if you do you wont feel like it was a total waste of money

[steel mesa]

0.4 looks trash so I'll try it ig. Only other game I'm playing atm is where winds meet anyway.

[strange gale]

Yep, I never thought I'd see the day

Downside tho is spiritborne is still the meta class overall

But, there is pretty reliable info that we will get paladin/crusader for the next DLC or possibly early access to it soon

[steel mesa]

I don't really care about playing the meta class so long as each class can do w/e content

[south moat]

They'll then make the paladin even stronger than spiritborne is
instantly hit dmg cap at lvl 1

[strange gale]

one can only hope

[steel mesa]

Looks at new classes in LE
...not sure if there's a difference.

[strange gale]

I stand corrected, the maxroll team just released the S11 tier list from the PTRs, and it's actually hella balanced

[steel mesa]

Only 1 sorc in S is kinda sad but that's oki

[south moat]

Well we don't have any information of the new LE classes
meanwhile how spiritborne was released and is still the strongest thing in D4?
yeah I have no doubt paladin will be incredibly strong too to encourage ppl to spend money on it

[strange gale]

Bit sad that the golem necro is low, was looking forward to it, but this is all based on PTR and changes they announced from PTR so it could change

[strange gale]

Tbf it has been getting nerfs and other classes buffed to balance it out. Rn any class is viable

[steel mesa]

I def remember how strong spiritborn was pre nerfs

[main frigate]

What are you excited for?

[strange gale]

Yeah, rake/quill volley on launch was INSANE

Tbf all because of one paragon node that was bugged

[smoky crescent]

wait, what did I miss - why are people not excited about future updates?

[steel mesa]

personally, breach is my favorite poe mechanic so seeing it in LE makes me happy. also corrupting gear will add an exciting layer of rng to the game.

[strange gale]

Fr, I love gambling

[desert valley]

On the contrary, corruption is the most hated mechanic by me so I'm really sad that they decided to introduce it

[main frigate]

Because they're not exciting 😅

[strange gale]

I don't mind it personally but it does need some adjustments (more scaling, other ways to increase it faster, new endgame mechanic aside from it as well)

[steel mesa]

looks plenty exciting to me, I've been critical of LE lately but it seems like people here just want to find something to be upset about

[strange gale]

I feel like a big gripe is that high corruption isn't rewarding at all. Why push to 1k when its loot is no different to like 400

[strange gale]

Exactly this. Criticism is fine but just being like "omg they are killing the game" is meaninless

[steel mesa]

we're talking about a different type of corrupting, they're adding "vaal orbs" from poe basically for gear

[strange gale]

Ahh that corruption

[main frigate]

EHG don't spoiler anything about how corruption system going in S4 yet.

I don't don't don't don't don't don't want to know it'll be the same

[steel mesa]

but I do agree they need to rebalance corruption in the monolith

[strange gale]

Give us double corrupting :D

Now all they need to do is add mageblood and headhunter so I can embrace my poe brain and gamble expensive gear

[main frigate]

#❔┃ask-the-community message
EHG mentioned changes for corruption in expansion part only

[silk flare]

Echo Chains and Rune of Corruption. If they do Rune of Corruption well, it could be game-changing. Let's see how it goes 🙂

[strange gale]

Gambling ftw

[steel mesa]

the echo chains do seem kinda interesting, need more information before I get too excited tho

[main frigate]

I know how corruption work in Poe 2 but I'm not sure how it perform in le

[low charm]

It better not be old glyph of envy

I think it will just increase or decrease tiers randomly then reset everything to zero

[main frigate]

And worse glyph of envy lol

[inner finch]

At least we got Falconer buffs. Its just not in the documentation

[main frigate]

It mean we maybe get champion buffs too?!

[thick lotus]

and another suggestion made with no hopes they will add that

should i rename self to suggestion-factory hmmm

[dense grove]

so Killing Mobs in a Circle ™ finally in Last Epoch

[south moat]

It's the fate of all future content in all arpgs

[buoyant scarab]

So game dead?

[willow sentinel]

Always has been

[south moat]

How's it going Vlad?

[willow sentinel]

Pretty good, not studying anymore

Chilling in LoL and doing grow up "admin" stuff

[south moat]

Good to hear

[willow sentinel]

I was comparing car insurance this morning,

I might be able to save 300€/year

For one of the cars

[deep cosmos]

anyone getting random disconnect from server every 20 ~30 mins or is just me? and when I login back I have to re-equip all cosmetics again

[south moat]

#💬┃general message
Try the stuff in this message for the cosmetic stuff

[deep cosmos]

thank you for your help. but those files don't exists in my machine

[sharp hedge]

why is the next season so far away 😭

[willow sentinel]

Too make it extra good (hopefully)

[sharp hedge]

i mean i understand, idk whats going on behind the scenes, but idk way too much time between last season and season 4

[ornate vine]

because they're slow at developing, always have been

[severe socket]

And reverse-extra-buggy hopefully.

[hushed crag]

Sorry for the late reply, god* only knows why discord starts me so long in the past but w/e
As someone who played their game for almost 10 years now, I am sad that such a nice product has such a bad company.
If they gave us an offline version that could be modded I would have no reason to play anything else, anything at all in gaming not just ARPGs.
But if they did they'd lose a lot of revenue because everyone that's unhappy with the way they handle the game would just play offline

[obtuse bay]

my electricity gone nope, it was just an teaser from mike's stream

[willow sentinel]

Prayge

[primal abyss]

Good day, Travelers~!

Hope everyone is well and had a chance to peek the details dropped yesterday

[severe socket]

👋

[ornate vine]

we have, 7 month seasons despite being sold to Krafton is certainly a choice

[gritty helm]

hello there

[south moat]

hello hello

[willow sentinel]

Van, did EHG finally figure out a way to make us stay in maps and try to fill that stability bar ? ^^

[primal abyss]

I can only speak on what I know at this time but we'll have to wait and see

I will say that I need Shadow Rend..

[south moat]

But does shadow rend need you?

[primal abyss]

Probably not...but it instantly gave me an idea to cook with

[obtuse bay]

hello van 👋

[primal abyss]

Howdy!

[obtuse bay]

it's great, I am happy to see more info about new season ❤️

also excited to try new spellblade

[primal abyss]

Yay! Yeah, this updated news was what you all deserved and we missed the mark with that prior so had to make sure that this new info was well worth your time and excitement so hearing this is really great

[obtuse bay]

someone said in the comments of new roadmap

fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me

I think this was right thing to do, so thanks to ehg team for new roadmap ❤️

[strong viper]

do you want more than 2k players online at once?

remove legendary items
remove t7 affixes

game is 100x better, free advice np

[south moat]

Hahahaha
no

[willow sentinel]

@fading spear Play nice please

[fading spear]

the emoji was me being nice

🙂

[willow sentinel]

Even though its a hard take to support ^^

[primal abyss]

If you do believe that, I would say drop that in #suggestions so the team can take it in with the other suggestions. While that is something that might not happen I will always welcome feedback and suggestions in the proper place

[fading spear]

I would imagine he's very alone in that belief

[willow sentinel]

Its indeed a very .... unusual stance ^^
That I dont agree at all with

But I can see why

good old days were farming exalted was king

[brittle hollow]

Imprints and COF/MG did make that extremely easy

Now we are asking for best strat for double t7

[willow sentinel]

What I think might be good is locking legs to only 1t7

To make using a multi exalted more competitive

And not just going for Legs everywhere

[brittle hollow]

Like we have only one t8? Bring it down to only 1t7 but in legendaries ?

[willow sentinel]

No no, when you slam

When you slam an 2lp lets say

You cant make a t7+t7

Only t7+t5

[brittle hollow]

No I get you

[willow sentinel]

Or maybe t6+t6

[brittle hollow]

It’s interesting but.. large and far most legs want the 1 guaranteed affix to make them work and then you chase the second good roll if you get a 2LP

[willow sentinel]

But legs with t7+t7 is imo

1. Unfun to farm
2. Way too powerfull

[brittle hollow]

Way too powerful yes..

I don’t know, I think there’s something lacking with the itemization part.. like uniques are good or bad.. and the good ones you have a subset that have actual builds you can make that can push high corruption

Season after season it’s the same builds and same uniques with some changes here or there. But the builds have gotten more powerful through other means

I don’t know if what I’m saying makes sense

[pine fox]

Branching item upgrades for under-used uniques could be fun, but I don't know if that would be the best way to go about making them more useable.

