installation-archived

[soft lynx]

Jun 09 12:13:56 homeassistant systemd[1]: docker.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT
Jun 09 12:13:56 homeassistant systemd[1]: docker.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
Jun 09 12:13:56 homeassistant systemd[1]: Failed to start Docker Application Container Engine.
Jun 09 12:13:56 homeassistant systemd[1]: Dependency failed for HassOS supervisor.
Jun 09 12:13:56 homeassistant systemd[1]: hassos-supervisor.service: Job hassos-supervisor.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
Jun 09 12:13:56 homeassistant systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Dropbear SSH daemon.
Jun 09 12:13:56 homeassistant systemd[1]: dropbear.service: Job dropbear.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.

[crude inlet]

Make a new VM. Restore a backup

[soft lynx]

Backup of Home Assistant ?

Because i don't have backups of virtual machine in VMware Workstation

[crude inlet]

Yes, backups of your config.

[soft lynx]

yeah that one I have

How could I get to the CLI of existing VM that is endlessly booting?

[crude inlet]

How big is your virtual disk image when it isn't running?

You might be able to mount it and poke around in it, but creating a new VM and restoring a backup will take less time.

I'm assuming the your backup isn't only existing on the virtual machine though

[soft lynx]

it's 30.6 GB

[soft lynx]

I mounted the a copy of .vmdk file of virtual machine, on a Debian 11 virtual machine. What should I be looking for on the filesystem?

I read the boot logs with journalctl utility

What else I can do?

[soft lynx]

They are on the VM and on a network share to external hard drive

I would like to prevent Docker failure to reboot the whole Home Assistant OS virtual machine

Or perhaps pass options to GRUB to boot virtual machine in other runlevel than the one with Docker service in it

[raw hedge]

vmware?

see your vm software vendor docs on how to add existing disks?

[soft lynx]

You mean on adding the virtual machine .vmdk file to another VM, then mounting it and changing something on the HA OS file systems ?

Already done that

root@debian:/mnt/etc/grub.d# lsblk
NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
sda 8:0 0 5G 0 disk
├─sda1 8:1 0 4G 0 part /
├─sda2 8:2 0 1K 0 part
└─sda5 8:5 0 975M 0 part [SWAP]
sdb 8:16 0 32G 0 disk
├─sdb1 8:17 0 32M 0 part
├─sdb2 8:18 0 24M 0 part
├─sdb3 8:19 0 256M 0 part
├─sdb4 8:20 0 24M 0 part
├─sdb5 8:21 0 256M 0 part /mnt
├─sdb6 8:22 0 8M 0 part
├─sdb7 8:23 0 96M 0 part
└─sdb8 8:24 0 31.3G 0 part

/dev/sdb device is the disk of HA OS virtual machine attached to a Debian VM where I can mount its filesystem

I could use journalctl utility and get the last failed endless boot logs

I know why HA OS is rebooting after Docker service fails to start

root@debian:~# mount | grep sdb
/dev/sdb3 on /mnt type squashfs (ro,relatime)

root@debian:~# cat /mnt/etc/systemd/system/docker.service.d/failure.conf
[Unit]
FailureAction=reboot

However I can't change the FailureAction to none as the filesystem is read-only

squashfs

[raw hedge]

backup

reinstall

restore

[crude inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/time-is-it-looking-time-is-money-gif-15818521

[soft lynx]

Thanks

I started the restore process

How much time that would take?

There is no progress bar or smth similar

[sturdy frost]

Hi guys I am running HA OS in Rpi4 4GB. It was running all well. But suddenly I dont know if the recent version update caused it or not, bu my memory usage spiked after restarting or running the RPi4 for some time and it shoots to around 60% usage. The log book feels sluggish, and the whole HA stop responding after sometime. But there is no exact interval on when it caused. How can I find the cause for this? Is there any tool that finds out what is using the memory?

[sacred surge]

I am running HA core on my unraid server. I have installed some docker containers but how do I add them into home assistant now?

[humble mirage]

What do you mean by that? Add a link in the sidebar, or connect an integration in HA to them?

[spice torrent]

Hi guys,
I'm stuck on HA preparing page can someone help me out with this? Thanks

[humble mirage]

Click the blue circle and you'll get more information, then use a code share site to share them if you don't understand them.

[abstract hearth]

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

• https://dpaste.org/ (select YAML for the language)
• https://www.codepile.net/ (select YAML as the language)
• https://paste.debian.net/ (you guessed it, select YAML as the language)

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

Command '~share' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[spice torrent]

https://dpaste.org/QfGmZ

Thanks for the quick response. I have copied the code and pasted it on the above link clipboard

[humble mirage]

What hardwarre are you using?

[spice torrent]

Windows VM Virtual Box - Linux 64 bit

[humble mirage]

Other than

[06:15:06] INFO: Watchdog restart after closing
s6-svwait: fatal: supervisor died

I don't see obvious issues

[spice torrent]

https://snipboard.io/wABqL0.jpg

Than what's the issue? Why the page is stuck in preparation?

[humble mirage]

No idea, hopefully somebody else will be along who can help

[spice torrent]

Thanks a lot @humble mirage

[light crystal]

morning everyone, can anyone give me a hand with a freshinstall ?
newb here ahah.
So I can't reach my homeassistant via local network "homeassistant.local:8123"
I'm using a rasp 3 b+ connect directly to the router

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[shut rivet]

🔥 ?

[viscid glacier]

Whats burning?

[shut rivet]

🚒

[light crystal]

nothing burning just trying to get attention to my question XD

but its's a burning question 👀

[viscid glacier]

...

[shut rivet]

Pinging mods for that is not the way 🙂

It can be used for requiring moderation, like banning an such 😬

[light crystal]

sorry then xp

[worn sage]

am i the only 1 having serious problems with installing the VBI image in vritualbox

[humble mirage]

What problems are you having?

[shut rivet]

If http://homeassistant.local:8123 doesn't work for your network, you can try http://homeassistant:8123 alternatively. If that doesn't work either. You need to check your router to figure out which IP address your device had assigned. After you found that address you can use that instead. For example, if my router would assign 192.168.1.2 to my device, I could access it using: http://192.168.1.2:8123

[worn sage]

i get stuck on a screen that says Booting 'Slot A (OK=0 TRY=1)'

and sometimes it goes to a screen where i can select between slot a and slot b but b says its an invalid filesystem

[humble mirage]

They left...

[shut rivet]

🤷‍♂️

[odd belfry]

Hello, it is possible to install the HAOS to Rock Pi 4? If yes, which method is the right way?

[strange cloak]

Hi all,
I tried installing ESPHome on HA. I appears it worked just fine for a while, and I even got it going setting up an ESP device. After a while the computer HA runs on crashed (I think, not sure) and since then I can't access HA on the usual url (homassistant.local:8123). The observer url also returns nothing.
HA runs in a virtual maching (Oracle Virtual Box), and I can see that it is doing ok and interact with the Command line as well. I used it to try to restore my backups. Doing that seemed to go fine, but it didn't fix the issue. How do I get in contact with my HA installation again, and does anyone know what happened?

[humble mirage]

If you use the host IP - rather than homeassistant.local - can you connect?

[strange cloak]

If I use xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8123 I get the error "refused to connect". The IP is the one I see for the machine inside the virtual box, not the one for the physical machine

I have experimented with and without the mask bit as well (the number after the /)

[humble mirage]

Well, the subnet mask isn't a thing you put in the URL

If you have console access, what does HAOS think its IP is? Does that match what you're trying?

[strange cloak]

Okay. That may contribute to the fact that it doesn't work, then 😄

[humble mirage]

If you have console access, what does HAOS think its IP is? Does that match what you're trying?

Heck, from there can you ping your router?

[strange cloak]

in the HA command line, both ipconfig, ifconfig and ping are unknown commands.

The physical machine it's running on is on the network if that is what you are after. I am controlling it via VN

C

...so how can I see which IP HA thinks it has?

Got it. Sorry for not checking deeply enough. The command dns info does the trick it seems.

I can't ping it from the same home network though (and it also doesn't return any content in the browser on port 8123)

[humble mirage]

Is the IP it shows on the same subnet as the rest of your computers?

[strange cloak]

If the subnet is identified as the numbers before the last . in the IP, then no

^^that is what google tells me - im a noob when it comes to network-stuff.

*no as in, no they do not share the same number before the last dot, just to be sure I express myself clearly.

[humble mirage]

The VM is using Bridged networking?

Because it sounds like it's not

[strange cloak]

Looks like it is to me. The settings around network looks like this:

Though I could paste in an image here. Anyway under network the "attatched to" option is set to "bridged adapter"

(but with much better spelling, however)

[abstract hearth]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

Command '~images' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[latent thistle]

for VScode minimum 8Gb ram is required?

[humble mirage]

#add-ons-archived

[latent thistle]

I was asking in context of x86 hardware for running HA on proxmox or some virtual method

I am searching for these https://shabandigital.com.pk/product-category/all-categories/computers/mini-pc/

[humble mirage]

Right, but you're asking about the requirements for one add-on

[strange cloak]

Okay, here's the link @humble mirage : https://i.imgur.com/Bbqzy4v.png

[humble mirage]

Now you get to work out why you're getting a different IP allocated for HA

[strange cloak]

No clue, man. I suppose the better approach here is to nuke the VM and start over while keeping a better eye on things so I can actually see if there are any errors or anything.

Anyways, thanks a buch for giving it a try, Tinkerer. It's really appropriated!

[obsidian badger]

Hello, I'm looking to install home assitant for the first time. I have a desktop computer, a tower running truenas, a couple raspberry pis and some other OLD pcs not in use

Is there much of a difference in functionality based on which I use?