[brittle hollow]

Yes, that’s part of it.. and part of it is I don’t see any “mid” uniques that with the slam become good and build defining.. you have the good and the bad uniques.. like something is missing in the middle…

[viral marsh]

I would love t6 to change in some way because they're 99.9% bad until you find the t7 you want. There's no smooth transition from having t5 items to t6 imo, you're saving your good or rare unique for a t7.
T6 only really being good when you have t7 on the item you found

[night marten]

i think mostly its entirely too easy to get to those really high end good uniques. so there is no reason to try adn farm those mid uniques

[south moat]

People just don't use them
There are plenty of okayish uniques but ppl don't use them because they just go for the powerful ones right away

[brittle hollow]

Then… itemization problem

But it’s not something that’s solved easily and at least it does create the power fantasy “I’m powerful, I kill everything”

[viral marsh]

I hope corrupting items would solve this a bit, like picking up good t6 items and hope it gets corrupted with t7 instead ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brittle hollow]

If it’s part of what it does (maybe the smallest part) that would be okay.. but if the corruption result is an increase in tier or decrease then it’s going to have a very bad reception.

I don’t know how to take this corrupting items.. it’s the one thing that I didn’t see like something immediately useful . Really wanted more details than what they have on that..

[viral marsh]

I played to 400c and didn't find a t7 health affix on body armor, if corrupting items could add tiers that would've helped me a lot

[willow canopy]

Glad they made a more clear road map to share with us, mostly excited to see them finish the campaign and adding news skills. I really hope they focus on balancing things once they get the Play station release and the campaign done, but im a patient person so I can wait. Going to be rough for seasonal players though.

[woven sentinel]

Finished work woop woop time to relax

[balmy arrow]

[obtuse bay]

[balmy arrow]

🫃 🥚

[brittle hollow]

[woven sentinel]

I like those lizard emotes haha

[clever cedar]

Man the subreddit is unreadable now

[willow sentinel]

Has it ever been readable ?

[brittle hollow]

What happened this time?

I checked it earlier it was “okay”

[clever cedar]

before the krafton acq yeah it was way more digestible lol

now it's just people mad at EHG and they keep moving the goalpost, it's sad

[woven sentinel]

What is everyones plan on LE now that they have released a March date for season 4? Is anyone gonna make a new character, continue scaling your current character?

Me I said earlier with a member, I am gonna continue levelling my LB runemaster and my Ballista builds over the next few months.

My character arsenal will be:
VK warpath,
Bear Beast EQ Boss killer(only can boss kill can't do any monoliths)
LB Runemaster(in works)
Ballista(in works)

[median widget]

#news message
Probably this

[brittle hollow]

No I know that.. the subreddit wasn’t the usual cesspool though..

It was positive compared to the day before lol

[clever cedar]

first it was krafton = bad so ehg = bad, then it was "roadmap sucks" which, fair it wasn't great I think everyone knows that. Now a real roadmap is here and now it's "March? waaaah"

[brittle hollow]

Bah

[clever cedar]

like damn these must be the most unhappy people on earth

March date is a bummer but there's like 1000 other games I can play while I wait, like it's crazy to be mad

[median widget]

i think that's every community for every game where there is a group of people even slightly displeased

[clever cedar]

true

like I'd rather they cook a banger season than get it in Jan and it's not good

[woven sentinel]

I always said and U can look back at my chat history I've always said be on their birthday but prediction says Jan. I'm actually happy it's march. EHG isn't gonna be battling Diablo 4 and POE2 with their seasonal drops in Jan

[south moat]

I just think that such a long wait time for yet another league is extremely bad for the game and we'll probably not see a lot of the players come back

[clever cedar]

Yeah I'm pretty happy with that date too tbh

[viral marsh]

I think people forget EHG needs to make a really good season so they can make money, should also be why they have the date pushed so late

[clever cedar]

making money?? that's so evil! How dare you!

[woven sentinel]

You guys must admit though dropping in Jan would of killed the game due to POE2 and diablo 4 both releasing new seasons? Both massive ARPGs. So it would make sense to polish off the upcoming season with great content and release it when other ARPGs are 2/3 months into their season and people becoming bored and wanting to try something new

[south moat]

Well seeing that poe2 releases their season this week I don't think that would kill a january release.

[night marten]

how does poe2 and d4 being in dec mess with a january drop?

[median widget]

but poe2 is releasing content now, not on january

[night marten]

and march is right next to d4 again and april poe2

[woven sentinel]

Isn't D4 delayed to Jan? That's what I heard

[median widget]

no, it starts this friday, same as poe2

[woven sentinel]

Ah I was misinformed then I heard D4 was delayed

[median widget]

so jan is pretty much 'empty' with poe releasing new season somewhere in the first half of feb

[clever cedar]

Yeah I was just giving a random month. And to be honest, I don't care about them "competing seasons" with other aarpgs. Nobody forces you to pick which one to play. I really hate that EHG thinks they should have to abide by that. Blizzard doesn't care when they drop their seasons with POE and vice versa. EHG should do the same. Release it when you want. Play what you want. Do what's best for the org and not just because POE is launching their season.

[median widget]

I honestly don't think LE is popular enough to pull that off. I think it's better if they avoid releasing content around the same time window. Nevertheless they cannot avoid other arpgs forever

[viral marsh]

If it's 3 weeks between game leagues it's fine

[clever cedar]

Yeah they aren't yet for sure

[woven sentinel]

My point but couldn't get words across I'm tired haha

[clever cedar]

but I guess my anger is more towards CC's like Ziz, he was getting mad that EHG released at the same time cuz he can't create content for both games and I'm like dude the game is not just so you can make youtube videos...

[woven sentinel]

Oh I was definitely misinformed it's something within diablo 4 that's delayed to next year. Not the expansion itself haha

[viral marsh]

It's not just that, if it's around the same dates then people are forced to choose

[jade flint]

And Ziz acknowlegded that, literally said that it's bad for HIM specifically and was talking from a content creator perspective and how he would rather play other ARPGs which also in turn gives LE less audience spread

[clever cedar]

but you're not forced... the season is still going to be there if you pick one over the other

[main frigate]

what's your answer for "The team have to delay something because of unavoidable reasons. But this team have been told something trust us a few times before. How will you explain that with angry/upset/disappointing players and protect the trust"?

I believe it's a good question on the interview for a CM. Judd give me a good context.

[viral marsh]

You are, that's how the space have been. If they're released at the same time LE will have less players, it's a fact

[brittle hollow]

It’s a sad fact. But it’s a fact

[clever cedar]

you're literally not but OK we will agree to disagree.

[main frigate]

Plus, nothing exciting in spoilers of S4 🤔

[brittle hollow]

You are not technically forced to choose.. but most players are choosing

[jade flint]

Perhaps not forced but HEAVILY incentivised as the START of a season/league/cycle will always bring hype and people will have less incentive to start a league a week or two late.

[brittle hollow]

They gave us essentially the whole season theme

[spiral shoal]

so lets say all three of them release at the same time, does that magically make you have more time in the day to play all three? i think its really smart that EHG waits for the other seasons to be going on for like a month or more, as a lot of the player base is bored and looking for something new

[brittle hollow]

That’s probably because they’ve been burned twice by POE2

[clever cedar]

See I don't get that. If all you play is AARPGs all the time, let's say POE2 and LE both drop. You could play LE, play until you finish all content, and then move to POE2. I don't get that people get mad of "well I'll be missing out on the start of the season" like why is that a factor

[clever cedar]

I'm not saying it's not smart I'm just saying I hate that they think they have to abide it

[jade flint]

FOMO and not everyone only plays ARPGs and want to invest time into the one they did from start. People also do not like the feeling of "feeling behind" even though its big on solo gameplay, economy does skyrocket weeks in and it will be hard to catch up.

[woven sentinel]

I get your point but think of how big POE is to EHG. They probably didn't like fact it's a late release themselves but financially I can see why

[clever cedar]

Yeah

[stable forum]

the economy in POE, if you aren't playing SSF, will be awful if you start late

[clever cedar]

so then go play POE lol

[jade flint]

yeah thats the issue bro... I cant

[clever cedar]

like I said nobody puts a gun to your head to pick a game to play

[stable forum]

okay, but then I miss LE

[clever cedar]

what are you missing

like you guys will never convince me of this argument and that's fine. I get it.

[willow sentinel]

Mess a bit with squirrels and scorpion, than go play poe2 and other stuff while waiting for march

[jade flint]

Because of how ARPGs operate, people feel the need to "choose" a game if they release at the same time and a huge amount wont go to the other game they didn't choose weeks later. You literally made the argument here bro and you still deny it?

[woven sentinel]

Well with my crazy work schedule atm I can only play on weekends so I may just get them done before march haha (unless someone power levels me)

[viral marsh]

I hope spellblade will be better, right now triggering spells are hitting too low but also the flame reave build I played was really strong. Can't wait for it to get stronger

[clever cedar]

what argument is that? all I'm saying is no one forces you to pick a game at the same time at launch. FOMO is a dumb argument as to why EHG should spread out their seasons. They should drop when they feel they should. If they think that's to separate between POE then so be it.

I just pick one if they drop at the same time. I don't feel forced. I simply just choose the want I like more

then I go to poe2 when I'm bored of LE it's easy

[willow sentinel]

Please make Fire Aura good

[night marten]

no

[woven sentinel]

Guys Dual is kinda right at same time everyone else is correct. Dual is saying EHG shouldn't have to align there seasons after other ARPGs.

But at same time I see other people's arguments how releasing at same time would be a game killer.

It's one of those arguments no one is gonna win.

[viral marsh]

We'll at least have more reason to use those nodes! They gotta squish spellblade nodes together, you run out of points 😂

[stable forum]

yes, that happens too. I played like a few hours of 0.2 when it launched had zero fun and then played LE S2. On the flip side I only played a week of S3 because 0.3 came out. I will make those decisions because I have to. I and many other players would prefer to have a little more time with each, that's all.

[unique edge]

Why is this game becoming terrible? I'm sorry but I used to love this game but now that there's p2w classes I don't think I do anymore

[brittle hollow]

We will miss you dearly

[peak walrus]

p2w classes? I'm on my work laptop and can't see the full post. Can someone do a TLDR for me xD

[brittle hollow]

A year out (minimum) optional paid DLC classes will be a thing . That’s all we know

[simple bison]

There will be paid classes, everything else is free still

[viral marsh]

They talked about fire aura, also that gif. It will be meta whether you like it or not 🔥 \o/ 🔥

[night marten]

i refuse and you cant make me

[peak walrus]

ah so its not rly "P2W" but rather "P2P" .. depending how they do the balancing i guess

[balmy arrow]

🔥

[brittle hollow]

It’s… sure pay to play is probably better.. still optional though

[brittle patrol]

Glad to see more details on the upcoming updates. Thanks EHG. Wish I didn't have to wait until the end of March though 😛

[peak walrus]

for me LE is the best arpg in terms of character building & set building and everything around it. but idk why , i couldn't even finish last season 🙁 i hope they upgrade the "combat feel" a bit more.

[unique edge]

you understand that there's a ladder in the game? if paid classes end up being op and better (which ofc they will), that will heavily mess up with the integrity of the ranking

Anyways, what a terrible way to monetize your game guys.. good job ruining it

[brittle hollow]

I completely understand. Falconer will still be #1 and sentinel is well for lvl 100

But I don’t engage with the ladder lol

It also doesn’t provide anything in game so…

[willow sentinel]

Like 99.9% of the playerbase

[brittle hollow]

You don’t “win” anything

[unique edge]

you actually do

[willow sentinel]

Its probably the most cooked argument

[unique edge]

really? how about p2w is trash? how's that for an argument?

you're cooked bro

[willow sentinel]

P2W is bad sure but there is nothing to win here

[unique edge]

the whiteknights historically ruined every game I've ever played

[brittle hollow]

You are Cooked bro. Argument of the year

[willow sentinel]

Ladder dont mean anything

You dont get anything for being first

[brittle hollow]

Maybe it’s because you played the games that they were ruined…

[willow sentinel]

I am disappointed we will have to pay for extra classes

Dont get me wrong

[viral marsh]

Yeah I feel you, I think they really need to fix melee. Spellblade doesn't have that issue for example. Melee detonating arrow rogue is the best example of melee feeling meh, it has move movement skills and speed though which is the only good thing but ranged or other better AoE skills also have it, so it's nothing unique which is sad 😄

[willow sentinel]

But the "op p2w cause ladder" argument doesnt work

[unique edge]

you try so hard to invalidate every criticism or pointed out issues and blindly defend a stupid decision like that

[willow sentinel]

And also, you can compete in the class ladder

I dont invalidate anything

[unique edge]

you basically ruin games

[willow sentinel]

Sure buddy

[unique edge]

then stop whiteknighting

[long lichen]

Vlad killed Last Epoch

[jade flint]

"The only form of real money microtransactions Last Epoch will ever have are cosmetic"

"This one-time payment will be all that a player will have to spend to have the complete Last Epoch experience"

[willow sentinel]

Technically I am Void Knighting

[clever cedar]

I love poeple who say the game is "p2w" with the paid classes when they aren't even out yet lol

[night marten]

yes yes...everyone knows that they had to go back on something that was said 7 years ago to keep the company afloat

[willow sentinel]

That I am disappointed about

[unique edge]

so this is how it is now? we not gonna call things how they are?

fine

[clever cedar]

how what is? nothing has happened lmao

[peak walrus]

there's a difference in "P2W" & P2P" i'd say...

P2W -> balance the new classes so bad they are way to op and destroy any older class

P2P -> make the new class same in terms of power and you just have to pay to play it ..

let's hope htey dont intentionally make it OP the first few weeks to push purchases eh'

[clever cedar]

nobody forcing you to buy the classes bud

[copper sorrel]

Yooo, are we happy with the new roadmap?

[willow sentinel]

But p2w class when

1. there is nothing to win
2. classes arent even out yet
   is a bit light as an argument

[acoustic palm]

Do you think they will crack on some bugs?

[willow sentinel]

And on the otherside

[night marten]

eh. its fine. nothing really matters outside of how it is ingame

[willow sentinel]

You got people saying if the class is not op, they ehg is stealing people with a bad classs

[unique edge]

that's for you buddy... you THINK there's nothing to win, people disagree with you

if you're not in the competition, doesn't mean everyone else isn't

[willow sentinel]

Your name on the ladder matters that much ?

[night marten]

obv not. the are breeding bugs, not killing them

[unique edge]

yes?

[jade flint]

I mean it's not illegal, unfortunately, but it's just like Microsoft who changed their EULA to minecraft where Mojang promised you'd have Minecraft for life if you purchased it and Microsoft deleted that and you no longer "own" minecraft if you purchase it. It's same scummy behaviour.

[willow sentinel]

Ok

[unique edge]

ok

so what's the point of the ladder if my name in it didn't matter???

[acoustic palm]

With all due respect, the game has no content to worry about pay to winning, if they fix the bugs from the classes we have now, I don't mind if they add one more for money.

[copper sorrel]

Don't blame the highscore junkies 😉

[acoustic palm]

You can already delete uberoth under 30 secs, it can't get more 'winning' than that.

[willow sentinel]

I have to say I dont have anything back, because this is so foreign to me

But ok

I guess you can compete in class specific ladders

[unique edge]

that's a great idea

[copper sorrel]

What difference does that make for me playing minecraft?

[viral marsh]

"p2w" so you can find items for your other builds faster in a SSF game, MG already exists and that's already way better to get items for your build faster, and to kill uber abby faster.
Paradox classes imo won't change much

[night marten]

eh...the whole owning games thing is definately a bigger and different can of worms. EHG isnt taking your ownership away. intention matters a bit. you can be mad about the new monetization, everyone is (me included). but this isnt some oh we want more money cuz money good. its we need more money to keep our jobs

[jade flint]

Consumer rights

[willow sentinel]

Its a big difference though, between a "oral" promise and changing your terms and conditions

[night marten]

which is a very differnt topic than what LE did. lol

[ashen raptor]

Not pay to win unless they're the best options in class, and that remains to be seen. Personally, I hope that they are stronger than most options, because the seasonal mechanics to me would be best if the power rankings went something like

S: (nonpaid) classes of the month [s1 static orb sorc, s2 void knight, etc]
A: paid classes/the usual suspects (ballista falconer, spellblade)
B and downwards: everything else

[jade flint]

It could be seen as fraud since people pledging were promised something and if the company does something else instead it violates why and what people pledges their money for

[ashen raptor]

I don't want the paid classes to be best options, but I definitely want them to be powerful enough to be worth getting

[willow sentinel]

And again, class isnt even out yet
But you know what
If the class end up being op and top all the ladders (global one ofc) ping me
Ill be more than happy to light your torch and sharpen your pitchfork

[viral marsh]

It will also be in 2027, so far from happening

[willow sentinel]

Can you prove there was an intent to deceive the consumer ? Because thats what fraud is
I dont say its not, or it is

[ashen raptor]

I'm fairly certain that even in the most consumer friendly countries in the world, you would not be entitled to any relief, legally speaking

[willow sentinel]

I am just saying, can we prove it was intentionnal

[brittle hollow]

I want the paid classes to be exciting so if I want to buy them I will buy them. That’s all I am comfortable saying. And exciting doesn’t mean that it’s OP. Exciting means exciting. New, unseen, crazy, funky.