[humble mirage]

No

The hardware you run on is pretty secondary, the main two choices are:

1. Do you want add-ons, if so you'll be using Home Assistant OS - which can be run in a VM
2. Do you love Docker, if so you'll be using Home Assistant Container

[latent thistle]

Yes, addon like frigate might require better hardware

otherwise, dashboard is still dashboard

[humble mirage]

Frigate though benefits more from a Coral device than any CPU choice

[obsidian badger]

I'm not to sure until I have had chance to play with it

[humble mirage]

It's easy enough to migrate to new hardware anyway

[obsidian badger]

I think it can probably do so much more than I am aware of

If I go for OS and then need to migrate to container or vice versa is that possible?

[humble mirage]

Yup

They all use the same Home Assistant software, it's just how you install it (and other software) that changes

[latent thistle]

just three simple steps, Backup, install and restore

[latent thistle]

availability right now

[obsidian badger]

In that case I think I'll just get my hands dirty with any of them and then come ask some questions once I get a bit more familiar

[eager brook]

Hi I am looking for the supervisor option so I can edit a yaml file. started with home assitant yesterday so please be gentle

[crude inlet]

@eager brook settings > addons

There is no supervisor panel now

[eager brook]

Found it. thanks a lot

[sacred surge]

I was looking to create a link in the side bar. I managed to create a new page and then add a web view with the IP address to my docker container. Is there a better way to do it?

[modest lake]

I run HAOS with ~20 add-ons. Since a few days the "free disk-sensor" reports about 28 GB less free disk than usual. The nightly snapshots (that are moved to other storage by script after completion) is usually around 14 GB so it could indicate 2 hidden/failed snapshots somewhere. Or something else completely. There are no files in /backup except last night's snapshot.

https://imgur.com/a/QcOiuHD

Since I have no knowledge how to navigate in Linux or in Portainer, I would appreciate some guidance how to find out the files taking up this space. Any tips?

[humble mirage]

Then it's just a panel_iframe integration, nothing fancy

[abstract hearth]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/panel_iframe/

Command '~panel_iframe' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[crude inlet]

You should get rid of portainer. Is one of the 20 addons the samba addon?

This is really like any other "where is my disk space going" situation. You would start exploring directories and see which files are big. You can do this using the command line or by using the access you have to the shared folders. Browse the directories, see what is large. You might even be able to run a disk space visualizer from the computer you are connecting from. If you find nothing that explains it, you could try running ha su repair in the console.

[fossil veldt]

can a BT dongle be seen by a VM ha?

(currently my VM HA can't see my laptop's native BT)

[gaunt ember]

should be a USB dongle (on internal USB port, like ngff with the wifi).. you can passthrough that USB device and should work

[gaunt ember]

what hypervisor?

[fossil veldt]

@gaunt ember sorry I dunno what that is

[humble mirage]

They're asking what VM platform you're using

[fossil veldt]

oh

lemme check :))

oh yeah, it was VirtualBox

[gaunt ember]

vb can do passthrough no problem

oh i can't share screenshots 😟

[fossil veldt]

so it has to be usb, it can't do passthrough for the native laptop one

[gaunt ember]

it is probably USB, if it's x86 platform

[abstract hearth]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

Command '~images' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[gaunt ember]

if the laptop is fairly new the bt is probably on the m.2 of the wifi

[fossil veldt]

do you happen to know/recommend recommend a dongle that works with HA by any chance?

ooh, now I get it

any bt adapter will do probably

I thought it only worked with specific brands or something ^^

thank you for the help!

[humble mirage]

As long as you pick something that works with Linux you'll be fine, and most will

Look for CSR, eg CSR 4.0

[fossil veldt]

csr got it

cheers

[sacred surge]

Yah I see it’s just an iframe. Is there any downside to do it that way or is there another way? I’m not familiar with docker so I’m not really sure what I’m doing haha

[humble mirage]

It's just a pointer to the web page, that's all

It has nothing to do with Docker, or how you install anything

[modest lake]

Did the ha su repair which "completed successfully".
I can't find anything strange in the samba folders. All the accessible folders, /config and all other samba shares are just a few hundred MBs all together.
In a Windows environment, I'd know what to do and how, but in Linux and containers, I'm totally lost.
Since it took two big leaps of ~14 GB at a time it seems reasonable that there are some incomplete or broken snapshots. Do you know where to look for those?
I suppose they are created in a temp folder somewhere and then moved to /backup?

[dire hawk]

treafik

[lofty sapphire]

hey guys wondering if anyone has an experience with HA Z-Wave configuration in docker ? Having some issues getting the Z-wave portion to work, zigbee was a snap

[lofty sapphire]

Looks like i need to run another docker container Zwavejs2Mqtt to get this working

[high token]

if you used ZHA that's already part of HA. But anything else like Zigbee2MQTT or deCONZ need their own containers

the same applies for Zwavejs

[lofty sapphire]

thanks firstly im running HA Core version, What ive done so far is, exposed in the docker compose for HA the USB ports for my Zwave and Zigbee controllers, rebooted HA. I've then installed the ZHA integration- it asked for the Zigbee location which was displayed as an option on the popup, so i think from the Zigbee perspective im good to go. Right?

Where do i go from here regarding Z-Wave. From my research looks like i need to spin up a docker container: zwavejs2mqtt - which is a bridge between zwave controller and HA, if im correct... thanks.

[humble mirage]

#zwave-archived can help with Z-Wave, but do see the Z-Wave JS docs which cover that

Also, you're running HA Container if you're running HA in Docker

Everybody has the software called Core

[lofty sapphire]

Got it missed #zwave-archived. Yes i reviewed the documentation for ZWave JS, which as you said im running the container version puts me into Option 3 create the container Zwavejs2Mqtt - thanks i will work on that installed now.

[short thicket]

Hi! I'm trying to run HA as a virtual machine on windows, tried VMware Workstation Player and VirtualBox. For VB it often gets stuck. When trying to restart it has some problems with kernel time synchronization. In VMware it always has the problem with kernel clock, so I was even not able to start it.
Can someone help me if some had this problem before?

[lofty sapphire]

That worked! Added my first Zwave device, im off to the races! Thank you!

[jaunty blade]

Hi Guys, i just installed home assistant onto virtualbox, and everything seemed fine, then i downloaded mosquito, and now it won't load the automations page. I can't seem to figure out what is wrong

[high token]

seems two entirely different things

[jaunty blade]

Agreed, but i have done quite literally nothing else since installing it

[high token]

what doe's it say when you try loading automations page?

[grand pivot]

yeah, the two things have nothing to do with each other

[jaunty blade]

nothing, it just loads forever

[high token]

whereas every other page in HA works just fine?

[jaunty blade]

yep

sorry i misspoke its the devices page

automations is fine

[high token]

Ahh

[grand pivot]

whatever page it is, try clearing your browser cache

[high token]

it's always cache

[jaunty blade]

nevermind im a fool

i changed my user so it can only authenticate locally

and somehow that blocked access to devices?

i guess turning that off allows me to access devices again

[high token]

the Allow Network Access only on the user or whatever it's called it means you can't login using a domain name

that shouldn't affect this either

[jaunty blade]

let me stream it for you

i just confirmed it

[high token]

weird

I'll make a user to test lol

[jaunty blade]

like maybe i'm missing something but i can show you lol

im in hangout

[high token]

that's very weird

[jaunty blade]

Haha

Agreed

[high token]

does it happen if you log in on incognito as well?

[jaunty blade]

let me try

[high token]

it's definitely not reproducible here

[jaunty blade]

okay weird

so if i try to log in

it says i can't log in as a remote user

despite being on the same computer the vm is running on

but yea it happens incognito too

[high token]

Hmm

did I notice in your devices it has a discovered one?

presumably for mqtt

[jaunty blade]

yep, and also my router

is it because the vm is bridged?

[high token]

it's supposed to be bridged

was just trying to think of possibilities but really have no idea why it's happening

[jaunty blade]

oh well, i'll just leave that off

thanks for the help though

[high token]

if you really want a local user maybe make a second one and see if it happens to that one too. Or check again another time if it's still the case

a different browser also or simply ignore haha

[jaunty blade]

kk

ty

[jaunty lava]

Hi, which guide should I follow to install supervised and home assistance in a raspberry pi? (Without installing home assistance os)

[grand pivot]

There's not really any point to that

If you must, https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux#install-home-assistant-supervised

[jaunty lava]

Why there’s no point? The home assistant os takes control of everything, I’d like to do more things

[grand pivot]

Read that link. Doing 'more things' is not supported

If you want that, use the container install

[jaunty lava]

I’m reading the link, thanks, bit can I install addons and similar in the container? (My understanding is that it’s not possible)

[grand pivot]

No, you install your own software

[thorn raptor]

Hey everyone! tl;dr - First time installing (HA on Proxmox VM), and I'm way past the ~20min ETA that is prompted the first time you visit the local URL. Getting 500 Server Error when trying to download Docker things.

With it being a 500 error, there's nothing I the end-user can do, but maybe bring awareness to an aspect that's experiencing downtime?

To be precise, here is what I'm seeing
22-06-11 03:22:36 ERROR (SyncWorker_3) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:2022.6.5: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.41/images/create?tag=2022.6.5&fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fhome-assistant%2Fqemux86-64-homeassistant&platform=linux%2Famd64: Internal Server Error ("Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": net/http: request canceled while waiting for connection (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers)")

[terse wharf]

Hi everyone. I'm running a docker with portainer on a Rpi 4 and i'm trying to copy over some configuration files from a previous install. How can i access the home assistant files within the docker container?