[green ore]

Don't underestimate EU consumer laws and class actions.

[ashen raptor]

I hate to be that guy, but that's not even necessarily the legal definition of fraud, believe it or not the legal definition of Fraud is going to vary country to Country XD

[clever cedar]

"You will own nothing and be happy"

waiting for the happy part to kick in

[jade flint]

Probably not, just saying it's not a good look, and nothing will happen to EHG by breaking kickstarter promises

[copper sorrel]

• Buddha, probably

[ashen raptor]

Not the angle I was going with, but personally I prefer when people point out my statements are either incorrect or not strictly correct in this case, so that I can either reevaluate my beliefs or strengthen my argument. In this case I would say strengthening the argument is a better take away

He's not definitely wrong, but what he said was at least imprecise

[viral marsh]

If they'll make really good MTX and gain a massive profit it's not impossible they'll scrap paradox classes being paid btw

[clever cedar]

I'm not gonna "get mad" at the paid classes until I see what they are and how much they change the game. Is it going to be another D4 Spiritborn situation? Maybe. But even if it is what am I gonna do? Stop playing? Nope.

[brittle hollow]

Well I mean.. spiritborn was OP the first season and then it got nerfed to the ground.

[clever cedar]

right but it was OP on launch that's the important part haha

[brittle hollow]

I bought the xpac and I played it because it was the only class I hadn’t played. And I didn’t like it even if it was OP

[clever cedar]

yeah it's alright. I'd much rather play the other classes

[brittle hollow]

Barb has been OP since day 1 lol. I don’t like Barb either lol

[clever cedar]

My hope is that the p2w classes do something the other classes aren't currently doing

[brittle hollow]

Yeah.. I just dont think it was intentional… wasn’t there a major scaling bug ? Thats what gets them all the time lol.

[brittle hollow]

This! I want them to be exciting so I can be bothered to be tempted to buy them

[clever cedar]

Oh I don't think so either but of course that's not what people on reddit think lol

[stable forum]

The problem, as many others have mentioned, is that just much better quality MTX still has a ceiling in LE because it's limited in scope. There are no stash tabs/hideouts/etc to also monetize. I don't want them to make things JUST to be able add MTX. Though I would take some kind of special unique tab, lol

[ashen raptor]

I would pay $10 for a code able "sort entire stash by:" feature

[viral marsh]

They want to work on hideouts for example but they're no where there yet but more than MTX is coming I'm sure. 🙂

I also really hope they understand that having a MTX for a skill that's really lacking or being bugged sucks and won't sell, they need to make money after all

[honest belfry]

Hey this isn't a bad idea. (not the $10 part) Would you mind dropping it into #suggestions so I can take it to the team? It'll show player interest more than me just presenting it

[brittle hollow]

EHG is not even listening to their own employees.. Game ded

[honest belfry]

Where did you get that idea from?

[brittle hollow]

(Trolling)

[honest belfry]

oh I see. My bad

[brittle hollow]

I was trolling 🤣

[cobalt fable]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-drug-cope-cope-harder-copium-drug-gif-5626027593128396368

[honest belfry]

Forgive me. I'm uncaffienated at the moment.

[clever cedar]

we really gonna cry about hypotheticals now lol

[night marten]

unacceptable

[honest belfry]

I know right! I should have coffee on tap by now

[ashen raptor]

gotcha

[acoustic palm]

Will EHG think about packages that give special titles on discord? I don't mind paying to speak with other paying people, a good monetisation imo

[viral marsh]

I would pay for Regex buttons to click rather than look up what and how it works to search my 70 stash tabs

[shut quiver]

Im sorry but who is benefiting from this monetisation tho

[acoustic palm]

paying people

[honest belfry]

I don't know. I wouldn't count on it though. The titles currently here are all Kickstarter backers. Having more would undercut that reward and add more confusion.

[shut quiver]

How

[acoustic palm]

You get to talk with people that care about the game enough to pay for it an extra buck

[shut quiver]

U're doing it now too tho. For free

[vital narwhal]

I’m honestly very surprised there hasn’t been any walkback on the paid classes. LE was the “different” one, and now there has been so much irreversible negative press and talk on socials about it. The ironic part is there is 0% chance that this decision makes them more money in the long run than having a loyal fanbase buying MTX.

[acoustic palm]

How? you have no idea if someone owns the game or not

[night marten]

personally i love going into random game discords and trolling without having the game, 100%

definately nothing better to do

[shut quiver]

I mean, if u're implying that someone would join a discord server without caring about the game, then i guess such ppl exist too. I just havent met them yet

[acoustic palm]

understandable

[thick lotus]

if something possible - that exists

[shut quiver]

Time travel is techinically possible, doesn't exist. Yet

[ashen raptor]

so arguably the most important part of my entire suggestion was a "confirmation pop up" part where if youre sorting selected tabs and accidentally fat fingered more tabs (or god forbid your entire stash) you get ample heads up, and if they go through with it anyway its entirely the players fault. whatever power you have within EHG, if ever there is something you make the higher ups pay attention to, let it be that lmao

[acoustic palm]

idk, seeing someone shilling 200 euro for a title in discord would make me think highly of them

[thick lotus]

you just dont know about that
known unknown

[acoustic palm]

"silence, a rich guy is talking"

[night marten]

i think the same thing when i see people with pristine lifted trucks that rev at stop lights

crazy

[acoustic palm]

lmao

Give the people that pay 200 euro the ability to mute someone for 10 minutes, once per day or something, enable the discord pvp

[honest belfry]

Sounds like a solid idea to me. I'll make sure to point it out during our review this week

[acoustic palm]

jokes aside, i would love a confirmation for nemesis as well

[main frigate]

well, the rich will not get the experience if zero poor here

[ashen raptor]

if they go to implement this without the confirmation pop up, its your job to hold the team leader hostage until they do. rooting for you!

[night marten]

if it fails just blame muffin

[honest belfry]

Toss it in #suggestions. I've got my team already looking at stuff

[copper sorrel]

That's really smart. Abuses the dumb rich people.

[honest belfry]

Your faith in me is overwhelming 🤣

[viral marsh]

Wick has their own team? Poggers

[carmine scroll]

I am still trying to figure out a smart solution to carry over your stash setup to the next season. Setting it up again all the time is, while not too big of a deal, kind of annoying

[honest belfry]

eh, I don't lead it. I'm just on it

[acoustic palm]

yeah, give the whales sometihng to buy

idk, 10k euro tickets to take a bath with your favorite mod, packages like that

i'm sure someone would buy it

[honest belfry]

That might be something we can either roll into Wendigo's suggestion but I have a feeling it would be more complicated. It's not an unreasonable request though

[night marten]

i still want a new voted community unique for the xpac

[obtuse bay]

copying it like lootfilter maybe but tabs will be blurry unless you spend gold and unlock them

[night marten]

bold to assume that much money would get me to take a bath

[ashen raptor]

if you program logic of the sort like a loot filter you SHOULD have a copy/pasteable code to work with actually

[acoustic palm]

Wash your mod for 10k euro package

[carmine scroll]

Exactly, a simple export string needs logic how it's a applied when a different stash situation is present, what if you export 20 tabs but only have 19 next season for example

[acoustic palm]

Sell tshirts with "I like complaining on discord" and LE logo in the background

I don't remember what singer did that, he sold 100k tshirts with "I hate [their name]"

[night marten]

the easiest thing in the world to sell is hate

[obtuse bay]

this is why drama is more popular than any genre

[carmine scroll]

Unless it figures out the missing amount of tabs and gives you a pop up that say "In order to apply this you need X more tabs for a total of (price) do you want to proceed?" and then it buys what's missing for you

[honest belfry]

I still haven't gotten back at you for the Vet Boots thing, so I'm saving this

[night marten]

you are welcome in advance

[honest belfry]

This is a good call out too.