[modest lake]

I am quite convinced there are "dead" files in my system. My install takes up ~60 GB data including all add-ons. But if I clone the VM and make a complete snapshot restore , it wipes everything and after the restore it only takes up 32 GB. My guess is that there are failed InfluxDB snapshots stored somewhere since they consume about 12-14 GB each and nothing else comes even close to that. Any tips where an incomplete snapshot would be stored and how I could check if that is the case?

[lost mural]

I did a docker install earlier today and had this as well. My solution was a pretty simple one. I just rebooted the system. I wasted quite a bit of time first looking through firewall settings on my router ...

I want to restore a .tar backup that I created from the webinterface of a Docker Install. It is going to another Docker install. I have googled this, and the common denominator seems to be to 'just untar it on the new system'. Don't I have to put it in a specific folder?

[grand pivot]

It replaces the content of your config directory

[lost mural]

so i have to copy it into that directory and untar it there, right? or one folder above it?

[grand pivot]

You should look at whether the tar file has a directory at its root, but you want the content in your config dir

[wind flume]

Hey there! I'm currently having some trouble with my Home Assistant setup, and i'm thinking about doing a fresh install. I'm currently using the VMware Image from Hass.io. It works, but after 1-2 days the GUI stops responding, and i have to restart the VM to get it working again. So what is the more stable option now? Should i do a fresh install using the Hass.io Image, or should i just install an Ubuntu/Debian/whatever and install Home Assistant afterwards? What would you prefer? 🙂

[sterile ravine]

I'm not sure where to ask this question, but is anyone else running their install in Kubernetes/Docker and have node red working?

[humble mirage]

You probably wanted #node-red-archived

[rich plover]

i wonder about possible advantages running Home Assistant Operating System

until now i just use the docker version which runs fantastic

[crude inlet]

@rich plover if it's fantastic then keep it as is. HAOS is docker, but managed for you

[lost mural]

HA Core in docker via Docker-compose...
When trying to install HACS my system is telling me I do not have permission to write to my directory? Even sudo won't fix it.... I have also already chmodded the folder to 775
any ideas?

[grand pivot]

HA Core in docker via Docker-compose...

that just sounds like a container installation

but worded strangely...

in any case, your config directory is just a directory on your server, so review the owner/group/permissions

[lost mural]

yeah....I thought I'd just describe my circumstances exactly lest I miss relevant information

cause on an old laptop that I used as a PoC the last couple of months prior to this new permanent NUC I think I installed it without docker compose. And didn't have any permission issues

but yeah...you're right of course. I just took a digital crowbar to it. gave the folder 777 chmod temporarily as I installed it

[tranquil bluff]

Noticed my installation was no longer online, this is what I'm greeted with after power cycling. I'm surprised I was able to get it working in the first place, this is have no clue what to do
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/397426163649216512/985648411250401310/20220612_155143.jpg

[humble mirage]

"Good" news, your SD card is dead/dying

You may be able to image the SD card and recover your config, since you have no backups that's your only hope at this point

[tranquil bluff]

Meh I'm ok with starting fresh. I'm not super knowledgeable when it comes to stuff like this. Between trying to get teleport to work again on my router, getting syncthings to install on truenas and home assistant setup properly, I've managed to get truenas running and had home assist accessible but not really useful

[mellow dove]

Hello everyone. HomeAssistant doesn't see usb passthrough device. When running lsusb on the host the Aeotec Z-Stick 7 is listed as Bus 003 Device 004: ID 10c4:ea60 Silicon Labs CP210x UART Bridge and dmesg |grep tty* shows the most recent device as usb 3-2: cp210x converter now attached to ttyUSB0. I've plugged and unplugged multiple times to confirm it is indeed ttyUSB0. The path I'm using is /dev/usb/ttyUSB0 but HomeAssistant doesn't see the device.

OS/docker: UNRAID 6.10.2/Docker 20.10.14
Hardware: AsRock Rack X399D8A-2T, AMD Threadripper 2950X
Docker command:/path/to/device = /dev/usb/ttyUSB0
Logs: https://hastebin.skyra.pw/qofibufuru.yaml (Container logs, container terminal, unraid terminal)

I've tried the install using the Home-Assistant-Core and homeassistant images from the Community App store.

I've run lsusb in the container's terminal and can see that there is a device listed with and ID that matches the Z-Stick 10c4:ea60 but it's still not showing up. Am I missing something and just being a noob? Thank you in advance!

[lost mural]

are there different pros and cons of installing mosquitto on the OS directly vs in a docker container (when HA and everything else is also in a docker container)?

[humble mirage]

It all works the same regardless

If you're already running other things in Docker then Docker makes sense

[south flame]

Hi, i'm running HA, zwave2mqtt, zigbee2mqtt and nodered on a ubuntu server with docker now.
I want to seperate my installations.

So i have new laptop witch i have installed proxmox on, and set up a vm with HASOS. I'm now a little bit confused. How do i transfer my zigbee/zwave/nodered containers to this? I really don't want to start from scratch again

[humble mirage]

You can't really migrate things other than HA from Container to HAOS

[south flame]

ok, so maybe i should install ubuntu on this laptop and just move my containers.
I'm missing out on the cool things in haos tho 😦

[humble mirage]

"Cool" things?

You mean having a point-n-click thing for installing software... I'll pass

[south flame]

🙂

[twin stag]

Hi all,
A friend of mine has the following issue when installing the generic x86-64 image (https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/generic-x86-64/)
For some reason, he cannot reach Github through the Home Assistant terminal add-on using this image. When he pings github.com he gets a message ping: bad address 'github.com'. However, he can ping other domains from within HA Terminal like google.com or nu.nl for example. Is this something that sounds familiar to one of you?

[abstract hearth]

@twin stag You can disable link preview in Discord by adding < before and > after the URL, like this: <http://home-assistant.io/>

Command '~links' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[humble mirage]

It sounds like a DNS problem

[twin stag]

Yes, you should say so, but the strange thing is that he can ping github.com from his laptop...

[humble mirage]

Please edit your post and fix the link 😉

[humble mirage]

Sure, but the laptop isn't HA

HAOS uses some fallback DNS servers AFAIK

[twin stag]

Yeah, I thought, maybe it was his firewall, but that couldn't be. I never used this image, so I do not know where to search tbh.

[high token]

it's supposed to. Never seem to actually help 😅

[twin stag]

What do you mean?

[high token]

HAOS has fallback DNS servers in case the one taken from the DHCP don't resolve

but they also usually don't work automatically

one option set manual DNS server under Settings --> Network --> Ipv4

to like 9.9.9.9 or 1.1.1.1 or for example

[twin stag]

Okay, I can try

Thank you, I will let you know the outcome as soon as I know more.

[twin stag]

Didn't work unfortunately. tried the Google DNS addresses, but to no avail

[high token]

of course not

would have been too easy 😅

the other option that usually does fix it is through nmcli, which needs access to the host so keyboard/monitor

#installation-archived message

[twin stag]

I tried to use login, but it asks me for a user and I have no clue on his system. Tried root, but does not work

[high token]

you are not in the host console

[twin stag]

Indeed

[high token]

login just drops you to #

where are you trying this from?

addon?

[twin stag]

Indeed

That does not seem to work

[high token]

I know nmcli exists in the advanced addon but I don't know if it can do the same as through host

[twin stag]

nmcli is not known as a command, so I guess not. I did not install this setup, so I am a bit in the dark here.

[high token]

if it doesn't you are in the official ssh addon

[core-shh] or whatever it starts with

there's also the other one, that one has nmcli

[twin stag]

Indeed. let me install the other one then.

[high token]

stop this one first before starting the other

both can't run in parallel

[twin stag]

Yes, got it!

I use the other one myself too, let's try this

Unfortunately this did not help either. The thing is that pinging other addresses like google.com is working. It seems that pinging github just does not work...

[high token]

github has always been picky

and rebooted after the changes?

[twin stag]

Yes, I did

login did not elevate my rights though. It keeps asking for a password. Even with the other addon

Protection mode is disabled

[high token]

that's expected though

access to the host isn't possible with an addon

they are containers, they don't have access

either keyboard/monitor or enabling debug ssh on port 22222 gives that kind of access

is HAOS directly connected to the router or branched out to some switch?

[twin stag]

Yeah, I am not close to him right now, so I cannot look straight into his server.

But thanks for your input. I will have to investigate this further. Giving access on port 22222 is something that I'm not sure about if I can do this remotely. I guess not....

[high token]

not really. Would need a usb stick that he has to plug in the device with the ssh keys

[twin stag]

Yes, I expected that

Thx

[high token]

you can make the keys and he just plugs it in 😄

on supervisor does he get 505 errors ?

[twin stag]

I tried to retrieve the address of github using the dig -x command with a github ip-address and it does return a github address. Not sure what that means exactly, but I wanted to make sure that there is some connection.

[twin stag]

I'll check

[high token]

You said originally he can't ping github on the addon but that's probably irrelevant or? As in the real issue he can't update or install anything new I assume because of it

[twin stag]

That is exactly the problem. He cannot install HACS

That was initially his question to me and then I found out that I couldn't pin github

[high token]

Ooh

but you said you just installed the other SSH addon

so that works fine

[twin stag]

That does work indeed, but because of the fact that github cannot be reached, he cannot install HACS. I can ping Github on my install without any issues.

[high token]

and this also doesn't work instead? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hacs/get/main/get

[twin stag]

Nope. Can't ping that either. Also get ping: bad address

He's not blocked on github. He can ping github on all his other machines

I have to go to dinner now. Sorry, have to go for a while.

Thanks for your support!

[high token]

It's too sunny outside for dinner 😛

a foreign concept for you Tink hehe

[humble mirage]

We get at least two days of sun a year here I'll have you know

[twin stag]

You're from Finland?