[main frigate]

New marketing logic, thanks

[brittle hollow]

I mean the loyal fan base did not give them enough money so far

[opal sable]

Can we get a meta changing balance patch to spice things up a bit 🙏

[vital narwhal]

Is that the player’s fault? Make a better game > sell more copies > profit. 🧠 And MTX for profit works fine for so many games without interfering with the rest of the community that just wants to play the game. It’s such an odd choice to lock actual classes behind paywalls, and yes that includes D4 “expansions” etc as well.

[brittle hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[opal sable]

I just want a build focus around wandering spirits T.T

[night marten]

how do you feel about nerfs?

[opal sable]

meh, I just want unused skills buffed (wandering spirits please)

[night marten]

do you have a specific issue with wandering spitits now? like x node is bad cuz y?

[opal sable]

Could really used a unique for it

[night marten]

it has 3 specifically for it already

not counting all the generic ones that work with it

[tawny spire]

with the march release can we at least get stash tab discounts again for this massive season lol

[turbid silo]

Good day Travlers!

[tawny spire]

derrick!

near 7 month season - another long one - those of us who play a ton requesting charecter limit removal / stash tab huge discount again like launch brother

[heady night]

Good day to you too!

[red sparrow]

I have a question. It may sound harsh, but it's a real concern.

What was the point of "selling"the game (I know it may not be the right term) and getting a considerable injection of resources if the updates are still going to be so absurdly far apart? What would have changed if you hadn't had the resources from that sale?

[south moat]

Studio shutdown, I imagine

[brittle hollow]

And the injection of resources probably went to previous debt accumulated through years of development.. whatever that injection was

[night marten]

to get enough resources to hire and expand so they can stabilize and avoid the looming shutdown since LE has never been profitable

the long update cycle has a few reasons. but was addressed as well

[tawny spire]

a lot of people that have been crying in global chat in game do not even do supporter packs or cosmetics which was the model EHG was going for - they just want free updates and think the studio money grows on trees. They are doing there best with what is available. But when most of the community just wants everything handed to them - its a uphill battle

[turbid silo]

Haha, I've been seeing this. Make sure to put it in the #suggestions channel as we export those weekly.

[west grove]

It is too bad they decided to go with pay to win microtransactions instead of just making the expansion cost $20 or so. I get they need revenue, but I have never seen a pay to win model that isn't predatory.

[opal sable]

I mean... your really know what i mean, but sure. Just proves my point even more, having meh "safe" uniques is the same as not having anything at all

[night marten]

they actually answered this. they preffered having a optional class, than an expansion that split the playerbase

[west grove]

I agree that they addressed it, I just disagree with the reasoning. It seems like a greater issue to introduce a system that adds power for money.

[strange umbra]

Good morning Eterra ☕

[south moat]

Gm Muffin

[west grove]

good morning!

[night marten]

no, i dont. which is why i am asking questions. you said you wanted an unused skill buffed. and a unique for wandering spirits. which exist.

[opal sable]

i said i wanted a build focus around it

[south moat]

Turns out
People can't read your mind

[night marten]

balancing the class will be a contentious point, for sure. either its 'weak' and no one buys it, or its 'strong' and people pitchfork pay for power. even if it does manage to be balanced with the other 5 classes, perception will be one of those two

[opal sable]

I want my main skill to be wandering spirit

[night marten]

which you can make with the three uniques that are in the game?

[opal sable]

lol can you?

[tawny spire]

Morning muffin - who do I cry to for some QOL with the super long season lol

[night marten]

yes you can wear a ring, offhand, and relic and play wandering spirits

[west grove]

Yeah, it just seems like they are putting themselves in a no win situation. It is one of my favorite games, and I would love for it to succeed, but this decision doesn't give a good path forward.

[opal sable]

ok

[tawny spire]

Yea there is not many of us playing - like religiously like usual, would be nice for the loyal ones - AND YES we all buy the supporter packs derrick lol

[night marten]

https://discordapp.com/channels/368953963267096586/414295382625878037/1447991823120465960 probly the place you were already told lol

[night marten]

i agree it is a no win situation with the class. hopefully s4 and s5 are bangers to build that trust back up

[west grove]

hopefully!

[tawny spire]

I never do it right hawkman it always tells me to get out of channel hahaha

[mortal tinsel]

No offense but the game has been in a no-win State for the last three times they declared bankruptcy

[tawny spire]

I mean if you read it though, its basically a beta class - could suck or be OP no one knows

[night marten]

correct, no one knows

[mortal tinsel]

At least we have offline play from the bat and that is the main promise to the community at this point

[night marten]

but a lot of people still have a strong opinion about the unknown

and both sides think they are right

[mortal tinsel]

I definitely wouldn't mind a Torchlight infinite perspective where it is paid for the first season that it is out and then it's released public next season when the next new thing comes in rotation

[night marten]

yeah but i wouldnt expect a class that often from LE

[tawny spire]

did you know most of those people do not even do supporter packs? So to me - they just want shit for free and not support - they can stick it way up there.

[green ore]

I believe a lot of people have problem with the implementation of the unknown, rather than the unknown's in-game performance (though there are those who are vocal about that too, based on past experience)

[night marten]

oh. you have everyone's purchase history handy?

[mortal tinsel]

No but I have yours

[tawny spire]

I simply ask when someone starts crying in global

[mortal tinsel]

It's literally on your profile on the website lol

[night marten]

stalker 😛

[mortal tinsel]

To be honest I think the tucan might have made half of the money of the original release

That tucan by itself carry the entire last season is why they didn't completely explode

[tawny spire]

I mean diablo charged for a new class JUST SAYIN

[west grove]

The pets have been pretty solid

lol true, their expansion was pretty much just the new class

[tawny spire]

I would pay 50 bucks for a pet that picks up my dman gold on the ground lol

[mortal tinsel]

Double did not charge for a new class Diablo charge for Pay to Win class in an entire half of the goddamn map and exclusive access to new end game items and dailys amd d o u b b l e event rewards it was completely different

[night marten]

yeah but i dont think anyone wants diablo monetization here. lol. but also that company has plenty of player base and tons of history (good or bad). they arent trying to make a name for themselves like EHG

[tawny spire]

see people keep calling it a pay 2 win class ----- but what are you winning at? Who are you competing with? What is there to win when there is no compitiion

[mortal tinsel]

Either way we have the option to play offline in Le and that's good enough in my book it is good as a single player game and solo self found anyways who the hell is actually trading with players

[tawny spire]

the whole p2w thing is what I do not get, there is NOTHING to win

its pay to play

[mortal tinsel]

My bad I keep thinking of last epoch and Path of Exile where there is a ladder and rewards for XP and boss kills

[west grove]

paying for power is a rough way to go. I am happy to pay for an expansion pack or for cosmetics, but this is not a direction that feels right

[tawny spire]

but power is an assumption - it could suck

[willow sentinel]

Being first in the ladder is winning, for some people

[west grove]

what is next after the class? you have to buy crystals to reup your play time of it?

[tawny spire]

what ladder?

[willow sentinel]

Well we have arena and lvl 100 no?

Idk cause I don't give a spook, but some people do apparently

[night marten]

some people think its important, others dont.

[tawny spire]

vlad how many rounds of that arena can you sit through before you want to pull your eyes out lol

[willow sentinel]

Me, personally? 1

[tawny spire]

same

[west grove]

lol same

[tawny spire]

and there is ladder based on class filter hell some dude did 3,000 waves? how many hours is that? PASS

[willow sentinel]

Never the less, it's in the game and it allows you to compare you ~~e-pen... ~~, your build with other and determine a winner

[west grove]

still if people like it let them do 3000 waves

[wide seal]

Why paragon classes weren't mentioned in the latest roadmap?

[tawny spire]

lol vlad the ladder system we have right now is how much does your diaper hold - I do not even see our current ladder system as any kind of compitiion at all

and again - they can filter by class and groups etc - I am more mad that the nature golem skin should of been for the spriggan and not the golem. And we cannot buy a pet to pickup gold / crafting mats

[main frigate]

show the positive, hide the neagtive

[wide seal]

Oof, hope that wasn't the motive but can't imagine something different. 🫠

[tawny spire]

give them something to actually cry about with a $40 pet mechanic that picks that stuff up

[willow sentinel]

Cooked take as usual

[willow sentinel]

Because there isn't anything more to say is my guess

[tawny spire]

lol if I admit to hacking can I get a pardon XD

I AM CRYING IN TEARS

[acoustic palm]

😄

[wide seal]

But it is a feature that will release with the expansion, correct? It's an important feature, it should be mentioned (even if it's paid, that's not what under discussion).