[humble mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/kilt-scottish-gif-19175472

More alcohol, more wind

[graceful light]

Hi folks, I'm using balena to run home-assistant on my raspberry pi 4. I maintain this on balenaHub . I was wondering if it's possible to make this part of official installation guide? I'm happy to do the work but I need some direction 🙂

[terse drum]

Is there an apt-repo or way to install Home Assistant directly on Ubuntu 22.04?

[humble mirage]

With Docker, yes

With apt, no

With snap ... hell no

[terse drum]

Docker is fine.

[humble mirage]

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux#install-home-assistant-container

[terse drum]

Thanks!

[verbal wave]

So I was looking to migrate a local raspberry pi install to a docker image install on a raspberry pi. However i cant see an option under backups to import the back up export from my original install into the new docker install. Any ideas?

[humble mirage]

Is it the same Pi?

If so, just point the /config folder at the existing folder

If not, just tar up your config folder, copy it to the new Pi, and untar it wherever you want it

AFAIK backups only exist in Core and Container to allow people to more easily migrate to HAOS

[shy maple]

I'm looking for some help with a docker install. I'm trying to get HA setup using network_mode:host (so that I can add the homekit integration) but it stops working. I'm also running a pihole container on the same server

[humble mirage]

Are you using Docker Compose, or command line?

[shy maple]

docker-compose

[abstract hearth]

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

• https://dpaste.org/ (select YAML for the language)
• https://www.codepile.net/ (select YAML as the language)
• https://paste.debian.net/ (you guessed it, select YAML as the language)

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

Command '~share' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[humble mirage]

Share your compose file then ☝️

[shy maple]

https://dpaste.org/28NFF

[humble mirage]