[main frigate]

cooked take?

[acoustic palm]

it was like 5 years ago, okay okay, i was younger and innocent

[tawny spire]

omfg I am laughing so damn hard holy shit lololol

[acoustic palm]

the game was lonely and unprotected

:kek

I expect police to my door tomorrow

[willow sentinel]

I do agree that writing 1 line about it should have been done
Like : as announced before they will be coming with extension

[wide seal]

We are mentioning stuff like New Animations or Audio Overhaul in the Roadmap, but not Paragon Classes which is something way more important? Looks very confusing to me.

[acoustic palm]

I deleted it since I was a coward

[acoustic palm]

@tawny spire thank you for ruining my only chance of cleaning my past

[tawny spire]

why bring it up if you never got caught?!

[inner finch]

Paradox, its Paradox

[tawny spire]

dude I am laughing so hard - you deleted it - its gone - why bring it up

[wide seal]

sorry xD

[acoustic palm]

why not, i wanna claim the account name kekw

[inner finch]

I doubt Paradox classes and the mechanics behind them are more than a proof of idea at this point

[exotic solar]

are they just adding 1.5 skills to rogue and calling it off?

[tawny spire]

OHHHHH so this is a selfish reason to come forward, not actually make ammends

[whole dust]

are you paid for this whiteknight job?

[acoustic palm]

come on man, its christmas month, where is your good will

[tawny spire]

No but if you ask @night marten I have been muted and banned multiple times for being VERY vocal for people being stupid?

[acoustic palm]

damn, can you get banned for being toxic, why

[night marten]

assume there just isnt info on them, they are coming with or after the xpac, so, still tons of time between now and then

[acoustic palm]

like wheres the fun in that

[whole dust]

or maybe you have been wrong?

[wide seal]

Still, we don't need the details, if it's going to be released with the expasion, it should have a line in the roadmap mentioning it. That's all i was thinking while reading through it.

[tawny spire]

You just called me a white knight for my opinion on something - how is that a white knight - that is me having an issue with people whining and crying over something dumb. Its a pay to play class - it could suck it could be good - get the F over it

[inner finch]

When they will be closer to being ready, im sure we'll hear more about Paradox classes. For now, it doesnt look like we're gonna be close to it anywhere in 2026

[wide seal]

Well according to the latest blog post regarding Paradox Classes they are said to debut with the expasion. If that changed, it would also be good to be announced with the roadmap to bring transparency.

[night marten]

i mean, its 2 new skill trees. though the idea of one is stolen from UB currently. and than ob UB would need some work too. its more like 2.5 skills than 1.5

[whole dust]

in history of gaming, paid classes were never bad 😄 always op so people buy it...stop being so naive

[tawny spire]

I have also been critical of the devs as well with poor decisions - This is NOT ONE

[acoustic palm]

you know chat is good when "several people are typping"

[tawny spire]

Only warning - do not rage bait me ever.

[acoustic palm]

i could see the new class being bugged as in tradition, so pay2bug

[whole dust]

why not? you seem to be very easy to trigger

[exotic solar]

Thats why i called it 1.5. We already have half of 1. If they just add skills to rogue and not touch passives/dodge/glancing i am gonna be hater.

[tawny spire]

@night marten I need a time out please couple hours before I lose it ty

[acoustic palm]

also, i think LE is too generous with their game version increments, 1.5 would mean that the game changed a lot from the original, we are closer to 1.15 if anything

[night marten]

ok yeah it does say along side. though that wording is a little vague. i'd still bet they dont have much done if anything. likely just rough concepts

[acoustic palm]

can I paypal any mod 5 euro to post a picture in general for me

[night marten]

you can pay me whatever you want but im not gonna do it

[tawny spire]

Pathetic you get your rocks off trying to trigger people, it is people like you that make chats like this toxic.

[acoustic palm]

can i send you the picture so you can visually analyze it

[willow sentinel]

If I say ill do it and then ask for more money again, is that fraud?

[acoustic palm]

its skill issue from my end kekw

[willow sentinel]

So are paid classes then 😏😏

[tawny spire]

nope - just keep it going so you can sharpen your picture

[acoustic palm]

#📚┃off-topic message here is your 5 euro

[night marten]

you really dont want another time out. control yourself by yourself

[south moat]

You can send me 5€ for no extra benefits

[acoustic palm]

[muted cape]

paid class going to be like rocky road icecream but ill still prefer plain chocolate

[acoustic palm]

paid class is so far away that right now is not even worth to think about it

we will get that somewhere in 2027

[willow sentinel]

All hail the capybara

[night marten]

yeah, i am much more focused on s4 and hoping its really good.

[strange umbra]

PRAISE BE

[acoustic palm]

PRAISE

[night marten]

if its not good, might not make it to the paid classes

[willow sentinel]

Capy-chan UwU

[muted cape]

Didn't realize you were raising em now

[acoustic palm]

capybara mtx was the best thing LE ever did and it was all downhill from there

[tawny spire]

Server rule #2 - can we get a lid on the damn rage baiters then?

[south moat]

Friend's daughter has like 8 capybara plushies

[acoustic palm]

I have a capybara plushie already under the christmas tree

[willow sentinel]

I 'need a capybara costume

[willow sentinel]

I don't, but I got 2 rats

[inner finch]

Capybaras are cute, theyre not Hyrax, but still

[acoustic palm]

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcTkEXhcQgEpf1tsPPqZn0jgyKbQqacM997iWNRZGiIDsaEKulKJjhFaQrQ2TTWZ48l0s74UnpWZ_TEVuZjZiVLtfNosdJ7JR9-t_7NRweNnj2jqLm4aYwfAhw this is the capybara plushie i bought

[willow sentinel]

And a sausage dog

[strange umbra]

Ive got 2 chihuahuas lol

[inner finch]

You got a Dachshund?

[south moat]

Neighbor had one
The poor thing had breathing problems and you could hear this kinda like snoring sound when he breathed

[west grove]

We have a kitty. Delivered by the official cat distribution system

[south moat]

Praise the cat distribution system

[acoustic palm]

alright gents, i'm going to take a nap

it was nice dooming and baiting with you ❤️

[south moat]

rest well
Sweet dreams of doom

[strange umbra]

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

[west grove]

Doomity doom doom doom

[acoustic palm]

but yeah, i touched a capybara ir

[south moat]

Was it tasty?

Sorry, what a weird thing to ask

[acoustic palm]

i don't want to talk to you anymore

[main frigate]

wow they must cute

[strange umbra]

lmao

[willow sentinel]

Indeed

[scenic fog]

Good afternoon everyone :)

[inner finch]

I love these dogs they are so silly

[scenic fog]

Exciting news about LE

[west grove]

aww super cute!

[south moat]

in Finnish daschunds are sometimes called "battlesausage" as a nickname for them

[scenic fog]

hears "dog song" from Undertale in her head

[willow sentinel]

I'll yoink that

[south moat]

Also their official name "mäyräkoira" (directly translated is badgerdog) is also what ppl call a 12case of beer bottles

[willow sentinel]

I love it

[south moat]

The chef at one of my old schools had 2 of them

ofc she never took them to the school but she lived in the building next to the school and a friend lived there too so I saw them every now and then

[obtuse bay]

so cute

[main frigate]

Boring news about le I think

[strange umbra]

my little bros ❤️

mid-blep

lol

[obtuse bay]

left one is sleepy haha

[strange umbra]

ya he is lol

[heady night]

I just realized hype week wont be until march...

https://tenor.com/view/nub-cat-nub-silly-cat-depression-depressed-gif-5883714320658611738

[viral marsh]

6 days more and it's april 👀

[low cradle]

Hey muffin still hangs with the community.

[strange umbra]

[low cradle]

What's good. The dogs seem to be dogging but is the muffin pogging?

Still developing that backend? Can't wait to see your fitness journey progress after this long developing backend.

[main quiver]

What? Why is the new season coming in March? xD isn't that like 7 months or so after season 3? Didn't they say they would shorten the time between seasons, but now they're making it even longer? What happened

[gritty helm]

Because season 3 wasn't well recieved for obvious reasons, so they want it to make it closer to season 2 which takes extra time

[willow canopy]

starts playing last epoch again out of spite!

[low cradle]

i think this is interesting.

[gritty helm]

on the bright side, well there is a chance some seasons down the line might come out faster

[low cradle]

What brought me back was the willingness to try again with spellblade.

[main frigate]

hah I remember where have I read "minimum" amount of content finally

[low cradle]

Hard to admit the direction you pushed a class was just bad.

or at least wasn't enough

[scenic fog]

Honestly the "when its ready" approach EHG has reminds me of the good times when Blizzard wasn't horrible. I feel like it's 1998 again.

[main frigate]

EHG have been delayed S2 for extra 5 months, why they didn't build enough tools to support S4's update?

[gritty helm]

I think it's because the s2 delay was thanks to unity engine update.

[main quiver]

Ah well I'll be here in March, just a long wait xD

[low cradle]

This is concerning but poe also used to have non leagues between leagues back in the day. They just weren't overt about it.

Talisman anyone?

[gritty helm]

there was the message somewhere above that they are not doing events, because imperial uprising wasn't well recieved either

[brittle hollow]

I’m pretty sure the announcement and the post by Kain means that they could release a haphazard season earlier than March’. They choose not to.

[main frigate]

🤷‍♀️ I want the expansion only

[night marten]

they were hesitent to do mid season resets. not events as a whole

kain very clearly hinted at events coming at some level

[brittle hollow]

An event would be nice

I don’t want to do POE2 and D4 will last until mid January provably

[gritty helm]

ah, you are right mb

[low cradle]

also spellblade hype. Node that basically reads "No reason to not cast." and another saying "Why would you ever not melee."

already going in a way better direction than the other two updates its gotten

[obtuse bay]

bingo cards should come back!!

[gritty helm]

I want to try the spellblade, but I might roll the rogue yet again

[main frigate]

No idea when will EHG fix their burning daggers

[low cradle]

I'm curious because spellblade is going to be mostly new nodes/number tweeks to make it do tis job better

if rogue will get some skill reworks

[main frigate]

Add a new rogue skill don't change the fact of burning daggers is bad on mana sustain and poor scopes of scales

[strange umbra]

[gritty helm]

Oh I'm aware. I'm just for some reason easily swayed with the shadows and the blades gimmick of melee rogue

[strange umbra]

actually recently promoted to a new role 🙂

[gritty helm]

nice

[low cradle]

What's the new role?

[strange umbra]

#💬┃general message

[main frigate]

#💬┃general message

[low cradle]

Ahhh

[strange umbra]

🙂

[low cradle]

You went from working the back end to king of the back end.

Lets go muffin.

[strange umbra]

lmao

[honest belfry]

I know the Muffin man. I know not the Muffin King for I am but a lowly peasant of a far off land

[strange umbra]

lmao

time for a new muffin emoji

[honest belfry]

(what have i done?)

[south moat]

But do you know McMuffin
Heard he's got a mean punch

[strange umbra]

hes the cousin we dont talk about

[zinc blaze]

new season just means new tools to make anomaly a main damage skill

[regal yoke]

Just saw the new unique teased, I can be the burning tree man I've always wanted to be

[zinc blaze]

you laugh but once I firgure out how to make the cooldown lower than 6 seconds its gonna go crazy

[regal yoke]

Maybe some corruption mechanics will enable it

Have we seen any examples of what corruption can do to an item?

[zinc blaze]

I dont think so

[regal yoke]

Its 'Oops all corruption!' week as they announced this and poe 2 is doing the atziri league lol

fun mechanic, if not infuriating sometimes

[halcyon sable]

hello, date new season already posted?

when?

im need kill monsters, where my new season)))

[thick lotus]

[inner finch]

Are you sitting?

March 26th

Happy holidays

(that includes Easter)

[halcyon sable]

what? next year?????

4 mount????

[inner finch]

i take it back, Easter is in April

So yeah

[inner finch]

Only thing i wished for is some sort of a minor event / refreshener in the current season

just something to spark interest

[halcyon sable]

1 season = 1 year, nice strategy (((

[night marten]

EHG is in a weird spot with those. cuz the imperial uprising event/reset was met with a buncha pitchforks. but that being said kain heavily hinted that other events are coming and being worked on

[night marten]

7 months does not equal a year

[shell wadi]

The distances between the seasons are a joke. Much too long and for the time between the seasons the content is far too little.

[night marten]

they are trying to address the size

[obtuse bay]

it's better than having buggy unfinished season tbh

and they have different teams for different seasons and expansions + recruiting new members

If everything goes well, big chance for quicker seasons after season 4

[inner finch]

Luckily for EHG, there's a new Bop Shoebee Do animation

So the community can rely on that one

[obtuse bay]

vibing

[heady night]

I would love to work for EHG i just dont know how to code =[

[south moat]

oh shit, new one?

[obtuse bay]

I think it's reuploded KEKW read some comments

[inner finch]

yeah

is it a reupload?

[south moat]

Read some youtube comments?
oh please

[obtuse bay]

“Way back in 2022” 😭

[lunar obsidian]

there's no way we can keep coping with this an excuse. EHG dropped the ball and there's likely no coming back from any of this

[obtuse bay]

you don't need to cope If you forget to cope

[brittle hollow]

I can’t believe what I just learnt.. I was away for so long and now EHG is sold and they have paid classes? Shame. They were the ones that promised one time payment. I’m uninstalling game

[viral marsh]

Paradox classes is like in 2027

[foggy vale]

what they had is called mismanagement, shouldnt have released the game when they did

and should have planned a paid expansion form start

LE is fun and has alotta content for average gamer, for all the live service arpg nerds, its not enough

aaaaa so you pirated

[brittle hollow]

Yeah… that’s.. that’s not something you want to advertise buddy..

[foggy vale]

good way to show support and now you see why they chose krafton

[brittle hollow]

I can’t wait that long, they sold out le ded. Also doesn’t matter, p2w is not what they promised.

[foggy vale]

like i said, mismanagement, not a clear direction, shouldnt have been released as 1.0

have you heard of a job?

or you spend your entire life playing pirated games

no your just bragging about pirating a game

im perfectly happy with their announcement and game as is xD

[brittle hollow]

You are probably Mr soon to be banned because you are advertising pirating…

[foggy vale]

@strange umbra dude literraly bragging about pirating your game xD

[inner finch]

The odd part is that this user hasnt been gone, he has been pretty active here lately

i was expecting the /s of sarcasm to appear at the end

[foggy vale]

no your just actively gas lighting and being a nuasance

[fathom barn]

existential question guys: just started a new playthrough and i'm not dropping any potions at all in the entire act1, what am i missing?

[viral marsh]

Wear a belt?
Barely drops if you have full potions on you

[main frigate]

If someone post their suggestion, do the condition of bringing EHG to think about them is give EHG reasons about why they want that?

[shell wadi]

I am of the opinion that the EHG once said that you only have to buy the game and there are no further costs for the players. And now you have to pay for more characters.

[brittle hollow]

You don’t have to. Nobody is forcing you.. and it’s a year away

[shell wadi]

I have no problem paying money for a good dlc. But buying character is bullshit

[fathom barn]

lol, just realized i don't wear any belt, that might be why

[foggy vale]

because they made a post in march saying their initial model failed

[brittle hollow]

Also keeps your pants from falling down

[foggy vale]

can't follow initial direction when theres no money left to pay developers to go that direction

like I always say, game shouldnt have been released in 1.0, shoulda been early access, or planned expansion from start, and higher ups at EHG sadly made a mistake, and they were upfront and honest with their entire community about their mistake, not many companies do that in this space

so I back them, and future endaevors

have no problem waiting, especially with a clearer plan and direction

if paid characters are truly P2W and "you need them" to have an optimal experience in endgame and online play, then that will be nail in coffin

[inner finch]

1.0 release push also had financial reasons behind it

There is a reality where LE would have never make it out

[foggy vale]

because their intitial plan, didn't work, clear mismanagement

1.0 was pushed because they needed the money to continue, poor decisions from higher ups, which they were upfront and honest about

we all paid for 1.0 and that game, your not paying a monthly sub

[inner finch]

Their higher ups back then were Mike and Judd

[foggy vale]

you paid $60 or whatever for that release, and are mad, that your not getting more content, more content costs, way the world works

[shell wadi]

You have to honestly say the skins don't look pretty. You can't really see it when playing whether you use a skin or normal gear. Of course, it's unnecessary to buy such packs.