You're not using host mode networking

    # network_mode: host
    ports: 
      - "8123:8123"
    networks:
      - proxy-network
``` ❌

[shy maple]

yea, thats what im saying, it works in this config, but if I swap to use network mode host it doesnt work

[humble mirage]

    network_mode: host
#    ports: 
#      - "8123:8123"
#    networks:
#      - proxy-network

What is "doesn't work"?

[shy maple]

then i cant access the dashboard

[humble mirage]

Without the networks section either?

[shy maple]

correct

https://dpaste.org/zwCE5

This site can’t be reached

[shy maple]

am I still supposed to access on port 8123?

[foggy wigeon]

I am unable to check for updates and receive the message "You do not have any integrations that provide updates.". I have a x86_64 machine running latest Home Assistant OS. How can I get the updates working?

[lucid arrow]

I'm working through an issue, hopefully someone here can help. I have my HA (running as a container) working currently, but I think something isn't quite right with the configuration. In the configuration.yaml file, I have it set like this:

http:
ssl_certificate: /etc/letsencrypt/fullchain1.pem
ssl_key: /etc/letsencrypt/privkey1.pem
base_url: https://my.custom.domain
use_x_forwarded_for: true
trusted_proxies:

• 192.168.1.5
• 172.17.0.4

The documents say I should remove base_url and use external_url and internal_url instead, but when I fill those in and comment out base_url, it goes to safemode when starting up. Any ideas?

[grand pivot]

they don't go there. They either go under homeassistant: or to be specified in the UI

https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/configuration/basic/

[crude inlet]

And base_url: was removed a long time ago

It's not going into safe mode as a result of you removing it. That would be due to something else

[lucid arrow]

Thank you. The issue was I was putting internal_url and external_url under http: which I can see now is in the wrong spot. I actually added the domain in the UI as @grand pivot suggested, and then just removed the base_url part in http in the yaml and it's working fine now (and tts works, which was my original issue actually). Thank you.

[modest lake]

I have tested a bit more since my last question(s) in <#installation-archived message> and <#installation-archived message>
Then I accidentally restarted HA while a backup/snapshot was in the making today, and now another 10 GB of storage is lost in space.
So I am quite certain that there are broken/incomplete snapshots taking up space somewhere.

Does anyone now where those backup files are stored during the backup (before completion) and how to delete them?

[placid mango]

Hello!
I messed up my HomeAssistant install and (shame on me) I don't have a backup.
I have a "Home Assistant Operating System" Setup (prebuild imaged flashed to my RPi4)
Online I found the solution to "copy the /config folder to a new SD-Card"
But when I mount my current SD I don't see a /config folder anywhere. I only have a /docker /supervisor /logs and /lost+found folder.

So I guess the trick with copying /config won't work for me.

Is there anything I could do to transfer my old setup to a new SD?

[humble mirage]

On the file system the HA config is under /mnt/data/supervisor/homeassistant

Maybe it's under the /supervisor folder you found

[placid mango]

There is an homeassistant folder!

In the supervisor folder there is also a backup folder

I will copy things to my PC and then try a new install and copy files over 👍

[humble mirage]

And set up backups

Oh, and many of the files and folders are "hidden" by default, don't miss those

[placid mango]

Yeah first thing when I get all running again is a backup 😅

[merry karma]

is it possible to access the camera connector on HASSOS?

if no, will hassos be happy on rpi3?

due to shortage I am forced to make this choice

OS is on rp4 8gb

I am trying to use my new 64mp cam

[humble mirage]

I'd be surprised if HAOS supports it

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/rpi_camera/ is pretty clear that it only works on Core installs

[little yarrow]

hi so i want to install HAOS on a proxmox vm, is there somewhere i can download an iso or other image file that is not for a spesific system?

on the install page it only has options for VirtualBox, KVM and Vmware

[humble mirage]

No

Proxmox is a KVM VM, so you use the KVM image

[little yarrow]

perfect thanks

[humble mirage]

I'm pretty sure the forum has some Proxmox guides to help you

[high token]

The scripts from tteck are also pretty descent and maintained

[humble mirage]

Those are the ones I was thinking of

[little yarrow]

it does but it was "curl this script directly into the bash on your proxmox box" and i couldnet find the downlad location in the script so i wasnt comfortable using it.

[high token]

though should always look at what scripts are doing first

I haven't been hacked yet here 😄

[little yarrow]

oh it is almost cirtainly safe i just prefer to do things manualy for stuff like this (also my proxmox is slightly out of date so i didnt want to risk the script breaking things)

[high token]

It downloads the qcow2 image

Ah yeah if it's not on v7 good idea not to

[little yarrow]

im still on 6.2 (updating it has been on my todo list for a while)

[little yarrow]

just found that, i was looking for the more general image file extentions (eg .iso)

[high token]

there isn't one

[little yarrow]

yep i know that now, but when i was looking through the script for the download path on the weekend i didnt

[high token]

All possible builds are listed here https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/releases

[modest lake]

Found answer to my own question, saving the answer so I can find it next time:
There were ~40 GB of failed snapshots (backups) in /mnt/data/supervisor/tmp/.
With those removed, everything is back to normal.

[undone sentinel]

made the following compose file https://paste.debian.net/1244095
produces the next:

 in "./docker-compose.yml", line 3, column 5
expected <block end>, but found '<block mapping
 in "./docker-compose.yml", line 20, column 8```

any ideas

[grand pivot]

Your indentation is inconsistent

[undone sentinel]

pardon ?

[abstract hearth]

YAML is the mark up language used by Home Assistant, consistent indenting (two spaces per level) is key. Here is a primer, and this explains multi-line templates. For validating YAML see YAML Lint.

Command '~yaml' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[humble mirage]

        volumes:
       ports:

[undone sentinel]

is that all it takes to brake it 😱

[humble mirage]

It's YAML, all the usual YAML rules apply

[undone sentinel]

it's fixed omg

[gentle stag]

Hi, is it possible to install Home Assistant Supervised on portainer in a pi4?

[humble mirage]

No

Supervised is almost always the wrong choice anyway

You either want HAOS or Container. If you're using Supervised so you can run "other software" outside of add-ons then you're doing it wrong

[gentle stag]

I really dont know anything about this, but I want to run Home Assistant on portainer in a pi4

and want to be able to use the add-on store

[humble mirage]

Those two things exclude the other

If you want to use Portainer then you use the Container install method and get no add-ons

If you want add-ons then you install HAOS and there's no Portainer

[gentle stag]

but if I install the haos version, I really cant do anything more with the pi4, right?

[humble mirage]

Right, but that's the same with Supervised

Supervised just trades a managed OS for Debian Bullseye that you manage

[gentle stag]

so its not possible to use home assistant with add-ons store and other things on the pi4?

[humble mirage]

Not in a supported manner, no

You can ignore this and run Supervised, but then things will break at some point because you ignored the requirements

This is, clearly, not advised

[untold grail]

This may be a dumb question, but since a docker container can run any OS then it should be able to run HAOS. Then it should be possible to run Home Assistant on HAOS in a docker container?

[crude inlet]

The OS is there to run docker and facilitate everything running in docker containers, and you want to put all of that in a docker container?

[high token]

I was writing a whole paragraph there 🙈

[crude inlet]

And then you could put whatever you have running all that in another container 😆

[high token]

Can you even remotely do that?

an OS in a container?

[crude inlet]

all the containers have some minimal base OS, so I guess

[untold grail]

Oh I didn't realize that was why the OS is there. That's good to know - thank you.

[crude inlet]

If you want to run HA in a container, run the HA container. Then you have all the rest of available docker images as your "add-ons"

There's no need to make it overly complicated by running HA OS

[untold grail]

so if I have a k8s cluster or mini-kube I can run ha in 1 container (pod) and deploy add-ons in other pods ?

[crude inlet]

no HA add-ons...just the usual software available as images and run as containers out there in the world

[untold grail]

got it so if I understand correctly instead of using the add-on feature in the UI I would deploy images of software like MTTQ and just configure HA pod to talk to them

[crude inlet]

right

[untold grail]

amazing, thank you

[humble mirage]

Docker containers don't really run an OS though, they're a partition of the "host" OS

[untold grail]

that's a good point

[polar bronze]

anyone had experience with hass not working on a VM when set to use multiple cores? using virtualbox and it only finishes boot/setup process when it's set to 1 core

[foggy wigeon]

Did you find a solution to the "You do not have any integrations that provide updates." issue?

[mighty wave]

I have no Idea where to ask help for this so I guess we'll start here.

I have a new HA VM in unraid, I have a Sonoff zigbee USB dongle and I can't seem to get Zigbee2MQTT to work. I get errors in the log

[grand pivot]

Sounds like #zigbee-archived , where you should expand on 'errors'

[wide wind]

Is there a way to stop HA to keep rebooting? Updated to latest HA os, and there must be an error happening, as it loop reboots. But can't read whats happening as it's too fast

Runnig on intel nuc8

Seems to fail at  start job is running for Wait Until Kernel Time Synchronized 

[modest lake]

Is there a way to see if there is a running backup job from HA? Even something I could use as a condition in a script?

I have a snapshot (backup) scheduled that runs every night. Nowadays it takes about 6 hours to complete since InfluxDB is quite large.
This causes problems if I restart HA during the backup since it leaves a broken backup file that takes up a lot of space.

[zealous hawk]

There isn't a blog post or forum thread for every HAOS update? When updating core I tend to wait a few days and read comments but I see little discussion about HAOS updates. And if I recall correctly there were major issues for some people a release or two back.

[glacial pivot]

Hey there! I followed the HASS Core Pi install guide and everything went well.

However, I'm trying to get HASS to start on startup / power on the Pi 4 but can't find any documentation / pointers on that. I would normally setup a systemd file but given that Core runs inside a Python Env (I don't know much at all about how those work), I assume that's not an option.

Any pointers or help would be appreciated!

[humble mirage]

Docker FTW

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/autostart-using-systemd/199497 has you covered though

[glacial pivot]

Oh so it is Systemd, even with the PythonEnv. Thank you!

Also, been trying to avoid docker mostly cause I have a bunch of other stuff running on the Pi already and most of it doesn't exist in Docker format so been trying to just run everything as standalones for now (hence the no OS option too).

[humble mirage]

Where it's an option, Docker generally is going to make your life easier

You can absolutely mix and match stuff in and out of Docker, but it solves so many dependency issues

[hot marsh]

hi, im getting "eof" on black background when trying to open web interface after last update? how to fix it?

[humble mirage]

Did you install the SSH add-on?

[hot marsh]

yes but i only used it in browser, and cant connect now

devices added work through homekit though

[humble mirage]

You've tried the browser in Incognito mode to avoid any cache issues?

[hot marsh]

oh wait it work now...

weird

thanks for the help

[wide wind]

Is there a way to enter the HAOS cli before the system completely boots?

[humble mirage]

Before it boots, no, because it's not booted

[wide wind]

Any sort of recovery mode?

[humble mirage]

not AFAIK

Though, the A/B partitions are their own form of recovery

[wide wind]

Wym

[humble mirage]

HAOS has a dual partition setup, like modern Android phones

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2022/05/16/home-assistant-os-release-8/ shows the dual boot slots

[wide wind]

Tried both, no luck. System dies in a reported bug. Machine does not connect to network and perma reboots

https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/issues/1949

Thats what im having. Others reported being able to access cli, that's why I had hope

[little swift]

finally moving to a mini pc... yeah. prepping myself, and reading https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/generic-x86-64#write-the-image-to-your-boot-media how do I do that when booted from a Ubuntu flashdrive?

[high token]

Uses Disks are how it's called in ubuntu

[little swift]

I did find https://community.home-assistant.io/t/installing-home-assistant-os-on-a-mini-pc/314722/34 posted, but that used the Ubuntu imager, and a re-downloaded file, and not as the instructions tell us the Url for Balena

[high token]

Balena is one option yes

although someone was reporting balena wasn't working because some dependency was missing if remember correctly

[little swift]

but how to open Balena in the first place, when I bootup from Ubuntu>

[high token]

you first need to download it

it doesn't just exist in Ubuntu

alternatively download /or plug in a USB with the HAOS image and use Disk to "restore" to the drive that HAOS image (same thing as flashing)

Disks / Disks Utility I cannot remember the name

where are you confusing yourslef?

[little swift]

a ok, so thats what that community post does: Boot Ubuntu, switch flashdrive with HAOS image, and Restore

[high token]

I assume you have a GUI Ubuntu booted?

[little swift]

not yet, I dont have the Mini pc yet...

its in my basket...

[high token]

Aaah

proactive planning

[little swift]

yep

[high token]

if you have an adapter open it up and flash the drive directly

[little swift]

found the step between Booting Ubuntu and firing up Balena missing in the documentation instructions

[high token]

It says Copying a live operating system (e.g. Ubuntu) onto a USB device. Then, insert this USB device into your x86-64 hardware and start the Ubuntu.

[little swift]

yes thats fine

[high token]

then after that says Download Balena

which part do you mean?

[little swift]

Having never used Ubuntu, that triggered my proactive planning

[humble mirage]

Why not boot it up in a VM and test it out?

[little swift]

Ehhh. Im a simple Mac user....

Are you suggesting I find a way to run a VM on my Mac, dl Ubuntu and test run the sequence?

[humble mirage]

Why not?

It's not hard to do, and then you're moving beyond guess what's going on stage of planning

[little swift]

I guess, it just never crossed my mind

ok Ill go and have a look how to do that, thx

[high token]

The bug though says it get's stuck on waiting for a network which yes shouldn't happen given the timeout is 90 seconds. But yours gets stuck there too or it keeps rebooting?

not the same if it keeps rebooting

[wide wind]

Keeps rebooting

Saying that command failed

[high token]

the command?

[wide wind]

Seems to fail at  start job is running for Wait Until Kernel Time Synchronized

Had posted this above

[high token]

but when that fails it should move on not reboot

and if it doesn't fail it would get stuck there while time keeps counting

it's a fresh installation?

[wide wind]

No, but it's the third time it happens. If the machine reboots, i get stucl in that. No access to network and need to connect monitor and keyboard. Dresh install solves till next reboot

[high token]

Yet on the fresh install the network works just fine on DHCP?

[wide wind]

Yep

[high token]

This is definitely worth to open an issue. It's not the same as the other one. First yours reboots instead and the fact it happens after a single reboot is just weird

[wide wind]

Got it

[high token]

what hardware is it?

[wide wind]

Nuc8

Are boot logs stored somewhere? Im backup reflashing, buti will gather info next time

[polar bronze]

pls 😩

[crude inlet]

@polar bronze I've experienced the opposite once. It wouldn't boot without 2 cpus more than one cpu.

[polar bronze]

weird

oh you know what I haven't considered

I could try one of the other VMs

[modest lake]

Or have a look at running Proxmox at your new Mini PC. For me as and old Windows user, it was as easy to setup as setting up HA on the Intel NUC I used before. Click 'n run basically. Great tutorial on YouTube https://www.juanmtech.com/install-proxmox-and-virtualize-home-assistant/. And it is lovely to have VM snapshots before upgrades. In my experience it brings very little extra overhead. My +7 years old laptop runs Proxmox at 5% CPU with HA and Unifi Controller.

[toxic cedar]

Time to try for a new install.

[dire hawk]

Hello ! My home assistant os Bootloop after today's update, should i ask for help here ? or in general ? #330990055533576204 is deprecated

[humble mirage]

Here

[dire hawk]

Cool !
So i have the os on a nuc, and since the update done from the webui it automaticaly shutdown right after starting the docker service, like a docker container were asking for shutdown as soon as it boot.

it look like there is 2 .... version ? A and B in grub, but both do the same

any clue ?

i usealy run core on a venv but i am trying to make it more "brain dead" for the familly

[high token]

Hmm another user today reported the same

[dire hawk]

x86 to ?

[humble mirage]

My VM did that too, but given I just have it to help people who're afraid of clicking around the UI it's no loss to me

[high token]

I have mine in a VM too 🙈

But if it ~~helps ~~ makes me better in your eyes I have also one in container 😛

@wide wind did yours also started rebooting after updating

he mentioned though it works fine on first install then it will keep rebooting if it reboots even once

[dire hawk]

it is a very recent install, and even before the update i didn't reboot it a lot ... if at all almost

[high token]

you updated the OS ? I only see an update a week ago not today

[dire hawk]

got it this morning

i upgraded from work

bad idea

[high token]

Oh 2022.6.6 you mean Core

[dire hawk]

no i mean os

[high token]

Oh right

[dire hawk]

i didn't do core as i wanted to do os first

both were available on the UI

[high token]

as it happens there was a new Core released today so was confusing

OS was 8.2 a week ago

[dire hawk]

a week Oo

that doesn't feel right

i had nothing yesterday, and something this morning ... unless hass OS delay update to avoid download rush ?

[high token]

according to github yes https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/releases

we don't delay no but unless it didn't make it to the file it checks

[dire hawk]

that was the changelog i readed before updating

didin't check the date tho

[grand pivot]

perhaps your instance was mysteriously unable to contact the update server

[dire hawk]

the device is on the lan so no firewall... maybe a bad rule in the ads blocking dns 🤷‍♂️

that's odd but not "important" XD

[high token]

but regardless of that it boots and at what stage does it then reboot?

or never boots entirely?

[grand pivot]

are you the one that had issues with NTP?

that would also point to some network issue

[wide wind]

Yes

[dire hawk]

nop rob :)
the device never boot fully, it start booting, i can see the service starting (it look like systemd, don't know if it's that or something else) it wait for network , network is found, it start docker, and then initiate a shutdown

so i can't get a shell

also the shutdown is way to fast to read anything

sorry if by booting you mean reaching kernel, yes it does, but if you mean reaching userland no it doesn't

[wide wind]

Had the same happening to me

On a nuc8

[dire hawk]

i can't tell the nuc generation, pretty old

[wide wind]

If tou look under, it should say the model number. But yeah, we are at nuc12 now, so mine is not new either

[dire hawk]

https://s.gdkprod.com/20220615_183649.mp4

it is stuck in a rack :(

reinstalling it will be a chore... what did you do mike ?

[wide wind]

Nuked,reinstalled and restored backup

[dire hawk]

you have them offsite i guess ?

i am still setting it up, so right now there isn't backup outside of the nuc

[wide wind]

I had them on Google drive

Did a backup righe before updating too

[dire hawk]

so ... some live os, copy the backup from ... don't know where on the ssd to a usb key, reflash, and restore ?

[wide wind]

If you boot live, the folder is easy to find

[dire hawk]

does backup include everything ? (config done on other docker app)

[wide wind]

Yeah, got it back to how it was before

[dire hawk]

ok

Would be cool to find clue tho ... avoiding this happening to other

[wide wind]

Tried seeing the error, but even if I record the screen is so fast its blurred, and reboots

[grand pivot]

yeah, that's maddening in that video - it blurs at the critical time

[dire hawk]

let's try a slomo then XD

i have the screen at like ... 30% because i have furniture over ...

and that damn kvm never got html5 update

https://s.gdkprod.com/20220615_184816.mp4

i can see a faild to start for the docker engine

do you know if there is any flag to add to the kernel line in order to stop the automagic reboot ?

that way i can try to look into it

[grand pivot]

I thought it would roll back after some small number of failed boots

[high token]

3

but I thought generic now uses GRUB and always shows you an option to choose the slot no?

[grand pivot]

similar thing here, but no clear solution: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/hassio-wont-start-failed-to-start-docker-application-container-engine/95407/25

yeah, that's what I was searching for

https://github.com/JesseWebDotCom/home-assistant-configuration#hassio-boots-into-the-4-menu-option-autoboot-boot-1-boot-2-shell

I guess that's not very helpful

[high token]

sudo nautilus certainly doesn't sound like something that would exist

also 2 years old

Yeah so now all UEFI platforms use GRUB instead

so it should be showing the two boot slots on startup

the real issue isn't docker engine or whatever failing but the fact it's rebooting itself

or in one's case shutting down even

[wide wind]

In my case, I did see the two boot options, but both were doing the same thing. Loop rebooting

[storm sluice]

and thats not due to docker not working? i mean what would haos do if docker doesnt work. nothing?

[high token]

As far as I remember it keeps trying. But if anything restarts the service not reboot

so worst case it hangs indefinitely trying to start it

I'll go fire another VM and see

I'm definitely not going to reboot my production now 😂

[storm sluice]

https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/blob/dev/buildroot-external/rootfs-overlay/etc/systemd/system/docker.service.d/failure.conf

[grand pivot]

Maybe it'll work better the second, third, fourth, or 10000th time...

[high token]

But if its TasksMax=infinity does it actually fail fail to then reboot?

[dire hawk]

i have the 2, the 2 does the same

[dire hawk]

it's been rebooting for 9h

sooooo

10000th

[wide wind]

It never stops, I remember leaving it overnight, and in the morning was still looping

[dire hawk]

no reason not to XD

[storm sluice]

you could try adding systemd.journald.forward_to_console=1 to the kernel cmdline, maybe you can get a glance at the actual error docker is having

[storm sluice]

or boot with systemd.mask=docker.service and then wait some time and it should drop you into an emergency shell

ls

then you can look at the journal for docker with journalctl -u docker and that should hopefully turn up whats going wrong

[dire hawk]

my position to use the computer is crazy bad, so i'll try to keep it short but i will try to boot with the mask option

kepping you posted

[daring lance]

moving my install from rpi to a intel 3040. When waiting for the 20 minute setup it locks due to low disc space. I'm using a 500gb ssd, but when balena flashes the disc it makes 8 minor partitions, any ideas on how to distribute more?

[high token]

it's supposed to expand on initial boot

[daring lance]

ah, then it makes sense on my last try. I made a regular partition. Ill try again

[high token]

Ah no just flash the drive and boot it

it should do what it needs to do itself

you made a 9th partition huh?

[daring lance]

Yes I did, but reflashed just so booting as we speak

[high token]

Ah yeah that would explain it

[dire hawk]

i cheated but i have this

https://pastebin.com/Ub8Zfadh

I have the system.journal from a live os if it help (sorry i slipped)

[storm sluice]

seems the file content is corrupted for some reason

is the filesystem full or damaged?

or maybe docker crashed while writing it or something. i beleive its regenrated on startup, you could just try removing it

[dire hawk]

i could only find a key.json in the "hass-overlay" partition, and it look empty

there is a lot of free space, like 200GB at least but i don't know which one is important

and i can garenti they wasn't any power outage, this i in a half high baie with a server grade UPS

the file is actually full of \00\00\00\00\00...... a very long line of it

nothing more

file have been removed, and the device boot

we've got CLI !

since i have all the log from journald, i may be able to locate what went wrong in them, but given the number of boot, that would be some digging XD

[toxic cedar]

And we are live on Proxmox.

[dire hawk]

can't find anything to odd durring upgrade but that don't mean i know what i'm looking for ...

I will try upgrading again from 8.1 to 8.2

upgrade went without an itch

i need to go to bed or i'll be dead tomorrow, but please @ me with what you think i should do next after work.
This look to not be a one off, i am technical enough to manage my way around with you help but hassio isn't made with people like me in mind...

[high token]