[inner finch]

LE was never a 60 dollar game

[foggy vale]

we all paid for that 1.0 release, if you didn't, its because game didn't catch your eye for whatever reason

[inner finch]

People putting EHG to the same standards as well funded X2-4 times experience and time in the market teams was up to the people, partially

Partially, EHG promised the sun and the moon and had to back track

[zinc blaze]

reject everything else, embrace 18k life void knight build

[inner finch]

again, and again, and again, and again and again

And come back to me, not as a hater, but as a realist, when the current roadmap will also have to go through some tough reality checks

[brittle hollow]

Probably not for s4

[inner finch]

Reading all the bullet points of the Orobyss expansion my very first reaction was instinctively "oh no, there are some huge promises here I dont think EHG can keep, not in time"

[brittle hollow]

Yeah that’s why I’m saying s4, should be good

[shell wadi]

You can turn it as you want. EHG missed the train. Too long waiting times between seasons. Too little new content when a new season came and not what motivates you to play for a long time. And buying with the classes will also make many players not play anymore.

[brittle hollow]

Xpac is different but it’s a year away and they are aggressively hiring. If they have a dedicated team in that it’d possible to deliver

[inner finch]

There is a glass half full to the situation. Currently EHG is much more experienced, much more in control of their product, and heavily works on recruiting and onboarding new members.

[foggy vale]

EHG said they would continue support after a 1.0 release with cycles/seasons, never gave a timeframe, also said they wouldn't do paid expansions, were then upfront and honest that they made mistake with their planned model and ran out of money, instead of killing game there, they sought investors, which they were upfront and honest about, and are now staying fateful to 1/2 of their original promises, continued ingame content for free, content to do that on tho, not free

[brittle hollow]

And they don’t have to pay or play.

[foggy vale]

They already have their player base and thats the people that bought the game not the vision or live service model

i bought last epoch cause I wanted something inbetween diablo 4 and poe2 seasons, and it was offline, then I learned they did seasonal content after purchase

hearing initial promises of company I can see why people would be upset, but they legit told the community, they communicated with us and were upfront, as to why they couldn't commit to that original vision, they continue communication aswell, they are trying there best to get themselves out of this mess, I support

[inner finch]

The intentions to do seasons existed years before 1.0 ever did, and it was one of the sale points

[foggy vale]

and guess what, majority of people that bought this game on 1.0, weren't buying into continued seasons, they were buying a game to play

[inner finch]

LE had development dramas before, in current times, and maybe in the future. By EHG's standards up to 1.0, the 1.0 patch was a technical miracle

[foggy vale]

so they did mislead their community, and were upfront in doing so

their not trying to mislead people

we all make mistakes

their initial plan failed, so they informed us on the new direction they had to take

it aint a rugpull, its not scummy behaviour, its an original vision failing

that happens alot with many different sectors not just the online gaming space

then shareholders get mad stocks drop

just to recover in a year

[inner finch]

EHG has never promised us anything with ill intent, i believe

[foggy vale]

exactly

thats what im trying yo get across

[royal sapphire]

But do you learn from your mistakes? EHG clearly does not. Took them 2 years to come out with "guys why no1 is buying our mtx" and the result from that was "give us feedback" - 1 month ago

[foggy vale]

they did make statements they shouldnt have made

they were too ambitious on release

what do you mean clearly does not

[crisp sandal]

Are they not around anymore

[inner finch]

Well, they are

[foggy vale]

they addressed that mistake in October 2025, took them a year and half to realize their intial model isnt working

you dont see these things instantly

so they looked at numbers for the first year, and numbers for 2025, did the calculations, and were upfront and honest with us

are now taking the time to fix the game aka next season being frikkn march 2026

im glad their taking this route

and not making us pay a dime, unless we want a new experience aka new classes

still get to experience the seasonal events, all new in game events, bosses, enemies, just gotta pay to switch styles

[brittle hollow]

Which can be mitigated by making other builds more viable to endgame as well

[foggy vale]

like a good thing to compare this to is warhammer40k darktide and vermintide

you pay for the base game

then more playstyles as game progresses

all new classes are paid

dont need to buy them to enjoy core game

[calm jay]

I think it's just reality that they need to make money and that their ingame shop has not done it, so I'm fine with this. I can buy classes I want and swerve on ones I don't want, easy as.

[foggy vale]

exactly, people taking this too personal

[ornate vine]

don't see them selling enough classes for it to be sustainable but we'll see

[calm jay]

They have options like releasing in packs, a subscription that gets you classes as they release, they can make them turn free as they get more releases.

[foggy vale]

thats my fear

[calm jay]

They can play with the system to draw engagement to it.

But yeah the economy of all of this is worrisome, I still stand by that a dive into making the ingame shop more compelling would be a good priority to have

The issue is I just don't really have any good comparisons to make besides how PoE sells stash stuff and I don't really want to see us stray from our beautifully flexible and forgiving stash system here.

[foggy vale]

regardless of it fails or not, most companies would have made the decision to kill the game right there, march they said they werent

so im glad their gonna try something and we'll atleast have 2 more seaons of content + 2 final acts and a proper conclusion to game

so if model does fail? we have a finished game

what their banking on is the PS5 release and shade of orobyss

if it attracts enough PS5 users that good revenue

if its not enough revenue, they kill it there

but we have a finished product

[ornate vine]

don't need to sell stash space, most of the money POE makes isn't from stash space. The box price of LE and the mandatory tabs in POE equal out approximately. the mtx itself definitely needs a lot of work, many mishaps like meta skills having no skill mtx have been made for instance.

But beyond that, people need a reason to want to support the game. Many people see the cosmetics as a bonus in POE, but they want to fund what they see as good development across 1 or even 2 games. LE has had too many misses to create a sizable playerbase that wants to do that.

this krafton money and "expertise" needs to start paying out as the first season with their control taking 7 months isn't a good look

[foggy vale]

finished road map only has up to shade of orobyss for a reason, not giving us false promises

[foggy vale]

thats why their banking on PS5 release, want a new playerbase

OG playerbase will be sour, new players wont see an issue

[ornate vine]

Think they'll struggle. People expect a lot more polish with a console release and it will be hard to compete against D4 and POE 2. they would have to improve the game so much its barely recognisable as it is now

[foggy vale]

oh they'll defintley struggle

hence why their banking on shade of orobyss, new pinnacle bosses 2 new acts + conclusion and skill sigils + many skill reworks and minor/major balance tweaks

when shade of orobyss rolls around they'll have trailers and marketting specifically highlighting available now on PS5

they are banking on shade of orobyss

if it dont pan out, we are still left with a finished game, and paid classes will probably be scrapped

[south moat]

über maid orobyss

[foggy vale]

like console playerbase is much smaller then pc, but it should be enough revenue to fund this endeavor, if not, there goes seasons, atleast we get a finished product

[wet heron]

How’s the road map looking?

[zinc blaze]

cool

[wet heron]

I think I heard it’s pretty underwhelming waiting 6 months for content and the content in isn’t that game changing or grande

[night marten]

Looks like words. You can read them yourself in #news

No one knows how game changing or big it is based of the last post

[zinc blaze]

if the corrupts can go crazy thats game changing + extends the whole gear getting loop

the chained echos is also nice, I hope they turn more into mini stories

the harby + boss fight thing is neat too

[night marten]

Idk why we are still treating teaser posts as everything we are getting

[zinc blaze]

yea

spellblade rework/update is gonna be fun too

I hope spellblade gets a regalia and isn't still stuck with the crit avoid base as the general best

also hoping theres a new way I can shorten anomaly's cooldown, main skill damage anomaly shall rise

[viral marsh]

A regalia, you mean a body armor?

[zinc blaze]

yeah all /most of the end game bases have regalia in their name, like champions regalia

[viral marsh]

Ah I see

[zinc blaze]

spellblade gets pranked in this regard cause mage has 3 regalias, one for mana spent to ward, spell damage, and an increased mana one

[wet heron]

Man you’re smart aren’t you lol. Cranky lol

[zinc blaze]

none of which are great for current spellblade, tho the spell damage one would be good on the new design for triggered spell spellblade

*primalist is the class that doesn't have it called a regalia

[nimble topaz]

march? O_o

you are under drugs

[vapid temple]

I had major surgery and missed a lot apparently, why all of a sudden is Last Epoch getting negative reviews? what happened ?

[livid prairie]

was bought out buy krafton and now they're pretending LE wasn't making anymore money so they can add more and more DLC

[zinc blaze]

announced a paid dlc class that comes out in a year

[short vessel]

Where would they have been making more money from? Like i understand not liking the way things have gona but i don't see a reason to believe they're lying about that

[west grove]

hope your surgery went well!

[short vessel]

Initial purchases would have petered out and the mtx wasn't stellar so claiming they'd be earning off that doesn't seem reasonable