For what's worth I tried the qco2 image on my proxmox. Bunch of restarts. Went back to 8.1 and to 8.2 again and nothing broke

[dire hawk]

given that i didn't find a thing in the update log, my guess would be something else broke the file before, and it just didn't manage to reboot

also auto-reboot if docker don't start isn't a good idea IMO, a shell is beter than a full reinstall

read ya tomorow

[little swift]

getting back to this, I have Virtual Box and Ubuntu installed, did make it to the end of https://community.home-assistant.io/t/installing-home-assistant-os-on-a-mini-pc/314722/43 but then upon restart it fails, because it cant find a boot device.. I did selkect the HAOS boot partition before clicking restart obviously...

ofc, the link is for a real pc, not a virtual box, so that will make a difference.

[daring lance]

Got it working after some other issues I managed to resolve. Thanks for the help! Sometimes it just helps to get some conformation in order to get going

And yes... As everyone has stated before. rpi is way slower than a computer

[high token]

Hehe

also depends on the pi 😛

PI zero can go make dinner come back and will still be installing

[daring lance]

I've used a rpi 4 4 gb 🙂 Not that big of a deal, but it loads way faster, for instance grafana

But honestly, I'm so amazed by the developers. It's so easy moving a whole installation or when an SD is corrupt. HA ❤️

[high token]

I wad running on an Rpi4 for several years

moving to proxmox is day and night

but also entirely depends on how big an installation is

[daring lance]

True, my whole backup was 450mbish. How is proxmox setup? desktop?

[high token]

See that's nothing. I had ended up with 2000 entities, a 4GB MariaDB and 2GB InfluxDB 😅

Backup alone took hours

[daring lance]

hoho! Damn

[high token]

I got a HP Elitedesk

installed Proxmox and everything in VMs or LXCs

but at the moment Rpi4 install is still running in parallel

[daring lance]

okey.. First, 2000 entities? I got 400. All the lights in my home, half dozen ESPs. How? 😄

[high token]

I ask that myself tbh 😂

[daring lance]

So proxmox > generic x86?

[high token]

OVA image essentially

the generic is specifically for flashing on a drive and booting

For proxmox is called qcow2 I believe

[storm sluice]

yeah iam running mine on proxmox too, just so much better to manage than physical installations

[high token]

it has been so much better

like earlier also so easy to spin up another instance to test

I'm keeping the RPi4 too though for the Zigbee stick at the moment as it's at a better location than where proxmox is

[daring lance]

I could see that, since I had to reflash 2-3 times. Troubleshooting network issues I have to connect monitors and keyboards, all that would be easier with VM

[high token]

but me being lazy I just disabled all automations and kept HAOS running as is 🙈

[daring lance]

hehe, I see

[high token]

I never had network issues but e.g. making backups would lock up the db till I'd restart

that also being a personal issue having such a big db in the first place though

[daring lance]

Ah, that's not really an issue (yet) for me

[wide wind]

I have to say, even if I've had to fresh start my HA multiple times during the last month, the backup restore in HA is top notch. Kudos

[polar bronze]

VMware workstation seems to work

[placid sage]

hey uhhhhh question: I just moved into a new home. Before I moved I installed HA on a RPi 4 and logged in, just to make sure it was working properly. Now I'm in the new place, and I try to access via Homeassistant.local:8123 and it doesn't see it... RPi is connected wired to the modem/router via a network switch. Do I need to reset it somehow since I logged in in a new home?

[crude inlet]

@placid sage try the ip_address:8123 instead of homeassistant.local:8123

[placid sage]

no such luck 😦

[bright lance]

IP may have change ?
So either look into the router to see what is connect or not.
Or plug a screen to the rasberry pi to see the Io written t in the terminal ?

[placid sage]

I'm not sure what any of that means...

[bright lance]

Probably because I can't speak proper English 😂.

I can access my internet router using 192.168.1.1. I suppose you have something similar at your new home ?

[placid sage]

It's probably mostly because I am ignorant about this. I have a Google Home router. Typed that in and nothing happened

[crude inlet]

you have a phone app for your google router i assume?

[bright lance]

Okay I don't know of this specific one work. Using the app Google home you should be able to see all device connected and their IP

[crude inlet]

how did you know what the ip address was when you tried it?

you didn't literally try "ip_address:8123" did you?

[placid sage]

🤔

[placid sage]

yes

[crude inlet]

does it list all devices which are connected?

[placid sage]

Yeah I don't see the Pi on there...

[crude inlet]

step one: get it so that you see the Pi on there

The Pi is connected via ethernet?

[placid sage]

hmm, yeah, I'm not sure how to do that. It's connected wired to a network switch.

and the light on the switch is flashing like it communicating

[crude inlet]

Check all connections by disconnecting and reconnecting at both ends of everything. Weird stuff happens after a move

[placid sage]

Is there a way to reset the Pi without being connected?

[crude inlet]

pulling power is the only way if you don't have a keyboard and monitor attached to it

But really, don't think about it, and disconnect/reconnect both ends of the ethernet from pi to switch, and from switch to router. Just in case. Wait and see if it shows up, and then if not, pull power on the pi, wait a minute, then power it back up

"shows up" in the app, I mean

[placid sage]

Yeah I've already done all that, unfortunately

[crude inlet]

have you set up remote access for HA?

duckdns in particular?

[placid sage]

no, I just turned it on and logged in and then put it away

[crude inlet]

ok so you set this up, did basically nothing, then moved

[placid sage]

yes

[crude inlet]

without access, it's hard to guess what is going on

[placid sage]

ok thank you, I will figure it out

[crude inlet]

so it's either get access, or reflash

[final sequoia]

I have a Sense energy monitor running in my home and it is now connected to the Home Assistant virtual machine. It is taking a long time to get the status/ analog readings to get reported to the Home Assistant interface. What will be the reason? #986757441985323059

[placid sage]

I'll reflash it, seems the easiest option

[placid sage]

no trabajo 😦

[high token]

try rebooting the google wifi thing

which ever is acting as the main router

[placid sage]

I will but it's wired. I even connected it directly to my laptop and no dice.

[high token]

I was saying that because I specifically remember people coming here with Google Wifi and having that exact issue of not showing up on the DHCP

connected what to the laptop?

#330990055533576204 message

[placid sage]

The Pi

[high token]

that anyway wouldn't have worked

that's for connecting the laptop to ethernet. It doesn't just work if you plug a client to the port

[placid sage]

🤷‍♂️

[high token]

as in laptop wifi --> etherner port --> magic 😛

[placid sage]

LOL there was no wifi

It was Pi-->ethernet-->laptop

[high token]

Hmm and where would the "network" be coming from in the scenario? 🙈

[placid sage]

I DON'T KNOW

I AM A DUM

[high token]

https://tenor.com/view/get-well-get-well-gif-13393267

[brazen herald]

Check out the section of #rules on asking good questions 🙂

[high token]

Try rebooting the Google Wifi device in case that works since it worked for the last person that had exactly that issue and go from there

I remember it so vividly because 3 different people on the same day came here with Google Wifi and that issue 😄

[placid sage]

rebooting didn't work. Adding https didn't work.

Am I supposed to reboot all of them? I have 2

[high token]

the one that acts as you main device

plugged in to a modem or the wall to your ISP

https wouldnt' work but what are you typing exactly if you don't have an IP?

(maybe I missed it this is a fresh install right?)

[placid sage]

What is says in the tutorial: homeassistant.local:8123

[placid sage]

well it is now

Also not coming up in the app

[high token]

Focus fist on getting it to show up on the app

if it doesn't show up there with an IP the homeassistant.local will never work

So you setup is Google Wifi and then you mentioned a switch and the Pi on the switch?

[placid sage]

Yes.

I can plug it directly into the router?

[high token]

By router you mean then main google wifi device?

[placid sage]

yes

[high token]

if you can yes try that

eliminate all the variables

[placid sage]

Well now the Google WiFi thing stopped working. I'm thinking I need a new router.

[high token]

How did it stop?

To be honest I don't have the greatest of experience with them based on people's feedback

they are good for silly networking

[brazen herald]

How was it connected to the network before?

[placid sage]

Flashing red light. No internet access. Plugged in another router and it did the same...

okay reset the modem and got internet back. Plugged in a different router with Pi plugged directly into it and still no dice.

[high token]

Hmm not sure anymore

without a monitor on the Pi as well to make sure it boots fine it's difficult

[placid sage]

Makes 2 of us but thanks for trying!

I will plug in a monitor.

[high token]

Was it working before on Google Wifi?

[placid sage]

Yep

[high token]

how did it happen?

that it stopped working

[haughty egret]

I have a docker image of home-assistant I have been using in bridge mode no problem. Today I decided to use host mode, and the 8123 port is not being listed with netcat -an on the host when the container is running. I docker compose exec hass-server /bin/bash and curl localhost:8123 and it works. Is there some issue with my /config/configuration.xml http: key?

 http:
   use_x_forwarded_for: true
   server_port: 8123
   trusted_proxies:
     - 127.0.0.1
     - 192.168.0.0/16
     - 172.0.0.0/8

[viscid spade]

This probably has been asked several times before and hopefully has been answered several times before. I've installed the latest version of HAOS on an USB ssd drive connected to a Pi 4B (8gb), It boots normally and I can access the dashboard. I can also see that Supervisor has been installed too ... but the supervisor menu is nowhere to be found 😦 I searched the internet for answers and checked the menu structure over and over again but I cannot find the supervisor option. Am I overlooking something or should I reinstall HAOS?

[modest lake]

The Supervisor menu is no more since 2022.5 (or maybe even .6).
You'll find the Supervisor Logs under Settings > System > Logs
You'll find the Reboot Host under Settings > System > Hardware (3-dot menu)
..and so on.

[viscid spade]

@modest lake Thank you! One last noob question; how to install the user/community add-ons which are not in the standard list?

[high token]

@viscid spade If you are only seeing the Ofiicial Addons and not the Community Addons you need to enable advanced mode (it's under your profile settings --> bottom right on the circle)

[haughty egret]

is host networking non-functional in docker for mac?

[little swift]

can we still add the usb option for config and authorized keys somewhere?was on the supervisor panel before.. (to shell in with 22222)

[zealous galleon]

hi everyone, i have been run HA on an Rpi and recently had to upgrade to an SSD, i lost all my backups and now during the initial install process i get an error message stating that the supervisor failed to get update and the system is unhealthy...... any clues as to why??
this is the exact message in the install logs
22-06-12 09:10:21 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.jobs] ResolutionFixup.run_autofix ' blocked from execution, system is not healthy

[viscid spade]

Thx

[storm sluice]

it runs in a vm, so if you use host networking it will open the listening sockets on that vms ip address.Pretty sure thats not accessible by anything external to your host. so host networking is kinda useless on docker for osx/windows

[little swift]

was looking for this https://developers.home-assistant.io/docs/operating-system/debugging/?_highlight=22222#home-assistant-operating-system wasnt in my memory like that.. but still possible 😉

[haughty egret]

Thanks I had it responding on ip:8123 but might have been bridged mode

I've given up on host mode on mac and think I'm going to migrate to a machine running k3OS for better docker support

[mild tide]

I installed home assistant „the easy way“ (HAOS) on my rpi4. How do I get to run a fsck on the next boot? touch /forcefsck won’t let me ( read-only file system )

[storm sluice]

no idea, cant you just run the fsck while its booted?

[pale drum]

Hi all, not sure if this is the right channel for getting help with the installation

sorry, installation for the nest integration into hass where I'm using duckdns and ssl to get public access to my instance

[high token]

If you look at the top of each channel (or right panel on mobile) each channel has a topic describing what it's for

this one is for installing home assistant

[mild tide]

no, just says that it‘s mounted

[storm sluice]

what are you trying to fsck? / is a squashfs image you should be able to run fsck on /mnt/data and /mnt/overlay but why do you even want to do that?

do you see any evidence of filesystem problems?

[mild tide]

Lots of
EXT4-fs error (device sda8): ___ext4_find_entry:1612: inode #131493: comm python3: reading directory block 0

and weird behaviour of home assistant from time to time

[humble mirage]

Running on an SD card?

[dire hawk]

hi @high token, @storm sluice and @wide wind
Sorry for the global ping, but i wanted to inform you that the docker bug is a closed bug from January : https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/issues/1706
A little help to Open this back up with a comment would be very nice :)

[humble mirage]

That issue is open

[dire hawk]

did i miss a thing ? https://www.imgpaste.net/image/K15qrs

[dire hawk]

OOOOOKay ... login off made it open ...
I'm not going to question that

i'll edit the comment in that way

[high token]

https://tenor.com/view/muse-simulation-theory-visuals-we-are-caged-in-simulation-algorithm-gif-25240794

[dire hawk]

damn ! loggin back in it's still closed !

[humble mirage]

It's you

[dire hawk]

no, i refuse that, i will say thank's microsoft !

anyhow, i'll update my comment

uploading picture is a reserved right, right ? i had to find a hosting website, but you didn't have to, that's not me being dumb ?

[humble mirage]

Correct

The advantage of being a mod

The downside is having to deal with the tsunamis of spammers

[dire hawk]

and how many rtfm ...

i am part of those . . . 😳

[mild tide]

No, an SSD 😦
Worked for 3 months without problems, though

[royal galleon]

Hey all, my home assistant on my raspberry pi I think died and I want to restore from a backup. I have a bunch of .tar files on google drive from using the auto backup integration but I want to make sure I restore correctly.

Right now, I can't access the home assistant dashboard from the network, and alot of the guides i have seen use the dashboard to restore.

What is the "correct" way to restore a backup by just copy/pasting the google drive backup onto the sd card? I hope to not lose any of my settings with my backups and I want to do it correctly.

[dire hawk]

you would need to reinstall home assistant fully first, the button to upload a backup is on the first setup page when you start home assistant for the first time

[royal galleon]

Thanks! Just wanted to make sure there wasnt an easier/safer way first before formatting the corrupted sd card

[humble mirage]

Be warned, if the SD card is corrupt it may also be failing

Reformatting it may get it up and running, for a few hours/days/weeks before it becomes worse

[royal galleon]

Thanks for the heads up! If it turns out to be terminally corrupted, should I get a new sd card or a new external ssd? (or is it just personal preference?)

[dire hawk]

ssd

100%

[humble mirage]

SSD > any form of SD, but there are better and worse SD options

Industrial SD cards should last many years

SD Cards for high endurance - like those designed for dashcams - should last years

Everything else is a roll of the dice

[dire hawk]

should ... my "high endurance" didn't like the mysql db ...

5 month

[humble mirage]

Nice...

[royal galleon]

thanks for the help/advice!

[dire hawk]

good thing, i got to test sandisk warranty system, and they are nice

[junior trout]

Hi guys

Could someone help me please? I have installed HA onto an SSD and used a SD card to install the boot from USB onto it.
I power the PI up but cannot connect to it through http://homeassistant.local:8123 or http://homeassistant:8123 I have also looked under my devices in my router and cant seem to find it. Any suggestions?

[humble mirage]

Have you connected a keyboard and monitor to it?

[junior trout]

No just power and ethernet

[humble mirage]

That'll allow you to see what's going on

[mild tide]

i just cloned my previous sd card onto the ssd, booted directly from the ssd, no sd card installed, with no problems since 3 months, until today.
Is it actually recommended to run the os on an SD and only move the data disk to an ssd instead?

[humble mirage]

Pure SSD is fine

At least, if you have enough power for it, and it's not a crappy one

[little swift]

in my virtual HA environment in virtual box, Id like the Hostname to change to ha-virtual and click save. restart, and I still see homeassistant.local:8123 as the address...

should I do something extra?

[junior trout]

its just a green screen

Question, once I have inserted the sd into the PI with the USB boot file on it can I then remove that?

[humble mirage]

If you connected the screen after you powered on the Pi you'll need to power cycle it

[junior trout]

I took the SD out and now I have a wall of text with just the SSD in

[little swift]

ha host reboot did the trick..

[high token]

is the text moving? 👀

[junior trout]

can i send a picture?

[high token]

imgur

[abstract hearth]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

Command '.images' was invoked by: Thanasis

[junior trout]

can we use another image hosting platform it isnt sending me my verification code

[junior trout]

https://imgur.com/a/IujnILW

That is the text I had

[high token]

Hmm I would just try reflashing the SSD and see if same thing happens again

[junior trout]

So I do not need to keep the SD card in?

[high token]

No the SD card is a one time thing

you used it for the bootloader right?

not that you flashed the SD with HAOS

[junior trout]

I installed HA on SSD and then Installed USB boot on the SD card

[high token]

ok then yeah the usb boot sd card is only needed once

you did that first though right?

without the ssd

[junior trout]

I used the PI imager to install both

no I done it with the ssd in aswell

[high token]

it probably was fine though or it wouldn't have been seeing HAOS stuff on the screen (even if with errors)

[junior trout]

You think I should just install both again and put SD in first then turn off and ut SSD in

[high token]

I'm not sure how recent the image for HAOS is in Pi imager so try instead using Balena Etcher like mentioned here https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi#write-the-image-to-your-boot-media

You can try again with the SD it won't hurt if you want

either it will do nothing cos it already did what it needed to or it will do it this time

it should only take a few seconds

PI imager is fine actually

I just saw on mine it's OS 8.2

[junior trout]

ok thanks

I will have a go at this tomorrow thank you

[high token]

If it still doesn't work I would go with HAOS on the SD card then use datadisk to move HA into the SSD

[flat moth]

feeling a bit silly as I cannot find a way to shutdown HASS gracefully on a RPI. Is there a power off button in the UI somewhere?

[grand pivot]

-> System -> Hardware -> 3-dot

[cyan chasm]

Soo on my old install all of a sudden I was unable to access the add ons menu. I wiped and on a fresh install fully updated I still can’t access the add on menu. Everything else works. Running on rpi4 4gig.

Full log says error main thread frontend.js.latest.202206010 :0;0 script error.

[little swift]

so I moved to a Mini PC with HAOS install without too many issues. and yes it is faster, but tbh I am somewhat underwhelmed. it has taken off about 2% of my processor and still takes over 2 minutes on startup (was 4). Is this what can be expected from a 8GB/128 eMMC pc?

since I am on the move, I mght want to up the ante a bit more. should I add an SSD and move the DB there (had that on the RPi4 too), or should I up the processor to get most out of HAOS. (now celeron J4125)

[woeful violet]

Heya,
having a slight issue with trying to update my Home Assistant Operating System.
Am stuck on version 7.6 trying to update to 8.2, everytime i click the install button it does some work, restart my pi and then tells me i'm still very much on v7.6. Was there an upgrade path that needs to be followed?

[latent plank]

evening folks. I'm trying to install home assistant as a docker container on my synology nas

I have other containers running fine, but whenever I try to download the home assistant image it gets most of the way through and then fails with no useful error message

it spools up to 367 MB downloaded, sits there for a few minutes and then fails

I'm attempting to use "homeassistant/home-assistant:stable

[agile garnet]

Hi i'm totally new to Home assistant, and want to try it out. I saw somewhere that i could install hass on an old android phone. (samsung galaxy j5 2016) just to see if hass is something for me. But i havent bin able to install it or find i guide that works. please help

[humble mirage]

There's no such option, at least not supported

Some people have hacked it, but it's a really terrible idea

[agile garnet]

why so?

[humble mirage]

Because:

1. Mobile phones aren't servers
2. Mobile phones use WiFi, which isn't great for a server
3. See (1), no really

[agile garnet]

okay, can i then use a pc (just to try it not a final platform)

[humble mirage]

Yup, lots of people use those for their install

[agile garnet]

thanks i will try to fin a guide the

[humble mirage]

Try the official ones, on the HA site 😉

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation

[agile garnet]

thanks

it says download the appropriate image, im not really familiar with VM's witch is best to choose

[humble mirage]

Well, what OS are you using?

[agile garnet]

windows 11

[humble mirage]

VirtualBox is probably the easiest option (at least, it's free)

[agile garnet]

okay i will try

https://www.virtualbox.org/ is this the right site?

[humble mirage]

Yes

[agile garnet]

windows host?

[humble mirage]

Yes

The host is running VirtualBox

The guest is the VM inside it

[viral marlin]

if youo have a computer running HA OS is there a way to create a new user and not yeet all the data and already saved connected things like lamps and plugs and such?

cause i replugged my old HA but it doesnt take any password or username

[humble mirage]

https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/locked_out/

[viral marlin]

i read this documentation yesterday, it does not tell me if yes or no i loose the data of all the already connencted things

[humble mirage]

You won't lose anything, it's just about resetting a password, not the whole computer

It doesn't mention anything about losing data since it'd make no sense to mention that

[viral marlin]

so i need to disconect the thing, get into the drive with my normal computer, yeet the files that they specfiy on the site, and then when i remake an account and the connected devieces will still be on it?

so if you start a new onboarding process, do the already connected devices still connect or do they all need to be reconnected?

[humble mirage]

What?

To reset a user’s password, via console

[viral marlin]

i cannot do such a thing

[humble mirage]

Why not?

[viral marlin]

'If you know the username, but not the password and you can access the Home Assistant console and use the command below:'

i dont know the username

[humble mirage]

Good news, you can find it out

[viral marlin]

how please tell me

[humble mirage]

Look in .storage/auth_provider.homeassistant

[viral marlin]

so i need to connect the storage of my HA machine to a computer? or is there a way to look into it directly via console?

[humble mirage]

You can do all this in the console

[viral marlin]

so i should type the file location in the console?

or is there a specific command i should use?

[humble mirage]

The file location, which is somewhere under /usr/share/ I think

[viral marlin]

If i type it into the console it gives me an error

[abstract hearth]

@viral marlin Please don't say I have an error or describe an error. Share the whole actual error message so we can help you.

Command '.error' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[humble mirage]

You can find the config folder at #installation-archived message

[viral marlin]

Ha > /usr/share/
Error: unknown command "/usr/share/" for "ha"

[humble mirage]

cd /mnt/data/supervisor/homeassistant/.storage/

Basic Linux stuff 😉

[viral marlin]

Yeah sorry i dont know

Im just trying to get it work :(

[humble mirage]

Type the command I provided

Then you can cat auth_provider.homeassistant to see what's in the file

[viral marlin]

It tell me cd is an unknown command

[humble mirage]

Ah, type login

[viral marlin]

It changed from ha> to a white hashtag

[humble mirage]

Now try those other commands

[viral marlin]

I did this one, it gave no output so i think it worked

[humble mirage]

Now the other one

[viral marlin]

I did. Euhhh

I think something is wrong

The password is like 25 characters

And the username is admin

[humble mirage]

Well the password is not in clear

Now you know the username, and can reset the password

[viral marlin]

Oh of course!

Thank you a lot!!!!

Euh, if i try the command given on the site it says
/bin/ash/: auth not found

[humble mirage]

You need to get back to the ha prompt

logout probably

[viral marlin]

Logout gives me the same answer

[high token]

or put ha in front

it's exit

[viral marlin]

Exit worked !!!

[agile garnet]

im now makeing the vm. Using the HA guide but i have trouble with step 3

[humble mirage]

What trouble?

[agile garnet]

it cant find the existing virtual hard disk file

[humble mirage]

Did you download and unzip it?

[agile garnet]

yes i downloaded it from the top of the page

[humble mirage]

And unzip it?

[agile garnet]

yes